New Soap on CBS

Procter & Gamble? Did hell freeze over?

R1 They still got plenty products on the shelves. It just sounds old school. I would bet older black women are the only demographic still watching daytime network tv that’s why.

Y&R has a large black audience. If they put this show on immediately after Y&R, the audience might stick around and watch it.

Well, the bar’s been set pretty high:

Didn't Tyler Perry have a soap running for a time? It was about successful southern families, one black, the other white. The fathers were old friends, their families were a trainwreck. The writing, acting, storylines and directing was uniformly awful, but there was some eye candy and the black mother was totally whack (she couldn't handle that her son was gay, gay, gay).

What was the name of that show? Ultra-crazy John Schneider was in the cast...

And Starring

Miss Viola Davis

as

Dominique Chancelloreaux

Banned in Texas and Florida.

[quote]What was the name of that show? Ultra-crazy John Schneider was in the cast...

The Haves and Have Nots.

Ran for eight seasons on OWN.

Now available to stream on Hulu.

Very interesting

Is The Bold and the Beautiful on right after Y&R? I haven’t watched either in years.

r10 yes

This will bomb. Unless it is budgeted like a garage sale. The only thing I can see working is if they sell it overseas? (Like B&B?)

I give it 2 years, tops.

It's only in development, thus, may never see the light of day.

[italic]I know all about run of the play contracts!

Get these black bitches out of my face!

The Haves and Have Nots rad for 8 years? Eight effing years? How is that possible? It was terrible! Who watched that crap?!

R5 That’s was a nighttime soap not a traditional daily serial. Your talking about The Have and Have Nots which I think is still on Oprah’s O network.

"The Gates" should air following B&B, cut "The Talk" to a half-hour.

If "The Gates" live on one side of the tracks and rest of the town on the other, they'll hire more actors. IIRC, a soap had middle-class family and others who lived in Milltown.

"The Bold and the Boojeifull?"

"The Hung and the Reckless"?

"Love Is a Many Splendored Thang"?

"General Ho-Spittle"?

Defacto at r17 did a quick google

R21 Hi there. Would you like to make 1000K in 2 hrs. Its simple. Go to getalife.com.

Fuck could anybody ever think I was that idiot Defacto. Fuck wrong with these hoes.

R22 tried it

I never thought of Generations as a black soap. Maybe I'm a moron

Shaniqua's Hope

R25. I am sorry, that made me laugh.

Forgive me god.

Greenleaf's not too bad. I don't know if it's still on or not.

I would love for soaps to make a comeback.

R27 I used to watch that show occasionally. People be sleeping on Oprah’s acting.

I’d be amazed if this actually ever made it on air.

[quote]The only thing I can see working is if they sell it overseas?

Foreign markets have not always been receptive to projects with a majority black cast.

R31 That’s a myth created by boomer studio execs. The data doesn’t back it up.

I hope you are correct R32

“Da Edge O Nite.”

“Dark Shadows”

Tyler Perry’s Casting Couch

[quote] People be sleeping on Oprah’s acting.

It’s better then Lunesta.

R25 R26 I would watch the fuck out of Shaniqua's Hope!

Edge of Night actually should be rebooted. It definitely could be remade in present day.

all me chiles

Continuing the racist titles:

You is Bold. You is Beautiful. You is Young.

[quote] That’s a myth created by boomer studio execs. The data doesn’t back it up.—Teacake

As usual, Teacunt, you're wrong. But I'm sure you watch all these shows and take notes you can use in your cosplay.

Kunta’s Inferno

As the Hood Burns

Da-droit

R42 I said what I said hoe. Prove me otherwise.

Watts Laning

No, Teafuck, YOU prove Black films have done well overseas. You made the claim, you phony drug addict.

A Cunt’s Revenge

R46.

Nigga child. A motherucka made the assertion BEFORE me about the international value of black bodies on screen. He should provide the motherfucking stats, data, peer-reviewed journal citations you racist fuck.

I'm not talking to him, whitey. I'm talking to your worthless ass. So let's hear what you got. Show the proof that black films do well internationally. We'll wait.

[quote] you racist fuck

Said the poster who said egg rolls were made of dog in the egg roll thread.

How embarrassing.

R50 It was a JOKE. You hoes are so hypocritical. That’s why people don’t like the elderly.

Not to mention his continuous use of the N-word, R50.

“Liberty City 33150”

“Days of Our Disrespectin”

I just blocked that hoodrat Teacake for the second time. How the fuck did that bitch escape my block list the first time?

Anyways, it would be a nice gesture but soap operas are a dying art. Days of Our Lives is on its last legs and if any soap gets cancelled again DoOL would be the next to fall. The remaining three could hold out for another 15-20 years max.

They keep talking about about rebooting All My Children and One Life to Live but I doubt it'll happen. Too much time has passed and way too many former cast members have died.

R55’s boundaries have been stated. A male Karen.

DoOL?

Potomac River

[quote] A male Karen.—Teacake

And you're a male drug addict.

R59 You are low vibrational. Addiction is a disease. Why weaponize it? Please go away and get the therapy you need as countless others have done.

[quote] Please go away —Teacake

You first, garbage.

It will have to be a 30 minutes show at best. Budget minimal - which makes the affluent aspect of the show a head scratcher.

And it will be something that a streamer will repeat after initial broacast.

Hopefully we can tamp down the drama a bit. I was the one who made the statement about projects with a majority black cast not selling well in foreign markets. It's based on things I've read over the years. Recently, weren't they airbrushing black actors off of certain movie posters when they head to Asia and other foreign markets?

I don't have any actual data to back it up, if I'm wrong I'm wrong - it could be just legend and myth. I hope I am wrong. But I know that I've read that Santa Barbara, Sunset Beach and B&B play on an endless loop in foreign markets because they are set in a California with mostly blonde white people, while you don't see Generations anywhere.

R49 You wait on it bitch. You wait on the motherfucking receipts. You wait on it. You racist piece of shit. Prove blacks don’t do well internationally. Prove that shit hoe.

And that’s the last I am going to speak on the matter.

[quote] And that’s the last I am going to speak on the matter.—Teacake

We should be so lucky, you useless methhead.

[quote] Prove blacks don’t do well internationally. Prove that shit hoe.

Choke on this for an appetizer, you white, cosplaying freak.

All My Dindus.

Defuckto is so mentally ill

[quote]You are low vibrational. Addiction is a disease. Why weaponize it? Please go away and get the therapy you need as countless others have done.

Well, it DOES look like an urban-type education was involved, at least through sixth grade when it quit.

I hope one of the characters is named Aquanetta

In 1989, they brought us Generations.

In 2019, we had Ambitions.

In 2025, we get Reparations.

Does anyone know if Miss Gayle and her band of merry hoodlums were all over this news?

See, this is the hypocrisy many of us are having with the Left lately.

All-black cast = great and empowering

All-white cast = the devil incarnate

I can't wait until the Marxist 'woke' progressives are overthrown in Hollywood -- like when conservatives took control of Hollywood nearly a century ago via the Hays Code and gave us the Golden Age (1930s-1960s).

I don't think anyone said it was an all black cast. Just that the focus would be on a wealthy black family.

R39, I'm with you... I think there are ways to bring back The Edge of Night as a soap, as a drama, as a 30-minute program.

There was a thread - I did a search for it using "Edge of Night" - that yielded nothing, naturally... it had some interesting ideas about a re-launch of the program by some of us DL denizens.

Here's the Edge of Night thread from last year, r75.

I'd still eat Draper Scott's ass.

Thanks R75... would never have thought to use "Monticello".

Racism sucks.

This film was a huge box office bomb and flopped overseas. BUT the cast isn’t all black. Please can someone help me make sense. Thank you. 🙏

Fuck off, Defucktard.

The Witch Doctors

If you care to review R73’s posts you will see that nearly every single one is drenched in white grievance.

R73, you’re an idiot. I’m sorry that your parents did not love you, though.

P.S. Donald Trump will never be president again. Please don’t let it send your stupid ass over the edge.

R4 Is that the only clip of Generations that exists? It's always the one people put up when mentioning the soap.

R16 Think of it this way. In total, The Have and Have Nots, ran for 196 episodes. In daytime soapland - which has shows churning out 250 episodes per year - that would equal about nine months.

What about Passions? They seem to have had a significant amount of non white cast members

I thought P&G wanted the hell out of the soap business. They threw Guiding Light and As the World Turns in the trash can a decade ago. Why would it be interested in revisiting the genre. Soaps definitely haven't become more popular since the company fled the segment.

The remaining soaps are pitiful --- very few and cheap looking sets, lousy writing, and a merry-go-round of hired/fired actors. All of it likely is due to dwindling production budgets and corporate micro-management. The sad situation clearly shows in the falling ratings for all of them. Why in the world would anyone think it is a good idea to bring another one on the air? If there is an interest in daytime serials, the effort should be made to improve the established ones on the air.

Which they will never do because of budgets.

When the 2007/08 writers strike happened, I was a fledgling in the biz and I had a contact at Guiding Light who said they were looking for scab writers. I wasn't working at the time, and really needed the money, but I was not sure it was a line I wanted to cross. I hadn't seen the show since I was a teenager (even though my friend had been on it at this point for several years), so I watched it every day for a few weeks.

I was appalled at how cheap it was. Even worse, because they had no budget, the writing consisted of a conversation between two people that may have advanced a story, but then for the next three days, either the same two people or two other people would basically recap that conversation in as many ways as possible, mostly so they could just kill time by shooting two people in a room. The show moved at a glacial pace and was unbearably dull.

Ultimately, I decided I did not want to cross that line and I declined to go in and talk with the producers.

Several years later, I had gotten very sick and my mom came to stay with me for a month. I gave her full reign of the television because she was such a help. And she was a General Hospital fan. Same fucking thing. A tiny plot point would be discussed and re-discussed for days on end. I told her- You know, you really only need to watch this show one day a week and I bet you wouldn't miss anything.

The Gates' showrunner, Michele Val Jean, has tweeted: “The train is in the station, people are boarding and taking seats!"

The Gates???

What an ill fitting name, for a variety of reasons…

R90 why might that be. You do realize they didn’t have gates on US southern plantations.

It’ll get canceled after 3 episodes. Besides Madea and her family, nobody’s watching this shit.

Any castings yet?

Someone said above that Y&R has a huge black audience. Makes sense, all the women on both my AA and Latino side watched Y&R when I was growing up.

I think there will be an audience for this especially if it’s well written and acted. Will probably catch on with the black female college crowd. I’m actually trying to land an audition for a role.

R91, did I not write, ‘a variety of reasons’? I did, indeed!

R95 so what are they besides the religious allegory?

R96, unless the Gates refer to a family, there are other references to gates, which typically reference either inclusion, or exclusion, whether we are referencing a gated community, or prison gates.

I think it’s an odd title for an African American, centric soap opera, unless we’re discussing a soap opera where the main characters are surnamed Gates.

R97 so it would be a for an African-America family to live in a gated community? I swear some of you libs think deeper than us black folk. It’s a well to do family with the last name gates also living in a gated community. It’s that simple lol.

iPhone does this weird thing where a it highlights a word when u go to correct a most polling and then sometimes just deletes it.

So it would be odd* should read

Misspelling*

[quote]I think there will be an audience for this especially if it’s well written and acted.

So basically the opposite of the other soaps currently on air.

[quote] It’ll get canceled after 3 episodes

I don't think it will get cancelled ... immediately. .. But I do think that it might start out on broadcast (as well as CBS Daytime's standard, last five-episodes available for free streaming deal), but then eventually get moved to Paramount+ for streaming-only. .. If Days can make it on Peacock with something under a million unique viewers, then something like this probably could as well. .. It's all about adding eyeballs to the streaming platforms now, and soaps are good at being "gateway" shows, since they typically bring fans to a platform several times per week -- the hope being that these viewers stick around and click on other content to watch while they're there.

That's presuming Paramount+ survives, R103. I don't think that's at all certain.

Soaps are expensive programming.

That said, the remaining soaps are all so tired, led by characters played out decades ago, played by actors vaguely sleepwalking.

If you can establish a couple popular characters or actors, people might get on board.

R104 Whether it's Paramount+ or something else, shows on CBS will stream somewhere. In fact, a recent article in Venture suggested content could be merged with Peacock.

“The train is in the station, people are boarding and taking seats!"

I know where I'm not sittin'

Do we even know the studio and/or location they're going to use to shoot this soap? The (four) existing ones all use studios in L.A. The showrunner of The Gates still resides in L.A.

If the show is off to a slow start and ratings are falling, all they have to do is bring in Joan Collins. She'll save this show like she did "Dynasty" 42 years ago.

The involvement of Michele val Jean is a positive.

If this was just going to be hair tossing and bitch slaps as written by Jamey Giddens it would just be fourth rate Tyler Perry/another Dynasty ripoff and it would not last long. but the fact that MVJ is involved leads one to be optimistic.

r109 they tried that at guiding light it didn't work

[quote] The involvement of Michele val Jean is a positive.

Screw that. They need Joan Van Ark, not Michele Val Jean !

Miss Ross will star as the matriarch. Call her 'Miss Nellie'.

I’m sure this will have tens of viewers.

R113 She should play a teenage ingenue who wants to be a famous singer, sucks a ton of dick, sleeps with the boss and throws her band mates under the bus on her way to the top instead.

Oh wait...

[quote] Screw that. They need Joan Van Ark, not Michele Val Jean !

Poor Joan showed up at the Project Angel Food telethon in L.A. a couple weeks looking like an escapee from the wax museum. There's no way people could watch her in high-def. Sad.

WTF did Michele Lee do to her face ? She looks like a Jack-O-Lantern. She just turned 82 a few weeks ago - what is she doing to herself ? And JVA turned 81 on June 16.

Donna Mills, at 83, looks incredible.

I don't see this making it air on CBS. Maybe, a streaming service.

CBS has opened up a time slot for it so that seems the plan initially.

Hopefully it will have a gay (male) character.

R111 They tried to lure Joan to Peapack too, but they couldn't afford the canvas chair and box of Special K Joan requested.

People need jobs not daytime soaps

R120, their aim is for black female viewers. There won’t be any gay characters.

Ain’t no gays living in The Gates.

"First black daytime soap opera in 35 years"

Thanks, R122. Good for you to decide for people that they shouldn’t be retired or staying home raising kids.

Or working a late shift.

R126 No problem! Regardless of retired or staying with kids, they most have something better to do with their lives than watching soaps during the day. Lazy lie abouts. And if they are bedridden, they should be watching something else. Any other questions or rules you need explained, doll? You just let me know. I'm off to have sippypoos by the pool where I will suffer in this heat. But I'll be back later.

[quote]Regardless of retired or staying with kids, they most have something better to do with their lives than watching soaps during the day.

Like posting on DL, for example?

Love to know what this judgmental putz does to pass the time…

R126 Ignore it. It’s probably trying to make some passive racist comment about black people. Because soap operas were just invented yesterday you know. They didn’t have soaps in the 40s, 50s, and 60s.

Yeah. The racism is pretty heavy tonight.

here's news on GATES characters and producing team

When does this shit premiere? I’m too lazy to read the whole thread. Someone spoil the date for me.

You cannot simply write a regular soap opera and switch in black actors. It won't work.

The actual storylines need to be different.

Its weird I loved OLTL and Y&R as a kid. Watched both off and on until 2011 or so.

I could never watch a soap today. They all look horrendously awful.

I think this will either massively HIT or massively bomb.

For the genre I hope it makes it-

Especially for crew members, ect-

I needs some hot mens in their 20s.

A new soap opera in 2025? Please. Soaps are barely surviving. No one wants a new soap.

I'm sorry but I can't read. Did they say if this is going to be a "daytime" show or on Paramount+ like DOOL is on Peacock?

The Gates is schedules to air on CBS, likely immediately after Bold & Beautiful in the time slot currently occupied by The Talk.

Paramount+ will likely also carry it. Paramount+ also airs Y&R and B&B.

Okay. I can see a first year Emmy nom for Best Drama (everyone gets those) and maybe Writing out of the big seven.

R140, they haven't announced the timeslot for the Gates yet.

My guess is they will 'cradle' it in between Y&R and B&B.

When B&B took over for Capitol, CBS changed the lineup. it used to go Y&R, ATWT, Capitol, GL; then it became Y&R, B&B, ATWT, GL -- at the height of Doug Marland's fantastic run in Oakdale.

I think CBS will do the same and this could be bad news for B&B IF The Gates isn't solid. But I say give MVJ a shot. let's see what she does.

Soaps are expensive to produce. Waste of time and money.

I give this soap a year, tops. It will fail.

[quote] My guess is they will 'cradle' it in between Y&R and B&B.

The CBS Daytime schedule isn't the same in every city.

Often you'll find a half-hour of local news in between Y&R and B&B (e.g. San Francisco, Denver, Sacramento). In other cities the shows have a totally different order. In Honolulu, the schedule runs TPIR, Hot Bench, B&B, LMAD, Y&R, then The Talk. In Seattle, the schedule runs LMAD, TPIR, Y&R, and hour of local news, then The Talk, and finally B&B.

Ridiculous concept. Michele Val Jean is a cancer.

Bring back THE Guiding Light

[quote] Soaps are expensive to produce. Waste of time and money.

Obviously, the metrics for what makes a daily soap opera financially-feasible have changed with streaming .

Otherwise, Peacock wouldn't have decided to pick up and stream Days of our Lives and make it one of its "Originals" (via subscription) nor would U.S.-based Amazon Freevee have opted to resurrect "Neighbours" from the Aussie dustbin (and now stream it free with ads in the U.S. and U.K.). That move by Amazon was like adding a new daily soap opera in America.

Wasn’t Benson the first?

Has Miss Jamey Giddens been announced as co-head yet???

Rumor has it they are going to poach Mel Thomas Scott from Y&R for name recognition and have her play a ‘Victoria Rowell type’ complete with afro wig.

SPIT TAKE!

R150. But only if he can fit into the writers' room.

I would prefer it to NOT be a camp mess.

R154 if Jamey Giddens is involved, I'm afraid all hope is lost.

That FAT slob Giddens better not be involved in The Gates.

OI!

Do we anticipate that there will be anything gay in this soap? .. I only have time to add new serial drama to my limited viewing hours if the soap contains at least a measure of content that actually interests (speaks to) me. That's why I started watching Neighbours after Amazon began producing/streaming the soap in the U.S. The Aaron-Logan storyline is quite different as gay stories go, and I've found it very intriguing.

[quote] That FAT slob Giddens better not be involved in The Gates.

Maybe the gates weren't wide enough and he got stuck. Grease his thighs and dangle a cheeseburger in his face to coax him through.

R159. But don't you want his long winded, unfunny, uninteresting, and unintelligent options on how soaps SHOULD be made? It's a shame Luke Kerr slept with him and made him a podcast "personality."

Didn’t Porker Giddens go on and on about his hemmorhoids in a podcast?

Team Jamey!

Jamey used to be laughed at here; folks would say he'd always be a blogger. Then, he got his break and has written for multiple shows.

Yeah but Jamey’s own show bombed bigtime. Working for Corday, who he used to villify, must frost his fat carcass.

Sincere props to Jamey for achieving what he has.

But I still say I've sat through enough Wishful Castings and story imaginings during his DC days to know that his tastes and ideas are unimaginative Dynasty retreads. We need something else in daytime beyond Oh No You Di'int and slaps and catfights.

Fat jokes aside, I have no issue with LaGiddens pursuing his dream and making it a reality, but the fact remains, when he'd go off on one of his tangents on what he'd do at some soap or another, only about 1 in 10 ideas impressed me. I found "Ambitions" unwatchable; as did a lot of viewers. I was out by the fourth episode. If you look at the ratings, I wasn't alone. The numbers just kept dropping weekly. The demo was halved. Even when they got to the finale, viewers who may have still been mildly interested didn't return.

R166 Yes, exactly to all of that.

Who the hell cares???

R168 You do realize you're at DataLounge, right? .. the home of POINTLESS BITCHERY.

R168 is the stanky bitch who has to come to any and every soap thread and complain loudly how much she hates soaps.

I don’t hate soaps but for God’s sake find something more interesting to talk about on here. Like post another trump or jd Vance thread to make me wanna stab my eyes out with a dull pencil

R171. What about a Viv Vance post?

R171 Oh, pussycat. Darling!

They need to cast that hot daddy Dutch Johnson!

They haven't promoted this much yet.....would think they'd want to get some generic ads on the air to raise awareness.....

Show isn't debuting until January.

It's August now and CBS is more focused on promoting its fall primetime lineup which debuts in September

I imagine in late October or early November, they'll start promoting the show.

Sheryl Underwood is cast as the maid, Sookie.

Aw Sookie Sookie!

Sheryl's gums would eat this show before it even got started.

Sheryl will fit right in as the vixen who can get any man she wants. Who wouldn’t want Sheryl???

Come get me, BITCH!

R180. A gynecologist.

There are 40 million black people in the USA-- that is bigger than some countries or about the same population. That is enough to sustain a TV show. Not everything has to do well in foreign markets.

Apparently, a soap can now survive even if it's able to attract something less than a million unique IPs streaming it ... only on the 'Cock!

Who’s to say it will only attract a black audience?

People who like soaps have been stuck choosing from a bunch of tired shows.

I suspect people will be intrigued to try it out. If they can establish a couple of strong characters right off, they could get traction.

Honestly, none of these shows are built for decades-long runs.

r184 Young and the restless only gets 3 million views on traditional TV. Not sure how much it gets on streaming, but if only black people watch (and there will always be some non-blacks) it can still muster 2 or 3 million.

Has Victoria Rowell been hired yet?

R187 Is there a 65-year old grandma in it who wears a bad Lee Grant wig and a hat?