BREAKING: Titanic-bound sub still missing!

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I would have used "BEARKING" but I've been F&Fed into a timeout in the past, and I didn't want to take that chance.

I've never been on a submarine, except one a decommissioned one at a maritime museum.

I have, however, waved at a tourist submarine as I was SCUBA diving off of Catalina, and I felt very smug to be outside the thing and not inside.

"I simply can't stop killing!" says 111 year old iceberg

The iceberg is an insatiable bottom, apparently.

That's what you get for making a tragedy into a tourist attraction.

Imagine the wreck of the Titanic, now with this new shiny submersible sticking out of it right where the Grand Staircase was.

The Titanic is a graveyard and a scene of great tragedy, not a cheap tourist attraction. Only legitimate researchers should be down there. Having said that these people on the sub are in a living hell (if they are alive) and the whole thing is too ghastly for words. I hope they get rescued, but how is that even possible?

They aren't going to be rescued. I doubt they (or their vessel) will ever be found.

The sub will definitely be found. I can't see how it will ever be retrieved though.

How do they go to the bathroom on that thing? It must stink now and they have no privacy and no plumbing. Can they even wash their hands afterwards?

I think washing their hands is the least of their worries at this point, Rose.

Well, there's clearly an outbreak of Hepatis A on the sub!!

^^^ hepatitis

R10 This not-so-cheap tourist attraction is the only way scientists can fund their research considering the government won't do it

Research? Research into what? How will looking at a sunken ship contribute to the betterment of humanity?

However this plays out, James Cameron has a sequel. Colin Firth would be perfect as the British millionaire.

Why couldn't it eventually be retrieved? Send a robot submersible down with some gas inflatable doohickey that could be attached to the hull, let it gradually float up. If it's in more or less one piece.

I was convinced they would never be able to save those Thai boys trapped in that cave a few years ago. Stranger things have happened.

The whole world's watching!

[quote] Mike Reiss is a New York-based writer and producer, who has worked on the Simpsons, and took a trip on the Titan sub last year. He told BBC Breakfast: "You sign a massive waiver that lists one way after another that you could die on the trip. They mention death three times on page one so it's never far from your mind. As I was getting onto the sub my thought was this could be the end. So nobody who's in this situation was caught off guard. You all know what you are getting into. It is really exploration. It is not a vacation. It's not thrill seeking, it's not sky diving. These are explorers and travellers who want to see something."

Do we know who was on it yet?

[quote]It's not thrill seeking

It's 100% thrill seeking

r24 Five people are on the Titan sub which went missing on Sunday, 700 kilometres off the coast of Newfoundland.

Those missing include Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his son, Suleman as well as Hamish Harding, a 58-year-old British billionaire businessman and explorer

French explorer Paul-Henry Nargeolet is also thought to be on board, and Stockton Rush, chief executive of OceanGate, the firm behind the dive, is widely reported to be on board too

r24 from the other thread:

One of Pakistan's richest men and his son are amongst the five people missing in the submarine that set off to see the wreck of the Titanic, it was revealed today.

Shahzada Dawood, 48, and his son Sulaiman Dawood, 19, were on board the small underwater craft take paying tourists to view the famous wreck, which lies 12,500ft beneath the surface of the Atlantic Ocean, 370 miles off the coast of Newfoundland, Canada.

The Dawood family are amongst the richest in Pakistan, but have strong links to the UK and are believed to live in a Surrey mansion. Shahzada's father Hussain is the Chairman of the Dawood Hercules Corporation, which makes chemicals, and the Engro Corporation, which makes fertilisers.

Paul-Henri Nargeolet - the French world-renowned explore, is also on board.

OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush is believed to be the fifth crew member.

If only the ultra-wealthy tourists were Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Harlan Crow, and the Koch brothers. Life isn’t fair!

The fact that it's a father and son makes it especially to me.

I would think for a woman it would be hard to use the bathroom in those close quarters but I guess they don't have to worry because it is all men on there. I can't imagine the flop sweat knowing this operation failed. EEK

After seeing this video I am pretty sure they are dead.....Video from last summer CBS News....Lost for HOURS.....Turns out these piece of junk couldn't even find the Titanic and the crew aboard was promised a freebie NEXT time......VIDEO 4:38....That crew getting sealed in with 17 bolts...Definitely dead...

Distress signals can only be sent from the surface of the water. WTF?

Tweet from a reporter who has been on this junk Submarine. I believe they are fish food now. Congrats to the sharks on their unexpected dinner.

Deep sea sharks are scary!!

More nightmares!!!

Thank you R26 & R27. Excellent summary. I've been out of the loop today.

This reminds me so much of the Hunley.

If they're entangled in the wreckage, I wonder if they tried to access one of the interior spaces and got stuck?

Barring a miraculous event, the occupants of the sub are probably goners. I find it ironic that the passengers of the Titanic, in a sense, placed blind faith in mankind's mastery of technology and his ability to master nature and natural forces and many paid the ultimate price and it seems that the occupants of the sub have made the same mistake.

Why don't the Navy just send down ship and when it gets close the people on the stuck submarine can swim over to the Navy ship and breath?

[quote]How do they go to the bathroom on that thing?

Rich people don't poop/pee.

This company will be bankrupt the minute the bodies start floating up. Wait and see. And I love the way CBS News said the missing people are probably sleeping to conserve their oxygen. Um, these are possibly their LAST moments on Earth. Who can sleep?

“Cynics will say that the dives down to Titanic are little more than joy trips for millionaires - but far from that the research that this specific company has been doing has captured more data about the state of Titanic's wreck than ever - and more than just giving us a snapshot of a 110 year old steamship's hulk it has provided our species with fascinating insights on deep water life and microbes that were previously unknown to science, therefore furthering our understanding of our planet and its workings.

This is an honorable endeavor to my mind. Whatever the case may be - and I sincerely hope that the submarine, which is presently being searched for, is found intact with its complement safe and sound, I would like to call back to President Raegan's words. That people dedicate their lives to undersea exploration, not just for the thrill, but for the science and the beauty. Even if one is not a believer, it is clear that there is as much presence of the "face of god" the indescribable natural glory of our world and universe - down there, below the ocean, as there is above us in the sky.

Godspeed to the search.”

- Mike Brady of Ocean Liner Designs

WTF, R31 — that submarine looks like it was built in someone’s backyard. I can’t believe that the passengers signed that crazy waiver. On the upside, the next tour will be two wrecks for the price of one!

This reminds me of the Russian ship Kursk. Where the survivor crew wrote letters in the dark. Russia had tried to say they all died immediately but they didn't. At least 23 survived the explosions.

May they not suffer long and may they be be found soon.

Why not somebody deploy quite a few sonar buoys with 3 mile detection capabilities, then release a 3 mile long cable with a large claw with some powerful magnets at the bottom to tow the god darn thing up! If you're gonna have a business using a submersible, you'd better have a contingency plan a, plan b, plan c, ... plan z. If you are a participant on the crew, definitely pack the 'ohshit' pills. Do better!

I don't understand any of this. It feels like a fantasy business created and run by sixth-graders. Having read the entire first thread, this scenario is one of our greatest nightmares - being trapped and powerless. May they be found soon.

R46, you might find this interesting. It covers the contingency plans that you so wisely thought about. I don't know if they had sufficient (thanks, Ethel Mae) plans but they did have them.

Oceangate was NOT a sub...And I'm the dom who can prove it.

Sounds like the submersible was built by hillbillies and they had to worry about the duct tape around the window coming loose.

r48 is one of the best DL responses in a long time.

What "science" is being pursued down there, besides creating voyeuristic media content exploiting a graveyard?

I just feel like....this is not a good thing.

I am going to be really pissed if they are found alive. Because the idea of RICH PEOPLE selling their story and becoming richer would be exactly why I don't believe in Karma...

"What "science" is being pursued down there, besides creating voyeuristic media content exploiting a graveyard?"

They're going to see it because it's there. It's like when Dataloungers say they are going to Europe for culture. Why do they need to go? They can just watch it on a livestream. But they go.

And they go in a steel tube.

Except the steel tube is jettisoned across the sky instead of lowered into the water.

I wonder if people had similar reactions when the Titanic sunk, r53

Why the hell are AMERICAN TAXPAYERS paying for this "search"?

[quote]Having read the entire first thread, this scenario is one of our greatest nightmares - being trapped and powerless..

It's nightmare fuel, but I think the worst death to me still was that 26-year-old med student from Utah (with pregnant wife, daughter, and son on the way) who went caving with his brother for old time's sake the day before Thanksgiving 2009 and wound up stuck... upside down... inside a tight tunnel... 150 feet below the surface... for over 24 hours!

He could not move at all and his light went out so he was in complete darkness.

Plus, the blood was rushing to his head and filling up his lungs and slowly suffocating him.

And he was conscious up until the very end.

They never got him out and he's still there to this day, with a plaque commemorating his presence.

[quote]definitely pack the 'ohshit' pills

They really, really should have. I personally want to get ahold of some ohshit pills because I believe climate collapse is underway and civilization collapse is imminent, but I don’t have any drug hookups and have no idea how to find a dealer.

R57 = I once went on a cave tour with an ex in Arkansas. It was very creepy and claustrophobic.

That would be very claustrophobic...plus, knowing that the sub is lost, running out of air and very little hope of being found. What a slow, terrible death with the high anxiety that they must feel.

^and the open toilet that it has become too - also bad

Stop turning this into a scat thread!!

Unfortunately, we are still human and have to shit. And we are stuck at the bottom of the ocean. So this is a scat thread because the negligent sub operator has made it so.

[quote]I wonder if people had similar reactions when the Titanic sunk, [R53]

Probably.

I am reminded of when I read the memoir HAVING OUR SAY: THE DELANY SISTERS' FIRST 100 YEARS, which was published in the early 1990s, but I did not read it until two decades afterward.

Anyway, the Delany sisters were Sadie (1889-1999) and Bessie (1891-1995) whose father was a former slave and their mother mixed race.

They were close but total opposites -- Sadie was gentle and a sweetheart; Bessie was resentful and confrontational.

They grew up in North Carolina but eventually migrated to New York in the 1920s where they resided for the rest of their long, unwedded lives. (Neither of their romances worked out.)

In 1912, they were both teachers and in their early twenties when Titanic sank, which was a major news event.

They taught at an all-black school and Bessie remembered someone bursting into her classroom to report that "the big ship" went down and most everyone died. She replied, "Good! That's less white people to worry about."

So they have 48 hours worth of oxygen left now. That's if they're still alive.

They have enough oxygen until 2:30 Eastern time Thursday

Then what happens afterward?

They run out of oxygen, r67.

[quote]Bessie remembered someone bursting into her classroom to report that "the big ship" went down and most everyone died. She replied, "Good! That's less white people to worry about."

Oh dear, Bessie. It's "fewer". Some teacher!

Then they cross over the millionaire rainbow..

I love that I can always count on DL for gallows humor.

omg

How long was the whole trip supposed to last?

A three hour tour.

Don’t you see? They crossed over the time warp vortex and traveled back in time to April 14th, 1912. They are now running around the actual Titanic hours before the tragedy, trying to plead with everyone that the ship is going to sink, and everyone’s like, “Haha oh you crazy drunk loons! Have another gimlet and keep dancing!”

NO ONE WILL BELIEVE THEM

Please don't encourage the time loop conspiracy people, Mulder.

Hey Scully, how's your pink gulley?

R75 More like the billionaires are raiding the women’s cabins for gowns, wigs, frocks and bustles to wear so they can be first on the rescue boats!

Trans rights trump women's rights!

“A yasssified Iron Lung.”

I've fallen down a giant rabbit hole of books published about the wreck in 1912 and 1913.

Yesterday I happened to watch a video about the sinking of the Kursk which is narrated from the perspective of the submariner who wrote a final letter later found on his body. The crew who hadn't been killed by the explosions survived for six to eight hours and could possibly have got out if a rescue vessel had been able to line up with the escape hatch, but rescue attempts came too late.

R73. The tour was supposed to be 8 hours total; 2 hours each way and the other 4 exploring.

R83 Damn. They must have been really panicking by Sunday evening. And today is Day 3. If they're still alive... I can't even imagine what they're thinking/feeling.

I haven't been following the rescue efforts too closely. But if rescuers think they're stuck at the wreck site, couldn't they send down another sub with the capacity to pull them back up? Does such technology even exist?

What if this is a publicity stunt of some sort? A la Balloon Boy.

R85, the issue would likely be freeing the sub from whatever entangles it. Once free, it should be buoyant enough to rise on its own, assuming they can blow tanks or drop ballast. If it doesn't have positive buoyancy, it may be possible for ROVs (remote-operated vehicles) to assist, but probably not enough to lift it. The propellers on ROVs are just large enough to move the ROV, plus they're battery-powered and would be exhausted rather quickly. And ROVs don't have excess buoyancy of their own.

The way to lift a sub with negative or neutral buoyancy would be to attach gas bags. No telling if they have the time or equipment to arrange this.

R85

"The good news is because it's only 21 feet long, it weighs about 10 tons, and there is equipment — we could hook a crane or a grappling hook or some kind of a hook — to draw the thing back up to the surface. That ... requires a special ship with a two-and-a-half mile cable and the ability to get the hook actually on to the submersible."

Thank you r87 / r88!

For the final time, NO, there is no technology to retrieve them, NONE.

The more I’ve thought about this, I wonder if that sub could have been attacked by a giant squid, or perhaps there was a violent collision with a large mammal as they were descending that knocked their power out. If their communication suddenly stopped working, the protocol had to be that they would resurface….right? All of their directions came from the surface, so if they weren’t receiving any navigation from above, they would be forced to abort, at least that’s my thinking. Is it even possible for them to get back up to the surface without directions? Just by elimination, I think something truly shocking had to occur. Weren’t all the passengers texting people too?

So my best guess is some type of massive trauma or collision occurred, which would explain all of this (comms down, no texts, nothing on surface, etc.). And if my best guess is accurate, then I actually don’t think they will ever find this thing. It is too small, too deep. The only good part about my theory is that if there was a collision or “attack”, perhaps the hill breached or the viewport shattered, which would be a fairly quick death. What kind of an asshole father takes their son for a joyride on this death trap? We have become sooooo disconnected from life/death, “it can’t happen to meee!” Yes, yes it can happen, even to you.

I just looked at a photograph of the interior of the sub and almost had a panic attack. MARY!!!!

How many leagues under the sea are they?

They're probably dead or close to it.

R91, they don’t even wear SHOES to keep it clean. The bottom of the ocean is freezing, so if they’re down deep, they have hypothermia now too. No shoes or socks!!!!

I know a fathom is a nautical measurement, but how long is one fathom? And why do they say fathom instead of just using the metric system?

BTW, using gas bags from such a depth is itself very fraught. It would be very slow, and have to be carefully managed, since the bags could only be minimally filled at depth, since they gas will expand dramatically as it comes up (think about how a weather balloon inflates as it rises to high-altitude). The bags could burst, dropping the sub. It would be a dire situation.

Is the 19 yr old Pakistani young man hot? Do u think he is a virgin, or at least had a blowjob?

If I was trapped down there& going to die with a virginal 19 yr old Pakistani young man, I would be teaching that young man the joys of a blowjob, sucking down that untouched manseed. If I was gonna die in that tube, I would be fucking his ass. Teach him how to take it like a man, then I DIE!!

r 81, Titanic was just a medium shipwreck. Doesn't come close to the worst sinking. 9,400 people died

What's a league?

Where’s the Carpathia when you need her?

About 3 nautical miles, r99.

This morning they said that the way this sub would come back to the surface was by releasing the ballasts holding it down. With technology like this who wouldn't want to take this trip?? (eye roll)

CBS was quick to react to make sure they cashed in on this and have already announced that they will be doing a story on it on Sunday morning.

Many brave hearts, are asleep in the seeeeeeeaaaa.

So beware!

Be-ee-ee-eeeeeee-waaaaaaaaaaare.

It was operated by a Nintendo game controller for god’s sake, as if it were built by kids in a Steven Spielberg movie, or by Fat Albert and the Junkyard Gang.

R98 but that was a hospital ship by that time and was not as grand. Not the maiden voyage either.

Mr. Ballen will definitely do long-form podcast on this story

What's a nautical mile and why is it difficult from a regular mile, R101?

I wonder if they took a book of sea shanties, r103.

I apologize r109, it is actually “asleep in the DEEP” not sea. My father was in choir at a Chicago high school (Carl Schurz!) and he used to actually sing this to me, in tune.

He also read Gunga Din to me, many times.

R108, nautical miles are based on longitude and latitude over distance, factoring in the earth's curvature. Speed however, is measured in knots.

Gunga Din, by Rudyard Kipling

Who ARE some of you Nancys, with your "Leave this solemn graveyard ALONE!" screeds??

Tourists, people in general, visit such places ALL THE TIME, you idiots!

Dachau. Pearl Harbor and a sunken ship. The Normandy beaches and cemeteries. Valley Forge and Gettysburg. Pompeii and its eternally encased bodies. The site of the former WTC. (I've been to all but Pearl Harbor.)

On-site memorials, like at Peggy's Cove or Rouen. Famous tombs, like Napoleon's or in Westminster Abbey.

Bah! Enough! You're crazy, and that's that.

And so were these passengers for stepping foot onto this, to borrow a title from Agatha Christie, Dead Man's Folly.

But not for the concept of visiting.

If "authorities" are going to get involved, I offer one Mea Culpa for a former post scoffing at the idea.

But so far there are zero details; the location is yet unknown even to begin operations; and the US government has been unresponsive.

They’re gone already.

Not that I believe in myths but the Romans would've had a field day with naming the submersible, Titan.

In Greek mythology, the Titans were the pre-Olympian gods, they were the twelve children of the primordial parents Uranus (Sky) and Gaia (Earth).

Ok. I will wait a moment while you get over the fact that the Titan's father was Uranus...

The Titans the generation of gods preceding the Olympians. They were overthrown by Cronus, the leader and youngest of the first generation of Titans, known for his cruelty and for usurping his father Uranus. Insatiably cruel and hungry for power.

Zeus, Cronus son, led his siblings in a war against Cronus and the other Titans.

Cronus was defeated and replaced by Zeus.

Zeus became king of the ancient Greek gods.

Zeus and his siblings—dubbed the “Olympians” because they lived atop Mount Olympus—appointed themselves the new rulers of the cosmos and presided over the fates of men and gods alike and meted out justice from atop Mount Olympus.

Zeus banished the Titans to Tartarus.

Murky Tartarus represented the deepest part of the Underworld. Located far below even Hades, Tartarus was a dreaded place of darkness and punishment reserved for only the most nefarious sinners

I think I would've chosen another name for the submersible.

"Hey, let's pay thousands of dollars to get into a beefed up mini van and go to the bottom of the ocean".

What the hell is wrong with these people

Based on the abrupt loss of contact and failure to surface this water toy imploded before reaching the wreckage and the people communicating with it via text knew something went catastrophically wrong which is why they immediately asked for coast guard help.

The CBS report said that losing contact was pretty common.

How many hours of oxygen do they have left now?

R87, of all the possibilities I think that "entanglement" is the least likely. There's nothing to entangle with in 12,000 feet of ocean, and all the stuff at the bottom has long given way to gravity. And R90 an encounter with a large animal at depth is almost equally unlikely, because large animals can sense the presence of a large inedible object with lights on it, and have the sense to move out of its way. And giant squids eat sea creatures that are smaller than they are, and would run like the blazes from something that size, because some whale species eat giant squid.

No, the likeliest possible by far is a mechanical failure or a hull implosion.

The CBS correspondent David Pogue said that those who have made the trip to the Titanic and lived to tell the tale emerged from a quasi-religious experience that changed their lives forever. I don't understand the particular siren song the Titanic continues to have over people. Yes, it was a tragedy, but every piece of information that could be plumbed from it already has. Watch the movie or one of the thousands of documentaries on the subject, go to a museum to see artifacts, read a book. This isn't the lost island of Atlantis. It was a ship that sunk over 100 years ago. There's nothing so mythic or miraculous about it that I'd think would warrant a religious pilgrimage that costs a fortune and your life to see. There isn't even any mystery surrounding it. We know exactly what happened and why. There are other shipwrecks that can be visited that are much less high stakes. It's also my understanding that you can't even go inside what's left of the Titanic because its has deteriorated so dramatically. I hope some lesson can be learned from all this.

R121, I like your theory, it makes more sense than mine, so post more please. I’m sure you are right, BUT how do you explain the communication loss at the same time? When you say mechanical, does that include a hull breach?

Even if they are still a live, they are stuck without food and water. The cable show guest who’s been in that death trap said they can bring one bottle of water and sandwich. Add the ziplock bag toilet and that air must reek of shit, sweat, and piss.

I assume it’s also ice cold down there or the thing is crazy hot from all of the stressed out bodies.

A billionaire should know better the to bring his heir on a dangerous mission. He just have other sons.

They're doing an update NOW!!

R125 the younger sons must be kind of thrilled right now

My arse would be drawn so tight, the LAST thing I would do is shit.

R123 by "mechanical failure" I mean a failure of the engine, electrical system, or anything that keeps the ship from operating, not including a hull breach. By "hull implosion" I meant any failure of just the hull, which at depth would mean instantaneous destruction. Because even a few thousand feet down, the pressure of the deep water is so horrific that any tiny leak would immediately collapse the ship and kill everyone.

By far the likeliest explanation for their disappearance would be hull failure, and instantaneous death and destruction. I mean, if the passengers were texting from phones and all stopped texting at the same time, well. If they'd survived any sort of mechanical failure other than instantaneous death, you'd think that at least one person would have been able to send a text from below.

If they’re never found, it will be the stuff of horror legends — the CURSE of the Titanic.

Of course the one possibility that nobody is talking about, is that some Bond Villain type of billionaire had a larger submarine and went after them!

I mean, three billionaires in one ship? At least one of them had enemies, the kind of enemies who could afford to outfit their own deep-sea submersible with heat-seeking torpedoes, or glommers to capture their tiny craft and carry it off to their secret island base!

R31 no no no no no. How can humans agree to be in that tiny space for so long? Crazy crazy.

[quote]If they’re never found, it will be the stuff of horror legends — the CURSE of the Titanic.

No doubt they'll make a sci-fi movie about that crew's fate.

Something like being caught in a time warp and being transported to another world/dimension.

The Titanic lies at about 12,500 feet underwater. A Fathom equals about six feet. Therefore the Titanic, and possibly the Titan are 2083 fathoms under the sea.

Titan can carry five people to a depth of 13,123 feet, according to the OceanGate website.

Frank Owen, a retired Royal Australian Navy official and submarine escape and rescue project director, told The Guardian that the Titanic wreckage on the ocean floor "is surrounded by debris from the disaster more than a century ago."

"There are parts of it all over the place. It's dangerous," he said.

It is unclear, however, whether the submersible even made it to the wreckage in the first place.

A seabed floor rescue is very difficult In any case, a rescue from the ocean floor would be very difficult, Alistair Greig, a professor of marine engineering at University College London, told The Guardian.

"There are very few vessels that can get that deep, and certainly not divers," he said.

Williams added that it may be difficult for the rescue team to even spot the submersible ship from the surface, as their sonars won't be able to pick it out from the debris and uneven terrain on the seabed.

Without life support systems, the submarine could become very cold — the water temperature outside is near freezing, said Williams. Passengers also typically take only a sandwich and a bottle of water on the submersible, and there are no onboard toilets, science journalist David Pogue, who was on the submersible last year, said in an interview with News Nation.

David Gallo, a senior advisor for Strategic Initiatives at RMS Titanic, told CNN that dwindling oxygen levels and fighting the cold are the primary concerns for the passenger's safety at this point.

"The water is very deep — two miles plus. It's like a visit to another planet, it's not what people think it is. It is a sunless, cold environment and high pressure," Gallo said.

I just hope the end was quick as lightning.

R135 Amen. I hope something went wrong, and they were gone before they knew what was happening.

[quote]r26 French explorer Paul-Henry Nargeolet is also thought to be on board, and Stockton Rush, chief executive of OceanGate, the firm behind the dive, is widely reported to be on board too

“Thought”? “Reported”?

[italic]What is the company hiding??

I’m watching the press conference and it seems like they can’t do much. I’m not even sure they should try - seems incredibly risky and they don’t seem able to retrieve the vessel even if they find it. And odds are they are already dead from some vessel failure.

They're billionaires and yet their money can't save them now.

Reading 134 's Post makes me livid. The sheet idea that any Business entity Marketing, Servicing and that will ultimately be RESPONSIBLE FOR the welfare and safety of human beings for ANY length of time ( let alone plunged to a nightmarish death) without basic sanitary facilities, an emergency ration of food, any kind of adaptive climate control suitable to the extreme environment, is outrageous. I don't care if they're a bunch of bored Billionaires looking for their next thrill ride- the audacity of service to value alone in terms of cost to the passengers is price gouging at best.

What's next, allowing the kids down the streets who design their Go-karts to design the latest Commercial flights into Space at the same quarter mil ticket price? Scratch that. Elon and the Free Market probably already have it in the works.

With the shrieking cries and prayers in Urdu, French and English mounting, it must be an ear splitting cacophony within the tiny submersible now.

Touching.

R139 yeah, I really do think.

Pogue did not go down in the submersible. He may have been on it but he didn't dive to the titanic.

Only a fool would have taken this dive. It's insane. The contraption is a joke.

[quote]The bags could burst, dropping the sub. It would be a dire situation.

NOW a dire situation?

[quote]r56 Why the hell are AMERICAN TAXPAYERS paying for this "search"?

Exactly! We’ve paid enough playing nursemaid for stupid Julian Sands already!!

[quote]R87 The way to lift a sub with negative or neutral buoyancy would be to attach gas bags.

The anti-trans loons could be volunteered.

Gas bags? Wow DL could not only refloat it, but send it to Mars.

[quote]r9 Just by elimination, I think something truly shocking had to occur. [bold]Weren’t all the passengers texting people, too?[/bold]

Gdamn Millennials.

I'm bumping this above the late copycat thread.

BEYOND THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE!

It sounds like they did not have a proper contingency plan drafted in case of different bad scenarios.

They have about 39 hours left of oxygen... yikes

It's illegal to go over Niagara Falls, alone in a barrel, but this is a perfectly viable business model?

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!

I am organizing a prayer meet so these people can be found safe and healthy.

Going over Niagara Falls in a barrel probably looks like child’s play to the submersible’s inhabitants, now.

R28, good point.

R95...I can't fathom a fathom...

R157 that sounds like something Stephen Sondheim would write.

The CEO will go down with the ship...

The most probable scenario is that the sub imploded and there is very little left. The good news for those onboard would be that death would be instantaneous, probably before they knew anything was wrong.

😀😁 R158..

The families of the billionaires on board should be paying for the rescue attempts, not taxpayers. Are we going to send rescue missions into the stratosphere when people get lost on one of Elon's expeditions?

They probably forgot to bring extra batteries for the Nintendo game controller.

Dead.

FUCK them, let them die. they knew the risks.

Seems like a rinky-dink type of vessel and operation, even at that huge expense. Well....like people who climb Mt. Everest, they're taking huge risks and know that. Thrill seekers and living on the edge.

Is it true the sub was designed on a cocktail napkin at a Vegas strip club?

do you think the tickets are on discount now? This fucked up company. They all signed copious waiver too.

I agree it's ridic the company can't even release a confirmed passenger list. The CEO must really be on-board, so OceanGate employees can't ask "boss, what can we say and not say?".

Using a game controller to navigate is the least of their worries and wasn't the critical failure point I am sure. Saw an old vid with the CEO, they keep multiple game controllers on board as spares.

There are two places no one needs to be.

Mount Everest and the Titanic.

The one is a big fucking mountain and the other is a rusting pile of shit.

Stay home.

I wonder what the other passengers are saying to the CEO. Do you think they are dragging him for filth?

R170 and neither place has an atmosphere that supports human life.

Someone in a reddit discussion said he participated in trial runs to prepare for filming a documentary about the submersible. He would have been the camera operator, but backed out due to safety concerns.

He talked a bit about Stockton, and left the impression that safety wasn't his top concern. It would be fitting for Stockton to be in the vessel now, except it would also be nice for him to face the consequences on land.

At one point the hull wasn't going to have a viewing window. Instead, there would be screens inside to view what cameras outside were seeing.

At that point they might as well load people in, shake it around, and show them prefilmed footage.

I haven't read through the threads, but did anyone see this CEO on MSNBC who runs an ocean exploration business talk about the fact that this was still an experimental sub and it didn't have their equipment cleared by the coast guard which is standard procedure. How in the hell could you risk your life and so much money on something experimental?

I doubt anyone is saying much of anything at this point, r173

I hope no one on board is experiencing a bad case of the farts

I wonder if the 19-year-old regrets asking his mother to cut the crust off his sandwich now.

R164 they're not dead; they're missing.

How were they texting so far underwater? Serious question. You don't lose a cell signal that far down?

If I want to see the Titanic, I'll watch the movies.

Am I right that sonar wouldn't pick them up that deep?

[quote]They probably forgot to bring extra batteries for the Nintendo game controller.

According to Stockton Rush in the video below, the $29 Logitech controller is "great" because, well, it's $29; everyone knows how to use it; and it's designed to be thrown against the wall by a frustrated kid. And, anyway, they keep a couple of spares on board.

See? There's nothing to worry about. He thought of everything.

The Titan Five

If they killed one of them off they'd have more oxygen to spare..

We started with the CEO, r184.

I'd like to be

Under the sea

In a wide-bore MRI tube

With you

You know how an o ring caused the shuttle explosion?

It's like Russian dolls of shipwrecks around there.

I wonder if the cheapo glass broke. What was it made out?

r188 that premise sounds like a short story by Borges

R187, since you have pronounced yourself Miss Grundy the School Mistress here, you ought to know that the term is "O-ring."

Oh, dear.

I think the porthole window failed.

[quote]If they killed one of them off they'd have more oxygen to spare..

Even more if they killed off two…

The window was probably rolled down.

I have been trying to imagine a hull breach. I do have a feeling that the hull would have given a deep moan, a groaning sound, if only for one second, long enough to have the thought “oh FUCK!!!” Then Boom!!! I just think you would know because there would be a sound, even if it’s just for one second or a fraction of a second.

What I am curious about is that if the implosion definitely happened, would there be zero debris at all? Wouldn’t some of the rubble/particles rise to the surface? Not to be too graphic, but wouldn’t crushed human particles float and move up? I don’t know what happens to human bodies that are crushed inside a Coke can in the coldest part of the ocean….anyone know? Wouldn’t there be some type of debris that comes up? I know when airplanes get destroyed on the water there is a debris field that floats, but no idea if the dust and parts would rise up.

And yes, r192, I think the call it a viewport, you may be right about that.

Spit and duck tape...with fingers crossed R189..

The glass is made of plexi, R189.

This thread I'm linking has a lot of info.

Paul Henri is my kind of older man. Developing a crush on someone who is either already lost at sea or at risk of imminent harm is greatly symbolic of my love life.

R195 The rig had exterior flotation devices. They would float up. But the rig was TINY. In a vast ocean. miles down.

'Reddit–Dive into Anything' is a bit on the nose here.

R182 From what I've read, the military uses Xbox controllers because you can put them into the hands of young men and they know exactly how to use them.

Strange times.

Stockton probably bought cheap Chinese knockoffs from Amazon.

Maybe, maybe this will teach other billionaires and millionaires a lesson to avoid space travel too.

R199, that is true — also, I read today that they didn’t call the Coast Guard for 8 hours. Maybe it did rise to the surface and was carried away by the time the CG got involved?

It seems like with all the ice in the water that it would block objects from fully surfacing. This thread is actually fascinating.

Imagine they died instantly because the sun sucked.

Do you think their souls popped out and had a look at the Titanic first before the golden like tunnel called them? Maybe some old Titanic ghosts were having a good ol'laugh. "So you wanted to see the Titanic huh? Welcome to being dead!"

Then they had a gay ol time with the capn apologizing for making such a shitty sub. Crew members say the afterlife was a nice bonus. Then they say something about going out in style. Better than being hit by a car! And they click their heavenly champagne glasses and see the Titanic. Apparitions pretends to be rose and jack and the sub people are like what really and the ghosts rib them like now. That was before our times silly! Fooled ya!

Anyone know how many test runs they did on the Coke can prior to putting paying customers inside? That is fucking insane!!!

[quote]If they killed one of them off they'd have more oxygen to spare..

But wouldn't they be wasting oxygen in the process of killing someone? Exerting the energy requires extra oxygen.

Sadly, I believe it will ultimately be found lying on the ocean floor in two pieces like the Titanic.

It reminds me of one of those “life sized” subs sold in comic book ads.

R198 are you me? Thanks for the link to that informative comment thread. For this topic, I don't find many lame ass wise cracks particularly good or funny or interesting. PH looks like a smart, sweet elderly daddy. Alas. Also, I read an msn article that prez Marcon requested a French ship go aid in the rescue.

R208, maybe they have sea monkeys on board too?

You guys aren't alone - I think that I've also fallen in love with PH.

Will speaking use up oxygen faster?

R186, thanks for the photo - that looks terribly small, bit bigger than an MRI scanner. I'd be horribly claustrophobic. Did the five get heavily tested for claustrophobia before the trip? Maybe someone panicked and tried to break free.

It’s stuck under an iceberg.

R213 Three of them are seasoned adventurers; if anyone were to panic, it would be the Pakistani businessman and his son, but they could be quickly dispatched.

All systems have probably failed and they are dead. The communication system (beacon) is the most simple and reliable and it failed. Also, the self-abort mechanism (to get it to rise to the top), if any problem happened, also failed.

Do not get your kids involved in this news. They are dead. It is not good at all. Protect them.

Here am I floating round my tin can.....

[quote]FUCK them, let them die. they knew the risks.

If only Maureen McGovern were still alive to record a theme song for the inevitable movie.

R215 that raises a question, does the captain have a tool to subdue a panicky passenger?

R216 kids? Listen, Cunt… this is a site for gay men. Please fuck off.

Beat the unruly passengers with an extra game controller

R215 you mean killed?

[quote]Do not get your kids involved in this news. They are dead. It is not good at all. Protect them.

Millions of kids watched the space shuttle explode on live TV — it was a life lesson toughened them up, I suppose.

OceanGate’s founder and CEO said he most worried about getting stuck and not resurfacing when asked last year about what there was to worry about while diving down to the Titanic.

"What I worry about most are things that will stop me from being able to get to the surface," Stockton Rush (pictured at left) said on reporter David Pogue’s podcast, "Unsung Science."

"Overhangs, fish nets, entanglement hazards. And, that's just a technique, piloting technique. It's pretty clear — if it's an overhang, don't go under it. If there is a net, don't go near it. So, you can avoid those if you are just slow and steady,” he said.

Rush added that everything in life involves risk but that he felt safe making the trek.

"I don't think it's very dangerous. If you look at submersible activity over the last three decades, there hasn't even been a major injury, let alone a fatality," he said.

A former ABC News correspondent who completed the same dive in 2000, said his vessel found itself unable to surface when a strong underwater current propelled him and his crew beneath the ship’s stern.

Michael Guillen, recalling his experience on Twitter on Tuesday, said the incident “almost claimed my life” and that it took some time for the submersible he was in to get free.

[quote]do you think the tickets are on discount now?

They have to build a new submersible.

Luckily that one looked to only cost $9.99, so maybe next week?

R215, do you mean murdered?

[quote]"I don't think it's very dangerous."

What do you think now, dumbass?!

I had no idea that 180 people have gone down there so far. What the fuck for? Send robot subs for crissakes.

Anytime I start hearing "This is The End, my only friend...the End..."in Jim's voice, I don't do it. Either that or the Looney Tunes credit theme.

And they talk about it so bizarrely. How important it is to "monitor" the state of the wreck. Why? It's not the Taj Mahal! Or the Coliseum or the Pyramids. Leave it the fuck alone. Or visit with robot subs.

Why is this a tourist attraction? The mind boggles.

[quote][R215], do you mean murdered?

It’s the “Delicate Question”, but with lack of air instead of lack of food.

What else do we know about hot daddy PH?

How many times has this sub gone down there previously? If I do the math, that’s 36 trips, yes?

This reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode- the Thirty-fathom Grave. There's a Twilight Zone episode for everything.

R234 other submersibles have been down. Even 25 years ago it seems.

R224 Yes, and those tough children grew into the upstanding men and women that make up our fine society today.

Yes, but I’m wondering about this particular submersible, how many times has it been down?

[quote]OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush is believed to be the fifth crew member.

Why "believed to be"? Isn't there a passenger manifest that can confirm that? Da fuck!

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[quote]"I don't think it's very dangerous. If you look at submersible activity over the last three decades, there hasn't even been a major injury, let alone a fatality," [Stockton Rush] said.

Uh...

They are afraid it might have gotten stuck in part of the Titanic wreck. As they die 1,500 ghosts rise from the wreckage to welcome them. Newspapers headline Titanic death toll rises to 1,505.

It was a matter of luck...and it ran out.

Going to stink of piss and pooh

[quote]Why the hell are AMERICAN TAXPAYERS paying for this "search"?

That puzzles me too and I'm not even American.

I mean -

[quote]A Hercules aircraft will fly over the area where the missing submersible could be, the Pentagon has said. Two C-130 military aircraft conducted search and rescue flights on Monday and a National Guard C-130 flight will take place on Tuesday, the Department of Defense disclosed during a briefing attended by CBS News - the BBC's US news partner. The US Navy is also sending a salvage system to assist with the submersible, with equipment and service people arriving in Newfoundland on Tuesday night.

This is one of the last threads I’d have expected the “think of the children” troll to appear.

Canada and the U.S. have a lot of mutual defense agreements, R245.

[quote]r204 Do you think their souls popped out and had a look at the Titanic first before the golden like tunnel called them? Maybe some old Titanic ghosts were having a good ol'laugh. "So you wanted to see the Titanic huh? Welcome to being dead!" Then they had a gay ol time with the captain apologizing for making such a shitty sub.

Luckily, I would be wearing my J. Peterman genuine Titanic dress on the submersible! I would fit RIGHT in!

R235, I like that episode

JFC. Why are we paying? Because first responders are not in the business of make value judgments on if victims “deserve” a rescue. Would you want that for yourself? It’s not a perfect system, but if I have to choose, I choose this.

Can we convince Elon to go visit the Titanic?

There is an article at the NYT

Evidently this submersible was so ( allegedly) innovative that the owners declined to put it thru the normal testing that other submersible s go thru when being designed.

Lots of those people involved in the testing process wrote a letter to the company saying how a total loss was not unlikely. The company was warned this could happen.

The company said their design was above normal industry standards but they did not submit to testing, They called the long time required for testing to be anti innovation.

[quote]JFC. Why are we paying? Because first responders are not in the business of make value judgments on if victims “deserve” a rescue. Would you want that for yourself? It’s not a perfect system, but if I have to choose, I choose this.

Absurd, there are many, many, many dire situations around the world in third world countries so why has the US chosen this to prioritise?

[quote]If only Maureen McGovern were still alive to record a theme song for the inevitable movie.

I'm still here, ya big dope.

They’ve already gone full cannibal. I’m sure of it.

Ironic R253. Like the Titanic, which was said to be unsinkable.

Paul-Henry Nargeolet is a very handsome old man. Wow. He gives off Logan Roy vibes..

This is such a scary and disturbing way to go..

For those saying the vessel probably "imploded" and death was instant?

Elaborate- Why/how would this implode?

I truly hope that is the case because this is just a horror movie.

Reminds me a little of the end of The Vanishing.. The Dutch film..

I envy the family of Paul Henri. To be 77yo and still so healthy to do things like this. Amazing. I only wish my parents were even half as healthy.

R253 Innovative according to whom, if not tested?

Are you on crack, R254? The west sends plenty of money to help all over the world, including disaster zones in third world countries.

R261 Not on crack, what a silly thing to aim at me. The US has probably chosen this because it involves rich people. That's my theory.

So they knew it was missing hours before they reported it to the coast guard? Wow.

A modern day Greek tragedy.

I suppose US public assistance has to get involved since this has global interest. I wondered initially of the 19yo boy fucked something up, but now I don't think that's the case. The coast guard are out of the depths, literally. And I'm still shocked the passenger list too over a day to **surface**.

Let's not forget CEO Stockton Rush. Full head of hair, good features, easy smile and charming/disarming demeanor. Maybe too charming/disarming.

It’s just like The Vanishing except totally different but otherwise exactly the same

The Pakistani and his son.

R262, I’m that poster….I DO agree with you, there is no doubt some of this is about white privilege and class, 100%. But it’s also not that simple. I also think it’s about media attention, the very unique scenario this is, there is a child on board, the historical implications, etc. etc.

But at the heart of rescue is this — save lives. So once it’s on their radar, of course, they are going to deploy assets.

R266 They did, indeed, vanish. Just like the movie 😲

[quote] Those missing include Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his son, Suleman

Get Alfred Molina and Riz Ahmed on the phone!

Please, for the love of all that is holy, if your Child receives a Titan boarding pass at Titanic Las Vegas or the Titanic Museum in Branson this summer, DEMAND A REFUND! Our Precious Children already know the ending to this one, and they deserve so much better than a dud boarding pass!! Further, they should NOT have to see those two foreign names! It will confuse them!!

H*nter B*den (I can't bear to see it in writing) is gleefully chipping away at the innocent joys of Childhood, and that includes little Laiykyn's anticipation of getting to the end and finding out if her person lived, or died gasping through blue lips in the freezing waters of the North Atlantic!! For the love of God, let them be Children! Let them have their surprise! Let them have their innocence!

Please sign my Change dot org petition and vote Trump-Santos in 2024 to stop this wholesale destruction of Our Children's innocence! Please!

@R60

As self reported.

Obviously it was tested. But not by the folks who do the normal testing on these submersibles. The company declined.

It’s not the USCG that does this testing as someone suggested above suggested They were clearly warned in writing that a massive failure was not an unlikely occurrence.

The actual NYT article does a better job of explaining this than I can

R268 The white privileged Pakistanis? Y'all just spout off any old shit, don't you.

Yeah, it's just a RICH people thing. Also, the youngest person wasn't a child. 19-years-old is an adult pretty much everywhere.

Turns out Shahzada Dawood is a major contributor to King Charles' charities. Charles must be shitting a brick.

R271 wasn't Jack Thayler a little hottie?

Jack Thayer, survivor of the frigid seas

R271 Bless you for speaking on this 🙏

Naming the vessel "Titan" seems to have been courting disaster, especially while visiting the wreck of the "Titanic".

R268, Pro forma. "Rescue" will become "Retrieval" soon, and then we will finally be informed what authorities (and some of us) knew from the git-go:

We have not the means for either operation to succeed. The submersible is forever submerged.

They shouldn't waste money saving rich fools when there are millions starving in Sudan.

[quote]R259 I envy the family of Paul Henri.

He was so good in all the old Bette Davis movies, as I recall!

They’re all going to die down there.

Tax payers are paying for the Coast Guard whether they’re sitting around the base or out on a mission so it’s not “wasting money”. Look at it as a training exercise.

Coincidentally the Captain of the Titanic had never been involved in an accident at sea. Until he hit that iceberg.

Juicy.

R273, calm your tits. When I used that term, for sure I was leaning much much more toward class over race, but it wasn’t the best choice of words on my part. Do you deny that in the US there is a link to white privilege and class? If someone can afford $250k per ticket, they benefit from white privilege because they buy their way into said privilege. But I hear you — the billionaire may also not be technically white.

If our rescue operations are just sitting there doing nothing, and it’s blasted all over the news, they would look terrible.

[quote] How long was the whole trip supposed to last?

They started the dive at 9AM and were supposed to resurface at 6PM.

they said this morning that this was the submersible's 25th trip.

Has Elon weighed in on this yet? Is it making him worried about his trips into space?

Can you get up to stretch their legs? That pic at R286 makes it look a little roomier

R286 The hell is that from? A meme?

I wonder if this will put the kibosh on rich people wanting to go to outer space on Elon Musk's rockets?

R281 yes!

R291 Brian Tyler Cohen. He’s a journalist.

R288

The mate was a mighty sailing man,

The skipper brave and sure.

Five passengers set sail that day

For a nine hour tour... a nine hour tour...

Where the hell is Aquaman when we need him?

Inside the Titan. Even if they did survive and the mission was a success with that cramped space, 5 guys and one small window I wonder how much they'd really see anyway. They'd have to go back and forth up and down, sounds not so great to me for quite a pricey ticket.

R297, they apparently had cameras and screens too.

R296, Making a movie, DUH!

R297 who's that sexy fucker with the controls?

why the fuck are they blaming the US response? isn't the wreck in CANADA?!

The one with the controls on the wall at R286 is an earlier iteration called Cyclops One.

In the video at R182, Stockton Rush is interviewed while sitting in it.

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Say it ain't so, dad should've said no

Turn the lights off, carry him home

Na-na, na-na, na-na, na-na, na, na

It would be great if they found Julian Sands, too, when they dredge up the wreck.

worth noting that deep-sea exploration and submersible operations are inherently dangerous, and safety precautions are of utmost importance. Submersibles undergo rigorous testing and certification to minimize the risks associated with such operations.

LOL, R270

Sounds awful

That link at R183 explains it all - that and The New Republic story about the sacked whistleblower engineer.

Catastrophic hull breach, either the carbon fibre hull itself (after multiple pressure - depressure cycles) or the glue (!!!) joining it to the titanium end pieces (one of which features the plexiglass viewing window that its manufacturer refused to rate as being able to withstand such depths).

To quote another wag recently, "Bye bye!"

R286, is that actually verified? What's the person's name?

Harry Whisteblower

They should have at least equipped the thing with an AirTag.

R297 not to mention the feet smell. Yuck!

Why were they all allowed to be texting as they descended? Didn’t the Captain tell them to put their phones on submarine mode?

Okay… who’s playing who in the inevitable film version?

So if they do find the sub, I imagine all the video footage they were recording *may* be salvageable if it was digital (obviously).

Perhaps even up to the moment of disaster… or a record of their slow deaths.

Grim… but. It could reveal a whole hell of a lot!

[quote] So they knew it was missing hours before they reported it to the coast guard?

They reported it missing when it failed to resurface as scheduled at 6pm Sunday.

Ask any mer-man/You happen to see/Who’s the most insatiable bottom?/Insatiable Bottom of the Sea!

I'm suddenly in the mood for a turkey and provolone sub.

Paul-Henri Nargeolet in his prime.

Feel bad for the kid. Was probably just going along with the trip the father suggested. Very irresponsible.

[italic]Why Titan Will Not Be Classed[/italic] by Deidre Hall and Stockton Rush

[quote]While classing agencies are willing to pursue the certification of new and innovative designs and ideas, they often have a multi-year approval cycle due to a lack of pre-existing standards, especially, for example, in the case of many of OceanGate’s innovations, such as carbon fiber pressure vessels and a real-time (RTM) hull health monitoring system. Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation. For example, Space X, Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic all rely on experienced inside experts to oversee the daily operations, testing, and validation versus bringing in outsiders who need to first be educated before being qualified to ‘validate’ any innovations.

There isn’t a submersible rescue craft big enough to bring that sun off the ocean floor from that depth. If the sub is on the ocean floor, they’re dead, whether that’s the case now or not.

If it’s floating on the surface, they can be rescued, assuming they’re found. The Americans and Canadians are conducting air searches now.

I’m interested to know whether the navy has said anything. They have listening devices in the Atlantic to keep track of Soviet (now Russian) subs. They may have heard something if it was loud enough.

^^^ sub

[Quote] r117 "Hey, let's pay thousands of dollars to get into a ̶b̶e̶e̶f̶e̶d̶ ̶u̶p̶ [Bold]jerryrigged and MacGyvered[/Bold] mini van and go to the bottom of the ocean".

FIFY

R315 I can tell you this much, Mike Reiss, who travelled to see the Titanic on a now missing submersible last year, see R308 could easily be played by Wallace Shawn.

Tonight on “Is It Supposed to do *That*?!: Deep Sea Disaters,”…

Great post r116. I thought it was bad luck just based on its adjacency to the Titanic name.

[quote]However, this does not mean that OceanGate does meet standards where they apply, but it does mean that innovation often falls outside of the existing industry paradigm.

Strange claim from Oceangate about not meeting applicable standards (at R322 link).

[quote]Okay… who’s playing who in the inevitable film version?

Insert Chrissy Metz joke here.

Reiss has gone three times.

$750,000.

If he had gone once instead of three times he could have donated the other HALF MILLION DOLLARS to a really worthy charity.

But R331 he probably only got a few minutes out that little window each time so missed most of the action

I'm sure Lens Dunham could play some sort of part in the obligatory movie

Who would want to go anywhere near the window? The "toilet" is directly in front of it, separated from the rest of the deathtrap by a cloth curtain while in use.

"We are still learning."...said in one of the videos. So...the passengers were guinea pigs, essentially. They willfully paid for it, though. In this case, their lives.

[quote]The Pakistani and his son.

I immediately heard this to the tune of "the millionaire . . . and his wife."

[quote] Why the hell are AMERICAN TAXPAYERS paying for this "search"?

My guess is Canada asked the US Coast Guard for help and the US military does not “help.” The U.S. military “takes charge” of an operation. I heard there’s some kind of winch the Uk has that might be if service but US military has refused to allow it near the zone. Meaning it’s now a U.S. military operation and U.S. can’t be bothered having Tom, Dick and ‘arry zipping around a US military zone. If anything happened to the UK guys, the US would be immediately be blamed and never hear the end of it with international lawsuits and crying wives, children and tv anchors blaming the “stupid US military” for killing their Toms and Dicks.

It’s not an ideal situation but it’s a very stupid thing these people did by taking something that looks like it could’ve been advertised in the back of a1960s comic book down to the bottom of the sea.

They are fish food now

The U.S. Coast Guard is leading the search because the Titan is an American owned vessel in international waters.

Let that limey ship find em!

R328

Thank you. Yes, I thought same as you, uncomfortable named after the Titanic, which met a calamitous end that too but when I looked up the origin of the name I was really uncomfortable with it. I don't believe in these things but then again...I guess I do.

The emerging parallels between Captain Smith and the White Star Line people who felt the Titanic was "unsinkable," and didn't really need lifeboats and the people who ran this sub operation are becoming sickeningly clear.

H U B R I S

They sleep with the fishes.

It was a death trap. No industry safety installed. It was driven with an off-brand game controller. Not even a brand controller like PS or Xbox. No communication outside of texts which were limited to begin with.. The lights inside were purchased at Camping World.

R303 Step-son seems like a bit unhinged in general

If it’s anything like my game controller, the batteries probably died right in the middle of the most important maneuver.

They were so glib about that controller too. "We've got a couple of spares." Oy.

r268 there is no child on board. There is the spoiled 19 year old son of a billionaire. A legit adult. No children to be found.

Other posters saying there is fear they are stuck in the Titanic are stupid. This terrible sub could never find the Titanic on it's own. It needed ship communication to find the wreck. It lost contact with the ship so do we really think they made it to the Titanic, much less inside?

There is no hope for these people. In the year 2023, we struggle to find half of an ocean liner, that is not moving and has been sitting on it's ass for 100 years. There is no way a sub the size of a van will be found. A ship is a struggle, a sub is like finding a particular grain of sand on a beach. It's over, they are dead. If lucky, the haul was breaches so that their inevitable death was instant.

>>The Pakistani and his son. >>>> R336 I immediately heard this to the tune of "the millionaire . . . and his wife."

Hey, there are 3 other people in this thing!

r337 calm down. It's not like Prince William is in there. Neither the US or UK government really gives a damn about these people. They are wealthy but not that important in the grand scheme of things. It'd be like Jeff Bezos getting swallowed by the sea, ain't no one in Washington going to really care. These aren't men that really did much for politicians/governments in the UK or US, comparatively. If it was someone like Bill Gates, Peter Thiel, a Pritzker, a Kennedy, etc, whose politically contributed more than a fat bank account to the world, then governments would care. A random billionaire, can get fucked according to the US and UK government.

The Navy helping is just par the course. It's what we do! Everyone knows the likelihood of these people being alive is low. No one will be blamed because you ain't finding any sub to use that wrench on.

Oracle weigh in?

I still remember the thrill when the hot Professor and his hag were properly added to the theme song.

[quote]r323 The navy has listening devices in the Atlantic to keep track of Soviet (now Russian) subs. They may have heard something if it was loud enough.

The screams and curses are probably too muffled to be heard.

I bet one of them shat himself or let out a disgusting fart that was pungent enough to make Stockton's eyes water and he lost control of his little joystick

Compared to this tuna can, a pineapple under the sea doesn't seem shabby at all.

If they were all hotter, a mermaid would take the time to rescue 'em.

are they going to set up an oxygen countdown clock in Times Square ?

R286 I said it upthread. The porthole window.

The stepson can't wait until his mom officially inherits, and really, who can blame him?

The sound of billionaires screaming has been removed

…or perhaps this was an extremely clever MURDER.

...or these people are attempting to fake their deaths.

The step-son seems like an insufferable twat. He spent last evening partying at a concert while dear old step-dad was buried alive. Now he's in line for a billion dollars. No doubt we'll be hearing more about this idiot in the future.

Between the Titanic and the Titan I can't decide which made more bad decisions that lead to their demise.

So....even if it resurfaces, they could still die if not found in time?

WTF on earth would you take this risk? No GPS, no way to escape. Literally anything goes wrong and you're fucked.

[quote]r348 Other posters saying there is fear they are stuck in the Titanic are stupid. This terrible sub could never find the Titanic on it's own.

You’re a real Debbie Downer. And probably just jealous you didn’t get to go on this wonderful adventure.

There’s an axe onboard that Rose left in one of the rooms after freeing Jack. Hopefully one of the passengers saw the movie and remembers this. It could help free them from any debris that’s snagged them. Or even be used against a shark.

The Titanic at least had life boats. Seems we're not much smarter as a species in the last 112 years.

Is there even a first aid kit onboard this thing?

R361, let's get Jessica Fletcher on the case!

Why couldn't they tie a really long rope to the sub so they are least know where it is?

Will they have passionate sex and paint each other naked like Jack and Rose?

R365 they took their own lives in their own hands and paid hundreds of thousands too. I think it’s unfortunate but to be honest with you they took a mammoth risk with their lives and it didn’t work out. Next news item.

A multi page waiver had to be signed, with DEATH printed multiple times, before the trip.

Greg catered their lunch. The continuous vomiting and explosive diarrhea has compromised the buoyancy.

News shows should stop talking nonsense about how much oxygen they have left. The stupid thing was made out of a new lightweight material that obviously ruptured under the pressure of those depths.

[quote]R374 Greg catered their lunch. The continuous vomiting and explosive diarrhea has compromised the buoyancy.

His much vaunted scrod and prunes, probably.

Are they dead ? Because the alternative is too horrifying to ponder

“And all your money won’t another minute buy”, R139

That is a timeless line.

I think a longer version of this may have been posted on the previous thread but in case you haven’t seen this…

Billionaires below. Billion heirs above.

What I don't understand is - why does it have no sort of emergency beacon or signal, radio wave or sonarish type of thing?

I’d say that rich people who pay for excursions to forbidden/exotic/risky places like Mt Everest or outer space, are aware that it is a RISK, perhaps a large one, and that’s part of the appeal.

But I think increasingly rich people paying for these kinds of experiences deep down expect everything to be taken care of. It’s the illusion of risk they want.

R379 THAT’S the toilet everyone keeps mentioning? OMG… ugh… how could you, ever? Why?

Wouldn’t they just wear diapers? Astronauts do.

I’m sure they could hold off any number two’s for eight hours, and plan ahead on what they had eaten or would eat.

Hello?

Can you hear us through the 12000 feet of string?

If you can hear us, just for the record, that was Suleman gratuitously shitting. Again! Anyhoo, we're ready for our limosubmarines to pick us up.

Thanks!

Round up the brown starfishes, I know one of them knows something.

the only brown starfish we are seeing is the one between our ass cheeks

R379 I hadn’t watched the videos, and had no idea how actually small the thing was inside. My god what a nightmare.

Maybe the submarine driver hasn't even told them they're lost yet.

They knew what they were getting into.

[quote] I'm sure Lens Dunham could play some sort of part in the obligatory movie

The ballast?

I just read that the "last distress signal" was sent about 2 hours into the thing- 15 minutes after contact was lost-

what does that even mean?

And if true, wouldn't that rule out an implosion?

I have not seen this reported yet- (Its on the daily mail, so forgive me)

I hope one billionaire got the opportunity to paint the other billionaire like one of his French girls

There's got to be a morning after. We're moving closer to the shore. I know we'll be there by tomorrow. And we'll escape the darkness; we won't be searching any more.

Also the CEO was a pilot of aircraft. Perhaps not as good as seacraft

In the water, I'm a very skinny dude

[quote]Other posters saying there is fear they are stuck in the Titanic are stupid. This terrible sub could never find the Titanic on it's own. It needed ship communication to find the wreck.

R348 It HAS found the Titanic before, and once got trapped in the ship’s propellor for an hour. From what’s been described, they are either entangled in the wreck or floating on the surface of the ocean because, the sub has several fail safes to make it surface in an emergency. After hearing Michael Guillen’s story about being in that thing, stuck in Titanic’s giant propellor, entanglement really does sound like the likely scenario.

Communication stopped before they had time to reach the shipwreck/propeller.

Well the pilot was far more worried about not being able to get back up. Prophetic like Joan of Arc.

I'm seeing... Bent lines. 2 bent lines side by side .. suddenly it's out, cut off. Lights out.

R383 it’s a combo of craving the risk because their otherwise privileged lives allow for them to never feel at risk any other way, plus they want bragging rights about being able to do something the average person will never be able to do (or afford). It’s the same batch of rich idiots signing up for Richard Branson’s Virgin Galactic death trap

R363, the stepson sounds like a real angry POS and no doubt is counting on his stepdad dying.

More from this incel who is Hamish Harding’s stepson.

Just saw this on Reddit (I know….) but looks like there might be a shred of hope they made it to the surface…

[quote] The screams and curses are probably too muffled to be heard.

But an implosion might have been loud enough.

Imagine how bad it must smell inside that vessel.

R403 no offense but even if it was an SR-71 I don't think they would find it.

You need those methodical, kilometer apart, sonar sweeps to find DEBRIS leading to wreckage.

It sounds like a power failure stopped it from transmitting it's location.

I pray they died quickly

I think I would ask this company for help? And the royal navy.

America invests more in air.

R408- you are a cunt.

Remember when they used sonar to find the flight wreckage? It took weeks. I think that was on top of the water.

Not 12k ft below

Let it sink into your head we’re never going to know what happened and they’re never going to find them ever!

If they find them at this point, I’m calling it a false flag

Perfect for Florida.

Stupid stupid stupid arrogant men- warned by industry of serious safety concerns in 2018. Searching in an area the size of CT with depths of 13,000 feet.

Can I have their billions?

[quote]r382 What I don't understand is - why does it have no sort of emergency beacon or signal, radio wave or sonarish type of thing?

Why aren’t there cushions to sit on inside?

Mini bean bag chairs would have been nice - especially in one’s final hours.

If they do find them and they are on the bottom it's no guarantee to get them out of there. I know this is obvious but this article tells you some of the problems. Very interesting.

[i]”Beyond this point, the ocean is in perpetual darkness. The Titanic lies within a region known as the "midnight zone" for this very reason.”[/i]

Sound like fun! Where do I sign up?

Safe to assume they don't have a second similarly outfitted Mystery Machine to use to chase down the first one?

In the Titan no one can hear you scream

Speculation is that it imploded early on. Terrible but it would be better than a slow death.

R421 Jesus, that really brings it home. I truly hope they all died instantly. I can't think of a worse fate than being trapped in a narrow tube with other people for hours on end until you run out of oxygen.

R422 I really hope so.

If they knew their fate for any length of time, I wonder if they turned on the leader of the company.

After reading that article. these people are fucking CRAZY.

This is nightmare fuel.

My pussy is so wet.

Why isn’t AI technology being used to save the passengers?

ChatGPT, find my billionaire husband

R286 This is interesting but then how did it make two other voyages safely? Just luck it didn't implode on those trips? Has it weakened over time? Not being sarcastic, really wondering. Did they do something to prevent this?

How much money is it costing to search for them? It's like those assholes who get lost hiking in the woods and it takes 200K in search parties to find them.

R430, They’re STILL searching for Julian Sands.

I hope the father and son didn't eat any spicy Indian food with that bathroom situation

I'll show myself out.....

[quote]I'll show myself out.....

Not soon enough, unfortunately.

The CBS news segment on this submarine from 6 months ago.

I wonder how much insurance the expedition company has. They waited for hours before alerting the Coast Guard.

They're heeeeerrrrreeeee, there's nooooooothing I fear and I know that their hearts will go onnnnnnnnnnnn

Canadian plane detected banging.

Aside from sos what's something you could tap to say you're human?

Guess they're having to tap very hard in intervals. Hope they're tapping sos.

Reminds me of the One Step Beyond episode

A swarm of killer bees has hijacked the bathysphere.

If the submersible is rocking, don’t bother knocking.

I've been down a deep-sea rabbit role (so to speak). This description of life at the Challenger Deep -- the deepest point in Earth's oceans, around seven miles down -- is beautiful and brilliant:

[quote]And as we were settling this final fathom, I saw a wonderful thing. Lying on the bottom just beneath us was some type of flatfish, resembling a sole, about 1 foot [30 cm] long and 6 inches [15 cm] across. Even as I saw him, his two round eyes on top of his head spied us – a monster of steel – invading his silent realm. Eyes? Why should he have eyes? Merely to see phosphorescence? The floodlight that bathed him was the first real light ever to enter this hadal realm. Here, in an instant, was the answer that biologists had asked for the decades. Could life exist in the greatest depths of the ocean? It could! And not only that, here apparently, was a true, bony teleost fish, not a primitive ray or elasmobranch. Yes, a highly evolved vertebrate, in time's arrow very close to man himself. Slowly, extremely slowly, this flatfish swam away. Moving along the bottom, partly in the ooze and partly in the water, he disappeared into his night. Slowly too – perhaps everything is slow at the bottom of the sea – Walsh and I shook hands.

It’s sad. They may never find it. And if they eventually do find it, it will be a coffin.

OMG, R437, when was that reported??

There's a whole world down there!

[quote] I have, however, waved at a tourist submarine as I was SCUBA diving off of Catalina, and I felt very smug to be outside the thing and not inside.

I was on that sub! We all laughed and agreed you were a douche.

[quote] Aside from sos what's something you could tap to say you're human?

Human, or otherwise

R443 here

[quote] Why couldn't it eventually be retrieved? Send a robot submersible down with some gas inflatable doohickey that could be attached to the hull, let it gradually float up. If it's in more or less one piece.

Your obvious grasp of the technical jargon is very persuasive.

If they hear banging can’t they locate it?

R411, MH370 remains missing, never found.

[quote]Naming the vessel "Titan" seems to have been courting disaster, especially while visiting the wreck of the "Titanic".

Don't forget the original Titan: "The Wreck of the Titan: Or, Futility" (1898)

[quote]Futility is a novella written by Morgan Robertson and published first during 1898. It features a fictional British ocean liner named Titan that sinks in the North Atlantic Ocean after striking an iceberg. The Titan and its sinking are famous for similarities to the passenger ship RMS Titanic and its sinking 14 years later.

[quote]Although the novel was written before the RMS Titanic was even conceptualized, there are some uncanny similarities between the fictional and real-life versions. Like the Titanic, the fictional ship sank after wrecking on an iceberg in April in the North Atlantic Ocean, and there were not enough lifeboats for all the passengers. The Titan would have survived a head-on collision with the iceberg, but a glancing encounter did more extensive damage. There are also similarities in size (800 ft [244 m] long for the Titan versus 882 ft 9 in [269 m] long for the Titanic), speed, and life-saving equipment.[2] After the Titanic's sinking, some people credited Robertson with precognition and clairvoyance, which he denied. Scholars attribute the similarities to Robertson's extensive knowledge of shipbuilding and maritime trends.

r364 I know you're joking but it's 100% the Titan. Titanic's disaster set in motion many maritime safety standards we enjoy today. In Titanic's day, the wireless was used for commercial telegram notes before safety. It was a way for White Star Line to milk their First Class passengers of money, as these bored rich folks sent loads of telegrams to Europe or America on this new age technology.

The night of the sinking, Titanic was warned by a nearby ships wireless operator about the ice. The Titanic crew yelled at the guy to shut up so he could send a pile of telegrams out. The other ships operator took it to heart and went to bed. That same guy stayed on till the wireless room flooded trying to plead for help. The other ship was close enough to see Titanic's flares. But, the white flares being shot off were the wrong color. The nearby ship thought it was just Titanic trying to get a glimpse of the ice filled area. No one thought to ask the wireless person to page Titanic those assholes over on the titanic regarding the flares. .

We already know about the life boat requirements and muster station drills thanks to Titanic.

Titan, had government standards and agencies to offer guidance, but the owner and passengers didn't care. This is why government regulation is a net positive. This sub didn't fall under much regulation, especially for use in international waters, so the company already facing financial pressure, cut corners. Shocker. Titanic was built with the utmost safety at the time, mixed with hubris (too few lifeboats). They were just unlucky enough to have five hold breached instead of four.

R439 is Miss Schuster

Bump For good news

Although we don’t anyone to die, this shows how selfish and delusional humans can be. Paying $250,000 to watch images on a video monitor so you can brag you were there? Sad

Is the Titanic the only ship that ever sank? Why all the fuss? So wat? who cares?

[quote]r412 Let it sink into your head we’re never going to know what happened and they’re never going to find them ever!

How long does it take to declare them dead? For probate court purposes?

[quote]In 2018, more than three dozen people, including oceanographers, submersible company executives and deep-sea explorers, warned that they had “unanimous concern” about the craft’s design, and worried that the Titan had not followed standard certification procedures. In a 2019 blog post, the company said that “bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation.”

[quote]In the documents, Mr. Lochridge reported learning that the viewport that lets passengers see outside the craft was only certified to work in depths of up to 1,300 meters. That is far less than would be necessary for trips to the Titanic, which is nearly 4,000 meters below the ocean’s surface.

As that baby started to show signs of stress, do you think the CEO said anything or just silently panicked before the old tin can imploded?

I think he offered them their money back if not 100% satisfied

For those interested in the the history of the Titanic and details about visiting the wreck in submersibles, listen to this very interesting podcast by historian Dan Snow and guest Titanic expert Tim Maltin.

"In 1912 Titanic departed on her first and last voyage from Southampton, sinking over 2 miles to the bottom of the dark North Atlantic Ocean, around 400 miles off the coast of Newfoundland. It has captured the imaginations of adults and children alike for over a century since the wreck was discovered- broken in two, but largely intact by explorer Bob Ballard in 1985. Since then, people from all over the world have been desperate to see the slowly degrading wreck on the ocean floor, some paying in the hundreds of thousands to make the trip down.

Currently, the world watches as organizations and countries work together to try and locate a submersible carrying tourists that disappeared in the early hours of an expedition on Sunday. Titanic expert Tim Maltin joins Dan to talk about Titanic tourism, what the perilous journey down to it is like, the state of the wreck and its role as a gravesite for those who perished in the sinking. He also describes the astonishing things Bob Ballard saw when he laid eyes on the wreck for the first time - the swinging chandeliers and the telephone set from which the final distress calls were made compared with what people might see today."

I don't know what to say but that it is spooky.

If only Trump and MTG had been on board.

Maybe we can convince Trump to look for the 12,000 votes at the bottom of the ocean

There is no rescue mission. They're done.

R456 also posts: "Was JonBenet the only child ever slain? Who cares?" "Were the Beatles the only English band? Who cares?" "Is Trump the only corrupt politician? Who cares?" "Was Treat Williams the only motor vehicle accident victim? Who cares?"

Und so veiter.

[quote]r465 “A Deck Elevator Lobby, Chandelier, Cabins”…I don't know what to say but that it is spooky.

I would think that as a historic site it should be kept in better condition. Why don’t they clean all the barnacles etc. off?

Fewer and fewer people are going to want to visit when it looks like that.

R46, WTF are you blathering on about, "magnets," "claw"??

Stupid.

r470 illustrates how the clever comments to this thread have run dry

R257, No, REALLY?! Titanic was said to be UNSINKABLE?! Where did you read this?! Are you SURE that's what was said? I mean, who would have been so CRAZY to say that out loud? Talk about JINX!

IOW: NS, S.

R116, Some of us, perhaps many here, know our Greek and Roman mythology, Edith Hamilton's having been rather popular back in the day.

IOW, if you felt the need to "educate," a simple link would have sufficed.

[quote]If the submersible is rocking, don’t bother knocking.

That reminds of something. I haven’t read both threads in full, so apologies if this has already been mentioned:

Despite claiming to have a number of ways to ascend in case of emergency, the #1 method of dropping ballast is for the people inside to rock the Titan from side to side.

The lead pipes apparently just sit on shelves/brackets with a narrow lip, and rocking forcefully is enough to knock them off.

The engineer who came up with that one must be 10-year-old boy with experience terrorizing his younger siblings on a canoe.

James Cameron used Russian submersibles over 25 years ago to dive there repeatably. . Ghosts of the Abyss starring Bill Paxton was filmed at the wreck site. It's not the impossible feat some pearl clutchers seem to think.

And James Cameron made it to the bottom of the Challenger Deep, the deepest spot in the planet's oceans, and made it out alive again! AND he was the first person to go down there solo, so he still wins the Billionaire's Depth Contest.

No, I don't follow his exploits, that was five seconds of googling.

Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink.

Isn't it wonderful that the AMERICAN MILITARY is wasting taxpayer money to "rescue" a billionaire? How generous. Almost as nice as Mayor Pete giving the millionaires free charging stations for their electric cars.

Water, water everywhere

And all the rich did sink

There's your previous line, R478.

Unless they've recruited Jesus when we weren't looking there's no rescuing that billionaire now.

I suppose they can rescue his crumpled tissue of a corpse though.

If they survive this. they will never be the same. I'm pretty sure prayer is being invoked.

Apparently, the ropes holding the ballast to the craft are designed to disintegrate with prolonged contact to seawater. If it hasn't surfaced, then it must have crashed into Titanic and is entangled. Amazing to think more corpses entombed in Titanic 112 years later.

This is just horrifying to think about knowing you have so many hours left. By the time the rescue equipment makes it there, the oxygen will about out. The rescue effort seems to be more going through the motions at this point as it’s 11,000 ft deeper than any other successful one to date from what I’ve read. Sadly, it will likely be a recovery effort if that’s even possible.. At least lessons will be learnt for future events. This has echoes of Mt Everest climbers, and it’s a harbinger for ‘space tourism’ that’s in its infancy.

R483. Is it possible that the craft just ruptured and that's why it didn't resurface? I thought the news had said the vessel didn't met industry standards and that the components weren't designed to go the depth that it ended up going.

I feel particularly sorry for the teenage boy, and his father who knows his choices have likely ended that kids' life. It's just awful.

There were complaints in 2018 that the viewing window could only reliably withstand half the depth the vessel was going to, so my guess is that it cracked up, having gone down too far one too many times.

R481, I'm afraid you may be vastly overestimating Jesus' grasp of 21st century technology

It's sad because I should feel bad for these people, and I am trying.

But boy have they made it a lot of work to try. Far more than it needs to be.

You want to feel some sympathy, but sometimes the behavior is just too stupid to make it worth the effort.

Well the latest news is they keep hearing banging every 30 minutes so that suggests no catastrophic rupture or implosion. It suggests they are alive and stuck on the bottom.

MARY!!!!! R90

"Knocking every thirty minutes"? I still think they're gone. Hopefully it happened within seconds.

Experts say that by 2040 the Titanic will be nothing but a rust stain on the floor.

When Titanic came out in 1997, I thought they said it was 20 years then r493

Years ago I went to The Museum of Science and Industry ( Chicago) and saw the Titanic exhibition. They had part of the 4 story hull and other relics they had brought up. There was a large sheet of ice that you put your hand on, to see how long you could tolerate it, because it represented the temperature of the water. Before we walked in they handed us a card that had the name of a person who was on Titanic and at the end of the tour you would find out whether they survived or not. It was surreal looking at that exhibit, and Morbid,too. Just seeing that exhibit was enough for me. No way would I go down there to see it's resting place. I do hope they come out of this alive, but I doubt it.

Who among us hasn't left a "rust stain" on the floor?

Or our underwear!^^

assume they find it before the oxygen runs out, but what's next? It's on the sea floor, you can't lift it up, you can't get them out, you can't even send people in...

there will be no "good" news to hear, I am afraid.

Knock 3 times on the ceiling if you want me... twice on the pipes...

It really does look like a cobbled together death trap when you see video inside. It has a Playstation controller.

Wouldn't the reported banging indicate that it had surfaced, as it's designed to do in the event of a malfunction? Surely banging from two and a half miles beneath the surface would not have been heard.

I wondered that, too, ^^

You think that there would have been some kind of escape door that you could open from the inside, then at least they could have escaped and swam to the surface with maybe a life belt and a whistle.

I wonder what they are chatting about in there? My guess would be praying or crying. Or maybe they are beating up the guy who organised this if he is on board. Apparently it will be freezing down there so they are probably huddled together to keep warm…

They waited at least 8 hours to report to the Coast Guard that contact had been lost. Why would they wait so long?

R495, I had a silent MARY! moment looking at the piece of hull. It's such a strange feeling being able to get so close to it.

The banging is coming from the ocean bottom. Yes the floating sonar detectors can pick up signals easily from only 2.5 miles away/down. If they are on the bottom, and alive then it hasn't imploded. If it hasn't surfaced automatically, that means it is trapped. Won't be a happy ending unless some remote vehicle can take down a two and a half mile cable, find the submersible (which could be entangled deep in the wreck of Titanic, hook it the submersible and a ship can wench it all the way up. Not enough time. the clock is ticking.

The most probable thing is material fatigue, a tiny little fissure, a breaking point that gave in under pressure. It might hold just fine for a few trips and then it doesn't. No shark or deep-sea monster needed.

Has anybody tried ringing their mobile phones to see if they answer? That way they would at least know if they are still alive.

What's the rescue plan here? The news is all about missing and searching, there is no "plan", I want to know how they will be rescued if they find it, is it even possible to "rescue" here?

The airforce has sophisticated listening equipment designed to pick up submarine noises. That's how it has been heard.

Rescue equipment (Deep sea drone, loooong cable and ship with wench) has arrived in Canada but will take half a day to sail to the site. Those 8 hours the company waited to report it lost might seal their fate.

This is a real nail biter.

Apparently the last time the sub went missing (that time for a few hours) they didn't report that either.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

The distance down is apparently that of roughly nine Empire State buildings stacked end to end.

How many hours of oxygen do they have left?

R511 I am afraid 8 hours is not enough, even 80 hours probably is not enough to figure out "how" to get down there and hook it up.

"Chris Parry, a retired navy rear admiral from the UK, said without an “emitting signal” from the missing deep-sea vessel near the wreck site of the Titanic it will be “impossible” to find in the timescale. He told LBC: “I’m afraid the odds are vanishingly small. Obviously, we want to remain hopeful and optimistic but there are two problems here – one is actually finding the thing and secondly is how on earth are you going to get it off the seabed. It’s never been done before and I don’t think anybody’s got any ideas about how to do it at the moment.”

$250,000 per ticket...... $250,000 per ticket....

think about it.

[quote]Apparently the last time the sub went missing (that time for a few hours) they didn't report that either.

It was even worse than that, according to David Pogue:

[quote]This submersible does not have any kind of beacon like that. On my expedition last summer, they did indeed get lost for about 5 hours, and adding such a beacon was discussed…

[quote]To be clear, I was not on the sub that day—I was on the ship at the surface, in the control room. They could still send short texts to the sub, but did not know where it was. It was quiet and very tense, and they shut off the ship’s internet to prevent us from tweeting.

[quote]I have now answered this question four times!! But once more: the company explained that it was turning off the Internet to keep all channels open in case it was a serious emergency. We had no way of knowing whether that was, in fact, the truth.

[quote]But the passengers had paid $250,000 to see the titanic, so they felt obligated to spend a few hours trying to find the Titanic!

Fabulous.

2023 problems.

I tried to show the link to that interesting airplane website that shows the single C-13 at the location above of these people.

I am watching Ghosts of the Abyss and the Russians were wise enough to send down a pair of submersibles together. If one gets into trouble the other could assist. It's crazy how this US company disregards safety 25 years later. No locator beacon, no backup com systems..the whole endeavor is just so sketchy.

Publicity stunt!

R521 but in reality the "support" would be offering advice and keeping in touch, I doubt there would be any physical assistance involved, if something happened, the best or worst is to watch the other sinking down and know where to find it later.

Pray for the RICH PEOPLE. oh please NOT the rich people!!! Don't take the rich!! Who will get their taxbreaks?

The underwater noises have not been heard again by the ROV they sent to the area the noise was heard in, according to the USCG Northeast.

R503– you’re dumber than dirt. The water pressure alone would kill you upon opening any kind of hatch — rendering your body into salsa or something equally gross. Fish and other marine life have evolved to withstand that massive ocean bottom pressure. Go back to school.

Even if you could get to them in time and somehow found equipment to start hoisting them up for 2 miles plus, you’d have to depressurize the sub to let their bodies adapt. And guess what? No more oxygen. They’re fucked.

The CURV-21 is what they're going to use (or already are). It recovered a Seahawk helicopter from 19,000 feet a couple of years ago.

[quote]CURV-21 is a 6,400-pound Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) that is designed to meet the US Navy's deep ocean salvage requirements down to a maximum depth of 20,000 feet of seawater.

I wonder if the 19-year-old fully appreciated the risks. I know he's not a child, technically, but he's the only one I really feel sorry for at this point.

those poor souls, how could they risk life & limb for a bit of adventur in a tin can. lordy.

A Father’s Day moment, father and son—- sad and so stupid.

Royal Navy submersible expert Radim. Chris Parry OBE just said on Talk TV that he believes there is no chance at ALL left and that the noises were almost definitely the noise regularly made by the Titanic's metal itself.

For the queens who keep asking about oxygen, roughly Thursday morning EST is when they’re doomed for sure.

What morons!

Here's the clip from r531

If only GrubHub delivered oxygen. That could save them!! Has anyone checked into that?

Unbelievable they didn't have one of these aboard, or did they???

On their iPods:

Followed by this one, R537.

R526 You are the one who doesn’t know what they are talking about. I definitely saw something like that happen once on an episode of The Simpsons.

…and this

What about Donna Summers theme song from the movie The Deep, Down Deep Inside?

Even if they get them up to the surface, they need to be released by someone removing the bolts from the outside, so even if everything else works miraculously, they have to get right by a boat with the correct equiptment in order to get oxygen.

Nick Nolte when he was hot and Jacqueline Bisset in a wet t-shirt in The Deep

They were all old except the teenager. Throwing money down the drain instead of helping a fellow man. Take that money and actually make a difference in someone's life who needs it. Greedy scum. Good riddance.

$250,000 to us is like $250 to them. They weren't hurting anybody or doing anything illegal, I don't wish them dead I hope that some miracle happens and they survive.

R542 The big rescue boat would probably have a small dinghy on board, they could travel on that with some bolt cutters.

R545 why are you talking about them in the past tense?

The jaws of fate ...

They could kick out the window and then swim up to the top!

Well, time for me to learn even more (crow isn't as bad as you might think):

The US is helping, and there are cables that extend deep enough.

Of course, Task #1 is to locate the Titan.

That "banging" heard at 30-minute intervals? Sounds insufficient for desperate people, but fitting for metal hitting metal. Could be a sound from Titanic* herself.

*I'm a stickler for no "the," like with "Ukraine."

Maybe they are fighting to the death and THAT was the sounds? I mean, you MIGHT survive if you off 4 people and keep all the oxygen they are stealing from you. If that's not a reason for survival I don't know what is. Are you telling me there are NO weapons on this thing? Even the crew on Armegeddon had guns. I'm just saying.

Now the Defence Editor of the Sun Jerome Starkey is on Talktv (Mike Graham) reporting that the reason for so much hope from the banging every 30 minutes is because it's standard distressed submarine practice to bang at 30 minute intervals, so that's good.

However, he's also saying that there are US military people (unspecified) who are now reporting that they heard the sound of an explosion (time unspecified), so there's that.

Hope that banging the hull as a distress signal didn't cause a microscopic rupture that imploded it.

The other point made is that the trip was made at the moment that it was because there was a sudden "weather window", so if the weather turns again before they find them, the operation to get to them could be severely hampered.

I think it's hilarious this moron and his game controller are all alone with some very pissed off customers. Can you imagine spending your last hours being cussed out while you explain their next trip is free if they all get out?

If there was an electrical fault and the heat went off, they're all dead from hypothermia by now anyway.

R545 You don't know anything about these people, maybe they give tens of millions of dollars to charity every year. It's their money they can spend it as they want. You sound like an angry bitter raging lunatic.

Yes, everyone's talking about running out of oxygen, but just like with most of the Titanic passengers, it's hypothermia that is the major killer.

bitch, all that tapping is just me

I do get a kick out of all the poors in this thread who hate these people for being wealthy.

39 degrees. They are frozen by now. I am also disappointed that Leo hasn't commented.

Didn’t they do this in Triangle of Sadness? Who turned on whom in that cramped space?

I don’t think they would turn on each other because they probably think that rescue is imminent

At least no HOT people are in peril. As a particularly attractive person myself, I know losing one of our own can sometimes add to the tragedy.

There’s got to be morning after. Check back tomorrow.

Why do people assume that the super rich are bastards who give nothing back to society? You know that 90 per cent of the world's population quite rightly see even lower middle class Americans and Europeans as wealthy? And they think that because they're right.

Subby McSubface

If this "sub" is at bottom of ocean then that will be that. Due to depth and other issues there really isn't a way to bring that vessel back to surface. Well at least not quickly enough to even remotely find persons entombed still alive.

OTOH USA did do something similar in past with a Russian sub that sunk to bottom of Pacific ocean.

Now it's being reported on GBNews that exclusive sources are telling them that the tapping was in fact in an S.O.S pattern.

R570: OMG that's disturbing.

Sucks for USCG that there's banging and now have to make it look like they are trying to save them. They can't be saved and it'd have been preferable to message that 'most likely they were dead early on'.

The company that put that sub down there with no hope of rescue if the worst happened should and probably will be sued into oblivion.

Only an idiot would even think about doing this in the first place, I'm glad these people are dead. Dumbasses. Maybe this saga will deter other inordinately wealthy individuals from this useless daredevil shit, but I doubt it.

Well they aren't dead, are they Blanche?

“We’re praying for their safe return, but hoping for the best.”

[quote] You don't know anything about these people, maybe they give tens of millions of dollars to charity every year. It's their money they can spend it as they want. You sound like an angry bitter raging lunatic.

Billionaires who come from the poorest countries on earth usually got their money by stealing or corruption.

Imagine sitting in a tiny little tin box with four other people, with only enough room for one person to stretch their legs.

With no toilet on board, you can imagine how disgusting things have gotten. Terrible, an absolute nightmare.

R578 Like America you mean?

Morse S.O.S is "Dot-Dot-Dot, Dash-Dash-Dash, Dot-Dot-Dot" in case anyone is wondering.

Since toileting keeps coming up... Surely everyone would have drained every hole before getting on there?

Apparently, the disclaimer they signed included the word “death” three times on the first page alone.

This thread has really brought out the angry and bitter poors.. I wonder if they are posting from a desktop at their local library?

America has toilets. R579

Part Three

There’s actually an extremely good chance the noises they’re hearing are not from the sub. People shouldn’t get their hopes up.

I hope they're found within the 24 hours window (amount of oxygen left...running out) and alive, even if barely. There's a very slight bit of hope, if detecting knocks.

Two unmanned robot vessels went down last night and imploded at roughly 3000 feet, apparently (GB News).

The worst thing about dying on a $250,000 adventure ride is all the snark from the poors.

I regret that I have but one life to give for the amusement of my country.

I still can't believe that people voluntarily got into that thing and were willing to be bolted inside, much less that they paid a quarter million a piece for the "privilege". I simply cannot imagine thinking that would be a good idea.

People with money $$$$$, and no sense (cents)...

Wonder who the first one was to shit their pants.

There's a type of person who just never really thinks that anything bad will happen. Even if "aware of the risks," they just go through life thinking that things will turn out ok and plunging ahead. I'm sure that there's a link between that mentality and the ability to become a billionaire.

As a poor who gets anxiety attacks at the thought of even a domestic US flight, I can't fight my Schadenfreude.

trump is such a person (sorry...using as an example).^^ He got away with everything throughout his life...it's coming home to roost now. Ok...no more trump.

I don't care when billionaires die, especially like this. Fuck them.

r577 That may be true, but this particular billionaire inherited from his father and grandfather. The rise of the "3rd world billionaires" as a class is really a late 20th century phenomenon. This man's family fortune predates that period.

I feel sorry for the kid and the French dude. (Although why someone with such a distinguished resume would board that Edsel is beyond me).

The owner of the company is a tool.

The billionaire got his fortune selling private planes to the good folk of Dubai. That sort of makes me suspect he's not a very nice person. Call me crazy.

Anyone who would take their 19-year-old son on something like this is a fucking waterbrain.

Bump

Trans is beautiful!

A 19 year old isn't a kid but a free adult. He could have said no, and no-one could have made him go on the trip.