Poor Sinead

Sorry bad link

RIP. What a talent.

Datalounge is always first with the death news. How is that?

OMG what?!?! Wow.

Oh...my mouth just dropped open reading that. I guess it's not a shock...but still, it's surprising.

Oh no. Very sad.

Unexpected

What the hell, I just created the thread about her singing the Outlander theme song hours ago.

She really has lived a terrible life, and her son took his own life not that long ago as well.

So sad

I'm surprised so many people are surprised. She's been on self-destruct for years.

Infamous moment

DL's beaten the BBC and Sky News to this.

I remember when she ripped up the picture of the Pope to protest the church covering up abuse.

She got shit for it but she was totally correct

OMG! NO!

I mean I got the notification from the Irish times so it’s not like it was breaking on here.

r12 Add Wikipedia to that list!

[quote]I'm surprised so many people are surprised. She's been on self-destruct for years.

It wasn't self destruct, it was mental illness.

r15 You shut your Irish mouth now, this is a certified DL exclusive.

Was it the AIDS?

She had a great head but couldn’t live forever. RIP to an iconic spirit and voice.

I know I shouldn't be surprised, but damn.

Cause?

Hee hee hee

R18 at your command!

But really though it’s so sad. What a superstar.

Suicide?

R3 didn’t you know. Many elder gays snoop the internet for death news just like how old people used to search for obituaries in the newspaper.

So sad. Her music meant a lot to me as a kid and I always wished she could find some peace and I sort of felt an affinity knowing she and I probably experienced a lot of similar struggles. I hope ed there is a peace and reckoning for her wherever she is.

R22 That’s not even funny you POS.

I'm heartbroken. I loved her music, and felt protective of her broken soul.

NO! Is it really true? But of course, it has to be.

The Irish have higher rates of bipolar disorder and schizophrenia

You're right, R17, I didn't phrase it very well

Damm, they're dropping like flies. I'm 43, my parents are dead, grandparents are dead, my artists, the planet. Sinead was so right about that Catholic pedo shit. Ballsy woman. Pobrecita.

She converted to Islam so you know that wasn’t going to end well.

Heartbreaking, I’ve always had a real soft spot for her, even though she acted like a fool some times.

R29 Really. I never knew that. Makes sense. One hurt me very badly.

R32 oh yeah. I forgot she had made that move. She likely was BPD.

Damn

Weird I was just listening to a local college radio station this morning and they we're playing Sinead's, "Emperor's New Clothes" and I was thinking, god she had such a fantastic voice.

That woman was in such endless pain it seemed. Good luck on the next plane.

Terrible. What a great voice. What a difficult life.

I hope it wasn't suicide.

Mein Format

Her moving to London is what did it. Fell back into old habits, old “friends” probably. It will come out eventually that it was drugs.

She had the most beautiful voice, and when she found a song she connected with she was unbeatable.

R40 Fuck off we’re at 40 comments.

She wrong-footed SNL by holding up a photo of a refugee child in rehearsals for "War". They had no idea what she was going to do on the night.

She was someone who never should have had children.

The BBC's still banging on about Kevin Spacey.

That poor woman. She was very talented RIP

r40, no one is required to put this in any sort of format. Don't be a controlling OCD cunt (though I know that's your specialty).

I heard Nothing Compares 2 U on the radio about fifteen minutes ago here in Ireland. I guess that was why!

R3 Corpse sits up in her casket whenever a female artist passes. She’s always on death watch so she can get a sliver of publicity by lying and saying how she was great friends with the deceased.

Who would have thought Shane MacGowan would outlive her?

I became a big fan of hers in Early 1988 when I first heard "Mandinka" at an Alternative record store in Austin.

I always loved her music, and was especially happy to hear "Mandinka" playing on the Gap October 1992 in-store playlist on my first day with Gap at Highland Park Village in Dallas on 10/17/1992.

Nice memories of her music over the decades.

It's actually a testament to modern psychiatry that someone as mentally ill as her can live as long as she did. Of course, the bad-faith actors will ascribe it to Islam.

Men are not a new sensation....

To be fair, R51, only MacGowan's body has outlived Sinéad. His mind predeceased her by some years.

She lived longer than Dolores O'Riordan. And yes, it's wild than Shane McGowan still lives. I suppose his organs are pickled.

Predictions for the next two celebrity deaths- Pete Davidson and Carol Burnett.

I remember being told (incorrectly) that Sinead was Gaelic for skinhead when she initially broke through. Her look reminded me of the actress from the silent film The Passion of Joan of Arc. I sure hope we learn in coming days that she was a sunnier soul than her press releases.

She will always be a legend for ripping up that photo on live TV.

RIP.

Everyone needs to stop deadnaming Shuhada' Sadaqat.

Was it cancer? See her bald head.

R60 Pls don’t tell me she became trans. I think she was so beautiful when young.

I hope there’s the difficult brown where she’s going.

Strange that BBC news and Sky News websites still aren’t reporting this.

She converted to Islam a few years ago, R62.

No thoughts and no prayers.

There was a brief and bizarre little interlude where she wanted to be known as "Magda Davitt", shortly before converting to Islam and changing it again. She was trying to rid herself of her "slave name", apparently. She went back to Sinéad O'Connor as soon as she started touring again, of course.

So sad.

Guardian just reported.

She was suicidal well before she lost her son, so it's not hard to imagine how much further she went off the deep end after that. She was a tortured soul indeed.

Sinead and Terry were pure heaven together

I remember the articles posted on DL about how she was living in the United States in hotels. Those were interesting times.

R66, Pope Francis recently welcomed the "Piss Christ" guy to the Vatican, so I doubt he'd laugh about Sinead's death. He's definitely not John Paul II.

As with Lisa Marie, she died eighteen months after her son.

She’s finally at peace.

She claimed on Irish TV a few years ago that her earliest memory was her own birth.

I'm sure it was either drugs or suicide.

BBC: Family Statement

Has any other one-hit wonder ever stretched a career so far? Her one song was 33 years ago.

SInead takes on Elton and Bernie

This one is great.

R79, with all due respect it was a huge hit. Widely considered to be one of the most iconic of its era.

The video alone is iconic for its era.

Nothing Compares 2 U is one of the greatest songs of the last 100 years.

The song, the singer, the performance, the video.

She does...

She was not a one-hit wonder, even if one only knows the name of a single song. For example, I don't know what song the poster in question is referring to. Is it "Mandinka"? "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got"? "Nothing Compares 2 U"? etc.

Oh wow. This one feels big.

Guess who's outlived another one, bitches!

R42 - Thanks so much for posting that cover. I’ve been unable to find it on Spotify.

RIP, Sinéad. May you be at peace.

Sinead's take on Kim Kardashian:

I genuinely only know one song of hers, and it’s absolutely perfect in every way.

Listening to Nothing Compares 2 U right now, and loving it just as much as I did the very first time I heard it.

RIP, Sinead.

AIDS?

RIP. Unsung Sinead track - Kingdom of Rain with The The (Matt Johnson). I guess it's technically a The The song, but still, her vocal is great.

Killary's silence is deafening!

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar's tribute:

I usually don't like Prince covers, but Nothing Compares 2 U is sublime. Prince's version is great, but different.

I was hoping she had one more great album in her. RIP Sinead.

Sinead.

Sinead O'Connor?

Skinhead O'Connor more like

She was 100% correct about the Catholic Church, and boy did she get burned for it. She was ahead of her time.

Sinead is so Gen X, 1990s culture. Even if you don't like her or never got into her, she was definitely a "thing" - a marker of the era.

Rock at R92, see R19.

I don't care who knows, I am actually crying. One in a billion.

[quote] I was hoping she had one more great album in her.

Perhaps she did?

Sinead O’Connor dead at 56 from swallowing vinyl album.

The news of Sinead’s death prompted me to watch the music video for Nothing Compares 2 U, and it’s amazing how timeless it is. So iconic.

The Lion and the Cobra was seminal.

Taoisheach.

She lost her audience. She was for the bohemian douches and they dropped her after NC2U went mainstream, and we know how fickle pop fans are

Tina, Sinead, if Courtney goes this year I will refuse to continue acknowledge the year 2023

From her Washington Post obituary:

[quote] Beaten by her mother as a young girl, she was later diagnosed with complex post-traumatic stress disorder, borderline personality disorder and bipolar disorder, and acknowledged having suicidal thoughts in recent years.

Wow. it's amazing she lived as long as she did.

Thanks for reminding me of that, R93. I used to be obsessed with that album.

The 's' in Taoiseach is pronounced 'sh' anyway, R107. Tee-shock (more or less).

I wondered when we were going to get a big surprise death this summer, and now we've had it.

[quote] we know how fickle pop fans are

You know how fickle pop fags can be.

[quote] I wondered when we were going to get a big surprise death this summer, and now we've had it.

Yay!

[quote]The 's' in Taoiseach is pronounced 'sh' anyway, [R107]. Tee-shock (more or less).

If you see a faded sign at the side of the road that says 15 miles to the Taoiseach!

Taoiseach baby

Yeah, R111, I was really into The The. There's a handful of The The albums that I absolutely love, including Mind Bomb

TW: Gwyneth Paltrow

Liz Truss pronounced Taoiseach "tea sock".

I pronounce Liz Truss Lis Truce

Liza is still with us

Here she is singing "I Don't Know How to Love Him."

I listened to the "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got" over and over during a hard time in my life.

"Am I Not Your Girl?" I listened to many times during a better time of my life.

When her son died, I felt like she might give up, too.

My gut feeling is that she was sexually abused as a child.

She was so beautiful when young, even without hair.

Singing a song about a woman who oversaw the oppression of her people

The death of her teenage son by suicide who had been taken into care and she couldn't see him or help him, it broke her. As it would any mother. I hope she is at peace now, the peace that eluded her in life.

Wikipedia already has a death date listed for her. Those vultures don't even wait until the body is cold.

Why shouldn't Wikipedia update Sinead's bio?

4 husbands she was Peter Gabriel's weekend pussy when he was early 40s and in his prime.

Lovely and haunting.

Still my favorite...

"So if u don’t like ‘the difficult brown’.. Don’t apply…"

I miss that Sinéad!

It wouldn't surprise me if it's some type of a cardiac event/heart failure. People who are bipolar tend to die younger and, IIRC, heart issues are problematic. She's also full on menopausal if not on HRT. A lot of cortisol and adrenaline in the system and resulting anxiety, palpitations, etc

She was hospitalized in January 2022 after making suicidal threats. This was just after her 17-year-old son Shane's suicide.

She tweeted:

[quote]I’ve decided to follow my son. There is no point living without him. Everything I touch, I ruin. I only stayed for him. And now he’s gone.

and then, an hour later:

[quote]I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have said that. I am with cops now on way to hospital. I’m sorry I upset everyone. I am lost without my kid and I hate myself. Hospital will help a while. But I’m going to find Shane. This is just a delay.

This is really heartbreaking.

R132 Awww man that is just devastating. Her journey has been filled with so much turmoil, and I pray she finds peace on the other side. What a sad day. Yes, she maybe was severely mentally unstable but she could sing. RIP, Sinead.

I guess my rendition will now become the definitive version..

[quote] Respect to Sinead….. She stood for something… Unlike most people…. Rest Easy..🙏🏽

This was beautiful. A tribute to Frontline workers during the pandemic.

Damn. RIP.

[quote]Mein Format

No one cares about your moronic format.

The BBC included fucking JEDWARD in their tributes:

[quote] Fellow Irish musicians - and television presenters - John and Edward Grimes, known as Jedward, also shared their thoughts, writing that O'Connor is a "true Irish Icon of our generation".

[quote] "We only just met her this year and she was in good spirits, a very welcoming person with a big heart," the duo wrote on Twitter.

Oh no, the poor soul. I love her music and loved her SNL moment. It was fierce. Ugh, I’m crying in a coffee shop.

Now I can relax, I was anxiously awaiting a reaction from Jedward!

Jamie Foxx waiting room

I hope Sinead didn't choke on a cheese an onion tayto when she saw Jedward's twincest pics

Crying. Such a sad life for such a talented person. In some ways, she's been set free. She dealt with mental illness for so long. I hope she's finally, at ling last, at peace.

Media outlets are reporting these words as those of Seamus Heaney, the Nobel prize winning poet. The Nobel prize winning poet who died 10 years ago.

I always thought Winona Ryder looked like her with short hair.

I was so sad to see this news but had mixed emotions as only days ago a post about Sinead had mostly comments saying she'd be dead soon. 😔 I try to explain Datalounge to my bf, but mostly he thinks it just sounds like a mean place. I personally met Sinead a dozen times over the years...my best friend in my gay youth dated her brother for 3 years...She was just very very very shy. (My dad once told me, in a very very rare moment, that he became an alcoholic because he was thrown out into the working world at 13 and was incredibly shy...so he found that alcohol cud get him functioning somewhat.) Anyways, a huge talent, a huge loss and another sad showbiz story. May she find peace. Respect. X

R122, thank you for posting that link. I love that song so much & had never heard her version of it.

She was only 56. Did she have some terminal illness?

FUCK!

She was a brilliant signer, may she rest in peace. 😢

[quote] My gut feeling is that she was sexually abused as a child.

Really R122 - Perhaps your "gut" is telling you that because she has stated numerous times that she was.

R151 lmao 🤣

Everyone was all over her for her statement against the Pope in 1992. Turned out, she wasn't wrong.

And the following week on SNL Joe Pesci said "I'd given her such a SMACK" to laughter and applause. Crazy times we've lived in.

Terrible

R148, so glad you liked it!

"I hope she's finally, at ling last, at peace."

She on the roof!

Such a troubled woman for so long. RIP

Wonder why she didn't have the recording career of Lisa Stansfield or Sade?

Proof that fame and money can't buy happiness.

Last Day of Our Acquaintance got me through SO many breakups during the 90s and 00s.

RIP Sinead. She gave one of the greatest reads of the past decade.

Who is this cunt on the cover of Rolling Stone.

Has Susan Dey weighed in yet? If not, she will, well...she may.

R161. Great comment. More stars should comment as Sinead did when any of the Kardashians appear anywhere.

That Kardashian quote was awesome, I'd never seen that before. I always loved Sinead, and that made me love her more.

[quote] She was a brilliant signer, may she rest in peace. 😢

I too was a brilliant signer.

#160 = Le$bian Drama!

[quote] The BBC included fucking JEDWARD in their tributes

Jedward. Now that’s a name I had not heard in a long time. A long time.

R165 lol Stop it.

R163 The Queen didn’t even want to be bother with that harlot but embraced her out of respect for Kanye’s marriage.

Humous Yousaf made sure to use Sinead's Islamic name in his tribute to her

إِنَّا لِلَّهِ وَإِنَّآ إِلَيْهِ رَٰجِعُونَ

Loved her for shitting all over the Pope.

R169, Queen Elizabeth II?

I loved her voice - quite unique

Right there with you rescue-chick. I’m becoming a right Weepy Wilma in my old age. An indomitable spirit with a voice that was incomparable. R.I.P. you fierce Bitch. There will never be another like you.

Somebody posted “RIP Ms. O’Connor” on FB and I thought they were talking about Sandra Day. Who, ironically, is still alive.

So are Jedward well respected in the UK?

r174, I keep listening to additional videos and just start crying all over again. I truly, deeply hoped that she would be one of the women with horrible, lifelong mental health issues who would fimd peaceful mental health after menopause.

[quote] So are Jedward well respected in the UK?

Perhaps in Ireland, R176.

Nana's death scene in the Royle Family, featuring Sinead's cover of "Scarlet Ribbons (For Her Hair)", is one of the saddest TV moments ever. It starts around 45:20:

A headline I never wanted to see. Absolutely gutted.

Rest in peace now you beautiful, complicated woman. Thank you for the songs along the way.

Unhinged, bitchy, begging online for anal sex. I wouldn't be surprised if Sinéad were a secret DLer.

[quote]My gut feeling is that she was sexually abused as a child

R122 She openly talked about being beaten and sexually abused by her mother, and suffering PTSD from it.

I love that she just pogo sticked from one religion to another and one Religious Order to another making sure to take a big dump on every one of them on the way out

She said she liked anal sex. She was in her sexual prime when she put herself out there, looking for sex. So what. If a man did that, would it be so horrible.

Calling it the "unfortunate brown" was memorable in a bad way.

She bore a striking resemblance to her mother, pictured on the left at R182.

She was devoutly sacrilegious

Yeah, she looks just like her mother.

"Thank You For Hearing Me" by Sinéad O'Connor is one of my favorite songs on the Gap December 1996 in-store playlist.

Just beautiful vocals.

I cried eight times!

[quote]So are Jedward well respected in the UK?

"those twins from X Factor who posed for some creepy incest pics"?

No, Jedward have no career and are not respected. They try to get media attention with provocative tweets, especially about the monarchy and British politics. They tried to jump on the gender/sex bandwagon by supporting the burning of JK Rowling's books. But no one pays any attention to them now.

Sinéad had it ALL. All the brilliance, all the anger, all he beauty, all the crazy. What a life.

Wait, when was she looking for anal sex?

Poor Sinead. One of the worlds most beautiful voices.

Asshole Frank Sinatra said he wanted to kick her ass.

R192, look at the link at R130, the Hollywood Reporter article.

"I'd never been in the presence of anyone who loved mood swings and manic actions as much as you. .You lived... in motels in New Jersey. You loved the unfortunate brown. You were a space cadet. You were present."

I though she was talking about Prince

R197, you thought the “unfortunate brown” referred to Prince?

I’ve already posted, but I’m posting again. This woman was fearless and beautiful and talented.

I always have respect for those who are willing to publicly challenge “The Church.” It takes bravery to willingly take on all the opprobrium of the millions of deluded Papists. One of her later criticisms of the Church, that it is “drowning in a sea of conditional love,” is one of the better metaphors I’ve heard of their iniquity and hypocrisy. They abused her terribly, and she wouldn’t forgive or forget, and it maybe killed her but also made her heroic.

Apparently all of her last social media posts were about the overwhelming grief of being the mother of a child who died by suicide. It’s heartbreaking that she died in such pain.

As an aside, she was mentioning Buddhism quite a bit in her final social media posts, so perhaps she switched faiths again towards the end?

Sinéad is on the front cover of all of tomorrows newspapers here in the UK.

Apostrophe.

She had four kids? I had no idea.

Tomorrow’s news today!

OD?

I guess it was inevitable, poor woman. Wonder if she left a note.

Death is indeed inevitable.

[quote] Wonder if she left a note

She tore it up.

Sinéad Marie Bernadette O'Connor; 8 December 1966 – announcement 26 July 2023

also known as Shuhada' Sadaqat, previously Magda Davitt

[quote] Calling it the "unfortunate brown" was memorable in a bad way.

She actually called it "the difficult brown," not "the unfortunate brown."

"Never Get Old," which starts with an Enya sample:

Does anyone remember when Michael K at Dlisted used ‘The Difficult Brown’ as his nickname for Chris Brown? Lolololol

I feel sorry for Sinead...clearly troubled...some of that was mental illness, some of it abuse she endured. I would eyeroll occasionally at some of her weird shenanigans (not talking about the Pope pic) but she had a wounded soul and had the voice of an absolute angel. Hopefully her spirit is finally in peace.

R24 the communication mentioned something about lising her battle with m.i, so probably

I'll say the same thing I said when the Queen died last fall: was it suicide?

She looked great with the buzz cut when she was young.

How long before I can laught at the Phil Hartman as Sinatra and Jan Hooks as Sinead sketch on SNL? Cuz that one's a classic.

I hope she didn't kill herself in some dramatic and painful fashion. Bless her but she has a flair for drama and self-abuse.

Now, R216.

What’s “m.i.”, precious, What’s “m.i.”?

Mental illness, R219.

R207 you made me laugh out loud and now I hate myself a little….but I also kinda wanna kiss you

Thank you, R220.

Unfortunate brown is such a weird term. What a weirdo she was. And always so keen to be seen as controversial. What the hell was tearing up a picture of the pope on some moribund comedy show going to do? Highly performative.

I liked some of her music, and I’m certainly not glad she’s dead, but it’s already exhausting, the beatification of her. I’ve been on Instagram about twelve years. I’ve been following several people since that first year. These people are going on and on about how amazing and transformative Sinead was, but they never posted anything about her in the preceding 12 years.

Who is going to raise all her children, now that she's gone?

R223, she took a lot of heat for ripping up the picture of the Pope. She was doing it to protest the church covering up child abuse. Which she was correct about (this was before that issue received a ton of media coverage)

potato famine?

Not that I'm condoning the backlash she got, but people loved that pope and took it more as an attack on him than the Catholic Church. I think thats why it got such backlash.

I think people would have the same reaction if someone did that to Pope Francis now.

She played the Virgin Mother in "The Butcher Boy" and was perfection. The ethereality, her looks, her voice - you'd have never thought she had any issue with the Catholic Church.

R238, did the Virgin Mary engage in the difficult brown and was thus a vaginal virgin?

Her voice was haunting and captivating, and I always found her intriguing as an artist.

Having said that, I wasn't always the biggest fan of her music, but occasionally she'd do something that I absolutely loved, like this cover she did of an old Loretta Lynn classic:

I’m surprised that she had four kids. She never seemed like the maternal type, but, in the end, her son’s suicide destroyed what little hold she had on life. RIP.

[quote]She played the Virgin Mother in "The Butcher Boy" and was perfection.

Yes! What inspired casting, too.

Remember when she turned lesbian for a hot minute? Did she ever actually have any female partners?

[quote]O’Connor outed herself as a lesbian in an interview with Curve magazine in 2000, but later retracted the statement and in 2005, told Entertainment Weekly “I’m three-quarters heterosexual, a quarter gay. I lean a bit more towards the hairy blokes.”

[quote]O’Connor is vetting all applications responding to her current personal ads through an assistant, but unemployed suitors need not apply, according to the singer’s checklist of desires. She also makes clear that “Women will also be very much considered.”

She lived a life that’s all any of us get.

R232, I was shocked that she took the role and thought of it as stunt casting until I saw the performance.

She was amazing.

The film is very weird and unlikable, but she convinced as an actual note of the divine.

[quote] Unfortunate brown is such a weird term. What a weirdo she was.

Weirder than someone who keeps getting the term wrong?

It was the DIFFICULT BROWN, not "unfortunate brown."

Here’s the original article from delisted which quotes her as saying difficult brown

That Outlanders theme is so beautiful

I wish I'd seen her in concert

The Pope got her.

Surprised she was only 56, but her first album was released when she was 20. Long career, but not long enough. RIP

Can we acknowledge Sinead’s radiant beauty she had in youth. I mean she still aged gracefully but she was quite a good looking young woman.

R239: I saw her once live in ‘96 when she toured Universal Mother. It was amazing.

[QUOTE] She lived a life that’s all any of us get.

Go out and have a ball!

such a deep cover

I’ve had zero interest in her for at least 20 years but I loved her first 4 albums. The Lion & the Cobra thru Universal Mother was her best work.

The Documentary Nothing Compares is about her early career. She is sharp as a tack and incredibly articulate with all the asinine press and personalities who come off fake as shit and stupid. She was a true artist, activist artist in a throw back to the 60s. A wonderful singer who communicated very directly. Then she lost the battle with mental illness. BUT. Even OLD burnt out Sinead, narrating the documentary in a voice you can barely recognize. She is 100% cogent and very intelligence. Not deluded. Not dramatic. Just plain speaking and sharp. This after everything. After all the addictions and madness and the hotel hobo - all that. She just talks and she is 100% not insane in any intellectually way. It must all have been emotional madness.

Addictions?

Such an incredible voice

Visions of You

Weird video, but fun song

Side bar. Did Sinead get a nose job, sometime around Album 1?

I noticed in the documentary she dropped a lot of weight her first year of stardom and WAY upped her glam game to become striking.

I have always been a big fan of her music and have everything she's recorded, so for me this really sucks.

That's beautiful R252

She had borderline personality disorder. Triggered by a terribly abusive childhood. It was evident throughout her life — and also in her art. The intense emotions and impulsivity. Terrible illness but she was able to channel her strong feelings into some of the most deeply moving pop songs. Her “ripping up the picture of the Pope” stunt on SNL was truly one of the most shocking moments in modern day pop culture. now , of course, strippers perform on SNL and rappers pretend to have sex with the Devil so none of this is shocking. But I clearly remember when Sinead O’Connor pulled that stunt — I wasn’t even raised Catholic and it was just such a shock, so taboo, so threatening and terrifying to people. I mean Marilyn Manson was never ever ever able to achieve that level of horror for middle class America, and believe me he tried.

What a terrible sad story. her son’s death was just too much for her and with her borderline personality she just couldn’t handle the emotions. I can’t remember the stats but the risk of suicide among borderlines is HUGE. From all the unusual behavior we saw from Sinead over the years, she was clearly seeking help for her illness but she just could never get to a stable place. RIP

Would someone remind me of what was the beef between her and Prince?

Years ago, I read it here at the good old DL that they had a falling-out, but I can't remember what it was about.

I do know that Prince, as talented as he was, and there is no denying that, could be a snarky bitch when it came to other artists. I got the feeling he resented her success with Nothing Compares 2 U.

Even Madonna piled on Sinead over ripping up the Pope's picture which only served to reveal Madonna as incapable of acknowledging and respecting an act that actually took real balls to do.

I respected O'Connor doing that right off the bat, not the least reason being the question of, when, on hyper controlled TV, even when it's so-called "live", did anybody do something so outrageous?

Again, Respect, Ms. O'Connor, and, even though I don't believe in an afterlife, if you did, may the Creator welcome you to a place where you can see your son again.

One more

Here you go, R255.

I remember when someone first posted a rumour on DL that Prince had hit Sinead, and another poster replied, "Her kneecap must have been pretty bruised."

^Madonna may have piled on, but then she went on SNL and ripped up a photo of Joey Buttafuoco. She couldn't resist the chance to do a copycat stunt for attention. Anyway...after "Like A Prayer," who was she to say what was a bridge too far?

Thanks, r257.

Whaoh, what a story. And I believe it happened.

Shock me, shock me, shock me

I was watching the BBC interviewing some woman about her - so her son Shane was in a care home? WTF?

And the Islam conversion. I just can't. She's another Roseanne.

[quote] She's another Roseanne.

Not anymore.

Comparing her to a far right nut like Roseanne is insane

You used to hold my hand when the plane took off......

Roseanne never converted to Islam. I don't understand the comparison.

Roseanne probably actually hates Muslims so I don't understand the comparison, either

Sinéad didn't seem as mean-spirited as Roseanne.

R.I.P she was a cute bald chick.

Knew this was a possibility as I saw a pic Boy George had posted of the two of them backstage recently somewhere and she just looked.. empty. It was unsettling.

This one hurts extra as so many of the people in my life I had great Sinead music moments with have also passed in the last several years, and that just feels weird as fuck. Time is so fleeting, and aging isn't fun at all.

R258 Marry me.

I'd be empty too if that used up cunt Boy George forced a piccy on me to post to his socials.

Comparing Sinead to Roseanne is like comparing Lauren Bacall to Lara Trump.

Yeah, but nah.

For those of you with a Times subscription, she wrote a lot of comments on this story.

She really did look like her mother.

Which makes me wonder if her mother was also the target of abuse.

WTF is this bullshit you're peddling, R274? Go to bed.

Hi, R275.

Sinead was a beautiful woman.

Later in life, she looked like her mother.

Which seems to suggest that her mother may have been beautiful as a young woman.

Abuse tends to be cyclical.

I wondered if that was the case.

No bullshit to peddle.

R274 Do you mean the mom literally saw herself in Sinead, and projected her shame and self-loathing onto her own daughter? I don’t know about that, but the resemblance is troubling. It must have been a mind-fuck for Sinead to look in the mirror and see the face of her abuser staring back at her.

A good read from The New York Times...

There was no paywall when I read it. Hopefully that remains the case for you.

From Sandra Bernhard...

she put it all on the line & she was correct about it all a true artist & activist terribly sad

R277, something like that.

I am not a psychologist, but my own family experience suggests that abuse is a pattern.

Write better. Your ambiguous phrasing made it seem like you were wondering if Sinead abused her mother right back.

I'll write a letter of apology to your English instructress, R281.

Once I'm done face-fucking your dad.

You might want to hold your breath.

The.joy of this moment is knowing you sit in your own excrement, R282. Bye byeeeeeeee.

Whatever.

R274 / R276 Ah — okay. That makes sense. If the mom was sexually abused as a child for being a “pretty girl,” that in part might explain the bizarre torture of her daughter that included cutting her hair short, dressing her like a boy (because she “wanted a son instead”), and trying to destroy her reproductive organs. A few years back, Sinead had a mental breakdown after getting a hysterectomy because — as she explained later — it triggered memories of the torturous abuse she suffered as a child.

R285, I suspect this was the case - that women in her maternal line were targeted. That's what happened in my family.

God love you Datalounge, every once in a while you are unanimous in your praise. And Sinead O'conor deserves that. A great artist. A great activist. She was one hundred percent correct abut the abuse of the Catholic Church. A very troubled woman who fought the good fight.

Her son (who died by suicide last year) also looked very like Sinéad.

R79’s comment is one of the most ignorant comments I’ve ever read, anywhere, including here.

RIP to Sinead.

I hope she knew how much she was loved.

Our Sinead as Our Lady.

"4k fucking HD? What the hell is it talking about?"

Many aren’t familiar with her music beyond Nothing Compares 2 U, nor are they familiar with her history or her activism.

Sinead had challenges. She suffered from HORRIFIC abuse as a child, & survived the Magdalene Laundries, where she was placed, due to having a horribly abusive mother.

Even after all she went through, she sang like an angel on a rocket ship heading straight to the moon.

Many of you hear a young & some of you are simply not curious. That said, it’s important to understand people comprehensively. It’s important to know their stories & attempt to see where others are coming from.

Sinead wasn’t just a woman who struggled with mental health & trauma. She was a warrior, & she wasn’t afraid to be honest.

She was fearless, yet terrified. She was brave, yet vulnerable, & she is now gone, & it matters because she offered so, so much, even when so much was taken from her.

I’m obviously broken up about this one. This lady was exceptionally special & she is truly missed.

Correction:

“Many of you here are young…”

R291 One of the few times I'll say "bless her heart" and genuinely mean it, not in a catty way. Tragic.

Roseanne’s a Jew hating, holocaust applauding Mormon Christian, born Jew

Very sad, though no surprising. She had a wonderful voice up to the end - just think of the career she would've had if her mental illness had been kept under control and she had people around her that could take care of her.

Before she died most people on DL referred to her as a crazy bitch and insane cunt, now she's a talented though troubled person.

R260 sinews O rebellion. Renee Zelweggers character was such a cunt in that movie. A young slutty Frau in the making.

[quote]O'Connor, who shot to international fame in the 1990s, was also remembered by Oscar-winning singer and songwriter Glen Hansard.

[quote]He said: "Ireland has always preferred its heroes on the wall. Too scared and afraid to deal with them in the room. Now we can finally hang her picture on the wall and revere her for the giant she was."

That's interesting, I can see his point.

Posted without comment.

R301 Wow, she was so accurate!

[quote]Before she died most people on DL referred to her as a crazy bitch and insane cunt, now she's a talented though troubled person.

Both things can be true. See also: Anne Heche

Idem, R303...though I would not have ever called her a cunt.

R297 Yes that didn’t escape my notice either. Still, that’s all in the past, Sinéad has now collected her angel wings and is on her last journey, to heaven, to be reunited with past loved ones. They will be waiting for her on a fluffy cloud with another angel playing the harp.

@toriamos

Sinead was a force of nature. A brilliant songwriter & performer whose talent we will not see the like of again. Such passion, such intense presence & a beautiful soul, who battled her own personal demons courageously. Be at peace dear Sinead, you will forever be in our hearts. t

R297 - you're presuming the posters who mocked her on DL in the past are the same ones morning her here now.

Anyway, back to celebrating her music:

To add to my two contributions above, I'll post something from her final album . . .

Yikes, I could have sworn I was typing "mourning" above @ R307

I don't believe the article at R257, that's some BS about her saying Prince was an abuser because he hit her with a fucking pillow. Wow lady, delusional as usual. I'm not saying Prince was perfect as I do think he had a history of trying to control women / his proteges. But that's pretty funny, she probably outweighed him when he was 5'2" and could probably outpunch him.

I think she was a talented singer but let's face it, she was batshit crazy and went through religions like she changed her clothes. That was her prerogative but making her some saint now is ridiculous.

r309 sounds lovely.

R301, wow, she was a prophet! She saw Piers for the asshole that he was. Hate him

I had no idea she had four children. All I ever hear about his her son who committed Suicide. Did she not get along with her other children?

R301 for that alone I think she should be Saint Sinead

Watch the documentary I mentioned. "Nothing Compares"

Sinead didn't suffer fools.

R312 I don’t think she ever lived with her other children. I know with her daughter the custody battle began before the kid was even born and the father ended up with custody.

Four baby daddies. Nobody stopped to think that maybe it's not wise to have a kid with someone so profoundly mentally ill?

[quote] Four baby daddies. Nobody stopped to think that maybe it's not wise to have a kid with someone so profoundly mentally ill?

I'm guessing that not all four of those men intended on Sinéad getting pregnant.

Four Baby daddies, none of them her four husbands? You can still be a National Oracle Of Morality

If ONLY there was a way to quickly get information, nowadays, R318. But no. Just comment out of ignorance.

John Reynolds, father of the first child, was married to Sinead for 4 years.

The fact of the matter is that as a middle-aged adult, she robustly embraced the most violent anti-gay, misogynist, Jew hating, intolerant, hate-inciting religious ideology on the planet. So, she can just go fuck off.

May she be with her genocidal, child-raping, mass enslaving, thieving prophet, wherever that may be. Inshallah.

I have so many questions:

Was Sinead close to her surviving kids?

Has she ever commented on the scenes in the Nothing Compares 2 U video, when tears rolled down her face?

It has been reported that Sinead was sexually and physically abused by her mother but I am hesitant to believe this beecause Sinead has made glowing remarks about her mother

R301: yes but:

Fuck him, r322. He's playing games.

[quote] Has she ever commented on the scenes in the Nothing Compares 2 U video, when tears rolled down her face?

She said that she cried because the line "All the flowers that you planted, Mama / In the back yard / All died when you went away" made her think of her late mother.

R321, she wasn't that interesting or worth the angst or curiosity. She was just another fucked up Borderline her whole life.

couldn’t someone have watered them?

So sad R324. I didn't know she had made that connection. Makes the song and scene even sadder

W&W r326

Oh, ok so she was not close with her other children.

Her Collaborations CD was quite good as well

R320, American conservatives hate Muslims and conservatives are misogynist, anti-gay, anti-trans, racist, ethnocentric....

The conversion to Islam just seemed like yet another facet of her borderline personality disorder. People with BPD tend to hop from identity to identity.

How fanatic was her religious devotion? There's something to be said for sampling from every every plate, taking what you like, and leaving the rest.

Has Annie Lennox weighed in on Sinead's death? I don't know if they were close but I recall Annie offered to help/ or did help Sinead when she was found a few years back roaming the roadside of the New Jersey highway.

Wake up, R334

Tributes paid to 'beloved' Irish singer Sinéad O'Connor

Wikipedia says that she had Fibro.

She was tender to the touch.

A woman commented on another website that Sinead taught young girls to say that they were not fucking sorry.

In her last video, she seemed manic and did mention her kid passing away. Oh and her new "Martin Johnny fucking Cash guitar that I'm gonna write some tunes on" - so not suicidal 10 days before her death.

Her brother Joseph O’Connor said that yes, her mother was abusive, but their father wasn’t.

He (Joseph) is an acclaimed novelist.

Peter Gabriel weighs in:

[quote] Sinéad was an extraordinary talent. She could move us with a candour and a passion with which so many people connected. The path she chose was always difficult and uncompromising but at every turn she would show her spirit and her courage. I feel lucky to have had the chance to work with her. - PG

R331, not Muslims dear, Islam.

R341 yes in June 1993, in the days before Twitter, Joseph O'Connor and Sinéad engaged in a bizarre series of letters written to the Irish Times to air the dirty laundry of how abusive their parents were or were not as the case may be depending on which side you believed. Joseph O'Connor is a fantastic writer and a brilliant wit, his series of 'An Irish Male...' books are hilarious. She must have been incredibly difficult to have as a sibling but through it all she was beloved, because how could you not love her. Her dad was a barrister and is still alive and living in Dublin City. This must be devastating for him.

Her son that took his own life was in the care of the Irish State, with Sinéad in a legal battle to try and gain custody of him. He had attempted suicide twice before and was being kept on a ward in a hospital in Dublin. Through the hospital's negligence he managed to leave and was 'missing' for several days before he was found dead. Sinéad was ferociously angry at the hospital, the health service and the child protective services agency in Ireland and was threatening to sue them all in bizarre 3am grief-stricken rants on Twitter. It completely broke her. And no doubt contributed to her own demise. And to think if some nurse or orderly had been a bit more astute, Shane Lunny might still be alive and so might Sinéad. Terribly sad how tragedy can hinge on the most minor of events.

Pink, Brandi Carlile Honor Sinéad O'Connor with 'Nothing Compares 2 U' Duet

Better link than my R346! Whole song.

r340 I've been suicidal, off and on, since I was 12.

For someone with rapidly cycling moods, ten days is a lifetime. I can be on top of the world in the morning and in the depths of utter despair by nightfall.

R348 gosh, I’m sad to hear this news. May I ask how old you are now? In the future, do you think you will act on your suicidal ideations?

I had a friend who shared your same thoughts and he ended up taking his life. I completely understood because I saw his constant struggle. I was very sad. I hope he finally found peace on the other side.

I’m thinking of you and understand life can be very difficult. Keep getting up! We may be anonymous, but we do still care.

[quote]May I ask how old you are now?

Almost 40.

[quote]In the future, do you think you will act on your suicidal ideations?

Who can say r349? I certainly have no intention to, but I fear losing all hope in a single moment. It scares me, because I genuinely love being alive (and I also have a fear of death). Psychologist Thomas Joiner has an interesting theory of suicide; I recommend his books Myths About Suicide and Why People Die By Suicide.

I just posted this on another thread:

I've never found anything other than illicit drugs that gives me motivation when depressed. Food offers a very brief respite. I've been on a wide swathe of psychotropics from the time I was in my early 20s. None of them helped in any meaningful way. I've been through a number of psychologists and counselors. Only one truly helped. I'm just as depressed during the periods when I work out religiously than the periods I don't.

I quit drinking and using drugs about ten years ago, because I know those things were making me more depressed in the end.

I was born depressed and, all else being equal, I will die depressed. It's genetic, and it goes back generations.

[quote] I remember being told (incorrectly) that Sinead was Gaelic for skinhead when she initially broke through

I think that was a joke on Letterman.

Jesus Christ, is there just nothing Brandi Carlisle won't stick her fucking stinky pussy into?

She's all but Hoovered up Joni Mitchell's career and now Sinead hasn't been dead a day and the bitch is already shrieking in her name.

Peter Gabriel's comment conveniently leaves out their relationship, and the revelation in Sinead's book that Gabriel just wanted her to be, as she put it, "weekend pussy."

Annie Lennox on FB:

Sinéad…

You bared your soul…

Shared your brilliance

Through exquisite artistry

Your incredible voice.

Fierce and fragile

Lioness and lamb

Sweet singing bird

Keenly tuned

Trembling..

Tip-toeing along the high wire

Or stamping the ground

Raw

Wounded

Fearless

Impulsive

Bold and beautiful

Truth teller

Singer of songs

Crazy wisdom

Power house

Shaman

Priest and Priestess

Unafraid..

May the angels hold you in their tender arms

And give you rest

In peace

What a genuine heartfelt tribute by Annie Lennox

[quote] Psychologist Thomas Joiner has an interesting theory of suicide

What is his theory in summary?

Pinka nd Brandi Carlisle seem so disingenuous with their tribute. It all seem attention seeking .

Was Sinead a good parent? who was taking care of her kids while she was roaming highways and motels and switching religions?

R354 Annie is a blowhard. I did hear she helped Sinead so I'll forgive it.

Many of these tributes are going to be self-serving.

Pinka.

R358 Amanda Palmer appears to suggest that Annie helped Sinead at some point.

I'm sure many did.

r356 It starts with the premise that suicide is extraordinarily difficult. It's difficult to go against our deeply ingrained instinct for survival, and it's difficult to enact lethal harm on oneself. So, in in order to commit suicide, one must overcome the terrific fear of and aversion to death that we all inherently possess. He argues that people can conquer this fear, as it were, through a habituation to pain, which can happen in any number of ways. This is why, for example, athletes, anorexics, military veterans, and victims of physical abuse all have higher rates of suicide, as do people with tattoos.

Of course, that is not enough. One must also desire death. This desire stems from "thwarted belongingness," the lack of close interpersonal relationships and connections to a community. This is why, he theorizes, people who attend weekly church services have a lower risk of suicide, as do women with many children. They feel connected to others. Loneliness, and a lack of connections, leads to suicidal ideation in some people. He says something like -- paraphrasing -- to say people who commit suicide feel lonely at the time of their deaths is a great understatement.

Not all people who acquire the capacity to overcome their fear of death desire suicide; and not all people who desire suicide overcome their fear of death. A successful suicide generally means that these two factors have coincided in a single individual.

Thanks for that, R361.

You're welcome r362

From Kate Bush:

It’s like a light has gone out, hasn’t it? A beacon on a high mountain. Sinead didn’t just move us with her incredibly emotive voice, she stood up with it. I salute her. We were lucky to have such a magical presence move among us.

Christ I love Kate Bush. Showing us how it's done once again.

That said, she was a miserable person who never recognized boundaries and was impossible to everyone she ran across, leaving a trail of destruction in her wake. She's best appreciated from a distance.

She dead!!!

I don't think she was miserable as much as she was wired up to be difficult and it made for a lot of discomfort and backlash.

I think there is another side to the story, especially with her being kept from her son, that we don't know about. Would be interesting to hear the brother's full perspective, but we never will.

R366 that's a bipolar borderline.

I had no idea Miley Cyrus was such a cunt to Sinead, comparing her to the comparatively talentless Amanda Bynes.

Sinead was a true talent, her voice is underrated. Her SNL performance is one of the few truly brave moments by an entertainer. I'm a former huge Madonna fan but the way Madonna attacked Sinead during the SNL scandal revealed how much of a "feminist" she really was/is.

Kris Kristofferson was truly kind to her when the audience turned on her and she ad-libbed a shouting version of "War" ... I've always had a soft spot for Kris (and his lyrics).

Cause of death revealed yet?

Does Ladbrokes have the odds? 1 to 2 suicide; 3 to 1 overdose... oh I don't even know how to do odds. But what else could have happened? I think they would have already announced if it was a heart attack or stroke.

Good for the betting kind, I suppose, but does it really matter for the rest of us, R374? We all knew it wasn't going to end nicely for her, and it seemed like we were all powerless to help her.

[quote] [R321], she wasn't that interesting or worth the angst or curiosity. She was just another fucked up Borderline her whole life.

You do know that having any kind of mental health illness is not a choice? So what if Sinéad or anybody else has BDP, does that mean we are not allowed to feel compassion for these people? Did you ever stop to even consider what it must have been like for Sinéad to live with this for decades?

And you of all people say she was fucked up. At her worst she didn’t come close to being the complete and utter cunt that you are. For the rest of us, we can only imagine what it must be like to live in your shoes, a nasty, vile, bitter and twisted piece of nothing. And when you die you will be forgotten about in 10 minutes, because nobody likes you.

Some people who are mentally ill are assholes. Sinead was not one of those people. She didn't wantonly hurt people. She may have confronted them, but she never hurt them.

R306, excellent. From one talent performer to another!

When I first heard the news of her death I assumed it was suicide, given her well-documented mental health issues and history of previous suicide attempts.

But now I'm not so sure. All the authorities are saying is that she was found dead in a private home, that her death is "not suspicious" (i.e. not murder) and that an autopsy will be conducted, with results that may not be available for "several weeks.",

If there was a suicide note or other clear indication that it was suicide, I think they would have mentioned that. But though I'm not ruling out suicide, I think it might also be an accidental drug overdose, or perhaps due to natural causes like a heart attack.

For some reason I heard Sir Ian’s voice as I read your post. Well done.

Well done, r376. 😊

As always, Susan Dey is silent.

I think it would be a deep shock and surprise if her death was NOT suicide.

The bigger shock is that she had the ability to live and survive as long as she did. She was deeply damaged by the abuse she suffered, and then she went through a public judgment at a level that most human beings never have to endure.

She clearly suffered from bipolar disorder or emotional extremes based on the trauma she endured, and sadly, if her own son was grasping for his own mental health and/or in care at the end of his life, then the ghosts of the parent's trauma being passed down sadly continued another generation.

[quote]Kris Kristofferson was truly kind to her when the audience turned on her and she ad-libbed a shouting version of "War" ... I've always had a soft spot for Kris (and his lyrics).

I remember that moment as well, at the Dylan tribute concert at MSG, and also hold him in esteem. He is one of the great remaining American singer-songwriter-artists of his generation, and hasn't had nearly the acclaim he should have received. Lacking a Kennedy Center Honor, for one, and not likely at this point to receive it - I believe he's suffering from dementia and other health issues.

I don't know about the suicide angle. She was found "unresponsive" at home and not revived, which implies to me that she was found deceased there. It could be natural causes or even an accidental overdose; I would think if she took her own life she would have left a note or missive or some kind.

She was devastated by her son's recent death but people forget she had a younger son who is still a teen, living in Ireland possibly with his father, whom Sinead remarked that she had good relations. Wouldn't she want to stay alive for his sake? She was also a grandmother via her older children.

For what it's worth, notes are left in only a minority of successful suicides.

I'm aware of that r386, but Sinead was highly creative and (allegedly) very sensitive, one would think she'd leave behind some kind of explanation re her actions. Especially to her remaining children.

Or if no note, there would have been some kind of communication or correspondence with family or friends foreshadowing what she was planning. Her London neighbors have told the UK tabloids she was chatty, upbeat and friendly in the days before her death. Of course, people who plan suicide do often appear this way beforehand.

[quote] She was devastated by her son's recent death but people forget she had a younger son who is still a teen

I think you have the ages of her children confused. The son that died was her youngest and was 17 when he died last year. All her other children are older.

Sarah Kane didn't appear to leave a note, r387, and she was also highly creative. As I wrote in r361, most suicidal people feel almost indescribable alienation. Leaving a note -- trying to explain an act that society deems so inexplicable -- may seem absurd to them.

[quote] Her London neighbors have told the UK tabloids she was chatty, upbeat and friendly in the days before her death. Of course, people who plan suicide do often appear this way beforehand.

These people can experience those last days as a very liberating time, because the strain and conflict of the decision has passed. They're closer to being at peace.

Agree. pox on quite stupid Miley.

[quote]Lacking a Kennedy Center Honor, for one, and not likely at this point to receive it - I believe he's suffering from dementia and other health issues.

That is a damn shame re: Kristofferson. He's a true renaissance man.

Until the philosophy which hold one race

Superior and another Inferior

Is finally

And permanently

Discredited

And abandoned

Everywhere is war

Me say war

FIGHT

THE

REAL

ENEMY

She may have been unstable, but she was definitely a smart woman.

I loved looking at her photos. Enjoy.

r391 what is your statement in reference to? Not that I disagree...I hate Miley Cyrus, so yes, a pox on her is always welcome.

But I am curious. What did i miss? I'm sick at home, so it may have bypassed me or i have a poster on ignore who commented.

Michael Stipe sings Sinead

It’s mostly men who leave suicide notes. Men tend to plan it, get their affairs in order, leave a note, and commit suicide in a way that won’t fail eg hanging, throwing themselves in front of a train, blow their brains out, lock themselves in the car with the hose connected.

With women it tends to be more spur of the moment and a cry for help, eg taking an overdose. Also when someone commits suicide there is very often a history of suicide in the family. I studied suicide at university as part of my degree.

I have to say I actually would be VERY surprised if she died from "natural" causes and NOT suicide/overdose. She was a pretty tortured soul, more so after her son died.

I recalled that Sinéad actually started the beef with Miley Cyrus. Sinead said:

[quote] "I've never said that women shouldn't dress like women; what I've said is that you don't have to be naked on a wrecking ball and licking a sledgehammer," she told me at the time. "You can be very, very sexy without actually taking any of your clothes off or twerking.

Miley said:

[quote] "I think she's an incredible artist, I think she's an awesome songwriter, and I was really inspired by her for my 'Wrecking Ball' video, which was what started the whole thing," "I don't know how someone can start a fight with somebody who said, 'Hey, I really respect you. And I really love what you did.' 'You know what? You suck! I don't like you!' That was kind of crazy. But as I said, I'm a big fan of hers, so it doesn't really matter. It's all good."

I think Sinead was acting like a morality policewoman.

So it was suicide..sad

Confirmed or speculation r401?

r401 ...link?

Perhaps if Sinead had been close to her other kids, things may have been different...But alas, another lifetime... Rest in Peace Sinead

Sorry r402, I am aspeculating based on news reports

Too much to cut and paste. Very interesting.

She was damaged.

R407

R408 is damaged, too

R408

"death is not being treated as suspicious" means the reason she died is crystal clear, and that reason had nothing to do with anyone else.

R411, that phrase could also refer to an accidental overdose.

However, I tend to think it was suicide, too, since she spoke of it so often, seemingly half matter-of-factly, half longingly.

It was definitely Suicide. There is no doubt in my mind. I pray she really is at peace. ♥️

R413 Well, she's dead. Nothing exists when one is dead. So, she's not "at peace" just not alive and suffering.

R414 honestly l, I grew up in a very fundamentalist Church of Christ religious household. We were taught if you committed suicide your soul would never find peace and you would spend the rest of your days in fire and brimstone. Gnashing of teeth and living a tormented afterlife forever and ever.

Load of shit! Damn religion.

So, no it’s just not a “duh” situation.

R411 - I used to think that phrase meant the deceased had committed suicide. But Paul Cattermole's death earlier this year was described as having "no suspicious circumstances" as well, and it eventually turned out he'd died of an underlying heart condition.

No offense but even though I truly felt terrible for Sinead now everyone is sanctifying her and treating her every action like correct and right. She still said and did crazy stupid shit. And I'm not going to trash Peter Gabriel because of what an obviously not reliable narrator like her said about him.

[quote] R413] Well, she's dead. Nothing exists when one is dead. So, she's not "at peace" just not alive and suffering.

I was baptized Catholic, and have in the past few years become more devoted to my faith. Amazingly as I am getting older, my faith has strengthened and believe more than I ever did, in the afterlife

R417, I haven't read one post here which paints Sinead as a saint

Her dad, brother and kids are still alive. She seems stable enough. What happened?

She went through horrific abuse as a child. That damages a person in ways that can never be healed.

I went through severe bullying by fellow students and teachers - not abuse from family and not sexual abuse - and I still carry the scars of that today. It's a miracle she was able to function at all.

Did sinead's mother really sexually abuse her? Did any other family member ever confirm this?

R417 No one is saying things in the way you've described.

She was a fiercely intelligent woman and a true artist. I'm sorry that she was so troubled.

R388 you're wrong her son Yeshua is 15. He is her youngest son. Shane was kid 3 of 4.

[quote] And I'm not going to trash Peter Gabriel because of what an obviously not reliable narrator like her said about him.

I can believe that he treated her like "weekend pussy."

PG was probably with her when she was at her most beautiful.

PG probably realized that Sinead was too much drama but could not say no to having sex with her.

PG probably realized that their relationship meant way more to Sinead than it meant to him.

I'm not sure whether he was married at the time they had a relationship, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Am I saying she's a 100% accurate historian? No. But I think she accurately summarized their relationship.

He was not married, R426...de divorced in 1987 and didnt marry again till 2002.....from what I understood he and Sinead dated some time in the 90's.

Aren't we all just a bit surprised that she lasted until now?

She always seems a bit unstable and moments away from Thelma and Louise-ing it with Anne Heche.

Peter Gabriel is a narcissistic dirtbag.

A hot dirtbag with a huge cock, an eminently fuckable dirtbag back in the day.

But a dirtbag all the same.

#TeamSinead

Least surprising death after Betty White, afaic R428

I'm still here, bitches!

R431 Me too, you old slag!

R400 does that include the series of Amanda Bynes posts poking at her mental illness

[quote]"I've never said that women shouldn't dress like women; what I've said is that you don't have to be naked on a wrecking ball and licking a sledgehammer," she told me at the time. "You can be very, very sexy without actually taking any of your clothes off or twerking.

What people line Sinead O'Connor don't get about feminism is that it's about women having the choice to do what they want and have the careers they want. Back when Sinead first hit big, she was told she HAD to look a certain way and sell sex to have a career.

I find people who wag their fingers at people because they don't agree with their choices and are actually the worst misognynists when it comes to women being free to do what they want without being told what they have to do.

What's this about Peter Gabriel having a huge cock?

If true about PG's big cock, it's not surprising. He does seem to have BDE. After all, he did write a song about his "Sledgehammer."

I think it would be appropriate if Lourdes or even David Banda would go be with her kids at this time.

I did enjoy her crazy antics like biking around Joliet but it’s sad she’s dead

She had a bald head but she couldn't live forever

We've got a final album in the can, it seems.

After this episode, I'd be surprised if she didn't take her own life.

If it was suicide and her family doesn't want that publicised, don't they have the right to do so? Not sure how religious her family is but suicide has a stigma among traditional Catholics.

More clicks for Murdoch. Great.

R440 I remembered her mentioning that album in her book. I am glad it's mostly done.

I used to have such a crush on Peter Gabriel. Hate to think of of him as a cad, a narcissist too.

But I’m excited to learn of his big sledgehammer!

That video at R441 is heartbreaking

Living in a Travelodge in New Jersey would push anyone over the edge.

I do remember Sinéad saying in an interview many many years ago that she basically stalked Peter Gabriel and completely freaked him out. It was something along those lines anyway. That sounds like it would be par for the course really.

For UK readers Sky Arts TV channel have the Sinéad documentary on tonight at 9pm.

Thank you, R447, I didn't know that was on.

Ok, let's get to the important part, did she leave any money?

She must have had some money, she had her residuals from her music (she wrote a lot of her own material, which is where the money is). She was living in a top-floor newly re-developed apartment in South London, in a what seems to me a middle to upper-middle class area. So, not poor by any means.

There will be some estate to divide, not much by rock star standards but some. She left a minor child behind - her youngest son - so there will have to be provisions made there, foremost.

Don't know how far back, but she gave instructions to her kids to immediately call her accountant if she died. Smart lass.

I’m thinking now that it might be suicide.

In today’s Guardian newspaper there is an interview with an ex boyfriend. He talks about the wonderful year they spent together in 97/98. At the bottom of the interview it states the author is donating his fee from this article to Paprus UK suicide prevention.

Poor Sinead. RIP.

[QUOTE] Ok, let's get to the important part, did she leave any money?

If you have to ask, then you already know there was little to none.

Wouldn't there be residuals to be paid on the sale of her music? Well, I'll leave all that up to her accountant but I'm glad to hear there probably won't be some tacky dispute over who gets what (I'm assuming with a professional accountant involved, her wishes were clearly made known).

Each of her four marriages lasted less than 2 years.

[quote] Well, I'll leave all that up to her accountant

Oh, ok, R455, that's nice of you - they were probably wanting you to intervene.

I guess she was not close with any of her kids except the one who died last year. How sad

What caused the bald Micks demise?

She wasn't a Mick, she was a Heeb.

I’m feel sad for her but I wish she had the good sense not to breed. Or at least not to keep having kids as her mental health declined

charmed I'm sure

She really did try her best.

When her son died last year, she was completely wrecked. Although it's not confirmed, I believe she killed herself - one year to the day her son died.

I often think of her song "Stretched On Your Grave" and how many times she performed it - and if it may have influenced her decision.

Sinead is a legend. Her first album is just brilliant. Check it out. I know she lost her way, but damn - she had a rough life and she tried to warn others and protect people.

Love her - so sad she's gone.

R464, Sinead's son committed suicide in January 2022. So no, it's "one year to the day."

Interesting clip from 2021, with Sinead answering questions on fame, talent, God, and social media.

R463 Wow, thanks for posting that. What a beautiful thing to do, she obviously had a big heart.

Reading this article makes me think it was suicide. The author donated his fee to a suicide charity.

^ I love that Sinead was a fan of Father Ted!

Her being openly suicidal for years and years led me to believe it was suicide.

Has anyone considered that Sinead killed herself? Just putting it out there.

Roisin Murphy and MC Lyte, among others.......

still no definitive word?

She seems warm, grounded and intelligent in the Penguin video at R466.

Allegedly, they're still trying to figure out a day/time of death.

Fuck you for posting that trash right wing link, R475.

r476 - was it? I didn't realize that, I'm not a right wing whacko by any means. I just did a search for "Sinead O'Connor" in Google and used the time tool for the last hour.

Sorry.

No need to apologize R477. Ignore the rude prisspot.

I notice that sometimes mentally ill people see through con artists and sociopaths more quickly than the rest of us. Perhaps because of trauma they are more on heightened alert of such cunts.

‘Sinéad believed me when no one else would and she saw that I was an honest person. If she had not tracked me down I probably would have died or walked into the sea,’ Ms Jackson Craft said.

‘Her kindness and her good heart and the inspiration that she was to me… that she could be so humble having achieved so much and having been through so much and she still had the time to look out for someone like me who she didn’t even know. She saved my life because she gave me a job when I was at the lowest point of my life and she gave me the space and respect so that I could heal my own trauma,’ she said.

Well?

Wow that story at r480 is really touching

Something must be said about the fact that the child she was closest to was the one most damaged and who committed suicide. Sad. RIP

Where did she reside most of the time? The US?

R484 in Ireland

But she had moved recently to London, to the Herne Hill neighbourhood.

Thanks R486. Where was she before she moved?

Roscommon, rural Ireland and before that Wicklow, also rural Ireland.

Has Enya commented?

She was in Howth and Bray, both Dublin suburbs.

Slightly surprised John Grant hasn't posted anything, given that he and Sinéad recorded and toured together, and even with tongue-in-cheek, credited her as "Mrs John Grant" on Pale Green Ghosts. But then again, he's a very private guy and I'd understand if that he'd want to grieve in solitude.

Perhaps he's not grieving in solitude, r491, but with the real people in his life, and doesn't feel the need to rush to social media to put out a statement or make a public show of grieving.

Yes, you're likely correct.

[quote]Has Enya commented?

Yes.

In English?

Google translate is your friend.

You’re my friend. You look it up.

Sinead and Kylie do the Eurythmics

[quote]Sinéad’s sophomore album, I Do Not Want What I Haven’t Got, came out in 1990. This album title came to her in a dream. So first Sinéad had gone to a medium, and through the medium had spoken to her mother, who’d been dead at this point for a year and a half. And her mother asked for forgiveness, for all the pain she’d caused her children, but Sinéad’s older sister, Éimear, could not forgive her mother. That night Sinéad’s mother comes to her in a dream, and Sinéad says she’s sorry that Éimear can’t forgive her, and their mother just says, “I do not want what I haven’t got.” Because she knew she didn’t deserve forgiveness.

[quote]So that’s the album title, and the last song on the album. The first song on the album is called “Feels So Different.” It is also about her mother.

[quote]What drives this album, and seems to drive the whole of Sinéad O’Connor’s career, is the realization that forgiving someone can feel heavier than not forgiving someone. Or maybe it’s just that her forgiveness will feel heavier to you.

Interesting

I love that video, r498. Thanks for posting it.

My ass!

Sinéad with the kiddos from the PS22 Choir singing "Jackie". Singing starts about 3 minutes in. I'm still crying.

It's a bit sad that I'm finding out all these wonderful things about Sinead after her death. I was always an admirer of her singing and performance, and knew she was an activist as well, but the MSM's coverage of her tended toward the sensational and that colored my view of her (unfortunately).

The link at r502 is amazing, really. And the stories coming out about her generosity to others, the terminally ill woman and her charity work. It's a shame that wasn't highlighted more often when she was alive.