The Gays and Tennis, Part 185 - To Wimbledon

Gracias Y Grazie

WHAT A CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH THIS HAS BECOME!!!

Vamos, Carlitos!!

Sinner is deteriorating

Alcaraz breaks!

[quote] Sinner is deteriorating

That sometimes happens to me mid match.

Eet hurts so mush!

R5, and finally gets a drop shot over the net!

oh god, Sinner is cooked

I was certain, after the first two sets and a few games into the third, that Sinner would win in three.

Quelqu'un a dit "coked"?

Sure, Christine Marie R10

This is the game Sinner's got to have.

Carlos' team must have promised him a wild night in Sitges if he wins.

R14 = She-Hulk

Carlitos now throwing in cunty drop shots.

strategic would be my choice of words ....

Cunting is a strategy

A sign of life from Sinner!

sir, we have a pulse

I'm looking forward to seeing these two play for years. Dare I say it: are they the new Big Two?

I love Juan-Carlos' 'you idiot' stares

OH. MY. GOD. 2.0.

I'm glad Carlitos doesn't pick his ass.

Some dumb asses are chanting "U-S-A".

Carlitos is NOT currently serving for the match

Concentrate, not dissipate.

[quote] Carlitos is NOT currently serving for the match

I told you THEN so I don't have to tell you NOW.

But he is NOW... as the match clock hits 5 hours

0-30...

uh oh

15-40

This is insane. I can't sit down.

Awesome match.

OH. MY. GOD. 3.0.

I'm supposed to be prepping for a job interview tomorrow. Fuck you, fellas!

Longest men's final in Roland Garros history

It ain't over til the fat lady sings!!!

[quote] It ain't over til the fat lady sings!!!

I'm not in the doubles.

Marion Bartoli is waiting in the wings.

Carlitos' mother is beautiful.

I can't get over how great this final is.

I mean, they both want to win this.

30-30

40-40

UNREAL.

I'm so happy I was able to elevate these two players to this level by allowing them to be in my presence.

Recency bias perhaps, but this has to be the greatest tennis match I've ever seen.

Sinner he is clay specialist?

Right there with you, r47.

I would not have said that during the first or second sets. I thought Sinner was going to win in three.

Both are in God-mode

Has either of them had a bathroom break??????

R51 = Citybus

Alcaraz has entered God+ mode!

Sinner's shitting the bed!

Practicing my scales!

"Mi mi mi mi mi mi...."

I'm almost crying!

And to think Alcaraz was a point away from losing the match on his own serve.

r56 MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A final FOR THE AGES

r57 THREE points away

OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDD

WHAT A WAY TO WIN

That is not the outcome I wanted, but it was undeniably a hell of a match. I’m always rooting for Sinner knowing all the adversity he must have faced growing up white in Italy.

[quote] I'm almost crying!

He had tears in his eyes on one of his serves at around 7-0.

Legendary. One of the greatest matches ever.

Is Sinner good on grass? Could he win Wimbledon? I hope so.

¡Gracias!

Number 2s were BOTH victorious at RG!! How great is that! What a final; both of them!

R65 name all the former champions in the Wimbledon draw, and ye shall know thy answer.

Grand Slam?

Fifth major at 22.

Denny’s?

VICTORY BULGE!

While we have noted Alcaraz's black neck mole previously, we have not often commented on Sinner's large, red cheek mole.

The best match I had seen was Wawrinka defeating Djokovic in the 2014 Aus Open, but that was better. I've never seen two more determined players.

To come back from 2 sets down, 3 match points down... Alcaraz is an absolute beast.

[quote] To come back from 2 sets down, 3 match points down

And to keep on trying and raising one's level - many would not have done that against anyone much less against Sinner.

R73 You're very boring.

Aryna, now this is what you're supposed to say when you lose.

Bartoli is huge

Jannik Noah!

Thankfully Nike let Carlos get out of that clown shirt for the trophy presentation

Brown won!

Mauresmo is quite good looking for a big ol' lez.

Carlitos manspreading proudly sitting on the podium with the trophy. This is why they love you!

When Wimbleton start?

Barfing into the trophy?

Ca ne se fait pas, ici!

Amazing match

Impressive, R70.

The Librarian: Return to King Solomon's Mines

Is this where we talk about cinch Championships? Oops - HSBC Championships.

How old is Sinner?

Ajá claro, Petey/R88--at my exact age you had 3 Slams vs. my 5.

23, r91.

He is 23.

Damn, he looks somewhat older.

Thanks, R94.

19 to go, young Catholic heathen.

I thought the term was Papist??

How much dinero do they get?

"I'm looking forward to seeing these two play for years. Dare I say it: are they the new Big Two?"

TNT has dubbed them the "New Two." I don't suspect it will catch on.

€2,550,000.

Sinner's mom looks like post-children Kim Clijsters.

Since when is TNT Sports a thing??

😯

Gracias, R100.

Since this year for the French Open. NBC lost their rights last year.

We are over 1/6th of the way to a new thread.

umm since the NBA started airing all their important games there decades ago

100 is one-sixth of 600

Funny isn’t it? At the U.S. Open, they make a big deal of the check presentation.

Says a lot about the respective cultures.

What in the world happened to Patrick McEnroe‘s hair?

It was a big no, but in ways that seem avoidable. A comb may have helped.

Skinner too scrawny…he need more definition, and better core.

R109 his hair went Trumpy!

Sinner fascinates me; he has no personality but wants it so bad. So the tennis has a quality that he doesn't appear to have. I know this is typical for athletes, but there's such a stark contrast to Carlos, where the tennis and the person are more aligned--or expressed, perhaps.

Sampras was sort of the same way -amazing game, little personality, but unlike Sinner I don't think he "want[ed] it so bad."

R112, Alcaraz, though, brings Sinner out of his shell. Normally he’s “consistent” in the worst sense: you’re never surprised. Against Alcaraz he can come up with some very creative and startling shots.

Alcaraz is just lucky that Sinner didn’t lose to Djokovic because Djokovic would likely have beaten him.

Good point r112

Compared to a lot of topsy-turvy finals…you sensed the mood shifts strictly by the shots…the “emotional” part of the game was nowhere on the same level of display for such a big match. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Sampras was a killer and all he cared about was winning Wimbledon and being number one in the world.

that's fascinating, R116, and well put. We sensed the mood of the match by the shots, and less on the expression of the players - is that what you meant? Carlos had some Vamoses, but typically very little from Sinner.

Couldn't do it without the drugs lololol

well, mentally Carlos held it together...he hasn't in the past.

I hope carlos can use some of that 2.9 million dollars check to get a dental cleaning...

Sinner doesn't have a big personality on court and never cups his ear or shouts a huge "come on" or anything. But he's not THAT dead. He certainly reacts at big moments - even if it just his little racket shake or fist to his box.

He’s really really, nearly dead—no Wessonality.

I’m definitely team Carlos but I have to say, it’s hard to ever feel bad about a loss to Sinner.

He is ridiculously talented and has clearly worked his ass off. And he is polite and humble.

Neither speaks a lick of French—do better.

[quote]S. Williams

Je veux remercier Jéhovah Dieu

What did i say???

Told you Carlos and Coco would win it all.

R56. I was on the verge of tears and had to check myself

[quote]Is this where we talk about cinch Championships? Oops - HSBC Championships

Queen's Club in London now has the Andy Murray Arena

I did not recognize Mme Henin at the tropy presentation.

What's the next tournament

How come Hingis never gets to hand out any trophies?

It seems like Chris and Martina have monopolized this duty.

's-Hertogenbosch (Rosmalen Grass Court Championships) and Stuttgart (BOSS Open) start tomorrow.

[quote]I did not recognize Mme Henin at the tropy presentation

Justine recently turned 43

[quote] How come Hingis never gets to hand out any trophies?

FKA Hingis has transitioned and is now actively competing in the ATP as Holger Rune. Don't deadname him.

Justine looks much more feminine as she ages. The open stance cock out walk always gave me lez vibrations.

I was CONVINCED Sinner had it in the bag.

Never give up, folks!

American Colton Smith, who lost the final at the inaugural ATP Birmingham challenger today against Virtanen, looks very trashy.

Colton Smith:

[quote] God is good

He was just quoting Serena, R139.

Smith's opponent, Virtanen, is in contrast quite cute.

Is Colton MAGA?

Seems ironic that Sinner lost in that fashion after his inclusion in the tournament was a controversial decision. It's like the tennis gods got their own back.

Horrible Hingis presenting? Might as well throw Nastase, Kyrgios and Spirlea into that spectacle.

Hingis won the Australian Open, the US Open and Wimbledon so she should be asked on occasion to present the trophies at the Aus and US Opens but so far she has been denied this honor.

[quote] and Spirlea

Yannick Noah is a very handsome older man. He looks much better than when he was young. I didn't like his hair when he played.

Irina was mean cold bitch and had the hard Euro look to back up it up

"Seems ironic that Sinner lost in that fashion after his inclusion in the tournament was a controversial decision. It's like the tennis gods got their own back."

But it wasn't controversial. The drug enforcement body made its decision, he served his ban, and he returned and had a ranking high enough for direct entry. Some people don't like it, but it's really not broadly seen as controversial.

"Yannick Noah is a very handsome older man. He looks much better than when he was young. I didn't like his hair when he played. "

Matters which version of young. He was quite handsome/hot in some incarnations.

Sinner looked absolutley shell shocked.

I always believed both Coco and Carlos would win even when they were down in their respective matches.

Never give up

I think that the crowd played a big role here. They absolutely insisted that Alcaraz keep fighting.

Hingis was and is a noxious cunt. I can't imagine anyone wants her presenting anything.

[quote] I think that the crowd played a big role here.

Crowd?

Mauresmo is more than half a man these days.

Mauresmo has aged beautifully

R150 When the decision was made to allow him to play this tournament and serve such a short ban there was a lot of commentary and in the words of Djokovic "The majority of the players feel like there is favouritism happening. It seems like it appears that you can almost affect the outcome if you are a top player, if you have access to the top lawyers and whatnot."

Nick Kyrgios said "So WADA come out and say it would be a 1-2 year ban. Obviously Sinner's team have done everything in their power to just go ahead and take a 3 month ban, no titles lost, no prize money lost. Guilty or not? Sad day for tennis. Fairness in tennis does not exist." In a separate post, he added: "I know a lot of players that are feeling the same way at the moment. "So he was found guilty - hence the ban. But didn't get stripped of anything and can play the French. Sad sad sad day."

She-Hulk trying to makes amends for her post-match comments. See Instagram stories.

I love Il Gingio. That is all.

R112 There's a reason they're calling him a robot. He has no personality and his game is boring too. Yes, he plays amazing tennis, but it's almost too perfect. Alcaraz's game has more flare. It's more fun to watch. That's my opinion anyway.

The funniest thing I saw was when a Sinner fan commented that Alcaraz plays more exciting tennis.

Carlos plays with passion and displays it on court. You'll never see the crowd chanting Jannik's name like they did for Carlos yesterday. He doesn't build a connection with them.

Carlos is great for the popularity of tennis as a sport because he's genuine, What You See Is What You Get, quite exuberant, incredibly athletic, knows how to work a crowd, astonishingly gracious in defeat and, hum, bulging. Where "bulging" is the operative word around here...

Sinner is none of those things and he does come off quite robotic out there. But the greatest rivalries in tennis have always been based on opposite characters (Martina the Fire Vs. Chris the Ice maiden for instance), and I think that the opposition between these two will help tennis popularity with most people relating to and supporting the more human one, Carlos, against the flat-affect one with his unrivaled level of tennis skills.

Men's tennis is very lucky to have had the Big 4, the Big 3, the Big 2, a couple of years of transition and what now looks like a new Big 2. I couldn't say so much about women's tennis, even though, yes, Ben & Courtney, it really keeps us all year long on the edge of our seat!

R165. Having watched tennis for many years, there are very few tennis players as charming and endearing as Carlos (Guga, Dimitrov, LaMonf...) but no one combines that exciting tennis with wins. The Big three, on court, were rarely smiling, they were down to business. Carlos is something totally different that we have never seen. I think his first USOPEN was won on personality alone. He charmed us all. And, yes, he is stacked and that bulge is mesmerizing. If they can get all that hair, that face, teeth working soon....world beware.

R163 whats so funny about that?

[quote] Yes, he plays amazing tennis, but it's almost too perfect.

They said the same about Fed.

He had more sizzle to his Swiss steak.

Sinner needs some work—he’s too northern Italian for his own good right now. A bit of Wienerschnitzel wouldn’t hurt. :)

I posted this in the wrong (abandoned) thread:

At ‘s-Hertogenbosch V. Cootermetova defeats sister P. Cootermetova 6-3 6-3.

Great match, great sportsmen, huge young talents, equal to the Big 3.. Sinner is a quiet and very humble guy. Carlos is also very humble and nice- and glows. His game and racket talent when in top gear is awesome. I like them both- but can’t help liking Carlito more.

sinner is a cheater...what's to like?

Sinner's post match comments made me really like him. Sure, he's not the most gregarious guy. But he's soft spoken, funny, clearly intelligent and humble.

I tend to like those qualities.

He didn’t speak fluent Italian until he was 12–English is his third language.

Iga is #7 in WTA rankings.....love to see it

Sab better watch out Coco is coming for that #1 spot at 8k+ points and counting

Quinwen says she is only 22?? Nope, Don't beleive it

And the mighty pao pao is 29?!?! She doesnt look a day over 25

Is this where we talk aboit the Rosmalen Grass Court Championships?

Mark Lajal from Estonia. His hair is freaky, but he’s otherwise cute.

More Lajal hair.

With hair covered (thank goodness).

Nope

R17 Thanks so much for sharing your thoughtful and nuanced position with all of us.

^ R172

His teeth are fine. Please no more identical veneer smiles. Everyone needs to stop messing with their real teeth it’s crazy. Also there’s no such thing as a “third language” it’s first language and all others are second.

He was fluent only in German until adolescence. He then became fluent in Italian. Only later did he become proficient in English. By my count, that's a first, second and— then—third language.

R187 your first language leaned is your first language. And all languages that come after are secondary to that, second languages. You can speak more than two obviously but they’re all described as second languages.

She-Hulk is now in Mykonos based on her Instagram stories.

R188 in your head, yes. Where else?

r187, so what? many of these european players speak at least 3 languages.

Sinner's dad was too busy with work to go...

"My dad was not here because he was working today," Sinner, who hails from a German-speaking Alpine region in northern Italy told a press conference. "Nothing of our success changes in the family." His father works as a chef in the mountains.

Sinner had a full box for support, with his team of coaches as well as his mother, who was seen welling up and being extremely nervous as her son wasted three match points in the fourth set. "It was nice to see my mom here. And yeah, I guess my dad, he was watching on TV - if he finished work. It's okay."

R192 don’t bitch at me talk to to the pendant at r186

r191^^

[quote] who hails from a German-speaking Alpine region in northern Italy

Is Italian the second language in the region?

R193 was pendant on purpose? If so 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 on the trolling.

Pedant

R195 Ja!

So you tagged the wrong person and made an unfortunate typo. Oof.

Sparami!

Sinner's fourth language is the language of love. He is Italian after all!

Big Sab will win Wimbledon

Somebody got to make the crepes!

J. Garland lost at 's-Hertogenbosch. Was it the pills?

Post RG heroics, Carlitos letting it all hang out in Ibiza.

No girls allowed...

EE-bee-thah

From my point of view, nobody should be in a relationship before age 25. Hang tough and live your life in Ibiza Carlitos! He's probably chilling on a yacht with his bros through the day and heading on to the island in the evening. Best way to do Ibiza.

Do we think Carlitos is a) gay and living it up, b) gay and afraid to act on it, c) straight and just avoiding complications, d) straight and fucking everything that moves, e) something else? I watched the Netflix documentaries and the only woman in sight was his mama, and otherwise surrounded by handsome, fit men...

R208 I think he is sexually fluid, mostly straight but will fuck around with men from time to time. Basically a Kinsey 1 or 2. Seems like he has daddy issues, he seems very into his coach Ferrero.

Look at this hug with Ferrero. They seem very close. I know Ferrero is straight, but it might be Carlos has an unrequited crush, or Ferrero is a Kinsey 1 too.

ee-BEE-tha

se dice así

Actually, the island natives pronounce it "Ee-vee-sa"

R211, see R206.

Actually, it appears that "Eivissa' is pronounced ay-VEES-uh in Catalan.

R214, see r212.

Silly Americans so confused about sexuality that a picture of a guy hanging out with his friends can't be interpreted as anything but homosexuality.

wow, a lot of wishful thinking...lol

he doesn't ping at all to me.

Carlos is probably straight...

But most guys his age are fucking like rabbits, he's must have whores on the side.

"Silly Americans so confused about sexuality that a picture of a guy hanging out with his friends can't be interpreted as anything but homosexuality."

I don't think the majority of posters are really interpreting it that way. It's more fantasy fan fic than really thinking he's actually gay.

Orgullo Español!

(Spanish (Gay) Pride!)

R215, it's ay, not ee

ay-Vee-suh

Catlos is not gay . The 2 Carloses are not having an affair. Stop with the nonsense

ee-bee-thah

Eye-Beef-Uh

"LOOK AT ME YOU LITTLE PIG!"

Fabio is letting it all out during his farewell tour.

Is Fabio related to my, how do you say, husband?

Fabio has to be mentally ill. How does 2015 US Open winner Flavia put up with him?

The sex must be amazing.

Novax must be disappointed that wasn't a player in likely what will be one of the forever referenced matches in recent tennis history; the Alcaraz/Sinner Roland Garros 2025 Final. Even as the runner-up, Sinner, along with Champion Alcaraz, treated both their peers and spectators to an unprecedented match level not soon forgotten. Even if Novax gets an easy draw and eeks out another major, I say his career has sailed.

At 38, with 24 grand slams and maybe one more plus Olympic gold, does it really matter if his career has sailed at this point, r228? It's still probably the most successful tennis career ever.

Novak has been in many stunning matches himself and is also gracious to the crowds and his competitors.

Stop pretending like the Olympics means anything for tennis.

[quote] is also gracious to the crowds and his competitors.

Evidence of the existence of a parallel universe.

[quote] Stop pretending like the Olympics means anything for tennis.

Puig!

[quote] Novak has been in many stunning matches himself and is also gracious to the crowds and his competitors!

[quote] Novak has been in many stunning matches and is also ingratiating himself to the crowds and his competitors.

It's almost as though the last few posters have never watched Novak play.

Oh, ok then, r230. Let's forget Novak's Olympic gold. How about his 24 grand slams?

Hi R236, his 24 Slams make him the greatest player of all time, and by some distance.

Our new pineapple-coiffed Estonian friend, Mark Lajal, displaying some quite remarkable quads on his way to victory over our other (and much nicer) Serbian friend, Laslo Djere, in s'Hertogenbosch,

Dear Novak, come back and talk about your GOATitude after you’ve won two calendar slams.

Lajal reminds me of Akbar and Jeff.

Regardless of where Novaxx falls finally in the GOAT mix, his Jekyll is exceeded by his Hyde.

I thought there was some seriously interesting body language during the post-match Alcaraz/Ferrero clinch. Watch how Carlos goes to put his hand on JC's head then lets his arm drop awkwardly, as if he became aware of the intimacy of the gesture and bailed on it. It made me think that Carlos knows there's speculation about their closeness, regardless of whether or not anything is going on. (I mean, I doubt they're doing it but I certainly don't mind the mental picture.)

Sorry the clinch is mid-clip but the other options I found were from the opposite angle where the move is less visible.

ZsaZsa through to the Quarters in 's-Hertogenbosch, after a good win over A-Pop.

In Suttgart, German 17-year old Wunderkind , Justin Engel, steamrolls over Michelsen in straight sets - his forehand got a 9.9 rating in the second set. Fonseca who?

Do you want the good news or the bad news?

I think that whoever said that Jannik's mom was Kim Clijsters is on to something. I think her comeback 2,0 failed because she hated the idea of having to play concurrently and was therefore unable to attend her son's matches. Of course being fat as a cow didn't help either. Jannik had better watch his diet or he's soon going to pork out like Mutti. I'm sure he calls her Moooh-tti now.

The Sinners' fans are full of vitriol. I was not expecting that. If you go to Italian tennis tweeter, the vitriol levels are through the roof. Almost as deranged as Novaxx fans at his worst.

R245 The Sinner fans have always been annoying.

[quote]Regardless of where Novaxx falls finally in the GOAT mix, his Jekyll is exceeded by his Hyde.

This.

No-one bit.

The Bad News: Lovely Lore has pulled out of Queens next week - precautionary: to ensure he's fully recovered from the injury he picked up in the RG semi against Carlitos.

The Good News: Comely Camilo takes his spot in the draw.

[quote]Lore has pulled out of Queen's next week

Defending champion Tommy has as well

Poor Tommy - that wipes out all the points he gained from RG. I blame the PP.

Why is the girlfriend in the shot?

R251 Even Kristi Noem's goons couldn't have prevented that PP from being in the shot...

How bad is your gaydar to think that Carlos and his coach are having an affair?!?!?

Novaxx had it coming.

I think he is taking it all in stride though. Acknowledges that father time is coming for him

Quinwen #1 seed at the London Open survives a scare. Can't stand her.

Sinner will win Wimbledon this year. Sablenka too.

Are people honestly questioning Novak's GOAT-hood? I NEVER liked him and always rooted against him. I WISH Nadal or Fed or someone else could be GOAT. But, like it or not, Novak is the GOAT by multiple measures.

[quote] I WISH Nadal or Fed or someone else could be GOAT.

I am GOAT.

You're not Margaret. The only reason you're even in the conversation is that people were so freaked out when Serena, a black woman, got close, and SOME people (though far from all) promoted Serena as GOAT. Pre-Serena, you were always put below Graf, Evert, and Navratilova. And you're STILL below them AND Serena. Plus, you're a homophobic cunt.

Giron of the Great Ass giving the public what it wants.

R260 that’s some major revisionist history.

Medvedev just served three double faults in a tie-break to crash out to The Yeti (Opelka). Dude is seriously falling apart!

Danii’s career is pretty much done.

Up next: ZsaZsa vs. the Pineapple

R266 Blond-on-blond violence. I'm up for it!

Each will have their own opinion of GOAT, based on values and metrics that are important to them. Its obvious that Djokovic recognized his own deficiencies in some of the softer metrics, which likely contributed to his maniacal fight to 'win more titles than the other two'. Okay, you got that metric, but not everyone is going to use that specific criteria to decide for themselves who there GOAT is. I do have some empathy for Djokovic in that he he wants to have all the metrics, including the Federer/Nadal adoration, but for the most part hasn't, so far, been able to make that work out. perhaps it will come on his retirement though.

My cooter lost, y’all!

Djokovic lost the thread way before he was in contention for GOAT. It's not rocket science. If you want the same kind of adulation given to Nadal and Federer, then don't act like an asylum escapee on court and in your megalomaniacal quest for Slams, don't try to weasel your way out of things like, oh....I don't know...the law?

Look what LTA posted lol. First pic!

ZsaZasa tops The Pineapple in The Battle of The Blonds

Does Bottle Blond count?

Camilo needs to mount me and experiment any way he pleases but only if he promises to be a tender, thoughtful and gentle lover.

Our favourite maybe-gay dubs pairing - Doumbia/Reboul - JUST CANNOT KEEP THEIR SHIRTS ON!

Zsa Zsa's kit needs more fur and diamonds.