The White Lotus Season 3 Part 8

People didn’t “miss’ that no one cared. It just wasn’t much of a payoff. Why bother with the character at all? Just because people are used to the manager being a character?

When did Scott Glenn get so fucking old? I kept hoping it was because of a great make-up artist.

Why bother with the character? Because he's the fucking manager, that's why. Can't have a White Lotus season without featuring the manager. And Mike White said in the past this season wouldn't focus on that person as much and this was his jokey way of delivering on that "promise" – all that buildup and then cutting away after three seconds. I thought it was hilarious.

Last season was always going to be hard to live up to.

With one episode left I think we can safely say this has been a disappointment. Saxon has turned into a more interesting character this episode (7) but there isn't enough racetrack left to allow that to play out.

Sritala is a ladyboy. Is that going ro be the big reveal?

r2 He looked ancient already on the Daredevil show back in 2015, but they did great with the body double, so the fighting looked seamless.

I couldn't help but stare at his numerous forearm veins, I guess that'll happen to all the gym rats eventually.

[quote] Can't have a White Lotus season without featuring the manager.

Actually, we can.

We have the owners this year. We don’t need the manager and the point is he has been given very little to do.

[quote]Last season was always going to be hard to live up to.

Apart from the Tanya stuff and the location shots, I didn't care for last season at all. So that's not a tall order for me personally.

Unpopular opinion: this show is boring and overrated.

Owners aren't flying around the resort taking orders from those high-end guests. For fuck sake, just stop.

Thanks for sharing r8. Please come back and tell us every week.

I don’t find anything Saxon did or said to be particularly interesting. He’s just being set up to be killed by his father. Both the wife and son just happen to say to the suicidal father “I’m nothing without your money.” Who talks like that?

I want Aleksei to feed me like this, after he's fucked but before he's scammed me.

He was great in Shadow and Bone, by the way.

So do you think the manager has been an interesting character given meaningful plot points?

As has been stated a couple of times r13 the manager was a season-long set-up for a mean punchline, which culimnated with last night's hilarious cut-away - everything doesn't have to have MEANINGGGGGGGGGGGG you humorless slag

So that’s a “no.”

You don't understand the difference between main and recurring cast, do you?

I'm actually surprised Saxon didn't agree to the odd 3-way. He came across as such a fraternity type pussyhound.

I don’t care if he “main” or not. We spent a bunch of time focusing on his desire to perform and the payoff was lacking. I’m glad you enjoyed the fabulous joke. It’ seems about your speed.

Episode seven was kind of unsettling and ominous. Rick seems like the obvious choice to be the one to die. Sritala's bodyguards will remember/recognize him at the resort, which will lead to an altercation. Gaitok will intervene and have to use the gun, which will later impress Mook and Sritala. The Russians will join in, thinking they've been caught. Chaos ensues.

Piper will decide not to stay at the monastery, and Loch will follow her. Again. Tim will think about poisoning everyone with the fruit (as hinted in the preview for the final episode), but will back off in the end. Again. Saxon will get his phone back and find out what's really going on. With Rick dead and Saxon's entire life destroyed, he and Chelsea will run off together.

Belinda being so ride or die for Tanya makes no sense. Belinda only knew her for a few days, and Tanya screwed her over. There's no reason for her to stay loyal.

One episode left, but I've seen enough to say this season has been a letdown. Not entirely a disappointment, just really underwhelming.

Fabian dismissed Belinda’s concerns and fear, told her she’d “survive”, he doesn’t deserve any attention.

Wouldn't Gwyneth Paltry be perfect as a rich, entitled bitch for Season 4? She even has her new face and it looks fab! Here's Gwynnie gassing on about balancing family with her storied movie career... and it's with VF, natch, not Redbook with Barbara Bennett!

Way too on the nose. A big NO.

She’d throw off the balance of the show, which is really an ensemble showcase for Hollywood B-listers and foreign actors, but I think it’d be way more fun to watch Goop play a slightly trashy, over-the-hill concierge who is desperate to become manager, but doomed to be overlooked.

[quote] When did Scott Glenn get so fucking old? I kept hoping it was because of a great make-up artist.

According to wikipedia, Scott Glenn is somewhere between 83 and 87 years old.

He IS old.

[QUOTE] Again, you not believing in monogamy has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BETRAYAL OF A FRIEND.

This Frau post from the end of the last thread had me howling.

R19 Tanya didn’t totally fuck her over though. That was a nice stack of cash to give her as a consolation prize. I do credit the show for nuances like that that interject some ambiguity into people’s motivations.

Scott’s character is probably grateful for Rick. Now he has something fun to do. He seemed like a guy totally bored with his life now that he’s at the top. He should go to the White Lotus himself and have a ‘chat’ with Rick.

How far away from Bangkok is the White Lotus? Do we know?

My money is on Rick and possibly Chelsea being the murder victims. All other storylines will fall flat as there isn’t sufficient time left to give them much depth. It’s probably the worst of the three seasons. A lot of edging but very little payoff.

Far enough that it took a plane ride for Rick to get to Bangkok.

That Aleksei is a hot little piece. If I had my pick of the men this season, I’d take him. Wait, Zion first, then Aleksei.

I really hope Chelsea doesn't die, but like others I have a bad feeling.

Zion's eyes are so wide set. He looks like E.T.

I'm a recent fan of the show.

I started binge watching Seasons 1 and 2, about a week after Season 3 started.

With that said, I really feel like this season has been a HUGE disappointment.

Even if the last episode turns out to be amazing, I would still consider this season (as a whole) to be a failure.

I understand that Mike White must be under a lot of pressure, with two very successful seasons under his belt, he's the toast of the town with the hottest show on television, MAX is probably throwing money at him, stars are clamoring to work with him, he's attending awards shows and winning awards, he's traveling the world, and he's probably on a major high.

Unfortunately, I think the pressure is getting to him. Especially considering that prior to 2020, he was a pretty obscure actor, writer, and reality tv personality. Now, he's VERY famous.

Overall, I'd have to say that the writing this season was very weak, with the exception of episodes one and six.

It almost seems like season three was a retread/mashup of the two previous seasons, except not as well written.

You know how in high school and college, when you have a paper due, and you rush at the last minute to get it done, but it's absolute crap?

Yeah, that's what this season felt like. Mike White got it done, but it wasn't great.

At this point, I think he needs to bite the bullet and realize that he could benefit from a team of writers, and not rely on himself to be the sole writer AND director of the show.

I understand that he wants the glory, but he can't do it all and still expect the quality to be good. Not after three seasons.

Parker Posey and Sam Rockwell were the only saving graces of this season. Without their comedic relief, this season would have been an absolute disaster.

I still don't care much about the three cougar friends. Their story just wasn't compelling. Even after the long awaited fight during dinner, they didn't go as far as I hoped. I thought it would be a knock down drag out (finally getting it all off their chests) type of insult hurling, nasty brawl. But instead, it was just a few insults hurled at each other, with one leaving the table, and the other two going to bed. It was beyond underwhelming.

I learned about as much about the Ratliff family after seven episodes, as I did in the first episode. Can anyone honestly say that after watching episode one, that there has been any major change in their story, or that you learned a lot more about them by episode seven? I can't.

Same for Gaitok and Mook. She was brushing him off in episode one, while he was pining for her. And by episode seven, it was the same thing.

Then there's the ridiculous scene with Frank and Rick at Sritala's home. Much like the interaction between them in episode six, they were woefully unprepared to handle her questions, and she was ridiculously buying all of their bullshit. Which is so stupid, considering how smart and savvy Sritala seemed to be in the first few episodes of the season. Frank's answers to her questions were completely ridiculous, and somehow, all she managed was a raised eyebrow? C'mon now.

And you want to talk about underwhelming? Rick's confrontation with his father's killer turned out to be just a big nothing burger. "Oh, I just looked at him and saw a frail, old man. So I pushed him over." After all the drama we saw him go through in the first four episodes? Ugh.

In the end, my guess is that after Rick pushed the old man over, he died from brain bleeding due to head trauma. Sritala is so distraught, she returns to the hotel and kills Rick. A perfectly ridiculous ending, to a perfectly ridiculous story line.

The only ones left are Greg and Belinda, and I don't know what other options there would be to resolve their story by episode eight, other than he kills her, or she takes the money and opens up her own spa.

As I said before, MAX needs to convince Mike White to hire a small team of writers. Otherwise, I don't see this show getting any better.

Weren't both of the previous season finales of this show more than one hour long?

I've been a little disappointed with the writing this season too, but one thing Mike White is very good at is packing a lot of unexpected twists into season finales that settle the plotlines (unless he wants to continue them the next season).

The only thing I feel safe predicting is that since the preview for the final episode purposefully seems to make you believe Timothy is going to put the poisonous fruit in the blender, it won't be used to kill his family. That doesn't mean his family will all necessarily survive, but I doubt they will die of poisoned shakes.

Jacklyn didn't fuck over Laurie! Frau. You snooze you lose.

Zion, Valentin, Alexei, the other Russian, Gaitok, Lochy, Rick, and Saxon can all get it.

Aleksei, asking, no DEMANDING money after having sex, how sleezy and awful. I too had really delicious sex with a man like this that hit me up right after while I was still in coital glow!

It would have been better/more realistic if he just asked for a thousand or two as his escort fee.

Chelsea is a fun character, but the storyline with Rick has always been very dark.

It’s a classic “woman with low self esteem gets involved with scumbag because she thinks she can change him” storyline.

He treats her like shit.

He makes no effort to deal with his problems. He appears to be a shady operator, possibly dangerous.

He’s an idiot who goes around releasing snakes and stranding his girlfriend in a foreign country while he jets off to confront gangsters.,

I’ve been puzzled by viewers’ thinking they are good together. But this is what dangerously dysfunctional relationships look like. No one is 100% bad. They might have the occasional warm moment. But Rick is a mostly bad guy, and he’s bad for Chelsea.

If she ends up dead, it’s sadly a natural result of her being involved with Rick. The show has been pretty clear about this all season.

Have you ever heard of writing in a concise manner, R33?

Jesus Christ.

I keep wondering where Rick's money comes from--it is incredibly expensive to stay at the White Lotus for a week.

[QUOTE] the other Russian,

Not that hideous one who MAGA Kate got stuck with?

[quote] stranding his girlfriend in a foreign country

He left her in a luxury hotel in the company of a friend, she was hardly alone in the middle of nowhere

Carrie Coon certainly enjoys showing her tits off.

A friend she only just met a couple of days prior?

All actresses are basically prostitutes, r43

[quote]stranding his girlfriend in a foreign country

[quote]He left her in a luxury hotel in the company of a friend, she was hardly alone in the middle of nowhere

We’re about to see just how stranded Chelsea is. I suspect once Sritala’s goons start closing in, she’ll turn out to be pretty stranded.

I’ll be very surprised if Rick isn’t taken out before he makes it back to Chelsea. If he makes it back, it’s almost impossible that the goons would allow them to leave in one piece.

R14 THANK YOU. That poster seems to think EVERYTHING needs to have meaning. It doesn’t. Just like in real life, not everything has meaning. Sometimes it just is.

Jesus. I don’t get it.

PS he did the same shit last season.

R43 she’s willing to do what the job asks of her….

R17 that wasn’t a pussyhound 3some…. Retard

Did anyone else notice how ENORMOUS Scott Glenn's ears were? I assume this is an old man problem where the rest of him shriveled down and the ears stayed the same but they were the size of his entire head

R35 has the mentality of a toddler. In adult relationships we don’t do that “you snooze you lose” shit.

R50 or you’re just being an over analytical loser.

Post a REAL selfie of yourself. Let’s see

R37 that isn’t believable. You clearly haven’t dealt with foreign scam artists.

R38 only she doesn’t have low self esteem. She has a Savior Complex.

I found myself judging Laurie for being in such a dangerous situation with the Russians at the fight and with her one night stand afterwards.

I pulled shit like that (1) in my twenties and (2) in familiar surroundings.

Laurie is mid-to-late 40s and is basically a single mother. She’s in unfamiliar surroundings. What the FUCK is she thinking? I’m surprised she’s not dead yet.

There is a theory that Scott Glen's character is Rick's father. Not that he killed him but his mother, a drug addict, told him this because he left her for a lady boy, "killing' their family. It makes the story Sam Rockwell told fit Rick's storyline. How Sam ended up liking being fucked by lady boys. Scott Glen was probably the same guy, feel in love with a lady boy and left his family.

Oh please. Laurie hanging out with the Russians in a VERY PUBLIC place was far less dangerous than Jaclyn letting one of them back in the house while the other two women were asleep

To R520 from the previous thread-

Pornchai wasn’t in the episode because he was offscreen giving anal to Pam, who was also not in the episode.

I thought it was weird that when Laurie was in bed with Valentin, her body blurred--both front and back. It's not like we would have seen anything we haven't already seen.

In a surprise twist, Pam snaps and beats a lorazepam-incapacitated Tim to death with his cell phone.

Here’s my main beef with this season- there are more boring characters than there are compelling ones. I’m half convinced that Walton Goggins is fucking Mike White which can be the only reason he is so fixated on his awful character. Momentum comes to a screeching halt every time his face appears onscreen. The Jaclyn/Laurie/Kate scenes are so frustratingly brief yet we need to be subjected to so many ponderous scenes with other subpar characters. Some characters are interesting only because of plot devices. Jason Isaacs’s character is so flat and awful, despite an intriguing storyline. There’s just very little propulsion this season. I feel like I have actual blueballs watching this season.

Saxon is growing on this trip. Last night we saw a more vulnerable side to him. Why?

He’s now realizing how other people view him (because of Chloe and Chelsea) and he doesn’t like it. Back home he’s a big shot because he’s the big mans son and probably surrounded by yes-men, but now that he isn’t he sees how others view him and he’s definitely bothered by it.

R61 that doesn’t even make sense. This isn’t an ongoing season. It was written them cast, then filmed all at once. Walton didn’t fuck Mike White for screentime. The character already had the screentime. All the main characters have a lot of screentime. It’s called an ENSEMBLE. There is no lead.

Season 2 was the only one where you could claim a lead existed.

[QUOTE] I thought it was weird that when Laurie was in bed with Valentin,

This never happened.

[quote]Not that he killed him but his mother, a drug addict, told him this because he left her for a lady boy, "killing' their family.

It might just be exactly what it is... he's a guy who killed his father who doesn't even remember it.

I was also thinking that maybe he is his father and he simply just left Rick and his mom. Rick's mother assumed he was dead and killed by this man when instead he took the man's place. I only thought this because his response to Rick's claims was saying his mother's name twice, almost as if he was in shock... that his son had found him, and then Rick wouldn't let him say anything else. Even after Rick was leaving, the man was silent.

Whatever happens next week, White Lotus will get a season 4 and 5.

Other than her friends telling Laurie she's dissatisfied with her life is there any indication in the storytelling/performance that Laurie is dissatisfied with her life? I'm really not getting that about the character, who seems to me very confident and content.

And what are we really meant to think Gaitok can do with the observation that he saw 2 Russian guys at a boxing match with Valentin? How would he prove that they robbed the jewelry store?

And Belinda's findings on her computer about Greg/Gary...why hasn't she shown those suspicious findings to anyone in law enforcement at the spa or even her trusted son? As they're all familiar with Greg/Gary from constantly seeing him around the hotel, surely, they'd be interested?

And was Chloe seriously doing Greg/Gary's bidding in trying to enlist Saxon in a ménage a trois? Or was she just putting Saxon on? In the end all it seemed so half-hearted on her part. I, at least, appreciated Saxon's firm refusal.

So many plot holes....

Yes, you can answer any of my questions with: well, that's how random life is. But this is an 8-part drama series....shouldn't we expect something a little more dramatic?

I would over a suggestion to Mike white to rewrite the ratliffe family storyline: The Piper monastery shit should have come first in the season before any other drama with the family: Because the crisis of her doing that is relatively minor, but reveals significant things about Victoria and Tim’s values. Then half way through the season, we should have found out about Tim’s trouble with the feds. This would have provided the stake raising bump that the middle of the season missed having. Also Lachlan should have gone to monastery with Piper before rather than after the boat ride- so that pipers rejection of him leads him to try to bond with Saxon… inappropriately.

This would be a much better sequence of events for that family in order to build suspense through your the season

The man was very old and frail and in shock. I saw people on Twitter mocking Rick for not beating the old man at least if he wasn’t gonna shoot him and it pissed me off. Something is wrong with people.

Rick not being able to even hit him because he was so old and frail is how I would feel.

R66 well, being that it was already greenlit for a fourth season….

And being that this season is like 20x higher in ratings than last season….

I’d say that’s a safe “assumption”.

R67 … are you watching the show at all? Maybe you should stop. It may be too advanced for you

Nostradamus at R66.

Mike White is just too smart and savvy not to realize himself that this season has been a huge disappointment. I predict he'll take extra time off before beginning the 4th season. And maybe he'll even hire a couple more writer friends to join him.

I've blocked the poster at r49/r51/etc. who keeps repeatedly calling other posters "loser," "retard," and other abusive names.

Only the season isn’t a disappointment. It’s only a disappointment to people who thought they were getting a repeat of season 2, which is their own fault. Season 2 was very different from season 1, why you wouldn’t know season 3 would be different from season 2 IS YOUR OWN FAULT.

R74 and id put you on ignore. And then go look at the other thread and see how much vanishes. You’ve been talking to yourself a whole lot.

R73, have you ever written anything of note? Or produced any kind art in any capacity?

To call you tedious would be an understatement. Repetitive. Jejune. I’ll think of others.

[quote] There is a theory that Scott Glen's character is Rick's father

That would be quite a coincidence.

[quote] I've blocked the poster at [R49]/[R51]/etc. who keeps repeatedly calling other posters "loser," "retard," and other abusive names.

Thanks for the update.

I love that Coon was like, fuck it I'm gonna be on White Lotus only once, I might as well let it all hang out.

I laughed when Victoria said she got all dolled up for the party and Tim was right next to her in that same pink shirt he's worn for seemingly half of the season, wrinkled in just about every way imaginable as if he just pulled it out of his ass. If they weren't such a rich couple disconnected from each other, she definitely would have commented on it.

"THE BOAT PEOPLE!!!!"

"You're so pretty. Why are you with that old man? Are you being held against your will?"

"You should come to North Carolina. They'd eat you up!"

"G&T!!"

ROFL.

I love these Victoria-isms.

R78 R79 R80

R40 From here and there

R38 She doesn't come across as someone with low self-esteem. More like a dreamer

R56 Sritala is not a lady boy. Or lady grandpa. Or whatever. Mike White wouldn't cast a bio woman to portray a trans woman. Also, did you miss the part where the husband said they have two daughters?

R84 she doesn’t have low self esteem at all. Like you said, she’s a dreamer with a savior complex

Mike White should have made THIS a story arc for season three.

That really would have livened up the show!

[quote] I'm visiting my Thai boyfriend in Koh Samui + Bangkok + leaving my wife at home - she doesn't mind!

R85-Maybe Rick has 2 stepsisters.

S3 has its flaws but it's still better than 90% of what's on TV right now. Can't wait for the finale.

I thought it was funny that Frank said something about having “one night in Bangkok” with Rick. Love that song!

I agree with the poster who said that Sam Rockwell can do no wrong. He is such a charmer and Frank was the perfect accomplice for this mission.

I'm still loving this season, but admit there was some lazy writing with Frank showing up having NO knowledge of Sritala's movie career. This a day or two after she nearly busted Rick for his total ignorance? It would take them all of five minutes to familiarize themselves with a few of her old movies.

Lazy writing and bad acting…

Gays: YES KWEEN!

R91 that felt realistic 😂

Excellent acting but bad directing.

Hot guys

How long was Frank sober before his night with Rick? I think it had been a while, but can’t remember

10 months

Was Mike White going through something as he wrote this season? There's a palpable dark energy to it that's not all that fun to watch.

Individuals with a savior complex often have low self-esteem. They feel a need to prove their worth by helping others.

R96, that must have felt like forever. Frank and Rick seem like they've been through plenty of crimes and court-mandated twelve step programs together. Guys like that don't rely on trade craft; they always think that they can charm or lie their way through any situation. Their complete lack of preparation did, indeed, look realistic.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's the image in your full length mirror, dear.

Sorry, wrong thread!

r87 omg

The South Asian mindfulness therapist and the Ratliffe’s sturdy but unctuous Australian concierge also seem to have vanished. Have we seen either of them in the last 4 episodes?

The dream sequence of Timothy shooting his wife and son was chilling. Reminded me so much of Alex Murdaugh. Only Alex killed the hot douchebrah son first.

That’s because we’ve been mostly off site from the hotel. And, in tv time, it’s been barely 48 hours.

R98 not at all

Alex Murdaugh killed his family because he viewed them as dead weight problem-makers. It was a rage killing. And / or he wanted that sweet, sweet insurance money.

Tim seems to actually care about his family to some extent.

But, yes— the dream sequences definitely call to mind the Murdaugh case.

Google it, r106. Or take a PSY101 class at your local community college. It’s basic human psychology.

Mike White does a “straight guy with daddy issues” plot line every season and it’s always the least compelling aspect of the show.

r82 I just love it whenever DLers do that, easiest block ever. Enjoy talking to yourself, dear!

[quote]Excellent acting but bad directing.

Directing is some of the best on TV, I feel like he outdoes himself each season. It's the editing that's a bit iffy this season, with maybe one too many cuts to B-roll footage and Thai fighting. I mean, it all looks really nice, but I still feel we should go back to seven or even six episode seasons.

[quote] Their complete lack of preparation did, indeed, look realistic.

Bullshit. This is a life and death situation, not some casual con.

R97 He identified as an Asian girl for a bit there

There was a scene where Lochlan was showing Timothy a video of man walking into a tsunami and Tim was mesmerized by it, then there was Victoria's dream of wave swallowing them or their house or something, I don't quite remember, and lastly the monk describing to Tim how death is like a drop of water returning back into the ocean, with shots of droplets of water splashing and Tim again seemed really taken by it. We had that shot of ways crashing in this episode as well. If he doesn't kill himself or at least try to kill himself by walking into the ocean...I've been bamboozled by Mike White like I've never been bamboozled in my life before

I just think Mike White remains too idiosyncratic for a general audience and that only becomes more clear with time as he keeps following his weird obsessions down ever weirder paths, and so you get lots of dullards who are inecplicably bored by the most riveting hour of TV every week. His approach is always so slo-mo car-crash in miniature that every year that I don't realize until the end how deeply I feel I know these characters; how they feel like real people to me. I think this third season's darker themes have been beautifully excavated and as much fun as I had with Tanya I don't miss the center of gravity that Jennifer Coolidge's reliable goofiness greedily gobbled up. It feels much more like an abstraction this year, with every facet commenting on the same disappointments, the same violence within ourselves. It's hard to say where the show will land until we've seen the entire thing but I think this is the most successful season so far.

r115 Christ AI is tedious

4.5 million viewers watched episode 6 last Sunday. And that doesn’t count the eyeballs that watched on streaming platforms later in the week. These are all-time highs for the show. My TikTok feed is full of people working out solutions and analyzing clues and possible dead ends. It’s been years since I’ve seen so many people having such a good time with any series like they are with this one. I’m sure Mike White is very upset that some of you don’t like it. Blah-hah-hah!

The scenes with Rick and friend at the rich Thai singer's house while sitting with the husband and awkwardly talking about "the film project" was beyond awkward. No one did their homework, actress or two guys. She didn't even google the "producers" bio? Amateur! The couple should have thrown them out after ten minutes for wasting their time. The guys should have coordinated their stories.

It's possible that after Rick pushed the old guy backwards in his chair and ran out, that the old guy died due to his fragility and injuries. In that case, Rick's goose is cooked and whatever happiness he and Chelsea may have found is gone.

It was a huge disappointment that Belinda's son wanted her to take the money, basically a bribe. No ethics there. Belinda should turn the old guy in, he's a murderer living off his victim's fortune. So what she was weird, she was heroic on that boat, sad that she died. Avenge her, Belinda! But first, get out of Thailand and report him from afar.

Loved the scene with Carrie Coon/Laurie fucking that guy then being extorted and fleeing in disgrace. Now that was some action!

Ever since dad Tim Ratliff dad learned he was broke he's done nothing but take pills and booze and think of killing his family and suicide. Boring! Come clean idiot! It will be traumatic but people do survive these disgraces. Start over somewhere else. Boozy mama can work for a change. Or she can dump him and find another rich guy.

I was proud of Gaitok for admitting he's not a tough guy. Now he needs to dump that airhead who doesn't appreciate a decent man.

I don't know why anyone would come to this thread or for that matter Datalounge, and not expect to hear some hefty criticism and discussion. What would be the point of this thread/site if everyone merely loved everything all the time?

And as I said in an earlier thread, I do believe much of the criticism comes from a place of love for WL and simply disappointment that this season hasn't been better.

[quote] No ethics there. Belinda should turn the old guy in, he's a murderer living off his victim's fortune.

She doesn’t know that. All she knows is that he won’t submit to questioning by the Italian police. And who could blame him?

Belinda doesn't know Tonya had been heroic on the boat. All she knows is that three men were found shot to death on the boat, and that Tonya drowned in mysterious circumstances near it.

Even so, Natasha Rothwell said on the after-show commentary her character is conflicted about not accepting Greg's money because she thinks she would be setting a bad example for her son.

One episode only to go i can safely say this is the worse season. For all the very obvious fight ring motif, every confrontation in this episode was either underwhelming or unresolved or both.

The three friends continue to have almost nothing to do. The family stays resolutely the same, though somehow confirming Lachy’s and Saxon’s being creeps. The dinner party at Greg’s was most unconvincing. Bankcok was predictable.

On the plus side: Leslie Bibb continues to do great, the russian con, not much else noteworthy .

OK, I loved Frank actually name dropping Pippin in this episode to describe the choreography in Sritala’s 1980s TV appearance.

I didn't know that, as a 16-year old, Leslie Bibb won a modeling contest on Oprah's show.

I want to have sympathy for Rick, but that’s purely down to Walton Goggins’s innate likability.

Nothing in the character as written is all that sympathetic if likable. He’s a terrible boyfriend, and now he’s destroyed Frank’s newly rebuilt life. Frank will probably end up being killed.

If I had to guess, Rick seems to symbolize the tragedy of people not dealing with their problems. Rick’s life was more tragic than most, it’s true. But to me he is a powerful warning.

Ratings are strong 💪

WL has a lot of buzz, and it is interesting. I am a little angry there is only one episode left.

My partner watches very little tv but even he’s gotten into this show.

[quote] WL has a lot of buzz, and it is interesting. I am a little angry there is only one episode left.

I’m a little angry that you don’t recognize that “The” is part of the show’s title. It’s “TWL”.

You're right r66, this show has so much buzz. I like that the B List and some unknowns get a career boost from this.

All Jason Isaacs has done for the last 5 episodes is sweat.

Why do people think Saxon showed vulnerability this episode? He didn’t. He was being his usual player self with Chloe. He didn’t give a shit about meditation. He was finding another way into her pants. And Chloe was smart enough to see through it.

They were all sweaty in this episode. Does the tv resort have air conditioning? If not, hard pass.

Well, Jason Isaacs can sweat all over me. I’d be fine with it. And I’d lick his sweaty balls, taint, and crack!

R11 people in a work of fiction

I still want to know how two ostensibly hardened criminals would show up to a fellow criminal's mansion in a VERY fraught situation pulling a con without knowing a single thing about the con, ie even a movie title or two of Sritala's. Bad writing.

If it was a real life con, R136, that would obviously reflect most poorly on the perpetrators. But it's not like Mike White didn't write this lack of planning into the script. That was an intentional bit of writing. Not some oversight discerned by e sharp-eyed viewers.

R19 abhorred by death and murder as opposed to loyalty

This Daily Beast writer ranks Saxon as the most likely to die.

The exotic locales and attractive actors distract the viewer from the iffy writing.

I'm going to pretend like a couple of the cast members haven't already implied that they will live next week in their interviews.

[quote]Belinda doesn't know Tonya had been heroic on the boat. All she knows is that three men were found shot to death on the boat, and that Tonya drowned in mysterious circumstances near it.

And if she took the money for her silence, she could get in trouble later on--especially if someone pieces together that she worked at the White Lotus that Tanya visited in the past. She also told at least three people that she thinks he did kill Tanya so she can't pretend like it didn't happen now. Taking that bribe could lead to an obstruction of justice charge and then she'd lose everything. I'm hoping she still gets what she wants in the end and that Pornchai has a stash of cash he has saved over his lifetime to start a business with her like he asked.

I am glad that she at least knows that Tanya didn't forget about her although Greg sure is public for someone who doesn't know if any of their guests might actually be able to place him.

r97, he was holed up in a Thai hospital with toxic shock, and had a fever dream that produced this.

Additional thoughts;

Jason Isaacs is a fine actor but has now been lorenzepaned for what, 4!episodes? Also, his visions of killing is family are extremely lazy writing, the menace would suffice.

Carrie Coon acts fine but has even lesser to do than her friends. I think this was the character that initially viewers thought could identify themselves. Very wrongly.

Aimee Lou is a great actress but is also stuck in a now thankless role.

Finally, slighttly irritattes me the gay incest bait storyline. So far ie meaningless and verging on exploitation.

I think people have forgotten this season that even in the past Mike White's writing isn't always airtight.

Many people commented during the first season that it made no sense that Connie Britton and Steve Zahn's extremely wealthy family would not have paid for a suite big enough for their two teenaged children to each have their own rooms, and that both parents then would have allowed their daughter to invite a college friend along, and then that both allow the daughter and the friend to force the son to sleep in the stuffy kitchen. But for the exigencies of the plot, White needed the son to be miserable in the suite so he had a reason to sleep on the beach and meet the outriggers.

In the second season, it made no sense Quentin (Tom Hollander) had that spectacular villa and that gigantic yacht, and yet was about to go bankrupt and lose the house (couldn't he just have sold the yacht and kept the villa?).

I liked the little meta moment when Sam Rockwell, who starred in the “Fosse/Verdon” miniseries, was commenting on young Sritala’s video choreography as being, “kinda Fosse.”

R141 that’s not even close to real life’s. There’s no bribe. She’s in no legal peril in any of the three countries. The plot point is strictly her ethics v. his possible criminality. Its for dramatic effect.

R107 I don't think the Murdaugh murders were rage killings. It took care of several problems for Alex.

1. Paul's boat crash lawsuit would go away. (In Alex's head anyway) This could possibly keep the exposure of his financial misdeeds at bay.

2. There are rumors Maggie started investigating his finances, and maybe wanted a divorce. Again, her being gone would keep his financial misdeeds at bay.

3. If he killed Paul and not Maggie, she of all people would know he'd killed Paul so he had not choice.

4. The sympathy. I believe he thought that if his wife and son were murdered, his firm would be more lenient about his financial misdeeds and give him the opportunity to make things right.

I don't think rage played into it. It was an ice cold, calculated decision.

I think the other commonality between the show and the killings is Alex and Timothy are both pillheads.

[quote] That was an intentional bit of writing. Not some oversight discerned by e sharp-eyed viewers.

Obviously it was intentional. That doesn’t mean it is plausible.

How is it possible that Sam Rockwell managed to look even sexier in this episode???

May Thai is hot as hell

Mook is a cunt. She’ll end up in an abusive relationship.

Belinda, more than ANY of your queens, can work a caftan like no other

I loved Chloe’s bonkers Barbie party ensemble she looked like a whoville Megan Draper

I bet Mook would vote for trump

R131, I’d LOVE to make him sweat

r144, where was it ever said in S1 that Britton and Zahn's family were EXTREMELY wealthy? Wealthy, yes, but not necessarily enough to afford 3 separate suites. The illogic or untruth, if it was there, is nothing compared to all the plot holes this season.

Have all of Mike White's previous TV and film projects been written solely by him?

Btw, I'm a huge fan of his Chuck & Buck and Beatriz at Dinner and the first season of White Lotus. No collaborators on any of them, I believe.

Looking at Jason Isaac’s and Patrick Schwarzenegger- I’m choosing Jason - hands down

Fabien - no one wants to hear someone sing in German. . . .

So what do we think Patrick's "bonkers" upcoming scenes will be?

Only one more episode.

I don't even understand what purpose the Fabian and Pam characters served, this season.

Pam was just a lame device to get the Ratliff's to give up their phones.

Like that would ever happen in real life.

Ratliffs without the apostrophe.

Sam Rockwell could charm the stripes off of a snake

The lavishing of praise and building the manager up to sing while truly not giving a shit shows what kind of two faced people they are. The 3 women do it to each other too. They're fake.

I liked the plot theory of everyone thinking the cops are there for them and reacting as such. That is the best one I've heard and I imagine that would be better than what we'll get from the actual finale.

Who is the old cunt who plays the role of mister sritala?

So boring. Can you imagine being one of the three women and having to stay in Thailand for six months to shoot what amounted to less than one episode of television? Just to sit around a table and take meals or lounge poolside? They had like one big sequence, they’re night out with the Russians, and the rest of it has been just picking up entrances and exits. All of their scenes feel so bitty.

R156, Britton was the CEO of her own company.

Leslie Bibb and Sam Rockwell are married so at least they got a luxury vacation together.

Not only that, r168., but Alexandra Daddario's character recognized who Connie Britton's character was because her company is so internationally successful.

That;'s where it was made clear Britton's character had to be extremely wealthy, r156.

All I've been concerned about since last night's episode is, now how will Frank ever retrieve his cap, and that nice red jacket, with all this mishigas going on?

They were sexy

Wrong. It was because she was a female CEO. There’s no reference to how internationally important the corp. might be.

Always knew that aleksei was hot

I love the name Alexei.

Having had a Lorazepam interlude of my own some years ago, I am envious of the apparently bottomless bottle featured on this show.

I have horrible anxiety/insomnia/panic attacks until my mom gave me half of her lorazepam. My world went to normal again. I now take klonopin. I sleep, no more anxiety or panic attacks.

Fabien is gonna shoot the fuck out of everyone because they all ignored his performance!! Typical drama queen

R175, ken hev alexei too for $10,000

I think Belinda should do the right thing but she could also play hardball and ask for more!

she should ask sam rockwell to dress up like a lady boy and have her son fuck him

r170, who's to say how big or how financially successful CEO Connie Britton's company was? And the husband played by Steve Zahn seemed to be a bit of a lay about.

Again, I'm not saying they weren't wealthy, just not extremely wealthy.

Even in the dinner scene before the 3 ladies broke up for the night, they were all just eating fruit plates.

A hundred thousand dollars just does not seem like enough to make anyone respectable shut up about murder.

[quote] where was it ever said in S1 that Britton and Zahn's family were EXTREMELY wealthy? Wealthy, yes, but not necessarily enough to afford 3 separate suites. The illogic or untruth, if it was there, is nothing compared to all the plot holes this season.

She was a tech CEO . They make millions per year.

Steve Zahn's character was able to purchase a $75,000 bracelet for Connie's character. Pretty good for a layabout.

And I agree with r184, I would have expected at least a million.

[quote] that’s not even close to real life’s. There’s no bribe. She’s in no legal peril in any of the three countries. The plot point is strictly her ethics v. his possible criminality. Its for dramatic effect.

No, R146, in Thailand that’s money laundering, in Italy that’s Aiding and Abetting. You just can’t take money from someone that may have committed a crime. There’s no extradition treaty but they have done it before.

The point is, and it looks like it will happen next week, she will sit down at some point and realize that, there are possible negatives to her taking it or not.

If she doesn’t: he could kill her and Zion. If she does: she could be aiding a murderer, he could still kill her anyway, they would now be involved with each other and 100k is nothing to him & it sounds like Zion will tell her to ask for more money.

All Belinda knows is that Greg was wanted for questioning in Italy and refused to cooperate and is now living under another identity . He’s not a fugitive from justice. He has not been charged in a crime. She does not know he was involved in murder. She has no moral obligation to alert the authorities.

[quote] You just can’t take money from someone that may have committed a crime

Actually, yes you can.

She does have an ethical situation, because she told Zion of her situation, and does not want to be a bad example to her son.

That's what Natasha Rothwell has said, and she would know best.

Sorry: I meant "ethical obligation."

You think a person has an ethical obligation to call the police because we know someone is wanted for questioning in a foreign country and declined to cooperate?

She has no actual knowledge of what happened in Italy.

Maybe she feels some kind of personal responsibility because she knew Tanya. But that sense of responsibility is emotional, not ethical.

I was expecting this 7th episode to start having some energy. It didn't. There's something just so flat and lethargic about the pacing that it's really hard to get through each episode.

I mentioned this to some friends and they all scoffed.

The White Lotus is tv's emperor's new clothes. People are afraid to say they don't like it. But outside of Parker Posey's terrifying accent, the sweet kiss between the brothers, and Valentin's incredibly, ridiculously, amazingly hot body, there isn't much here.

I know Saxon was meant to believe it, but I couldn't be quite sure whether Chloe herself believes that bullshit story about Greg wanting to watch. And why Chelsea was so supportive of the whole thing. As Greg is clearly lying about not being able to have sex with his former wife, it's a ruse, but to what end, and who's in on it?

I'm not sure which is more preposterous, the Greg/Chloe or the RIck/Frank schemes.

I like it because you get to see what happens on a yacht boat party in another country I guess.

Maybe it's Americans craving international delight and drama like movies in classic times when they treated and depicted other countries with respect.

R187 you made up that answer out of whole cloth. Pretending to know Thai AND Italian criminal codes. A bunch of b.s.

How synchronic that we are on Part 8 of the thread.

Episode 8, even at 90 minutes, will still have a lot of shit to wrap up. In a nice pretty little bow.

I am thinking Rick will be killed

R183, endless fruit plates go well with endless bottles of rose

Controversial opinion, but fun drunks like Frank should never stop drinking. We need them, humanity needs them. Abstinence should be for the mean and the violent drunks. Honestly, I feel the same way about jolly fatties who go on Ozempic, they're just robbing us all of joy.

R200 Humanity needs fewer people like you.

[quote] I know Saxon was meant to believe it, but I couldn't be quite sure whether Chloe herself believes that bullshit story about Greg wanting to watch. And why Chelsea was so supportive of the whole thing.

Chloe wants another chance at Saxon again because he's young and hot. Plus it's what Greg wants, and she wants to tie him closer to her. I don;t think anyone would want this, but Chloe isn't very particular.

And Chelsea isn't very bright--she's got some great qualities, but she's naive and easily led. Anjd since she's compromised her own wants so much with Rick, she realizes why Chloe would want to do this for Greg.

[quote] You think a person has an ethical obligation to call the police because we know someone is wanted for questioning in a foreign country and declined to cooperate?

What I actually said was: Natasha Rothwell believes (and I agree) that Belinda feels an ethical obligation not to accept a hundred thousand dollars as hush money from Greg while Zion knows about the arrangement.

You're putting words in my mouth.

The ratings for this season are the best in the show's history. A lot of that is new viewers. Considering how this season has gone, I doubt season four will pull the same numbers.

Saxon is a virgin. He's a total nerd who wants to be cool. All his sexy talk to the ladies is a naive effort to look experienced, which he is not. He's a nerdy daddy's boy seeking approval but weak on the actual testosterone it takes to get a girl.

Saxons a frat boy who got mad pussy at Duke and thinks that's what life's all about.

He's Stiffer.

[quote] What I actually said was: Natasha Rothwell believes (and I agree) that Belinda feels an ethical obligation not to accept a hundred thousand dollars as hush money from Greg while Zion knows about the arrangement.

[quote]You're putting words in my mouth.

I don’t recall Belinda using the word “ethical.” Pretty sure that was you.

Saxon needs a big, hard cock in his ass and a huge load of cum all over his face.

[quote]Considering how this season has gone, I doubt season four will pull the same numbers.

Except the numbers keep climbing every week, which implies that people -- outside of this thread anyway -- are enjoying the show and intrigued by the characters and mystery

The only thing I don’t like about the season are the Thai characters storyline. I suspect he’ll get killed trying to prove his masculinity to the Thai girl, who basically said she wouldn’t be interested him unless he embraces violence.

Love the rest of the show. Maybe not as good as past 2 seasons, but still better than almost anything else on tv.

[quote] My theory… the old man and old Asian lady will call the police on Rick, who is so fucking stupid he must have forgotten they know where he’s staying. Tim thinks the police are there for him. The Russians think the police are there for them. Greg thinks Belinda turned him in and the police are there for him. It will be a SHITSHOW

Even if this doesn't happen it should. Awful and funny at the same time.

Uh oh. Trans has entered the chat.

Greece has been announced in a vegan resort for next season. This is fantastic for anyone who loves eggplants!

TikTok is full of people trying to justify/prove that Sritala is Rick's father and is a MTF trans woman.

First, why would she have a Thai accent speaking English if she is American born as would be Rick's father? How does transitioning affect American to Thai race? Rick never mentioned to Chelsea that he is half Thai or Asian.

It is a big stretch to imagine that Sritala is Rick's father, but can anyone explain how it would be possible?

This is fascinating, r213. Great details at your link:

[quote]The new season will see the return of several fan-favorite characters who managed to survive their original getaways. Among them is Daphne Sullivan (Meghann Fahy) from season 2, who is now navigating the Mediterranean solo, post-divorce, and very into biohacking.

[quote]Also returning is Quinn Mossbacher (Fred Hechinger), the teenage son from season 1 who famously ditched his family in Hawaii to canoe with local islanders. Now in his early twenties, Quinn resurfaces in Greece as a sustainability intern at Koukoumi, filming a mini-documentary about the resort’s zero-waste kitchen.

[quote] Joining them is fan-favorite Nicole Mossbacher (Connie Britton), Quinn’s high-powered mother, who is attending a women’s leadership and longevity retreat at the resort. Fresh off a board shake-up at her tech firm, Nicole is there to reclaim balance, though her passive-aggressive Zoom calls from the resort’s juice bar say otherwise.

[quote]New characters include a scandal-plagued wellness guru with a kombucha empire, a TikTok-famous fruitarian couple on a pre-breakup honeymoon, and a Greek-American crypto investor who insists his carnivore diet is ancestral.

[quote]White confirms some season 3 characters will also return, but doesn’t want to spoil the season finale, which airs on April 6. Like White, season 3’s Jason Isaacs is also vegan.

[quote] Coon proceeded to clarify that The White Lotus’ third season was written before the election, and that the show’s creator, Mike White, felt the scene was too “small” to handle a “topic so big” in the aftermath of Trump’s win—and his administration’s attacks against the transgender community.

[quote]“The season was written before the election. And considering the way the Trump administration has weaponized the cultural war against transgender people even more since then, when the time came to cut the episode down, Mike felt that the scene was so small and the topic so big that it wasn’t the right way to engage in that conversation,” Coon explained.

Capitulation

That’s an April Fool’s joke article you ninny.

R213 that all sounds amazing, especially the Greece part, but it also sounds too good to be true if revealed on April 1. I hope it's not an April Fool's, but wouldn't be surprised if it is, unfortunately.

Yay! They’re bringing back Quinn!

Of course it’s a joke. My god you people…

R214 it’s not possible—you’re delusional

The best part about it’s being an April fools joke is how hard it is to tell the joke from the real thing.

Very meta.

Really? R222 now you’re post makes for a good April Fool’s.

your*

Yes, really. There’s nothing in that article that would surprise me in the least if it were true. Except maybe bringing back Quinn.

What doesn’t surprise me in the least is the lack of critical thinking skills on this thread.

"compassion and kale" is the tell. Very funny.

The tell is that “VegNews” would not be breaking a major entertainment story. The end.

The tell is actually this:

[quote]But one more thing…

[quote]As much as we’d love to see Daphne microdosing at dawn, Quinn perfecting his downward dog in a composting workshop, and Nicole spiraling in her caftan during a group fire ceremony, this isn’t a real announcement.

[quote]It’s VegNews’ April Fool’s Day special. Season 4 of ‘The White Lotus’ hasn’t been officially announced—yet. But if Mike White is reading this: please let us pitch the vegan murder subplot.

R213, Greece is underwhelming in that it's too similar to S2. Playing it safe.

Nevermind. Doh.

R229 if you had to read as far as that last text quoted…well, bless your heart!

Laurie discussing having a trans daughter would have been a stupid and gratuitous insertion and would have detracted from the episode. Regardless of Mike’s motivation, it was good that he realized it should be cut.

Add me to the chorus of people saying Parker Posey should've been going through major and life threatening withdrawal. Restless limbs, sleepless nights, seizures, crying jags, shaking, all of it. That shit is awful to come off of and it's a little irresponsible that they're not showing it

that would be a very specific and detailed April Fool's joke, but hey possible since nobody else is reporting this. ooops.

It’s barely Onion quality.

The actor who played Quinn is in a cute movie ‘Thelma’ with June Squib.

And Gladiator Ii

I adore Fred (Quinn) Hechinger and would watch him in anything.

I would rather see the hot assistant from Season 1 re-appear--the himbo who got rimmed, who is such an idiot in real life.

r212 I knew HBO wasn't going near the trans shit for the next four years, it just makes zero business sense given the popular vote result. I just thought they'd avoid it in future seasons, not that they'd cut it out of a finished product. So that's quite a strong statement by them.

Portia needs to never come back. A big fat no to that underwhelming character.

90-minute finale, longest episode in the series. Hopefully it's light on the B-roll.

My biggest fear when seeing Sam Rockwell in this is that he’s going to dress up like a ladyboy.

R151, does Mook have greater ambitions for herself other than being a hostess and planning to marry up?

[quote]It is a big stretch to imagine that Sritala is Rick's father, but can anyone explain how it would be possible?

Those theories are peddled by white folk who've apparently never seen a menopausal Thai diva with substantial facial work before, and so they think she looks like a man. It's all very gross and disrespectful when this actress is clearly a biological woman with a long history in showbiz.

You don't withdrawal from benzos if you haven't been on them long. Maybe Victoria just got a script for her vacay?

I believe she hopes to sing on the Oscars one day.

I think something will go down with Saxon, he seems about to snap.

There is ONE person on these threads who is concerned about Victoria needing to exhibit symptoms of withdrawal. And she brings it back up in every thread.

R247, it took me 3 months to get physically addicted and have a seizure when I quit cold turkey. She's already on refills and her kid is showing concern. R250, it's literally my first post in any of these threads. I just started watching it Saturday. And yes, I thinking binging is the wrong move on this series, it really drives home the point that nothing much happens. The first 2 seasons I watched weekly.

Plus, it would've been fun to watch Parker caterwauling and panicking, maybe trying to hit the trophy girls up for pills, going into town on a drug deal. Rich drug addicts are just as pathetic as poor ones and something would've happened plotwise.

Are Piper and Lochlan going to fuck?

R253, let's hope not. Absolutely nobody wants to see that.

No, but Victoria and Piper are going to scissor.

"Piiip-errr... YEEEES!"

Piper's entire storyline seemed underdeveloped and like a waste. Is anybody actually interested in whether or not she stays in a Buddhist sect or not? She could've been scrapped entirely and that time better spent on somebody else who is more compelling.

Without Piper they wouldn’t be in Thailand at all.

I think it could have been more interesting if they dropped the Piper-Buddhist storyline and instead had her become friends with Chelsea and Chloe.

R257, fair point. And as I write this, I realize that all of White's young 20-something female characters (Sydney Sweeney and friend, Portia, Piper) have been the least interesting throughout. JMO.

Piper's attempt to join the sect's community provided the thematic underpinning for the whole plot. It's probably not been very rewarding for the actress playing Piper, but it was necessary for the entire concept of the season.

Great, R251. Now go have your “I’m Dancing as Fast as I Can”-esque fantasy elsewhere. We’ve thoroughly exhausting that particular topic.

[quote] Belinda feels an ethical obligation not to accept a hundred thousand dollars as hush money from Greg while Zion knows about the arrangement.

Belinda needs to GTF over her morals and take the money. That's if she doesn't want her son resenting her for the rest of his/their lives.

I saw a Buddhist hot take that Saxon makes a good metaphor the Siddhartha Gautama, with princely wealth but a wavering ego. He's begging to know that he has nothing of himself.

Beginning to know*

Vapid

All the remaining Lorazepam is going end up in the blender and kill everyone, or maybe they just sleep through the shooting. Who wants odds? Just kidding, I find the whole whodunnit nature of the show to be secondary to the interaction between characters. What one might think is underwritten is just exactly where they need to be. The golden age of television still goes on thanks to the show.

Patrick Schwarzenegger seems like something you’d regret.

Which Russian do you think has the best dick

The dumb one with a sad life story.

I agree, With our luck, it's probably the fugly bald one. Toss between Valentin and the one Laurie fucked. I wouldn't mind a peek at Saxon's or Lochan's pee pee.

R268, the skank who punched Laurie as she clung from the balcony last episode. Big Dick Energy.

Baldy is hung like horse. Smegma at no extra charge.

SHMEGMA! Mama!

White Lotus: Russia. It's happening next season, bitches.

People doing a retreat often follow the monks' routine of no food after lunch. Clearly this one isn't very traditional.

So much bad writing and direction: Lochlan's sudden veering out of fratbro dude mode seemed odd. So did Sritala's willing acceptance of likes from Frank, while the aborted confrontation between Rick and Jim largely falls flat. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds Goggins off-putting--looking weird as an acting style only takes you so far. For me, he's teh Jennifer Coolidge of this season because when ever I see him, I know it's not going to be great.

I hope one of the three women gets held hostage or something. Otherwise, their storyline is boring and not much of a distraction from everything else. They seem to be there to show how awful the Russians are, but that could have been established without them.

Whetheer

You NEVER go cold turkey off of all kinds of meds, and they don’t have to be addictive substances. Of course you’ll have withdrawals. After a few months? Probably not. She may be on refills, but that doesn’t mean Victoria takes them every day. Maybe she only takes them when she has insomnia? Many people get insomnia on vacation, so she took them every day until her hubs stole them.

No, r276, she was digging into them regularly until her husband swiped them.

R276, it was established early on that she took them whenever she felt the slightest bit “anxious” about anything.

R278 Still, doesn’t mean every day.

[quote] Baldy is hung like horse

You must have missed his attempt at the helicopter, before cannonballing into the pool.

He's a Гровер, not a душ

He said as much, R263. He’s not beginning to know it. He knows it.

Valentin has nice arms (looked great in the tank top at the fight) and a killer ass. I’d do him.

Alexi seems fun. I’d do him, too.

Yes. Victoria has been 100% responsible and only taking her xannies on as needed. To suggest otherwise is crazy

R234 Yeah, I mentioned it upthread. People responded "she drinks herself to sleep now" but benzos don't work that way. At the very least she'd be irritable and unable to sleep. But more likely she'd be having other pretty severe withdrawal symptoms. And drinking would only make things worse. The woman would be miserable.

I mean, I get it, it's a show. But I do feel like this and a few other details make it seem like some corners were cut while Mike White was writing. Love the show, but there's a sloppiness there that the first couple seasons didn't have.

Why are people assuming she was an addict?

R286, because every third word out of her mouth was "lorazepam."

R287 Right. The writing made it seem as if it was a regular part of her life. A person who takes it as often as she appeared to on a regular basis would definitely be addicted,and would have to work with a doctor to ween off of it.

Now, if it is meant to be the case that she just started taking it on vacation, there should have been a line of dialog to clear that up. This is why I say it's a bit sloppy.

I feel bad harping on this because I do love the show. It's a fun escape every week, and I'll be sad when it ends.

Lorazepam withdrawal has become TWL's equivalent of Norwegian Catholics in Bay Ridge.

[quote] He's a Гровер, not a душ

Just curious, do those happen to rhyme in Russian?

I quit Prozac after 8 years cold turkey with no issues. I was just crabby for a couple of months

R131 true. And all I wanted to do for those episodes was be his fan.

Sweating and moping about. And people complained that Carrie Coon was under-utilized.

R291 ouch, horrible brain zaps and sounds hurting

Benzos saved my life.

I had horrible insomnia, anxiety, couldn't catch a good breath, increasingly bad panic attacks, profusely sweated soaking my clothes, diarrhea every morning, and when actually stressed, I'd vomit nonstop for over 24 hours. This went on for years from 17-26. One lorazepam and all of that disappeared instantly, and I felt normal for first time since high school. My worst experiences were on SSRIs. Nothing else helped me, and I tried everything. I did Cognitive Behavioral Therapy 3 times. Now, I'm on clonazepam and have my life back. I'd be disabled without it.

I feel ya, Victoria!

R294 Nope, it was fine

[quote] I had horrible insomnia, anxiety, couldn't catch a good breath, increasingly bad panic attacks, profusely sweated soaking my clothes, diarrhea every morning, and when actually stressed, I'd vomit nonstop for over 24 hours. This went on for years from 17-26. One lorazepam and all of that disappeared instantly, and I felt normal for first time since high school.

Did you try gardening or crocheting first?

R291 must have been a light dose

Each new episode seems to get fewer posts here.

R299 This is the TV version of edging. But not as satisfying.

R291 Prozac and benzos are different animals. One doesn't become physically dependent on antidepressants.

R295 that sounds dreadful. Glad you found something that makes you feel normal again.

Some kinda normal?!

R301 has it exactly right. Totally different animals.

I recall how fat they were

The pill queens have ruined this thread.

So I guess the Ratliffs will be the focus of the big finale?

I don’t give a shit about the Gaitok story line. I’m close to not caring about Belinda’s story, though I like the character.

The blonde bitches…. could not care less.

Nothing much can happen in the Rick/Chelsea story. I fully expect Rick to be killed, but I don’t really care.

I hope Frank is ok.

7 episodes in and Aimee-Lou Wood and Jason Isaacs deserve Emmys for creating characters out of nothing week after week and making us care about them.

Leave it to the Brits.

R306: You're realistic, not depressed.

[quote] Carrie Coon didn't return for “Avengers: Endgame” because Marvel wouldn't pay her more, husband Tracy Letts says

Tracy Letts said the reason his wife, Carrie Coon, a costar in Avengers: Infinity War is not a part of Avengers: Endgame came down to salary.

"I believe [Marvel] went to her for the second one, and they asked her to be in the second one," Letts said on a recent episode of The Ringer's The Big Picture podcast, per PEOPLE. "And she said, 'Well, the first one is the most successful movie ever made. Are you going to pay me any more money?' And they said, 'No. We're not going to pay you any more money.'"

Released in April 2018, Infinity War grossed $2 billion at the global box office, becoming only the fourth film to do so, just seven weeks into its run.

"She said, 'Wow, you're not going to pay me any more money, then I don't think I'm going to do it,'" Letts continued. "And they said, 'Well, you should feel yourself fortunate to be part of the Marvel Universe.' So she declined."

Letts and Coon married in 2013, five years before she played villain Proxima Midnight in the MCU. The character didn't have any lines in Endgame, having died in the previous movie. But she did appear on screen.

"We would've made a bigger deal out of this," Letts said, "but it would have involved us watching the movies, and we weren't going to do that."

R305 how so? Pills play a fairly big role in the Ratliff story. Nothing wrong with discussing that.

Coon & Letts are my favorite celebrity couple. I love what huge movie nerds they are. Letts owns thousands of discs on physical media and they have constant movie nights when they're not working. My middle-aged ass finds all of this extremely relatable.

Ewww, Carrie Coon, exposing your dirty pillows to the world!!

He is good at playing the asshole on film and stage.

They should do a podcast reviewing ffilms frommacross the decades. Sort of Siskel & Ebert with a dash of Mr and Mrs Smith.

r309 Good for her

The gal who plays Piper shoukd have played Snow White, with Rachel Zegler dubbing her on the songs,

Brain zaps hurt. I got them after a cold turkey stop of something, paxil, something. I was on a bunch of shit in high school. My mom shopped around psychiatrists to fix me but none could fix a cold hearted bitch of a mother.

They were happy to take her money and prescribe though.

I've had brain zaps from going off Paxil, and they didn't actually hurt--they were just deeply annoying.

I'm now more intrigued by the behind-the-scenes goings-on.

[quote] [Isaacs] elaborated that dynamics shifted significantly: "Some people got very close, there were friendships that were made and friendships that were lost. All the things you would imagine with a group of people unanchored from their home lives on the other side of the world, in the intense pressure cooker of the working environment with eye-melting heat and insects and late nights."

[quote] Unlocking a little more behind-the-scenes intrigue, Isaacs hinted that the drama didn't just play out on screen, teasing that "an off-screen White Lotus as well, with fewer deaths but just as much drama."

[quote] Jason was tight-lipped about behind-the-scenes gossip, chuckling as he declared he would "absolutely not" share juicy details. "I became very close to some people and less close to others, but we still all had that experience together, and there's a certain level of discretion required," he elaborated.

Sounds like the usual PR bullshit

I hope this means Jason fucked one of the other actors.

Isn't typical PR bullshit painting an impossibly rosy cast?

It's saying whatever it takes to get attention

He said “fewer deaths” . More than one!

Kill them! Kill them all!

Jason Isaacs is a messy kween!

Greedy bitches, all of ‘em.

[quote] He (Tracy Letts) is good at playing the asshole on film and stage.

He's not acting. And he should keep his fucking mouth shut about the business side of HIS WIFE'S career.

Apparently the composer for the series has had constant fights with Mike White since season 1 and is now leaving the show forever. He compares himself implicitly to the nigth club owner trying to make everything work in "La Cage aux Folles," and White to Albin, the diva.

Cristóbal Tapia de Veer did not have an entirely pleasant stay at “The White Lotus.”

Mr. Tapia de Veer, a 51-year-old composer who was born in Chile, joined a video call on Monday from his home in the Laurentian Mountains in Quebec, a gong the size of a beach ball visible over his right shoulder. We had planned to discuss his score for Season 3 of the HBO show — specifically, its reworked main title theme, which ignited a minor fury among fans when the season premiered in February.

The conversation went in a very different direction. Mr. Tapia de Veer, who has won three Emmy Awards for his work on “The White Lotus,” said he would not be returning for the show’s fourth season.

He described creative disagreements with the show’s creator and director, Mike White, that began during Season 1. Conversations with producers could be “hysterical,” Mr. Tapia de Veer said, and the show’s creative team repeatedly requested music that was more upbeat and less experimental than the work Mr. Tapia de Veer wanted to produce. (Representatives for HBO declined to comment for this article.)

“I feel like this was, you know, a rock ’n’ roll band story,” Mr. Tapia de Veer said. “I was like, OK, this is like a rock band I’ve been in before where the guitar player doesn’t understand the singer at all, and is always fighting with the guitar player.”

And about that eerie Season 3 theme? Mr. Tapia de Veer loves it, but had hoped the season would include a longer version that builds into the more recognizable melody from the Season 1 and Season 2. Frustrated by its absence, he posted the “uncut ending” to his YouTube channel. (You can listen to it below.)

In the following conversation, which has been edited and condensed, Mr. Tapia de Veer reflected on his tenure with the show. (cont.)

Q: I want to go back to the moment when the Season 2 theme that you composed for “The White Lotus” became a phenomenon — it had all these remixes, it was playing in clubs. Did that put any pressure on the next season?

A: Pressure? Not really. The pressure has always been something else in this show. And since we’re talking themes, I wonder if I should tell you for the first theme, how it got to the second — like, the whole “White Lotus” theme thing. You know, I haven’t done any interviews, so I don’t even know where to start with this.

Q. Start wherever you’d like.

A. It’s kind of weird right now because I announced to the team a few months ago that I was not coming back, that I was leaving. I didn’t tell Mike for various reasons; I wanted to tell him just at the end for the shock and whatever. Except I told the whole editorial team and music editor and producer and all that, but I didn’t think that they were going to tell him. At some point he heard about that.

Q. This is your last season, for sure?

A. Yeah, yeah. For sure.

Q. Did Mike say anything to you when he found out that you planned to leave?

A. He says a lot of things, but I can’t really talk about that. There was a French movie, “La Cage Aux Folles.” You know how there’s Albin, which is like the star, and there’s Renato, who is the producer who is always taking care that Albin doesn’t lose his mind about something, because Albin is the diva and Renato is the guy who is trying to make everything work. To me, the show felt very much like that.

Q. Did it feel like that from the beginning?

A, When I got the script, I wasn’t sure that it was something for me, because it was very well written, but there’s a reality TV kind of vibe going on, and comedic. My stuff in general is the opposite of this, it’s super dark and edgy. But when we had the talk with Mike, I just told him in a joke that I thought we could do some kind of “Hawaiian Hitchcock,” and he really grabbed on that and he started laughing.

I feel like I need to give credit where credit is due, because it’s hard to know how something like “The White Lotus” can actually happen, which is harder than people might imagine. You see it afterward, and it’s a success, but to get there is quite the struggle. I was on the phone with her [Heather Persons, one of the show’s producers] all the time, and she was trying to convince Mike about this theme, because he didn’t want the theme.

Q. He didn’t want the Season 1 theme?

A. He had a temp score, a song that is more like something you would listen to in Ibiza, in some clubby place with a chill, sexy vibe. And there’s literally no edge to it. It’s a good song; it’s nice music. There’s just absolutely no — whatever you find in the “White Lotus” music, the relationships with the characters — there’s none of that. It’s just nice background music.

I just stuck to what I was doing. And when I was giving versions, it was still the same thing: There were still crazy people and screaming and stuff like that. From there, it became this weird relationship of, How do I pass all this weird music into the show?

Q. What direction were you given for the Season 3 theme, “Enlightenment”?

A. There was no direction. When I started working on this, I had a collection of Thai gongs that are unrelated to the show. So I started experimenting with that, and then I started looking for someone to play the saw u, which is the Thai violin, which in the theme happens in the beginning.

My mom sent me an accordion at some point, an Italian accordion, and I have no idea how to play it. But I was able to play that. I think it helps the melody, to make it more uplifting, because the melody is very dark. (cont.)

(cont.) Q. How did you come up with the melody? Did you consider including that “ooh-loo-loo-loo” melody from Seasons 1 and 2?

A. The melody is special. It’s something very weird, and is almost impossible to sing unless you’re a singer with a good ear, because the intervals in it are really hard. It has a mystery in it that is kind of magic to me. It’s like there’s some witchery going on.

I have, like, over 20 versions of that theme, with and without the ooh-loo-loo-loos. But of course, in the 1:45 titles that’s allowed, there’s nothing from the other ones. That was kind of a risk, but we never talked about that. I don’t think everybody was really aware of how attached people were to the ooh-loo-loo-loos.

Q. What was it like for you, watching people get so upset that the melody was different? (“I do not understand why you would break something that was perfect,” read one social media post.)

A. When that came out, I had TMZ calling me, even people from England and from France, because they wanted some kind of statement about the theme. People are furious about the change of the theme, and I thought that was interesting.

I texted the producer and I told him that it would be great to, at some point, give them the longer version with the ooh-loo-loo-loos, because people will explode if they realize that it was going there anyway. He thought it was a good idea. But then Mike cut that — he wasn’t happy about that.

I mean, at that point, we already had our last fight forever, I think. So he was just saying no to anything. So I just uploaded that to my YouTube.

Q. Do you think people have warmed up to the theme as it is?

A. Oh, yeah. At one point, people were like insulting me and sending me horrible things. And then I started seeing these videos: ‘You know what, I used to hate the theme but now I’m kind of dancing to it.’ It’s like they’re transformed. I was really excited about that.

Q. How are you feeling now about the decision to move on?

A.. I mean, it is what it is. You know, I was watching the Emmys, and it’s like, there’s one thing I’m pretty proud of and that is I feel like I never gave up. Maybe I was being unprofessional, and for sure Mike feels that I was always unprofessional to him because I didn’t give him what he wanted. But what I gave him did this, you know — did those Emmys, people going crazy.

People don’t remember, but at first some people were complaining about the music: “I can’t concentrate on the characters, and it’s too much and I’m so stressed out.” But I’m really happy to take those kinds of risks. That is the main thing that I’m most happy about — it was worth all the tension and almost forcing the music into the show, in a way, because I didn’t have that many allies in there.

I treasure that more than something else I did that was just a success, and it works and that’s that, with less struggle. This was a good struggle.

this shareable link may work

Too late we are all bored.

All I know about benzodiazepines I learned from Lisa Ling, This is Life, S6 E2 "The Benzos Crisis". Available on MAX. Withrawal looks like hell.

The long version is really really danceable.

The White Lotus cast and crew has revealed several details about the cast that almost was, including which well-known actor almost played Walton Goggins’ Rick Hatchett and why creator Mike White “didn’t want to cast” Patrick Schwarzenegger at first.

The buzzy third season has everyone talking, and according to his interview with The Hollywood Reporter, White just as engaged in the discourse as the rest of us.

“People now come into the show thinking it needs to be about hotel employees getting stepped on by rich people every season,” White said. “Then there’s the criticism that the show has become the thing it was supposed to satirize. At this point, people want The White Lotus to be different things.”

Some things about the show were different, White, producer David Bernad, casting director Meredith Tucker, the cast, and more revealed to THR ahead of the season’s April 6 finale.

Woody Harrelson was the first choice to play Walton Goggins’ part.

Bernad explained that “everyone is treated the same” on the show as as far as billing (which is alphabetical) and pay, which ended up being a problem for one would-be Lotus star. THR reported that multiple sources say Woody Harrelson was the original choice to play Rick opposite Aimee Lou Wood’s Chelsea—until he saw how much he’d be paid. According to those sources, Harrelson even tried meeting with David Zaslav to renegotiate his salary, but was a no-go. Other sources told the publication that series regulars make around $40,000 an episode. Walton Goggins took on the role, after he was originally slated to play “one of these bald guys we pepper the thing with,” according to White. “Walton’s not exactly that. He’s a bit more handsome, he has hair,” so the role they landed on for Goggins made sense, he added.

Patrick Schwarzenegger almost didn’t get the job on account of his nepo baby status.

The oldest son of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver nearly lost out on the role of the oldest Ratliff brother Saxon, Bernad said. “Patrick Schwarzenegger’s last name worked against him, by the way. We didn’t want to cast him because of that.” Schwarzenegger has opined that people think he was handed his role because of “who his dad is,” telling The Sunday Times that he works on his characters “for hours” and took “10 years of acting classes.” At least in this case, his famous parents nearly cost him the opportunity. Ultimately, Bernad said, “He was just so good,” that they chose him for the role.

White didn’t want to cast Blackpink’s Lisa either.

The K-Pop star at the center of the show was almost deemed too famous (in Thailand) to get her role. All White heard was that “There was a Blackpink girl [Jennie Kim] in The Idol, and I was like, ‘We’re not doing that,‘” he told THR. Before that, he said, “I did not know who Lisa or Blackpink was.” After he said no, however, Lisa’s reps offered for her to audition. “Her audition was amazing,” White said, “and Lisa’s so nice and uncomplicated, but I still didn’t want to cast her. I’m just used to not having so much attention; we don’t need it.” But I wanted to be respectful to Thailand. She’s like Taylor Swift meets Princess Diana there.” White added, “When we cast her, there were people in the production that cried.” He was glad it was a “nice part” that didn’t show the star “running around sleeping with married men.”

Some actors backed out once they learned about that storyline.

The incest scenes between the Ratliff brothers were apparently enough to dissuade at least some actors. “For that stuff with the brothers, we had to tell people beforehand,” Tucker said. She said her team asked the actors, “‘There is going to be some same-sex kissing and stuff. Are you comfortable with that?‘” and the answer wasn’t always yes. “I think maybe one kid for Sam [Nivola]’s role dropped out,” she continued, “but some of these kids were barely 18, so I could understand.” Bernad said that when they sent the scripts to Nivola and Schwarzenegger, “We were anxious... We both were like ‘I hope they don’t drop out.‘” Nivola added, “When they sent me my contract, it was like, ‘You have to be comfortable with sexually explicit scenes or whatever,’ and I was like, ‘Sure, yeah, I’ve never really done anything like that on camera—first time for everything.’ But I was not expecting that!”

They wouldn’t let Sam Rockwell say no to his big cameo.

“He passed at first,” Bernad said. “Sam is a perfectionist, and the window to do the job was very tight—two or three weeks and then this giant monologue.” Rockwell explained, “To be honest, I wasn’t sure I was going to be able to pull this off,” since he was already shooting Gore Verbinski’s Good Luck, Have Fun, Don’t Die in South Africa and “the monologue... was a lot.” White and Bernad had a little help with the convincing, as Rockwell’s longtime partner Leslie Bibb plays Kate in the series. “I just said, ‘If he doesn’t do it, you can’t be mad at me,‘” Bibb told the site. Though Rockwell worried he wouldn’t “have enough time to prep and get into the headspace of this character,” Bernad said, “We just didn’t let him pass. We were like, ‘Great, so when are you coming?‘”

The role of Chloe was recast—and now we know why.

Posh troublemaker Chloe was originally going to be played by the Thai actress Francesca Corney, but Tucker confirmed earlier reports about why she was ultimately replaced by the French-Canadian Charlotte Le Bon. “Had we seen people in person for these roles, we would’ve realized the original Chloe was quite petite and just going to play too young. The part was reconceived for Charlotte.” Corney filmed for several weeks before the role was re-tooled.

Parker Posey first realized she’d be on the show at Jennifer Coolidge’s Halloween Party.

It was after an exchange with White at Coolidge’s party that Posey was “struck” with the feeling she might get a part on The White Lotus. Posey told THR she was “alone at a cheese table at one the morning, wondering, ‘Should I have some more cheese?‘” when she saw White. “Mike was one foot out the door, and he’s like, ‘Hi, I just want to say you’re doing such great work lately. Blah blah blah. Bye!‘” Afterward, she thought, “Maybe I’m going to be part of White Lotus. My friends were like, ‘Of course you are.‘”

Jon Gries was deadly serious about keeping his role under wraps until the season premiere.

“He was so committed to keeping it a secret,” Bernad said. “There was no press release for him, no premiere, no photos. At one point, we were going from Phuket to Bangkok, which is like a 12-hour drive, and he drove in a car with the equipment just to avoid being spotted with us at an airport.” Whenever people asked what he was going out of town to film, Gries said, “I told people I was going to the Philippines to film a new TV show for a European network.” He added, “I’m using this as a platform to apologize to everybody that I’ve lied to.”

Ultimately, White expressed his hope that all the changes will culminate in a “satisfying” finale for fans and “stick the landing.” He explained, “My hope is that it’ll feel like a cathartic sad or a satisfying sad and not a ‘What the f---?’ sad.”

But at least one of the actors is worried about the fan reaction to the finale. “People are going to hate Mike White,” Le Bon predicted.

Has someone just learned how to cut & paste?

There isn’t a benzo crisis. All drugs are abused. Those who need it, need it. If you need it, and abuse it, it stops working, and you’re fucked.

[quote] People are going to hate Mike White,” Le Bon predicted.

He’s going to kill them all! Yay!

Apparently, R338

R339 I think the crisis comes in, when people who were prescribed the drug, and then want to get off it.

Pulse and booze

Pills and booze

Who cares about an actor NOT in the show? This is snout what’s IN the show.

R342 wean off in the care of a doctor.

I have worked with Tracy Letts and he's a pompous ass.

Also, worked with Carrie Coon and she's just the opposite. A true mensch. Though this was before her Leftovers, Gilded Age and WL fame so maybe she's less fun now.

Tracy Letts I always think of as the greaseball from the race track who is hassling Elaine on the Festivus episode of Seinfeld.

Weaning off in the care of a doctor does not make coming off a psychiatric drug painless. It can be a miserable process.

In tapered off Paxil in 2023 under a doctor's care, and though I didn't have physical withdrawl symptoms other than the (irritating) brain zaps, I had constant repeated panic attacks.

R346 He looks like a sadist to me. Wonder what she found attractive.

All the men in this except for Sam look sweaty and dirty.

Le Bon’s comment about us hating Mike White must mean Chelsea’s dead meat. There’s nobody else to care about that much on this fucking show.

That’s who I immediately thought of, too, R351.

Meltdown currently in progress on Reddit over the quitting of the show's composer because he's currently one of the best in the biz, so it's a huge loss. Apparently, he wanted the full version of the opening theme included in the finale, but White/HBO said no.

[quote]THR reported that multiple sources say Woody Harrelson was the original choice to play Rick opposite Aimee Lou Wood’s Chelsea—until he saw how much he’d be paid. According to those sources, Harrelson even tried meeting with David Zaslav to renegotiate his salary, but was a no-go.

Eugh. As if he doesn't have more money than god already. Fucking A-listers, man.

Walton Goggins has been much better than Woody Harrelson ever would have been in this part.

Jesus, the tight little body on Valentin @R332 is spectacular.

Agreed, R350.

I'll bet that Gaitok and Pornchai have excellent hygiene, to include their cute little tushies. Rick's and Gary/Greg's hygiene are highly questionable, and Saxon and Lochan are prone to an occasional skidmark.

90 minute finale.

Interesting bits. Cathartic sad?

Cathartic sad?

Yikes. The composer went rogues in the NYT article describing his falling out with Mike White and general behind-the-scenes drama.

I could relate to Laurie, I hold my feelings in until I end up going off on people like my family who are typical WASPS and are fake

Pay wall

Wow. That composer was VERY candid. And he won’t be back for S4.

It's a shame, I love his music and it does add a TON to the show. But what a little bitch he is.

Laura Dern feuded with Mike on Enlightened too which is why the show ended after two seasons. It’s written about in the book made about HBO. They have only recently patched things up.

I think the only person he has consistently gotten on well with was Molly Shannon.

The NYT article sans paywall

I think it will end with Mook stealing the gun from Gaitok and going on a shooting spree. Everyone dies. Covered in blood and surrounded by corpses, Mook then starts belting out a Blackpink song. Roll credits.

Who the fuck cares about the theme music. Most of us probably skip over it.

The theme music was extremely popular.

HBO forcing White to do longer and longer seasons because of the record-breaking numbers the show is getting, and now the composer leaving and taking one of the most recognisable aspects of the show with him...

I see dark clouds gathering on the horizon for season 4, so I'll keep my hopes low.

[quote] I see dark clouds gathering on the horizon for season 4, so I'll keep my hopes low.

If one of the characters is a composer, whatever money I have left is on that character's demise.

White lotus in space would be cool.

r367 it's not just the music over the credits, it's all the music in every episode, which has been a huge part of the show. The music has been extremely important in keeping a sense of tension going. Plus I think you're wrong about most people skipping over the credits - the credits (and the change in music this season) have been a huge talking point. I'd say that the composer's score has been very nearly as important as anything to the success of The White Lotus.

I wonder if they throw a bunch of money at him, he would relent and sign up for season four.

Whoever said that most people skip over the credits for this show has no idea what he/she is talking about. Not by a country mile.

The score, since season 1, has been doing a lot of the heavy lifting. By design this show is written to be vague and open to interpretation. Losing this composer on top of this lackluster season is really gonna hurt.

All this talk about the opening credits music but nothing about the phenomenal and eye-catching artwork under it??

I noticed that some of that artwork featured in the opening is hanging in Timothy and Victoria’s hotel room.

The artwork used in the second season's credits was on the walls of the palace Daphne and Harper stayed in overnight in Sicily.

You can rent GreGary’s villa

Chelsea will get caught in the crosshairs and get killed when the men come for Rick

[quote]But at least one of the actors is worried about the fan reaction to the finale. “People are going to hate Mike White,” Le Bon predicted.

Yup, as others have said, definitely sounds like Chelsea is going to die especially coming from the actress who worked with Aimee. Also another actor slipped the names of two people who would live.

The only other nice characters people would care about are Belinda and Piper but Chelsea is very much loved by viewers and not considered boring.

Maybe both Rick and Chelsea dies- Rick tries to save her, but gets shot also, falls into the lagoon.

Part of me feels like "People are going to hate Mike White" could also mean NOBODY dies. If the "death" has been a fake-out the entire time I could see people being pissed. We don't ever actully see a dead body - just something floating in the water!

Because who gets killed can be so off the wall in The White Lotus, I’m thinking Frank might be the one who dies. Sritala will call the police to evict Rick from the hotel and Frank will be collateral damage as the shooting breaks out. That’ll teach him to fall off the wagon.

[quote]Part of me feels like "People are going to hate Mike White" could also mean NOBODY dies.

At 48 seconds into the finale promo, you can see them wheeling a body out. So, someone dies.

The statements by the actors in interviews are clear that one or more people die.

I don’t know, does anyone really care who dies? I mean, I know it was a big deal when Tanya died in S2 but wasn’t it played more for comedy? It’s not like there was pathos.

The death isn’t typically…felt. That’s why I doubt it’s Chelsea. That would be kind of sad. It’s more likely to be kind of funny and the characters will move on rather quickly from it. The only impact it will have on them is self-centred, “it could’ve been me.”

God, reading that NYT article it is cringeworthy how serious people take this show, including the actors.

Sure, it is interesting and i have also been commenting on the several threads, and is fun reading them, but come on.

How dare people take their work seriously

They have really ramped up the “Chelsea thinks she can save a bad guy from himself” bit. This is so classically pathological, I’d be very surprised if she doesn’t die as a result of Rick’s stupid antics.

[QUOTE] God, reading that NYT article it is cringeworthy how serious people take this show, including the actors.

Hater.

If the actors and other creators don't take their work seriously, all you get is shit art.

I’m thinking Walton Goggins is this generation’s Bruce Dern.

The cast impersonates Victoria

That was so fun to watch. Thanks, R393!

Sam gives a very enthusiastic Parker.

I feel like White and Parker Posey are trying too hard to make Victoria the new Tanya. It just isn’t working.

How is it not working? Her performance is the most vital element of the show. It’s everywhere.

*viral

Thought I posted Greg/Gary's villa that you could rent.

Tanya >>> Victoria

Jennifer >>> Parker

R393 gaitok is hot in real life. I like the buzzcut.

R400 IRL, PP > JC. In TWL, Tanya > Victoria.

I love those imitations!

I am genuinely surprised Sam Nivola is the best (with Patrick Schwarzenegger the second best).

I am equally surprised Carrie Coon is the worst.

R371 = Elon musk

Patrick has the body movements down, but Sam has the voice.

Sam would be a good Norman Bates in the Psycho remake.

Carrie Coon is a little rough around the edges. She’s quite gruff in a brusque, lesbian sort of way.

Mike White rambling. It's okay on YouTube, because you can shut it off.

Does he have an identifiable skin condition?

[quote] Q. He didn’t want the Season 1 theme?

[quote] A. He had a temp score, a song that is more like something you would listen to in Ibiza, in some clubby place with a chill, sexy vibe. And there’s literally no edge to it. It’s a good song; it’s nice music. There’s just absolutely no — whatever you find in the “White Lotus” music, the relationships with the characters — there’s none of that. It’s just nice background music.

Mike White should go with his original idea for music, for season four.

That would be a huge fuck you to the asshole music producer.

[quote] Does he have an identifiable skin condition?

Albinism?

[quote] People are going to hate Mike White,” Le Bon predicted.

I was going to say Belinda, but I don't think people care too much about her character.

She's too boring.

R407 Carrie Coon is just really unsexy imo

More group interviews.

Things that came up...

- Jason may have dropped a spoiler at 10:29 so avoid around that area.

- The cast loved Patrick.

- Walton and Isaacs get some jabs in at each other.

- Posey skipped out on being interviewed.

- Mike White thought both Parker Posey and Aimee were funny.

- Jon Gries seems like the sweetest man.

- Jason comes across as chaotic.

[quote]gaitok is hot in real life. I like the buzzcut.

And he looks so fresh and airy in that getup at r393. Man, I wish I could pull off beige still.

I hate to be the person to open DL's anti-trans can-of-worms bullshit on these WL threads but apparently Mike White went on Milky Loads' podcast and laughed about anti-trans nonsense with creepy Sullivan, ughh

Whoever on Reddit started that thread linked at R414 is too stupid to live; Andrew Sullivan promoted the "Bell Jar" theory? LOL.

Unfortunately I think it's likely Chelsea will die - it would fit with the tragedy arc of Rick's life. He will realize he truly loves her and what a blessing she is and then poof.

And her death would likely be all his fault. True tragedy.

Rick is an enormously self-indulgent dickhead. I can say that because he and I have very similar backstories—eerily so. One of my parents was killed while doing”do-gooder” work. My surviving parent basically abandoned the kids.

Anyway, you suck it up and shut it down. It’s the only way. I’m angry about a lot of things these days, but I don’t wallow in self-pity about things that happened 40 years ago.

Rick apparently has money. He has ride-or-die friends. He has a woman who truly loves him. But all he can do is ruminate on shit that happened 40 years ago.

Mike White really sounds like a complelx guy. The cast all admire him and like him so much, yet he also sounds like he can also be an exacting and controlling nightmare to work with.

But again, when has this show ever functioned as a tragedy?

It’s meant to be social satire, innit?

Pretty much

r414 Yeah, I saw them bitching about it on Reddit when the composer quit, saying Mike White must be the one to blame because he's also anti-trans for appearing on that podcast. Knew it was only a matter of time, they'd been suspiciously quiet since that Sam Rockwell monologue everyone (except them) found hysterical.

Also, that sub is beyond saving, most of their content last year wasn't even celeb gossip, but just posts about celebs making comments about Gaza. They'll never learn that the zeitgeist has shifted, they're the worst of the worst of the terminally online leftie slacktivism.

Belinda and Kate bonding Down Undah.

Joined by Patrick and Pam!

Chelsea dying does seem like a strong possibility after episode seven. Sritala sends her bodyguards after Rick, and Chelsea gets caught in the crossfire.

Fucking Rick.

He will end up getting his friend AND his girlfriend killed.

I would hope Mike White wouldn't be stupid enough to kill off Sam Rockwell in the hope he could join S4,

No way. Sam has to get fucked by men while wearing a kamono in S4.

R427, sounded like, from one of the stories coming out, he didn't even want to do this role.

R426, that would fit with speculation that more than one person dies, it would suit Rick to end up all alone in the world.

I was glad they put Charlotte Le Bon on one of the Entertainment Weekly covers. She's been a huge part of the show, even if she isn't in the opening credits. While I feel bad for the person she replaced, she earned it.

Who discredited autogynophilia? Other autogynophiles?

I’m not fond of that actress who plays Piper. I suspect we’ll never see her again.

While Coon is a little chunky, Bibb is too skeletal and looks terrible on that Hollywood Reporter picture. Actresses need to find the healthy, Goldilocks weight.

Sam Nivola looks like the kid from the original Jurassic Park at R429. Maybe it's just the auburn hair color.

Mike White’s vision for season 3 came to him as he was recovering from a near death experience.

I wonder what that might mean for the themes and the finale?

Both Rick and Tim seem like they’ve been having one extended near death experience all season.

The scene with Rick in the next episode preview looks dreamlike.

It means earrings and caftans

Count on chaos, delirium, and the feverish state brought on by the toxins of the pong pong fruit to inform some of the cinematography, which has been at times creative this season.

I hope that it's Greg who dies.

The Twitter catfight between Meghan McCain and Carrie Coon is hilarious. Meghan described Coon’s character Laurie as “sleeping with hotel staff and showing her tits to everyone.” Memo to Meghan-Laurie was getting banged by Vlad who is NOT hotel staff. Pay attention, dear.

R439 So ridiculous.. And I thought that despite her other idiocy, M. McCain hated Trump.

Carrie Coon trolling that banshee only makes me love her more

No one wants to see McCain’s flabby udders.

[quote] Other than her friends telling Laurie she's dissatisfied with her life is there any indication in the storytelling/performance that Laurie is dissatisfied with her life? I'm really not getting that about the character, who seems to me very confident and content.

Really? She seems notably insecure to me. I feel DLers are conflating their love of Carrie Coon with Laurie.

In terms of the group dynamic she is the beta. She not as tall, not as pretty, not as popular, and as a hard nosed lawyer is not as feminine as her girlfriends. She “has” to make money from her brain, or her looks, like the other women. And is punished by having to pay alimony to her ex husband for doing so. She ran off crying on the first night. She is exhibiting prime pick-me characteristics by whipping off her top for attention at the pool after boring everyone senseless whining about her career. And she is behaving like a rebellious teenager on her gap year by sneaking off to fuck a random Russian who she knows has a girlfriend, after she criticised Jaclyn for being unfaithful.

And she’s choosing to remain friends with women who make her feel bad.

These are archetypal characters. Remember Miranda from SATC? She was slim, intelligent, successful and sexually liberated. She also very clearly felt like the ugly duckling, was embittered, jealous and judgemental.

Some people just like to cat fight

Just how much did Arnold pay HBO to have everyone gush about his talent free nepo baby

I agree Laurie is the beta, but that's more because she's falling back into old patterns with the trio than she would naturally be the beta. The other two get by on their looks, whereas she's forged a career from her brains.

Sometimes when you're caught in a toxic long-term friendship you just have to have the strength to leave it, because you cannot keep letting old dynamics drag you down. These three women are just too critical of one another to have a healthy friendship anymore. They hold each other in contempt, and once that enters either a sexual relationship or an intense former friendship, the relationship has to end. You cannot be with people who hold you in contempt.

Kate is the Beta. Stuck in Bumfuck Texas vs. her two bicoastal, professional friends.

And what is her claim to status? Married to a MAGA. I bet her hubby is cheating on her with a young staffer !

Surprised it was just one. He got around.

R448, and they were probably young male twink interns, too!

[quote]Memo to Meghan-Laurie was getting banged by Vlad who is NOT hotel staff. Pay attention, dear.

Memo to R439 - Laurie was banged by [bold]Aleksei[/bold], who is NOT hotel staff. Pay attention, dear.

Good series are too short.

It sounds like Jaclyn's husband is also cheating on her because he keeps going AWOL on her.

Jaclyn is famous now, but pretty blonde TV stars are rarely famous forever.

Dear HBO, we need more shows like this. Do better. Please.

I'd ask HBO to get Mike to make another series but it sounds like he might die of exhaustion.

R452, isn’t Jaclyn's husband younger than her?

I was hoping I could find a White Lotus Finale watch party, in a local venue perhaps. But DL will do fine. I've got the Rosé chilling.

R456, will you be having Thai food?

[quote] I agree Laurie is the beta, but that's more because she's falling back into old patterns with the trio than she would naturally be the beta. The other two get by on their looks, whereas she's forged a career from her brains.

Laurie is a beta because she hasn’t decentered trying to fight her friends for male attention using her looks and sexuality when her reality is that she attracts men via her financial status. Jaclyn and Kate attract men via the social capital that their looks provide; Kate by submitting and acting maternal, Jaclyn by commanding (no coincidence she has a younger husband).

Of course Jaclyn and Kate aren’t unintelligent, and Laurie isn’t unattractive, but Laurie doesn’t have that social capital. Jaclyn does and Valentin played hard to get with her, and it’s no coincidence that the night ended with Valentin fucking Jaclyn in her 5 star hotel room because she’s a powerful celebrity. He negged her into her allowing him to luxuriate in her wealth and luxury and body. Alexsei was fucked by Laurie in her dingy apartment with her hunching away on him, because he allowed her access to his body to get access to her money.

A strong and confident woman wouldn’t mind that Jaclyn is needling her to get laid and wouldn’t feel betrayed by Valentin not choosing her. So when DLers say how strong and confident Laurie is I wonder what show they’re watching.

White Lotus is modern social satire like Thackeray or Austen so interpersonal play needs to examined through that “narrow” lens. This season is far too long and there is not quite enough plot to fill it up, but Mike White’s writing is as sharp as ever.

I wonder if Patrick channeled Don Junior in his performance? Seems like it

Mike White has confirmed that Joseph Baena stars in S4.

Isn't Jaclyn covering the expense of this getaway for all 3 of them - or at least the cost of the WL suite? That would tend to establish her de facto alpha status power dynamic. With Laurie coming off as somewhat of a less than supplicant ingrate, even as she merely tries to hold her own.

[quote] I wonder if Patrick channeled Don Junior in his performance? Seems like it.

Yes, even if not intentionally. I've seen flashes of DJTJ in his expressions from the start. Especially in that cramped, squared-off smile that he gives. Which unfortunately for him, might also be something that's physically imposed.

Yes R461, she's financing the whole trip, I believe including flights. That was a nice touch in the writing. Her "alpha" status isn't limited to looks and fame.

I guess I'm late to the party. I tried to comment 3 DL threads ago re: the White Lotus, but they're all filled - so here I am in thread #8.

I'm staying at a friends house that has MAX and so I just watched White Lotus Season 3, episodes 6 and 7 ... and all I have to say is ...

What a nothing burger.

Seriously? This is controversial and has social media buzzing? Did I watch the right episodes? That was a total waste of 2 hours.

I've just been informed of the fact that Jacklyn's husband Harrison was voiced by none other than DL uberfave Glen Powell! Had no idea they were doing more than one celeb phone voice per season. He sounded hot too, like a jock.

Well you can't say Carrie Coon has not examined her character as Laurie in depth.

I knew it was somebody and I couldn't place it -- thanks r465

I think Laurie does well money-wise but we're supposed to think the whole alimony thing is dicking her over on that front - all three women have money but Jacklyn does the best and is the only one without strings on hers

Megan McCain is a pigfaced cunt. She's recently been licking the boots of the man who vilified her father.

Kelly Osbourne used to be my most hated celebrity. Now, it's Megan I think.

R459 exactly! I had that thought the other day as well. The mannerisms are similar.

I remember Maria & children in attendance at the 2004 GOP Convention. They all clapped dutifully at Arnold’s anodyne applause lines. But when Arnold delivered partisan red meat, Maria put her hands on the children’s hands to stifle their claps.

Sexy people are ready for this to be the last thing

Jaclyn isn’t that pretty. I know many common women who are prettier. She does radiate confidence though and she’s super skinny. Laurie’s character is not much outside of her success as a lawyer.

R464–the first season was excellent. The second season was not, but it had a big finish. So far the third season has been a real disappointment, but the ratings are going up, so there will surely be a fourth. Hopefully, Mike White, who writes and directs everything himself, will bring in some fresh blood, for his own sake and the audience’s.

I know Carrie Coon is universally loved, but I find her irritating. I can’t figure out why.

R474 I’ve come to that very conclusion. I think she’s talented but utterly insufferable.

R450, OK, so I named the wrong interchangeable Russian pal of Valentin’s. He was still NOT hotel staff which was the reason McCain’s comment was so idiotic. So fuck off, dear.

My first introduction to Carrie was Gilded Age and her Hidden Valley Ranch accent so I found her kind of annoying too. I like her in this tho

I love that Coon's forehead remains unbotoxed, unlike Bibb's and Monaghan's. It's refreshing to see those lines. I think Posey has been very light with her procedures as well.

I think what's insufferable and annoying is hearing her dissect this shallowly drawn character like she's Lady Macbeth.

For me, so much of what she says she's doing with Laurie is subtext, barely coming through onscreen. If the series was better and bolder this season, maybe there'd be room for that kind of subtlety, but I find her character mostly just ordinary and uninteresting.

The body is Pornchai.

R480 he tries to protect Belinda when she doesn't take the money and Gary comes for her.

Pornchai is not relevant enough to die in the series, there needs to be more there, there.

The Veg News (“Veg” for vegan) claims that the luxury resort site for season 4 of WHITE LOTUS has been chosen and that it’s Koukoumi, a vegan luxury resort retreat on Mykonos, Greece.

I agree Pornchai cannot be the only dead cast member in the final, r482, but he certainly can be among the dead if more than one character is killed.

Pretty certain Posey and Issacs did NOT get on

^Why not?

r482 Yeah, and I also just realised that Mike probably wouldn't kill off a local. At least that's been the case in the previous two seasons. There's also been a spoiler image showing the casket being repatriated, which doesn't make sense for a Thai person.

Well, I'm glad to be wrong. I hope he lives a long and happy life, he's so kind and handsome. But without Belinda, she brings too much baggage with her.

r483 I hope you realise that was an April Fools' joke. A niche vegan website ain't landing exclusives on anything White Lotus, lol.

Pornchai just isn't central enough to the story to be the only one killed. it would have to be one of the people on the cover of the latest Hollywood Reporter if just one character is killed.

I'm hoping at least 5 of the main characters bite the dust. I'm guessing Chelsea, Gaitok, Victoria, 1 of the 3 lady-friends and Greg, Anything less would be disappointing.

All season I’ve been thinking there’s no reason to bring back Greg/Gary except to kill him off. I don’t want to see his ass in season 4! Though I love Jon Gries.

Now, I will be utterly shocked if Rick, Frank, and Chelsea don’t all end up dead.

While the Ratliffs stole the show, this season is really about Rick. His inability to overcome his obsession with revenge took over his whole life, blinding him to his good fortune.

This is a tragedy on a grander scale than Duke Dad’s “I’m just another shady finance bro” story. We’ll likely see that tragedy play out on an equally grand scale— the deaths of two favorite characters (Frank and Chelsea.)

Rick appears to be a lucky guy except for his very unhappy childhood. Granted, that’s very difficult to overcome. But what would the Darfur Orphan ™️ have to say about that?

[quote] Yeah, and I also just realised that Mike probably wouldn't kill off a local. At least that's been the case in the previous two seasons.

He sent one to prison for armed robbery, assault and kidnapping.

And he was hot local, too!

R483. That April Fool’s article was dispensed with days ago. Keep up.

R491. When last we saw Rick he had an air of serenity and contentment ….and he was not doing blow or fucking.

Why would Frank go to The White Lotus? Their little operation is over.

In the last episode, I think Pam will finally crack when someone uses their phone in the dining area. "No phones!" she screams, before running to the guard station. She knocks out Gaitok, steals the gun and begins firing indiscriminately at anyone holding a phone or even near a phone. Chelsea, calling Rick for the 20th time, catches a bullet. Tim gets shot right after his lawyer tells him he's taken care of his situation and everything will be fine.

Roll credits. See you in season four.

I think Fabian goes on a rampage over how unappreciated his performance was.

While I don’t care for Parker Posey’s performance as Victoria, I am very happy that she is getting so much attention and acclaim. I hope it leads to more and bigger roles for her.

I think Fabian will be revealed to have been one of the Hitler clones from The Boys from Brazil all grown up. Hitler had aspirations of being a nightclub singer, you know,

Hindenburg was working the big room and I...I was playing the lounge

R466 In that interview Coons says that Laurie is alcoholic, and not taking responsibility for her actions, followed by,

"And one of the questions we ask in AA and ALANON is - What is my part?. And she is not asking that question."

Sounds like she has some personal familiarity with Alcoholics Anonymous's methodologies.

^^ Coon NOT Coons

r502 Both she and Letts have spoken about doing AA, etc, before

Yeah, that tracks. Coon has the gruff demeanor of an alkie.

Coon said on Marc Maron’s podcast that she’s been sober for five years and Letts has been sober for, I think, twenty. She started out at AlAnon but shifted to AA when she chose sobriety.

She did a great job as acting like a hardy partier. Real life experience.

Actually, Coon says her drinking problem happened while she was being a stay-at-home mom during Covid and was bored out of her mind, so she started drinking.

One more episode and then it's on to the long awaited season two of The Last of Us. Pedro Pascal, swoon.

R509 I love Pedro, but not a fan of the zombie genre. Based on the description of their affliction, I'm just assuming I wouldn't have the stomach for it. And so I haven't even watched the bottle episode with Murray Bartlett and Nick Offerman

r510, that is the best episode in the series.

Drinking causes cancer. It's a carcinogen.

I bought two bottles of Moscato today. One for $3.99. Alcohol made in the U.S. won't have a tariff, so it's something everyone but alcoholics should indulge in.

R513 Thanks for letting us know.

Where's that fucking rosé?

Maybe Jesus will save her from those Buddhists?

The actor playing Gaitok was apparently too ripped when he got cast, so Mike told him to stop working out for a couple of months in order to get a physique more suited to his character. Sucks for us!

Anyway, today might be the very last time we hear those delightful woo-woos and ooh-loo-loos, so treasure every single one of them when you hear them. Same for anything that comes out of Victoria's mouth.

Sooooo-naaaahhhh-meeeee!

It's the day of the White Lotus finale, where is everyone? At church still?

[quote] The actor playing Gaitok was apparently too ripped when he got cast, so Mike told him to stop working out for a couple of months in order to get a physique more suited to his character.

I should say!

Gaitok was the winner of a Thailand Idol-type competition.

Will you rice queens give it a rest?

There's a lot riding on tonight's finale!!!!

r520 Damn, now I'm no longer surprised by those beautiful forearm veins. Pretty much impossible to get rid of those even if you stop working out.

I’m starting to cry already

Carrie Coon says she has been sober for five years but started drinking during Covid five years ago. That doesn’t make sense. Was she an alcoholic for a month?

Probably 3 months- that was the average time that American citizens stayed in their home.

Maybe she felt sad

Or unemployable.

I've been sober for a little over a decade now. I'd LOVE to get drunk regularly, it's just that I'm poor and don't have any friends, lol.

I’m so sad that it’s over after tonight! Definitely not a PERFECT season, but it’s for sure more interesting than most stuff on TV right now. Plus, I’m going to miss these threads. The past 8 weeks has been the most fun I’ve had on DL in years!

You know White Lotus loves a shocking twist. Someone who barely speaks will be the one floating, and we’ll all be screaming, “Who is this?!”

It’ll be the quiet one sitting in the corner with a drink, watching everyone else implode. At the end, they’ll just be like, “I’m just here for the free food, honey.” They always survive.

R530, you need to check into the white lotus

I think there will be several deaths.

Greg/Gary will have Pornchai kill Belinda.

Lochlan is the body in the water.

Saxon retrieves his phone and discovers his father is in trouble. He’s the one who decides to use the deadly fruit to kill Tim and Victoria, and then himself.

Jonestown Redux

R534 should be a show writer

You all keep acting like this White Lotus: Guyana Tragedy.

I mean who said it was a massacre?

[quote] Greg/Gary will have Pornchai kill Belinda.

How will that work? Via mind control?

"Come to me. I command you to turn around. Look into my eyes. Deep into my eyes. You have no will of your own." -- Angelique

[quote] [R534] should be a show writer

Yes, for "General Hospital" circa 1985.

Gaitok actor is a great singer.

I wish he could have his teeth fixed. It's off-putting.

Omg! OMG! O M G !!

I hope Thai restaurants are prepared for the onslaught of Pad Thai orders this evening.

I see what you did there.

Pornchai will take off his clothes

Sneak peak of the finale

R539 will Ginny Blake get away with framing Bobbi for the murder of DL Brock?

Jonestown? What a FABULOUS vacation idea. Can we drink the Kool-aid? Can we? No poison, of course, but we could bring buckets and Dixie cups. You know, for the experience.

Where is Robert Scorpio when you need him?

Tim finds peace.

We need a new post.

I’m betting Part 9 will be full before the night is over.

R549 I’d like to give Tim some peace by giving him a piece… of my ass!

R542, will you be enjoying some pad see ew? Perhaps some Tom Yum soup?

I was thinking earlier that it would be cool if Lochlan became a cult leader. A cult in which all male members receive the righteous handjob.

[quote]I hope Thai restaurants are prepared for the onslaught of Pad Thai orders this evening.

I was out panic buying at Michaels late this afternoon (the last day of the Lowest Prices of the Season, including spring floral and décor) and picked up my Pad Thai on the way home and am eating some of it now. I think I'll wait to eat more until the show starts.

With the finale just hours away & this thread soon to close. it's not too early for the new thread.

Part 9 in the link.

R547 drink all the Kool Aid you want, but I’d stay away from the Flavor Aid!

Hour and 20 minute warning.

I will miss the sophistication of the fan theories: Tanya has been reincarnated as the lizard in Belinda's bungalow; the three gossip girls are one woman suffering from DID.

It's weird to me that it's almost universally agreed this has been a disappointing season for the show, yet this has been far and away the most popular of the seasons.

My guess is it has to do with escapism during a particularly stressful period in people's lives.

They should do it in a Latin Brazilian or Spanish speaking country

White Lotus: Colombia, bitches. Cocaine, male hustlers, and more. Make it happen, MW.

Mike White has said he wants to do a season in Australia, as well as all the other continents except Antarctica.

I was late watching the last episode because of being away at a beach resort myself so forgive my post on a minor topic from the last thread.

I love my kindle, but buy a physical book to read when going on a beach vacation because electronics a (salt and/or chlorine especially) electronics don’t mix.

[quote]It's weird to me that it's almost universally agreed this has been a disappointing season for the show

That is in no way "almost universally agreed" you deluded fuckwit.

This season is more popular because both the characters and the actors are better in total than the previous seasons, even though the characters don't do much. I think Mike White is seeing the feedback that a lot of people felt the season was too boring and so he will make improvements for the next season.

True story: I am currently staying at a White Lotus-type resort hidden away somewhere in Mexico. It would be perfect. Added touch: today at lunch I was seated near three women…who bitched their way through the meal.

When worlds collide!

Were they eating anything besides fruit plates, r567?

R568, larb.

They were questioning the source of the maize used in the farm-to-table appetizer. Seriously. The waiter reiterated everything was sourced locally in the State of ______.

Two minute warning

Just seeing Rick in the recap reaffirms that he is the worse thing to ever happen to White Lotus. Lame storyline. Lame character. I hope he dies tonight.

R572 = Woody Harrelson, counting his dollar bills

No real time analysis, like the SOTU?!

I remember Rick very well because of his forehead. There's something so disconcerting about his hairline. It's uncanny valley.

I didn't remember until today that really bad dresser from the last season. She wasn't that memorable.

I just started it right now I'm a little late.

That look on Parker Posey’s face when she’s been vindicated!

Bust out crying

Jason’s eyes are really poppin’ in that blue polo. Beautiful!

Uh oh Gaitok is going to get himself killed by letting the Russian know he is suspicous

Shouldn't Ratliff's pills be gone by now? I don't see a 24 hour Walgreens for refills...

R580, don’t wait to tell people incriminating information. If you wait, you’ll get killed . . .

Chekhov's gun...the fruit comes into play

Oh shit...

I’m dying for this guy to just kill himself and put us out of our misery.

I’ve had sufficient of mopey Duke Dad

Maybe in his mind he will spare Lochlan because Lochlan is the only family member who could live with no money or things

Lochlan could “please” me any time. Lil’ cutie.

Jason Isaacs in that scene with Lochlan looked like the dad from Josman's "My Wild and raunchy Son."

Maybe Mook will kill him? Suspicous that she is always popping up and getting after him to be more agressive.

Greg looks so sad and mopey all the time. I know he’s morally grey, but I’d cheer him up, sexually.

Mook is the fucking worst.

Zion’s hubris and ego is unattractive.

R587 and watch Lochlan be the only one to drink the milkshake. And die.

Can it be Mook who dies and not Gaitok? He’s the sweetest.

This

Thread

Is.

Dying

Like Mike White’s writing

🤡

No trauma?? Tim is putting Lochlan in position to watch his entire family die!

Live from White Lotus here in Mexico: the three women are next to me at the resort’s fancy restaurant.

All I’ve got.

LOCHLAN LIVES!

Rejoice!