Indictment Day II - Georgia On My Mind

Previous thread

Thank you, Elderlez

I am waiting for this indictment to happen!!

Thanks for the thread! Georgia is supposed to hit in August, right?

Yes, although it might immediately be put on hold pending the resolution of the Florida case.

Yes, August. I don’t think Fani Willis is going to let it be put on hold. She and Tish James don’t appear to agree on whether the States ought to put aside their cases pending the federal case outcome and, given how Presidential pardons work, I’m team Fani on this.

Why not just use the Treason legacy threads?

Thanks, ElderLez!

Why doesn't FCI post in these threads?

It’s OK with me if we all just want to post in the treason threads for now and re-open this one when the actual next indictment drops. I was asked to start a second thread, and I was happy to do, but I won’t be offended at all if folks post there instead.

No, I am sorry. I was just wondering why those guys don’t post in here.

Please stay in this thread. Sorry for the stupid questions about the Treason threads.

Does anyone know anything about these supposedly anti-Trump accounts on Twitter?

[quote]'They heard what he knew': Legal expert says Trump’s lawyers have become 'the most crucial witnesses'

They post and repost tons of negative stuff about Trump, but about every 20th one is actually negative toward President Biden or other Democrats.

I'm wondering if it's all some kind of scam in favor of Trump.

R12- That account just posts stories all day from different news sites. It may even be a bot .

TuckFrump hahahah

Another one of those accounts:

[quote]BREAKING: Trump Jr.’s ex-girlfriend drops bombshell, reveals that Trump Jr. met her at a gay club where “every” man “was in a g-string or less,” and Trump Jr. was “so comfortable” that they “ended up having sex in the gay club’s bathroom.”

[quote]But it gets even worse for Trump Jr…

[quote]His ex, Audrey O'Day Monday, declared that she decided to go public with her experience because homophobe Trump Jr. “makes all kinds of jokes belittling the gay community and transgender women” — so she decided to expose him.

[quote]Even worse for Trump Jr., she then accused him of having “trauma” from the “desperate need to please his father,” even though “his father was never pleased enough with him” no matter what he did.

[quote]So there you have it, folks. While Trump Junior spends all day sucking up to Republican bigots — in reality it’s all a show that he puts on to please his father’s homophobic base. Simply deplorable.

I don't remember this story on DL.

Any news?

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

^Lin Wood is retiring and all disbarment and disciplinary proceedings are dismissed.

White male privilege?

This is what i find VERY scary. The second quarter numbers are in and Trump has raised $39M versus $19M raised in the 1st quarter. We have problems. MAJOR PROBLEMS!

R19, yes, that’s definitely concerning, but don’t forget, that money is probably not going to his re-election but to illegal stuff like his lawyers and his bills.

I’m not too concerned. No matter what, Dump hasn’t been able to make up what he lost by in 2020, plus those who left him after Jan. 6.

Supposedly, grand jury in Georgia today?

From yesterday...

Trump asked his judge pal to move the trial until after November 2024?

Farron...

Nicolle is discussing this with Mr. Kirschner right now.

Trump confirms receiving a target letter Sunday night re Jan 6 and whatever Jack Smith is working on.

[quote]whatever Jack Smith is working on

My xmas wish-list naturally.

Breaking News: 16 people who signed certificates falsely claiming Trump won Michigan in 2020 have been charged with state crimes

Take ALL assets and DRIVE THEM INTO BANKRUPTCY!

Trump's stooge judge didn't push the trial until after the election after all.

❤️ Michigan!

Is this significant?

I’d say probably yes.

We need some movement in this thread!

^Well, R32 IS movement! Kerik a convicted and jailed crook that was pardoned by Tump? That's big if he's turned on him.

Don't get your hopes up about Kerik.

He turned over two thousand pages though so…..

r37 - I know, ElderLez, but I just heard Glenn Kirschner talking about it and he wasn't entirely optimistic about it providing any kind of smoking gun. It's Kerik, so...

Well, if he got a deal, then Jack Smith has something worthwhile on Kerick.

Probably not a smoking gun, but perhaps documents that corroborate other witnesses stories?. I believe Kerik and Giuliani may still be bff, no?

I think of the UK and what happened with BREXIT. I watch what is currently happening in Israel. It's unbelievable what has happened in Italy, Poland, and a few other places. France is under attack. Only Spain has provided a glimmer of hope. But... while I still have hope for the USA that hope is dampening.

[quote] I still have hope for the USA

You do?

Is there a news link for this supposed Rudy news?

tick

Something's gonna drop tomorrow, either the Georgia one or the D.C. one.

[quote] Something's gonna drop tomorrow

A big load in Trump's diaper.

No, that oozes and seeps r47.

Both dropping tomorrow would force the backlash to spread in two directions at once, so probably the smart thing to do for both Jack and Fani.

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I keep hoping that something will happen to shut the old gas bag up.

My prediction? Thursday after the stock market closes for the next round of indictments to be announced. Dump required to appear next Tuesday in court. Could be DC—could be Fulton County. Could be both!

That sounds plausible, r52. We'll probably know a day or two beforehand when the indictments will drop by monitoring his Truth Social account. Right before the superseding indictments, he was babbling on about J6 and curiously, totally off topic brought up Biden's 100s of thousands of documents. Andrew Weissman and a couple of other legal observers on Twitter speculated he'd received a target letter from Jack Smith. Bingo!

r53 Trump doesn't know exactly when the indictment(s) will drop. Remember how he got blindsided by the Florida one because the media was reporting the jury won't meet that particular week? He was in a good mood, thinking Jack decided against it, and then he almost went nuts when the indictment did drop.

He said a couple of days ago that it might come at any moment, and that's still the case.

All of the signs were pointing to today being the day, quite disappointing. I wanna see that worm squirm for what he put us through on a daily basis for those four years. The fucking turd.

R55, they could be waiting for the markets to close.

Supposedly in 15 minutes!

r56 You're right, apparently it's happening!

Well??????

Bloomberg and The Independent are reporting that Trump expects to be indicted this evening.

Woohoo…less than 5 minutes! Get your champagne ready!

Will Fox be reporting on this indictment at all? Maybe a brief blurb in between rants about the Barbie movie or Hunter Biden's cock.

Statement from Jack Smith coming up soon

Don't worry Georgia Indictment thread, your time is coming!

I specifically set the table for State-Federal-State-Federal indictments. Now you’ve messed up my seating plans Jack Smith.

I dunno ElderLez, State-Federal-Federal-State makes for a nice table as well.

JACK SMITH IS A CORRUPT THUG! THEY'RE COMING AFTER YOU NEXT!

ElderLez et al, I am commenting because I want to follow this thread. I very much appreciate your commentary.

Elder Lez… chef’s kiss.

Thanks, ElderLez

Loving the fact TFG will have to stand in front of D/Judge Tanya Chutkan in DC. The orange blob will be spitting tacks......a black woman ruling over him...

Awwww…

Anyway Thursday!!!! I am going to be on pins and needles.

Also, while I am resigned to the disappointment of him not facing sedition or insurrection charges, Jack Smith has already demonstrated his willingness to issue a superseding indictment.

Complete statement from Special Counsel Jack Smith on Trump Indictment

The Biden administration is in place to restore value in American democracy. The previous administration has harmed the standing of the US on the world's stage. Incarcerating a former POTUS will reduce the standing of the country further.

Dump should be turned loose but everyone else who helped him belongs in prison. He did not do any of this on his own.

R73 blocked.

R74 also blocked since the same poster.

What is dump? A Pat Sajack type of guy. A game show host. He didn't belong on the international stage or in the oval office because he accomplished even less than a Pat Sajack.

R77 Trump Apologist.

So… will Georgia hand down indictments on Thursday? Will we see Dump plotz when he walks up the steps of the courthouse?

Here is one example of why dump didn't belong on the international stage as POTUS

Georgia’s between Florida and DC. If he has to be in Washington on Thursday why not Atlanta on Friday?

And here's another example

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Giuliani confirmed as Co-Conspirator 1 in Trump 2020 indictment

Georgia Trump prosecutor: Charges are "ready to go"

Dump had help

R86.

Thoughts on order of the trials? I think this one goes first and Cannon curses herself for not agreeing to a December start.

[quote]Cannon curses herself

I like how you think.

[quote]Cannon curses herself

I like how you think.

In my opinion the media is being irresponsible in naming the judge

Well, r91, how was that going to be hidden? Especially if it's televised.

How long before Dump says something racist about this judge?

How many times has maga already threatened this judge?

I've heard they might be juggling the FL and GA trial schedules around to prioritize the DC trial? Has anybody else heard this?

They aren't taking Trump's 3rd indictment well, at all

[quote]They aren't taking Trump's 3rd indictment well, at all

Well they'd fucking better get used to it because sounds like #4 happens tomorrow.

[quote]How long before Dump says something racist about this judge?

Not just Trump. They're chomping at the bit. I'm on twitter (or whatever it's called these days) unfortunately and one can easily read that many of the unwashed want to "go there" but they are impatiently holding their powder.

Wisconsin plays a key role in the prosecution against former President Trump, according to Special Counsel Jack Smith's indictment.

The indictment, unsealed Tuesday, alleges that a plan to use false electors to certify Trump as president in 2020 "capitalized" on ideas from a co-conspirator who was helping Trump's campaign with recount efforts in Wisconsin.

The indictment names Wisconsin and six other states where alleged false electors signed fraudulent electoral votes as part of Trump and conspirators' plans to certify him as president

Trump’s Threat to Democracy Is Now Systemic

Each time GOP leaders have had the opportunity to move away from Trump, the party has sped past the off-ramp.

Let dump go free. Put this ⬇ in prison

There’s plenty of room in prison for all of them.

LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP!!!

[quote]There’s plenty of room in prison for all of them.

And if it becomes a problem, we can always build more.

As an alternative, we could have them build their own.

If this really is a pivot to “put everyone who worked with/for Trump in jail and let him go free” as the talking point that’s….interesting. You can smell the flop sweat through the internet.

HAPPY THURSDAY everyone! It’s a beautiful day for Democracy and the rule of law.

r99 r100 r101

Any thoughts about a 90 day trial?

I’m for it ElderLez! But the courts have always given the benefit of delaying to the defendant, so I can see all of these trials dragging on.

Us vs. Trump

It's not a piviot, it's an opinion

Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene urges her Republican supporters to turn to God instead of watching the news, following former President Donald Trump’s third indictment.

R110 r111 r112

Piviot may be my new favorite word.

It's not a pivot, its an opinion

It's a floor wax *and* a dessert topping.

R116- I’ll squirt some on your floor mop, and some on my butterscotch pudding! And just look at that shine!

R112, surely M. Traitor Greene and her MAGA mates must realise the 'witnesses' in the DC are all Republicans. It's of their own making. Hopefully the penny has dropped.

Will we ever find out who planted the Jan. 6 pipe bomb? Or is the FBI like “bygones” at this point.

[quote]Will we ever find out who planted the Jan. 6 pipe bomb?

Most crimes go unsolved in this country.

I just read on MSN that Trump was pissed because the judge called him Mr Trump and he hates that. Everyone at Maralago and the NJ golf club are instructed to refer to him as "President Trump". He is such a delusional fucker.

Wait until they start addressing him as Inmate #720553.

You are no longer the President, bitch! What part of that do you not understand????

Donald's irritation at being addressed as "Mr. Trump" by a Jamaican woman...makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.

Trump's Lawyer went on Faux thoughts (Laura Bitchface) after being in court and blabbed his mouth off....totally incriminating TFG. Lawrence O'Donnell went thru this fact on his show. INTERESTING.

^^“What President Trump said is, ‘Let’s go with option D,'” Lauro told Laura Ingraham. “Let’s just halt, let’s just pause the voting and allow the state legislatures to take one last look and make a determination as to whether or not the elections were handled fairly. That’s constitutional law. That’s not an issue of criminal activity.”

O’Donnell was beside himself.

“That is a Trump criminal defense lawyer quoting Donald Trump committing a crime,” O’Donnell said. “Donald Trump’s criminal defense lawyer tonight added information to [Special Counsel] Jack Smith’s 42-page description of Donald Trump’s crimes. The conversation that John Lauro just described appears on page 34 of the indictment against his client.”

But Trump just got some bad advice from his lawyers. He's innocent!

I know what you mean, R124 . But instead of giggling like a school girl, I've been cackling like The Wicked Witch of The West!

Inside the courtroom.

The Musical

Trump was suffering from flatulence in the sketch. He has terrible gas from all the diet cokes he consumes.

I read somewhere that Trump's lawyers filed a last ditch appeal to reverse a decision of a lower court in Georgia to stop the prosecution. So if this is true, it might delay the announcement of charges today. I think they were planning to do it today. Personally since I live in ATL, I wish they'd do it for some time during the work week. If those MAGAt fuckers have to go to work they can't come down to protest. Announcing it on a Friday afternoon, allows the fuckers Saturday and Sunday to raise hell.

I heard that it would be next week now.

Betcha Marjorie Taylor Greene comes down to Fulton County Courthouse with the bed of her pick up truck filled with MAGAts armed with automatic rifles. I would not want to be a cop on that day. Hopefully Georgia's asswipe governor will have state troopers on hand. I'm telling you, the MAGAts here in GA are vile people. Even more so that in other places. Not as vile as Texas, no. Not as vile as Florida. But vile none the less.

There may be too many credible threats of danger, EL/r133?

No, R135, the credible threats have been ongoing. The reason it was postponed is because Trump's lawyers filed an appeal. It's a delaying tactic.

Large Marge is furiously rubbing her engorged clit, thinking about Donald Trump's defense!

That scrotal-skinned hag better be using at least a half dozen of the few brain cells she has to consider her own legal defense, because she's going to need more than her retarded conspiracy theories when she goes to trial.

I beg your pardon, I happen to like scrotal skin.

MTG is the DNC/RNC pipe bomber.

Scrotal skin is a beautiful thing, R139...when it's encasing your nads. Not so beautiful when it's your entire complexion.

Oh honey, your skin makes the Rockie Mountains look like chiffon velvet.

Pile the indictments high on a platter.

I can't believe the guy in this thread who wants Trump to go free. MAGA trash pretending to be gay.

^ Cover 'em with ketchup so that fat old orange bastard will find them appetizing!

i'm bumping this thread so we DON'T START ANOTHER THREAD when the Georgia indictments are announced.

I admire your optimism, R146.

Are we sure they’re coming next week and not this week?

CNN says next week in story published today:

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is expected to seek more than a dozen indictments when she presents her case regarding efforts by Donald Trump and his allies to overturn the 2020 presidential election results in Georgia before a grand jury next week.

More than a dozen! That Fani Willis is my kinda gal.

Can't wait! Get those traitors, Ms. Willis!

Her case is RICO She is my homegirl....

RICO, my dream statute! This is all too much good news. Giuliani must be charged if it’s RICO. He started his career with a RICO prosecution, let him end his career on the other end of one.

Randy Rainbow if you are out there, I’d really like a RICO sweaty song set to RIco Suave to celebrate.

What about Lindsey?

Betcha Fani is going to charge several locally, including Jody Hice, former member of Congress, and maybe if god is good, MTG!!!! I wonder if the Lt. Governor will get indicted? He has dirty hands. Then you have the fake electors, Rudy, Lindsey, and Donnie, the big cheese. Did Trump send any lawyers down here like Sidney Powell or one of those others? That little blonde honey, Ellis? Rudy's girl? Yeehaw!

You know, I live in Georgia. I can't even tell you the dark fantasies that run through my mind. Snipers, poison pens, etc.

"Nancy Drew And The Secret Memo"

So that's why Musk took over Twitter: to shield Tweety's account history.

Ruh-roh, Jack going after Trump's PAC money. I hope he's living in a bunker somewhere.

R159, it keeps getting better and better.

Be still my beating heart.

Flop sweat.

Why should the federal DOJ have all the fun?

Georgia asset forfeiture link

How said Jared would be if his two billion were seized.

All that money TFG grifted off the numbnuts for the big lie, was obtained by fraud. Go Jack....get 'em.

You better believe that Donnie and his family have transferred funds to make sure the Feds never seize them. He probably put some stuff in BArron's name, and JAred has his hidden somewhere too.

^ Ze shoould not look inside poosey. I haf no money in zere but iz large space, full of rhoom.

[quote]You better believe that Donnie and his family have transferred funds to make sure the Feds never seize them.

They're very good at tracking down people's money. And if he gets any kind of deal in any of his cases, he will probably have to disclose every dime he's got. If he lies and gets caught (which he is certainly stupid enough to try), any such deal goes out the window.

"Harassment of Fulton poll workers could be subject of Trump indictments

Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss received death threats after 2020 election..."

Jennifer Rubin, who I often agree with wrote a column in the WaPo criticizing Fani Willis if the rumor is true that she is handing out more than 12 indictments. She insists it will be faster and easier to get a conviction if she has a shorter list. Like Jack Smith focusing on just Trump. I disagree. Because IMO, Fani will be indicting local folk, Georgians, and you absolutely cannot ignore Lindsey and Rudy who had their hands all over the damned mess. They had direct contact with the SoS and fake electors as well. So it's impossible to ignore them. I understand where Smith is coming from, but I think Fani's situation is different.

I really, REALLY hope Lady Lindzeybelle is indicted. Her drunken, crying hissy fit will be epic!

"'Derogatory and false’: Fulton DA denies rumors circulated by Trump

Fani Willis expected to seek indictment against Trump in week ahead"

"Journalist who observed GOP electors subpoenaed in Fulton Trump case"

"Democratic former state lawmakers subpoenaed in Fulton’s Trump probe"

[QUOTE]This is all too much good news. Giuliani must be charged if it’s RICO. He started his career with a RICO prosecution, let him end his career on the other end of one.

What a poetic bookend to a very strange career. I'd love to hear from law school classmates and colleagues from his early career. Did the foresee his trajectory or note qualities that would lead an officer of the court to such criminality? And for NOTHING. Zip, zilch, no payment. I just read that a Trump PAC funneled $30M to his lawyers while Rudy drowns in legal bills and ex-wife AND ex-mistress bills.

Good lord, the alcohol really pickled him.

AND hair-dye bills.

You know some of my long time NYC friends had a theory about Rudy. First of all he was never "America's Mayor."He was always a POS. Always. Now the theory they had, is that Rudy went after Gotti and the Italian mobsters at the behest of the Russian mobsters. He was in their pocket. He was owned by the Russian mob. They were ascendant once Rudy moved the Italians out of the way. When you look at his many visits to Ukraine, including after 9/11, and his "clients" and his business deals, and his long time association with Trump who was also mobbed up, it makes sense.

[quote]some of my long time NYC friends had a theory about Rudy. First of all he was never "America's Mayor."He was always a POS.

That's true. It was all about timing.

Giuliani was despised before 9/11. Remember when he tried to extend his stay in the mayor’s role past the election? Everyone was, “no way in hell.”

Abner Louima can tell you what kind of Mayor Rudy was. And Bernie as his Police chief? Yeah.

If you can't reach Louim, try Patrick Dorismond's family. Rudy demonized their son.

[quote]Remember when he tried to extend his stay in the mayor’s role past the election?

And "somehow" Bloomberg was able to. So much for the two-term only law....

R182, yes Bloomberg did. Difference is people liked Bloomberg and thought he was a good mayor.

Was Bloomberg ever a mean-spirited attention-seeking sociopath?

Not shocked mon(k)ey-boy Kerik is being questioned by the Specal Counsel. Did he ever suffer any consequences from his crooked association with Rudy, et al. back in the day? I recall he was the main character in a Law & Order SVU ripped from the headlines episode years ago, but can't remember details.

There's a very good documentary on MSNBC about Rudy. You can probably find it on demand still. He was always a POS, pitting one group against another, like ginning up race riots with the police at city hall (in 1992, if I'm remembering correctly). I think R177's theory about him working for the Russian mob is correct.

Bump it...

"Georgia prosecutors have messages showing Trump’s team is behind voting system breach"

Please let this be the week.

"Fulton County DA to present Trump election subversion case to grand jury early next week...

An Atlanta-area prosecutor has notified at least two witnesses to appear before a grand jury early next week, the most significant indication of her intention to seek indictments in the investigation of how Donald Trump and others tried to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia.

Former Georgia Lt. Gov Geoff Duncan, a Republican, said Saturday on CNN that he has been told to appear Tuesday before a Fulton County grand jury to testify about the efforts by Trump and his allies..."

Looks like Tuesday.

Is the indictment of Trump on Tuesday? Or more gathering witness testimony on Tuesday?

C'mon Indictment Duck, do your job!

Can’t wait.

Lindseybelle, you in danger gurl!

Wow, Fani Willis is not playing. This news is major. I always felt that they breached data but this is confirmation. Proof. Damn.

No, she’s not, r195.

She takes it as a PERSONAL affront that this traitorous fool and his minions tried to STEAL her vote and the people in her county’s vote. That his minions attacked one of her constituents and drove them from their home.

She wants Justice for these attacks against HER DISTRICT and her state. She is really going to blow people’s minds when you seethe evidence she has.

She is fucking stone cold PISSED and is about to bring some Big Hurt Wrath of God type shit down on this criminal conspiracy.

This week is gonna be good. I'm tired of the nipple circling. WE NEED MOAR INDICTMENTS!!!!

That's good. I'm gonna use that sometime, R197...."..I'm tired of .nipple circling..."

How greedy we've become - three indictments and we're still hungry for more!

Greedy...for JUSTICE.

I think they need to change the rule about Presidents can't be prosecuted. IMO yes, I know it will be abused, and we would need to establish criteria for what justifies the appointment of a SP, so it wasn't arbitrary, but if a Special Prosecutor finds evidence of a crime...as Mueller certainly did, then he should have been stopped. Prosecuted back then.

Trump is a slippery POS. I want to know that if the New York case doesn’t result in jail time and a future Republican president pardons the federal charges, he’ll be out of club fed and into a hot Georgia jail.

If you have a corrupt AF AG like bloated Billy, then they will bury the evidence. As Barr did.

That fat, vile shitstain needs to be prosecuted for obstruction and as an accessory to treason.

r191 - I just read that the former lieutenant governor is one of the witnesses to testify on Tuesday. George Conway retweeted someone who said (paraphrasing) "in other words, expect an indictment by the end of the day."

[QUOTE] Is the indictment of Trump on Tuesday? Or more gathering witness testimony on Tuesday?

Could be both happening on Tuesday.

I served on a grand jury (in D.C.). We saw witnesses and voted to indict (the foreman signed a true bill) on that case the same day.

Shaye Moss…I always thought she had grounds to file a suit against Trump for publicly lying and slandering her by calling her a hustler, hiding votes, and other lies. When she and her mother testified during the January 6 hearings, I said to myself that a woman somewhere will take this fucker and his gang of thugs down, one limb, one branch at a time. Trump really likes to blow off his foul mouth, but his treatment of women is particularly fucked up! But, I don’t care who takes this guy down, man , woman, or anybody in between.

So… stupid question, as I’m confused about the Grand Jury stuff. I’m assuming they’ve been reviewing evidence for awhile? So what is special about being in session next Tuesday? I thought Grand Juries spend weeks, if not months, on cases.

Politically Fani has the Governor breathing down her neck and a LOT of pressure from MAGAt state legislators. The fucking Lt. Governor of GA was an election denier who participated in the fucking insurrection at some level. I hope people appreciate how much courage it takes to do what Fani Willis is doing. She is moving deliberately and thoroughly and not rushing. This is purposeful and proper. She will be able to defend every single thing that she has done. Absolute integrity.

What Fani Willis has been working on for the people of her district, for her state, and for America, is truly historical in scope. And, I believe she --and Democracy-- will prevail. As will Special Counsel Smith. And Alvin Bragg and Leticia James.

All the MAGAt threats and shouting, all the whining and lying, can't stop it now.

And when we vote next, we will throw the remaining, rotting leftovers of Donald Trump's "movement" into the garbage where they belong.

She's amazing. And they're incredibly stupid to commit crimes in Georgia. We were founded as a penal colony and hard as shit on criminals

All criminals are stupid. If they were smart, they wouldn't commit crimes.

R209, I applaud the hard work and the tenacity of James and Smith, and Bragg, but in NY it's not as difficult to go after Trump. In D.C. It's not as difficult to go after Trump. But in Georgia it is a whole different world. Truly. I live here and you have no idea how ugly, and mean and dangerous it gets. Fani WIllis is literally navigating through a minefield. I admire and respect all of them, but IMO, she is truly an heroic figure. Seriously.

I just watched an MSNBC - “Trump Indictment” special, hosted by Ari Melber, with DL fave prosecutors Andrew Weissman and Mary McCord. Andrew comes right out and says Trump, is going to do jail time. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I was floored, because I find him smart, but also cautious with his words. Fine with me. After the Georgia indictment he’ll face over 100 felony charges.

R213 - As ElderLez pointed out, theoretically, if Trump is indicted on Federal charges, either he (if re-elected) or a GQP president could pardon or commute those sentences. If found guilty of GA charges, he would be transferred from Fed confinement to a less-than-desirable state penitentiary. I'm not as familiar with NY state charges or if he's really in peril of imprisonment there. Is Weisselberg still willing to suffer for him after his jail time?

R213 - As ElderLez pointed out, theoretically, if Trump is indicted on Federal charges, either he (if re-elected) or a GQP president could pardon or commute those sentences. If found guilty of GA charges, he would be transferred from Fed confinement to a less-than-desirable state penitentiary. I'm not as familiar with NY state charges or if he's really in peril of imprisonment there. Is Weisselberg still willing to suffer for him after his jail time?

SparkNotes, for those who need them:

"Battleground: Ballot Box | Why Trump's grand election plan now goes to a grand jury"

Trump ought to be less worried about the Federal charges than the state charges. And Georgia has laws about when and how a felon gets pardoned so there's no magic wand no escape hatch. LOL! And Georgia Prisons are worse than you can even imagine. He's fucked. Thank God, for Fani Willis. IMO I would safely bet she has had some back door conversations with the governor and the Secretary of State. You can fuck with a lot of things, you can steal money, and be corrupt, and yes, they will gerrymander, and they will suppress and the parties will use the usual campaign tactics to intimidate. But the process itself is sacrosanct. And Georgia, most of all does not want to be embarrassed before the world. Georgia is very serious about projecting an image that doesn't bring back memories of the bad old South.

"Battleground: Ballot Box | Why Trump's grand election plan now goes to a grand jury"

Yessss. But, also NO. I want him to worry over everything. I want it all to eat away at him, every second of every one of his days. And after he goes to prison, I still want it to eat away at him.

For years and years.

Sorry, I meant to quote this: "Trump ought to be less worried about the Federal charges than the state charges", from R217 in post R218.

Also, well said R217.

[quote] And Georgia Prisons are worse than you can even imagine. He's fucked.

I’m sure Georgia has country club prisons like every other state.

From a political perspective Georgia is thriving economically by attracting all kinds of jobs and industry to the state. But indoing so they are a victim of their own success. They aren't attracting the "right kind of people." So the state is definitely going to turn blue. Metro Atlanta, Savannah, the surrounding counties, have such an international mix it's hard to hang on to the "old ways." try as they may. People like Marjorie Taylor Green are dinosaurs....in more ways than one.

He’s looking great!

Mmmn Thanks R222 I'm flicking my clit as I type!

R198 I can't take credit for the nipple circling comment, credit goes to the Stephanie Miller Show.

R222 Do you have a turkey wattle fetish?

OMG the Georgia charges against Trump were posted when DL was down and then removed; 12 regular felonies, plus one serious RICO felony.

Who screwed up?

It was nothing nefarious. It was a draft document and a clerk made a mistake and then took it down.

Trump tells a witness 'not to testify' in Georgia grand jury. Time to detain Trump pending trial.

My wife is asking me to ask DL if Andrew Weissman is gay. (Sorry if I should know this)

He's very good at keeping his private life private which is a good thing given his profession

Indictments just dropped — 10 counts.

He sounds like a mincing prisspot. I am totally shocked that he isn't family.

R230, he's married to a woman, but he's been on the suspect list for a long time.

Thank you DL

And thank you Georgia!

NYT:

[quote] The Fulton County clerk said the grand jury returned 10 indictments, but it’s important to remember that this grand jury has been empaneled for weeks, hearing evidence in a number of cases. It’s possible the jurors had more than the Trump case to vote on today.

I’m not sure what that means r236, in terms of relevance.

It’s a further elaboration on r232

Rachel and Hillary together on this night of all nights...Heaven.

Isn't "number of cases" referring to the other co-conspirators? It's still all connected to Trump.

R237, grand juries, which are empaneled for a long period of time, can hear evidence in several wholly unrelated matters. In addition to the Trump stuff, they might have heard evidence relating to a cryptocurrency fraud. In theory, therefore, they may have handed down eight charges related to Trump and his co-conspirators and two indictments in the hypothetical crypto fraud case.

R230 I thought so for a long time, but he isn't. I think he's married to a woman.

[quote][R230] I thought so for a long time, but he isn't. I think he's married to a woman.

Which doesn't mean anything...

At least one of the indictments is related to the election probe.

-cnn, 10:45 pm

Mmph...

Smell her...

Trump officially indicted!!!

Giuliani too!

19 total indictees.

Link r247, cite your source you filthy whore.

R248, cite you mother fucker! No no no disinformation.

This isn’t a peer reviewed journal you silly bitch

[quote]Giuliani too!

And Mark Meadows.

41 total charges.

Lol and Jenna Ellis , that smug bitch!

Once AGAIN, black women to America’s rescue!

Fuck off r251. We have a goddamn tradition here. That’s how it’s DONE, that’s *how* we stop rumors and get facts cunt.

R254 amen amen amen!!!!! Black women are so strong. All the suffering that is baked into their DNA/culture makes them incredibly strong human beings. Yes, I’m generalizing, so what.

R255 has stated her boundaries!

"Robert J. Costello, Giuliani’s lawyer in the federal investigation into election interference, declined to comment on Tuesday night, explaining that he would not be representing Giuliani in the Georgia case."

HA HA HA

"The indictment referenced harassment of election worker Ruby Freeman, who testified at the House select committee investigating Trump’s efforts to stay in power."

GOOD GOOD GOOD

"Rudy Giuliani, who rose to power as a tough-on-crime prosecutor and was dubbed “America’s Mayor” after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, was indicted on an array of charges, including racketeering and making false statements."

GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY

That paper released erroneously early today was right on point. Even though the clerk said it was fictitious.

Let's also note that a former Assistant/Acting Attorney General Jeffery Clark was indicted under RICO. LOLOLOLOL!!!

Play stupid games...

It is unbelievable to me that so many people went along with Trump's schemes and probably came up with some of their own. Why? Were they too stupid to see he's nothing but a liar and doesn't give a shit about anyone else. They all deserve whatever punishment they receive.

The hypocrisy of Georgia and all these other red states: "We're not going to break the law and steal the election. No. We'll pass laws that insure that we "win" the elections."

Georgia is a red state, R263?

R257, how long have you been here? Don’t you want the biggest story of our lifetime told with any accuracy? Or do you prefer your news in the manner of Ted Cruz? You enjoy Putin-esque reporting of this news?

What are ya gonna do?

R263, Georgia is not a person. Georgia cannot be guilty of hypocrisy. I'm a fan of poetic devices, but not in this time of grave danger to our democracy.

It is Republicans who are the hypocrites. Republicans who fraudulently signed documents claiming to be legitimate Electors of the Electoral College. Republicans who brazenly attempted to physically acquire voting machines after votes were cast on them. Republicans who threatened poll workers, attempted to extort government officials into committing election fraud, and lied---AND CONTINUE TO LIE---about the factual vote counts.

AND SO ON. CALL THESE MF SPADES A MF SPADE.

Indictments galore and I'm ready for more!

R262, they went along with him because they’re delusional, greedy bastards, JUST like him.

Honestly? That’s as rudimentary as the explanation gets.

These are AWFUL people. There’s not much to it, other than that.

Some of the voters are genuinely racist & bigoted, which is the best you can say for the “nicer” ones. And I’m not making any excuses for them, I’m just letting you know that a lot of these people operate under the very thin veneer of pseudo niceness.

The rest are just evil little fuckers, just like Trump.

What strikes me, isn’t that people fell for this POS. It just gets me that so many people cannot self reflect and genuinely understand why they were/are wrong, & how seriously DANGEROUS this man is for democracy.

If he wins next year? And he very well can win next year, we’re toast. It will take us at least a century to make it back, and back to “what & where” is questionable.

FANI WILLIS IS A SHERO! Brilliant press conference.

Betting that there will be many Black baby girls named Fani in the coming months. years.

[quote] [R257], how long have you been here? Don’t you want the biggest story of our lifetime told with any accuracy? Or do you prefer your news in the manner of Ted Cruz? You enjoy Putin-esque reporting of this news?

Would someone turn the heat off on this shrieking prisspot?

R270 I love people with a don't fuck with me vibe.

What does it mean when Fani said defendant scums had until Aug. 25 to "turn themselves in" and not be arrested? Be booked and fingerprinted?

Yes R274. And, be lawyered up. And, wear your Sunday best.

R272 doesn’t enjoy learning new things.

I hope Fani has the best of the best in security, and also her family and staff team. I have been waiting for this shit since 2015 when I first said to my husband that this fucker needs to be RICOed. I’m in shock and awe and also numb and cynical, all at the same time. His side is going to try and use violence because they’ve got nothing to lose now. But I also say, bring it on fuckers!!! Americans have fucking had it with their fuckery.

Will this case bar him from becoming President or no? I wasn’t sure if state charges “count” toward barring him. I think Jack Smith’s case will go first.

And the yummy coda?

You can bet that Jared is going to be investigated over the Kashoggi's-Life-For-$2B-And-Bullied-Qatar's-Purchase-of-666-5th-Avenue treason and extortion.

Stop me if you've heard this one: A former President, 4his former lawyer, and his former Chief of Staff walk into a barred cell.....

Does anyone know if the orange baby-man is having a meltdown on Twoof?

I don't think so, r280. I've been following reactions on Twitter where inevitably his TS posts screen shots are tweeted immediately. He has sent out fundraising emails, of course.

Thanks R281 . If you would please, keep us posted. I think it's going to be delicious!

Trump's about to go through some things.

Guuuurl, no

[quote]Georgia is not a person.

Hi Georgia!

Pop the champagne, bitches!

This is it!

Trump and eighteen others have been indicted on a wide range of charges, including racketeering. Trump personally has been charged with 13 crimes.

This case is pivotal, as one does NOT get probation if convicted under RICO.

If one is convicted under RICO, one must serve time.

After being strung along with what felt like forever, it nearly brings tears to my eyes that a reckoning may finally be on the way from Trump & his co-cretins. I'll confess I'm a bit sad that Lady G isn't in that last, but it's still wonderful news.

It'll be sweet if Miss Lindz is cooperating though.

All babies for the next year should be named Fani.

Sadly, according to the DeKalb County DA (maybe former?) last night, while there there is a five year minimum for RICO convictions in Georgia, the years can be served as probation. (But he’s going to jail. Bad man go bye-bye from RICO)

Fani said at a presser last night it's not a probated sentence, you have to serve time if convicted under a RICO charge.

Caitlyn Marie Jenner running her mouth.

Oh!!! I didn’t stay up that late. Thank you R292. Is there something enhanced about the charge maybe? It’s strange what the DeKalb DA said then.

Here’s why this is especially bad for Trump (well, one of several reasons):

[quote] [R272] doesn’t enjoy learning new things.

Where are your sources for that statement?!?!? Remember to employ correct footnoting citation in the MLA form!

Again, Georgia comes in to save our bacon! And, FANI Willis and her staff -- WORTH THE WAIT! Those Indictments and all of the defendents, haha! Also if note: THIRTY unnamed co-conspiritors known only to the grand jury, who are they and are they cooperating?

Knowing these THUGS will be fingerprinted and processed on Friday like the criminals they are, the assurance that these ANIMALS who tried to destroy our Democracy will have mugshots taken (mugshots that will last forever), and that those charges will put most of these TRAITORS in the slammer for years, is amazing news!

Did Miz Lindzey escape it all in Georgia? She wasn’t indicted. Is she one of the unindicted conspirators? She been yapping on Fox attacking the indictments.

Lindsey is well skilled in the ways of deception given a lifetime in the closet. Attacking while secretly cooperating seems quite possible for this and the Florida documents case. Same for Matt Gaetz and the Florida documents case.

LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP!!!

Rudy W. Giuliani @RudyGiuliani

This indictment is an affront to American Democracy and does permanent, irrevocable harm to our justice system.

It's just the next chapter in a book of lies with the purpose of framing President Donald Trump and anyone willing to take on the ruling regime.

They lied about Russian collusion, they lied about Joe Biden's foreign bribery scheme, and they lied about Hunter Biden's laptop hard drive proving 30 years of criminal activity.

The real criminals here are the people who have brought this case forward both directly and indirectly.

^^Indicted conspirator says what?

Rudy Giuliani press conference @ noon in front of Four Seasons Total Landscaping.

What will Sydney Powell wear for her mugshot? Mama's mussy is moist to know!

Now, Fani knew that she was going to indict last night. She had time to go get her hair done.... (wink)

What an IMPRESSIVE background this woman has! She will be an inspiration for many going forward. Here's a bit of what I found that interested me...

-Her father was a member of the Black Panthers and a criminal defense attorney.

-Willis studied political science at Howard University, graduating cum laude in 1993, then moved to Atlanta to attend Emory University School of Law, graduating in 1996 with a Juris Doctor. (EXCELLENT pub for Howard!)

I have to think that if Dump is proclaimed guilty (and how could he not be?) but somehow avoids jail time and is sentenced instead to some kind of in- house/at-home punishment, it will be with the proviso that he can't talk - or serve jail time if he does.

So in the end, there was one indictment with 40 or so counts under it? Does that entail one case The other nine related to other cases? Do we know that this is the end of the indictments? Is that how it works?

I’m chatty this morning (double espresso).

I got up at 4am to catch-up on all this. Then drove to IHOP for breakfast and scrolled.

The IHOP?!

Ole “Kraken” Sidney.

I suppose instruction/direction have yet to be sent to all of the unwashed on Twitter (or whatever it's called) this morning or since the formal accusation. All of the usual cast of characters seem directionless and aimless thus far. They just don't know what to do...

Booger-eating, Lucifer in the Flesh, Cancun, Rafael aka Ted, Cruz and his fake theatrics about Trump & company new indictments, are beyond disgusting.

Rafael wants to be Trump’s VP running-mate, and if elected, replace Trump early during the term.

[quote]Rafael wants to be Trump’s VP running-mate, and if elected, replace Trump early during the term.

Ya think? After his performance last night, I got the impression that he is trying to angle for his own talk show on FOX

How can Cruz's wife stand to be married to that thing? She's the breadwinner in the family and she barely sees him anyway. Maybe she's waiting until the kids are in college.

Lyin’ Ted is pissed! He too had pee pee girls visit him?

r315 Christ, that closeup! Makes me want to throw up.

[quote]How can Cruz's wife stand to be married to that thing?

She might be a lesbian. But I believe that it's more likely that she found someone who could get her close (if not to) the power that she wants and at the same time she could steam roll over them.

[quote]How can Cruz's wife stand to be married to that thing?

You'd be surprised by what fraus are prepared to do for a life of luxury and to be able to mix in the right circles. Just look at any of Trump's wives.

R316 - I've commented here on the deterioration of Cruz's physical appearance over the years. His hygiene, too. And it's not just aging. His hair is greasy, he's puffy-faced and has a perpetual sheen, his gut has become huge, and his beard is unkempt. Compare a picture of him during his presidential campaign to the one at r315. His proclamations seem to have become more shamelessly false. I'm surprised we haven't heard rumors of alcoholism.

Fani is going to feel so much pressure and get attacked relentlessly for this. I wish I could give her a hug. I applaud her. She is a hero. I could not do what she is doing. Not in a million years. I would help her and support her, but I could never be the lead . This is terribly dangerous.The anger and outrage will ripple through the entire country. She is now the focus of every single deranged MAGA out here. Jack Smith is a white man. They hate Smith, but as a woman, and a Black woman in the South, Fani has done something they simply will not stand for. They will react. Ify ou are a prayerful person, ask God to wrap his arms around Fani and keep her safe from all harm. I am serious. I don't care if it is maudlin. This is a very big deal and there will be blowback.

r319 It's like he's physically turning into the slime ball that he is.

[quote]Ify ou are a prayerful person, ask God to wrap his arms around Fani and keep her safe from all harm. I am serious.

Oh honey, the Deaconesses already put that call out. I'm waiting for the men from the Nation of Islam to announce volunteering their services to guard and protect her.

God's a bit busy in Hawaiʻi right now, I'd imagine.

R322, I am totally laughing from your post lololol. I don’t care for NOI, but in general, I do support black power groups. Fani opened her can of whoop-ass and I’m here for every mother fucking moment.

The thing is won't a Republican Nominee have a lot of incentive to promise to pardon Trump if he is convicted? And then have to go thru with that promise?

R325, a President can't pardon anyone convicted of state crimes, only federal ones.

Something tells me stacking that Pardon Board in Georgia with Turmpers has suddenly become a number one priority for the GOP.

R325 that’s why so many of us have been agonizing as we wait for this case. No pardons. Her office wins 90% of their cases. I have been saying since 2015 that we need to RICO this fucker. So it’s about 8 years I’ve been waiting and waiting and waiting. I wanted to cry last night but I’m too numb now. And there is a lot ahead that can go wrong. So these charges are MASSIVE and I’m happy with it, this is only the beginning of holding him accountable. Now this has to go to trial and they must convince a jury, on top of all the shenanigans Trump will continue pulling. I want him to piss off Fani so much that he gets thrown in a cell for contempt but I don’t know if a state system will have the balls.

You are living through a major moment in America’s history right now.

[quote]You are living through a major moment in America’s history right now.

No...*really*?

[quote]And there is a lot ahead that can go wrong.

Just takes one stealth deplorable on the jury to sink the whole thing, for starters. Not to mention that he'll appeal anything all the way to the Supreme Court, a third of which he appointed.

Hemansu Mangal @Hemansu 12h

Does one get a free Big Mac for every 10 indictments?

Now, what is this about?

Ed Krassenstein @EdKrassen

BREAKING: Trump just announced that he will be releasing a report on "election fraud" in Georgia.

He just posted on Truth Social:

[quote]"A Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable REPORT on the Presidential Election Fraud which took place in Georgia is almost complete & will be presented by me at a major News Conference at 11:00 A.M. on Monday of next week in Bedminster, New Jersey. Based on the results of this CONCLUSIVE Report, all charges should be dropped against me & others - There will be a complete EXONERATION! They never went after those that Rigged the Election. They only went after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!"

The problem is, however, that even if there was widespread voter fraud, which there is no proof of at this time, it doesn't give Trump nor his alleged co-conspirators the right to break the law, commit fraud, intimidate election workers, or create a conspiracy to change votes.

There is a legal way to go about it, and Trump attempted that and failed. When he failed, he allegedly took illegal actions to try overturn the US elections.

That's not how the law or the US Constitution works.

10:24 AM · Aug 15, 2023 26.9K Views

Kemp hates Trump. It’s not his priority.

[quote]They only went after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!

He's itching *so bad* to use another word there, Tanya and Fani have driven him damn near to insanity.

Hag!

So what do we think will happen on Arraignment Day. Fani announced a date for arraignments on the 25th?

That report probably isn't even in the works. Next week he'll say that the report is finished and ready to go, but his lawyers have ordered him not to share it because they need to save it for trial. He's ready to release it and he'd really love to, but he can't.

The "riggers?" Oh, how clever. They probably guffawed and backslapped each other congratulating the wordsmith for his incredible wit.

I have often read about guffaws but I have never seen one.

Here comes the memes...

[quote]To commemorate Donald Trump's fourth Indictment, brought against him by Fulton County DA Fani Willis, Mattel releases a special edition "Donald Trump's Worst F**kin' Nightmare" Barbie. Collect all 18! #BarbieMovie

I hope they ALL keep repeating the word riggers. This will THRILL 35 percent of the electorate and sicken the other 65. Keep it up!

[quote]I have often read about guffaws but I have never seen one.

In my case at least, they are quite rare. And truth be told, Trump is responsible for a lot of them – the crap he writes on Truth Social is so dumb, I sometimes can't help myself but let out an equally dumb-sounding guffaw.

Somebody has to make a t-shirt with Donald's mugshot captioned "Rigger Lover" with smaller mugshots of his indicted co-conspirators' beneath.

R344 that's actually brilliant!

Brian Kemp BrianKempGA

The 2020 election in Georgia was not stolen.

For nearly three years now, anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward - under oath - and prove anything in a court of law. Our elections in Georgia are secure, accessible, and fair and will continue to be as long as I am governor.

The future of our country is at stake in 2024 and that must be our focus.

Kemp will not be stacking the pardon board with MAGAts. Any nervous nellies pushing that line in the media are idjits. Kemp’d probably put Fani Willis, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinziger on the pardon board if it were allowed. And if Kemp has anything to say about it Trump will not be going to a nice prison.

Also Trump’s lawyers tried the federalization tactic in New York and it didn’t work. This is even more of a local case.

The best hope for Trump now to stay out of a hot nasty Georgia jail is to have a speedy DC trial with a lifelong sentence and no pardon. (or flee the country)

What does Trump in jail even look like? Would he confined to 24/7 house arrest at his home? If he goes to a real jail will it be one of those cushy white collar prisons? How does secret service protection factor in?

R348, we don't got no cushy white collar prisons in Georgia.....

His homes are all businesses. They don’t work as home confinement.

Club fed with no pardon is his best hope for a pleasant incarceration.

[quote]What does Trump in jail even look like? Would he confined to 24/7 house arrest at his home? If he goes to a real jail will it be one of those cushy white collar prisons? How does secret service protection factor in?

Put him in Fort Monroe. That's where Jefferson Davis was kept for 2 years. Allow Trump no phone, internet, or television privileges.

Is the prison at Guantanamo cleared out? Send him there.

R352 that's not so far fetched. Since he was Commander in chief, there is a possibility he could be sent to a miliary base for house arrest if he is found guilty of federal charges.

Send him to Plum Island Animal Disease Research Center. If it was good enough for Clarice and Jack Crawford to send Hannibal Lecter, it'll be good enough for Trump.

He can walk on the beach, one day a week (under SWAT team surveillance) and look at the pretty birds!

Joyce Vance tweeted (paraphrasing) that there's no reason why a separate building/facility can't be built on Fed prison land that could accommodate him.

Or, I was thinking along the lines of Frankie Pentangeli who was kept under protective custody on a military base. OMG, it just popped into my into my mind -- Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who ruled against him in the Trump U case (and got racially abused by TFG as a result), was housed on a naval base in. S. California when he received death threats when presiding over drug cartel case. The irony! Makes me also think there may still be mobsters in jail who Rudy put there under RICO convictions. 😹

He's a civilian now, he absolutely is not being sent to a military base to serve out his prison term. Similarly, he's no longer entitled to taxpayer-funded treatment at the Walter Reed medical center.

🎶 On the 14th of August,

A Grand Jury Gave Team Trump....

41 Indictments!

And a Date for Trump to Turn Himself In! 🎶

🎶 On the 15th of August,

Trump Wrote an Insane Tweet!

41 Indictments!

And a Date for Trump to Turn Himself In! 🎶

Is that going to be like his "big beautiful healthcare plan"? Friday or Monday will come and, "Oh there's a delay. No press conference today.". It will just keep getting delayed, delayed, delayed, till it just doesn't happen.

Way back at r330–he can appeal all he wants, but he will be sentenced anyway. There will be no waiting for appeals to finish before he has to show up for prison.

You forgot dtrump's beautiful Infrastructure Week plan that never happened because of every scandal that happened in the White Dtrump House every week for 4 years.

Remember the piles of binders he presented with blank paper? That's what his "report" proving the election was stolen will be. But it'll be good enough to fool the Dee Plorable rubes out there.

You can always write Miss Fani a postcard and let her know how much you appreciate her.

A letter has to go thru screening and you don’t want to clog up her phone lines, but a postcard is just one piece of paper, nothing to hide. Nothing to clog up.

Lord knows I’ve sent my share of the things over the years! Drop her one with a nice picture on it and let her know you admire her and her work.

[quote] presented by me at a major News Conference at 11:00 A.M. on Monday of next week in Bedminster, New Jersey.

Four Seasons Landscaping wasn’t available?

R356 he is still entitled to Walter Reed and other medical facilities and services.

We've never had a former POTUS go to prison. They can do WTF ever they want. I personally like the Army base idea.

🎶 On the Fateful Ides of August,

The Traitor Stood Accused!

80 Fake Electors,

Posting Insane Tweets,

41 Indictments,

For a Failed Coup d'Etat on J6! 🎶

I'd like to ask Jenna Ellis which is worse--being indicted or having Rudy fart on you and give you Covid.

R368 Marry me! I'm laughing outloud and people are looking at me funny. I'm having my dinner at Whole Foods. Sad!

Mmph...

I thought Jenna was relying on Jesus, Go Fund Me.

IMO Jenna will flip. She is too young to get all caught up in some bullshit with tired vicious old bastards like Rudy. I think this is a learning experience for her. Flip, Jenna! Because she isn't getting any help from Trump or Rudy. LOL! I bet she believed them when they told her, "Don't worry, nothing is going to happen to you, you're with us. We'll take care of you!"

I thought Jenna was relying on Fani, Go Fuck Me.

Send this fat, orange traitor to RIKERS.

I'm shocked that a good Xtian lawyer like Jenna Ellis with such an extensive career in parking garage law got caught up in this mess!

[quote]IMO Jenna will flip. She is too young to get all caught up in some bullshit with tired vicious old bastards like Rudy. I think this is a learning experience for her. Flip, Jenna! Because she isn't getting any help from Trump or Rudy. LOL! I bet she believed them when they told her, "Don't worry, nothing is going to happen to you, you're with us. We'll take care of you!"

I don't know all about that, but I do agree that she is probably the most likely to flip. Its' about employability. Unlike the others, she NEEDS her law license. Eastman, Guiliani, Powell, et alia, are at levels and with experience that they can be hired to consult for whatever without needing a law license. But this Jenna gal? Who will hire her? Also... I just took a quick look at the gal's CV. SHE'S A NUT!!! She is going to need all of the help that she can get!

Ron Filipkowski @RonFilipkowski 1h

Trump is now posting on Truth Social a bunch of videos of himself when he was president.

Sad!

Sad last days.

[quote]Trump is now posting on Truth Social a bunch of videos of himself when he was president.

How very Norma Desmond of him.

“I’m ready for my close-up Mr. Smith…er, Mr. DeMille!”

[quote]How very Norma Desmond of him.

Well it is the movie he's seen dozens of times.

If my a President Trump is incarcerated, I will demand he is allowed conjugal visits and a locker room; and I am not just talking about Lindzey.

Ron Filipkowski @RonFilipkowski 1h

He’s really losing it on Truth Social today. It’s beginning to sink in that his story doesn’t have a happy ending.

Tristan Snell on X

BREAKING: Trump dumps Jenna Ellis, won’t pay any of her legal fees — because she’s been supportive of DeSantis.

Watch Ellis carefully now. When Trump cuts someone off, it’s the tipping point that results in the person flipping on Trump.

My bet: Ellis will cooperate.

I'd like Tristan Snell to "flip" — onto his stomach in my bedroom.

Ellis has every reason to flip and no reason not to.

If Ellis was getting close to De Santis this tells me she is a true believer when it comes to the Christian Extremists. And she may "martyr" herself. Her latest statement about putting her trust in God was kind of bizarre. She better remember that old saying, "God helps those who help themselves." What a dumbass.

My, Jenna, what pretty hair you have...

[quote]A Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable REPORT on the Presidential Election Fraud which took place in Georgia is almost complete & will be presented by me at a major News Conference at 11:00 A.M. on Monday of next week in Bedminster, New Jersey. Based on the results of this CONCLUSIVE Report, all charges should be dropped against me & others - There will be a complete EXONERATION! They never went after those that Rigged the Election.

Jaded as I am, I’m still amazed that people fall for his shit.

[quote]Jaded as I am, I’m still amazed that people fall for his shit.

I have to believe that relatively few people fall for his shit at this point ("Irrefutable REPORT"), and they're all dumbasses. His cult members really don't care one way or the other. They'll follow him to the ends of the earth regardless and couldn't care less about the facts of the case.

Some of them are addicted to his drama and that him "releasing" this "report" will get attention and might own them some Libs. It's all they have in life.

Additionally, it gives them new talking points and distracts them from their real problems and reality.

[quote]Some of them are addicted to his drama and that him "releasing" this "report" will get attention and might own them some Libs. It's all they have in life.

I see this differently. Once again, Trump is a savant/genius in marketing himself. He knows what works and how to get attention. I believe he is afraid of appearing in the Republican debate because he really fears Christie and might not come over well to the audience in television land. Therefore, he (Trump) is going to snatch the attention from debate and control the narrative with this nonsensical report. The question will be, Will the media fall for it again? My guess is yes. They always do--and Trump knows this too.

I thought Trump was banned from the debate because he refused to sign a pledge to support the ultimate nominee? Is that no longer the case?

To hell with Ronna and the Republicans! This is about ratings and money. FOX is still trying to woo Trump to come.

I wouldn't put it past Fox to have Trump on as a "commentator" after the debate so he can trash everybody without facing any barbs from his opponents.

^And already it's working in the way that Trump would want this to. It's all about him. Little to nothing is being reported about the Republican debate (like who made it and who didn't) nor about the other candidates. It's Trump 24/7. Why is the media even giving this "report" a platform after 2.5 years and numerous court losses? What compelling and credible information/data could he possibly have at this point?

[quote]Why is the media even giving this "report" a platform after 2.5 years and numerous court losses?

Asked and answered. It gets ratings and clicks, more so than anything save natural disasters.

[quote]Once again, Trump is a savant/genius in marketing himself.

Only in the way a third-rate circus clown is a savant/genius in marketing himself.

And his announcement is stupid because that's who he's pitching it to - the "poorly educated" he loves so much.

See, Dee, he's just like us!!

It also helps that he actually is pretty stupid - other than that conniving grasping con-artist side of him.

R398, once again the Media is chasing him. I hope their ratings take a major hit. So tired of these "no news" shows. And the top tier reporters with their fat paychecks all desperate to hang onto those cush network jobs, are still calling themselves journalists. All they do is read the news. They have producers and staff to handle all the heavy lifting.

Veteran mob lawyer Murray Richman told The Messenger that he's "spoken to several of my clients" since Giuliani, former President Donald Trump and 17 co-defendants were charged with violating Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.

"You can quote me to say, 'They're f------ thrilled,'" Richman said Wednesday.

"I don’t want to say the language, but they really ripped Rudy a new a------."

Veteran mob lawyer Murray Richman told The Messenger that he's "spoken to several of my clients" since Giuliani, former President Donald Trump and 17 co-defendants were charged with violating Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.

"You can quote me to say, 'They're f------ thrilled,'" Richman said Wednesday.

"I don’t want to say the language, but they really ripped Rudy a new a------."

Hmm...

Palmer Report @PalmerReport Rudy Giuliani is now leaking to the media that Trump has been refusing to pay his legal fees for months. Giuliani is sending a clear signal to Trump that he needs to pay up or Giuliani will flip on him. It means Giuliani is truly scared of what’s happening – and Trump should be.

11:05 PM · Aug 16, 2023 · It’s anyone’s guess as to whether Trump will pay Rudy’s ransom. At this point Trump is making these kinds of decisions based not on survival but on spite. But it does seem clear that Rudy, who is broke and now finally indicted, is ready to sell Trump out if need be.

This comes after Rudy already did a proffer interview with Jack Smith and presumably gave up Trump to at least some degree. So Rudy is clearly willing to roll even further on Trump.

The problem for Rudy is that even after his proffer session, Jack Smith still named him a co-conspirator, meaning Rudy didn’t really help himself. That’s not a surprise given that he’s barely coherent these days.

So what’s Rudy going to do, give a proffer interview to Fani Willis and flub that too? One of the reasons Trump may not be willing to pay Rudy is that Rudy is too senile to even give up what he thinks he has on Trump. But it’s still a dangerous game. Rudy could have…

…documents, recordings, or other evidence that nail Trump, even if Rudy is useless as a witness. That would buy Rudy some leniency, and make it even harder for Trump to mount a trial defense. So Trump has a tough decision to make here.

But when Trump is at a point where he’s spitefully refusing to make the strategic move of paying Jenna Ellis’ legal bills simply because she praised DeSantis, it’s fair to say Trump isn’t playing with any more of a full deck than Rudy is.

Racketeering laws, and the broad net they cast, are designed to make it difficult to keep all your underlings from flipping on you. In this probe Trump has to pay eighteen people’s legal defenses at once if he wants to keep them from flipping on him – and they might flip anyway.

Throw in the fact that Trump’s 2024 fundraising numbers are pathetic and the PACs he’s been raiding for his legal fees are now reportedly broke, and Trump is having a hard enough time paying his own lawyers, let alone 18 other people’s lawyers.

This would be a tricky situation to navigate, even for a focused and savvy person who’s flush with cash. Trump is the opposite of all that. Even if Rudy is too senile to successfully flip on Trump, other defendants undoubtedly will.

Given that the indictment already nails Trump to the wall, even before any of his co-defendants inevitably flip on him, there’s just no path for Trump to avoid conviction and prison.

And in his more lucid moments, Trump has to know that he has no possible way out of this. That’s the best explanation for why he’s spitefully refusing to pay the legal bills of the people he doesn’t like. He knows his life is over anyway, so why bother trying to win?

That strategy Trump is using is described as: "If I'm going down, I'm taking the rest of you with me!".

And Ellis and Ghoul are low hanging fruit. He hasn't even begun to throw his panic-tantrum where he takes others out as he's on his way out. The Republican party doomed itself by hooking up with him.

I can't wait to see him destroy them all before he's locked up.

Former President Donald Trump’s popularity is plunging as his legal troubles mount.

Just 35% of Americans have a favorable view of Trump compared to 62% who view him unfavorably, according to an Associated Press-NORC poll released Wednesday.

The survey, which was conducted from last Friday to Monday, also found that 53% of all voters say they definitely wouldn’t vote for Trump for president in 2024.

Another 11% said they probably wouldn’t support his White House comeback bid.

[QUOTE]One of the reasons Trump may not be willing to pay Rudy is that Rudy is too senile to even give up what he thinks he has on Trump

As I was reading this sentence another possible reason he's refusing to pay him is Guiliani's a drunk, something he views as a weakness. He's famously talked about not drinking because it killed his brother (never mind his own stimulant use). It wouldn't shock me at all if he's blaming Giuliani and his drunkenness for the whole debacle and using it as a reason for non-payment.

Fuck these polls, R405. I'm so SICK of them!!! Two days ago, Trump was neck and neck with Biden and Democrats should be very concerned. These polls are nothing but manipulation by news editors to focus on the horse race rather than policy. Is anyone hearing questions about policies being asked of these candidates? That would include Trump too.

OH!!!!

[quote]BREAKING: Former Pres. Trump's promised press conference to refute the allegations in the indictment handed up by the Fulton County DA's Office is now very much in doubt, multiple sources familiar with the matter tell @ABC News.

Priceless, R408!

Please, please, please IGNORE YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL and put on another sideshow!!!

^ yikes, the "been there..." was a signature for an old thread, no idea which. When threads become long, they get herky jerky on my phone as I try to type.

He usually ignores any good advice that he gets, so there's still hope for what will no doubt be an unhinged presentation where he will probably implicate himself even more.

Rick Wilson:

Great coverage on @Morning_Joe of the tidal wave of terrible polls showing @realDonaldTrump is political poison. As Joe pointed out, it has always been thus; losses or vast underperformance since 2017, on years and off. For the base, though...

...the profound power they yield over the GOP means whether Trump is the nominee and kills their majorities or whether he goes and kills their majorities is all of a piece. There. Is. No. Escape. #ETTD is eternal and unerring.

The "Good Republican" will be as shattered as the "Good German" myth when this is over. The "Good Republicans" whisper in the dark how much they hate Trump. The tell reporters *every* *single* *day* that *they're* not like the base. *They're* "just trying to steer the ship."

There is no lily-white savior for the GOP. You wanted all that base energy tied to Trump, and you got it, but you forgot the word "tied" was in the equation. Bound like sailors doing shibari.

The cadre of chickens on the stage next week will mumble some variations of "Trump is bad and I'm better" but not one will say "If he is the nominee, I will vote for either Joe Biden." That's the real test, and even the "good" ones -- Asa, Christie, Hurd -- will fail it.

No one wants him to be the nominee, but not one of these candidates has a plan to legitimately stop him. "Exogenous event X will make me the nominee" is political fanfic, not reality.

The GOP base *does not accept reality* and they have a 24/7/365 media machine that never, ever, ever, ever interrupts the constant IV drip of agitprop, fear porn, and conspiracy.

The primary is a Kabuki dance of fools, fakes, and frauds. The GOP cannot reckon with Trump because it knows pain is coming for them, either way. They can't look the Trump or the base in the eye and say, "No more." And so, their pain continues. End.

Let's review, shall we? In 2016, GQP had the Executive Branch, the Senate, and the House. In 2018, they lost the House in a massive Blue wave. In 2020, they lost the Executive Branch. And in 2022, they lost the Senate (despite a meager win in the House due to NY's botched redistricting).

MAGA and Trump are election losers--most Americans don't want crazy people running their government. We flirted with crazy (like fucking the base player in the band) but now we've started to wake up and come to our senses. Republicans will continue to lose by doubling down on MAGA. Democrats are getting things done with their policies. I say keep going GQP, because it'll mean a permanent Democratic majority.

Jeffrey Clark is apparently angling for an insanity defense:

“Today witches, spiritists, mediums, those with spirit animals, and Ukrainian NPCs resumed their attacks on me."

^But he doesn't look crazy himself in that photo, not at all.

"Georgia’s peculiar pardon system is bad news for Trump

Unlike with the federal prosecutions, Trump has no power to shut down the case if he’s reelected."

"Majority of Americans think Trump's charges in Georgia election interference case are serious: POLL

The former president now faces four indictments; he denies all wrongdoing."

Wait a minute. Didn't Bill Clinton have some legal problems while he was PResident? I seem to recall someone named Jones??????? Or was it Lewinsky????? He had to be deposed, he lost his license to practice law, he was impeached, tried and just barely won the vote to not throw him out of office. Can someone clear this up for me?Clinton was a sitting POTUS if I am not mistaken?

It was about SEX BABY! A chunky, thick Jewish girl over 21 yrs old who couldn't give a blowjobs correctly, gagged& dribbled on a dark blue Gap dress, and her slutty moms and the fat tramp kept the dress in the back of her closet. Ken Starr spent over 75 million dollars to prove Bill lied about a blowjob. She allowed Bill to stick cigars in her wet nasty stretched-out vadge& he smoked them. Now, that's a whore!!

Would you want to face Hillary Clinton...I don't think so.

[quote]just barely won the vote to not throw him out of office.

Hardly. One of the charges resulted in a 55-45 vote to acquit, the other resulted in a 50-50 tie. Given that at least 67 votes would be needed to convict, he didn't just "barely" win the vote.

[quote]Wait a minute. Didn't Bill Clinton have some legal problems while he was PResident? I seem to recall someone named Jones??????? Or was it Lewinsky????? He had to be deposed, he lost his license to practice law, he was impeached, tried and just barely won the vote to not throw him out of office. Can someone clear this up for me?Clinton was a sitting POTUS if I am not mistaken?

How can you even think to compare the two, IDIOT R419? Lying about a blowjob versus an attempt to overthrow the government?

Don't forget Linda Tripp, the OG Karen. If she were still with us, she'd be full on MAGA. Probably running for Congress or headlining CPAC.

Mmph... The new Great White Hope...

Collin Rugg @CollinRugg

BREAKING: Republican Georgia state Senator Colton Moore moves to impeach Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis for her actions against Trump.

Finally, a Republican with a backbone.

“I’m not going to sit back and watch as radical left prosecutors weaponize their elected offices to politically target their opponents,” Moore said.

“As a Georgia State Senator, I am officially calling for an emergency session to review the actions of Fani Willis.”

^ That Collin Rugg kid looks like another Ben Shapiro/Nick Fuentes type, a basement dwelling incel closet case.

Fuck underwear boy Clark!

This witch has better things to do with her time than waste on HIS pathetic, honky ass!

Get a life, loser!

r422, I’m not r419, but I think the post was to note the hypocrisy of saying Trump couldn’t be prosecuted while he’s a sitting President, when that precedent had already been broken.

Thank you, R427, that's exactly what I meant.

LOL!!!!

The Lincoln Project @ProjectLincoln 1h

Trump’s gotta be feeling weighed down with all the legal troubles. When he surrenders to the Fulton County jail, he’ll have his mugshot taken & be fingerprinted, like a regular old inmate.

Guess Trump's actual weight for a chance to win an LP coffee mug☕️

318 lbs. my guess.

R427, the policy has been that a president can’t be criminally prosecuted while in office. Clinton was never subjected to criminal charges while president. He was sued civilly, as was Trump, and he was impeached and tried, as was Trump (twice).

287 lb with a 52 inch waist.

Michael Cohen just referred to Gym Bag Jordan on MSNBC. Bwahahahah!

R427, both Clinton and Nixon lost their law licenses after they left office, but those also were not criminal proceedings.

This is exactly what Trump is pushing for. He's looking to purposely cause outrage.

R429 Trump wears Guess jeans. Guess? 320, 330, 340...

Just filed: Trump attorneys propose an April 2026 trial date for the federal election interference case. Prosecutors had asked for Jan 2024. Judge Chutkan set to rule on this August 28th.

He blinked...

There will be NO press conference on Monday

[quote]Ron Filipkowski @RonFilipkowski 9m 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂His lawyers talked him down off the ledge! So the big press conference on Monday where he was going to show us all the evidence is canceled. What an absolute circus clown this guy is. People actually voted for this idiot! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I guess Anusmouth will just have to pony-up his "evidence" in court and prove his innocence there.

Good luck, fat traitor.

Trump should be in custody until the trial.

This'll be just time wasting, his "evidence" will get laughed out of court. Hello, he already had 60 courts tell him there was no there there.

^ just be

Seriously?

Did anybody think that Trump wasn't going to pull this shit and cancel the Rig Report?

He knew when he announced that farce he wasn't going to do it.

Just like he knew he didn't have a crack a team of investigators in Hawaii finding out that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.

Just like Trump knew when he lunged for the steering while ordering his Secret Service driver to "go to the Capitol" that they'd refuse to do it; he just wanted to play at being "tough guy".

That's this Piece of Shit's MO - play the part and fool his moronic supporters. And they fall for it every. single. time.

DJT is already 25% into a total meltdown.

If he’s not getting many millions coming his way, the outbursts will cripple him.

It's both hilarious and sad, thinking about the ridiculous excuses the MAGAdonians will come up with, as to why he cancelled the pressor and can't release the evidence that will 'completely exonerate' him.

The “Deep State” is preventing him from presenting the TRUTH R445

Given Dump’s level of maturity and intelligence, his “report”, or rather the threat of one, is the juvenile equivalent of “I know you are but what am I”. I’m pretty sure in his mind it feels as if he’s threatening back, and will somehow make prosecutors worried or back down (it won’t). He’s trying to intimidate. At the same time, followers shovel their pension checks at him because they believe he’s got irrefutable proof. It’s really sad and pathetic.

[quote]It’s really sad and pathetic.

So on brand, then.

The booking jail

He just can't help himself...

Ryan Fournier @RyanAFournier 1h

BREAKING: Trump will skip first debate to do a sit down with Tucker!

HUGE DEVELOPMENT!

Of course he’s sitting down with Tucker, he knows whining and playing victim gets him donations. I hope his lawyers do dump him and he gets a public defender who’s on their second day.

I’m not sure who’s more desperate for the press, Trump or Tucker

^Or Elon Musk...

These guys have no shame. Doesn’t matter that Carlson hates Dump (he said it!). They’ll get in bed with each other for a nickel.

[quote]They’ll get in bed with each other for a nickel.

Pics please.

[quote]Pics please.

Pictures?!?! I don't even want to IMAGINE it!!

WhoTF will televise Tucker?

[quote]WhoTF will televise Tucker?

The MAGAPatriot-1488-Super-America-Eagle Youtube channel will be broadcasting live.

Ken Chesebro was at the Capitol on 1/6. The gang that couldn't shoot straight strikes again!!!

so Alex Jones, Ali Alexander, and Ken Chesebro. Wow. You know the FBI is still going over every inch of film and photos taken. I follow a volunteer group on Twitter that regularly posts pictures of people asking for help identifying them. So it is not over by a longshot. People are still getting arrested, charged and convicted.

LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP!!!!

It would have been so easy to lie and say these extremists caused all the problems except you have a direct through line from the slime right into the Oval office...more slime.

Have they released photos of Cheesebro at the Capitol to the public? The photo attached to that article at r459 doesn't seem to identify him there. Or am I missing it?

Cheese bro. You can't make these things up.

Is he from Wisconsin?

R463, It's Cheesbro in the MAGA hat lowest right of centre. (Full profile) Yes it was all over MSNBC on Thursday night. He had his mobile phone out videoing etc. Very close with Alex Jones and his crew.

Tons of pictures of him at the Cap on J6 with Alexander in the crowd, with Jones, with others. There's also video, because of course there's video. I hope he takes some other traitors down as he's put away because he is done for.

I wonder if Alexander has flipped and is telling the Feds who to go after? He sure seems to have disappeared from the conversation, no?

I'm glad that Nancy Pelosi insisted on holding hearings and forcing Garland to act. Because people are finally getting a sense of the scope of it. And now that Jack Smith and Fani Willis have brought indictments for January 6th we are really going to see how the conspiracy occurred in stages and how the insurrection was structured. This was definitely a Seditious Conspiracy to overthrow our government. Just think about it.At some point they were confiscating voting machines. They were considering using the military and declaring martial law! The guard rails truly have to be strengthened because the next time this happens it will not be done by a bunch of inept bunglers.They will not show their hand and they will install the "right kind of people" in key positions so the Mark Milleys and Mike Pences and Brad Raffenspergers won't stop them.

[quote] This was definitely a Seditious Conspiracy to overthrow our government.

Of course, it was. This is treason and I'm mystified why it is not being called as much. Were I descendants of Benedict Arnold I'd be making a lot of noise about right now.

We can't call it treason because that would really hurt the "feelwings" of the MAGATs and we certainly cannot have that!

And what's going on in Arizona? Didn't those Cyber Ninja fools take the voting machines out of state? Yes, that was after the election, but how was that legal? I certainly hope the Secretary of State's office sent those machines to the landfill after they were returned.

R469 This is something I still can't understand: it was clearly an organized effort to use lies, force, power to subvert the constitutional process. But it wasn't going to happen.... Trump on the phone call to Georgia Sec of State was delusional, pathetic. Breaking into the capitol building was going to change Pence's mind? It was just stupid. Did they think it was really going to work? Or was it just to keep in the center for the news cycle for the grift?

Like - Kari Lake pushed the useless effort to overturn AZ... did she really believe that would work or was it merely part of her grift?

They're loud and violent, not smart R473. And the people they're scamming are even less intelligent than they are, so...

[quote]This is something I still can't understand: it was clearly an organized effort to use lies, force, power to subvert the constitutional process. But it wasn't going to happen....

You're very confident. I'm not. From what I see it was less than 10 people who actually saved the USA democracy.

How long did it take for the Watergate hearings to begin? Why is it all so much slower now?

^Nixon was never indicated even tho' the Grand Jury was heading that way. Nixon resigned ! year after that...so a pretty slow process.

[quote]Why is it all so much slower now?

This is a bit bigger than a break-in and a helluva lot more people involved.

They want to INDICATE me!!!!

[quote]did she really believe that would work or was it merely part of her grift?

For republicans, there is no "merely part" of their grift, there is only their grift.

They thought that fat Donnie could declare “Marshall law” and stop the certification process. That’s why he didn’t do anything for almost two hours after his cunts started attacking the Capitol.

But it didn’t work and Pelosi herded cats and got everyone back in chambers to vote THAT NIGHT. She probably even had to squeeze Schumer to round up the dottering senators and force them into chambers that late.

They had a plan. It wasn’t fat Donnie’s plan because he doesn’t know how the process works or where it could be stopped. But Eastman did. And Chesebro. They knew.

There were the planners, the instigators and the money men. Thus far, only the instigators have been prosecuted. Let’s see who ALL of the planners AND the money men are.

"Marshall Law"

Lady Lindzebelle can’t be happy gentleman caller, Joe Biggs, is locked up.

R473, they really thought the states would intervene, and insist the false electors be accepted. I think they wanted to obstruct and delay. They didn't want Congress to certify the election. Even after the insurrectionists left the building, and Congress returned, you had 147 members of Congress voting against accepting the results. Before the insurrection the plan was to delay the vote with objections. I think they intended for Trump to declare martial law, he was definitely supposed to go to the Capitol, and all the fake electors were supposed to replace the original electors. All the paper work was supposed to be delivered in hand and Trump declared the winner. That's one reason why Mike Pence didn't want to leave. (He also knew those SS guys were compromised."I'm not getting in that car." )

R481 Donald Trump was the chief instigator. He was the one who proposed to not leave office and he did it back in September if not sooner. He was always going to claim fraud and he and his gang, Eastman, Giuliani, Chesebro, Jeffrey Clark, Sidney Powell, etc we getting into the process, the how do we do this and pretend it's legal?

And never ever forget that the election was "stollen".

I meant to add that within Trump's circle of plotters everyone had a role and Bannon, Stone and Flynn were up to their necks in this. Flynn was in several meetings in the Oval office. Stone and Trump spoke on the phone. I'm sure there are records.

R481 And then there were Junior Cokehead, Vanky, Eric, Kimberly Gargoyle (dancing to Gloria), and all the rest of the Trump gang in the tent, watching 1/6 unfold. I really do think they were there, thinking that once "Marshall Law" was declared and Trump was going to stay in office forever, they would come out on stage and wave to the audience, like it was the finale of the Apprentice. They all knew what the plan was.

Remember Bush v. Gore? SCOTUS expedited that in a matter of days, because there was a sense of urgency, that the election wouldn't be viewed as valid if they took their usual year or two to come down with a decision. So where is the sense of urgency with the 2024 election? Yes, I know it's over a year away, but voters form their opinions in the primaries and polls long before the election. Voters deserve to know all the information that will come from the trials.

Sorry, R488. Busy taking $$$$$$ from crooked billionaires. We can't be bothered with that type of thing!

Staff Sargeant Johnson @PatMaguire10

BREAKING NEWS: FOX News reports Ca. Gov. Gavin Newsom is the first Governor to say Donald Trump is not eligible for future presidential elections & has asked the California's State Assembly to pass a bill that will remove Trumps name on any future ballots.

R490, serious question—on what basis? Is it based on whether Dump is convicted? I don’t see how they can do that without a conviction, although we all know he tried to overthrow the government. Of course, if Dump is convicted, I think every state that can do it should block him.

R491 Well, there are so many cases and charges it's easy to forget that he's already been found guilty of criminal tax fraud, and sexual assault (civil, not criminal judgement). We'll have to see exactly how Newsom the legislature understand federal and state laws affect his running.

r492

Actually, I love that Newsom is doing that. Legally, he might not be able to, but it’ll cause Dump even more legal fee$ and time fighting it. And you know Dump will be bothered by THIS move more than anything else.

R494 And on the other hand, Trump would never get the electors from CA....he could win the electoral college without being on the CA ballot.

r495

I like that Newsom is doing this because it's trolling Dump bigly. It would really get under his disgusting orange skin.

It really is a cult:

In what is nothing short of a stunning representation of the former president’s bond with his backers, a CBS News poll out Sunday found that MAGA fans are more likely to believe something Trump tells them than they are something their own family tells them.

Among those who voted for the former president in 2020, 71 percent believe what Trump tells them is true, while just 63 percent consider information from their own family to be true.

[quote]CBS News poll finds Trump's big lead grows, as GOP voters dismiss indictments

Where's the Grim Reaper when you really need him?

[quote] It really is a cult

I wish he would go ahead and pass out the cyanide laced Kool-Aid. It would save us a lot of trouble, except for the cleanup.

^^^ I don’t think he’s too far away for something like that to happen. It’s very very similar actually.

Given that Trump is almost guaranteed to lose California, it wouldn't do much.

[quote]It would save us a lot of trouble, except for the cleanup.

Why bother? I could endure a few months of stench.

It’s the OJ effect with Republican voters. The more pressure on Dump, the more Republicans as a whole feel it’s against them. There’s also this notion that Hunter is somehow getting away with crimes equally as bad. They’ll never turn on their own. No doubt many still believe Nixon got a raw deal. They don’t care about the US, they care about themselves.

Anyone think Trump would socialize with any of his MAGA base voters who aren’t rich and/or famous? Would he invite any of them to come play golf, host them for dinner, or have a swim in his Mar-a-Lago pool? No! Trump only wants their votes, money, and for them to show at his rallies essentially for TV theatrics.

He does not give a shit about MAGAs receiving their SS entitlements, health care, better jobs, etc.

The Republicans are desperate to have Trump out of the race. The 14th amendment argument is gaining momentum. I think we need Trump to run and be in the race. IMO it guarantees a Democratic win.

I don't believe in any of these polls. Who knows who they even go to for their answers? The are all meaningless and a stupid distraction.

Speaking of California,……

^ clasping at straws aren't they?

Why hasn't Nunes gone down for something yet?

R510, Nunes retired at an opportune moment.

Nothing was "declassified".

Who are these people and where do they find them????

[quote]Former President Donald Trump's supporters say they hold him as a source of true information over their family, friends, and religious leaders, according to a new CBS News/YouGov poll out on Sunday.

I think the more important question is how can I avoid them?

Trump voters will believe anything, R513. They've never met a conspiracy theory or a quack "cure" they don't love. I'm not sure if it's lack of intelligence or mental illness or a frightening combination that makes them so susceptible. But they are rubes.

A few things that worry me about this R515...

That old adage of; It's the squeaky wheel that receives the oil. Well, these Republicans/Trumpsters/or whatever you want to call them are DEFINITELY making A LOT of noise and it seems that they are getting their way in many areas. Maybe I'm on Twitter (or whatever its name is today) too much. But I believe that everyone must be aware of what the other side is doing. Over there... it seems as if they have completely taken over that platform which is still reaching millions.

I agree with Michael Moore when he says that there are more of us than them. But... the "us" doesn't seem as if they're/we're as united to defeat the enemy as "us"/we should be. I still have a fear that there is a path for Trump and his people to win. I mean... I get the hesitation about President Biden and his age. It's a legitimate concern but c'mon!... this old guy is doing a great job and yet it seems as if it is not resonating.

Trump's hair makes its case.

The flip side of the cult members believing everything Dump says, no matter how preposterous is that if a Democrat makes a proposal or just tells a truth--the MAGAts are immediately suspicious, hostile, and in denial. I like to make fun of them becuase they are ridiculous, but their loyalty to this con man is scary. There are millions of these people out there. And they are armed and ready to kill for him.

Years ago I used to live next door to Tea Party activists. They tried to recruit me but I would smile and shake my head and say, "Oh, I don't follow politics all of them are crooks, so I just watch my sitcoms. " (Now, I worked in local government in a big city, and I was a state Democratic Party activist so this was a bald faced lie, but so what.) Anyway, time passed, and my neighbor fell in love with Sarah Pailin. Funny thing. After all their harangues about the Government and all their promoting of Tea Party propaganda, the wife said to me, "My asthma is getting so bad, I can't wait until I get on Medicare so I can get the prescription drug coverage." I just stared at her. And these SOBs were traveling to neighboring states to help on Republican campaigns!

Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir r519!

R519, you should have called the cunt a Socialist!

HA! I never heard that before! I'm listening to a replay of "Morning Joe" and they're talking about how Trump wants to turn his arrest into a spectacular show (he's asked to be arrested in primetime with lots of cameras) and Rev. Al Sharpton just said; "If Donald Trump were born Black he would be Don King"....

LOL!

I can picture that!

MSNBC is having another Indictment Special tonight at 7pm with Rachel.

I wonder if they'll bring out the Indictment Dancers for the Indictment Special this eventing, R523.

R524 maybe these dancers are available.

Rejoice!

Of course Trump times his indictment for live coverage to flood the evening news cycle

My absolute favorite thing on MSNBC are the Trump Incarceration prayer circles.

HIs plane just landed in ATL.

i want to know how much the fat fuck weighs!!!!!

The former president has chosen a commercial bail bondsman in ATL to stay out of jail - Charles Shaw of Foster Bail Bonds.

Meanwhile Blacks for Trump member Harrison Floyd (1 of 2 black defendants in the RICO case) is in prison because he couldn't make bail.

What a night.

what was that BS number his "dr" gave while he was in the white house? (regarding his weight)

CBS just interrupted Judge Judy, fittingly, to cover Trump arriving to the jail.

Why does a millionaire use a bail bondsman? Couldn’t one afford to cover the cash bond themselves?

R533, it’s puzzling. My first thought is he’s going to skip bond and leave the country. That way the bail bondsman loses the money, not Dump. It would be hell trying to get him back into the country.

One reminder too—if Dump is convicted, he goes straight to jail (unless the judge grants special circumstances until the punishment is decided). No appealing forever and stay free. He can appeal but he remains in prison throughout the appeal process.

Can they speed this shit up?

It says 215. Utter fantasy bullshit.

It's done, r536.

Strawberry Blonde hair.....

Is that the name on the Grecian Formula bottle?

Donald has $20K of liquid cash to post.

Not $200K.

*that's* why he used a bail bondsman. motherfucker is broke.

215 lbs?? Ha!!!!! Off by at least 125 lbs.

He provided his weight from 1989.

R532 Ronnie Jackson

are you fucking kidding?

in his dreams!

gotta be a typo. 315 pounds!!!

i mean, seriously, nobody calls him out on it?

250 lbs. 6'3". according to Maddow who read the information from the Fulton County arrest warrant.

so where did the number 215 came from?

R547 it came from his feeble mind. Self reported

cnn is reporting 215 pounds

At the minimum, that lying prick weighs 265 pounds of gelatinous goo. This 215 nonsense only flies if booking took trump’s word for it, and didn’t weigh him on a scale. I want see a buzz created around this bullshit figure. It’s false. Another fucking lie from the orange dumpster.

250 is still too low.

Pretty sure the warrant says 215.

R552, it’s self reported.

He said 215. He’s also a delusional liar.

I know, I know, it makes not an iota (elder gay identified by his word choice...) of difference to the deluded MAGA folk.... but: 215lbs.... he's so obviously a liar - the world knows with certainty he's not 215. So, confirmed that he lies.

Doncha just wish he'd go away? I'm so exhausted with this bullshit.

R540, if you are right, I will buy you a banana split. There is absolutely nothing more delicious than the idea that this mother fucker couldn’t come up with a mere 20 GRAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m in piercing shock and golden awe!!!!

Trump sold Mar-a-Lago to Don Jr. on August 4. He's trying to protect assets as he faces all these court cases.

R557, now, I thought the law said that if your wife and minor children lived in you house they can't seize it. Especially if it's your primary residence. I'd actually t ake my chances with the courts because Donnie Jr. could OD any day now and he probably will leave everything to Kimberly Gargoyle.

Florida has homestead protection

Florida also has flesh-eating bacteria and a recent surge in cases of leprosy.

Why Don Jr and not Eric whose wife and spawn live nearby? Is Eric dumber or more addicted than we know of because he's not as prominent as his hoovering sib?

[quote] Trump sold Mar-a-Lago to Don Jr. on August 4.

[quote] …..Donnie Jr. could OD any day now and he probably will leave everything to Kimberly Gargoyle.

Damn if I will be a lady-in-waiting to that old hussy!

Mar-a-Lago is a business, not a residence so I don’t think it’s covered by the Homestead Act.

Trump did come up with the $20,000 which he won’t get back because that’s the service charge to the bail bondsman who will pay his $200,000. Trump either couldn’t come up with the whole $200,000, could, but wouldn’t have enough money left after, or plans to flee the country.

I believe 215 is his self reported weight and 250 was the actual jail weigh-in weight.

He looks like a whiny baby ready to smear shit on the walls in his mugshot, which tracks with his personality.

I love that mugshots last forever. Every time anyone searches his name, a mugshot will come up. Because he is a criminal. A thug. A loser.

[quote]I love that mugshots last forever. Every time anyone searches his name, a mugshot will come up. Because he is a criminal. A thug. A loser.

ANOTHER TRUMP FIRST!!! I tell ya... that guy made A LOT of "firsts" as POTUS...

In the Midwest, most cities require 10% or 20% for the bond. It is not necessary to post the entire amount. So if your bond is $1 million, you have to pony up $100,000. Personally I think his bond is too low based on the number of counts and the nature of his crime.

Trump...

" I never heard of the word mug shot. That is a word that they didn't teach you at the school of Wharton..."

Trump Says He Didn’t Learn About Mugshots in Business School

“I’d never heard the words ‘mugshot’ — they didn’t teach me that at the Wharton School of Finance,” Trump told Newsmax

BY NIKKI MCCANN RAMIREZ

SHORTLY AFTER SUBMITTING to his fourth arrest this year, Trump called up his backup right-wing propaganda machine Newsmax to discuss the experience of jail.

“What was the experience like today in jail?” host Greg Kelly asked on Thursday.

“Terrible experience,” Trump responded. “I came in, I was treated very nicely, but it is what it is. I took a mugshot, which I’d never heard the words ‘mugshot’ — they didn’t teach me that at the Wharton School of Finance,” he added.

Hours before, Trump had surrendered to Georgia authorities to be booked on charges related to a sprawling RICO indictment resulting from a lengthy investigation into efforts to overturn Georgia’s 2020 election results. The former president spent less than 30 minutes in the building, and was released on bond.

Trump called the prosecutors who charged him and 18 other co-defendants, including coup architect John Eastman, former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, “animals.”

“I don’t even know that I’ve met a lot of these people, but some I do,” he said. “These are animals, these are vicious animals that have destroyed the lives of these people,”

In the past, Trump would have opted to appear on Fox News, the network that helped build his political profile. But the former president recently jilted the network by refusing to participate in the first Republican primary debate, which took place on Wednesday.

The former president provided his analysis on the debate for Kelly, lauding his fellow candidate Vivek Ramaswamy for the amount of praise he heaped upon him. “I thought he was very good. I especially liked where he said I was the greatest president in his lifetime and long beyond,” Trump said.

And here I thought r567 was a brilliant satirist.

[QUOTE]“I don’t even know that I’ve met a lot of these people, but some I do,” he said. “These are animals, these are vicious animals that have destroyed the lives of these people,”

He really doesn't love you. Turn baby, turn!

The Trumps detest real animals. Junior murders them most of all.

Good they don’t have pets, given their cruelty.

This is long, so watch it at your leisure. But last night Joy Reid was especially eloquent, and Rachel was wonderful, as always. The coverage and analysis was superior to anything else I saw on CNN.

Joy called him "the most inadequate human being who has ever been President of the United States." Starting from 9:15 on the video her outrage and disgust are poetic.

"a vile, racist, anti-democracy buffoon...this is the buffooning of the American Presidency...this should not be happening..." Joy Reid is on fire tonight.

Jeff Clark made it overnight!

This is the one. This is where Joy Reid really demolishes Trump and Rudy.

What was the deal with that ridiculous motorcade to and from the courthouse?

This is the most deranged national-magazine editorial you will ever read, and it is neither irony nor satire:

Where was it reported that Dump put Mar a Lardo in Junior’s name? I would think this would make news. I haven’t seen anything online.

R577 it was the spectacle. He loves to still pretend he is President. So that plane with TRUMP emblazoned on it, and the motorcade complete with an ambulance. He got his Secret Service detail to request extra stuff. He had "staff" riding in a couple cars, too. But it wasn't all his doing either. Some of it was a ridiculous amount of security. As in a motorcycle escort that looked like maybe 20 motorcycles. Not to mention the closed freeways, including overpasses, and all the intersections on the road leading to the jailhouse. Cops were stationed at every corner. IMO a ridiculous display. I guess partly ATL and the state police wanted to be ready for anything. It was a show of force in case any MAGAts decided to come down town, but LOL! the MAGAts were probably too scared of BLACKS! to come to ATL after dark.

Jr pushing the merch. For the defense, of course.

(Warning: Twitter links to Don Jr's Twitter X account)

r579, There are conflicting reports. But most agree with this:

Why even ask people to self-report height and weight? What a fucking joke.

R580 It was a ridiculous display and no one should be involved with helping him put on a show. He's not president anymore.

Does the Maralago estate come with Senator Graham, who resides there on weekends and holidays?

^ Kari Lake has taken up permanent residence there as well. Will KKKari participate in Junior and Kim Gargoyle's coke-fueled orgies?

My dick is bigger than Junior’s, Kim. Interested?

[quote]My dick is bigger than Junior’s, Kim. Interested?

How big is your bank balance?

Will Gargoyle be greeting Mar-a-lago guests with a dance?

Mar-a-Lago also had Chinese spies, Pooty’s henchmen, Saudi agents, and who knows what else there gathering intelligence.

He won't be president again, most voters realize that he's mentally incompetent. If he wasn't born from money, he'd be a homeless guy.

[quote] But last night Joy Reid was especially eloquent

PREACH and SPEAK THE WORDS, GAL!!!

Even though you still need to find someone who can get your hair and pieces on point...

Jesus. When did Kimberly Guilfoyle turn into Leona Helmsley?

Crepe-y skin at her cleavage...

Next thing she knew, she was Giuliani's new "Big Tits," and complied. Because she didn't have another way to earn a living.

Ole Kimberly’s body parts are loosening and getting discolored and saggy.

For the octogenarian club members at Maralago, do they want to partake of this “SCRATCH ‘N DENT” sale?

R594 = Jane Seymour

Fani Willis petitions for jurors to be kept anonymous.

If the scumcunt Trumpers weren't threatening their lives and their families lives, she wouldn't have to do that.

They are sickening people. And, I hope it all comes back on them, tenfold.

Fani Willis is getting serious death t hreats and so is Raffensberger. She's at the top of the list for the shitforbrains crowd.