Patti LuPone drags EVERYTHING in The New Yorker: Trump, Audra, pedestrians, hockey teams, a raccoon, HELL'S KITCHEN

In the meantime, the battles were unrelenting. She had told me, about co-starring with Mia Farrow in the two-woman play “The Roommate” last fall, “There was a little bit of bullshit that went down, and then I washed my hands of a couple of people in the business.” One of them, I found out later, was a press agent who, after an offstage blowup, grabbed a bottle of champagne from his office and gave it to LuPone to make amends; he did not realize that the label read “Happy Opening, Sunset Boulevard.” “The Roommate” shared a wall with a neighboring show, “Hell’s Kitchen,” the Alicia Keys musical, and sound would bleed through. At her stage manager’s suggestion, LuPone called Robert Wankel, the head of the Shubert Organization, and asked him if he could fix the noise problem. Once it was taken care of, she sent thank-you flowers to the musical’s crew. She was surprised, then, when Kecia Lewis, an actress in “Hell’s Kitchen,” posted a video on Instagram, speaking as one “veteran” to another, and called LuPone’s actions “bullying,” “racially microaggressive,” and “rooted in privilege,” because she had labelled “a Black show loud.”

“Oh, my God,” LuPone said, balking, when I brought up the incident. “Here’s the problem. She calls herself a veteran? Let’s find out how many Broadway shows Kecia Lewis has done, because she doesn’t know what the fuck she’s talking about.” She Googled. “She’s done seven. I’ve done thirty-one. Don’t call yourself a vet, bitch.” (The correct numbers are actually ten and twenty-eight, but who’s counting?) She explained, of the noise problem, “This is not unusual on Broadway. This happens all the time when walls are shared.”

I mentioned that Audra McDonald—the Tony-decorated Broadway star—had given the video supportive emojis. “Exactly,” LuPone said. “And I thought, You should know better. That’s typical of Audra. She’s not a friend”—hard “D.” The two singers had some long-ago rift, LuPone said, but she didn’t want to elaborate. When I asked what she had thought of McDonald’s current production of “Gypsy,” she stared at me, in silence, for fifteen seconds. Then she turned to the window and sighed, “What a beautiful day.”

It was. In Central Park, New Yorkers were strolling among the apple blossoms. “Oh, people sitting by themselves, lonely as hell,” LuPone observed, peering from her window. “HA! Just lonely as hell out there.” She was ready for a nap. As I walked out, she announced, “I, my dahling, am taking to my bed.”

Is she ever happy?

Bye bitch!

Let me know when Cynthia Erivo is done with Broadway and almost everything else.

So now we gotta find out what the rift was that happened between the two years ago that she won’t mention!

1) Audra became friends with Glenn Close

2) Audra told Bernadette she was the better Rose

3) Audra told Betty Buckley she preferred her version of Meadowlark

4) Audra told Mandy that his applause rightfully was stronger during Evita bows

I REALLy need this today. Thanks, OP and especially, thanks Patti! You never disappoint.

"When I asked what she had thought of McDonald’s current production of “Gypsy,” she stared at me, in silence, for fifteen seconds. Then she turned to the window and sighed, 'What a beautiful day.'"

This is the best thing ever written in the history of the world.

Does this mean she doesn't want to do a show on East 4th Street anymore?

LOVE this interview but could anyone elaborate on whatever was being said about Patti and Mia Farrow and THE ROOMMATE?

This evil cunt with her 60 IQ.

Team Lupone.

Like Elaine Stritch, she is going to wear out her welcome before shuffling off. The memory of her bullshit will be much less amusing than it is now.

Team Patti here. Nothing more to add.

I’m with her on the Kecia Lewis thing. Making it a race thing is disgusting and so indicative of our annoying times. Glad she didn’t back down. Plus Hells Kitchen is a fairly dreadful show.

She loses me on the Audra thing. Whatever their personal beef, I thought Audra was amazing on that stage. Even if you are less impressed, it’s hard to see how that performance could earn such a dismissive reaction.

Patti heckling children riding the zamboni between periods at a Rangers game had me howling. Flawless character work. No notes.

R14 I was cracking up as well. Patti gave those kids and Kecia Lewis the public trashing they deserved.

I didn't interpret the Audra response as "dismissive" but as Patti, for once in her life, knowing it best not to comment.

I've locked up at least one vote!

I’m glad this hideous old woman is a thing in New York and achieved some degree of fame. But does she or any New York based media source realize that absolutely no one outside that city and who isn’t into Broadway shows have no idea who she is? She’s just the big deal some of you are convinced she is. She’s not the big deal SHE thinks she is. But I suppose in New York, her obnoxious behavior is intriguing and salacious news. By the way, isn’t she like late 70s or something? Isn’t she way too old to be so nasty and catty?

I like to think of her as the Great White Way's befana, the village hag in black rewarding the good, punishing the bad, and demanding offerings.

R18 is Stephen Sondheim, who told her to her face during an interview that she wasn’t famous and only people in the theatre knew who she was.

Did she blast Corky too?

She’s not MAGA but she’s got Trump’s temperament.

R18 she’s a heroine to the Down’s Syndrome community.

I love Patti! The Hell's Kitchen kerfuffle and pulling the race card is indeed absurd.

I mean, Patti was, is and will always be a cunt. But she doesn't pretend otherwise.

She immerses herself in the cuntitude. She is authentically cunty, always. Good for her.

I was feeling charitable that day and didn’t address her diction.

Her cuntiness is hilarious…from afar.

I am not normally a fan of the Elaine Stritch school of monstre sacré who just steamrolled everyone. Lupone 's targets are her peers and equals who can give as good as they get. #teampatti on this one.

“Lupone 's targets are her peers”

And also children on a Zamboni

Another sign of how far The New Yorker has gone downhill under David Remnick. This belongs in People magazine.

Patti is too insecure to ever praise McDonald's performance as Momma Rose.

She's an odd woman. She thinks her bitchiness is always deeply amusing. Sometimes it is, but sometimes she's just hateful.

“Here’s the problem. She calls herself a veteran? Let’s find out how many Broadway shows Kecia Lewis has done, because she doesn’t know what the fuck she’s talking about.” She Googled. “She’s done seven. I’ve done thirty-one. Don’t call yourself a vet, bitch.”

I fucking adore LuPone.

I’m sorry Patti Lupone was right. The noise issue had nothing to do with race until Kecia Lewis made it about race. It’s absurd. The noise issue shouldn’t have been resolved because Hell’s Kitchen cast is majority black and pc optics of it all? It’s kinda dangerous what she did because the reaction was successful.

Kecia Lewis is why Trump won a second term.

R25 100%! I love that she embraces her cuntiness. She has no shame in it and I applaud her!

Plus she can laugh at herself and has never pretended to be anything but a handful.

Saw her in concert at the Lyric in Chicago a few months ago. Absolutely stellar performance and she truly connects with the audience. Never seen her phone it in….unlike many other stars.

Re: Audra in Gypsy…I saw it in March. I thought she was great but the gal who played Gypsy outshone her. Still, great job by Audra and she made even rough parts of her aging voice work for Rose.

How ironic she loathes Trujmp so much when both of them are all about airing grievances and playing the victim.

"Don’t call yourself a vet, bitch" -- that quote is going to cause a LOT of problems. Dumb Patti, really dumb.

She such a fucking grouch. She hates everything and everyone. She’s better than all of it!

No wonder she doesn’t have any friends

I’m pretty certain someone who’s done 7 Bway shows can be called a veteran

[Quote] "When I asked what she had thought of McDonald’s current production of “Gypsy,” she stared at me, in silence, for fifteen seconds. Then she turned to the window and sighed, 'What a beautiful day.'"

She’s jealous Audra found more in the role than she did

Does Patti really want to go into Gypsy? Because it took how many directors and productions pre-Broadway run for her to get that by the numbers performance she gave just right? I remember the threads posted on here at the time, and how people were not impressed.

[quote]Patti is too insecure to ever praise McDonald's performance as Momma Rose.

Audra is beloved and well liked in the industry as well. It took Patti numerous tries to get a second Tony (which she of course bitched about on stage when she got it) Patti needs to tred lightly on this one.

The one name that didn't come up in that interview was Bernadette Peters yet I suspect she is the reason for much of Patti's unhappiness.

She does hate everyone, and it's hilarious. I love that she can look out on a sunny day with people enjoying it and strolling through a beautiful park and her first thought is "what a buncha lonely losers!"

I bet Sondheim gave Patti’s husband blow jobs when they were smoking pot together out in the barn. And Sondheim swallowed.

She is Stritch, but as someone on social media said, the difference between the two is that Stritch never had the contempt for her audience that Patti Lu has for hers.

Upon her parents divorce, a twelve year old Patti telling her saddened brother, “honey, we’re free to pursue show business now!” 😂😂😂

I had a dream. It’s all about you….Bobby!

Matron r18 needs her meds! Change her diaper too - she stinks.

[quote]Stritch never had the contempt for her audience that Patti Lu has for hers.

How does Patti have contempt for her audiences, r45? She shows up and she delivers.

plenty of lonely people, Pats sounds like 1 of them.

r25 The problem is she twins her cuntiness with a thin skin. Anyone who treats her as less than a queen results in her crying about being a victim. If you want to give it, you should be able to take it.

Another problem is her cuntiness is all she has.

I felt bad for her in the roommate. Not only was it a mediocre play poorly directed (with the dumbest set ever) but the night I saw it, there were patches of queens throughout the theater who were treating it like a night at Marie's Crisis.

I’m happy to say I’ve never helped out a single penny into this cunt’s pocket.

This bitch just doesn't give a fuck. It's as awesome as it is annoying. I can't think of a movie star counterpart who is this aggressively outwardly cunt-filled. All the difficult cunts in film play as though they are sweet as pie.

[quote]Another problem is her cuntiness is all she has.

She seems to have no problem getting work, r50.

The bit with the sherry was telling. So she's been drinking sherry for 40 years, and yet doesn't know where it is and isn't served in NYC? Does anyone really believe she let the journalist take her to a restaurant she's never been to before? So I suspect she orders it as an affectation, and when told they don't serve it, she can start complaining.

Also, the absolutely witless way she crammed in a "does anyone still wear a hat".

Patti LuPone is so exhausting and unpleasant.

She should just go away. Now.

[quote]Patti LuPone is so exhausting and unpleasant.

And yet here you are, r56.

Could you imagine being the New Yorker staffer charged with calling up seventy-year-old retired NHL players to repeat Patti’s shit-talking about them and asking if they had any comment?

I bet Andy Cohen jerked off after reading this.

I’m going to enjoy this dried up cunt’s impending backlash. It’s a long time coming.

Yes, I'm here to turn off the lights and throw everyone out!

Do you remember the first time she threw a fit due to a camera flash while she was on stage? My friend was there that night and stated there were signs backstage notifying the cast that a photographer would be in the audience that night.

I’m not sure if it was the photographer or if he/she used a flash, but thought that bit of gossip was pertinent to this story.

[quote] The problem is she twins her cuntiness with a thin skin. Anyone who treats her as less than a queen results in her crying about being a victim. If you want to give it, you should be able to take it.

My guess is that likely she has a Cluster B personality disorder, probably BPD.

She takes every possible career setback as a personal slight and never forgets to hold a bitter grudge against whomever to her mind caused it.

I can't imagine what she's like as a mother.

Back in 2019, Patti told Miss Lindz to “come out”. Miss Lindz still refuses, yet everyone knows.

Who was the Eve Harrington in Evita?

[quote]Close took a seat next to LuPone. “She said, ‘I had nothing to do with it,’ ” LuPone recalled. “I wanted to go, ‘Bullshit, bitch!’ ”

I do think ALW fucked her over in Sunset, just like he fucked Faye over, but what could Glenn have possibly done to piss her off? I remember the gossip that Patti wanted Close barred from seeing her finish up Sunset in the UK, because she was afraid Close would take notes and use them in her interpretation.

If anything, she should be pissed at Barbra. It was Barbra's versions of the Sunset songs that were playing on the theater lines to get tickets to the Lupone show.

R63 but is she autistic?

Patti Lupone is a breath of fresh air in this overly pc world in certain fabrics of American society.

…says the DL version of nasty Patti

I don’t really understand Broadway vocals but I think Patti is noisy and shrill. And the same white gays who find Patti LaBelle and black vocal runs unnecessary and showy are the same one who will listen to Patti LuPone shatter everyone’s eardrums.

Nasty Patti would be a good bluesky handle for her.

She’s now 76 and has never given a fuck and never will. Cluster B? Maybe. Who cares. She’s old and she’s pissed off and you’re going to know about it.

[quote] Who was the Eve Harrington in Evita?

They said it was her original matinee replacement, which was Terri Klausner.

A year or so after the Sunset debacle, Patti came to perform at Davies Symphony Hall in SF. The day prior to the concert, I attended an "intimate audience with Patti LuPone" event held for some local musical theater society. Anyways, the interviewer brought up Sunset and at that point I don't think she had talked publicly about it much so her feelings about it were still pretty raw. She barely got through her answer before breaking out into a tearful rage and referring to Glenn as a backstabbing cunt. Needless to say, it was awkward but even 30 years later, I can still vividly recall her face as she said it.

[quote]I don’t really understand Broadway vocals but I think Patti is noisy and shrill.

You might want to have your hearing checked, r69.

children on a Zamboni: insufferable CUNTS

Mamet: “I never knew words til Mamet”

People with BPD or who display BPD characteristics at various stages in life didn’t happen in a vacuum.

Unlike sociopaths, they weren’t born that way. They are the inverse of a sociopath. Their neurotic behavior is a symptom of pain, usually intentional, caused by some sociopath or sociopaths.

The second part of your hearing test R69.

1992 - Sondheim celebration - Carnegie Hall

Big Penis Dysphoria? Is that her issue?

I saw Patti in "Sunset" in London. It wasn't her part. She's a force of nature on stage, and Norma was supposed to be faded, lost, desperate. It wasn't a good fit, even though she sang the shit out of it. Out of all of them Buckley was the best.

[quote]It wasn't her part

It really wasn't.

[quote]even though she sang the shit out of it

Indeed

[quote]Out of all of them Buckley was the best.

Indeed

Oh Patti, if you ever want that fourth Tony, perhaps I'll give you one of mine.

On loan—cash deposit required.

[quote]When she was starring in “Company,”LuPone would carry a bullhorn and yell at pedestrians from her car window. “It’s impossible for us to get to work,” she told me. “And I said that years ago. So I start work angry. I can’t get to my theatre, because of the traffic pattern, because of the arrogance of the people in the streets. It’s a road. Get out of the street.”

This is objectively hilarious. She's like a John Waters character.

More like a Wes Craven

To R67, I totally fucking agree with you in the phrase "overly PC world in certain parts of American society".

There was "no reason" Kecia Lewis should have played the black card, but she did! She thought the "old white lady" would cave& give in. That is not going to happen with LuPone.

Paul Wontorek, who has interviewed Patti many times and always came across as a super fan just shit on her on Instagram by posting “veterans” Audra and Kecia.

Yikes…when you lose Paul from Broadway.com…it’s bad.

Just when you’ve had sufficient, another bigoted comment from the DL peanut gallery

[quote] Paul Wontorek, who has interviewed Patti many times and always came across as a super fan just shit on her on Instagram by posting “veterans” Audra and Kecia.

Patti, only you would ever think calling those two honored pros "veterans" is somehow "shitting on you."

Get your act together.

[Quote] Another sign of how far The New Yorker has gone downhill under David Remnick. This belongs in People magazine.

The New Yorker magazine is the perfect place for a profile of a Broadway legend. LuPone is not really known outside of NY.

She is an awful and an awfully entertaining woman.

New Yorker has been doing profiles like this for almost 100 years.

I seem to remember Patti missing the next performance of "Company" on a Tuesday, after her Tony win on a Sunday. Jennifer Simard went on for her. Who is now doing the same thing a few times a week in "Death Becomes Her". Except Jennifer isn't winning a Tony.

R90 Right as if any star or television flavor of the month’s publicist would ever let them speak off the cuff like this in People fucking Magazine.

Am I looking better now?

What does People have to do with it?

R94-Follow the thread, son.

It was a joke about a song, daughter.

What is her husband Matthew Johnston's story? Saint? Sinner? Equally abrasive? They've been married a very long time.

And, what, if anything, is the story with him and Stephen Sondheim? Or, is that someone's wet dream?

She claimed she accepted Glenn’s apology when it happened in 2010 but I’m not surprised it didn’t stick.

She has a habit of going after women who possess dignity, because she knows she can be nasty and they will not return fire. Glenn Close, Bernadette Peters, Joanna Gleason, Audra McDonald.

^ And Madonna???

Has she ever tried to fuck w/Meryl? I bet not, she knows Mer would tear her to fucking shreds.

Kelcia took something that happens frequently in theaters and turned it into a persecution of race. Which was ridiculous. And she is not on the level of a Lupone or McDonald. Broadway veteran who was largely a minor/replacement/fourth tier supporting player.

Lupone knew she was being used for publicity and a career boost. She responded accordingly.

I thought her particularly bitchy when she was -for the umpteenth time-going over the whole Sunset Blvd debacle. She made a point of pronouncing Petula Clark petch Ala ...which few people have done since 1965. The bitch never forgets. I doubt she's a very happy human being.

R100 😂

Is there a new THEATRE GOSSIP thread or are we just going to stay here. The last one was all about Patti anyway

Here, r105

R101 She spoke kindly of Meryl in her book. Meryl attended the Sydmonton performance of “Sunset” and complimented Patti afterwards.

[quote]Meryl attended the Sydmonton performance of “Sunset” and complimented Patti afterwards.

I will never apologise for this: I fucking love Patti LuPone. She's hell on wheels.

I agree, R39. Seven is enough to qualify her as a Broadway veteran (even if some of them had her as "ensemble" or "various," etc.).

Oh please, R110, Sherie Rene Whatshername has been in at least that many and I would call her a Broadway Dishonorable Discharge, at best.

The problem is that Kecia tried to put herself on the same level as Lupone.

Aside from the Alicia Keys musical, her resume is dubious at best.

She did? How?

Patti made the comparison ….

I think Patti would make a great killer-of-the-week on “Elsbeth” next season. She could’ve played Nathan Lane’s angry audience member quite well.

BPD : Bernadette Peters Disorder, natch.

She’s an extraordinary talent, still. But a white woman shitting on not one but two of her black peers is never a good look.

She shouldn't feel competitive with Bernadette, they're two different products. Patti isn't a Dot or a Mabel and Bernadette isn't an Eva Peron or a Reno Sweeney. Patti isn't an Annie Oakley...and neither was Bernadette. That role ideally should have gone to Betty Lynn years earlier. She had the right voice and could handle both sides of Annie's persona believably. Oh well.

And then calling one of them a bitch is very uncouth.

She's 76, r118, why should she give a crap about couth?

It's been said on here a couple of times but if you really think Patti LuPone is not known outside of New York, you really are an idiot.

She isn’t known outside of New York. Sorry. She’s a regional talent only. A few guest appearances in Ryan Murphy trash heap does not make one a recognizable star.

Shut up, Patti LuPone! Shut your brassy, magnificent trap! I don't want to hear you sing!

A Law & Order on set memory (I worked as crew): LuPone whined to the prop gal “Do I really need a briefcase? Won’t my handbag suffice?” Prop gal replied “You’re playing an attorney heading into court. You’re going in with that briefcase.” And she didn’t wait for a response from LuPone, she had other principal actors to prop up, haha.

Was she being funny or being a bitch?

James Cameron should cast Patti in his next movie. That’d generate some fun news articles.

Patti LuPone and Betty Buckley: Diva Roadtrip

It’s the two of them, an old VW Bug, a box of 8 tracks, two huge hoagies longer than the car is wide. They drive from NYC to Roanoke, Virginia to stage a show in an old barn on a Superfund site.

R126, get Tonya Pinkins and Alice Ripley (group texting the fifteen year old non-binaries she has competing to be her newest bestie/submissive) in the backseat and you’ve got what Bravo can use as the newest iteration of Real Housewives of New York.

[quote] So now we gotta find out what the rift was that happened between the two years ago that she won’t mention!

What, but also when.

The Housewives always have a cast of at least 5-6 lunatics, so we need two more crazy/difficult bitches in the cast.

Who else should join Betty, Patti, Tonya, and Alice? Maybe Nathan Lane? One of their theme parties should be Elaine Stritch themed, so we can see these bitches screaming at each other in a man’s shirt, black tights and a beret, while holding a Costco-sized bottle of hard liquor in their hands.

She is a Marvel series co-star, lest we forget

R11, The Prophetess.

Pfft.

R129, I nominate Karen Olivo (more one-sided feuding with an unseen Audra McDonald and highly likely to storm off set during the reunion with threats that she’s moving to Idaho forever to teach college) and Karen Ziemba as the nice-but-too-excited-to-be-there friend of the housewives that they all make fun of for having weird boobs.

r129, she has gone on record as saying she is a not a fan of the Real Housewives series.

R133 to be fair, she’s on record as saying she is not a fan of anyone.

[quote] so we need two more crazy/difficult bitches in the cast.

Here's one:

Of course I ADORE Patti, but this stuff makes me sad. Partly because she makes it difficult to defend her. And partly because it's just sad that someone SO talented is seemingly so miserable.

Hi kids!

Did someone say my name?

This belongs in the Library of Datalounge for generations to enjoy.

What is the Dewey Decimal number for "cunt memoir"?

Maybe she doesn't like Audra's performance. She is allowed to and Audra can take it. Is Audra at home weeping on her pile of Tony's. She didn't insult assail Kecia's talent. Patti is classy. Patti knows how to stay in her weight class!! Brava!

Laura Osnes? pfft, R135. If you’re going to make me work with some crackpot anti-vax ingenue entering her “I’ve written a letter to daddy” era let it be Chad Kimball. HA!

With impeccable timing, Audra is on the cover of the new issue of Time, headlined "Broadway's Greatest". Something else for Patti to hate!

Wow I wonder what happened between Patti and Audra. Years ago I saw them perform together at the Hollywood Bowl and they were so chummy.

Then I saw Patti drag Audra's performance (with Meryl) of Ladies Who Lunch on that COVID Sondheim tribute. (Well, she was critical of the conception not specifically of Audra in it.)

There's something clearly wrong with this woman to be that bitter and angry for that long...to every one, and every thing. Bitter bitch 'til the end.

[quote] The problem is she twins her cuntiness with a thin skin. Anyone who treats her as less than a queen results in her crying about being a victim. If you want to give it, you should be able to take it.

BINGO.

I'd be impressed that Audra's publicist got her on the cover of Time during the final week of Tony voting but then I remembered it's 2025 and no one actually reads magazines.

As for that header, even nice stars like Bernie are probably rolling their eyes over that nonsense.

I can't imagine the faces that Nathan and Patti are making.

Audra and Patti are both fabulous

Sadly, I really need the goods (that aren't generated by Google AI) about Farrow and O'Brien coping with LuPone drama on "The Roommate." Michael Schulman needed to ply her with more than one bottle of sherry to get that shit on the record.

Patti singing the National Anthem before a game of her beloved NY Rangers in 1980.

The announcer says she won the Emmy for Evita.

Pffffffftt, r143.

I *almost * feel bad for Patti on this. For years she has been celebrated for being outspoken and “yes, queen” in everything and I really don’t think she had any idea this would be any different, but she is hated right now on the theatre boards/twitter/reddit because of the Kecia thing.

If I was her publicist, I would book her on The View or something quickly to do damage control.

I fear she will turn out like Roseanne Barr in a year. Feels betrayed by everyone and falls for right wing grifters.

Another Broadway veteran with a Time cover.

I like Patti but...yeah, this was pretty dumb. Entertaining, but dumb. Even if she mea culpas, (and she won't) she isn't getting booked for anything for a long time.

Kecia was a bitch...stirring up shit when there wasn't any reason to but Patti going after her so bluntly is just going to get her raked over the coals. Because if a white person goes after ANY person of color for ANY reason and even if it's not anything to do with race and even it's snapping back at something the person of color said, you're going to get sent to the office and labeled racist.

There's a running theme in Patti's antics, and that she tends to throw hissy fits when anyone pulls focus away from her. The men taking photos or texting in the audience; the theater next door making too much noise while she's performing; even in this profile story, the girls at the next table who are talking too loudly.

She is the STAR, at all times, and she wants you to remember that.

Attention must be paid.

Patti's problem is that she longs for the old view.

“Because if a white person goes after ANY person of color for ANY reason and even if it's not anything to do with race and even it's snapping back at something the person of color said, you're going to get sent to the office and labeled racist.”

How dare those uppity folks push back!

[Quote] It's been said on here a couple of times but if you really think Patti LuPone is not known outside of New York, you really are an idiot.

She's known outside of New York wherever there are gays of a certain age but most people don't know who she. is.

Off-stage I hate her, but on-stage, I'm madly in love with her!

Kecia actually played this expertly. No one knew who she was. One complaint about Lupone and she knew Patti would never let go

[Quote] Maybe she doesn't like Audra's performance. She is allowed to and Audra can take it.

But she made it a dramatic moment where Lupone was trying to show it was so bad it can’t be commented on and that she knows best.

Basically being her cunty self when she knows Audra’s Rose blows hers away.

That wasn't Milner's line, r157.

Fixed it for you R157

Off-stage I hate her, but on-stage, I'm madly in love with her!

-Lyon Burke

Thank you, r161.

R156 "She's known outside of New York wherever there are gays of a certain age but most people don't know who she is."

Even fewer for shit stirrer, Ms.Kecia Lewis. Way fewer.

[quote]Kecia actually played this expertly. No one knew who she was.

And no one still knows. Her comments towards Audra are the ones that are generating the headlines.

I've never heard of Patti and Audra feuding until now. They had always appeared in public as friends. The cynic in me wonders if this isn't some carefully planned PR tactic by a friend to try and boost Audra's profile before Tony time. And Audra just happens to land the Time magazine cover at the same time? It's interesting, that's all I have to say.

We know who Patti hates, because she's made that perfectly clear for years now. Why is this the first time we're hearing about a dustup with Audra?

So what?

For R 163^

Ugh I'm seeing the social media reaction. Very bad news. Damit- I just want Patti's legacy to be preserved. No way will she get a Kennedy Center Honor now.

[Quote] The cynic in me wonders if this isn't some carefully planned PR tactic by a friend to try and boost Audra's profile before Tony time. And Audra just happens to land the Time magazine cover at the same time?

Of course it is. This is also a smart way to publicize Gypsy—when the Tonys are about to happen

Calling Kecia and Glenn bitches was bad enough, but dissing Audra was just plain stupid.

Is it as brutal as we hoped?

[quote] Damit- I just want Patti's legacy to be preserved. No way will she get a Kennedy Center Honor now.

She says in the profile that she wants to see the Kennedy Center blown up.

[Quote] No way will she get a Kennedy Center Honor now.

She’d have to get in line behind Liza

Patti dragged the Kennedy Center too, anyway. She won’t care.

I started dating a musical theater guy in the early 2000s who would spend a week in New York every spring and a week in London every fall. He packed in as many (new) shows as he could. In Spring 2008, I had to present at a conference in NYC and he chose to plan his trip during my conference (probably, in retrospect, to avoid paying for a hotel). He “surprised” me with tickets to Gypsy. Patty Lupone was starring.

The show was enjoyable enough, but musical theater wasn’t my thing. The boyfriend bought some sort of small poster signed by the cast to benefit an AIDS charity then made me wait with him outside the stage door. He wanted Lupone to sign the back, too. We waited a bit until she emerged, when he produced a Sharpie and started talking with her. She obliged and exchanged pleasantries with him. I just stood there looking around and our eyes met and she barked, “Well, do you want me to sign something for you or not?” I guess I’d heard about stage doors but I think I just though it was for people to take pictures or cheer.

I must’ve given her an unknowing, inexperienced look. She snatched the Playbill from my hand and signed it hastily and shoved it back at me. I looked at the Playbill when we got back to our room. She wrote, “Pay attention,” and autographed it. WTF? So I agree that she’s not as famous as she thinks she is. But the interaction was not cunty IMO, just weird.

R167-Not a problem. By the time Trump leaves office, she'll be dead.

Are you kidding? Trump runs the Kennedy Center honors now, and Broadway is about the only artistic endeavor he's ever heard of; plus, she's now made critical comments about a couple of black women. *Of course* she'll be getting an honor - if she's willing to take it.

There’s no way in hell that Patti would ever get a Kennedy Center Honor with Trump as President. Especially as he seems to be more consistently interested in Kennedy Center than he is in the Middle East.

I am saddened to think we’ll likely never get the see Patti shrugging disdainfully on a loge balcony while Sutton Foster essays Buenos Aires while grinning like a camp counsellor.

Wow...that's a bizarre conspiracy theory, Nicole. To make it happen, the editors of The New Yorker and Time would need to have been in collusion, and somehow, someway, they had to make certain that Patti said something awful about Audra. Yeah, sure...That's a thing

The author notes she told a couple of women to quiet down at a restaurant because she was "trying to have a conversation here." Apparently her ranting and raving at the NHL game was fine however. Clearly, Patti is the only one allowed to get loud in public.

What was the "something awful" that Patti said about Audra? She didn't even criticize her performance. She said pretty much nothing in fact.

[Quote] What was the "something awful" that Patti said about Audra? She didn't even criticize her performance. She said pretty much nothing in fact.

It was done to signify something awful. Re-read the sentence about how she responded to the question about Audra’s Rose

R174 Actually, it was hilarious.

Why didn't you just say, "I'm with him!"?

I can't wait for the next time Patti walks on a stage and someone BOOs...You know it's gonna happen. A lot of people are reacting negatively to this, and there will be shit flung...

Can’t Ryan Murphy whip up a Broadway equivalent of Hacks starring LuPone for Hulu/FX?

I’d love to see that pilot The Perfect Year which Kathryn Bigelow directed. You know, the one with LuPone playing a Susan Stroman-type director with Norbert Leo Butz as a gay Broadway songwriter who also happens to be a meth addict? It’s languishing in HBO’s vault of unsold pilots along with Ewan McGregor, Chris Cooper and Dianne Wiest in The Corrections (directed by Noah Baum ach) and Spring/Fall, the high fashion melodrama starring Sigourney Weaver and Tea Leoni,

Many Black Broadway stars are coming to Audra's and Kecia's defense on social media. It's not looking good for ole Patti.

GOOD!

Really, R180? They saved that beat for the end of the article, making it crystal clear that LuPone was giving a very icy "no comment" about her onetime "friend"'s performance. She knows better.

Patti needs to publicly apologize to both. She acted atrociously and those comments were awful. She's acting like the man she hates most.

You mean ALW, R181?

Another thing she has in common with Trump-she never apologizes.

She's also probably still pissed off Mia got a nomination and she didn't. Mia doesn't have a prayer of winning, but it would be fabulous if she did and then she didn't thank Patti.

[quote] Patti needs to publicly apologize to both.

Yeah, like that's going to happen!

I agree with this: "The saddest part is, Patti didn’t have to say any of this. And what’s worse — she wanted to. She wanted to drag Kecia. She wanted to dismiss Audra. She wanted the world to know that in the church of LuPone, there’s only one preacher at the pulpit."

When Madonna was rehearsing Speed The Plow at Lincoln Center didn’t Patti put up a sign which read something like “There’s only room for ONE Italian-American diva in this theater compkex”? What a piece of work.

I don't know about you but all the other threads in my Thread Watcher are dead tonight except this one and Theatre Gossip #591.

Girls, girls...

The lucky bitch pulled Kevin Kline?

Her third year, three “advanced” students joined the class. One was Kevin Kline. “I took an instant dislike to him,” LuPone recalled. “He looked like Pinocchio to me. He had skinny legs, and he was tall, and I didn’t really see the handsomeness.” That changed one day in art-appreciation class, when they sat together in the back and started “feeling each other up,” LuPone said. Their turbulent on-and-off relationship lasted seven years. “He was a Lothario,” she recalled. “It was a painful relationship. I was his girlfriend when he wanted me to be his girlfriend, but, if there was somebody else, he would break up with me and go out with that person. And I, for some reason, stuck it out—until I couldn’t stick it out anymore.” Kline remembered the relationship as “fraught.” “We fought all the time,” he told me. “In the company, we were known as the Strindbergs.”

Join the club!

[quote] Hell's Kitchen star Kecia Lewis is speaking out after fellow Broadway star Patti LuPone went viral online for calling the musical "too loud." On Saturday, Nov. 2, Lewis, 59, shared a lengthy video on her Instagram account addressed to LuPone, 75, asking for her to apologize for the comments she made to a fan in a since-deleted video (which was viewed by PEOPLE) about Hell's Kitchen's sound cues being too loud.[bold]In her open letter, Lewis called Lupone's comments "offensive," "racially microaggressive," "rude" and "rooted in privilege." [/bold]

Good Lord.

"racially microaggressive"??

"rooted in privilege"??

^^^^Instagram Cunt-playing her black card^^^^

Don't cross Patti, she's Sicilian.

Patti called the head of the Shubert organization about a noise complaint. You don't see that as using her privilege?

Sorry, she sings like a barking dog.

Bring Back Mary Martin...

Bring Back Birdie...

[quote] Patti called the head of the Shubert organization about a noise complaint. You don't see that as using her privilege?

I don't see what's wrong with it... nor would I had Audra McDonald called the same person over a noise complaint.

And I certainly don't see it as a "racial microaggression"--that's bullshit.

[quote]And I certainly don't see it as a "racial microaggression"--that's bullshit.

You don't see it as a racial microaggression, I don't see it as a racial microaggression, but she does, and she has a right to her feelings without being told she's wrong or the reason why Trump was elected. It's silly.

[quote] she has a right to her feelings without being told she's wrong

More bullshit.

Once she called it a racial microaggression she was asking for some pushback.

Why is she always so nasty? What an unhappy woman.

Patti LuPone has long built her brand on being Broadway’s no-nonsense, truth-telling, don’t-you-dare-use-your-phone--in-the-front-row diva. And listen, there’s a place for candor. There’s even a place for a little theatrical flair offstage. But in 2025, there’s also a line. And in her recent New Yorker profile that would make any publicist bang their head on their desk, Patti didn’t just cross that line. She gleefully stomped all over it.

NYTimes

^^^ correction from On Stage blog not he Times

r195

R97 that poster who said that Patti's husband got head from Sondheim after he insulted Patti about not being a national star was obviously joking.

She and G should star in “Whatever Happened to Bavy Jane” the musical.

With Julianna Margulies and Archie Panjabi as alternates.

I doubt anyone really cares what Patti LuPone says. They should just ignore her.

When she does these things, she makes a spectacle of herself. Everyone already knows what an egotist she is.

What does WSC stand for, in relation to Kline?

The only thing Patti said about Audra was, "She's not a frien-DAH!" Her silence in response to the question about Audra's Gypsy performance was hardly kind, but you can't quote what someone doesn't say.

I find all this pearl clutching over Patti's remarks rather comical, considering we all say much more horrible things about public figures here on a daily basis. Let a cunt be a cunt.

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R164 No. I thought it was odd during lockdown when Patti was critical of the song Audra participated in for the Sondheim tribute- I realized then there must be some bad blood.

All the talent in the word, and she's just not a happy person. Such a bummer.

R177 you provided a smile in these sad LuPone days.

I remember when Jimmy Stewart visited Howard McGillian backstage at Anything Goes. It's said that Patti FUMED at not being the center of attention in the moment. The next day Lincoln Center instituted a new policy against such visits to the Viv Beaumont.

I knew a guy in the orchestra of Anything Goes. He said Patti had a pretty sizable coke habit, and would regularly flash them!

What a broad!

I think this time she really needs to some soul searching and apologize.

I have to assume Patti was doing coke during the Les Mouches days

You can always tell the people who’ve never known Italian-American women and clutch their pearls. Honey, this is how they talk. There’s no filter. It’s the same with Madonna. They’ll tell you exactly how they feel and will also be your best friend. They don’t do WASP culture.

[quote] I think this time she really needs to some soul searching and apologize.

Don’t hold your breath.

[quote]I find all this pearl clutching over Patti's remarks rather comical, considering we all say much more horrible things about public figures here on a daily basis

We're posting anonymously, she's a celebrity. Trying to suggest the two are comparable is moronic. On top of which, any DLer who cunted like she does but then acted thin-skinned when someone cunted back at them would not be tolerated

[quote] In her open letter, Lewis called Lupone's comments "offensive," "racially microaggressive," "rude" and "rooted in privilege."

THIS is the reason why people like Trump are elected into office.

Jesus. Everyone complains that the media is not authentic. Then Patti comes along, says what she wants unfiltered, and the boards are full of Patti hate. It doesn't matter that she is right. Fake, insincere kindness uber alles. This is why they win. No one says what they really think on the left. They say what will go over well and not get them in trouble. On the right they don't care WHAT Trump's message is; they care that he is unfiltered because they are sick of hearing it. "Oh, I just love everyone and want everyone to get a chance to play Rose." It's dehumanizing to be told you have to fake kindness all the time. Patti 2028.

Are you saying civility is overrated?

[quote] She’s an extraordinary talent, still. But a white woman shitting on not one but two of her black peers is never a good look.

Thank you for showing your stupid racist ass. You only see them as skin color.

R225, the ivory tower elite will never get it. You’re wasting your time.

[quote] Ugh I'm seeing the social media reaction. Very bad news.

Time for you to go out and touch some grass. Only the fringe are on social media.

[quote]Time for you to go out and touch some grass

Says the person who's posted six times in this thread in twenty minutes

Bitch!!!^^^^

We have to move past this flawed (and frankly racist) idea that you cannot criticize black people without it being racist.

I think she’s tremendous

[quote]If anything, she should be pissed at Barbra. It was Barbra's versions of the Sunset songs that were playing on the theater lines to get tickets to the Lupone show.

She was - read her memoir. She claimed Barbra did this to the premiere of 'CATS' , too, as she released the single in the UK before it hit the stage and did the same thing months later in the USA.

She also said (falsely) that Barbra recorded "Argentina" before it premiered on B'way and almost released it on her album. Not true at all - Barbra publicly said he hated the song and has never sung it.

r234 What song is "Argentina"? A New Argentina or What's New BA?

As a (former) performer I absolutely understand LuPone and agree with her completely. As a patron of the arts I also would be annoyed to have my concentration on the show I'm watching interrupted by sound bleeding from another show (even if I were inclined to watch both shows, each in turn).

And, I also understand that Lewis is speaking about a completely different issue all together. I see these comments as comparing apples and avocados--they are both fruits but so completely different that it actually hard to understand that there is any similarity at all--LuPone is speaking technically and Lewis is on guard (and/or aggrieved) against a social assault.

[quote] We have to move past this flawed (and frankly racist) idea that you cannot criticize black people without it being racist.

IN GENERAL what we need to do is somehow find a way to have empathy for the needs and positions of other people and address the root issues.

The Broadway community writ large is known for inclusion and so, while LuPone is known for her bluntness and candor, that in and of itself becomes a new and invasive threat to the community (which explains the overwhelming negative response to this interview that is swelling).

r236, 👋🏻

The sad thing is this will force her to basically retreat from everything. Broadway, concerts, interviews. If she'd just issue an apology and make some calls it could be ok.

I hate the idea that we've basically seen the last of her.

R234 she was for sure angry at ALW for allowing Barbra to release the songs before she did.

You're wrong about Don't Cry for Me Argentina. Barbra famously hated the song (and the entire concept of Evita.) I don't recall Patti mentioning anything like that in her book. And if she had, an editor/fact checker would've nixed it.

Patti's praise of Nicole's performance in Sunset Blvd. was a ploy to prevent Audra from winning another Tony. It reminds me of Joan Crawford's scheme to prevent Bette Davis from winning the Oscar for Baby Jane.

R240 there may be a element of that to it. But I've seen video of Patti watching the performance absolutely memorized. Imagine the brave sou who, a few seats away, dared to take out his phone to film her.

I think she genuinely loved the performance.

Great article...love her!

Great putdown of Ron Duguay. Good comeback from him. I too would love to see a naked hockey game. And she has a good take on football players in their tight spandex and dreadlocks.

Look, if Patti had said those things at a private party, or in a private conversation, you'd roll your eyes and walk away, but no big deal. Just sort of gross. But this was The New Yorker. She knew thousands would read these words. She was sending her ugliness far and wide, and it aimed at two esteemed Broadway colleagues, and that's just shitty. And it's just like Trump. They are narcissists who don't care, and love to create problems and controversy so they get even more attention. This "let Patti be Patti" crap is a vapid and stupid way of framing someone doing something unnecessary and nasty. In the final years of Stritch -- when there were no real actual stories to report -- she would continue to do interviews just to say mean things and the press would use this because the ugliness brought attention. (Remember when The Times went to Michigan to do a 'let's check in with Elaine' piece? ). This piece is particularly awful because Audra doesn't deserve this public treatment (no matter what her private beef is), and Kecia has serious Broadway creds and shouldn't be called a bitch in print for all of New York to read. I find it interesting that Mia Farrow and Jack O'Brien or anyone, really aren't jumping to her defense. Everyone thinks she is an awful person. By the end of "The Roommate" she and Farrow weren't speaking, and the producers had given up on her screeds.

She's certainly show business!

From show business to no business

It’s like she just can’t let other people have their moment.

Please, I’m sure Patti watched Nicole S. in Sunset and thought, “Damn. If only they’d let me stand there in a black slip all night back in the day, this role would still be mine!”

And she’d be right.

I don’t think Patti will retreat from this per se, but I do think she won’t do press for a while.

I chuckle that it is The New Yorker that brought this on. Notorious fact checkers they…she can hardly say she was misquoted.

It’s basically a transcript of her id.

Okay, R243, you argue well. Kecia Lewis is not in the same league as LuPone, and her accusations of LuPone being "racially microaggressive" and she was "rooted in privilege" was a more than a bit much.

The article portrays Patti LuPone as Margo Channing come to life. She's now a successful Broadway actress who is still consumed with self doubt. So, she assumes this nasty persona to guard her vulnerabilities. The raw, Italian American girl with the big nose from Northport lashes out at the prettier, Juilliard trained Audra MacDonald or the WASPy, more Hollywood successful Glenn Close.

The article also plays into sexist tropes...women no matter how successful will always only be jealous of other women's success. Barry Diller wrote some pretty snarky remarks about others in his memoir. He comes across as a tough cookie, overcoming failures. LuPone's a tough cookie, too, who's overcome failures. She just drops more F bombs than he does.

"Her third year, three 'advanced' students joined the class. One was Kevin Kline. 'I took an instant dislike to him'..."

Bitch, please. There wasn't a straight woman alive who took an "instant dislike" to Kevin Kline back in the day. And that was just the problem-- for you.

R250 pleeze!

Audra is from, of all the hells on earth, FRESNO.

Glenn was raised in a cult.

P.S. the “article” is almost all her own words—she chose to bash other women…don’t put that on the magazine.

Where were all these outraged people when she was trashing Glenn in the media all of these years? When Audra was palling around with Patti, did she give a thought to how Glenn felt being blamed for something she never did?

And I’m sure all of this sudden love for Kecia will no doubt lead to her getting a starring role in her own production for once, since she’s clearly a beloved veteran…..

Sure of it. Just wait……..

Thanks for that photo, r210. I had forgotten how handsome Kevin Kline was when he was young.

I also had forgotten how tall he was--I checked, and he was 6'2". (I'm sure he's less now that he's an old man.)

The only thing missing from this story is an anecdote of Patti asking someone for a fountain pen but insisting that it not be one of those lousy Ballpoints.

[quote]It reminds me of Joan Crawford's scheme to prevent Bette Davis from winning the Oscar for Baby Jane.

Miss Crawford wants me to remind you that she has nothing to do with this mess and to keep her name out of it.

Lewis appears to have something of a victim complex but then again so does LuPone, albeit drom a totally different place. Fascinating.

Sicilian women don't apologize. They nurse vendettas.

DL fave Donna Murphy commented on Paul’s instagram and was decidedly on Audra and Kecia’s side.

R260 I'm sure Patti hates her too for she always claimed Passion was intended for her.

She entered the "GET OFF MY LAWN!" phase years ago.

R259 She’s openly admitted she enjoys holding grudges. Considered them “fun”.

my favorite part of the New Yorker profile:

[quote] The press couldn’t get enough of Broadway’s breakout star mingling with New York’s home team, and rumors spread that LuPone was dating the Rangers’ curly-haired Adonis Ron Duguay. LuPone says they were just acquaintances. (She did date an Edmonton Oiler who broke her heart.) But she remembers berating Duguay when he went to “Evita” and spent part of the show flirting with his agent at the bar. He’s now dating Sarah Palin. “They’re perfect for each other,” LuPone told me. “They’re two of the stupidest human beings on the face of the earth.” Then she paused. “How do you say stupid without saying stupid? He’s a box of bricks.” (“Wow, that’s hurtful,” Duguay said, when I reached him by phone, adding, “I can’t imagine living my life being so hateful that way.”)

And as I posted above, r264, this from the man dating Sarah Palin.

Someone actually thinks that Trump would recognize Patti at the Kennedy Center? I don't think he ever will, after the clip below. He holds grudges even longer than Patti.

Ron Dugay has aged quite well. Patti, on the other hand ....

Will this lead to a campaign to “cancel” Patti? Not that she’d probably give a shit.

Patti was hot when she was younger. Her topless scene in Summer of Sam is quite something. You just wanted to suck on those tits.

The woman who loves to hold a grudge and you think she wouldn't care about being cancelled?

Matt's the lucky guy who gets to rub his face in Patti's luscious tits.

R269 I think the thread is dead now

[quote]r267 = Ron Dugay has aged quite well. Patti, on the other hand ....

...never dated Sarah Palin.

Or did she?🤔

Hi dolls, the one thing they’ll never cancel is dez titties. Ya burnt, Ziemba? HA!

We all know Trump's tastes are 100% shitty and stupid. For the next few years I assume people won't want to be "honored" by any organization controlled by him or his cult members.

We all know Trump's tastes are 100% shitty and stupid.

Look there—there’s Patti!

Posted without comment.

r277 thinks the White House needs more gold.

She’s no Jerry R279.

Why the hell was she hanging out with Dylan Mulvaney?

To gain make-up and hair tips, r281.

The microaggression mob are having a field day.

In addition to loving Evita and Les Miz, Trump is obsessed with the movie Sunset Blvd., so clearly he and Patti are drawn to the same material.

Given the troll that he is, I can imagine Trump 2.0's first line-up of Kennedy Center honorees being Patti, Bernadette, Madonna, Glenn, and Kevin Kline.

[R174], if you would not describe THAT interaction as cunty, the mind boggles as to what sort of interaction you WOULD describe that way.

He will rename it as the Andrew Lloyd Webber Center.

[quote]We all know Trump's tastes are 100% shitty and stupid.

Which he shares with 99.9% of Americans.

Jezebel?!

[quote]We're posting anonymously, she's a celebrity. Trying to suggest the two are comparable is moronic.

And suggesting that they are not is hypocritical. We're all taking great delight in this whole situation. Don't blame Patti if you can't own your own negativity.

Patti's specialty is macro-aggressions.

[quote] The microaggression mob are having a field day.

Which might be terrifying for Patti if this were still 2017.

But it's not. No one takes that term seriously anymore, not even where I work (in higher education).

LOL r190

^^^ Oops, meant r290

It works on both replies….so you know.

Has either Kecia or Audra commented at all?

…each defers to Susan Dey

If she attacked two white women in the article, would there be the same reaction? Most of the comments I see online are mostly about “Disrespectin’ Black Excellence!!!”

I wish Patti could be a kindly elder stateswoman of the theater like Helen Hayes. Instead she's Helen Lawson.

She literally (and inevitably) calls Glenn Close a bitch in the article, too, R297.

Some random (presumably white) opera singers catch strays just for being fat! 😂

Patti and Kecia should do a duet of “Hit Me” from “Death Becomes Her”

R300 or “Ebony and Ivory”

R297 funny, eh. Sometimes the truth hurts.

When the Kecia Lewis vs. Patti LuPone incident happened, I was flabbergasted that, in the days and weeks following, Patti made no comment on what Lewis's rash charge of racism. At that point, of course, Patti had mouthed off about countless aggressions and perceived aggressions against her. So I guessed that her advisers -- if such people still exist -- and probably also the producers of THE ROOMMATE had begged her not to respond, because they knew whatever she might say would be VERY strong. And indeed, now that the response has finally come, it has turned out to be very much as I had imagined it.

This microagression nonsense was a red flag to me the first time I heard about it. No one has time to deal with this bullshit and constantly having the feeling like they're at a never-ending DEI sensitivity training. People just want to live and work in peace, not walk on eggshells all the time.

“ as I had imagined it...”

And, there you go!

I would never want to know Patti Lupone personally but her cuntitude is hilarious, from afar.

R304 There’s no going back, I’m afraid. I’m not really sure which is worse or more detrimental: accusing someone of bad intentions over perceived slights and putting it out there for all to see, KNOWING that said person will never be able to push back or dispute “your truth”, or Patti’s visceral (and understandable tbh) reaction to that. As much as a cunt Patti is, I’m gonna say the former.

With Patti, it’s ALL detrimental.

Actually, the more that I think about it, I understand Patti’s “Audra should have known better”, and “she’s not a friend” comments. If Audra were Patti’s friend, wouldn’t she have replied to Kecia saying “I know you were upset, but Patti is my friend and I’ve known her for years, and I can confirm she’s NOT racist”., instead of applauding Kecia’s rash statement? So I can see where Patti was coming from.

R309 you will, unfortunately, not win a Nobel Prize this year. So sorry …

On the Merv Griffen Show 1980- she was almost kind of pretty back then. Also on the show Stockard Channing and Ethel Merman.

[quote]she was almost kind of pretty back then

Not "almost", r311, she *was* pretty.

Scott Rudin has reached out, so I heard from a friend inside Patti’s camp. He wants her to get mad & get even by signing for his latest:

KAREN! The Musical

Audra needs to beat her old white ass.

She's a type. A Long Island type. A lot of showbiz ladies grew up within a five-mile radius and they all have similarities -- they can be, um, brash: Mariah Carey, Pat Benatar, Rosie O'Donnell, Joan Jett and Edie Falco come to mind. Both my folks taught in that school where her father was the principal. They called him the Little Dictator. Don't think the apple fell far from that tree, but I love Patti because she was nice to me once, a skinny, gay kid with pimples and low self-esteem.

R266, everybody in Trump’s cabinet has a clip like that.

When Audra accepts her Tony she should say, “SUCK IT, PATTI!”

Are we sure Audra is going to beat Nicole?

R315. Lawnguyland vs. San Joaquin Valley? Oy!

At this point, I’m hoping Nicole will win. Maybe she’ll fall ill the day of the Tony’s and Patti will accept in her honor.

r318. yes.

Which got better reviews — SB or Gypsy?

Latter.

It doesn't matter, r322, in both cashes the lead actress is the sole reason for their productions.

^cases

But only Audra will get a 7th Tony

Inevitably, the New York times has picked up on this.

Patti LuPone and Audra McDonald are two of the biggest Broadway stars of recent decades. So when LuPone pointedly referred to McDonald as “not a friend” in a new interview with The New Yorker, it caused quite a stir.

LuPone made the comment when she was asked about some supportive emojis McDonald added last November to a social media post by another Broadway star, Kecia Lewis. Lewis had accused LuPone of being “racially microaggressive” after she objected to the sound levels at her Broadway show.

Here’s what we know. It began with a Broadway noise dispute.

When LuPone was on Broadway last year, starring with Mia Farrow in a play called “The Roommate,” she grew concerned about sounds audible from the Alicia Keys musical playing next door, “Hell’s Kitchen.” Noise is a frequent phenomenon on Broadway, and is especially noticeable at plays, where the sound levels tend to be lower than at musicals. LuPone said that she asked for help from the Shubert Organization, which operates the theaters, and that it was taken care of.

Kecia Lewis, who won a Tony Award for playing a piano teacher in “Hell’s Kitchen,” posted an Instagram video in November criticizing LuPone’s actions. In what she called an “open letter” about LuPone’s complaints about the musical’s noise levels, she said, “These actions, in my opinion, are bullying, they’re offensive, they are racially microaggressive, they’re rude, they’re rooted in privilege.”

She added: “Referring to a predominantly Black Broadway show as loud can unintentionally reinforce harmful stereotypes.”

What does that have to do with McDonald?

McDonald, a founding member of Black Theater United, a coalition formed to combat racism in the theater world, added supportive emojis to Lewis’s Instagram post. While comments on the post appear to have been removed, People magazine reported at the time that McDonald “simply commented with a series of emojis, writing: ‘❤️❤️👏🏾👏🏾’. ”

Are these comments out of character for LuPone?

Not really. She’s famous for her cutting remarks, which some view as refreshing candor, and others view as rude.

McDonald has a different public persona — steely, careful, diplomatic.

Both women are much-honored performers. McDonald, with six Tony Awards, has won more competitive Tony Awards than any other performer in Broadway history. She is a Tony nominee again this year for “Gypsy.” LuPone has won three Tony Awards. (cont.)

(cont.) How are people reacting to LuPone’s comments?

Not well. Multiple performers posted comments on social media expressing solidarity with Lewis and McDonald. The Tony winner Alex Newell posted, “To me what it all boils down to is the erasure of legacy,” and asking, “Y’all don’t think calling a fellow actress a bitch in major print isn’t like, crazy?” And the Tony winner Adrienne Warren expressed support for Lewis and McDonald, posting, “So many of us wouldn’t have dared to try if it weren’t for you.”

[quote]You're wrong about Don't Cry for Me Argentina. Barbra famously hated the song (and the entire concept of Evita.) I don't recall Patti mentioning anything like that in her book. And if she had, an editor/fact checker would've nixed it.

Cool your tits and read my post again, or for the first time. I said "She also said (falsely) that Barbra recorded "Argentina" before it premiered on B'way and almost released it on her album. Not true at all - Barbra publicly said he hated the song and has never sung it."

Yes, she most certainly did say this in her memoir - and Streisand fans went crazy trying to find the 'vaulted recording' of DCFMA Lupone insisted she recorded before Lupone recorded the cast album. There were so many discussions about this on Streisand forums, theater forums, ALW forums - you name it. Ardent fans and Streisand 'spokespeople' assured everyone there was no truth to what Lupone had written - Streisand hated the song, didn't like the musical, and never recorded anything from it. To this day, nothing has been discovered in 'her vaults'.

For her memoir, Lupone didn't have to have any fact-checkers (you don't have to have them when publishing a memoir, but you do have to have when publishing an autobiography - and there's a huge difference between the two). Lupone wrote 'what she remembered' - facts be damned !

Patti will never fully come back from this.

I should add, those who really wanted to believe a recording did exist made the connection that Streisand would've recorded this in the summer of 1979, when she was recording her 'Wet' album, and a ttle with 'tears in it would have fit on the album (so they believe 'it makes sense'). They've been hoping for a remastered / expanded release of the 'Wet' album since Lupone's memoir was released. in hopes that the non-existant SCFMA recording will be included.

Can you imagine being Patti's agent or manager?

They must have an ulcer the size of your fist.

And, what about her family?

Does her son call her up and say, "Ma...you gotta stop screwing the pooch with these interviews..."

r331 Is that really the best angle he could find?

She'll never get that Sports Illustrated Swimsuit cover now.

How do you think Patti is reacting to this chaos. I picture her team freaking out while she remains alternately unbothered and defiant.

This article is tame. Y’all are too damn soft.

What chaos, r336?

Nicole can’t even sing. She’s a MAGA trash fairground stripper.

I don't think her team is freaked out. She'll face no repercussions. She dramatically quit Equity and then did an Equity play with Mia Farrow.

r336 Adding Michael Schulman to her list of enemies

Americans don’t care about Broadway.

I bet back in the day Patti would light candles in her boudoir and settle down to her cherished VHS tape of Slapshot And when Michael Ontkean skated onto the ice rink wearing nothing but a jockstrap she flicked her clit to such a frenzy that when she came she let out a cry louder than a fishwife in Canarsie’s. Who, of course, is all she has ever been suitable casting for.

Oh my aching sides r343!

[quote] Patti will never fully come back from this.

Madonna never came back either. She’s a sad legacy act like Janet.

[quote] The Tony winner Alex Newell posted, “To me what it all boils down to is the erasure of legacy,” and asking, “Y’all don’t think calling a fellow actress a bitch in major print isn’t like, crazy?”

Fuck, what a pearl clutcher! No, sorry, the rest of the world is not traumatized by Patti LuPone being her bitch self and calling out other bitches for being bitches. Nobody is going to pass out on the fainting couch just because somebody you like is called a bitch.

Newell’s a they/them, what else did you expect?

Alex fatass Newell is another one who needs to be sectioned.

The big mistake Patti made was to say of Kecia Lewis, "Don’t call yourself a vet, bitch" to the writer. Now, it's almost certain the writer was gay and Patti was queening it up with him, because she loves gay men being naughty (just watch her interact with Andy Cohen in her appearances on "WWHL"), and so she almost certainly meant "bitch" in the informal gay slang sense (e.g. Rodiney Sanitago saying "Bitch please!" on reality television). It wasn't the same as angrily saying of Lewis, "She's a bitch!" But even so, Patti should know to be more professional in an interview, and so this is what she's really going to be attacked for: you just can't talk that way, even lightly, about other women in an interview. This is what she was stupid to have said.

The other things she's getting attacked for are in contrast ludicrous of the attackers. To suggest Lupone has to be respectful towards Audra McDonald's performance is ridiculous: she did not actually bad-mouth it but kept silent, and even if that silence spoke volumes, no one is ever required to like a performance if they don't like it. And Lewis's performative outrage in the letter that Lupone's comments were "racially microaggressive" and "rooted in privilege" just does not play well in this current political climate.

So I'm kind of curious to see what happens. If this stays within the theater community, it will be hard on Patti, but if this blows up more, then the Trumpian electorate fed up with DEI will become outraged much, much more at Kecia Lewis's comments and also at the theater world for the backlash against Lupone.

Now all that being said, she was generally pretty stupid in the whole interview. If she wanted to snark (via silence) over how someone played the part of Evita after her, i think most people would give her that right, since she owns the role. But Patti does not own the role of Momma Rose: she was not the first to portray it, nor is she almost anyone's choice as the greatest Momma Rose of all time (that would be Merman, Lansbury, or Tyne Daly). And she was undoubtedly trying to be funny when calling the pedestrians in the park "losers" for walking by themselves, but that just comes across as idiotically mean when you're an adult--it's middle-school mean-girl humor.

I don't think she's going to repent of what she said, but people will think less of her for this interview. But if the theater world keeps playing this up as a source of outage, I predict backlash against the backlash.

It seems you have to catch her when she’s really tired for her to give a “mellow” interview. She was interviewed for a podcast about “Sunset Boulevard” a few years ago and was far more measured on the subject than she usually is. She sounded more sad and reflective than angry.

“Y’all don’t think calling a fellow actress a bitch in major print isn’t like crazy?”

Yes. Patti is crazy. A crazy, thin-skinned gorgon with a victim complex the size of Long Island. The woman feels personally persecuted by the realities of pedestrian traffic. She blamed the occult powers of the twin cities of Minneapolis-Saint Paul for her badly received Rosalind in As You Like It. I believe the phrase is “sis, we been knew.”

She’s also an undeniable star and a fucking riot from 150 feet away.

And as a big Audra McDonald fan, it’d only make me adore her more if she was cunty enough to have dunked on Patti a few times!

I think she's tremendous.

For Audra and Will —and Gypsy

Patti can flick her bean for her brother or gay Kevin

She's been far worse to Glenn then she has to either Audra or Kecia. She called Glenn a bitch as well in this interview, and nobody seems to care. And she's basically accused Glenn of trying to destroy her career, which is pretty awful accusations to make.

I'm not surprised at Patti, but this whole thing makes me think a little less of Audra, and Donna Murphy. Both of whom have been around for decades and are well aware of Patti's shit. Where have their mouths been when Patti was going off on other actresses or more importantly, supporting players and theater staff? Audra was too busy singing with Patti and starring in shows with her to notice?

[quote] She's been far worse to Glenn then she has to either Audra or Kecia. She called Glenn a bitch as well in this interview, and nobody seems to care.

Maybe if they could only remember who Glenn was...

Yea— that’s logical: disdain for the Broadway stars who DID NOT bitch.

WTF R355

Why do posters like r347 create strawmen to argue with rather than actually argue what was said? Newell said it was crazy that LuPone called Lewis a bitch. Nothing about traumatising, or it causing people to faint.

CBS suits are getting very excited about these bitches being locked in the Big Brother house for a very special Broadway Big Brother edition. But who else to get in there along with Patti, Kecia, Glenn and Audra?

But first….

It's worse than Gaza and Ukraine combined.

R358 next time use a z and not an s.

Do better.

Nicole will most likely win the Tony anyway. Audra already holds the record for most Tonys. And no one is going to be beating that anytime soon. Plus, Gypsy has been done umpteen times already. Does Audra add anything that new to the shoe?

Nicole, on the other hand, is a bright new star with a promising future on Broadway. The theater is in desperate need of them. And it will bring more attention to a show that many have agreed is quite good.

R330 Patti did NOT claim that Barbra recorded Don't Cry For Me Argentina.

Sorry. NEVER happened.

I agree that it was inappropriate for Patti to call Ms. Lewis a bitch.

Because what Lewis is is a racist cunt of the ilk of proud stage women with their hateful, confused brains of coloratura who think that being loud and proud makes them better than their shitty lowness.

Cunt.

[quote]Does Audra add anything that new to the shoe?

Oh, [italic]hon...[/italic]

[quote] She's been far worse to Glenn then she has to either Audra

Oh, dear.

America doesn’t do Tony Awards or Broadway or any of that lame outdated bullshit. That industry is hanging on by a thread. No one cares about any of this except some ancient homosexuals or woke hags looking to complain. LuPone is known while these others are nobody to the general public.

R364 What a lack of self-awareness. You're not even worth the energy your mother should have used to swallow.

R350, get a fucking blog. Jesus.

I am dying at Shoshana Bean’s Instagram story in which she weighs in by proclaiming that “Black women’s mere existence should be honored and revered as a miracle” 😂

Even the Reddit kids are like “too much, lady!”

By the way, I’m sure Black women everywhere would happily accept Shoshana Bean no longer releasing corny R&B albums as a good first step in thanking them for their miraculous existence.

"brains of coloratura"???

Shoshana Bean is taking Ellen Pompeo's crown for most insufferable, performative white woman

[quote] Because what Lewis is is a racist cunt of the ilk of proud stage women with their hateful, confused brains of coloratura who think that being loud and proud makes them better than their shitty lowness.

Can someone please decipher this drivel for me?

[quote] Newell said it was crazy that LuPone called Lewis a bitch.

And that was moronic, pearl clutching, fainting couch horseshit. Oh, and MARY! to the point of being crazy.

Cole Escola liked Paul’s post.

Matt Doyle as well.

So it seems like the young gays who know Patti well…have turned also.

Who is Paul?

R376 he’s the editor and host of Broadway.com

elaine stritch bestie hunter ryan herdlicka is also now over pattilu

[quote] Who is Paul?

Someone you're not supposed to marry today.

Patti is an ally a thousand times over than Kecia Lewis. Patti is not afraid to call out fake racist accusations and step up and defend anyone subject to racism. Standing with Patti is not hard at all.

Patti would have marched at Selma… if only there hadn’t been so many pedestrians. Some of us have to get to work! Get out of the street!

They should have Kecia and Audra present together at the Tonys and pretend neither know why they're paired together.

[quote]If I was her publicist, I would book her on The View or something quickly to do damage control.

Yes, that's a splendid idea - let Sunny and Whoopi teach her about racism and microagression, and white divas coming from a place of privilege. What could possibly go wrong on live TV ?

Though I wouldn't mind seeing Sunny swallow her chin should Patti defend herself with :

"If Melba Moore and Phylicia Rashad were starring in 'The Roomate', and Rashad did exactly what I did about the volume coming from next door, do you think Miss Lewis would complain about it on social media ?"

R378 I love that he posted we should be over Patti LuPone “long ago” and yet his best friend forever Elaine Stritch was far meaner to everyone, drunk or not.

I'm feeling triggered. I hope I'm able to suppress these urges until November.

This whole thing was inevitable. When she was called out for being homophobic for telling Miss Lindz to come out of the closet, she simply left Twitter.

Of course she's not racist. But she should be smart enough to know that calling a black production "loud" was a landmine that she was lucky to survive the first time. For her to BRING IT BACK and exacerbate the situation is a major unforced error.

I think she's pretty much done for, the sad part is that all of this will be a big part of her obituary when she leaves us.

I still think she's the most electric performer I've been seen on a Broadway stage.

The whole thing is an unforced error. Why the New Yorker profile anyway? She’s not in anything to promote except a guest spot on And Just Like That.

I think she could have survived saying her friendship with Audra ended. She couldn’t survive black twitter, calling Kecia a bitch who’s not a veteran.

From 2007-2022, she was pretty much the reigning queen of Broadway. Now she’s Roseanne Barr

I think she'll be fine. The country is in a different mood these days, not eager to descend into hysterics about "microagressions" and nonsense for the hell of it. We're actually worried about impending fascism and other real issues. This will pass quickly as very mild tempest in a very small teacup.

She never played Electra—not good enough

R388 but her "community" is smaller than America and still very much in cancel mode.

Oh God, it's all such a drag. I fucking LOVE Patti. When I tell you what I've gone through to see her over the years... oy.

R362, Nicole us a Trumper who proudly votes against you.

Patti is probably either drunk or night right now. Or both.

She’d be three sheets to the fucking wind, R392, if only anyone in this goddamn city served sherry anymore!

[quote]But she should be smart enough to know that calling a black production "loud" was a landmine that she was lucky to survive the first time.

What an incredibly stupid statement. HELL'S KITCHEN is overamplified because it's overamplified, not because it's a "black production." LOTS of Broadway musicals these days are way overamplified. As I said when this whole conflict first came up, does anyone honestly think Patti would not have complained about the sound bleed if her show had been playing next door to THE WHO'S TOMMY, which was not a "black production" by any stretch of the imagination?

Team LuPone all the way!

If “well, we cancelled Patti LuPone” is the main thing that the American theatre community can point to in terms of what they did in the face of all the shit that is going down right, all I can say is that Todd Chrisley will be the 2026 Tony Awards host that they deserve.

R394 hey dummy. I specifically said Patti wasn't racist. But, particularly after the actress made her first public statement, it was foolhardy for Patti not to just leave it alone. All of this is 100% true

So, R397, you acknowledge that Patti is not racist, yet you think she should have simply "left alone" a completely unfair charge of racism? What kind of world would that lead to?

[quote]I'm not surprised at Patti, but this whole thing makes me think a little less of Audra

Audra has done nothing except append a few emojis to a social media post. She has not made a comment and probably won't make one, but will likely save Patti's ass by handling it professionally. Patti has every right to not like Audra's performance, but this comes across like Cruella attacking Bambi. If she had kept this about Kecia, this story would have died a quiet death. Kecia was clout chasing, and Patti fell into the trap.

r381, hats off. I literally laughed out loud.

I don't think Patti had many illusions she was going back to work on Broadway anyway. If she goes back to work again, it would be in a concert format, and I don't think the sort of B&T crowds that have flocked to see her in the past care much about what Cole Escola and Paul at Broadway World have to tweet (much less Shoshana Bean!).

Nor can I imagine her concerts would be picketed. What would the picket signs even look like?: "How Dare Patti Remain Silent in the Face of Audra's Undeniable Talent!" "Patti's Actions are Rooted in Privilege!"

Patti's producing and writing friends in LA like Ryan Murphy are unlikely to abandon her because of this bizarre sudden flurry of Broadway wokeness.

This is the GREATEST DL thread I’ve read in years. Delicious.

More preeningly performative outrage by theater nonentities and hangers-on.

Boy, if Hunter Ryan Dicklicker is over you, it must be o-vah.

R362, let’s be serious about Nicole S.

She made a name for herself by standing there and singing three ALW ballads (including Memory in Cats). She’s hardly going to set the theatre world on fire. It’s not like she’s going to play Reno Sweeney. Or even Evita.

She could do Chess.

I don’t think you can cancel Patti LuPone. You can’t even kill her, she’s risen from the dead so many times.

Also, she probably did the interview to try and get an Emmy nomination for Agatha All The Way. The whole interview is just East Coast big dick energy. She’s saying, “I might be nothing in LA but I’m Queen Bee on the East Coast!” Not sure it’ll serve its purpose.

Secrets her fans with the same level of disrespect. Shes trying so hard to be Stritch but she’s just coming off like a cunt.

She really has the same personality as Trump.

She seems nice.

Patti is guest starring on AND JUST LIKE THAT with Cynthia Nixon who just dragged SATC for being too white (although she may have just been dragging Candace Bushnell).

[quote] CBS suits are getting very excited about these bitches being locked in the Big Brother house for a very special Broadway Big Brother edition. But who else to get in there along with Patti, Kecia, Glenn and Audra?

They were going to add Megan Hilty & Jennifer Simard but they probably wouldn't show up.

[quote]It's been said on here a couple of times but if you really think Patti LuPone is not known outside of New York, you really are an idiot.

She is known outside of New York, but ONLY by musical theatre nuts.

I know a lot of people who love The Gilded Age, and they all look at me in frank disbelief when I tell them nearly everyone in it is a big Broadway musical star. Never heard of any of them, except they know Baranski from other TV. I know Patti's not in it, but I assure you it would be the same for her. The only Broadway diva you can be pretty sure ordinary people around the world might have heard of is Idina Menzel because their kids know all about Frozen, and then she made an appearance in the Wicked movie.

Patti has no defenders on Broadway.

The Tonys next week will not be kind to her.

R363

Sorry DID happen. R330 knows his FACTS

The more Broadway is in a snit, the more I love Patti. She's has no fucks to give.

Six Tonys is indeed impressive.

How many absences...this time?

She’s the best!

Just curious. For those here who watched Life Goes On, did they ever give Patti a chance to sing on the series?

[quote] Actually, the more that I think about it, I understand Patti’s “Audra should have known better”, and “she’s not a friend” comments. If Audra were Patti’s friend, wouldn’t she have replied to Kecia saying “I know you were upset, but Patti is my friend and I’ve known her for years, and I can confirm she’s NOT racist”., instead of applauding Kecia’s rash statement? So I can see where Patti was coming from.

I do not. Patti and Audra have been friends for decades. I saw them in a horrible production of "The Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny." I saw them sing a terrible version of Judy/Barbra's "Get Happy/Happy Days Are Here Again" more than once. These were terrible because Patti's voice is not a complement to Audra's voice. Still, they WERE friends once, and Patti is a bitch. If Nicole Scherzinger was worthy of praise for that dreadful "Sunset Blvd" then Audra in "Gypsy" is transcendent.

[Quote] How ironic she loathes Trujmp so much when both of them are all about airing grievances and playing the victim.

You do realize, don’t you, that not all people who like to air grievances and play the victim are friends?

[quote]Still, they WERE friends once

Did they hang out on Saturday nights and rent movies from Blockbuster?

R418, of course they did.

Patti’s character Libby had been a singer but gave it up for family. I specifically remember Libby singing “More Than You Know.

Also, Patti’s singing in the theme song.

The number of pearls being clutched on this thread is truly a thing of beauty. The number of hyperventilating Mary’s posting with their solemn pronouncements on LuPone as if their every word came down with Moses or even matters. I’m so offended they squeal.

This is like ATC at its pompous, overbearing best.

[quote] “These actions, in my opinion, are bullying, they're offensive, they are racially microaggressive, they're rude, they're rooted in privilege.”

[quote] If Audra were Patti’s friend, wouldn’t she have replied to Kecia saying “I know you were upset, but Patti is my friend and I’ve known her for years, and I can confirm she’s NOT racist”.

She called the actions "racially microaggressive." She didn't call Patti a racist.

R415 I stand corrected.

Oh God. My worst nightmare come true. I'm guessing this WILL be addressed at the Tonys. Though opaquely. I doubt they'd mention Patti by name. Maybe in a joke they will. Patti will act like she doest care, but she really will be isolated from the community in a way she never has been before

Repeat that after you note who is hosting and who’s a nominee.

R415, I had forgotten that huge error was included in Patti's ridiculous memoir. It's conceivable, though highly unlikely, that Streisand recorded "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" back then and that recording has never come to light, but it's certainly not true that a recording of that song by Streisand was released "for all to hear" before EVITA opened. Or after.

Was Patti somehow confusing Streisand with someone else, maybe Oliva Newton John? If so, that would be the first and last time those two were ever confused....

R428 I bet Patti had it on her head that it was Barbra. The editor told her no. But Patti INSISTED, and comprised and agreed to say "it was never released." Your ONJ theory is sound. I know Donna Summer did it as well, but I think later on.

Didn’t Audra herself get name-checked by Tonya Pinkins in her big Covid screed as being complicit in the general anti-Blackness of the Broadway establishment?

The truth is Audra is the most successful and celebrated American theater actress of her generation (more successful and more celebrated than Patti), she’s also a Black woman whose Blackness has seemingly never been an impediment in her career as a leading lady - and not just in “Black” roles.

I imagine she has to be conscious of how it would look if she didn’t lend her support to Black Broadway performers like Kecia Lewis who didn’t have her success trajectory.

Um, not to take anything away from her, but how many times has Audra been lauded on Broadway for non-Black roles, r430?

R430 she wakes up Black every day of her life. I imagine she neither needs, nor cares for, cheap analysis like yours.

Her first two Tony Awards, r431.

And some of her other nominations, too. Shhh!

Karen Carpenter also recorded Don't Cry For Me Argentina

LEAVE PATTI ALONE!

[quote] LEAVE PATTI ALONE!

Oh, don't worry, we will.

In order to fully atone, Patti needs to do a Cersei-style “Walk of Shame” down Broadway while the crowd throws rotten fruit and garbage, condoms filled with fresh cum, and signed copies of her various Playbills (including Hell’s Kitchen ones) at her. Kecia can be at the end of walk and she can toss a Gatorade cooler of chilled piss in her face.

Why does the cum have to be fresh, R438?

Don't Cry For Me Argentina DISCO!

Patti's a fabulous performer, and she likes to drink a little.

Thanks, R429, but read that excerpt from Patti's memoir again. She claims that she herself recorded "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" before EVITA opened in the U.S., and says that version was never released, but a recording by Streisand was released. On this point, she seems extremely confused.

During Anything Goes, was Patti getting her blow from her stand-by?

R443 She was getting it from me.

[quote] Patti LuPone drags EVERYTHING in The New Yorker: Trump, Audra, pedestrians, hockey teams, a raccoon, HELL'S KITCHEN

My omission from this title is a MICROAGGRESSION!

R443 she was blowing her stand-by!

Donna Murphy posted a lengthy post praising Kecia and Audra and asked why someone (LuPone) would go out of their way to tear down another artist.

Mia Farrow hearted it

So I guess the rumors of them no longer speaking is accurate

Ya think?

I smell a loser.

—typing from Northport, Lawn Guyland

I get the impression that many people in the Broadway community were waiting for something like this to happen to Dame LuPone because so many were sick of her shit and jumped at the opportunity to side with Lewis and McDonald to send their message loud and clear.

Patti's stage career is long over. Her singing voice is shot, and she can't carry a play, as evidenced by The Roommate's lack of success. Instead of being a grande dame of the Broadway stage in her dotage, like Lansbury, she's chosen to be bitter and nasty.

“ she's chosen to CONTINUE TO be bitter and nasty.”

She played an old high dyke in The Roommate. It wasn’t much of a stretch.

So just to summarize for clarity:

Patti LuPone was appearing in a play - not a musical - where the theater in which she was performing shared a wall with another theater where a musical that was notorious for being extremely loud was playing. The sound was funneling into the theater where Patti was performing, which proved an audience distraction and compromised the experience.

Patti privately contacted the theater owners to see if a solution could be found to this issue. They found one and Patti expressed gratitude and even sent flowers to show her appreciation for their efforts.

Then, one of the stars of the musical posts a long video on social media using loaded language that heavily implied Patti was a privileged racist.

When sitting for an interview with The New Yorker, the journalist asked Patti about the incident and Patti questioned the woman’s credentials and called her a bitch.

And now, lonely and purposeless online attention addicts are calling Patti a racist.

Any errors here? I don’t believe so.

Like the proverbial, broken clock or blind squirrel, Patti is in the right here. She actually took the high road to privately resolve an issue and in return a marginally known regional theater actress used the occasion to virtue signal in the sewer known as social media for the purpose of getting attention for herself by labeling Patti something that can destroy careers and livelihoods. She didn’t directly contact her fellow “veteran” with her concerns, she just attacked her publicly on social media, knowing the perpetually offended will go into a frenzy without using any critical thinking or even knowing all the details.

To do that, knowing full well what the fallout will be, is the very definition of privilege.

Patti LuPone is no prize and is a thundercunt’s thundercunt, but she’s an equal opportunity thundercunt. The same people getting their outrage fix with this have zero issues with her also labeling Glenn Close a bitch in the same story. Or the countless other shocking and cruel things she’s said about white performers like Madonna and Uma Thurman.

This is performative bullshit at its worst and should be called out as such.

Patti was wrong about one thing. Kecia Lewis isn’t a bitch. She’s a pathetic, manipulative, privileged, racist bitch with the maturity of a 15-year-old girl.

Fuck that tragic clown.

R453 nails it completely. I could have written that post myself, though probably not as well. It really is acutely ironic that, after years of trashing her fellow artists and generally behaving as a bitch from hell, Patti is getting all this blow back about a rare situation in which she was actually in the right and her behavior was exemplary, at least at first.

Microaggressions!!! Privilege!!!! Misogynoir!!!! Non-binary!!! Queer!!!! Reparations!!!! Twitter!!! Pronouns!!! They/Them!!! Evil white people!!!!

Misogynoir!!!

Misogynoir!!!

MISOGYNOOOOOOOOOIIIIIRRRRRR!!!

🤯

Did you all know Patsy LuPone is in the new series of And Just Like That? She plays the sister of the super hung Italian poet who stole the heart of Anthony Marentino.

Patsy and Rosie in the same tv show!

I don’t have editing skills, but this is Patti

R453 will star on Broadway in the fall: The Reincarnation of Sammy Glick—A Musical!

R453 Addison DeWitt has entered the thread to settle this matter once and for all.

Did Patti ever play the Schubert in the City? ;)

[quote]does anyone honestly think Patti would not have complained about the sound bleed if her show had been playing next door to THE WHO'S TOMMY, which was not a "black production" by any stretch of the imagination?

Yes. She wou'd ve complained whatever it was.

[quote]Donna Murphy posted a lengthy post praising Kecia and Audra and asked why someone (LuPone) would go out of their way to tear down another artist.

Donna "Is She Missing Another Performance" Murphy took the time to scribble?

No one outside of the gay community or the Broadway community cares. No.One.Cares. Microaggression? What the fuck is that, the rest of the country asks.

No

One

Cares

Say it louder so the people in the back row can hear, dear, r463!

Sing out, R464.

Patti would not consider Donna Murphy a VET so sit down, bitch!

Meanwhile Argentina had ALREADY been performed by Julie Covington and La Paige!

Kecia has been through so much already, especially with the Dr. Luke thing. How could Patti be so mean?

Patti’s been shitty to everyone she has ever met for 40 years.

People have been chomping at the bit to take her down.

She stupidly gave them a reason to do so…and they did.

I’m telling you…she’s Roseanne Barr, without the MAGA angle.

The more unhinged these rants become, I wonder if she’s “sundowning”, an early sign of dementia. It’s what happened to poor Diane Keaton, who steadily became increasingly defensive, paranoid, and aggressive. It was the first sign of her mental decline.

I guess we have to be grateful Patti has the son, otherwise she’d be living her last years like Stritch after they kicked her out of the Carlyle and she moved back to Michigan.

All alone and calling Hunter every night and drunkenly crying on the phone, asking why Liz Smith and Barbara Cook “dropped” her as a friend.

If being defensive, paranoid, and aggressive are the primary symptoms, then it seems Patti's been "sundowning" since high school.

Can you imagine if Patti was your Ma? Or Meemaw?!

[quote]Did Patti ever play the Schubert in the City? ;)

There is no "c" in Shubert. That was a stupid mistake, easy to spot, not worthy of you!

R368 lacks any awareness but that of herself, which doesn't assist with any but formulaic language.

Patti LuPone is "every other Sicilian-Italian mom" I grew up with in East Falls, Roxborough and S Philly.

Some hold "old grudges" 4ever, some don't give a shit.

R453 is right.

What are the current rumours about what happened between Patti and Mia during “The Roommate”?

Patti fixing this mess, once and for all

Mia is bitch.

I was hoping you would know that I saw The Roommate twice, Patti& Mia were wonderful.

I got insulted by Mia and Patti for divorcing my wonderful ex-wife. That was funny!!

“ I was hoping you would know that I saw The Roommate twice,”

I did and I marked your attendance on my “The Men of Phillywhore’s Boudoir” calendar.

Like some in this thread I am VERY interested in knowing more about the fallout between Patti and Audra.

I think what has truly been eye opening is how hated Patti is by the community.

So many people have posted things on instagram/twitter/facebook and so many colleagues and former co-stars/friends have piled on.

I think people were waiting for a moment like this to happen.

How did she win a Tony two years ago?!

Patti LuPone?

FOTZE!

Ja!

R470, there have been rumblings on DL before about Diane Keaton having dementia. Any more info about that?

I have no idea if anything specific happened between Mia and Patti on THE ROOMMATE. But my strong guess is that Patti was simply infuriated because Mia got all the best reviews and most of the attention for the show, PLUS a Tony nomination, which Patti did not receive. Don't you think all of that is more than enough to send Ms. LuPone into a tailspin?

Patti and Mia-when an insane, aggressive force (Patti) meets an insane, passive-aggressive object (Mia).

[quote] So many people have posted things on instagram/twitter/facebook

Who cares what people post on social media? They’re trashy attention whores no different than that gutless bitch Kecia Lewis, whose social media chicanery is what started this whole mess.

Two days ago, 99 percent of the country had no idea who that twat was. Today, that number is 98.9 percent.

I hope it was worth it to falsely label someone a racist. LuPone very troubling at times and downright nasty, but no one should be falsely accused of being a racist in the name of cheap online attention.

Fuck that nobody.

Thank You, R415. I didn't have the interest in posting directly from her memoir just to educate R363 (who suddenly went silent).

As I said before, her mistake caused everyone in StreisandLand to go crazy looking for this 'recording' of 'DCFMA' Lupone said Barbra recorded. The fact that she would've recorded it in 1979, while she was recording 'Wet', only added more fuel to the fire. It has 'Cry' in the title, so it's connected to water ! I think there are still some die-hards who believe this recording truly exists, and it will eventually be released in the future.

R489 I didn't go silent. Take a peep at R425.

R490 You didn't address me in your posts, the one you defiantly claimed was 'wrong!'. To me, that's a deafening silence.

The race angle is irrelevant. The problem with Patti is that she's very insecure, despite the bravado, and is always quick to attack another woman. Madonna, Streisand, Audra, Close, etc., have all been verbally attacked by her. She's bitter and resentful towards women more successful than her. That type of behavior is no longer acceptable in 2025.

[quote]Meanwhile Argentina had ALREADY been performed by Julie Covington and La Paige!

But hardly anyone in the US heard those recordings, as 'import cast recordings' weren't really all that accessible in 1979 (very rare for record stores to carry as they were extremely expensive and not in high demand).

Patti's bitter because she never had a movie career.

[quote]I think what has truly been eye opening is how hated Patti is by the community.

She had it comin'.

[quote]Patti's bitter because she never had a movie career.

With that puss?

I bet her great-great-aunt, Adelina Patti, is rolling in her grave over her niece's classless behavior.

[QUOTE] You didn't address me in your posts, the one you defiantly claimed was 'wrong!'. To me, that's a deafening silence.

I’m not R363 (or later iterations) but this quote is giving Trump.

Patti's mouth and attitude helped make her famous. The late night TV talk show hosts have been making Patti LuPone jokes for years about her tough love with audiences. Plus the whole Sunset Blvd scandal. She's starred in a groundbreaking TV show, Life Goes On. She was just in a huge Disney/Marvel hit show that got tons of press. She was in Driving Miss Daisy. And, then there's the legendary B'way career which includes Evita and starring in hit shows. She's not an unknown outside Manhattan or only known by theater lovers. She's one of the last of the Big Broadway Stars who have name recognition beyond just Broadway.

Audra is a well respected, much awarded B'way theater actress. She really is most famous for having lots of Tony Awards. She has had two successful TV shows though both of them had considerable smaller viewership than Life Goes On, which aired before cable/streaming fractured audiences. She's done films but nothing huge. Audra McDonald is really a very talented actress/singer who is pretty much only known nationally by hardcore musical theater fans. Sadly, she doesn't have enough of them to actually result in big box office for her B'way outings. She's most famous on DL for being a fan of Chipotle.

NEVER FORGET! This is one of her credits.

I wonder if they'll edit her out of And Just Like That

My two cents: Patti would have probably not said these things had this been an on-camera interview. This interview was A LOT. I'd bet Patti got comfortable with this journalist after several sittings and let her guard down. Perhaps there was even more than a little sherry drinking going on. I mean when was the last time Patti had a profile article of this length? Ever?

I, for one, am behind her 1000%.

[quote]She's most famous on DL for being a fan of Chipotle.

Among our more tiresome posters, anyway.

An of-average talented Negro actress once in a lead role opens her mouth and causes this ...Kecia was dead wrong, got her ink.

[quote]Meanwhile Argentina had ALREADY been performed by Julie Covington and La Paige!

[quote]But hardly anyone in the US heard those recordings, as 'import cast recordings' weren't really all that accessible in 1979 (very rare for record stores to carry as they were extremely expensive and not in high demand)

That may be correct about the Paige recording, but Julie Covington is Evita on the concept album, which was very easily accessible in the U.S. and I'm sure sold very, very well here. I know I had a copy!

[quote] I wonder if they'll edit her out of And Just Like That

She must be edited out and cancelled immediately! A hunger strike to start!

Misogynoir! Trans rights! Palestine! Forgive student loans!

What else am I missing…? Queer nonbinary microagressions!

Destroy her! Cut off her tits and give those to a trans woman! Wake up, people!

Don't mind the petulant MAGA cunt R474. Bitch is just hangry because I mentioned swallowing in my earlier post. Can't you hear the dinner bell ringing, you fat whore? Run!

You fucking pigs always make me laugh. I despise theatre and clearly do not live in New York City! However, your passion for this shit never cease to amaze me.

That being said.

I stand with Patti!

Patti Duke Astin, you are LOVED. And we support you!

I stand with Patti!

I stand with Patti!

Cunt

I stand with Patti!

I stand with Patti!

I stand with Patti!

I stand with Patti!

I stand with Patti!

I stand with Patti!

I stand with Patti!

I stand with Patti!

I stand with Patti!

I stand with Patti

[quote] That may be correct about the Paige recording, but Julie Covington is Evita on the concept album, which was very easily accessible in the U.S. and I'm sure sold very, very well here. I know I had a copy!

Very easily accessible in the U.S.??? Where ???

I and my theater friends searched high and low in the metro Boston area, Providence area and Hartford area back in the day (1979 - 1990s) before giving up. Never found it. I finally came across it - by mistake - at Virgin Records in Times Sq around 20 years ago on CD. They had one used copy - and the price was outrageous, though I still bought it.

Doesn’t look like EVITA charted in the US. It sold 700k copies globally according to Wikipedia.

Team Patti, always.

“…what a beautiful day!”

I stand with Patti!

I had the concept album with Julie Covington long before the Broadway cast album. If I recall, I bought it at Tower records in San Francisco in the late 70s.

I stand with Applebee’s!

Did you all buy Disco Evita too?

With a knick-knack Patti whack!

[quote]Very easily accessible in the U.S.??? Where ??? I and my theater friends searched high and low in the metro Boston area, Providence area and Hartford area back in the day (1979 - 1990s) before giving up. Never found it.

I'm very surprised to hear that. The EVITA concept album was on the MCA label, and I had the impression it was very easy to find at record stores in the U.S. At the time, I was living in a suburb of NYC, and that's where I found it in a regular, non-exotic record store.

Slap her, Audra! Hit her!

We'll print up T-shirts! "I SLAPPED PATTI LUPONE!"

My very dead father stands by Patti!

R491 HUH? I said "I stand corrected." What more could I have said? I wasn't silent. I admitted I was wrong. I don't understand.

I stand with Patti Patts! The ORIGINAL LA "ANNIE"!

R491 Not only did I admit I was wrong at R425, I expounded on it at R429. What else would you have had me do?

I'm so confused.

Someone take the "I Stand With Patti!" poster out behind the barn and shoot them in the nuts.

It's all SO stupid and the outrage seems over the top. BUT, flip side, anyone with just a bit of common sense would know that this situation could easily blow up exactly as it has.

the original MCA Evita concept album was available in the southwest in 1976 in a US release... R532

I can't imagine a store like Sam Goody in the Northeast couldn't have placed an order if they were out of stock.

my memory was MCA was expecting the JC Superstar fans to buy it...

but it never took off in the mid 70s in the US... that's what made the London stage success such a surprise.

R538, that creature doesn’t have nuts, and it’s driven it over the edge

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I think what has truly been eye opening is how hated Patti is by the community.

"So many people have posted things on instagram/twitter/facebook and so many colleagues and former co-stars/friends have piled on.

I think people were waiting for a moment like this to happen.

How did she win a Tony two years ago?!"

It seems people genuinely think she's talented and maybe that was the bulk of it. In this situation, the people who actually like/support her are probably staying silent so they don't get tagged with "aiding and abetting a racist." I'd think at least a subset of the Broadway community actually don't hate her, even if they don't love her as a person. Plus, at least some (not all but some) of the people publicly claiming "she's the worst, we support Kecia and Audra" are just virtue signaling for their own benefit and probably don't care to the degree they're claiming (though, again, some people are being genuine). "I was on the right side when this happened."

Enough with that I Stand With Patti shit.

This is a damn good response to the hullabaloo:

This won’t destroy her….it will MAKE her. I want to hear her insult more people! I’m all the fuck in. She doesn’t seem to care that she’s alienated 1/2 of the theater world, so why not trash the other half?

The thing that surprised and disappointed me in that article was her level of self pity. All that talk of having such a hard life. Why? Because ALW fired you? What else has been hard?

But lived everything else in the article and love her. And you know she’s totally unrepentant for what she said in the article.

R544, are you new? LuPone has been a ceaseless font of self-pity forever. In terms of relentless narcissism and a total lack of self-reflection, the comparisons to Trump aren't inapt.

It's absurd how many people (here and elsewhere) celebrate her for "having zero fucks to give" or whatever when in fact she's constantly reminding us how many grudges she's nursed and for how long. She was ROBBED of her rightful Tony for ANYTHING GOES because the Baker's Wife is "NOT a leading lady." Lloyd Webber's writing for Evita PROVES that he "hates women." Bill Smitrovich was a total asshole to poor shrinking violet Patti. Glenn NEVER APOLOGIZED (for doing nothing wrong). She never even CALLED Patti (just like Patti never called her predecessors in the lead role of BAKER'S WIFE). And on and on and on.

But no. We have to forgive her everything, because she's a STAH and a DIVA and YAS KWEEN WE LOVE OVER-THE-TOP BALL-BUSTER WOMEN. Talk about privilege.

Bitch called me a brokedown diva.

[quote] She's starred in a groundbreaking TV show, Life Goes On.

Oh, honey, nothing was "groundbreaking" about that forgettable series. It certainly wasn't in the same pantheon of other shows from that era. No one talks about it or even remembers that she was even in a network series.

Try again.

Here's a news item to unite the Broadway scolds, the TERFs, and the chaste gay teen drama haters: Joe Locke and Dylan Mulvaney took our Patti to the Abbey, and she had the time of her life! Rip them to shreds, girls! Pool your obsessive scorn into tearing down this new axis of evil!

[quote]Very easily accessible in the U.S.??? Where ??? I and my theater friends searched high and low in the metro Boston area, Providence area and Hartford area back in the day (1979 - 1990s) before giving up. Never found it.

I bought it at the Sam Goody in Livingston (NJ) Mall, freshman year of college. I still have it.

[quote]During Anything Goes, was Patti getting her blow from her stand-by?

No, someone named Gabriel.

[quote]It's absurd how many people (here and elsewhere) celebrate her for "having zero fucks to give" or whatever when in fact she's constantly reminding us how many grudges she's nursed and for how long.

Some people apparently have a perverse admiration for others who behave as Patti does, because (a) they find it weirdly entertaining, and (b) the bitchy diva attitude isn't aimed at them. Needless to say, if they were ever a personal target of one of her raging fits, they would feel quite differently.

As much as I love Patti from the first time I heard the 'Evita' recording, and as much as I stand solidly on her side about letting the producers know about the sound-bleed through the walls, I'm tired of her.

As a 76 year old B'way legend, she needs to remember her own criticism of others : She forgets that she's in public.

Let her keep her thoughts about everyone else to herself, or to close friends and family - not in the pages of the 'New Yorker'. You're in public when you're doing this, Patti, and you're forgetting.

When asked about Lewis' instagram post, she should take the high road. Shrug your shoulders, and smile. Say nothing and let everyone guess what your thoughts are (this works like magic). When Audra is brought up, politely smile and say, "It's a great show to do..." and leave it at that. Leave'em guessing.

Act like a legend, Patti - you deserve to treat yourself better.

Does anyone remember Patti's stand-by in AG?

Initials L.H.

So when Audra accepts the Tony will she honor Ethel, Angela, Tyne and Bernadette?

…. and Steve “for his words”

And Betty Buckley for her Papermill playhouse triumph!

That poor raccoon.

She likes being abrasive and controversial and saying what she feels. I find it refreshing. I think that's always been her personality though.

It's not that she has THAT much power or anything - so to have someone be brutally honest is fine with me. We never get that anymore.

She only has a few years left - let her say what she wants to say. Yes, she's bitter - perhaps for good reason, perhaps not - but who cares?

R555 reminded me of Madonna. On the liner notes of the I'm Breathless CD (1990), which includes the Dick Tracy songs, she thanks X for this and Y for that, and "Stephen Sondheim, for the privilege."

I was quite impressed she understood the pecking order correctly.

She should run for President as a Dem. She’d have Trump levels of support.

[quote] She only has a few years left

You might well think that, BUT!

R558, if that's your attitude, you yourself must be a real joy as a friend and in social situations. (That's sarcasm.)

R559 I think it's a cool part of Madonna's legacy that musical theater's greatest living composer at that time wrote three songs specifically for her. This is probably something that also angers Patti as these are bragging rights that every contemporary Broadway diva would love to have.

Its interesting to see the virtue signaling by such former "friends" as Cole Escola for whom Patti made a promo for OH MARY! before it opened.

No matter who you are, nobody is your friend on Broadway.

[quote]but who cares?

Look around, hon. You're on a thread with 563 posts.

R523 I bought a copy of the concept album in 1977 in Boston and lent it to Jim Poppen, a neurosurgeon at the Lahey Clinic who’d operated on Eva Perón shortly before her death in 1952. I’d heard a friend’s copy of the album, bought mine, and Dr. Poppen wanted to hear it.

He gave me a copy of his privately-printed book, “Peron the Man” I still have somewhere. And told me if I wanted more that he had hundreds of extra copies in the basement at home as it was published shortly before Peron was ousted in a coup in 1955.

He had some regrets, he said, in his role as one of her surgeons.

Audra responded and the clip is on instagram. She basically says she hasn’t seen Patti in over 10 years, has no idea what rift happened, and told Gayle King to ask Patti!

Ouch!

R567 where did you see it on Instagram? I don’t see anything on her official IG or her stories

I saw her in The Roommate and she was fine, her dizz-ball friend, Mia Farrow, was hard to watch. If sound was bleeding through the walls because of the overly loud music next door, she had every right to say something.

R568, the Instagram post is in the article at R569.

R568 also it’s on CBS mornings instagram page :)

Petty LuPone

Ask Pat!

Ask Pat!

Ask Pat!

Ask Pat-

What happened between you and Patti?

"Ask Pat.".

Speaking of Patti and drag:

Have you noticed she sort of looks like Adrian Brody in drag?

r537: GREAT response from Audra.

552: That is a very astute post. If Patti had kept with her beautiful anti-Trump screeds, bitching about tourists, Broadway in general and even her comment on burning the Kennedy Center down she would have maintained her "Well, that's Patti!" outrageousness her fans (and I found myself as one) cherish. She could have refrained from attacking colleagues past and present, and simply lied through her teeth about her feelings about Audra and GYPSY and there would be no outrage. You don't snark about the Queen of Broadway and not expect blowback. She could have even said "You're not Broadway royalty, dear" instead of "bitch".

I feel Patti LuPone is fabulous!!

[quote] You don't snark about the Queen of Broadway and not expect blowback.

If Audra is the Queen of Broadway, it is in the same sense that Camilla is currently the Queen of the United Kingdom.

Whereas I am Elizabeth II... but alive!

I wish Audra wouldn't take the high road with this bitch. When it comes to bullies like Patti, the only way to make them understand is to give them a taste of their own medicine. The problem is nobody has ever done that with her, so she continues to be a habitual line stepper because people chose to treat her cuntiness with kid gloves.

She needs to be verbally slapped down one good time, and then she'll stop. She's obviously an insecure woman with an easily bruised ego, so it shouldn't be that hard to take her down a notch. It doesn't really matter if she apologies or not. The point is if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all. It's hard to believe that needs to be explained to a 76 years old woman.

How is Audra Whoever the Queen of Broadway? Nobody has ever heard of her. Everybody knows who Patti LuPone is.

R582. Audra acting unbothered is the perfect response. Stating that she has spoken to Patti in 10 years and doesn't know what the problem is pretty much says 'i don't miss her.'. Now that's a burn.

[quote] Everybody knows who Patti LuPone is.

Talk about delusional.

You sure about that, R583? Or are you like so many others today -- "My perception is reality"?

My guess is that People nowadays are far more likely to know McDonald than LuPone -- AM having been a regular in series like PRIVATE PRACTICE and THE GOOD FIGHT, plus continuing to sell plenty of tickets at Pops concerts, making appearances on THE TONIGHT SHOW, etc.

I find it fascinating that Patti is getting such tremendous blow back specifically for her comments on Kecia Lewis and Audra McDonald, when in my opinion she has been saying and doing far worse things for decades. Yes, I know, sometimes there is a tipping point with people like Patti, but I'm surprised it's this one.

[quote]I wish Audra wouldn't take the high road with this bitch. When it comes to bullies like Patti, the only way to make them understand is to give them a taste of their own medicine. The problem is nobody has ever done that with her, so she continues to be a habitual line stepper because people chose to treat her cuntiness with kid gloves.

But that's just not Audra's responsibility, even if that's your special wish.

The only way Patti can do Audra harm is if Audra takes the bait and responds in kind and comes off as equally bitchy. Since Patti has zero power over her and so far all the sympathy has been with Audra, why would she want to risk harming her reputation as a gracious performer who does not act like a prima donna? It makes far more sense for Audra to act dignified and let others snipe at Patti since they've been willing to do that this time.

My guess is that if Audra wins the Tony yet again, she will not even mention Patti's attack--by not mentioning it and acting graciously, it will just make Patti seem all the more pathetic, as if her cuntiness is simply beneath Audra's dignity.

Part 2, if we need it

I’ve seen it pointed out that no male entertainer in today’s world would have anyone on his side if he behaved like Patti does. There be no “Yass Kweens” celebrating a man treating everyone in such a condescending fashion.

BAJOUR, BITCH!

Too soon?

R587 - Kecia made it about race and privilege. That's why the blowback. And Patti fell into the trap.

Nathan Lane:

"Uh, there's only one Queen of Broadway, baby...and, it's not the bitch who can't fill seats at the Majestic..."

[quote] There be no “Yass Kweens” celebrating a man treating everyone in such a condescending fashion.

Mafuckin!!

I’m beginning to wonder why anyone wants to be in the public eye. Everything is so fraught and so much of whatever was once fun about it has disappeared.

Actually, r595, given how badly Patti has behaved for decades, it's a wonder she's not been under the threat of cancellation before this (although I still doubt that anyone will be able to truly cancel her given her lack of desire to work on Broadway anymore).

Because the idea of cancellation is quite new, R596. Being mouthy was not only tolerated from a Broadway diva, but it was almost expected. I’m not defending everything Patti said or some of her other antics, but this would have played out differently in the last century.

R582 I don't think Patti is the kind of bully to give up when they receive pushback or the same treatment back. People like Patti thrive on conflict, and are adept at making themselves out to be the victim, so the drama would just continue. Glenn Close offered an olive branch, per the article, and Patti still can't let it go. Audra knows this and refuses to play along.

tl:dr never wrestle with a pig because you'll both get dirty and the pig likes it.

R470 R485 It's Diane's brother who has dementia. Diane's mother died from Alzheimer's disease.

Good point R598 that's very true. R595 I'm sure she burned a lot of bridges over the years due to that mouth. A breaking point doesn't have to be big it just has to break or also known as the the reason. She handed everyone the reason on a silver platter. It couldn't have happened to a nicer cunt like Patti.