Affirmation Generation removed from Vimeo

Sad. Not just children, “gender identity” damages adults too. The hard left, doctors, therapists, the pharmaceutical companies are all exploiting extremely mentally ill people.

Freedom of speech for me, not for thee.

This thread will itself be deleted, if it takes off to any degree. Datalounge has clearly decided to join the ranks of those who are going all in on gender ideology.

That's a shame. I watched it. It wasn't particularly compelling, frankly. I'd heard it all before. It was more of the us v them stance that is the only stance, it seems, these days.

I wish the film makers would have told the other side with more sincerity. More compassion. It doesn't make sense to vilify everyone. At least to me. I've met too many trans folks over the years to know that they are just as wonderful, flawed, mean, sweet, human as the rest of us. And they really do think what they're doing is good and just and helping others alleviate pain and suffering. Truly.

I think if we start from a place of compassion it only helps drive the point home more that we need to collectively rethink gender ideology. Find a new solution to the problem.

But I know I'm in the minority.

Seems like everybody hates you insidious people everywhere you go. Why don't you [bold]take the fucking hint[/bold] and examine the appalling way you all behave?

But no... It's all everybody else's fault isn't it.

The problem is humans have learned playing a victim gets you attention and social currency.

[quote]I wish the film makers would have told the other side with more sincerity. More compassion. It doesn't make sense to vilify everyone. At least to me. I've met too many trans folks over the years to know that they are just as wonderful, flawed, mean, sweet, human as the rest of us. And they really do think what they're doing is good and just and helping others alleviate pain and suffering. Truly.

And what about ex-gays? Why are they vilified? They’re good people too, aren’t they?

R7 they are but they moved on not gay anymore

And so have trans people. They’re cut from the same cloth. And they’re both rightwing ideologies. That’s the funny part.

The "other side" has had the floor pretty exclusively long enough.

It’s a really good documentary & I’m saddened but not surprised is was deplatformed.

People need to see this.

VIMEO reinstated the film.

Do they show how bloody, violent, and gruesome transition surgeries are?

[bold]Yay, r12![/bold]

This is a huge step for gay rights.

It’s ok for kids to be gender conforming. No medical intervention necessary.

Oops I mean gender nonconforming.

[Quote]How little patients understood what they were getting into was illustrated by a call we received at the center in 2020 from a 17-year-old biological female patient who was on testosterone. She said she was bleeding from the vagina. In less than an hour she had soaked through an extra heavy pad, her jeans, and a towel she had wrapped around her waist. The nurse at the center told her to go to the emergency room right away.

[Quote]We found out later this girl had had intercourse, and because testosterone thins the vaginal tissues, her vaginal canal had ripped open. She had to be sedated and given surgery to repair the damage. She wasn’t the only vaginal laceration case we heard about.

^from the linked article. Interview with an ex-case manager at a gender clinic who has grave doubts about how these clinics are handling kids and gender dysphoria.

I have to say that every detransitioner that I follow on the socials I find shockingly wise. Ditto in this doc.

They have a sense of calm and rationality that I find comforting. Especially in the face of a topic that brings out so much ire, cruelty and attacks (from both sides). They don't hate trans. Or demean them. They just offer another way to deal with dysmorphia.

Gives me hope that we all might come back down to earth on the issue at some point. And it also reminds me to retain as much compassion as I can for everyone involved.

1.6% of the population. 100% of the conversation. you have to ask yourself what is going on that an entire nation is enraptured by this completely fringe topic and identity.

Trans-identified folk may be lovely as individuals r4, but they are NOT the opposite sex and never will be and they should stop attempting to force their idiosyncratic beliefs onto the rest of society.

As for the "other side", it's rammed down our throats everyday, especially as gay people who are now not permitted to say we are lesbian or gay or same-sex attracted, but have to call ourselves "LGBTQ+". Trans activism is being done in our name, which is particularly appalling as not only do many of us not agree with it, but it is gay erasure.

[quote]They have a sense of calm and rationality that I find comforting. Especially in the face of a topic that brings out so much ire, cruelty and attacks (from both sides). They don't hate trans. Or demean them. They just offer another way to deal with dysmorphia.

The same should be for ex-gays. If we are going to live in this world, we need to include everyone. You can’t shun one and embrace the other.

R18, it’s trending upward…

1.6% of 315M is about 5M

It should be zero. It’s impossible to change sex. Nobody should be having these barbaric surgeries.

We will never be free of cults.

MORE TRANS HATE THREADS! WE NEED MORE MORE MORE!

10-20 A DAY ARE NOT NEARLY ENOUGH! WE MUST HAVE MORE! MURIEL, WE DEMAND MORE TRANS HATE THREADS NOW!

There are at least three or four Trans-hate obsessed straight women (and all their sock puppets) here on the Datalounge. We must be all about them and their needs. Forget Gay men, the DL is all about these Trans Hating WIMMIN.

MURIEL - the straight women who come here to hide from everyone that hates them as bigots and lunatics must have the Datalounge wholly dedicated to their needs and their threads. All the other threads have to be invaded and derailed so that they become Trans-Hate threads. It's what the straight women want to see and they must be served. SERVE THEM NOW, SERVE THEM AT ALL TIMES!

We should really just change the name of the site to THE TRANS HATE WHINEFEST LOUNGE.

Why can't we just keep matters related to this topic in one giant thread a la the MSNBC thread? This is probably one of the reasons these threads keep getting deleted.

R16, I never knew that about the vaginal canal being thinned by the use of testosterone. Wow. You think anyone told this teenager that?

I have the movie bookmarked but haven't seen it yet.

I'm getting old but I hope I live long enough to see these butchers sued into oblivion and these doctors and other "health professionals" lose their licenses AND get sued.

You want to know what's going to cause more suicides? When people realize they can't really change sex or have orgasms after going through these nightmare medical procedures and having to live with mutilated bodies. As I believe the Scandinavian countries have discovered as well as Johns Hopkins.

R23, just wait until the lawsuits start. And the book tours…

The reckoning is upon us. You ain’t seen nothing yet

R23 Trannys hate the truth.

I know we are meant to feel sorry for detransistioners, but, jesus Christ. Do a google image search with the safety setting off and see the results of trans surgeries. Train wrecks.

Do some research into the effects of opposite sex hormones on childrens' bodies. Or the effects of puberty blockers on pubescent bodies...and there is none. exactly zero research into the long term effects of these off label drugs on childrens bodies.

but they seemingly don't, and then cry when their top surgery has complications. Well DUH.

Just wait until your right-wing buddies turn on you.

You think they love and support TERFs? They hate you. DeSantis hates you, Trump hates you, you're not even women to them. You're merely campaign tools, to be tossed aside.

If you ever do manage to elect your buddies, you know who's next on their list of people they hate? UPPITY WOMEN.

Go ahead and vote for Rhonda, he'll have you girls in front of firing squads before you know it. Maybe he'll do mass hangings instead, they looked good in Gilead.

Good times.

I thought the transphobic cis (white) gays were next on Trump and DeSantis' list, according to the DLers On The Right Side Of History, not "uppity women".

Kids are definitionally incapable on consenting to these procedures.

There are reasons why 15 years olds are not allowed to marry, drive a car or go to war. But we are expected to believe they have the knowledge and maturity to know that puberty blockers are right for them. Even many grown adults are still spinning the provable lie that blockers are harmless. What hope do kids have?

So anyone who gloats over the tragic outcomes of these so called harmless drugs, which leave these kids deformed and anorgasmic, or who laughs at the often tragic results of these so called "transitions", is scum.

F&F for the all nasty TERF cunts in yet ANOTHER anti-trans thread.

The pro-trans are misogynistic.

The hate is coming from the loon trans activists, r23, who zealously try to silence anyone who exposes the lunacy of their nutcase ideology.

[bold]WE'RE NOT PRO-TRANS! WE ARE ANTI THE HATE YOU CUNTS DISH OUT TO TRANS PEOPLE.[/bold]

[bold]WE WANT YOU GONE. YOU ARE DESTROYING OUR SITE AND WE WON'T PUT UP WITH IT ANYMORE.[/bold]

[bold]LEAVE.[/bold]

Oh shut up, r34. It's not "hate" to listen to detransitioners. The hate is from people like you, who are trying to silence them.

R34 Muriel just removed your post about supposed "terfs" on DL.

How does that make you feel?

You're the one always preaching that the admins remove posts for good reasons.

Well now, your post got removed.

Maybe you were the baddie all along, Blanche.

The message was heard by the site owners loud and clear R36. The thread did exactly what I intended it to do.

LOL @ the "supposed" TERFs. You cunts are too much.

A lot of distractions from stolen elections and a LOT of fraud r18. Carefully plotted by the WEF.

Hannah Barnes' excellent and groundbreaking book on the scandal at the Tavistock youth gender clinic in London was published today. One of the findings is that a many of the children and youths diagnosed with "gender dysphoria" and put on a transition pathway were actually gay.

[quote]I know we are meant to feel sorry for detransistioners, but, jesus Christ. Do a google image search with the safety setting off and see the results of trans surgeries.

Yes but they get into these online echo chambers and are brainwashed into thinking this will be the magic solution to all their problems.

R38 Leave me out of any fucking right wing nonsense, that's not at all what i'm suggesting.

I had to share this video with you guys.

This Gen Z gay guy speaks with clarity about the harm of gender ideology to his generation:

I would also like to add that it was very disappointing to see the thread about the article in the British Medical Journal disappear.

We were having a robust discussion about puberty blockers and poof, it was gone.

In the thread someone showed up to chastise us for even having the discussion. He said that he was a researcher of 20 years in the field of HIV medicine and gender medicine and that we should shut the hell up and listen to him... because he's the expert.

I thought, great. There's an expert in the house. So I asked him to comment on Dr. Marci Bowers stunning admission that blockers will make it so that these kids will never have an orgasm in adulthood. Dr. Bowers is the president of WPATH, the body that issues guidelines for administering these powerful drugs to kids.

The poster refused to answer the question and then the thread was nuked.

Also, pharma companies do not conduct research on these drugs for this use. These drugs are used off-label. In addition, they flat-out refuse to conduct large scale clinical trials for the purposes of youth transition. They have stated that the potential liability issues outweigh the benefits.

When doctors prescribe these drugs off-label, the manufacturer is indemnified because they never said to use these drugs on kids to stop puberty. And in essence, the children taking these drugs are the guinea pigs.

The fact that this platform, Reddit, and the signers of that letter to the NYT want to silence this debate is telling.

Why are they so afraid of us even having the conversation about these powerful drugs?

Also, I'm going to make a post about DL censorship in the datalounge sub-reddit in the next few days when I return from a trip.

Stay tuned, DL friends.

R43, I still have that thread open in another window and when I read your post I copied and pasted it to a file.

WTF is going on here? Since when do we censor over topics? That's one of the selling points here. If they start going the way of the trans nutters then someone will start another site. It's not like this is that hard to create or maintain.

R44 I'm relatively new here so I don't know what it was like in years past. My guess is that "muriel" hired an assistant to take care of day-to-day duties.

I'll speculate that this is a young person who has completely bought into the cult of gender woo. Also, I think there is a generational divide regarding censorship. I'm a Gen X gay dude and the thought of shutting down debate goes against everything I believe in. Free speech is a foundational principle of Western liberal democracy.

And it is coming into focus that gender ideology and the censoring of ideas go hand in hand. We're seeing this drama play out at the New York Times. I still cannot fathom how all of those ex-staffers teamed up with GLAAD to try and bully the Times in silencing them on this important matter.

The Guild (the union for newspaper staffers) are currently in open warfare against their own membership.

Two days ago, a zoom call was held for Guild members to discuss the matter. There were around 200 members on the call. Some on the editorial staff at the paper are calling for Guild leadership to step down because the Guild has taken the position that it *causes harm to trans and non-binary staffers* when the Times prints stories that are critical of childhood transition and specifically, when they run articles that are critical of puberty blockers.

This is absolutely bonkers. Does it harm Jewish employees when the Times runs articles critical of Israel? Does it harm Muslim employees when the paper prints stories critical of Islamic practices?

We could go down the list. It is absolutely insane to imply that printing a story is somehow "harming a community" because of an article.

The journalist Jesse Singal has outlined the drama at the Times better than I'm doing here. He takes a deep dive into the drama on his twitter page. And on his podcast, Blocked and Reported, they look the insanity of the GLAAD letter and how their demands run counter to foundational journalistic practices of balanced reporting.

Well said, both r44 and r45. Heartening to read that I am not alone in my serious objections to this censorship.. It will be sad if the insane new censor(s) on here win. It wasn't always like this. In fact this all began rather recently, only in the last few years, and has now gone ballistic in the last 6 months.

Perhaps you are right r45, that Muriel has hired someone with an agenda. Given how successful TRA's have been in taking over the modding at almost all of the gay reddit rooms, it would seem only logical to conclude that the same has now happened here. I never thought the owners would EVER allow that to happen, because it will kill the site, but perhaps that is indeed what has happened.

Muriel has nuked threads here and there since the dawn of DL. It often doesn't make sense to many of us as the why. And I've been here since 2004. It happens. No conspiracy.

Yes, trans threads seem to be on the chopping block faster and faster these days. But to be fair, we do have a million trans threads a day. I'm trans critical and I get sick of them.

Yes dear, nuking happens, but not nearly 5 times a day,several days a week as it has been happening recently. Please don't pretend this is "Normal" for the DL. Even the TRAs who order all of us gay men to "Leave" nearly every other comment while spamming the thread (and the ff buttons) have on several occasions proclaimed that we've entered a new era of DL in which TRAcensors will now reign supreme, or words to that effect.

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, kid, I've been here for a long, long time.

The fall of the Tavistock was the beginning of the pushback. The NY Times becoming more enquiring and less ideological is another major turning point. Once the large scale lawsuits begin from children who've been experimented on, that'll smash the money making side of it. But it's not ever going away. There is too much institutional support in academia and other places, with all the creepy ideologues who've been seeded throughout schools and mid level government.

R46 It has become clear that trans activists set out to become mods on a variety of platforms. I first had a run-in with a trans mod named Evan when I was active on the Slate boards around 2016 to 2019. Over the course of a year, I watched Evan ban over a hundred regular commenters who didn't toe the party line on the emerging gender ideology and queer theory.

Since that time, Slate has morphed into one of the main online publications for woke ideology. I stopped reading completely after a "queer woman" lodged a complaint against Mike Pesca when she overhead him in the office talking about when and where it's appropriate to use the n-word in print.

Up to that point, Slate had published that word over 300 times in the last decade. This writer, Christina C., was out to get Mike for some reason. So when she heard him using that word she pounced and lodged a complaint saying that it caused her emotional harm. His podcast was put on hold while they investigated. He ended up leaving Slate and I think there was a lawsuit. Christina is still with Slate.

And by the way, she's the one who wrote that Mayor Pete wasn't "gay enough" for her liking, and she also danced on Kobe's grave less than a day after he and his daughter were killed in the accident.

She's an awful person and decided to weaponize wokeness in the office to hurt a fellow employee.

Getting back to Evan. Here's an article that he wrote telling the world to not inform doctors that he's a transman. Apparently, he's under the impression that his wide child-bearing hips won't give away the game. He's incredibly paranoid and thinks that doctors and nurses are out to get him.

And character wise, he is also a huge piece of shit. He has made awful remarks about detransitioners, which seems to be par for the course with trans activists.

Wow, r50. I always wondered how Slate nosedived so quickly and sharply. An early casualty.

The Evan story is also very interesting - and very telling. This place clearly had a hundred at least, if not many more users even as long ago as two years ago. Back in the day it was absolutely hopping. People disagreed all the time, and some brilliantly sharp ripostes have been written here, but the booting of whole swathes of users seems to have got increasingly noticible , especially recently. This is why it's dead slow during PRime Time now. Never used to be. But, kick off enough paying cutomers and that is of course the natural result.

As an aside with reference to "Evan", at least one of the more ludicrously screechy and censorious of the TRAcensors on here is, I strongly suspect, a transman. The writing style and regular use of bold-type formatting while repeatedly claiming to be "a gay man!" gives it away, to me. No DL regulars ever use that shit, as the formatting is more of a pain in the ass here than anywhere else and always has been. Of course I can prove nothing - but something just pings my sensors.

Ah, well. Either Muriel wakes up from her drunken slumber and pulls this place out the nosedive it's headed into - before it goes into a full spin and crash - or that slattern stays passed out on the dingy sofa next to the bottles and the site suffocates under the weight of her motionless, caftan'd body and the stench of her exhaled gin fumes.

^^^ had a hundred MORE users ( than it does now - every year it seems to go down but this year is the most dramatic)

Except, r47, there's a pattern to which trans threads Muriel deletes, and they are almost always about puberty blockers and the harm they do to kids. These threads are especially deleted when they include factual evidence of this harm, such as details of the Cass Review or Hannah Barnes' wonderful book exposing the scandal at the Tavistock clinic. Whoever's dictating to Muriel really doesn't want that information out there.

This thread is about detrans youth, but Muriel probably doesn't realise that that's what the title is about, so it remains for now.

r28

r53 they usually involve violent rhetoric, calls to violence and threats

I like the word slattern.

Except they don't r54. The thread about the article on puberty blockers in the British Medical Journal did not have any violent rhetoric, at least not from those of us who oppose puberty blockers. There was some hysterical ranting from a TRA, but it was just the usual stuff. Many of the trans threads that do stay up often contain far more aggressive language than the deleted threads.

For some reason, Muriel does not want any discussion about puberty blockers and the harm being done to kids, even though these transed kids are often gay and the attempt to trans them is to stop them from growing up gay,

Hear, hear, R44!

[quote]I like the word slattern.

I prefer to think of myself as a trollop.

I’m sad with the transgenderism crap that ex-gay isn’t more mainstream or popular. It should be, if transgenderism exists.

Fucking fascists.

R61, puberty blockers are evil, transing kids is gay erasure, humans can't change sex.

R61 But we aren't right wing. we are non stupid gay men who know the emperor has no clothes.

Stop the propaganda trangenderism is a rightwing ideology. It is marxist to the core.

Why do you feel the need to carry water for the Right, OP?

R63, not only is the emperor butt naked, he’s sporting wood!

“Autogynephile” will inevitably become a popular topic of discussion we will all here more about. 🙄

Thanks, trans! I have to bleach my eyes now because of you. 🤬

R7 I have never said a single disparaging thing to those two ex-gays crowded into their phone booth.

Be sarcastic against ex-gays. You’re a hypocrite.

My goodness. The temper tantrums being thrown around here lately from presumably non-Gen Z adult posters. And over what exactly? Hasn't Muriel allowed these people to squat here for free for over a decade? I doubt most of those cheap skates even fork over $1.99 which is why all those trans threads go quiet on primetime.

R69 The temper tantrums and demands for censorship always come from the troons, love.

Datalounge used to have LOTS of paying subscribers, for years and years and years on end,and no one ever noticed primetime because the threads stayed lively. Then, a few years ago, the crowd here seemed to halve and it got much slower.

This year it seems to have halved again. It couldn't possibly be that longtime paying members aren't likely to pay anymore, however small the price, if they are constantly put into ludicrous timeouts by the new moderator and the troll swarms that mass-flagg them in the name of WRONGTHINK, could it?

In in other words, r69 dear, the problem couldn't possibly be YOU and your censorious friends newly arrived here, now could it? No, no, no!

Perish the very thought.

R71 Who exactly is censoring you and WTF are you talking about? This thread has been up and available since Wednesday.

If anything, Muriel has been exceedingly permissive. Name one other gay website where the trolls would get away with even a fraction of the shit they pull here. I'll await your response.

Oh MY, r72.

You really are SO new here, aren't you?

R73 Not at all. I remember this place before it became All Trans Talk, All the Time.

Sure, Jan.

R75 So where is this great censorship you're talking about?

You're complaining that you're not allowed to talk about Trans and yet this thread is here. It's open. It's about Trans. It hasn't been closed. It hasn't been censored.

It sounds to me like what you and others are upset about is that you're not allowed to spam this site with multiple threads on Trans every day to fit your agenda.

R72, anyone who spams a gay website with homophobic, pro-trans lunacy is the very definition of troll. It's like coming here and defending conversion therapy and then calling the people calling you a fucking homophobic piece of shit trolls. Of course, what else can I expect from people who have lost complete touch with reality and live in a literal backwards bizarroworld where up and down are reversed.

R76, you are so disingenuous that it's hilarious. This thread, like all the other threads discussing anything trans-related in any critical way will be gone soon. There's usually a weekly purge. It's coming. Of course, after it comes, you'll just deny it ever happened.

R72 I'm still waiting to hear about these other gay websites that allow you to squat, take up space, and spam their discussion boards. You claim Datalounge is so censorious. What's an example of a more permissive gay site?

R78 You don't sound very happy here at all. You sound whinier than a Gen Z and I'm going to go ahead and assume that you're much older.

You know, you're always free to go and start TransLounge .com.

R80 is drunk and no longer even seems to know which side he is on. There doesn't need to be a translounge because, just like every other gay place in the world, the trans have taken it over and are acting like fucking fascists toward the gay people who were already there.

R81 Who on earth is even trans here, much less trans and in charge?

Or is that just what you do? Anybody who disagrees with you is automatically a tranny?

Other websites, r79, dear?

Why that would be the DataLounge - before you and your censorious TRA friends showed up to ruin it.

It was a Completely. Different. Website.

But that's why you're here, dear, isn't it? To force it - and us, its original posters, to change, right?

As the old proverb goes, (with apologies to Mohammed and to mountains everywhere):

'If Gay DataLounger won't go to the TRA Re-education Camp Mountain, then the TRA Re-education Camp Mountain must go to Gay Datalounger.'

Isn't that right, dear?

R50 here again.

I just visited a sub-reddit that I used to be active on. It's called askgaybrosover30 and it was one of the last places on reddit where gay men over 40ish could exchange ideas and answer questions..

The mod is a Swedish gay guy around 45. He's a pissy queen with a severe mood disorder (like most reddit mods) but he's recently gone into full censorship mode regarding the trans debate.

He went on a banning spree and got nasty with an actual MD who was trying to discuss these issues.

His stance is that you're not allowed to talk about this issue if you're not trans, which is insane.

I am endlessly fascinated by this debate because it seems like the people on the side of gender ideology are also on the side of total censorship.

Why is that? And why did so many of them become mods across many platforms? Did they plan this out years ago on a Discord server or was it organic?

Why do gender ideology enthusiasts want to silence the conversation, across platforms and across nations? It seems like the one thing they all have in common is that they want to stop the conversation from happening.

After heated exchanges, he wrote another post called, "State of the community, clarification on the civility rule regarding trans issues". But when I click on it, it's nothing but a black screen, which I've never seen on reddit before. It's probably just a technical glitch, but who knows, maybe a trans admin blacked it out because he/she doesn't even want that conversation to be viewed.

Anyhoo, here's the original post that got the pissy Swedish dancing queen upset. (sort by controversial)

And here's the link to the mod's post, "state of the community....."

Let me know if the link works for you. When I click on it, it shows the post for about half a second then goes to a black screen with some scrambled stuff on the right.

White gay men are the biggest supporters and financial backers of transgenderism.

R86 Do you have data to back that claim?

R88 So that's a list of 3 living gay men in "The Federalist" from five years ago.

How do you extrapolate 4 people to "white gay men" in general?

Yes, absolutely. White gay men are the biggest supporters and financial supporters of transgenderism. Period. Whether you like it or not.

R90 I asked you a question.

How do you extrapolate 3 living gay men to "white gay men" in general?

Please provide an answer.

That AskGayBros subreddit is disgusting. The way they cheer on that Nazi cult. All white gay men too.

R92 It's clear that you have an issue with white gay men. Your history is littered with hatred directed at that group.

Sorry life didn't work out the way you planned.

Hard left white (and hard right) white gay men. ^. Yes. They are the anti-Christ. Nazis.

Pritzker, one of the main pushers of this ideology, is indeed white, but is not gay. A billionaire trust funder who was married twice, both times to women, and had two sons before announcing transgenderism in 2013, getting a divorce in 2014, and remarrying a third time in 2020 - to a straight biological woman.

So we have a a straight biological male who lives now as a lesbian married to a straight woman. No one in this entire scenario is 'gay'.

[quote]but is not gay.

Lol.

[quote]Since when do we censor over topics?

"We"? Bitch, you are not Datalounge or Mediapolis.

Someone has been accusing Muriel of "being trans" for something like three years now. Every time there's a trans thread deleted, someone goes bugfuck crazy and starts insisting there's "new management" here and that "trans" are deleting all their threads. I even saw people on the r/Datalounge subreddit saying it. Absolute insanity.

The subscribers are pro-trans. Is Mediapolis going to listen to subscribers or non-subscribers? When this place goes primetime, it goes hard left. The anti-Jewish sentiment, pro-trans, anti-gay — all goes unchallenged during primetime.

And you are, r97? Is that what you are so clumbsily attempting to imply?

This "movie" has no production company listed. The director and one producer are using pseudonyms. Another producer is someone who writes anti-trans articles online with an obvious pseudonym. The third producer has a small TERF podcast.

Anyone online who has asked WHO is behind this movie has been told "uh death threats, dummy, they can't reveal who they are, stupid!" and that's bullshit. People have made documentaries with actual real-world consequences and put their name to them despite any risks, but these people -- who appear to have only made the equivalent of a YouTube video -- supposedly can't?

It is pure bullshit that this is even allowed on DL. No one else is hosting this propaganda crap, except Vimeo, but probably only until they figure out it's been uploaded again.

[quote]When this place goes primetime, it goes hard left. The anti-Jewish sentiment, pro-trans, anti-gay — all goes unchallenged during primetime.

Nothing about DL is hard left, Matt.

I’m not Matt.

All r101's comment tells me is that the film's producers have gotten enough death threats from TRA's to feel it necessary to hide their identities, and that r101 believes that the death threats are fine, but that talking about the film is not.

Reminds me of the Ayahtollah (& friends) attitude toward Salman Rushdie.

The producers were never identified. Their own webpage says they used pseudonyms from the beginning.

You're making up a story about how they received scads of death threats and had to go back and change the names on the film, but that didn't happen. It's a lie.

[quote]I've been here for a long, long time

I doubt that; nearly everything you've posted on this thread has been a provable lie.

If you had really been here for a long time you'd know that every group of obsessives is eventually shut down. If you don't know that the LotR nuts, the soap opera frauen, the Twilight twats, Noodles and anti-Noodles, and every other group of lunatics like you guys were eventually shown the door, then you haven't been here a long time.

You're obviously not one of the original users as you claim, if you think your anti-trans and Meghan-hating spam is somehow not only normal for DL but welcome and encouraged. DL has never been a place for the kind of shit you flood us with, day in and day out.

How do you know the producers didn't get death threats from TRA online warriors BEFORE they made the movie, r105, as so many people have?

Seems to me highly likely that they had already got some, if they felt they could only make the movie under pseudonyms.

I don't give a fuck what you think or what you have to say. I've been here far too long for that.

But I did enjoy the Drop the T campaign we had on here in the mid 2010's. That was fun and we were, of course, entirely correct.

My only way of dropping the "T" is instantly blocking the "T"s on Grindr. What's interesting is how often the profiled of the same trans people re-appear. How long until this fad ends?

[quote]But I did enjoy the Drop the T campaign

So did the mass murderer in Buffalo last year. Great company you keep!

R110 The shooter who killed all those gay kids in Colorado is non-binary.

Gay men are literally being slaughtered by non-binary psychopaths.

Watch the movie. The TRAs are hysterical when facts and truth confront their fantasies. Typical fascists.

r84 Holy shit that thread was infuriating. Especially this pile of nonsense from one poster:

[quote]This is why minors are never given [bold]hormone therapy[/bold] or surgery. The only medical treatment available for trans minors are [/bold]puberty blockers,[/bold]

That's a form of hormone therapy you insufferable cretin. The process of going through puberty is regulated by hormones. Fucking Christ, dude.

Word

Please drop the LGBT. Hopefully in the future, acronyms used to describe people will be frowned upon.

Perhaps, r86, but there is plenty of blame to go around.

It’s just that …white gay men typically have more power & wealth than other subsets within the homosexual community. (A term I am reclaiming. I’m also reclaiming qu**r as a slur.)

I posted in a now deleted thread that my once traditional (conservative) company has made something of a drastic u-turn only within the last five years. I’ve been here a long time, & saw a (white) gay man who bravely lobbied that same sex partners be added to employee health insurance LEAVE because he hit a glass ceiling & couldn’t get promoted past a certain level.

Now we have a gay executive — he's the VP of marketing. He does a fine job. But he’s also the “toast of the town” just because he’s an exec who is openly gay. He’s having a lot of fun & we are not in the same bubble.

But he’s pushing the TQ ideology on the company. He’s trying to get people to add their pronouns to their email signatures. (Which hasn’t taken off.) I read the diversity material & under the heading “Terms to Not Use” is [bold]Homosexual[/bold]…because some qu**rs find it offensive. They have a glossary that explains what tucking & binding are…and how to pronounce “xir.”

He sold out. He sold us out.

Again, plenty of blame to go around (Indigo Girls, Gloria Steinem).

But gay white men are awesome…they really were behind the Stonewall uprising. (Plus others such as Storme.). Per r114, they can help lead our community out of this mess. 💪

[quote]Plus others such as Storme.

She had nothing to do with. The biographer even said so.

Link please, r117?

R84 here again.

Here's an example of the passive-aggressive Swedish dancing queen mod doing his typical power tripping. This is the response to an medical professional who presented some very dry data regarding the harm of these blockers:

"The bullshit asymmetry principle applies here: this person makes claims about Europe that I know aren't true (being a European). I also know that several other of their statements are, at best, questionable (like clinics giving out puberty blockers like they're aspirin).

Also considered is this user's post history, which contains problematic unsolicited opinions about trans lives. To protect our trans brothers in this community from having their lives discussed by people whose lives are largely unaffected by the vitriol and hate that is rampant against trans people, I have decided to ban this person permanently from our community."

He permanently banned this member for simply presenting data.

That Swedish guy must be a Yassss Kween of the highest order. Is more about being 'LGBTQ' than 'Gay', and proudly puts every other letter ahead of the G in his priorities and principles.

r119 His exchange here was very telling:

[quote]MOD: Unless you are a doctor, I’m going to ask you to stop discussing trans issues in our community.Your layman opinions are not wanted. Medicine is complicated, and your concerns reek of concern trolling and sealioning from transposes. I’ve removed it because frankly it’s full of armchair psychology and speculation and therefore harmful.

[quote]Censored poster: I am literally a medical doctor. Im completing my residency in surgical medicine this spring. It’s funny you discredit my “layman” opinions as invalid but your layman opinion is somehow valid despite you clearly not having any medical education. We can discuss trans issues as long as we toe the party line about gender idealogy; a subject the trans community doesn’t even agree on. It’s the same censorship we’re seeing in r/gamingcirclejerk and r/entertainment.

[quote]MOD: Good for you. This is still armchair psychology from [bold]someone not specialized in the area.[/bold]

You could literally just place this exchange next to the definition of "shifting the goalpost" as a blatant example. Unsurprising he banned them. Because it's not about having a discussion and supporting your position with facts and reason. It's about controlling the narrative.

So here's what kinda freaks me out:

That Swedish mod is basically a nobody in Stockholm who gets off on power-tripping in the tiny reddit fiefdom that he controls, which is pretty typical for a reddit moderator. I've known a few who were excellent, but they're the exception.

However, his position is pretty much in alignment with GLAAD, Roxane Gay, Cynthia Nixon (barf), and the thousand ex=staffers who signed that letter that was sent to NYT management where they demanded that the Times cease coverage of trans issues that goes against prevailing opinions in gender ideology.

Those people are staffers and journalists who worked at the one of the most prestigious papers in the US. Can you imagine any other group sending a letter to a newspaper demanded that they stop printing negative stories about their pet cause?

That very idea runs counter to the principles of journalism!

This is part of the reason why I think gender ideology is a cult.

Those ex-staffers, Roxane, Cynthia, the Swedish Dancing Queen, and so many others have been captured by this mind virus.

It is wild to watch this play out across the globe.

[...]

What a fabulous surname at R114.

I posted in your thread, Gemini, that regardless on how the discourse would go, it was destined for deletion. The thread lasted a lot longer than I thought it would, but at the end of the day it still got the nuke.

I also referenced another thread ('Would you date a transman?') that had none of the shrieking or mudslinging that we're used to seeing regarding the subject, but still got deleted. In it there was a really interesting discussion on how female-born people who fetishize and want to become us have a skewed idea on what it actually means to be gay, and their difficulties in coping when reality smacks them in the face (see gay subreddits). People, especially young people, are lied to enough as it is, I see no useful purpose in us adding to it by falsely affirming that gay life is like a yaoi fanfic.

[...]

Well, it took me ages to find the thread, but here it is. I remember seeing the OP red-tagged about a month ago and the message in the red tag made it very clear that the heavy moderation (read: censorship) of "certain thread topics here" is 100% intentional.

So, the assertions raised in this thread are correct.

Hopefully, the Administrators will delete thid thread and all the haters with which it is associated.

r127 That red tagline is proof positive that this forum is no longer being moderated by a gay person but by a trans or queer or binany or whaterver person. Explains a lot.

How dare actual women be allowed to speak, R23. Only men pretending to be women are allowed to opine about womanhood. After all, womanhood is just lipstick, tits and posing for slut pics, right!

Fucking moron.

The trans cult has nothing to do with gays. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Autogynephilia is a fetish. Neither of which has anything to do with homosexuality or womanhood. Fuck off back to your own forums and stop stinking up DL with your mental bullshit.

R128, you really don't belong here. Reddit is more your fascist style.

I find it a bit hard to follow reddit threads sometimes, but the guy who got banned up thread here (the doctor), if I’m reading it right, he was advocating for supporting the young trans nephew and being there for the nephew to talk to as he explores his gender. He also mentioned he has a 10 year old nephew who was exploring gender, who thought he might be a girl because he liked cooking and boys, and after 6 months the boy decided he was a boy after all.

It sounded very supportive all up - I don’t understand the rationale for banning him. If he’d been dating hateful things I would see why, but he wasn’t, unless I missed something?

Scary AF part 1

Scary AF part 2

^ Even children and lower IQ people immediately understand that something made out of colon (their fake vagina), filled with poop, would forever smell like poop. Why would it smell like anything else but poop? "Wound healing smells"?

Wound closes. Fake slit that needs to be dilated never does, forever producing poop smell through that exact slit, aka COLON slit.

Scary discussion

Gender ideology is more closely related to the cluster-b personality disorders. It has nothing to do with sexual orientations such as L, G and B.

Gender ideology proponents are cry-bullies. Young straight women, who call themselves gay men, seek out confrontations in sub-reddits for actual gay men. They are incredibly angry because there are some corners of reddit where gay men haven't bent the knee to their sick ideology. They're not looking to build bridges with gay men and lesbians. What they want is submission.

These young straight women are not our allies and they are certainly not gay men. They despise actual gay men because they know we're men and they also know, on a fundamental level, that they will never be men.

Once they get a rise out of gay dudes in gay sub-reddits, they screenshot the exchange and post it to their trans subs. They do this to convince themselves and others that "cis white gay men" are bigots and transphobes.

Here is one such cry-bully. I'm guessing she's either a teenage girl or a young woman in her early twenties.

So much mental illness here

And scary pictures of genitalia mutilation

R134

R133/R135 Not to be callous, but if they smell that obviously strongly, it’s a useful red flag to others (especially women). Like having every inch of the body covered in tattoos and piercings, or having Danger-coloured dyed hair. People know to steer clear.

I understand these people are ill, vulnerable, delusional and have been sold a bill of goods. For that I’m truly sorry and sympathetic, especially as I too have fallen victim to (different) medical malpractice.

But at the end of the day, women and gay men need always be vigilant and prioritise our own safety, because society has proven time and again that they won’t help us.

Medically, what do they do with people like the one above who has the shit smelling neo-hole but then decides to detrans. You can't just let it close up with all that bacteria in there, can you? Do they remove everything and just leave the person a complete eunuch?

R138 the weirdest part is when their results look horrible and they write about their complications , about necrosis and revisions and god knows what and the last line is inevitably a form of "I'm super happy with the results , no regret!!!! Of course all their fellow cult members always tell them how great it looks and nobody can tell it's not a real vagina or penis .

R142: well, they have to convince themselves that everything is still all good, despite all the problems they’ve just described. Otherwise their entire Fantasy will fall apart, and they’ll have acknowledged the painful truth that they’ve been sold a lie, and more

And I don’t think these people on Reddit are ready to face that, yet

^ * they’ll have to acknowledge

"Yet" is definitely the appropriate word, R143. The next few years will be a reckoning with reality that most of them are not going to enjoy. I can't wait for progressives, liberals, Democrats to get back to being the groups that believe in and espouse science and reality.

R137, did you read the responses?

" amputated only applies to limbs. Last I checked I could never use my boobs as limbs" So you had a mastectomy for no medical reason, then. That's accurate.

""ew ur arm flesh tube is gross lol" The bionic cock can stay hard for months straight if wanted, we can make them as large as fat as we like, and it is std/sti resistant. You minutemen cissies could never begin to hope to compete against our Warmhammer 40k Omnissiah biomech cocks." I'm pretty sure none of these girls have ever touched a penis.

I think this is one instance where male socialization may help these girls. Men (or any orientation) aren't going to accommodate and coddle these women with delusions. Maybe it will lead some girls to detransition. It's much different than the MTFs, where women trip over themselves to compliment them, and stay with their husbands when the husbands go 'lesbian.'

[quote] It's much different than the MTFs, where women trip over themselves to compliment them, and stay with their husbands when the husbands go 'lesbian.'

A lot of those wives are being abused and gaslit, or are unsafe to speak out publicly against their husbands' fet!shes.

There's even a term for it, 'Trans Widows'.

R145 For the longest time I tried to figure out why these young women want to insert themselves into gay men's spaces. Logically, it would seem that they should be trying to get with bi dudes, the sort of men who might be open to diving into a beaver buffet.

What they crave more than anything is validation. Getting with a bi dude doesn't give them the same sort of validation as trying to sleep with gay dudes.

Gay men are nothing more than NPCs in their personal validation drama.

It's similar to when a married straight guy turns trans. Often times, they demand that their wives start referring to themselves as lesbians. It's all about validation.

R147, you're right about trans widows. But there are some that go along with it, for whatever reason. In my city there's a power couple. The wife is a prominent academic and the husband is a big shot lawyer. The husband transitioned, I'm sure that gave both of them some more social capital.

[quote] What they crave more than anything is validation. Getting with a bi dude doesn't give them the same sort of validation as trying to sleep with gay dudes.

[quote]Gay men are nothing more than NPCs in their personal validation drama.

[quote]It's similar to when a married straight guy turns trans. Often times, they demand that their wives start referring to themselves as lesbians. It's all about validation.

This seems pretty accurate with some of these people. On another thread awhile ago, we were talking about Gaby Dunn (now a trans man) and Drew Gregory (now a trans woman), and the topic of needing validation is so accurate to these two. Gaby whines about needing to be "seen" all the time; how gay men are horrible if they don't "see" her as a gay man. Drew talks about wanting to be raped by a straight man to validate him as a lesbian (because this horrible act has happened to real lesbians he knows). These people do go to see therapists, but clearly the therapy is not aimed at the right issues.

[quote] Drew talks about wanting to be raped by a straight man to validate him as a lesbian (because this horrible act has happened to real lesbians he knows).

Some people really do just need putting out of their and all our misery.

Those people are disturbed, R150. Gosh, doctors today are shit.

R151 - It made my blood run cold when I read it.

Exactly R152 - I wonder if these doctors are worried about what might happen if they try and properly help these people, rather than just affirming them?

Doctors today are Nazis, and I don’t care if that’s hyperbole, they are, and I hope people in the coming decades do not let the medical community forget it.

[quote]Drew talks about wanting to be raped by a straight man to validate him as a lesbian (because this horrible act has happened to real lesbians he knows).

Reading this took me to a very dark place down memory lane.

What the fucking fuck?

R155, I’m really, genuinely sorry my post did that to you. I hope you’re ok x

Isn't this the USA?

Don't people have the freedom and liberty to live their lives as they please without discrimination?

Why do we have to attack and spew vile hatred towards a group of people?

[quote]Don't people have the freedom and liberty to live their lives as they please without discrimination?

And yet reparative therapy is banned in some states and growing.

This is the USA, I agree, and neither transgenderism or ex-gay reparative therapy should exist. If you want either, you’re free to travel to places where those are celebrated like Middle East. There, you’re free to do whatever you want to your body.

*the

Funny thing R23 is that these bigoted cunts are always complaining about trans WOMEN stealing their spaces and about how poor oppressed females can't have anything without men ruining it (when history shows it's exactly the opposite) BUT they're more than happy to INFEST a male gay message board to spread their completely unwanted right-wing narratives and they refuse to leave.... Oh the irony! These bored bitches are certainly brazen; noticing this behavior pattern I know that their transphobia stems from their insecurity and narcissism.

A white gay male misogynist, pure and simple^.

You're telling on yourself and the T, R160. You just can't help yourself. Defend the T without resorting to misogynistic name-calling. We'll wait.

I am more than happy to call you and the other transphobic cunts all sorts of name R162, go to FRAUlounge and stop bothering gay men with your autistic obsession about trans people, we are NOT here to engage you or to let you transform daalounge into whatever you want to.

You should be red tagged^.

Rachel Maddow needs to see this documentary.

When libs hear from a prominent member of the gay community that it’s bigoted to not want drag queens around children or that the republicans are EVIL for outlawing blocking puberty for gender nonconforming children, we don’t have a chance in hell.

Maddow uses her very large platform to normalize & promote this absurdity.

I used to think she was smart. But now I don’t think she’s smart enough to make a u-turn before driving over a cliff. I guess celebrity makes one stupid. Glad I’m not as successful as she hahaha

My hands are clean. Rachel’s are bloody.

Why does r162 et prev think it is “fraus” here criticizing TRAs? I’m a gay man and while the trans people I know in real life are by and large lovely, the online activists are unhinged—and plenty of straight women are among their most vociferous “allies.”

In this video a psychologist talks about the prevalence of cluster-b personality disorders and psychopathy among trans activists.

We've seen it here on DL. The trans activists are the most unhinged.

Because he’s “belittling” you, R166. He’s attempting to remind you if your place in society. Because you’re a gay male, in his mind, you’re a “woman”, which he believes is someone who is a housewife, subservient to men. Straight men, in his mind. It’s very dated thinking.

All basically educated people with half a brain need to do is watch 'I Am Jazz' and 'Desmond Is Amazing', and they'll put the pieces together for themselves.

Sadly, many people don't even have that much capacity to think critically.

What I find so troubling is that there are two very conflicting views among TRA . You don't need dysphoria to be trans , everyone is valid ( which then leads to them not being able to criticize the fetish breasted Canadian teacher) , you can be anything you want to be and you don't owe people androgynity but at the same time "trans kids" are only valid if you medicate them and therapy is gatekeepingly close to genocide . And honestly , there are no trans kids , there are kids who may or may not have gender dysphoria ,chronic or not and those kids deserve proper mental health care , what they don't need is mothers (why is it so ofter mothers) who beat their toddler sons for looking at the "wrong" toys for too long . Ever heard the name Kai Shappley ? Because that's exactly what his/her mother did to him/her (who knows how this kid would have turned out , it doesn't matter enymore because Mama Shappley in her religious fear of the gay child decided he was her straight daughter and took any chance of self discovery away from her preschooler )

Desmond is gay, correct?

r170 One of my baby cousins was briefly going around saying she was a boy when she was 3. Nobody indulged her and constantly corrected her and told her, "No, you're not a boy. You're a girl." We have no idea where it came from, but we suspect that going to a kid's birthday where got a lot of attention and toys might have triggered it (she wanted his toys which were all 'toys for boys').

Fast forward 7 years later and shes doing cheerleading, dance, and is super girly. My cousin, her dad, has been having issues with little boys wanting to come over and play with her. I'm slightly afraid for their safety as she ages. :-/

You are blocked but I can still read the crap that you write, British troll R168.

Your bad attempt at feminism, something you despise, because you are a racist right winger Daniel, is a bad taste joke.

------------ And if you are a gay man indeed troll R166, then you are a sad disgrace of gay dude who should be ashamed of being proud of being transphobic and HELPING republicans DESTROY LGBTTQ acceptance with their hatred and targeted lies.

All the nasty things being said about drag queens and transgenders has also been said about gay people.

Your whitehood DOESN'T make you part of the establishment, regardless of how racist you are or how much money you make, once gay men go down, ALL OF US will be affected.

In case you haven't noticed the same anti-trans republicans you praise have tried to pass 300 anti-lgbt bills in 2022; they haven't stopped in 2023.

We are already being called groomers and that's the people you want to defend?

You are lame! PATHETIC!

Where have I praised any Republicans, r173?

You are praising republicans FRAU, by doing their devil's work of promoting their insane and evil talking points when this is happening:

I am so happy that the lunatic at R173 is still off his meds. It is so entertaining watching someone unravel, and display levels of emotion that are WAY out of proportion for the venue. Kanye seems to be laying low lately but we still have R173!

R176 And she keeps creating new sock-puppet accounts. But you can always tell it's her by the writing style, random capitalizations, and unhinged rants.

R175, and I'm tracking the ACLU.

What a mess they've been turned into. Some of their former heads have been appalled at their recent actions.

R178 They need to speak out, as the old school transsexuals need to.

R157, do you think people should have the right to amputate their legs so they can identify as an amputee? No, of course not.

There are no hospitals advertising that they specialize in "amputee health care". That would be crazy.

The same common sense should apply to sexual organs.

That Strangio person has a very one track focus and rather than trying to improve things for trans people spends all her time blaming gay men and straight women for everything wrong in her world. It’s weird.

Chase Strangio's constant complaints about us comes off as pure resentment simply because we're not interested in seeing things the way she wants us to see them.

Remember when she was outraged because someone said there were no gay men leading a pride parade that she was leading? “Why don’t you think I’m a gay man!” she moaned.

She hates us buts washes to be us so badly.

^wIshes, not wAshes, oops.

I'd wager that the overwhelming majority of us gay men don't regard Chase as one of ours. That's it. Full stop. End of story. We're not going to prostrate ourselves over it, we'll just declare it and move on. And Chase should move on as well.

Yep. You know, pride is all about being comfortable with yourself and unapologetic about who you are, I think. If she is still trying for approval or validation from others, I’d say she still has a lot of work to do on herself.

I haven't watched it yet but downloaded it now. Thanks, OP!