The White Lotus Season 3 Part 7

Link to part 6.

The 3 friends. How in the hell are they still friends after all these years, they act like they can’t stand each other. Or trust each other. And I really hope Parker Posey’s character gets shot.

I'd like to see Belinda off Greg to avenge her friend Tanya. Doubt that happens, though.

Sam nivola- I’m straight so we’re all queer, I mean clear. I like puss. Seeeeeee, my girlfriend is here watching us film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote] The 3 friends. How in the hell are they still friends after all these years, they act like they can’t stand each other. Or trust each other.

They're not friends.

They're "friends." Like most popular girls from high school were back then and then are later.

I kind of hope the three blondes end up involved in the final shooting incident, just because they seem the least likely to be of all the characters. Everyone's expecting Greg and Belinda, or the Ratliffs, or even rick to be involved in the gun vioklence.

I like Rick and Chelsea, there's real affection there.

Please Mike kill off the two nepos.

^^People need to get over the whole nepo crap. It's always been around and it's not going anywhere any time soon.

r2, They're all spread apart- L.A., N.Y., and Texas. Sounds like they kept in touch over the phone, but not in person.

Jonathan Groff and Lea Michele as an Aborigine couple in the Australian outback-SEASON 4!!!!

R8 is just annoyed that the episode six didn’t screech to a halt for a half hour explicit incestuous flip- fuck sesh between Lochlan and Saxon, with the two actors then coming out as proud gay men during the post episode interview.

[quote] I'd like to see Belinda off Greg to avenge her friend Tanya.

As was made abundantly clear to Belinda, she and Tanya weren’t friends.

“Saxon is not a victim, he and Lochlan are both products of the patriarchy!”

[quote] forgot about that cunt mean girl Paula who caused the cute Hawaiian WL employee to get sassy to his superiors and ended up losing his job.

He wasn’t fired for being sassy. He was arrested for robbery and assault. She ruined his life.

The Paula actress is by far the weakest on the show in all 3 seasons.

Queerbaiting is unforgivable.

[quote]the weeks building up to this moment already had people acting as if they were going to be irreparably traumatized by fictional incest — which, in turn, became an opportunity for others to point out how goofy that is.

[quote]"IT’S A FICTION, NOT A MORAL TREATISE."

[quote] I like Rick and Chelsea, there's real affection there.

I actually wonder if those two actors had a fling in Thailand.

They look very cozy together.

Walt and Aimee Lou at the market.

From all descriptions, there was considerable downtime in that 6-7 month period, during which much fraternization among cast members took place. Sounds like an all-around good time.

Walt and Aimee look like a couple here.

Goggins has talked in interviews about how close he and Amy Lou became.

He seems gay to me, but who knows.

The hand job was enough. There didn’t and doesn’t need to be more. Anyone saying it was totally normal and common has no boundaries. Who cares if it can’t result in a pregnancy. I feel like the same posters would also defend dad and son sex. Wtf?

Let's talk more about Jason Isaacs' shapely legs and Walt Goggins' golden chest.

Came here to fangirl over Aimee Lou. Stayed to comment on the brother dynamic. The actor says that the motivation was Lachlan's need to get his brother's approval and to somehow connect with him. If that's the motivation, then I will be deeply disappointed. I have been looking forward to the moment that the little brother reveals his true character as manipulative and shockingly corrupted. That would have been interesting.

R26, Goggins has an incredible body. Where has he been all my life?

Lochy can’t be more’n 18! He hasn’t had time to have a past!

Did you know any little sociopaths in your high school? I sure did!

"It's not lost on me that Mike White intentionally cast/styled Patrick Schwarzenegger and Sam Nivola in THE WHITE LOTUS to have strikingly similar appearances to Oliver and Elio in CALL ME BY YOUR NAME..." -- Justin Camuso-Stall

[quote] I have been looking forward to the moment that the little brother reveals his true character as manipulative and shockingly corrupted. That would have been interesting.

So far, Lochlan has been only sweet and innocent, so it must be disappointing.

[quote]They're "friends." Like most popular girls from high school were back then and then are later.

Yup, and I take it from them having to "update" each other on each other's lives initially, they only see and talk to each other occasionally.

I would not be shocked if they end this with a massive fight and then plan a vacation next year to catch up because that's what those kinds of groups do. They are toxic but their shared past always keeps them together.

R4, Sam Nivola is straight with an openly bisexual girlfriend. He's living the dream. The heterosexual dream.

I don’t see the women’s relationship as “toxic” because they gossip about each other and have some long-held resentments. They have their shared past, which is important, and they are having a good time together.

Well, they were having a good time together.

[quote] I don’t see the women’s relationship as “toxic”

I too would not call it specifically “toxic”. It’s more about showing how women can’t trust each other and how even with friends they need to watch their back. It’s something for female viewers to relate to.

Same plot device in Season 1. The relationship between Olivia and Paula was strained when Olivia went after Kai who had been having sex with Paula. This prompted Paula to set up the robbery, but the last time we see the two friends they are cuddling together in bed.

[quote] People need to get over the whole nepo crap. It's always been around and it's not going anywhere any time soon.

Yeah, it's always been around, sure, but don't be obtuse darling. You can't swing a cat without hitting a child of a star in film/TV these days. It's important to note how much more common it is now and to kick the tires on the whole situation. It's a boom.

Hopefully it goes beyond hand jobs.

[quote] Patrick Schwarzenegger Won’t Watch the Rest of ‘White Lotus’ With His Family Because It Gets Too ‘Bonkers’

Even though Patrick Schwarzenegger’s family watched previous episodes of “The White Lotus” together, the actor said he’ll skip the group watch for the last few episodes of Season 3.

The actor, whose parents are Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver, said he could handle his family seeing his first-ever nude scene, but what’s coming up on the Max series is even more “bonkers.”

When asked if he’d excuse himself from the room during certain scenes, he replied, “I’ll definitely take a bathroom break. The last episodes are crazy.”

He didn’t get into specifics, but the previous two episodes featured spoiled rich character Saxon sharing a drug-fueled kiss with his younger brother Lochlan (Sam Nivola) which led to an incestuous threesome with Chloe (Charlotte Le Bon) — one that both brothers claim they can’t remember.

When asked to elaborate on what happens after that, Schwarzenegger merely said, “It’s bonkers. It gets bonkers.”

And we've hit the point in the week where posters resort to reposting the opinions of random people off social media.

I wish the relationship between the 3 women was MORE toxic. It's all so undramatic and ordinary. I can't imagine any of those 3 actresses wanting to give up 7 months of their lives to play those boring characters (I wonder if they were promised some rewrites that never happened?). They may be getting a lot of press for the series now, but it'll be all forgotten in a few months and their careers won't be improved by it.

Well, at least they spent some time in the exotic sun and got to eat a lot of fruit salad.

[quote] Goggins has an incredible body. Where has he been all my life?

He was one of “The Hateful Eight.”

I didn’t know him.

r41, you think that is new?

r42, don't underrate a good fruit salad

My whole point is it's NOT new, it happens every week, r44. It's Wednesday and we're about there now.

Gaitok's tooshie looks so good in those cream pants, and don't think I didn't notice his beautiful forearm veins in the latest episode either. So when are we getting that coveted shirtless shot?

"tooshie"?

his ass looks great

Is eating that much fruit at breakfast safe for Westerners’ digestion?

You should eat at least five pieces of (different) fruit every day to stay healthy. And it's probably best to get most of it in at breakfast, to get you going. Better than caffeine.

Hendricks says every actor in the world wants to be in The White Lotus.

[quote]“I’ve seen all these videos of Parker Posey on Instagram. Every actor in the world wants to be a part of ‘The White Lotus’: it’s like they’ve all won the lottery. You don’t just get a TV show – you get a whole new life. I’m sure they’re enjoying every minute of it,” she said.

[quote]“Television leaves a great impact on people. There are always shows that everyone’s talking about and right now, it’s ‘The White Lotus.’ We all sit around and talk about it weekly. There is something about TV that makes you feel connected. I especially enjoy it when you can’t binge it and when you have to wait.”

She's plugging her new show, which came out a month ago.

R50: Fruit at breakfast (and as a snack) is very common in Thailand and the tropical fruits are one of the things I miss about the place.

The 3 women don't seem all that intensely connected to each other and also don't seem like "old friends". If they truly went at each other it would be more interesting than the relationship that's been portrayed thus far.

R48 his jacksy! His heiney! His rump! His posterior! His fundament!

[quote]R4, Sam Nivola is straight with an openly bisexual girlfriend. He's living the dream. The heterosexual dream.

Indeed. There's no POSSIBLE WAY he could be into all that gross homo stuff with men. He's ALL RED-BLOODED MAN!!!

The actors on all 3 seasons of WL never eat anything besides fruit in those breakfast scenes. Where are the pancakes and bacon? The waffles? The chocolate croissants??

[quote]Even though Patrick Schwarzenegger’s family watched previous episodes of “The White Lotus” together, the actor said he’ll skip the group watch for the last few episodes of Season 3. The actor, whose parents are Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver, said he could handle his family seeing his first-ever nude scene, but what’s coming up on the Max series is even more “bonkers.”

More bonkers than finding out his father had been fucking the housekeeper for his literal entire life, and having a bastard half-brother to show for it?

Which, just as a reminder, actually happen. And Patrick happened to be a HS senior at the time, in an interesting coincidence.

There's a thing about friendship, particularly long-lasting ones. At any point, your close friends are going to tend to be people who are actively in your life. Many (most?) people tend to live in changing circumstances, such as moving, changing jobs (or coming out as gay!). We make new friends; old friends fade out of your life, but many friends might retain the friend status through the years. You accumulate old friends, some of whom at one time would have been your best friends.

But people change and grow-apart. You may cherish your old friends primarily because of what they meant to you. When you visit with these friends, the interactions are going to based on your established relationship mixed with the people you have become. And people's lives are big and complicated. You're you, playing what you remember as a version of you, and you see in them a version of who they used to be. But you're not the same people who were once close friends.

Walton Goggins breakout role was with Michael Chikilis in The Shield.

He’s done a ton of TV and movies since.

He is excellent in Fallout.

I have secret relatives revealed on both sides of my family. I bet a lot of you have skeletons in your closets that you might not even know about. My dad has a secret half-brother somewhere who was whisked away into adoption when my grandfather convinced his pregnant secretary to temporarily move to Atlanta and then give the baby up for adoption in order to save his marriage with my grandmother. It all came out anyway and then he divorced my grandmother and married the secretary anyway and had two daughters with her. I don’t think my half-aunts (one of whom is only two years older than me) know they have a full brother out there somewhere. I always check my 23andMe email alert for new relatives to see if he pops up. I love to cause drama so I would immediately reach out and invite him to the next big family function.

It’s all very WASP.

On-topic: I actually really like this idea that the girl group is more directly related to the whodunit aspect of the season than we have been assuming. It’s not something I’ve read anywhere but here.

[quote]Walton Goggins breakout role was with Michael Chikilis in The Shield.

And he was great in Justified opposite Timothy Olyphant.

I'll be shocked if the 3 Girl Group become in any way involved in the violent finale climax, other than spreading the Kleenex.

r58, that's often true, but not always.

There is the in character reason r56, white lotus characters are typically fit and thin and very much the type of people that watch their calories they eat. You think those three women are eating much carbs?!

And there is the real world reason. The actors also need to watch their weight, when you are filming a long scene you are going to have something that you feel okay with taking bites of when needed as you can do many takes of the scene. A light low calorie food, not some croissant.

It’s surprising the 3 are still hanging out since one is a star and all. She gets kudos for still being friends with 2 childhood friends. White women are fucking super toxic. Shush, we all know that to be true. White women are each other’s worst enemies.

Gaitok is so hot. I want him to fuck me silly in the guard shack.

If I was at this resort, I’d have fucked almost every male there, plus Valentin’s friends.

[quote] The actors on all 3 seasons of WL never eat anything besides fruit in those breakfast scenes. Where are the pancakes and bacon? The waffles? The chocolate croissants??

You've forgotten that Jennifer Coolidge's character Tonya was always putting down the sweets and carbs at the breakfast table in both S1 and S2.

I would bet that the Leslie Bibb and Michelle Monaghan characters (like the actresses themselves) probably have not have chocolate or pancakes since the Reagan administration.

[quote] Fruit at breakfast (and as a snack) is very common in Thailand and the tropical fruits are one of the things I miss about the place.

Plus a heaping helping of food poisoning and e-coli from the filthy water in Thailand.

[quote] The actors on all 3 seasons of WL never eat anything besides fruit in those breakfast scenes. Where are the pancakes and bacon? The waffles? The chocolate croissants??

In WL Season 1 they always showed a full breakfast buffet with bacon, eggs, and everything else.

In fact, one scene showed the buffet attendants watching in horror, as the DOUCHEBRO filled up his plate with food.

I know the actress who played Paula in S1 is generally considered here to have been on the weaker side compared to what we’ve now seen throughout three seasons, however there was something about that actress that totally fit the character for me. So I’m not as much of a hater of her performance.

[quote] Anyone saying it was totally normal and common has no boundaries. Who cares if it can’t result in a pregnancy.

And who cares if it could result in pregnancy - deformed, inbred, hideous-looking freak pregnancies?

This is fictional entertainment, not fucking Rules To Live By. The characters are not meant to be role models.

Are you as equally concerned about the extreme and myriad ways dramas have concocted for people to kill one another on screen? Often shown in graphic detail? Way worse than a couple of actors pretending to have sex.

R71 and he was delightfully unhinged in HBO's Vice Principals. Lee Russell is a character and a half! Check it out, it's only two seasons.

[quote] The hand job was enough. There didn’t and doesn’t need to be more. Anyone saying it was totally normal and common has no boundaries. Who cares if it can’t result in a pregnancy. I feel like the same posters would also defend dad and son sex.

But it's WRONG!

[italic]Shockingly[/italic] wrong!

They've established on the show that the White Lotus resorts around the world are run differently from location to location, and that this one is more oriented towards being healthy, so it makes sense the Hawaii and Sicily locations would have richer and more sinful options for breakfast, while this one would just have fruit.

[quote]Walton Goggins breakout role was with Michael Chikilis in The Shield. He’s done a ton of TV and movies since.

I agree with R61 that he was outstanding on "Justified," but at the time he was pumping Nicole Kidman-huge levels of Botox into his admittedly large forehead. His performance was enough to outshine it, but it's pretty obnoxious. (Plus he had insanely bright veneers back then.)

R72 Tonya at the breakfast buffet in Taormina, Sicily, "Oh uhm, do you have any cookie cake?"

[quote]I don’t see the women’s relationship as “toxic” because they gossip about each other and have some long-held resentments.

[quote]I too would not call it specifically “toxic”. It’s more about showing how women can’t trust each other and how even with friends they need to watch their back. It’s something for female viewers to relate to.

The relationship the women have with each other is both normal and toxic. Hell, many gay men have groups like this too. I have a friend that used to fuck every guy I liked. I still think of him as a friend because we've been friends for 20+ years. I, however, no longer tell him anything about my life outside of the 1 to 2 times a year I see him. I learned.

However, one of the themes of this season is "karma," (along with spirituality and death) like this season's poster said, "Karma comes for everyone."

Laurie said it early on and then reiterated it again, the thing that Jacklyn did with Valentin she has done before. Everything the woman are doing and have gone through they've likely done before. One was even called out on doing the thing she used to do when they were younger.

There's something weird that can happen when you get around old friends from school: you immediately fall back into those old roles. The players in your lives may change but the social hierarchy doesn't. However, with these women, instead of breaking the "karmic cycle" they just do the same thing over and over again every time they get together. They would be better off being apart but they just can't let go of their old entanglements. They maybe even secretly love it. However, that doesn't mean it's good for their mental health or that it reflects every relationship they have with other women.

Inside Walton Goggins’s Enchanting 1920s New York Lodge

R76 TRIGGER ALERT: Video contains an image of a man and his son, both naked, holding hands.

I need to rewatch the opening. It's the son of the Hawaiian masseuse, the one who wanted to open a spa with Tanya, her son saying be careful, my mom's out there? Then someone is randomly shooting everywhere but are they a mass shooter?

Could it be the guards trying to shoot? He prays to the Buddha statue but gives up. Is that a sign? Someone who mentioned Buddha?

Maybe it's a shoot out between the guy and Sam Rockwell confronting the owner and the guard is firing back. A big shootout wild west style.

r78, many of the questions you ask are not clearly answered (we never find out if it is one shooter or several shooters), but you should watch the beginning again anyway to remind yourself of where the show is going.

[quote] The actors on all 3 seasons of WL never eat anything besides fruit in those breakfast scenes. Where are the pancakes and bacon? The waffles? The chocolate croissants??

Shane filling his plate in Season 1.

R77 is a mentally ill lunatic.

I can't be bothered to read all of these White Lotus threads. I'm just wondering if anyone has mentioned that after the incest handjob scene, the next day, the brothers were wearing each other's bathing suits. Oops.

If you read them, you would see that other people did indeed mention that, r83.

[quote] the brothers were wearing each other's bathing suits

It’s an important element in the story, showing that Saxon wanted his own genitals to rub on fabric that had held his brother’s.

r83, indeed they were, and saxon couldn't even be bothered to button his shirt properly

R82 has zero ability to detect quite obvious sarcasm.

R77 was clearly targeting the DL incest police who haunt this thread.

[quote]Anyone saying it was totally normal and common has no boundaries.

I've only observed this discussion from afar up until now but I find it very telling, the way detractors of same-sex sibling incest often resort to personal attacks, as if knowing deep down they have no actual arguments against it beyond the (very subjective) icky sensation in their gut. They aren't even able to recognise that their own personal position wasn't arrived at through argument in the first place, but has always been there as a result of a very specific cultural context they were brought up in.

Love that Mike White is tackling this subject matter, I've never once encountered a good argument against it beyond "it's wrong because it feels wrong to me and I personally would never do it." It sometimes feels like the Enlightenment never happened when you're arguing with these people.

Different strokes for different folks.

God, I don’t think there’s a drug in the world that would make me get with my brutha.

I wouldn't want to get with her brother either.

She might get with her sister.

Can't believe the guy who played the main Buddhist monk is just a famous journalist in Thailand who's never acted before. Honestly, outstanding job.

The White Loytus

R89, do you seriously believe that Mike White's take away from this will be that it's all good? There's no way the brothers walk away from this in good shape in the end.

That whole family is fucked after dad’s illegal business shit. It’s not just Victoria who won’t be able to live as a poor. Saxon will go off the deep end.

Parker was asked how Victoria would react if Tim had shot and killed himself. She said she would call Pam, have her take care of it, while she looked for someone with sedatives. And she wasn't joking. No love lost on Vickie.

Why the uproar over incest? It’s a fucking DRAMA. You want new, interesting things to happen that are uncommon just like horror fans watch the increasingly popular Terrifier movies to new, interesting ways for Art the Clown to kill people.

Relax and enjoy the show.

Kind of my point. R69

I like Nicole Kidman, but I do NOT want her on The White Lotus.

I was under the impression that at the start of E1 Zion had just arrived that day and was killing time with a meditation session while his Mom finished her work day. I am quietly hoping that E7 brings us up to the shooting and the real climax still comes from Greg’s dinner party.

R89 it actually has nothing do to with “same sex”, it has to do with being siblings. If all teen siblings are hooking up on the down low and feel good about it, I am happy to be in the minority of people who never did that and wouldn’t. Gross.

Nope, the same-sex bit is actually crucial because it takes away the main solid argument against it – the possibility of offspring.

[quote]Gross.

And there you go again, running back to your gut feeling like a blankie. No arguments, just vague distaste. And we're supposed to base our collective morals on that?

R89 has a Nifty attitude about the subject.

It's not about fantasising about it, it's about having an adult conversation about it. I'd never do it personally, but I have no issues with others doing it.

I was reminded this episode of that iconic "I will not NOT be rich!" line from Renata Klein. Remember Big Little Lies? Seems like an eternity ago. Wish it had more to say about rich people, but I realise it wasn't that kind of show.

R94, he’s HOT

r93, I thought they were twins, but they're 3 years apart. The bucktooth gene is strong in that family.

R104 thinking about hooking up with my brother or sister is gross to me. It needs to have more of an argument and supporting evidence? I’m done. I will happily be the “abnormal” one here.

[quote]No arguments, just vague distaste.

No one is trying to “argue” except you. And I suspect you are someone who would argue with a wall (as my grandmother would say.)

sexy sluts

Very curious why Gregary would want the Ratliffe boys at his party. I don’t think it’s for sex and I don’t think he’s jealous about Chloe.

I'm curious why gregory would spell his name that way

Greg-Gary

He wants Saxon to do something for him. Possibly Belinda related. He’ll threaten to tell Tim about Saxon and Lochlan’s hookup if Saxon doesn’t comply. He’s got Saxon by the balls.

That makes sense, except what could he possibly need Saxon to do? He's surely got a staff of his own goons in Thailand.

I think it’s just a plot contrivance to get everyone together.

Shake Saxon down for money?

I have seen no indication that Chloe told Greg about Saxon and Lochlan hooking up. That theory seems like quite a leap.

We do know that the yacht crew talks to Greg-Gary

But Chloe paid the yacht crew off, I thought?

Greg seemed very sure something happened, so whatever she paid the crew didn't keep him completely in the dark. It wasn't hard to guess anyway.

He probably has cameras

[quote] He’s got Saxon by the balls.

Those belong to me!

Of course he has cameras on board his luxury yacht!

does he have an OF?

Someone make a porn with Patrick and Sam lookalikes and make a billion dollars

Ladies! It’s *GreGary*.

[quote]It’s an important element in the story, showing that Saxon wanted his own genitals to rub on fabric that had held his brother’s.

No, it's a borderline-inconsequential event, and presumably added to the plot solely to make it clearer to the audience – via a form of visual cue – that the brothers weren't merely "imagining things" while rolling on molly. Both Saxon, as well as the audience, immediately clocked something was "off" from that aspect alone, thus prompting his subsequent flashbacks.

Also, please spare us your incest fetish. It's cringe.

There was all that theorizing that Greg or whatever we're calling him was gay when his photo was on Quentin's yacht - maybe he wants to blackmail the brothers to be his sexual playthings

I don’t find it necessary to call John Gries’s character anything but Greg (which is the character’s real name). Making a portmanteau of his two names is really frau-ish tbh.

Base on the amount of thinly disguised incest porn online, I think an incest fetish is not unusual. Of course they are usually “step-fathers” and “step-brothers” in porn, but I think that’s just to make it seem acceptable.

Water droplets have never been shot so beautifully, I now understand why this took almost seven months to film.

[quote]I need to rewatch the opening. It's the son of the Hawaiian masseuse, the one who wanted to open a spa with Tanya, her son saying be careful, my mom's out there? Then someone is randomly shooting everywhere but are they a mass shooter?

I rewatched the opener last week. It at least infers that Zion had only just arrived, but upon rewatch you can tell that's not the case. The only thing we can see is Zion having a meditation session with the woman who's also been helping Rick and his tortured thoughts. You can't even tell which day it takes place. To break it down: Zion first hears a couple of distant sounds that seemed to be gunfire, but then 10 seconds later the gunshots have gotten significantly closer. Finally they see various people running – all impossible to ID – and several gun shots hit the meditation pavilion. All we know is that it takes place in the middle of the day, and there appears to be Gaitak or Pornchai (or another employee in a khaki uniform) floating face-down in the water (Zion jumped into a shallow lagoon of some sort).

[quote]R89, do you seriously believe that Mike White's take away from this will be that it's all good? There's no way the brothers walk away from this in good shape in the end.

I agree with you, but OTOH the brothers' fairly brief incest moment may very well be overshadowed by Piper or one of their parents getting shot. The entire Ratliff family is a walking tragedy; it's only a question of how bad it gets. (But yes, I suspect the first thing we'll see on the next show is Lachlan's "HOLY FUCK" realization at the monastery; we only saw the first bit.)

[quote]I don’t find it necessary to call John Gries’s character anything but Greg (which is the character’s real name). Making a portmanteau of his two names is really frau-ish tbh.

I support use of both of his chosen names.

[quote]That makes sense, except what could he possibly need Saxon to do? He's surely got a staff of his own goons in Thailand.

True, but we still have no idea what Greg's master plan is here. For all we know it could have something to do with whatever shit Timothy's gotten himself into back in the States. Or maybe Greg needs someone "unassuming" – like, say, a friendly looking and hot American finance bro, and also clearly affluent (for now) – to do something for him at the hotel.

Or it could just be that he's a jealous asshole and planning to kill Saxon for fucking his wife. (He may not know that Lochlan was the one who banged his wife, and it's possible the only "action" Saxon got was the handjob from his brother, *not* Chloe.)

[quote]I think it’s just a plot contrivance to get everyone together.

Actually, what I suspect may be the contrivance here is placing both Piper & Lochlan well outside of both the hotel's vicinity as well as Greg's house – meaning it's conceivable either he or another villain could break in and hold one or both hostage. (What I'm also wondering is if Lochlan being gone from the hotel for two nights in the row – the previous night being spent on the S.S. Incest – is somehow relevant.)

[quote]Of course he has cameras on board his luxury yacht!

Not sure if you've ever been on a large yacht, but this would be extremely weird in the real world. Nobody puts cameras in staterooms / bedrooms, and what possible reason could there be for having them in a yacht's living areas? All "real" yachts (at least 100 feet long) have a full-time crew, with at least one person on board 24/7, plus obviously marinas have their own security systems. Finally, Greg presumably has a dock near his extremely lavish house, and it's safe to assume it has cameras or an alarm system of some sort.

And c'mon: Greg may be mysterious, but he's definitely no idiot, and he knows full well that a former escort he "picked up" in Dubai isn't the type to be faithful. He also has eyes and met the Ratliff boys, and even if he's straight, he could've immediately clocked that Chloe might hook up with one or both of them.

[quote]I have seen no indication that Chloe told Greg about Saxon and Lochlan hooking up.

Same. This is a significant stretch: I think the core problem is Greg assuming *Saxon* fucked Chloe, not Lochlan, and is either jealous about it (though he didn't seem like it) or suspects Saxon is morally ambiguous – good call if so – and possibly willing to participate in his plan, particularly since Rick's conveniently MIA in Bangkok for a second night as well.

The dead body looked to be a dark haired male wearing a white or khaki colored collard shirt.

It’s not bald Greg, that’s for sure.

Greg wants to use saxon for something because he knows Saxon’s not a morally upright guy if he sleeps with someone else’s girlfriend. Greg’s got something shady planned and he needs someone like saxon to be involved.

And from the preview of Saxon and Tim, sounds like Saxon will go for it.

[quote] I don’t find it necessary to call John Gries’s character anything but Greg (which is the character’s real name).

That's not really been established as a fact yet. For all we know, "Gary" is his real name and "Greg" was the pseudonym--or he may even have a third real first name we haven't been told yet.

It doesn’t make any sense that Greg would rely on a stranger when he’s got a staff and friends.

[quote] That makes sense, except what could he possibly need Saxon to do?

Well, some of it is at least so "bonkers", that Patrick doesn't want to be in the room while his family is watching, so it should be.good - enough to make the Nellies here whine Gross and Cringe.

He was talking about Eps 5 & 6

R79 Why would they be there? They are all the way in Bangkok. And why would Sam confront the hotel owner?

R131 Quentin said he had fallen for a straight cowboy. Later we learn that he was talking about Greg. It would make zero sense for him to be with Chloe if he was gay. He was with Tanya for the money, but with Chloe? And getting jealous when he saw her on the yacht getting cozy with Saxon. Actually, even before that, when he saw them exchanging looks at the dinner.

Okay well that would be disappointing. In an interview posted yesterday he says that the "rest of the episodes are bonkers", but is not specific.

r131, Quentin was in love with a cowboy who was straight. It's quite possible Greg/Gary was using Quentin to kill Tanya on the strength of unrequited love and money for his manse.

Do you Americans really eat fruit with a knife and fork?

[quote]The dead body looked to be a dark haired male wearing a white or khaki colored collard shirt.

Right – meaning it's almost certainly a Thai employee of the hotel, all of whom have dark hair and wear khaki shirts.

[quote]Okay well that would be disappointing. In an interview posted yesterday he says that the "rest of the episodes are bonkers", but is not specific.

They've been saying THE ENTIRE FUCKING SEASON that it was "by fire the best to date" because "Mike had SO much more time to write this time around. Also that it would "only get better & better" as the season progressed. Instead it's merely gotten more & more "meh," brief incest storyline notwithstanding.

It's not necessarily too late to turn the ship around, but most of the episodes (including this week's, again minus the S.S. Philadelphia, a.k.a. the "yacht of brotherly love").

[quote]Do you Americans really eat fruit with a knife and fork?

Sure, depending on the fruit. They're usually needed for melon of some sort. Still, I wouldn't call it commonplace, unless you're counting slicing oranges or apples into individual pieces.

When they're cut up and presented as dish on a dish, yes. whole fruit, no.

[quote]I don’t find it necessary to call John Gries’s character anything but Greg (which is the character’s real name).

I don't think it's that big of a deal to call him GreGary or Gary. Only one person on the series knows he is Greg. To everyone else he's Gary. Unless Belinda is in a scene with him, all the other characters will call him Gary and even she might still call him Gary since she wouldn't want to piss him off.

[quote](He may not know that Lochlan was the one who banged his wife, and it's possible the only "action" Saxon got was the handjob from his brother, *not* Chloe.)

This is tricky. When Greg/Gary asks which brother she slept with, she doesn't tell him.

But when Chloe is talking to Saxon, she claims she told him that it was Saxon that slept with her.

She doesn't tell Saxon he wants to see *both* brothers until the end of their conversation when she throws in, "Bring your brother!" She makes it sound like he only wants to see Saxon.

However, both brothers actually slept with her. We saw Saxon start off making out with Chloe. He also says he fucked her and she doesn't deny it, it's just later Lachlan did too while giving him a hand job.

She does seem to be protecting Lachlan.

[quote]He also has eyes and met the Ratliff boys, and even if he's straight, he could've immediately clocked that Chloe might hook up with one or both of them.

Exactly, all he needs to know is that she left the doc with some men and Chelsea while everyone else was gone. He knows what kind of person Chloe is.

I think Greg is going to pressure Saxon into fencing the jewels that were stolen in the heist by his henchmen the three Russians. This connection handily ropes our three frenemies into the main plot -up until now they’ve been isolated from the interconnections between the other tourists

Interesting, Piratejenny1

Who are the people you least suspect to be the shooter?

Least: -wannabe Buddhist daughter, because she meditates and feels God - the 3 blonde frau - the mousey tooth one, gf of actor Gibbous, some weird name, has a hairline like Jack Nicholson - the Quebec hooker - the hotel dancer/worker in love with the guard - the spa lady, Zion's mom -suicidal dad (too obvious) - the guy who wants revenge for never knowing his father ( too obvious) - Greg/Gary whatever ( too obvious) -the mysterious owner and his wife -( they probably don't do anything because why would you shoot up your own resort?)

Suspects and motives: - the younger brother of the weird Duke fam, Lochlan? (He's just psycho) -the older brother (same reason) -the guard in love with the hotel lady ( she dies somehow and he goes berserk defending her- why else would they show these people and build up a storyline?)** - sam Rockwell - He's crazy enough to do it, though it doesn't make sense, he is crazy. - The Southern mom with a pill problem (the 90s it girl)- something about not wanting to live anymore if she didn't have any money

Primary suspects: someone in the Duke family or the hotel guard

I think R154 was on molly when he watched

I actually had it in a nice list and the format ran together when I hit submit.

[quote]the jewels that were stolen

Ha, I'd forgotten about that

R152 Why would Greg rob some shitty little jewelry store that is located in a resort where he eats every day and the stuff knows him, not that far away from his house. Guy has a mansion right above the world famous resort, has a gigantic yacht. That jewelery would be pennies to him

Maybe he wanted to wear them

Wouldn't those bodyguards frisk Rick and his friends when they came to Sritala's property?

Funny how Sam Rockwell and the actress that plays Sritala are billed as the main cast, while actress portraying Chloe is recurring, when she had more screen time than those two combined. She definitely has a bigger role than Piper and maybe even some other main cast names

Michelle (Chloe) LeBon needs a new agent. Stat!

Maybe Chloe has less to do over the next two. I certainly think Sam and Sritala have a lot coming

Did anyone see the spoiler shot of all three siblings on the boat home

Sam has publicly spoken about what he sees in Lochlan’s future after their trip is over, so we know the character survives.

Yeah, but I don't believe it. I think Lochy stays with the Buddhists.

[quote] Do you Americans really eat fruit with a knife and fork?

I always eat blueberries with chopsticks.

If Lochy stayed with the Buddhists, it would be too much like S1 where the youngest child stayed with the outriggers.

Yeah, except he didn't incest his sib

incest is not a verb.

[quote]Michelle (Chloe) LeBon needs a new agent. Stat!

I was just saying this. They should have negotiated to get her in the opening credits. She has a huge role.

Originally Francesca Corney was hired to play the role. However, after she made it to Thailand, and was hanging out with the cast Mike let her go and hired Le Bon. The official word is that the original actress looked too young to be with Jon Gries, so they wanted someone older. Strangely she would have been less creepy with Lachlan.

Some people speculated that hiring her would have also played into stereotypes about Thailand (as a sex worker) that they didn't necessarily want to touch. Le Bon's people may have been so happy to get her on the show so quickly they didn't want to push it but they really should have.

Here are the original Chloe and Chelsea.

I see .. so she was possibly fired for being young and Asian? Because they didn't want to discriminate against Asians? Or have fallout from someone young and play into stereotypes? Damned if do, damned if don't.

Hope she still got her full pay check because she was screwed.

[quote]incest is not a verb.

It is now!

[quote] there appears to be Gaitak or Pornchai (or another employee in a khaki uniform) floating face-down in the water (Zion jumped into a shallow lagoon of some sort)

We've already established that it's a crocodile in the water, and it's going to eat Zion.

Pay attention!

Yummo! Zion is a snack

I just learned today that the actress who plays the Texas woman was the blonde girl in Popular.

No phones and eat fruit for breakfast!. Well care first, beautiful people.

The shooter is Belinda. They pushed her too far.

I don't expect the actors to eat pancakes and chocolate croissants, but it would be nice to occasionally see that shit on their breakfast plates.

Those three women are thin and I'm sure they did not want the temptation of carbohydrates every scene. Ok Google

R152, in Italy.. I don't really remember if the two couples had narrative connections with the other guests... Must be minimal or I'm just not remembering how.

r152, I cannot imagine why Greg, who is now so insanely rich (Tonya was worth $500million) would care about fencing those pieces of jewelry.

The Greg fencing jewelry theory is not even worth any further discussion. Total logic fail.

It's interesting how accurate they got the faux supportive housewife, suicidal dad dynamic.

Carrie Coon is not THAT thin, and it would've been funny seeing her scarfing down waffles and a side of bacon next to her friends' fruit plates. And it would be another thing they could gossip about when she goes to the ladies' room.

Over dinner tonight my husband and I were remembering how fabulous Parker Posey was as that scary Southern DA in the true crime TV movie about the murder of the wife played by Toni Colette on the staircase by her philandering gay husband played by Colin Firth.

Parker really can be quite wonderful with good material.

Spoiler:

The shooter is definitely Pam, who is so insensed about the guests using their phones, that she starts shooting at all of them.

Opening credits explained . . .

Patrick Schwarzenegger was in The Staircase too, R186.

R185 Exactly. The Coon character would eat fruit and perhaps a muffin or croissant. The other two would eat one hard boiled egg. Well, one each, not one split for two.

Parker Posey was Connie Bradshaw in the PBS Tales in the City miniseries, loved her every since.

Will he be FRAMED?

R191, me too, have a real soft place in my heart for her

The scene in "Tales of the City" where Connie is angry with Brian after sex for no clear reason (until it turns out she's upset it's her birthday) is one of my favorite scenes in the series.

I agree

I'm forgetting....was Parker in the original iteration of Tale of the City or the later reboot?

r196 both

My all-time favorite Parker Posey character is the horrible yuppie woman in "Best in Show." I love her so much when she's screaming in the hotel room: "You call yourself a maid?" "A pet store downstairs? What are you, a wizard, a genius? Why didn't you tell me that before?"

Do we think we'll get some non-white guests next season? Rich, privileged fuckers come in all colours, after all. I know Mike doesn't have a writers' room and that he can only write from his own experience, but still. The whole conceit of white guests versus the oppressed exotic locals might get a bit stale after four seasons.

Belinda is a guest this season, and she's not white. Neither is her son Zion, who is also a guest.

Last season, Ethan was played by Will Sharpe, who is Eurasian. And his wife Harper was Puerto Rican, and was the actress who played her, Aubrey Plaza.

R198 I liked Best in Show, though not my favorite Parker Posey performance. But I love the story that the director Christopher Guest tells - one quirk of her character and her husband's in the movie is that they are both described as adults with braces. Parker showed up for the first day of the shoot with a full mouth of actual braces. Commitment to the role.

Carrie Coon said the temperature while they were there was frequently above 110F, and very humid, so it's something of a miracle that they don't appear more sweaty than they do - even indoors as they need to turn off the AC while shooting. That does seem remarkable. I assumed Rick and Greg's clammy exteriors were wholly intentional.

Meanwhile Patrick's illegitimate brother's nephew died from suicide last week. I heard the kids won't have anything to do with the maid's son. Ahnuld was the the White Lotus premiere with brown hair and a white beard.

It’s interesting how in a cast quiz for Vanity Fair, Sam Nivola asks the other cast members if they know what actor inspired him to start acting. Jason Isaacs guessed Montgomery Clift.

Isaacs is a saucy bitch!

R194 "oppressed" exotic locals in season two were all white people. Unlike some guests, like Ethan and Harper.

R202 Why do they need to turn off the AC?

R207 Apparently standard AC doesn't meet the requirements for the audio recording. Seems like something they could take care of in post-production, but that's what she said. At least they should be able to turn it off and on around the take.

R204 Ha! So who was it? His father?

I always thought Carrie Coon would have a bigger career because she was so good in The Leftovers. Nice to see her get a good part. I know this is a whole different thread but it is surprising how often actors come off a hot role in a show and then their career just flounders.

Good thing they're not shooting the show now, 7.7 earthquake in Thailand today.

R204 Screaming! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

They know.

A friend of mine grew up in Laurel,Ms and sort of knew the Posey family. He says Parker was known to be a little eccentric but super smart and normal, but that the rest of her family—mother, father, twin brother— are/were totally batshit crazy.

To all the carb freaks; The servings of fruit, the three girlfriends are eating are loaded with just as much sugar as a normal serving of flour pancakes/ croissants, etc. The fruit however is healthier, because they are whole foods, that contain fiber, which slows down the digestion/ absorption of its sugar. Therefore, lower spikes of insulin... enough.

[quote] You've forgotten that Jennifer Coolidge's character Tonya was always putting down the sweets and carbs at the breakfast table in both S1 and S2.

And Greg despised her for it. The heiress can afford to indulge in life and eat pastries. All the other bourgeois folks striving to get and maintain wealth take their bodies as seriously as their college degrees.

[quote]I would bet that the Leslie Bibb and Michelle Monaghan characters (like the actresses themselves) probably have not have chocolate or pancakes since the Reagan administration.

Nor neurotic lawyer Carrie Coon.

[quote]R204 Ha! So who was it? His father?

Leslie guessed James Dean, but Sam said the actor who inspired him to get into acting was Juliette Binoche.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Uhh, no, I wouldn't bet. Coon taking a pizza break while filming "The Gilded Age"

I want to see Johnny Bailey on this show, but he might be too big for it at this point. Sad!

Omg, he could be there with his rich sugary daddy and everything. Yeah, he can still pull off a twink look, see Wicked.

r207, unless it's filmed in a studio built for filming (a lot of tv series are shot in studios and it gets so cold that the crew are wearing puffer jackets), a/c units on location are too noisy to record sound for sound continuity purposes (we also turn off heating, phones, PA connections).. If we film in a practical kitchen, we have to turn off refrigerators and freezers as well. Unless we know if there is a long set up between takes (20 min or more), a/c won't be turned on because it takes a bit for it to gear up and to close down.

R205, he is, i love her!

Love Carrie Coon but I do wonder if her dreadfully affected performance in The Gilded Age (much of it not her fault due to Julian Fellowes' lousy scripts) hasn't kept her from getting better offers. She was smart to take on this high-profile role on WL just because it's closer to her real persona (even if, so far, she hasn't gotten to do much of interest).

The Gilded Age is a gilded cage for her. No signs of a talented actress under all those costumes and stiff demeanor.

Arnold’s youngest son has a nephew?

[quote]Love Carrie Coon but I do wonder if her dreadfully affected performance in The Gilded Age (much of it not her fault due to Julian Fellowes' lousy scripts) hasn't kept her from getting better offers.

Given that her Gilded Age performance landed her a Best Actress Emmy nomination last year, I'd guess not.

[quote]Isaacs is a saucy bitch!

One of the questions on a "How Well Do You Know..." segment had Carrie Coon asking on what social media platform does she share an account with her husband and Jason Isaacs yelled, "Grindr!"

[quote]Isaacs is a saucy bitch!

Did you see that interview where he's bitching about having to audition for Mike White?

[quote]“I went, ‘Tape? With Mike?’ And they go, ‘No, with a casting director.’ ‘Really? OK.’ I don’t want to get too big for my boots, but I walked through Times Square and my face was on like five different billboards.’

The Coonmeister is the best thing about The Gilded Age, some posters here be tripping.

I agree

R106 consider that there are frequently unhealthy power dynamics at play with close relatives, so the idea that it cab be entirely consensual is at the very least clouded.

Patrick is the one

[quote]Carrie Coon said the temperature while they were there was frequently above 110F, and very humid, so it's something of a miracle that they don't appear more sweaty than they do.

Finally! I've been WANTING to see some commentary on the weather, if only because Thailand has specific seasons when you should definitely *not* go. It varies depending on the region, but Koh Samui's in the Gulf of Thailand, and its peak season (mostly dry & mild, at least by Thai terms) is Dec-Feb. March thru May are hot & sticky – think South Florida in August, but worse – and the rainy season is June-August. OTOH the *worst* time to go is monsoon season (Sept-Nov), which is the rainy season on steroids, and they wrapped last August barely in the nick of time.

I've been curious if this shoot was an unusually miserable one – the Med is hot AF in the summer, but that's still way better than monsoon season – and it sounds like it was to some extent. (But OTOH the entire cast was housed in $2,000/night hotel villas for six months, so I doubt they were that stressed.)

[quote]My all-time favorite Parker Posey character is the horrible yuppie woman in "Best in Show."

Same, and I remain pissed that this show is largely wasting her talents. By any reasonable measure, Victoria should have ended up as iconic of a character as Tonya. But this season's writing just isn't up to snuff there.

[quote]Apparently standard AC doesn't meet the requirements for the audio recording. Seems like something they could take care of in post-production, but that's what she said.

This is standard for location shoots in general btw, but yes, I'm surprised no one's developed something akin to the same noise-cancellation headphones or AirPods in common use – "tuned" more or less to ignore / not record whatever sound frequency the A/C units are on.

[quote]I always thought Carrie Coon would have a bigger career because she was so good in The Leftovers.

True, but to be fair, she's managed to stand out as the lead amongst a truly talented bevy of actors on "The Gilded Age." No small feat! (Particularly when many of her scenes are with the likes of Nathan Lane!)

[quote]The Gilded Age is a gilded cage for her. No signs of a talented actress under all those costumes and stiff demeanor.

Utterly bizarre take, and I can only assume you & R223 are weird AF. (And as noted, Emmy voters clearly disagree that the role has "no signs of a talented actress.")

The Carrie Coon hater on here is fucking deranged. And extremely repetitious (MULTIPLE comments about her Gilded Age performance which, yes, was Emmy-nominated).

Go outside and play with your Carrie voodoo doll, sweetie. The adults are having an adult conversation.

And finally: no, Lochlan wasn't "hot" for Saxon, and it in no way helps him as a character. (But he MIGHT be kinda-sorta-possibly bi.)

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Where do you think Lochlan falls in terms of his own sexuality?

I think he doesn't know. I had a long conversation with Mike before we started. I knew I needed to ask him a few questions, but the main one that I wanted to know was "where does Lochlan wind up at the end of this season?" Is the nature of The White Lotus that everyone leaves different than when they came in? Everyone changes and everyone grows for better or for worse?” And he was like, "No, that would be a totally reductive view of what humanity is and the way people react to real life things. Of course, some people change and some people are open to change and some people don't, and that's just how it is."

I don't think Lochlan really does change. Without revealing exactly what happens, I think that Lochlan comes to The White Lotus completely lost and he leaves completely lost. He is not really any bit more clear about his life than he was when he came in. I think that applies to his sexuality, sure. I think he doesn't know whether he likes guys or girls or both or whatever. I think the same goes for everything in his life, too. UNC, Duke—he just does not know. Maybe he has a little bit of closure in the fact that he sort of recognizes and knows that he does not know by the end. But that’s the most he gets.

Loclan is in high school. Just how clear about his life should he be?

How can someone “not know” whether he likes boys or girls? For most people that’s pretty automatic. I suppose he can not know if he will ever act on any same sex attraction that he may feel, but the attraction is either there or it isn’t there. It’s no mystery.

[quote] "'I have a lot of creepy old men DM’ing me,' Sam Nivola tells me over the phone from his East Village apartment."

Were they all creepy? That would be hard to believe. At his age and level of maturity, Sam likely lumped them all together without bothering to try to discern which were the keepers.

I bet Harrisons a hot stud. He's 10 years younger, right?

[QUOTE] Not quite as sad as a gaggle of geriatric gays lusting after his teenage character's traumatizing experience.

Troll-dar has revealed that you are the same GASH who is constantly making homophobic comments about gay men on multiple threads yet, for some reason, you cannot stay away from a predominantly gay forum. Let me guess - the love of your life was a gay man who rejected you?

Proud to say I haven’t DMed Sam Nivola

[quote]How can someone “not know” whether he likes boys or girls? For most people that’s pretty automatic.

I won't pretend to understand it, either, but quite a few people claim they didn't realize their actual sexual orientation until high school or beyond. I can see why this might be the case either in extreme conservative families that still think being gay is a "lifestyle choice," or if a closeted kid grows up in any sort of repressive environment, but just as a reminder, even our real-life VP "wondered if he might be gay" at around Lochlan's age.

I've known I liked boys since around age 11, but I was an early bloomer.

I’m proud to say when I DMed Sam and he said “Fuck off, pervert,” I took “no” for an answer, and limited my responses from that point forward to small talk and a few probing questions to assess his happiness. It’s a question of respect.

[quote] Proud to say I haven’t DMed Sam Nivola

I haven’t yet either. It’s better to wait until after the show ends and the attention dies down. Improves one’s odds.

[quote] I won't pretend to understand it, either, but quite a few people claim they didn't realize their actual sexual orientation until high school or beyond.

Is that what Sam Nivola will claim one day when he ditches the beard?

[quote]Sam said the actor who inspired him to get into acting was Juliette Binoche.

Of course, the real influences were no doubt his actor parents.

R236 So it sounds like we can conclude that his character doesn't leave as a corpse.

I was tired of Tonya by the 2nd season

Not to jump to conclusions but saying Lochlan doesn’t know whether he likes boys or girls makes me think Sam doesn’t know.

I am so sick of Lochlan, Lachlan and Sam Nivola.

I wonder if there will be some sort of written onscreen acknowledgment of the earthquake before Sunday’s episode. I think when the dust settles (pardon my pun) there will be an awful lot of fatal casualties in Bangkok.

[quote]Not to jump to conclusions but saying Lochlan doesn’t know whether he likes boys or girls makes me think Sam doesn’t know.

I'll sure as fuck jump to a few. Guess which other "straight" actor came out after his decidedly queer storyline on S1? Lukas Gage. Also Kit Connor after "Heartstopper" S1. (Yes, I know neither had a known dating history with girls/women. But still.)

Still-closeted actors have also long been drawn to queer-coded entertainment. Think Colton Haynes and "Teen Wolf," or then-still-"straight" Kristen Stewart in "The Runaways." Or Jake G. in "Brokeback."

R252 Do grow up.

R249 Sorry, if you have a dick, you know what you are wired to be attracted to. Yes, it may be buried under layers of denial, but it's no mystery.

I assumed Gilded Age was a stuffy costume drama, which may turn out to be the case, but I've been convinced by the Coon debate here, to add it to my watchlist.

R251 The earthquake was 650 miles from Bangkok. That’s a long ass way. I’m guessing the damage there will be some high profile but local scenes, like the collapsing under construction high rise and the pool water.

Myanmar is where the tragedy is going to be.

[quote]I assumed Gilded Age was a stuffy costume drama, which may turn out to be the case, but I've been convinced by the Coon debate here, to add it to my watchlist.

It was a bit more serious in Season 1, but more fun in Season 2--which probably saved it from cancellation.

The show started out with more of a focus on Louisa Jacobson's, Marian character and Christine Baranski's, Agnes character but has shifted more towards Bertha and George Russell played by Carrie Coon and Morgan Spector. She's the most interesting character on the show who is always up to something! So I don't think that change will be reversed.

It's a step above a soap opera and more interesting than Downtown, where for *nearly all of the characters the historical drama is pretty frivolous, so it's not a heavy struggle to watch.

*Except for the black character Peggy, who goes through some kind of time frame relevant fresh hell every season with the support of her mom played by wonderful Audra McDonald!

However, Carrie really helps carry the show. She does a wonderful job on it and at this point she's the main draw.

She does

Who does what?

You do that voodoo that you do so well, Rose.

I didn't like the way Tanya died in the second one but it was fine I guess.

How many more episodes?

2 more

I've still got a number of questions about how Quentin and crew originally intended for Tonya to die, before things took a turn. Niccolo had rope, duct tape and a gun in his duffle, but what was he planning after getting her into the tender back to the hotel? I'm assuming they would want her body to be found, but without any signs of foul play. Was Niccolo going to push her overboard and hold her underwater til she drowned? If they were to weigh her body down, and hope it was never recovered, what would be the story as to how she disappeared? As simply a missing person, it would hinder Greg's ability to make the insurance claims or execute her will. And what about all her and Portia's luggage? If that wasn't going with her, it would've made Tonya even more suspicious. The way things worked out, was actually quite fortuitous for Greg.

In the first two seasons, the more comic characters are the ones to die. No one this season is the least bit funny. .

Viewers' memories of the circumstances of Tanya's death are so hazy (including mine) it would behoove Mike White to have a little refresher course of her last moments before we get any farther with Greg/Gary's manipulations of Belinda.

R263, we don’t know exactly what was to happen, only that Quentin and his group were not professionals. The series of mistakes that worked out to Greg’s benefit was what really sold me on the show. It was so shocking and ironic that it seemed like real life.

R232 So according to you, all the seasons in Thailand are the worst seasons

R237 There are millions of later in life gays/lesbians

R264 Fabian us funny (unintentionally)

There's been a lot of discussions on social media as to why Streisand's memoir is so prominently featured in this episode (many characters are seen reading books, but the camera angles block out the front and back covers, so there's no way of knowing what they're reading - except Jaclyn fully displaying Barbra's cover). Some idiots on Barbra's Facebook 'fan page' are suggesting this will hint that Barbra makes a surprise appearance in the last episode !

Here's how I see it. IRL, Streisand has said for years she's been the subject of gossip and lies since she started in Hollywood 60 years ago. She never could understand why reporters would make up stories about her when, as she always said, 'the truth is far more interesting!'. She promised she would release her memoir some day, and push the lies and gossip aside, and tell the truth about her life. She released the book in November, 2023 - and that's the book the character Jaclyn (the popular TV actress from LA) is reading by the pool.

A few minutes later, we see Jaclyn had a bit of a meltdown in her hotel room, when she confronts her friend and tells her she can't believe the two of them were gossiping behind her back, and didn't believe her when she told them the truth about Valentin visiting her room the night before. Their 'gossip' was more entertaining than the truth, and they didn't believe her -and this hurt her. If her two besties aren't on her side, who is ? She declared she was surrounded by gossip and lies every day of her life in LA, so she tried to escape it going to Thailand with 'her two best friends'...and they're as bad as the people she left behind.

It was a moving scene, nicely juxtaposed with her previous scene reading Barbra's memoir, which foreshadowed her melt-down.

^oy

It's also just funny that she brings a huge tome with her and, on day four or five of the vacation, opens it up to page one.

R257, the problem with Carrie Coon's role in The Gilded Age is that it doesn't ask anything special from her. She's a great actress. She should have been cast as Sinatra, the Big Bad of Hulu's "Paradise." Juilanne Nicholson is fine, but Coon would have lit it up. (You've never heard of the show? It's worth watching just for James Marsden, he's fantastic).

R270 except the liar here is Jaclyn. She totally fucked him.

[quote]will hint that Barbra makes a surprise appearance

As the cadaver!

You people keep going on and on about friendships. Friendship in adulthood isn’t the same as friendship as a kid or teen.

A friend in adulthood is when you can go months without seeing one another and talking via text or phone here and there but when you do get together you just pick up where you left off.

No one in their 40s is seeing their lifelong friends daily or hanging out all the time. That doesn’t mean they aren’t friends.

R59 that was a great role for him but hardly a breakout. “Breakout” usually means a role that makes you a star.

Fallout and this series are doing that.

R217 oh please. Carrie Coon has 2% more body fat than Leslie Bibb and the pizza photo was taken to make herself relatable like Jennifer Lawrence.

Carrie Coon is a good actress but The Gilded Age does not show evidence of that. And it’s not the writing. Her character is supposed to be kind of crisp, hard ice queen like Lady Mary, but Coon looks and behaves like a sour German hausfrau.

And to the person bringing up Emmy nominations, grow up. I bet you think Beyonce and Taylor Swift deserve all those Grammys.

Ive noticed a lot of wealthy people eat fruit for breakfast. Rarely bacon and eggs. Only sometimes. And if they do have bacon and eggs they still have a side plate of fruit.

I’ve seen it firsthand, a family eating half a grapefruit for breakfast while I ate spinach eggs and toast.

R263 Tanya killing the gays on the boat put a spanner in Greg’s plans. Because the boat was found littered with bodies and featured a photograph of him with Quentin. He wouldn’t be hiding out in Asia from the Italians if Quentin had sailed away.

Amanda Peet was originally cast as Bertha in The Gilded Age but dropped out due to Covid messing with her schedule. She was co-producing The Chair for Netflix and decided she had to go do that, I think she would have been far more effective than Coon. Her beauty and ice queen haughtiness would have served the soap opera aspect of TGA very well.

I do agree with the poster upthread who suggested Coon would have been a better Sinatra in Paradise than Julianne Nicholson, good as she was. I’m not sure Coon woukd have done it even if she was available because the character’s dead child storyline sort of echoed the one she played in The Leftovers.

Carrie Coon always reminds me of Anne Baxter as Cora in Aged in Wood. Or maybe I mean Footsteps on the Ceiling.

Either way, she's too short for that gesture.

R255 first season of Gilded Age is uneven but 2nd season is a hoot. And Carrie Coon is fantastic throughout.

[QUOTE] Because the boat was found littered with bodies and featured a photograph of him with Quentin

The framed photograph that Tanya found of Quentin and Greg was in the villa, not the yacht.

Max put out an Instagram post which read that the White Lotus and Max team are “sending deepest sympathies” and “hold the people of Myanmar and Thailand clise to our hearts.” I think it’s pretty obvious now that something like this post will be put on air before tomorrow’s episode.

R268 yes—delusional and repressed.. that doesn’t help the case.

Yeah, Gilded Age really saved itself in season 2. I loved it.

Crew friend has worked all the seasons of TGA, says Season 3 will be OK. All he told me is that a male character is being killed off and there’s a stupid Wild West storyline in it.

I am a huge Carrie Coon fan and think she's having fun on Gilded Age but now that somebody's said it I think I agree that she was kind of miscast. She's far too earthy and relatable a type - the role could've used some haughtiness that doesn't really come naturally to her. Her and Morgan Spector do have really hot chemistry though, I hope they lean into that more. That show needs more sex. Or at least Morgan naked. Him and Claybourne Elder should have a steam room fling.

[quote](many characters are seen reading books, but the camera angles block out the front and back covers, so there's no way of knowing what they're reading - except Jaclyn fully displaying Barbra's cover).

The covers have been visible and sleuths figured out what they were right away. This article puts it all together, mentioning the books reads by Victoria, Lochlan, Chelsea, Laurie, and Belinda, and some that may or may have been seen.

[quote]She's far too earthy and relatable a type - the role could've used some haughtiness that doesn't really come naturally to her.

Couldn't disagree more, the haughtiness belongs to the likes of Mrs. Astor and Agnes van Rhijn. Coon plays a nouveau riche type of character, so earthy and relatable is perfect for her. There needs to be some contrast between these two groups of people, otherwise what's the point. And it's not like she's playing Bertha like a country yokel either, she's a pretty normal person who often loses her temper in private.

Seek help you deranged Queen@ R278, if only for the fact that you can tell 2 versus 3, 4, 5, 6% body fat with such authority. Your neurotic. No pizza for you.

I know it would not be helpful as far as character color goes, but wouldn't you expect a number of them to be reading on Kindles?

Only the poors don’t buy real books.

R294, Part of having a book with you (these days) is broadcasting to everyone that you're reading a book. The Kindle doesn't serve that.

[quote] All he told me is that a male character is being killed off and there’s a stupid Wild West storyline in it.

I know I speak for all of us when I note how much we all want to see Agnes and Ada travel as cowgirls to 1880s Deadwood, South Dakota.

The way Parker inhabits her body is really special.

R296 And reading comprehension, patience, attention span is different with print inhyour hands vs. lit up screens in front of you. The use of kindle and other devices for "reading for pleasure" has decreased.

Books (like vinyl) are making a resurgence.

R287 How? There are later in life lesbians who said that they were once attracted to men and then over time that attraction completely disappeared. You have women who claimed to be lesbians and being repulsed by men only to later in life discover that they are actually bisexual. I'm sure there are men like that out there as well.

All that these rich tourists do when they come to another country is hang out at the resort. We mostly see them hanging by the pool or eating at talking in the restaurant. What's the point of traveling halfway around the world just to hang at the pool. They could have done that back home. Why not explore the cities, the nature, the local culture?

Or at least go to the nearby beach.

or strip club

As I said—delusions. No adult male ever woke up one day and said gee whiz, I just now learned to like cock. Wel, if they did, they were nuts.

Thanks r298 that was a charming interview.

[quote]What's the point of traveling halfway around the world just to hang at the pool. They could have done that back home. Why not explore the cities, the nature, the local culture?

I wonder the same thing about people who go on cruises in the Caribbean or to Mexico, or from Athens to the Greeks islands. For their shore excursions, they want go to the local beaches. They could do that back in the U.S., by going to Florida or even to Lake Michigan. I pick excursions that focus on the local culture and history. I'm not going to pay to travel thousands of miles away just to go to a beach or lounge at a resort.

I always figured that the people who go on vacation and don’t leave the resorts just want to get drunk all day. Everyone has their own idea of a vacation…

R306 - you obviously don’t live in a part of North America that gets snow and cold six months of the year.

It's just weird to me how time changes.. Parker Posey was a young it girl and now just a few decades later. She's acting like a '60s woman, like the Bewitched mother or Auntie Mame.

I know everyone gets old and kind of mellows out but like, do they subconsciously start acting like the people who were old when they were young? I guess it's better than trying to hold on to the youth. Just say f it and start acting like a much older person, whatever your concept of that is.

Well, Parker is playing a character, after all. And very much a type that was popular in 1960s sitcoms and TV movies.

It would be more realistic for many of the wealthy characters to carry Kindles (especially the ones like Jaclyn carrying ridiculously heavy tomes with them, or the ones who are wealthy but seem to read a lot who would want multiple books available to them, like Aubrey Plaza's Harper last season), but it really is fun to see what they're reading.

I would assume some of the characters ONLY read when they're staying in luxury resorts, like Shane the first season or Saxon this season. (We've of course yet to see Saxon with a book.)

R307 I learned on my first and only trip to an all-inclusive island resort, if you go outside and it happens to all be literally squalor. You end up walking around feeling guilty and depressed and seriously out of place.

The poisonous piece of fruit in episode 1 that Patrick Schwarzy was warned about will end up in the blender and somebody will drink it and be dead, most likely not the intended target. Calling Parker Posey to set ready for her dramatic death scene!

I'm ready for the appearance of Scott Glen, one of my favorite actors who didn't receive enough praise. The Silence of the Lambs, The Right Stuff and Urban Cowboy were some of his best.

[quote] Coon plays a nouveau riche type of character, so earthy and relatable is perfect for her

Nouveau riche women are not earthy and relatable, they are facile and grasping and obsessed with outward appearances. Think Hyacinth Bucket or Dorit Kemsley from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills with more money.

[quote] It would be more realistic for many of the wealthy characters to carry Kindles

Kindles are cheap and are used by the general public to read self-published action novels and erotica.

The TV Star carrying a book also shows that she doesn’t care about to paying for excess baggage.

Thailand holds no allure to me although I did appreciate the Thai Sticks that made their way to the US during the 70s.

I find Walt Goggins hot.

r315 I disagree, they can be both earthy and grasping, those characteristics aren't mutually exclusive. Anyway, you've said your piece and this is a White Lotus thread btw.

So if the floating body has a beige collared shirt and dark hair, maybe that means Valentin or Gaitok? Maybe Laurie loses it and shoots Valentin? Or maybe Gaitok tries to save his employer and the guards end up shooting him? There were a lot of shots fired.

[quote] Nouveau riche women are not earthy and relatable, they are facile and grasping and obsessed with outward appearances. Think Hyacinth Bucket or Dorit Kemsley from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills with more money.

Those are simply cartoons.

Real nouveau riche women are actually more interesting than that.

[quote]Kindles are cheap and are used by the general public to read self-published action novels and erotica.

I literally know some rich people who use Kindles and (especially) iPads so they can carry multiple books with them, and not "self-published action novels and erotica."

it's not just paying extra for heavy or excess baggage that they object to; it's the inconvenience of carrying a huge tome (like Barbra's) with you around the resort. So much easier to slip an iPad into your bag while walking down to the beach, and plus you have hundreds of other books available if you get bored with the one you're reading. And, if you're by the pool, you can usually use it to read the news or surf the Internet.

Predict the next episode. A logline.

I hate to derail with a contrary view on the whole book thing, but have we forgotten the resorts whole goal of unplugging or are kindles not at all devices? And who the fuck still uses a kindle?

[quote]And who the fuck still uses a kindle?

People below the Ratliffs.

[quote] And who the fuck still uses a kindle?

I do, I like it. Much nicer than trying to read on a tablet or phone. But then of course, who the fuck am I?

I am reconsidering with Amazon's recent policy change that bans the download of their ebooks except through their devices and apps.

Love my Kindle. Plus, it’s exactly the type of device the resort wouldn’t try to ban. Unlike a tablet, its sole purpose is reading a book. Seems perfectly consistent with the resort’s objectives.

I predict the body in the water will be Gaitok.

But, we don’t know for sure he’s dead.

Maybe the real dead bodies will be found elsewhere?

Has anyone bothered to count the number of shots? Done ballistic audio analysis to determine if they are from the same weapon, and whether they all come from roughly the same location? It seems like there should be some obsessive White Lotus stans who were on it since episode 1. Of course if they are being simulated for effect, they aren't likely to provide any conclusive info.

R324 I the fuck do.

The Kindle girlies on this thread are annoying with their constant piling in (“I have one! I use one!”). No one cares that you’re cheap and practical.

Jaclyn carries a big fat book because she can.

R311 one thing I’ve learned is there are many readers who hate reading on a device. My sister has the kindle scribble and never uses it. She still buys regular books.

Unlike music and movies/tv, books via devices hasn’t taken over. Only around 25% of books are read via E-reader or tablet/phone. The majority still buy physical books. Barnes and Nobel are OPENING more stores because book sales are so high again.

R316 depends on which kindle you get. Some are $400-$500.

I paid over $300 for my Kindle color. Please fuck off with the cheap shit.

There are only two episodes left. One after tonight.

How ho hum

Physical Books are selling like hotcakes again.

I have two Kindles, but have always wanted a Nook because I’m a B&N fan since I was a kid. I know they are the enemy who closed down many independent book stores but I always liked them.

I’m rooting for them now more than ever because they are the ONLY corporation keeping Amazon from taking over the book selling business by 100%.

Anyone noticed that Gaitok and his supervisor just went to the shooting range when Gaitok returned with a gun, leaving the booth unsupervised?

I have been watching an outrageous amount of IG posts with Victoria Rattclif's clip "I just don't think at this age I'm meant to live an uncomfortable life. I don't have the will..." I think it would make sense that once she discovers the mess her family will face upon return, she could off herself. She will know what's in store for her, with her friends, her circle....she will be an outcast and I think she will not be able to take it.

Can we please get back to the incest bros

So much is riding on tonight's episode!

Remember that one of the blondes has a tenuous connection to Parker Posey, mentioned at breakfast in an early episode. That has to be revisited.

They have too many things to tie up in two episodes.

They’ve spent too much time circling the ice and now they have to cram in 5 triple jumps in a row.

Won’t happen.

r318, i do too. so hot

He always looks like he needs a shower. Desperately. Same with Gries. 🤢

R342 - I hate when they do that

Parker Posey will be performing in Provincetown over the Memorial Day weekend.

What about Tim hearing from the monk that death is beautiful and painless like returning back home, no more suffering? He looked like he found comfort in that

We have too many possible ways of characters dying. The gun, the poisonous fruit, getting swallowed by a wave... I still think Timothy will walk into the ocean

candle stick and the parlor

Will it be a satisfying episode or disappointment?

Will it weave together with payoff of the foreshadowing, or will it be some ending out of nowhere that seems a stretch, and brush over all the other questions?

One thing I’ve learned watching White Lotus - every online theory about the endings has been wrong.

A lot of red herrings and Chekov’s guns.

I think Tim will kill himself.

His attorneys have been frantically trying to get in touch with him to let him know they managed to work out a deal and he’s off the hook.

Of course by the time they reach the family, it’s too late for ole Duke Dad.

Saxon will interpret this as the universe telling him to NEVER give up his phone.

Hope it's not a monkey shooting the gun. That would be way too unrealistic

The Russian robbers have to come back into play. Gaitok tries to shoot them, but gets shot himself.

But the dramatic stakes couldn’t be lower in that scenario. Gaitok is a fuckup. He’s GOING to shoot someone eventually. It’s inevitable.

Maybe after the meeting with the owner Walter Goggins and Sam Rockwell are fleeing the mansion. Walter heads back to the hotel to get his girlfriend and the bodyguard goons follow. They get into a fight with Gaitok who's trying to prove himself. Sad things happen.

Duke dad realizes he doesn't really want to die. Duke daughter doesn't want to stay. 3 blonde bitches vow to be better friends. Incest brothers forgive and forget. Belinda and Pornchai become a couple. Parker Posey yaps away about lorazepam as usual.

Greg Gary slips on a piece of Thai fruit and dies in his kitchen. His Quebec gf finds him, takes the money and runs. Karma

Is the main security guy behind it too? The way he was talking to Gaitok about does he have the guts to use the gun when the shit gets down...like shit will get down soon

How would they escape the mansion? It is surrounded by security guards. And they came by a boat. Not to mention, it is in Bangkok, miles away from White Lotus.

everyone dies of poisoned pad thai

What if the three blondes make up and continue being friends, even though they don't like each other that much, like the two girls did in the first season? Mike already borrowed the "one woman sleeps with a man the other one wanted and lies about it" from those two in the first season. Might as well use the same ending for them.

Good god, the inane bullshit that people will bring up just to keep this thread going. It's perfectly fine to just let it go quiet for half a week, you don't need to artificially create arguments about Kindles or whatever the fuck.

My fucking name is Walton! Not Walter and not even Walt!!

I was looking forward to Sam Rockwell's SHOCKING cameo, BUT it felt contrived and kinda dumb.

[quote] Good god, the inane bullshit that people will bring up just to keep this thread going. It's perfectly fine to just let it go quiet for half a week, you don't need to artificially create arguments about Kindles or whatever the fuck.

You might want to remove the tampon at this point--it's clearly been full to bursting for days.

After the way Season 1 ended,I am not getting my hopes up that there will be some dramatic shocking murder or suicide.

Is this the most overanalyzed show ever on DL? We're more than halfway through thread 7 and episode 7 hasn't even aired yet. Almost 4200 replies on an incredibly mediocre season.

I'm ordering some pad siew as I type this

Does anyone have a theory why the Texas blonde recognized Parker Posey and she played it off like she really didn't remember an entire weekend. 10 years is not that long ago to forget an entire weekend with a small group. This is a clue, but I don't have any idea. I am Rose Nyland on this one or Matt Bomer in Mid Century.

I don't think there's a theory as such. It was just a way to show Victoria as a very insular and cold person to everyone outside of her family. I wouldn't expect there to be any pay-off in the finale or tonight.

she's high

Is tonight's episode the season's penultimate installment?

R369 I once introduced myself to a guy and he was very annoyed. He told me that we had both been at a small wedding less than ten years ago and also shared a suite at a baseball game with about ten people. I didn’t remember him lol.

It's the Russian ladies from the club back with a vengeance

It's Mook. She picks up the gun and defends her man.

Sometimes people will snub you and pretend they don't know you because they don't want to talk to you. It's shitty adolescent behavior, but it does genuinely happen.

That's when you say 'You suck!" and go find something fun to do.

[quote]So much is riding on tonight's episode!

I hope it’s Lochlan riding Saxon.

[quote] Sometimes people will snub you and pretend they don't know you because they don't want to talk to you.

That’s normal when you have sex with someone you met a gay bar and you cross paths with them again in the future, but it’s understood by both to ignore the other

I'm not talking about gay sex scenarios, r377. I'm talking about situations where people have met each other before socially.

Miss Manners actually used to give people permission to blow people off in such situations if they had reason enough to dislike them, and said if all else failed you could even just walk away from them and say, "Sir, I do not know you!" (which is pretty hilarious when you think about it).

R380, I do not know you!

Move it along, bud. Nothing to see here.

[QUOTE] Hope it's not a monkey shooting the gun. That would be way too unrealistic

Michelle Monaghan addressed this specifically on Jimmy Kimmel this week. She said she wanted to clear up this crazy rumor which she said is not happening.

Piper, 6 months after living in the monastery.

I still want to know about the weekend Victoria Ratliff spent with the married blonde friend

I'm going to miss these crazy threads when the season is over.

I guess the real White Lotus was the friends we made along the way.

I still say there is something going on with Greg/Gary the no one here has considered. I still suspect he might not quite be the sociopathic villain we so far have been led to believe.

We've got high winds and thunderstorms, hope we don't lose our power I've got to watch my Sunday night shows :)

No inclement weather dare come between you and your stories, r388!

R388 What else are you watching tonight? I’ve got this and then The Righteous Gemstones.

When the fuck is this show starting?

21 mins

r390 yes The White Lotus, The Righteous Gemstones, then I need to watch the latest episode of Yellowjackets on Showtime.

Tonight will leave The Pitt in your stomach.

It’s on!

Not quite as busy as the Oscar's live

Some of you are strange.

The good news is that this season has 8 episodes unlike 7 for the previous two seasons.

Season 1 had 6 episodes

Laurie is getting fiesty. The hotel guy is singing in German?

The gloves are off with the 3 friends... meow

Scott Glenn! (He's 86 years old.)

Good Lord, how old was Scott Glenn in Urban Cowboy?

Take the $100,000

No, Belinda, ask for more!

I restate- Timothy is Murdaugh. Wifie and hot bro son are goners. He will survive.

R400 well he’s clearly not Thai

"The old man fell" oh my Rick that is not going to end well

Laurie with the Russian, oh boy this episode has me worried for all these people

Gaitok has figured out who the robbers are and that Valentin was in on it!

Danger Will Robinson.

The mother is not going to take it well Lochlan staying

Saxon get the hell out of there you are being set up.

loving the catty bitchfest!

Yeah, Chloe, this is totally believable, I am so sold on the reality of this . . .

I hope Saxon doesn't SA her

The Russian needs $10,000 how conveeeenient

Ah, the hustler con.

Don't give him money, Laurie!!

Laurie you in trouble girl

There was the stolen jewelry

I felt bad for Lachlan, since he didn't realize when Piper wanted to be there to get away from everyone that included him.

And Rick has the best person in the world for him, and he won't even pick up the phone or spend time with her. He also seems to have forgotten what he did to the hotel owner ... while his she's still in the same hotel.

Aimee Lou is wonderful, I hope she gets a nom.

Good thing the gun is gone

"I'm praying for Piper to be miserable tonight. Maybe Jesus will save her from those Buddhists."

Jesus, Carrie Coon has a great rack!

R425 why do you reply so much? Every thread is 95% you

Would Laurie have recognized the jewelry?

Parker Posey's character doesn't have much of an accent to me. She sounds more strung out than southern.

I know it sets up the rest of the episode for the two characters but Chelsea would NEVER have bothered to take the time to explain to Saxon why she had feelings for Rick.

And that photoshop shit in Big Jim’s den was horrible. The worst since that photo of Anne Bancroft with a younger James Mitchell in The Turning Point. Which was made in 1976/1977.

Victoria’s heart is in the right place.

So Scott Glen turned out to be a literal pushover.

It’s sad to see an over-40 actress lacking self-respect and exposing her titties on camera to get approval.

R429 yeah. She would have.

Campbell Scott did too

The body in the water is Rick.

The girl sitting nrxt to Piper at dinner sort of looked like Portia from Season 2.

I thought Frank was going to get drunk and rape Sritala while Rick was pistol whipping Big Jim. Frank did mention getting ut on with okder Thai wimen and he did seem to get turned in by her video. Oh well. How stupid of Rick and Gary to go to high profile dens of iniquity in Bangkok? So stupid of them.

Greg scares the shit out of me.

I wouldn’t mind this slow burn if there were more episodes.

It was nice to see the cat fight but it would have been better if it had been physical.

Kudos to those who predicted Timothy would murder his family and use the poison fruit in the blender, if that’s what it turns out to be.

Was the video of the older blonde Asian woman real or AI? If it was real, she was beautiful.

^When she was young.

Now I am worried the Russians will kill Laurie because they think she knows too much

I wonder if Valentin hit up Jacklyn for money too? Maybe he just knows his marks and realized that Laurie was the vulnerable one.

If I was rich I’d give up $10,000 for those hot cocks.

R439 you’re a retard

So Jaclyn was coming on to Kate's husband at Laurie's wedding? I wanted to hear more about that.

Dad is fucked up.

Mike White Lotus

I see the fucked up parents dynamic in my own parents relationship.

I kinda wonder how the mother didn't seem to have any kind of withdrawal from the Lorazepam. Her sleeping so easy seems like a mistake to me.

She drinks

Not everyone reacts to medications the same way.

On SNL last night, Chloe Fineman did a pitch perfect impression of Parker Posey's character.

Oh no is it Belinda in the water? Oh no...

Gaitok tells his boss about the Russians doing the robbery, the boss blows him off and Gaitok ends up getting shot?

R455 : We can only hope . . .

Richard Chamberlain died and missed the last two episodes, what a way to go.

Oh god I'm tired of Belinda being so goody goody.

100 grand seemed quite a low offer though. Inviting someone to your lavish mansion and then offering them only six figures doesn't seem wise.

The body in the water was a person with short, dark hair and wearing a white or light colored collared shirt.

So… Timothy, Rick, Saxon, Gaitok, the other guard (but we don’t know him so we don’t care), maaaybe Fabian (unlikely, his shirts are different), Valentin, are all possibilities.

Likely Scenario: Gaitok confronts Valentin and friends about the robbery, Gaitok tries to ‘be a man’ like Mook suggested, there’s a shootout, some of them are killed. Gaitok in dead water.

Possibility: Big Jim’s bodyguards shoot and kill Rick. But, there was a lot of gunfire, more likely it was someone returning fire (like Gaitok in the above scenario).

Left field- Timothy drank the poison smoothie to kill himself and fell in the water, wasn’t shot.

Kind of a dull episode.

Mook is kind of a bitch, no?

Saxon is rather empty, I understand Chelsea's scorn.

Fuck Mook. Gaitok is hot. She doesn’t deserve him.

[quote]Chelsea would NEVER have bothered to take the time to explain to Saxon why she had feelings for Rick

The cynical side of me wants to say people like that love telling people how much of a saviour they are, so I could buy it.

The part I have trouble with is her letting Saxon into her hotel room.

[quote]The body in the water was a person with short, dark hair and wearing a white or light colored collared shirt.

It was the jacket that Rick was wearing in tonight's episode. Also, it's Rick's hair.

[quote]The cynical side of me wants to say people like that love telling people how much of a saviour they are, so I could buy it.

Mike White always lulls you into liking somebody and then loves to undercut it, showing their weaknesses and dumb human behavior - so yeah I love Chelsea, she is sweet and funny, but the girl has bad bad instincts about Rick and I'm afraid it's going to come to haunt her. That whole "I'm going to rescue this poor broken man" thing is never good

I’ve figured out the theme of the season: Nothing happening.

There’s some kind of big set-up; everyone has theories for what big, dramatic moment is going to happen, perhaps we even get the dream/fantasy fake-out, but in the end nothing much happens. The end.

Yeah—Rick makes sense. You don’t threaten a killer who has body guards (who should be fired for incompetence) and just walk away.

Episodes 5 and 6 were picking up some nice momentum but Episode 7 seems to have hit a lull. This was my least favorite episode thus far mainly because I was expecting so much more.

Poor Frank fell off the wagon for this bullshit!

Laurie is kind of a mess.

But Jaclyn is a bigger mess, and Kate is an annoying shit-stirrer.

Was there a moment when Laurie saw the stolen jewelry in the Russian's bedroom that would implicate her in his guilt? Did I miss that?

My gosh, 7 episodes to tell stories that could have been completed with more tension in 4.

Laurie has great tits for mid-40s.

You'd think Mike White would have left Laurie walking down that lonely dangerous at the end of the episode to create a little much needed tension ....but no, a taxi cab pulls up to save her life.

I thought Patrick acquitted himself beautifully in this episode. I really felt for his character, and I can't say that about ANY of the others, who have all become very tiresome.

[quote]Oh god I'm tired of Belinda being so goody goody.

What do you want her to do when being blackmailed by a billionaire murderer, start humping the chair in delight?

Patrick didn’t do much except say, “what? No’ multiple times this episode.

His little chat with his dad was fine, but nothing special.

I wan to see Frank be an Asian woman for Rick.

Poor Lochy. He’ll feel rejected by Piper.

I loved all of Patrick's reactions to Chelsea and Chloe throughout the night, as well as to Tim, even if he didn't say much.

[quote]That whole "I'm going to rescue this poor broken man" thing is never good

She's this season's Albie who seemed to be attracted to pretty "wounded birds."

[quote]The part I have trouble with is her letting Saxon into her hotel room.

She's into poor broken men who are suffering that she can heal -- and Saxon fits the bill and it's only going to get worse.

After this episode, Rick no longer does and she'll find that out soon enough.

She let him in because she was into the idea of him asking for help and her saving him. Then he pushed too hard and she kicked him out. However, I do think she felt something.

Lochy didn’t like the food. Why would he want to stay for a year?

I didn't understand why there was so much air time for the eating scene at the mediation place, especially on Lochlan and his ill-mannered eating. Then I see that his sister was thinking how awful it would be to see him eat like that every night if he were to stay there with her.

[quote]Lochy didn’t like the food. Why would he want to stay for a year?

Sam explained that Lochlan is very insecure and first tried to get in good with his brother and now that he thinks he as hurt his chances with that, he wants to attach himself to his sister. He doesn't really care about the place.

[quote]It was the jacket that Rick was wearing in tonight's episode. Also, it's Rick's hair.

Gaiton probably kills shoots because he pushed the managers husband and gets a promotion as her personal security.

There's a direct correlation between ill mannered eating and lackluster hole maintenance, he needs a monk daddy to show him the ropes.

[quote]Lochy didn’t like the food. Why would he want to stay for a year?

Lochy’s brother tried to introduce him to the manosphere, Lochy’s interpretation is to give his bro a handie.

He’s not the brightest and is fleeing from consequences.

Scott Glenn is 86???????

Frank's gonna keep on dancing at the Pink Pony Club!

I also was hoping more for this episode. For example, we still haven't had a scene where Saxson and Lochlan talk to each other after the night on the yacht.

Rick is setting himself up to be killed by the Thai lady's bodyguards.

The father's murder fantasies make me think that he won't succeed at anything.

The Belinda storyline is a bit of a snooze. Nothing happened at Greg/Gary's party.

Laurie is a sad Karen.

Not sure if I care how it ends!

Aleksei is one hot piece so good for Laurie.

[quote]Remember that one of the blondes has a tenuous connection to Parker Posey, mentioned at breakfast in an early episode. That has to be revisited.

Presumably once Jason Isaac’s is dead/handed over to the authorities, Parker will Southern Belle herself onto needy Leslie Bibb to take advantage of the kindness of a not-quite-stranger.

At this point I’m thinking all of the Ratliffs go home alive. Neither Lachlan nor Piper will stay at the temple. Saxon, Timothy, and the mom won’t die.

Patrick's acting is fine but the role of vapid nepo baby really isn't much of a stretch for him.

[quote]Jesus, Carrie Coon has a great rack!

She even showed off a whisper of gash when pulling her pants on. As I say, if you got it, flaunt it.

This penultimate episode was a total bore. There are too many characters and Mike White has no idea what to do with any of them. Victoria and Lochy were wasted in this episode.

Ha I called it about Lochlan. But it seems too much like Quinn from S1. Piper definitely doesn’t want to stay now.

Rick probably will die. His satisfied smile at the end of this episode, his joyous reunion with Chelsea and the “I’m fine” from next week’s trailer makes me think he won’t be fine.

He got his closure…and now he dies.

I'm constantly amazed at people who think this is slow. It's not. Go watch fast and furious, "i don't care what happens at the end" THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU POSTING. GO AWAY. No one cares that you think you are so smart that you have to bash the show. You actually look DUMB and not SMART. I imagine the complainers are big queens who are upset their is not more cock. I have this gay dude in my buidling who literally won't watch a movie unless there is sex in it.

I have a COLOR KINDLE and they are NOT CHEAP nor for poor people so fuck you implying as much. Lots of upper class and RICH PEOPLE take them on holidays, I hear they are very popular with the East Coast preppy set and the British aristocracy; Carole Middleton was seen with hers at WIMBLEDON and MUSTIQUE.

I can’t believe any of those people actually went to Greg/Gary’s party.

That party, much like this season, was much ado about nothing. Mike White needs a writers room.

What happens when the news gets wind that every year people end up dead at various White Lotus resorts?

The curse of the Kennedys.

Lots of bald-faced lies fast-firing in this episode, except for our three monkeys finally airing out their grievances. The only seemingly honest one was surprisingly independent Trumper Kate, of all the characters; is she two-faced or straddling a fine-line between asshole friends fighting?

Aside from the obvious ruse that totally fell apart (to upcoming ruin?), Chelsea did not know all about Rick's dark-side in her coyness with Saxon (who lied to get closer); she had to coax the reason why they were in Thailand out of Rick earlier in the season. I really doubt Greg told Chloe all of his fantasies, and instead she is terrified for her life making a concoction to take the heat off of herself. Or maybe Greg really is a freak, who knows? Again, I don't get the comments that the episode was slow. You got so much answered with more questions to ask.

As per the Kindle argument, lots of book reading in this episode, too. Apparently Chloe travels with a suitcase full of them, and Lochlan starts his conversion on page 1.

“Her sleeping so easy”

Sweetie, she has to get drunk to go to sleep now.

Mike White made it clear the theme is spirituality and personal convictions

R478 it’s about tone. It’s about expressions. He did a great job. You seem to think an actor needs to be melodramatic and scream and cry and throw things to be good.

Patrick played it TRUE and well.

Go watch a CW show. That’s more in line with what you like.

R484 you never understand anything. Not everything is to be “understood”. The scene was barely 2 minutes long btw.

This is a show for grown ups. It’s out of your element

R483 you couldn’t understand why based on the dialogue??!

It was clearly because he wants to be with his sister. He’s attaching himself to her. He says “I thought you’d be happy”. It has nothing to do with the place and all to do with her. He also wants to keep away from home because he feels he ruined his relationship with his brother (which he did).

R500 the irony is the complainers don’t realize they’re exposing the fact the show is too smart for them. Shit is constantly having to be explained to them.

I saw someone on tiktok speak about people complaining about this show being too “slow” etc. and how it isn’t slow at all and they’re just not used to show made for ADULTS anymore. This isn’t a show catering to youth and they don’t get it. This is a smart and mature series that doesn’t tell you what it’s saying straight out, you have to be able to read between the lines and view the subtext etc.

That poster did the same thing last season btw. Every week crying and bitching and needing everything explained to them while also claiming they were so above the show. A joke of a human.

R501 well, the Kindle Colorsoft is $279.99. Yeah, not cheap. The Kindle Scribe is $449.99. So yeah, not cheap.

It’s not about insecurities, it’s about correcting your bullshit and uneducated claims that they’re cheap. The cheapest one is $109.99.

R505 it wasn’t slow at all. It’s one of the few shows these days I can sit and watch without ever checking my phone. I am glued.

The person complaining doesn’t have any business watching this.

R508 nope, I do not think an actor needs to be melodramatic and scream and cry and throw things to be good. Not at all. Plenty of great actors get the point across with just looks or tone.

Patrick was fine. Not great or bad. But, he didn’t do anything special. We got that he was weirded out by Chloe’s request by the scrunching of his face and confused and slightly disturbed looks, but it was all pretty basic.

His reactions to the sexual encounter with his brother last week was the best acting he’s done on the show.

Are you his acting coach? Or his mom?

Patrick did just that in tonight’s episode. He got the point across with his expressions and reactions. So yes, he did a good job.

[quote] I thought Frank was going to get drunk and rape Sritala while Rick was pistol whipping Big Jim.

I actually thought the opposite.

I thought Sritala was going to fuck Frank with her Thai cock.

There seemed to be a flirtation between them, and I thought it was heading in that direction.

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r477 I don't think you know what blackmail is

I wonder why Patrick did so well in the scene where he said he owes everything to his dad and will always be seen as his dad's son.

Must be method acting.

Where was Pornchai?

Saxon should’ve fucked Chloe. He wanted to.

She didn’t want to fuck him.

I'll fuck him!

Saxon snapped out of his “disgust with himself” mood quickly.

I don’t think Laurie nor her friends knew there was a robbery at the resort, that was super reckless of her to go out with the Russians, she needed the same calidation from men she accused her friend of needing I suppose.

How The fuck is Rick getting out of this one? They know he’s a guest of Whot Lotus.

Belinda just take the cash miss!

Here's the problem- the creative spark hits, and Mike White writes season 1. He's lucky enough to still have it for season 2.

For season 3, there was clearly no spark. He wrote it because he was contracted to write it for money. And usually when you just do something for money without that initial spark, it's not good.

So yes, a writers room with Mike as head writer would be a good idea. This season, while I enjoy it, has been sloppy.

Patrick acts like Stiffer off American Pie.

Sritala is and was always fugly—even when she was young and skinny.

Her face looks like a squashed peanut.

Or pineapple

I think this is what happens when something is beloved, a huge hit, and yet….is bad.

Everyone knows it’s bad.

But because people have affection for everyone involved and the memory of better times, the fans defend it to the core.

It also has the best ratings of any season.

Too many storylines with no follow through.

Too many ideas that went no where.

I don't think it's bad. But sloppy. I still enjoy it.

The White Lotus needs its own Bunny Schneiderman character next season. Bunny and 2 bitchy friends can be like the 3 Karens.

[quote] he ruined his relationship with his brother (which he did).

We don’t know and won’t know if he later embraces having a brother with benefits.

Only the show isn’t bad. At all. It’s actually great. Smart. And well written.

Patrick is the face of Hollywoods Next Generation!

R524 we saw that Saxon is actually a sensitive guy longing for more than what he portrays deep down in this episode.

Hot the next generation of Hollywood, honey. The next generation of Schwarzenegger.

[quote] [R524] we saw that Saxon is actually a sensitive guy longing for more than what he portrays deep down in this episode

So sensitive he can’t imagine his life without money and status because he has no other interests? That kind of sensitive longing?

I guess people see what they want to see.

he needs a chin

R537 incorrect.

R538 yes. He showed sensitivity and vulnerability this episode. Usually he keeps a hard front on.

Patrick is sexy, but not all that cute.

Lochlan looked fug in this episode, except when shirtless.

I'm loving the 3 friends catty-ness. Friends don't always get along, and have resentments. Jaclyn was in her right to fuck Valentin. Who wouldn't? They're on vacation. Laurie was smart to get with hot Alexei! She didn't know he's sketchy. She should've had a 3 way with Valentin.

I want Gaitok to fuck me.

Fuck-Valentin

Marry- Gaitok

Kill- Saxon

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[quote] I'm constantly amazed at people who think this is slow. It's not. Go watch fast and furious, "i don't care what happens at the end" THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU POSTING. GO AWAY. No one cares that you think you are so smart that you have to bash the show. You actually look DUMB and not SMART. I imagine the complainers are big queens who are upset their is not more cock. I have this gay dude in my buidling who literally won't watch a movie unless there is sex in it.

R542 Gaitok is a loser!

I hope the final episode is more than one hour. There is a LOT that needs to be addressed.

Jaclyn was in the wrong. 100%. Not only did she fuck the guy she kept pushing her best friend on, she cheated on the guy she allegedly loves. She’s a piece of shit.

Laurie has every right to be mad. She’s not mad at the guys. She’s mad that Laurie always does stupid shit like that and I would be mad too

Piper isn’t going to stay, she got spooked as soon as her mom allowed her to spend one night and then make a decision. There are so many scenarios going on as to who gets killed in the finale, the Russians, the hotels security and bodyguards, Tim and Greg Gary. Good chance it will be more than one body.

People are shitting on Mook for telling Gaitok what type of a man she likes, as if it's not Gaitok who's pursued her relentlessly. She's not obligated to change what she's attracted to just because this one guy happened to be persistent enough to finally score a date. Having said that, can I have him?

Loved the costuming for the dinner – Jaclyn in bright blue, Kate in blue and red, and Laurie in dark red.

Missed opportunity to show Aleksei's toosh, but I understand the reasoning behind it – Laurie running away with her bare butt like some common floozy landed that much harder. Plus, he had to wear a hard-on prosthetic, so his Russian girlfriend could slap it. I'll allow it, but only this one time!

This is probably my fave bts photo so far. Not a six-pack in sight, just four guys hanging out, looking faggy – Patrick the most and Nivola the least. Shocking, I know.

Could Scott Glen be Rick’s dad?

Comparing the 4 chins in that photo at r549, Patrick's comes across just fine.

Poor Jason Isaacs has been given the exactly the same beat to play in every episode from the very first.

Yes. A one-dimensional character.

Was Scott Glen playing the Crypt Keeper?

Stuff happened this episode but I don't really feel much closer to the finale!

Tim is falling apart, popping pills like candy and thinking the answer to everything is killing his wife, now his son and himself. Jason Isaacs is doing a great job.

[quote] Jaclyn was in her right to fuck Valentin.

There’s a right to betray a friend?

Why does he take pills without water even when he’s in the bathroom?

Why carry them into bed?

Swallowing pills without liquid shows how manly he is.

Rick’s “my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!” subplot, now that is has fully launched, is sort of cringe, no?

Of the three female friend archetypes : Laurie as “the smart one” is realizing she makes dumb emotionally-fueled choices; Katie as “the nice one” is being exposed as treacherous; which leaves, Jacklyn “the hot one”, who is clearly fine with being the bad guy of the group (so long as it means she’s still the main character), and whose final act reckoning will likely be about having lost her “hot one” currency.

Finale is 90 minutes long, which explains why a lot of this episode felt like it was teeing things up.

She’s not that hot.

[quote]we still haven't had a scene where Saxson and Lochlan talk to each other after the night on the yacht

Yes we have -- they both played the "I don't remember anything" card and I can't imagine they'll go further than that. That would be totally in keeping with those guys

TG there were no snakes in this episode. Monkeys, lizards and snakes are not my idea of a fun vacation.

Sam Rockwell is bringing alot to the final episodes. I think he's one of those actors that's incapable of giving a bad performance. Patrick was very good last night. I actually felt bad for him during the talk with his father. And Parker Posey is a hoot.

Why doesn't Belinda simply go to the Thai police? She could even bring her hot son with her as moral support?

Or just accept $100,000 and STFU?

Gary's party was a snoooooooze.

I kind of think Trumper Kate will be the one of the three to really lose it—she’s been trapped between those two for decades. She’s not blameless, of course, gossiping about each of them to the other one, but she is convinced she has this perfect, normal life (true or not) and Jaclyn and Laurie just go around doing whatever they want (in her mind). It wouldn’t be surprising if she and her “cunty bob” snap.

[quote] a lot of this episode felt like it was teeing things up.

I love the show but I don't feel super teed up. Belinda is teed up with a big decision. Gaitok figured out something very important. I don't know about the rest... The three girlfriends haven't done anything they couldn't fix together. Walton Goggins concluded his goal. The Ratliffs did fuck all though Piper might want to tell Lochlan to go home. Calm before storm. I feel like this is like the ocean receding before a tsunami.

Goggins is going to be killed by Scott Glenn’s heavies.

Nothing says “soap opera” like gathering all the characters at a party

I’m surprised Emily Kimberly wasn’t there.

Isn’t the reveal going to be that Scott Glenn is his daddy?

Gaitok is going to be the big hero and get a promotion.

Scott Glenn certainly is a type. A type he has never wavered from.

I really liked Jaclyn smiling or smirking at Laurie this episode. So good. Jaclyn knows she's a bitch or she impressed or relieved Laurie's getting it out. She looks satisfied with the drama. I'm sure someone else has a different read.

She’s a famous actress, of course she’s a bitch

I don’t get why Greg and some of the other rich white expat men don’t know about Tim’s problems? Retired or not, men like that always read the WSJ. I mean, surely even Jaclyn would’ve seen a headline about it.

After teasing Fabian's singing all season long, it basically transpired off screen. And that, my friends, constitutes poor writing.

I heard an interview recently with Mike White. He mentioned several times how obsessed he was with Sweeney Todd. In the show, Sweeney slits the throat of the beggar woman who he then recognizes as his long lost wife. I’m wondering if Mike is setting up a similar situation here. Rick kills Scott Glen only to find out as he’s dying that. Glenn is his father.

The fact that Greg/Gary has thrown two big parties in three days seems a bit ridiculous, since he just sits sullenly by himself at these extravagant gatherings looking like he can't wait until it's over, hates everyone, and wants to go to bed. Maybe he's doing it to satisfy Chloe, but he isn't exactly a people-pleaser so not sure that fits either.

And yes ^ what was the deal with cutting away from Fabian and forgetting all about his big debut? I wondered if that was the joke, that he's been hyping it for days and no one paid attention past the first few notes?

People! Watch the opening credits and the illustrations as each name comes up. All you need to know is there if you pay attention.

They've been hyping up Fabian's solo act since the begging of the show only for us to hear a word or two and then switch to three blondes arguing? I was looking forward to his singing all week long

[quote] I wondered if that was the joke, that he's been hyping it for days and no one paid attention past the first few notes?

Yes that was the joke, and I cackled at it - when Carrie Coon IMMEDIATELY starts talking after two seconds of it - it was just another little jab at the priviledged little bubbles these assholes exist in. I thought it was hysterical in its meanness

[quote] teasing Fabian's singing

But no one cares. It's important to him but not to the other characters. He wasn't about to backflip off a piano. I thought that was the point. The 3 girlfriends almost immediately lost interest in his music. Sritala couldn't be less interested in Fabain's performance aspirations either.

Greg/Gary wants to be cucked. I have no issue with him throwing parties every night where he just sits around and watches. He's a Loser Back Home.

Why don't you illuminate us with your findings, r581?

[quote]Jaclyn was in her right to fuck Valentin. Who wouldn't? They're on vacation. Laurie was smart to get with hot Alexei! She didn't know he's sketchy. She should've had a 3 way with Valentin.

Jacklyn cheated on her husband. Slept with Valentin and then pretended as if she didn't even when spotted, gaslighting Laurie---and then we find out she's done something like this at least two other times to Laurie.

Laurie was dumb for getting with Alexei, she knew about his girlfriend.

Jacklyn was right, however, if Laurie doesn't like her life she should change it. In other words: if she keeps having issues with her friends then she should find new ones, if she isn't getting promoted at her job, then she should find another.

[quote]People! Watch the opening credits and the illustrations as each name comes up. All you need to know is there if you pay attention.

I'm hoping that this is wrong, although I know that it's right to some extent.

They added a Scott Glenn card (a tiger looking at a group of fawns) and it coincides with what's happening in Chelsea's title card (a fawn being eaten by a tiger) which implies that maybe whatever Rick did (or didn't do) to that guy, will lead to Chelsea's death. I'm still shocked he didn't immediately go back to the hotel to get her and take her home as if the man's wife isn't running it.

R581 Says this like he just cracked the code of The White Lotus, meanwhile the opening credits have been a topic of discussion since season one.

If I were Belinda I’d have said, “I’m not looking to rile up the past, but my business plan called for a $300,000 investment from Tanya and I know she’d want the project to succeed.”

She has no moral obligation to alert the police. Why the agonizing?

Wouldn't Rick call Chelsea and tell her to move another hotel?

I wonder if it is Sritala who sends Jim’s bodyguards after Rick because he lied to her about casting her in a movie. That pissed her off and she wants revenge! She wanted to be a star again, dammit!

And he pushed over her husband. I guess that merits a death sentence 🤷🏻

I hope Chelsea doesn’t die, she’s been the one really likable character this season. She does say that her fate is tied to Rick, or they’re soulmates, or whatnot, so perhaps they both die together.

R552 maybe because his character is in a deep sunken place and trying his best not to kill his family and himself.

Maybe pay attention.

She went on about bad luck coming in threes or some other spiritual mumbojumbo. She survived the robbery and the snake bite. I guess she won't survive the third attack

My theory… the old man and old Asian lady will call the police on Rick, who is so fucking stupid he must have forgotten they know where he’s staying. Tim thinks the police are there for him. The Russians think the police are there for them. Greg thinks Belinda turned him in and the police are there for him. It will be a SHITSHOW

I don't believe in monogamy so Jacklyn fucking Valentin when Laurie didn't is no big deal to me. Laurie had her chance. Who could turn down Valentin and that ass if he were in your room ready to get it on?

Again, you not believing in monogamy has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BETRAYAL OF A FRIEND.

Clearly you have no friends because you can’t seem to comprehend that relationship, boundaries etc.

We need a new post.

Now a warning?

New thread.

r{578} no that is the whole point! No one cared and they immediately started talking. You deep!

[quote]I don't believe in monogamy so Jacklyn fucking Valentin when Laurie didn't is no big deal to me.

It's not about monogamy, it's about Jaclyn boasting to her friends earlier this season about how addicted she and her new young husband are to each other and how they just can't get enough of fucking each other. The cheating is the least problematic part. Well, maybe not for MAGA Kate, who seems to have much more of an issue with that aspect than Laurie does.

r600 Seriously. How does that Very Clear Joke fly over people's heads?

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