Israel Under Attack from Land and Air: Part 4

Um skeert.

My hur is standing on end.

Some drone footage of what's left of Gaza.

No! I don't wanna! It's not like we're change anything or solve anything.

Nations should call for immediate cease fire in the region and impose sanctions if they fight. On whoever fights. Bring them to the table, negotiate a two state agreement, and seek peace.

If they don't want to do that, who can help them? No one. You can't work with people who think annihilation of the enemy is the only way.

Israeli embassy staffer knifed in China.

Harrowing video appears to catch the moment a staffer at the Israeli Embassy in Beijing was stabbed on a sidewalk — on the day that Hamas’ former leader called on all members of Islam to wage a “day of Jihad.”

The Israeli Embassy staffer, who has not been identified, is seen being stabbed repeatedly by the male assailant Friday after a brief struggle as he lies on a sidewalk, according to the South China Morning Post.

The victim manages to get away and the attacker limps off after the brutal incident as passersby look on. A trail of blood is left behind.

“The employee was transferred to hospital and he is in a stable condition,” the Israeli Foreign Ministry said in a statement, without giving additional details.

I remember Syrian activists begging Palestinian Liberation orgs to rally with them against Assad - over 4000 Syrian Palestinians were killed by Assad and many more disappeared. They either said nothing or supported Assad because is backed by Iran and Russia. It was and is absolutely repulsive and while I believe in safety and liberation for Palestinians in Gaza/West bank I’m no longer naïve among the motivations of some in the movement.

[quote]They will bomb the shit out of it until there's nothing but dust. Then they will keep bombing to take out the network of tunnels. They repeat this process over moving south until the entire strip is nothing but rubble and people.

This speculation from the previous thread is incorrect. First of all, that's a complete waste of ammunition; Israel's stocks are vast but not infinite. Also, IDF will launch urban warfare in the evacuated Gaza and you can't do that if there's rubble everywhere.

r3 Exactly. My head hurts thinking how much EU taxpayer money (my money) went into Gaza over the years, only for Hamas to funnel most of it into terrorism. Erase the fuckers and let Fatah run that shithole, they're doing great running the West Bank already.

CHICAGO—Affecting countless Americans from coast to coast, hundreds of multipronged Israel-Palestine proxy wars are currently being fought across local Facebook groups, sources confirmed Thursday. “From neighborhood watch groups to dachshund-owner meetup groups, there is basically no page right now that is free from conflict,” said military analyst Sandra Langwade, who noted that the conflict dating back to 1948 had now spilled over into posts appearing on youth soccer, birding, and even forklift-certification Facebook groups. “This war will be won not on battlefields, but on a community page called Lincoln Park Moms. The United Nations has dispatched peacekeepers into the comment sections, but they’re simply overwhelmed. And some of the things they’re seeing are very disturbing.” At press time, Langwade confirmed that Nextdoor had fallen under complete IDF occupation.

WASHINGTON—Pushing back a black hood to reveal reddened, glowing eyes, Sen. Ron Darkness appeared on CNN Friday to try to garner support for a 1,000-year reign of blood. “In times of great tragedy, we as Americans must do all we can to enact many millennia of death and suffering,” the independent lawmaker from Hades said in an address delivered through all languages at once, reading off a teleprompter operated by Samael, Ruler of Hell, who reportedly left the studio floor peppered with unconscious and bleeding CNN crew members. “The harrowing images and rising death tolls coming out of the Middle East are, frankly, child’s play. Viscera must flow down every street. The oceans must blacken with blood and terror. We must crucify ourselves at the altar of death. That is why I am announcing my run for president.” Sen. Darkness went on to plead for all belligerents in the world’s conflicts to not relent until a 100% global casualty rate had been reached.

Holy shit! At R2. The Israelis are not fucking around and never do. They've had enough of pogroms and genocide, playing by other people's rules, contributing to every country they live in yet still getting massacred. Never again, and they fucking mean it. This is completely on Hamas.

It's been a global "mask off" kind of event, for sure. Antisemites – stealth and otherwise – coming out of the woodwork left and right (but mostly left), with their talk of "nuance". I didn't hear any calls for nuance when 9/11 happened, but the Jews are supposed to just take it up the ass whenever.

R10, yup.

r10 It's so crazy to me that someone can survive the Holocaust by the Nazis, only to die in a pogrom by Hamas terrorists decades later. What part of "never again" do people not understand? A message needs to be sent what happens if you fuck with the state of Israel. Their Arab neighbours already got that memo several times since 1948, and the Palestinians will now receive the final lesson.

[quote] playing by other people's rules

Hahaha as if Israel has ever played by the rules. It violates international law every minute of the day.

I’m trying to look at this from both sides but the extremists…on either side are ultra right wingers who are hardcore homophobes and bigots.

r12 That disparity is there largely thanks to the insane effectiveness of the Iron Dome. Without it, the Israeli casualties would be way, way higher.

…who are killing innocent civilians.

r15 I mean, Israel is a democratic country that currently happens to have a shit coalition in place, try being gay in any one of the 50 Muslim-majority countries.

R14, that's not what I said. Reading comprehension is not your thing, I get it.

What is Israel’s justification for displacing the Palestinians from their lands? What role do the Western powers play in this?

Oh, hun, at R20, teach yourself about the ongoing islamic conquest, started by the rapin, enslavin, mass murderin mohammade himself.

[quote]proxy wars are currently being fought across local Facebook groups

Brave new world that has such Facebook groups in 't!

Does Gaza have water? How will they clean and prep for surgeries with no water?

[quote]Bring them to the table, negotiate a two state agreement, and seek peace.

I wonder why no one thought of this before!

[quote] My head hurts thinking how much EU taxpayer money (my money) went into Gaza over the years, only for Hamas to funnel most of it into terrorism.

Link R7?

I though Jared Kushner fixed all the problems in the Middle East. If I'd pay him $2 billion I 'd want my money back right about now.

R24 yeah yeah yeah it doesn't work, no shit.

What they need is a guilt inducing movie made by someone like Spielberg that told the sadness of two families on each side. Forget the military and rebels. Tell the stories of two families and what they go through on each side.

Maybe it would open their eyes and actually change something.

Wish Spielberg would make that one.

From part 3:

[quote]I believe what simultaneously will occur---and we might never learn of this in any detail---will be Mossad squads sent elsewhere to assassinate Hamas leaders where they are taking refuge.

Mossad should previously have put people in place to do exactly that, just as a precaution.

R20 Start with the British who messed around with the region in slap-happy colonial fashion, promising a Jewish homeland in exchange for Jewish support in WWl (Balfour Declaration.) Unfortunately they promised the Arabs the same thing. When the British realized the clusterfuck they created in an area that didn't even have any oil they said holy shit, it's all yours United Nations. See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya.

The UN proposed its partition plan. Two states, Israel and Palestine. Zionists said yes, Arabs no. If you google 1947 borders you will immediately see how ridiculous the borders are, but it was a great start for Israel, since Zionists were the minority. The Arabs declared war. Unfortunately they had no military hardware to speak of, or trained soldiers. Many Arabs were aghast they were going to war, knowing it was hopeless.

It was hopeless. Israel gained territory as a result, but the biggest change to Israel's frontiers came in 1967, when the conflict known as the Six Day War left Israel in occupation of the Sinai peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and most of the Syrian Golan Heights - effectively tripling the size of territory under Israel's control. Israel effectively annexed East Jerusalem - claiming the whole of the city as its capital - and the Golan Heights.

Israel gave the sinai back to Egypt but still occupies the West Bank, Gaza, and most of the Golan Heights. UN resolution 242 declares it is illegal to acquire territory gained by war. Israel's plan in to cover the occupied West Bank in settlements, also illegal under international law, so they will be difficult to remove.

As far as the western powers involvement, for starters google AIPEC and see how much influence the lobby has in the U.S.

So Israel’s claim is based on the passages from Torah and the Bible? Supported by the imperialistic Balfour Declaration and the guilt of the World War II Allied Powers who failed to provide sufficient support and rescue of European Jews who died in the Holocaust?

Wasn’t the mufti of Palestine aligned with the Nazis? He visited Germany during the war and even offered to kill Jews in Palestine at the time? How fucking complicated it all is.

[quote] [R12] That disparity is there largely thanks to the insane effectiveness of the Iron Dome. Without it, the Israeli casualties would be way, way higher.

So upsetting isn’t it. I could cry.

It's not that complicated but you have to read things.

Israeli hasbara likes to foreground the mufti's Nazi pals, probably because they're tired of being called Nazis themselves. The mufti was advocating Arab independence so it was a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Finland allied with the Nazis on the same principle, to fight the Russians.

[quote][R10] It's so crazy to me that someone can survive the Holocaust by the Nazis, only to die in a pogrom by Hamas terrorists decades later.

Who did that happen to ? I haven't been following specific stories.

People are being raped (NSFW)!

[quote] the guilt of the World War II Allied Powers who failed to provide sufficient support and rescue of European Jews who died in the Holocaust?

Yes, failure to provide support, to put it mildly.

Going back to the Balfour declaration is not enough context. You need to go back to Claudius expelling the Jews from Israel.

I think Claudius expelled them from Rome, not Israel, ElderLez. There is this confusing little passage in Suetonius:

Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he [the Emperor Claudius] expelled them from Rome.

Is Chrestus Christ? What is really going on here? Who knows?

I think Hadrian banned them from Jerusalem after they decided the fun of the first Jewish revolt wasn't enough, and they should do it all again in 135. But it's confusing. I do know he put a big temple to Jupiter in Jerusalem and forbade Torah Law and even renamed the whole thing Syria Palaestina (looks familiar), and some Christian sources claim he expelled them all, but they may be mistaken or lying. Still, there was a lot of devastation and I'm sure anyone that could left the province.

What part of "Never Again!" don't you understand?

- Israel to the Palestinians, and the world.

R35 I have the book and movie. Heartbreaking story.

R30, the Mufti of Jerusalem spent the entire war in Berlin. He was buddies with Adolf. They were going to make the Middle East Juden-Frei as soon as it was possible.

The scandal-ridden Netanyahu is hoping to become a Wartime Leader. Like Bush in 2001, he of course was aware of the plot but let it play out so he could capitalize on it politically.

In Bush's case they nabbed the perps before they could get on the planes, killed them and remote-controlled the planes into the buildings. He saved his Presidency, was reelected, made billion$ for his cronies and was able to create the clandestine, sinister organization of Homeland Security.

I think you are correct and I am wrong R37. Let’s go back to Hadrian.

R29 so Israel is breaking the law and has been since 1967 in the acquired territories and gets away with it because the US backs it?

What if the US didn't back it? Trump said recently in a speech that the Israeli intelligence and US were working to take out the Iranian general and the day before the operation was to take place, Israel said they weren't going to participate. Trump said he felt let down by them.

US just wants Israel for the tactical location advantage against others in the ME.

[quote]The scandal-ridden Netanyahu is hoping to become a Wartime Leader. Like Bush in 2001, he of course was aware of the plot but let it play out so he could capitalize on it politically.

If so, it was a grave miscalculation on his part.

"Four out of five Jewish Israelis believe the government and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are to blame for the mass infiltration of Hamas terrorists into Israel and the massacre that followed."

1967, when the conflict known as the Six Day War

You mean that “conflict” when Israel was attacked on all sides by the combined forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, reinforced by aircraft from Libya, Algeria, Morocco, and Kuwait, r29?

The protestors of Palestinians consider them to be facing to be like enslavement, a holocaust, imprisonment, apartheid?. They think the west doesn't care because they're brown.

If you think of it like that, every strong angry reaction by a Palestinian supporter makes sense. It's not attacking for no reason. It's like they think they're fighting Nazis.

(But no excuse for any soldiers, terrorists whatever attacking women, elderly and children, that's just heinous. I'm talking about the visceral reaction of protestors)

[quote] Who did that happen to ?

Nobody afaik R33, seems the other poster just made it up. But I’m guessing they’ll qualify it as a “descendants of” if they were questioned, allowing them to essentially headline a lie, but have a reasonable explanation when called out.

How can you undo years of generational wars, terrorism, pain from killing amongst people who hate each other when so deeply ingrained in the cycle?

[quote]Nobody afaik [R33], seems the other poster just made it up.

If this Holocaust survivor isn't dead yet, he or she soon will be.

what happens after Gaza is destroyed?

[quote]1967, when the conflict known as the Six Day War

R45 Yeah, that one dear, the one Israel started. The one where Israel bombed the USS Liberty and killed 34 Americans.

You're welcome.

Interesting R49, presumably that would have happened last weekend, and nobody has named said holocaust survivor? Not saying it hasn’t happened but that’s verrrrrrry vague.

Also the article is 3 days old with no update from anywhere else?

Has Michael Lucas made a statement?

R52, her name is not hard to find. You seem verrrrrrry slow.

Pain has a long memory,r50 and bombing innocent people in the name of 'ro0tIng OUt tHe TerRoRISts'🥴 in the name of religion ain't it. This turf war has been going on for nearly 80 years and since the United States has made it abundantly clear which side they are on🥺😩😭 people are taking matters into their own hands. These things don't happen in a vacuum-the innocent children will remember how their parents and loved ones were killed and that festering sore of hate will finally boil over_as it appears to be now. And I'm sorry to hear that NPR -while not exactly impartial before this Hamas attack -have been given carte blanc to be all Israel victimhood all the time . There's no pretense of nuance anymore, no push back,when questioning Israeli officials about what will happen to the Gaza when all food,water and electricity are cut off with nowhere to run from the bombs -a clear violation of the Geneva convention laws.🥴🥺😭 Y'all better think of something quick, because desperate people pushed against the wall will come out swinging -and they won't care who they hit- particularly if they have hungry children/ family members crying for bread/thirst.

R54 I’ll concede if I’m wrong, but I think based on what the family have said (no mention of holocaust) that she lived through the holocaust and didn’t experience it directly, rather than escaped the holocaust (general term for holocaust survivor). The only articles that describe her as a holocaust survivor are that yahoo one and a timesofisrael one. Anyway I hope she makes it out alive, but it doesn’t look like Israel gaf about their own citizens that have been taken hostage and are gonna bomb them alongside Palestinians.

So what is the nuanced response to the rape, slaughter, and kidnapping by Hamas? Anything? Anything at all?

[quote] Y'all better think of something quick, because desperate people pushed against the wall will come out swinging -and they won't care who they hit- particularly if they have hungry children/ family members crying for bread/thirst.

True. So will desperate, angry people who have been hit by atrocities by assholes and fuckwads, especially when they know the assholes and fuckwads will continue trying to kill all of them whenever possible. They will come out swinging, and killing, and bombing and ignoring the usual rules, including Geneva Convention laws. That is the reality right now and for weeks to come, if not longer.

An Israeli shell landed in a gathering of international journalists covering clashes on the border in south Lebanon, killing one and leaving six others injured.

An Associated Press photographer at the scene saw the body of the dead journalist and the six who were wounded, some of whom were rushed to hospitals in ambulances. Images from the scene showed a charred car.

What concerns me is reports Bibi eating whole pints of strawberry ice cream. What if he has a heart attack and can't lead?

Blinken has his head so far up Bibi's ass he can taste the strawberries.

Legislative Democrats face backlash for refusing to support Israel resolution

12 House Democrats walked off the House floor; four Senate Democrats refused to sign Senate’s statement

RALEIGH — Democrats in both chambers of the North Carolina General Assembly are facing backlash for failing to support a resolution and statement supporting Israel after the country suffered unprovoked and brutal attacks by Hamas on Oct. 7.

On Oct. 10, the House passed a resolution urging Congress to support Israel “financially and otherwise for as long as it takes for Israel to bring justice in light of the unprovoked attacks on innocent Israeli civilians.”

The resolution passed unanimously 104-0, but with 12 Democrat members walking out on the vote including Reps. John Autry (Mecklenburg County), Amber Baker (Forsyth), Gloristine Brown (Pitt) Kanika Brown (Forsyth), Maria Cervania (Wake), Terence Everitt (Wake), Pricey Harrison (Guilford), Nasif Majeed (Mecklenburg), Marcia Morey (Durham), Renee Price (Orange), Diamond Staton-Williams (Cabarrus), and Julie von Haefen (Wake).

Rep. Erin Paré, the primary sponsor of the House resolution, slammed the Democrats who left the floor.

“It is unconscionable to me that Democrats have become so extreme that they walked out and refused to vote on a resolution condemning the slaughtering of children and raping of women,” said Paré. “Their shameful actions have sent a terrible message to not only the people of Israel, but all of America’s allies across the world.”

“When I spoke on the floor, I expressed my strong hope that we could come together as a body to support Israel and stand up against the evil and heinous actions of Hamas,” Paré said. “Sadly, these twelve Democrats chose to turn their back and walk out in shame. While they chose to side with terrorists who murdered innocent babies, the people of North Carolina will always stand with Israel and against terrorism.”

[quote] unprovoked

?????

"what happens after Gaza is destroyed?"

Condos

Well, MSNBC is doing its damnedest to ramp up sympathy for the suffering, wounded, homeless, and hospitalized Palestinians. Ooh, fuel is scarce! Ooh, Hamas wants them to stay!

NONE OF WHICH would be happening but for the Hamas sneak and savage mass murder attack on Israel. Remember that? Is that lost already in the mists of time?

I for one, in any conflict from personal to international, have never felt the slightest twinge of sympathy to THOSE WHO BEGAN THE FIGHT. Big nope.

Jews historically and today's Israelis in particular should say to the world, and especially the ever-ready-to-condemn-them U.N., the great retort from "The Heiress":

"Can you be so cruel?"

"Yes, I can be very cruel. I have been taught by masters."

Future MSNBC guests analyst at work.

A Stanford University lecturer has been suspended for allegedly making Jewish students stand in a corner while branding them “colonizers” — while also downplaying the Holocaust and defending murderous Hamas terrorists as “freedom fighters.”

Students said the lecturer, who was not identified, opened two freshman classes Tuesday by saying the lesson would be on colonialism, the co-presidents of Stanford’s Israeli Student Association told the San Francisco Chronicle.

He then blamed the war raging between Israel and Hamas on “Zionists” — supporters of a movement for the protection of an independent Jewish state.

The lecturer also reportedly justified the slaughter of more than 1,300 Israelis by Hamas terrorists over the weekend, saying it was part of Palestinians’ resistance.

The teacher then asked Jewish students to raise their hands, separated them from their belongings and ordered them to stand in a corner, saying that is what Jews were doing to Palestinians, according to Nourya Cohen, one of the Israeli association presidents.

“He asked how many Jews died in the Holocaust,” said Cohen. When someone said 6 million, “he said, ‘Yes. Only 6 million.’”

“He said, ‘Hamas is a legitimate representation of the Palestinian people,'” Greenberg said. “‘They are not a terrorist group. They are freedom fighters. Their actions are legitimate.'”

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I bet he has a man bun or a pony tail.

I am always amused [Read: Sardonic] by those who downplay, denigrate, doubt, or deny the Holocaust, when it was the Nazis themselves, and Eichmann most notably and meticulously, who kept the records of extermination!

Iraqis hold a mass rally supporting the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, Oct. 13

If only the UN could have forced a vote in Gaza before this. The Hamas support in Gaza before this was soft. Lots of unhappiness with Hamas in Gaza and in surrounding countries. . And that has been well documented. But without a vote and there has not been one since 2006 their soft support and unhappiness is a moot point,

A true run away train without breaks. This is not going to end well. It’s the pictures of burnt babies

Hamas has 60% support in Gaza. It looks like 40% followed the evacuation order. Which implies that everyone left are either Hamas or their supporters. Very little collateral damage if the IDF just incinerates that habitrail network under Gaza City and bulldozes the rest.

R69

Hamas has somewhat support at 57%. It’s not a I support strongly 57%.

[quote] Which implies that everyone left are either Hamas or their supporters.

And their children R69.

Again, as stated in the prior thread, if the rural settlers had guns and weapons at the ready, in their HOMES, today's story would be of very few dead Israelis and a whole lot of dead terrorists. Can someone comment on gun control laws in Israel, and why these settlers - some living only a few miles from the Gaza border - weren't armed to the teeth?

And also why the IDF didn't have widespread outposts in south Israel, to help defend from such attacks.

Link in the next post (due to restrictions) about the one kibbutz - Nir Am- whose citizens were armed that morning. They suffered no causalities, and killed almost all of the Hamas invaders. A much better ending.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R72, the IDF was in the West Bank, protecting/enabling the fanatical settlers. This was a failure not only of Israel’s intelligence services, but a political mistake by Netanyahu and his government.

From the previous thread:

[QUOTE]There are a lot of wives, mothers, sisters of Hamas members in Gaza, we should allow them to trade what they know in exchange for asylum in the US.

Elderlez, seriously? You want people with ENORMOUS grudges against us into the U.S.? What could possibly go wrong? And why do you believe men from such an incredibly sexist and paternalistic society would share military and political secrets with the women folk? The women are there to cook and clean for the men and present hole on demand to produce more terrorists, in addition to working to bring home the bacon because many of their men don't work.

R75 oh elderlez has been posting in a manner that’s as stupid as it is nasty, but dressed up in fake care-speak.

In your example above she’s essentially saying “we should let ☺️❤️ women and children 😌🥰 access asylum 👼😇 but only on the condition 😭🥺 that they give information on their family members 👨‍👩‍👧‍👧 that will result in their deaths 💁‍♀️🤭”

R73 oh please.

Is she the Israeli version of Private Jessica Lynch?

Did she stop the soldiers as they were mid-decapitating a nursery of newborns?

[quote] the IDF was in the West Bank, protecting/enabling the fanatical settlers. This was a failure not only of Israel’s intelligence services, but a political mistake by Netanyahu and his government.

I am totally shocked that this happened on the scale it did, in a country where military service is mandatory for nearly every adult, which includes advanced weapons training. The average Israeli knows their way around weapons, they know how to aim and shoot. Yet - almost NONE of the vulnerable settlers had guns at the ready in their own homes!! The link at r73 states that weapons on kibbutzes were kept in a central, collective "armory" - what fu*king good did that do? Who has time to leisurely retrieve them, when under sneak attack?

Can you imagine if these rural developments were along the US-Mexico border? Every house would have a gun safe or a large weapons stash, and every adult and most teens would know how to use them at the slightest provocation. And that's with relatively friendly relations with Mexico! there isn't a terrorist threat there.

I am having a hard time, as an American, wrapping my mind around this.

[quote] I am having a hard time, as an American, wrapping my mind around this.

Well of course you do, like you say, you’re an American 😂😂😂

You know what's dumb? Building a fucking kibbutz a few miles away from Gaza, a place in the news all the time for terrorist shit.

What's so effing funny r79? There were hundreds of people brutally killed last week. There was one lone kibbutz that escaped death and destruction, and successfully killed all of their invaders. The one group that grabbed their weapons and took up positions.

And I also would like to know why the widely touted IDF had literally no outposts in the vulnerable south region. It took in some cases HOURS for the army to arrive, to help the attacked settlements.

R81 I was just teasing, it was a funny sentence that had a lot of layers to it beyond your meaning.

Personally I wouldn't live right up the nose of neighbors who actively wanted me dead. But if I did, I'd probably keep firearms within quick and easy reach.

Defies comprehension how they thought they were safe.

Politically, the kibbutz leans left. Many sees Gazans as their neighbors.

“There were people from Gaza who worked in the kibbutz and they were a part of the community, they’d bring their children to the kindergarten in the kibbutz. When they couldn’t come to work there anymore, we began collecting money from the community and there is now a fund that keeps them alive,” said resident Michal Pinyan, adding that she is determined to keep sending the money to the family.

The kibbutz has its own volunteer emergency squad, about 15 people who are supposed to protect the community from danger until the army comes. With an army base just a few minutes away, everyone thought that the Israel Defense Forces would come any moment. But that did not happen.

I’d certainly turn in a relative of mine if they were a mass murderer or a serial killer or had kidnapped multiple people and were keeping them hostage. I don’t really understand the thinking of someone who wouldn’t. If that makes me nasty then nasty I’ll be.

People who “don’t count” in a culture often hear and see more than the people who do.

Not all Palestinians hate the US, and a woman who has turned on Hamas is going to be more concerned about not being killed by Hamas supporters than she is about any theoretical grudge against the US. But if it theoretical sexism you are worried about I could get behind asylum for men who provide material assistance in taking out Hamas.

I feel bad for saying this but I can sort of see why the communists banned religion.

I wish all the holy sites would be sucked into the ground by an earthquake. Maybe all the religious people would say look! It's a sign, God wants peace! But that's the thing about a non-speaking God and religion. You can make it be anything you want.

[quote]Many sees Gazans as their neighbors.

Well, they were wrong then, weren't they?

[quote]I feel bad for saying this but I can sort of see why the communists banned religion.

So nothing would stand in the way of their bloodlust?

Anybody who didn’t leave Gaza is supporting Hamas? Get real, there are sick and injured citizens who aren’t able to travel. There are doctors and aid workers there. They can’t leave their patients. Some people are on ventilators. it’s fear all around, and I’d be afraid to go or stay.

R85 there are currently over 1000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons that are being held on ‘administrative detention’ meaning without cause, they have no trial set and will be held indefinitely. These people have essentially been kidnapped and it is against the Geneva convention. Would you have Israeli women give up their partners information for their participation in this, with the end result being their imprisonment or death? And why are you silent on this?

Sure R90, Israelis should speak out about injustices.

R84 well that was fucking sad to read

I get the P's are upset with the I's but 2 wrongs don't make a right.

R91 lol do you have a point?

R29 "UN resolution 242 declares it is illegal to acquire territory gained by war."

Kind of like an ex post facto law when you consider the timing of that resolution.

I was responding to R90’s question with what I wrote. The link was meant for the other thread.

You've said absolutely nothing of substance,r57 -just a childlike 'tit for tat' 😭copy and paste of my comment. Again, I have no dog in this fight , just a genuine concern for humanity. But how can Israel -with full unilateral support of the United States -claim they are the underdogs when billions of dollars of taxpayers money goes to fund their military/ weapons and when a good deal of AMERICAN lawmakers have dual Israeli citizenship?

And you wonder why some of us are side eyeing this whole sorded situation?😔😩😭

R95 bit rich to call it a response.

I don't believe it would happen, but if Palestinians captured Israeli lands, how would UN resolution 242 factor in or is it mainly invented to prevent Israel from defining defendable borders from very hostile neighbors?

Nobody cares why you're side eyeing anything r96, and nobody cares who you think the underdog is. You made a stupid post saying everybody should just kind of like you know be nice, and got the response you get to stupid dingbat posts like that.

R96, what difference does money make if your children are kidnapped or your wife is killed and raped on Facebook? Your “side eye” had many years of ugly precedence. You may as well say the Israelis have all the money, since it’s on the tip of your tongue,

I know that I will be downvoted for this, but we ought to remember that Israel's conservative cabal helped to create Hamas in order to undermine the Palestinian National Authority. This is a horrible tragedy that was originated by a corrupt government and the violent organization that it helped to create in order to destabilize the Palestinian political landscape, and that is why I must insist: both Israeli and Palestinian civilians are unnecessarily suffering due to the actions of immoral, greedy and sociopathic politicians who are at the service of the military branch of the corporatocracy that rules the world.

Just as we cannot claim that all Jewish people hate Palestinians and Muslims, we cannot claim that all Palestinians are bloodthirsty degenerates who dream of destroying Israel and murdering Jews - innocent people who had no part in Hamas' and Netanyahu's crumbling government's decisions, are suffering on both sides. Moreover, we are being driven towards a 3rd World War and this is being used to initiate it. Haven't we seen how horrible war is? Hasn't there been enough destruction? We must sit down and negotiate, because peace is truly precious and fighting to preserve it is essential for EVERYONE's survival.

Tale as old as time. Give people guns guns thinking they'll fight for you then they use them against you.

[quote] We must sit down and negotiate, because peace is truly precious and fighting to preserve it is essential for EVERYONE's survival.

Great. Hamas' position, as set forth in its founding Covenant, is that Israel must be completely destroyed.

What negotiating tactic do you think will dissuade them from this position?

I knew you would resort to name calling,r99 when hit with facts. That's the go to 'defense'😉🥺🥴 of internet trolls who can't respond like a mature person. It's not whether anybody cares about an anonymous person's response (well maybe you, judging by your tantrum 😉)but being mad at FACTS easily accessible by the stroke of a keyboard. Anyways...😊

No Israelis don’t have all the money. That’s why we give ‘em lots.

R90, Ever heard of Guantanamo?

Also, the U.N. can KMBWA.

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Photos- Martyrs of the IDF, police and Shin Bet personnel and civilians: the names of the murdered and the stories from the war in Gaza

R96 has no concept of either Middle East geography or history post-WW II.

I’m heartbroken for the casualties…

R96, I could find ZERO examples of any American politician holding dual US-Israeli citizenship. Moreover, such granting by Israel seems for intended immigrants only.

IOW---PLEASE PROVIDE A NAME. I'll wait.

Meanwhile, there's this anti-Semitic nutcase on the general topic:

Israel tells 1 million to move in 24 hrs. I guess they'll all go to their pied a tierres in another part of Gaza?

R111: “ I guess they'll all go to their pied a tierres in another part of Gaza?”

Must be nice to be able to go anywhere

Clearly I hit a nerve, r108, r110.😂 I gave a thoughtful, measured comment based on FACTS that are readily accessible-and didn't resort to name calling . One of my favorite sayings of late is "hit dogs 🐶 will holler!"😄😬 Feel free to move on to other comments if mine bothers you so much.

[quote]All over Tel Aviv, ominous graffiti declares: “Wipe out Gaza”; someone spray-painted this on my own tiny residential street, in a reliably centre-left voting district, just a few houses down. Within hours of the attack, Israel began a massive air war against Gaza, causing 1,500 deaths by Thursday, cutting electricity in a zone whose 2 million civilians have been under severe blockade since 2007, and killing approximately 500 children. More than 400,000 people have been displaced by shelling. By Wednesday, Gaza’s main power plant had run out of fuel and been forced to shut down, while on Friday Israel ominously ordered the complete evacuation of Palestinians from the northern part of the Gaza Strip, apparently in preparation for a ground war. Soon, the very idea of being rightwing in Israel will mean being extreme, brutal, cruel and vengeful.

Again, this is a TERRIBLE tragedy and the people dying are not the members of Netanyahu's cabinet or Mahmoud Abbas' cabinet, but innocent civilians. Palestinian and Israeli people who didn't have any power, didn't make any decisions to initiate hostilities and simply wanted to live in peace. We MUST NOT forget that these are human beings like ourselves, who don't deserve what is happening to them just because they were unfortunate enough to be born in a highly contested geopolitical region. AGAIN, we should be demanding that both parties sit to negotiate peace because, otherwise, we will be dragged into an unnecessary world war that will destroy the planet.

Let's stop behaving like petulant children and try to think rationally, like all responsible adults ought to do.

This article from Hebrew University of Jerusalem regarding an Arab-Israeli professor matches what I witnessed living in Israel and as a student at Hebrew University (I'm American, by the way). There was not a lot of social mixed even though the dorm floors were mixed. People would say hello and make small talk in the common kitchen, but Arabs tended to socialize with Arabs and Israeli Jews with other Israeli Jews and foreign students with other foreign students. There were 2 Druzes (Arabs, but Druze religion and generally pro-State) on our floor. One of them was a good friend of mine and was an officer in the Israeli army. He got along with everyone, but mostly dated Israeli (Jewish) girls and Americans. I lived in Jerusalem, but have visited Haifa many times. It's notoriously mixed as far as Arabs and Jews going to each others businesses (restaurants/stores). In Jerusalem, it's common for Jews to eat at Arab restaurants (particularly in the Old City), but Arabs tend to boycott Jewish businesses unless they have no choice. The idea that it's like South African apartheid is ridiculous unless apartheid was really not what I thought it was. I always thought it meant enforced segregation where mixing was not allowed. Non-whites not allowed in white universities or white hospitals and restaurants. Not allowed to vote either. Certainly this is far from the case in Israel from the personal observations of an American that lived and studied there for 3 years.

They should open up casinos there and legalize prostitution and drugs. The religious path doesn't seem to be working out too much in the holy land.

R115, when people talk about “apartheid,” they are talking, not about the rights of citizens in Israel, but about Israel’s occupation of the West Bank.

R117 OK, but in that case, wouldn't they be Jordanian citizens. They wouldn't vote in Israel. That land is still potentially negotiable. I realize that recent administrations have done things to make that ultimately more difficult, but Israel has uprooted settlements before and returned land in exchange for peace. No one could really expect Israel to make citizens of all of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza! The Jews may as well just pick up and leave as there would be no Jewish State. Literally the ENTIRE Middle East would be Muslim. If all the Muslims could get along (never gonna happen), they could form a single caliphate.

[QUOTE]I’d certainly turn in a relative of mine if they were a mass murderer or a serial killer or had kidnapped multiple people and were keeping them hostage. I don’t really understand the thinking of someone who wouldn’t. If that makes me nasty then nasty I’ll be.

It almost sounds like you were brought up somewhere decent, instead of Long or Staten Islands, where life is treasured and snitches don't wind up in the same landfills as murdered sex workers.

R115 as someone who has never been to Israel, I really appreciate hearing your perspective. I definitely feel that there is oppression of the Palestinians (but I am absolutely not coming anywhere near defending the violence toward innocents, I am in shock and horror still), however, your post creates a lot more context and nuance. Which means it makes my feelings about what Hamas did even bigger if that’s even possible. If what you describe is the real picture, there is *no* defense of what Hamas did, so those who keep defending should not, it’s wrong. In a time like this, I do wish our government would arrest pro-Palestinian protesters as I read that France is doing that. It makes me sick that people are cheering for this, they are completely misinformed, misguided, and actually perverted. The attack is for sure the worst thing I’ve ever witnessed, for sure up there with 9/11.

It is ok for someone to say that there is oppression, but clearly, the other half of the story is that Israel was given no choice. When you behave like an animal, you should not have privileges handed to you — and I’m a bleeding heart liberal. Clearly the average Israeli does not hold resentment toward Palestinians.

R115, when you think about cultural tensions on both sides, would you say you saw that tension? Was it more intense for Palestinians, or is this all strictly the culture of Hamas? Thank you for sharing your experiences.

[quote] the violence toward innocents

By the IDF you mean R120?

[quote] I do wish our government would arrest pro-Palestinian protesters as I read that France is doing that

Unconstitutional and horrifically undemocratic.

[quote] that Israel was given no choice

No that’s incorrect.

[quote] When you behave like an animal

Dehumanizing language.

[quote] and I’m a bleeding heart liberal.

No you’re not.

R120 I think it's fare to say there was some tension. Particularly when there was any "activity" from either side near the border, but we were all university students living together and the tension was more of a feeling than anything else. I've been to the West Bank many times and Gaza only once. As an American that was just visiting those places, and didn't know anyone there, I don't feel that I can honestly give an opinion on how the people living there felt. Definitely at the university, there was no more hostility than there might be between Blacks and whites on a US campus. Never witnessed any aggression on either side. College is a little different there than in the US though. Israeli Jews, as well as all Israeli Druze and some of the Bedouin (both minority Arab groups) don't start university until after the army. Students are older, more mature and some are already married. They are there primarily to get a degrees rather than get political (at least when I was there). That doesn't mean there wasn't the occasional demonstration, but I never saw any violence at all.

[QUOTE]Well of course you do, like you say, you’re an American 😂😂😂

I'd very much like to know your nuanced and superior understanding as a "non-American' in these particular Middle-Eastern "misunderstandings." I am very serious.

I would like to learn and understand your perspectives against me, as an American, without knowing my religious, ethnic, racial or even political backgrounds that sympathized with Palestinians.

I guess I'm a cartoon figure. Good for you, then, if so.

[quote]I for one, in any conflict from personal to international, have never felt the slightest twinge of sympathy to THOSE WHO BEGAN THE FIGHT. Big nope.

But Israel started the 6 day war, this is just the result of the back and fourth fight for decades. Just keeps getting worse.

These threads have been incredibly useful for identifying, and blocking antisemitic pieces of human garbage.

Jesus R123 it was a joke. You’re not doing anything for the bad sense of humour stereotypes I’ll give you that!!

Jesus R123 it was a joke. You’re not doing anything for the bad sense of humour stereotypes I’ll give you that!!

𝐀𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐂𝐨𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐫 again puts his drama classes to work

Questions:

How did Hamas who have spent years sending crappy missiles over the border pull this attack off without foreign aid?

Why was it so important for the US to deny Iran's involvement from the start?

Why is the last President who LOVED Bibi saying anti-Bibi things suddenly?

I'd guess Russia, aided by all sorts of confidential intelligence sold or stolen from the last administration is behind this.

R14 You don’t think attacking a country with rockets, murdering, raping and kidnapping civilians is not violating international law? I’m tired of people making excuses for atrocities.

I know what you are.

R125 I thought I would be surprised by the number of antisemitic pieces of garbage here but not anymore.

R117 What they are talking about is fantasy.

No, r113, you did not provide anything "measured," in particular no supporting examples (never mind that you do not grasp the relative sizes of Israel and the surrounding Arab states. And yes, I know that Iranians are not Arabs.). Snideness is a tone, not an answer.

So! The name of an American politician with dual US-Israeli citizenship is .......?

I'll eat crow if I have to.

I went to synagogue tonight. We were protected by the local police outside.

R128 is Anderson going to let himself just go bald? Surely with his money he could fix that problem.

But then, he let himself go completely gray, so maybe.

Sorry.... as you were.

Stop being willfully obtuse. Check your damm self ,r133. You're still copying and pasting my response hours later -yet you continue to claim what I said was so insignificant😭🥺😉🥴. I've been on the receiving end of that kind of sociopathy long enough to realize that what you say I'm am -"SnIDnEsS iS A tOnE' 🥴🥱😝is exactly what YOU ARE. Sound familiar? The guys with all the support and weapons are claiming to be the underdogs. Giving suffering people only minutes to leave before bombing their homes into rumble with nowhere to go! If a country has the power and military might to demand that you to leave your home at a moments notice ,then who's really the underdog? Of course you know the answer to that .😉🥴 Again,there are now over 💯 responses to this thread -but you seem troubled and laser focused on my comments-comments you dismiss as trifles. 🥴Pressed much? Maybe,just maybe you think what I've expressed is the complete opposite-thoughtful ,nuanced and free of insults and most importantly -THE TRUTH.😉

Wow, r135. So messy.

^ r136 is the shockingly sloppy mess. It’s early in the morning.

It's such a complicated situation, and people on both sides only tell or know the story from their perspective. I have read on any number of forums over the years, Jews claiming that there were never very many Palestinians living in Israel, and that they weren't called by that name. Well, the Ottoman Turks did conduct censuses of that area when they controlled it, and, lo and behold the majority of people living there prior to WWII were non-Jews. Palestinians will claim that Jews were never in that region, but of course there are historical records of a Jewish presence, at least from Roman times and historians, even if the Bible as a document was not considered a reliable source.

Partitions were a thing in the late 40s and they rarely worked out well. I think 1,000,000 or so died when India was partitioned - at least that is the common figure cited. Generally, people who had lived in an area for generations didn't understand why they were going to be forced to leave, and that is a universal theme that also played out in Palestine.

Zionism in its original concept was not about an exclusive homeland for the Jews, but creating, through steady and increasing emigration from Europe to Palestine, a place where ultimately the majority of inhabitants would be Jewish, thus creating a safe haven from the various types of antisemitism prevalent in Europe. The concept was that Jews would buy land and property as they were made available until gradually they became the largest demographic of the region. As pogroms and persecutions in Europe increased, waves of settlers tried to settle in Palestine, but there weren't always jobs or land available to buy, so many ended up moving to the US and elsewhere.

After WWII and the horrors of the Holocaust, European powers decided to throw their weight behind a Jewish state in Palestine. There was no real input into this process from the non-Jewish residents of Palestine. There was a two or three year period of intensive and very bloody guerilla activity in the area by people like Moshe Dayan, trying to force all Palestinians to move out of the the lands envisioned for the new Jewish state.

As Arabs are related to one another by clan or tribe rather than by national boundaries, there was much opposition throughout the region by Arabs who felt that their kin were being forced to move unfairly. This resulted in a number of wars through the years by Arabs seeking to remove Jews from lands that they felt belonged to them. They lost all of these wars and as a result, Israel gained control of more and more territory. As I see it, the Arabs of the region never made any push to accept Palestinian Arabs as part of their newly created nations, partly because they always felt that those people belonged on their ancestral lands.

Many Jews feel that their nation is their land and even that the territories acquired after the 6-days war is also their land. Historically, Jews really only controlled the areas close to Jerusalem, except for brief expansions, during ancient times, but the British offered northern Israel as well, so they took it. The Palestinians are now in their 4th generation of feeling a lot of grievance and I'm not sure a two-state solution is viable at this point, because neither side will budge from their historical positions. Now there's tremendous amounts of anger and desperation on both sides, and it is very discouraging.

[quote] I went to synagogue tonight. We were protected by the local police outside.

Big deal.

This is America 2023. This is kindergarteners getting shot on their first day of school. These are the bulletproof vests half the country thinks 2nd-grade teachers need.

Do you think this makes you special somehow?

𝐌𝐨𝐬𝐭 (52%) 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐁𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐇𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐬 𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐬

Two-thirds of Americans say the United States should publicly support Israel in the war between Israel and Hamas, according to the latest NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll, but there are wide generational and racial divides on the question.

At this point, more Americans, but not a majority, think Israel's response has been appropriate

Overall, 65% said the U.S. should support Israel publicly. That was true of big majorities of both parties — 77% of Republicans and 69% of Democrats.

Notably, independents were less likely to believe this — 54% thought the U.S. should publicly support Israel, but a third said the U.S. shouldn't say or do anything.

But there are huge age and racial gaps — 78% of those 45 and older think the U.S. should take a publicly pro-Israel stance, but just 48% of those under 45 said so.

Just 48% of Gen Z/millennials said the U.S. should publicly voice support, as compared to 63% of Gen X, 83% of baby boomers and 86% of the Silent/Greatest generation.

Along racial lines, just 51% of nonwhites said the U.S. should take such a public stance supporting Israel, while 72% of whites thought it should.

At this point, more Americans say Israel's response has been about right — 44% said so.

About a quarter said, though, that it's been too much and roughly another quarter said it's been too little.

There's certainly no rally-'round-the-flag effect for Biden at this point.

Americans so far aren't impressed with how the president has handled himself during this war — despite his strong show of public support for Israel coming as two-thirds report saying they want a strong show of public U.S. support.

Biden has arguably taken a stronger pro-Israel stance than nearly any other U.S. president, yet 52% said they disapprove of Biden's handling of this conflict.

R139, A decent summary. The British have much to answer for, frankly.

That said, Israel the nation was granted sovereignty and independence by the United Nations. European Jews had nowhere else to go, and didn't trust the governments of Europe anyway (you will recall that post-war Austria elected a real Nazi as President). But on Day 1, Israel was attacked by 5 Arab states, and it's been a struggle ever since.

Now, if today you were Israeli, would you want a de jure Palestinian State on your border, if a de facto one is going to attack and slay you?

We bombed Japanese civilians, deliberately and precisely, after dropping flyers urging evacuation. We demanded, and got, Unconditional Surrender and a ceasing of Emperor worship. We then occupied Japan militarily and forever forbade her building any armed forces that could attack as before. We conducted War Trials. But not about Hiroshima or Nagasaki; we called those deaths the means to avoid more of ours.

We are now the Leader of the Free World.

It would now be the height of arrogance and hypocrisy for the current US President and government to offer less than 100% support to Israel.

R139/Menluvinguy, thank you for an excellent and fair summaries of contentious issues, here and on the “boarder” thread. These debates are more difficult when people argue from a place of passionate ignorance.

Is R142 actually defending Japan's behavior in WWII? Their war time atrocities were so bad THE GERMANS told them to take it back a notch. What did Japan expect? A fucking tea party. OMG I can't follow my own advice I'm arguing with an Islam apologist who is gay.

“Biden has arguably taken a stronger pro-Israel stance than nearly any other U.S. president, yet 52% said they disapprove of Biden's handling of this conflict.”

Oh ffs, those 52% couldn’t find Israel on a map.

Sorry R142. I misunderstood your post.

The UN is warning that Israel's orderr to move 1 mil ppl is disastrous.

Old news, from days ago R147. Please catch up

Oh my gawd, the tragedy continues. Anderson's hairline is heartbreaking. Tots and pears.

r147 anti-Israel resoluteness are routine at the UN. Nobody pays any attention to them but they amuse Third World ambassadors living it up in New York.

Since 2015, the General Assembly has adopted 140 resolutions criticizing Israel. Over the same period, it has passed 68 resolutions against all other countries,

- resoluteness

+ resolutions

Pray for peace.

There are "Kidnapped" flyers for Israeli citizens on the trees of my street in West Hollywood. It's so odd to see them here.

On NPR yesterday, they had interviewed an Palestinian woman who said she made it to the South only because she was one of the rare few that had a car. She mentioned it could be "tens of kilometers" for some people to walk, so some people chose to stay home.

Why can't a ceasefire happen?

How many Palestinians does Israel need to kill to feel satisfied?

Because Israel want to commit a genocide R154. They’ve now killed over 600 Palestinian children.

Jake Tapper (who happens to be Jewish) thinks Israel's actions are inhumane. I think we should listen to Jake.

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Some people are tearing down those flyers, r153.

And here, r153:

Israel should at least provide transportation for these people if it expects them to move on such short notice.

What a difference a week makes.

r160 You people realise this is a warzone right? I'm not sure the IDF turning up with 50,000 taxis and asking Hamas to not shoot for a while while they help old Mrs Fatimah and her grandkid's move south is an available option even if they wanted to.

[quote] What a difference a week makes.

The anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian terrorist “attitude” that some people have hasn’t changed at all. Those people just had to curtail their hatred a tiny bit in the immediate aftermath of the attack on Israel and the irrefutable evidence of what Israel has to constantly defend itself against. After a week, the anti-Israel folk are feeling more emboldened to peddle their hate and propaganda.

Well if they want to control them why not put them in Sderot temporarily? There's no room in Gaza for 1 million people to relocate on 24 hours notice.

[quote] Israel should at least provide transportation for these people

Israel would need to invade and capture the territory to do this. You warmonger.

r164 If they refuse to move south how do you think they'll feel about deportation into Israel proper? What Palestinian in their right mind is going to willingly walk into Israel at this point given the current situation?

Lots of people bashing Gaza but they respect reproductive rights there -- they have abortion clinics in Gaza. Very modern, very enlightened.

Well, that is just a flat out lie, R167.

American Independent voters are possibly the dumbest people on the planet.

Did anybody try uber?

Israel today announced it had killed two top Hamas commanders in a wave of airstrikes on the terror group.

Ali Qadi was arrested by Israel in 2005 for the kidnapping and murder of civilians before being released into the Gaza Strip as part of the 2011 Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange.

Israel's Air Force said he had led the 'Nukhba' commando force which gunned down Israeli civilians last Saturday. Officials revealed a black and white video of a massive explosion engulfing a Hamas base where he was said to be located.

Earlier today, the IDF confirmed it had also killed Murad Abu Murad, the leader of Hamas' air forces. They said he played a key part overseeing the attacks last Saturday which saw terrorists descend on civilian targets in Israel using hang gliders.

Confirming his death on Twitter, the Israeli Air Force said: 'During the last day, fighter jets of the Air Force attacked the operational headquarters of the terrorist organisation Hamas, from where the organisation's aerial activities were managed.

'During the attack, Murad Abu Murad, the head of the air formation in Gaza City who took a large part and directed terrorists in the murderous attack on Saturday, was killed.'

Yeah, okay, r167. Any more fantasies you'd care to share with the class?

R172 Sounds like large parts of America. Can we bomb them too?

R124, Facile, facile, facile. It was a case of---unlike on October 6th---getting the intelligence right and on time. It was strike before struck.

A cursory Google would have informed you better.

Key phrase from linked article: "...Egypt began preparing for an attack....when the Israelis learned of it."

R173, Straw, and stupid, Man. Try reading the lie to which I responded.

r173 Odd point to make on DL since if the elder gay house of representatives did a vote Florida and Texas would probably look like Dresden after Bomber Harris was done with it.

Gaza has abortion clinics, the Israelis are committing genocide against them and their population has risen by 0.5 million in 10 years.

Palestinian men are so horny!

God 🙏 I hope he made it out alive 😩

R172 I assumed that R167 was being sarcastic. Maybe I was wrong, but I still don't believe he was being serious.

R177 is in Grade 6.

Great news on the two terrorists R171. Much deserved and well done.

[QUOTE]But if it theoretical sexism you are worried about I could get behind asylum for men who provide material assistance in taking out Hamas.

Elderlez, for crying out loud, you're calling sexism by Hamas or Islamic extremist, militant terrorists "theoretical?" Goodness, if only empiricism could come up with thousands upon thousands of examples to the *exact* opposite. What has happened to your critical thinking skills?!

Jewish space lasers 😂

2 women attended the London Palestine festival today with photos of parachutes on their backs.

R183 As the kids said in my day...cool!

Not paragliders? Fail.

But are severly lacking when it comes to human rights, R167. Not surprised they have abortion rights but shitty human rights; as Muslims like to brag, "we love death more than life." Obviously.

Do they have Uber?

All the Jews want is a place on earth the size of New Jersey in which they have a long history and can be safe, yet the still have to fight for it.

R184 and that pretty much tells you all you need to know about Palestinians.

R190 one of the women was black African, not Middle Eastern

R183, those lasers are on the ground, not from outer space you silly nitwit.

[quote]All the Jews want is a place on earth the size of New Jersey in which they have a long history and can be safe, yet the still have to fight for it.

Ironically, New Jersey has one of the largest Jewish neighborhoods in the US.

But, but, but r184, I was told that absolutely nobody, ever, anywhere in the world supports Hamas or terrorism of any kind, nope, not ever.

Weird. They must be part of some Skydiving Club for Palestinian Babies.

R194, What? There are plenty of Hamas supporters outside of the Middle East. Nobody , ever, anywhere "told" you otherwise.

It's your post that is "weird." Don't quit your day job.

Is Israel now going to occupy Gaza as a military state? They never learn.

R174 Nope. The U.S. asked Israel to use Diplomacy. As usual, Israel doesn't do diplomacy. They attacked.

Israelis blame gov’t for Hamas massacre, say Netanyahu must resign - poll

"An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership".

Israelis are also pissed because Netanyahoo didn't even acknowledge the attack for three days.

The Pentagon has sent another aircraft carrier to the region. Hi Iran, we can see you.

R140 Lets go back to 1981. On the Jewish High Holidays we had bomb sniffing dogs go through the sanctuary.

When have Methodists, Lutherans or Presbyterians done this? I’ll wait. Idiot.

R182 MY theoretical sexism for only specifying female relatives for asylum.

Everyone knows Hamas are misogynist pigs.

Can we all just take a deep breath and refrain from the flummoxing?

Wasn't elderlez the one who said that it was nothing to move 1.1 million people because some Americans walked to their homes after the 9/11 attacks or some unhinged garbage like that R182? And that's on top of the constant stream of incorrect information she posts in these Israel threads and then is corrected by other posters who are actually educated people and have taken the time to make sure they know what they're talking about in a time of volatile crisis. Where I come, what elderlez does on DL is termed "talking out of your arse".

Then there was the other moron (meninloveguy) who likened moving the 1.1 million Palestinian people to a NYC gay pride parade crowd because there were about the same amount of spectators and they were able to walk around freely in NYC with no problems at all so it should be easy for the civilians of Gaza to do the same.

JFC.

[quote]Why can't a ceasefire happen?

Because Hamas won't release the 150 innocent people (including infants) that they've kidnapped. They don't want to help the Palestinians who elected them as leaders.

And yet people are wearing paraglider stickers on their clothes today in London to celebrate the sadists who kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians in Israel this week, and who are now causing their own people to suffer the consequences of Israel defending itself.

I am extremely embarrassed by the fringier elements of the left, and their embrace of, and support for terrorism, and slaughter. I am definitely well left of center, and I don't support the idea of the mass killing of Palestinian civilians who are also victims of Hamas, but celebrating the bloodiest pogrom since the Holocaust is revolting, and they should be ashamed of themselves.

I would add that wearing a paraglider sticker to show support for Hamas is akin to wearing a decal of an airplane crashing into a building in the days after 9/11. Disgusting, and likely would have gotten them beaten, or worse, in late September of '01.

They should just slap on the swastika that they really want to be wearing, instead of the paraglider. Of course, some of them actually are. Link to follow, since it is from the Daily Mail

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Eight hours ago: "Hamas is forcefully preventing their civilians from relocating to southern Gaza for their own safety."

R197, Nope. The US, under LBJ, wanted everyone to engage in diplomacy, but made clear our support of Israel. LBJ had his hands full with Vietnam and wanted no further American involvement anywhere.

However, Egypt had blockaded a key supply route while arming itself to attack Israel. And that's all she wrote.

As for your disingenuous "Israel doesn't do diplomacy," obviously history and facts show this twaddle for what it is.

My questions to the DL Wit Bros (Half, Dim, and Nit) criticizing Israel:

Was Israel bombing Gaza on October 5? How about October 4? Were Gazans told to evacuate post-haste on October 3? Second, maybe? Why not?

Those Gazan hospitals: was Israel preventing them from accessing electricity and supplies on October 6, even?

Gee, what do you think could have prompted a change in circumstances? I'm flummoxed!

Hah R209 courtesy of the good old IDF.

No R211 but 200 odd Palestinians had been killed in 2023 up until that point including a bunch of children.

[quote] Because Hamas won't release the 150 innocent people (including infants) that they've kidnapped.

I don’t think they’re too concerned about their own tbh R205, they’ve killed 37 of them already through shelling. The families of the kidnapped are protesting outside the Israel war headquarters.

Sustained machine gun fire and some tank rounds heard on the live cams, ground invasion must have begun.

[quote]R212 Hah [R209] courtesy of the good old IDF.

Do you think our Secretary of State is lying?

I hate all this so much - but Hamas blocking the evacuation that Israel asked for should help, when it comes to P.R. for Israel (beyond the recent attack, hostage taking, and apparent brutality).

I still think both sides have behaved abhorrently but this puts more blame on Hamas than on Israel, at least in my mind. And yes, they should have asked for the evacuation before 'any' attacks, but I heard they were giving at least some warnings (some of the time) before attacking residential buildings (which they had always done?)

Hamas sucks. Netanyahu sucks. Get new leadership for both Palestine and Israel!

Apparently the invasion is called off due to torrential rain. At this point I'm not sure if the Israeli plan isn't just to starve them into submission. It'd certainty cost less Israeli lives but I can't see the Western governments that have so far backed them to the hilt standing for weeks of news about famine ridden Palestinians.

The IDF has released the name of the Hamas leader they believe is responsible for last weekend's horrific and barbaric Hamas terrorist attack.

It is Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in Gaza. He was imprisoned in Israel for terrorism but released in 2011 with 1000 other prisoners in exchange for Gilad Shalit - an Israeli soldier.

Sinwar is now a dead man walking.

I dont understand how Hamas cant just blend in with the crowd and move south for a while and then return. Why would they stay and fight for a city that is half rubble at this point when they can regroup and reload to fight another day. You know the old saying don't bring a gun to a knife fight? Well they know they are totally out gunned once the invasion starts.

Yes although it would cost less Israeli lives - there's absolutely no way Western governments will allow the Palestinian people to slowly die from dehydration, starvation and disease R217.

An awful lot of Americans fail to understand that the world is more than just the demands of the USA. There is also no way the Arab world would be ok with that either even though they generally ignore the Palestinians. If that happens Iran and other Arab nations will be forced to get involved and then the entire tinder box region would explode as the US and allies would be forced to also become involved.

[quote]Apparently the invasion is called off due to torrential rain. At this point I'm not sure if the Israeli plan isn't just to starve them into submission. It'd certainty cost less Israeli lives but I can't see the Western governments that have so far backed them to the hilt standing for weeks of news about famine ridden Palestinians.

Well at least they'll have water.

I think THIS TIME when the other Arab countries start their protesting, they really need to be called out repeatably and relentlessly until it's a real discussion to put their money where their mouth is and take in the million or more Palestinians they say they are so concerned about. This always comes up but everyone just lets it slide after it's mention a couple of times.

They want it both ways and talk out of both sides of their mouths and that needs to stop. Or at least be as relenting as they are with their hatred of Jews.

So ethnic cleansing?

Starting with you, hopefully, r223.

What are they going to do with all that concrete? Seems like every building is that material of choice.

Perhaps they should build bomb shelters, for the people I mean, not just the Hamas leadership.

Maybe they should leave Israel alone, r226. That's cheaper.

R222 Found an interesting response from a Lebanese person in r/IsraelPalestine to the question of why more Palestinians haven't just left Gaza in the last 50 years for one of their neighboring Arab countries if they were being forced to live in such unfavorable conditions:

"Lebanese here.

Palestinians came into our country and brought nothing but suffering to themselves and us Lebanese.

The PLO, a Palestinian militant group, which was created in Jordan and tried to assassinate the Jordanian king twice, eventually was banished from the aforementioned country and lay false claim to Lebanon as a hub for it's anti Israel operations.

The PLO was solely responsible for the escalation of the Christian/Muslim civil war. They started provoking Christians, killing us and eventually led to the massacre of many innocent lives on both sides.

War is complex, refugee crises are not a matter of simple Samaritan sentiment, and often than not the refugees living in subhuman conditions end up hurting the local population.

I hope this answers your question with regards to Palestinians living in neighboring countries."

It is often forgotten that the West Bank was once part of Jordan. Israel tried to give it back to them at one point, and the King declined because they didn't want the Palestinians. Their Arab counterparts don’t trust them so why should Israel?

The other Arab countries do not in actuality sympathize with the “Palestinian Plight” (if you will) or even want anything to do them, they just equally hate and want the annihilation of Israel. It’s kind of a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ kind of deal.

[quote] I am extremely embarrassed by the fringier elements of the left, and their embrace of, and support for terrorism, and slaughter.

In case you haven't noticed the 𝘧𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘪𝘦𝘳 𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘦𝘧𝘵 increasingly are becoming the mainstream of the left.

I am hanging on on the left like grim death, and will continue to voice my beliefs to the Democratic Party, which I have belonged to since I was 18. I won't be driven out of it, even by wackos cheering on antisemitic slaughter. The fringe on the right is pushing the edges of the right further as well, which means the center isn't moving as much as that cartoon would like you to believe.

I'll take moderate Democrat over moderate Republican any day.

"I'll take any Democrat over any Republican any day. "

FIFY.

IMHO the fringe was way fringier in the 60s. (Speaking only regards to the United States)

Ilhan Omer is tweeting photos of dead Syrian kids passing them off as Palestinians.

If only the left cared about the 300,000 deaths in Syria in the last 10 years as a result of the war. Maybe if we pretended Jews were killing them it would get some attention.

Trump pulled our troops from the Syrian, don’t go blaming the left.

The photos Omer is sharing are Obama era. Muslim leaders were allowed to kill muslims with impunity while leftists called for peace, refusing to accept that armed conflict was often the only route to peace.

But years later they cry over the photos because they think the children were killed by Israelis.

This is her tweet

GW President condemns student 'celebration of terrorism' after 'vigil' for Hamas 'martyrs'

" I not only condemn terrorism, but I also abhor the celebration of terrorism and attempts to perpetuate rhetoric or imagery that glorifies acts of violence. Such messages do not speak on behalf of me, our administrators, or GW.

The school’s chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), however, quickly issued a counterstatement condemning Granberg.

“How dare you, Ellen Granberg,” the post read. “How dare you call our mourning a ‘celebration of terrorism.’ How dare you slander the name of our martyrs as terrorists.”

GWU’s chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) announced on its Instagram page Tuesday that it would be holding the “Vigil for the Martyrs of Palestine” that evening.

“Join us today at 7:00 pm in Kogan Plaza for a vigil in honor of our martyrs. We grieve them and we uplift the struggle for liberation that they made the ultimate sacrifice for,” the post read.

“May their memories continue to light the fire of resistance and guide us on the path towards liberation and return,” the post continued, also instructing students to bring “[p]osters, flowers, flags, etc. and a mask or keffiyeh to cover [their faces] with.”

At the vigil itself, students gathered in a circle surrounding a Palestinian flag and protest signs. One student in the center of the circle read out the names of deceased Palestinian “martyrs.” All of the protesters then erupted into chants of “𝒇𝒓𝒐𝒎 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒓𝒊𝒗𝒆𝒓 𝒕𝒐 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒔𝒆𝒂, 𝑷𝒂𝒍𝒆𝒔𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒆 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒃𝒆 𝒇𝒓𝒆𝒆,”

Iran takes the opportunity to rattle some sabers:

"There is an opportunity for Israel to make amends in the coming hours. If not, the resistance will enhance its strategies and change the map of the region."

[quote] How dare you, Ellen Granberg,” the post read. “How dare you call our mourning a ‘celebration of terrorism

This will be in Schumer's campaign commercials when he is next up for election

R219, it’s asymmetric warfare. In a battle of overwhelming firepower vs. knives, the knives have a tendency to win. The U.S. is the most powerful military force in the world, and we’ve racked up failure after failure against inferior forces. Or look at Russia: it thought it would cruise to Kyiv in a few days, and now it’s whole economy has been reconfigured to support the war, and no one knows when it might end.

[quote] IMHO the fringe was way fringier in the 60s. (Speaking only regards to the United States)

On the left maybe. On the right, it's pretty much Nazi on the far right, and that is moving more and more toward the center right.

Agreed R242! Just talking about the left in response to that silly cartoon.

Peshawar, Pakistan:

A viral video on social media shows a rally in Pakistan in support of Palestine. The video depicts protesters tearing an Israeli flag with their teeth. The crowd is large, and some individuals are seen snatching and consuming parts of the flag.

In the video, one person requests a knife to cut the flag, but others opt to tear it with their teeth.

Israel could easily destroy Iran.

I think it's time for a cease fire so things can calm down.

The Palestinians are trying to push their own headless children story. The IDF hasn't even started the ground incursion yet. WTF

I have a suspicion that Israel will ignore the UN, and demonstrators in Pakistan, and hemming and hawing by various officials, and the usual round of fuckwads gotta fuckwad and just do what it's going to do.

R247, some IDF forces have already made short incursions into Gaza. That’s apparently how they found the amazingly detailed plans Hamas had drawn up in preparation for the October 7 assault. But that beheaded babies thing is just too much. And the war has barely started.

Sky News tried to discredit the decapitated babies story a few days ago. Now they're reporting that 80% of bodies found had been tortured.

Bodies decapitated, 2 piles of 10 children each, tied and burned to death.

And Reuters have said Israelis had their arms and feet cut off, as well as being raped.

This is going to escalate, I can feel it. Soon it will become regional if people don't calm the fuck down.

Blinken says Israel has turned the water back on in Gaza.

80% of bodies found had been tortured.

Bodies decapitated, 2 piles of 10 children each, tied and burned to death.

YAYYY, Torture Team now have Golden Tickets to heaven. And Allah won't kick you out if you lick the wallpaper

Yeah, this is why, Hamas just needs extermination. Nothing less. No restraint and dealing and well, can we just sort of not, is going to work in this situation. Extermination of Hamas. Yes, there will be deaths of innocent Palestinians, already are, but that won't change the ultimate goal: extermination of every Hamas member possible in the short term. For leaders, an extermination order that will never, ever end.

Netanyahu kept Hamas alive in Gaza so that he could weaken the Palestinian Authority (which accepts the existence of Israel), so that he could claim that he had no one on the Palestinian side to negotiate with. He, and his government, looked the other way while Hamas received arms and funding from other countries.

This was utter stupidity and negligence.

Fuck off 256

Sky news has not verified this independently. This Yossi Landau person isn't IDF. He's a volunteer who's been ramping up the atrocity level every time he's interviewed.

[quote]Sky News tried to discredit the decapitated babies story a few days ago. Now they're reporting that 80% of bodies found had been tortured.

Sky news is reporting what one guy said. Do you people know how to read news reports?

Is anyone else increasingly unsure what Israel's plan is? Until today I assumed it was turn off the utilities and bomb the place to soften it up then send in the IDF to kill Hamas soldiers and anyone who fights back and cover yourself from any human rights resulting from the inevitable civilian casualty claims by saying "well we told them to leave the combat zone". They could have probably managed that until about the last 48 hours as the collective Western governments had agreed to look the other way

But there's still 600,000 people in Northern Gaza they're not going to get them all to leave willingly, Hamas still has who knows how many hostages alive, even the US is now urging the situation to calm down, and Netanyahu a man whose entire image (never mind only chance to cling to power) is dependent on him drop kicking the ever loving shit out of Hamas and Gaza keeps postponing the deadline. Last night because of flooding in Tel Aviv.

Fair enough if they don't want to waste the IDF in a brutal meatgrinder fight but after the last 9 days I don't see any military climbdown or negotiation for Israel that sends a strong enough message to its neighbours and satisfies angry Israelis at this point.

From the Reuters article:

The military personnel overseeing the identification process didn't present any forensic evidence in the form of pictures or medical records.

If anyone has the stomach for it, someone has put together an exhaustively researched archive of all the currently (publically?) available photo and video evidence of the Oct 7th massacre in a 63-page google doc. I did not click on any of the links (only viewed the attached photos, which are all adult civilians) as I feared those would be the children and babies. But even if you only view the attached photos, it is unlike anything I've ever seen, carnage wise. I mean this shit rivals Jonestown. So...trigger warning of all trigger warnings.

R262 And what makes you think we should trust this unsourced link provided by an anonymous poster, dear?

DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT THE JEW TELLS YOU BECAUSE THE JEW LIES!

Thank you, Henry Ford. Now can you get back to being dead? Thanks, hon.

“And what makes you think we should trust this unsourced link provided by an anonymous poster, dear?”

You trust us and we do less sourcing.

Well, I suppose you could just read the ample background provided in the document detailing the assembly of the images and decide for yourself whether it seems sufficient enough for you to overlook the filthy, lying, jew rats overseeing the project, R262.

*R263 ^

R267 I'm afraid you sound not quite in control of yourself. Does this mysterious document cast some kind of spell? All the more reason to ask for a source before viewing, don't you agree?

Nah. It’s ok to read it now r269.

Come on, go on and tell me that this is collateral damage and not a genocide. What a monstrosity.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office told CNN Sunday Israel has restored water to southern Gaza, but the director of the Palestinian Water Authority said he could not be sure it was true, because electricity has not been restored.

“I cannot confirm this at the moment because our water stations in Khan Younis, Gaza City, and central Gaza are not in a condition to receive and distribute water to the people,” Munther Shublaq, the director of the Water Authority in Gaza, told CNN.

“To enable the stations to receive and distribute water, we need electricity, which is currently cut off. The alternative is fuel to power the generator, which we also do not have. There may be pressure to restore the water supply, but I cannot confirm anything until the stations are ready.”

US national security adviser Jake Sullivan shared the development with CNN earlier Sunday. “I can tell you this morning that I have been in touch with my Israeli counterparts just within the last hour who report to me that they have in fact turned the water pipe back on in Southern Gaza,” Sullivan told CNN.

R271 you're a perfect audience for propaganda. That was Hamas' doing.

Well, get on with it Israel, Jesus!

Miss Lindz on attack.

Is Graham the POTUS now?

Pretty much the wrong deity there, r274.

R275, Lindsey Graham ought to be sent to a mental institution, because he is insane. Does he think that a war against a nuclear power like Iran and its allies Russia and China, will allow the US to preserve its military and economic hegemony in the world? This man's stupidity and lack of elementary human decency are truly baffling and can only be explained in one way: he is a dangerous sociopath who belongs in the looney bin.

And that's putting it nicely, r278.

[quote]Lindsey Graham ought to be sent to a mental institution, because he is insane. Does he think that a war against a nuclear power like Iran and its allies Russia and China, will allow the US to preserve its military and economic hegemony in the world?

He thinks war will be a bonanza for the arms manufacturers who fund his campaigns and offshore money shelters.

Twitter is a dangerous place to browse at the moment. I just accidentally watched a video of an ambulance filled with seriously injured people where bystanders knocked on their window and then handed a baby through the window who had been shot in the forehead to the front passenger seat medic. It showed them making their way to the hospital and it was horrifying. The medic cried all the way to the end of the video with the dead baby flopping around in his arms. It has really affected me. I'm not going to link it.

And now let’s take a mini-break and enjoy Israel’s 1995 Eurovision entry “Amen.” I love the “I hate you, bitch” look the Catherine Zeta-Jones lookalike back-up singer gives the lead singer. And that male back-up singer with the dark hair has invaded my dreams with that bossy power bottom attitude of his. I hope they all survived last Saturday.

Lindsay is old and doesn’t give a fuck anymore. Some people just want to see the world burn.

This translation is from Ukrainian via Google:

[quote]"Cover! Cover!": Evidence that Russian-speaking instructors within the terrorist organization "Hamas" gave orders and coordinated the actions of militants and mercenaries on the first day of the attack on Israel on October 7, 2023

[quote]At 9 seconds of the video, the Russian language can be heard very clearly.

I dont hear Russians in that video, sounds like propaganda. Why would a Russian get his hands dirty with actual on the ground attack when he could just get other people to risk their lives for him?

The real question is what is the purpose of that propaganda? To start a war between Russia and the US? Not taking that bait.

Doesn't look like a reputable link R284. I wouldn't have posted it.

However, Russia is heavily involved in destabilising other Arab countries like Syria etc. I guess that if it one day comes out then I wouldn't be surprised if Russia helped Hamas. Russia is all over the world working to destabilise everything.

Lindsey praises Biden and criticizes Trump.

Well, that's something you don't see every day. Graham criticizing Dump.

Obviously Israel's real plan is to level the entire Gaza strip.

Why are Palestinian women, on average, so much uglier than Palestinian men? They’re the same people.

Agreed R289. If there is anything/anyone left then Israel want to change the Gaza governance to the Palestinian Authority. I don't know if that's good or bad.

When you wear a black sheet over your head most of the day R290, the looks tend to go.

Biden warns Israel:

Its honestly a shame annexing Gaza and giving up the equivalent amount of land to the west bank for resettlement isn't an option because even before the war this entire enclave of an open air prison with over 2 million people and a burning hatred of Israel seemed completely untenable. Now its also unlivable.

[quote]Twitter is a dangerous place to browse at the moment. I just accidentally watched a video of an ambulance filled with seriously injured people where bystanders knocked on their window and then handed a baby through the window who had been shot in the forehead to the front passenger seat medic. It showed them making their way to the hospital and it was horrifying. The medic cried all the way to the end of the video with the dead baby flopping around in his arms. It has really affected me. I'm not going to link it.

Every mention of the atrocities committed by Hamas has been met with "WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE" and "DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE ISRAEL" and "ONLY ONE PERSON CONFIRMED THAT" and "THAT HASN'T BEEN VERIFIED" by a mix of Hamas sympathisers and literal Nazis.

Including the ponce on here who puts ,dear a the end of his dismissals.

It's not surprising the video footage is now being shared.

One of the Hamas fighters had a body worn camera that was retrieved from his corpse. I've not watched the other videos released from it but the one that captures him being shot and dying was incredibly satisfying to watch. Sadly it was a quick death.

This whole situation just goes to show how much damage Islam does to a society. They are like stunted retards. In contrast, after WWII, the surviving Jews, many of whom lost all their money and homes and property, moved on with their lives, and many went on to do great things. They didn’t spend the next 60 years setting off bombs across Germany and Eastern Europe.

[quote]One of the Hamas fighters had a body worn camera that was retrieved from his corpse. I've not watched the other videos released from it but the one that captures him being shot and dying was incredibly satisfying to watch. Sadly it was a quick death.

I just saw the Hamas terrorist body camera footage on the evening news R295. It also showed him going through houses and shooting into other houses. Disgusting. Very satisfying that someone shot him dead. It was more than he deserved. Every single Hamas terrorist needs to be be caught and dealt with however Israel see fit. I looked it up and Israel has the death penalty law (but not used since the 1940s) so any Hamas terrorists they don't kill in the ground invasion should be dealt with that way.

But just one important thing to clarify - the baby handed through the ambulance window was in Gaza. And I later found out he wasn't the ambulance medic it was a journalist and photographer Motaz Azaiza riding in the passenger seat of the ambulance. The baby had a large red mark in the middle of its forehead so I assumed but I don't know if it was a gunshot wound or shrapnel or a bombing. I don't know. I was so horrified I couldn't watch it again to be certain. I have cried several times about it since. Everywhere there is blood and death. There are no winners. I am so deeply sad and horrified about all the meaningless, pointless waste of life of the Israeli and Palestinian people. But not the Hamas terrorists.

I realise it's not the response you were probably hoping for sorry.

This was it. I checked and Motaz Azaiza is a credible journalist and photographer with millions of followers. His Instagram account is horrifying but also beautiful photography and I never want to see it again. The video is real and from Gaza yesterday:

Queers for Palestine!

^^ the men are stunted, not sure about the women.

Just saw a video of Hamas executing two young female IDF soldiers who had been wounded.

THEY DIDN'T RAPE THEM BEFORE KILLING THEM, THIS SHOWS HAMAS RESPECTS HUMAN RIGHTS

Sorry Gaza. Don't start none won't be none.

I know four people in Israel I care about very much. I have not properly slept in a week from worrying and nightmares.

But I do feel like Israel has a messaging/execution issue.

Like: Don't just turn off the water and electricity in Gaza. Say, "Release all hostages without conditions by X time on Y date, or we will turn off your water."

Otherwise it's all just feeding into a great big morass of victimization.

Zelensky *must* step down.

Pearl clutchers need to calm down. This is totally normal. This will go on for about another week and then quiet down and they will do this all over again in 4 or 5 years.

Israel will ruin Hamas for good this time. FAFO, I guess.

R297, for somebody so traumatized thanks for sharing that image.

WTF were you thinking? Some of us make conscious decisions not to see things like that. Some of us can grasp the enormity of this mess without war porn.

You're a fucking thoughtless idiot to post that - to impose it - on other people. I'd ask for an apology but if the idea could get through your thick skull I couldn't read it because I've blocked you for that. I couldn't care less what you have to say about anything, you thoughtless, heedless, bottom trawling moron.

One thing I'm tiring of is media pushing the envelope. I don't need to see explicit images of people dying. This was happening before the last week but the Israel/Gaza is like the lottery. I don't know what they're thinking. A mainstream newspaper I follow posted that infamous picture of the bullet-riddled baby last week. To its credit it gave you the option of clicking. But how long ago would it have been impossible to even consider doing such a thing? Not that long.

Small wonder things are so bad, everywhere. We're so inured, so cheap about human dignity now.

Just re-watched the movie "Fury," starring Brad Pitt (superb here). That, my friends, is how the instigating enemy is dealt with.

[quote]open air prison.

Propagandists want to call Gaza an “open air” prison, but now that Israel is going to level Gaza and actually make it “open air”, they object to that even though it will help to make their statements slightly true.

If things are this bad now, imagine the next 10 years or so after all the youth in Gaza come of age. Shit won't be pretty will tens of thousands of young men with nothing going for them.

[quote] Does he think that a war against a nuclear power like Iran and its allies Russia and China,

We thought datalounge adored tugging Russia's nuclear tail

[quote]open air prison

Just like all of Iran. Or Yemen. Or Sudan. Or Saudi Arabia. Or....

[quote]Zelensky *must* step down.

Why?

[quote]One thing I'm tiring of is media pushing the envelope. I don't need to see explicit images of people dying.

It's disturbing. However, there seems to be a directed campaign to strew doubt about reports of atrocities committed by Hamas terrorists. On the first day on Twitter, I saw multiple tweets questioning whether there as [italic]really[/italic] any evidence of rape, as though Israeli propagandists had invented that issue to besmirch Hamas. You will probably have seen questions about whether babies were actually beheaded, because, apparently, evidence toddlers in their car seats having been shot is just not horrific enough to satisfy some people. And some people are alleging a photo of a charred body is artificial, even though some Hamas terrorists were thoughtful enough to upload images of themselves torching residences. It seems obvious that would result in charred corpses, but still: outrage! So, more horrible images, videos, and audio evidence will be uploaded, because some Hamas apologists will not quit.

[quote]It's disturbing. However, there seems to be a directed campaign to strew doubt about reports of atrocities committed by Hamas terrorists

Indeed.

Meatball Ron Deathsantis declares all Gazans to be anti-semitic:

Biden to travel to Israel in next day or two.

Boy oh boy. What could possibly go wrong?

It's quite strange seeing self confessed American Nazi Jackson Hinkle (no relation to Dottie) being promoted by Corbyn supporters in the UK.

Hinkle has seamlessly gone from promoting unconditional support for Russia in Ukraine to unconditional support for Hamas, including pushing any narrative that discredits Israel.

We need to fight the messenging war HARD. Nazis everywhere right now.

[QUOTE] Boy oh boy. What could possibly go wrong?

Entire situation is a gigantic shitshow. Maybe bigger than COVID.

[QUOTE] We need to fight the messenging war HARD. Nazis everywhere right now.

First we need to know what the heck your are talking about, since your post is so vague.

FWIW I see nothing confirming Biden is going to Israel. I can't see why he would. The implications are enormous if there was any kind of attack while he's in the country, by either Hamas or Hezbollah (or who else, for that matter?) I can't believe it will happen. Maybe he'd meet somewhere neutral with Netanyahu.

Watching the debate in the House of Commons and the crank left and muslims are teaming up with far right MPs like Crispin Blunt (Emily's uncle)

One Muslim MP talked about the murder of the 6 year old boy in Chicago. Nothing about dead Israelis, dead British citizens. This MP represents Manchester, where a Muslim terrorists murdered 22 people and injured 800.

And another Corbynite Labour MP just stood up to ask Rishi Sunak why he hasn't spoken to a British woman who has a relative being held hostage. No condemnation of Hamas, just criticising the PM because he hasn't had time to make a phone call.

[quote] Nazis everywhere right now.

They never went away

The UN project in Palestine tweeted then deleted a report of Hamas stealing fuel and medical equipment from them.

[quote] A popular Arab Muslim TikTok influencer posted a video of him coming across a “Queers for Palestine” group at the London Palestine rally today. He expresses disgust and mockery of them. Gaza’s sharia governance under Hamas criminalizes male same-sex activity, like most Muslim societies.

𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐬 𝐇𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐬 !

Viral video seemingly shows captured Hamas terrorists being subjected to a novel form of torture – a “Baby Shark”-style children’s song being played in a loop for eight hours.

The purported prisoners are seen blindfolded and bound as they sit on the ground amid the blaring strains of “Mamtera Im Matara,” which translates to “Sprinkler With A Target,” the Israeli news site Walla reported.

One of the blindfolded men is seen bopping his head to the repetitive music as a woman’s voice can be heard saying, “Look how happy he is” and “check this guy out.”

The song is by Manny Mamtera, 40, whose real last name is Tzukerl — and he has approved it being used to torture the jihadists, according to Walla.

“I don’t know if it’s real or not, but the song is called ‘Mamtera Im Mamtera’ and we are all targets, so let’s go,” the singer reportedly wrote of the clip.

Gods anger used to be a lot more impressive. That's not even a foot of water

^ I guess Raghead Rhonda figured out how to use a phone.

R310, Then they, too, will have to be eradicated.

If there is one true thing on God's green Earth, it is that Jews in general and Israelis in particular will die fighting before any enemy controls them ever again.

And the world that disbelieved them, that turned them away from safe havens, that allowed their genocide, can just KTJA.

r329 I can't stop picturing the long divinely slaughtered souls of Sodom and Gomorrah, or Pharaohs Egypt seeing this and weeping "No! Not the gentle rain oh Lord!"

In fairness, it's been awhile since DeMille was in charge.

R328 I was 100% expecting that to be an onion article.

But they have proved themselves to be fully on the "fling the Jews into the sea" train.

Please note how some Hamas apologists use the term "settler." One protestor, in London IIRC, said that no settlers were civilians. With reference to Israel, I use the term settler to describe people in settlements in the West Bank. But this woman and others are talking about Israelis living in an area that has been considered part of Israel since 1949.

The Hamas charter has a section about eradicating Israel. Iran's leaders talk about eradicating Israel. It's not a metaphor. They mean it.

Palestinian children's shows had had segments with children being coached to talk about Jews being apes and needing to kill Jews. When Israelis have complained, they were told not to take it seriously. This is where it leads. Palestinians in Gaza have been taught since childhood that Jews are "lesser." And we just saw that teaching manifest.

Not to be a sap, but as a Jew, DL has literally been the only place I've felt emotionally safe to read comments this week. Trust me, I'm as surprised as anyone to utter those words.

I've had to cut myself off from all other forms of social media because I've taken just about as much as I can of seeing the world cheer on the worst pogrom since WW2.

R335 No kidding. Check out this video from a Palestinian day school in East Jerusalem. It's chilling.

(the translation has been confirmed by arabic speakers)

How can a Palestinian in London refer to Jew in Israel as a settler un-ironically? The mind boggles.

The Israeli government went hard after the model Gigi Hadid. Is she not currently dating La Cooper? Link below. You'll understand why.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

r340 You get to be a model with a face like that these days?

Don't ask me. It seems she's struggling to be a human.

Settlers are violent fanatics.

Israel is a terrorist state.

Since occupying the West Bank in 1967, Israel has misappropriated more than 2 million dunams of land there for its own purposes, including building and expanding settlements and paving roads for settlers. Some areas have been officially taken over by the state, others through daily acts of settler violence. These two seemingly unrelated tracks are both forms of state violence: the Israeli apartheid regime and its representatives actively aid and abet the settlers’ violence as part of a strategy to cement the takeover of Palestinian land.

The thing I can’t get over is that, time and time again, Palestinians and pro-Palestinians are asked what they think of the attacks against Israel. Not one that I have seen expresses regret for the loss of life of the torture. Each pivots almost immediately to talk about how this is to be expected.

Israelis seem split, with some genuinely conflicted over the plight of Gazans. Others are predictably vindictive.

I understand the use of the term in regards to the West Bank settlers. The West Bank is not Israel proper. Please re-read R335 about the use of the word to describe all Israelis.

Speaking of anti-Semitic meme, surprisingly The Guardian quashed one

Guardian cartoonist Steve Bell revealed that his newspaper “effectively sacked” him after it refused to publish a work of his that it feared peddled in “anti-semitic tropes.”

Bell, a renowned figure and no stranger to controversy, worked for the newspaper for 42 years and said that the decision was “a bit of a shock.”

The image in question depicts Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wearing boxing gloves and conducting surgery on his own body, marked with an incision resembling the Gaza Strip. Accompanying this illustration is a caption that urged Gaza residents to evacuate, reminiscent of Israel’s instructions that residents move south in anticipation of an impending ground invasion.

Critics drew parallels between this imagery and Shylock, the contentious Jewish moneylender from playwright William Shakespeare’s The Merchant of Venice, who collected on debts no matter how much it pained the debtor, insisting on his “pound of flesh.”

For what it's worth, most Israelis think the settlers are foul people and absolutely out of their minds. They view them the way we do fringe MAGA lunatics here.

One of the saddest things is that just about everyone who Hamas attacked on the 7th from the music festival or kibbutzim would have been lefty peaceniks types who were not only sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, but actively advocated for them.

[quote] Palestinians in Gaza have been taught since childhood that Jews are "lesser." And we just saw that teaching manifest.

And how do you think 'God's chosen people' view the palestinians R335? I mean we've seen Israeli government officials refer to palestinians as cockroaches and plenty of commenters here refer to them as 'animals' or 'dogs'.

[quote] I've had to cut myself off from all other forms of social media because I've taken just about as much as I can of seeing the world cheer on the worst pogrom since WW2.

R336 girl get a fucking grip, almost every single country in the west has pledged almost unconditional support for Israel.

[quote] How can a Palestinian in London refer to Jew in Israel as a settler un-ironically?

Go google the difference between settler occupation and a refugee babe. Let us know what you turn up.

[quote] The thing I can’t get over is that, time and time again, Palestinians and pro-Palestinians are asked what they think of the attacks against Israel. Not one that I have seen expresses regret for the loss of life of the torture. Each pivots almost immediately to talk about how this is to be expected.

This is entirely untrue. On the contrary, show me one Israeli representative that has been interviewed that has shown regret or apologized for the almost 3000 murdered palestinians (a quarter of those children).

Wow, the insanity of not recognizing that many if not most Israeli Jews were/are refugees or descended from refugees who fled to Israel is extraordinary.

Bibi is a horrible person, the West Bank Settlements are awful. Individual Israelis, some of them in the government, do just terrible and completely unnecessary things like messing with Augusta Victoria Hospital’s tax exempt status.

But when you say nonsense like Jews don’t qualify as refugees, you’ve lost any claim to the moral high ground.

R349 Are you seriously expecting a spokesperson of the IDF to get on TV and publicly apologize for military strategies while Hamas still has over 100 hostages in tow? Yeah, THAT'S how you get a terrorist group to take you seriously.

I have heard PLENTY of Israeli civilians express sympathy for Gazans both before the war and since it's started, some of them even family members and loved ones of Hamas victims.

Here's an interview with a refreshingly sensitive (and hot) IDF soldier.

R349 = dark minge lord

Owen Jones wants everyone to know that it isn’t a death sentence in Gaza for being gay. It’s just 10 years in prison, so there’s no reason we shouldn’t embrace them.

[quote]There isn't the death penalty for homosexuality in Gaza. It's a prison sentence of up to 10 years

Owen Jones of the Guardian is a moral midget. And a literal midget as well.

Well that would explain a lot if true R352.

[quote]And how do you think 'God's chosen people' view the palestinians

If Israelis were taught in school that Arabs were cockroaches, we would have heard all about it. Individual Israelis presumably think that. No Israeli government official should say that ever, and I wish they wouldn't think it, though they're only human. But Palestinian children are inculcated in the inferiority of Jews and the need to kill them. That is not the same as individuals thinking that. We have seen the results. Hamas terrorists proudly posted videos of themselves beating, killing, tormenting, and kidnapping Israelis.

By the way, "chosen" people are chosen to follow God's laws. It's a duty.

The Jewish kids murdered at the music festival were all PRO Palestinian freedom. Many of the people living in the Kibbutzim were peace activists who protested routinely against Netanyahu and his policies. They were idealists, not racists.

[quote] I bet he has a man bun or a pony tail.

I was close. The professor, Ameer Hasan Loggins has his man bun on his chin.

Think of Palestine as the nation version of Britney Spears. Some people are just too crazy, stupid, or infantile (or a combination of all three) to have their freedom.

R351 well if you’re expecting any Palestinian representative to get on TV and apologize for the actions of Hamas then why wouldn’t you expect the opposite from the IDF?

And I’ve seen a bunch of interviews with Palestinian representatives where they have expressed remorse for the deaths of Israeli citizens, that was my point.

Two British citizens identified, aged 16 and 13. Their mother was murdered.

[quote] By the way, "chosen" people are chosen to follow God's laws. It's a duty.

wtf is this? I thought this was a gay website? We have commenters invoking ‘god’s law’ as if that’s a thing?

Dear Owen got a couple of bitchslaps:

"If there isn’t enough to deal with, now Israel has homophobic bombs"

"You are so far down the rabbit hole you’re defending supporting a country that punishes homosexuality with 10 yrs in prison as “well it’s not actually death”. Keep digging trying to justify an untenable position."

My mother is Israeli and I still have a lot of family there. My aunt's first husband was an Arab Israeli, and our closest family friends (that we even lived with for a stretch when I was in high school) were Muslim. My grandmother was a Zionist for sure, but I never heard her speak a bad word about Palestinians (now, Germans, that's another story...). My Israeli family are all leftists and talked shit on Bibi and the settlers incessantly. Over 20% of Israel is comprised of Arabs, and from what I could see when I'd visit, Israeli Jews and Arabs befriended each other and dated each other at about the same rate as people have interracial relationships in the US. Jews do not hate [Gazan] Palestinians, but they do fear them sometimes. Most Gazans however have a burning hatred for Jews.

[quote] Jews do not hate [Gazan] Palestinians, but they do fear them sometimes. Most Gazans however have a burning hatred for Jews.

Source - “take my word for it”

[quote]wtf is this? I thought this was a gay website? We have commenters invoking ‘god’s law’ as if that’s a thing?

We have a poster using the term "chosen people" sarcastically, which is common in anti-semites. Since it's a religious term, I explained the meaning a bit. I do not expect anyone here to become a believer.

R365 Got me there. I mean, I AM a Jew (so I'm probably lying).

In any religious context, the proper term is “chosen sheeple.”

Just block 365 and the Hamas enthusiast disappears from the thread.

I wonder if it was a DLer who killed that boy in Chicago for being Muslim? This place is a hate machine these days.

R366 that was me and I wasn’t using it sarcastically. I was saying they believe themselves to be chosen people, which implies a pecking order of superiority, which in turn allows them to look at others as inferior. That’s just some social context.

R367 I wasn’t saying you were lying I was just pointing out the lack of proof in what you were saying. You were putting forth your opinion as fact, which it isn’t sorry!

R371 And how exactly would you like me to "prove" my experience to you? Should I call my elderly mother and ask her to mail you copies of her papers?

Could someone explain to me why we are supposed to hate R365? That person's point is correct.

R372 no disrespect but you do realize you sound like Rhonda Deathsantis right now?

Wasn't it all supposed to go to hell Sunday, 10/15?

I thought some biblical-scale retribution was going to take place?

Not that I want that to happen, but it was being parroted everywhere that yesterday was the day the chickens were coming home to roost.

I don't understand why Israel hasn't gone in yet? They must be heeding Biden's warning to stand down.

Because R365 doesn't even realize how antisemitic their impulses are (like how "Jews think themselves superior to everyone else"). And that his first response to a Jew sharing their experience is that they're lying.

I think Netanyahu has received a ton of shit for bombing Gaza relentlessly as well as shutting off the water and electricity.

But DeSantis is correct; Palestinian refugees, by and large, are anti-Semitic. I wouldn't want them in Florida either.

Grated that it's from the ADL, but still, here's survey results on Palestinian anti-Semitism.

My theory on why they haven’t gone in yet is that they are stalling to try and first make headway on the hostages. I also believe the US is advocating to stall until something shifts on hostages too, stalling is a good thing right now. For example, the water got turned back on in the south.

For the “God’s chosen people” poster….as someone who came from the faith world, I do not believe everyone holds that the way you think. For many, that phrase means they are called to a mission of bringing peace and kindness and compassion, no excuses. I sure just as many interpret it the way you are, but you shouldn’t assume that your interpretation is the only one.

R372 no I believe your account of how relations are within Israel between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis and find it quite interesting, and worthwhile as far as anecdotal evidence goes, but i take issue with your last sentence because it’s not offered with any personal experience. You just said “Most Gazans however have a burning hatred for Jews” without showing any reason why this opinion of yours should be taken seriously. This is the part I have an issue with, because you’ve written it in declarative form, when it is just an opinion, and you haven’t offered any experience of why this would be true.

R377 I never said they were lying, I’m just calling out how it’s not contextualized with any significant standard of proof, sorry you can’t comprehend the difference! Wow you gals will play the anti-semitism card any chance you get. Idk if you’re even Jewish or not, but if not it’s not really for you to invoke x.

Israel should just off the electricity and water, blockade all food, and forget about them.

I'm not sure why protesters around the world are calling on Israel to show restraint without demanding that Hamas release the hostages. I feel as though they are punching up and that's all some of these edgelord types seem to do.

[quote] For the “God’s chosen people” poster….as someone who came from the faith world, I do not believe everyone holds that the way you think.

Good point R381 it was a little simplistic of me. It really is such a complicated situation.

[quote] I think Netanyahu has received a ton of shit for bombing Gaza relentlessly as well as shutting off the water and electricity.

Israel always receive a "ton of shit" for objecting when it is attacked.

Little Owen Jones is now arguing that Palestine inherited their anti gay laws from the UK.

And an Islamist in Belgium has murdered 2 Swedish tourists.

Lots of countries, including Israel, inherited anti hay laws. Israel, along with the UK and countries, have changed those prejudiced laws, so what's Palestine's issue?

In fairness, it's one of the big allergens.

From the Mail: Breaking - Two dead in Brussels gun rampage: Man claiming to be ISIS member avenging stabbing murder of US-Palestinian boy, 6, opens fire on group wearing Swedish football shirts ahead of Euro 2024 qualifier - then goes on the run

The shooter will go to heaven. Allāhu ʾakbar

[quote]wtf is this? I thought this was a gay website? We have commenters invoking ‘god’s law’ as if that’s a thing?

About 40% of LGBT adults ages 18 to 34 are religious, as are 51.1% of those ages 35 to 49, 55.8% of those ages 50 to 64, and 64.9% of those ages 65 and up.

Over 70% of Black LGBT adults are religious—either moderately (39.3%) or highly (31.7%) religious.

Over half (54.1%) of LGBT adults in the south are religious—including those who are moderately (31.0%) or highly (23.1%) religious.

R391, those are the same people that HATE Pete Buttigieg and use race calling him whity, mayo, Milk toast, to cover for their religious homophobia.

Oh, that sounds credible.

There you go

Milk toast.

Oh dear.

Sorry to everyone and particularly to R306.

As soon as I'd posted it I knew I shouldn't have. If DL had an edit I would remove my post.

:( :( :(

London is now the most anti gay part of the UK, due to the numbers of Muslim and African Christians living there.

Well, there goes the neighborhood, r397.

I don’t think Jews being God’s chosen people makes them “superior”. History has shown that it doesn’t prevent tragedy from befalling them.

That's because there is no god, r399

[quote] About 40% of LGBT adults ages 18 to 34 are religious, as are 51.1% of those ages 35 to 49, 55.8% of those ages 50 to 64, and 64.9% of those ages 65 and up.

Percentage probably goes up higher on the death bed, except with the most obstinate.

I’m pretty sure the US is warning Israel to back off or no more billions to waste from us every year. If dump were potus, Gaza would be leveled by now. But that’s what the majority of DL wants, right?

[quote]Percentage probably goes up higher on the death bed, except with the most obstinate.

Well, that will be all the obstinate DLers.

R402, most people can distinguish between Palestine and Hamas. Even if it's a fairly fine distinction.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R402 Waste? The majority of aid the US sends to Israel is contractually obligated to be spent on US contractors. As we can see by recent events, Israel requires a defense, as their neighbors are firing rockets, murdering civilians, raping and kidnapping their citizens.

What is actually “wasteful” is the billions sent to Palestinians and they still cannot provide their own utilities. Guess what their aid is being spent on?

The perp for killing those Swedish soccer guys.

Better pictures of him on the Daily Mail plus video he made boasting of his action. But I can't post that becauise of the dumbass block.

There’s a reason that the non European world was so easily colonized, and it ain’t because they’re smart. If you think I’m out of line for saying this, then ask yourself why most of Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Latin America is a cluster.

R381 Have a look at the video at R377

Years ago, I did an internship at Voice of America, which provided news to third world shitholes. For years afterwards, I followed Voice of America on Facebook because I had worked there. The vast majority of their viewers, it seems, were Arabs and Africans, because they were the two groups of people who commented the most on news stories. I cannot emphasize enough how mind numbingly stupid these people are. Every single comment to every news story was God this, God that, that earthquake was caused by the gays, and women having sex out of wedlock, God is going to punish the homosexuals, blah blah blah. There’s a reason that their countries are absolute fetid shitholes. They are barely functional enough to even be considered human.

Estimations of the average Greenwich IQ of Arab countries are mainly between 80 and 85.

Breakdown of Scores on an IQ Scale

1 to 24: Profound mental disability.

25 to 39: Severe mental disability.

40 to 54: Moderate mental disability.

55 to 69: Mild mental disability.

70 to 84: Borderline mental disability.

85 to 114: Average intelligence.

115 to 129: Above average or bright.

130 to 144: Moderately gifted.

Third world countries tend to be quite superstitious R410. So they point the finger at anyone who is "abnormal" or a group they don't like.

What R371 is basically saying (about Jews) is that's the way "they are". He probably knows a bunch of Jews and they all think they're superior and are money grubbers. There actually is a lot of antisemitism on this tread. (You know how us Jews always claim that)

The US wants to send a cruise ship to Israel to evacuate Americans.

R411 I have read before that there’s a ton of inbreeding that goes on in the Islamic world. This actually makes perfect sense, because that part of the world is still very tribal, and they want to keep marriages within the tribe. Quite often, kids are married off to cousins. I read an article once that analyze the situation, and stated that the inbreeding is basically the reason why that part of the world is so violent and backward. Even within the UK, a huge portion of the Muslim population is inbred.

[quote] The US wants to send a cruise ship to Israel to evacuate Americans.

Better late than never

R415 I have to admit we Jews share that same tendency. My great great grandmother had the same last name as her MIL and it wasn't a common last name. I'm sure they were cousins. Lots of endogamy which is why we carry several genetic diseases at high rates. It's still quite common to marry cousins in religious families.

Sicilians marry cousins too. It’s common with lots of groups. I read this book back when it first came out and found it fascinating. I don’t know how it would hold up now.

[quote] The majority of aid the US sends to Israel is contractually obligated to be spent on US contractors.

Total lie. U.S. aid to Israel is a blank check.

You fanatics just make shit up in your sleep.

R419 Something from the left. I know it's 7 years old, but it's a 10 year obligation

R419 Something from the right too.

R413, I’m right there with you, though I will say there is an almost equal level of disgusting racism against Palestinians on this thread, the bigotry is almost equal, and it’s all ugly. Talking about low IQ’s and fucking “inbreeding”? Go take a fucking anthropology class and maybe throw in some sociology while you’re at it. Also, history.

Anything that is a blanket negative generalization of an entire group of human beings is disgusting. I’m sooooo sorry you don’t comprehend how poverty and lack of education affect attitudes, behaviors, and beliefs. A lack of education does not change the worth or dignity of a life. Now I don’t like ignorance anymore than anybody else, but we have to focus on solutions, not stirring up even more hatred which will inevitably lead to more murder and destruction. Connect the dots.

What was done in Israel is a massacre. A massacre!!! Massacring human beings is always wrong, I don’t CARE what was done first, killing people is wrong. Through this crisis, I am now learning a lot more about the Middle East, and I plan to keep learning. I encourage you all to do the same — just stay committed to learning more. I am so grateful to all the Jewish people who are doing such an amazing job of educating people.

R384, maybe you’re right that it was simplistic (what you posted), but I also think many many people think the same way, so it’s actually healthy for us all to talk about it together, especially when someone is open to learning which you clearly are. I do think what you said is also true of all the monotheistic religions, many interpretations mean the believers see themselves as “above”. But those who are truly taught well, and who understand humility and wisdom, know that being chosen is actually a *responsibility”, it is a calling to live for something bigger than yourself. Actually, now that I think about it? It’s similar to American exceptionalism. At its most base, the most ignorant think America is “above”, but true patriots understand correctly that the real meaning is we are *called* to live according to higher principles, such as freedom, liberty, and justice for ALL. As we’ve seen with America, patriotism can be a beautiful thing, it very very ugly when twisted. Religion (to me) is the same.

Give it a rest, R22. These "peaceful" people support a terrorist regime and would throw you off a roof at the first sight of you.

but they would graciously imprison you for 10 years first!

[quote] Massacring human beings is always wrong,

Really? Universities are being told massacres of Jews are “exhilarating” and “energizing.”

And they aren't done.

The crowd then chanted, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a common rallying call for pro-Palestinian advocates to eradicate Israel and establish their own state.

[QUOTE] There’s a reason that the non European world was so easily colonized, and it ain’t because they’re smart. If you think I’m out of line for saying this, then ask yourself why most of Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Latin America is a cluster.

Liberals would say that colonization caused all the problems these countries face.

R426 As I learned last week, liberals are idiots with their heads up their ass and supporting terrorists (except for us at center left).

Harvard and other far left Ivy League colleges are set to lose hundreds of millions of dollars of donations for their anti-Semitic stance. Ha ha!

R422 I agree. Bitches here need to calm down with the "Arab IQ" bullshit. Just waiting for someone to break out the craniometry.

[quote] I’m sooooo sorry you don’t comprehend how poverty and lack of education affect attitudes, behaviors, and beliefs

R422 While I certainly don't hold it against Palestinian children for being uneducated or poor, at some point a nation has to take responsibility for failing to provide a decent education for their populace. Or worse, denying an education to those who want it. It's no different than the scores of American fundamentalist christians and conservatives who live in ignorance. Zero sympathy.

It is so interesting to watch this unfold here on DL. Most of the posters on here are extremely liberal, to the point that they practically believe that anyone who even tolerates a conservative should be executed by firing squad. Traditionally, part of liberal values is pushing back against antisemitism, but now here we go once again. The extreme far left batshit crazy wackos have taken over, and now they’ve decided to side with backward 7th century people who want to kill Jews.

And this is where it starts to get REALLY interesting. DL posters who still have some semblance of sanity, are now having to post links to conservative news outlets to get the right point across.

R 431, I consider myself pretty darn liberal but I am not sympathetic to Hamas or Gaza and I know that most of those people would have me beheaded if they could because of who I am.

I am decidedly pro-Israel in this situation.

R411 R415 These stats are from a study that was just published in April (Source; National Library of Medicine).

[quote] Consanguineous marriage (CM), or relative marriage, is defined as a relationship between two blood-related partners who are second cousins or more closely related. CM is a worldwide practice; however, its prevalence is associated with different factors, such as ethnicity and religion. Approximately 20% of the world’s population is estimated to be involved in a relationship with biological relatives; intrafamilial unions are a very common mode of relationship in North African, Middle Eastern, and West Asian countries [1]. In Western and European countries, the prevalence of CM does not exceed 0.5%, whereas, in India, the prevalence is 9.9%. In Arab Gulf countries and Pakistan, where the majority of inhabitants are Muslims, the prevalence of CM ranges between 40% and 60% [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10]. In Saudi Arabia, although the prevalence of CM ranges between 42% and 67%, different cities vary in the estimated prevalence. In cities such as Mecca, Madinah, and Riyadh, the prevalence ranges between 40% and 67%, whereas in Albaha, in 2005 the prevalence was 42%, which is the lowest in comparison to other cities in Saudi Arabia.

I think a lot of the tradition started way back when in order to keep wealth within families.

[quote]Most of the posters on here are extremely liberal, to the point that they practically believe that anyone who even tolerates a conservative should be executed by firing squad.

Sure, Jan.

Yay Blinken and Uncle Joe!

𝐓𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐲 𝐋𝐞𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐞 𝐌𝐜𝐃𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥𝐝'𝐬 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥𝐢 𝐥𝐨𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐝 𝐈𝐃𝐅

Protesters in Lebanon “destroyed” a local McDonald’s restaurant, according to a social media post — after McDonald’s locations in Israel announced they were donating thousands of meals to the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli hospitals and residents amid the nation’s expanding war with Gaza.

A post on X, formerly Twitter, featured a video of an unruly crowd outside a McDonald’s in Sidon, Lebanon, home to Hezbollah, an Iran-backed terror group which has voiced support for the attacks by Hamas on Israel that left more than 1,200 dead, including women and children.

“People did not appreciate this PR move by an international corporation and destroyed one of the McDonald’s outlets,” the user captioned the clip, which showed dozens of people waving Palestinian flags were pushing to get into the restaurant.

Calls for a McDonald’s boycott are spreading throughout the Middle East. “Dear Pakistan, Let’s BOYCOTT McDonald’s. Spread as much as you can,” one user wrote.

The extent of damage to the Lebanese burger joint wasn’t immediately clear.

The mob appeared to have missed the fact that McDonald’s locations in Israel are owned and operated by McDonald’s Israel, a local franchisee, as opposed to Chicago-based McDonald’s.

Indeed, McDonald’s franchisees in four Arab states — the United Arab Emirates, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Oman — announced their support of the Palestinians. In addition, the fast-food chain’s franchisee in Turkey announced a “humanitarian aid” of $1 million “to the people of Gaza who are victims of war, especially women, children and the elderly.”

The violent footage emerged after McDonald’s Israel posted on its Instagram story that it “donated and continues to donate tens of thousands of meals to IDF units, the police, hospitals, residents around the Strip and all rescue forces,” according to Business Insider.

“We continue donating thousands of meals daily to our forces across the country. In addition to a 50% discount to soldiers and security forces who come to our branches,” the franchisee added.

McDonald’s Israel said in another post that it opened five restaurants solely for the purpose of providing 4,000 daily meals to locals and the IDF, which consist of an army, navy and air force, per Insider.

It also shared photos of McDonald’s workers preparing meals and packages to be delivered to a military base in Southern Israel, cars loaded with McDonald’s meals and hospital workers receiving the food delivery, Insider reported.

From The Atlantic:

What Hamas Wants: The straightforward explanation that the experts missed by Yair Rosenberg.

[quote]The two previous studies of an IQ for Palestine summarized in the introduction gave estimates of 86 and 83.3. The two estimates are in close agreement and were averaged to 84.6 by Meisenberg and Lynn (2011) and Lynn and Vanhanen (2012). The present result gives an IQ of 85 for Palestine and is in close agreement with the results of the two previous studies.

100% fact based. Refreshingly so.

The Atlantic article's ending:

In 1922, The New York Times published its first article about Adolf Hitler. The reporter, Cyril Brown, was aware of his subject’s anti-Jewish animus, but he wasn’t buying it. “Several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded,” Brown wrote, “and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers.”

Two years later, the Times published another news item on the future architect of the Holocaust: “Hitler Tamed by Prison.” The Austrian activist, the piece said, “looked a much sadder and wiser man,” and “his behavior during his imprisonment convinced the authorities that [he] was no longer to be feared.”

Many got Hamas wrong. But they shouldn’t have. Again and again, people say they intend to murder Jews. And yet, century after century, the world produces new, tortuous justifications for why anti-Jewish bigots don’t really mean what they say—even though they do.

[quote]The two previous studies of an IQ for Palestine summarized in the introduction gave estimates of 86 and 83.3.

I wonder if they have lead in the water. The Palestinians having a below average IQ could help explain why they have kept turning down the best offers they could get regarding peace.

R441 Regarding heavy metal poisoning, there could very well be some truth to that. Basically, Gazans have been pumping an enormous amount of raw sewage, pesticides, and insecticides into the waters they fish from for a number of years, which not only pollutes the sea life they fish and consume, but also has seeped into the soil groundwater.

Source: 'Study on heavy metal pollution in Gaza fishing harbour along the Mediterranean Sea-Gaza beach, Palestine' Journal of Aquatic Science and Marine Biology, Volume 1, Issue 1, 2018, PP 24-34

"The seawater and sediments quality in the fishing harbour along the coast of Gaza in the Mediterranean sea is highly polluted from untreated sewage of about 17 sewage outfalls discharging into the coastal waters more than 100,000m³/day (personal communication with Palestinian Water Authority and Gaza Municipality). The input of the sewage into the sea causes a number of deterioration effects on aquatic life; including phytoplankton, zooplankton, and crustaceans, macro-algae and fish species. The main causes of these disturbs are: biodegradable organics, refractory organics, dissolved in-organics, heavy metals, suspended solids, pathogens, nutrients, pesticides and the insecticides being used intensively in agriculture and some small-scale industries (MEnA, 2001). "

"The dissolved substances such as heavy metals in the seawater along Gaza coast and fishing harbour area may pose a threat not only to the marine ecosystem but also to the groundwater quality and may be dangerous to the humans by causing unpredictable human diseases. Consequently, the food chain of marine ecosystem of Gaza is may affected from several unknown factors. "

[quote] Basically, Gazans have been pumping an enormous amount of raw sewage, pesticides, and insecticides

Gaza was only a tiny portion of the larger studies

R443 Who else was implicated in the sewage output?

^ *Er, input?

So I know this is probably exceedingly difficult information to verify right now, especially considering it's Hamas officials responsible for reporting the Palestinian casualty figures (a far from reliable source), but have there been any distinctions made in the number of civilian deaths vs those of Hamas militants within Gaza? Also, are the 1,500 militants that were shot down by the IDF in Israel being counted towards the current Palestinian death toll?

I don't click links to random idiots posting their brain droppings on youtube.

R441, it's not the lead.that makes them retarded. It's all the marrying within the family.

R448 very much like Jews.

Right, R449. If Jews are known for one thing, it's being retarded.

Interesting comparison. Even if several years out of date the trrend remains.

R419 Enjoy your fantasy life.

“The Israeli government is contractually obligated to expend three-fourths of its military aid on products sold by American defense firms.”

Arabs are really strange. I’ve known a few who were the children of immigrants but grew up in and went to school in North America and they would just tell you crazy shit that their family believed as if it were fact. A lot of them weren’t allowed to date outside their ethnic group and they just went a long with it. They seemed incapable of living ordinary lives.

R453 I’ve heard several of them use the phrase “we believe…….” And then tell some religious belief.

That signifies to me that they can’t think for themselves, or at least the religion has been pounded into them so hard that they are terrified to question any of it.

Yeah it’s so bizarre. They’re like the borg

Very much like your Christians

Waxy-faced〝Ameer Hasan〞Loggins at R358 looks just like one of those creative Smithsonian renditions of a caveman or iceman based on some skeleton scientists found in the melting tundra!

R456 I find it amusing when Islamic apologists try to excuse Muslim atrocities by mentioning Christian fanatics that blow up abortion clinics. Yes, that does happen, but on a MUCH smaller scale than what Muslims do, and it doesn’t even compare.

There was an interesting comment under the video you posted R439. About LGBT people:

So it looks like Hamas indicated it MIGHT release the Americans since they are not the ones they wanted to kill and just go swept up in the hostage net. Smart move since it would put America in a spot where it would have less excuses on the global stage to go in as a second invading force. How pissed will Israel be if this happens but they keep everyone else? How long before they turn and start blaming America as only in it for their own benefit?

R460 They are 100% just saying this now in an attempt to drive a wedge between Israel and its allies. It won't work.

The 13 year old British girl has been confirmed dead. They thought she might be alive as her phone signal was found in Gaza, but no, they stole her phone and left her body in a condition that was not easily recognisable.

CT scans can also help investigators. Kugel showed journalists an image of one burned and almost unidentifiable collection of bones collected from a saferoom in one kibbutz, then a scan of those remains.

In it, two spines and two sets of ribs were visible, one smaller than the other, which he said told a painful story of their deaths. “This is an adult with a child. They are sitting together and hugging,” Kugel said.

The scans can also offer clues as to the cause of death. If there are no metal fragments, they were probably killed by fires. With some less damaged bodies found in burned buildings, soot in the trachea showed that victims were alive when a fire was set and probably died of smoke inhalation, Kugel said. He wants families to know that victims would have died from smoke inhalation before flames reached their bodies.

R452 Clearly it's R419 that is the "fanatic that makes shit up in his sleep". Lord knows (figuratively, I don't actually believe in anyone's mythology) the far left would call that scenario "corporate welfare" if it didn't involve Israel. Israel is far from given a "blank check" and that's an objective fact.

When I read about horrible and brutal murders like the ugly old man near Chicago that stabbed that young Palestinian boy 26 times, I don't understand how someone could do that. What kind of hate can you have that you could literally look at an innocent child and do that? While casualties of war can end up with dead children on both sides too, it's much more personal when it's intentionally directed and malicious like with that boy and with children in the kibbutz in Israel. Hamas seems to have a large group that is like that evil man near Chicago.

No matter what, this is going to cost the US billions and we'll have to take in God knows how many refugees.

False equivalence, r465. We have little evidence of the Chicago man's character other than his mug shot and the sparse details of the incident. He looks deranged, though, and the reports that his previous interactions with the kid were well intentioned and kind suggest he has undergone some kind of recent psychological break.

By contrast, we have overwhelming evidence that Hamas's Jew-hatred is long-standing, and culturally inculcated and nurtured from birth. It’s in Hamas's founding charter to eliminate Israel and Jews from Israel's territory. The charter makes no exceptions for minors in its injunction to eliminate Jews.

Hard to get more explicitly antisemitic than that. It shouldn’t be a mystery. Hamas hasn’t hidden it, other than pretend to be governing Gaza, while secretly siphoning off resources and planning a massacre of Jewish civilians.

LOL a batshit crank former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan has been arrested in the UK after tweeting support for Hamas.

Murray was previously sent to prison for publishing details of the women who alleged Alex Salmond had assaulted them, breaching their right to anonymity.

Murray is a fan of Julian Assange, backs Russia and Iran and naturally Jeremy Corbyn.

Can Miss Lindsy be next?

R468, and thank goodness we have the 1st amendment in the US.

[quote] When I read about horrible and brutal murders like the ugly old man near Chicago that stabbed that young Palestinian boy 26 times, I don't understand how someone could do that. What kind of hate can you have that you could literally look at an innocent child and do that?

Reading the news about it, it’s now apparent that the old man was mentally ill, so that was the cause for him. It’s even more terrifying when it’s a parent that butchers their own kid, as we’ve seen so many times.

There was another case of someone defacing ‘Missing’ posters of hostages.

In this case a man was writing Coloniser on posters of the babies taken. Unfortunately for him he defended his actions and was wearing his branded work uniform.

[quote] They are 100% just saying this now in an attempt to drive a wedge between Israel and its allies. It won't work.

It wouldn't work with 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 presidents. However this and the Obama (+ Joe ) administrations repeatedly knuckled under to Islamic blackmail and bluff. The wheel is still turning and I have no idea what number will come up here.

Now is the time to buy oil stocks if you don't own them already. Choose wisely but you need to be in this trade for when the shit hits the fan. And it will.

Attacked at Columbia U for putting up pro-Israel posters

Jesus Christ. Reports indicating Israel murdered 500 by shelling a hospital.

Has Jamie Dimon weighed in on this yet?

We've found the source of the Terror. It's coming from inside the house -- get out now!

It's tradition. Any Islamic terrorist target hit by either US or Israeli weapons suddenly becomes a hospital, a school, or a wedding.

[quote]Jesus Christ. Reports indicating Israel murdered 500 by shelling a hospital.

If true, this would put Biden's trip to the region in jeopardy, I would think. I imagine Israel will say it's due to a misfired Hamas rocket.

Presuming the next thread will have a significant change to the title? And I’m not talking about it being part 5.

[QUOTE] Reports indicating Israel murdered 500 by shelling a hospital.

That would be a war crime. So that report must be incorrect. Israel would never do that.

Hamas put their headquarters in a hospital basement, making the hospital a military target. I have not yet read the news report, so I don't if it's that particular hospital. But hitting a military target is not a war crime. That's why, in the United States, at least, we do not store weapons in schools or put military offices in civilian hospitals.

Maybe we could wait to see some, oh what do you call it - evidence? Before we take the say so if Hamas, the people who plotted out and executed an attack on an elementary school.

R475, here are NYU students tearing down posters about hostages.

Regarding Hamas targeting schools:

R476, the Gazan Health Ministry is Hamas, and Hamas have been firing rockets into Israel from the same area as the hospital.

With all the recording and monitoring it will be quite easy to see if it was an air strike of a Hamas missile.

One video being shared shows it looked like a missile misfiring from within Gaza, But we will see.

If the hospital story does not include a Hamas middle falling short and hitting that hospital then this war has just jumped the shark.

I would assume if it was an Israel it was a mistake. They would be insane to have targeted the hospital. Absolutely insane. No matter if Hamas was in the basement or not.

It’s funny, any time a Hamas missile misfires it always seems to hit a hospital or school or massive civilian target. Saves the Israelis a lot of stress that way. Very convenient.

Well I certainly hope the Daily Mail tracks down those *two* girls, r485!

I am trying to withhold judgement but 500 dead in a hospital is hard to stomach.

I've seen worse.

[quote] They would be insane to have targeted the hospital. Absolutely insane. No matter if Hamas was in the basement or not.

Wouldn't be the first time. Terrorist state Israel is known for targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure all throughout the Occupation. This Human Rights Report is from 2021:

Beyond the closure policy, Israeli authorities have often used oppressive and indiscriminate means during hostilities and protests in Gaza. Since 2008, the Israeli army has launched three large-scale military offensives in Gaza in the context of hostilities with armed Palestinian groups. As described in the report, those offensives have included apparently deliberate attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure and killed well over 2,000 civilians. In addition, Israeli forces have regularly fired on Palestinian demonstrators and others who have approached fences separating Gaza and Israel in circumstances when they did not pose an imminent threat to life, killing 214 demonstrators in 2018 and 2019 alone and maiming thousands. These practices stem from a decades-long pattern of using excessive and vastly disproportionate force to quell protests and disturbances, at great cost to civilians. Despite the frequency of such incidents over the years, Israeli authorities have failed to develop law enforcement tactics that comport with international human rights norms.

Hamas just killed 1500 Israelis, torturing and raping children in front of their parents and burning them alive.

Of course it would store ammunition at hospital sites and fire missiles from there.

[quote] This Human Rights Report is from 2021:

Organizations who claim to be human rights oriented seem always to be interested in the human rights of only one side.

An airstrike against a hospital? That's morally bankrupt.

Denial from the IDF

[quote]From the analysis of the IDF's operational systems, an enemy rocket barrage was carried out towards Israel, which passed in the vicinity of the hospital, when it was hit. According to intelligence information, from a number of sources we have, the GAP organization is responsible for the failed shooting that hit the hospital

Whether Hamas deliberately attacked the hospital to derail peace talks or it was just an accident, social media is now full of stories "Palestinians say Israel bombed hospital killing 500". No demand for verification like the dead babies killed by Hamas.

Sorry, Israel are saying it was Islamic Jihad, not Hamas who set off the missile.

[quote] derail peace talks

The fuck? What peace talks? Who the fuck is such a goddamn moron that he thinks "peace talks" are absolutely anything but farting into a hurricane right now? Honestly, I hope nobody is pretending there are peace talks or that they have the slightest relevance in the middle of a war to exterminate Hamas.

Israel now taking biden's warning to stand down. no ground invasion of gaza.

R488 Hamas missiles are crude, I doubt they could level a hospital.

They shouldn't. Not having a ground invasion will just mean more bombing of Hamas facilities, which will just mean more blowing up of hospitals, etc, because yes, of course that's where Hamas purposely puts their weapons.

Were Hamas apologists always so prevalent on DL or is this new?

[quote]The fuck? What peace talks? Who the fuck is such a goddamn moron that he thinks "peace talks" are absolutely anything but farting into a hurricane right now? Honestly, I hope nobody is pretending there are peace talks or that they have the slightest relevance in the middle of a war to exterminate Hamas.

Peace talks or whatever you want to call them are what has paused ground troops going into Gaza, turning the water back in and allowing Gazans to leave through Egypt.

They've always been here, r503.

What I am mostly shocked by, are the pro-Palestina protests all across the globe, right on the heels of last week's atrocious attacks.

A senior Palestinian official says Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has canceled his participation in a meeting scheduled for tomorrow with US President Joe Biden and other Mideast leaders.

Abbas was scheduled to join Jordan’s King Abdullah II and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi at a summit in Amman, Jordan, where they were set to discuss the latest Israel-Hamas war with Biden.

But the senior official says Abbas is withdrawing to protest an alleged Israeli airstrike on a hospital in Gaza that Hamas health officials say has killed more than 500 people.

The Luvvies couldn't wait any longer !

Tilda Swinton, Steve Coogan and Miriam Margolyes are among a group of more than 2000 artists demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

The group, calling itself, 𝐀𝐫𝐭𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐬 𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐏𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐞, published a petition on Tuesday in which it accused world governments of not just tolerating but “aiding and abetting” what they describe as Israel’s “war crimes” in Gaza.

The activists call on artists globally to lend their voice and support to this cause by adding their names to the letter.

"Jordan’s King Abdullah joins Egypt in blaming Israel for the rocket attack on Baptist Hospital in Gaza City that is believed to have killed hundreds of people.

The IDF has said that Palestinian Islamic Jihad was responsible for firing an errant rocket that struck the hospital, but Abdullah insists in a statement that Israel was behind the “heinous massacre.”"

^^That, from the Times of Israel.

The celebrities signing that letter are the same ones who sign anything relating to Israel. I did notice Sam Heughan in there, the only surprising name.

Goes without saying they couldn't mention the massacres of Israelis and foreign nationals.

The first paragraph from an L.A. Times breaking story:

"An Israeli airstrike Tuesday hit a Gaza City hospital packed with wounded Palestinians and others seeking shelter, killing at least 500 people, the Gaza Health Ministry said. If confirmed, the attack would be by far the deadliest Israeli airstrike in five wars fought since 2008."

[bold]If confirmed?[/bold] Uh, maybe confirm it [italic]before[/italic] you publish. Or, at the very least, start the paragraph with a statement like "An unconfirmed report from the Gaza Health Ministry says..."

R497, according to a reporter on MSNBC, the high death toll is more consistent with the explosion of an Israeli bomb, not a bomb from Islamic Jihad.

The high death toll as reported by Hamas, the terrorist organisation who regularly fire missiles from the area.

What R513 said. The Palestinian groups don't have the weaponry to pull off something like this.

Israel was never going to have a ground war. I said as much in a post a few days ago. Israel doesn't have much success with boots on the ground. The plan, which has been the plan since the country's inception, is for greater Israel. This means expelling the Palestinians from their land. Kill as many as you can in 'clashes' then stop when the world finally protests. Also, blame Palestinians for blowing up their own children as much as you can, until you start to sound insane.

Who would benefit from attacking a hospital? Israel, who insists they do not target civilians? Or Hamas or other terrorist groups, who clearly want to set off World War III? Israel is not perfect, but this is not something I would believe without any evidence.

[quote] The plan, which has been the plan since the country's inception, is for greater Israel. This means expelling the Palestinians from their land.

Well, if the alternative is to let a group of people who wake up every day thinking "gotta kill many, many Jews today" continue to thrive and run the place, I guess that will seem like the better alternative. A ground invasion, decimating Hamas once and for all would actually be better all around, and I hope they choose that. Otherwise, I assume these terrible bombings will just continue indefinitely.

Biden. Should. Not. Go.

All this because of a 6th century psychopathic pedophile and warmonger.

Times of Israel: "Saudi Arabia and Bahrain join Egypt, Jordan and Turkey in blaming Israel for the bombing of the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City, which is believed to have killed hundreds of Palestinians."

Israel is going to find itself isolated again, regardless of whether they were responsible for the hospital bombing.

R488 it's almost as if Palestinian authorities-- particularly Hamas -- don't care about how many of their own civilians they kill as long as they're able to exterminate Jews. Somehow, the neighboring countries are well aware of how bloodthirsty Muslim Palestinians are and refuse to open their borders to them. Funny that.

I'm surprised the Hamas soldiers didn't shoot themselves during the Kibbutz massacre. They are that stupid and disorganized.

I’m sure they have carefully reviewed the forensic data to reach this conclusion. Carefully, but with record speed and accuracy!

R517 when you acknowledge that Israel’s goal is a Palestinian genocide it makes a lot more sense as to why they’d bomb a hospital full of kids.

If Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, etc are so concerned they should offer refuge to Palestinians Muslims.

R522, there were stories that Hamas soldiers killed Israeli soldiers and took their uniforms to then attack unsuspecting civilians. However, some were then killed by other Hamas soldiers who thought they were Israeli.

[quote]Israel is going to find itself isolated again, regardless of whether they were responsible for the hospital bombing.

Thats because when it is their fault, they act like all the others and deny responsibility. Remember when they shot that Reporter? Took them months to fess up and admit they did it and not an accident.

R526 Oy vey.

Bad PR for Jew Inc

R529, people have been lying about Jews for 2000 years. Nothing changes.

Biden drops the ball again regarding Iran.

Biden to land in Israel as he allows the UN's embargo on Iran's ballistic missiles to expire

UN restrictions on Iran's ability to obtain drone and missiles will terminate on Oct. 18

Now it will be easier for Iran to send ballistic missiles to its terror proxy organizations and other nations hostile to the U.S.

The dangerous coincidence of Biden's trip to Israel on the date sanctions expire has not gone unnoticed by the national security community

'It's absolutely unconscionable for the US to let the UN missile embargo on Iran expire this week without working with European allies to snapback all UN sanctions first,' he explained.

'Russia and China can't stop the snapback, so the only reason not to trigger it is to maintain a strategic paradigm of appeasement and accommodation toward the sponsor of this heinous Hamas massacre, Iran,' Goldberg told DailyMail.com.

According to experts, Iran plans to use the loosening of restrictions to better supply its connected terrorist organizations - including Hamas and Hezbollah.

Iran has been developing its growing rocket arsenal over the last decade and is known to have the most diverse in the Middle East over around 3,000 missiles.

The country has the capability to land missiles in Israel and south-eastern Europe. This poses a huge security risk to the U.S. and allies with troops and other assets in the region.

The variety of missiles include close-range CRBMS, short-range SRBMs, and medium-range MRBMs which can hit targets 2,000km - or close to 1,200 miles away.

During a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing in 2022, now-retired U.S. Central Command Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr. warned that Iran's investments in missile development seem to be paying off.

'They have over 3,000 ballistic missiles of various types, some of which can reach Tel Aviv. Over the last five to seven years, they have invested heavily in the ballistic missile program. Their missiles have significantly greater range and significantly enhanced accuracy,' said Gen. McKenzie.

With the expiration of these sanctions, Iran will likely boost its nuclear weapons arsenal and could even send missiles to Russia to aid the country in its war of aggression against Ukraine, which is nearing its two-year mark.

The U.K., France and Germany - European members of the JCPOA - have said that they are keeping sanctions on Iran in place.

Those 'snapback' sanctions would restore the UN's conventional arms embargo against the hostile nation, which terminated in 2020.

It also puts in place restrictions on Iran's work on uranium enrichment as it works to develop nuclear weapons. Iran is not currently known to have yet successfully developed a functional nuclear bomb.

However, those snapback sanctions will terminate in 2025, so the international community only has two years remaining until all restrictions on Iran are lifted.

Former President Donald Trump withdrew the United States from the JCPOA in 2018 because he said it was not hampering Iran's ability to develop its ballistic missile program.

But what if Hamas/Islamic Jihad DID fire a rocket, and Israel intercepted that rocket with Iron Dome and that rocket then fell on the hospital causing a major gas explosion.

Then it would be Israel's fault right?

Defence analysis here:

FF R531 and his Daily FAIL cut and past posts.

We don't click on X here R533. It's garbage propaganda now.

[quote] Defence analysis here:

Thanks, r533. That was good information about what actually happened at the hospital.

r533 Excellent video of the missile interception.

What goes up must come down

[quote] Times of Israel: "Saudi Arabia and Bahrain join Egypt, Jordan and Turkey in blaming Israel for the bombing of the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City, which is believed to have killed hundreds of Palestinians."

In other words, the cunts that rule a bunch of cuntries often brutally would like to go on record pretending to give a shit about killing people in the region. Yeah, thanks, so noted. Now fuck off, cause nobody cares.

𝐘𝐞𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐩𝐫𝐨 𝐇𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐬 𝐝𝐨𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐫

Dr. Abeer N. AbouYabis, who works for Emory Winship Cancer Institute, took to Facebook this week to wish “glory to all resistance fighters” on her account, which has now been made private.

“I needed to say it LOUD,” she wrote in the poetic-style post. “𝑻𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒈𝒐𝒕 𝒘𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒔, 𝒘𝒆 𝒈𝒐𝒕 𝒈𝒍𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒓𝒔 / 𝑮𝒍𝒐𝒓𝒚 𝒕𝒐 𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒊𝒔𝒕𝒂𝒏𝒄𝒆 𝒇𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒔 / Palestine is our demand / No peace for stolen land / Not another nickel, not another dollar / We will pay for Israel slaughter / Not another nickel, not another dime / We will pay for Israel crime.”

She has since been placed on leave from her prestigious position, the institute confirmed to the New York Post.

“We condemn such comments in the strongest possible terms and have immediately placed this individual on administrative leave pending an internal investigation,” spokesperson Laura Diamond told The Post. Abeer N. AbouYabis.

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𝐅𝐚𝐭 𝐕𝐨𝐠𝐮𝐞 𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐨𝐫-𝐚𝐭-𝐥𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐞 𝐆𝐚𝐛𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐚 𝐊𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐟𝐚-𝐉𝐨𝐡𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐰𝐢𝐩𝐞𝐬 𝐣𝐨𝐛 𝐭𝐢𝐭𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐈𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐦 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢-𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐬

Karefa-Johnson — who has styled the likes of Vice President Kamala Harris, singer Selena Gomez, poet Amanda Gorman and her self-proclaimed friend, the model Gigi Hadid — ruffled feathers when she went on a rant on Oct. 8, a day after Hamas terrorist massacred at least 1,300 children, women, men and elderly people in Israel, and captured roughly 200 hostages.

“It’s so disappointing to see the utter lack of understanding of the basic tenets and tactics of colonization, and one’s willingness to justify and defend those systems which have only ever oppressed,” she wrote on her Instagram Stories in response to Israel’s retaliatory airstrikes on Gaza. “Damn. I hate when Instagram shows me what I hope I never know about the people I follow and their horrifying belief systems.”

The stylist, who has also worked for brands like Calvin Klein, Suart Weitzman, Joseph Altuzarra and retailer Target, questioning how people could say “I stand with Israel” while continued strikes hammered Gaza, following Hamas’ refusal to return the hostages.

Karefa-Johnson posted a bitter exchange between her and former French Vogue stylist Celia Azoulay, who told the contributing editor-at-large that she should “show the same compassion with Israeli civilians getting murdered.”

Karefa-Johnson hit back, saying she never denied that Israelis were murdered but that the number of Israelis harmed was “far less” than the number of Palestinians in the retaliation.

She then turned to the IDF, saying that the defense unit has “killed thousands” of Palestinians this year — “not Hamas.”

[quote] “Damn. I hate when Instagram shows me what I hope I never know about the people I follow and their horrifying belief systems.”

yeah, back at ya, bitch.

[QUOTE] Biden. Should. Not. Go.

He needs to be over there. He can tell the Israelis stories about Corn Pop.

The NYT podcast did a pair of episodes interviewing two civilians from Gaza and also one from a kibbutz in Israel. They won’t change anyone’s mind, but might give them some insight into the humanity on both sides.

As an American, I am grateful every day that the majority of our immigrants are Latinos. They are, on the whole, very nice people and very hardworking. They aren’t Muslims trying to blow shit up or shoot random people, or get on welfare like in Europe.

Seriously R543. Conservatives should be lucky they are Catholics at worst. Being stuck with Muslim immigrants sounds like a ticking time bomb.

𝐉𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐚𝐧’𝐬 𝐊𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐀𝐛𝐝𝐮𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐡, 𝐄𝐠𝐲𝐩𝐭’𝐬 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐀𝐛𝐝𝐞𝐥 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐡 𝐄𝐥-𝐒𝐢𝐬𝐢, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐏𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐀𝐮𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐌𝐚𝐡𝐦𝐨𝐮𝐝 𝐀𝐛𝐛𝐚𝐬 snub any meeting with Biden.

What sadder sight then a lost Photo Op?

r545, maybe they will meet with whoever is actually running the White House during this administration.

They bitch slappin Biden left and right!

"You want to talk about Hamas? I KNOW Hamas. They destroyed my Corvette with a rocket back in '69. I barely got out alive. I was a dog face pony soldier in the line of fire"

R544 r545 r546

You know Hamas would gladly kill its own people.

[quote]Presuming the next thread will have a significant change to the title? And I’m not talking about it being part 5.

How about "Hamas apologists masturbate each other senseless for 600 posts, part XX of 3,000"?

Stumbled upon this hot daddy Samir Abu Eid on the SVT app. He’s the Middle East correspondent for a Swedish TV news show.

People still argue that the IRA are bad and yet somehow Hamas are freedom fighters?

The IRA?

r554 They were big in the 80s

Yes I know who the Irish Republican Army were R555. I was just a bit confused by the reference.

The iRA was bad but they had the saving grace of some fun music

[quote]𝐉𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐚𝐧’𝐬 𝐊𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐀𝐛𝐝𝐮𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐡, 𝐄𝐠𝐲𝐩𝐭’𝐬 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐀𝐛𝐝𝐞𝐥 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐡 𝐄𝐥-𝐒𝐢𝐬𝐢, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐏𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐀𝐮𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐌𝐚𝐡𝐦𝐨𝐮𝐝 𝐀𝐛𝐛𝐚𝐬 snub any meeting with Biden.What sadder sight then a lost Photo Op?

GO away Troll. That's not what happened. The king canceled the meeting as a protest against ISRAEL for blowing up the hospital. [bold]They did not "snub" Biden. It was a message to Israel.

Are Mumford & Sons IRA?

cornpop was a bad dewd.

I created part 5 for when this one is full.

We don't want your garbage thread R561. This is a serious conversation.

What's R562's damage?

Yes r561, they terrorize people with their horrible music.

As a biracial brown woman I hope Yazmeen Deyhimi finds her place scrubbing toilets at crack house when she graduates.

^ Maybe it's the first time she's encountered ideas from outside her echo chamber. Maybe she's learned something.

BAJOUR!

Too soon?

Early Intelligence Suggests Hospital Blast Caused by Palestinian Group, U.S. Says

Officials cautioned that analysis is preliminary and that the United States was continuing to collect and analyze evidence.

Oh dear.

Will the number of casualties from the hospital blast drop once more independent experts determine it wasn't Israeli fire?

"We'll never know the true death toll" is the official media line.

A disabled girl who was at the music festival has been confirmed dead. Ruth Peretz had cerebral palsy, was in a wheelchair and was fed by a gastro tube. She was last seen being carried away by her father and was believed to have been a hostage but 12 days after her death her body has been identified.

That it took12 days to identify her remains makes it clear how badly Hamas mutilated and destroyed the bodies.

Biden hugging Netanyahu.

Top story on the front pages of every Muslim newspaper and news broadcast

From what I've been reading, the stray Palestinian missile actually hit the parking lot of the hospital, not the hospital itself. The "500 dead" number was completely made up. There were just a few injured.

R574, that’s true. However, many Gazans have congregated in and near hospitals because they thought they would not be targeted. They, rather than doctors or patients, were the majority of casualties.

R574, we don’t know one way or another. But this event appears to have done what the October 7 attack did not: it got protesters into the streets all over the Middle East.

A young man who died saving others

And it’s been reported that the remains of the 12 year old girl who was autistic and loved Harry Potter has been found.

JK Rowling tweeted a picture of her in a Hogwarts uniform when it was believed she had been kidnapped and taken hostage. No, she as murdered and burned.

It's looking like all the hard evidence points to an Islamic Jihad errant explosive. I've been watching BBC and they were going over some of the same things the Americans were saying. Based on video footage, some from Al Jazeera, there is no way the damage came from an Israeli explosive (...but you know how cunning those Jews are...*sarcasm). Even Al Jazeera is only "suggesting" it was the Israelis now. I don't think anyone intended to strike a hospital, but wartime often results in friendly fire or unintended targets. I'm sure Islamic Jihad intended to kill innocent Jews rather than innocent Palestinians. I don't believe speculation that they did it to implicate Israel, because with all the footage from cameras and mobiles these days, you are just too likely to get caught.

20-30 killed in the hospital parking lot where they were sleeping, that’s what I read somewhere. Probably Reddit.

A journalist with Paris Match has spent time with the forensic teams trying to identify the bodies.

Bodies were shot multiple times in the face and mouth, fingers cut off. Beheadings, rape, disembowelments.

Thai workers were killed and burned together making it hard to identify their remains.

And people celebrate this.

Nothing absolutely conclusive yet, but looking more and more like a lie of Islamic Jihad rather than a lie of the IDF. We'll have to wait for Putin and the official Iranian and Syrian news agencies before we will really know who is to blame.

I can imagine how painful it must be to people at the BBC to even partially walk back their anti-Israel propaganda.

Shabbos goy/NY gov Kathy Hochul heads to Israel on 'solidarity mission' but trip is really more about shoring up Jewish voter support for her next election.

Is the United States Capitol the most easy to invade building on the planet or something?

What BBC reporters see when they look at themselves in a mirror

I'm reading from Sky News which is saying the same as BBC an NBC News. Probably, but not certainly, from Islamic Jihad (within Gaza). 95% certainty could be determined by fragments, but then said the below quote (which is, of course, obvious to anyone with a brain).

"I would expect Hamas to produce some sort of Israeli missile at some point derived from somewhere and say 'this is the missile that hit the hospital', and that may or may not be true."

Israel has invented an Orwellian lexicon. Children killed by Israelis become children caught in crossfire. The bombing of residential districts, with dozens of dead and wounded, becomes a surgical strike on a bomb-making factory. The destruction of Palestinian homes becomes the demolition of the homes of terrorists.

The Big Lie — Große Lüge — feeds the two reactions Israel seeks to elicit — racism among its supporters and terror among its victims. ..

All of the countries whose citizens were brutally murdered by Hamas should form an international military coalition to wipe out Hamas. Raze Gaza if they have to.

Look at all those insurrectionists.

Interesting. Some people believe Jews and Arabs are different races. FYI, if the Arabs are "brown" so are most of the Israelis.

[quote] FYI, if the Arabs are "brown" so are most of the Israelis.

Don't be such a mashugana. That shmegegge is true only if you disregard 2000 years of the Diaspora.

R592 Most Israeli Jews are descendants of refugees from the Arab/Islamic countries. Ashkenazi are now the minority. Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews, like Arabs, have a higher birth rate and overtook the Ashkenazi population. The only Ashkenazi Jews with a high birthrate are the ultra orthodox Hasidism which are still a small minority. The Jews from North Africa, Türkiye, Iran and the Arab countries are just as "brown" as Arabs. Not to mention Jews from India and Ethiopia.

When I lived in Israel, my best friends were an extended family of North African (mostly Libyan) Jews. They left Libya because they were forced to after being there for centuries. I mentioned that when calmly discussing the displacement of Arabs with a Palestinian that I worked for. He said that was the stupidest thing the Arabs ever did.

It's not like you can say the Jews in Israel can just go back to Poland and Germany as Helen Thomas insensitively once said. That's not where most of them came from, not now anyway.

"insensitively"

LOL that's more than not being sensitive.

R595 True. She turned out to be a real bitch in the end. I believe the people of Dearborn erected a statue in her honour (if I remember correctly).

R589. Razing Gaza would be and is genocide.

r597, you're embarrassing yourself with your misunderstanding of the word genocide.

R598 babe

[quote] systematic expulsion from homes

R599 quotes Wikipedia, the most reliable source on the internet. LOL.

I really don't believe anyone is seriously considering exterminating Arabs. I don't think that's even possible. When I think of actual genocide, I imagine concentration camps with emaciated living dead people like in European concentration camps or camps in Bosnia where the Bosnians were skin and bones like the Jews were in the camps in Europe. I think of Dr Josef Mengele doing medical experiments on Jews that wouldn't be considered ethical on animals. I think of Zyklon B used as a means of mass extermination and bodies being burned in as rapid and efficient manner as possible so as to complete the job. I also consider the massive drop in the number of European Jews due to their fairly efficient, though quite cruel methods. The Germans had a policy to eradicate the world of Jews. This is not what is going on in the Arab world, Israel or the Palestinian territories. Granted that life isn't pleasant, but it is no genocide. The Palestinian birth rate in the territories is quite high suggesting at least adequate nutrition and an increasing/large population of children. This didn't happen in concentration camps where most of the Jewish women stopped menstruating, few conceived and even fewer had babies. Any babies born were not likely to survive. Surely the opposite is happening with the Palestinians. There birthrate is phenomenal and they are quite far from risk of extinction. If the Jews are attempting genocide, they are certainly doing a piss pour job of it where the Palestinians are concerned as the opposite is happening. I think genocide is just one of those words taking on new meaning or just hyperbole/inflammatory word to throw around. It's a way for antisemites to say "see the Jews do the same thing". Resolves any possible guilt for the holocaust and even excuses it in a cruel and unfair way.