Patti LuPone drags EVERYTHING, Part 2: You’ll Think It Strange When She Tries To Explain How She Feels

Has Christine Ebersole commented?

(Even though Patti did not mention her)

Team LuPone All Day Every Day

Very disappointed in how Audra responded. You liked a post stating that Lupone was a racist because she criticized a show for being too loud, and yet you want to feign innocence because you don't know why she's upset with you? Give me a break.

You could have used this as a platform to call out Lupone's bad behavior, and the power imbalances between stars and minor players (Which Lupone has been infamous for). Instead, it's some poor man's Mariah Carey "I don't know her" routine.

Lupone said that her beef with Audra happened long before the HK drama.

How would the Facts of Life Girls contend with Patti LuPone?

For that matter, would she allow them to live long enough to try?

Well clearly something persuaded Audra to like Kelcia's post. Rather than pretend you don't know, use that platform to air her out. You don't have to sink to Patti's level.

Yeah, we know Patti is a bitch, but throwing rocks and hiding hands doesn't make you great either.

I hope Nicole wins the Tony.

r6, if Kecia had simply posted "Patti is a cunt," and Audra had liked that, it would be legitimate for you and Patti to go after Audra for that. But Audra may just have liked the idea that African-American culture historically gets in trouble for being too loud.

I am not surprised that Patti reacted the way that she did, because she's a narcissist and takes everything not 100% supportive and worshipful as a slight. But I am not convinced Audra meant that "like" as a direct attack on Patti, nor that we get anywhere by assuming it was.

On the other thread is this:

Nathan Lane:

"Uh, there's only one Queen of Broadway, baby...and, it's not the bitch who can't fill seats at the Majestic..."

Is that creative license or did Lane really wade in? It seems odd given paths could potentially cross on the Gilded Age set, or at least, cast and crew party circuit. Am I Rosing?

If there is indeed "only one Queen of Broadway," then we all know it's neither Patti nor Audra!

[quote]But Audra may just have liked the idea that African-American culture historically gets in trouble for being too loud.

Then she could have said that, and not even brought up Lupone. She would have been publicly supporting Kecia as well. Instead, she indirectly shades Kecia as well by ignoring the points she made in her Instagram post.

[quote]you and Patti

I don't think any of them come off looking good in this. So try again.

Kecia Lewis is a cowardly cunt who found her one moment to be noticed in a national level by falsely accusing someone of racism. That is one dangerous piece of shit and she should be shunned and avoided at all costs.

Broadway people didn’t get the memo that the cancelling/witch burning of 2021 - all accusations, no “trial” -no longer plays in 2025. It may be fashionable at their snarky cocktail parties but the rest of the world couldn’t care less.

At least with LuPone, who is a tedious, angry, ingrate, you know where you stand. She’s no phony. Sneaky scum like Kecia Lewis weaponize social media to prop up their basic, amateur narcissism and procure corrupted attention.

She is truly disgusting.

Kesha is on Broadway now?

To R599 from the previous thread:

In case you didn’t know dementia/Alzheimers can be hereditary. It is indeed true about DK. And it’s pretty fucking sad.

She's not dishwater. She runs hot, she runs cold. Nothing in between

You know who’s pissed?

Betty Lynn just finished a well received run at Joe’s pub and NOBODY had brought that up yet!

Kecia Lewis is a very angry, damaged person to race bait someone for a comment about the show next door hearing your music through a shared wall. Many Broadway shows over the years have voiced this complaint about their neighbors.

Nobody but unserious bandwagon types are listening to Kecia Lewis.

I'm not.

Love the people at All That Chat getting themselves worked up because Patti BROKE PROTOCOL by intervening in something that the stage managers should have sorted out.

A sound bleed is a serious problem for the audience (and performers) and her show’s stage manager either didn’t step up or wasn’t able to resolve it with their counterpart.

If Patti had connections, why shouldn’t she use them for the good of the production?

Someone like Kecsa who responds to a noise complaint with accusations of "racial microaggressions" is not a serious person.

Patti sho’ is ugly !

Has it really been eleven years since Audra hung out with Patti? I could've sworn the two performed together at some benefit concert a few years ago.

She's going to be on And Just Like That in the next few weeks, too. Timing is interesting. LOL

[Quote] Nobody but unserious bandwagon types are listening to Kecia Lewis.

[Quote] I'm not.

Are you more of a serious bandwagon type?

I like the cut of her jib.

I really would like Sara Ramirez to opine on Patti and this interview around the time that AJLT drops.

I can see Sara’s quote or Instagram post now, bitching about the racist undertones of adding a bigoted old white woman to the cast while Che Diaz dies offscreen, flattened by a garbage truck.

And I can imagine Patti’s colorful reply.

And I c

R24 died.

Can I have r24's things?

I am sorry! I hit post on my phone before I finished editing my typos!

How can anyone defend Patti? She’s a horrifically ugly person inside and out. She has constant grievances and is nasty all the time towards people who do nothing to her. She’s a deeply disturbed individual. That’s not someone we should applaud or be on her team. JFC,

[quote] She's going to be on And Just Like That in the next few weeks

I predict a very long soliloquy about microaggressions, ending with Patti slapping the shit out of Cynthia Nixon.

And really, what more can you ask for?

LOVE HER

I have no doubt many of you love her. I can read.

[quote] Has it really been eleven years since Audra hung out with Patti? I could've sworn the two performed together at some benefit concert a few years ago.

That would be fabulous!!! If they'd just performed together 3 years ago, and Audra was like "I haven't seen that old cow in 10 years, so go ask her...'

R28 You should defend anyone falsely accused of something as vile as racism from a desperate, thirsty, exploitative, mendacious fame whore like Kecia Lewis.

It’s not okay to let Patti fry just because she’s such a miserable cunt the rest of the time. The mere fact you can say anything about someone on social media and it’s just accepted as truth should frighten anyone.

Hardy HAR, r22!

Kecia would feel right at home in 1692 Salem, Massachusetts, huh?

Audra responded exactly right. She wasn’t going to keep this fire burning from her end. She’s like “I haven’t a clue what Patti is talking about. Ask her!”

Perfection.

Audra handled it perfectly.

R15 really? She lost her voice some time ago.

Lupone’s actual quote when complaining about the noise next door was “Nigga, please. Turn that shit down!”

The real problem was Lupone’s putting down many colleagues during this interview. Kecia isn’t a Bway veteran because she doesn’t have as many shows. Audra isn’t a friend and a nasty “no comment” on her performance as Rose. Glenn Close is a liar. And on and on and on.

We all know Lupone can be a negative Nelly, but it was all captured in this one interview. She’s obviously has such low self esteem that she needs to put everyone else down to build herself up. It came across as unnecessarily cruel

R28=Bill Smitrovitch

I looked at my Google News feed earlier and was delighted to see several items about Audra "breaking her silence" regarding the Patti interview. Celebrities don't respond to things anymore, they break their silence. What silence? It's been three or four days. Soon the headlines will be "Jeopardy Contestant Breaks His Silence Over Gettysburg Address Question".

Putting aside her cuntitude, is there any validity to Patti's views on Glenn? Asking seriously for anyone in the know. The industry has never given her an Oscar. I've always presumed that was just bad luck, but maybe something more is going on?

[quote]Audra may just have liked the idea that African-American culture historically gets in trouble for being too loud.

What is the basis for this ridiculous statement? I have never heard African-American music specifically be charged as being especially loud, and there are many other types of music -- acid rock, heavy metal, etc. -- that ARE notoriously loud but are not at all associated with Black people. As I've written elsewhere: Does anyone seriously think Patti LuPone would not have complained about the noise if the show playing next door to hers was THE WHO'S TOMMY, which wasn't a Black show by any stretch of the definition?

[quote] Does anyone seriously think Patti LuPone would not have complained about the noise if the show playing next door to hers was THE WHO'S TOMMY, which wasn't a Black show by any stretch of the definition?

Obviously, you have no idea who Patti is or what she does.

Let's be the Patti-Kecia Feud:

I'm the white gay fauxgressives reflexively (and with great virtue) jumping through all the hoops to agree with anything a self-victimized black performer decrees against white people!

[quote]She likes being abrasive and controversial and saying what she feels. I find it refreshing.

Yes, because so few people are brave enough to express their true feelings these days.

More people need to express their feelings and call out the bullshit.

The most telling bit is right at the end when she surveys all the beauty of Central Park in the spring and projects loneliness onto the scene. Sad.

She’s …. not a good person.

[quote]Does anyone seriously think Patti LuPone would not have complained about the noise if the show playing next door to hers was THE WHO'S TOMMY, which wasn't a Black show by any stretch of the definition?

[quote]Obviously, you have no idea who Patti is or what she does.

And I have no idea what the hell you mean by that. Please explain.

P.S. In case my syntax was above your reading level, what I meant is that I have no doubt Patti would have complained about the noise bleed if the show playing next to hers had been, for example, THE WHO'S TOMMY. And since that show can't be viewed as a "Black show" by any stretch of the imagination, the fact that she would have complained about the noise level from that show in the same way she complained about the noise level of HELL'S KITCHEN proves to me, and to anyone with at least half a brain, that her complaint had NOTHING to do with race.

Agreed, R48. How very sad and unfortunate that Patti Lu has turned into such a bitter, rage-filled person despite her great success in her field and the fact that she has so many fans.

[QUOTE] Agreed, [R48]. How very sad and unfortunate that Patti Lu has turned into such a bitter, rage-filled person despite her great success in her field and the fact that she has so TRANS.

Fixed it for you.

Is there a joke in there somewhere, R52?

I keep remembering a lyric from Forbidden Broadway's take on LuPone's Rose: "I'll plough through / and succeed / like a bulldozer picking up speed".

At least half the time she does in 100% on purpose. She's got a schtick, she knows it, she gives an interview and enjoys the fallout. It's quirky but she knows what she's doing.

Maybe Kecia and Tonya can bring their version of "Roommates" back to the Booth in the Fall. Let's see how that sells. Especially with that damn noise from next door.

I´d be in the front row with Joan Crawfords knitting needles for that!

I had no idea Patti had a husband and a child.

Lucky them.

[quote]I had no idea Patti had a husband and a child.

Neither does she :-)

(I know, that was REALLY nasty, but hopefully at least somewhat funny.)

Damnit. I should have named this thread "Patti LuPone drags EVERYTHING, Part 2: Patti Meltdown"

[quote]How can anyone defend Patti? She’s a horrifically ugly person inside and out. She has constant grievances and is nasty all the time towards people who do nothing to her.

All qualifications to be the patron saint of Datalounge.

I heard she enjoys the movies of Zendaya and Timothy Chalamet!

R42 she is very much disliked #pretentiousbitch

LOL - of COURSE this topic will result in multiple 600+ post threads. Love it when you see it.

OP of thread 2 - I love the title "You'll think it strange when she tries to explain how she feels".

Nice. Pardon the interruption, as you were...

Over 500 Broadway Artists Release Open Letter Reprimanding Patti LuPone The letter also called the American Theatre Wing and Broadway League to disinvite LuPone from the Tony Awards.

CUNNNNNNNNNTS!

499 nobodies and Courtney Love signed that letter?

R65 not only that, they want her banned from all public functions until she completes anti bias and racial counseling programs!

Broadway? BWAAAAH. What a joke.

[quote]The letter, which was provided to Playbill, addresses the Broadway League, the American Theatre Wing, and "the greater theatre community." It characterizes LuPone's comments about Lewis and McDonald as "degrading and misogynistic—it is a blatant act of racialized disrespect. It constitutes bullying. It constitutes harassment. It is emblematic of the microaggressions and abuse that people in this industry have endured for far too long, too often without consequence."

[quote]The letter also says that LuPone's comments are part of a pattern in the theatre industry, which has "a persistent failure to hold people accountable for violent, disrespectful, or harmful behavior—especially when they are powerful or well-known."

[quote]It then calls for the League and the Wing to disinvite LuPone (and anyone else "who use[s] their platform to publicly demean, harass, or disparage fellow artists") from industry events, including the Tony Awards. And it also asks those disinvited individuals, if they want to continue to engage with the community, to complete "comprehensive anti-bias or restorative justice programs." The letter also asks for "clear, transparent policies for addressing harmful behavior."

I will say, Patti kept talking for two years about being done with Broadway. Seems she got her wish!

Not quite, R70. This time, it sounds like Broadway is done with HER.

You cannot go after your colleagues in the press like this. She’s been bitching about Glenn Close SINCE THE 1990s! That’s one thing.

This time, she dismissed two women of color (in addition to Glenn, AGAIN), calling Kecia a bitch and dismissing Audra, both personally and professionally.

She’s been campaigning HARD for Nicole to win the Tony and now we know why, in part.

I think she’s also scared to death that someone else will win a Tony for playing Rose. She’s so profoundly insecure — she only goes after other women. And only those which leave her feeling threatened.

Hello and goodbye! She’s just unemployed herself.

Oh boy. She’s DONE.

Patti LuPone blew Richard Speck!

She pushed Loretta Swit down a flight of stairs!

I saw Goody LuPone doing witchcraft!

Patti Lupone breaks into Old Folks Homes, yanks off the resident's soiled diapers in the dead of night and eats the contents while laughing maniacally!

WOW. Everyone and their brother signed that-

Mia Farrow

Cole Escola

Diedre Hall

Jonathan Lipnicki

Pia Zadora.

Patti is FUCKED

I thought I was a cunt!!!

R75 - can you just sign anyone's name though? How the fuck is Courtney Love on that list?

Meh - sounds like some outraged looking-for-an-insult goodie two shoes made that letter.

Patti will be fine. It may give her career a boost. She's been shady for years. It's her thing.

I think it's final, Patti should not run again.

Read the room R77.

I did see Audra on with Gail and Gail asked about Patti like she was talking about a breast tumor and Audra played it down with the you have to ask Patti hand-off.

Interesting to read the Playbill article to see how the outrage has shifted from the original grievance between Lewis and Patti (where it’s by no means clearcut that Lewis was on firm ground racializing the situation) to Patti insulting Audra, who is certainly a big enough star herself to handle the situation.

Maybe because I’m old, I see this as a tempest in a teapot and the idea of this pretentious letter is simply ridiculous. Nor have I ever heard of the majority of the signees —certainly a lot of well known Broadway names haven’t signed it yet.

And the dumbest thing the Tony hierarchy could do would be to disinvite Patti — on the contrary they should do everything in their power to get her to show up, begowned and bedizened. The ratings for the Tonys have been on life support for years and if people thought there’d be a hair-pulling match on the red carpet or a chorus of boos from the audience a la “Dangerous Liaisons,” the ratings would double.

At last, Broadway is fun again with everyone taking sides and stabbing backs just like the good old days!

How would today's Broadway community ever survive Ethel Merman?!

R78 Patti should have campaigned in the dance belt! It was the first of many mistakes with her campaign!

This is the only time that I've ever seen Patti be nice and likable.

The only thing that could make me watch the Tonys is if P. Lupone is there.

Her delivery was poor and ill advised but bascially she said:

"I'm no longer friends with Audra" (ok. We don't all have to be pals)

and

"Kecia Lewis is a bitch" in response to Kecia Lewis being a cunt.

So, she should have called Kecia Lewis a cunt?

If the tampon fits...

I love it when celebrities talk shit about each other, and it doesn't happen often enough. Most of them can't stand each other.

Oh, she did call her that. The doors were closed.

She's batshit, and entertaining as hell.

[quote]The ratings for the Tonys have been on life support for years and if people thought there’d be a hair-pulling match on the red carpet or a chorus of boos from the audience a la “Dangerous Liaisons,” the ratings would double.

Anyone who gives a shit about this situation was already going to watch the Tonys.

I like my celebrities angry and crazy, thank you very much.

R93 - EXACTLY! I didn't give a fig about Britney until she went koo-koo. Same with Whitney.

Nothing wrong with an elderly pot-stirrer. Patti's not a beautiful woman and has had to fight for every role because of it.

Nobody is being hurt by her - if you can take a little criticism, then performance isn't for you.

r94 One person who can't take a little criticism is Patti

[quote]This time, she dismissed two women of color ...

Here's the sole reason for the outrage.

There are maybe 5 people I've heard of among the signatories of the I HATE PATTI letter.

I'd stand with Patti - BUT SHE KICKED ME IN THE CUNTBONE!

There's no fucking way Deidre Hall signed that letter. She doesn't even comment when her costars drop dead.

Why I Won't Sign the Open Public Letter to Patti Lupone...

r28 if you’re not embarrassed by that hysterical post, you should be. Grow up.

Because of this I will ALWAYS give Patti a pass.

[quote] Then she could have said that, and not even brought up Lupone.

She did not "bring up Lupone"--that's ridiculous. She simply liked Lewis's post that said a lot of things. She could have been responding to any number of things in that post.

She was not the one who did anything offensive-- simply liking a post is not an offensive act unless sou (like Patti) are berserkly oversensitive. Otherwise McDonald has stayed out of this.

[quote]Over 500 Broadway Artists Release Open Letter Reprimanding Patti LuPone...

Aha, the Horseshoe Principle!

Look at the Free Speech far-left seeking to punish someone for saying the show next door was loud and that the casting of the current revival of GYPSY is....a bit much!

BOIL THAT DUST SPECK! BOIL THAT DUST SPECK! BOIL THAT DUST SPECK!

[quote]At last, Broadway is fun again with everyone taking sides and stabbing backs just like the good old days!

It was all anyone was talking about last night at the Cub Room!

r105 Except those aren't the reasons for the letter.

No, they've created so much to blather about, but the things I wrote were the start of it.

Nobody is forced to like any performer or performance they don't appreciate EVEN IF THE PERSON IS BLACK! It's just not very important, even when it's AUDRA!

Actors can be so dumb. The signing of the letter is 100% an exercise in virtue signaling bordering on artistic fascism.

r108 You call actors dumb and yet you apparently don't even understand what the letter is about.

It's specifically about Patti's comments in the interview. You want to try and pretend it's about something else because you know the point made in the letter is perfectly rational.

R109, but the letter is asking that Patti be uninvited to the Tony Awards because of her comments, which sure seems like censorhip to me.

“ Look at the Free Speech far-left”

I can’t because there isn’t such a thing. Also, there’s no Free Speech far-right for what it’s worth.

I am confused about something. In the playbill article, it says Kecia was responding to a video that made the rounds of social media with Patti calling Hells Kitchen “.loud,” I don’t recall reading before about a video, just that Patti had stepped in and contacted the theater about the issue. Did I miss a development in this tortured story?

r110 It's not censorship at all. No one is preventing her from saying what she wants. Attending an awards show is not a right. The fact that your words may result in consequences should not be a new lesson for any adult.

r112 Yes. Someone recorded a video of Patti signing autographs, and one person asked her to sign a Hells Kitchen Playbill, and Patti said she wouldn't sign it because Hells Kitchen was "too loud".

People in this thread have skipped over this part in their recaps. She was right to refuse to sign the Playbill, as it's generally accepted as bad form for an actor to sign a Playbill for a show they aren't in. But her giving the "too loud" comment as her reasoning was what caused a lot of the issues and was specifically cited by Lewis.

First few seconds of this TikTok has the video, she actually says "they're too loud"

Fucking christ- What the fuck was all that caterwauling from those Hells Kitchen clips- that one chick sounded like a tomcat in heat being crushed by a safe!

R114 Thank you. I still think the resulting outrage is overblown. She was obviously referring to that one show. Yes, she probably should have skipped the New Yorker interview.

The letter, which was written on behalf of the Broadway Theater Community on Friday, May 30, chastised LuPone, 76, for the flippant remarks she made about her fellow stage icons in an interview with The New Yorker published on Monday.

Other than Courtney Love's, not a single name on that letter was recognizable to me.

And Courtney Love is hardly a name on Broadway to be reckoned with.

Did Cynthia Erivo sign the letter? This topic sounds right up her alley.

[quote] “We will no longer tolerate violence – verbal, emotional, or physical – against artists within our own community,” the letter said.

VIOLENCE!!!

Not responding when asked what she thought of Audra's performance is TRUE VIOLENCE!!!

The TONY producers must be begging Cynthia Orivo not to get involved. BEGGING HER!

But I'm sure they ARE TOO LOUD!

All musicals are deafening these days...and who cares! It is still a massive leap from "too loud" to racism and microaggressions and a letter signed by 500 loons!

Courtney Love: “Patti was so tacky”

Courtney Love: *hurls compact at Madonna*

I have worked with the stage manager of THE ROOMMATE and he is a total wuss. I blame all of this on him.

Ms Erivo is currently staying mum as she mounts her Oscar campaign where she will need to fend off a gaggle of heavyweight white bitches like Buckley, Lawrence, Roberts, Stone and that bitch from Sentimental Value stealing her thunder.

I’d love to hear Courtney’s “Rose’s Turn.”

[quote]r28 How can anyone defend Patti? She’s a horrifically ugly person inside and out. She has constant grievances and is nasty all the time towards people who do nothing to her. She’s a deeply disturbed individual. That’s not someone we should applaud or be on her team. JFC,

Patti Lupone is a [italic]strong womyn.

[quote]r51 How very sad and unfortunate that Patti Lu has turned into such a bitter, rage-filled person despite her great success in her field and the fact that she has so many fans.

"Rage filled" to me brings to mind someone trashing dressing rooms, etc. Patti sounds brusque - but I don't hear rage, really. Even if she's yelling at pedestrians through a taxicab window with a bullhorn, there's an air of comedy to that.

She's jaded, certainly. Outsoken. But she's a 76-year-old New Yorker!

R129, are you new? LuPone's memoir includes a vivid account of her trashing her SUNSET BOULEVARD dressing room (and/or her BAKER'S WIFE one; it's been a while).

One doesn't stew over half-century-old grudges (Kevin Kline! EVITA!) without rage.

Patti is a great singer, decent actress but an awful person, and eventually the later has overcome the former. Why the New Yorker chose to print an article where she TRASHES Kevin Kline, Glenn Close, Audra McDonald, some hockey player (whom they called for comment? -- wtf ) and Kecia Lewis (who I saw decades ago go on for Jennifer in DREAMGIRLS) is my question. There was no point to the article other than "here's some time with a nasty person." There was so insight, no discussion with the son or husband. No discussion with Mia Farrow, Jack O'Brien or anyone who has directed her since Hal fucking Prince. What was the point?

Hmmmm.....now what could the point be of a media outlet posting/printing a gossipy, bitchy, controversial juicy interview with a celebrity who trash talks other celebrities?

THINKING....THINKING....C'MON BRAIN, WORK!!!! WHAT COULD THE REASON BE!!!!???!!!??WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT!?!??!?

And just like that, a breathless, sanctimonious letter filled with the worst sort of virtue signaling cant has made Patti sympathetic again.

You can't buy and she must be sent to re-education camp before she can come to our parties.

I thought this was ebbing.

Just waiting to see what Frank DiLella has to say about all this!

If the Tony producers were smart, they would invite her to attend the awards. The viewership would definitely go up, as viewers would tune in to see if there will be punches thrown.

In this case what does "disinvite" from the Tony Award mean, since Patti is not a nominee?

If the Tony producers were smart, they'd invite her to host the awards... with Cynthia Erivo.

And give her a lotta drinks before hand.

LuPone is a Tony voter, R137. She's made a point of broadcasting her raves about SUNSET BOULEVARD and the wildly overrated OPERATION MINCEMEAT.

LuPone is a Tony voter! Honestly, that's news to me, and I think it's pretty outrageous. From how many categories should she recuse herself from voting due to conflict of interest?

R137: Someone in the theater gossip thread insists that LuPone was asked to be a presenter at the Tonys this year, and that the offer has since been quietly rescinded.

Patti would make a big deal of that, if true, r141.

[quote]Audra responded exactly right. She wasn’t going to keep this fire burning from her end. She’s like “I haven’t a clue what Patti is talking about. Ask her!” Perfection.

Not perfection, but well-orchestrated from her PR team. Do you really think she's going to say something to jeopardize her chances of winning her seventh Tony ? You really think she's going to say something else which may prove controversial to Tony voters, and lose their votes ???

No, R143, I'm sure the other poster did NOT think Audra would have done or said anything like that. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

Audra never would have dragged Audra!

R140 doesn’t seem to understand conflict of interest.

Voters are allowed preferences.

I think I understand conflict of interest very well, R146. I assume that, despite the fact she quite Equity, Patti LuPone was eligible for a Tony nomination in the two-hander play THE ROOMMATE. She didn't receive a nomination, but her co-star did. If you don't think that places Patti in a conflict-of-interest situation, can you please explain?

Patti, oh, Patti.

[quote] Audra responded and the clip is on instagram. She basically says she hasn’t seen Patti in over 10 years, has no idea what rift happened, and told Gayle King to ask Patti!

Gayle King!?! Oprah's understudy.

Patti LuPone is acting like Donald Trump -- I can say whatever I want, to whomever I want, however false, nasty or mean, and that's my right because I am ME!!!! We're all done with these types, and I'm loving that people are standing up and saying you can't PUBLICLY call an esteemed Tony Winning actress "A Bitch" and not have a reaction and consequences. She is behaving more nastily that all the people she claims have harmed her - Kevin Kline, ALW, a hockey player, Audra. She's a narcissist and she won't go away unless the press stops falling for it. Same with Trump.

I think she’s tremendous

Audra is waging a news cycle war against Patti. There is no way that media can keep this up over weeks.

A true feud requires pushback. Audra is going to win the Tony and hopefully chide the LOCAL media for false reporting.

The best revenge is winning.

I had the pleasure of being thrown out of Pattis' birthday party (by her) in NYC c. 1982. It was at the Underground and Ms. LuPone was everything at the time with Evita.

She was insane.

It was a huge mistake for Patti to call Kecia a bitch, BUT we should always remember that this conflict started with a totally unjustified charge of racism made by Kecia against Patti.

If Patti had an ounce of control over her emotions, which she clearly does not, she could have very calmly explained to the New Yorker interviewer why the racism charge was totally unfounded, and I personally think it would have been fine for her state that she would like Kecia to apologize for her rash remarks....but in descending even below Kecia's level by calling her a "bitch," Patti effectively turned the tables of sympathy against herself.

R147, you truly don’t understand conflict of interest. At all.

Sorry, Patti haters, but this entire ridiculously overblown idiocy was brought about by Kecia making it a racial issue where it didn't exist, yet, she is being made out to be the victim. The irony is that the " letter" decries bullying and even states:

[quote] This is not about differing opinions. It is about public actions that demean, intimidate, or perpetuate violence against fellow artists. It is about the normalization of harm in an industry that too often protects prestige over people."

And yet, isn't that exactly what the signers are attempting to do to her? And, is there anyone in the Broadway community with more " prestige" than Audra McDonald? Does she need " protecting"?

Then explain it to me as if I were a child, R155. I have explained why there IS a conflict of interest, but you have given no explanation for why you think otherwise, so until you do, it's going to remain obvious to all that I'm the one who understands and you do not.

To be fair, Patti said: "Don’t call yourself a vet, bitch.” (like in a drag-queen-y way)

She did not say Kecia Lewis is a race-baiting bitch, which she would have had every right to say.

So the outspoken race-baiting black bitch is trying to convince everyone that she wasn’t being too loud? Because that’s believable.

So the outspoken [italic]and stupid[italic] race-baiting black bitch is trying to convince everyone that she wasn’t being too loud? Because that’s believable.

So glad that the racist Black Theatre Mafia has decided free speech isn't acceptable when it comes to noting that sometimes people are cunts, while attempting to silence and "disappear" someone who did not behave in a racist way.

I'm biracial. I joined the NAACP in 1984. My family had to move from state to state because of miscegenation laws, until they started passing. But I know the hatred in the confused values and always-defensive posturing that is the usual black bullshit, just like I know it from MAGA.

LuPone said nothing to merit this disgraceful sign of racism and needlessly circling the wagons.

Where is the outrage about substantial issues theatre and the nation are facing? Because 76-year-old Patti who can't find work to please her ain't one of them. Shitheads.

[quote]The Simmering Sounds of Alicia Keys’ “Hell’s Kitchen”

I'm not sure what the problem is with Lupone calling her a 'bitch' ?

As been said on 'The View' many times over the past 28 seasons - mostly by Joy Behar and Whoopi in serious conversations - 'It is OKAY for one woman to call refer to another woman a 'bitch'. Perfectly acceptable. It is not OKAY for a man to call or refer to a woman a 'Bitch'. Behar and the other hosts all have agreed that 'Women own the word 'Bitch' and can toss it around and refer to each other as 'a bitch' however they like'. (And yes, Joy frequently uses that word in conversation on the show). I remember last season when they had a whole conversation about lyrics in music these days and some of them said it was not OK for male rappers to call women 'bitches' in their songs, but it was OK if a female rapper did it (I think Whoopi was the odd one out and said it was OK for male rappers, too, since it was part of their culture).

So why is it wrong now with Lupone using it to refer to another woman ?

If LuPone’s “too loud” comment was about Gareth Owen’s notoriously overpowering sound mixing--which has drawn complaints on shows like (MJ and & Juliet--and if even Alicia Keys reportedly raised similar concerns, isn’t it more reasonable to view this as a technical critique rather than a microaggression?

As others here have said, LuPone has criticized Glenn and other white performers more harshly, yet only her predictable and impulsive slights against two black performers provoked a petition to ban her from the Tonys--slights which had nothing whatsoever to do with race

Impact matters to some degree, but so do context, intent, and proportionality. Instead of fostering dialogue, Lewis posted a public TikTok shaming--a platform that rewards outrage, not nuance.

Whatever happened to the assumption of good faith or the willingness to consider ambiguity?

r163 Christ, this actually needs to be explained to you? Just because Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg have that opinion it doesn't mean everyone else has to.

R165 If these women have been saying this on national TV for 28 years, and have gotten zero blowback from any other female over this, then I would guess many women agree with them. So the question remains - why was it so wrong for Lupone to use the word ?

It's largely because these bougie activists view EVERYTHING through the filter of systemic power structures--so it's not one woman calling another a bitch; it's an older white woman calling a young black woman a bitch, which, apparently, is qualitatively distinct.

*younger black woman

r166 You truly are an idiot.

The letter is awful, and comes across as ridiculous posturing.

But that does not absolve Patti of being an asshole. She went too far this time in the New Yorker profile--she's not going to come back easily from this, even if the days of complete cancellation the letter seems to evoke are long past.

[quote] it's an older white woman calling a young black woman a bitch,

Kecia Lewis is 62. While that's younger than Patti, that's not my definition of "young."

A large swathe of both Broadway and Black TikTok/X could really use a group basic course in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy.

The instinct to leap from “someone said something I didn’t like” to “this is a racialized attack on both my personhood and culture” is textbook cognitive distortion: personalization, mindreading and black-and-white thinking.

[quote] Kecia Lewis is 62. While that's younger than Patti, that's not my definition of "young."

My bad. But still the power structures comment stands

R167 Thanks for your answer. It addresses the question I had, and you gave a reasonable, thoughtful answer. (Unlike R165, who is continuously fighting an uphill battle with comprehension and communication. )

I think this has gone a little too far now.

First of all, it's been turned into some kind of race thing. It's not; Kecia did not call Patti a racist. She mentioned racial microaggressions, but that's not calling Patti a racist. Secondly, I don't believe for one second that Patti is racist; she hates everybody equally. She probably should not have been so melodramatic in the Audra stuff, but even that wasn't race-based. Audra is beloved in the industry, I think most people are just upset that the wicked stepmother attacked Cinderella, more so than anything about race.

This has turned into let's pay Patti back for all the shit she's flung over the years and we're going to hide behind race stuff to give us cover.

Audra is playing this just right. I'm not sure if Kecia has made a statement, but I'm not even sure she expected all this.

[QUOTE] Audra is playing this just right. I'm not sure if Kecia has made a statement, but I'm not even sure she expected all this.

I’m sure that Kecia is workshopping a response as we speak.

[quote]Kecia did not call Patti a racist. She mentioned racial microaggressions, but that's not calling Patti a racist.

It's not exactly the same, but it's close enough. To suggest that there's an element of racism in a person's criticism of someone else, when that's completely untrue, is a vile thing to do.

As I've written elsewhere, I was amazed that Patti made no public response to Kecia's remarks at the time they occurred, but I figured Patti's handlers had begged her not to do so, and that she listened to them for once. Interesting that she chose this moment to finally speak up in that interview, and it's too bad for her that she did it in such a typically childish and, yes, bitchy way.

It's actually not widely considered okay for women to call each other bitches in anger, despite the claims of those infallible oracles Whoopi and Joy.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, Patti was using "bitch" in the gay slang sense (since she was dishing the dirt and being sassy with a gay male reporter) rather than in a strictly angry sense, but that isn't going to be clear to most people who read the interview. It was a real tactical error--she should have known better than to say that. It's what the headlines have dwelled on in covering this scandal much more than the original noise complaint (which i think most people think was understandable on Patti's part) or for not praising Audra's performance.

[quote]Sorry, Patti haters, but this entire ridiculously overblown idiocy was brought about by Kecia making it a racial issue where it didn't exist....

And NO ONE was addressing Kecia Lewis! No one at all! She just had to jump in and start a character assassination to make it about herself! That's called being a bitch!

I assume the reason that Patti didn't address Kecia's comments via Insta when they occurred was because Patti was still preforming in The Roommate and the show's PR team didn't allow it or strongly she suggested/pleaded she not reply. By the time of the New Yorker interview she was a free agent.

Saddest thing about Patti to me is she is a woman in an apparently long and happy marriage with a home and and a grown son for whom she can be very proud. Wouldn't that be enough to give her a sense of priorities and balance? She behaves like a lonely old spinster.

[quote]She mentioned racial microaggressions, but that's not calling Patti a racist.

Yes, dear. It is exactly that.

So, you're saying a woman who is married and a child should be happy, r180, whereas you believe an unmarried woman will not be.

[quote]It then calls for the League and the Wing to disinvite LuPone (and anyone else "who use[s] their platform to publicly demean, harass, or disparage fellow artists") from industry events, including the Tony Awards. And it also asks those disinvited individuals, if they want to continue to engage with the community, to complete "comprehensive anti-bias or restorative justice programs."

Communists and their blackballing and re-education camps. 🙄

[quote]Lupone’s actual quote when complaining about the noise next door was “Nigga, please. Turn that shit down!”

Can't stop laughing - I can hear her voice saying this !

[quote]This has turned into let's pay Patti back for all the shit she's flung over the years and we're going to hide behind race stuff to give us cover.

Which doesn't deal with the real problems. About how many stars, whether in the theater, movie or tv, can often be tyrants to people "beneath them" because of their status in their respective industry. About how those power dynamics often create toxic, hostile work environments. If the issue is Patti's behavior throughout the years, then let that stand and deal with it. To hide it being accusations of racism that really don't stand up is making a mockery true racism and a mockery of Lupone's abuse to others throughout the decades.

It's saying something that many industry bigwigs aren't signing that letter. I don't know whether they're anticipating what you've described and waiting it out because they've been guilty of similar "diva" behavior or what.

[quote]Audra is playing this just right.

It's easy to do when no one has asked her why she liked Lewis Instagram post or had she witnessed any behavior from Lupone when they had worked together throughout the years.

It's clear she wants to win a Tony, but if there are real issues that need to be addressed, then it might be time for someone to actually speak out and say them. Doesn't have to be Audra, but it should be someone. But Audra certainly has enough respect in the industry to do so. She wouldn't have lost any of it had she said something.

If the producers of the Tonys were smart, they would keep Lupone away from the ceremony and have Christine Pedi fill in for her, in full 'Patti drag'.

My husband's entire family has declared me to be a bitch, when all I am trying to do is live in privacy once I scam a billion dollars in reparations.

After this story, I am planning my triumphal return to Broadway ( walked there once.) where I can spread the story of my victimhood at the hands of the white devils.

My mother calls me her 'fat bitch' all the time. I don't give a fuck what my bitch of a mother calls me.

[quote]when no one has asked her why she liked Lewis Instagram post

It's a question she can't answer candidly. Audra has had to deal with comments that she is not supportive enough of other black performers. I think she's been working to change that perception. She liked a social media post, which, I'm sure, she hoped was going to be enough without putting herself too far out there.

Who's Meghan?

[quote]It's a question she can't answer candidly. Audra has had to deal with comments that she is not supportive enough of other black performers

Well if Patti's shit is being brought out into the open, why isn't that?

They were too loud! Can’t they just talk like normal people?

[quote]"She’s a true friend,” Farrow says of her brassy costar. “She’s somebody you can really, really count on. She’s a very loyal person, and truthful and wonderful in every way. I love Patti's company. I love her as an individual. Apart from her magnificent talent, she's loads of fun. She's extremely loyal, and, as far as I know, she cannot tell a lie. I've known her for a very long time. We met through Steve Sondheim, who took me to one of her New Year's parties, I guess 30 years ago. We live not far from each other, perhaps 20 minutes. She's a blessing in every way. And, of course, I admire her work, but as a friend, she's invaluable. That's Patti."

Mia in a new "Vanity Fair" interview.

[quote]Well if Patti's shit is being brought out into the open, why isn't that?

Because this isn't about Audra, Patti made this a thing. All she had to do was give a simple "no comment," and none of this would be happening right now.

[quote]R153 I had the pleasure of being thrown out of Pattis' birthday party (by her) in NYC c. 1982.

What did you DO to be ejected??

Or were you a crashed she detected?

[quote] "She’s a true friend,” Farrow says of her brassy costar. “She’s somebody you can really, really count on. She’s a very loyal person, and truthful and wonderful in every way. I love Patti's company. I love her as an individual. Apart from her magnificent talent, she's loads of fun. She's extremely loyal, and, as far as I know, she cannot tell a lie."

"Which is unlike some FORMER BOYFRIENDS and some UNGRATEFUL DAUGHTERS I could name!" Farrow sourly added.

Patti surrendered and apologized. Her statement is instagram

SURRENDER, PATTI

For as long as I have worked in the theatre, I have spoken my mind and never apologized. That is changing today.

I am deeply sorry for the words I used during The New Yorker interview, particularly about Kecia Lewis, which were demeaning and disrespectful. I regret my flippant and emotional responses during this interview, which were inappropriate, and I am devastated that my behavior has offended others and has run counter to what we hold dear in this community. I hope to have the chance to speak to Audra and Kecia personally to offer my sincere apologies.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything that was written in the open letter shared yesterday. From middle school drama clubs to professional stages, theatre has always been about lifting each other up and welcoming those who feel they don't belong anywhere else. I made a mistake, I take full responsibility for it, and I am committed to making this right. Our entire theatre community deserves better.

Patti LuPone

But I standby everything I said about Glenn, Madonna, and those kids on the Zamboni.

Now can this be over?

It would also be nice if Kecia publicly apologized for taking to social media and baselessly accusing Patti of racism, but we know that will probably never happen.

That's not real.

[quote]I hope to have the chance to speak to Audra and Kecia personally to offer my sincere apologies.

That dream is not going to come true, baby! You're through!

If Audra is so supportive of Kecia's letter, then put Kecia as the replacement in Gypsy. Let's see how well those tickets sell since she's apparently on the same level as Audra and Patti.

Only logical solution now. Support your girl Audra. Ball is in your court now.

I am sorry she caved. It was inappropriate but that's Patti LuPone. The whole thing wouldn't have gotten out of control if it wasn't for stupid social media. The internet is not making us better, just angrier.

R201 perfect apology. Glad to see it from her.

I’m waiting for mine, now.

But you're used to waiting, aren't you, dear?

This apology …. I’m getting HARD!!

💦

Where should I PayPal you?

[quote]Because this isn't about Audra, Patti made this a thing.

No, Kecia made this a 'thing' back in November with her social media post. Patti made sure she kept it from 'being a thing' by working behind the scenes, and taking care of it quietly, out of the public eye.

What the fuck kind of name is "Kecia"??

She should have stopped after the first paragraph. That would have been sufficient.

She didn't need to even acknowledge the existence of the letter, let alone be mamby-pamby "I wholeheartedly believe in everything" about it.

[quote]Well if Patti's shit is being brought out into the open, why isn't that?

Guess!

Some people must NEVER BE QUESTIONED, or we can get 500 signatures on a screed against you too!

[quote]Now can this be over?

NO!

It must NEVER be over!

hahahahahahahahahahaha

[quote]It would also be nice if Kecia publicly apologized for taking to social media and baselessly accusing Patti of racism, but we know that will probably never happen.

"Probably" is doing A LOT of work!

From The Independent FB page: You’d think with all this brouhaha, we were witnessing the Second Coming, or at the very least, a well-stocked delicatessen having a fire sale on pastrami. But no, it’s merely the grand dame of Broadway, the one and only Patti LuPone, issuing a mea culpa that, frankly, has the emotional heft of a damp dishrag and the sincerity of a politician’s promise to actually do something. One reads, with a certain cerebral discomfiture, this report from The Independent – a publication, I might add, that typically concerns itself with the existential angst of the common housefly or the price of artisanal sourdough. And here they are, breathlessly recounting the latest fracas in the hallowed, nay, hollowed halls of theatricality. LuPone, it appears, has been caught in flagrante delicto – not with a chorus boy, mind you, that would be far too interesting – but with her very own vociferations. She’s been slinging words like so many rogue sequins at a particularly ill-attended drag show, and now, mirabile dictu, she’s had to unfurl the white flag of contrition. Five hundred Broadway professionals! Good heavens, one imagines a phalanx of Thesbians, all in various states of dramatic pique, penning a letter with the collective fury of a thousand understudies who’ve just had their coffee spilt. Did they use scented stationery? Were there glitter pens involved? These are the salient questions, people, not whether someone called someone else a "flibbertigibbet" or a "nincompoop" – terms, I might add, that could easily be applied to half the denizens of Parliament, and indeed, often are. And now, the apology. Oh, the apology! It’s less a genuine act of penance and more a theatrical flourish, like a particularly bad mime stuck in an invisible box of profound regret. One envisions LuPone, in a boudoir of exquisite déshabillé, perhaps contemplating the subtle nuances of a particularly challenging soufflé, when she is suddenly struck by the horrifying realization that she has, in fact, been less than collegial. It’s a genuine travesty of justice, a veritable cul-de-sac of decorum, that one must now apologize for the sheer, unadulterated joy of telling someone they’re about as useful as a chocolate teapot in a hurricane. It reminds one, rather acutely, of that time Marjorie from Little Britain decided to take up competitive eating, only to find her digestive system was more attuned to the delicate effusions of a solitary digestive biscuit. Or perhaps that chap from Seinfeld, who once spent an entire episode agonizing over the correct ratio of chunky to creamy peanut butter. This, my dear friends, is the theatrical equivalent: a tempest in a very shallow teacup, brewed with the bitter dregs of bruised egos and the stale crumbs of wounded 'pride'. So, let us raise a glass – preferably something cheap and fizzy, because frankly, this whole affair doesn't warrant anything vintage – to Patti LuPone, the undisputed champion of the “Oops, did I say that out loud?” school of etiquette. May her future utterances be as exquisitely un-demeaning as a particularly fluffy kitten, and may the collective Broadway profession find something truly significant to complain about, like, say, the exorbitant price of a pre-theatre gin and tonic. Because, let’s be honest, that’s a far greater tragedy than a few choice words from a woman who probably just needs a good lie-down and a decent cup of Darjeeling.

Fuck. tldr?

r219: Right?

I have to say I bow before the queen who wrote and posted that.

That was some very florid prose.

She should have said: "I regret my choice of words in calling Kecia a bitch. I meant to say cunt."

Capitulation to radical free-speech killers is wrong, no matter if the faux victims are black, orange, or shit brown.

[quote]I'm biracial.

So, in other words, you're irrelevant R161.

[quote] But I know the hatred in the confused values and always-defensive posturing that is the usual black bullshit

R161 You don't know shit about anything, you ugly half-breed motherfucker. I'm sick of fence-sitting biracials thinking they can speak for full black people when, most of the time, they're confused about their own identities. If you truly are biracial, you most likely have a white mother, which makes you even more clueless about race relations concerning the black side of the family. Go sit on spiked fence, you dumb whore, or maybe pick up a book and actually read it. You sound so dumb and uneducated.

Patti should send a big fat chocolate pie to each of the racist cunts signing that idiotic petition.

I’m sorry, Miss LuPone. What an awful thing to do to a great star like you,

R224 proves the point and, like most of the ilk, is too stupid to see it.

Once again, "me am so angry" ain't getting you "relevant" racist haters anywhere. Keep dragging those knuckles, you familiar troll.

This past week has GOT to become the next FORBIDDEN BROADWAY - a full 90 minutes on stage of this. I mean, it already plays out like something out of FB, they don't have to do much to it.

I can see it now...it opens with Patti's confrontation with the stage manager next door....'Black musicals are notoriously too louD. You gotta do something!

R227 Keep your head in the sand, bitch. You still know nothing about anything Black or African American and have proven nothing but the fact that you're a self-hating stereotype. You type ugly. You type undesirable. You type like someone who is in desperate, desperate need for validation. All the traits of an ugly son of a bitch. You can save your brain by picking up a book at anytime.

Wow, lots of comments seems to be so racist that Patti must have written them

Patti LuPone: even when she's not on Broadway she's the headliner.

[quote]I assume the reason that Patti didn't address Kecia's comments via Insta when they occurred was because Patti was still preforming in The Roommate and the show's PR team didn't allow it or strongly she suggested/pleaded she not reply. By the time of the New Yorker interview she was a free agent.

I'm sure you're right about that, although it has never seemed that Patti ever hesitated to speak her mind for similar reasons in the past.

Did Patti actually think she was going to be nominated for The Roommate anyway? All the buzz was for Mia and I didn’t see one person predicting Patti to snag a spot.

This was all about Patti calling colleagues bitches and claiming Kecia wasn’t a veteran.

The racial stuff happened long ago and we’ve forgotten about it.

Patti just reveals she’s a narcissist and nasty person

Half of this thread is one racist guy talking to himself.

If Patti were a man her unbridled outspokenness would be admired.

But because she’s a woman, she has to apologize like a good little maternal peacemaker.

Examples, please, R236? I'm racking my brain to come up with a male celebrity other than Donald Trump of whom that could be said.

Why couldn't Patti be a Tony voter even if she was in a show that was eligible and has received a nomination?

Oscar and Emmy voters can all vote for themselves.

[quote]If Patti were a man her unbridled outspokenness would be admired.

This is the same predictable argument used by such other bitches as Lea Michele, but it's total bullshit. I can only speak for myself, but I know for certain that if any man had been as vindictive and defensive and incredibly nasty at Patti has behaved towards so many people over the decades, I would certainly not "admire" that man. Interesting that, very special cases like Scott Rudin aside, I can't think of a single man who has been as "outspoken" (i.e., bitchy) as Patty has been through the years -- maybe because, quite the opposite of what you say, R236, many people find such behavior MORE acceptable from women than from men. And some women, including both LuPone and Michele, take advantage of that.

But, the reality is, very few STRAIGHT men are ever that candid. If a male star gets "frank" and spills some tea or gets bitchy about shit, it's pretty much always a homo.

Straight men HAVE most of the power...they don't need to vent. They just make some phone calls and if they're high enough on the ladder, they get their way if they run into a problem.

If narcissism and nastiness were crimes in the American theater, most of Broadway could fill the hours between auditions composing letters to the manager.

Vogue: How Lupone Came Under Fire

Vogue is surprisingly even handed in that article. This is so true (my italics):

"LuPone is the darling of Broadway, her standout turns as Eva Perón in Evita and Rose in Gypsy paving the way for an illustrious career onstage [italics] and near-constant run-ins with her stage-sharers."[/italics]

How did I fuck up that formatting?

LuPone's GYPSY was recent enough that I wouldn't say it "paved the way" for anything. That road had already been paved and very well trod.

If she’s done with Broadway, she could always do Olive Garden commercials.

The Independent was correct, in this instance the apology only added to the gossip. It's just gossip, not a genuine scandal.

You know Patti has some cousin or relative screaming into their pillow somewhere right now, "NOW THE CUNT APOLOGIZES??? NOW????"

[quote]Patti LuPone drags EVERYTHING, Part 2: You’ll Think It Strange When She Tries To Explain How She Feels

Miami has so much appeal? A great place to get a seafood meal?

Well, now that Patti has apologized, I guess this thread is pretty much dead. Hell has officially frozen over.

Only until she loses it again.

God bless her.

You just know Patti's going to hit the talk show circuit to promote And Just Like That.

Fireworks.

Has Lupone ever gotten this much media attention in her career, as she has this past week ? Not even the firestorm that was her dismissal from Sunset Blvd 32 years ago generated this much coverage (albeit, there was no internet media).

To all you homosexuals who voted for Ms. Lupone, I extend to you my sincerest gratitude.

Talk about charged language: microaggressions and emotional violence!!!

R234 wants us to think that race wasn't at the bottom of the insane pushback to LuPone's comments, which were measured compared to her capacity for straight talk.

This was ALL about race. Never underestimate the singular focus of black show cunts on getting back at people who dared to call them out for their disgraceful, self-serving victimhood.

R234's merely an apologist for offensive racism among non-whites and their benighted supporters against someone who happens to be white and who isn't racist.

Patti LuPone is 76. Why will her generation NEVER RETIRE?

Patti-stans…pleez

It’s over. TIA, from the grave.

Well, I’m sure Patti takes great comfort in the fact that the ONLY reason I’m watching the supremely mediocre And Just Like That is for her star turn as Anthony’s mom.

Team Patti, baby!

Someday, soon.

[quote]Patti LuPone is 76. Why will her generation NEVER RETIRE?

And be replaced by......................who exactly ?

Cynthia Erivo ? Beanie Feldstein ? Ariana De Bose ? Ariana Grande ? Which diva in her 30s has the talent, drive and discipline to take Lupone's place on stage (who started out in her 30s) ?

Patti defines “main character energy,” but in her case it’s not delusional. This controversy is just more proof that everything is, in fact, about her.

[quote]Patti LuPone is 76. Why will her generation NEVER RETIRE?

Yeah, why won't they?

They won't retire, because then you'd be stuck with hundreds of Sutton Fosters.

At a successful 76 years old she has no more fucks to give.

So many here and elsewhere seem to agree with you, R266. How do you square that with her apology? Someone with "no more fucks to give" would never have released one.

If what Patti said in the New Yorker came out of Drag Race, everybody would be laughing their fool heads off.

Didn’t read about the apology.

M’suckin’

Yes, R268, because that's the level her remarks were on -- suitable for DRAG RACE or WATCH WHAT HAPPENS LIVE, but not for a serious profile of a major artist in THE NEW YORKER. And the endless "debates" around all of this confirm how large a percentage of LuPone's fanbase loves her most when she's a caricature, their cartoon idea of what a strong woman should be like. Sad.

r262 I'm not a huge fan of Erivo (mainly because she's exhausting) but she IS hugely talented. And, her larger than life persona is what helps make her a Star that will be remembered.

Sutton Foster is still around and we're having a hard time remembering her...except as a beard for Hugh.

She’s won a Tony and has two Oscar nods…while starring in last year’s megahit, AND in next year’s megahit. I bet she’s sleeping fairly well at age 38.

That Lupone apology was a ChatGPT, not Lupone

I didn't think it was real, either.

[quote]Patti defines “main character energy”...

Are you mad?

Kecia Lewis defines “main character energy”! She brought HERSELF into the brouhaha! I doubt Patti even knew who she was!

I still don't know who Kecia Lewis is and nor do I care to.

I know who Patti LuPone is, and I don't care to.

I don't know who Patti LuPone is and I care.

I don't know what care is but Patti LuPone knows me.

I’m "The I Don't Care Girl" !

Finally got around to reading it. The old gal serves cunt from start to finish.

Those who want a quick primer on her career should give the article a glance.

She’s asked why the gays like her so much. Her response — “no idea! Ask them!”

I didn’t know that her brother played the Cusimano husband on “The Sopranos.”

it’s pronunced pr-i-mer, not p-I-mer

not pr-I-mer

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