Heartstopper

New Joe interview. OF Nick also been remarkably less busy with work the last few days. Hope Joe's having fun before heading home.

Bash in single mode

So far I think Joe looks better post break-up but I will give Bash a minute to get out of character. I'm sure the curly haired twinks are lining up.

Joe in his single (selfie) era

Obligatory (Kit has been ready for his hot boy summer for awhile)

Agatha is apparently a loose adaptation of The Witches Road according to two reliable leakers. Haven't read it so need to check it out

[quote] The boy(Billy) will seek out Agatha's help to enter the Witches' Road, where the wishes and desires can come true according to Daniel RPK

R1 I think it’s a shame that line got pulled as the title. It’s clearly throw away but I doubt anyone from HS will share it when it kind of sounds like he doesn’t love the show (which if you read it, you know it’s untrue)

R7 Oh yeah, didn't notice that. Does seem a bit shady towards HS which wasn't his intention

R8 he’s talking about himself - clearly thinking his Billy is very sweet too.

Yes, but you'd have to read the article. The headline makes it seem like he's talking about the show.

Billy isn't that different from Charlie. Just more confident and probably a little more edgy, but Billy and Teddy are just superhero Nick and Charlie.

R10 I’ve heard that before from Marvel diehards. That they’re the basically Billy and Teddy fanfic

well, we'll see if he'll even share it first. I can see one or two of the people he's closer to in the cast and hypes a lot reposting it anyway. If alice and patrick had sense they'd repost it to put a damper on the dumb "they're taking sides" discourse

R11 essentially. Alice has made a couple of drawing of Nick and Charlie dressed up as the two

The new title annoys me because it's not accurate to what Joe actually said. Anyway, Joe reshared it by reposting EW's IG Story, but given that EW hasn't even made an IG post about it, the cast doesn't have anything they can reshare.

That's also a pretty good photo of him

As far as clickbait titles go, this isn't the worst.

How many editions of Vol 1 is she up to at this point?

R17

i lost track a while ago

R11 They are a little more adult, but otherwise not much different. Teddy doesn't do much in general and Nick is probably the better character in comparison even if he doesn't do much either.

The gay rep is nice in HS for kids and for Billy and Teddy for a more general audience, but I hope stories where the young MC doesn't marry the first guy he fucks get more common one day

Bash with a fan (one of the ones who turned on Joe, amusingly) today

R14 new? It was something else before?

I think it’s pretty dumb of Entertainment Weekly tbh. The HS cast has big reach. Giving it a title they can’t share seems silly

r19 yeah i hope there is a middle ground between gay tragedy "can't be together due to society" CMBYN and Brokeback Mountain fare and "together forever, pure and very PG rated love." That said I still want Joe in one of the former in the few years to see him get naked and get critical acclaim

R20 He looks like he wants to kill himself.

R23 the person who met him said "i swear he was laughing the entire time we met😂"

I think he looks good?

R24 someone up thread said this was a fan that turned on Joe… but he has yesterday’s pics of Joe up.

R25 same. I’m enjoying dirty Bash. I can’t imagine we will see him again anytime

Bash seems to be cosplaying as a hobo from the looks of it.

I haven't seen many turn on Joe if they like both of them. Though I don't pay much attention. The weirdo account everyone knows who deleted after saying she missed old sweet Joe was the worst.

There's a few that will cling to Bash, but when promotion starts they'll go back to Joe since he'll be everywhere. People overestimate Bash's popularity within the fandom and I say this as someone who likes him.

r26 I said that and I guess i'm mistaken - he spent a few days only posting, rt, and liking bash stuff (used to follow the account because I follow basically anyone who likes kit, bash, and joe without a weird issue with one of them, shockingly rare).

R20 I don't think any of the previous Joe/Bash shippers actually turned on Joe. They're all posting stuff about Joe's interview today. They are just also posting tons of stuff about continuing to love and support Bash.

R27 Bash is currently playing a hippy in the play all these pictures are from. I'm sure as soon as the play wraps next week he'll be back to his previous look. Although I do appreciate scruffy Bash.

I don't know if "turning on" is the right way to phrase it, but you can easily tell which ones are heavily favoring Bash because they're retweeting Joe's interview with no comment and then proceeding to fawn over pictures of Bash from the play.

Interesting that Yaz said far worse about HS in her Vogue interview and Joe is talking about his performances. I mean I just don’t see the interview getting shared with that title

Agree with others that they can favour bash all they want but he won't be the one getting HS media attention or critical acclaim. and I say that liking bash and planning on watching his next projects. But all the HS content, especially now that they've broken up, will absolutely be kit and joe and to a lesser extent yaz and will, with some cori and kizzy.

R32 I'm assuming it's what everyone thinks. They are young and want to do other things. Only Alice will cling to HS forever.

And nothing wrong with favoring Bash (or Joe). Just don't be a shit to either one of them constantly. Bash is catching strays here pretty badly sometimes.

R34 yeah I feel bad that his play is called mediocre or he's accused of hating joe's fame when tbf i think little has pointed to that. He's gotten really good reviews for the play, I thought he was decent in HS, and he seemed extremely proud of Joe for 2 years. might be hurt feelings on both sides right now but no sign of bad character for either

I thought the necklace was finally gone but no apparently not. This is a nice video

Assuming the necklace is something they bought for themselves that's just matching. I don't remember Joe ever wearing it after the first time. A bit weird but it's expensive and maybe he likes it.

Can't believe people were right about the Cartier stuff, but at what cost.

r37 either that or he's trying to reclaim it. it's pricey and unlike the cartier stuff (built in meaning) or the engraved bracelets it doesn't seem personalized. I do think chances are it was a matching birthday gift for joe, but maybe he just doesn't care about that

R35 yeah I didn’t get the resentment comments at all. He’s been a huge cheerleader for Joe. For whatever reason they’re sadly not together anymore but there is zero evidence it was professional jealousy. Maybe work was involved, Joe clearly isn’t slowing down anytime soon. Though, I don’t know why after two years Bash would suddenly be a cunt about Joe’s success. I’m an avid believer Bash did the breaking off but I just can’t imagine that’s a factor.

I just remembered the DLer who was given the same Cartier ring by a boyfriend and was promptly broken up with three months later. Mate, I hope this hasn’t been triggering

r39 yeah i mean look maybe feelings would've changed regardless. but if agatha filmed in england i think they'd still be together. that's not an issue with either of them, distance is hard.

R40 Starting to thing those rings are cursed

R42 that was definitely his feeling

R39 It's the way many are an avid believer that Bash did the breaking up, the same way people are allowed to assume that there could be a possibility that Bash is a bit bitter about Joe who is a newcomer doing so well in his career while he is still stuck being infamous despite being in the industry for ten years. Things like that can get to you and the probability of it isn't all that far-fetched.

Not to float my own theory again but think what's sort of a "compromise" opinion and seems more likely based on personality we've seen is not that Joe's success got to him, but that while Bash is objectively doing very well career wise, his friends are taking off around him and I'm sure there's stress and ambition that accompanies that and makes him think he needs to focus a lot on his career. Kit, Joe and even Will are landing really cool acting jobs and the former two have great big agencies, Nell is the lead of the new Omen movie, Amybeth is still quite famous off Anne with an E, Georgie has Wednesday, etc. Also, and this is not an insult to Bash or his singing voice, while his voice is pleasant enough I don't think it's good enough to land him West End musicals the way he did as a kid. If he saw everyone doing really well around him (and to be fair I think 4000 miles was also a great get), and decided he needed to hyper focus and sacrifice for his career for a while, it may well have contributed to seeing "sacrificing" for a long distance relationship for years as something he didn't want to do.

Bash was always supportive of Joe and everyone around him, but I can see how eventually you get tired of it. Especially when you feel you are the one doing all the work, as in you are the one who has to follow your BF around while he does cool things. We all know he was excited about Marvel and will probably still follow Joe's career.

R44 yeah fair. I respect the theory just don’t really agree. Honestly, we’ve all been speculating like crazy and it’s been fab. Professional jealousy is no crazier than any of the other theories. and who knew OF Nick would actually shake down to be a theory with foundation. Bets are off

R47 Joe did an interview for his cover issue of Soho House and the interviewer said something like 'Joe is probably the coolest 18-year-old in the world'. Bash cited that quote in the comment section of Sohohouse's post. I think he was always happy and supportive of Joe but probably a bit envious. It's normal human behavior. Bash has been in the industry for 10+ years and Joe is 10X more successful than him after 2 years. He basically got the first thing he ever professionally auditioned for. Even Basn couldn't achieve this success with all the money he has. For the past 6 months (minus the play) he's been following Joe around, helping him settle in his beautiful, shiny apartment in Atlanta, etc. I don't see how that couldn't cause some friction. If not, I can't see why they would break up right now.

There's also the possibility that Bash also knows his next career move, and knows it'll keep him tied to another geographical location. If he lined up a show filming in England, he might have just done the math and realised they'd spend a lot of time apart and he couldn't handle a relationship like that. I think because everyone was far away from Joe, and he was in a new space, always busy, learning on the job etc., perhaps the alienness of not being together physically was less jarring to him than to Bash who had less busy days and work, and was in the same places they used to go together solo. just a guess though

Joe is getting some heat in the quotes for this quote about Wanda Vision. Does anyone know what he's talking about?

R50 that just seems like a few homophobes and if they think the young man who plays one of the few gay roles in Marvel isn’t going to talk about the queer community they are deluded. I would say his take on Wandavision is maybe poorly articulated- it’s saw it as being about grief and rage but I can see how he got there.

it sounds like he was specifically asked about how popular wandavision was with queer people, which it uniquely was among marvel properties. people just want to be offended.

R52 when the real answer there is mainly that we got to see Elizabeth Olsen and Kathryn Hahn chew up the scenery together

R50 Seriously confused why some Wanda fans (with Lizzie Olsen pfp's) are mad. And they remind me of Dany fans from Game of Thrones. completely unhinged

R50 its only a couple of unhinged morons, the same handful that hate post every time he comes up. the majority of the comments are positive.

Joe and Kit are truly each others cheerleaders.

And to think that some used to claim that they don't like each other off-screen.

R55 yeah, always some people who are going to hate on Marvel casting, with the exception of a few characters.

I really hope we get Lizzie Olsen and Joe on screen together sooner rather than later. Both of them are so good at non verbal acting.

r56 tbf i think on DL the major suspicion was they used to, during s1 and ensuing promo, not be super close. which i think they more or less confirmed. bt i think they're undeniably close rn

R56 They are obviously close. I'm actually surprised people didn't make Joe's whole interview about that quote though. HS fans being fair to Joe and caring about things other than what he said about Kit for once in their life? This breakup worked miracles.

Bel talking about HS from 49:15, says Patrick is the director. Doesn't seem like an intellectual powerhouse though maybe i'm just unfair. talks a bit about Joe at 54:40 (literally for 5 seconds)

R59 I think a lot of them feel bad about the breakup stuff/speculation and the shit Joe copped around it when he clearly wants to be private

R60 I guess follow up she says her character "breaks a lot more boundaries" and there are a lot more genders and sexualities this season

I finally saw 4000 Miles tonight and truly loved the play, it was heartfelt and surprising funny. I need to see Eileen and Bash together on the screen now, they had fantastic chemistry and comedic timing. His American accent is very good but Eileen seemed to forget about hers at times. The two girls were fine and I did not expect one of them to straddle Bash and for them to kiss on the floor, she tries to unzip his pants for a blowjob but they get interrupted. I saw Bash afterwards but didn’t talk to him him. In person he’s lean but strong looking with broad shoulders and seemed to be my exact height which is 6 foot. He’s very magnetic in person and seemed to be in a great mood and spoke to everyone. I wish I had seen the play sooner because I’d love to watch it a second time. Eileen is a feisty old dame. I’m also seeing Assassins tomorrow but you’re probably not interested in that one.

R62 thanks, sounds like you and the other DLers who have seen the play all agree Bash was really good. He may just be a better stage than screen actor, which isn’t a bad thing. Glad to hear both he and joe have been in good spirits when spotted.

I laughed out loud at this. Tbf not terrible fanart. Glad someone is taking notice of joes ass though I wish they’d just let him be rail thin and stop trying to muscle him up. Some of us love a twink

R62 Thank you for that summary! Minus the heterosexuality.

R64 Hot! N.E.R.D.Y. does the same thing in his Charlie art. Just Let Joe be thin. The size difference between the two is part of the appeal!

Joe's collarbones, tiny waist, and smooth flat chest are some of his hottest features. let him showcase them, don't erase them in fanart!

R60 I already listened to the podcast and summarized it the last thread. 7th reply in the last thread:

[quote]Bel was on a podcast and there are some bits and pieces in there. She mentions that people figured out she was in the cast because someone posted a picture of her with the cast from a school shoot (I don't think I ever saw that?), her first scene was a night shoot and she messed up by missing her cue, Joe told her to not stress about it and that she's fine, said she met the whole cast the first day, wishes she had acting lessons beforehand but Euros said she was fine. Also says they explore more sexualities and genders. (I really hope she enunciates more on the show.)

R56 Some people still claim that. And that they have no chemistry. It’s bizarre.

R68 I saw, that’s where I decided to go listen to the podcast. Thanks for the idea. Just thought others might want to listen. Maybe I’m unkind but I did not find her likable. With Yaz I know she comes off self centered but I can see how she’s fun, funny, and good t9 hang out with. Bel just seems shallow

R70 would help if I’d posted the link though

Joe is fucking nice to not have unfollowed Bash’s sister back. Wonder if he hasn’t noticed, or if he just is trying to make it clear he bears no ill will?

R69 To say that Joe and Kit have no off-screen chemistry is just an absurd thing to say. Cause how does anyone look at them and say that?

R72 He has no reason to unfollow her.

R74 The fact that she's being petty at her grown age should be reason enough for him to unfollow her I would say.

R72 My guess is that he hasn't noticed. Mostly because I can't imagine bitchy (in the best way) Joe continuing to follow her if he did.

R73 Their chemistry is the main reason the show worked.

R74 I mean I would argue she has no “real” reason to unfollow him. Hers was presumably loyalty to her brother which is understandable, and his would be cementing a mutual understanding that they don’t have a relationship anymore which is also understandable. His finsta is small because it’s all people he really trusts and wants to give access to his life and vice versa, I don’t think him unfollowing her back would be unfair

Joe is aware his unfollow would be taken as a statement of some sort. I also think he should’ve unfollowed her troublemaking ass.

R73 that is such a fucking cute still

I’ve said it before here, but I don’t understand the recast Charlie / no chemistry dipshits at all. Performances are guided by scene partners. The version of Nick Nelson that Kit performs is reflective of his chemistry with Joe (just as the impact of his scenes with Olivia are influenced by the quality of actress she is). I’m not saying Kit’s performance with someone else playing Charlie would have been bad, but it would have been different. Also, the straight girls love the kissing and it certainly would have looked different if it wasn’t Kit and Joe’s perfect lips together

r79 yeah, I also think Nick, while a boring boyfriend as written who is elevated by Kit's acting, would seem like a total weirdo for being into Charlie as written without Joe's acting. The writing for Charlie when he and Nick first become friends and Nick first catches feelings is painfully dull. But Joe is so cute and charming that he makes it work. And it doesnt hurt that, as Kit said in the interview, when someone is as beautiful as Joe is playing off an "awestruck" "that's a pretty human being" thing in some scenes is way more doable.

This video is so cute I completely get why it went viral

Seems likely that we're getting something for Tudum. Guessing others suspicions of the Eiffel Tower clip that's already been teased at some events is plausible

R79 Switch out either Joe or Kit for someone else, the whole thing could have easily gone to shit. Hell, imagine if Bash had gotten cast as Charlie instead of Joe. No second season.

R80 Isn't there a version that has a million views or something ridiculous like that?

I always thought the way Joe threw his lips, body and entire being onto Kit took their chemistry into a whole new level. There’s an openness to his body language that is so raw and frank.

R83 not to be too cheesy about the whole thing but I thought joes rawness and inexperience on set played really well with the role. I happen to think Joe is actually a remarkable talent and gave an insanely good first performance but I think even the awkwardness with which he said some of the lines made total sense for Charlie falling for someone who actually liked him back for the first time.

I don't know what the chances are of this happening at this point (if the show gets to this point, if they skip the novella stuff, if they sanitize it too much because of the cursing), but Joe and Kit would kill this scene.

R83 I've always thought about it but didn't know how to articulate my thoughts. Very spot on. I'm wary of the chemistry for season 2. Everyone says it's going to be better, but there was some rawness in season 1 that I don't think can be re-created. It's also possible that them getting closer made it harder to act as a couple. Joe did say in his interview that he was more in his head while filming season 2 (at least, at the beginning).

R86 Seems fine to me from the looks of it.

R86 I'm honestly not worried about that. I think at this point Joe and Kit won't have to try at all to broadcast having affection towards each other, which is half the battle. I'm pretty sure Joe being in his head was more about measuring up to the critical acclaim he got individually for the first season than anything to do with the chemistry he had with Kit. And there's also how Kit talked about Nick and Charlie right after they had wrapped S2.

Agree with those saying that Kit and Joe’s raw chemistry with each other really drove a lot of what worked about the show. They were great and David Thackeray is clearly great at his job (though watching Sex Education, it’s clear a lot of it is inherent to Kit and Joe, as no one on that show has the same physical compatibility). I don’t think there will be a chemistry issue. Kit and Joe are clearly fine touching out of character, and have better irl chemistry

[quote]it’s clear a lot of it is inherent to Kit and Joe, as no one on that show has the same physical compatibility

This is actually a really good point. Kizzy and Cori are clearly close, but the chemistry on and off the show reads really platonic.

Has anyone shared Joe’s interview yet?

r91 EW only posted a story Joe reshared, not a post, so don't think so

Twitter fans are fawning all over that Kit quote. Joe’s getting more love than he’s had since the GQ MOTY interview. Break up is already good for his brand…

R93 I think both the Kit quote, and people in retrospect feeling bad that a week after they were all either celebrating or mourning his breakup and looking for signs of who did wrong, he has an article drop about how private he is and how much the attention panics him

His story hasn’t been up that long. I’m sure some of the HS cast will repost to their stories once they see it.

R93 The Joe and Kit fan girls are rubbing their clits to the fantasy of them turning into a real-life Nick and Charlie. It’s like the Joe and Sebastian fan girls but amplified. These guys can’t catch a break.

r79 even putting chemistry and performance aside will also note that for all people wanted someone less outright twinky than Joe to play Charlie, which is dumb, they should be grateful now in retrospect. Because Joe definitely looks older than 15 but not comically older the way some other actors his age would. with no offense to Bash, for instance, who I think is a better actor than he's given credit for here, him trying to play a 15 year old in love this season would be almost funny.

R91 No, but Kizzy did like the tweet. Don’t get why EW hasn’t made a proper Instagram post yet, especially since the interview is part of their Pride Month coverage.

R95 The funny part is that the Heartstopper fandom is still incredibly normal and tame in terms of "shipping" real people together compared to most other groups. I've seen at least 5 viral tweets (with thousands and thousands of likes) in the last week hoping that Halle Bailey and Jonah Hauer-King break up with their respective partners to get together. I've seen similar things about the Queen Charlotte leads.

R98 Shipping real life people who play on-screen couples is something that happens in all fandoms like you pointed out. So I don't see the harm in fans wanting Joe and Kit to be together in real life as well. Now that they are both single, there's nothing wrong with wanting that is what I feel.

Atleast now we won't have to hear 'it could hurt poor Bash's feelings' from Joe and Bash shippers once Season 2 drops and people start saying that Joe and Kit should get together or hook up after seeing their on-screen and off-screen chemistry.

It also helps that Kit and Joe don’t seem to give a shit about it and continue being affectionate regardless. I have a friend that worked on a show where the two people playing a couple already had a bit of a strained relationship and the shipping (which was on a level of batshit I never want to see again) ended up making them resent each other more and now the actors can’t stand each other.

Yeah the Joe/Kit shipping is like the Joe/Bash shipping times ten. The girls are gonna go crazy and have all sorts of conspiracy theories LOL

R96 people wanted someone less twinky to play Charlie? Charlie Spring has to be the twinkiest line drawing ever drawn.

R102 hopefully Joe cares less about the interest in something that isn’t actually real. No need to care about people snapping photos of him and Kit in public if they’re just mates (no waist grabbing there)

R101 I think I know the actors you're referring to. It's interesting how Millennial versus Gen Z actors react to that kind of stuff. Joe and Kit are active enough on TikTok that you know they've seen the videos, I think Kit even liked or bookmarked one of them? Comparing them to Kit and Maia? And it seems like they're completely unbothered by it.

R104 Watching Kit’s random TikTok favourites pop up has been hilarious - I’m fairly sure his favouriting of the Maia versus Joe hug video was an accident (or he didn’t know people would know because that was a new TikTok feature at the time), but I doubt the ‘woah… good friends?’ cute interview moment was.

R105 did he favourite that? Hilarious. Definitely a new feature for creators to see who had favourited their stuff with that Joe/Maia TikTok but anything newer than that and he had to know

R106 He did, and then Joe commented on a TikTok about Kit 2 days later.

LOL that’s too funny, they’ve always been well-aware of the fangirl shipping. Pretty sure that was when he had just gotten together with Maia too.

R107 Now I’m projecting too much on them but can only imagine he saves that kind of thing to show/give shit out to Joe. Doesn’t seem likely he’s saving them just to watch himself being mock offended by Joe saying they are just close friends.

I do think part of it is finding the shipping genuinely funny especially because (RIP) Joe and Bash were attached since basically day 1 and people would insist all their conduct was explained as being besties, while also insisting slow mo clips of Joe passing Kit a mic were signs they're in love. I do think the chemistry on and off screen is great and sincerely hope the breakup or them feeling weird about it doesn't hamper Joe and Kit's friendship or interactions

Yaz is on the cover of Them.

And Alice on the cover of Hello.

I will always laugh at interviewers clearly finding her cocky or offputting and then trying to persuade you they like her confidence. "Finney’s self-certainty is palpable. She refers to it as a level of unabashed authenticity, but it reads as confidence that borders squarely on the right side of cockiness. She is impervious to haters — “you’re still in my world and that brings more opportunities toward my profile,” she says of them — and likes to punctuate her already emphatic statements with “period,” which makes it seem like she’s proud of her own responses."

That said, her slandering Heartstopper is always welcome. "“When I look at Heartstopper, I see a world of positive energy and escapism,” the young actor says of the show that has brought her name to the forefront, with a second season set to debut on August 3. “It’s an ideal world that a queer person wants to live in. Is it the reality? Absolutely not. Who really has a friendship group like Nick and Charlie’s? I certainly didn’t.”

[quote]Who really has a friendship group like Nick and Charlie’s? I certainly didn’t.

Everyone in my high school friend group ended up coming out as some kind of queer, but I guess that's the exception to the rule. No one was hospitalized, though.

R113 The way every interviewer mentions her ego is so funny. If it works for her it works for her, but that would personally give me pause.

She actually seems more interesting in that interview than others. She’s absolutely full of herself but it’s not without justification. Article seems to heavily imply that the YSL beauty deal is why she’s making enough for her lifestyle. Good for her. Her take on HS always pretty blunt. Watch Alice share it because even though the content craps on her vision it’s not in the title like Joe’s throw away line was

R94 That dumb fan who made a whole tiktok about it must be feeling like shit. Or maybe she doesn't care.

It's interesting. I would say, right now, Joe and Yaz are maybe the most busy with opportunities for their career. Yaz has an amazing team because she's the one from the cast who had the most cover shoots (even more than the two leads). She has a brand deal with one of the biggest beauty brands in the world. She's working that image up. Joe is a no-brainer with his Marvel check, he's probably very fine financially. Kit is working his way in the fashion world with Loewe and JA. Still waiting for him to announce a big role or something with his acting career. His agency is one of the best in the world, so I'm sure something will come out soon, hopefully. Bash is doing okay, but nothing like these three. I would even say Will is doing pretty well with his new single being played on the radio and his Cannes invite.

R113 She’s infuriating.

R118 Unless she's trying to pivot full-time into brand and modeling work, I personally wouldn't put Yaz above Joe, Kit, Bash, and Will. Those 4 have done multiple acting projects since the show came out. Yaz booked the Doctor Who special and that's been it.

I’ve always thought Yaz is a great model and a mediocre actor. In a lot of ways, being the first trans supermodel is better representation than continuing to focus on acting. Maybe she’s realized that’s where her talent is and the pivot is intentional.

Yaz is an excellent model and pulls off some weird looks and I actually do believe she's likable in person given Ncuti, Joe, and Kit all seem to love her and the cast hypes her nonstop. But her acting in S1 was not great. Did anyone see her short film?

R118 I think there's a decent (not certain, but possible) chance Bash's play bounces over to West End which would be great career wise. But no one is touching Joe or Kit as breakouts in the next year or two imo

All this Yaz talk just reminded me of for some reason about how she reposted all the stories mentioning her on her birthday except Bash's. She never liked him is what I feel.

R124 They used to hang out all the time (Yas, Bash and Joe) maybe she was putting up with him because of Joe. Does anyone know if this Grace person knows what she's talking about?

R124 she hung out with him and Joe a lot pre show and just commented on his last post, I think she's closer to Joe than him but don't think she has an issue with him

[quote]She tells me an agency had signed her to their books as the company’s first out trans model. It could have been the maturation of a dream her mother once had for herself but was never able to pursue. (Even today, her mother gushes for hours when she comes to set, as she did with our cover shoot, and is given a few minutes in front of the camera.)

Hopefully she's not just a vessel for her mom's unfulfilled dreams.

R125 She has Marvel sources so she's been right a good amount of times, but what is she talking about? What did they change with Wiccan?

R122 I saw part of it, she wasn’t good.

R124 I think Yaz just missed his, she didn’t repost a few others too. She liked several posts for him on his birthday and has commented and liked recent posts of his so they’re obviously friendly.

R128

I dont think they necessarily changed anything with Wiccan himself, but i think they changed the plot of the series which now will focus on the Witches Road storyline I think. I'll look for the leaker tweets but at this point idk what to believe the actual plot is going to be

R131 Oh, I read about that, but I have no clue how that would be pandering to the MAGA crowd. I might not know enough about the comics, I guess.

I follow Grace and actually saw the livestream where she made that comment. Grace is a huge fan of Joe. Every time someone questions his casting she says they’re wrong and should go watch Heartstopper.

Grace’s comment about the MAGA crowd was a very casual comment. She’s publicly questioned the quality of the writing in recent Marvel projects. She’s was saying that she’s worried that if rewrites for ACOC will make Wiccan’s introduction weaker than it could have been an invite criticism. She definitely wants Joe to be well received.

I get her concern but think Marvel knows its target audience and who loved Wandavision. Would be an odd choice to hire a lot of gay fan favs (not even Joe, Patti Kathryn, etc.) and then try to butch it up

Bash today:

he looks good. I don't think he or Joe have "glowed up" since the breakup as they were both hot before but they're both weathering it really well and look good.

R135 Thank God the scruff is starting to go.

R135 Looking good. His green eyes are something else.

Bash keeping and wearing gifts from fans is very sweet.

Maybe I'm misreading it but this is kind of a weird tweet for Tobie to like. Think it's probably just meant as a "Cori is great" but comes off a little passive aggressive to Joe, or maybe I am just dumb and don't get it

R140 I don't read it as passive aggressive - Cori clearly wasn't annoyed and was just trying to keep Joe away from the mini fight that was going on. Seems lighthearted to me.

Also, I love Kit's reaction when he realises what Joe (and then Bash) is doing. Genuine excitement and happiness.

R141 I think Cori doesn't come off annoyed at all, it's the "saved his ass and deserves praise" that seemed weird. But I'm probably just being stupid

R135 That's a photo with my friend who saw the play today - her thoughts were similarly positive to everyone else on here who has seen it. "Very very talented actor and totally at the same level with Eileen. He really was very good and Heartstopper really didn't show his full potential. He was funny and dramatic, and had a brilliant rapport with Eileen, you really felt their relationship." She also said how lovely Bash was when they met, and they had a little chat about where she's from and how he has a favourite vintage shop there.

Someone link the new Patreon pages, please and thanks.

R144 He’s fantastic in the play. He has a long monologue towards the end that moved me close to tears. I’m also always in awe over how actors can memorise so many lines and not fumble them.

R140 Sad that they probably won't go as a big group this year.

Sebastian is getting a bit of a tan R135

Bash receiving more art from fans:

R149 That's sweet. I hope he can still text Joe and show him but it might be too awkward.

R150 if anything he could just text the groupchat, which I'm sure has probably been a bit awkward and dead post breakup.

He looks hot there R149. It’s a nice drawing but I don’t understand gifting celebrities big gifts like that.

Did Joe just follow the cinematographer that does the posts from the set or is that someone else? Looks like he’s following the instas of a few of the crew from the show

Joe liked the most recent Alexander McQueen post of one of their suits. Let me be delusional and think this will be one of his next outfits or what he will be wearing to their show

R154 really hope to see him at their Paris show, if they have one.

R153 looks like it

This sounds so interesting. And you can say from all this that Agatha is going to be a hit.

R154 I'll be delusional with you and hope he's getting a new grooming team too.

R157 I didn’t love his hair in Paris either but otherwise I’m not sure what you mean? Joe looks hot for big events

R158 I think he looks better in fan pictures than at big events.

Even GQ MOTY??

If he pops up on the IOM with his usual post-job short cut then every stylist is out of luck.

R161 It does look like he might've had a bit of a cut based on the fewer curls poking out of his cap lately, but hopefully it's only a trim!

R145 Don't remember the last pages I posted, but they're still on the college tour.

R161 It can't be worst than the heartstopper hairstylists. Season 1 was good but I hate what they did for Kit this season. The worst undercut I've ever seen.

R161 I hope he’s got wind of some of the thirst about his hair and leaves the curls. Between that and his glowing skin he’s looking his absolute best (and I thought he was pretty flawlessly hot already)

R165 yeah I hate to say it because I think it implies the relationship was holding him back which is unfair, but he's been radiant in every picture I've seen this month

I don't think the relationship was holding him back, but I agree that Joe has been looking great. The Marvel groomers have done a great job with him. Joe's hair and eyebrows are both perfect now. And even if he's the one that was dumped, I get a sense that some of the stress of trying to make their relationship work has been lifted. Long distance relationship are always hard.

R168 yeah. I didn’t have any issues with Joe’s eyebrows before but they look amazing now. I think they have definitely done some work on his skin. I realise he’s just older now but that level of glow is new. Guy is getting facials for sure (insert ‘pics please’ joke)

R166 It might be unfair, but it's not untrue.

Whenever I pop in it's to pictures of Joe looking hotter and Bash...not. Joe's obviously thriving, hopefully one of Bash's new twinks helps him out.

R169 I doubt Bash specifically was holding him back but others may be right that if there were issues for a bit or (the theory I saw and believed) he could sense something was coming and was trying to keep it together, the relief of a resolution might lead to a glow

Marvel wants their heroes to look like heroes which is why Joe is looking way hotter recently.

Joe was always hotter to me than Bash, but the difference has become starker than usual in the last month.

There’s an old McQueen suit with waist cutouts. Need them to make something similar again so Joe can show off his slutty little waist

R174

This one right? I wanted to see Joe in this one too

R175 I think so, i had seen it in grey but actually prefer the black.

I’m not with the majority that think Bash is looking a little rough. My post at the top where he is with the model “friends”, he looks hot. Undeniably Joe is looking really fresh though. And hot - he’s looking really hot.

R175 yes. I want to see him in that…

OP Here. 24 hour ban

R125 The whole maga shit I think is because Billy, who is 11, might take over the body of a young adult, Joe's Billy. So basically he's an 11 year old kid in the body of an adult with a boyfriend. MAGA people will freak the fuck out and puritan trolls in general. She's talked about how she didn't want Billy to just take over the body of another person before. That's what happened in Wonder Woman 1984 which caused some controversy.

I enjoy Grace being the #1 Joe stan though.

I think Bash is looking good too. He is meant to be scruffy for the play and I think the scruff doesn't always pair the best with the outfits he likes, but I think he's still hot. Joe has always been my number 1 so comparing them isn't fair. Curious how the Kit fans think; want the unbiased opinion of someone who has neither as the one they're most into

R173 Bash looks hotter to me than Joe but I’ve always been into men like him. I can appreciate a twink every now and then though,

Sebastian’s Greek side is very strong which I find incredibly attractive about him. I can’t wait for him to both get and look older. They all look different to one another though I don’t see the point in comparing, everyone has different tastes.

I wonder if this book of witchcraft could be the origin story for Billy that Grace Randolph was concerned about. She said it’s like giving conservatives and MAGA types “red meat”.

Bash looked beautiful on stage and afterwards when I saw him Monday. He has a very magnetic presence which isn’t that common.

R178 I was wondering about you OP. Clearly in Muriel’s bad books again.

She seems to like Bash. The last thread I made with Bash I didn't get a ban. Next time use a Bash picture with the OP that he's single and looking for twinks

R182 really don’t think Marvel will do that kid to teen thing. They can be clueless, but these are crazy times - hard to ignore the LGBTQIA+ of it all

R183 I’d believe it. Clearly both of them needed that change

R183 His charisma seals the deal for me, I get it.

R185 yeah, she’s always been fine with Bash threads. Not OP but I did have a run where I didn’t get banned for HS threads. Not sure what the difference was except we weren’t getting ff into oblivion every time. My timezone is out of sync with you all so maybe that had something to do with it

R186 I have a hard time believing MCU would be that fucking clueless too, though Grace has never wanted Billy to just take over a body....which even in the comics Billy's origin is confusing as hell and I think retconned at least once to change. Taking over a body is the easiest thing. Though they should just have it that Wanda used Billy Kaplan to make her son, not that her son took over him. Hopefully she's just overreacting since she never wanted the body swap shit

Bash and Joe are pretty different types but I think both very obviously attractive. From people who’ve seen both it seems to always be an estimation that bash is as attractive as he looks in photoshoots (so, very) and Joe is way more attractive and radiant in person than in photos. From a purely aesthetic perspective shame about the breakup, they were an extremely hot couple

What's going on with Bash's Amazon series? Amazon seems to have completely forgotten about it from the looks of it.

And doubt they'll be giving him any push like a poster suggested looking at their lack of interest in this project.

R191 it was a teen romcom, not a series. Guessing it’ll come out this summer or fall. Kits has also been silent weirdly

R192 If it was to come out this summer or fall, Amazon would have started promoting the romcom. But there's literally nothing about it anywhere.

R193 Amazon never really does too much promo, aside from Citadel and a few other properties. Even The Summer I Turned Pretty which was a big hit for them had barely any promo season 1. You might be right that summer is too soon if it’s not yet announced though

R194 There was so much promo for TSITP. R192 You wouldn't know Kit is with a top agency with how silent his recent projects have been. I don't understand what they're doing.

I expect both Bash and Kit's movies in the fall/winter sometime.

R195 His agency has nothing to do with the release dates and promotion of his projects.

R195 I guess we’ll see re bashs movie. It seems like you are set on them ignoring it and letting it flop, I just doubt it given they’ve already spent money on making it and casting three relatively buzzy teen actors

I can't find much about Amazon movies in general, even those in production, to see how long it usually takes them to release things. Hopefully Bash's bad luck of projects taking forever to come out doesn't continue.

Kit's movie will get released even if it's awful because it's Kit. And it still says Netflix. Guess they didn't read the author's email yet.

R195 I think that’s why a lot of assume Kit has something big under wraps. Seems crazy, considering his current reach, that they would be sleeping on him. You’d think he wouldn’t be a hard sell - Track record in film since he was a kid, clearly working his own connections, pretty good recognition for a guy in a queer romance aimed at teens, cute as fuck. He must at least be auditioning heaps.

R197 absolutely. Assume you are one of the industry DL? Because Cuban Girl is Netflix do you think it is probably already slated but they’ll wait to announce date until after HS release when Kit is really buzzing again?

Kit's so young, parts for someone who is 19 might be hard to come by. It's not like he can play 25. Might be better use of his time to network than do another teen romcom where he plays the perfect boyfriend. Not saying he'd declining roles, but I think he has enough clout and buzz to be picky about what he takes. HS and small projects will carry him for a few years anyway.

Red White and Royal Blue is an Amazon movie coming out in early August. It’s released date dropped about the same time as Netflix dropped the HS S2 date, and RWRB released the movie poster the same time as we got HS stills. If Bash’s movie follows a similar schedule, we should get a release date about 3-4 months before the movie actually comes out. My prediction is we’ll start hearing about it this summer and it will come out this fall.

How To Date Billy Walsh especially sounds fun. I’m guessing it will have a fall release.

I’m a bit intrigued by the Fleabag-setup in HTDBW

R197 100% right.

Anyway, I still haven’t figured out a nickname for myself, I’m the DLer in the industry and there’s nothing particularly unusual with how long it’s taking either movie to be promoted or to come out. I can ask around, but do we know if either of them has finished in post? Because, for example, I imagine Billy Walsh’s post might be slower if Amazon prioritized getting RWRB out, given that RWRB is more of an “event” project.

R200 I’ve mentioned this before, but there are pretty much no Hollywood projects that are both good and big for someone his age to audition for right now, and it’s going to get worse the longer the writer’s strike goes on. I also haven’t completely discounted the possibility that he might not be thinking about tentpole projects right now if he wants to model his career after someone like Mescal or Josh O’Connor. Mescal himself has only recently started dipping his toes in tentpoles. One Of Us sounds like something either of them would have signed up for in their teens. Heartstopper gives him the space to throw himself into indies that are more about expanding his range than about the paycheck without completely disappearing or ending up living with his parents again.

If Hercules opens up auditions and they’re looking for someone in his age range, WME will absolutely want him to audition, though.

Sorry, this got long and my train of thought kept changing as I was writing, hopefully this makes sense.

R200 That's what I'm saying. It's not even about being a Kit stan/delusional. Objectively, he's in a great place as an actor. He works hard. He has talent. He's one of the leads in a popular show and his name carries some type of weight, yet they can't find him some decent work (maybe they have and we don't know yet).

Oh, this totally slipped my mind, but if the WGA strike keeps going and SAG starts striking on top of it streamers are going to want to stretch out the projects they have available to go because they’re going to have to play catch-up after the strikes are over. Less projects to acquire and slot into their schedule, in-house stuff will be delayed.

R206 There's no decent work to be found that 1) is something a 19 year-old can play and, 2) fits with his Heartstopper schedule.

People should just stop looking at Joe getting Wiccan and assuming Kit's going to get something equal, even if he's the more popular of the two. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say nobody from the cast is getting a project that big for awhile.

R204 Movies breaking the fourth wall can be really fun, I have high hopes despite it being a straight story.

R209 No one mentioned Joe because we all know how ridiculously lucky he was for getting Wiccan. I'm not that set on either of them being on a Marvel project anyway, because they're so young and have so much time. R208 That's why I don't think he'll limit himself by signing on for season 4.

R209 Joe's barely wrapped with Wiccan and he's already talking about wanting to play something darker. Given that he's an actor that cares about his craft, I'm going to need this thread not to descend into negativity when he inevitably signs up to do an indie next.

R207 didn’t think of the strikes. Joe’s (and Marvel) pretty lucky Agatha wrapped already.

R208 I guess the strikes will push back all auditioning for projects too?

It’s interesting that Kit seems to fit such a broad criteria (white, cute, popular) but his age means that, short of something specific to teens coming up, he’s probably on small Indi projects. The guess the big agency could actually be why it’s slowed down - they don’t want him to get stuck in best boyfriend roles. I cannot emphasise enough how little care or want to see straight Kit in Cuban Girl

Joe and Wiccan was such a specific fluke of serendipity- that Marvel was launching that character at exactly the time that Joe was the right age is pretty wild.

R211 Didn't really mean to compare the two, just saying those type of parts are rare as hell so Kit not getting one is not a slight against his agency or himself. Though maybe I'll manifest a huge project for Kit now that I've said I don't think he's going to get anything bigger than HS (which is huge and he's the most popular by far in the cast) before he's in his early 20's.

And Joe doing an indie movie sounds about right.

R211 Funnily enough, that’s actually why I think Kit (and Joe) signing on for S4 isn’t out of the picture. They’ll both be 21 so the good parts won’t have opened up to them yet, the industry will still be dealing with ramifications from the strikes, and, well, job security.

Before they randomly gave The Witcher a S5 for no reason I didn't think they've give HS one, but now I'm thinking they will. Alice obviously wants one and don't see a reason everyone wouldn't do another season. It's easy money and popularity.

Even with the understanding that Joe is the right “type” for wiccan it is absolutely insane he got it. At some point I googled actors ages 18-21 because I’m awful with ages and could not remember who aside from Joe and kit were their competition so to speak. For instance, every single kid from IT (Jaeden Martell, Jack Dylan Grazer, Finn Wolfhard, Wyatt Olef) and Stranger things (Finn again, Noah Schnapp); 5 from Umbrella Academy (Aidan Gallagher); Lucas Zumann from Anne with an E. And I’m sure others im forgetting. Minus I think 2 of those people all of them are more famous, have more IG followers and a longer resume, and all have American accents, and Joe still landed it. I know they were looking for out queer actors in casting as a plus factor but even so he must have fucking nailed the auditions

R216 No one talks about it but there's a chance she'll get a lot of backlash for Charlie's mental issues and the way she presents that in s2 and s3.

R218 I honest to god presume that as with S1 there will be real weaknesses and once again Joe will carry her shitty writing for Charlie on his back so her deficiencies are ignored. He and kit single-handedly got her every bit of praise she’s received

R217 for real i need to see some of his Audition Tapes. Hopefully Marvel show them in the behind the scenes stuff. Joe with one small series and one stage performance won an absolutely massive Marvel job. I dont think people realize how insane that is. He must have been incredible.

R218 The show's rating will keep her from doing too much damage.

R215 agreed about your points plus frankly critical acclaim, ease of filming, and nostalgia are big factors. It’s kits breakout and joes first role plus they seem really close to one another and the cast for the nostalgia factor. Honestly 2.5 months filming and later on a month or so of promo (probably negotiable the more famous they get) is not insane, it’s not filming for 7 months in the year, and it’s right by kits family and near a city Joe loves for filming which is convenient. And aside from being steady work it also landed them Emmy and NTA noms/a win, RTS for kit, and GQ. If this season replicates that, especially if it flips and Joe gets the wins and bulk of the critical attention, high chance both are willing to finish out the show

Not to read too much into nothing but I think now that Joe has more experience and confidence in his skill, he’ll give an even better performance for many reasons but chief among them being he won’t have any reliance on Alice anymore. I thought he was already great s1 but he said in an interview at some point that it was nice to have Alice because he’d explain his thinking behind Charlie for a scene and sometimes she’d react in a way that indicates she disagreed and he’d change accordingly. Side note that he reaction sounds so annoying. Give notes or don’t but a full adult telling a bran new teen actor she disagrees through passive aggressive faces or noises sucks

But Alice is a moron who writes 2D dull characters. Joe bringing his own thoughts; and experience as a gay teenager and someone who dealt with body image issues, to the table plus his own innate skill will make the performance even better

I wouldn’t pooh-pooh Joe’s achievement down to pure luck. The Marvel bosses are notoriously picky. Judging by how kind and lovely the leading ladies been with him, I think he delivered.

R224 I mean, he even knows he's lucky. He saw his friends try out the acting thing before him and they were not successful. Maybe they're crazy talented too but that doesn't mean they'll get the big roles. People often think the role goes to the most talented but it's more a combination of the right time, the right place, and being exactly what they're looking for. R223 Ya, it was funny watching the GQ video. Kit really had to round out Nick on his own. Every time a fan asks Alice a question about her characters it's always 'oh, I don't know. I haven't thought about it.' Totally clueless.

Just reading the stuff about how they enjoy filming, anyone else randomly forget Joe and Bash broke up sometimes? Feels like a fever dream. Kinda feel for Bash, gonna take awhile for him not to be known by fans as the guy who is close to Joe.

R223 Alice is probably a real shit to anyone who questions her about Nick and Charlie, even Joe and Kit.

R224 It's really not pooh-poohing Joe's achievements to acknowledge the way stars aligned to get him into the audition room so that he could do his thing. Hearing about the HS open auditions, HS releasing right before they started the casting process on Wiccan to critical acclaim and overall success, his HS schedule working out with the Agatha schedule. Hell, Joe called himself one of the luckiest people in the world in that EW interview for a reason.

R226 I hope Netflix gets the memo not to use photos of Joe and Bash together in their promo stuff the way they did for all that on the show/irl cutsie comparison posts in S1. Be super fucking awkward.

R226 I was never really invested in them as a couple so I only really remember that they broke up when I'm recalling how crazy it got here when we all started putting it together.

R228 I always wonder how those posts looked to the general audience. Promoting the two leads alongside a minor antagonist has to be kind of unusual, no?

R229 I think they happen a bit if there is a genuine personal relationship between the actors. I just did a big scroll down Netflix UK’s Insta and Shadow and Bone actors get the same sort of treatment (though admittedly don’t look like they hang out as much).

It is wild how much and consistently HS is part of their sm content. It has to be beating out every other show if you average it’s coverage across the year

R163 Anyone else feel the recent pages without Charlie is kind of boring? And Nick often don’t look as cute as in the previous volumes.

R231 yeah its way too many pages without Charlie and the first two colleges were pointless.

R175 I have this jacket. Agree it would’ve looked great on Joe. Too bad he missed that season.

R231 This uni tour shit would be boring with or without Charlie, it’s the kind of thing you need to release in one chunk instead of page by page.

Will removed all of his old Instagram highlights and made a new one with random posts, the only Heartstopper-adjacent post in it is the picture from Bash's birthday where he's with Joe and Kit.

R235 the ultimate picture to use to capture the essence of ‘I haven’t picked a side’. What were his highlights before?

R236 He had a bunch of dedicated highlights (I remember he had one for HS and one for Wasia).

R235 For the drama and in typical DL fashion, because it’s the “Joe’s bodyguards” picture I’ve decided to interpret it as Will having picked Joe’s side.

R238 but it’s Bash’s post - hence the ultimate middle ground.

The second photo of Bash and Joe and their Mum’s in that post is very sweet. I wonder when Bash will purge his profile

I thought the song Will sang on his IG story last night might have been for Joe?

R235 He treasures what the 3 of them have.

R240 really? What made you think that?

Yaz got another feature, she's one of the GQ heroes

[quote]Finney was recruited for Heartstopper straight from college. She had no formal drama training, which she feels helped her maintain a certain authenticity; at the same time, she admits she’s learned a lot about acting since shooting the first series. “I had less experience than other people on the cast. I wanted to do so much more than I did. Being harsh on myself, if I knew what I know now, I would’ve done something different,” she says. “Obviously I’m my harshest critique,” she continues, with a faux French flourish. “But I gave myself credit, you know. I did well for a 17-year-old Black trans girl.” Gao certainly noticed a difference while filming the second series. “I think Yas got more playful with the scenes we did in season two, especially following Tao and Elle’s story,” he writes. “She switched things up more, which aided the scenes and our on-screen chemistry.”

Props to Will for figuring out a nice way to say that she's not so wooden this time around.

Boring since I know we all figured the cast wasn't taking sides, but Tobie liked this.

R240 feel like it would be weird for him to sing a song about finding true love to one friend right after a breakup generally, but especially when the ex is also your friend

R245 Even if they were to take sides, Tobie has always been more closer to Joe.

Anyways, people overestimate Bash's closeness with the cast currently. The same way some overestimate his popularity as an individual overall.

R243 That is the nicest I’ve even read a journo be about Yaz. Most of them really struggle not to make her sound like a dick even while praising her. This is more just acknowledging she’s completely conceited but also how important context is. But I hope she has more than 5 minutes screen time on Doctor Who, because the upsell is crazy

R247 I do think he's pretty well liked by the cast overall. I agree Joe and Tobie have always seemed closer

R248 Having read this piece, I get the strong vibe that most of her other interviewers didn't like her but felt they should whereas this one actually liked her. But there was also a bunch of humanizing stuff in this. That even her mother accepting her didn't happen right away, that she never knew her dad and grew up poor, that she did self critique a bit. But my favourite part is that after multiple interviews semi shading Alice she praises RTD - so her issue is clearly specifically with Alice and her writing which is hilarious and also correct

R259 I thought that too. I mean RTD is absolutely an icon in queer centred storytelling but she’s talking about Doctor Who. Agree that the journo clearly actually liked her - it’s seems like she might have responded well to them as well. It’s probably the best interview of hers by a big margin

She'll drop RTD as soon as she books her next thing.

Because we love baseless speculation on here, what terms do you think Joe and Bash will be on by the time S3 rolls around? Chilly or bad terms, amicable but not friends, actually friends, messy hooking up again, actually trying the full relationship again? I tend to guess 2 or maybe (less likely) 3 but don’t rule out 4

Amicable but not friends. I think if they become friends again it’ll be during the course of filming when they’ll see each other more often, but this is also assuming Bash is in it at all.

Messy hooking up with lots of sad, ‘I love you but it’s too hard’ energy. Unless Bash has implemented joe clone, in which case amicable and flirty

Joe's been glowing lately, so hopefully he continues to enjoy his youth and freedom by indulging in new dick instead of going back to old dick.

R255 oh messy because Joe is hooking up with others as well. Just emotionally more complicated with Bash. I expect Joe to be swimming in dick for the foreseeable future

If Bash is back for s3, absent one of them literally dating someone else, think messy hookup is inevitable. Back in the same environment they got together in, not in the city proper so fewer outlets to go grab other hookups, and surrounded by people who have only ever known them as a pair. Agree with others that due to age, distance, etc another try wouldn’t be very successful longer term but can see them deciding to try because they’re young, feelings are still there, and they’re optimistic. I hope they’re able to get some kind of friendship out of it though, they do seem like genuinely sweet people and they spent a long time being a support network for one another

I know people have floated the idea of Joe and Kit getting together at some point, which I’d be all for, but I think it’s far more likely that Kit would hook up with Will at some point if he becomes single. I can’t think of anyone else in the cast that Joe would have any interest in (sorry Tobie, Bradley etc).

Joes interview is getting bits pilfered by other magazines. Have seen attitude and pink news today

R258 Unless we find out that Will is into men and suddenly breaks up with the girlfriend of seemingly years, still think if Kit were to hook up with anyone from the cast it would be Joe.

Could be nothing more than the guy being a fan, but a director just followed Kit.

R260 But who would top?

R231 I kind of like the road trip. I just hate how Nick is unsure of everything. Alice makes him act like a baby. I think he looks the same.

R262 I have never fucked a bi guy that hasn't been vers, so Kit.

I know it’s a fan girl fantasy and it would be hot but I never see Joe and Kit happening.

Bi guys love taking dick. You know Kit has hooked up with a muscle daddy or two.

R262 Ya the consensus that Kit is a bottom comes from wishful thinking (understandable with his ass) but I always thought he'd be a top.

I’m old and gay and guys like Kit are often vers bottoms. But I’m open to being wrong, his generation is probably doing it differently.

I don’t know about it just being a fan girl fantasy, my lizard brain loves the idea of Kit throwing Joe around. I don’t think it’s unrealistic but I also think if it happens we’ll never find out about it.

R269 It's always fun when an unsuspecting gay man makes a comment about wanting them to fuck on Twitter and the HS fangirls start quote tweeting them into oblivion for being disrespectful or whatever.

R265 Why not? Curious.

I can see Joe and Kit happening if Bash is shown the door indefinitely on Heartstopper. With him not being around to make things awkward, there is a possibility.

No way. I don’t think they want to fuck each other in the first place so maybe I’m not the right person to comment.

They’ll have a cavalcade of men (and women) wanting to hook up with them so even if they were genuinely hot for each other that would be stupid. I’m sure there is a lot of fan fiction about it however.

R273 At the end of the day we don't know them personally or what they want so don't think we can say anything indefinitely.

Do some of you know that co-stars hooking up in the industry isn't something new? It happens all the time. It isn't a fan fiction people make up or something.

People project way too much here, in all directions. It’s copy paste of Twitter/Tumblr fandom.

R276 That’s basically why I’m in the never say never camp, I’ve been on sets where love interests with less chemistry than Joe and Kit have hooked up.

The girls need something to masturbate to instead of getting boyfriends.

i tedn to be a never say never person, so am not ruling out joe and kit hooking up at some point, but do think joe and bash "reuniting" (whether messy hookups or giving it another go) feels more likely

Need the Joe and Kit thing to happen just to piss off the ones who are so strongly against it. This includes the obsessive Joe and Bash shippers and also JoeBashCandies cause I know that loser will be having a meltdown if it happens.

They will all hook up with other people. They come across as way too professional to mess up their working relationships (Joe and Bash being both the exception and example here).

The Joe and Sebastian shippers are annoying but the Joe and Kit shippers are even worse. These guys truly can’t catch a break.

R282 Okay Alice!

R281 The Bash stan meltdown alone would go down as a Top 3 Funniest Day. That crowd is barely hanging on as it is as they're trying to frame Joe as the villain in the break-up.

The hardcore Joe/Kit shippers are intense and a modern equivalent of the Darren Criss/Chris Colfer shippers back in the Glee days. They will obsess over them in decades to come. The Joe/Bash shippers seemed to be a very small group. Most casual fans only ever seemed to know them as “best friends”

Who is trying to frame Joe as a villain?

R286 Respectfully, you may not actually know much about bad the Darren Criss and Chris Colfer shipping crowd was if you think the milquetoast, puritanical Heartstopper fandom is ANYWHERE near how insane they were. The Joe/Kit shippers are the blandest crowd around, not even committing enough to call them anything other than platonic soulmates half the time.

r287 yeah I haven't seen anyone actively saying that about Joe either, aside from idiots (that tiktok person) implying he cheated in the day or two after. that said some accounts that were fans of both have turned into full time bash fan accounts but so long as they're not shitting on joe whatever. i'm sure some of them have bitchy groupchats but so long as its not public, it's whatever

R286 Darren Criss and Chris Colfer are the two actors I vaguely mentioned earlier as not being able to stand each because of how insane the shippers were. No group of Heartstopper fans, be it the Joe & Bash or Joe & Kit group, have ever and likely will ever be as unhinged as the army of fraus that, to this day, think Darren Criss is gay, that his wife is an abusive beard, and that Darren and Chris are secretly married.

I’m also curious in which Sebastian fan has been saying things about Joe. They all seem to love him but are bummed that they’re over as a couple.

R286 Joe and Kit shippers are nothing like those crazies. If someone comes close to being as obsessive and stalkery like them, it's going to be the Joe and Bash shippers. They are the ones stalking family members and stalking anyone associated with them. Although I would say they are pretty mild compared to the Glee shippers.

Joe and Kit shippers are just large in number which understandable but never seen any of them indulging in social media stalking of family members or anything of that sort.

A handful of weirdo fans have already claimed that Joe and Kit are in love. They’ll claim they’re married in a decade, just watch. Just like the weirdo fans that fantasized about Joe and Bash getting married. Nothing new under the sun.

Joe and Kit can't start Heartstopper press soon enough, they've both reached the point where they're having days where they bleed 1k followers in a day on Instagram.

There are obviously a few over the top accounts on Twitter like JoeBashCandies, but I always find it funny how fans that supported Joe and Bash’s relationship are still referred to as shippers. 99% of the people on DL have accepted Joe and Bash’s relationships as a given for over a year. And now everyone accepts that they recently broke up. Does that mean we’re all shippers too?

The only actual shipping I’ve ever seen in the fandom has been Joe and Kit. Because they’re the couple who clearly are not currently and never have been dating, but lots of fans desperately hope they start. Including lots of people on DL.

R295 Shippers to me are people who overinvest in the relationship of strangers to the point where they're treating them like fictional characters, regardless if they're dating or not. Joebashcandies debating Joe and Bash's positions in bed was her essentially writing fan fiction about them.

The Joe and Kit shippers are the tamest shippers I've ever seen. If some of you think they're too much, you haven't been in many fandoms that's for sure.

R295 I can’t speak for every corner of the internet, but I haven’t seen any real discussion on here about Joe and Kit dating. It’s pretty much always been about finding the concept of them fucking hot, I don’t think anyone on here is hoping that they ride off into the sunset, together forever. That’s more the speed of the people who were into Joe and Bash.

R292 The Joe and Kit shippers are really boring. Even on the heels of Joe and Bash breaking up, all they're still doing is whining about Joe and Kit reuniting and doing the puppy interview. They can't even bother to be entertaining, but for Joe and Kit's sake it's better this way.

They exist in droves, mostly on TikTok.

Yes the Joe and Kit shippers are seemingly more intense than the Joe and Sebastian ones (were). Fan girls write intricate fan fiction about them.

[quote]Fan girls write intricate fan fiction about them.

Without knowing one useful thing about anal sex between men.

Both the Joe/Kit shippers and Joe/Bash shippers are mostly older women which isn’t very surprising.

Anyone else noticed in that interview in Brazil when they were asked about working together on something else and Kit gave Joe a quick knowing look after he answered the question. It’s like they’ve got another project together but can’t say.

even the joe and bash people on DL who were really into them definitely seemed hopeful they'd last forever but more in a "they're cute and wholesome and hot, would be nice for the gays to have a cute young longterm relationship to root for". when they broke up, everyone on here seemed to think it was sad for them but understandable given they're so young and were doing long distance. it was on twitter where people seemed insistent that something big must have gone wrong, and seemed to think that two people both potentially feeling hurt and upset was a sign one of them (joe) fucked up and needed to ask forgiveness rather than a pretty normal breakup.

[quote]Yes the Joe and Kit shippers are seemingly more intense than the Joe and Sebastian ones (were). [bold]Fan girls write intricate fan fiction about them.[/bold]

You're describing the Joe and Bash crowd.

R304 Which video was that again?

R303 Older single women have the time. They’re the ones always posting gifs and clips, both here and on Twitter/Tumblr.

R306 Isn’t there more fiction about Joe and Kit?

R261

Interesting, he looks pretty indie if imdb is anything to go by unless im missing something. Does he have anything upcoming?

That brand new Bash stan we picked up that keeps calling him Sebastian sure seems to think they know a lot about who does and doesn't post here.

Me? I don’t like the nickname ‘Bash’ because it’s ugly. I’ve followed these threads for months.

R309 Someone on here pulled up the fanfiction websites and there were only about 3 or 4 Joe/Kit stories, and only slightly more Joe/Bash ones. The reality is that isn’t a ton of bonafide real person shipping going on in the Heartstopper fandom, especially given how active it is.

R312 Bash is a better nickname than Seb.

R310 Nothing that I've seen, but it's interesting that he's also repped by WME.

R313 I do wonder who actually reads those. And for what.

R316 For their literary value.

R314 Seb is such a country club douchebag nickname.

R309 There's mostly fic about Kit with a self insert woman. There is barely of the actual cast. But we've been over this before.

Is there anything in any of these threads that we have NOT been over before?

R318 Seb is the worst nickname.

Kit seeming to find the Joe/Kit stuff funny (favouriting that video comparing him and Joe to him and Maia) makes me think there's very little there, sadly. But whether it's Bash, Kit, or someone else I just want someone with a very strong sense of how lucky he is to be absolutely railing Joe.

R322 We do not know why he bookmarked it. This is just an assumption.

The amount of projection that goes on in this thread is sky high.

R323 This exactly. Everything said in these threads is projection. And anyone reading these is overly invested in the lives of the cast. We spend so much time labeling other corners of the fandom as the crazy ones. We’re all equally crazy. Myself included. I keep telling myself I need to get a new hobby, and then keep reading DL.

I’d be much happier not knowing any of this, like a normal person. But here we are.

It's pretty easy to accidently bookmark/like something while scrolling on your phone a 12am. I wouldn't look too deeply into it

R320 No. That fucking teaser we're supposedly getting for Tudum can't come soon enough.

People being so strongly against the possibility of Joe and Kit getting together is reminding me of when some used to be so against them being close friends off-screen.

Idk how thinking he finds it funny is more projection than thinking he wants to fuck Joe every which way. You can jerk off to thoughts of them fucking which I can agree would be hot but I can also think they give close friends and unlikely to fuck vibes. Jesus, people on here are fucking annoying about someone not agreeing exactly with them. Someone having a different take than you isn’t any more projection than what you’re doing

R328 I'm just in the camp that it's not a great idea and if you want Kit and Joe to be close for years maybe they shouldn't mess up anything. Friend can def just fuck and not have it mean much but their situation is complicated, so if they really so attracted to each other they can fuck around when the show is over.

And no, it's not the same thing as thinking they aren't friends. One is actually false and one is wildly wishful thinking because you find it hot.

R328 The friend thing was always weird to me, I found their dynamic hilarious from the start.

I'm looking forward to season 2 press for obvious reasons, but I also think that we're gonna see a different (may be subtle, may be obvious) Joe. Based on that interview released the other day, I reckon he's grown a lot as an actor and probably also in confidence, working with all those women on a big show like that, miles from home. Quite a big life shift that I think would change anyone.

R332 Agree. I thought about that too. Even in pictures with fans, he looks more confident and assured. I hope we get some good interviewers and more fun, laid-back interviews. I feel like Yaz will also be very different in interviews. R331 This interview was the first time I thought Kit was queer. Just his cadence and the way he was flirting with Joe.

R331 Sorry, that's the interview I was talking about.

The idea that the trailer will in anyway refocus or give us new things to talk about is hilarious - we talked about the stills for about 25 posts and immediately went back to dick size (or similar)

Lot of self hate going on today. If you’re here why not lean into the nonsense. God knows why I care about the personal lives of these guys (they’re hot, it’s because they’re hot) but it’s enjoyable. And there are definitely Twitter frau that come here (seems to be more at the moment - presumably thread still open) and say the stupidest shit. Generally it’s fun to chat shit with gay men about hot guys I’m interested in. Be kind to yourselves lads. Thirst is fun

I barely care about the show so I doubt I'll ever add to any discussion about it. Basically just want to see Joe and Kit make out a bit

R336 absolutely. Just want to see Joe get tossed along by a big guy a bit… where’s the harm

I’ll for sure talk more about any footage of Kit and Joe on the show over stills.

Yeah, I think there's a huge difference between even a few seconds of actual footage vs stills. Especially as we only got one Nick and Charlie still (cute as it was).

R339 maybe controversial but rate that one at all - didn’t like any of them.

My point really was if you don’t enjoy the meandering circular speculation on the thread no need to comment on it. Can’t really see how it’s any better than those bitter old DL bitches who come on the thread to tell us to fuck off. Come back when something happens - No need to spoil the fun by comparing us to glee fans (Jesus Christ - how old am I supposed to be?). Though, OP I respect your view. A 24 hour ban only to see people talking about Kit and Joe fucking again must be frustrating

Unless Kit is a total dick, he won’t touch Joe with a barge pole. He is clearly good mates with Bash, they’ve been pictured hanging on multiple times. If he’s any kinda mate (& I get the impression Kits a good guy), you do not touch your mates exes. Unless you are keen not to be friends anymore! Much further down the line, if all parties have moved on & are happy, then maybe. But right now & for a good while, absolutely not. Unless Kit is in fact a dick, who knows!

I also think people underestimate the amount of dick Joe can get that's uncomplicated. Kit is hot, but probably not on his radar

R340 Twas tough to watch

Some of you sound so naive at times. It's like you don't know how the industry works. Is Heartstopper the first fandom that y'all have been part of?

People like to fuck and co-actors most of the times. You can read up on it. Cause they have to spend months at time with each other making out. So it's not an absurd theory of sorts to say that Joe and Kit could end up hooking up.

People really overestimate Bash's closeness with the cast members. From the looks of it, he hasn't hung out with them in months (not including the play here as that was a pre-planned thing). And once Bash gets booted out from Heartstopper, no one's going to sit there clutching their friendship bracelets over hurting his feelings.

R344 He's good friends with Kit. Not sure why people deny that or blow it off. If you have to pretend they aren't close to act like he's going to get fired, it's mostly wishful thinking on your part.

Can we jsut go at least a month with just wishing Joe gets to fuck around without Joe and Kit shippers making Joe's new found singleness about Kit

How did this discussion start up again? If you don't care about the idea of Joe and Kit fucking, that's fine, but you don't need to cry about it.

It goes both ways. If you care about Joe and Kit fucking and want to constantly talk about it you are gonna have to deal with Kit being friends with Bash and people bringing it up. Sorry he doesn't cease to existence now that he's broken up with Joe.

That's why I think they can fuck after HS is over when nobody cares anymore about the relationship they started when they were teenagers.

R343 I think you have hit the nail there… most of us have never been part of fandoms (it’s embarrassing to be into one now tbh, which i tge appeal of DL’s version of a fandom). I actually barely know anything about other fandoms. I initially liked the show, the boys got older and hot, the flaws in the show became more apparent (and the importance of Kit and Joe), I found a forum of gay men who wanted to talk about it and here we are. The conversations about fanfic make zero sense to me - isn’t that what straight women write and masturbate to?

Re Kit and Joe. Personally I think they’d both have to be kind of dicks to fuck when Bash is still part of their lives. But isn’t your early 20s where you are kind of a dick? I see it but respect those that don’t as long as we don’t get into the Joe thinks Kit is hot but Kit doesn’t think Joe is. They both have eyes

That’s pretty much the bright side here, at least people aren’t acting like either of them aren’t hot anymore.

R349 those of us who like a classic twink and are disinterested in infantilising Joe or the others have certainly found a safe haven. Someone said awhile ago about a photo of a more muscular guy people thought might be Joe that they “sadly doubted” he had been working out… wrong forum, Love.

Anyone who thinks Joe should work out should get banned by Muriel forever. At least we can agree on that.

TBH the main appeal of DL to me is when joe posts a hot pic or looks hot in a fan photo I can come here to see people call him hot instead of calling him a delicate babygirl squish. Or, as I saw some call his bath video, w “jumpscare”

R348 joe finding kit hot but not Vice versa is the dumbest theory I’ve seen on DL and that’s saying something. As you say they have eyes. And besides if the thinking was “Joe isn’t kits type at all” I guess one thing but I’ve seen one person both insist kit has no attraction to Joe and then also say kit clearly finds Conan grey hot. If he can see Conan’s appeal trust me he hasn’t missed joes

Re kit and joe, the possibility I see is if bash gets into another relationship first. Obviously Joe rebounded fast but equally obviously Nick is nothing serious. I have a feeling Bash will be the first to get into another relationship, probably with another dark curly haired twink he’ll give his clothes to and introduce to his family. At that point I’m not dead set on “Joe and kit will fuck” but it more firmly enters possible territory for me. Idt either would hook up while bash is still single, just my opinion, but if he was in another relationship he’d be a bit of a dick to be totally outraged about it

R348 Sadly, the ship sailed the minute Joe and Bash were a thing. It was impossible to even suggest that Kit and Joe were friends or could potentially hook up. People on Tiktok/Twitter would get yelled at just for saying innocent things like 'Joe and Kit look cute together.' I've seen it happen here too, for months. Anytime someone would talk about the reason why the show exists, therefore this thread exists (Joe and Kit's chemistry) they would get shunned. Anyway, I agree these threads are starting to get repetitive. I might start the next one to have a forced break.

I'm gonna laugh if Bash just replaces Joe and does the exact same thing with him. I'm assuming he'll be super private though so we won't really know since the guy probably won't be famous.

R355 I really do not remember that ever happening since both twitter and tiktok are JoeKit besties central.

R356 Exactly, 'Besties' but if someone says that they're attracted to each other or wanna fuck each other, forget it.

R356 The Heartstopper fans are extremely puritanical, so you get shouted down for suggesting anything ranging from the cast members being sexually attractive human beings to the idea that any of them are anything other than friends (yes, including Joe and Bash).

R356 tbf everyone has a playbook they reuse a bit, I just think bash’s is going to be more obvious and funny because his type is so so specific. We have always been very certain when he’s had a thirst follow versus Joe or kit for instance: all we can really say is hairy for Joe and slimmer for kit and the latter is more a guess

R357 You can't say that shit anywhere because muh privacy and not assuming shit, though tiktok is pretty open about thinking Joe and Kit are fucking while saying Joe and Bash were just friends. Idk I feel everyone thinks their side is persecuted or they can't speak. Just talk and if people don't like it, who gives a fuck.

Bash is probably about to move on to his next Joe clone in the coming months, so his supposed feelings won't be that hurt if Joe and Kit do fuck around.

If he moves on to a new Joe in a matter of months then I'll give it my blessing even if I argued waiting until the show is over. I'm sure their dicks care a lot about my thoughts on the matter though.

I’m actually very curious to see who bash dates next. Weirdly I can see bash ending up dating an influencer, not really because of anything about his personality but more because his life outside acting is very bougie and comfortable and I feel like he’ll either date someone in the industry or someone who has a similar background or life outside it. Him following that Charlie guy makes sense for that for instance

R363 One thing we know for sure though is that he won't date someone with a possibility to overtake him career wise.

R355 the timeouts are enjoyable to take a break from the top of the thread when it is open ngl. Though 24 hours is a chore. Maybe a break will help you enjoy the repetition again? It’s been like that from the beginning in my view, but more people are honest about who they thirst about.

I do wish the gay Kit fans felt a bit more loved - i fucking love reading their thoughts on him getting railed, even as a Joe/twink fan. But people get in their feels about any kind of slight towards either - Joe fans more so (I’ve been guilty) because it’s nice to be in a forum where he is appreciated. I think the queer Kit fans are here but not keen to be misinterpreted. Maybe some of the reason Kit / Joe fucking gets rehashed a lot at the moment (+ break up)

Re chemistry - I think it can be completely unrelated to attraction. I’m one of the guys who couldn’t get through Bridgerton at all but from what I’ve seen and heard Jonathan Bailey had great chemistry with his female costar. I think the difference with Kit and Joe is that it spills over into their personal interactions that we see. Either they are incredibly good at fan service or they genuinely have a flirty element to their relationship

R364 I honestly don’t think he was jealous of Joe though I respect your opinion. I do think he’s really ambitious and wanting to prioritize his career might have contributed to the breakup

R365 as someone who feels pretty neutral on a Joe kit hookup potential I do agree it’s the off set stuff that is more interesting to me. Even costars who are really good friends off set, like timothee and zendaya, don’t give me the same vibes really. Or they go so far over the top it’s clearly put on to an extent, like Oscar Isaac and Jessica chastain did. But Joe and kit are extremely casually touchy, affectionate, and bantery

R365 The idea of Joe and Kit fucking is almost a kind of neutral ground for both the Kit and Joe stans because it acknowledges that they're both hot and should fuck other hot people.

Speaking of hot, a picture of Kit at the JW Anderson event in NYC last month.

As a Joe fan I just want him to have a fun summer. Though I am not keen on OF Nick and think he could do better and hope he went home to go hit up some London clubs.

R369 he’s hot. He squints in so many photos it’s funny. That’s the collab logo we’ve only seen on him right? Leaning heavily towards him doing the campaign for it

Is anyone here going to Tobie’s play?

new fan art poster for Coven of Chaos. Featuring Joe.

R371 Collab logo is a little bit different, it merges the APC logo into the JW one.

R374 oh ok thanks, I see

R373 that’s a really good poster. Kind of crazy still that that’s joes role

Bash with friends recently.

Not into the Wiccan fan art (or fan art at all tbh - can barely stand Alice’s shit). Why do they muscle up Joe? Give me a slight, twink Wiccan in something very very tight

R377 nice dick print in the first pic. Has a breakup, realises he needs to start advertising his assets

Not to sound too frau ish but while I’m glad for bash he’s had family and friends around for the breakup (and it seems from all appearances, fan sightings and so on he’s handling it well) I’m even more relieved for Joe that he’s got a rebound and Nick seems decent enough. Because being solo and really down about it in the US working crazy hours would fucking suck

R369 Cute. I think Kit will look so hot in a couple of years when the baby fat disappears.

R377 classic post-break-up, ‘look how great everything is’ content. Good for him

R381 shady. Also, I think if the gym photos proved one thing - it’s Kit doesn’t have an ounce of baby fat on him

R381 He already lost the baby fat and honestly, a fuller face will serve him better when it comes to aging.

R377 Curious if that update account was going to continue. It's not really a shipper account, but I guess just separate updates forever.

That update account always tried to be very careful about not making assumptions regarding their relationship or publicly shipping. But the account was obviously started when the majority of the pictures available for Joe or Bash were pictures of them together. I'm glad they haven't deactivated post break-up, but I am curious how long they'll keep things going. Especially as the overlap in content continues to widen.

R384 I wonder if the account will peter out in time as Joe and Bash's paths split farther and farther or if they'll switch over to being a Bash-only account (the admins both seems to favor Bash over Joe).

I'd wait it out until the end of the year just to see if they start fucking again. Probably won't happen, but I guess you never know. It's a nice account though. And yeah, they are more Bash fans from what I gather.

R386 I think they’ll switch (so to speak) to Bash. Heavily lean his way. Which, as they are het women, makes sense. Joe is for the gays - lucky us

R387 I think chances are high they fuck again, just low that we ever have that confirmed or they officially get back together. It’ll be funny if bashs sister has to awkwardly refollow though

This is going to sound like some hater shit, but they'll probably bleed followers if they drop the Joe angle, I'm pretty sure they're the most popular Bash updates account because of the connection to Joe. Daily Joe Locke has 17.9k followers, for comparison.

Joe need not worry even if some of these annoying Joe and Bash shippers end up switching. Once Agatha comes out, he'll have a new set of people rooting for him and becoming his fans.

The shippers who switch can continue talking about Bash's future projects. If there are any to speak of.

R389 She could have just waited it out. I do think they are well and truly over so don't htink it matters, but still. I suspect Bash might archive his Joe pics when he's done working.

R391 Why you gotta be so shady to Bash though

R392 Never really liked him to be honest.

R391 You don't even need to factor Marvel into it, every single Joe/Bash shipper could switch on Joe and it likely wouldn't register at all. Majority of the Heartstopper fans (diehard and casual) have always cared about Joe more. Same with the general audience, media, and so on. The only substantial media coverage Bash has gotten was over the backlash of the HP game.

Bash is coping a bit of heat here, which I don’t understand. Joe seems unfazed and looks fucking amazing - even as a fan of Joe’s I don’t think Bash is a dick or anything. Relationships fail sometimes, particularly when you’re young.

I think if you’re looking for somewhere to hate on any of the cast this isn’t the forum.

Who cares if you don’t like Bash, you’re constantly being negative and filling up this thread with how much you dislike him. It would be equally as annoying if it was about Kit or Joe.

Yeah neither bash nor joe seems from what we’ve seen to have been a dick about the breakup. Minus bash’s sister everyone seems good with both, and aside from joe archiving 2 finsta posts and them each archiving a grid post or two they haven’t shown any signs of anything. If bash really fucked him over I think joe would be understandably wiping his finsta clean, mass unfollowing, etc. I liked them together though not overly invested. I have a weird feeling they’ll end up trying again and breaking up again because the issues won’t have changed but could be wrong. Either way even as someone who prefers joe they both seem like great guys

Yeah it’s really bringing the mood down. I don’t understand the purpose of it, just ignore him if he bothers you so much.

They all seem like great guys. Constantly being a dick to Bash here seems childish.

R397 Is bash is in S3 and unless they are both dating someone else I could see them getting back together, just all those feelings again together in the place they met. Who among us has not broke up, fucked some random whores for awhile and then got back together with our ex and then broke up again. Maybe it's just me.

They are all great guys. I know DL is cunty in general though so guess it can't be helped.

R400 yeah I’m not exactly rooting for it (rooting for them both to have good sex and enjoy their lives in whatever capacity, together, casually fucking others, in another relationship) but there’s a reason so many costars on TV shows who date break up in the off season and get back together in the on. Feelings come back, forced closeness, making yourself think whatever the breakup issues are have changed.

But you know this isn’t gay men being cunts, R400. It’s unfortunate that someone feels the need to constantly reply with their bitterness over him, just ignore his ass instead.

Doubt Bash is going to be around the set long enough for that, if at all.

I think he'll do his shit, if he's in it, and leave, but he does have friends in the cast and hopefully by Oct they are fine with each other so everyone can hang out again. The cast all seemed to have a great time there and stick around, even those who know weren't filming all that much. Bash isn't the only one.

Love the bulge.

R405 God bless

I’d be pissed if the vibe went back to being bitter about the members of the cast, like individual threads were. Let the Twitter girls at the top of the threads talk about what’s happening on TikTok and speculate that Will is serenading Joe through his heartbreak, and then the gay men after the thread closes talk about how hot they are. No need to shit on anyone.

If he’s in s3 I presume they’re adding some of the solitaire or him menacing Charlie shit. And it’s hard for me to imagine they’ll both be down to play those fairly intense scenes without clearing the air at a minimum. They’re both very professional clearly (both working a lot right after a breakup pretty seamlessly) and I imagine are courteous enough of mutual friends to try not to make set awkward. I also think they’ll probably see one another at PFW or the premiere so the initial first meetup post breakup will be out of the way

R394 Yeah, the fandom overestimate how famous he is. Joe and Kit are legitimately famous but even Yaz and to a lesser degree, Will, are more known to the wider, general public than Bash.

Bash’s manhood in bicycle shorts on stage was one for the books, I’ll tell you that.

R410 bashs dick and joes ass is the actual breakup worth mourning

Ignoring the comparison, Joe has such a dynamic appealing face. Obviously he’s hot but his expressiveness is so cute

R409 Sure but he still has among the most followers in the cast and gets stopped every now and then when he’s out and about. He’s working and minding his own business. Heartstopper fans like him or are neutral to him.

Who are the women in those pictures with Bash?

R411 definitely. I realise we all agree that Joe can do better than OF Nick. But the advantage of playing with OF models is that he knows that many of them will stack up against the ex’s dick

Maybe Joe isn’t a size queen and just stumbled into his first being a guy with a huge dick. Even average or a little above might be fine with him if they know how to use it and do other things (eat ass and suck dick well). The good thing is Joe is so hot and in demand that even if he is a size queen he’ll have 0 issue getting his dream penis in bed soon

'Perhaps confidence is the wrong word. Perhaps a better word is bravery. As we say our goodbyes, I’m left to ponder on an anecdote Finney had told me at the roller rink. She was on holiday with some friends just after filming had wrapped on Heartstopper. Finney had never learned how to swim, but she wanted to teach herself, so late one night on a yacht off the coast of Cyprus, she leapt into the sea.

Suffice to say, so inexperienced was Finney in any body of water – let alone the open sea – she struggled; in another situation, she might have drowned. But her friends were with her in the water and came to help, lifting her head above the froth. After a moment, she gained control, and was able to take in her surroundings, floating on the water. It was pitch black, she said, save for the brightness of the moon, which shimmered on the glassy surface below.

“I nearly died that night,” Finney told me. “But I realised your body has balance, and you’ve just got to breathe.”

Yasmin may be many things but she's an incredible role model for young trans and lgbt+ kids. I have to say, I'm jealous of all her traveling stories. Hoping she can have some fun with Joe this summer and we get to see them hang out.

Apologies if someone already posted this but the Netflix ramp up on HS content makes Tudum teaser or clip pretty much a done deal imo.

Unrelated but do we have any real idea where Joe is?

R418 meant to post this

If only Joe could be a good samaritan and share Sebastian’s dick pics.

R420 I’m so curious. I’d pay him for them.

He should. I've seen enough of OF Nick's dick to last a lifetime and it's not the dick I want to see

I don’t disagree re bash’s pics but what truly haunts me are the world class nudes I know joe takes we will never see. That waist and chest and perfect ass… bashs snapchat must have been like a gallery of twink perfection

Corinna, Leila, Kizzy and Bradley went to see Tobie's play. I think the person that once said the cast was separated in two (the main cast vs Bradley and co) was right. I think Will, Kit and Tobie are really the closest to Bash. I don't think Bash is that close to the rest of the cast.

Going to see Bash is quite a long trip, so I can see why those who aren't too close didn't see it.

I expect Joe to pop up at Tobie's play

Does anyone know around what time Joe liked Yaz’s post? I was trying to figure out if gave any indication of where he was, because it took him awhile

R423 Would love to see Joe's dick as well. Would guess that most of the Heartstopper lads have been wanking on Snapchat this year given they've all been in long distance relationships.

Holy fuck I can’t read 300 post. What happened in the last 36 hours?

R428 Truly nothing. We did get a nice dick print a few hours ago. Hopefully the rest of the lads will follow.

R428 nothing. Thirsting, a poster hates Bash, will Kit and Joe fuck? Usual bullshit but we’ve picked up more posters at a guess. Though are the lesbian fans and Joe pics in this thread? They’re worth a look - he looks fucking hot

R426 I looked at her post about an hour or 2 and he hadn’t liked it yet, so I would guess still in Atlanta.

Yeah the bulge photo is the highlight. Other than that it’s just people being annoying or talking shit as usual. Boredom is settling in.

Probably still Atlanta or maybe just not used to UK time yet. It's not that terribly late there. Though OF Nick hasn't done any collabs in days and keep retweeting his old shit over and over again. Not that fucking Joe stopped him before, but I'd make use of my time if he were leaving soon probably never to return

R432 you don’t have to be part of the conversation if it’s boring. At this point I’m assuming that thread is closed are we’re all paying our whatever fee in your country. If people want to talk gossipy repetitive shit then that’s their Muriel Given right

R428 There was a new Kit picture from his time in NY.

R433 OF Nick was active on Instagram an hour ago, so they've could be taking a break from fucking.

R435 He's been active today on twitter too, when he was gone for a couple days and he's usually always there. If I were Joe and I originally planned to go quickly home to my boyfriend and now he's my ex I'd spend the week fucking a random too. So not too surprised he's staying there for a bit if he is.

R435 I would let him throw me around.

R437 OF Nick or Kit?

R438 Kit. I find him so attractive. OF Nick does nothing for me. Joe can do better.

R439 Same. OF Nick does nothing for me. Joe can totally get better. Kit on the other hand I’d suck dry. I doubt they’ll fuck but the thought of Joe and Kit together is quite the sight.

Maybe Joe is spending time hanging out with some of his new castmates from Agatha. Now that filming is over, he must have gotten some well deserved time to relax and hang out.

I guess it's possible, though doubt all the middle aged women are going to stick around Atlanta to hang with a teenager. I'm sure most were ready to get out there.

While they are all legends I really hope that if Joe’s still in Atlanta he’s not hanging out with middle aged women. I hope it’s because he’s hanging out and getting railed by ATL boys before he heads back to the wholesome IOM home of Mama Locke.

Apparently there is a desperate top shortage in ATL.

R444 where isn’t there? I’ve never felt more popular in my life

R444 true but then again look at Joe. If there is even one hot top in that city into twinks, and I am sure there are many more than that, he will have no issue getting laid

R444 lol I just saw where you got that info. OF Nick, keeping us abreast of the important matters

I get why Kit gravitated towards JW Anderson/Loewe now.

Not to make this an OF Nick thread but he just posted he’s in Chicago. Obviously I think he and Joe are extremely casual/just fuckbuddies but would be nice if Joe got to see more of the US

R449 okay, I’d just about buy that they were in NYC together even while OF Nick was working the whole time. The idea that Joe would go to another city with him while he spends all his time filming collabs seems pretty unlikely… I say this, and watch Joe post a photo of some Chicago landmark in five minutes

I’ll laugh if he posts a picture of the bean on Monday.

R450 I would guess IF Joe was there it would be more like the last time, an “I’m going and you can join/we can overlap” and then if Joe wanted to see Chicago he could. But agree unlikely

Someone said on Twitter that Agatha wasn't done filming and they had their wrap party in advance. It would make sense since Joe still had black nail polish on his last fan pictures. They said filming is supposed to finish end of June.

R453 Jesus, Joe really is in Marvel jail

Would also explain his going to bashs play when he did, if even pre breakup he knew he wouldn’t be back. But Jesus this filming is long

He did say at the TS concert that he won’t see Kit for a few months.

They really recorded videos for every holiday.

They have more of them coming.

R453 How reliable is the source? I'd be surprised if it's that long - didn't someone from the crew post a story with something like 'what a journey it's been!' Making it sound pretty finished.

Filming is never ending. Can see why they might have gotten into a fight about it, not like it could change but must have been rough to wait around seven months and then right into HS promotion.

Not sure OF Nick would flat out say he's in Chicago if Joe went with him. Guessing not since he was more vague about NY until he was home and posted pics. Though guess we'll see on Sunday if he ends up going later or if a fan sees him.

We’ll also see if Joe pops up at Paris Fashion week or Kathryn is spotted somewhere. If he doesn’t or she isn’t spotted then still filming. But Jesus a never ending schedule. Explains the timing a bit better too - one thing to delay a breakup 3-4 weeks but another to delay ~2 months if you’re not feeling it anymore

R462 Those are from yesterday too. But she has been promotion the whole time.

If he was back in IOM for over a day guessing he would see Lucy and she’d post a pic, so until that happens assuming he’s in America. But packing up a few months worth of life takes a few days anyway

R333 Pretty telling that even in the press videos with all of the couples paired up it's very blatant that Kit and Joe have the most chemistry. I'm interested to see how Yaz and Will do on the show once they have to start playing a couple.

R424 Idk if I'm in the minority on this, but I usually consider Cori and Kizzy as part of the main cast. I think it's mostly Cori that gravitates towards the secondary cast, Kizzy seems close to Cori but not really to people like Leila and Bradley, or at least I haven't gotten that vibe.

R459 I looked at his Stories a couple of days later and he was already working on something else in California, so he's definitely done. I'd be surprised if Agatha is still shooting.

R460 OF Nick is really discrete. He posted the Vessel picture a day before Joe posted his dump. His hoodie pictures are from before Joe was wearing it. Everything linking them together has been on Joe's end.

Even the things Joe did are really discrete. A small bit of someone’s head and wearing a nondescript hoodie he probably didn’t even realise people would notice

R465 Don't think OF Nick wants to limit his ability to make money by being tied to anyone.

R466 I disagree a bit. I'm going with he knew some people would notice, probably certain people in particular. This fandom is not normal too and he knows that.

The word is discreet.

R468 a spelling lesson on DL wasn’t expected today but thx

R467 we can agree to disagree. I really don’t think he thought people would put together the hoodie thing. The part of his head, maybe. But I don’t think it was at all about the public seeing, more a thing for people who know both him and bash that he’s doing fine

R468 I meant discrete, it's not to his advantage to be tied to Joe or anyone else given his line of work. Part of the fantasy. Conveniently, he also seems to be discreet.

Hoodie thing agree, but the building thing to me was obvious. The sister unfollow was right after so I'm kinda biased in thinking those stories obviously made some people they know pissy. Guess we'll never know. Anyway, I hope he's not following around OF dick when there is a lot men out there, even if he wants to see Chicago.

I don't think Joe is totally naive and he must have figured there was a chance people would put two and two together with that building picture. Followed Nick on his public account, Nick was already a notable follow because he's the only non-industry person he follows, he knew people monitor who he follows, especially on the heels of the whole thing with Taylor Swift's dancer.

R472 He didn't do anything wrong since he was single, but yeah not sure why people deny and act like he couldn't have possibly assumed people would figure it out. The whole HS cast knows how fans are and like you said, he just went through people making a big deal about who he follows.

Anyway, not a big deal either way. Whatever he wanted to accomplish with that story I'm sure he did and got some nice dick too.

R471 tbh I am also biased probably because I think there’s nothing wrong with Joe posting a bit of the new guy he’s fucking (unless he cheated or something obviously which seems wildly unlikely) and would’ve liked to think someone who’s known him for close to two years in their 30s wasn’t petty enough to unfollow over it, and the timing just happened to be “post breakup not in my life anymore”. I get being loyal to her brother isn’t weird and she’s not s public figure but I’m a bit ~ about a 33 year old woman being to our view the pettiest in all this

Have to give it Joe's family and friends circle for being mature through it all and for not being petty.

R474 There's nothing petty about unfollowing someone. If she'd blocked him, I would agree. Again, we don't know what happened and I doubt Joe did something severely wrong but if somehow his ig story hurt Bash and it got back to her, it makes sense she would unfollow. Joe isn't home. If he was back home and they heard the details in person, maybe they would unfollow Bash too.

There's nothing wrong with Joe posting whoever he's fucking or whatever the situation is there, he stopped owing Bash anything the moment the relationship ended. And Bash's started following new twinks, so the whole thing is a moot point.

Unrelated, but I ended up going down a Twitter rabbit hole and took a look at joebashcandies's likes, she liked a tweet calling the pollution over New York manufactured weather to "further the climate change scam narrative," so she's stupid on top of being crazy. I can't wait for her to lose all interest in Joe and fuck off.

I don’t think she was being petty or did anything wrong. She could’ve waited a bit but she only acted like a protective big sister at the end of the day.

Joe's family and friends have always been quiet, so not surprised.

R476 I'm assuming Lucy knows the details and she hasn't unfollowed Bash on either account

They are just more mature than the 30 something woman. She can do what she wants though. It's over anyway and they are free to fuck and post what they want.

Yeah to get clear she has the right to unfollow him and I don’t think she’s the worlds biggest bitch or whatever. I just think that unless something went down we don’t know about which again seems unlikely as she’s the only unfollow, it’s a bit immature and petty. And honestly remembering my own late teens and early 20s it’s a bad call because the chances they hook up or try the relationship again or at least try to be friends mean her potentially seeing him again would now be way more awkward because she wouldn’t just hit the mute button

R477 Just block that woman on twitter.

She doesn’t live in London, right? I doubt she’ll see him again (but I also doubt they’ll get back together).

R482 I have no clue about them specifically, just speaking in the general sense of teen/early 20s being the time you break up and get back together, have hurt feelings about things and are more sensitive post breakup, things like that that would make me stay the fuck out of it at her age, even if one was a sibling, unless something awful happened. And if Joe did something really bad which I doubt he would’ve lost a bunch more followers imo. anyway I recognize I’m being irrational, I think it’s a combo of her age and her knowing the HS fandom is full of dicks (I’m sure she’s seen the shit bash has gotten) and choosing to unfollow rather than mute for a while first, while Joe got shit over it

She doesn't live in London. I'm assuming she wasn't all that close to him to begin with.

R484 He went to her wedding and he was close to Bash's family. Something definitely happened for her to unfollow that fast.

R485 I do legitimately think it was just Nick and Bash’s reaction to that. And I can’t blame either Joe or bash for having hurt feelings and sensitivity post breakup. Whatever went down they obviously cared a lot about one another for two years and are young and this is probably their first real “heartbreak”. But given they still follow one another on their finstas presumably (joes following has only gone down one, just the sister), none of their own individual close friends like Billy, nell, Lucy have unfollowed, they’re both keeping it together in public, and her unfollowing the day after he posted the Nick photo, I think it’s tied to her being pissy he rebounded fast and potentially that said rebound hurt Bash’s feelings more than anything more insidious. Again this is just to our knowledge though

Did Joe remove his like from Billy’s post?

R487 someone said he did, I never saw that he liked it in the first place but maybe. If so that fits into my completely speculative theory based on little other than Bash’s behaviour changing more than Joe’s pre breakup that bash was the one who ended it and maybe mentioned he’d been thinking about it for a while or since the Billy trip/discussed it with Billy. Because otherwise such a random person for Joe to be upset with

R487 Don't know when he did, but yes he did. Probably around the middle of the month. Not sure why Billy caught strays in the breakup though.

Maybe Billy meddled in the break up in some way.

R488 He did like it. I saw it 100% since I was nosey and curious if he was still friendly with him. Can't figure out why, it being an anniversary post, the Japan trip or something else. They still follow each other last I checked.

R491 guessing it has something to do with what others have said, that in retrospect bash going to Japan for over s week with Billy instead of spending that time with Joe was very atypical for him. And that maybe he used that time to think about and reflect on or decide on a breakup

R492 That's honestly why i checked re: the japan trip. He didn't immediately like it but a few days after but Billy posted in April when I guess they were still semi-fine.

Someone link the post

R493 bash was posting about Joe on Twitter in April so yeah I’m guessing they were still ok then. It’s still such a random breakup to me. Not weird because they’re both young, have been apart for a while, and would be for years to come, but unexpected

R494 Here

R495 Yep, just seems random as hell to happen when it did. Not that it would never happen, just a bit weird. Assuming if not a breakup from one side it was just a big fight they didn't get over and with the distance they couldn't really talk. Who knows.

R496 a big fight with a dramatic ending is always hard especially when you have 1-2 more months filming and won’t see one another. They both seem to be handling it ok, they’re prettt strong

R496 Are we sure Joe follows him cuz on my Ig it says he doesn't?

R498 His finsta

R498 think they mean with his finsta. Checked and yeah they still follow one another with that. So again, doubt it was a case of Joe fucking bash (or vice versa) over as I can’t see why their non famous personal friends like Billy or Lucy would keep following if something really bad happened

The kid playing little Tao in S2 did an interview, this is really sweet:

[bold]We understand you will be playing Young Tao in Series 2 of Heartstopper for Netflix, is there anything you can tell us about your experience on set of the show and what are you looking forward to for the release?[/bold]

I was so looking forward to meeting the characters on set. I remember Kit Connor was in the makeup room with us and he asked what my favourite song was and he played on his phone. He made me so welcome and part of the team. I took a lot of photos with all the main characters and I actually look very much like Tao. I can’t wait to see the release and be able to tell people I am part of this series.

R501 that’s extremely cute. All the behind the scenes from minor characters, Brad, this kid, Bel, mention Joe and kit especially as being really nice

R502 I was about to say, it's pretty much always Kit (Rhea, Bradley, R501) or Joe (Bel) that get mentioned as being welcoming. Pretty much fits with Will saying that Kit leads the company of actors when he accepted the Emmy for him, too.

Maybe Bash is the one who cheated. Could be why Joe went back to remove his like from Billy's post after the Japan trip.

Has Billy been linked to men in the past?

Neither Joe or Bash seem like the types to hurt each other like that, but who knows.

Can't see Bash cheating, not as in actually fucking someone else. Maybe just being distant and Billy isn't famous so he hasn't been linked with anyone. He's got a long term girlfriend though.

R501 Wonder if there is going to be a baby Charlie in it too. I think there's a flashback scene in Vol 3 with the two of them.

Nothing dramatic enough has happened on either side to suspect cheating or even being really nasty otherwise. Breakups generally bring up hurt feelings and sometimes hurtful things are said but absent any further proof of something I’d guess that’s the extent of this

R504 There'd have to be some real cognitive dissonance from his side if he cheated and that led to his sister being the first to unfollow. Pretty sure Joe and his friends would have purged him much faster if that was the case.

Does anyone know why Brazilians on Twitter are so miserable? I guess they got bored of calling Joe ugly because there's a viral tweet calling Kit ugly now. It's weird because the most offensive, negative shit is always from there.

R508 Not sure, but that rings true to my experiences in real life. I’m from a South American country and the most obnoxious assholes I’ve dealt with are from Brazil or Argentina.

R507 really not meaning this as a “poor Joe” thing, just actually think part of it is they enjoy getting a rise out of people and HS fans are way more reactive about kit. Which is fucking annoying in its own way because pre his Twitter deletion I think he saw more hate and negativity than he would’ve otherwise because they amplified it.

Highly doubt either bash or Joe cheated. Way too little drama for that to ge the case. More likely just a classic breakup with hurt feelings

The lack of drama actually makes me think this is very mutual and maybe a break more than a breakup. Long distance is always hard, and with both of them working long hours coordinating schedules to arrange for phone calls might have been really difficult. I could easily see them agreeing to take a break while Bash is in his play and Joe is still filming. If Bash suggested the break, and Joe reacted by posting those stories in NYC I could definitely see that upsetting Bash and leading Steph to unfollow. But if they then talked and got more on the same page, it makes sense why nobody else has unfollowed.

Also, I'm sure Bash is in every single picture on Joe's finsta. The fact he only archived two posts makes me wonder if he archived the one's that included Steph.

Not to harp on about Joe’s glow up, but the difference in how he looks in the Netflix pride clips to now is pretty noticeable. I just didn’t think it was possible for him to be any hotter but comparing these to the fan videos from TS, he looks 10x more gorgeous. I think I’d pass out if I met him tbh (lack of blood supply to the brain)

R511 I honestly doubt a break because even if it’s mutual you’re not posting your new hookup on a break you want to get back together from. But I do think it’s likely they try again. Is it a good idea, probably not and unlikely round 2 will last, but the lack of clear enmity, it seeming pretty sudden, and them both trying to rebound makes me think feelings are still there.

I think Joe will get a taste of being single and want to enjoy it, especially since it's the first time he's been single since the show came out and he blew up. He started dating Bash at what, 17?

I guess you could if you were mad the break was suggested. Though I guess we'll never know. Bash isn't even online lately so the fact that he's done nothing doesn't really mean much. I suspect he'll start cleaning up his IG in the upcoming weeks anyway.

I don't think Joe would have pics of bash's sister on his finsta though.

This is pretty cute. For once, Nick looks good.

R516 Need Joe to try to pick up Kit now

R512 Yeah, Joe looks really good lately. I think it's that Marvel contract. He probably got weekly facials and a good skincare routine. His skin's glowing.

R516 Kit and Joe have a new set of poses to pick from to recreate. Kind of want them to try the bottom one so I can laugh.

R518 His teeth are whiter too. Not sure it's some post-break up glow but just Hollywood grooming. No offense to English actors, but the standards are pretty different

R518 I wonder if he’ll keep getting his eyebrows laminated. You can tell they were freshly done here.

TERRIBLE pic of him r521.

I think that's a good pic of him. Sorry for the school flashback though.

His hair is looking extra bouncy too. Must have just gotten everything done.

R520 Definitely Hollywood grooming. No offense but his eyebrows were not groomed at all in the recent bts video Netflix uploaded. Not really his fault the hair and makeup team sucks.

R522 it is awful lighting for sure. I’ve never thought the sunglasses he has on his head there suited him. I hope he upgrades.

R516 my mind went straight to the gutter on the bottom drawing. I’d also like kit and joe to recreate it but not the way Alice intended

R525 Would be a vast improvement to her art.

R524 I don’t have any problems with Joe’s eyebrows being closer together as they often have been but I agree that the HS team did nothing to groom them to be neat at all. They were great at the girl’s make up but did nothing for the boys. Kit was lucky because his skin was pretty perfect at the time and at a guess he probably has to get his eyebrows tinted so they don’t disappear - so they would be getting groomed then

R527 they were awful at the boys grooming minus joes hair. Joe has close to flawless skin and they did nothing to hide his very few pimples. Will, they sparkled concealer onto but did nothing to smooth the blemishes. Bash, they randomly put a crazy and very visible amount of makeup on. All weird.

R527 Even Kit got shited on because his undercut is awful for season 2. They need to hire a new team for season 3.

Very simple grooming, minimal makeup, and not going out of their way to hiding blemishes makes sense to me because at the end of the day they're playing high schoolers and don't need to look overly manicured and Hollywood, but some of the decisions the hair and makeup department made were still a little weird.

Yeah, the team is clearly really popular with the cast, which is important when they spend so much time together, but they just don’t seem great. To be fair, the lighting often wasn’t great either. Joe and kit look great together when lit properly (corridor / arcade) but the lighting so often favoured Kit and made Joe look kind of green. Or, where Joe was lit better, Kit would look washed out. Many advantages to natural lighting but it doesn’t always flatter actors

I'm looking forward to see Joe with Hollywood makeup/grooming/lighting anyway.

R530 I don’t mind them leaving blemishes alone, it was just a weird choice to put concealer on will’s so the colour didn’t stand out but then not smooth them over. It was just a bunch of noticeable bumps that you could tell had makeup. And the colour match for bash was awful

It’s funny Alice continues to insist she’s not modeling the characters after the actors when you can see Nick is more strawberry blonde with a thinner face and Charlie has the joe expressions and stances down

Surprised that the likes of Tom Cruise and Will Smith haven’t had Kit flown over to LA for sex yet….

That other minor actress who joined this season also went to tobies play. Guessing we’ll see Kit, will, and maybe bash show up too. Alice and Patrick as well. Joe probably not but could be wrong.

Anyone from DL planning to go?

R535 Did I miss something?

R537 don’t engage. Clear troll

After the show tonight:

Bash after the play tonight.

[quote]Saw 4000 miles at CFT on Wednesday. After the show I got to meet this absolute gem of a Human Being! He was humble, genuine and a sweetheart. #sebastiancroft @SebastianCroft #4000miles He made time for everyone and loved the drawing I made for him

Not Bash getting all his clothes back.

R541

i wonder if they will keep anything that belonged to the other

Think Joe was still wearing his pants last weekend in NY. He also wore that hat until he killed it, so guess he doesn't have to give it back.

R542 Joe had Bash’s pants on in NYC. I guess they are now Joe’s pants…

I thought for sure that USA shirt was Joe's since it was cheap, but I guess not

Assuming whatever they have of each other's they keep wearing anyway minus their actually meaningful couple jewelry

R542 Who gets all the sex toys though?

Dump them. It's unseemly to use them on others.

And Gandja Monteiro and Isiah Donte Lee have both done IG stories implying filming is done. If Joe's still in the US it's because he's fucking around. Guess it's Chicago watch for now.

R516 Right? Nick been looking slightly off in the comics lately. Are they trying to make him look like Kit? Someone need to tell Alice.

R540 He’s looking really good. Only a few shows left now.

Bash has been looking in a great mood with fans lately. When I saw him Monday he seemed very relaxed and in high spirit.

R534 The coloring of both of them is closer to Kit and Joe now and it looks like Charlie's eyebrows are thicker. Her denial is so funny.

Honestly from the looks of it and fan encounters it seems like both joe and bash are handling the breakup well. Obviously they could be putting on a good face in public but regardless of who ended it if it felt like it had been limping on for a little while, the relief of it having resolution could be nice for both of them. Seems low drama and they’ve both been looking good, hopefully we see them being friends

If joe is still in America and filming is done I need all the gays of Atlanta and I guess Chicago to be on high alert

I really need to stay off peoples ccs because I earlier saw someone positing joe must be vers because OF Nick is vers

I'd be surprised if he wasn't in Chicago or going there. Circumstantial evidence of course.

Wonder what the chances are of him moving to the US for awhile and just going back for HS filming and to see friends and family. 6 months ago I'd say Joe would be the less likely to move to NY or LA, but now not too sure.

R554 honestly seems unlikely. If he did I agree it would be to NYC though. He definitely seems independent and capable of making friends but he knows no one in America basically.London still seems most likely to me

Apart from the fact that he has no real ties to the US, I can't imagine a gay man willingly moving to the US right now.

He still isn't back in the UK from the looks of it so he seems to be enjoying his time in the States. And good for him.

I reckon he'll be heading to the UK soon - it just takes time to pack everything up etc. Hopefully he'll be able to join some of the guys for Tobie's play.

I don't think he's there for packing.

Depends on what is being packed.

Excited for Joe's single era. Now that he's free, we can get to see him hanging out more with the other cast members as an individual and not in a unit like he used to before.

Maybe we will get to see more of him with Tobie, Kit and Yaz hanging out.

Did not disappoint. I realize what I wrote after I wrote it and was waiting for that joke

I wouldn't be too surprised if he didn't show up in the UK until July. Could be totally off base though.

Don’t think it’s a sign that he’s a bad guy or anything to be clear, but was interesting that cast hype girl Leila and hype boy Bradley didn’t show to bash’s play. I know it’s a bit further out but still. Maybe they’ll all go together tomorrow or something though

Do y'all think there is a possibility of Bash making things a bit awkward by inserting himself everywhere once Season 3 starts filming?

Cause if he's there at the cast hangouts, you know for a fact that Joe might back out. Bash doesn't seem like the one to back out as he seems to like the attention that comes along with the Heartstopper brand.

R564 tbf I think it’s not the HS brand so much as Bash is legitimately friends with some of the cast, especially those joe is closest to. Which makes sense given they dated since basically minute 1 of HS. I hope neither feels pressure to back out or attend fewer things because of the other and instead they’re able to be friendly at group hangouts.

R565 Logically speaking, Bash should be the one to back out if it comes down to it. Cause at the end of the day he's just a side character with about five minutes of screentime on the show. Whereas Joe is the main lead and has to work on the same set up until Season 4 most probably.

So Bash can easily back out instead of making things awkward and difficult for Joe in the long run. And it's not like he's not got other friends circle to hang out with.

I don't expect a lot of cast hang outs, but don't think Bash would insert himself there anyway.

The most awkward situation will potentially be the Joe/Bash/Will/Kit close knit group that had formed. It's kinda sad that that's now gone - as people have said before, I'm hoping Joe can slot into the Will/Kit/Tobie hang out group that's formed, because he's close to all of them. I agree that as nice as Bash is, if anyone needs to back out of social situations with the cast to avoid awkwardness, it needs to be him.

I think that this year showed us what is to come in the future. I think Kit/Will/Tobie are the closest. They seem to live close by and I wouldn't be surprised if two of them moved in together. But even so, they are all very busy, especially Kit and somewhat Will. They are traveling most of the year, so they don't have that much time to hang out like before. Joe was always with Bash so it's hard to say what will happen. He has his Marvel contract now, so he'll spend most of his time between the States and the UK for the next couple of years. I think it would make sense for him to rent a place in NYC or LA. I could even see him in San Francisco. Bash has his other friends and he'll probably find another boyfriend to spend all his time with. I don't think he'll spend that much time with the cast. The only thing is when they'll film season 3 and they'll be in those Netflix apartments, that could be awkward.

I don't think Bash needs to back out for the rest of time, but if they can't be in the same place at the same time right now he needs to be the one to bow out. Heartstopper is Joe's thing.

R569 There's no need for Joe to move out of the UK for Marvel. None of the British actors involved in Marvel have done so. It would make even less sense for him to rent a place in NYC or LA because the Marvel movies and TV shows rarely film there. His entire support system is in Europe, most on the IOM, might as well keep a home base there and move around for work. That's what all actors do.

R569 Bash has never been given a Netflix apartment. Kit and Will became close so fast because they were in the same car when driven from set back to Croydon each day. The apartments were only given to people that didn’t live near London (Joe/Yaz/Tobie/etc). I think Bash moved into Joe apartment pretty quickly S1 and definitely stayed with him s2. For s3, Bash can easily live at home in London and only come on set the days he’s filming.

Have a strong feeling that Season 2 will conclude Ben Hope's arc on the show. That way Bash won't be on sets for Season 3 to make things awkward.

Bash has seemed overall less enthusiastic about the show so I wouldn’t be totally surprised if that’s the case.

R573 see, I get the strong feeling he’ll be in S3 but not S4. Charlie’s mental health trials seem to just be starting this season. The end of that arc will probably be s3, when I think Ben will be relevant again. Guessing he’ll have a small s3 role but basically all of it will be with Joe. So hopefully they’re on decent terms

I think he'll just go home too. He's like Cormac level of importance in the show and probably wouldn't have been friends with everyone if he weren't hanging with Joe constantly. Not saying he's not friends, but out of respect he should just bow out of most things and just film and go home if things are weird. I think he'll be in S3 though. He's already chilling with other friends nowadays anyway.

R574 He's been offline since the breakup for the most part it seems. But I'd move on if I were him. He gets shit for talking about Ben anyway. He got all he's going to get out of the show.

R575 For that they don't have to film any new scenes. They can just show the ones that they have already filmed in the first two seasons when Ben was being a jerk in flashbacks.

In the comics it was one conversation where Ben came up with Geoff, so they could film one scene if they don't want to use flashbacks and be done with it.

Ideally they have scrapped scenes from the first season that they can use for flashbacks, otherwise it’s going to be funny when they both look older than they’re supposed to be.

I don’t know why but I can’t shake idea of James McEvoy as Geoff. I know he didn’t actually work with Euros in His Dark Materials (I not think he was in the ep he directed) but since i realised they both worked on that can’t shake the idea he’d be amazing

R580 He could be good - but for me, I keep going back to Ben Whishaw.

R571 Joe said in many interviews that he couldn't wait to get out of his small town. I'm sure he loves his IOM friends but don't see him renting a place there, so far away from everything.

R582 No, he'd most likely make his base London because it's an actual city (that "calls to him") and it's close enough to the IOM that he can pop in and out to see his family. More logical than anywhere in the US.

We'll see how much London calls when he doesn't a boyfriend in London I guess.

R581 I would love Ben but think the person in an earlier thread who said David Tennant had the best guess. Very into trans and gay rights, has a GNC kid, Ty is close to Bash and Rhea, worked with Olivia and Euros, I’ll be annoyed if they cast some unknown tbh, Joe deserves a bit of stunt casting

R584 that’s fair but London is honestly a fantastic city. And I think plays are something he clearly enjoys and would fit well in his off season, and there’s more to be cast in there than in the states. Suppose it depends though, I’m guessing he won’t rush to rent anything until he sees what his schedule looks like after HS S3. If he goes from that to filming either in England or the states or abroad shortly after, he may just not bother having a permanent residence till S4 filming is done.

'I think he likes childish food, I don't know why' Maybe because you see queer men as little cute babies and rainbows. I don't know why but she infuriates me.

R586 Maybe he's staying in the States until HS promo because he has nowhere to go? He can ship his things to his IOM home but maybe he doesn't have time to look for an apartment in London. Before he was living with his ex's family so he never had to 'move out'.

Poor homeless Joe. Any tops in London want to take him in?

I wouldn't doubt he spends some of summer in the US just because he doesn't really want to go back to IOM and doesn't really have any place to be in London anymore. Hope they didn't plan any vacay they had to cancel. He could always rent something part time, but I'd just chill with my OF hookup or find another in the states for awhile.

Don't think he'll decide one way or the other until HS is done filming anyway. It starts again in Oct.

R588 If he's still around in Atlanta he might have other Agatha things he needs to do beyond principal filming (pickups, ADR work, key art photoshoots, and so on).

R587 Any depth that these characters have on the show is due to Kit and Joe’s acting. That’s it.

Also, why are some of you acting like Joe hates the IOM or something? I find it hard to believe he'd rather stick around in the US and fuck around aimlessly than to go back to see his mom, some of best friends, and extended family before he's away from them for months all over again.

He's so into Jennifer Coolidge, love it. Anyway I don't think he'll be in America for months. Guessing he'll be back in IOM soon enough, probably over to PFW after that, and then back home. Keep in mind though he probably originally planned to go from Atlanta to Chichester and then maybe London for a bit, so those plans have changed. And not to be too maudlin because he and Bash both look great and like they're handling it well but it's easier to handle a breakup a place you were never really a couple (Atlanta and Chichester) than in places with a lot of memories. So I get enjoying the last of America for now and then heading back after

R588 given they're rich as fuck I'd hope/guess they'd offer to ship his stuff back to his mum's or hang onto them until s3 instead of him having to come awkwardly pick them up or put them in storage

R592 He doesn't hate it. I don't think some of you understand what it's like to live in a tiny nowhere place. He'll be back soon, but it doesn't seem like there's any great rush to go there if he's still in the US

His best friends aren't even on IOM anymore and doubt they spend the whole summer there either

Lucy's on the IOM.

Yeah, I think he’ll be back on IOM or in London sooner rather than later. Interested in if he’s in Chicago or not right now, though.

idt we'll ever know if bash and joe decide to give it another try and i'm torn on if they will at all, but if they do i think the clearest sign would be joe unfollowing nick and bash maybe unfollowing charlie. still can't get over those names.

R596 Isn't she studying at uni in England?

R599 she's back home for summer i think.

New thread, i could use the time out. hopefully return to new photos of joe looking hot