Monticello - 1980

That was a great storyline. Edge had many. many great storylines in its time.

The Sky Whitney story that comes next is superb.

I've been an Edge fan since the Adam and Nicole days!

I loved Mansion of the Damned which lead to the Murder of Margo Dorn which lead to the Kirk Michaels story which lead to the Puppet Murders. I liked the Sky and Raven years, but not as much as that 78-80/81 period before Sky showed up. Elliot Dorn was such a slut and I loved the way he operated. I also found Logan Swift to be sexy sexy sexy.

The climax of Nancy being held captive of the Rexford Clinic has to be my favorite soap opera reveal.

Beth Bryson (Doris Belak) ranks up there with Sven on Another World in terms of villains. She was such a bitch.

I freaking love Raven. Sharon Gabet auctioned off some copies of her portrait from the Whitney mansion for charity. I bought one and have to get it framed.

There's an online community of EDGE fans. We were spoiled by great soaps back in the day.

I had such a crush on Larkin Malloy as Sky Whitney when I was a kid.

I was too young for it all to make sense at the time, but all I really knew was that I loved his character.

Interestingly enough, I never really cared for the characters he played on subsequent soaps -- Kyle on GL and then Travis on AMC. I tried to like those characters, but they weren't anywhere near as exciting to me as Sky Whitney.

I was in love with Mark Arnold, and my first boyfriend looked almost exactly like him.

I LOVE the final episode from December 1984!

Me, too, R6!

And as much as I loved Mark Arnold in Edge, that is how much I HAAAATED Lori Laughlin and her wet cardboard character.

Hate her to this day.

Loved sexy beast Calvin, too (RIP, Irving Allen Lee).

Aside from Mark Arnold, I thought the porn gays were hot, but REALLY liked Charles Whatever his name was. SEXLICIOUS!

I hated LL and the Desperate Housewife.

I like Chris the Detective.

Who was the thin red-haired matriarch? She was cool, as was the Old Lady.

Charles Flohe (his OG name), R8?

Don't recall what he changed it to.

r9

Charles Grant?

That's it, R11!

[quote]Who was the thin red-haired matriarch? She was cool,

Nancy Karr.

[quote]as was the Old Lady.

Geraldine Whitney Saxon

Draper was cute, but watching episodes now, he gives off a MAGA vibe.

I still don’t believe Mark Arnold is “straight.”

[quote]Draper was cute, but watching episodes now, he gives off a MAGA vibe.

Tony Craig never had much of a acting career after leaving Edge in 1981. His last credit on IMDB is in 1984.

Someone posting here many years ago said Tony Craig was always chasing various get rich quick schemes. Maybe he got rich quick and retired from the business.

I assume people know about the Edge of Night Homepage with lots of details about the show.

R11, he later changed it to Grant Chambers

the one who did it for me was Christopher Jarrett who played Damian Tyler; talk, dark and handsome, the only thing thicker than his chest was his wavy black hair.

I'd heard a rumor for years he died along with Joel Carruthers, Irving Allen Lee and Dennis Parker....but, no. A photo of him with white hair surfaced years ago. He's straight married and out of the acting biz.

Tony Craig was a blue collar dude from Pittsburgh - and after his acting career he moved back to Pittsburgh and now is part of the staff at PNC Park, the baseball field.

I started watching this show when I was in college and continued watching it until it ended in1984.

A couple of years ago I began re-watching the episodes on YouTube in order, beginning with the episodes a few months before Margo was murdered, (when Farley Granger was on).

Right now I'm at the June 1982 point, when they pulled the scam on Raven and had her fake-arrested.

Some observations watching this the second time around:

I thought the Smiley storyline would never end. A little of Frank Gorshin goes a very long way.

I adore Raven and the actress who played her. Her line readings are sometimes hilariously campy. I never watched Dynasty, but are there elements of Alexis in Raven (or vise versa)?

Skylar Whitney had a hot ass that will live forever - probably the hottest ass on that show, which is really saying something considering there's also Calvin Stoner's.

Nora Fulton is the nuttiest psycho who ever psychoed.

Kelly (regardless of which actor played him) was a flat out werdo.

The actor playing dumb-as-a-rock Johnny Gentry sure was pretty.

I can't watch any scenes involving Derek Mallory without having flashbacks of Dennis Parker's work in porn.

Things were so different then - that an actor could be in gay porn AND on daytime.

Of course it was pre-Internet days and no one was going to see his XXX clips on their iPhones.....

[quote]A little of Frank Gorshin goes a very long way.

So true! That storyline went on too long. Just seemed to tread water in order to give Gorshin more scenes to play.

On paper, that likely seemed like a hit storyline, But it didn't play out well at all.

Next to Dark Shadows, EON had to have had the biggest gay/bi cast.

Poor Dennis Parker was shitting his pants and wearing diapers in his last scenes. You could tell that he wasn’t well and dying from the aids.

If you click the link at R2 (Donald May obit), you can watch the climax of the Serena/Josie story, with Adam putting his client Serena on the witness stand and finally outing her as split personality Josie. It’s pretty riveting - Louise Shaffer is just superb as Serena/Josie. When she’s outed and finally appears as Josie, she lets out this eerie wail and then we fade out. Over the end credits the ABC announcer tells us to watch Donny & Marie that night, so you know this was a good old-fashioned Friday cliffhanger. They don’t make ‘em like that anymore.

Lois Kobbee was a snatch eater.

Lois was the dykiest dyke whoever dyked. A bull dyke.

I saw Louise Shaffer play many soap roles -- Rae on Ryan's Hope, Stephanie on Search, Goldie on AMC -- but none of them captivated me like her turn as Serena/Josie. She was masterful in that role!

The Edge of Night was my favorite daytime drama. I watched it from around 1979 until it ended in 1984. I loved the Nora Fulton character. She was so much fun to watch because she caused so much trouble. She hit Mitzi Martin with a car and set Sid's Tavern on fire (while Poppy Johnson was in the restaurant). She hit Nurse Barbara Montgomery in the head with a blunt object, causing Barbara to go into a coma. Nora stood by while Miles Cavanaugh was thought to be the culprit who beat Barbara. Nora also tried to destroy Miles and Nicole's marriage by taking it upon herself to tell Derek Malory that his wife Jinx was dying. This caused friction between Miles (Jinx's doctor) and Nicole because Nicole accidentally told Nora about Jinx.

Nora was not on the show for very long, but she was a fun villain to watch. Interestingly, I learned from watching a Locher Room episode on YouTube, the woman who played Poppy Johnson on EON actually auditioned for the part of Nora Fulton first, but she did not get the role. Catherine Bruno did such a great job as Nora that it's hard for me to see anyone else in the role.

I miss the good old days of soaps.

R5, After he left television, our brother Larkin taught acting. On September 26, 2016 , his 62nd birthday, had heart attack. Died three days later of complications.

Larkin was a nice guy by all accounts, but he had problems with addictions. He was fired from Loving because of that. There was a video while on vacation in Italy around the same time where he was drunk or high, hanging out of his hotel room window, waving a sword around and yelling at people on the streets below. It was bizarre and he got arrested and sent back the United States. He looked much older than his actual age in his later years. Sad, he died relatively young, but his past addictions probably paid a role in it.

He was said to be a very good acting coach. He was the on-set coach at As The Would Turns for close to decade, close to the end of the run of the show.

The video of Larkin drunk or high was on one of the tabloid show of the time, A Current Affair maybe.

Wasn't he also naked in that video?

I remember he was at least shirtless. They just showed his torso while he was leaning out of the window. It was so long ago, but they might have also showed him getting arrested. It might have been blurred if he was indeed naked then.

Larkin was a homosexualist.

I belong to an Edge of Night facebook group its terrific Sharon Rose Gabet belongs and is an active group member. The best question lately would and Edge of Night reboot be welcomed on streaming.....This would be a great thing for fans of the Soap!

I loved Nora Fulton, she was the reason I started watching. Catherine Bruno had the best hair.

Lots of turd burgling behind the scenes. Joel Crothers (when Veleka was out of town), Dennis Parker, Irving Allen Lee, Allen Fawcett, Chris Jarrett, Larkin Malloy.

A reboot of Edge works ONLY if you can get the original scripts... I don't know if that's possible. With original scripts you have to start looking for recordings (kinescopes?). Costuming and set design are key and difficult.

It would be fun though, wouldn't it? I've visited the website linked above and I think it's a refreshed version of a site I visited years ago. In the earlier site there was a Word or Excel document that listed every murder, every suspect every guilty character, every method by year. It was great fun to read through!

Oops, I should add that the website linked here has a list of murder trials, but it's missing a key point - the method. In that old list there was a column... fell down an elevator shaft - stabbed, stabbed, shot, fell off a balcony, poisoned. Again, fun to read!

Jesus Christ dumbasses. Do you really think that a low rated soap opera cancelled 40 years ago will be rebooted? How dumb you all are!!!! And besides, P&G owned it and they will never give the rights to it. Snap into reality, dumbasses.

I liked watching Edge in the afternoons after school. I had a crush on Michael Conforti, who played Jeremy. Not a great actor or a huge role, but he was my type …pale skin, dark hair, dark eyes. He went on to be a writer on several soaps, including AMC and ATWT.

I stopped watching the day they dropped THE from THE Edge of Night. Fat Del Emerson, Fat Gunther, Fat Mitzi, Fat Mike Karr, Fat Beth Correll. Fat actors=Fat title. I've never recovered.

Don’t forget FAT Geraldine Saxon. And FAT Elliot Dorn.

R2, I'm with you. I was just a kid, but can vividly remember the Stephanie Martin Murder Mystery. Martin was a villain that everyone in Monticello wanted dead. She was played by Alice Hirson, who later played Ellen De Generas' mother on her sitcom. Nicole Travis stood trial for her murder, and the trial was one of the best I've ever seen. EON had a style unlike any other soap, kinda like a daytime Perry Mason.

No offense, bitches, but I highly doubt there's a market for a reboot of bottom-rated soap that's been off the air for 40 years. Of course, it's just a hunch. Though they tried, they couldn't get a rebooted AMC greenlit, and that's still somewhat part of the TV cultural landscape, so how on earth would Edge of Night have a chance?

[quote]kinda like a daytime Perry Mason

That was the original concept for the show. A daytime version of Perry Mason.

Perry Mason creator Earle Stanley Garner was set to create and write the show, but got into a tiff with CBS a few months before Edge was to debut. So, they got Perry Mason radio show writer Irving Vedig to adapt the Perry Mason concept to TV and to HW.

To further the Perry Mason connection, they also got actor John Larkin, best known as the voice of Perry Mason on radio, to star in Edge of Night as Mike Karr.

R46, I guess it would all depend upon how the re-boot was constructed and marketed. There's an appetite for programs that create a time period (Mad Men, Marvelous Maisel) with costumes, set pieces, dialogue. Throw in some juicy soap plot points and a murder + mystery, could be something - of course, on a streaming service.

The Edge of Night group understanding that most of the actors are dead or very elderly was thinking that a creation of children of legacy character..... Adam Drake Jr, children of Sky Whitney and Raven Whitney etc. Also a hard edged crime driven soap that could be more erotic than traditional daytime soaps. We all know its not happening but for huge fans of the show its just fun!

I loved cello cherries as a child

When Edge of Night moved to ABC in 1975, there was talk of repeating the episodes in late night, say at 11:30 p.m. or 12 midnight. ABC was interested as was Proctor & Gamble, but they never could reach an agreement about the price for that then-unheard of rebroadcast.

The actors were also putting up a fuss about getting paid for that rebroadcast. ABC and P&G wanted to pay the actors a minimal amount but Donald May was leading the charge wanting a bigger payout.

I think this is a huge loss and a missed opportunity. Edge would have worked perfectly as a late night soap opera. Might still be on the air today if they had been able to work out an arrangement.

I started watching around the time Jeanne Ruskin played Laurie Ann Karr, who was playing piano at the New Moon Cafe, and she fell in love with Johnny Dallas. Loved that storyline. I caught the tail end of Dorothy Lyman's hilarious Elly Jo Jamison, who was trying to trap Orin Hillyer into marrying her. Lester Rawlins(Orinn) was just great, what a face! Grant Aleksander reminded me of a young Donald May, he would have made a good Adam Drake Jr.

Will you old fat fraus stop talking about a reboot! Please. It will never ever ever ever ever happen. Ever. Proctor & Gamble still owns the show and they have NO interest in selling. None.

I loved Holland Taylor's portrayal of the evil Denise Kavanaugh.

R49, I wonder if a re-boot could be launched as a "Monticello Diaries"... the grandchild of a major character finds a journal of one of Monticello's long dead (but lead Edge character)... they begin a blog or podcast about the town's tawdry past. The files of the DAs office become part of the storyline... and then other tales of town come to light...

Intersting concept r55.

I think that could work. Mike Karr II (Mike's grandson) is cleaning out some of his grandfathers papers and comes across the journal with notes on various murders. Great jumping off point.

So, you could jump all around in time. You could have mysteries set in the 60s and 70s as well as contemporary mysteries.

I like it R56... the possibilities can continue unfold as other journals are found or someone decides to back into the archives of the local Monticello paper, someone else begins looking at old VHS tapes from WMON the local TV station... maybe we should have copywritten those ideas before posting them on an anonymous message board.

Adam Drake III could find some of his grandfather's old journals and some unused footage from some of grandmother's old TV interviews.

Meanwhile, Adam's boyfriend Sky Whitney III could uncover some of his great aunt Geraldine's old journals, diaries and papers going back to the early 1900s. Lots of mysteries to be uncovered there.

Meanwhile, Sky's sister Charlotte Alexander Whitney could be a private eye while her boyfriend Miles Cavanaugh III is a MD and performs all on Monticello's medical autopsies.

and voila! R58, you've got the start of new series... of course, there are many people who either left or were run out of Monticello... their spawn and descendents could return as well. A lot of possibilities.

Even though this is just a dream for thought of us who love this show......Thank you for the creativity given to this. Edge was such a different soap and was mishandled by ABC toward the end of its run!

Is this the soap with Scotty Brice?

Locher interviewed Constance McCashin today!

(Placed here because, to me, KNOTS felt like a nighttime P&G soap).

Vee, who’s in the biz, arranged the Locher Room interview. Vee is in the biz. He’s writing all 4 soaps because of the writers strike. Vee is in the biz.

[R63] who is this Vee I’m always hearing about?

Ignore it r63. There is a lunatic on here who posts about some sad little drama involving posters on some soap opera message board.

Imagine being 80 years old and apparently still alert, and using your dwindling time on Earth to promote that bullshit.

Sad!

R64 If you don’t know Vee, you are out of it. Vee is in the biz and knows everyone and everything about everyone. Vee is the expert of everything. Vee is in the biz.

Vee=Valerie Bryson

Will facial wasting and KS lesions be casting requirements for the reboot as well?

Vee who is in the biz, you know, will be helming the OLTL reboot with Dumb Dylan who changed his name at SON. Vee is in the biz, you know, and Dumb Dylan, is an idiot, you know. Dumb Dylan has the scoop before simple creepy John! And Eeyore Carl is still depressed af!

Come on people, stay on point and ignore this wretched "Vee" and OLTL... this is about "The Edge of Night".

For the re-boot, does it begin in color in the present day and as Adam Drake III begins reading the journal, will the show switch to black & white? All of what he learns by reading is re-enacted and that's in b&w. Could be very cool, give the flashbacks a good noir feel.

Here's a question... is AD III just perusing his grandfather's journal or is there a purpose? A modern day mystery or murder in Monticello that he thinks is somehow tied to the past?

It's a lovely little town about 30 minutes from Madison. I have friends who live there. The downtown diner has amazing pies.

I posted r45. I just remembered that the actual killer of evil Stephanie Martin was the actress who played Liz Matthews on Another World ( not the great Audra Lindley, but the second one. I can't remember her name, but a lot of people on here infer that she's a lesbian).

I loved how the mysteries on EON were beautifully set up, how there was a list of plausible suspects a mile long, and how the trials went on forever, but somehow you never lost interest.

You dumb fucks realize that P&G will never ever ever ever ever give up the rights, right? The Edge of Night will never be rebooted. Meanwhile, Vee is still in the biz and dumbass Dylan has all of the YR scoops because he gets the SOD emails before anyone. Meanwhile, Vee, who’s in the biz, HATES Pervsuds. Such drama!!!!

[R72] I think the 2nd Aunt Liz was Irene Daly

Will the reboot be called "THE Edge of Night" or "Edge of Night"? If the latter, count me out! I refuse to watch, in protest.

Edge of Night got cancelled because they took THE out of the title. The same happened to THE Guiding Light.

Irene Dailey was the 4th Lez, er Liz on AW, but you got it.

Gail Kobe and Pam Long ruined my life when they fired Fat Ed! Nothing was ever the same after THE GUIDING LIGHT dropped THE from the title!!

Any vids out there of Lois Kibbee eating out Irene Daily’s snatch?

Doug Marland fired fat Ed. Maybe Mart Hulswit wasn't into getting his toes sucked by a pervy head writer.

Doug Marland was a weirdo. He liked his toes sucked, but only by men. He hated women. He had Gloria Monty’s image etched into his toilet bowl so that he could shit on her face. Strange man indeed.

To their credit, Kobe and Long brought on Fat Reva, Fat Rick, Fat H.B., Fat Billy, Fat Beth, Fat India, and Fat Sally.

Take your inane chatter about that CBS soap to a different thread... Christ - why do people think it appropriate to just veer off and start dominating a thread with a different subject?

It's the mentally ill soap loon, R83. Muriel lets it ride roughshod on these threads.

Here's an EoN question:

The character of attorney Cliff Nelson was credited to actor Ernie Townsend during the show's credits

But on IMDB he's credited as Ernie Pysher.

Why the name change?

Because of this thread, I started rewatching Mansion of the Damned on YouTube. I forgot about the incest undertones in that storyline. Margaret Colin was only 20 in that story. And Denny Albee's eyes were mesmerizing.

R85, I think, from a quick search, it would have something to do with the gay porn Pysher participated in before TEoN.

Ernie Townsend is a gay. Question answered.

What proof do you have that Ernie Townsend is gay? He was handsome and effortlessly masculine, so I doubt he's gay.

I thought it was Dennis Parker who did gay porn.

You're saying Ernie Townsend did it too? Never heard that before.

Joel Crothers and Dennis Parker used to give each other blowjobs in their dressing room during down times.

Nice piece if fiction, r91. Joel was romantically involved with actress Velekka Gray when he was on EON and up till his death, so he and Dennis Parker were not engaging in oral sex.

Did Joel catch the AIDS from Velekka, then?

Is Elizabeth Hubbard’s son destitute and living in Monticello now?

I heard rumors that Lois Kibbee was of the lesbionic persuasion.

r94 no, he is living with MAGA Martha Byrne

R92 Back in those days, soap couples were very close to each other. The soap mags from back then state how Joel and Velekka used to go on triple dates with Geri Court and David O’Brien; and John Wesley Shipp and Marsha Clark. True love at its best.

R97 don't forget Francesca James and Peter White!

It's nice when soap couples start dating IRL. Another example is Jean LeClerc and Kate Collins. They were dating for a while during their AMC heyday. I remember a spread in SOD of them galivanting all over NYC and proclaiming each other as their soulmate. I assume they eventually broke up, since she went on to marry someone else.

Weren't AMC's Debbi Morgan and Darnell Williams dating at one time? They made such a cute couple on screen.

The beautiful and happy couple.

I’m pretty sure that Irene Daily and Paul Stevens were in a torrid love affair.

Val Dufour and Susan Sullivan were an item for a while, I believe.

Anthony George slept with most of the actresses on Search and One Life To Live.

Did Lois Kibbee eat out Holland Taylor?

Is there a Joel/Velekka sex tape?

Jonathan Frid and Grayson Hall were hot and heavy on Dark Shadows.

Louie Edmonds and Clarice Blackburn were not allowed to be in many scenes together on Dark Shadows because of their lust for each other.

[quote] Weren't AMC's Debbi Morgan and Darnell Williams dating at one time?

I don't think Debbi had a thing for gay men.

Larkin Malloy and Marcia Cross were hot and heavy for a while.

meow

This show was canceled when they made everything skinny, especially the show’s title when they dropped THE.

Judging you ALL.

Were Lois and Robert Gerringer (Del Emerson) an off-screen couple as well? They had amazing sexual chemistry.

Especially YOU.

Serial Scholar aka MonticelloEdge on twitter is mentally ill. He’s racist. Look it up on twitter. MonticelloEdge A true crazy asshole.

nein

Any eldergays here ever have Joel Crothers? Sounds like he was a fixture on the rough trade bars in NYC throughout the 70s.

nein

Typical low-energy P&G actors on this show which bored the audience to death. Imagine the energy that a Dennis Cole could've brought to the show as NuSky, or a Shannon Tweed as NuApril.

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Worst thing that ever happened to DL was when this idiot troll got wifi in her nursing home

SERIOUSLY, R122. She's deranged.

Does anyone know if Lori Laughlin was an actual dancer?

I’m watching eps from September 1980. They’re setting up Martine’s entrance and Gavin keeps fantasizing about a her (at first I thought it was Jodie he was fantasizing about) dancing in a gauzy/silhouette-ish fashion… maybe a stunt dancer?

Shame that it didn't do the late night repeats - it would have lasted a lot longer and would have offered a great alternative to the late nite talk show genre. Love the reboot idea -

Goutman tried reviving it, I believe; around the time of ATWT's 50th.

[quote]Goutman tried reviving it, I believe; around the time of ATWT's 50th.

I've never heard this before. In 2006?!?!?

Details please.

I don’t know about Goutman trying to revive the show, but I think he self-published a novel with the same title.

Goutman played a con man named Matt Sharkey on Edge in 1980-81.

Interesting he would name one of his detective stories after the series. And the name of one of the main families in the book is Whitney. But there seems to be no direct connection between the series and his novel, just those homages.

Here's the description of the novel:

[quote]NYPD Detective David McIntire never thought he'd see his fiancé again after she left him five years ago. When the two reunite she is no longer Mary Burr but Sister Mary Catherine, a Catholic nun. Despite his resistance, she enlists him to investigate the death of her brother, who reportedly committed suicide while doing missionary work in Argentina. As they work together to uncover the truth, what they find pits them against one of New York’s oldest and most powerful families, the Whitneys, whose patriarch will do anything to protect his and the Church’s secrets. Always meeting at the edge of night in the catacombs beneath the parish church, they discover that the strange underground labyrinth possesses the key to unlock the mystery and bring the Whitney empire crashing down with it. Edge of Night is a high-adrenaline suspense thriller that travels across continents and a hundred years into the past, proving in the end that the corridors of power are no match for the enduring strength of love.

They even used the what looks like the original Edge of Night font.

Ernie Townsend was gay? Really?

Where can I watch it?

R132 - the episodes are on YouTube and they're numbered.

I think this was the episode I started with when I began watching.

All I know is what Goutman told a soap reporter I know. That he had tried to revive EDGE. He didn't want to go on the record or elaborate. He might today.

I know he used Larkin Malloy as an acting coach and in a small role on ATWT. He could have gotten Sharon Gabet back, I bet. You build from there.

Forrest Compton and Ann Flood were still around; the only died recently so I'm sure 18 years ago they could have worked a little.

I don't deny the man was/is a hard worker but he rue-whinned ATWT in my opinion. The rotating Craigs, really? Scott Bryce was Craig. All the Port Charles actors coming over -- Pinson, Wilson, Shriner, Lindstrom, Herring.

Howarth YELLS in every role he plays. It's only a matter of time with Austin on GH.

Since both ATWT and Edge of Night debuted on the same day -- April 2, 1956 -- perhaps Goutman wanted to include some kind of mention of Edge or Monticello during ATWT's 50th celebration.

Perhaps Sky and Raven Whitney showing up at a party. Or Bob and Kim mentioning they're going to visit some old friends in Monticello.

Or maybe bring in some Edge characters to Oakdale for a short story arc.

r133, I've never watched a moment of Edge of Night. What a pleasant surprise to see Lady Eyes-a-Buggin' as Hilda, I mean Louise. And the guy who engineered the plan with Iris to take over Cory Publishing with Iris in the first scene.

I give Goutman credit for working in Springfield and Bay City into dialogue in finale ATWT episodes.

That's it.

The best part of ATWT's final weeks were Bob, Kim, John and Chris's medical crisis.

Lines only heard in Midwestern towns…

Was Lois Kibbee a lesbian? She kinda pinged.

Lois was a bulldyke lezzy.

Which show had the gayest cast? EON? Doctors? Dark Shadows?

I'm guessing that there are no existing tapes of EON back in the early days with Laurence Hugo as Mike Karr. My absolute favorite period was when Adam Drake and Nicole Travis were just being introduced. Storytelling at it's best.

There are a few tapes of early Edge episodes still in existence. I know UCLA has some tapes of some soap episodes as does the Paley Center for Media. No idea what the dates are.

[quote] You dumb fucks realize that P&G will never ever ever ever ever give up the rights, right?

P&G wants nothing to do with it's former productions and they don't want anyone else to either. Up until a few years ago, they still had copies of every script of every episode of daytime shows they produced, but the majority have now been destroyed. P&G kept very few for their own archives and a few others were given to university collections and to museums.

[quote] I'm guessing that there are no existing tapes of EON back in the early days with Laurence Hugo as Mike Karr.

EON was still being performed live until it moved to ABC in 1975 and was the last soap to move to videotape. (As the World Turns was the penultimate.) Prior to that EON was only pre-recorded on tape (or saved on kinescope) in advance for broadcast on holidays so the cast and crew did not have to spend Christmases, etc. in the studio.

[quote] Which show had the gayest cast? EON? Doctors? Dark Shadows?

Dark Shadows, followed by Edge, and then Doctors.

All My Children had a rather gay cast, especially in the 80s.

This clip is from February, 1981.

Does anyone know the name of the music? It was played on the show for months — I’ve always wondered what it is called.

Thank you!

Vee, who’s in the biz, has saved all of P&G tapes and scripts. Vee is in the biz you know.

Vee who is in the biz made the decision to drop THE from the titles of every P&G soap. It ruined my life. Vee is in the biz you know. The biz!

R136 Stage actress Evalyn Baron played Louise. She was on "Another World" for nearly a year as Felicia's bumbling secretary, Miss Devon. She did look like she could be VW's sister.

Constance Ford and Irene Dailey played murderers on the show who stabbed their victims.

Agreed that Louise Shaffer was super as Serena/Josie, and am glad that there are a handful of episodes with her out there. The Edge website has some rare clips of Lois Kibbee during her first stint on the show with Anthong Call, as well as a scene with Richard Schoberg (Kevin Jamison), later AMC's Tom Cudahy.

Lois Smith was reunited with former Somerset husband Joel Crothers, playing the mother of crazed Davey Oakes. Kibbee was on Sonerset at the same time they were.

[quote] P&G wants nothing to do with it's former productions and they don't want anyone else to either. Up until a few years ago, they still had copies of every script of every episode of daytime shows they produced, but the majority have now been destroyed. P&G kept very few for their own archives and a few others were given to university collections and to museums.

A former P&G actress said that the tape library was destroyed. It probably was. Those people were awful pieces of shit.

Did Laurie Ann Karr have a baby with Johnny Dallas? They could re-boot with that kid, who I think was a boy. He'd be mid/late forties now. Tie in with the past.

R152 that actress might be right or she may simply be wrong.

I like to think she's wrong. Info is funny; people say stuff they've heard as a rumor and repeat it as fact.

Wasn’t it the known drunk CZP who said that about tapes being destroyed? Sure, listen to a 2x dui arrestee.

Getting a DUI was like getting an Emmy for the average P&G actress.

There's no real way to tell if P&G did destroy their library, becayse P&G the TV arm (Telenext) simply does not exist any more.

So I'd be more apt to believe it. A company with no employees probably isn't minding the storage lockers.

I do believe that the official library before 1978 was destroyed, but I also believe that there are more copies in private collections than we know. Every time someone with rare material starts posting things, they get beat up on by the fans and just stop because it's not worth the trouble.

[quote] I do believe that the official library before 1978 was destroyed

Uh, P&G didn't start saving shows until 1979 so we knew that was the case. We're talking about 1979 and after in the case of the remaining P&G library.

More on the torrid romance of Joel and Velekka, please. I bet the sex was scorching.

R118 Met Joel Crothers in a bar, commenting on knowing who he was, he at first denied it. When I reminded him we were both actors at the time he was in "Mr. Pennypacker" on Broadway, he relaxed. Told me P&G had a Morals Clause that could get him fired for publicly being gay. We talked about mutual kid actors in the '50s. Didn't exchange numbers. If memory serves, when an actor died of AIDS, P&G said it was cancer.

The city seen in open and close of EON was Cincinnati, home of Procter & Gamble.

R160 please don't encourage That Troll.

[quote] Told me P&G had a Morals Clause that could get him fired for publicly being gay.

[quote] If memory serves, when an actor died of AIDS, P&G said it was cancer.

Thanks for sharing, R161. Very interesting. This immediately made me think of Chris Bernau, and the sort of weirdness that's existed about Chris and his cause of death (which was never made public) makes a bit more sense now, if that clause was true.

[quote]If memory serves, when an actor died of AIDS, P&G said it was cancer.

Joel Crothers died of AIDS in November 1985. At that point, no one acknowledged publicly that someone died of AIDS. It was always of the related causes. In Joel's case lymphoma. That was standard procedure at the time.

Joel was on Santa Barbara, a non-P&G show, at the time, and I doubt New World or whoever owned SB had a morals clause.

In the early days of AIDS it was not uncommon for a public obit to list a secondary cause of death, and not AIDS. It was all part of the stigma of the disease.

Peter Burnell (aka Burnell Sitterly) was said to have been depressed about his career, but he'd just gotten a diagnosis of AIDS.

Gerald Mast would die about 18 months later, but specifically asked for AIDS to be identified as his cause of death.

Chris Bernau of Gudiing Light died of AIDS in 1989.

But even in her memoir, written in 2011, Kim Zimmer said that she heard Bernau died of a "tropical disease."

I watched Edge Of Night religiously after school for two years, but other then the beguiling Kim Hunter, I remember nothing. I remember multiple storylines and details from General Hospital.

R170 yes, that struck me as SO odd. I just wonder if Bernau swore his costars to secrecy and Zimmer complied....even all those years later?

His death is listed as a heart attack brought on by AIDS in Wikipedia but has no citations.

I remember We Love Soaps had him very prominently listed on the World AIDS Day page and then suddenly....he was not there. So not sure why he was removed from that list.

Bernau's World AIDS Day page on the We Love Soaps site was only gone for a short time. They reposted it later. It's there now.

That weirdo Roger Newcomb ran We Love Soaps into the ground. He threatened everyone at his Nuke gatherings to not mention being gay to Van Hansis. Fun times.

Roger Newcomb did a tireless and like thankless job running his site and championing soaps. I miss that site almost as much as I miss WoST.

I’m betting someone at the publisher coaxed Kim Zimmer into massaging the truth about Bernau’s death — they probably told her they couldn’t confirm and didn’t want to be open to any liability.

R175 yes indeed.

He has been teased here a bit for his Nuke "enthusiasm" but he did a great job with we love soaps.

[quote]I’m betting someone at the publisher coaxed Kim Zimmer into massaging the truth about Bernau’s death — they probably told her they couldn’t confirm and didn’t want to be open to any liability.

I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happened.

But why make up this tropical disease nonsense? All she had to do was say how much she liked working with Bernau and how much she missed him. She could have done that without mentioning how he died.

R178 - good point.

Does anyone know/remember how and when Jayne Bentsen lady the role of Nicole?

How much time elapsed before Lisa Sloan began? Was the actor change tied to Nicole’s aplastic anemia story?

Thanks in advance.

Bentzen *

R180, the replacements for Nicole were ridiculous ... much too young. I loved Maeve McGuire from her first day on EON. Her storyline with Donald May was one of my all-time favorites.

Below is a link with a write-up of Nicole's story over the years. It gets skimpy toward the end, leaving out lots of details, but it does give you a good sense of her beginnings.

As I recall, Nancy and Geraldine were trying to convince Maeve McGuire's Nicole that she would be good for the TV anchor job at WMON. But by the time Nicole finally went to do a screen test for the anchor job, it was Jane Bentzen playing Nicole. This would have been sometime in 1978.

LIsa Sloan was mannish looking, but better than the wooden Jayne Bentzen.

When I started watching EON Jayne Bentzen was playing Nicole. I liked Lisa Sloan in the role better. On the final episode of EON, when Beth and Myles were in the hotel room, I wanted there to be a knock on the door. Expecting room service, Myles would have opened the door. I wanted Nicole (played by Lisa Sloan) to be at the door saying, "Myles, honey, I'm back." Then the camera does a close up of Myles, then Beth, and then finally Nicole again.

Maeve McGuire is of the lebanese persuasion.

An angry and jealous Mary Stuart tried to get Maeve fired from Search. Would've been a cold day in hell before Mary would let that McCleary cunt eclipse Jo as matriarch.

Imagine the cunt off between Helen Wagner and Mary Stuart if Mary had joined ATWT as a recast Edith Hughes after Search ended.

Lisa Sloan was the only Nicole I ever knew. I thought she was great, very likable, but after seeing Maeve as Elena De Pulionaque (sp?) on AW and later on Search, I could see why folks would accept no substitute. Still, I hated when Nicole died from poisoned makeup coinciding with Henry Slesar leaving the show.

I think Adam Drake Jr. ended up living with Draper and April in London. (I didn't know initially April and Miles were siblings.)

Zimmer probably felt it wasn't her place to say Bernau died of AIDS. I think it was a heart attack technically.

The reason AIDS wasn't listed as a cause of death is because there was a primary way to get it; that was being fucked without a condom.

If they died of lung cancer, you think of them smoking a cigarette. Heart attack? You think of them as eating poorly. and maybe smoking.

So one might read AIDS as a cause of death and that leaves the image of the person in a leather harness, getting penetrated analy with a writhing look on their face.

On "The Doctors" who beside David O'Brien was gay? The sister of a friend was David's nurse at the end of his life.

r190 Your question is probably better asked in the thread linked below.

Discussions of The Doctors does sometimes come up in the linked thread.

Goodness R190, you revived this dead thread with that question? Wow - The Doctors... a show I think ,my mother watched. I think she had been friends with a Bob (or was it Don?) Hastings as a child and there he was on TV!

Bob Hastings was on General Hospital as police captain Burt Ramsey from 1978 to 1986.

Don Hastings was on As The World Turns as Dr. Bob Hughes from 1960 to 2010.

I was always more of a “Secret Storm” fangirl. 😘

r194 I took you for a Love of Life gal.

R193, thanks for the correction... there were so many soaps on when I was a kid... Don Hastings as Dr. Bob - ATWT, got it.

R196 When AWTW left the air on September 10, 2010 after 54 years, Don Hastings was the last character seen, as he turned off the lights in his office. Camera zoomed in on World globe on his desk. Fade tp Black.

r197 ATWT lived another week before fading to black. Final episode was Sept 17, 2010.

I'm currently watching episodes being posted in consecutive order daily on MrEdge80s youtube channel from late 1981. A newish character, Jinx Avery, started popping up more and more, a woman with a terminal disease who's a patient of Dr. Miles Cavanaugh. She's played by Kate Capshaw, the future Mrs. Steven Spielberg.

So in the latest episode uploaded yesterday (originally aired Dec 25, 1981) , the voice over announcer says Jinx Avery is now being played by a different actress, Susan McDonald. It seemed so abrupt since Capshaw had appeared in just the previous day's episode (originally broadcast on Dec 24).

So i researched further and discover on her IMDB page that she co-starred in a movie with DL fave Tim Matheson called 'A Little Sex' directed by Bruce Paltrow that was released in early April 1982. (Trailer at link below) . So I figured once she nabbed this movie role she must've told Edge of Night so long with little to no notice.

Then I see someone asks about the Capshaw's departure in the comments and MrEdge80s responds that he asked Sharon Gabet about it and she confirms that that is actually what happened.