Heartstopper

Joe's hot era is upon us.

Fuck off and die you tragic cunts.

Bash

Obligatory.

From old thread

[quote] So Joe is an asshole if he broke up with Bash but no one called Bash an asshole for potentially doing the dumping?

Literally not what I said, but ty for being so sensitive you twisted my words. No, Joe would have to be kinda shit to go fly across the world in Bash's clothes just to dump him and then be subtle but not in a way that people won't notice about hooking up and being slutty right after. I think you'd have more dramatic unfollowing and archiving of posts if that is what went down.

Which is why I doubt. And Bash is just working and looks like a hobo now. Neither are assholes. It's like a high school relationship when you go to college, in this case Joe went to the University of the MCU. They end.

Probably one of the more underrated interviews from last season.

Bel was on a podcast and there are some bits and pieces in there. She mentions that people figured out she was in the cast because someone posted a picture of her with the cast from a school shoot (I don't think I ever saw that?), her first scene was a night shoot and she messed up by missing her cue, Joe told her to not stress about it and that she's fine, said she met the whole cast the first day, wishes she had acting lessons beforehand but Euros said she was fine. Also says they explore more sexualities and genders.

(I really hope she enunciates more on the show.)

Some tidbits about Agatha.

Do we think we will get to see Teddy in Coven of Chaos? Don't think Derek is the one playing him though.

R8 This need to showcase every gender and sexuality will bite Alice in the ass. Especially, when they start casting people that can't act. I understand the open casting call for the lead roles but now I feel like they're just trying to squeeze in as much representation as possible. Which is tasteless. It just lacks authenticity.

R8 I’m not expecting Teddy at all in Agatha. If they do a character reveal at all, I would think Speed is more likely to set up Vision Quest.

R8 At best maybe a meeting in the last episode after the end credits, though R10 is correct that a Speed final reveal would be more likely.

Would be a bit fun for Miles to be Speed. Everyone said he looked more like Wiccan than Hulkling. Though MCU fans dumb, so I think the whole Tommy/Billy thing would confuse them on a good day let alone if they weren't the same race.

R8 its not looking likley, but I would die for a heartstopper like meet cute at the very end or a post credit scene.

Did anyone from the cast acknowledge the start of Pride month? I feel like it's been quiet ever since the stills dropped.

R13 Cori did today, I don’t remember if anyone posted yesterday.

R6

[quote]Making Heartstopper was an extraordinarily important thing for me, in terms of my life and my identity. Being surrounded by strong, confident queer people — I can’t tell you how empowering it is.

The way Kit (and Joe) talk about the show’s importance to them is why I think they’d have no problem signing on for a 4th season, schedules permitting.

R15 This was before he came out and before the craziness though. This tweet makes me laugh.

R16 That doesn’t really change what being on the show and being surrounded by the cast did for him, though.

R16 I know it's just one person, but that that guy isn't even a HS fan (and is biphobic as fuck) and is just a random twitter gay. The idea that nobody noticed 1/4th of the guy's head is a bit wild.

R17 He'll never do it, but part of me is curious as to when and how he realized he was bi and what role the show played in his journey more specifically.

R18 There's a post in a HS group with 3k members explaining what's happened, so it's definitely spread a lot. The post is infuriating though, they go on a spiel saying that people shouldn't judge and then proceed to judge the fuck out of Joe by saying he's making crazy decisions because he's so heartbroken and that they hope Joe's thought everything over with a clearer head and shows up at Bash's closing night. Utterly intolerable and unserious people.

R19 Things seem to swing wildly that either Joe did something awful or is acting act depending on who you ask. Either way Joe gets some blame. There was no chance he'd go to Bash's closing night to begin with, even less now that his sister unfollowed Joe. If they actually become friends eventually they'll need to talk to each other privately, not at an after party.

That tiktok video didn't with the spread either.

How is that in every assumption that is being made Bash always comes out looking like a saint according to delusional fans?

Joe made the cardinal mistake of being within 20 feet of a sexually active gay man.

R22 It's also wild how much people picked up on this. We didn't even see Nick's face.

If we were to believe some of the assumptions being made on here and were to truly believe that Joe is 'self sabotaging' after getting dumped by saintly Bash, wouldn't he have posted more stuff on Instagram? As he is self sabotaging you know.

But looking back at his weekend Instagram story posts now, it just seems like a normal thing. The same way he posted multiple stories when he went to the Taylor Swift concert.

This is why I think they won't want to sign on for season 4. To get away from all these Puritan and homophobic fans.

Doubt most or any of this is making it back to Joe. It probably is making it back to Bash and Doulla, though, since they both name search Bash and Doulla follows fans.

R22 That's it. I 100% think Joe can do better (even for a hookup) than Nick, but you gotta remember how wildly homophobic the HS fandom is. They like sanitized cute gays who only hold hands and kiss each other.

R27 It's morbidly funny that the same fans that were saying that the hate Joe and Bash were getting was homophobia (reasoning which they very obviously picked up from here, by the way) have turned around and started perpetuating the same homophobic hate against Joe now that they've convinced themselves that Bash was wronged. Part of me wonders if they would turn on Bash if he explicitly called himself gay and was then seen with a new guy or if Bash is an exception to them.

Now I’m wondering how much of their obsession with Joe and Bash’s relationship was because of how sanitized the whole thing was, the most fans ever got was clothes and jewelry sharing and some lap sitting.

R29 They were basically calling them the real-life Nick and Charlie.

Real nick and Charlie would have broke up too, there's no such thing as a real Nick and Charlie. I like both of them, more biased towards Joe though but you can see why Joe and Bash fans were more Bash fans simply because they gained a lot from the relationship. Not in any way saying he was using Joe or anything, but his fans were happy to see him at events he probably otherwise wouldn't go to if not for Joe.

R30 Yeah, that answers my question.

R30 that line about Nick and Charlie has been run here too. Feel like Bash and Joe were getting a lot of projected romantic fantasies pushed on their relationship.

Pisses me off that Joe is getting so much shit for hanging out with a sex worker. This is DL so judging is what it’s about, but as gay men who have probably accessed OF content it’s a different thing (not great either tbh). But young queer fans pretending to be progressive are fucked for being so judgemental about sex work. Really shows where the limits of their progressiveness is - anything slightly unwholesome. So about 70% of actual queer culture

R33 I'm at the point where I'm feeling bad for Nick now. The way people are dehumanizing him for being a sex worker is ridiculous. Acting like he's not allowed to have friends or hook up with people outside of the scope of his work.

R34 l don’t really think Nick gives a shit tbh. He’s pretty messy on Twitter, and good for him. He’s a young gay man, having fun and making money. No way in hell Joe was a client though - you don’t post some one you’re paying for sex. You post (a fucking tiny view) of your hot, fun, controversial hook-up/friend.

I think when Joe’s doing press and being the giggly cute twink the fans remember, all will be forgiven… until he does something grown up and gay again. They are so myopic that they don’t understand a gay man can be many things at once; adorable and filthy, and bratty and intelligent. It’s actually part of what makes Joe so attractive. And any gay men judging are hypocritical bitches - as if they’re not using OF and Twitter porn.

R35 Oh, I definitely don't think Nick (or Joe for that matter) give a fuck, but they don't deserve to be talked about the way they're being talked about by all of these puritanical cunts regardless.

R34 He's kinda a scammer and probably doesn't care. More people are paying attention to him

R36 honestly, at this point it’s proof of where we’re at in terms of homophobia. Even fans of a gay show can only cope up with the most wholesome, sanitised version of queer sexuality. Reflecting on it all I’m actually shocked Yaz doesn’t get any shit for being so overtly sexual. She talks about dating in a pointedly sexual way, poses very close to naked, openly parties. I guess the children feel they can’t judge her without sounding transphobic (which they would).

I’m with those who hope there isn’t a S4. These young queer people should be able to live authentically. And I am thrilled to discover Joe is a classic 19 yr old gay boy - I’m conflicted because I think gay clubs should be treated as queer spaces, so no sneaky photos taken… but also I really want to see Joe dancing around topless at a day party.

R35 A "client?" He's not an escort, how could Joe be a client? He doesn't have "clients."

R39 no you’re, correct. That’s me applying a pretty bigoted lens. Thanks for picking me up on that

Bringing back this flirty interview. Start at 36:10.

R41 I wanna know what Joe was gonna say at 12:55 when they're talking about working together again, and Joe starts to say 'play like...' I wonder what type of roles he would've suggested they play.

R41 Cracks me up that even the interviewer gets in on it. You can tell they were tired through all of these interviews, but they were some of my favorites.

The Joe/Bash shippers have always been weirdly resentful of Kit, I'm expecting that to go into overdrive when they start doing a new round of press. With them taking it out on Joe.

Interesting that it looks like Kizzy and Cori did some press stuff yesterday (again).

I have only seen most of them love Kit and their friendship.

R44 Could they just be hanging out, maybe? Wouldn't rule out press stuff though.

R43 Same - in most of the in-person and Zoom interviews towards the end of last year, they were noticeably warmer and more flirty with each other. Hopefully a sign of things to come in season 2 press.

R45 Nah, most of the snide commentary on Kit and his sexuality within the fandom is from them.

Odds on Kit or Joe posting for Rhea’s birthday?

They’re pretty hit and miss. I wonder where the story Cori posted with Will and Rhea was taken. Don’t think is anything we’ve seen before… seems like they hang out even more than suspected

R50 A Hugo Boss event they all went to back in October.

R41 Need more of this flirty dynamic during the promo season for Season 2. And after looking at such interviews, you just get it why people want them both to get together.

R43 Still remember when Joe and Bash shippers from this thread used to claim that Joe and Kit are just work friends and that they have no off-screen chemistry. Can see them becoming more bitter now.

R47 I feel like that was from being around each other all the time (they were finishing s2) and they were in sync. I'm curious too about the s2 interviews because from what we know, they haven't seen each other in 6 months. I wonder what the energy between them will look like. They also changed a lot and went through a lot personally.

R51 thanks!

R52 those posters mainly fucked off, though as you say, must be feeling pretty raw.

R53 I think that they are close enough friends the chemistry won’t have dropped. A lot of us go months without seeing close friends and nothing changes when you do get to see them, right. We don’t know how often they message, but even if they don’t, I expect it will be similar

R53 I feel like this might have been an issue if they were dating, but friendships don't really backtrack that quickly. Joe also kept being supportive with the distance (random reposts of Kit, congratulating him on the RTS win, the "thank u love u miss u" birthday story, and then you had both of them apparently watching TikTok videos of each other (Kit bookmarking the good friends/best friends one, Joe commenting on the driving one).

R53 I was wondering the same - I hope they have enough time to properly hang out as friends before the season 2 press starts. I'm sure they're still close but they probably need time to slot back into that dynamic if they haven't hung out for six months.

Rhea and Bash used to hang out a lot

They hung out while in Paris too, right?

R41 I wish they hadn't put a clip over the interview at 39:57 cos we had another cute 'wot?' moment and it seemed like Kit was just smiling affectionately at Joe for no apparent reason. They're very sweet.

Bash posted for Rhea's bday

Bash posted:

Who is that twink Bash just followed?

Bash swiping through pictures of him and Joe to get to the picture of him with Rhea, awkward.

R62

whats the @

R62 Gosh, why do I have a feeling things are going to get very messy?

R62 20 year-old French-American actor with basically no credits but who is twinky, pale, has wavy hair and thick eyebrows. Thirst follow?

He’s hot, and an artist.

Does the guy follow him back? He's a good looking dude.

R68 He does, Bash is the most recent person he followed. Hopefully this gets people off Joe's case.

Rebounds Nick and Charlie. Poetic.

Waiting to see how many label this as self sabotaging or as Bash being messy.

Anyways, Joe's family and friends have been really maintained silence and have shown maturity amongst all this.

The guy Bash followed is American and seems to have a boyfriend, so I don’t think it’s anything more than a thirst follow. I do find it very hilarious that they followed people named Nick and Charlie.

R72 Ohh the girls are fighting? It is hilarious. And the fact that they both look a little bit like Joe and Kit.

R72 Wait, is he dating Sally Fields's son?

R71 Following an artsy gay in NY is not going to move the needle

Looks like the boyfriend is an ex because he isn't following him anymore, but he does follow Bash which is interesting.

I'm sorry but Bash following a hot guy named Charlie after Joe followed a hot guy named Nick is one for the books. I love Sagittarius.

R77 Are astrology anon? Tell us more.

I know he's got 20 twitter haters, but in general the fans who pay attention to him think Bash is such a cute puppy dog they can't see him being petty, mad or showing any emotion other than being nice and of course he's the one people always said was more invested in his relationship with Joe, hence why Joe gets more shit.

[quote]And the fact that they both look a little bit like Joe and Kit.

[quote]I'm sorry but Bash following a hot guy named Charlie after Joe followed a hot guy named Nick is one for the books.

I have many questions that are likely to never get answered.

R78 Wild how Bash got credit for being more invested when Joe was the one blocking fans over him.

Post-show talk tonight:

Bash’s hair is getting so long

I always love his hair and he looks great in orange.

He’s so likeable.

Waiiiiit - I’ve not been on here in ages, did Joe & Bash break up?! How do we know this? Not hugely surprising given their very young ages but they were cute & seemed really close..

R84 we know for sure since Bash's sister unfollowed both Joe's IG accounts. They probably broke up after Joe went to the UK, either when he was there or after a few days later. He started acting different around the middle of the month on IG, followed an OF guy and was in NY with him last weekend (not sure they went together together, but they hung out). Joe also posted a story wearing his hoodie.

it was pretty out of the blue, though in hindsight I guess there were signs

And i feel sorry you missed the drama. It was insane to witness. Joe posted a story with the guy's head in it (his name is Nick) on IG and the day before Nick had posted on twitter going to the same place. Then we figured out Joe had worn Nick's hoodie. I think the next day Bash's sister unfollowed. Think most learn towards Bash breaking up with Joe, but speculation goes back and forth.

better writing than Heartstopper tbh

I was never a mega fan but I did like the show & I did like Joe & Bash together. Didn’t mind a read on these threads back when S1 came out. I popped back to see if we had a date for S2 yet .. alas to hear of a teenage breakup!

I knew they'd break up eventually, but figured it would be after S3 and maybe Agatha release. Seems wild to break up a few weeks before Joe comes home and after he went to see Bash. Gave me whip lash.

S2 comes out in August. Though I'm assuming it won't be that weird since it's not like Joe and Bash ever did any sort of promotion together other than the premier.

Just back from seeing 4000 Miles for the second time. I was surrounded by hard core Bash fan girls who were all chatting before about how he definitely isn't gay and how they can't believe anyone would think he is. I shouldn't have but I asked about Joe and they were just full of "oh, they've just really good friends".... We had the bonus of a Q&A which I hadn't expected and he was really articulate and funny. Definitely doesn't seem down at all. They'd changed out of costumes for the Q&A but he wasn't wearing jewellery but as I was leaving he was surrounded by a sea of admirers (and general adoration) and he'd put it back on. I was really impressed at how kind and indulgent he was with them all. His Mum was there, just watching him looking so bloody proud. He's an amazingly talented actor but he also has to be a pretty decent human being to be able to put up with the fans.

R89 Thanks for the info! Absolute nonsense with the people in denial about Joe and Bash. Was this one of the girls?

Did you meet/get a photo with Bash afterwards?

I was sitting next to the lady in R81 and no, I didn't ask for a photo etc, I just watched the craziness for a couple of minutes, just impressed by how he handled it. It is a guilty pleasure but the play is seriously good and well acted. I really enjoyed seeing it for a second time as there is a lot to take in and I got a lot more out of it second time round.

R90 oh that Twitter account… gotta feel for them. They are extremely active.

R89 glad you had the opportunity to see it again, and those fans are hilarious. Does show that we all live in very particular spaces online, when there are fans who still don’t believe that they were ever together. Assume when you say ‘wearing the jewellery’ you mean the necklace and not the rings (or bracelet?)

I don't do Twitter so wouldn't have recognised them. Didn't spot any rings. He was wearing a couple of bracelets, mostly I spotted the one that looks like it's from Taylor Swift concert, but couldn't swear to it. I didn't get close enough to really see, I was just surprised that he wasn't wearing anything jewellery wise for the Q&A. He really is much thinner up close than I was expecting. He seemed very relaxed, chilled out and on top of his game.

Maybe they end on good terms anyway. His sister being the most dramatic about it is typical. Glad the play is going well and he looks fine.

R92 Not sure people will ever admit they confirmed they were dating by breaking up, but I guess it doesn't matter now. People who wanted them to come out as a couple got their wish in a twisted way too

Thanks for the details R89. Overhearing that conversation must’ve been funny. He looked great tonight.

[quote]I was surrounded by hard core Bash fan girls who were all chatting before about how he definitely isn't gay and how they can't believe anyone would think he is.

If I were him I would just say the words at this point, but this is hilarious.

I don’t think either of them are ever going to necessarily look torn up in front of fans no matter how they feel, especially given that they’re, you know, actors.

I know Joe doesn’t really post for birthday’s that much but I thought Rhea might get one. They did seem quietly pretty close, at least as work friends. I realise sm isn’t real life but her Birthday post for him was cute

It’s 5 if he’s still in Atlanta so he could still post but yeah, probably unlikely at this point.

Kit’s exchange with Taron under Taron’s post is cute.

[quote]I'm really excited there's going to be asexual and aromantic representation with Isaac.

[quote]I just care about Heartstopper so much. It was my passion project when I started and it still is. It's so important to me that it never gets taken and twisted into something which I hate, which is always a danger when authors do book adaptations. But I'm so lucky that I've been able to have so much control. Writing it, being on the set, being really involved in all the different aspects of the show.

[quote]Season two's... aim was to capture the joy and the magic of season one while also feeling that the characters have grown up and matured a little bit, so we're exploring some things that are maybe a little bit darker than season one. The romances are getting a little bit more mature... it's like an elevation, I like to think.

R93 At this rate I suspect the bracelet he's wearing is either the rainbow one he had pre-con (pictured), or (most likely) the Bash one a fan gave him at the con.

I'm nosey as fuck as how it went from Joe going to UK wearing his sweater and giving him a TS bracelet to maybe dramatic breakup. Sadly we will never know.

No picture, but Kit was seen in his natural habitat (Tesco) again.

R100 I'm really starting to dread August 3 based on the interviews that Alice has done so and her clear inability to write believable fleshed-out male characters. I hope I'm wrong and it's watchable.

I can't wait for promo with Joe and Kit, though. Thank God Alice can't ruin them. Here's hoping we get a bigger promo push now that Netflix knows the show is a hit.

R103 I wonder if he’s moved out of his patents’ house yet. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him living with Will (and even Tobie) - do we definitely know that Will still lives with his parents?

R102 eh, probably brewing for awhile. Retrospectively, pretty impressive they lasted the distance so long. It’s a bit sad for them that they (or whichever) couldn’t find enough left in how they felt about each other to keep it together now Joe will be back soon. Long term probably the best outcome for both though. 19 and 21 are great ages to be single gay men having fun in the community for the first time. Some of the most memorable of my life

R104 Alice is an asexual and aromantic person, that somehow doesn’t need to consult anyone to write an authentic gay relationship. She’s now the face of queer literacy. Her obsession with writing in more ace representation in the show is strange too. Why not write another book or work on adapting her ace book? She’s riding on the popularity of Nick and Charlie but she can’t even write them as anything but sexless teenagers.

The only thing that’s kept me from throwing in the towel (apart from Joe and Kit’s chemistry) is that, at least for the show, there are gay men around her that have a say (Euros, Patrick).

Kizzy and Tobie just went live on Instagram for a few seconds, but it was from Tobie’s private account (dobietonovan). A mistake, I’m guessing? Nothing was really said.

R105 I see them living together as well. Particularly with Tobie. Not some kind of fanfic situation. They’re just very close at exactly the age that you move in with mates, and they’re seen around together a bit. Not sure Will does live at home actually. Seems like some of his recent stories could easily be the inside of a more basic flat.

The second photo is slightly freaking me out lol - why does Bash not look like Bash? A filter?

I was just coming to post that, he looks terrifying.

What the hell

R105 I had been thinking about that, but I was wondering the fact that Kit and Will have different budgets than Tobie would affect that. Or if Will would move in with his girlfriend once out of his family home.

Bash please start looking hot again so Joe won't get hate

Lol Tobie. Shame we couldn’t just enjoy them live like the good old days.

R112 Cemented his spot at #4 out of the guys with this one, not going to lie.

R117 Haha it is most definitely not his actual face. He looks human in the first photo.

R115 I mean he could look terrific and Joe would still cop shit. Something about Joe just sets people off (the something is unapologetic homosexuality lol). I think he’s probably just in motion, about to laugh or something

R115 It’s that fan. I’m sure she has a filter on him cuz all the pictures she took with him look a bit strange.

R119 I wasn't being serious, though people forget that he's currently acting and playing a character. I'm sure in a couple week he'll be pretty, clean and hot again

And that pic must be a filter

R120 I had noticed that he looked weird in a few fan photos - maybe they were all from the same person. How bizarre to meet a celeb that you’re a fan of and then edit the photo so they don’t even look like themselves.

R121 yeah, I was joking (sort of) as well. Have come around to filter - they don’t look like his teeth!

I'm not convinced that it's a filter, he looks more like Doulla than usual.

I’m 100% sure it’s a filter - I got a literal jumpscare when I first saw it.

Someone’s asked the OP.

I still can’t understand why Bash’s sister would unfollow Joe so quickly? He was basically part of the family. Was he not close to her, specifically? Didn’t he go to her wedding with Bash?

R127 They probably weren't that close. She lives outside of London and maybe she just didn't want to see him off living his single life. As Bash's sister she's got zero loyalty to Joe obviously, though his mom is probably more upset about it given Joe lived with them for so long

Most of them didn't post for Rhea's birthday as compared to last year. I guess this will be the pattern going forward as well.

I guess both Joe and Kit aren't super close with Rhea, they've both been online today (Kit with the Taron exchange, Joe liked Alice's most recent post).

R89 How much ever people on here would like to say otherwise but the general perception out there is still that that Bash is straight for many.

He is and you basically gotta take a deep dive into interviews to find that he's alluded to it being queer, he's never said gay either, though assuming he is.

Assuming bday wishes just die down in general.

R127 Joe is so fucking cute in that photo. Really wish we had seen that outfit clearly and perfect slutty waist and flat stomach

R131 It's going to continue being like that until he says the words, unfortunately. Most of the things that make it obvious to us that he's gay (or at least queer) aren't things that the general audience is going to pick up on (pronoun game, the gay photoshoots in magazines with low circulation, his very private relationships), straight is still the default, journalists won't label him as a queer actor the way they do with Joe and Kit until he says it himself, and they won't ask about it without his consent. Anyone that watches the show and looks Bash up on Wikipedia isn't going to find out that he's a member of the community. It's, to an extent, reminiscent of the Kit situation since we were some of the very few picking up on the clues until he said it himself.

Last night:

He's too funny R135. I wonder if there were any interesting questions/answers.

Saw this comment on a Nick and Charlie video and I agree with the ending. Heartstopper has no real plot. Alice should count her blessings and end it at season 3.

R137 That's what's intriguing (or an impending wreck) about the next season, that it's clear that they're now constructing some sort of plot from bits of the comics so that it works as a show. For the medium it is, it's fine if it just kind of meanders, but I think everyone involved in the show realizes that can't be the case for the show and have said as much. We'll see if the Story Consultant they brought on for S2 pays off.

I don't think anyone cares as long as we can watch Joe and Kit make out

R139 That, and we know Joe and Kit can elevate whatever writing they get and I don’t care about anyone else on the show all that much. Though I suspect the writing for Joe and Kit will be better than the writing for the rest of the group, anyway. The only reason I slightly worry is that if the writing tanks completely and the show falls out of public favor, it’ll be harder for Joe and Kit to gain recognition at awards and stuff, but Netflix already fucked them with that release date so it’s a wash.

R138 yeah, I hope the story consultant cleans up some of the clunkier writing. Also, while she’s not a gay man I think her lived experience as a lesbian will be really valuable (particularly if Euro’s leans into his influence as well). Acknowledging that queer sexuality as a young person is more complex than just romantic feelings (which Alice just doesn’t have the context to inject into the story) is important. Also, Kit and Joe will look hot together now their physicality is even more striking. But, the only thing I’m basically looking forward to is the non verbal acting

What’s wrong with the release date?

R142 It’s outside of the Emmy eligibility window for the most recent cycle, so the season won’t be up for consideration until the 2024 Emmys which are voted on next fall. A bunch of new stuff could displace the show by then.

I got the feeling they weren’t too excited about the Emmys.

Gotta say I just assumed it’s because Netflix didn’t see the value in the Children’s Emmy’s in the end. Sounds like they didn’t just have to campaign they also had to negotiate HS eligibility. Kit didn’t seem to take his nomination or win particularly seriously (no shade, just observation), and Alice certainly didn’t.

R145 Netflix cared enough to release Sweet Tooth in time, so I'm not entirely sure about that, but I definitely know See Saw cares, especially since Heartstopper makes up the majority of the Emmy tally on their site.

Anyway, there better be some quality face-sucking in S2.

Maybe they didn’t want to hype the show too much in the US. What with all the noise to protect children from queer content. It could pose a problem for HS if it becomes a serious target.

R145 The Children’s and Family Emmys are the exception in that there’s 0 campaigning to do. They submit the show and then everything is left up to the voters, there are no campaign events to pay for and they don’t have to whore out the cast. I don’t think there would be an eligibility issue either, seems like the darker stuff is coming in season 3.

R147 That would be utterly spineless, so I wouldn't count that out as a possibility.

Speaking of negotiating eligibility, Netflix fucked itself by submitting the show to the BAFTAs because they'll never win anything there and it's now basically impossible for them to petition to change to the Children & Young People BAFTAs with that Writing nomination.

R146 yeah, I didn’t consider See Saw. I wonder what the issue was the Netflix made the call.

R148 someone posted an interview here with someone from the Children’s Emmy’s talking about the categories and how HS’s eligibility really had to be considered ( maybe because of its rating?). It was an interesting read but ages ago so I could be giving a spin to it that’s putting more emphasis on HS than actually was there

Isaac’s aroace storyline will be positioned like “see this show is not all about selling queer romance and sex to young people”.

R150 Found it:

[quote]Sure. I mean, it happens because Netflix petitioned to have it in CAFE. If you are rated … I think I went over this before, but to reiterate. If you are only locked into a specific competition, if you are Y or Y7, you’re locked into CAFE. And if you’re MA, you’re locked into primetime. Actually, in both daytime and CAFE, we do not accept any MA content. So if you’re a PG or you’re a TV-14, you should be filing an eligibility petition to best determine where you go. They filed a petition to come to CAFE, and we felt as the administrators of the contest that we should send this to a full panel for their discretion. And there was a vote that resulted in Heartstopper being approved as a CAFE entry. And one of the things that came about from the petition process with Heartstopper, but also with a couple of other shows, that we perhaps maybe didn’t consider, but it will be helpful for us in tweaking the eligibility language for next year, is that the panelists tended to really take into consideration whose point of view the show is from.

Sounds like all shows with a PG/TV-14 rating are required to petition.

From the Emmys - tl;dr once they're in, they're in:

[quote]Once a program enters a specific Emmy® Award contest (inclusive of the Primetime Emmy® Awards, International Emmy® Awards, and Regional Emmy® Awards administered by our sister academies and chapters), the program is bound to remain in that contest unless a petition is filed via email and thereafter accepted by contest administration.

I have a lot of gripes about Heartstopper, but I do appreciate that they stormed the 1st CAF Emmys and staked a claim for the gays immediately. Gay nominees, transgender nominee, bisexual winner, the kiss playing on a big ol’ screen when the show won. None of this “gay affection means it’s more adult” homophobic bullshit.

PG/TV-14 vs the hickey scene.

Joe’s finsta post count went from 15 to 13.

R154 might be on to something there. Be funny if Alice went to effort not have any swearing (despite the edgy teen girly fans pleading for it), only to get the rating bumped by the world’s most chaste neck kiss. It was M15+ (our ratings) where I am. Apparently any discussion of sexuality makes the show mature

R155 and so the purge slowly begins

I wonder if the Bash birthday post on his public account will survive between the styling credits and the pictures with his mom and Sam.

R158 I think the public accounts will be slower and probably start from the bottom of the grid. Feel for them - this bit is the messy part (even if turns out it’s fairly amicable)

Joe’s will be really easy to purge, he has 3 posts of a personal nature involving Bash and 2 of them have Bash as the image that’s visible on his feed. He can jettison the birthday picture with Bash from the end of his 18th birthday carousel, jettison the Bash pictures from his NYC carousel and leave the couple of pictures with no Bash (if he wants to keep that one at all), and archive the Bash birthday post entirely. So he can get away with just archiving one post if he chooses to.

R160 Agreed. Bash is going to be the one purging a lot more, but he already constantly archives and unarchives his posts so it should be fine.

Joe purging wouldn’t be that hard. Bash isn’t on many of them on his public ig page. If he starts posting more (heres to manifesting) he could easily drown out the little that is left og Bash

Who did Bash unfollow from his public account?

R158 I think I will. The NY one survived. I'm assuming he has more than 2 pics of Bash on his finsta too. Those were probably just the most love dovey ones with nobody else.

Bash just randomly archived all his professional pics last month, but he has years of IG posts as so he can slowly unarchive and then archive some of the Joe ones while keeping the ones with more of the cast. I guess he could just remove the first pic for a lot of his posts since he always started a pic dump with pics of him and Joe.

Though Joe purging his IG at 1am on a Saturday night is pretty sad though!

One gotta clean house when there are suitors at the door.

R164 He purged them at least 3 hours ago, I saw that his count was at 13 around 10 PM but didn't know he had been at 15 before.

R163 did he follow Lucy with his public account?

R167 Not with his public account, no.

R168 yeah, then no one obviously Joe related that I could see. Still following Joe’s Mum, Sam. He didn’t follow Joe’s finsta with his public account

And Nell actually followed someone and didn't unfollow Joe, so maybe she won't for awhile. I say that and watch her unfollow.

R163 No clue. He might unfollow those Disney/MCU accounts he followed after Joe's casting. Still follows Sam.

He never followed Lucy, Lucy didn't even follow his finsta until very recently either.

R166 A little less sad

R170 seems to be following the Marvel accounts still.

I guess someone could have just deactivated and he hasn’t unfollowed anyone

I was right, he's wearing the Bash bracelet, not one from the Taylor Swift concert. Someone from that Heartstopper Facebook group met him today and the bracelet is clearly visible in one of her pictures.

RIP shared jewellery. Seems crazy that 6 months he was wearing the Joe bracelet in Brazil. This time away from each other must have really taken its toll

They wrapped up filming for Agatha. The cinematographer posted about the wrap party.

R175 more Joe content we will never see… I’m glad he’s able to take a bit of time now. I wonder if he will stay in the USA for a bit longer, considering circumstances have (ahem) changed so much

I think he’ll head to the IOM, but can’t say he doesn’t keep it interesting and won’t throw a curve ball.

Based on nothing conspiracy (DL favourite kind). Connor was all dressed up somewhere 5 hours ago… Joe’s wrap party date?

Joe should go party in LA.

My guess is that Joe will head back to the IOM, maybe take a short vacation somewhere close by (with his mom?), and then start popping into London for photoshoots with Kit (and the gang if they do group magazine covers again).

Well interesting how he would have been done in time to see the play without flying in before filming was done. I'm leaning towards he'll go home.

R179 Check Connor’s mother’s story, he’s in Toronto celebrating his brother.

I forgot about PFW, I think Joe will pop up there as well.

The agatha wrap party was tonight. John Chema the cinematographer posted on his story.

R183 that’s boring. I mean, not for him, but for us

Wouldn't be surprised if Joe's mom came to town to go with him and help him move.

The Agatha wrap party was tonight. John Chema the cinematographer for the series, posted on his insta story.

Fingers crossed Joe posts something.

Are you guys not refreshing the thread? The wrap party has been posted about 3 times now.

They will probably get right into filming some hearstopper promos.

I’m interested in what magazines take advantage of the Joe and Kit hype, especially with their last cover having been “the most interacted with cover in 33 years” for British GQ.

Wonder if they could get Vanity Fair. It's owned by Conde Nast like GQ. Though might be too American. Hope Joe does a new solo interview too.

R190 think you’re right. Netflix have probably been dying to get Joe back. A lot of cast also seemed to take trips in May (Yaz/Cori/Rhea/Tobie) so could have been taking the time when they could. When does Tobie’s play start?

R193 June 7th, ends July 1.

Bash and Julia Hobbs followed each other, when did they meet?

R195 No idea, but my guess is that it was through Storm.

I love these threads, they really put the fanatic back into fan, so cringe they're actually funny, keep up the good work nutters!

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I forgot they were auto-redacted, here are the relevant write-ups from the list:

[bold]13. Yasmin Finney[/bold]

In true Gen Z form, Yasmin Finney first gained a following on TikTok where she shared her life as a teenage Black trans woman in Britain. Her first acting role was in the British LGBT+ romantic TV drama Heartstoppers, where she plays a trans character Ellie Argent. Even more impressively, she was nominated for her debut performance by the Children’s and Family Emmy Awards for the Outstanding Supporting Performance award. Finney’s already set to join the 60th anniversary celebration episodes of Doctor Who, which are due to air in November.

Away from the screen, in December Finney appeared on the cover of British Vogue, which was shortly followed by covers for Elle UK and Teen Vogue this year, and she’s given out gongs at the Fashion Awards.

[bold]18. Joe Locke and Kit Connor[/bold]

The two stars of British LGBT+ romantic drama series Heartstopper have within a single series become the patron saints of saccharine gay tweens. The romantic comedy has been adapted from the webcomic and graphic novel of the same name by Alice Oseman and follows the lives of Charlie (Joe Locke) and Nick (Kit Connor) who sit next to each other in form time.

In October 2022, Connor came out as bisexual in a Twitter post and Locke has previously talked about the parallels between his experience growing up as gay on the Isle of Man and his character, Charlie.

At just 19 years old, the pair dominated queer conversation last year via the coming-of-age narrative, where their portrayals of the LGBT+ community received critical acclaim. The series as a whole received nine nominations and five wins at the inaugural Children’s and Family Emmy Awards, including Connor’s win ​​for Outstanding Lead Performance. Season two is released on Netflix in August 2023.

Not a huge fan of the blurb for Kit and Joe, could’ve mentioned Joe speaking out about the blood ban and Kit speaking out about representation for bisexual men.

Sebastian with a fan.

R200 That opening line is pretty pointed - and quite funny.

Interesting that many here, including myself, have spoken about Joe being eclipsed by Kit in the media, but clearly, even with his coming out and queer media’s focus on him, they’re still viewed as a duo by mainstream media. Interesting to see if they do anything for pride. My guess is maybe some prerecorded stuff or individual interviews. I think some of the cast will attend the pride, but I wouldn’t say Kit and Joe are definitely going to be there

R201 He’s looking in a really good mood lately, considering.

R202 It's funny that Kit and Joe got saddled with that line (which isn't inaccurate) while Yaz gets the fawning write-up for her work on the same show. Her Supporting Performance nomination is impressive, while Joe's nomination as a Lead doesn't even get a mention. I hope her PR person is being paid handsomely.

Bash and another twink followed each other.

How do you see recent follows? What’s his IG handle?

R205 Meanwhile the Joe/Bash crowd on Twitter is praying that Joe goes "home" to London (read: to Bash).

Thomas, he’s a cutie.

R205 good. I hope he and Joe have lots fun flirting and fucking around.

From the outside it seemed like they had a lovely relationship that was really good for them both for a long time, and now they get to enjoy being young and queer separately. I hope they both have a filthy pride month

well maybe i'm just projecting my own experiences here but them both rapid following or hooking up with hot other people (especially since bash's are absolutely his type) actually makes me think they're more likely to end up on decent terms. it's in my experience way harder or there are more long term resentments, plus mutual friends feel more pressure to take sides, when one person rebounds or moves on fast and the other doesn't. i'm probably being optimistic here but seeing them end up with a pretty good friendship after this would be nice. it's hard to tell because we don't know joe's dating history or preference and they're young but i can see him wanting to be friends with Bash/his exes out of pure stubbornness, since his bitchiness and strong personality are my favorite things about him. that said it's also possible and not super unlikely that they have another messy hookup in the fall, since they're hot, will be on set together which brings up old memories, and clearly were really attracted to one another for a long time. Everything about the situation still has me leaning toward Bash ending it but i obviously have no actual clues.

R208 It looks like he's probably gonna have a song on the S2 soundtrack, because Pat and the official Heartstopper account also follow him.

i think it's natural even if they ended decently well for some friends to end up being solely the custody of one person (lucy for joe and nell for bash, for example) but i will honestly be pissed if connor ends up taking sides. i don't see the cast doing it though maybe i'm wrong. but with connor i get he was friends with bash first but seemed close to both, they're both a good bit younger than him, and i think really enjoy his company. clarifying that i don't think him including bash in his post and not joe means he's team bash, just that i've seen twitter seem to think bash's sister unfollowing, a few castmates going to bash's play, and connor only posting bash means joe is a demon who wronged him.

I have wondered if there's a way they both feel hurt and dumped, which might explain some of the dynamics. like when joe was visiting bash was honest things felt different and he wasn't sure long distance was working and had doubts for the future but was willing to keep trying or giving it another go and joe was basically set on "if you're not in this, you're not in it" and didn't want to have to try to convince him otherwise. have had a breakup that's similar and both parties come out feeling a bit hurt and like they're the one that got dumped. ended up fine though, in my case we ended up dating again for another year though i hope these two let sleeping dogs lie

R90 I missed this yesterday, but this might be the funniest fan picture I've seen of Bash. He looks like he's the fan and the girl is the celeb.

Wondering how will people react if the most of the cast takes Bash' side and it's Joe who gets sidelined. Major consensus is of the opposite happening as Joe is the main lead but what if it's the other way round?

Maybe that guy Bash followed has a song on the soundtrack.

R214 Going to keep it real with you, can't imagine that happening. Even ignoring the fact that most of them seem fonder of Joe than of Bash, why would they make work awkward for themselves by siding against the person they're going to be working with the most?

R214 The handful of Bash stans would be thrilled, at least.

R214 the idea that the cast (and crew) is taking Bash's side is funny to me. They gotta deal with Joe, not Bash. Tobie doesn't seem like he'd be judgmental either and seems like a great friend of Joe's. Kit we don't need to discuss since that's obvious. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence they use to act like the cast hates Joe, but I think it just came down to timing. I bet most of them didn't even know all the gritty details before they met with Bash again.

The only way Joe gets sidelined is if he's just not in London. Yaz is always gonna be Team Joe too.

R214 I don't think the consensus is that the opposite will happen, it's that the cast probably won't take sides at all. If either has their "side taken" I would be really surprised. Aside from someone (guessing a friend or family member of Joe) unfollowing Bash and Bash's sister unfollowing Joe plus a few low key archived posts, nothing has really happened, including with non-famous friends of both of them, so no incentive for them to be low key and avoid unfollowing due to gossip or drama. If this is, as it seems, a breakup with maybe hurt feelings on both sides but no actual bad guy I really doubt everyone who has to work with both of them will actively decide to be team either to the exclusion of the other.

R216 True. Wouldn't make sense for them to pick sides.

But Joe being away and most of them getting to meet Bash first after the break up and will also be getting to hear his version of the story first. That's why I was wondering. And we really don't know what kind of person Bash is at the end of the day. Maybe he is someone who is petty. Everyone thinks it's Joe who is petty but Bash could be as well.

Some are naturally a little closer than others, but I don't think that means even they are taking sides. If we see Rhea and Bash or Yaz and Joe together, not a sign that Yaz hates Bash or that Rhea has an issue with Joe. Joe has continued liking posts from the people who went to support Bash at the play, Alice and Will, or hung out with him post breakup, Connor, and posted the Kizzy and Cori photoshoot to be supportive. He's just not back in England or in a play or something the cast can also show support at right now. That said the people who are insistent that Joe wronged Bash or is lashing out wrongly after being dumped will probably never give up on that. The others clearly being fond of him during promo, the premier, or filming s3 would be all for show and publicity in their minds while secretly the cast all prefer Bash. As someone who likes both and thinks they both seem like genuine, decent people you'd think everyone who loved them together would be leaning hard into 'they're both great and will end up really really close' as a cope, not 'Joe made a huge mistake he will regret'

R220 I don't think either is petty in the sense of actively shit talking from anything we have seen. Again, their own individual friends have no reason to keep following their mate's ex but they all still do. If either was embarking on a campaign to shit on the other I think we'd see it there very quickly post breakup, like within days. Think the extent of their mutual pettiness, if it can even be characterized as such, is them following other hot guys they're into or maybe hooked up with and posting a relatively subtle IG story of them. And even that seems more like an "I'm fine/not hung up on you" thing than pettiness.

Anyway, I think absent something blatantly wrong like cheating, whoever is pettier and shit talking more is less likely to endear the others to them. SO even if bash used seeing the others to shit talk joe, which i really doubt, don't think the others would jump from that to "fuck joe"

R212 That actually sounds reasonable that one of the two brought up how things had changed and they had some sort of fight and just ended it, so both would feel they were the wronged party. I think what people can't wrap their head around is that it was so close to Joe finishing filming so they think something dramatic must have happened, when it's possible it didn't. Sometimes you can't deal with just seeing your partner a couple days out of the month. Also wondering if Bash got a new job that's going to take him away from London soon.

Random, and not blaming him, but I think Tobie mentioned that Bash is not particularly good with keeping in touch with people as in he doesn't text back. Just get the feeling he not great at long distance relationships. Works fine with just friends but maybe not so much with your boyfriend.

R220 I'm assuming they text/talk Joe quite a bit

R223 yeah i'm thinking also it could have even been something that was again reasonable from both ends and made sense, but was neither's fault. I still lean towards Bash's feelings changing and Joe reacting to that more than vice versa. But for instance if Joe brought up or was a bit hurt that Bash went to Japan for however long, 2 weeks or whatever, instead of spending some more of that time in Atlanta, and it ended up being a situation of Bash feeling sick of always having to make more effort, which is fair, but Joe quite literally not being able to make more effort or leave America as he was tied to a set, which is also fair. Anyway I feel for both, i think when people think something dramatic they may not be totally wrong as 0 of joe's actions or conduct or appearance made it seem like he was prepared for a breakup when going to visit Bash. But if you hear that your partner's feelings are changing, even if they're not necessarily fully breaking it off, I can get wanting to end it especially if it feels like you're both being blamed for circumstances beyond your control - literally just the location where each lives or is working.

R223 re keeping in touch even the time difference is hard. Joe isn't working a 9-5, he has unpredictable call times, and can be on set for 12 hours a day. If he can't talk till 1am England time most days or can't really talk before work because his call time is 7am, that's really really tough. and even tougher when the other person isn't a good texter. again neithers fault just something hard

R79 very belated but i do not blame bash for this at all or think there's any sign he was less invested, to be very clear. But it is interesting to me that stuff like him giving joe material gifts and commenting on his stuff and posting him more was seen as proof he was so much more into it. Firstly he's rich as fuck, his average outfit is well over 1000. the jewelry and gifts were cute and nice but not insane price point for him. Secondly, he posts everything more than Joe does and was basically always more instagram active, so didn't think that was a huge deal - he also missed posting about Joe's WhatsOnStage thing which i totally understood given it was after the JKR thing and I don't think he was eager to be on social media, but still. Joe blocked people and a full on publication for him, posted about his play while the fans were still furious at him, made his first pretty personal post in ages for his birthday, etc. There are no signs Joe cared less in any way which is part of what makes the fans being angry at him so annoying. They clearly both cared a lot, are probably both pretty hurt right now, and i think have both shown they're good people

R225 It's totally understandable and yeah, feel they might have been distant for quite awhile. Bash was in Japan for a lot of March (time difference would just make it impossible to talk much, which is why at the time I kinda questioned their relationship status) and just seem to make a obligatory trip there to see Joe after, but didn't stay long. Then he had his own work and probably couldn't hang around waiting for Joe to be available.

I’m more of the mind that Joe texts a lot to stay connected while he’s away but Bash is not willing to change his habit of not replying in time. Trust and priorities then comes into question. This period away was an unplanned test of the relationship and it revealed fatal flaws.

R226 Bash also hypes up everyone and is just more extroverted with people. You can see it in the pics he takes with friends. If anything I always got the feeling Joe was the more clingy one and was no less invested. He didn't act like he did with Bash with anyone else that we saw publicly

R228 Could be possible they both kinda neglected the relationship, though could see Bash not staying in touch as much. Not like they haven't done long distance before, but getting to see each other every weekend while Joe's in a play and Bash is filming a movie and being in the same time zone or when Joe's in IOM and Bash is in London is totally different from being thousands of miles apart.

Not to get too into love language stuff here because I take all that with a grain of salt anyway but every time they were spotted by fans or in most of their pre show photos they were completely all over one another. if being pretty physical is a big part of the relationship, which is overall fair but especially when you're young and horny, then not only this period of long distance but a realization it would be like this for years would be hard. I'm interested to see what bash's next project is. I don't necessarily think it's outside london but could see it being another show with a set filming location for a few years. regardless of the location, unless it was literally atlanta I could see him or them realising they might have years of just being able to do an occasional weekend for half the year or more and thinking that was too much to handle.

glad both seem to be either in good spirits or at least faking it till they make it and avoiding wallowing in hurt. I get what people are saying that bash might be upset and just playing it off in front of people, but he is voluntarily meeting fans and seeming to have a really good upbeat time every night as reported by even people (on here) who are aware of the breakup and looking for signs. Joe similarly heading to NY and sight seeing, going to plays, etc shows he's not just dissolving into despair. Hopefully bash thirst following some guys will get fans off joe's back. they both deserve a rebound or two, and having a rebound or at least some obvious thirst for people other than each other will probably help both cool off and feel more fine with one another when they next see each other. Based on nothing other than pure speculation, I can see them deciding to meet up for a clear the air talk in July when Joe is back doing promo in London. Sort of a "let's not make this awkward for our colleagues, let's not cause drama and gossip" and perhaps even a "let's try to be friends".

Part of me wonders if with the distance and removal of physical closeness for longer periods of time they realized they weren't really compatible long-term or something.

R232 It doesn't help that the MCU thing is not a one time deal. He's going to be constantly go back and forth like that for years to come. Man I can see how things could dissolve pretty quickly if part of the issue is basically Joe's dream job. Would be kind of like Joe was blamed for it, even if it's nothing he can help and I doubt Bash ever did.

Anyway, fitting for Agatha to ruin everything. Alexa play Agatha All Along

Would be funny if after all our analysing and determining they were long term incompatible, it wouldn't have worked, best case they are friendly or friends, they pull a tomdaya in a year or two. I doubt it as tomdaya were a little older and still acting together when they split initially, but would be funny

Tom and Zendaya also weren't all that serious the first time they dated (versus Joe and Bash breaking up a serious, long-term relationship).

R235 hadn't they been dating for over 2 years? again doubt it's the case here so not arguing that point, guessing bash and joe are done for good. But i thought they split in 2019 and got together during or after filming in 2016. and then were back on 2 years later in 2021.

R236 Did they even actually date back? I thought that was all shippers trying to will it into existence while they went around denying it constantly and then each of them popping up with boyfriends/girlfriends. On second thought, I don’t care about a straight couple.

R237 They did date back then. They actually seemed to date for longer than 2 years. Basically 2016 to early 2019. They kept denying it though, but I don't think it was just a random hookup. They both dated other people for a bit after and got back together later.

Don't see that for Joe and Bash since they are so young and not going to be constantly working together.

Yes, I looked up a timeline for a straight couple.

One thing that worked for Tom and Zendaya is that they were together a lot after their break up as they were filming together. Don't see that happening for Joe and Bash. Bash is most likely about to get written off Heartstopper next season. And even if Bash is there, Ben isn't the main lead for him to get to spend a lot of time on set.

R239 Joe and Bash aside, I'm confused why people keep saying Bash is about to get written out of HS? I don't think they can finish Ben's storyline with everything else and seems reasonable to keep him around for the main part of Charlie's issues in S3, since S2 seems like it might just scratch the surface of it and build it up for S3. If they get a S4 I could see him gone though.

Joe and Bash probably rarely film together though and Bash is more likely to go back to London than hang around on set.

Amidst all this, if Kit somehow manages to land Hulkling's role in the MCU, there will be a full blown meltdown that will take place. Obsessed Joe/Bash shippers won't know what peace is.

R240 Logically speaking, there's no need for Ben. One could justify him being there in Season 2 but to drag out his storyline up until Season 3 is just pointless.

And he isn't even that strong of an antagonist to have his storyline dragged out until the third season.

R241 Please, those meltdowns would be so fucking hilarious that I would take off work just to watch them unfold.

R240 I’m not sure there would even be anything to finish? I don’t think we’ll know until the new season is out, but so far he’s mostly there to flesh out Charlie’s trauma and as a foil for Nick. Alice has been adamant there’s no redemption storyline coming for him. I would guess he fades into the background once Charlie’s in the hospital.

Excuse the rambling but I do think there's a lot to be said for the fact that obsessed fans are taking bash's "side" in this when there are no signs sides even need to be taken much less that joe specifically is in the wrong somehow. i know it's been said before that a lot of the fanbase vastly prefers kit and are constantly dismissive of or annoyed with joe, but seeing it even with people i overall thought were fans of his and indifferent to kit is sort of crazy. I think a lot of it has to do with the same projection they do onto Nick and Charlie, that the "hotter" "more masculine" one is head over heels for his in their view less attractive less appealing boyfriend, and any signs to the contrary from Joe or anything implying he's not leading a life centered solely around his boyfriend or co-lead pisses them off. Ignoring that for gay men, especially those into twinks, joe is a fucking catch and extremely hot in looks and vibe. Excited for him to be Wiccan, because Wiccan is just so much better as a character than Hulkling, and Joe deserves fans who don't decide he's a bad guy for a breakup he may not even have initiated and where there is no visible bad guy.

R244 Going by that reason he just shouldn't have ever come back. Not talking about redemption, but he actually comes up in Charlie's therapy, which won't happen until S3, so just personally I'd rather Ben stick around so Charlie is not fighting invisible monsters. I'd guess he'd have some things to film for that if nothing else. If he's in S2 stands to reason he signed for S3 too. Don't think he'll have more than few minutes screentime in S2 though.

What's the general opinion on here - do you want Kit to play Hulking or not? We know it's probably unlikely, but would you want it to happen?

R240 tbh i would be surprised if bash even got offered cast accommodation next season or this past season. the main 6 got it for obvious reasons, and then s1 i think way more of them got it for covid. but last season the otis and sai actors would post from cars coming from london at 5am. i do think bash will be in s3, but imagine ben will have a smaller role, and it's very plausible bash is just chauffeured to and from london the days he's needed rather than getting an apartment on set, and also think he possibly didn't get offered one last season but just stayed with joe.

While s3 they'd likely be able to stay together as well, I have to wonder if that again is part of what happened between them. Bash spent the fall mostly in Slough for Joe's job, then was the one travelling mostly to America for Joe's job, and then if they made it work would again be the one mostly in Slough this fall for Joe's job. I don't want to call it ego, because that's not fair, more a natural thing neither can help. Joe can't and shouldn't restrict his career, Bash would have the right to feel a bit tired of having to do more visits and moves to make it work even though it's not joe's fault. That said if bash is in s3 i think basically all of ben's scenes will in fact be with charlie which is interesting

R245 We can blame Bash's sister for that, though I'm assuming they would have found a reason to blame him anyway. I don't htink the cast going to Bash's play means anything other than that's when they were always going.

R247 I don't. I need Joe to stand on his own and am kind of sick of him being seen as Kit's accessory, or Bash's accessory, We got rid of one, let's get rid of the other.

r247 Not sure how unlikely it is. Not dead set on them doing it, but it would be physically good casting, a tried and true chemistry, and appropriately young. I know everyone jokes the Young Avengers will be 30 at this rate, so I think they'll avoid casting mid twenties or above for Hulkling and will try for someone around Joe's age. I wouldn't be adverse to it but not praying for it either.

R249 I wish she had muted him instead to avoid all this nastiness, but to be fair to her there is no reason she would've known this would happen and being a ride or die for your sibling is not weird, regardless of the faultlessness of the breakup. if Bash's feelings were hurt even slightly or she was even slightly aggrieved Joe "moved on" so fast, an unfollow is pretty standard. Do think it's funny that we will just never know about most of Joe's family and friends though as they're almost all private, so in the fan stalking front Bash will always win the day. Agreed on the cast going to Bash's play. They pretty clearly had tickets already and if they really were team Bash and mad at Joe as people seem to think they could've pointedly posted a glowing praise for the play and his performance. Patrick and Alice also went together to the Trials and posted close to identical captions to what they posted this time, plus they're both grown adults unlikely to pick sides in a teen breakup especially against their lead. That would be nonsense.

R247 They have great chemistry, so why not? Fans of Bridgeton have been campaigning for the leads of the Queen Charlotte story to act together again. I agree with them, it’s a shame actors that work well together are only allowed to do one job as co-leads.

R250 the idea that Patrick and Alice are going to hate on Joe is crazy to me. Patrick might be a #1 Kit fanboy at heart, but he's not dumb and won't alienate the lead of his show and treat him poorly. Get the feeling some of them don't actually think any of the cast actually like Joe and Bash is the only reason any of them tolerated him.

R247

Im kind of in the middle. Obviously Kit & Joe have great chemistry together so i wouldn’t mind seeing them act together again. I would like Joe to get away from hs for a little bit as to me it seems like he is always being sidelined. However, Wiccan is such a major character that i am not really worried about it hapening again unless they really fuck up his character.

However my main thing would be that i would like to see Joe work with other actors and see how he is chemistry wise with other potential love interests. I just can’t think of current possibilities to play hulkling. Kit would fit the role but i am struggling to think of other working actors rn who can fit it.

Anyone have any possible clues?

Maybe in season 2 episode 7, Ben confronts Charlie one last time at prom, Nick beats him up and he exits the plot forever.

R252 i get the same vibe. Which is weird to me because, and this is not me saying they like Bash less, there was what, one sighting of him with Tobie in the 6 months Joe was away, and none with Kit and Will? meanwhile Kit, Will, and Tobie hung out a lot, and every time the guys hung out off set during s2 joe was there too. I think they all really care about both but really don't get the vibe Kit and Tobie especially, but even Will, Alice, or Patrick, are especially closer to Bash.

The thing that makes no sense to me is the long distance. They are both in a position where they have the means and the time (when they’re not working) to see each other, wherever & whenever. They’re not tied to a 9 to 5. They have money to travel. If they really wanted to make it work they would have (like they did for the past 2 years). I think maybe feelings have started to change or priorities have changed. I agree that Bash might have started to feel exhausted by the constant dynamic of following Joe around while Joe’s working. Bash has been in the industry for years and his newcomer bf is far more successful than me. Must not be easy to witness this (even the kindest person would feel some type of way eventually). Them both following new crushes/hookups right away makes me thing they are not on the best of terms. Not saying they hate each other but the narrative that they’ll be BFF soon is unlikely to happen, in my eyes.

R256 The technical difference between "seeing each other" and spending time together might also be part of it. When Joe was working more than Bash on the Heartstopper set, Bash could still come to set with him and knew everyone else on set so could hang out with them and see Joe between takes, over lunch, getting hair and makeup done. Now, even if he has time to go visit Joe a lot, putting aside anything else, Joe is not doing a 9-5 where they have the whole evening. He's on set filming all day, and due to Marvel secrecy and not being in the cast, he can't just go with Joe even if he wanted to. So they really only have the weekends or Joe's rare days off. Plus Atlanta kind of sucks. The fast following other hookups or crushes could mean either some enmity or both of them really trying to get past one another and hurt feelings fast. Hopefully the latter. Don't disagree feelings changed a bit (until something suggests otherwise I think all the weirdness surrounding the length and infrequency of Bash's visits, plus Joe going to visit him in his clothes, makes me think Bash started feeling different) as well, just think long distance is a good excuse here.

Agree that the distance argument makes no sense in their case. I think it’s conflicting priorities and that classic reason when actors break up, one is bigger than the other.

R256 It would for sure get to me eventually if I were the one constantly doing the traveling to see the other person. I'm sure he enjoyed going to Brazil, though it was another case of following Joe around while he stayed backstage. Then he went to LA to hang around while Joe worked.

Bash is a genuinely good actor, charismatic, good looking. The casting in this play and the Amazon movie are good signs and I think he'll have a very solid career. But he is as others have said very ambitious. Others have mentioned it might be hard seeing his boyfriend get more famous fast and maybe that's part of it, but I also think it might be that he's overall seeing basically all his friends in acting get really successful too and that is making him focus even more laserlike on his career, over relationships and other things, which I would not blame him for. Amybeth still has more followers than all of the HS cast from Anne, Nell was in Servant which was pretty successful and is now leading the Omen movie, Emilia was the lead in the Oscar Best Picture winner, Georgie has a good supporting role in Wednesday which was huge, Asha is getting cast and booked pretty well. Plus then Kit and Joe are obvious from Heartstopper, but even Will has filmed 2 things and done well with his music and Yaz is given a lot of campaigns and attention as well. Don't even think Bash was jealous of Joe, but if the distance and things were already hard and seeing others' success made him feel even more determined to focus on his career and put that first it could have contributed.

R249 Also makes me wonder if that's why Joe made the trip to see him. He didn't really have to do it since Agatha filming is done and the play has another week. Kinda show he's going to make an effort to see Bash and not just when he's done with work.

And tbh, you'd have to be a real saint not to eventually get a bit salty that your career was not doing as well despite the fact that Bash gained a lot from what little he did in HS. Bash also lost a pretty good part in Dead Boy Detectives that could have been his breakthrough (though for the best since that show will probably come and go with no fanfare). Their dynamic might have changed a bit since Joe isn't the young newbie actor anymore.

R260 All good points

R246 He only comes up a single time as one of multiple factors for Charlie's trauma. You don't need Ben around for that when you can throw in a flashback. Charlie isn't fighting demons by that point, he's putting them to rest.

Here's a weird out of nowhere theory based on nothing, except Bash originally auditioning for Charlie. Wonder if maybe a role came up that both were invited to go out for, or that Joe mentioned he declined auditioning for due to conflicts with Agatha. Joe and Bash don't look alike necessarily, but they're both fairly slim, queer, early twenties white men. It's not like idk, Will and Joe or Kit and Joe who I think would rarely if ever have any overlap for roles. Again this is all just spitballing based on absolutely no evidence, but if post landing Wiccan Joe is outright declining auditions Bash would be thrilled for or is getting scripts for things, I can get how that type of thing would cause tension. But I do think they'll be able to be amicable by s3 filming. they have mutual friends, are both professionals, and this was a first relationship which can hurt a lot. But i think is akin to a lot of high school breakups. Feelings are awful when the breakup first happens but by the time everyone is home for summer (or in this case on the HS set), it's cooled off enough to maybe be a little awkward but not painful or excruciating.

I want Kit to play Hulkling just so joebashcandies suffers. Stop lurking here, you stupid cunt. (She's quoting R249.)

R264 that's so fucking weird considering the clear meaning of that was not "let's get rid of both bash and kit from joe's life" but rather "let's get rid of joe constantly being associated with others rather than his skill and career standing for itself." Becomes clearer and clearer how many of the "Joe/Bash" people did not gaf about Joe

I would argue that Bash isn’t that good of an actor, especially after I heard a clip of his American accent in 4000 Miles, and that if there really is enough overlap between him and Joe that they were going up for the same roles Bash would never get any of them over Joe, but that’s a whole other can of worms.

R266 He auditioned for Charlie and ended up with 5 minutes of screentime instead. He was recast entirely from another project. I agree.

R266 to be fair I'm going off reviews of 4000 miles, even the lukewarm professional ones have said he and Eileen were good and everyone who has gone said he was really good. Joe and Kit outperformed everyone in HS to a comical degree so it's hard for me to make that comparison. Out of curiosity did anyone see both the Trials and 4000 Miles? I know they're different sizes and types of roles so a hard comparison but would be curious to know how you compare the two as stage actors.

Bash broke up with him because Joe has a better American accent. I just know he does. Though I'm kidding, since Bash is apparently a very good stage actor. I think his parts in HS weren't the best.

R265 She's also bemoaning the loss of sweet, innocent Joe because she suddenly realized being gay means more than sharing clothes. She's a total idiot.

I really enjoyed Bash’s acting in Heartstopper and recently saw Doom Patrol and loved him in it.

I hope Agatha will do its job and raise Joe’s profile way before another twunk steps into the picture as Hulkling. In the meantime, Team Joe at CAA should find him another juicy role soon if they haven’t already.

Bash has great comedic timing, I’m looking forward to How To Date Billy Walsh despite it being straight.

Not to act like Marvel is the be all, end all of top notch acting, but to land a role as big as Wiccan after one other role is insane. He must have impressed the shit out of them.

The funniest fan turning on joe for me is the one whose @ is "bashandjoe" and clearly cannot stand joe anymore and thinks Bash is a victim. Calm down, it's a breakup, not warfare.

R270 I was just looking at her profile and saw a tweet of her say that she’s voting for Tara and Darcy over Nick and Charlie in a poll. Her resentment of Kit and obsession with Bash clearly outweighs the actual fucks she gives about Joe (none).

R264 This bitch. Do not quote my post R249

R271 I loved him in Doom Patrol with Ty Tennant. And his performance as Ben is great. I want to see him play more villains but seeing him in HTDBW will be fun.

I want to see How To Date because Tanner is hot.

R270 I'm surprised since she went on and on about their sex life (in which she thinks Joe railed Bash)

I think ego and changes in their relationship dynamic can’t be ignored. When they met, Bash was the rich and successful actor and Joe was a total unknown. I think Bash will continue working, but he’s not booking the types of jobs Joe’s probably now passing on. Their dynamic is a complete 180 from where it started. I’m sure Bash is proud of Joe, but I also think he really liked getting to introduce Joe to people early in their relationship. Spending the rest of his life as Joe’s +1 can’t be Bash’s dream.

I forgot JoeBashCandies thought they switched. so funny. you'd think she would be glad that Joe fucked Nick because he's vers so at least that would lend credence to her objectively wrong theory. Bash will find other twinks to be in awe of his huge dick and Joe will find other hairy fit men who worship his perfect body and ass. though they'll probably fuck again in the fall while drunk or something

R280 It's my dream. I'll take the job if Bash decided it's not for him.

R279 Turns out, like most women obsessed with gay men, she was using one of them as a self-insert because she's obsessed with the other one.

R280 Unfortunately, goes to show that no matter how much money and how many lessons your parents pay for, at the end of the day you can't make up ground against natural talent and he experienced that up close with his boyfriend.

Joe will be drowning in dick by the fall, Bash should make his way to the back of the line.

R283 I think Bash will be fine and he's 21 and has years to really break out, though the differences in their careers is only going to get more obvious. Something to be said about one doing MCU with legends and one doing a play that got demoted off west end.

R247 I would love to see Kit and Joe act together in something else because I really like their chemistry. I’m not picky in terms of if that’s in the MCU or something else, but if it played out that Kit was cast as Hulkling, I’d be on board. Especially since I can’t think of anyone else in that age range with the right look that I would want to see as Hulkling right now.

R285 Setting aside their current projects, I think it says enough that Joe and Kit were the two poached by American agencies and the rest weren't.

Hooking up with Sebastian is a dream but I’m probably too old for him and not his type.

Poor Bash, I do think he's getting some rough treatment on DL. I do legitimately think he's hot and seems nice and talented, so unless he screwed Joe over I'm rooting for him too. Though I guess Joe is getting it on Twitter so everything balances out.

I think one of the main benefits to Kit as Hulkling that people haven't mentioned is aside from looks, acting skill, and chemistry, he and Joe are actually very funny together and have great banter. Billy and Teddy have some legitimately funny moments in the comics and Billy is a sardonic little dick sometimes. I think Joe and Kit could do that aspect of the characters very very well.

Him getting his dick out for a more grown up role in a few years would be fantastic.

Changing the subject slightly, what projects do you all want to see the cast in next? I would really love Joe in a period piece. His bone structure and dramatic coloring is perfect for candelit gay rendezvous. Would like to see Kit in something on the big screen, a supporting role in Gladiator would be very very cool.

R290 That would be the dream. Just do it for something artsy, Bash.

R291 I'm probably in the minority in that I don't want to see Kit in a big IP project yet, at least until he's a little older and ages into more roles, but it kind of feels inevitable with him at WME. I want to see Kit in a period piece and Joe in a horror film or a psychological thriller.

Would love to see the guys in horror films. Bash would suit a comedy horror well I think .

I do honestly think all of the guys, but especially Joe and Bash, have period piece faces. Also would love to see Joe be able to lean into the Northern accent.

r293 my thinking is basically it's inevitable and Gladiator is at least high quality.

R291 Would love to see Joe in an indie film, with something more comedic and intelligent. I would like to see Kit in a dramatic role. I also think indie would work best for them to branch out and showcase their acting skills. Bash would look hot in a drama piece or something of the genre. The reality of them having another killer role (except Joe) is slim, at least for the foreseeable future. They are all still very young and good roles usually go to actors that are 25+. I think Kit could shine in a queer role like Call Me By Your Name but him bulking up makes me think they're trying really hard to push him as an action guy.

Maybe a bit of a curveball, but I'd love to see Kit in some sort of (decent) comedy film. I thought he was great in Slaughterhouse. I think Joe could be good in a comedy too (although I think Agatha will have comedy elements?). Agree with period roles for both of them - Kit has had a few small period roles growing up so it might be something he'll revisit.

R296 I think his body is more a reflection of how he threw himself into the gym for his mental health than of him being purposefully positioned as an action star, especially since when he's asked about his interests in genres he never really answers with action star stuff, but I guess we'll see.

Bash in a Bridgerton or Outlander type project would be amazing. He already did GOT but he was just a kid. I could see Will do well in comedy and Joe and Kit focusing on dramatic roles.

I watched Dampyr in the cinema and Sebastian was great in it, like most English language movies it was dubbed here but that was the only downside. I would like to see any of them in a Lost Boys/vampire type movie.

Wonder if Joe cares about playing straight roles. Yaz wants to play non-trans roles she's mentioned many times. Some actors get real up in their feelings about that sort of thing.

R298 Also his sister is a huge gymrat too. Kit probably has to worry about everyone wanting him to play the perfect love interest and sweet characters more than action heroes.

I think the whole cast will do very well considering the average actor’s career - it’s just comparison that’ll be the thief of joy. Like even the comparisons here of how Joe is overshadowing bash - the average actor of any age, let alone bash’s age, would die for Bash’s career. Netflix lead, award nominee, followed by marvel lead for years is an insane one in a million outcome for anyone. I think Joe is an exceptional innate talent given how good he was with 0 experience s1, but even with that talent it’s an insane outcome.

Regarding next roles I know this is a gay forum and as someone who wants to fuck joe I feel like a traitor but I’d be really interested to see him play straight or a really Oscar bait dramatic gay role, like CMBYN or some period piece. Can see bash ending up in some coming of age piece next. Kit is in a horror next obviously but after that think he’s could be good at sci fI.

Honestly i would love to see Joe in something artsy and dramatic or go opposite and go comedic. We really don’t have much for him so i would love to see what else he can do and hopefully the people at caa push him into that direction.

As for Kit i would love to see him in something that doesn’t play into the perfect love interest trope. I know technically its only happed twice (hs & acggttat) but a third time would get kind of repetitive. Gladiator sequel would be cool but im weary of Ridley Scott after house of gucci and cautious about the sequel

All I know is joe's the most likely to get naked for a role. I think he'd be down for anything.

Watch it be Bradley.

As much as I’d want Sebastian to get naked on screen for obvious reasons it’ll probably be one of the girls from the show.

Kit at the British Film Institute with a fan, he was there for a Dexter Fletcher event (Fletcher directed Rocketman). From archiegee_ on Twitter.

R306 The obligatory “he was so nice” comment from the fan.

R307 Really don't know how some fans insist Kit and Joe are terrible people. They're always nice to fans. R306 I like when his cute chubby face makes a comeback. The people that say he looks like he's 30 are insane.

R308 The funniest example of that was when people were catastrophizing over how old Kit supposedly looked in the gym pictures and then the video came out and he looked his age in it.

The gym adds 20 years to your looks.

R308 the past 2 fans who met Joe both said that. The Atlanta one tweeted that she didn’t understand anyone who said mean things about him because he was so sweet and the NY one said he was one of the loveliest people they’ve met

Seems like they’re all really lovely guys. Pretty funny that the HS fans (even some casual ones) lost their minds over a peek of the OF model in Joe’s posts and yet the bulk of the content from that trip was him taking photos with youngish fans, looking like butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth

Even putting talent that I’ve seen aside, and I’m not discounting that others could be better than they were in HS, I think Joe and Kit have the most appealing voices. Both have really nice appealing voices that don’t ever too far into character voices. Kit’s voice is pretty hot. Joes is a really nice combo of soft but distinct and not high pitched, I find it attractive. I doubt it’ll happen but if they voiced the Nick and Charlie or This Winter audiobook, it would sell extremely well.

Also maybe just missed when it was posted here but didn’t realize Joe had reposted Will’s Vogue thing. I already strongly presumed the cast would stay neutral and support both but that’s more proof of that imo

R312 especially funny that the OF guy was legitimately in a photo of Joe sightseeing. It doesn’t even look like it was a getting railed trip, especially given how busy Nick was, more a sightseeing last hurrah trip with the bonus of meeting up with and/or getting fucked by a fun new messy gay friend. Also fair play to Nick, for all we’ve called him a scammer and Twitter is convinced Joe is paying him or catching STDs off him, he has been very discrete about their situation. Not that I thought it was anything more than a hookup but he’s not clout chasing

R314 yeah, I didn’t scroll back through any of Nick’s Twitter but if anything from this week it looks like he’s been trying to make it pretty clear he’s single and not involved with anyone specific. Shame about the hoodie slip-up or it might be believable they’re just friends. before the DLer who wants to make it very clear what a big deal it is for Joe to post someone pops up, I agree, but it would have been easy to put it down to him just doing break-up ‘I’m fine’ posts if eagle eyed DLers hasn’t spotted the hoodie

R308 I want to state firstly that this is not me saying bash is fake or in any way not a really nice guy. It’s never seemed to me like his enthusiasm is a front or like he’s not really happy to meet fans, I think he’s just a bouncy extrovert who has also worked hard and is excited to have fans to meet. But seeing the fans who seem insistent (post breakup) on thinking he is the only sweet one in the cast and kit and Joe don’t share that, it feels like fairly emotionally immature and stunted people who think being extroverted and enthusiastic is the only way to be nice. Joe and Kit both seem quieter and Joe especially not overly physically demonstrative but no fans they’ve spoken to, including weird socially awkward fans, have ever had anything but glowing things to say

R314

[quote] STDs

OF nick is unironically the safest person to fuck if you don't wanna worry about that.

And yes, he's 100% saying he's single. He's tweeted about looking for a guy to play legos, tweeted taking a twink out to dinner before fucking him and posted an IG story, about the best advice about dating is not to. Wonder what he thinks of a bunch of HS fans looking at his stories though. Assuming he enjoys it.

I think part of it is obviously self interest and not being tied down and pulled into drama but have to wonder if at least a little is also seeing Joe getting shit, given he’s actuallly been quote retweeted plus I’m sure DMd and thus dragged into it, and wanting to unofficially set the record straight re no cheating

R316 the thing is, they’re not emotionally stunted, they’re 17. They’re still dickheads but they also have no life experience and are still going through pubity. Some of the JoeBash specific fans do appear to middle aged women who got off on the idea of two young gay men together and I’d agree that seems stunted, I’d put that down to lonely delusions.

R317 so true. His Bill of health would be spotless. The idea that joe posted a guy that he paid is so laughable and judgmental.

R319 to be honest even for 17 year olds if you haven’t realized some people are introverts and some are extroverts and being outgoing has nothing to do with being kind, you’re a bit stunted. But yeah I meant more the people actively taking sides who seem older.

Also regarding a guy Joe paid, no shame in the sex worker grind, but it’s a little comical how much these women miss the important fact that Joe is absurdly gay hot. If Nick is into twinks as others social media stalking suggests, I’m sure he was horny for Joe as soon as he saw him even without the HS connection. There’s a reason bash was obsessed for as long as he was. Joe has 0 need to pay anyone

R318 Someone asked him what he was doing in Joe's stories too. Whatever, Joe was single and can do what he wants, but probably one of those moments he shows his young age a bit. Like he used to tweet and delete in the past, though obviously not the same thing. Probably should have avoided posting the pic with Nick in it. Though it gave me dumped and see who I'm fucking now vibes but that's my own projection and pettiness and something I'd do.

R321 Joe did not tag OF Nick. Only a portion of his head was visible in it. And only the obsessed fans managed to track it back to that head being OF Nick's. So how exactly is this him being petty? He would have been way more obvious if he wanted to be petty or show off someone.

R320 I was absolutely not trying to shame anyone for paying or doing sex work. My point aligns with yours - Joe doesn’t need to pay, and also definitely wouldn’t post a guy he was paying in his stories.

Why do women find it so difficult to understand how hot Joe is? Het standards of attractiveness are so boring. Well, more for the boys I guess

R321 not trying to come at you but I always think this “shows his age” stuff is weird because… yeah, a bit, he’s 19. If the pettiest thing the average 19 year old did was show a sliver of a new hookups face in an IG story to show his ex and friends he’s coping with the breakup teenagers would not have such an immature reputation. none of us know the facts including me, and unless he did it in a really dickish way which I doubt, bash doing the dumping wouldn’t make him a bad guy. But I don’t think “you dumped me and I’m fine” is overly immature or something he necessarily needs to regret. he might because he seems sweet and somewhat anxious, but I don’t think it seemed vindictive or inappropriate

R324 first post break up post gotta be with a mate, at any age. It’s the gay rules

R323 oh I wasn’t implying you were. More that people on Twitter are definitely implying that either Nick is using Joe which is weird, or that Joe is “losing his mind” and paying Nick, which is even weirder. Joe is fucking gorgeous in the face, has a hot accent and amazing personality, and has always given me the vibes that he’s the best and most adventurous in bed of the lot. But even with none of that, if he just posted faceless grindr pics of his smooth perfect chest and amazing fuckable ass, I can’t imagine any man who is into twinks not being immediately into it

My autocorrect fucked me there - first post has to be with a HOT mate. Gay rule

R321 Nah I agree. I just think people expect him and Kit to be perfect all the time forgetting they are teenagers. I know 30 year olds who are messier online than Joe is. Like I said, I'd be messier than him and I'm 10 years older. Didn't really mean he's being immature. Hard to explain exactly what I mean so I'll stop trying. Don't think Bash or Joe are really at fault for relationship at their fault falling apart. It's what happens to them.

R328 At their AGE since apparently I'm messy and can't type either

literally UNLESS Joe cheated and did the dumping which seems extremely unlikely given both the facts and everything else about him, the reaction that he must be to blame must be so painful and I hope he isn’t aware of it. Losing your first love fucking sucks, and I say this as someone whose first relationship was only 6 months and seemingly way less committed. To not only have everyone know what’s going on but to have everyone blame you and act like you’re making a mistake, regardless of whether or not it was in part your decision but especially if it wasn’t, seems excruciating

R326 gottcha. Just further proof anyway that actual queer male culture is a total mystery to the pretend queer fans (I know I’m being a dick, I’m sure 10s of them are actually queer).

If Joe’s arse or chest were on Grindr I’d lose my mind ngl. So fucking hot

R328 I get what I think you’re saying, which is not per se that joes behaviour is bad or something to be chastised but given that he seems to regret some of even the innocuous impulsive things he does like the tweet and deleting, he might in the future regret something like posting his hookup and causing Steph to unfollow even if his behaviour is technically not something to reproach. Which I get, as I said he does seem a little anxious. But I will say if anyone long term judges or dislikes him for wanting to rebound and being fairly subtle but not completely under the radar about it, they fucking suck. It’s hard to blame bash’s sister for being a loyal sibling and having people including us stalking her Profile, but admittedly her unfollow has brought a lot more Heat on Joe than I think is deserved

i know this is shitty because she's just being a good sibling and not posting 'fuck joe' with an unfollow. so sorry, i'm just being an asshole but i'm returning DL to its bitchy roots. but does bash's sister actually work, or does she just live in and renovate an expensive house bought with their dad's money and spite unfollow teenagers

R332 There you go, you can be my official idiot to normal person translator.

R333 She had a vegan company she started, not sure what's up with that family and starting food companies, and seems to do a lot of reno like you said. Apparently is now a Freelance Consultant. Basically she comes from a rich family and probably married rich so does whatever she wants.

R334 thanks for confirming my thinking which is that her job is "live off dad's money". and yes i am aware that i am being unfair and judgmental because i know nothing about their breakup and it's not weird or a sign of spite for her to unfollow her brother's ex.

Tbf it’s just about the quickest way to let diehard fans know they had broken up without them actually having to unfollow each other. Isn’t Doulla in PR? This is a total conspiracy, that I don’t believe it for a second. I’m just defending a rich girl’s right to run a vegan food companies and swan about her enormous house. I could only wish

R333 Did Joe go to her wedding with Bash? I asked that earlier but no one confirmed? Behold the fans reaction if Bash or Joe ever unfollow each other.

R250 I haven't seen either but asked a friend who has seen both and has no real strong feelings on them, he likes them both clearly as he went to both plays but my mentioning it was the first he heard of the breakup. He said being as objective as possible, Bash was a little better in the play but gave a lot of caveats. He thought the script, staging, other actors, and directing were all way way better in 4000 miles than in the Trials. Said Joe was the only thing in the Trials that really elevated the play above GCSE levels and leaving the theatre he heard other adult non Heartstopper fans say the same and call Joe the standout. Said that Joe had a much smaller role in the Trials with much weaker writing. Thought Bash was a lot better than he thought he'd be based on Heartstopper and did a really good job, but said if forced gun to head to choose someone who did a better job it would still be Eileen. Doesn't think it'll get kicked over to West End but thinks it was a very high quality off West End play.

R337 yeah, he did after only a few months of dating which is sort of crazy. I do feel for joe losing a boyfriend but also the people he lives with and his full adult support system in london.

R334 tbh starting your own company young is generally yet another sign of family money. his brother's seems actually very successful and he clearly works hard so good for him tho. his sister, didn't even know she had a company but maybe it's good.

r336 again i'm just being a dick, just hate that the narrative has become "she unfollowed thus joe is wrong" as if she wouldn't have unfollowed or even blocked immediately post breakup if joe had actually done something legit bad. Still interested in whoever unfollowed Bash on finsta. the timing is too perfect for it to not be someone joe related imo

The Mum’s are still following (presumably Doulla is). I’m sure it’s sad for everyone that they’ve broken up but most adults would see it as between them, and probably, because of circumstance wait awhile to unfollow or just stay connected. Can’t be totally unexpected that two young men with very busy, internationally based careers couldn’t make it work. Bash’s sister probably got in her feels about the Nick post or something on his finsta where he looked like he was having too much fun. Loyalty rears its head even when no one is in the wrong. I saw Tom and Zendaya mentioned upthread. Their Mum’s and friends all had go refollow when they got back together (I got really into that drama for awhile and honestly I hadn’t even known they were together for years before they got back together).

r340 you're not wrong. especially since given bash was spotted in some random ass country store presumably with her the weekend joe posted and his sister unfollowed. If he was understandably bitching in a way everyone does about their ex just to vent, i get it's natural for a sister to go 'fuck him, i don't want to see this' and unfollow. as others have said if he really fucked bash over in some way or honestly even if it was just a really bad breakup, she'd block him. and other of bash's friends would definitely unfollow.

Anyway, on more important topics. His jawline and overall bone structure are so fucking good.

R339 I know this has been stated here before but Bash’s brother is insanely hot. Not my type at all (Joe is) but he just seems like he’d been a lot of fun to fuck around with. Just something about him

R341 He was spotted in Frampton Mansell and it was several days after her unfollowing

R344 didn't she unfollow that Sunday? and he was spotted there that Sunday or Monday. thought it was fairly back to back. Also idk where Frampton Mansell is or where she lives. Either way even if not with him physically literally everything else I said still holds, that it's natural to bitch about your ex after a breakup no matter what happened even if they didn't fuck you over, that it's natural for a sister to get defensive and up in arms, and that absent more dramatic shit happening post breakup it seems like the only drama is hurt feelings rather than any actually bad conduct

okay i just checked past threads, she unfollowed him presumably tuesday night (seems like people realised it first thing weds) and bash was at wherever that place was on monday. so my bad there

R342 agree with regard to more important hotness topics. though not shutting down those that want to discuss it - knock yourself out.

Because Muriel makes me sign in again every so often my settings were all fucked up so it took me ages to realise that R1 (Joe’s underrated hot theatre selfie) had been FFed into oblivion. So here it is again for your viewing pleasure

r347 that's criminal. joe's perfect lips should not be ff'd ever even by the DL people who hate this thread. My favourite joe look ever

The second joe posted those stories I knew his sister would unfollow.

Still can't believe his bath video got overshadowed

R348 weird desire to lick his neck every time I see those photos

R349 his own fault for posting the top of OF Nick’s head. One type of sluttiness overshadowed by presumed physical sluttiness

r349 i think people were shocked either because they were in denial (twitter) and presumed the unfollow implied fault, r because it seemed so clear bash did the dumping (here) and thus it was expected his family would be laidback and ignore whatever joe posted

But the bath video was hot. i need joe to keep his nipples in frame in the future. He is so fucking hot to me it's insane, i would be salivating in real life

Going to throw out a 100% wrong - like 0 proof, indication, similarities, or even belief it's right - random theory. Thinking back to the Joe and Jordan Fisher mutual follow a while back, wondering if he read for whatever part Miles ended up getting. I'd say Hulkling but even less in common there. But black, slim, taller than Joe, passably a teen - I can see how they'd go for the same part.

R351 he is unacceptably shy about his nipples at the moment

R351 Wouldn't doubt it was the sex worker aspect,. They obviously broke up in the middle of the month and there was no unfollowing. Though unclear why Joe just archived (or deleted) two pics on his finsta. Assuming it's over over now. Maybe before it was a maybe they'll work it out when he gets home thing so she waited.

And if everyone else figured out that was Nick, you know Bash did. If Joe hadn't posted him I'd guess she'd still follow. I think her following Kit also put her on my bad side (I'm sure she cares) since it just added to the drama of obviously everyone is against Joe. I'm assuming she's unaware how crazy HS fans are though.

r354 since we're all projecting, i'll add my own. If bash did in fact end it or it was mutual but he instigated it (and i lean that way because i think if it was all at joe's urging he 1. wouldn't have rolled into the play in bash's clothes and with his best friend, 2. wouldn't publicly rebound), i don't doubt there was at least some anger or upset and lashing out from joe. no shade, literally no one reacts all too kindly to being broken up with. if it went from that anger to rebounding fast, she might have just been pissed off about how fast it changed even though that's very typical and not weird.

Forgot she followed Kit - actually that makes me think all the more that she was with bash when she unfollowed, and into the next day when he was spotted, since it would be random to know who kit was for 2 years and never follow and then follow him without meeting him.

R354 I see your point but I do think it was less of a “fuck you” and more of likely she met Kit that night at the play and thought he was lovely. Her being salty over Joe having fun in NYC with an OF model makes perfect sense, and agree with majority that it was that (and possibly some finsta stories) that made her say fuck it. Gotta say, because of the level of shit Bash has got for dating Joe, I think she’s fully aware how crazy the fans are. As I said, I think it was a salty move but not based on anything particularly dramatic, but she knew what she was doing

Just given how things worked out I'm assuming it was a yeah, let's break up but not really and we can talk when you get home. We were on a break.gif. Since sending Joe back to the US after dumping him is just Ben Hope level shithead and have a hard time seeing Bash doing that. Or they just had a random fight that kept getting worse. Joe was in the UK the first week/end of May but didn't start wildling out until the middle of the month.

Again, assuming shit since know nothing.

R356 I def don't htink she's some poor clueless woman who didn't know what it would look like. Though she has a right to have zero loyalty to Joe and doesn't have to keep the peace if she doesn't want to.

Bash could’ve asked his sister to stay out of it and not do anything that could draw attention to the situation.

r356 I actually think that's an interesting point. I doubt she was actively thinking "fuck joe he gets blamed" in hitting unfollow, but i do think there's a decent chance she thought once the breakup was public she definitely didn't want bash getting blamed or the narrative to be that joe fucked him over.

r357 Joe was in england till may 8, he posted and deleted the slut story may 12 so quick turnaround. I actually think they probably did end it while joe was there, but maybe some of the fallout and hurt feelings didnt pop up in the immediate aftermath but came up instead in the few weeks following. even if bash ended it, suggested it, was mutual in it, i'm sure there's a bit of offended feelings that come with joe rebounding within 2 weeks, even if joe has every right to do so and there's nothing wrong with it

R358 Some of you are really exaggerating the importance of a couple twitter fraus. No one even knew they were dating (in the grand scheme of things). I’m pretty sure almost no one in the fandom knows who Bash’s sister is. She did not think about all that nonsense because she doesn’t care. I know no one wants to admit it but maybe Joe’s IG stories hurt Bash and she reacted the way any sibling would. Let’s remember that Joe isn’t on twitter and Bash is barely on the app so I doubt they even saw all that was said.

R359 Actually you are right since I didn't think of travel time and all. Right after Joe went to the play he put up an story showing him leaving, which everyone dismissed as an old story, but yeah... probably was not a good visit and there was no fucking on the rug., or maybe there was. Guess we'll never know.

r360 yeah i think neither joe nor bash could be in the wrong for ending it, whoever did, but there can of course be hurt feelings surrounding the ending. eg and these are both speculative, joe's ig stories quickly rebounding in a new city could hurt. or for joe feeling blindsided by a breakup could hurt. it sucks that bash's sister being a loyal sibling has been taken to mean joe fucked up but i also can't fault her for being ride or die. same way whoever unfollowed bash (guessing joe's family or a close friend) doesn't mean bash fucked up, just people are loyal to those they're closest to and get upset on their behalf

r361 my theory i refuse to let go of is bash knew he was on the fence about it or wanted to end it and the visit he couldn't hide it, probably because joe wanted to fuck. which also checks with people saying he wouldn't be enough of a dick to end it before joe went back to finish filming. doubt it was his first choice but if he felt his options were fuck joe knowing he wanted to break up or call it off, calling it off was better.

R360 you’re not wrong, and I’m usually one of the first to dismiss the literal handfuls of ‘fans’ left on hstwt. I guess I think Bash has copped so much shit in the past that he’d know what was going on. I don’t disagree that Joe’s story possibly hurt Bash - who isn’t hypersensitive to ex’s posts on Insta after a break-up? Whole thing a bit messy but not such a way that the sister’s unfollow represents Joe doing anything particularly egregious. But you’re right that’s it’s probably time to retire conversation about Twitter as who gives a fuck. One last thing… because I’m a messy bitch I checked the big accounts like the Kit obsessed fake lesbian and they’re ignoring it all together

If my ex took, and I use took loosely since I don't think think they went there together technically, his new hook up to NY where I had previously taken my boyfriend I'd probably whine and call him a bitch too even if I had ended it, so I can see why Steph unfollowed personally.

Gotta disagree with those who think they would have had trouble having sex on break up weekend. Once the decision was made, angry, fuck you, I still love some parts of you, we’ll never do this again, break-up sex is some of the best in a relationship (and ex-sex is some of the worst - something they should keep in mind).

r365 to be clear i think post breakup sex is one thing, have done it multiple times. i think "i know i'm going to dump you in a month and am just fucking you now and pretending it's ok" sex would be fucked up. and i think bash is a nice guy and wouldn't do that

R366 yeah, my judgement being clouded by my inability to understand how someone wouldn’t want to fuck Joe under any circumstance at all. But, you’re right, it would be a dick move to fuck before the break up and Bash seems like a lovely guy. I hope they had an opportunity to have excellent post break-up sex before Joe left though

I want to see Joe in a dark comedy. I think he would eat it up. Kit already done horror, so just waiting for that to come out. Kit in peril and distress could be a fun watch.

I’d like to see Kit play an arsehole. The way Hugh Grant has played funny sleazy before. Having him play the absolute opposite of the perfect boyfriend would be fantastic. I’d like to see Joe is a period romance. I know we’ve already seen him in romance but Charlie is the adorable twinky teen. I’d like to see him in an adult one. I’ve just accepted that unless something significantly changes about how much Joe passes it’s very unlikely he will be cast straight (not that he couldn’t do it - just unlikely to be cast).

r369 what excites me about joe (nonsexually, everything about joe excites me sexually) is he is an incredible nonverbal actor, films beautifully with his cheekbones and jawlines, and every gay period piece is oscar bait. if he got in some verlaine and rimbaud or bright star, gay edition period piece he could get amazing critical feedback

I can picture Joe in a reimagined adaptation of Rebecca.

R369 Realistically, they won't hit their prime until they're in their mid-20s. After CMBYN, Timothée did a few good roles but he got Dune only recently, when he was 26. I'm excited to see them mature and become their own person. Take some risks, etc. Hopefully, Marvel will let Joe take some fun roles in between filming.

R372 I think a lot of Marvel cast have opportunities because their are actually big gaps between the movies they are needed for (exception being the two big finales which I think we’re filmed pretty close together over two years). Joe’s complication is depending on when Agatha is released next year, he could literally only have small breaks between promoting and filming HS, promoting Agatha and then promoting S3 HS. Hopefully ending the HS madness there

didn't realise alice had posted some s2 comic strips to say how excited she was to see them for s3. she is really urging for s4. firstly do think joe and kit would be up for it out of loyalty. secondly think it makes the whole "cast and alice will be team bash" idea which i already found dumb even more implausible. no one would think less of joe for ending the show to do marvel and other projects after s3. if they "took his ex's side" and alienated joe, that would be fine for him and kit and for literally no one else. it serves every other person's best interests to be neutral, nice, and sympathetic to joe. which i expect they were as his mates and for purely friendship and non career reasons anyway, but nice to top it off.

R373 The reason why I don't want S4 is because I can't deal with Alice and her Puritan view of gay men. She equates Nick and Charlie to cute puppies and cute mermaids when they are two queer men with sexual desires and needs. I understand that this is a show for kids but she cannot have them only hold hands and kiss for 4 seasons long and think this is 'good' representation. Especially, when the actors are starting to look like men and not teens. And it's not even about wanting a sex scene, but just wanting an accurate depiction of gay/bi men and how they interact with one another. It's not just rainbows and cute romantic bullshit.

Alice is writing about Nick and Charlie having in volume 5. It’s the Patreon comments I’m more worried about where some people keep saying they feel like they’re invading on the couple’s privacy. Super annoying when Alice clearly wants her heroes to have sex.

Nick and Charlie are having sex in volume 5. And not just on one occasion. Question is how they’re going to keep the PG-14 rating for season 3 which covers events in volume 5.

I see Bash liked new twink friend’s latest thirst trap post on insta.

The Dexter Fletcher event Kit went to was pretty well-attended, Taron was there. As was Rami Malek. Kit steered clear of cameras, but you can see him in the background of pictures (like here, on the left).

R378 Who?

R380

R381 Bash sure has a type lol but he's hot so I'm all for it.

Bash going for an immediate Joe replacement. At least Joe went for someone completely unlikely Bash. Let's see who can out rebound each other. So far Joe is winning.

R383 Joe seems to be more open compared to Bash with his specific type. There's a reason why Joe looks a lot like his previous ex.

R381 Wow he’s gorgeous

Why do I feel Charlie’s type is not Bash, but more like Joe’s fling Nick?

R386 I'm going to need them to get new flings with different names because for a second I forgot new twink's name was Charlie and thought you were talking about Joe.

He sure is a pretty boy. R386 who knows but his ex is an otter.

R387 fucking confusing / absolutely hilarious

His ex was hot too. Probably doesn't matter since the guy lives in the US.

I'd guess Bash will go have some fun after his play is over.

R387 Yes, please. I can't deal with Nick and Charlie.

R390 It's fucking hilarious. If they decide to go as them for Halloween, I will have a breakdown.

To be a cute twink exchanging dick pics with Sebastian…

Let’s see if Bash flies to NYC as soon as the play is done.

R381 Surely the problem can't be the distance since Bash's new babe is living away. I'm confused. Maybe he's just admiring from afar.

What I'm most interested in, apart from Joe getting new dick, is if his dynamic will change with the cast. I feel like he probably fell back on his relationship with Bash a lot, and with him being single now we may see him more with the rest of the cast.

Battle of the thirst follows for the next few weeks. Might be in USA but you never know - who would have predicted that Joe would in up in NYC with a hook up. I’m not putting anything past these two.

Tbf Kit likes thirst posts of the girls he follows and I don’t think anyone thinks he’s immediately trying to fuck them (though, who knows)

I would love to see Bash have a slut summer but he seems too discreet for that. But then again he is a Sagittarius. I guess time will tell.

R396 We're all just gossiping, who knows really. But the rebounds are hot so I hope they're having some fun.

R396 It'll depend on frequency, I think. If Bash starts liking all of his posts then it's something to keep an eye out on. Kit's only liked one or two posts each from the girls he followed most recently (but mostly they're no-gos because they have boyfriends).

R399 I thought they were school friends? R397 Sagittarius men are wild and he's newly single and it's the summertime. Things could get interesting.

R400 The ones that are school friends are the ones that have locked accounts, so we have no clue what he is or isn't liking there.

R399 Oh, Kit is following a lot of pretty girls. Haven't noticed that. Maybe he's having a different type of slut era (no shame)

R39 he'll have a slutty summer but someone will see him with a girl and send it to deuxmoi

I want to know when he'll de-Joe his IG/finsta. don't tell me you don't go some cheesy couple pics on your finsta bash. Maybe next week

R402 he also seems to have a pretty strong type (when it comes to women)

I think it's safe to say Bash's next boyfriend will look like Joe and be less famous than himself. Kit needs to give us some more details on what he likes in men.

R395 A bit interesting since he's been dating Bash as long as they've known him. I could see him getting closer to some of them, not that he isn't, but just because Bash won't be there there'll be more chances to hang out with other people. The summer of Tobie and Joe whoring it up please.

Frankly I’m only interested in Joe living his main character life. I’m not as invested in what Bash does moving forward.

R404 The only thing I could probably say isn't Kit's type is blondes, but even then I'm not sure because he's also followed blondes? I guess at the end of the day I don't think this recent batch of girls wound up being thirst follows, to be honest. He doesn't interact very frequently with the accounts. Plus, Maia and Sof are pretty different-looking beyond the brunette thing (different hair textures, Maia is much lighter than Sof, and so on). I fuck around saying that Kit's type in guys is thin and curly hair, but that's also making suppositions beyond the guy he checked out at that market that one time. Bash is the only one with an established extremely distinct type.

R406 Same.

Considering Joe looks a lot like Bash’s ex James and this new guy does as well I’m curious when Bash developed this specific type in men LOL

R405 Yep, definitely not trying to imply he isn't close to them already, just that there's more space for them to become closer without him being paired up and defaulting to hanging out with Bash. I could see him being folded in pretty quickly into the Kit/Will/Tobie group, maybe hanging out more with Yaz.

R409 Yaz would take him to some good parties. And the Will/Kit/Tobie group already excludes Bash (sorry Bash), so it's not like they have to stop inviting him.

R406 I’m on the other spectrum extreme nosy in what Sebastian will get up to both privately and professionally.

R411 Well he’s a social butterfly and a Sag so I’m intrigued. I’m also interested in what Bash will get up to because he’s such a mystery to me sometimes. I’m guessing he’ll go to Japan again at one point.

R407 I kind of stopped paying attention to his likes on those girls’s accounts once I realized nothing was going on there, but while I was occasionally checking he was liking Conan Grey’s posts more frequently than any of theirs, FWIW.

R411 I'm curious if he gets any big role soon or he just stays kinda is C?-list in London. and maybe even fades a bit since he's not hanging with Joe.

Also really curious if he promotes HS much. I'm assuming that dies down quite a bit.

I’m sure he’ll just keep doing his thing, he’s still very young and seems to enjoy whatever life throws at him.

Seeing him in Japan this summer would be cool.

R264 “This tweet is from an account that no longer exists.” Good riddance!

How do you keep track on these twitter accounts and why do you? They just seem to be in their little bubble in the first place. Maybe I’m just old and don’t understand.

Nosey about them separately because I have different expectations. I think Joe will go messy (in a fun way) and probably get thrown around by some older (late 20s) hairy built guys for awhile. I know he’s not Sag (loving the DL horoscope crowd) but 19/20 and single for the first time as an adult is a recipe for a wild summer.

I see Bash kinda having a series of more “Is he dating them” posts with curly haired twinks while travelling around and being a bit fucking fabulous. Messy but in a rich way. I wonder if Bash will be one of those guys where he gets older but the twinks don’t

R417 They pop up frequently in the searches if you look up Joe Locke or Sebastian Croft or whatever. Some accounts more than others, that Shay weirdo is always in Joe's searches fighting with someone.

Only one person has enjoyed the perks of Bash’s third leg these past two years. I’m sure he’ll have a great summer. And yes I can see Joe partying a lot. Hopefully Kit hooks up with guys this summer instead of getting a new girlfriend.

R417 JoeBashcandies is a notorious straight woman fetishising young gay men creep.

Seems her whole point of existence on Twitter has gone - RIP from no one

R421 She’s also really homophobic about lesbians. Shit human being overall judging by the shit she says online.

A Joe, Kit, Will, Yaz and Tobie party group sounds like lots of fun.

Found new pictures of Joe, I think. From today (via Facebook):

[quote]Nearly jumped out of my barstool at Del Bar this afternoon when I noticed we were sitting next to actor Joe Locke from Heartstopper. He was the sweetest. Love his show/series so much. If you haven’t watched it, you should! @heartstoppertv @joelocke03 @baker80 — in Atlanta, GA

Second picture.

R425 He's looking so good. In the words of Joe/Bash shippers, he seems to be glowing. The break up seems to have done him good.

Agree with R426, he looks really good. Fresh-faced, no signs of stress, and glowing. So who took that second picture?

Two years is so long when you’re young but they’ll both get over it and move on. It feels good to close a chapter when it isn’t working. I can see them being friends down the line like Connor and Miles are now.

R427 think it would be sad to limit the fiction about the possible photographer to OF Nick. I say another ALT gay. That bar seems to have date venue written all over it…

I love when lurkers give themselves away. "On FB" when they had been up for 4 hours but you found them 6 minutes after they were posted on DL.

Corrected link.

R430 We 100% picked up more lurkers after Hoodiegate. Unfortunately, they’re basically the most annoying people from Twitter. As long as they don’t start posting.

R424 also like to call this as the beginning of Joe’s era as gay for the gay girls. Once Agatha is out I expect 20% of his fanbase to look like these lovely women (100% making all the assumptions HS ‘teaches’ us not to make…)

R432 they definitely do until the thread closes but I think they have been drowned out a bit because there are actually things for us to talk about, so their inanity is ignored

Someone be brave and ask her who he was with

I keep scrolling back up to look at how happy he looks in R425.

R433 Anecdotal, but my bisexual, not-particularly-femme sister loves Joe and Kit. She finds them adorable. I’m with you, wouldn’t be surprised if Joe picks up more of those fans with Agatha.

He's obviously fine and looks great. First big breakups are hard, but he's been living without Bash for 6 months already. His day to day life isn't changing any.

Here's the source the pics. kinda funny it's a real estate page

[quote]His day to day life isn't changing any.

I wouldn't say that...

R436 oh, my token lesbian friends love them too. One of them is convinced both would be pass around party bottoms if they weren’t under so much scrutiny. You can’t talk her down from it, no matter how many times I told her Joe was in a LTR

R438 Honestly I'm more interested in other dicks. No shame to sex work, but Joe deserved more attention.

Now to see if he stays much longer in ATL. The wrap party was pretty late yesterday, so not too surprised he's still there, though I could see him sticking around Nick's dick for a bit. IOM doesn't sound like the most thrilling place in the world, even compared to Atlanta.

R439 Have you kept her updated about the breakup and OF guy?

R440 I’m assuming he’s going to need time to pack his stuff up, especially if he’s doing it on his own.

R441 tbh her interest is limited to saying “oh those cute bottoms from that little show. They’ll get it - just wait” whenever they come up.

Joe gives me extreme non-PG cute aggression. like in that little mermaid hoodie story. He is so fucking cute and likable but also so so hot

i'm anticipating that Bash gets into another relationship with a Joe lookalike fairly fast and - no offense to him - recycles his playbook. buys him nice jewelry, introduces him to the family, gives him his clothing. we'll see, i could be totally wrong, but wouldn't be shocked if that was the case by late fall

Just like how the Paris scenes will remind me of Kit with Maia, ACOC will remind me of Joe and OF Nick. Of course it’s all based on nothing but vague pictures.

I need to see him whore around a bit first. But yes James - Joe - how funny would it be if his future boyfriend’s name also stars with a J.

R443 right there with you. The things I’d like to do….

R444 I agree overall. Summer full of pretty brunette twinks, until one shows up more and more in posts and is cemented as new boyfriend. Bash seems to love to love. It’s a nice quality

R447 every time I see him I think about how lucky Bash, and I guess now OF Nick, are to eat his ass and fuck him. It is genuinely my dream. Something about him just does it for me.

It's funny how in the early days of the cast on DL the thinking was Bash was way too hot for Joe and would break his heart. Now the impression is that maybe Bash did the breaking up but it's Joe who "lost" less or could do better, and has more people on here attracted to him. I like both so I think they were a nice, hot couple but will find more compatible people, but the change is funny.

I wonder if Joe is a size queen by default now. Everything after Bash must feel small.

I had wondered if Joe had gained a little weight or filled out in the past few months. It's hard to tell definitely and he'd still be a total twink either way but it looks like from these photos its a no. Hes fucking tiny. He looks like so much fun to fuck against a wall or throw around.

R449 It feels like a lot of the Bash fans disappeared. I'm surprised by how dead his thread is, especially since the discussions about him in the HS threads are increasingly more and more about him in relation to Joe than anything else.

R449 Joe went from being Bash’s nobody boyfriend who hung around him and Connor to eclipsing both of them in the span of a year.

Bash is my type but I’ve always liked Mediterranean guys with his look. They were cute together but it’ll be fun seeing them as single men.

What if Joe was looking a little down on set and someone introduced him to OF Nick. Maybe Marvel prefers their leading men happy.

R449 DL already had a very established Bash fan group, I think that was a factor originally.

R450 he’s going to be a hard man to satisfy for sure

R451 I definitely think he’s filled out. He’s always had pretty nice shoulders for his build but it looks like his chest is broader. Looking forward to some slutty photoshoots

R452 I do wonder if part of that is his appeal changing too though. Firstly, and I say this as someone who finds Joe easily the hottest HS guy, he is not the most photogenic and his pre show photos did not showcase how hot he is. He's gotten way better photo-wise recently but also think seeing him onscreen and seeing his charisma helped. Secondly 19 year old Bash filming HS was firmly in twink category, whereas less so now. people who were really into him in the initial threads might not be, or might even prefer joe now.

I admit to really liking them together and being a little sad about their breakup but if it was going to happen either way, it's for the best it's pre s3 and they have time to move on before working together again

I look forward to Sebastian growing up and hopefully becoming more of an otter. They’re all attractive to me in their own ways but I’m drawn to him the most, besides looks he has a very positive and enigmatic personality which I like.

R455 I think the gay bar meeting seems the most likely story. Aubrey was at one around the time Joe followed him. I'd guess Nick hit on him the second he saw him

And I still like Bash but he's kinda boring.

Can see Bash going for someone who won't eclipse him career wise in the long run next as that does appear to be a sore point for him.

And can see Joe going for someone non famous for his next relationship.

r459 always like when men show good sense. by which i mean absolutely propositioning joe as soon as you see him.

They’re all pretty boring these days and show next to no personality on their social media accounts. Bash seems like the most fun out of the bunch to me and he’s very social.

r460 I think it'll be hard for Joe as unless he moves to the US full time, which I guess is possible but seems not his thing, his home base will be different from where he's working while he's with Marvel. Bash I think will probably stick in England for work for a while, so dating someone non famous or less famous is easy.

Why do some of you think Bash will get into a serious relationship right away and not Joe? Is it cause Joe will be more busy as compared to Bash?

I will say, with the caveat that we don't know them and blah blah blah, I think Joe would have no problem being in a relationship with someone else who is famous, even someone more famous than him, if his friendship with Kit is indicative of anything.

R464 Joe's younger and hasn't had the time or space to take advantage of how hot and wanted he is since the show came out, so I think people want him to enjoy that a little.

R452 I think a lot of the Bash fans are here, they really only go over there to bitch about the Twitter girls on this thread (fairly) but come back to discuss his dick (which is great). The Bash fans who judged this thread as all frau do seem to have fucked off altogether which is nice - and I assume the Bash thread Joe hating troll is currently suffering an identity crisis

R465 Agree. Plus, Bash was more known than him for a considerable chunk of their relationship.

You just know Sebastian is the type of boyfriend who will make you and your friends laugh like crazy and always feel at ease, then get really freaky with you behind closed doors.

R465 This. Joe appears to be someone who is very secure in himself if we go by how he's constantly out there hyping Kit and won't have any issues dating someone who is more popular than him. Can't say the same about Bash.

r464 based on not much, tbh. just seems like a relationship guy. and often the person who rebounds first (Joe) is not the first one to actually date someone else. I think Bash will have a more stable place of living, England and specifically London, for a few years than Joe, who will be dividing time between England and America; Bash may well have work lined up for the fall but we know for a fact Joe will be busy through December filming HS3 which doesn't give him relationship time; and at least I am still under the impression Bash actually ended it and thus was a little more checked out of the relationship and ready to move on.

r465 I agree but think the main thing at this point is actually i can't think of anyone relatively within joe's age bracket he'd date who would be more famous than him except kit, ironically, which is not happening for a variety of obvious reasons.

R467 I expected that troll to fly into these threads in celebratory glee, wonder what happened?

total respect to everyone who is saying they think Bash has the best personality, i find him likable and to each their own, but I find joe to be funnier and more charismatic. there's a reason when people meet the cast, especially other people in media, they seem really struck by him and Kit, I think their in person charisma and appeal carries it for them. either way both seem great and will have 0 issues in the gay scene

R464 joe has just has always given off a pretty slutty vibe to me. Massive flirt, cheeky as fuck, the kind of twink that’s catnip to a lot of us. Also, grew up somewhere small, went straight into a relationship, is finally free go fuck around - he’s got a lot bad behaviour to make up time on

Hopefully they’ll all stay single for a bit. I want to hear gossip about Bash spreading his seed all over London. But like someone said we’ll probably get a random Deux Moi story of someone seeing him hanging out with a girl.

R462 Bash seems too golden retriever-y for my liking. Joe and to a lesser extent Kit have shown a bitchier edge that appeals to me more.

R471 'which is not happening for a variety of obvious reasons' Never say never. After the recent turn of events, we never know what might happen. Joe and Kit getting into a relationship isn't that far-fetched as some make it out to be.

Summer deliance 2.0 for Joe. I think it'll be a bit before he actually gets into another relationship. Bash will find a new joe clone first. Watch his sisters ig follows for twinks.

And yeah agree Bash seems almost too nice. I need some spice

r477 i guess i'm not saying never but i'm definitely saying not right now, doubt either is messy enough to do that while still filming hs. though i guess you never know

R477 joe and bash breaking up killed joe and Kit relationship dreams. They aren't total morons.

i think bash is really nice but i do think he is capable of meanness or bitchiness. Maybe i'm just a cynic but i have a hard time believing anyone is that enthusiastic and upbeat and excited all the time. If he is, though, not to make a teenage breakup a tragedy, but it probably sucked for Joe to feel being the focus of all that enthusiasm and adoration shifting or diminishing while he was away. not saying it's anyone's fault, just a shitty situation

R477 The biggest road block for that happening would be that they wouldn’t want to do that to Bash, who Kit is also close to. Maybe in a year or two once things have settled and Kit has potentially drifted a little from Bash.

R476 Kit is definitely more edgy than his major stans would like. he and Joe are quite cheeky with each other.

R477 unfortunately, even if a grower, Kit hasn’t really shown any evidence of having a big enough dick to meet Joe’s probable expectations

Isn’t Joe more or less a clone of James? I wonder in turn who James could be a clone of.

If Joe was even 2 or 3 years older I can see him having some famous rebound fucks, if he's their type. I do think some of them would feel weird about fucking a 19 year old.

r484 timothee chalamet. Bash has been insanely into him since CMBYN

R480 The idea of Joe becoming single making it less likely that Joe goes on to date someone else is kind of funny. But yeah, if it were to happen I would imagine it would be a scenario like R482, especially since there are subtle signs of Kit (and Tobie and Will) drifting from Bash already. They have at least one more season of making out and acting like they're in love with each other, so we'll see.

r486 what are the signs? idt they're team bash or whatever, but they did JUST go to his play

R483 Kit can always just whip his shirt off and his muscled chest and the hair would do it for Joe.

R487

R486 wss too lazy to explain but yeah

An awkward break up between two coworkers would kill my desire to date my coworker. Kit also already has that shit with Maia. Maybe in 5 years

Yeah they went to see 4000 Miles and Bash’s sister followed Kit, no idea if she was there that night as well.

Kit seems to be fine with Maia. No friend/family unfollows, no picture deletions, and he’s still on her finsta. An extremely amicable breakup, the upside of something that was never serious.

R489 Legit wonder what was up with Bash or what he was doing. Not like he was spending time with Joe. Just some signs he was pulling away in general. Though this all speculation since that's what we do.

R492 He even liked her cringey posts to her new boyfriend. Joe and Bash could never.

For the record, it's entirely possible to not be as close to someone as you once were and continue to be supportive of them. Alice also went to see 4000 Miles, and I don't think anyone would argue that she's as close to Bash as she was a year ago. Kit also didn't follow Bash's sister back. At the end of the day, all of this is conjecture, but I thought Bash's absence from the group hangs was pretty notable.

Time will tell I suppose, they all seem to love Bash.

r494 never say never. joe might be liking some ode to the next curly haired twink by 2024

Many are writing off Joe and Kit getting into a relationship, the same way many were swearing up and down that Joe and Bash would never break up before the completion of Heartstopper. Let's see what happens.

And about them doing things 'out of respect' for Bash won't come into play if they drift off and if Bash gets written off next season.

Bash jumping from one clone to another without any break says so much about him. But you'll still see obsessive shippers claim that Joe is the one to be blamed.

R497 I think he'd mute him before that. He won't ever unfollow him but nobody wants to watch your ex repeat the same shit he did with you.

R498 It would just be too weird at this point and would ruin their friendship. I've hooked up with friends before, but not friends who used to date my other friend. They are just better off not fucking sadly.

R498 Yeah, I think if I’m taking anything away from this past week is that anything could happen at this point. Would have laughed in your face if you had told me that Joe and Bash would break up and Joe would be in NYC with a new guy within a couple of weeks.

At this point both DL and Twitter are reading more into a (honestly, seemingly low key) breakup and what it means for Joe and Bash's character than I would guess even they are. Nothing about this entire thing has revealed any character flaws, lack of love, or lack of empathy from anything we have seen from either of them

imagine if joe had never posted the NYC stories/that DL user hadn't figured out the hoodie thing. The slow realisation joe and bash broke up would be mind blowing

R500 To add to this since I thought about it for a few minutes, if all of the HS cast wants to fuck and be messy as fuck then I'd be for it. It's more interesting than what Alice has written. In the end it's just sex and doesn't have to be a big deal.

R503 Think we would have figured it out when he didn't show up at Bash's last show and Joe deleting pics off his finsta, though I suppose people would say he was just with family or came up with some sort of cope.

r500 everyone has their playbook so i get bash will re-use his, but it does sort of bring me back to the comments people have made. that there's an impression Bash was the better boyfriend or more invested, and while i think he really loved joe a lot, he is generally exuberant and demonstrative, while joe is more low key but treated bash very differently to most other people and was extremely defensive of him. for both of them but especially joe yeah, it'll probably be weird deja vu to see one another's next relationships

We’d all still be here laughing at the people even suggesting that they had broken up (though to ourselves wondering where the fuck Joe’s rings are), and then closing night of the play all proven so so wrong.

R505 Actually I shouldn't shade Bash for repeating behavior when Joe's already clothes stealing. Too bad Nick is poor.

Agree with the rest too

r507 as someone who wants to fuck joe and is thus projecting, i insist on believing it's less joe clothes stealing and more that every man who ever has the immense privilege wants to leave their mark and gives him clothing to take. I wonder how they're going to handle giving one another's stuff back

R506 I'm kinda (sadly) proud I thought something was off in March

It would have been a slower vindication for me and the 2 other people who were getting off vibes from Joe and Bash for a while. I can't remember if it was on here or on Twitter that someone said that Bash looked really disinterested in that video of him and Joe out to lunch in Atlanta and everyone acted like they were reading too much into it.

My guess is that Joe not going to closing night (assuming he was back in the UK or on the IOM by then), would have led us to look around and realize that Bash's sister unfollowed Joe. What I'll always be curious about is if Bash realized that Joe was moving on from the 1/4 of head in that one Instagram Story, if Joe posted something more explicit about moving on on his finsta, or if the hoodie thing spread around enough that it got back to Bash and he realized it from that and then told his family.

R509 out of curiosity who did you think it was off with? Bash or Joe? i ask as someone who had zero clue and thought their little play reunion and joe's TS rings story was cute/typically clingy of them

r510 it's possible he posted something on his finsta but also seems likely to me that they noticed Joe was randomly in NY, saw the 1/4 head and his most recent follow and put it together. doubt the hoodie thing registered.

R511 Just that they spent so much time apart, which is not their usual MO

[quote] Do yall actually think Joe and Bash are still together? Not saying he can't vacation, but seems a bit weird to spend the time before his play in Japan, and seems like he's been there for an extended time, where the time difference is insane. As in it's midnight there and 10am in Atlanta. And it's gotta be close to their anniversary. With no sightings since Jan it does make it question things a bit. Not trying to troll. Just bored. I guess we'll never know until Joe get back to the UK.

Is what I asked. Though do agree I was fooled by the UK trip and thought all must be well.

Some seemed to think Bash looked disinterested here.

R503 I prefer the way it played out, to be honest. You could not have scripted a better reveal than hoodiegate. The DLer pointing the hoodies out, the short interlude of doubt on if they were really the same hoodie, and then the logo reveal.

r513 oh ok. Again I am likely just projecting, don't blame either but also think there's no way to know. But I do have a strong suspicion for some reason that Joe did not initiate the breakup, drifting was primarily from Bash's end, and that Joe was somewhat blindsided by it ending. Just because the Japan trip and the TS thing were both within Bash's "control" timing wise, and I really cannot fathom Joe bringing Lucy and wearing his boyfriend's stuff with the intention to dump his boyfriend that weekend.

r514 in retrospect i guess so though honestly it's so hard to read into such short snippets. COuld've been an overall fun visit where Bash was fully engrossed in what Joe said and that is just the few seconds he wasn't. but yeah in this context it looks off.

R514 In retrospect, probably not a great sign that a guy that is notorious for being a terrible texter was texting instead of paying attention to the boyfriend he's only seeing a couple of days of month if he's lucky.

R514 That's definitely I'm not paying attention but pretending I'm listening and interested in what you are saying Might have done it a few times

Again i find bash hot and all but my extreme joe bias and attraction means I am close to insane about some of this stuff and simply cannot imagine having joe in front of me and not staring and paying full attention.

If all this started back in March or earlier, it's kind of crazy that after about 2 years of being extremely attached, a little under two months was enough to change things for one of them. No judgment, they're young and it's not weird that that's the case, but less strong than they seemed

R514 Wait, is that the same place Joe was eating lunch at yesterday? Look at the second picture.

The fact that Joe wore Bash’s jumper to the play, plus the retaking of the TS photo with the ring showing and that video make me think Joe actually saw the writing on the wall and was fighting like hell to try and avoid the break up. I mean we will never know, but I’m putting that theory out there

R520 They didn't really see each other since January for any extended time. The distance was probably pretty hard on them.

R520 I wish we knew how far back the cracks go. Bash's whirlwind trips to Brazil and then L.A. could easily be recontextualized as Bash starting to feel disconnected from Joe and making more of an effort in order to keep things from crumbling. Same with any new jewelry gifts.

R521 The walls and chairs match, it's definitely the same place. If Joe took Nick there, that would be hysterical.

R521 Looks like it. Wonder if it's near his apartment. Not sure who was with him, though table date is better than bar date

R522 that's a fair point, though hard to say because being cheesy, visiting his boyfriend, and refusing to wear his own clothing is so part of the Joe MO that it's not really remarkable. I tend to think the cracks weren't there in December, because limping along for 6 months would be a lot. I can believe though that being apart for January and part of February shifted things fast, though I maintain (without evidence) that Joe wasn't the one who ended it or the one who wanted to. Put another way I think absent a choice by Bash they'd still be together, though that's speculative and I think Joe is from all appearances handling it well, so maybe for the best

Sure seems to be a lot of talk for a show that hasn't had a new episode in over a year.

I feel creepy for noting this but now that filming is over and he is leaving am more comfortable saying it. Pretty sure you can tell approximately where Joe's apartment was based on an IG story Lucy posted that I presumed was from his apartment, and if so, then yeah I think Delbar is a walk from where he lives. Which makes sense given i don't think he has a car and he seems to be a fan of a post coital brunch

R527 nobody really cares about the show here

Paris Fashion Week will be very interesting. I'm sure they already accepted invites while still dating and have seating arranged accordingly. Wonder if Connor or Kit will have to be the buffer at some, like Ami for instance? Last year they were the only two at Dior from the cast though they refused to pose together, so if they end up in a similar situation they might decide to chat and be amicable or to fully ignore one another and we'd never know either way. Again, really hope Connor does not just "take Bash's side" and ditch Joe after 2 years of friendship over this.

R530 Didn't Bash get invited to most of the shows last year just as a plus one? He can and should back out from the ones where he was to be a plus one this time around.

R530 I haven't looked at the schedule yet so I don't know what houses are showing for sure, but I feel like the only show there might be some natural overlap in is Ami. In terms of shows Kit would be likely to go to, Loewe feels more Joe's vibe and JW Anderson feels more Bash's vibe, so I don't think think he'd have to be a buffer there. Joe is most likely to get invites to the bigger houses (given his past invites to McQueen, Dior) compared to Bash, so no overlap there. I'm guessing Will will be at Kenzo, Bash could join him there. Bash can probably swing invites to Acne, other shows if Harry Lambert pulls strings.

Or Bash could just stay home in his underwear scratching his balls.

Joe should take Tobie as his plus one and make a guys trip out of it with Kit and Will.

R533 Let me scratch your balls, Bash.

I wouldn't blame Bash for not backing out, especially if he's being styled by Harry Lambert (whose fashion sense I loathe but who is a pretty big name). True enough he was a plus one at Dior but if any designers are pulling looks for him it may well be a bridge he doesn't want to burn. I think Ami is by far the most likely thing they both show up to, seeing as they seem to independently have ties to it at this point. Guessing they'll suck it up and be polite and not make Connor's life miserable if they're both there. But I'm also guessing we will probably see Bash and Connor hanging out in their off time, and Kit and Joe. Too soon to all hang out even in a group.

R463 Maybe part of the break up had to do with Joe wanting to move to Atlanta? Or the U.S. I know people say Atlanta is pretty boring but it can't be worst than IOM and I can see him not wanting to go back home. R450 I hope not. Some of my best experiences were with men bellow average. If you know what you're doing, size doesn't matter. But I know that's a very unpopular opinion.

I’d take gorgeous, willing and eager over size any day.

R537 given that every time Joe has more than a day off, he heads straight to New York, I would guess Atlanta is completely not in the cards for him. If he chooses America guessing he'll make NY his home base. But I don't think he'll stick in IOM, I think he'll probably move to London.

R450 I probably sound like a deranged frau but i think putting aside anything but the physical, it'll be hard to replace one another fast. Bash has a huge dick and seems like he knows how to use it and is great in bed. Joe is hot as hell, with an ass that's basically a miracle of nature on his body frame and incredible lips, plus has charisma and sex appeal (a certain "it factor" basically) that I don't think many other people have which makes me think he's extremely fun to fuck. We've lost out on a gay couple that was probably having awe inspiring sex, sadly

R537 I floated that the other day (not Atlanta because what would he do when he wasn’t working?) but giving it more thought I think he’ll come back to the UK at least until HS filming S3 is done. He’d barely have time to properly settle into an apartment

For all the thirst follows and everything Insta we have been talking about - No one is getting as much love from the HS cast as Bella Ramsey is. Every post of theirs is liked by at least three of cast. It’s really nice to see young queer actors be so supportive

R540 It’s really charming, especially since it goes both ways. Bella’s always liking the HS cast’s posts.

R538 Are you a gay man?

R542 I'm not R538, but I'm a gay man that gets what he's saying. Nothing kills the buzz more than a guy with a huge dick that thinks the size alone is enough. R537's right as well.

There's a middle ground. Agree that a huge dick (or an amazing ass) are great but knowing how to use them is even more important. That said I choose to believe Joe and Bash are both absolutely insanely good in bed, though from day 1 watching cast interviews and seeing personalities I have thought Joe stood out to me as having the most sexual energy and being the best fuck

Maybe I’m a size queen but I’ll always go for a man with a big dick who knows how to use it.

New photo of Joe in Atlanta with fans. He looks so good.

R546 Those were posted here 7 hours ago (R424).

I know plenty of bottom size queens but far fewer vers or exclusive tops who are are. while a big dick is great, I don’t feel let down if a guy is average. Though, Joe and Bash did seem to have the perfect complimentary features (perfect arse and cocksucking lips/massive dick) - I’m sure they will have to try around to find others that suit them as well

A big dick is a blessing and a curse. With great power comes great responsibility. But guys will throw themselves at you when they know, that’s a given.

I respect the size queen hustle, but some of the best men I've dated and fucked have been average and I would have hated to miss out on those experiences. It is what it is.

Anyway, R549 Pics, pls.

The fans being so disgruntled Joe is still in Atlanta are making me laugh. He does still have to pack and ship things back, y'all. He'll be back in IOM soon enough

He’s barely had time to work through his wrap party hangover let alone pack up 6 months worth of life

Might also be easier to pack and ship back whatever he has of Bash's straight from Atlanta instead of taking it home first. Has to say goodbye to his OF hookup because doubt Mama Locke is going to welcome Nick with open arms, tolerant as she may be; has to pack all his and his ex's shit; has to move back abroad. And doesn't have the time pressure of getting back for Bash's closing night which he probably originally planned for.

R553 Honestly, if I were him I'd chill in Atl until I had to be in the UK. Less chance of running into his ex/ex's family.

R554 I mean, he can go to IOM where he's from and chances of running into Bash are 0. Obviously things are awkward right now but unless he did something awful we're not aware of (doubtful), if he happened to bump into Bash's family and they weren't at least pleasant to him, they'd be total dicks considering the age difference. I'm sure he does miss his family and friends. Do think it'll probably be weird to an extent to live in and experience London without Bash, but maybe I'm wrong. Either way he'll get through it and be fine.

London is big enough that Joe's unlikely to run into Bash or his family unless he's slinking around in Chelsea or wherever Bash lives again.

Joe has money now from Netflix and Marvel, but unless he is making terrible financial choices don't think he'll be spending it to live in the same very expensive neighborhood as Bash. Can see him being flatmates with one of the other HS guys though.

Normally the Charlie and Joe / Nick and Kit resemblance posts are a bit whatever because they stretch it or it's obvious that they would look like characters they were cast to play, but this one is actually pretty impressive. The hat, curls peeking out, and floral shirt.

Interesting that Bel seems to be saying she has a "main role" in HS this season? Have my doubts. to be honest, don't find her the most likable. To go on about how her PR person "isn't the most natural actress", she herself better not be wooden.

Elle’s friend is a new main character?

R560 I take it with a huge grain of salt. but she says in the clip "I didn't know it was a big role, i didn't know it was a main role"

R560 Bradley also said he had a main role in an interview. I hope it's just their egos talking.

I will say (and this is not meant to kick Bash while he's down) I think "main" is treated differently from "lead". Bash's interviews pre and post HS S1 also called him a main character or main antagonist and he had a pretty small role.

Ben was a main role last season and Bash had 5 minutes of screen time, I wouldn't worry about it for now.

R563 This just makes Joe's career seem so out of the ordinary. How the hell did he get two lead roles within a year? Granted Heartstopper was never supposed to be a huge hit but still. And now he's going to be a lead (right? not just a main character?) in a Marvel show with legends. I always said it must be hard for him to make new friends in the industry because most actors his age cannot relate to him, whatsoever.

R565 his trajectory is pretty insane. Even the Donmar, in isolation - a lot of actors would be thrilled to have a good sized role they were labeled the standout in in a respected off west end play. But for that to be the least of his achievements is batshit. He's the male lead in Agatha - pre filming I think a lot of us imagined he'd have a sizable role but it would really be Agatha's show. But the fact that he's been in Atlanta nonstop for months, minus one week off and the occasional long weekend, and all leaks and spoilers have suggested his role is actually really big, which is again, insane. And he landed HS without an agent, and Agatha pre CAA. He is obviously extremely talented and likable, and i'm excited to see his growth, but what an insane journey.

Looks like the Hercules live action is starting pre-production. Wonder if the Kit-Hercules truthers will win

R567 I posted about this on here a couple of weeks ago, they go into pre-production at the end of the year. It’s in the active development stage right now.

R566 Yeah given that he has been on set since essentially day 1 I’m thinking this show is a 50/50 split between Agatha and Wiccan just like Hawkeyes show was. Wiccan is going to be a huge deal in the MCU going forward. Word is he would be in Vision Quest, there’s the rumored Young Avengers project and the Scarlet Witch movie (these two might be the same). Not to mention the Avengers movies. Joe is going to be very busy. It always makes me laugh when people questioned his casting on Twitter. These projects cost hundreds of millions of dollars, the MCU casting department has an incredible track record. They aren’t just casting these characters into this monolithic franchise because Joe had decently popular Netflix show. He clearly earned it with skill and charm. I hope we get some audition tapes when they release the Marvel Assembled for the series.

R568 Does this mean Hercules is likely to have been cast at this point?

R565 That's why we always hear about Joe and Kit being part of each others support systems when they're interviewed. There's no jealousy or resentment between them and they're both in such weird positions in terms of blowing up and immediately being under a microscope. It's harder for them to make friends that would be able to even contextualize anything they've experienced in the last year.

R568 One of my favorite parts of these threads is when you pop in with information and it's corroborated days or weeks later. I'm assuming you're also the "HS starts shooting in October" DLer?

R569 Yeah, that’s me!

R570 No, last I heard they didn’t even have a Casting Director yet. I’ll keep an ear out.

R571, not R569, sorry!

R569 joe always gets questioned casting wise (he also was for Charlie, people called him way too ugly). When he was not only extremely good looking onscreen, but also gave that insanely one dimensional role of sad anxious gay kid a lot of charm and depth. When the first Agatha cast photos leaked I noticed a lot of people commenting "wait is he actually kind of hot/cute?" because they'd only seen the same two unflattering pics publications used over and over. Presume that'll be the case even more when the show is out

Also, on the ugliness front, I think Joe is gorgeous but it's also funny that people insisted he was too ugly to be the comic Charlie when Alice imagined Charlie as Asa Butterfield. Who i don't think is hideous or anything but is not even close to as good looking as Joe.

at least since we are in June already, Milan/Paris mens fashion week starts at the end of the month. Hopefully Joe will finally make some appearances 🤞

R574

Did she say that in an interview or something?

R576 She tweeted about it, I think she’s deleted it since.

While the Hercules idea is interesting it could mean it’s a smaller role because he’ll only be Young Herc (but he gets to sing Go The Distance). Same with a role in Gladiator 2, a younger Paul Mescal, limited to the first half hour or flashbacks.

R569 Ya, in the taxi interview, even the interviewer was shocked at Joe's achievements. And it's not about him being deserving or not, it's just extremely rare. He's very lucky.

r578 it would be so bizarre to cast a young paul mescal, he's only 27 and Kit is 19. But he could be a younger/flashback version of another character if he is in fact cast.

R575 i would bet Joe will pop up. He seems to like fashion, Ami gifting him stuff makes me think he'll be at that for sure

New Joe interview.

Me an hour ago:

[quote]That's why we always hear about Joe and Kit being part of each others support systems when they're interviewed. There's no jealousy or resentment between them and they're both in such weird positions in terms of blowing up and immediately being under a microscope. It's harder for them to make friends that would be able to even contextualize anything they've experienced in the last year.

Joe in an interview now:

[quote]Having Kit to go on this journey with has been amazing. There's not really many people in the world who can quite understand what it is to suddenly have people caring about what you do and what you wear and what you look like and what you say. Every single thing you do is scrutinized.

[quote]That's something Locke now hopes to show people about himself: He's not just the Heartstopper guy. "I have a real problem with feeling like I have to prove myself to the world — to myself mostly," he explains. "So I would love to do a job that is so far the opposite of Heartstopper, or opposite of Agatha, that I could show some versatility." Specifically, "I'd love to do a dark role," he notes. "I just want to bring a lot of edge to it and show that I can do more than just sickly sweet."

Isn't Billy a bit edgier? Or is he really Charlie but with powers?

R582 Joe? Is that you?

R581 He obviously can’t say much, but it was interesting to read about his experience going into Agatha and HS 2.

R581 that's a really great interview. Sounds like it was right post breakup and he's still professional as hell and super eloquent and likable. Excited for more interviews and his next photoshoot. Also really looking forward to his future roles; love that he takes his job seriously and is ambitious about it but also knows he's lucky. Sounds like all of us hoping for him sharing more and being openly slutty are not going to see it, though, given his comments on privacy. I feel for him, even this minimal scrutiny on a breakup must be hell. And as we all guessed, sounds like Kit is being kind and supportive to both.

R581 Finally. Super excited for him. And now that he's single, the world is his oyster! Can't wait for new photoshoots and all the craziness that will come with starring in a Marvel series.

583 depends on the comic but Billy is just a more outgoing/confident Charlie.

Sounds like he wants to try being a bad guy

I just kinda wish there was new photos, but either way im excited and i will take it

Imagine hanging out with the likes of Patti and thinking, “hell I can do better in every aspect of my life.”

the amount of times he usd "we" and "us" in that is really nice, seems like he really bonded with everyone else on set and learned a lot. and the fact that patti always mentions him (says she worked with the amazing actresses and actor) and the View mention. Very excited for the cast interviews and hopefully for some big names (Graham Norton etc)

R587 I get him. He's young and super excited about his career. He wants to do everything— as most young people do. It's that drive and passion that a lot of people lose as they age. I hope he'll learn to be patient, he just started his career. Good roles take time. He's doing very well and I'm happy for him. He seems to understand the position he's in is extremely rare too. For the comment about him being private, I wonder if the interview was after the NYC trip. I was surprised that he showed us a part of the OF guy's head because I know how private he is. I have a feeling all the 'joebash obsession' stuff got to him after the release of the show and he decided to be more private.

We were definitely robbed of new photos of Joe, but that was a great interview. Hopefully, this is just the first of many and others will include some slutty photos to really show off Joe's range as an actor.

Also, related the break-up. I have some ex's where the sex was great but nothing else was. I do think Joe and Bash had more depth to their relationship, but we all seem very much in agreement that they had very great sex. With all the changes going on in Joe's life, and lack of sex involved in long distance relationships, it's easy for me to see why they would have drifted apart. Being new besties with Patti LaPone and feeling more and more disconnected from his old life actually shows Joe is taking his career seriously. I fully respect him wanting to have great sex with people in Atlanta instead of tying all his emotions into a long-distance relationship.

I always forget how cute this was until someone posts it again.

R592 I can see Bash wanting to move things along with his career now. Joe is so determined and focused. One of them would have to sacrifice a lot to make this work and I don't think either of them wanted to. Understandable.

r594 Yeah, I also think there's a lot of expecting feelings to be "rational" in a breakup even where they're not always. I think if they broke up for the reasons we guess (that whoever pulled the trigger, it was due to distance and realising it would be like this for years as they both developed their careers), in a year's time or even less they'll be able to look at it as an objectively good call and bear very little resentment for the way things shook out. But in the days and weeks following it's natural for, e.g., your ex rebounding to hurt your feelings (Bash) or to feel hurt that your boyfriend ended things even if the incompatibility was mutual (Joe).

That interview is great. he sounds really determined about his career. Billy is a bit edgier, but it's still MCU and he magically marries his first serious boyfriend. Not sure Charlie to Billy is really stretching his acting and I'm sure he wants to do other characters.

OP what was your time out like? For those considering the next thread mine was 18 hrs for the last one

I made one. I need a break from posting anyway. See ya

Joe I swear to god if you do something though I'll never forgive you

R599 ??