Indictment Day Thread

I’m excited! I want to know if it’s going to be more January 6 or January 32.

Thanks ElderLez!

Thanks ElderLez!

And yes, a fresh thread is a good idea. The other threads are fun and informative but there's a "spinning wheels" aura to them.

I hope he cries and his makeup runs down his face like lava!

If he has a weak turnout of fans, I hope he posts something like this:

"MAGADONIANS, MAGADONIANS WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME? HAVE YOU BECOME RINOS? DO YOU NO LONGER WANT TO TAKE AMERICA BACK FROM THE MARXIST, COMMIE, LIBERAL, WOKE AGENDA LIKE ONLY I CAN DO FOR YOU? HAVE YOU ABANDONED TRUMP AFTER EVERYTHING HE HAS SACRIFICED FOR YOU, MORE THAN ANYONE HAS SACRIFICED IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD?"

And not for the first time nor the last.

R5 - it could be three ponytailed hillbilly cousin-marrying MAGA extremist on scooters and he’d call it the biggest crowds ever. I expect he’ll have more supporters show up in Florida than NYC. I’m hoping at least one needs to be Ashlii Babbited. That’d make my day.

[quote]If he has a weak turnout of fans, I hope he posts something like this:

If he has a weak turn out he’ll boast that he had the YUGEST turnout ever and that they were all there to see an out of control prosecutor with Trump Derangement Syndrome who hates America try to destroy the US’s most popular president ever, him.

I did nothing wrong! This is an illegal witch hoax, a disgrace. Perpetrated by the Woke, Socialist leftwing radicals who want to destroy our country and take away your freedom. They're SICK. You have to fight; stand back and stand by.

[quote] I hope he cries and his makeup runs down his face like lava!

Rudy did that without crying. It was the sweat.

"I'm in Miami, bitch."

How Trump envisions his entry into the courthouse.

It would be lovely if only drag queens and trans activists showed in Ron DeSantis-style white boots.

Oh, Princely MAGAdonian

How brightly the sun shines on your greasy locks

Glinting off the swine's head you tote for Dear Leader

Oh, MAGAdonian! Oh, lil Princely MAGAdonian!

How I weep for the state of your cocklet -- so puny! Your devotion -- so misplaced!

Oh, lil Princely, MAGAdonian!

Afterwards, he has been invited to the Judge's chambers for a private lunch with Aileen Cannon.

I read that as "Incitement Day Thread" at first and honestly, it works just as well.

r15 They'll do each other's nails and giggle about the end of the republic.

For Clay Higgins it is most certainly incitement day.

Hopefully all the MAGAts and Trumpanzees will hae the batteries to their jazzy wheelchairs fully charged today!

Unlike NY, there will be no cameras, audio devices or pictures inside the courthouse. Probably more media outside the courthouse than protesters. The circus freak show that always shows up to support Trump is not doing the Republican party any favors.

BREAKING NEWS: MIKE LINDELL SAYS HE'S GOING TO BE THERE!!!! That makes it all worthwhile.

[quote]Unlike NY, there will be no cameras, audio devices or pictures inside the courthouse.

There were no cameras or audio devices in NY either, only a handful of approved photographers were allowed in to take a couple of snaps, then were ushered right out before the arraignment itself began.

Will Lindell bring enough Hardees for everyone? When the guy known for getting busted at the drive thru says he's coming, he better be providing snacks for all of the MAGAdonians.

The reporter this morning around 10:30 said there were fewer people there than were in NYC. She said NYC crowds "were more robust..." LOL! Mostly because Trump haters turned out to kick some MAGAt asses.

What time do the festivities begin?

Look. The MAGAts of Florida will show up after noon. The elders have to take their meds, have their morning BM, and get the early bird dinner at Olive Garden. The younger MAGAts are at work. They'll probably "get sick" after lunch leave work and show up before 1-2 and show up. Right now things look rather festive. Oh. I just heard that Trump would be leaving Florida immediately after his arraignment and head for NEw Jersey where he will hold a rally and talk to his supporters. So I think that sort of fucks up plans for a mini insurrection in Florida.

A MAGAdonian with an Ashli Babbitt T-shirt on The Independent's YouTube live stream right now.

r24 Four hours from now, 3 p.m. local time.

* Sorry, that was from a protest yesterday, it's not a live stream of today's gathering. My bad!

Most live streams are currently still fixed on Mar-a-Lago, to watch him leave the compound first.

Mr. Smith Goes to Miami

r24 2pm Eastern DST

I heard earlier this morning that Aileen Cannon won't be there! Someone else will be presiding today, but just for today.

r30 It's 3. p.m. ET, per The Independent, The Guardian, Vox, USAToday...

r31 Yeah, the bitch is laying low, ready to unleash hell during voir dire.

r32 they kept announcing pm up until a little while ago that it was at 2pm and I see they have now changed it to 3pm

They need to give Cheeto adequate time to change into clean Depends r34

LOW ENERGY! SAD! -- Democracy

Hot and humid in Miami. It’s summer in Florida. It’s no wonder there’s a sparse crowd; it’s unbearable if you’re not in water.

Plus, Miami is full of Hispanics. Not just Cubans and there’s a large Jewish population.

As others have said, more media than supporters.

MAGAdonians are getting desensitised to his indictments at this point, I doubt anyone will show up by the time he's arraigned in Georgia or D.C. or possibly New Jersey. It's like been there, done that, got the Ashli Babbitt T-shirt.

Bodes well for Anusmouth, I'm sure. Doesn't every innocent defendant act thusly?

"Hours before he's arraigned, Trump's now at the phase where he's calling Special Counsel Jack Smith a "thug" on his social platform and accusing Smith of planting evidence."

All these courthouses he's arraigned in will form the Stations of the Cross for MAGA pilgrims centuries from now.

[quote]I just heard that Trump would be leaving Florida immediately after his arraignment and head for NEw Jersey where he will hold a rally and talk to his supporters.

The question is, will the networks and/or CNN & MSNBC carry his remarks tonight? I'd like to think not, but I'm not optimistic.

What a freakshow this has become. Talk about bread and circus.....wow.

Someone needs to start making t-shirts now that read "I survived the Trump years"

Well, I think waiting until we actually survive the trump years might be a prudent business decision.

Omg!

Lmao at r12.

Happy Arrestivus, y'all!

[quote]Someone needs to start making t-shirts now that read "I survived the Trump years"

We haven't yet.

Yeah, people keep forgetting he can still stage a comeback in 2028 when it'll be a change election and the GOP candidate is basically guaranteed to win, historically speaking.

How does Ladybug G know Mango Mussolini didn’t engage in espionage activity and sold or traded informational content from those documents? Mango lies, so his denials can’t be accepted as truth at face value. Mango has long shown he is a Pootin asset. His dealings with the Saudis have been extensive and concerning.

So, how many MAGAts showed up?

Enough to make a maggot gag.

R50 Looks like several hundred? But, unless I am mistaken, it looks like there's a row of pop-ups with tables of vendors.

Trump rallies are this point are like Dead & Co tours. The crowd is older and fatter every year, and there are all-kinds of entrepreneurs selling absolute crap.

There's a sizeable crowd of whackjobs forming at the courthouse, as seen on this AP live stream.

Trump is leaving his abode momentarily. A handful of deplorables there as well.

Any reporting about people around surrounding bridges?

@MaddowBlog said "Oh?" to this tweet which Chris Hayes retweeted - can someone translate why this is noteworthy?:

Nevada GOP Chairman spotted inside the DC courthouse where the Jan. 6 et al grand jury meets.

“Not on my bucket list,” Michael McDonald joked when I asked him about appearing the same day as Trump’s court date.

R53 I love the guy who knows all about politics, the country, lies and truth.... "it's like a kid when you watch wrestling..." exactly

Reality TV. Rasslers. None of these people are serious people. They are dangerous. Dangerous and unserious....not a good combo.

NBC News: Nevada GOP Chairman Michael McDonald and Republican National Committeeman Jim DeGraffenreid at the E. Barrett Prettyman Courthouse in Washington, D.C., today, where the grand jury probing Jan. 6 is meeting.

McDonald and DeGraffenreid were two of the six people in Nevada who signed a document attesting that Trump had won the state’s electoral votes in the so-called fake elector scheme. McDonald has defended signing the document and the FBI seized his phone last summer, a source previously confirmed to NBC News. McDonald testified last year before the House Jan. 6 committee behind closed doors, where he invoked the Fifth Amendment more than 200 times.

A MAGAdonian with a "Trump/Desantis" sign, says that would be a dream ticket for him.

Oh god, look at this tat!

Random QAren now screaming her lungs out about Muslims, pedophiles, and Biden needing the electric chair. Stream cut her off when she said: "Any man that touches a child should be either shot in the hea..."

Off to a promising start, but not quite reaching the surreal heights of the NY arraignment just yet.

An older Latino deplorable in a red MAGA hat is now yelling in Spanish and the white MAGAts couldn't run away from him faster. Yikes!

Oof, there's so much screaming in Spanish now by Cuban deplorables, some on megaphones. I don't think this will go down well with their white counterparts. They're drowning out everybody else.

In case you're wondering what they're saying, it's the same old shit about how they fled oppression in Cuba and Venezuela...

I don't watch CNN but I tend to look at its website...it's graphically pleasing. R12 reminded me of the CNN headline

The Arrest and Arraignment of Donald Trump

Trump to turn himself in on federal charges

A couple hundred have showed. Average education level: eighth grade.

Enough of Dana Bash interviewing male MAGA political pals.

A bit off topic but all of a sudden I'm hearing references about a "valet" of Dump's. If he has a valet what are his duties? Trump is so awful looking that a valet is obviously not grooming or dressing him.

More anti-Soros flags than Trump flags in front of Mar-a-Lago right now.

[quote] If he has a valet what are his duties?

You don't want to know.

R66, his duties are hiding classified documents and lying to the FBI. He’s been indicted along with Trump.

So when is going to be reinstated? You know like your auto policy that lapsed, because you don’t like to pay your bills.

If Trump declared, if elected, he would pursue turning over the United States to Putin. A third of the GOP would still support him without wavering.

r71 As would a substantial portion of DL. They'd prefer that over an occasional tranny in a beer ad.

Hardly substantial, r72.

What the fuck is with all the motorcycles? They didn’t have that many in NY.

Well, the loudest portion, then.

Trump finds no new lawyers in time for Mar-a-Lago documents arraignment

[quote]Trump and his legal team spent the afternoon before his arraignment interviewing potential lawyers but the interviews did not result in any joining the team in time for Trump’s initial court appearance scheduled for 3pm ET on Tuesday after several attorneys declined to take him as a client.

Are they biker gang folks, R74?

r77 No, they're cops on motorcycles. Huge motorcade, at least fifty of them.

Here we go, he's leaving Mar-a-Lago now.

[quote]“This is the Thug, overturned consistently and unanimously in big cases, that Biden and his CORRUPT Injustice Department stuck on me. He’s a Radical Right Lunatic and Trump Hater, as are all his friends and family, who probably ‘planted’ information in the ‘boxes’ given to them. They taint everything that they touch, including our Country, which is rapidly going to HELL!”

Trump called Smith "radical RIGHT lunatic" in his morning rant today.

R72. there are some. A big portion of the trans-hate rhetoric come from trolls. One or two has been spewing extreme hate, with exaggerations and lies, for years now.

Most of DL weren’t particularly interested in transgenders, with some approaching the subject matter more with humor rather than contempt.

The coverage is just stupid. The motorcade is being broadcast full-screen on CNN. He is eating this shit up, I'm sure.

"My beautiful MAGAdonians, I suffer all this not for me, but for thee..."

Only a lil puddle of “supporters” aka paid Cubans.

Here we go, the orange eagle has landed. People cheering.

There he rolls into the court parking

That white guy in a "Blacks for Trump" T-shirt, I cannot.

The backs of ALL COPS have rip ties at the ready hanging out lol

[quote]The coverage is just stupid.

Yeah, r82, because this kind of thing happens all the time.

Pocket gay Shimon Prokupecz is soooooo cute.

*zip ties

R82 That's what I hate about all this. Just the usual All Trump, All the Time BS. Bloated images and fevered reporting... about nothing. Reality TV.

It seems he's clearly guilty. It's important, is so, that he be convicted and serve time. But I wish he'd just go away. He's like a cancer that keeps coming back.

The media is treating this on the level of the OJ Bronco chase. Ridiculous!

R89 There's coverage - journalism. Important

And then there's just feverish blathering on to keep up the image of seriousness and in fact it's sensationalist and banal.

[quote]about nothing.

Hardly.

Biggs wants war!

R95 The charges are important. The nature of how he drives to the court is "nothing".... truly

Thankfully. Not as many supporters as I thought there’d be.

Biggs needs a swift kick to the cuntbone.

R98 Yep, and the media are still trolling for a "multitude" of MAGA.

Cut off the oxygen on this poison.

Are the tRump support crowds as meager as they look on MSNBC? It looks like there aren't even 40 people there.

Jake Tapper is talking about whether he'll be finger printed with an electric scan or with old-school ink pads. This is stupid.

All these 2024 flags about to become obsolete 17 months from now, can't fucking wait.

So I guess it was at 2pm

There doesn’t seem to be many people there.

I read that they expected about 5k or more.

HA!!

The crowd is yuge! Bigger than my inauguration crowd!

Two women counterprotesters now simply holding up signs, and the MAGA crowd has started swarming them almost immediately.

I heard on the news some counter protestor in a prison jumpsuit was about to get swarmed and the police stepped in.

Chris Jansing is...66???

I like presidents who weren't arrested.

God, this is boring

r104 The booking/arraignment was at 2 p.m., the first appearance in court at 3 p. m. -- he entered the courtroom just now. So we were both correct!

Things must be bad for Donald Jr, Trump had second-string son, Eric, with him today for the arraignment. Is Eric all he has left? Has Eric won the race to be the Apprentice, as it were? Donald Jr. is too strung out, Barron is in his cage, Ivanka won’t return his calls, and Trump would never appear in public alone with the fat one.

R104, they go in early and get processed (mugshot, fingerprints, etc) and then wait around. He’s not the o Lu thing going on today in the court. Just like his NYC arraignment, it will take at least a couple of hours.

[quote]Things must be bad for Donald Jr, Trump had second-string son, Eric, with him today for the arraignment. Is Eric all he has left?

God forgive me but that Eric looked rather hot as he walked to the motorcade.

I guess Trump couldn't meet Melanie's appearance fee and riders in order to book her.

Jack Smith is in the courtroom, which isn’t SOP, but I’m sure he wanted to be there to stare Trump down.

Since the indictment was announced I've seen clips of numerous Trump supporters asked if they have read the indictment and the answer was always no.

He's supposed to give a speech at Bedminster tonight. Think Melania will be there?

Mel is in New York right now, I wouldn't be surprised if she popped over to NJ for that rally.

was that Eric? at first I thought it was but I think it was an agent

I’d give my left nut to do a Hunter Biden and Jack Smith threesome

In their defense R116, most of them aren't able to read. 49 Pages of anything other than dick pics is beyond them.

That's Eric

This coverage is a crashing bore. I'm done,

We're basically just waiting for the trial start date now.

[quote]God forgive me but that Eric looked rather hot as he walked to the motorcade.

Was it his moobs?

[quote]This coverage is a crashing bore. I'm done

Well then, r123...buh-bye!

They brought Trump into the courtroom ten minutes early and he had to sit there and wait with Jack Smith standing behind him waiting for the judge!

He *hates* waiting, Tony/r127

CNN: The judge has ordered Trump to have no contact with witnesses.

Jr was so coked up that they sent Fredo? They must know it's hopeless.

OH! Melanie sent her understudy

Anyone watching NBC? Does Hallie Jackson look like a different person or is it just because she’s out of the studio?

Yeah, I suspect some of the networks/sites are disappointed there's no violent protest.

R132 I want to watch MSNBC, I think its analysis is usually deeper. But Andra Mitchell drives me crazy. She just talks over others and can't hear.... she needs to retire.

So, back to boring CNN and Tapper etc.

No ban in international travel and he retains his passport. He’ll probably run to Israel or Russia if it looks like he’ll actually go to jail.

The reporters present all have remarked on how subdued and cowed, arms in lap and head down, he was in the courtroom. He also allowed the lawyers to plead and didn’t say a word during the proceeding.

Andrea Mitchell is the worst.

I would be ok with him in exile in Russia. Just get out of here or die, fucker.

Twice arrested, twice indicted, twice impeached.

How about a threepeat?

I read that Trump did not have a mugshot taken, but Nauta did. The beginning of two tracks of justice.

What kind of crowds is he going to get at Bedminster?

I’m not watching MSNBC, I hate Mitchell’s work. Hallie is on NBC with Lester Holt.

I never watch CNN anymore.

Exile in the failing, floundering Russian empire would be perfect.

[quote]I read that Trump did not have a mugshot taken

I mean... c'mon now. There are enough images of Trump's mug that can easily be uploaded into the system.

Nauta couldn’t find a lawyer so his arraignment has been postponed! Are you tell me that Trump wouldn’t pay for his lawyers to represent his codefendant? Unthinkable!

This could be a stalling tactic, given what I know.

[quote]I’m not watching MSNBC, I hate Mitchell’s work. Hallie is on NBC with Lester Holt.

I'm listening to CBS livestream...

What has happened to Nora O'Donnell's voice? She sounds like a little old lady to me. AND THEN there's the voice of Jeff Pegues. His voice concerned me so that I took a bit of time to research what was going on. Apparently, he now has a stress/anxiety issue that is affecting his voice

[quote]Nauta couldn’t find a lawyer so his arraignment has been postponed! Are you tell me that Trump wouldn’t pay for his lawyers to represent his codefendant? Unthinkable!

His valet! His right-hand man! UNTHINKABLE!!

"There he is!! There he is!! He's waving!!"

Mindless rot.

Watch what I tell you. Trump will turn on Nauta in short order.

[quote] The reporters present all have remarked on how subdued and cowed, arms in lap and head down, he was in the courtroom.

That's the classic display for someone looking for pity from the masses. He thinks if he looks pitiful the court will go easier on him. Fat change fat boy.

R147, possibly, but he’s always know to try to be charming to the prosecutor. He tried it with Letcia James in New York. He thinks he’s charming and can charm his way out of any situation.

[quote]Watch what I tell you. Trump will turn on Nauta in short order.

Trump has a lot more to fear from Nauta than Nauta does from Trump.

Re CBS

A supporter who drove 18 hours from Texas tells the journalist that she was there to support her president. BUT... she is open to hearing the evidence and doesn't know if this is something political or if he really did something bad,

AND....

She was surprised and disappointed that there were not more supporters at the event. This is causing her to pause...

Dump will gleefully let Nauta rot in jail and take one one for the Trump team so he can go scot free.

How anyone can do illegal shit for dump is mind-boggling

Hate or like Michael Cohen, but he got out early, did his time and had a rebirth of sorts

HA! You know... Trump is good.

He just made a stop at Versailles Restaurant Cuban Cuisine

That's a very good sign, r150.

[quote]I read that Trump did not have a mugshot taken,

Bear in mind that his supporters were hoping for a mugshot from his previous indictment, one that they could use as a money maker.

Ha ha ha! Good ol' Fuckface von Clownstick goes to lunch after getting his ass handed to him on a silver platter by Jack Smith.

It's a good day. Whatever his douchebags try to pull in New Jersey tonight it won't matter.

I need a Jack Smith doll... er... action figure. I need a Jack Smith action figure with his BDF.

Make America Law Abiding Again!

Trump made a stop at Griesides? for a meet and greet. He supposedly bought, he said “Food for everyone!” food there. Naruto was there being consigliere in the restaurant, so they are joined at the hip still.

It’s such a sad scene. Former President of the United States, in a Little Havana sandwich shop, buying people food for praise.

The restaurant was called “Versailles” in Little Havana. He did a little prayer as he walked in with the patrons, and they sang him “Happy Birthday!”

He’s desperate for a positive ending to a bad day and went to the Cubans for cheers. Unfortunately for him, the rest of America doesn’t blindly follow a leader like the Cubans in Miami did Batista.

Melania or a body double?

It’s so obvious there’s a Fake Melania.

[QUOTE]Nauta couldn’t find a lawyer so his arraignment has been postponed!

Are public defenders available in the Federal Court system? He'd never be able to afford the type of defense he needs.

As I was typing that I realized that he must be the WH valet the Bidens wisely dismissed when they moved in. Trump had dismissed the valet under the Obama and Bush administrations and brought this guy up from the WH cafeteria in the basement where he was a culinary specialist. Quite a jump. It may explain his loyalty to Trump. He went from a future in hard, low paying kitchen jobs to working for the POTUS. I'm sure Trump reminded him constantly that Nauta owed him.

We might actually now have a name to go with fake "Melania."

Doesn't the president's 'body man' always leave with the outgoing president? He's a person who is constantly with the POTUS and I can't recall one staying on with the next president.

Maybe Reagan's stayed on with Bush1?

[quote]The restaurant was called “Versailles” in Little Havana. He did a little prayer as he walked in with the patrons, and they sang him “Happy Birthday!”

Smoke & Mirrors. This is all done for the cameras. Now, if you were a newsperson would you report this? It's sheer media manipulation. But I don't know what I would do.

The little boy cowered in court like a first grader sitting in the principal's office. But, wait until tonight when the cameras are rolling. He will be Mr. Super-Macho, railing against the proceedings and the judge and screaming that he is being persecuted by the political Democrats and Biden.

I did hear several times that it was a planned stop, R164.

The weather looks good for Trumpeepoo's 'rally' in Bedminster tonight. Let's hope the crowd is disappointing.

Thunderstorms tomorrow beginning at 9:00am so no golfing for Fuckface von Clownstick tomorrow.

"Gonna be wild... ...and a BIGLY crowd. See you in Mu-amee!"

Turns out, reality bites...

Ana Navarro-Cárdenas @ananavarro 47m

I get Melania not going to arraignment re Stormy’s hush-$$. But what’s the excuse for not showing-up to support her husband, today?

And where are Jared & Ivanka? I mean, damn. Those two milked the hell out of his presidency AND they live in Miami!

With relatives like these…

R169 they are all grifters who hate him also.

Michael Beschloss @BeschlossDC 2h

This was the never-before-seen arrest of an ex-President on grave federal criminal charges and because we and our free press have been barred from watching and hearing in real time, the accused man managed to make it look like a triumphant motorcade arrival.

I insist Nauta, the Guam fellow, is off-duty or assigned kitchen duty when I am in Mar-a-Lago. During that time, I take care of Donald’s special needs.

CNN cut away from Versailles restaurant coverage. Jake Tapper: “I don’t want to see this.” MSNBC didn’t cover it either. I’m sure Fox was all over it.

Did they have to be so rough?

[quote]CNN cut away from Versailles restaurant coverage. Jake Tapper: “I don’t want to see this.” MSNBC didn’t cover it either. I’m sure Fox was all over it.

Yes. The ring-wingers are pushing the visit all over social media.

I read that at least one of the counts against Nauta was for something that occurred five or six months before he left active duty which may compound his problems.

Celebration:

[quote]This guy has been arrested this year more times than my cousin Ty, that's saying a lot

The bastard continues to suck the oxygen out of the nation as his sociopathic behavior continues to grind on.

Fuckface von Clownstick isn't enjoying this arrest, charging and arraignment nearly as much as I thought he would.

Has anyone spotted the "Fat Baby Donald in a Diaper" balloon overhead? We need that back in action.

I wonder if Ivanka, the least deluded of the siblings, thought he could get *this* bad.

"Former U.S. President Trump appears on classified document charges after a federal indictment at Wilkie D. Ferguson Jr. United States Courthouse, alongside his attorneys Chris Kise and Todd Blanche in Miami, U.S., June 13, 2023 in a courtroom sketch."

"New: Special Counsel Jack Smith was in the front row of the courtroom for Trump’s arraignment today — and stared towards the former president for essentially the entire appearance."

R161 you confusing a valet/body man with a chief butler.

"Trump looked frustrated throughout his arraignment. He folded his arms and re-folded his arms throughout, with a constant frown on his face. Todd Blanche, his lead counsel who appeared with Chris Kise, objected to the bond condition."

Is it true that Ivanka "complicit" Trump has changed over to using her married name now, Ivanka Kushner?

That would be a kick in the head for Papa. OTOH, maybe not - Trumps are always transactional in family relationships. She may see that there's nothing to be gained for her by continuing a public relationship with Dad. They may be as close as ever behind closed doors and Complicit is just trying this maneuver to save her fantasy-based "political career."

She's the most like him of any of his children. Remember that, kids.

Hot asf. Get him, Jack!

"Per @ GrahamKates, who was in the courtroom, Special Counsel Jack Smith closely watched Trump as Trump exited slowly at the end. He watched Trump glance at reporters sitting in the back. Smith never broke his stare at Trump, per Kates."

Was there a bond condition?

Jack Smith is not cowed by DJT. He wants it known he’s not fucking around.

Garland doesn’t want to be seen as political but Jack Smith is going full-bore.

Good for him.

For what it’s worth, my brother in law is a retired DEA agent—he helped arrest the Unabomber!—and he says Trump with be convicted and imprisoned. He has a lot of friends in the FBI, including a few who were in Florida court today, and they all say he’s toast

That’s pretty cool r189! I hope you’re BIL is right.

I'm R189 here's a personal observation that might explain lack of a crowd in Miami. My handyman has been a hardcore Trump fan since 2016. Drives with a huge Trump flag on pickup truck. (I've know him for years and love the guy like a brother, so I can't end friendship over politics.)

Anyway, I recently asked him if he wants Trump to be the GOP candidate and he just shrugged. He said he really doesn't care who the candidate is as long as they can win. think the explains a lot. Trump overestimating fans appetite for sustaining passion for him. They still like him but don't care that much whether he's president again.

ROR, R187. No conditions as yet, they may come up with some as we go along.

I'm very disappointed the turnout of this event because I was hoping that Ashley Babbitt was about to get a few dozen new like-minded friends.

I really want them to bring the 1/6 case soon!

Good point, R193, they just don't love Fuckface von Clownstick the way they used to, that's for sure.

There should have been Ashli Babbitts surrounding that courthouse, armed and ready to break in the windows and doors to free their Dear Leader or to hang Mike Pence, sometimes they get confused.

Patriots are just too few and far between in Miami these days. Fingers crossed for the bigly rally in New Jersey tonight!

Where was Bobo and Gaetz? Doesn't Gaetz pretend to be a representative of Florida? Where was Shittenmouse? Where was Ted Nugent? Chachi? Hercules? Krusty Swanson? Charlie Kirk? Ye, who wanted him as VP 😆?

Where's the LOYALTY?

"Trump's motorcade made a stop at Versailles Restaurant Cuban Cuisine, a well-known Cuban spot in Little Havana, a neighborhood where he has many supporters.

The restaurant is a popular spot for candidates on the campaign trail. Faith leaders prayed for the former president, and supporters snapped photos with him. Trump briefly addressed reporters, saying he would be giving a "little speech" at Bedminster.

Asked at the restaurant how the court went, Trump said he thinks his case is "going great."

"I think it's a rigged deal — we have a rigged country here with the country, we have a country that's corrupt," Trump added.

Supporters also sang "Happy Birthday" to the former president, who turns 77 on Wednesday.

Rose Rodriguez, 58, said her parents came to the U.S. from Cuba, and she believes if Trump doesn’t win the 2024 election, communism will come to the U.S. “I know what communism is,” she said.

Rodriguez said attended Tuesday’s gathering — it wasn’t her first pro-Trump event — to prove he has a support system.

“He’s a man for the people,” she said.

[quote] Rose Rodriguez, 58, said her parents came to the U.S. from Cuba, and she believes if Trump doesn’t win the 2024 election, communism will come to the U.S. “I know what communism is,” she said.

Her PARENTS might know something about Communism but Rose doesn't. She was born and raised right here in Murica. She's been in Murica for almost 60 years and doesn't know jack shit about Communism.

Fucking Cuban Americans, man, Castro is dead and buried. Let it go.

This fucking guy loves the spotlight so much, he is taking the perverse joy in being front page news. Tiresome

I don't think a former POTUS belongs in prison but everyone who helped this guy does including Comey and Barr and DeSantis

You don't think someone who illegally kept state secrets and exposed them to all and sundry should be convicted and jailed, just because he happens to be a former president?

Dump can't read. Put the people who put the grift together in the clink, including gin and Thomas

It’s been reported that some of the documents were so secret, they couldn’t be included in the indictment due to national security.. With Trump, it’s always worse than it first appears.

Fuck that, R200, you are so fucking wrong it's painful.

The mistake we made with Nixon was in Ford's giving him that pardon. It was fucking stupid. It shitcanned the rule of law and placed the POTUS as being above the law. The fact that we allowed Nixon to walk was our biggest mistake.

If the logistics of keeping a president are unworkable, fine. Don't put him in jail if that can't be properly done BUT convict that motherfucker, fine his ass into bankruptcy and see to it that he is never permitted to run for public office again, at the very least.

[quote] I've know him for years and love the guy like a brother, so I can't end friendship over politics

You absolutely can, you just choose not to.

The logistics of putting him in a secure jail are nothing compared to the logistics of allowing him to continue to compromise our national security by disclosing who knows what to whomever. And that isn’t even accounting for the logistics of his potential return to the White House or allowing our adversaries to believe recruiting spies to become President or already Presidents to become spies is easy because there are no consequences.

Get Guantanamo ready.

We can't jail him? Ok.

That's what the electric chair is for. Or a firing squad.

I'm good with "not jailing him" as long as the alternative is that he gets the Rosenberg Ending.

No pussing out, though. No fines. No gutless ankle monitors. No exile toaggit Lardo.

Door #1 or Door #2.

*exile to Maggot Lardo

Maggot Lardo is not secure. He’s not guilty of something like accepting bribes like Agnew. He’s an active security risk.

Letitia James explained that her case and others currently pending against Donald Trump “will unfortunately have to be adjourned” while the ex-president faces federal indictment for his unlawful handling of classified documents.

“In all likelihood, I believe that my case as well as DA Bragg and the Georgia case, will unfortunately have to be adjourned pending the outcome of the federal case,” James said. “So it all depends upon the scheduling of this particular case. I know there’s gonna be a flood, a flurry of motions, motion to dismiss, discovery issues, all of that. So it really all depends. Obviously, all of us want to know what Judge [Aileen] Cannon is going to do and whether or not she’s going to delay this particular case.”

Exhume. Ivana's. Coffin. She's not buried on a goddam golf course. If she knew of those plans she'd have risen from the slab.

Make Americans Hang Our Heads in Shame

R159 - That's not Malaria or a body double. It's Kaitlin Collins - since she doesn't sleep she can do her morning show then motor down to Florida to scope out the scene. Besides, there are no SS around - only cameramen and such.

[quote] Exhume. Ivana's. Coffin. She's not buried on a goddam golf course.

R211. People are saying that when Trump plays golf with his Saudi and Russian “friends,” he always has a tent put up around the gravesite and has another “wake” for Ivana. The foreign visitors always leave with smiles on their faces.

He'll be going to prison and not enjoying all of the attention then.

Some good news- Trump's popularity amongst Republicans drops. If it gets worse, watch all of the vermin in Congress jump ship quickly.

You may be right, R206.

I think he's too dumb to remember what's in the documents for passing on now but he could and that's dangerous enough.

As ever, I fall back on my traditional position re Donald. A massive stroke on the golf course is best. If it doesn't outright kill him at least he won't be able to run his fucking mouth anymore.

Did a big crowd show up in Jersey?

All the best people, r218.

I don’t know if there was a big crowd R218, but a big cow did show up.

ew

All the best people in New Jersey... that's not really saying much, is it?

I mean, there's Springsteen but he wouldn't go. Jon Stewart definitely wouldn't go either...

Yeah, I don't have high expectations for Donald's Indictment Day hootenanny.

Well, if we can't lock up Trump, can we borrow St. Helena from the Brits?

Who assigned Judge Cannon to Trump's trial? I can't find an answer.

They spin a wheel.

If Plan A - documents indictment fails there is always Plan B - Jan 6th. He would not be able to ever hold office if he's found guilty of insurrection. Jack Smith is working to make things right.

r224, they only have something like three judges from which to choose in that jurisdiction. They're chosen randomly and it was always a one in three chance that it would be that cunt.

[quote] Who assigned Judge Cannon to Trump's trial? I can't find an answer.

R224 I think Florida and New York attorney Michael Popok on the Meidas Touch YouTube channel said Cannon may have been selected by the court clerk who filed the indictment document, perhaps based on Cannon’s prior involvement in Trump’s search warrant lawsuit about his having the documents. A different judge was named as the magistrate judge that actually presided over the arraignment. Popok said the 11th Circuit appeals court will very likely remove Cannon if she doesn’t resign voluntarily and her presence is challenged. I couldn’t tell from Popok’s statements if the clerk that assigned Cannon is dumb, lazy, a MAGat, or all three.

Judge Cannon should recuse herself but don’t hold you breath. If the government tries to remove her, they’ll be accused of trying to get a favorable judge. Maybe if she makes a stupid judgment, the appeals court will remove her.

Cannon isn't recusing herself or she'd've announced that by now. We're stuck with her, Smith is basically just waiting for her to make a mistake, so he can lodge a motion to reassign to the appeals court.

Smith can ask her to recuse. He doesn’t need to wait until she makes a mistake. If she declines — which she likely will do — he can then take her decision up to the 11th Circuit, where he has a decent chance of prevailing.

[quote]God forgive me but that Eric looked rather hot as he walked to the motorcade.

Bad slut! Bad, bad!

*sprays water bottle*

[quote]Smith can ask her to recuse.

He can in theory, but he isn't going to do that from the outset because it would be a terrible look for him and would poison the relations going forward. He's going to pounce once he actually encounters a terrible ruling on a motion, so the appeals court steps in to preserve their reputation. US Attorneys are way smarter than you, trust me.

[quote]Maybe if she makes a stupid judgment, the appeals court will remove her.

I'd imagine that the prosecutors will be watching her every move as the case proceeds. If they think that they have valid grounds to request it, I'd imagine that they will. Her track record re. Trump is grounds for skepticism.

Cannon is a sloppy amateur. Expect mistakes.

Did she make mistakes in that other Trump trial she presided over?

Indeed she did.

[quote]Did she make mistakes in that other Trump trial she presided over?

Bigly.

Moron Orange just keeps flapping his gums, to his own peril.

As per the amazing Congressman, Ted Lieu:

"1. Presidential Records Act defense does not apply to classified documents from federal agencies.

2. The Bill Clinton case did not involve classified documents.

3. Trump just admitted to some elements the prosecution would need to prove. Prosecutors can now just show this tape."

[quote] Did she make mistakes in that other Trump trial she presided over?

Great. Now we have curiosity trolls.

Call me idealistic, irresponsible, unreliable, throw in undependable too, but I think there is cause to predict that Judge Cannon will behave herself and put in effort at being fair.

Not only for the reasons already stated - Smith will immediately appeal to the same body that handed her a professional humiliation and will do so again, but, let's keep it real : while she may have a lifetime appointment, even she notices that Trump is very diminished.

I think by now she may believe it's "safe" to rule impartially.

And no, Smith will not, nor should he ask her to recuse unless she makes a wrong, appealable trial ruling.

R220 what a messy sloppy person.

Love the song R240!

The courtroom artist was kind to Trump.

Listen, Aileen Cannon joined the Federalist Society as a LAw student. She was first sponsored by Marco Rubio, who, ironically sits on the Intelligence committee. Rick Scott is also backing her, and Clarence Thomas is the Supreme who presides over Florida's 11th Court district. She was disciplined by the Chief judge of the Appeals Court, but she's still there. And if it's true some clerk assigned her the case, it would not surprise me to discover that clerk is a MAGAt. That was no accident. IMO, the only way to remove her is to entice her with future promises. Have to be done behind the scenes. She is a registered Republican who donated to De Santis in 2018. Some fool on TV said she embarrassed herself and was reprimanded for the way she messed up Trump's previous case and maybe she learned her lesson. But that's total bullshit. That's "Susan Collins logic."

Back at 'ya, ElderLez, at r242.

Would someone help me?

Everyone is going on and on about the Cannon judge--legitimate conversation. They say that she has been humiliated and if she does anything wrong risk humiliation again. Okay...

What consequences has she faced? She was humiliated. And?

Another thing...

Trump isn't a flight risk?

HE HAS HIS OWN PLANE FOR GOODNESS SAKE!

[quote] But that's total bullshit. That's "Susan Collins logic."

lol, 244. This is r240. That was a good one.

Of course Cannon is politically, ideologically and professionally craven. And I do wonder about her basic legal reasoning skills, too.

My point is now that at this point everybody knows, including the conservative 11th circuit, that Trump is diminished, and yes, so are his dangerous Flying Monkeys, and that's true no matter how many restaurant crawls Trump takes in Little Havana.

I'm not underestimating Trump or his Moronic Minions. I'm just saying having to hitch your wagon to him, rescue him, that is less and less a factor by the minute.

R248 I see what you're saying, but as I look at the scramble by especially the House members and others in leadership positions attempting to defend this, I can't help but remember other occasions when at first it seemed like his supporters were backing away, but they they rallied and got on the same page.

Yes, Trump is diminished. But he is still the former POTUS, and the whole idea of a political prosecution seemed to resonate with Cannon the last time. She is not looking at this the way you or I would. For Rubio and the others, it's not just about Trump.

Ultimately, They want this to look like an attack on the Republican Party because so many of them, including Clarence Thomas and GInny are vulnerable. Members of Congress are vulnerable, etc. They know they a r e all in the shitter, and for Republicans, that is the signal to dig in and fight like hell and go on the offensive. She is invested in that too. She needs to be removed.

The Dems are at the moment not dancing on the indictments and Biden has admonished them not to comment. Good. The Republicans claim it's all political. So the basis to remove her IMO strategically is for the Dems to make sure she is cast as the ultimate political partisan with no place in this legal proceeding.

Do a reverse psych on the Republicans. They say "It's political" Dems should counter with, "Yes, Cannon is being too political." Make a stink. Fight. Because this is bigger than Trump. The January 6th investigation is going to cast a wide net and they know it. They're setting the table for their base right now.

I want to know how Cannon got the case. Really. I think something smells rotten there. What's the process? Who is the clerk? This was no lucky coincidence. This was orchestrated. Some reporter needs to start digging and expose it.

[quote]I want to know how Cannon got the case. Really. I think something smells rotten there. What's the process? Who is the clerk? This was no lucky coincidence. This was orchestrated. Some reporter needs to start digging and expose it.

While there could be something tawdry, it could be 100% legitimate too. They spin a wheel. If there are only 3 judges' names on the wheel, she has a 1 out of 3 chances.

I think she’s probably smart enough to realize that if she doesn’t want to be smacked down again for blatant malfeasance she’s got to tone it down.

[quote]Great. Now we have curiosity trolls.

I wasn't being a curiosity troll; I was trying to remember whether her rebukes by the 11th court were for actual procedural mistakes or more general sloppiness/bias (or both, for that matter).

[quote]I think she’s probably smart enough to realize that if she doesn’t want to be smacked down again for blatant malfeasance she’s got to tone it down.

Hi Elder Lez. So, I still have the question of "So what?" What consequences will she have?

R250 here. Just read that the Georgia governor, who is an avowed enemy of Donald Trump, just announced he will support who ever the Republican nominee is, even if it is Trump. He will support Trump if Trump gets the nomination. I expect more Republicans to do likewise. R253, that would certainly be the normal reaction. But aside from getting smacked down, what were the consequences? She didn't suffer any consequences beyond that. She has shown, IMO that she is first above all a Republican no- matter- what.

She was overruled. That was the consequence. She might realize that it is better to get a little of what she wants successfully than everything and get nothing. Giving the prosecution clear grounds for appeal doesn’t really work to her advantage in the long run.

Supporting a shithead who stole, showed off, and (let's be real) sold our classified nuclear and military secrets? ON BRAND for today's dumpster fire, traitorous Repuklican party!

Fuckstain Cons, just come out and say you hate America. Just say it. Just say: "I love power and a few white people and THAT'S IT."

You don't think Trump & Team haven't ALREADY talked with her and assured her gleeful compliance???

[quote]She was overruled. That was the consequence.

Okay... (bear with me, please...)

She's still a judge. There were no sanctions. She lost no cases to her case load. She's still allowed in restaurants, etc... So what her reputation was sullied a bit

R257, but if she is 100 % die hard Republican, and she has gotten where she is by being loyal to the Republicans, then being overruled is not a very big price to pay. Her priorities, as she demonstrated in the previous case, have very little to do with the Law and everything to do with politics. She has a life time appointment to the court. She's young enough that eventually, down the road she will come up for a promotion to the Appeals bench. And she won't get there based on her legal abilities, she will get there because of her politics. I know I seem cynical, but as I have observed how things work these past few years, I can't help but be. Look at Supreme Court Justice Amy. Political ideology is all that counts for these Extreme Republicans.

[QUOTE]Giving the prosecution clear grounds for appeal

The prosecution can appeal a loss in the Federal Court system?

Good point r262. They can appeal certain rulings about procedure, like about what evidence is admissible, but if Dump is found innocent, that’s the end. My feeling is if Dump thinks she’s in the bag, he’d forego a jury trial and have her adjudicate, knowing full well she wouldn’t convict.

The Judge was selected by some kind of random process (one pundit even seemed to say it was a computer algorithm with various selection criteria narrowing the pool down to three judges). I think R262 has the main point. While there are scenarios where certainly things can be appealed, she'll certainly have the ability to affect the trial and its outcome. Look for her to accept challenged to the prosecutors and long delaying hearings on that, just to start. She can (and likely will) delay things to last through the 2024 election.

Rocket docket? Umm... stop it docket.

[quote]Trump isn't a flight risk? HE HAS HIS OWN PLANE FOR GOODNESS SAKE!

I hope he flees the country and never comes back.

He needs to continue his great love affair with Kim Jong Un. It will last all of three Scarramuccis, and then he will be fed to Kim's dogs. Kim can play the grieving widow, maybe slim down again. Problem solved, y'all!

Trump, ... and I have said this before,... will not leave the country. Not because he doesn't want to, but because he only has power and influence here. And secondly, even more important, he would have to pay. The Saudis, the Russians, etc. China, Eastern Europe, no one will take him unless he pays them. And Trump never pays anyone. He is going to see all his delusions bursting before his eyes. He thinks those oligarchs and arbas all love him because they kiss his ass. But they laugh at him behind his back. And he is very high maintenance. So no. He won't flee the country...as much as I'd like him to. And speaking of the Intel community, the international intelligence community is really pissed off. They have some exposure.

[quote]I hope he flees the country and never comes back.

Indulge me while I fantasize a little. Trump flees the country to one of his authoritarian refuges. He continues to campaign from there, retaining his hard-core base but shedding less bat-shit support to the point that when he does get the nomination in a lively, remote-speech-enhanced convention, big-money donors actually run some more conventional rightwinger as an independent. Biden cruises to victory à la Clinton in 1996 or Obama in 2012, and that's the last we hear of MAGA, pending the next iteration of reactionary astroturfing.

Whatever happens to this traitorous piece of shit, at the very least his fingers need to be broken, his vocal chords removed and he needs to be shut away in a dungeon with NO HUMAN CONTACT for the rest of his miserable existence.

A good, old fashioned Byzantine dungeon or an oubliette somewhere in Gitmo.

Trump has around the clock secret service protection. They know where he is at all times.

Hmm. Current charges (for documents) might be only first wave. Why wasn't he charged with "dissemination" of docs? Because he showed docs in Bedminster.... and Smith might be planning a second round of charges in New Jersey.

Cannon is not doing the same math you all are.

She likely figured out a long time ago she can’t cut it as a “great legal mind.” She’s not going to make it on her own merit.

She’s going to have to work angles. So that’s what she’s doing. Pleasing the Republicans IS her job, as she sees it.

A reputation (as a good judge) is not her goal and is not something she values.

...or. she could just be stupid in the tradition of Boebert and Greene.

Trump should be convicted, sent to federal prison, and me forced to have Todd Chrisley as his cellmate.

On other notes...

What's the story with the Trump Presidential Library (I actually think that Mar-A-Lago would make a great location and I (forgive me) might even contribute money to that in order to preserve the structure.

The Trump's White House protraits. Will they hang?

Trump and Melanie's funerals. Do they deserve State funerals?

[quote] Trump and Melanie's funerals. Do they deserve State funerals?

Sure, if they can be so kind to die within the next few weeks.

Damn you r274 - I just got an intrusive mental image of Chrisley doing Trump’s hair in the morning. Shudder.

“Good luck, Walt!”

R278 That is fake

State funeral? State party! Like Mardi Gras!

If they have a state funeral for this bastard, I'm definitely queuing up to visit his coffin. I'll happily wait my turn. And when I get up there, I'll do a jig, take a selfie with his casket, and rub my dick against it like a cat against the couch as the guards drag me out.

Maybe the south Florida Cubans can throw him a big fiesta funeral, day-of-the-dead march, and all that folderol.

Just FYI, Ronald Reagan’s grave is relatively unguarded…

I'm having a difficult time understanding what this person does in terms of substantive work to earn her six-figure salary. And she lives over a hundred miles from the courthouse.

[QUOTE]Trump appointee Judge Aileen Cannon has remarkably little experience overseeing criminal trials and now has an incredibly complex one. She has presided over four criminal trials while on the bench for a total of 14 trial days.

That's alarming, R284. But maybe not so considering what we endured for a pResident.

Kid Rock may have seen classified materials?

On the upside, R286, we had one clinically retarded ex-president showing secret documents to a clinically retarded singer. Neither of them knew what they were looking at. Which I guess is obvious if Dump had to ask Skid Rock.

For reasons passing understanding, I like Kid Rock. He did a killer set at the Kennedy Center honors for Led Zeppelin. He also dressed up (for him) and behaved himself appropriately in front of President Obama and the First Lady. I know he's a redneck dumbass hick who has almost no redeeming qualities. Out of all the redneck scum around Trump, Kid Rock is the only one I think is not a natural Nazi. I could be wrong but that's what I think.

I liked that he dumped Pammy Anderson when she treated his mother and sister like trash. Good for him.

Please, R288. If Pam treated them like they’re trash, it’s because they are.

If Cannon deliberately fucks this up, I'm sure Jack Smith will find a way to put the permanent screws to her.

She can fuck it up by delaying shit. And with directing what evidence can and can’t be used. And with how she instructs the jury.

The Cannon woman is craven.

Jack Smith isn't dumb and he sure as hell didn't put all this together just to have some poorly qualified moron on the bench fuck it up for him. He will step in and have this cunt removed at the earliest possible opportunity.

What R293 said.

Apparently one of the statutes involved here (Classified Information Procedures Act) contains language that gives Smith quite a bit of latitude in contesting any delaying tactics by the judge.

No! I done read on Facebook that my President Trump was allowed to declassify all of them documents as the rightful president! You dumb libitards will see! You'll all see when KILLARY, drunk old Pelosi, Sleepy Pedo Joe and his Crime Family and every GLOBAL ELITE swing from the rafters! GOD IS IN CONTROL!

I have to say, I've seen that right here at the DL, R296. People post "see the reddit threads" as proof, twitter twatterings as some kind of evidence and tick tock, facebook and instagram as totally vindicating whatever it is they're blathering on about.

It's bizarre and not actually evidence or proof of anything.

Fox Noise has been aggressively pushing video all week that purports to show President Biden accepting bribes.

Nobody's actually seen the video, mind you. But GOP senators all know somebody who know somebody who told them there's a video out there that will NAIL SLEEPY JOE.

R233 is exactly right about how Smith will proceed with the MAGA judge.

I didn’t get to read all of the posts between late yesterday and today, but wondered if anyone here mentioned the likelihood that there were even more damning documents taken from Trump that couldn’t be named in the indictment because they’re too sensitive to be presented in court to a jury. I heard one of the MSNBC/NBC legal folks bring it up yesterday.

Biden is really active for such a sleepy, dementia riddled elder who never leaves his basement, what with all of the bribe taking and outsmarting the GOP and meeting world leaders in war zones and at multi national conferences and creating a record number of jobs and passing a huge amount of legislation.

I hope to be that "sleepy" and "dementia riddled" one day.

[quote] If Pam treated them like they’re trash

Pam, herself, is disease-riddled trash.

Ladybugs G needs to chat with Fani, not Hannity.

^I’ll watch “fired-up” Lady Lindzebelle only if she wears that lavender hoop skirt of hers with the matching parasol.

Do you believe this?

[quote]Jason Miller @JasonMillerinDC 9h Trump Raises over $7 Million Dollars After Special Counsel Indictment

[quote]Former President Donald Trump’s campaign raised more than $7 million since Special Counsel Jack Smith announced federal prosecutors indicted Trump. Trump’s campaign issued a press release when fundraising numbers reached $6.6 million, but a Trump campaign source told Breitbart News that number is well over $7 million. “Since deranged Jack Smith took the unprecedented step of weaponizing the justice system to attack his political opponent, Donald J. Trump for President 2024 has raised more than $6.6 million in just a few short days,” the press release read. Trump’s campaign announced that it raised $2.1 million of the $7 million at an event held at the Trump National Golf Club Bedminster in New Jersey hours after Trump’s first court appearance.

[quote]Trump’s Ex-Chief of Staff Says He’s ‘Scared Shitless’ Over Indictment

I wouldn’t doubt that he raised that much in a few days, and then it then dropped to zero. Dump is a grifter. Everything is a rally to him, even an arraignment. And he grifts from rally to rally to keep the cash flow going. Never mind that he’s not even being investigated for misspending campaign money.

I can believe Trump raised that much, this country is filled with idiots:

Nearly 3 in 5 potential Republican primary (59%) voters back Trump for the party’s 2024 presidential nomination, up from 55% last week before news of his indictment on charges related to his handling of classified documents after leaving the White House. Almost 1 in 5 (19%) support DeSantis, nearing an all-time low since tracking began in December.

My QAnon uncle has pretty much emptied his savings for these grifting cretins (he "brags" about it on social media and begs other to do the same) and does work under the table to make money, to send them more. Q tells him to, you see. He is helping to fight the pedo rings and global elite, y'all!

I feel like the tax people should pay your uncle a visit, R308.

*wink, wink*

Wow, R308...

I'm listening to "Morning Joe" and he is reporting that there may not even be a need to worry about Florida and Aileen Cannon. There are rumors of a NJ indictment which will be much worse?

Krispie’s old stomping ground!

[quote]I’ll watch “fired-up” Lady Lindzebelle only if she wears that lavender hoop skirt of hers with the matching parasol.

Fiddle dee dee, lavender is so last season! All the most refined persons are stepping out in heliotrope!

Wish I could remember the article I read recently that outlines all the grifting the QAnon people do as well as other "conspiracy websites." Apparently the entrepreneurs have taken over scamming people with all kinds of "medicines" and creams and pills to make your dick stay hard, t shirts, flags, and gadgets etc. It's kind of sad. Because they're making millions off the stupidity and obsessions of their followers.

Has a Grand Jury been called in New Jersey?

Now that the Judge has forbidden Trump and Nauta from communicating with one another, Nauta ought to be available to the prosecutors. But it's almost like he is a hostage of Trump. He is being kept closer than anyone I have seen in Trump's orbit over the years, including his wives..

Better late than never?

Social media is no longer covering every fart by Trump and conservative media does not like it! (start at5:48 mark)

Of course, Trump is going to keep Nauta as close as possible ad will try to dissuade him from seeking independent counsel. Trump's probably terrified he's wearing a wire. If he lives on premises at MAL, his quarters will be bugged. He's probably followed when he leaves the grounds.

Surely, he must, at some point, realize he'll be discarded like everyone else.

[quote] Social media is

Oh, dear.

I was watching Reality on HBo and it made me so damned angry I had to stop watching it. It's a documentary about Reality Winner. The exact audio and transcripts from the FBI surveillance are a very powerful device. It's 90 minutes. Painful but worth watching.Reality was arrested for passing one document of classified information to a member of the media. She was a contractor who discovered Russian interference in the 2016 election. BEFORE the election. Trump went after her with a vengeance. It shows how the justice department can chose to be aggressive or not. Her lawyer was on Chris Hayes' show talking about how Trump didn't have to sit for a mug shot or have his passport revoked and how few limitations were placed on him. He was treated with kid gloves. After watching her I feel like Trump will never see the inside of a jail. I do believe he will be convicted though. Because unlike January 6th, which is essentially a domestic uprising, the classified documents affect our allies too and the international implications demand we do something. Other world leaders faced prison so he deserves something consequential.

[quote]Now that the Judge has forbidden Trump and Nauta from communicating with one another

They're forbidden only from discussing the case with each other, which is, of course, a useless order.

[quote]Her lawyer was on Chris Hayes' show talking about how Trump didn't have to sit for a mug shot or have his passport revoked and how few limitations were placed on him.

Other special treatment Trump enjoyed, as per emptywheel:

1. He doesn't have to stay in South Florida. Unlike most accused felons, Trump can hop in his jet and fly all over the world raising money.

2. He didn't have to provide a DNA sample. Imagine if those who have accused Trump of sexual assault could know that prosecutors could check their dresses against Trump's DNA.

3. He doesn't have to call his probation officer every week to assure her he was staying out of trouble.

4. He didn't have to submit to substance abuse testing and/or treatment.

5. He doesn't have to refrain from excessive drinking.

6. He doesn't have to participate in a mental health assessment and/or treatment.

And more ....

R318 That battle's lost... college linguistic professors now say "social media is..."

"Social media" in that context is being used to refer to a concept. It is a singular entity.

I'm sure it's just a misunderstanding....

R304, is that Jason Miller, THE Jason Miller? The married and father of four Jason Miller who put an OD of abortifacients into the Jamba Juice of the stripper he was banging and had knocked up? She was unwilling to get a quickie abortion like his mistress did.

The stripper he was banging ended up in the ER, he put such a heavy dose in her juice. She lost the baby and almost lost her life.

So is that the Jason Miller you're asking about, R304, and you want to know if we believe something he posted?

No, R304, no one with more than two functioning brain cells believes Jason Miller about anything.

Whatevs, R325! At least he doesn't have NAKED PICTURES like Hunter Biden! Jason Miller is a CHRISTIAN!

Jason tried to get some naked pics, R236, but the camera lenses kept cracking.

Sorry, R327 was meant for R326 not the dyslexic 236.

Was he using panoramic view, R327? I hear that's what they use for orcas.

[quote]Trump’s Ex-Chief of Staff Says He’s ‘Scared Shitless’ Over Indictment

And he was already incontinent.

I feel so sorry for Donald's undocumented maids.

Especially the one with which he has the out-of-wedlock child. I'm sure, like E. Jean and the many others, he raped her.

On Youtube this morning I watched some Trumper's being interviewed. We have already discussed how many mentally ill people there are in this country running around but I didn't realize until I watched this that most of them are Trumper's. We really, really need to find a way to help all these people with mental issues not just because of Trump but because of all that are like him and these people feel the need to connect with them..

^ I keep saying that it's too bad more of 'em didn't die of Covid.

Okay now...

Why would Trump reject a deal? Here are my thoughts;

He believed that there were more than enough judges, et alia in place who would never bring charges against him or convict him. I still believe that Trump saw a much greater payday in selling those documents to a foreign concern. Finally, he surrounded himself with far too many "yes, people" who dared not tell him the truth and therefore he believed his own press.

That's the one R325. The SAME guy that knocked up campaign staffer AJ Delgado and wanted her to abort of which she refused and hid his income to avoid child support.

That's sweet, R333, but what is needed is one of those Canadian-style voluntary euthanasia joints.

When the 'tard loses again (and he will) or goes to prison (fingers crossed) then they will need a way out. Rather than taking up arms, let them check out permanently. Tell them it's free nachos and beer.

Jason Miller is very ugly, deceptive, and void of charm. What’s wrong with these women dating and having babies with him without knowing much about his character?

Jason Miller - is he the one that looks like a thumb?

They’re Republican women, R338. They lack good sense, by definition.

I think if Trump is gone, like, if he dies or goes to prison and is finally silenced to where he can't give speeches or get media coverage, there's no one charismatic enough to take on his "legacy." and all these cretins, these MAGAts who supported him will crawl back under their rocks.

How is he going to keep all his lies straight when he is juggling multiple trials?

I hope he's fucking miserable every second of every day for the rest of his life. Of course I want real, severe consequences and justice to be served. But for now, I hope he's starting to at least feel the screws tightening.

As long as he can raise money and go to rallies, make speeches and treat this like a political problem instead of a legal problem he will be fine. He isn't suffering nearly as much as he should. He still believes he can beat it by doing the same fucking thing he has been doing for the past 8 years. Every single time he is caught in a mess, he goes public with his victimhood. The tactics he has been using got old to me the first time he tried. I cannot watch the news media. All they want to do is keep talking about what he is saying, how he is reacting, what he might do, what he should do, blah blah blah. I am tired of the shit show. Turn off your TV. We have a long wait until a trial. The press knows nothing, they will milk this as long as their ratings hold. How dare they normalize this POS? They're the ones who made him and allowed him to get away with it. They . The media needs Trump more than any other entity out here.

[quote]Jason Miller is very ugly, deceptive, and void of charm.

I liked him in "The Exorcist."

R339, no, Jason Miller is the one that looks like a pumpkin with a goatee.

R343 100% (as the young folks write these days). Trump is a grifter performance "artist" par excellence. He can control himself in court, where an outburst could cause a judge to immediately charge him with contempt of court and have him hauled away to cool down. The raving he does outside of a court room I believe is completely performative to achieve his own ends. It might be why he doesn't stroke out or have a heart attack: he's acting for money and fame.

FUNNY!

The new "Law & Order"

[QUOTE]Trump didn't have to sit for a mug shot

The upside of this is that he and MAGAts can't slap the mugshot onto all sorts of merchandise to grift. Can you imagine the mint that they could have made were a mugshot released publicly?

r342 Several people who really know Trump have said that he is scared to death. He is miserable and will be until the end. The anticipation is usually worse than the actually event which in his case would be because he can't go to a regular jail. He would still eat well, live well, etc. but as long as he doesn't realize that he will be scared. it is probably going to take a great toll on his health too. This much stress isn't any good for anyone no matter what age and he's old. He has reached his finishing point.

LOL! I'm listening to "Morning Joe" and they had me laughing because of the way they were going on about Trump's obsession with the boxes. It reminded of the character Neely O'Hara in the movie "Valley of the Dolls"

"My boxes. My beautiful boxes..."

R349, if he's scared shitless and worried, maybe it's because he's thinking about all the stuff the DoJ has not discovered, and he thinks it is in jeopardy. Or maybe he's worried about some pissed off Russian, or Saudi who might want to off him for being so sloppy and careless.

A normal person like you and I would be scared. Trump isn't normal. He gets angry, and goes out here and performs. He is convinced if he keeps the Republican Party on his side, and he keeps his base, he will beat this. And why not? He survived two impeachments, and negotiated deals for a Trump University settlement and the theft from his non- profit charity.

His financial liability with E Jean Carroll requires no jail time since it's civil. As far as he is concerned, those are wins, and that's how he'll spin it. He was attacked and everything is political. That is how he is framing all his legal problems. I believe that in his mind he is so powerful and so smart, he is untouchable. The notion of going to prison is as impossible to him as the sun rising in the west.

I've been watching him and reading about him for years now as have so many of us, and that's how I interpret this current situation. It's nice to believe he's scared. But he worries more about whether or not Mar A Lago runs out of his favorite chocolate cake.

Being scared would mean he acknowledges he did something wrong and will pay the consequences. And that is inconceivable to him.

Trump has had decades of practice justifying what he does, and just digging in and doubling down.

Damn, the producer that ran the chyron "Wannabe dictator speaks at the WH after having his political rival arrested" referring to Joe Biden has been fired by Fox News. I only feel compelled to comment on this because I can't help thinking he's a good looking dude in a MAGA crowd where ugliness, old age and obesity is a general rule. It goes to show that you cannot always judge a book by its cover.

He's close to Tucker...

R355 Related: I always got a latent-gayboy from Carlson all the way back to his early CNN and MSNBC appearances with that silly bow tie... and then his embarrassing assertion of the power and importance of "real men" (including those who spead open to let the sun shing on their balls).... I think he's a homo in there somewhere in his darkness.

Asa Hutchinson has asked the RNC to amend its loyalty pledge so candidates won’t have to promise to potentially support a convicted felon. In a call yesterday, RNC officials said absolutely not.

Omg, R354 - that guy exudes “douche”.

Miss Lindz loves & defends her orange muffin.

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^^^Someone really needs to release that PIG’S kompromat. I bet some of it is just stunning.

The word around D.C. has always been about him getting gangbanged by BBC.

[QUOTE]His financial liability with E Jean Carroll requires no jail time since it's civil. As far as he is concerned, those are wins, and that's how he'll spin it.

However, his $5M liability is accruing interest, even during the appeals process. E. Jean's lawyer can literally request a seizure of assets if he does not pay up. Presumably, he still owns some real estate?

R357 Ronna Romney McDaniel has done a horrible job running the RNC. Mitt Romney must really be ashamed of her. If they wanted to do better at winning elections, they should hire someone like Michael Steele.

Then again, do I really care or want them to do better? No. Keep flailing and infighting, it just means more wins for Democrats, democracy, and the USA.

When the census was happening, Rona McDaniel’s RNC sent out a similar questionnaire form that deceptively looked like census forms, but contained way more extensive and personal questions. It was not labeled RNC, but “community” something. I expect many thousands were deceived. I received one, but am not a Republican voter.

I called the RNC headquarters and complained. I also wrote them demanding no more mailings from them. I let the Census Bureau know I received such, and informed them about the tactic the RNC used which obviously they already knew.

How I got on their mailing list, I believe, is that I wrote one of my state’s Republican Senators concerning a local environmental issue.

The RNC is sleazy.

The RNC ought to be cited under RICO as a criminal enterprise and decertified for their role in every state in the January 6th Insurrection. They helped raise money helped organize recruited, facilitated transportation and housing and reached out to the militias, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and other assholes. In fact some of those are in official positions with state party chapters.

Shawn, if you ride the ATV, anywhere near Nancy’s house, please pick up a bag on her porch with scrap vegetables for the chickens. Just put it on the porch here and let me know. Thanks.

[quote]Byron Donalds on Newsmax says Trump just needed more time to go through his classified documents, because he was too busy running the country when he was president to sift through them

[quote][R357] Ronna Romney McDaniel has done a horrible job running the RNC. Mitt Romney must really be ashamed of her. If they wanted to do better at winning elections, they should hire someone like Michael Steele.

We all know why Michael Steele (who did a MUCH BETTER job than Ronna Romney) was hired even though he wouldn't accept that kind of talk at the time. HOWEVER, Matt Schlapp let him know to his face and put him in his place quite pointedly about why he was hired and never rehired.

Michael Steele has certainly had the last laugh on his former RNC colleagues and those fuckwits in the GOP.

He's still respectable to the majority of Americans. Yes, he did some fucked up things but compared to these MAGA-Nazis he was a choirboy. Even when he was with the RNC I always liked Steele, I just never agreed with him on much.

[quote] Newsmax says Trump just needed more time to go through his classified documents, because he was too busy running the country when he was president to sift through them

Laughable. First, he spent most of his time while he was purportedly “running the country,” watching Faux News all day long. Second, he had nothing to do once his fat ass was out of office. He had plenty of time to go through those boxes in all of 2021 and into 2022.

When he says he didn't read these documents? That is truthful. He doesn't read so he sent a minion to source documents on his behalf for his clients.

His administration got a wish list from prospective customers.

You may have forgotten he had private meetings under suspicions circumstances with various despots during his time in office.

What wad discussed during these meetings? The meetings were not recorded.

" We would be interested in X"

"ok, I will see what I can do. I will have my people take a look"....

This is just one example

Republican Karl Rove has officially dumped Trump, saying:

[quote]“America will pay a high price for the former president’s reckless petulance… The blame for this calamity rests solely on Mr. Trump and his childish impulse to keep mementos from his time in the Oval Office, no matter what the law says.”

Trump's mental state is getting worse, it wouldn't surprise me if he has a psychotic break.

R373 And yet Rove is still not admitting the probability that Trump has been selling those documents. That’s not “childish,” that’s cold and calculating and could cost many people their lives.

R373 - Rove is calling them “mementos”, so still not admitting what he actually did.

R376 Perhaps the remaining “mementos” didn’t sell well, so look for a Trump “Going Out of Sedition Sale—Everything Must Go!”

No. It is too late to walk away from this mess. He did not do this,👇 any of it on his own. He had a lot of help. And now they want to act as if they didn't know what was up.

R377 I’d give you 100 wit and wisdoms for that “going out of sedition sale.”

WHAT IS THAT MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE (I'm watching Jezebel with Bette Davis & Margaret Linsey... I replaced southerners with people...)

Why are people afraid to use the word TRAITOR?

Trump's lawyers quit because he wouldn't take a plea deal. He should plead insanity and for once he wouldn't be lying.

R381, I heard one of the lawyers who quit advised Trump to return the documents, he would not and that’s why he quit. Instead, Trump was listening to some idiot from Judicial Watch, who is not even a lawyer and has no legal experience, but told him, sure, you can keep those documents, they’re yours. Trump liked that answer much better.

If he had listened to his lawyers, he would have just returned them and likely got away with it, maybe with a fine at most. Likely not even that. I wonder what Trump is thinking about his refusal to listen to his counsel now? Regretting it at all? Or has he talked himself into some form of denial? If he goes to prison, that will be the reason.

He gets a pass from the media because he's a media professional. He is not a politician. He's not even a successful business person, he just played one on TV. This media, his peers, are erroneously describing these indictments as unprecedented.

The indictment is unprecedented. Not the crime?

As my Granny used to say, "He ain't got "do right" in him."

The lawyer was begging him to return the docs. BEGGING him. And after they were served the subpoena, he even wanted to call the DoJ and negotiate the return with no blowback. He was trying to make a deal for Trump to just give them the stuff and call it a day. But the Judicial Watch guy was telling him not to. I do so want the other shoe to drop. Out here somewhere is someone or several someones who can tell us who he showed them to and what his plans were for them, and maybe he already did a few deals. All you had to do is say you were going to use the toilet, bring your camera phone in there and take you photos. he probably charged the Saudis a million dollars to use the toilet.

He did not do any of this on his own, he had a great deal of assistance from his professional peers in the media who benefit from the grift.

Morning Joe offered candidate dump dozens of opportunities to interview during the campaign. Why?

Morning Joe is attempting to distance himself from this now but he is responsible for giving a non serious candidate airtime where nothing of substance was discussed.

Everyone involved in this deserves to be punished.

That is exactly what happened r385

Speaking of Morning Joe, I tried to watch it a couple days ago because they had a guest on I was interested in, and once again I discovered how totally unwatchable it is. Joe never stops talking. His guests just nod their heads and agree with him as he anticipates their comments and rambles on. Meanwhile I discovered that Mika had work done. I haven't watched them in a long time. She now has the cat lady plastic look. Kind of like Melania's twin sister only with short blonde hair.

I'm disgusted with the media psychoanalyzing him saying he was quirky or obsessed or WTF ever. He was trying to sell information. No one wants to even suggest that and you know damned well, anyone with a working brain, that he will figure out a way to financially profit from anything. He certainly did during the pandemic, when nurses wore trash bags and the body count was stacking up.

Didnt CNN, once a respected news source just give dump a town hall filled with an audience hand selected by maga and instructed to only cheer? A town hall moderated by a magat with a problematic history of making incendiary comments ? DUMP HAS RECEIVED ASSISTANCE FROM HIS PEERS INSIDE THE MEDIA TO GRIFT.

Right from the beginning, his peers in the media normalized an unsuitable and unqualified candidate by describing it as a populist.

What is a populist?

A populist is a non serious,unqualified candidate with strong media connections, who doesn't belong on stage in a presidential debate.

Hillary was over-prepared for the debates.

the media is not psychoanalyzing him, they are normalizing this stupidity because they are benefiting from his grift directly or indirectly.

Dump is a media professional and the media circled the wagon to give him cover.

They ALL did it. The way he was fawned over in 2015 and 2016 was despicable. Remember Jimmy Fallon having him on and tousling his hair. Ha, ha. So very funny and relatable. Or that jackass Matt Lauer allowing him to call in to the Today Show on any given morning to blather about whatever he wanted. And, yeah, Morning Joe was a whole other level of bad.

His pre-Elon ban from Twitter was a joke because everyone repeated all of his nonsensical “Truth Social” musings on Twitter anyway.

In some sense they are still doing it by following his every burp and fart. Thankfully and finally, the rally at Bedminster following his Florida arraignment was a bridge too far for some of them.

Whether to mock him or to adore him 🤮 people are addicted to this train wreck and the media knows that and follows suit.

The media certainly shares some responsibility but the ultimate fault is with the people who voted him into office. Every single one of his media appearances demonstrated how unfit he was for office, but a whole bunch of Americans fell for the posturings of an obvious con man.

Dude, he lost the election

That fucking election was stolen by shifting 77,744 votes in 3 states. He tried to do it again in 2020. Remember his phone call to Georgia? He was very specific about the number of votes he wanted Georgia to "find." but the SoS told him to go fuck himself. The Russians came to the U.S. in 2014 and travelled to a number of states to observe how the elections process worked. This was confirmed. It isn't speculation. Also confirmed that hackers found a way in to the computers tabulating votes and "could" have changed them in at least 21 states, but an investigation could find no evidence any votes were changed. Now, I ask you, if you were able to hack into the system and had the ability to change the votes, would you walk away, if you were Trump's people? PResident Carter said it quite plainly. Trump stole the 2016 election.

[quote] How anyone can do illegal shit for dump is mind-boggling

Because the only thing Trump is good at is manipulating people. He is a master manipulator. He picks out the people he wants to be devoted to him without fail and treats them like royalty to get what he wants out of them, including to be on his side when he gets himself into trouble. That's the way all manipulators are. They've always got to have their little core group of devotees who are too stupid to see what's going on and how they're being used, or worse know what the score is but don't care as long as they're being treated nicely. And I've always said there are few people more disreputable than those who turn a blind eye to others who mistreat people as long as they're being treated well by that person.

a week after the guy lost a five million dollar Civil suit against one woman who accused him of rape, CNN offered him a town hall.

The ratings were dismal, criticism widely shared and Anderson Cooper responded to the criticism with a hands on hips, neck waggling scold.

The worst thing we can all do is be complacent about all the ways these Republicans try to "win" elections. The Biden agenda has to include killing the filibuster, expanding the court, then passing anti discrimination against people's sexual orientation, passing reproductive rights, VOTING RIGHTS, and going after the thugs in every damned state who have seized control of the Republican PArty. They do not represent the majority of voters. And while we're at it, declare Proud Boys and Oath Keepers domestic terrorists. The fact that the GOP goes after books and education in general, tampering with the curriculum is proof positive that these rigid ideologues want to truly change the country, by cultivating ignorance at a young age, conditioning kids to reject Democratic norms. We have one hell of a fight on our hands and we should tear a page out of their playbook. Be relentless. Never acknowledge defeat, and never stop.

[quote]The Biden agenda has to include killing the filibuster, expanding the court, then passing anti discrimination against people's sexual orientation, passing reproductive rights, VOTING RIGHTS, and going after the thugs in every damned state who have seized control of the Republican PArty.

Voters need to elect a lot more Democrats to make any of that happen.

R401 we need to win back the House. And we need to pad our lead in the Senate. We can get rid of the filibuster with a simple majority vote, I think. Not sure.

I have never understood the devotion celebrities engender. Never But obviously there are a lot of people who are "fans" of Trump's. Now this Walt guy was a valet for years. He was always a servant. So there was something in his personality that was probably just drawn to Trump and easy to manipulate.

Walt is like many male conservatives: posturing as an Alpha but obviously just wants another man to give him orders. Is fine with doing horrible things, if told to do so. No real will of his own, does as he's told because it comforts him.

[quote]In some sense they are still doing it by following his every burp and fart. Thankfully and finally, the rally at Bedminster following his Florida arraignment was a bridge too far for some of them.

IMHO, the media is slowly (very slowly) waking up to its complicity in all of this mess. However, it shies away from its responsibility and accountability for the mess. Trump is a marketing and media savant. Everyone has fallen for his shtick for far too long. But I think it's odd and telling that so many people who have advanced degrees all the way to a doctorate level can't seem to outmaneuver him. Why don't Christie (and many others) simply call into these morning shows unplanned? What can a program do? The powers that be can only say "yes" or "no" There are many other initiatives that candidates can initiate and execute to snatch the name Trump away from the headlines.

[quote]The media certainly shares some responsibility

Some?

[quote]How anyone can do illegal shit for dump is mind-boggling

Because of their own personal greed and quest for power. As a recent example just look at the guy (whatever his name is) that applied and PAID to work for George Santos. Why on earth...? But if you're thinking of a book deal, television appearances, etc you might overlook some of the flaws of Santos and hopefully pray that he just gets much worse. That might enrich the book advance.

How much was Orange Mussolini charging per hour the foreign spies visiting the special Mar-a-Lago bathroom?

Just guessing, $250,000 each? More?

I was exhausted with the MSNBC echo chamber... (and I am pretty far to the left) ... but after 2020 I was so grateful to just limit my mainlining of news; all Trump, all the time, was toxic for me. I began to love the world and have a life. 2022, no Red Wave, keeping the Senate...

Then the indictment, CNN's existential drama, I began tuning in, again, to lots of pundit coverage on the cable networks.

Going back and forth between CNN and MSNBC coverage of the indictment - Jesus Christ - MSNBC is aimed at elite lawyers who want to follow detailed analysis - a very liberal bias, but intelligent and reality-based. CNN is just clown show performance - it truly is just entertainment. Colors, sets, chyrons, simplified bombast. MSNBC - lots of boxes with talking heads focusing on 1) details about the law 2) partisan political analysis and 3) cynical but celebratory reaction to Trump's legal jeopardy.

CNN is a sugar-high of blathering surfaces. MSNBC is a sludge through the details seasoned with progressive grave-dancing... but at least it seems like news.

I wish a copy of these documents would show up somewhere.

It all moves so slowllyyy. It’s frustrating. We have a quick development and then nothing for weeks or months. The election may be over before any of these court cases actually conclude.

Hmmmmmmm

We need to stop simply focusing on Federal elections and start taking back our STATE houses.

As we have seen, when the STATES are strong, it prevents the Fed from getting out of control or allowing some shitgibbon traitor to just throw out our votes and install whoever they want.

Yes, it’s important to retain the WH. We can do both. Win back our state houses and keep the WH. We got complacent. We fell asleep at the wheel.

If we do not wake up and start long term working and planning, their christofascist dreams will manifest.

Agree... but look what happened in 2022. More progress at the state level than in many, many years.

R411, it's easy to pick them off when you have a list of top-secret names that smells like the bathroom freshener spray at Mar-a-Lago.

Remember those secret meetings in the Seychelles with Erik Prince? I wonder what classified info was traded then.

Possibly related.

[quote] The election may be over before any of these court cases actually conclude.

That’s what tRump is hoping for. Jack Smith is aiming to deny it to him. That’s why his prosecutors didn’t put travel restrictions on tRump, didn’t demand that he forfeit his passport, etc. Because he knew that it would unnecessarily delay the trial without much real benefit. It’s why Smith has already begun turning over the non-classified discovery materials, to save time.

Hopefully the Georgia election interference indictment in August plus a DC indictment for sedition soon and a possibly also Jersey espionage indictment can fill in any dead space.

It's a fragile opportunity to unplug him. Does having so many cases at once just fill the air with too much noise? Or will the noise cross some tipping points (combining metaphors of sound and mass)?

As much as we continue to be drawn to the Horror Magnet of Trump and MAGA, I think the election will hinge on Biden's health. Every additional election charge just amps up support among the 38% of Trump addicts. Can Biden present the (literally) viable alternative to those for whom Trump is a real problem?

r418 - Donald's dance card is gonna be *full*, ElderLez!

There’s a clear precedent for what happens when a President dies. There is no precedent for what happens for when a President has court appearances in Manhattan and Atlanta all week. It’s a bad look. That’s why the Comey thing with HRC was so damaging.

Let’s hope Doris! I don’t want him to have time for a single waltz with the voters.

Whatevs, R411! Those operatives are what we MAGAdonians like to call "suckers and losers"! Just like my president Trump said! If they're were good enough to stay alive, they must have been Deep State or libtards so I don't care.

I can't accept the word precedent in use for the discussion about this shameful experience.

When he wandered center stage demanding to be POTUS, it needed correction.

The precedent is allowing a non-serious candidate to be permitted to be on stage with Hillary Clinton.

[quote]permitted to be on stage and stalk Hillary Clinton

Fixed it for you, r424.

Has Trump lost weight?

I read that Smith had requested a speedy trial in the indictment

America cried itself to sleep last night.

You know how he always projects r428.

How many "patriots" came up to him with tears in their eyes today?

He really is so fucking pathetic.

If you knew someone IRL who was as pathetic as this asshole, you’d be laughing in their face.

R428 Sorry Shitler, the crowds were cheering like this when you were arraigned the other day.

[quote]Donald Trump Says Americans Are In Tears Because They Are Upset About His Indictment!

Well, sort of. When I heard the news, I laughed so hard that tears were rolling down my face.

Hoping for his THIRD Indictment Day this week?

Will the number of crimes go over 100 with Indictment #3? My guess is: YES.

Orange Cobbler gave Walt the weekend off. Miss Lindzebelle arrived early in Maralago for the Father’s Day extravaganza.

^Did she lead the all-lady bunny hop review last night with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Kari Lake, Ginni Thomas, Kellyanne Conway, Pam Bondi, Aileen Cannon, Roseanne, Sidney Powell, Kay Ivey, Marsha Blackburn, Rona McDaniel, Laura Ingraham, Jeanine Pirro, Elise Stefanik, and Kristi Noem?

From ^...

[quote]In 1953 I was mortified, along with my entire 2nd grade class, by our teacher Mrs. DeGoyer. She dressed us all in the same one-piece type of white pajamas (padded feet) and forced our mothers to make little cottontails that snapped on to our rear ends. And we all wore white bunny ears --- homemade, of course. Then we rehearsed the Bunny Hop for two weeks so we could perform it for the elementary school's autumn show. At the end of the dance we tore off our oh-so-cute cotton tails and threw them at the audience. When the audience laughed we didn't understand and most of us started to cry uncontrollably Mrs. DeGoyer was not happy. We weren't too thrilled either.

R436 r437 Ray Anthony is still living at age 101. He’s the last one still living from the Glenn Miller orchestra & band.

R410 Yes, the federal government works slowly at every level. There is so much red tape to be cut through it's ridiculous. There is no reason why it's processes can't be streamlined and simplified.

"Reporters reveal the bizarre scene inside the Miami courtroom with Donald Trump"

I loved that Jack Smith stared him down. Interesting to me that he'd even show up, in the "audience" so to speak, but maybe that's how it always works. It's like a great movie with the arch-villain and the white knight. Let's hope it works out in the end.

But can Biden beat anybody but Trump? God the crazy rump of frenzied Christofascist voters is gonna take this country down. Can't we just carve up into pieces so they can have their little bit of the third world without dragging us all down with them?

Garland needs to go. I guess the American public listens to all these lies about how "political" all these investigations are, and having someone who moves as slow as Garland sort of tamps down on the bitching. But this whole Insurrection thing has been mishandled from the start. The lack of urgency led too many people to believe this was no big deal. It was a big deal. We look weak in the eyes of the international community for allowing it. And our own people are confused, and perfectly willing t o minimize it. I would have insisted that a Special Prosecutor (Jack Smith) be appointed to oversee the investigation and set up a military tribunal to litigate the cases. The tribunal and the investigators would have agencies in every single state to investigate and charge people. It would have been done with a sense of urgency suitable to the crime. Trump and his sidekicks would have been tried in a military court. And Gitmo would have been repopulated with domestic terrorists.

No. Those walking pimples deserve NOTHING. Let them crawl back under their rocks until their ilk die off.

We fight until they're beaten, because unless we do they will never learn.

[quote] Garland needs to go.

First it was that he had to go because he refused to prosecute at all and now that tRump has been indicted it’s because he hasn’t moved quickly enough. For two years DOJ has been prosecuting the J6 insurrectionists who breached the Capitol, including some of the leaders like the Proud Boys. Reports are that Smith is readying more indictments in DC for the political leaders who attempted to thwart the Constitution and stop the peaceful transfer of power.

I’ve known Merrick for 30 years, first when he was in DOJ previously in the 1990s, and then as an appellate judge. While I think that he’s one of the smartest lawyers around, I’ve nevertheless been disappointed in the pace of this process — though, to be fair, it matches perfectly with the person I came to know. Now that Smith has moved against Cheatolini I’m willing to give Merrick more time to indict the rest of this band of traitors.

Agree with Generals Grant and Sherman above.

Fuck those motherfucking racist, homophobic, misogynistic christofascist talibangelicals straight to hell!

Burn those motherfuckers right down to the ground AGAIN and THIS time, no quarter for the traitors.

We don’t give an inch. EVER. We gave ground before and let them have their TV stations and their bullshit. Now they think they OWN the whole goddamn place!

Fuck them! The lot can eat shit and die twice!

[quote] I’ve nevertheless been disappointed in the pace of this process

On the other hand, look how much information has come out in this amount of time.

R444, Garland lacked the fire to prosecute this the way it should have been. Garland is probably a very decent, scholarly, deliberate person. No way should an event that occurred on January 6th 2021, still be up in the air.All the planners and funders are still planning and funding plots to undermine our elections. Many of them have taken over the machinery of the state parties. And Michael Flynn Roger Stone, Steve Bannon et al are still out here along with Trump raising money and making speeches. That is so wrong I am at a loss to explain it. No wonder people are willing to believe it's all political. With no sense of urgency, and no swift and certain consequences they are r olling right along. The insurrection was t he beginning. It's still going on. The Conspiracy to undermine and overthrow our government is still happening. I'm sorry. Merrick Garland was out of his depth, and I wish Smith had been appointed two years ago. This has nothing to do with Garland's capabilities. In normal times he'd be f ine. This is no ordinary time...to quote my favorite First Lady, Eleanor Roosevelt.

r447 but Smith wasn't appointed until recently. But thank God he was appointed.

Let’s all just give Merrick some space right now. I am *most* pleased with Jack.

Appointing Smith two years ago would have made an even bigger shit storm.

I would just prefer not to have to hear Merrick Garland’s unpleasant, gravelly voice. It’s very grating.

R450 some shitstorms are worth having. A massive crack down would have been in order. And most of those so called insurrectionists would have peed themselves. Cracking down on Proud Boys and Oath keepers and other militia types immediately would have sent a huge message. And honestly, we had the House back then.. The people screaming loudest right now are House members who are worried about playing to their districts. Not a single one of them could win a state wide election. Adn tell me please, someone, why the fuck is Michael Flynn out here making speeches raising money, and running candidates for office? Steven Bannon too. And Roger Stone who loves flying under the radar when the shit gets heavy.

His indictment didn’t even fill up 600 post. If this was 5 years ago it would have been part 10 by now.

He is over. Nobody cares.

Well, there goes that the FBI is partisan. They waited a year before it considered investigating Trump re January 6th?

Elie Mystal @ElieNYC 12m

[Ahem] I’m going to be on @thereidout tonight at 7:00 to discuss the Washington Post story about Merrick Garland being exactly the guy I’ve said he was for the past two years. I dunno, I’d watch.

The desire by the FBI and DOJ not to look partisan stopped them from doing their job.

[quote]His indictment didn’t even fill up 600 post. If this was 5 years ago it would have been part 10 by now.

Well the indictment was what we've been building up to, r453. Once it was done, what was there to say? Plus more indictments to come.

He’s on Fox News right now giving his legal team (or what’s left of it) strokes.

How can anyone simp for him? What a p.o.s.

I never thought I'd see the day that anyone on FOX was a tougher interviewer than what Trump faced on CNN but it happened tonight. What a time to be alive, folks!

I think Jack Smith would make a very fine US Attorney General but he probably wouldn't want it. He seems like a freelance type of guy.

R459 I saw a clip of that and it's obvious that Trump is feeling desperate. I'm laughing at his latest weak excuse that he had personal stuff in those boxes that he needed to sort through. Damn, he's dumb.

I think anyone who has Trump on TV for an interview is a POS. He is an indicted bastard traitor. We know he took the documents. We know he colluded with our adversaries. We know he incited and PLANNED to overthrow our elections. And he is finally being charged. There's no two sides to this. He ought to be a pariah. Instead he's holding rallies, raising money, and doing TV interviews. No wonder people are so closely divided about his culpability. Most people have lives and don't follow things that closely. But they know Trump is being Trump on TV etc. Real confusing.

I think Trump's going to crack. Psychotic episode incoming.

Jesus just the first minute of Trump on Fox is so incriminating!

He's starting to wear his "hair" like his daddy.

Someone please LOCK UP this grotesque blob!

It sucks that he gets so many forums to lie, but he can’t seem to open his mouth without further incriminating himself. This is probably one of the biggest reasons lawyers won’t touch him. Most criminally charged people would either not interview or have their lawyers with them. Not Trump. He sits there blathering on and on.

If they stopped interviewing him, he would just keep bleating on and incriminating himself via Truth Social.

It's nice that he's finally making himself useful by giving the prosecution all of this video evidence, though. Thanks, Donnie!

That interview with Bret Baier on Fox News was off-the-rails bonkers. The absolute best thing that he could say about in hindsight is that it provided him a basis to begin to claim an insanity defense. His exasperated “I didn’t have a document,” in the face of several people who will testify that he in fact showed them a highly classified document is hardly convincing. The way he argued with Baier about not being able to declassify documents because he was no longer president — when they were both saying the same thing — made him seem even more stupid than you could imagine.

It makes you shake your head in stunned amazement that this braying jackass served for even one day in that high office, let alone four years.

Next up on Truth Social: "OK, I Stole them and Sold them to our Enemies, BUT it was "AN ACCIDENT"! I'm still a Savvy Genius! Totally Innocent! The Corrupt Biden DOJ MUST DROP All the Charges of this "UNAMERICAN" and frankly MEAN WITCHHUNT of Your favorite President!"

Judge Cannon sets preliminary trial schedule for Trump case, beginning Aug. 14. But don't count on it.

Macaroni, oops, mean MAGA Ronna, doesn’t perform so well before media that will scrutinize her lies deflecting to Hillary and so forth.

It's about time and LONG overdue. The only journalist I have seen do this was Joy Reid. She was stopping Trumpeters dead in their tracks years ago. I'm not a Joy Reid fan. I can only take but do much of her but she was on top of the stop telling lies movement that seems to have taken over journalists now

Unpopular opinion but I believe the reason it took so long for Garland to do anything is because he had to “clean house” first.

There are dozens of Russian spies/sympathizers inthe FBI and NSA. McGonigal comes to mind.

The dude had retired and yet, Garland’s DOJ gathered the evidence, sent the case completely across the country to avoid McGonigal’s network of lackeys and snagged the sonofabitch.

How many MORE scumbags do you think had to be rounded up in the FBI before the investigations could begin? People we’ve never heard of but we’re either part of the planning/part of the intelligence network or part of the financing had to be dealt with FIRST and quietly so not to alert the real targets.

The truth is, the Russians, the loony Dominionists, Opus Dei losers and libertardian dumb fucks have ALL dug their tentacles in DEEP to the government.

Liberty University, Bob Jones University and the rest of these reich wing shitholes have been brainwashing kids for years and setting them up with internships.

How long do you think it takes to root these traitors out of the various departments? They have to be rooted out before the REAL WORK can begin.

The Trump friendly judge set a court date for August, but is it true she can just grant a motion to dismiss the case and it will be all over?

[quote]Unpopular opinion

It makes total sense

[quote] The Trump friendly judge set a court date for August, but is it true she can just grant a motion to dismiss the case and it will be all over?

No. It is an appealable order. If Judge Loose Cannon tried that nonsense she would be smacked down by the Eleventh Circuit very quickly. And, Jeopardy has not yet attached, so no, it is definitely not over.

[quote] 18 U.S.C. § 3731: In a criminal case an appeal by the United States shall lie to a court of appeals from a decision, judgment, or order of a district court dismissing an indictment or information or granting a new trial after verdict or judgment, as to any one or more counts, or any part thereof, except that no appeal shall lie where the double jeopardy clause of the United States Constitution prohibits further prosecution.

Ronna has always been an embarrassment. Seriously. She always wanted to "be in politics" and watching her rise to her level of incompetence has been very satisfying. It didn't take long. Her level of competence is very low. But she comes by it honestly. She is definitely her mother's daughter.

Who is her mother, R477? Some horse somewhere?

Her mother is also Ronna. A Romney by marriage. Locally famous in Michigan. Radio show.

Here. Read about her yourself. She and her sister snagged prominent Republicans and did well. She was married 3 times, converted to Mormonism, then divorced Scott Romney, Young Ronna's daddy and married some other guy. It was hard to keep up with the two sisters. But honestly, being a Mormon in Michigan back in the 60's and 70's was real, real odd.

Also want to add that my parents could. not. stand. them.

R473 A lot of important assertions in your post. I think only history will (may?) reveal all that' s happened: the shadowy manipulation of the government and commercial structures to grab and maintain power. The Falangist-Opus Dei/Uber Capitalist/Christian Nationalist Evangelicals: The manipulations of social media; the development of successful culture-war talking points; the dark money sloshing around.

And what an odd collection: the uber rich elitist Catholics and the bubbas of Pentecostalism; the tech-bro narcissist billionaires and the fast-food reality star Trump. I do wonder if this "coalition" can hold.

R482, I know Billy Barr was Uber Catholic. He got his kids jobs, one in the WH Counsel's office the other at the DoD. Both were lawyers.

R473’s post is SPOT ON.

"Frankly, it seems a little ridiculous and more than a little hypocritical for GOP supporters of their favorite orange defendant to make a stink about prosecutors supposedly going light on, um, … *tax* *charges*.:

Opus Dei?

Dan Brown posts here now?

R486, have you ever heard of Amy Coney Barrett? Do you really think religious loons haven't infiltrated government? It's kind of been their open plan since the 80s.

The Trump team smells a rat ... and its name is Mark Meadows.

Miss Lindz’s message to Trump:

[quote] And about those 37 federal felony charges Trump is facing over his handling of classified documents and accusations that he obstructed the government’s efforts to reclaim them? “I told him I thought the indictment backlash would probably do more to help him than hurt him in South Carolina,” Graham said.

Gym

[quote] As regular readers know, Main Justice sent a polite and professional response, explaining that federal law enforcement “stands ready” to work with congressional investigators, while also making clear that the Justice Department has a longstanding policy against divulging private information on ongoing investigations — and it wasn’t about to start making exceptions because some conspiracy theorists in Congress want to run interference for a former president

John Eastman is facing disbarment.

Also with R473 on this.

Womp fucking Womp, Eastman!

I absolutely hate it when Trump says people refer to him as Sir. I just want to smash his face in.

Eastman should be disbarred. And he should be the first among many. Rudy, and the rest too.

Like a steel trap.

"Trump brags to Bret Baier about granting Alice Johnson clemency.

Baier informs him that she would be killed under his policy proposal of executing drug dealers.

Trump is caught off guard: "No, no. No. Under my pl–. Under that? UHHHHHHHHHHH...""

In that interview, the short parts of it I have watched in association with various people talking about it on video, Trump is highly agitated and disoriented. Like all compulsive liars, he can't keep his previous statements clear in his head because they don't reflect reality, but were only statements made up on the spot in order to divert attention from what really happened. The man is a blabbermouth and a bully, NOTHING more. The point is getting close where just changing the subject is not going to get him where he needs to be, and he senses it, and he's taking on the look of a trapped animal now.

Trump KNOWS and always has known that he did not have the authority to declassify any documents simply by virtue of his being President and "declaring" them (whether silently to himself or to some other party) to be declassified. He made that bullshit up on the spot, and has stuck with it (EXACTLY as with his lies about the "stolen" election), simply because it gets him off the hook, in his demented, stupid mind. If Trump had ACTUALLY believed he had legal authority to declassify those documents on his own, he would have certainly filed a federal lawsuit for their immediate return the very next morning after the DOJ raid at MagaLardo. The fact that he did not do so *PROVES* that he knew good and well that the seized material was being held wrongfully by him (in addition to the fact that he diligently hid the goddamned stuff even though he was under a subpoena to return it.) The whole event is really farcical. He's a buffoon.

Secondly, EVEN IF the documents had been somehow "declassified" in accord with Donny's cockamamie, made-up-on-the-spot claims, the documents STILL belonged to the US Government, they were not HIS. He went through a months-long ruse, lying to the govt., returning a few of them, lying and saying that ALL of them had been returned, and then carefully attempting to HIDE the rest from Federal agents, concealing them on his own property. Remember that lady named Reality Winner who went to Federal prison for retaining ONE PAGE of a classified US Government document recently?

No wonder he's beginning to look shifty and scared. Look at all the members of his sorry former cabinet who have declared publicly their belief that Shitler stands a very high chance of going to prison now. It can't happen too soon, and I'm really glad Jack Smith made the speedy trial demand. The circus is coming to town, folks.

R497, you make some very interesting points. To me, watching the snippets from the interview, what I sense is that he knows he is losing support and he is terrified, floundering. I get a sense that the substance of the charges are secondary to the loss of support. When I say that I'm not disputing what you say, I'm just enhancing it. Trump has always believed he could "shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue" and get away with it, BECAUSE he had support. He is slowly realizing his shelf life has expired.

Another Trump causality...

Geraldo Rivera@GeraldoRivera 52m

Morning, it’s official, I’m off @TheFive . My last scheduled show appearances are Thursday and Friday June 29th and 30th. It’s been a great run and I appreciate having had the opportunity. Being odd man out isn’t always easy. For the time being, I’m still Correspondent at Large.

[quote][R497], you make some very interesting points. To me, watching the snippets from the interview, what I sense is that he knows he is losing support and he is terrified, floundering.

I'm not dismissing your point of view R498, but the impression I got was that he (Trump) was indeed genuinely taken off guard. It seemed to me that he was expecting/anticipating the usual softball FOX interview and Bret Baier threw a curve ball. Trump is such a narcissist that he obviously was unaware Baier's credibility as a journalist is seriously on the line and he needed to repair his reputation.

L. Graham retweet

Thinking about this a little more today, can you imagine Donny sitting through the ordeal of that criminal trial and not being able to say ONE WORD in his own defense? The journalists' descriptions of how Shitler was behaving during the brief arraignment are priceless; imagine him having to sit and writhe and squirm for a couple of weeks like that. He could easily just fucking die from the stress of it...Campaign season will be gearing up, even in August (although I expect this case won't actually get started until probably mid-October), and he is going to powerfully feel the need to do something for his public (the Deplorables) to show that he is strong enough to beat this. I predict he will ignore the stern warnings of his own attorneys and get up on the stand to try to defend himself. The prosecution will extract lie after lie after lie from him and then rub it all in his helpless, sputtering face, in front of a jury. He's going to lose, he's going to be completely humiliated, he's got NO HOPE of becoming President again, he could very well go to Federal prison, and (best of all) the Feds are coming after his wretched family now (Jared and the 2 billion $$ he weaseled out of the fucking Saudi Arabians). Justice is coming for that family of goddamned criminals.

Replying to hussy lies.

Judge Loose Cannon setting a trial d ate for August, scares me. What if she decides to throw out the case ? Bitch. Smith should have insisted she recuse immediately because if he waits she will fuck this up. And BTW: She is definitely getting legal guidance from some Conservative legal assholes behind the scene. Every fucking thing she does is going to be choreographed. In fact, I would check to see if she is wearing an ear piece.

Can Cannon just throw it out, though, or is that just pearl clutching?

Pearl clutching. Judge Cannon set the date because the PROSECUTOR made a "speedy trial demand." JFC.

If she was stupid enough to toss this case the decision would quite likely be overturned by the 11th Circuit.

A former FBI intelligence analyst from Dodge City, Kansas, who kept hundreds of classified documents at her home, including in her bathroom, was sentenced to nearly four years in prison by a federal judge in Kansas City on Wednesday for violating the same part of the Espionage Act that former President Donald Trump is accused of breaking.

Yes, R508, I knew I couldn’t declassify those documents, but in my mind I declassified them. And I’m not saying I wasn’t the president because, as you know the election was stolen, but I had every right to those documents, which weren’t declassified, but I declassified them in my mind.

Someone fancied up Donald's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame:

Perhaps that could be his prison cell, r510?

Yes, R510, they should put his boxes in prison with him so that he can have, close at hand, those newspaper clippings, golf shirts, and daily schedules — but no classified documents.

^with conjugal visits from Lady Lindzebelle, unless the systems makes the two jail-mates. They must have some happiness.

I almost can’t believe THIS is how they’re getting him.

Not the televised attempt to overthrow the government. Not the stealing of the 2016 election (with Russian assistance.) Not his ongoing collusion with the Russians. Not the tax evasion and loan fraud. Not the raping of children. Not the trafficking with his “modeling agency.” And on and on.

The documents are obviously a very serious matter, but the fucker could have squirmed out of this if he’d just returned the documents the first 3 times he was asked nicely. And one wonders why he didn’t just scan them rather than taking physical copies.

I know, R514, but as small as this seems in comparison, it is really crucial to some of the other crimes you've mentioned. It's like pulling a strand of yarn and the whole sweater unravels. And now that you mention it, we have no idea whether or not these were scanned photographed, etc. We honestly have no idea who has seen them, who has copies, etc. This is like the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

Mob bosses protect themselves well.

He’s just a failed mob boss. He can’t even do that right.

I assume the appropriate agencies in the DoD the CIA and NSA have all been trying to assess whether or not we have been compromised by information contained in the documents. Does anyone have any information on t hat?

Trump Melts Down And Begs: ‘CONGRESS, PLEASE INVESTIGATE THE POLITICAL WITCH HUNTS AGAINST ME’, as DOJ Turns Over Evidence It Plans to Use Against Him:

R514, Trump is an utterly empty person. He needed the physical manifestation of presidential power around him at all times—he needed the actual documents. They were HIS boxes. No one else had them. Waving around an image of a page on a cell phone would never do it for him.

We ought to do what they used to do in Ancient Greece. Put that f ucker in a sack along with some rats and snakes, and badgers and other vermin, and let them have fun with his carcass, then t hrow the sack in t he ocean with a bunch of rocks. It's either that or the grease fire.

Re: the Rolling Stone article:

Trying to go up against Iran is he? Oh, myyyyy! Bitch better realize that they will not stop until he is D-E-A-D. Bigly mistake, Fats! BIGLY!

R514, all his crimes are connected. He didn't give the documents back for precisely the same reasons he instigated the insurrection: he thinks he's above the law and should be president for life. Any indictment of his actions, not matter how small it seems, is a challenge to his whole authoritarian agenda.

If he's such a MACHO MACHO MAN how come he has to slavishly beg for help like a little bitch?

MACHO MACHO MEN don't beg like little bitches.

Puny cocklet, traitorous, make-up wearing pants shitters who are going to go to jail do, though. So I guess his whining and bitch-begging are fitting.

Yeah, I like that Iran has now solidified his spot on their shit list.

Special counsel trades immunity for fake elector testimony

As I understood it he offered limited immunity. And given all we've heard about Smith, I don't think he offered it to the real rat bastards, just the little people...or should I say SHEEPLE who followed their advice and direction. I bet the January 6th stuff is gonna be explosive for a lot of people. THose of us who know Trump and his "Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight" began planning for this months in advance, the plot to overthrow the government... will not be shocked. I look forward to the members of Congress who will be indicted. All of them. PResent and former. And dear lord Jesus please indict Flynn, Bannon, and Stone. PLEASE???

Someone said in something I read, that Rudy might get a pass because he was once one of the good guys. He cited Rudy's "leadership" during 9/11, and the fact he was U.S. attorney and mayor. They might go easy on him. But honestly I hope they don't. I hope he gets disbarred and that Bernie Kerik, that POS goes to prison with him.

Rudy long ago exhausted whatever good karma he had gained by being "America's Mayor" in the aftermath of 9/11. He's a lying crook just like the rest of Trump's cronies.

And he was always a horrible person.

The Republicans should never have allowed the psychopath the nomination. But the greedy fuckers saw a chance for power and grabbed it. Then the Russians put a bow on it.

Amy Coney Barrett real estate deal.

Smith filed a request to delay the trial until December 11, saying the August date won't allow either side to be prepared.

Can't remember why I was hoping for August - but oh well. I'll have to put my trust in Smith. Like I did in Mueller ahem.

I wonder if Rudy could pull off claiming he was too mentally impaired to properly assist counsel?

I don't know, R534. Does being drunk and partying with wimmin count?

I have no problem with December because it only gives them time to polish this case, which is bullet-proof already IMHO.

[quote]I have no problem with December because it only gives them time to polish this case, which is bullet-proof already IMHO.

I agree. It gives Republicans more time to further dig themselves into a hole of which they will be unable to get out of. It's more time for Trump lawyers to wake up when that "check is in the mail" never arrives, etc.

Also, there’s going to be several other indictments between now and then

Yes, I think it just frees up the calendar for an indictment every two months.

Apparently Jack Smith and team are still interviewing witnesses, including the fake electors pertaining to the January 06 matter. Also, they allegedly are still interviewing potential witnesses, including Mar-a-Lago staff and perhaps visitors, regarding the mishandling of documents case. Other witnesses that were in D.C. may still are being interviewed. Some may be cooperating to avoid charges or more serious charges and negotiating pleas. Mark Meadows, allegedly, is singing; and collaborative witnesses are sought to verify his upcoming trial testimony.

Regarding August, look for Fani Willis in Georgia to be filing indictments, and scheduling trial dates after the Jack Smith initiated proposed dates commence and what the judge determines to extend.

OK. If I was a MAGAt or even an independent, I might be inclined to dig in and believe him when he screams that this is all political and it's a witch hunt, if, first he's hit with E Jean Carroll, then Alvin Bragg, then this documents thing, then January 6th, then another documents charge from New Jersey, then Fani Willis in Georgia. It's a lot like overkill. Even though we know he is guilty. He committed his crimes in plain sight, and god only knows what else he did t hat he ought to fry for. It's a lot. So how do we the Anti Trumpers, the anti racist, anti homophobia, Anti- white nationalists Christian extremists, how do we anticipate the backlash and neutralize it? What is the plan? Because yes, these are all legal proceedings and he is afucking crimmminal, but we can't ignore the political effects.

[quote] how do we anticipate the backlash and neutralize it?

Just show all the evidence

But why am I feeling that your post isn't sincere, R541.

Concern Troll at r541.

I'm not a fucking concern troll. I'm just trying to think ahead. We can view this in simple terms:Yaay Trump got indicted! And focus on Smith and WIllis and Bragg and James etc. or we can start thinking beyond that. I am throwing it out here: What is our strategy? Because all of this will impact the campaigns and the election turnout. We need to be prepared and go on the offensive. I was hoping we could brainstorm ideas.

“This will galvanize the Deplorables! Maybe all these indictments are just too much. We’ll just be handing Trump the election!”

[quote]OK. If I was a MAGAt or even an independent, I might be inclined to dig in and believe him when he screams that this is all political and it's a witch hunt

Could you flesh this out a bit more, R541? If there is compelling evidence that these crimes were committed then why would you (or, the person in your scenario) think that it is political?

R545 why are you deliberately twisting my words and acting like an imbecile when all I want to do is engage in some constructive conversation about how we neutralize the shit kickers. Of course if YOU are a fucking troll who does nothing but attempt to derail discussions then I get it.

Hey! R541/ R544/ R547! Shut up. The majority of this country and the world has been waiting for this deranged shit stain to be held accountable for his crimes. So chill out.

FUCK THE BACKLASH

The backlash can’t be any worse than the presidency was.

I am not sure that DataLounge will be in charge of formulating the national response.

Think on the positive side. DL will get to see more of Eric’s moobs.

Have you seen Priozhin’s moobs? WOW!!! YUM!!!

Tucker, have you had the opportunity to do perineal sunning with Yevgeny yet?

R541/ R544, why would it look like he was anything other than GUILTY AS FUCK? What kind of morons would you need to explain to that --having looked at his actions, heard his own words, examined the evidence -- would not conclude he is GUILTY AS FUCK? If they are unable to come to that conclusion at this time, why would you continue to speak to them regarding this matter? Switch topics if you must converse, and remember to use short syllables because you're speaking to flat-out ignoramuses.

MAGAts listen to Fox. They get further brainwashed. Fox lies, sprins, projects, denies, and vaguely covers Trump’s real crimes; focusing on highlighting his absurd excuses as legitimate.

Fox dwells on Hunter Biden relentlessly; knowing the substance is rather shallow, and his law-breaking was already addressed in full context.

^spins

A country with a government organized entirely by Datalounge would be...interesting.

Crimes of Fashion would be punishable by death, r557.

Maybe we should start a new thread and ponder the possibilities.

That’s a great idea Pelops-1. R558 shall you do the honors?

And another call. TAPED TOO!

Correction. Not taped but WITNESSES!

The insanity is that with each additional indictment his support among the MAGAts grows stronger. They are unrelenting in their support for this clown. He has vowed to run for the presidency from prison, and he may well wind up doing that. You know that most of the Repukes who are in office understand that they will have almost no chance in a general election with Cheatolini as their standard bearer and that those prophetic words of La Senatrice will come true:

[quote] If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.

Of course they would vote for a traitor to America who is imprisoned. Cults are like that, R562: full of the stupid, the mentally ill, and the deranged. They live in an alt-reality where that lying lard is "fighting" a "Deep State" so secret all MAGAdonians in bumfuck know about it.

Let's all think about that a moment: the "global elites" and "deep state" are so powerful and secretly plotting agayhumsnity, that only trailer park inhabitants, people who barely graduated high school, and a handful of essential oil salesfraus have caught onto their dastardly plan. And their champion is Jeffrey Epstein's best friend. And he's also orange.

MAGAts are beyond helping.

*plotting against humanity

We’re gonna need more indictment threads.

[quote]The insanity is that with each additional indictment his support among the MAGAts grows stronger.

But not larger.

Can't win national elections with 35% of the voting public no matter how much you cheat.

HE. IS. SO. FUCKED.

[quote]The insanity is that with each additional indictment his support among the MAGAts grows stronger. They are unrelenting in their support for this clown.

Racism, bigotry, and the power to suppress others are powerful motivators.

But...

So is the inability to admit/concede that one is wrong.

Hitler had his fans for many years even after he committed suicide and all of the atrocities were revealed.

"Hitler had his fans for many years even after he committed suicide and all of the atrocities were revealed."

Tell us more about Moms For Liberty, R568!

He will never be president again. Most Americans hate him, his fans are in the minority.

[quote]HE. IS. SO. FUCKED.

I'd argue that the jury is still out on that. I posted this earlier... If this country was unable/unwilling to prosecute a man that was President of a hostile sovereign nation (The Confederacy) that initiated a war against the USA that resulted in the deaths of 700K, then given that, Trump may not have anything to worry about.

[quote]The insanity is that with each additional indictment his support among the MAGAts grows stronger.

Bear in mind that no trials have started yet. None of the evidence collected by the grand juries has been presented in any public forum. I think that once the dirt starts to come out a good chunk of his non-rabid base will drop away. They don't even need to vote for Biden, (though that would be preferable) they just need to not vote for Trump.

[quote]HE. IS. SO. FUCKED.

You're adorable

As is my practice, for months now, maybe a few years, I have been doing my research, reading history, and yes the comparisons of what we're witnessing here in the U.S. to the ascendance of Nazi Germany are pretty remarkable. But I realized I was so focused on those comparisons I neglected American history. So I've started reading about the American South.

I'm familiar with the broad stroke events, Civil War, Slavery, etc. etc. etc. but I wanted to drill down and focus on the psychology and t he cultural and economic elements in the aftermath of the Civil War, particularly the decades after Reconstruction. And in the portrait of the South that's emerging, the seeds of what we face today all over this country from the faith based Christian Nationalists/White Supremacists are glaringly obvious.

As cliche' as it sounds, it is like a cancer that has spread all over our country, but the seeds of it were planted in the South. One of the authors I've read described the South as almost like a colony of industrial America. They talked about the economic pyramid, about the prideful, stubborn dedication to their "Glorious (lost ) Cause" and the deliberate lack of educational resources for the masses of workers, (poor whites and Blacks) pervasive, multi generational illiteracy, suppression of women, and the weaponization of religion.

Their mental isolation was re enforced by lack of physical infrastructure, roads, bridges, rail transport, etc, even tractors for their largely agrarian economy and we're talking about the 1920's and 30's. The kind of poverty the masses experienced was something it's hard to get your head around. Malnutrition, untreated illness, even the rudimentary basic hygiene and medical care, no electricity, no indoor plumbing, etc.

What held all this horror together, this parallel universe was racism. And those who could, got the hell out. Mass migration. The powerful robber barons, absentee corporate dons, only cared about profits. Anyone who suggested women had rights, or segregation was wrong, or starting unions for the millworkers and miners, etc. was accused of being a Bolshevik or a communist, and there were actually armed struggles shooting wars with the coal miners. There's a real history of misery and oppression that needs to be exposed. it's like this is the underside of the so called American dream, and this is where the Nazified GOP wants to take all of us.

Indeed, r574, they would like ALL of us to be uneducated, dirt poor and living hand to mouth.

They know that as long as they feed the racism and religious bigotry, the white trash will continue to support their bought and paid for candidates thus keeping their wingtips on our necks.

“They” are today’s robber barons - Theil, Mercer, Musk, Zuckerberg, Wynn, and the KKKoch cunt (to name a few)

This is the $$$ behind the scum sucking dirtbags like Leonard Leo (pear shaped prick!), Human Scab Bannon, Mike traitor Flynn and all these other assholes feeding the idiots conspiracy theories and fucking with our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Lindsey prepping the MAGAettes for the Trump rally?

Hunny, after all the booing Miz Lindzey got at that MAGA rally, she is in "Where shall I go, what shall I do?" mode.

You see?

You can't work with this. No matter how much you are open to them and TRY... REALLY TRY... to understand their point of view (even when you don't agree) they simply make no sense. It's an effort in futility.

^They all tune-in to Fox.

One of my law school classmates wondered whether or how long the holding will remain limited to cases involving "expressive" goods.”

Woops, sorry. Wrong thread. R580

Who really likes Lindsey Graham?: Cable media (love him), arms manufacturers/military industrial complex, most Senate colleagues, NRA,/gun manufacturers, big oil, corporate CEOs, big banks, land developers, anti-environment interests, Koch & company, big SC law firms, peach growers/agribusiness, and organized evangelical profiteers.

Wasn't the booing of Miz Lindsey happening in his own state on a stage with other state officials? It had to be quite embarrassing.

Lindsey ought to be booed and booed often. Worthless piece of shit.

Miss Benedict?

DeSantis pacs trying to associate Trump with drag, are doing a lame job. Does DeSantis sees drag queens as the nation’s #1 problem to be eradicated?

No one knows who the DeSantis campaign is trying to reach. The DeSantis campaign doesn't know what the fuck they're doing, anymore. If they ever did.

[quote]No one knows who the DeSantis campaign is trying to reach.

Sure we do. The campaign is trying reach the Stephen Millers and the many like him.

R587, I’m sure you’re right. DeSantis wants to win in the primaries and is trying to out-Dump Dump. The problem is that Dump is the connoisseur of Dump. No one can out-Dump him, so DeSantis just looks desperate. Dump does Dump with ease.

They are both bat shit insane, him and Jackie-No.

Those who want Trump won't settle for Generic Trump. It's Trump ONLY.

DeSantis pushed his tinymeat in too early and splooged too soon. And he is too stupid to read the room and realize that backing off would help, not hinder him. Another conservative self-ruination that you love to see.

[quote]Another conservative self-ruination that you love to see

Is the term "conservative" just a nice word for "racist"? I ask this in earnest. DeSantis could not have pulled off the awful things that he had done in Florida if he was not enabled and had strong support. It seems to me that Florida residents are good with everything that he has done so far and want more. Or are the residents of that state that apathetic?

To stop this mess, it will take more than repetitive political advertising and voting. This state must suffer financially severely in order to get the message. It will only be then that this foolishness will stop.

It's gonna be a showdown between Chris Christie and Trump. Betcha. And Chris Christie will lose because he has an unattractive personality and he is physically unattractive. No one likes pushy,overbearing, know it alls. The truth is, I hope Trump does get nominated, because Biden will beat him hands down. Christie is also dishonest. If he tells you he would never do something, that means he will. He will say something like, "I'd never mess with Social Security" but then he will and he will tell you he had to and offer up all kinds of bullshit to justify it. The same goes for pardoning Trump, and shutting down the investigations. He might say he won't, but he will.

Agree, R592

R592- Well said. There isn't one republican that should be trusted at this point. They are all on the same page and have shown us what they are and what they intend to do .

Well, IMHO... Democrats/Progressives need to stop worrying about Republicans and their mess and start really grooming/nurturing their own voters. A couple of days ago I was speaking to this young VERY liberal/progressive (I mean... we're talking "All We Are Saying Is Give Peace A Chance", Kumbuya type) person and she goes on to tell me that Biden is no better than Trump, etc. Okay.... But, as I thought more about it (and I'm not a raging Biden fan--although I think he is doing a great job) this might well be a person who will not vote or vote for that transcendental woman because she is SO angry because she is not getting her way. I view people like her (because there are many like her) represent an opportunity for Trump in the Republicans. Just do whatever and promote whatever to dissuade people from voting. For example...

Were I Latino (or some other undocumented immigrant) I would be HIGHLY PISSED that the DACA issue and similar are not even being thought about (and haven't for some time) by the Democrats. Yet they want my vote? Democrats had better start messaging better why (even if it will take some time) they are the BEST option(s) to the alternatives.

[quote] And Chris Christie will lose because he has an unattractive personality and he is physically unattractive. No one likes pushy, overbearing know-it-alls.

This describes Trump at least as much as it does Christie—at least to the majority of the country. The Republican base just has a big fat blind spot when it comes to Trump.

Hope you know the GOP game plan is to get Trump or any Republican for that matter, elected PResident in 2024. It is urgent that they do this, because they intend to shut down all investigations into the election fraud and the insurrection, and if necessary, pardon Trump and all who were involved.

"The Republican base just has a big fat blind spot when it comes to Trump."

At the big rally in Pickens, SC the other day, did Trump bother to stay and press the flesh with his admirers. Did he stay and eat BBQ with the natives? Did he bounce babies while they were sitting on his lap?

Hell no, he was out of there like a flash, back to the safe confines of Bedminster, NJ golf club. Does anyone honestly think DJT would be caught dead associating with trailer park trash in backwoods SC?

On 1/6/21 Trump was pissed his demonstrators weren't dressed in Brooks Brothers suits. He sure as hell wouldn't want to be seen with a bunch of rubes in cut-offs jeans, tank tops and Daisy Dukes.

R597, I think we're all taking that for granted.

Golly, R597, thanks for the newsflash. We had no idea that was their plan!

ElderLez, another thread, please?

R598- They like the hate he brings. They like the fact we hate him and fear the destruction he brings. I remember how they acted at the beginning of the pandemic. Refusing to wear a mask to the point of violence, refusing to be vaccinated. They thrive on bulling people, just like their fat orange orange God. They very stupidly believe their loyalty and support of this monster will be rewarded when be is reelected. Boy, are they in for a surprise. The minute he no longer needs them he will destroy them. That is what he does to everyone who has ever made the mistake of trusting him.