Some of you are acting so gleeful about President Biden possibly dropping out

Biden is the weakest possible candidate.

Oh look. Another Trump thread.

Does gleeful mean resigned?

Democratic Senate and House candidates are popular. Biden is not

I am not gleeful about Biden being pushed out in disgrace. No Democract is.

I am merely gleeful at the humiliation of Blue MAGA.

No one else is able to run on such short notice. And I don’t think people are ready for Kamala.

I’d be happy if he drops out because we’d have a chance to defeat Trump.

You just never stop, do you Boris/R1?

See this is why Republicans always end up winning.

They are relentless. They never stop seeing the end goal.

They just hammer, and hammer, and hammer away at the message.

Just like R1.

R4 and R7 you're both delusional.

If Joe Biden leaves the race, he'll take all Democratic hope of winning the Presidency and Congress with him.

Don't kid yourselves.

It'll be a blowout election in favor of Republicans.

You'll see.

I only see one or two posters being gleeful about it and those are probably Trump voters anyway. No one else wants this, but it seems like we're past the point of no return now.

70% of Democratic voters, Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, the Obamas, and the Clintons are all Russian agents, or you’re wrong. Let me think.

[quote] It'll be a blowout election in favor of Republicans.

Because of Biden’s actions, not anyone else’s. Biden is responsible for the second Trump term, and so are his followers.

If President Biden leaves the race, that will leave only 3 months for a new candidate to launch a campaign.

THREE FUCKING MONTHS.

Do you idiots not understand this?

Most campaigns need at least a year and a half to build momentum, introduce themselves to the voters, and build a voter base.

Donald Trump already has the name recognition and the voter base, on top of being an ex-President.

If President Biden drops out, Donald Trump will effectively be the incumbent.

President Biden is the ONLY Democratic hope, who has the base, the money, the authority, and the name recognition to defeat Trump.

He is the only one.

Anyone else attempting to build a campaign in three months and hope to win the Presidency, will be soundly CRUSHED by Trump.

Harris already has a campaign.

[quote] President Biden is the ONLY Democratic hope, who has the base, the money, the authority, and the name recognition to defeat Trump.

Look how easily Biden people lie.

Kamala has the name recognition and is polling well against 45.

R13 is either Jill or Whoopi.

Women and gays are already being stripped of their rights by leftist policies. Democrats and Republicans are a tag team. They both want an end to women and gay rights.

God. I'd hate to be behind a cause when Biden is your best hope. EEK

Pay attention to what the Russian trolls are typing from R14-R18.

They want Kamala Harris to run against Trump, because they know he will crush her.

It's part of their plan.

Force Joe Biden to drop out, and run Kamala Harris who doesn't have a shot in hell at beating Trump.

That's the playbook.

Self-gaslighting. Not a pretty sight.

I think the barrage of Biden hate has been part of an orchestrated push to make him seem like an unfavourable option. I don’t think any potential replacement will have the heft to grab votes and they know that. The amount of trolling is off the scales. Biden has somehow been painted to be unfit for president while no one is batting an eyelid at a felon convicted and being prosecuted for numerous crimes, a rapist, insurrectionist and Putin asset.

There's a lot to criticize about neoliberal capitalism and what it does to an average citizen, but fascism is not an alternative, no matter what accelerationist trolls here would like us to believe. The only ones who'll win are libertarian tech bro billionaires and Wall Street.This is what's going to happen:

R21 is from the United Kingdom.

As long as a frail Biden is at the top of the ticket, he, not Trump, is the issue. A younger, vigorous nominee will make Trump the issue. And Trump is easily the most vulnerable major party presidential nominee in history. He lost reelection … and that was BEFORE 1/6, Dobbs and criminal convictions.

OP, there are some extremely vile, vicious people on DL who happen to be people who have been insanely fanatical with their false statements about Biden not previous showing decline, about the impossibility of Trump winning, about how everyone who disagrees with them is a troll, and about how we must all agree that the nominee must be “Biden or death!”. Of course there’s going to be schadenfreude to see them get their comeuppance. That’s separate from how people may feel about the outcome itself.

I stand behind President Biden 100% and I don't want him to drop out.

No matter what those CUNTING bullies say.

Whenever I see these recent threads on DL, it reminds of me what David Sedaris said post-2016 election. The flight attendant comes over and tells you that there are two options for the in-flight meal: (1) chicken or (2) shit. And then you ask her how the chicken is done. In this case, it's also complaining about that the chicken is too dry, and you don't like the carrots it comes with.

HI JILL!

HI BORIS/R28!

I'm not gleeful. But I want the Dems to have the best chance to win.

Never Trump!

Also r17:

[quote]Wokes are far left if you haven't noticed yet. They are violent and destructive and display extremist behavior. They are far left.

[quote] Whenever I see these recent threads on DL, it reminds of me what David Sedaris said post-2016 election. The flight attendant comes over and tells you that there are two options for the in-flight meal: (1) chicken or (2) shit.

No, it’s like the flight attendant claims what you said, but you’ve seen with your own eyes that there are just as many racks of steak as there is of chicken, and the chicken is actually spoiled. You’re then left arguing with the lying flight attendant who insists on giving you the spoiled chicken (Biden).

Who is that steak you speak of?

R23 so? I’m very happy about that fact right now.

I would be too, R34.

I don't want to be in this country when Trump takes over in January.

And I especially don't want to look at the stupid fat faces of all these Democratic JUDAS TRAITORS who are trying to get President Biden to drop out.

Fuck them all.

You’ll be sorry….

R31

[quote]And I especially don't want to look at the stupid fat faces of all these Democratic JUDAS TRAITORS who are trying to get President Biden to drop out.

I'm picturing R35 saying this with her hands on her hips, then dramatically twirling around to exit the room in a huff.

Tick tick tick

I'm not getting emotionally involved in this election.....I am going to hope for the best and I will deal with the outcome by making my small world the best it can be.

Hillary did a number on me and I need to protect my mental health.

This is what happens when the adults in the room are tired of the children throwing temper tantrums because it is so much easier to let the little brats have their way. But what can you expect from a couple of generations that have been given participation trophies their whole miserable, wretched lives?

Now the class bully (Trump) is going to come along and kick some ass. Will the brats scream as loud as they did about "evil Joe Biden?" Highly doubtful.

Pass the popcorn.

I'm a university professor and I sometimes roll my eyes when I read stuff posted about GenZ here, but what gets me frustrated is how politically naive they are. I get that they are angry about the state of the world, I don't blame them, I would feel the same way if I was their age but they don't realize that the only way to effect any change is by participating in the democratic process instead of ending up inside an echo chamber on social media and only engaging in low stakes/performative forms of civic activism.

OP = Hunter’s drug buddy.

OP, do fuck yourself.

Not gleeful, OP, just pragmatic. Biden was effectively selected by the establishment in '20; now he's being unselected by these same powers that be. The results of the most recent Emerson Poll are plenty eye-opening.

Joe Biden has no chance of winning. Hell, no Democrat has a shot at beating Trump. Biden has to go in order to not lose both the House and the Senate. He’s dragging Democrats down with him.

OP needs copious amounts of pot. Biden sticking in the race is certainly not a good thing at all— we need a surprise young, strong and capable candidate to take Biden’s place. And that is not Kamala Harris unfortunately. Her word salad and awkwardness will make the Dems lose worse than 2016.

Trump doesn’t support Project 2025, he said it on his Truth Social account. “Christian nationalism” is not a viable thing since we are after all, a diverse and melting pot nation. I’m not backing Trump, I despise him, but the Dems need to do something fast because the whole party is like a rusty old ship that’s sinking, the bubble gum is not holding.

[quote] Trump doesn’t support Project 2025, he said it on his Truth Social account. “Christian nationalism” is not a viable thing since we are after all, a diverse and melting pot nation

A Nigerian prince here. I have a very lucrative proposition for you, I just need some advance money. Interested?

[quote] Hell, no Democrat has a shot at beating Trump.

In what universe is the historic ballot box poison Trump - a man who's yet to achieve 47% of the vote - unbeatable?!

Poor, stupid blind and naive R47.

You just wait and see.

Your eyes will be opened once Trump takes office again.

It's more fun to pretend you're being gaslit into "fear, uncertainty, doom" narrative, R49.

I don't want Biden pushed out in disgrace. Hell no. Biden has to leave by his own choice. And even then it would look like he was bullied out of office. And the problem with that is the new nominee whoever it is may very well lose some Biden voters. It's a pathway strewn with high risks. Now if Biden became ill, had a stroke, or some other medical emergency, and he left of his own accord because of illness, we just might be able to pull it out. When Joe says he would evaluate running if he had health issues he wasn't being stubborn. He was being realistic. He would not leave in a way that hurt the Dems. That is definitely not his style. The media and all these so-called leakers bullying him, publicly embarrassing him urging him to quit, are not helpful. They are the ones hurting our chances of winning.WTC does Adam chiff think he is doing by being so public. He is full of shit. Maybe he is trying to pressure Pelosi. But if you read these articles carefully they are vague and ambiguous at best when reporting on Pelosi or Obama. Everyone is reading tea leaves. I am translating all this into Russian. Cui bono?

If Biden drops out, I won't be gleeful. It's a decision of who represents Democrats best, who is most capable, and who has the best chance to win the votes. There is no glee, just a rational assessment. Not everyone is acting on their emotions. Give us a little more credit, OP.

Welcome to your future.

R50– I have no doubt Trump is going to get in the office, my friend. The Biden administration has drawn its curtains closed with the whole billions to Ukraine fiasco, along with the massive inflation and spending they’ve done. His administration has spent money like water and it’s hurting the middle class most of all. More people are getting second jobs or side hustles to make ends meet. Social Security is not adjusting nearly enough for inflation for seniors’ cost of living increases. Biden also ended the COVID emergency and protections — he poofed it away. And here we are, still viable to get sick and possibly be put in the hospital. The pandemic is still alive and well. Still wearing my N95 mask everywhere.

Biden is a cooked goose, and so are the Democrats. They don’t give a flying shit about democracy. Neither do Republicans, go figure. We are witnessing the end of a once great nation. Buckle up, look into cryptocurrency and enjoy the ride.

Don’t they have anyone strategic among their strategists? Game theory this out and drop a few bold, boxed-in cunt moves on Republicans for a change. Remember when Bill Clinton took down three Speakers in a week? Play fucking dirty, the SC just gave you permission.

The GOp will fight like hell now that the court gave them power. They won't want to seee Joe or Kamala in the WH and no other Dem for the foreseeable future. This is a mean, ugly campaign. The Dems better start getting down with it. R56 is right.

Happy now, cunts?

You've really done it this time.

It's over. We have lost our Democracy.

I was horrified by the debate. He should have quietly dropped out last winter. However, I fully understand that [italic]he[/italic] sees himself as the 2020 Biden (denial). He's barely capable of finishing out the term to me.

If you find that "gleeful" so be it.

"People Close to Biden Say He Appears to Accept He May Have to Leave the Race"

[quote]Most campaigns need at least a year and a half to build momentum, introduce themselves to the voters, and build a voter base.

In every other civilized nation on Earth, it only takes a few weeks. The US is an outlier.

Honestly, it'll be a decision of "should we bring Trump back?" Harris instead of Biden isn't going to need several months of prep.

Is there a chance that at the Dem Convention they will pick someone other than Kamala?

Not if Joe specifically names her. Doing so would invite chaos we Do Not Need.

From earlier this month:

According to multiple sources, Trump expects that—barring a health crisis—the historic effort to dump Biden will fail. “They’re stuck with Biden,” a senior Trump campaign source told me. Longtime Trump confidant Kellyanne Conway agreed, arguing that Democrats are too disorganized to draft a replacement. “That party has fallen into a state of sclerosis,” she said.

Some Republicans outside the Trump campaign, however, worry that Democrats will find a way to jettison Biden for a more competitive candidate. Over the weekend, Trump’s primary rival Nikki Haley told The Wall Street Journal that the ex-president needs to prepare to face a younger opponent. Sources I spoke to said that would be a worst-case scenario for Trump. “We need to make sure Biden stays on the ballot and there’s no bait and switch,” a veteran of Trump’s 2020 campaign said. Another MAGA-world insider said Trump potentially walked into a trap by agreeing to debate Biden before the party conventions, leaving Democrats with enough time to make a change. According to this source, the party won’t let Biden remain on the ticket. “They will force him out because they don’t intend to lose,” the source said.

OP is full of BS. No one is "happy" about the Biden situation (crisis). It's a race to rescue American Democracy and basic decency. Biden's campaign is failing. And falling hard. The only chance we have is with a different candidate, hopefully Michele Obama for the best chances to win.

R63 that would really be a disaster. If Biden should decide to drop out, all the money that has been collected so far for the campaign would revert to Kamala. So would the organization in the field. If the delegates rebel and cause chaos at the convention dissolving into a floor fight among factions, who ever ends up being the Not Kamala nominee would have to build an organization, raise money and create afield operation and staff it. They would be starting with a significant deficit. So the smart thing to do would be to stick with Biden or, if he decides to drop out, Kamala. She was making a speech in North Carolina today and she was on fire. She sounded great. Did avery excellent job. Depending on how it was handled, the party could end up being very open and sympathetic to her and she is polling ahead of both Biden and Trump right now.

[quote]No replacement Democratic candidate will beat Trump. So let's start there.

Of course, you have no way of knowing that, so why do you insist that you do?

Kamala and a cracker will beat Trump.

I turn off the TV, because I’m riddled with anxiety. Datalounge is horrible these days. I’m more depressed here. Everyone has an opinion, which is fine, but it’s way overboard. We won’t know anything until Biden makes a decision. Until then, let’s focus less on this and focus more on Project 2025.

Trump wins Biden or not.

Shut up, OP. Enough with your Debbie Downer attitude. You can’t predict the future.

If it happens - Biden drops out - it won't be by the hand of anyone on DL. We don't have that power, whether despondent, gleeful, or indifferent about the possibility. If OP thinks Biden is the best way forward, it won't make a difference scolding people here. Call Pelosi.

I think a lot of people who talk about switching candidates have never been involved in running a campaign. I've run three or four local races, but I have worked on the senior staff of statewide races for governor three times and one U.S. senate race. two of the governor races were successful. I've also been part of the senior staff of the state campaign organization for 4 different Presidential candidates starting with Jimmy Carter, Mondale, Dukakis and Clinton, '92. Donald Trump had virtually no organization when he ran in 2016., he was a mega celebrity and he'd call the news papers and TV folk himself to gt free airtime and they were delighted. He had a basic staff who made sure the paperwork was filed and the name got on the ballot before the deadline. But that is highly unusual. Campaigns need foot soldiers and organizations. They have to identify their voters and gt them out. I loved working campaigns. But it is grueling and stressful, and By the time I het 50 I was over it. These decisions are not taken lightly. If PResident Biden does drop out he hast o make damned sure the organization he built gets out here and wins this one for him and for Kamala. She's a bit to the left of Biden. She will make sure the things he wanted to accomplish in his second term get done. She has grit energy smarts and determination. But we have to get off our asses and make it happen. Us. We have to show up.

R74, I agree.

I'll tell you who is going to be galvanized, all the women her age that have heard "A girl can be President" since gradeschool, and yet only Hillary got close. The Gen X heaux ARE "those little girls." I think African-American male voters aren't going to feel the same loyalty or hope, there being that resistance to women telling them "what to do."

A Harris candidacy would give greater voice to reproductive rights, also.

[quote] look into cryptocurrency

You showed us your hand way too early here. Libertarians tend to be puerile idiots.

We want a younger, better candidate. People in their 80s shouldn’t be driving a car, and they certainly shouldn’t be running a country.

OP- The Democrats and the Republicans are a UNIPARTY and that’s why we are no longer a democracy.

[quote]No replacement Democratic candidate will beat Trump. So let's start there.

The women in this country will not vote away their reproductive health for Donald Fucking Trump.

[quote]OP- The Democrats and the Republicans are a UNIPARTY and that’s why we are no longer a democracy.

LoL

A genuine question for R80: what would the platform of that third party be? I mean, right now, in 2024, not in some abstract, theoretical terms.

I'm a very cynical person. But I have remained quietly optimistic about Biden winning a second term. I still want to believe it's possible, but I am realistic to know that it's becoming quite the challenge. I am very conflicted right now. I desperately want the Dems to win. I will support anyone who is nominated.

We must defeat Trump. The danger to the democracy is overwhelming me. Plus, why have people lost their minds and support a convicted felon, rapist, liar and the stupidest motherfucker on the planet. There is no common sense, decency, morals and respect for knowledge. It's so disheartening.

I hope you Democratic turncoats are happy that you're turning over the US Supreme Court to Conservatives for the next 30 or more years.

Kamala Harris will not beat Donald Trump in a presidential election.

Mark my words.

But what WILL happen, is that Donald Trump will fill all remaining liberal Supreme Courts with Conservative replacements, and decide the fate of millions of Americans for generations to come.

The religious right will take over our government, and dictate to Americans what is "moral" and what is not. And our laws will be based on that.

Gay marriage will be overturned.

And much, much more.

But by all means, cheer on the fact that President Biden was bullied out of the race by the media and fellow Democrats.

And welcome in a Donald Trump presidency in 2025.

He'll have the last laugh against all of YOU.

Although it was difficult to hear Michael Moore's podcast, I knew he was right. He said President Biden should resign now and Kamala Harris will be the President. She'll be an incumbent President, which is advantageous. President Biden can do a fairwell address and offer his support for Kamala Harris. This is the perfect solution. Democrats and those who hate Trump will vote for her.

[Quote] I think the barrage of Biden hate

It is not a “barrage of Biden hate.”

We just DESPERATELY needed him to show alertness in the first debate. And he shit the bed.

And we don’t want to see Trump win in November.

did anyone add that Trump probably won't make it all 4 years so we will end up with unexperienced Vance as Pres

[quote] And we don’t want to see Trump win in November.

Which is precisely why you should have supported President Biden.

Now the Democratic Party has "shit the bed" as you put it, and will put forward the weakest candidate we have had since Michael Dukakis.

And we all know what happened there.

Listen to this, and listen closely: Americans will NOT vote for a party in chaos.

Right now, the Democratic party is in chaos by dumping President Biden.

I love Biden and want his legacy and accomplishments protected and not upstaged by this move to replace him. I just want the Democrats to win, and I will support and vote for any Democrat running for President or for congress. Let’s not get divided and conquered, let’s unify and save the democracy

Good for you, R91.

If Biden drops out, then I'm not voting in November.

Absolutely not.

I can't support a party of bullies, traitors, and assholes.

Most of all, there's no point in supporting a losing candidate.

I'm just going to drink myself into oblivion, and be done with it.

No, he should not resign. Withdraw, yes.

R92 MARY!

No replacement candidate can beat Trump? Bullshit. Several can beat him for many reasons.

R94 It’s not a Mary. It’s a Republican troll.

I trust Nancy Pelosi's political judgment, and she's on team "Biden needs to go."

[quote] It’s not a Mary. It’s a Republican troll.

Says Teacake, the motherfucking TROLL of all TROLLS.

Look, you dumb bitch.

The fact that you support dumbass Kamala Harris and think that she can beat Trump, just shows what an idiot you are.

[quote]r95 = Several can beat him for many reasons.

If most people spent only 10 minutes thinking about what's at stake, a dyslexic Inuit lesbian in a wheelchair would beat Trump.

R92. You must vote--and vote to defeat Trump.

While you are calling Dems bullies and traitors, they are not. The Repigs are the worst and should not have power.

[quote]I'm just going to drink myself into oblivion, and be done with it.

Promise?

R92, have you read Project 2025?

R98 You seem unhinged. I wanted Biden to do it but medically he cannot. There are countless numbers of smart democratic people who can beat Trump. I suspect you are just being immature and are salty that you were wrong all along about Biden’s health. You be well and take yo ass and vote blue like a good cunt in November. You know it’s the right thing to do.

Love you Uncle Joe.

People will vote for Biden because he single-handedly fought back a coup against him (and he's not Trump). People love an underdog.

[quote]Listen to this, and listen closely: Americans will NOT vote for a party in chaos.

Listen to this, and listen closely: Americans vote for individuals, not parties.

Biden is not an underdog. He's literally the President of the United States.

It's sad that ego and inertia brought the Democratic party to less than three months before a critical election in American history before the best interest of the party and country was honored.

Someone said something about a 55-year history of service. Admirable, but it doesn't take much to realize that politicians also have expiration dates. Biden and what he represents has gone sour.

Let that sink in before you trigger happy Trumptard trolls revert to your knee-jerk ad hominem attacks.

R106 Yes, because American history has proven otherwise.

Some of you are so terrified about reality that you create alternative facts. Trump's gotten so far into your heads that you're literally manifesting 2016 into a redux.

Many on DL feel some type of way about this because they are getting up there in age. Although they should realize they are beautiful and smart, and still loved by many. Jam out to some Queen Bey and live life to the fullest.

I think a lot of you old white guys don't realize that Kamala isn't liked by many black people. They see her as an uppity, high yellow bougie bitch. They don't consider her a sister.

What kind of shithole party runs a traitor, rapist and convicted felon for president?

Fucking Repigs.

Even women don't support Kamala. They don't see her as a sister either.

R110 why lie?

R111 That's a dumb question. A party of dumb people. We've known this for 8 years now, yet the Democrats acted even dumber and sat on their bums crossing their fingers that Joe wouldn't crumble.

What does that say about the party? It's even dumber and shittier.

[quote] Americans will NOT vote for a party in chaos.

Americans will NOT vote for a chaos party. Fixed it for you.

[quote] Listen to this, and listen closely: Americans vote for individuals, not parties.

Oh, you silly little fool.

Try and get one single Fox News watching MAGAT Trumper to vote for a Democrat.

I dare you.

It will NEVER happen. NEVER.

Because they only vote Republican, and they'd rather die than vote for a Democrat.

So sit down and shut the fuck up, you dumb cunt.

In short, Americans are dumb. There was some self-serving queen who blabbered on about non-political people being stupid and her dumping her stupid non-political friends.

For all their politicking, things are even worse.

The gaslighting that trolls like R114 engage in is absolutely breathtaking.

[quote]Try and get one single Fox News watching MAGAT Trumper to vote for a Democrat.

My MAGAt Trumper brothers voted for Obama.

Twice.

R118 The Trumptard trolls are losing it because Grandpa Joe is reminding them their time has passed too.

My Republican Baptist uncle also voted for Obama.

R119 Tell em. A lot of quote unquote Rinos stayed home in 2016. Trump made up for it in white people who don’t usually vote. Trump gets regular non political white people to vote. He is dangerous.

Yet, R122, he's still never broken 47% ... even as an incumbent. His ceiling is low.

Is NotYourMagicalNWord yet another account from that Teacake creature?

[quote]What kind of shithole party runs a traitor, rapist and convicted felon for president?

They benefit from having millions of Americans, apparently, seeing Biden as the worse option. The lesson for Democrats is not to nominate someone who is seen as a worse option than Trump.

If by ceiling, you mean the White House from 2017-2021 and 2025-2029, not that bad of a low celing.

[quote] A lot of quote unquote Rinos

You know, you could have just actually put the word "RINOs" in quotes.

^ Can we at least wait for the election results from Dixville Notch, Pres. Dewey?

George Clooney started this shit by opening his big yap.

[quote]George Clooney started this shit by opening his big yap.

You're saying he should get the credit and gratitude?

You just never quit, do you Boris/R130?

You're relentless.

Typical Republican.

George Clooney didn't start anything.

R129 You are misremembering. It didn’t start with Clooney. It started with people in Congress. And Rob Reiner lol.

I recommend this link for the Biden or Nothing trolls who feel the need to knock other candidates. I also question if you are even a Democrat and want to win. If Joe can adapt, so can you.

When you got nothing else, you turn to insults.

{quote] Most campaigns need at least a year and a half to build momentum, introduce themselves to the voters, and build a voter base.

In Europe, campaigns run for about 2-4 months. Yes, it can be done.

Sorry, that was for R13.

R136 At this point, Dems' fumbles at the 11th hour (3 month mark) have all but guaranteed a Trump victory.

Accept this now and get off the Biden posts. This will not end well for you.

R138, my post said in other campaigns in Europe, they run for a few months. Can you read?

I can skim, which is all I need to do with this endless BIDEN IS THE ONE drivel. That's your point, right?

Can you accept reality?

R140, I think you're confused. I'm not saying that Biden is the one. Nowhere have I said that.

The US Presidential Race is completely different from European politics.

You cannot even compare the two, and I don't know why some of you are trying to do it.

Just STOP.

It's not the same.

R142, American elections never used to start 2 years in advance. This is a relatively new phenomenon.

IJt's all about the money R143

Yes, I know that, R144--which is why they get dragged out.

Biden said the reason he was running again was because only he could see through his agenda. Where did we hear this before?

"Only I can fix it"--Donald Dump

Ruth Bader Ginsburg wouldn't retire because she wanted Hillary Clinton to replace her.

It's hubris and it always ends badly.

Oh, and Dianne Feinstein, too.

The Clintons want us to stand behind President Biden, according to this poster.

Yay, I just love electoral chaos.

Klan Grannies are all pro-Trump and anti-Biden.

Why do they show up wearing ear bandages...

[quote] Why do they show up wearing ear bandages...

MAGAT RETARDS.

The only thing missing is the Russian Flag pin for their lapels.

Good point. They've never worn bandages after any of the many school shootings.

You hysterical Nellies will survive 4 years if Trump takes office. Just calm down, have some pills and booze, and go on with your lives.

R154, you may have a point; a friend of mine doesn't think he's going to make himself dictator; IF he gets in, he'll do his four years or die in office.

On more than one occasion, former President Obama said that the core idea behind Obamacare came from the Heritage Foundation.

I kept reading it was Romney's plan R156.

R157 It guess it was a lot like "Romneycare" in Massachusetts.

1989 --Heritage Foundation--"Assuring Affordable Health Care For All Americans"

This is not your father’s Heritage Foundation.

[quote] You hysterical Nellies will survive 4 years if Trump takes office. Just calm down, have some pills and booze, and go on with your lives.

You're a fucktard.

That's what they said in 2016, and we almost DIDN'T survive four years, because of his little insurrection where he tried to get his cult to kill members of Congress and his Vice-President to keep him in office.

This time, he's even more familiar with the powers of the Presidency, and he is determined to use them.

And he has the backing of the religious right and other right-wingers who actually HAVE A PLAN to stay in power.

You' really are a brain dead cunt, if you think that this time won't be even worse than the last time.

right on, r161

Political drama queens are tiresome. Acting as if they're the only ones that can analyze what we're up against. For all their discourse, we're actually worse off than in 2016. All talk.

But yes, keep talking politics!

R161 US Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell told Kinzinger that “(c)ommon things were used as weapons, like a baseball bat, a hockey stick, a rebar, a flagpole – including the American flag – pepper spray, bear spray.”

The rioters “had all these items,” Gonell said, “used to attack us. Those are weapons.”

As CNN has reported, rioters also used knives, stolen police shields, a stun gun, fire extinguisher and more. Hand-to-hand combat led to more than a dozen officers being sent to the hospital, some of whom had bone fractures and concussions.

3 people inside the Capitol had guns.

Seems more like a European soccer riot than a well coordinated plan to take over the US Government.

Where were you on Jan 6, 2021, R164? Are you posting from an insurrectionist-friendly basement?

My Sunday Detroit Free Press has a new poll showing Trump with a 7 point lead, 49-42, among likely voters in Michigan. I want to hear now from the Mighty Joe hawks here who insist those of us who want a change at the top of the ticket are MAGA trolls.

I’m starting tot think the cunt may win regardless of who the Democratic is nominee. America is crazy as a motherfucker. I believe there is some psychological component to Trump and a brainwashing of the subconscious because he was in the media for 20 years prior to becoming president. People have deluded themselves. I believe the Freemasons conduct psychological experiments on grand scales to control society.

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[quote]My Sunday Detroit Free Press

You sure do manage to work YOUR Sunday Detroit Free Press into a lot of threads.

Tim Miller has thoughts

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R171 The guy who wrote that article ate. lol all jokes it’s aside though it’s a very well stated piece. 👏 Everyone who has commented on this thread should read it.

[quote] I believe there is some psychological component to Trump and a brainwashing of the subconscious because he was in the media for 20 years prior to becoming president.

You can call it brainwashing, or maybe the main reason is just that Trump became so famous through THE APPRENTICE, and tragically, fame seems to Trump all when it comes to politics nowadays. When THE APPRENTICE was on, I always railed against it as hateful, moronic bullshit, but I never dreamed it would lead to him becoming President.

Liberal Hollywood made both Trump and Vance happen and it has backfired with a vengeance!

[quote] Liberal Hollywood made both Trump and Vance happen and it has backfired with a vengeance!

When did Mark Burnett become a liberal?

R174 When The View loved Trump

It may interest you to know that the people who run campaigns, the numbers crunchers, and the focus groups, etc. have studied voter behavior and studied language and rhetorical devices, etc. and they use these when crafting their strategies and tactics for a campaign. So as R167 and R173 allude to it, they are vaguely correct. And the influence of reality TV on our social interactions, our perceptions, started with the Apprentice. It was supposed to be a joke. Trump wasa cartoon character, a failed businessman and someone who embodied all the crass, crude behaviors and style of what Middle America believed about NEw Yorkers. The slimey real estate developer from Queens. And that scripted image is something Trump came to own and embody and dumbassed American viewers believed it. They bought it.

Patrick Radden Keefe wrote about it in the New Yorker, and Emily Nussbaum was talking about it on NPR the other day. he was discussing her book about Reality TV in general, but said it specifically started with Trump's Apprentice. The people who put together these shows, study the viewing public. Just like back in the 50's when the soap salesmen of Madison Avenue, decided to use the basic advertising tenets to promote political campaigns, it was in it's nascent stages in 1948, during various campaigns in California, but by the time of Eisenhower's 1952 campaign, certainly by the time Nixon ran against JFK, the ad men were in charge. And the numbers crunchers started examining voter behavior seriously by the early 60's. They know exactly what to do to elicit the responses they want. Ask Frank Luntz about language usage. He was the Republican boy genius who collaborated with Newt Gingrich back in 1994 to give us the Contract for America. Voter behavior is studied. And those guys weaponized the "low information voters." If you don't want to be influenced, stop watching TV news shows. They really bring nothing to the table anyway in terms of accurate, serious information.

I know we shouldn’t be dunking on OP, who promised to drink himself to death if Biden wasn’t the nominee at R92, but this happened to be our most jubilant day of the 2024 campaign. Every major player has committed themselves to party unity except the cranks no one likes anyway (Manchin, Tlaib), Kamala has risen to the occasion, donations are through the roof and Biden has regained his status as a statesman who will sacrifice personal ambition for the good of the country.

If you want a drink, OP, go right ahead. We’ve been popping the champagne all day.

R119 R120.

I have 2 relatives that voted for Obama both times only to end up in the Trumpy zone = buying guns big time & complaining about their taxes (both are probably secretly millionaires).

Some of them can be persuaded to vote against trump if the dems appease them on a few issues.

Immigration is teh biggest one.

^ That was directed to R121 not R120.

I hit the wrong key.

Op, project 2025 is propaganda. It has been put out by the democrats to scare everyone into voting for Biden.

Kamala will be the nominee in August, and will win the election in November.

Are you in the middle of a long crack binge R181?

The Heritage Foundation is a Christian nationalist group that started in the 1920s and even though they have tried they haven't been able to do much more than getting some tax cuts and some federal judges. They want prayer in schools and have been fighting for that since the 1920s. They are a fringe think tank like the John Birch Society. they are not effective and it's not going to happen. Stop the scaremongering. It's coming from the Democrats.

[quote]Kamala will be the nominee in August, and will win the election in November.

Didn't you previously predict that Biden would stay? I don't think your prognosticating skills are any good.

I admit, I haven’t been huge on Kamala but she isn’t an excuse here and she’s better than Trump. I think with the right focus she can sweep the floor with him. Trumps so old I almost think her debating JD Vance would be more of a riveting discourse.

It's over for the Dems. Trump is going to win in November. There's nothing anyone can do about .

[quote]I think with the right focus she can sweep the floor with him.

[quote]Pollster HarrisX polled 1,918 registered voters for Forbes between July 13 to 15 giving Harris a net approval rating of -15, with 39 percent approval against 54 percent disapproval. This survey gave Trump an overall disapproval of -9, giving him a significant lead, with 43 percent viewing him favorably whilst 52 percent viewed him unfavorably.

With a 39% approval rating, Harris may end up sweeping the floor, but it doesn't seem like it will be with Trump.

As much as I hate to say it I think you are right R187. The Democratic party itself has to win back the trust of the American people. They lied to the country and tried to cover Biden's medical condition when they could have done something sooner. And scrambled like hell to do something this late in the game because they realized they had been caught. People will be asking that age-old question that was asked during the Nixon mess. What did they know and when did they know it? They will be asking the same of Kamala. She was right there and had to know.

The Dems have to be careful this doesn’t seem like a coronation. I have nothing against Harris and will support her if she wins, but there has to be other credible candidate(s) for the open convention. Otherwise, it would have been better if Biden had resigned and given it to her directly as a line of succession.

[quote] Op, project 2025 is propaganda. It has been put out by the democrats to scare everyone into voting for Biden.

It was written by close tRump allies and the Heritage Foundation as the blueprint for his next term’s team.

Democrats pointed that out to the public and suddenly the trolls and tRumpets are pretending they don’t know what it is.

I mean...the EC didn't vote for Hillary. How likely is it they'll vote for a Black woman with a white husband?

It's a valid question.

With someone younger and more energetic in the race, maybe voters (other than hard-core MAGA) will get bored with the Trump show, his non-stop whining, and “the country is a disaster” schtick.

Huh, R192? You make the “EC” sound like a redneck from Alabama. Hillary didn’t win the Electoral College because she didn’t win a single one of the battleground states that Biden later swept.

R192 There once was a man named Obama…

R100 Don’t give them any ideas.

[Quote] did anyone add that Trump probably won't make it all 4 years so we will end up with unexperienced Vance as Pres

Trump is going to live forever. It will be ages before we are rid of him.

I’m pretty sure at some point in this bipolar thread that Katy Turd has made an appearance.

I was happy he dropped out. First, I’ve been aware he’s been acting like a mentally-physically debilitated person for quite a while. Because I don’t just watch confirmation-bias liberal news commentary (Rachel Maddow still rationalizing up until 3 or 4 days ago, e g) or mainstream media.

This was a situation that needed to be resolved. Today a lot of people seem to react to issues of governance as if it’s all a TV soap opera. It’s all about drama, and how they feel. It’s serious business. People here have been championing running a man in obvious mental-physical decline for another four years. I have to ask, what happened to your judgment?

Personally I never cared for the man, he’s been historically on the wrong side of many issues, consorted with segregationists, has usually favored war over diplomacy, and was/is a a chronic liar who had to drop out of a primary for telling lie after lie. He has probably also been lying about his medical condition despite what is in the best interests of the nation.

So I don’t like and would never even consider voting for Trump. But I also haven’t let Trump derangement syndrome blind me to the faults of other politicians. I just think like this and always have, so what can I say? It’s a relief Biden is out and we can move on.

The concern troll is strong in Pittsburgh-based r199

N200 Absolutely no idea what that means.

R200 Absolutely no idea what that means.

I don't understand this worship of politicians. They are our employees paid by us. Our job is to hold them accountable. All politicians are corrupt to some degree on both sides They all lie and they don't give a rat's ass about their constituents. They love the money, attention, and the power it gives them.

That fat, fucked-up diaper-wearing DOOFUS won't win.

The worship of politicians is indeed troubling, and in recent years the media has been complicit in it. (The media where now almost every anchor person and reporter has to look like a movie star, btw). The press used to keep us informed and had a healthy skepticism and disrespect of hero-worship. A well as being much more investigative.

*As well as

Which one you magat trolls is this?

[quote]I'm blocked from posting (again). DL'ers can't stand an opposing voice and consistently FF me.

Joe Biden is a fucking HERO. This is what it looks like to put the country first. The Dems are in zero chaos, this was a strategic adjustment that our leaders directed, right down to the timing, the endorsement of Harris, etc. They are in full control and they want to win! Nancy in particular is *extremely* shrewd and strategic. She takes herself out of equations, and uses cold-blooded logic to make decisions. It’s all about the numbers with her, and the numbers do not lie! When you have a card that can’t win, you reshuffle the deck.

Just do whatever Nancy says and we will win. Yes, it’s shocking, but we actually needed the shock to take back the narrative from the media (who are ALL IN on Trump because advertising $$$ and other perks). Dem strategists and leaders made the right call on Joe. Joe, we thank you for loving people and loving our country, and for your faithful service. You saved us from a second Trump term in 2020 and we are forever grateful to you for serving America with grace, generosity, and kindness.

It seems like there is indeed a lot of momentum for Harris. We shall see. She cannot be coronated as others have stated. If the will of the People is behind her, we can still win this thing. Remember, we outnumber them. We just need voters to turn out, and we have to plug the holes in the blue wall. It won’t be easy, but it is indeed possible. Do you not understand just how many Americans hate Trumps guts?!? Even people who aren’t left do too. A lot of hatred for him churning. Dems need to stir that pot while simultaneously delivering the right message, a message of hope that we can go forward. America finally “gets” Trump and they don’t like what they see. He’s unlikeable. Whether that will translate at the ballot box is another story….that’s where each of us can make a difference. Talk to the people you know, just say “we gotta stop Trump” that’s it. Everyone needs to help stop Trump.

We are living through a really dynamic time. It’s a lot to take in. But take heart…..we CAN still win, and I am starting to get excited about it!! Vote blue no matter who, my loves!!!!

[quote]Joe Biden is a fucking HERO. This is what it looks like to put the country first.

No it is not. If he put country first he would have not run for a second term.

[quote] Joe, we thank you for loving people and loving our country, and for your faithful service. You saved us from a second Trump term in 2020 and we are forever grateful to you for serving America with grace, generosity, and kindness.

And then you unceremoniously dumped him on his ass, after 55 years of public service.

Yeah, thanks for NOTHING!

Wrong r210. This can’t be about emotion, only reason. The numbers proved that Joe could not win, and had he stayed on that ticket, he would have continued to hurt down Dems.

R209, unlike say RBG or Hillary, once Joe had clear numbers, he made the right call. I totally agree, he should have passed the baton earlier, BUT if we can keep a tight strategy, Joe waiting actually helps us. Now the GOP has to scramble to develop a game plan against a ticket that will look way young and less crazy. That is a good thing.

R207 How are you posting if you are blocked from posting? I sympathize. I got banned a few days ago for 24 hours because I didn't 100% agree with everyone who is a progressive even though I am also a Democrat. If you don't agree with everything some poster says downvote you and you get banned. This place is an echo chamber. No new or opposing ideas are allowed

This has happened to me a couple of times as well. They say it's one insane person with several fake accounts to rack up the necessary down votes quickly.

I can't believe any Democrat thinks Biden should have stayed in the race. Do they think dementia is one of things that IMPROVES with time? Biden was clearly in no condition to run for another four years. He thinks Beau was killed in Iraq, FFS.

I doubt there's a single Dem voter out there who's thinking "Oh good, we can all relax now, Kamala's a shoo-in." Everyone knows Kamala (or any other candidate) is facing an uphill battle. But at least there's hope now. And all the criticisms of Biden's age have now transferred to Trump, who is now America's oldest ever presidential candidate (and would be 81 by the end of his second term).

[quote] all the criticisms of Biden's age have now transferred to Trump, who is now America's oldest ever presidential candidate (and would be 81 by the end of his second term).

There were certainly laments about both candidates being so old, but the criticism of Biden that knocked him out was criticism about him running with dementia, not for being old.