Academy ‘Conducting Review’ After Andrea Riseborough’s Surprise Oscar Nomination, Part 2

When do we expect results of today's meeting?

What does Faye Dunaway think?

I'm not sure we know the specific time of the meeting, which makes predicting the results difficult. I do think they'll announce a decision shortly after the meeting ends.

Why are they bothering to investigate this nonsense, when for many years they totally ignored my more serious charges of BLATANT CATEGORY FRAUD????

Ana's nomination is what they should be investigating

Thanks OP

I have no idea how old the girl is, r599, and I don't care nor do I care how you, personally, feel about my English language usage.

Jada's testimony is about to begin.

Nothing against this Andrea chick but it's strange that in a year of so many great leading performances by black females that not one was nominated. And to nominated Ana, Michelle W. over Viola? What disrespect.

Michelle Williams is nominated?

R8 how do you know this? And where is this investigation taking place?

That clip (except for the profanity) looked like a tv movie that Elizabeth Montgomery would have done well with in the 1970's.

R9, The rules state the five performers with the most votes become the nominees. Period. Full stop.

R13, dummy yes I am aware. Fucking And?

[QUOTE] Nothing against this Andrea chick but it's strange that in a year of so many great leading performances by black females that not one was nominated. And to nominated Ana, Michelle W. over Viola? What disrespect.

What is strange about it? Voters chose other actors over Viola and Danielle. This happens every year. Where was the outrage when Lady Gaga was snubbed? Did you also

What is strange to me is that in a year when the most Asian performers ever were nominated for acting in the Academy’s history, there are people trying to re-trend #OscarsSoWhite. I suppose Asian actors don’t count.

What about Brian Tyree Henry’s surprise supporting nomination (which was well-deserved)? Is Angela Basset, the front runner for Best Supporting Actress, suddenly not black?

It’s fucking ridiculous. Viola Davis not receding an annual filler nod is not a hate crime.

r14 You were claiming the black actresses were disrespected in favor of Andrea Riseborough.

Obviously, Viola Davis didn't host enough meet and greets this year to schmooze her way to a nomination.

[QUOTE] That clip (except for the profanity) looked like a tv movie that Elizabeth Montgomery would have done well with in the 1970's.

Hi, Jada!

It does seem like social media would be more useful in securing nominations rather than a few cocktail parties only a limited number can attend.

Michelle Ywoh will not win. Cate Blanchett already has her third Oscar waiting for her to pick up.

The better question is why it has taken so long for members to utilize the far reach of social media.

Oscar bait can be black as much as white. And Till and Woman King were both Oscar bait as much as a Marilyn biopic or a #metoo lesbian. Just more obvious.

Allowed: zillion-dollar billboards and "For Your Consideration" ads that pump up the trades

Not allowed: "Come over and watch this movie with us"

Ridiculous.

Funny thing is... Riseborough would have likely lost. Because of the current brouhaha, she could damn well win.

I hope she does win. It would serve them right, all those pigs at the trough.

The lush ladies of Hollywood made their bed, now they should lie in it.

To drag one of their own through mud after collectively hoisting her would be fantastic cuntery.

Will there be an exposé of everyone else involved? How did, say, Cate Blanchett fall so hard for this? Is it a performance that just can’t be ignored?

Anytime Viola Davis isn’t nominated it’s a crime against humanity!

Do we even know for sure if Viola Davis, or any other Black actress for that matter, was the 6th highest vote getter in the category?

[quote]What does Faye Dunaway think?

"I could've played that part!"

[quote]Ana's nomination is what they should be investigating

Seriously. Shit actress in a shit movie.

r29. Oh Faye, you and I both know you would be nowhere near a film with a $27 thousand budget. You are destined for much bigger things.

R31 $27k wouldn't even cover Faye's wig and salad budget.

BEARKING just now!

To summarize R33, Riseborough's nomination will not be rescinded. There will be rules changes announced after this year's Oscars, and the Academy board will deal with the concerning behavior on social media with those parties directly (which probably means Frances Fisher gets a private reprimand).

Andrea will win now.

Has Viola released a statement yet?

I think she just might, R35. She will probably get a good number of grievance votes, such as Paul Schraeder's.

I would LOVE if she won. Just to see their face

Listen, I recognize and agree that people of color, including Blacks and African Americans, Asians, Native Americans, Latinos and Hispanics, and persons of other races or that are multiracial, have long and often been systematically abused and discriminated against, overlooked and disregarded, but THIS—maligning Andrea Riseborough for earning a fucking Oscar nomination, which is based on subjectivity—is fucking ridiculous. The fact that she’s more than deserving of the nod and, some might argue, award makes all of this doubly disturbing, egregious, and infuriating. She can not be blamed for years—hell, EPOCHS—of racism and discrimination, nor should her nomination be chalked up to “white privilege,” however real that privilege may be. And attempts to do either are wholly disingenuous and reek of perceived vested interests bordering on delusional and the proverbial sour grapes.

How about a majority of her voting peers preferred her over some of the other fucking actresses in contention? Enough!

If kstew was able to get a nom with her horrible of horrible so called acting in Spencer, then Andrea who is so muuch better at this than kstew, deserves a nomination

How the hell is this even an issue? Millions of dollars of consideration campaigns are fine, but asking your colleagues to post on social media deserves an investigation? How fucking elitist.

Are they going to retroactively investigate Diane Ladd for cooking dinners for Academy members in 1990 now?

R39 - Jennifer Anniston

I think if Cate Blanchett was going to win now Andrea will win. I think if Michelle Yeoh was going to win then Yeoh will still win. Which is to say I think enough Blanchett voters might switch to Andrea but not so many Yeoh voters will switch. If that makes sense. Maybe if Deadwyler or Davis had gotten in they would've stolen some of Yeoh's votes though, and she'll benefit from bing the only non-white acting nominee.

Looks like Frances Fisher is going to get her pee pee whacked.

Does someone have a brief explanation for what Riseborough is alleged to have done that was so out of line?

It's not clear to me except that it has something to do with the internet.

Cate Blanchett screwed up her chances of a third Oscar by falling for this stunt and trying to be woke

You people are putting way too much stock into how academy voters love diversity votes. Again, Michelle Yeoh does not have half the sob story of dead Chadwick Boseman and he still lost to the superior performance, despite other nominations of critically acclaimed nonwhite guys like Riz Ahmed and Steven Yeun.

R45 She got nominated outside the usual expensive channels (billboards, ads in the trades, hosting meet and greets) of getting nominated.

You fags did NOTHING after my snub. No campaign. No Twitter tears. No unfettered outrage.

NOTHING.

And after all I've done for you?

Ingrates.

I admit I’m behind thish controvershy! Fuck riseshborough

Was Cate Blanchett the most vocal in praising Andrea? Did she not think Andrea would ever get nominated and compete against her? When Andrea wins , Cate will look like a moron

R45 and R48 And not spending that kind of money and still scoring a nomination pissed a lot of people off.

But what is there about "going outside the billboards and trade publications for the nomination" that is against the rules of the Academy requiring some sort of "action" from them about it?

Are they just pretending she did something wrong because they were surprised?

R53 Basically.

This year is ripe for some slapping

And to think I hosted over100 members of the academy to free lunch at Golden Corral and I still didn't get a damn nomination!

R56 Viola, but you only sprang for the buffet. If we'd have gotten steak, you'd have gotten your nomination.

[R31] Viola Davis did indeed release a one-word statement after the decision was made. Though many thought the one-word statement would be "Congratulations !", the one-word statement was "Fuck!"

As for Faye Dunaway, a budget of $27,000 wouldn't even cover the salary of the little homosexual boy she needs for her assistant.

Why do you all assume that Viola, Jada or anyone black had anything to do with this??

That article at R60 pretty much tells you that all white currenlty popular middle aged actresses were campaigning for AR except Julia Roberts and Sandra Bullock

For those who think that this means Riseborough can win, remember that only the nomination stage is over, and campaigning for the win still costs money that the producers and distributors behind To Leslie just don't have. They can't rely on the likes of Frances Fisher sending tweets, and the preferential ballot that made it possible for Riseborough to be nominated with fewer than 300 people seeing her movie and voting for her doesn't come into play anymore.

Now the entire membership of the Academy has to see her performance, and the cinematographers, sound editors and the like haven't, and beyond contrarians like Paul Schrader, there's no guarantee they will just because of the controversy.

If Riseborough campaigns, it'll be on her own dime, and it may not even be possible. Because she didn't plan for an awards campaign, she may have prior commitments. And even if she has the time, I doubt she has the hustle of a Chastain or a Redmayne to work the circuit, and that's probably required for her to have even a fighting chance.

Riseborough has an underdog narrative, and that worked with CODA last year -- because they also had Apple money.

That skinny white bitch is going down! This ain't over!

R62 What about the free earned media this controversy has generated? And that didn't cost her a damn cent!

r62, let’s not lose sight of the fact that Andrea co-starred with the biggest Oscar vote campaigning ho of all time and that’s Allison Janey. Allison’s probably giving Andrea her cookie recipe even as we post. I lost all respect for that boney old Amazon when she stole that vote from the far deserving Laurie Metcalf.

There’s only 2 televised pre Oscar awards left right? I don’t think she will win, but I don’t think she’s going to need to campaign too much since this got her millions in free publicity and will pique the attention of voters who thought they had their minds made up.

Blanchett and Yeoh are still the top 2 I think but blanchett isn’t all that into campaigning and is doing it for the film and for Todd field.

[R62] I disagree with you. All the money in the world simply can not buy the free publicity this controversy has generated for Andrea R. There will be a mention of this every day from now until the minute the Award is given on stage - via the media, social media platforms, in-person conversations at galas and luncheons...no studio can buy that kind of buzz. Those who never saw this movie will have seen it before voting. She will win.

R42 No, I’m a person much like those of whom I speak—i.e., of color, liberal, progressive, “woke,” if you will, although I’m beginning to question that last descriptor—and I find the greatest offenders in this fiasco to be those chastising and calling for Riseborough’s disqualification. Frankly, it’s a gross display of…I don’t even know what the fuck to call it because wokeness, or awareness, it fucking ain’t!

What this whole thing boils down to is that a bunch of performers got their butts hurt because their pet stars didn't get nominated.

"The purpose of the Academy’s campaign regulations is to ensure a fair and ethical awards process — these are core values of the Academy. Given this review, it is apparent that components of the regulations must be clarified to help create a better framework for respectful, inclusive and unbiased campaigning. These changes will be made after this awards cycle and will be shared with our membership. The Academy strives to create an environment where votes are based solely on the artistic and technical merits of the eligible films and achievements,” he concluded"

Campaigning for Oscars has always been a money game, more or less funded by the studios and producers. As in business advertising, social media have reconfigured this playing field to some extent, and a low or no budget campaign cleverly conducted through SM worked for Riseborough. The notion that votes have been "based solely on artistic merits" is laughable because it factors out the big money (spent and potentially made) campaigning for nominations. If they were serious, they would have implemented strict campaign spending limits, or simply have said no campaigning is allowed and left it to the members to figure out whom they want to vote for.

The linked article discusses how much money is involved

[quote] Again, Michelle Yeoh does not have half the sob story of dead Chadwick Boseman and he still lost to the superior performance…

R47 I hate to break it to you, but in this case, Yeoh’s IS the superior performance. As much as I love Blanchett—her performance in and win for Blue Jasmine are among my favorites—and as brilliant as she is in Tar, she still seemed to have a subtle case of the click-click-clicks. Yeoh’s performance, on the other hand, is as raw, organic, unpretentious, and fully-realized as a gut punch—and as impactful, too. Her action and comedic bits are the dazzling and soothing relief afterward.

R66 you think Cate Blanchett doesn't want to win?

Completely agree R71. Blanchett was performing a character but Yeoh was fully inhabiting one.

R71 Everything Everywhere All At Once was a piece of shit movie for 12 year olds, basically a marvel movie without the name attached. Yeoh is passable but it’s laughable it was nominated for so many acting awards. Blanchett created a fleshed out, complex character. Tar will be a classic for years to come.

All the Blanchett backlash is a classic case of either teenage frau invasion from deuxmoi or tall poppy syndrome. She’s incredible in TAR, which is a much better movie than EEAO.

R74 Blanchett created a walking meme. She’s done better. Yeoh was far superior.

I literally cannot remember the last time I watched the Oscars.

R77, I literally condole you.

Fluh-MANGO? Noooo. Tarantula was the name of it. I stayed at a hotel called the Tarantula Arms.

What is wrong with people like R77 who feel compelled to come into threads about things that don't interest them and state just how much they don't care?

Do they not realize just how boring that is?

I don't get it. Studios and actors use all sorts of politicking, influencing and shady tactics to get a nomination or a win so what did she do that was any worse?

[quote]Do they not realize just how boring that is?

Not nearly as boring as the Oscars have become.

If JLC wins over Bassett, I imagine there will be even more backlash

If you think Will Smith's slap at last year's Oscars was a show-stopper, wait till you witness this coup when the best actress is announced this year. Buckle up. When in for a long, long drive.

R81, from what I can figure out Riseborough hasn't violated any rules or done anything against the Academy's regulations. She used a vote-getting tactic that the rest of them hadn't thought of yet and they freaked out about it when it worked.

Were people objecting to this when she was actually doing it or did they just go mental when she won a nomination?

R85 Where is the evidence that she explicitly asked her peers to promote her film and campaign for her?

R85, it wasn't even that Riseborough used the tactic. People did it on her behalf (mainly the director of To Leslie, his wife Mary McCormack, and Frances Fisher). There's no public evidence that Riseborough campaigned for herself.

People didn't really object when the campaign happened because it didn't seem like it could work.

[quote] There's no public evidence that Riseborough campaigned for herself.

Precisely, which is why the backlash aimed specifically at her is so unhinged.

The last Oscars telecast I watched from beginning to end was in 1998, the year Titanic swept.

Thank you, r88, it figures that nobody bothered complaining until it worked.

Interesting that she's getting all the shit for it when it was the director, his wife and a different actress who actually engaged in the campaign.

Sally Kirkland in Anna, Diane Ladd in Wild At Heart, Hector Elizondo in Pretty Woman, Melissa Leo in The Fighter and Ann Dowd in Compliance all paid for their own screeners and ads in the trade papers. How is this that much different?

My comment/thanks were meant for R87.

[quote]it wasn't even that Riseborough used the tactic. People did it on her behalf (mainly the director of To Leslie, his wife Mary McCormack, and Frances Fisher). There's no public evidence that Riseborough campaigned for herself.

From what I was just reading on Deadline, the people who are objecting to the nomination cite Frances Fisher's tweet in which she specifically instructed voters to give their support to Riseborough and NOT to vote for the people who were considered "locks" like Deadwyler, Davis, etc. Maybe if she hadn't done that, it wouldn't be as big a controversy. But you're correct that it doesn't appear Riseborough herself did anything wrong.

Who knew that Frances Fisher had such influence through a single tweet????

Frances Fisher may have gotten herself banned from all academy events for a while.

Andrea Riseborough IS Cate Blanchett in [italic]Blanchett on Blanchett[/italic].

Follow the money and the advertising strategies.

Studios and agents pay the trades and local LA outdoor advertising companies to promote their FYC candidates. Someone uses social- and influencer-amplified word-of-mouth to circumvent the money train, and succeeds beyond all expectations.

The trades, used to getting the money on the commercial side, are freaked out so they weaponize #oscarssowhite on the editorial side to make this an culture war issue they might win, ostensibly to stamp out social and influencer campaigning before it destroys their massive yearly revenue stream (as Craigslist/Facebook Marketplace permanently disrupted traditional newspaper classifieds - why your local newspaper either sucks or doesn't exist anymore).

The black campaigners are being played, useful idiots who performed on cue in this higher-stakes battle between traditional and performance marketing in the entertainment industry. This isn't about black nominees, it's about preserving the media spend status quo, and it has failed. Expect studios to redeploy a portion of their social/influencer marketers from B2C (opening a picture and building momentum) to B2B (awards campaigning). I would.

I hate addiction movies. I still regret paying actual money to see the obnoxious Mary Elizabeth Winstead in Smashed.

So all this uproar is because social media was used? What century does the Academy think we're living in?

Bottom line, r99. Nobody makes any money when social media is utilized. Businesses benefit when people pay for billboards, trade mag ads, and big cocktail parties.

Blanchett gave a shout out to a whole list of women , not only AR

A long overdue victory for white women and their white friends!

Why make it about race?

Is it coincidence that there is now a video of Cate Blanchett making the social media rounds, where she mentions Viola, Deasdwyler ,Yeoh , Hathaway, TangWei? Who is that btw

She doesn't mention Williams or Armas.

R103 Because some people’s bandwidth can reach but so far.

R97 Assessment is astute and, quite frankly, a turn on… I read their post again and envisioned a big-dicked daddy top teaching me the ways and whims of Hollywood and trades campaigning.

Tang Wei starred in Decision to Leave and was quite good in it. I would have nominated her over most of the women who earned Best Actress nominations this year.

[quote] Is it coincidence that there is now a video of Cate Blanchett making the social media rounds,

The sinister overlords who control social media must be doing this with one purpose in mind!

Everyone is making social media rounds. It’s awards season.

I never got a response why you guys believe the black actresses had a hand in this so called investigation? Is there concrete proof or you all just enjoy hating on black women?

"beyond contrarians like Paul Schrader"

Why contrarian, R62? He said he would be voting for her. Who should he vote for--Blanchett or Yeoh?

A lot of what you say is probably true, but it also sounds like you're down on Riseborough.

R109 using the non-expression “hating on” isn’t likely to guarantee any responses.

R87, the article linked above mentioned that Riseborough's manager and publicist were a part of the campaigning, so by extension, then, so was she.

Biggest Publicity Whore?

I OWN that title, cunts!

Are the blacks going to boycott the Oscars again this year?

Don't be ridiculous, R114!

Who keeps saying Cate will win? She’s tainted by the whole thing as a privileged white woman.

I will no longer be in attendance at this year's ceremony.

The winners will be 1 black, 2 Asian, and 1 whale.

R116=too stupid for words

What if Cate and Andrea tie?

Then the Oscar automatically goes to Meryl, R120. It's in the Academy by-laws.

R120 then they both take home an Oscar. It happened in 1969 with Streisand ("Funny Girl") and Hepburn ("Lion in Winter").

More and more, Bassett is sitting pretty. All this drama solidifies her as the 1 black actor who will win. They practically have to give it her.

R123 Yes, they will save the 'Best Supporting Actress' for the very end, and she will go home empty handed. (Think back to 'Best Actor' with Chadwick B - they practically had to give it to him).

^They do have the option of two Asians and an intersex in the category though.

How would Cate ever look herself in the mirror if she took an award away from an Asian? She should sit this one out.

Can someone explain the title “To Leslie”?

I just watched Tar and it's a ridiculous movie

[quote]r2 What does Faye Dunaway think?

[italic]LA LA LAND!

Was Cate playing herself in that movie?

Cate's had enough

Hallelujah!^^ she is exhausting

Surprised Cate is uncomfortable with wokness when she seems to be one of the most woke of these white actresses

This article @ r131 is poorly written trash

which makes it ideal reading material for DL R134

[quote]r62 If Riseborough campaigns, it'll be on her own dime, and it may not even be possible.

It would be so funny if Blanchett now gave her a blank check to fund further campaigning.

Hollywood would have a MELTDOWN.

I read the article in the Hollywood Reporter. Isn't this exactly how nominations SHOULD happen? Other actors finding a performance that they go gaga over and then telling their friends who tell their friends who tell their friends.

Isn't that also how we all decide to read a book or watch a show? I watched The Last of Us strictly because of the DL. I even waited to see how you homos reacted before I dug in. Overall, you guys loved it. So I watched. Doesn't mean I will love it, but it's why I tuned in. Turns out? I love it! So I told a bunch of my friends. Rinse repeat.

I'd much have had word of mouth from other actors decide the noms than studio heads or paid off reviewers.

[quote]R68 I find the greatest offenders in this fiasco to be those calling for Riseborough’s disqualification.

And who did that?

R131 But Cate's face is FINALLY just beginning to morph, distort, puff up and harden into that perfect Hollywood plastic Joker face, so she can't quit acting now!

Is she getting ready to do "The Joan Rivers Story"?

Just like her fellow Aussie, wax figure Kidman, Cate really fucked up her face. Why do these women do that to themselves??

That story should say, “Cate, a staunch Republican, is fed up with …”

Promises, Promises. Goodbye Cate!

I wonder who is behind this?

I won't spoil anything but the last scene with Leslie and Alison Janney had me tearing up. Beautifully acted.

Radar Online? Really? Why not the Daily Mail next?

How so, R128?

R128 = Michelle Yeoh

Wasn’t there an article about Cate being at David Cameron or some other right wing European leader’s inauguration party or something? I seem to recall that she is right leaning in politics.

I finf that rather hard to believe she leans right, R149.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Tar was so much more innovative and life-affirming than Everything Everywhere All At Once, was it not? I mean, I’ve never seen [italic]anything[/italic] like what Todd Field and Cate Blanchett merged to create; it was staggeringly fresh and original.

On the other hand, Daniel Kwan, Daniel Scheinhert, Michelle Yeoh et al. produced a tale so pallid and formulaic—something we’ve seen many times before—it barely held my attention.

The above article from the Daily Mail (sorry) says she's big on climate change and asylum seekers, so not right wing.

[quote]Nobody makes any money when social media is utilized.

R152, of all the things one might be able to walk away from with "Tar," life affirmation was not one of them. Nor did I find it innovative, unless you consider putting the front credits in the back and the back credits as title credits innovative. I didn't like either "Tar" or "EEAAO," or either performance, in particular. They both seemed hammy to me, with Blanchett edging out Yeoh in the overacting category, but just barely.

The best movie I've seen so far from last year was a documentary: "All The Beauty and the Bloodshed." There was a movie that had real empathy and life affirmation, as well as righteous anger.

R155 It was sarcasm, love, but I respect your opinion.

Ah, R156. You had me until I reread your remarks about EEAAO as "formulaic."

r154 you're right. I should have said social media doesn't cost anything to use.

R151, so her kids are republican then? When did Cate have a daughter? Is that her son's kid?

No, R159.They roll their eyes at their mother because she's their mom preaching at them, not because they're Republicans. Jesus.

R150, Do tell why is it so hard to believe that a rich white woman leans to the right in her poltical views?

R161, did you see the Daily Mail article upthread that says Blanchett is "passionate" about climate change and the rights of asylum seekers? Does that sound like right wing to you? Those issues are just as much the cause of a rich white person as her polar opposite, you do realize?

R110, contrarian was the most polite way I could describe Schrader, who has done some amazing work as both a screenwriter and a director, but is also a bit of a crank. That's not because his support for Riseborough, that's just his reputation and even he knows it. He's acknowledged how studio publicists demanded he deactivate his social media before the release of his movies, which means that he is a fantastic celebrity to follow but definitely not a person whose opinion represents mainstream Academy taste all that often.

I do support Riseborough's nomination based on her performance in To Leslie, but I don't think she has much of a shot at winning and find a lot of the arguments for her to be silly and delusional. Ultimately, I think this is the type of story that riles up Oscar pundits and Film Twitter for a week or two, but won't matter all that much to most Academy members, who ultimately won't care all that much about the symbolism of Riseborough's nomination either way when they finally cast their vote.

How much of the support from Winslet and Theron is to make sure Blanchett doesn't get to 3 before they get to 2?

No R159 she adopted the daughter, but not from an African Baby Catalogue

"not from an African Baby Catalogue"

Well color me shocked R165, I was just thinking how strong is this kid's Nigerian features. Now look at me with egg on my face

To Leslie was not THAT great . Her performance was average,not oscar worthy.

R167 = Viola

It's a good thing she ordered from the white baby catalogue because Cate Blanchett doesn't look like someone who would know what to do with a black baby anyways

"anyways"

Oh, dear, R169.

It's "anyway."

Excuse my beauty.

R164 you do realise that Cate too was advocating for Andrea to get recognized for her work in To Leslie, right?

Whomever wins the SAG award between Michelle and Cate could be very telling.

R173, it'll only be telling if Blanchett wins, because the SAG awards are very populist and thus that award is widely expected to go to Yeoh. The same applies for BAFTA. Since most people expect Blanchett to win that award, a Yeoh upset would be really telling.

If the expected happens, this Best Actress race feels a lot like 2002, when Kidman and Zellweger won their Globe races, split BAFTA and SAG, and both were in very strong Best Picture contenders.

The SAG is not “populist” - it’s done by mass voting blocks. EEAO is the most popular movie of the year, it’s basically a Marvel movie, so it’s for man and woman children, which sadly represents a lot of the current viewing audience. And Glenn Close won the SAG in 2018. So did Viola Davis in 2011 and 2020. And Meryl in 2008. And Julie Christie in 2007. You get my point, they more than occasionally get the actresses wrong.

The populism argument for movies annoys me anyway. The mass public has shit for brains. It’s like saying Citizen Kane lost Best Picture because How Green Was my Valley was the “populist” choice, no, it was mostly because CK had too much provocation towards the wrong group of people.

Also Cate isn’t a right winger. I don’t know why people on here keep trying to smear her. Most celebrities are in practice political moderates, even the ones who pay lip service to left wing social justice shit.

R175 re Cate being right wing: there are rumours all over the internet that she is. This is not a rumour singular to the DL.

R175 "Smear her "? Oh Mary!!!

'Social justice shit ' Oh dear!

Over 100 thousand member vote for SAG Awards. 90% of which barely work a time or two a year in a commercial. They're not exactly the the most reliable to choose quality. They many times choose popular actors.

Meryl is behind all of this to keep Cate from getting a third.

Very unlikely R179

I don’t think Meryl cares.

I also don’t think BAFTA or SAG have any effect on this year’s BA race. I personally think Cate will lose because TAR is a pretentious dud that no one will watch.

[Quote] re Cate being right wing: there are rumours all over the internet that she is. This is not a rumour singular to the DL.

Rumors R176 but anything to substantiate them?

[quote] r176 … Julie Christie in 2007. You get my point, they more than occasionally get the actresses wrong.

Giving Ms. Christie an award is never, ever wrong.

Riseborough will win.

[quote]There's no public evidence that Riseborough campaigned for herself.

Oh well, this spoils the whole story for me. I want to see AR publicly own the grassroots campaign and her passion for the film.

R182, yes some chick posted on Twitter that Cate had been seen partying with Murdoch and celebrating BJ election win? There was even a thread here about it.

Here's the thread about it. There's no real substantiation, although if some enterprising DL sleuth wants to figure out whether Blanchett was in London in December 2019, I'm sure it's possible.

R188, who is this Hannah Jane Parkinson person who made this accusation? She also refers to CB as her wife? Very telling of the mental state of these Looney Tunes who post such garbage.

R188, Parkinson is a Guardian writer, according to her Twitter bio, but I don't know anything more about her or the person who actually saw Blanchett at the News Building in London.

Wait a minute, this does not add up. Why would Cate be celebrating Boris Johnson winning anything when she is Australian? Why would she care about the state of UK politics?

R189, writers too can be lunatics. This so called writer posted a quote on her social media account. She has no proof. No photos=it didn't happen

Has Andrea released a statement on her scandalized nomination?

Whomever wins the SAG award

*Whoever*

At her level of fame, Cate is going to be at the same party as some unsavory people at some point. You can't control an invite list for a huge corporate event.

I don’t know if Cate, Viola et al even care about winning another Oscar. They’re set.

R195, don’t be ridiculous. You can never have enough Oscars.

[QUOTE] I don’t know if Cate, Viola et al even care about winning another Oscar. They’re set.

Are you joking? Viola is extremely thirsty for a Leading Actress Oscar.

Its always nice to win an Oscar.

I still want more

[quote]Over 100 thousand member vote for SAG Awards. 90% of which barely work a time or two a year in a commercial. They're not exactly the the most reliable to choose quality. They many times choose popular actors.

^^ EXACTLY. Years ago I worked for an arts organization that had a lot of mostly out of work actors filling in as temps. Right around this time of year, you would hear these dick weeds endlessly prattle on with each other about their SAG screeners and ballots as if their life depended on it. Most of these people did two days as background talent on a film ten years ago and would still reminisce about what craft services served for lunch that day.

R191 Seriously. I’ve lost so much respect for people over the years because of how much they believe random rumors (about famous people or otherwise) because someone on twitter said so. It’s fun to gossip, but throwing around serious stuff without proof is stupid. It’s like that one hysterical writer from the Toast (which was a funny website) who claimed Jeff Goldblum was going to be hugely MeTooed (for fucking legal aged women?) and then deleted her account when asked to provide proof.

Cate has been telling people not to vote for her. She doesn’t want the inevitable scandal if she wins.

"Cate being right wing: there are rumours all over the internet that she is. there are rumours all over the internet that she is."

Well, then, R176, it MUST be true!

There will be no scandal if Cate wins - her performance in worthy.

No chance she's telling people not to vote for her. She is the poster girl for doing whatever it takes to get that award.

Oh please. Blanchett has more than enough money, movie and TV offers. Plus, for artistic satisfaction she can act important roles whenever she wants for her husband’s international theater company. Or really, at any theater she chooses.

I wager getting another Oscar isn’t high on her list of goals. Especially as they’ve become somewhat tacky achievements.

R205 don't be ridiculous. Cate Blanchett is as thirsty for this award as much as all the other women who are nominated.

Cate is over

[quote]Cate has been telling people not to vote for her. She doesn’t want the inevitable scandal if she wins.

Please- anyone who would be telling people not to vote for her would have taken her name out of consideration shortly after the nominees were announced a week ago. This is pure BS.

Yea why would Cate not want to win? She's done her part by calling for more diversity already. Plus, she loves awards.

Maybe Viola would be more likely to be nominated and win if she didn't have snot running out of her nose in every goddamned movie she was in.

R210, stop with the nonsense. It's obvious you haven't watched The Woman King.

People have had sufficient of Viola.

r212, based on the continuous decreasing ratings, people have had sufficient of the Oscars.

Tar budget: $35 million

Tar gross: $9.6 million

The “Best Actress” this year is going to have engage in a private dance number at my behest and eventually pry the statuette from McDormand’s toned, clammy cunt.

I’ve certainly seen to that.

Opposing view to consider from someone who kind of likes the idea of Andrea’s nomination.

In 95 years, one woman has won best actress. Viola’s film had an outstanding Rotten Tomatoes rating.

I ,ind of understand why Black performers and industry watchers are quite frustrated.

R214 Cate B was the only big star in this movie. I bet the actors paycheck were probably less than 5 million

R216 while Viola's movie was a hit her performance was not undeniable or memorable. Deadwyler should have replaced De Armas on the list though, she was outstanding.

I started watching Till last night. The kid who plays Emmett was very distracting, a bit of overacting.

A tie between Andrea Risebourgh and Ana would be the perfect dramatic end to this Oscar mess.

I REALLY want Faye to announce the wrong winner.

"Michelle Williams..the singer"

So Michelle was in just 1/3 of The Fablemans, she made the cut of BA but hasn't a hope of winning. I wonder if being in Lead means more to her (and the movie) than a win?

If she'd gone Supporting then Deadwyler (or V) could have got in. And push Jamie Lee out of BSA

I think Williams would have pushed out either Hong Chau or Stephanie Hsu, even though I think both gave better performances than Jamie Lee Curtis. She campaigned hard for that nomination.

Carbon Cate is DOA.

Joyce Eng from Gold Derby thinks it’s much ado about nothing but then again, Joyce, and most of those Gold Derby podcasters have some racial blind spots.

Cate will win. It's a given

Academy voters just don't care about race as much as people think they do (the Academy board, though, is a different story). So Joyce Eng is probably right, R226.

Why is it a given when most Academy members will never watch Tar?

Bitches, I have already won, stfu already about it

I finished watching "Blonde," and I think Ana de Armas is actually good, and there are moments when the likeness is uncanny. The problem is the script and spending two-and-a-half hours having de Armas wallowing in misery, tears, and victimization. Monroe is basically portrayed as severely mentally ill, therefore fair game to anyone and everyone in the movie, and there's nowhere to go from there. They never show anyting but her life as one one long, harrowing tragedy.

And all the banging on about the JFK-rape scene is a bit pearl clutching. I think the NC-17 rating was silly.

[quote]r223 If Michelle Williams had gone Supporting then Deadwyler (or V) could have got in. And push Jamie Lee out of BSA

Whatever it takes. I want that sexless mule out of there.

[quote]r231 I think Ana de Armas is actually good, and there are moments when the likeness is uncanny. The problem is the script

I agree. She’s good. One reviewer said the problem with the script is it’s the same scene over and over again - “Marilyn enters, someone’s mean to her, Marilyn cries. Marilyn enters, someone’s mean to her, Marilyn cries. Marilyn enters, someone’s mean to her, Marilyn cries.“

However, de Armas cries well!

R231 Despite the troubling aspects of the script, De Armas is fantastic as Monroe, and as you noted, her resemblance to and imitation of her is often eerily uncanny. Ironically, her fellow nominee this year, Williams, floundered as the platinum-haired icon and certainly doesn’t deserve to be among the Best Actress nominees this year, although a case could be made for her inclusion among the Best Supporting Actress nominees.

R234, that wig Michelle is wearing in The Fabelmans is nightmare-inducing.

I just can't get past her Cuban accent which was audibly noticeable to me in the clips of Blonde I've seen.

Wasn't noticeable to me at all, R236, and I watched the entire movie. In fact, I think her American accent was very credible.

R236 There we’re fleeting traces of her accent that, interestingly enough, I feel complimented her mimicry of Monroe’s distinct and, at times, peculiar speech pattern.

Yes, I think Monroe's rather affected way of speaking aids de Armas in her imitation.

Why are they conducting a review? From the trailer it looks like she does a great job portraying a white trash type.

If De Armas was interested in playing Monroe authentically she would have tried to copy her actual speaking voice, the one heard on those tapes of her last interview.

The majority of voters won't even bother to watch Tar. No one is interested in lesbian drama.

Nonsense, R241. Jeanne Tripplehorn and every other actress who ever played Jackie Onassis didn't precisely replicate her breathy delivery, and it in no way discredited their performances.

The majority of voters only watch what films they like and vote along with the precursor awards

"No one is interested in lesbian drama."

Correction, R242--you're not. You're not everyone.

[quote]Why is it a given when most Academy members will never watch Tar?

[quote]The majority of voters won't even bother to watch Tar. No one is interested in lesbian drama.

This is just idiotic. The movie was nominated for six Oscars. Actors, writers, directors, cinematographers and editors all watched it and nominated it. Treating it like it's EO or All the Beauty and the Bloodshed at this point is just fucking dumb.

R243 I don't understand your point? If an actress really wanted to capture Monroe they would realise that she didn't speak with that whispery voice in her private life and act it accordingly. A really good performance would show all the nuances of Monroe, not just a 2D imitation.

For my money, one of the better portrayals of MM was by Kelli Garner in "The Secret Life Of Marilyn Monroe". Anyone see it?

[QUOTE] If De Armas was interested in playing Monroe authentically she would have tried to copy her actual speaking voice, the one heard on those tapes of her last interview.

Oh, Jesus. Just shut up.

It wasn't just a two-dimensional "imitation," R247. That's a frankly dense interpretation of her performance. She had enough breathy delivery to more than summon up Monroe. By the way, did you ever see "The Misfits," when Monroe has her big scene, and she's raising her voice and even screaming? She wasn't always breathy.

R250 that's exactly what I'm saying, maybe not very well. I mean if an actress was playing Monroe really deeply her private and public voices would be subtly different

R251, I bet you no one watching that movie said to themselves, "I can't watch this anymore! She's simply not breathy enough! I refuse to believe I'm watching the real Marilyn!"

By the way, I you haven't said one word about how de Armas looked, which is just as, if not more, significant. She was a dead ringer for Monroe in wig and costume and body.

The only actress outside of De Armas that has come close to emulating Monroe is Ms. Lange in King Kong and Blue Sky. No wonder David Lynch wanted to do a Monroe biopic with her.

"Do I make you happy?" - My god she was so awful in Blue Sky

I always thought that Winona should have won that year for Little Women - which is just a perfect, perfect movie.

^She was Gene Siskel's pick too

R252 we're talking at cross purposes, I meant she shouldn't have been doing that breathy little voice in all the scenes where Marilyn isn't "on", not that she wasn't doing them too much.

Yes she did look quite like Marilyn, apart from in the misguided topless scenes.

I'm not saying her performance was lousy but certain ways she pulled her face and reacted just reminded me of that bland nurse she played in Knives Out, the only other movie I saw her in.

R254 She was sublime. Sexy, mercurial, explosive, and utterly commanding. She gave a [italic]true[/italic] star turn, brimming with pathos and an infectious joie de vivre, unlike a lot of the dull, pallid, mid-tier performances that have won due to the stillness and severity of their performers.

R258 she also got her tits out!

R259 I know! 🤌🏻 Too bad certain wet blankets are more enticed—or is it simply bad faith bemoaning?—by actresses who sigh, fidget, and blink a lot, as if such mannerisms are supposed to evoke depth and nuance.

Give me tits, tantrums, and transfiguration!

R260 how would you respond to claims that if Blue Sky weren't kept on a shelf for three years, Jessica may not have even be nominated in the highly competitive years of 91-93?

She rages with such conviction and sexual appeal! M, G, A, B, C, D, E, F, Z could [italic]never[/italic]!

[quote]Give me tits, tantrums, and transfiguration!

Paging Helen Lawson.

Oh no, Lange Loon is still alive. Jessica would never be able to play Monroe. Jessica was/is very coarse and only successful playing bitchy characters like herself.

Poor Cate is undecided whether to even attend the Oscar’s.

R261 I think it’s obvious I would disagree. Then again, I’ve never bought into the rather misogynistic take, albeit an often subconscious one, that Lange was only nominated and won because “1994 was a weak year.” Those who promulgate that opinion, both the men and women, have always seemed threatened by her performance, which illustrates the dark goddess—she is Hecate, Kali, Lilith, and Persephone rolled into one—so adroitly and astutely and with aplomb, too.

R263 🤣

R264 Matt, please. Enough of your ape-like, creaturely behavior.

"which illustrates the dark goddess—she is Hecate, Kali, Lilith, and Persephone rolled into one"

MARRRRRRRRY, R265!

You're insane.

R265 do you feel she would have beat Jodie in SOTL, Snooty Emma Thompson in Howard's End or Holly Hunter and her Piano?

R268 At that point in her career, coming off of Cape Fear? Absolutely.

R267 Come’ere, daddy!

:::hops on you and gently bites your lower lip:::

[quote]she is Hecate, Kali, Lilith, and Persephone rolled into one

That was Helen Hunt.

[quote]Poor Cate is undecided whether to even attend the Oscar’s.

We feel her pain. We should put aside our own problems for a moment and think of tremendous hardship she is going through right now.

R271 🤣

I watched "To Leslie" last night. Pretty good, but nothing astounding. A rumination on regret and the mourning of missed opportunities, the pain of broken relationships, and of course alcoholism and an alcoholic who sort of overcomes and gets it nominally together by the end of the movie. I thought be best section of the movie was when she goes to see her son at the beginning. The ending is a powerful moment with a triangle of forgiveness. Nice performance by Allison Janey in that sequence. Riseborough, like the movie, was good but not spectacular. I didn't think her performance necessarily deserved an Oscar, but flip side, I have no objection to her receiving one.

I've heard the movie called "amazing" which I disagree with. It's sad and not frivolous and it's just people talking throughout. I think in this day and age there's a tendency, almost a need, to slap an "amazing" tag on such a movie since an adult character-based movie without some obvious hook is a lot more rare and it used to be.

"...THE best section ...."

"...is a lot more rare THAN it used to be."

Forgive the errors; there's probably more.

I voted and rallied a behind-the-scenes campaign for Jess in ‘94!

R264 , is Cate boycotting the Oscars now?

But she is not black..

"the Oscar’s"

Oh, dear, R264.

To Leslie is a brilliant character study and Riseborough is outstanding.

I didn't find it brilliant.

Cate should withdraw her nomination. She claimed that women shouldn't have to compete against one another. Hypocritical.much?

Bless your heart r281

Yours as well, R283.

It was the most devastating and real portrayal of alcoholism I've ever seen, in all its ugliness. Riseborough was brilliant. And the West Texas accent was so authentic, that's a hard accent that even Americans have trouble with.

[QUOTE] I voted and rallied a behind-the-scenes campaign for Jess in ‘94!

No you didn’t! You thought you might sneak in for The River Wild!

Meryl may as well have been nominated for The River Wild if they were going to shove in Sarandon and Lange for boring to terrible performances.

Lange Loon, this is not a thread about her. Start some other thread on her.

Agreed, 288. Fuck off with Lange. Nothing about this thread pertains to her.

Cate seems to have an opinion on everything. Her blabbering mouth has put her in a pickle. She needs to learn to stfu

For somes who is do vocal on social issues. I'm a bit surprised CB doesn't have any social media.

Don't forget 94 is the year Foster was nominated for Nell! Meryl almost got in for The River Wild as she has some dramatic moments standing up to the kidnappers and protecting her family. She was certainly a lot better than Sarandon in "The Client".

So I'm just streaming "Till" and it really is disgusting Deadwyler wasn't nominated, she's terrific. All good supporting acting too

The Lange haters are so deranged but also retarded in more ways than one, so one must pity them.

What are you pluralizing, R294? I'm the one who said I agree that this thread is NOT about Lange. I don't hate her; I just don't want to see a thread derailed when it's NOT ABOUT HER.

R295 You’re right. It’s really just one hater who practically organisms at any opportunity to deride and degrade her. As for you…

:::straddles you:::

Okay, daddy.

I don't think there's one nominated performance other than Jessica's in 1994 that actually deserved to be recognised.

Of course Cate will attend the Oscars and she'll wear an amazing custom Armani gown.

She will be dazzling and will have a prepared speech so that she doesn't insult or offend anyone this year. It will be hard but I think she can do it.

Will she try to use big words and get them wrong?

I like Tootsie, and I liked her speech about wine not being fattening.

R299, Let's hope she sticks to the script and practices her big words beforehand.

Cate tries too hard to appear as " the smartest person in the room" her award show speeches are always very cringe

What’s “very cringe”, R302, is that you’re not aware that “cringe” is a verb, not an adjective.

Even Cate knows that.

It's colloquially an adjective in some instances. Sometimes people use words in ways apart from their standard, "proper" usage.

r303 is 102 years old.

R303 get with the times

[quote]I just can't get past her Cuban accent which was audibly noticeable to me in the clips of Blonde I've seen.

I found her rendition of "Babalu" insufficient, but her "Cuban Pete" was masterful.

I hope Cate attends the Oscars, wins the damn thing and use her expansive vocabulary to address the room. She is fabulous.

Love ha!

Andrea R. will get the sympathy vote and take the whole thing. Cate will be crying.

Cate should storm the stage Lydia Tar style if she loses to this Andrea person

R309 why would there be any sympathy involved in voting for Andrea Riseborough? Sympathy for what??

R311 for the review which must have been humiliating

R311, for being targeted by this investigation and attack. Duh.

[QUOTE] I don't think there's one nominated performance other than Jessica's in 1994 that actually deserved to be recognised. I thought that her nomination for Music Box was well deserved. She plays a woman who finds out her father was a hardcore Nazi.

[QUOTE] I don't think there's one nominated performance other than Jessica's in 1994 that actually deserved to be recognised.

I thought that her nomination for Music Box was well deserved. She plays a woman who finds out her father was a hardcore Nazi.

R309, Andrea's nomination was the "win" for her.

The Academy will give the award to someone like Cate (maybe Michelle Y) who is part of the Hollywood system of campaigning/press/high visibility. They want to protect how they traditionally do business.

They will never ever give it to Andrea even if she gets the most votes. They do NOT want to make her way of campaigning viable to future nominees.

Yeoh is winning. It’s a wrap.

Both Blanchett and Yeoh overacted, imo, so it's really an award to be given to whomever gave the most shamelessly telegraphed performance. In those terms, Blanchett is the winner.

Sorry R315 I meant none of the women nominated for BA in 1994 deserved to be nominated, apart from Lange. I worded it badly

Sorry, but the movie sucked…trying to be a female “Red Rocket” but failed.

She’s an ok actress. But I didn’t really feel for her. Of course, I rooted for her character to sober up. But she was a hard core liquor head…drinking out of a paper bag on a park bench in the middle of the day. Stealing from her son’s roommate. Sleeping outside with nothing but a pink suitcase…& managing to avoid getting sexually assaulted.

You know how hard it is for an alcoholic like that to sober up? Irl, she could have died going cold turkey like that. Yet she did it on her own. But why?

And all of a sudden she gets the motivation & determination to open a diner…albeit a tiny one.

And why did the hotel guy even help her? He kicked her off the property & stole her suitcase. He went through her things.

Sorry, but something is off about her nomination.

r321 she really had finally hit rock bottom. It's not uncommon for even hardcore alcoholics to decide to stop drinking when that happens. It was a devastating portrayal of alcoholism.

Thanks, cunt R321, for all those spoilers. Stupid asshole.

[quote]What is wrong with people like [R77] who feel compelled to come into threads about things that don't interest them and state just how much they don't care? Do they not realize just how boring that is?

What is wrong with people like you who take the Oscars so seriously you get bothered by the mild comments of R77?

Oh, fuck off, R324. It's rude behavior by assholes who have nothing interesting to say.

You wouldn't go into a Super Bowl thread and announce how you have to be as brain-damaged as the players with CTE to enjoy the game. You wouldn't go into one of the many Broadway threads and tell them that anyone who has seen a show since A Chorus Line has wasted their money.

And yet in any discussion of the Oscars, or really in any discussion of any movie released since An Unmarried Woman hit theaters, you'll get comments like R77 complaining that other people still enjoy discussing things that they lost the ability to appreciate decades ago. It's rude, it's boring, and it deserves to be called out.

[quote]You wouldn't go into a Super Bowl thread and announce how you have to be as brain-damaged as the players with CTE to enjoy the game. You wouldn't go into one of the many Broadway threads and tell them that anyone who has seen a show since A Chorus Line has wasted their money.

You obviously haven't spent an appreciable amount of time in such threads.

[quote]It was the most devastating and real portrayal of alcoholism I've ever seen, in all its ugliness. Riseborough was brilliant. And the West Texas accent was so authentic, that's a hard accent that even Americans have trouble with.

Bitch, please! Now, I have not seen the film yet, so can't comment on her performance/accent, but it's so annoying when Anglophiles/Europhiles cut Europeans too much slack when attempting an American accent.

Many of them can't do a standard American accent right, never mind regional, yet get nominated for awards -- like Kate Winslet in TITANIC. Her accent was uneven in that, but she was Oscar-nominated. If that movie had been about a British character played by an American and the accent was dodgy, she would be ridiculed and definitely not nominated for anything. Americans are held to a higher standard, I guess.

Anyway, it's stupid to honestly believe that a distant country of just 67 million people can do a better regional accent than any of America's 332 million people.

Trust, r323, I did you a favor.

Besides, it’s been out at least three months. It’s fair game.

I saw the movie. It sucked.

Get a grip, R327!

When Marc Maron ranted about the investigation, the author of one article about his rant said that he had a "small" role in To Leslie. His role my be the biggest after Riseborough. Maybe not a true lead, but substantial.

Did Andrea get her boobs out like De Armas?

No, she's never naked or topless.

Thank God.

r327 then perhaps you should see the fucking film. A West Texas accent is difficult to do even for Americans, actors have talked about this. It's different from a standard Southern accent.

Not bad titties back when younger

Blehhhh.

[quote]R317 They will never ever give it to Andrea even if she gets the most votes. They do NOT want to make her way of campaigning viable to future nominees.

By THEY you mean DAPHNE ZUNIGA.

If nothing else, this Academy scandal exposes how she rules, and terrorizes, Hollywood.

[quote]r327 Americans are held to a higher standard, I guess.

From those who have achieved greatness, greatness is expected.

I finally watched Till last night - Deadwyler did a phenomenal job. That was definitely a snub.

I agree R339. Overall, the movie was weird. It was well put together but seemed somewhat glossy and Disneyfied even though it's dealing with a horrific murder. The score - which came in and out - was distracting and annoying, IMO.

I thought that score was distracting and annoying, too, R340, which is why I’m kind of surprised it didn’t get nominated.

Deadwyler wouldn't be the first actor overlooked due to being in a shit movie. De Armas is the one that stole a spot but the Academy can't say anything about that because then they'd be racist against a Latina and you're only allowed to be racist against white people now, especially white women.

Deadwyler did a wonderful job as Mamie Till. As I watched it I wondered what clip they would have used had she been nominated and settled on the courtroom scene where her eyes are fluttering as she recalls how she identified her son's body. She was very affecting

"De Armas is the one that stole a spot"

She didn't steal anything, R342. She was nominated by a body of Academy voters.

I thought the Abraham Lincoln ballet was superfluous......Debbie Allen has done much better work elsewhere.

Everyone is voting for Andrea for the win.

Oscar History!

R344, she was shit and was a diversity vote. So, do you love her like a gay guy obsesses over certain women like they are little dolls or are you a straight guy or lesbian who wants to fuck her? No one thinks she did anything Oscar-worthy in that piece of shit movie.

Funny, when I heard about this controversy, it made me think of that morning Howard Stern made a segment about the movie, and how extraordinary Andrea Riseborough is in it, and how he was moved to tears and couldn't get the movie out of his head. Well, it made me download the movie (a movie I would have never heard about otherwise) and after watching it I thought, really Howard ? What am I missing here? The movie is average at best. Now I understand. Howie was either paid to advertise it or he did it as a favor because he's friend of god knows who in the prod.

R347, calm down. No need to rant like some petulant Mary. I certainly don't love her. I thought her performance was much better than queens like you, who seem to have it out for her. I thought the script and the movie were very sub-par, but she was fine.

And apparently some folks in the Academy thought her performance was Oscar-worthy, because they nominated her. Get over it.

Sounds about right, 348.

I didn’t hear about the movie from Stern…just from the controversy. I had an open mind before watching it…maybe even rooting for it to be good. But…it was boring & stupid.

Her performance was fine, but not Oscar worthy.

Maybe her elite friends want her to win because she slummed as a flyover?

It's a brilliant, raw movie.

When is the big show? I'm ready to put this shitstorm in the rearview.

Me too, r343! That's exactly the scene I pegged.

You guys are being very unfair to Andrea Rottweiler.

Lots of Viola stans posting today.

Viola should do another play, she was good on stage

I just EGOT!

I just POOPED!

I just love ME!

Blow your nose, Viola - you ain't getting an Oscar.

That fucking, disgusting, running-like-a-putrid river of snot dripping off her nose. Vomitous.

Deadwyler was great expressing sublimated rage. She's a black woman in that era; she can't go off. She can't freak out and yell obscenities in public, even though that's what any normal people would want to do. She's oppressed. She has to keep it all even-keeled and "respectable" even though her son was murdered and the people who murdered are found not guilty. I guess there could have been a scene of her doing that in private, among black people. She almost gets there when questioning Emmit's uncle about why he didn't do more, but comes up short. So, even among her family and friends she's keeping it "level" - and I think she did a good job expressing that Mamie is doing that because if she starts going down that rabbit hole of rage, she wont' stop. I think we can assume that at some point after the verdict she actually does get to that point, but until then she kept it ALL together in the hopes of getting justice for her son and not looking bad in the press. Great performance, "meh" to good movie, but not very good or great.

Sad that she gets her moment to shine taken away from her. The Academy came off like Trump supporters — stolen election. Now the uproar with the Grammys and Beyoncé not winning in some category.

Speaking of Beyonce, she should get an Oscar this year, just for being Beyonce.

R303 have you never heard ANYONE say you're a fucking idiot? Fucking is a verb but if often used as an adjective.

Much like Deadwyler in Till, Andrea gives an A performance in a B movie. I wish Deadwyler had gotten in instead of De Armas.

Deadwyler = B+ according to 364. Not good enough.

R362 but she's already got TWO "Beyonce's" this year

I'm so glad EGOT holder Miss Viola Davis is calling out her so called "allies" for their blatant disregard of the discrimination that permeates Hollywood in particular the Oscars. These "sisters" and so called " feminists" get on the podium claiming to have such great admiration for Viola's work however, you don't get a pip from them regarding racial discrimination in Hollywood.

Again, Viola Davis not receiving an annual FILLER NOD is not a hate crime.

Her stans really need to attempt to move on.

Viola is getting the Chaplin Award this year.

She will be present there, taking up space.

Photo at r369 is a really good look for our EGOT holder

If an award was covered in poo, Viola would still knock someone out if the way too accept it.

Cause when you think of great comedy stars, you think of Viola Davis.

That poor woman is homely......bless her heart.

I don't recognize her without snot streaming out of her nose.

I hope she wins just to piss off Viola.

At this year's Oscars, Viola Davis will be the first recipient of the newly (and quickly) created Viola Davis Award.

[quote] Deadwyler wouldn't be the first actor overlooked due to being in a shit movie.

"To Leslie" is truly a shit movie. It's almost like that "Hard to Watch" fake movie in 30 Rock for which Tracy Jordan wins an Academy Award.

I can't believe someone posted her banana tittys.

R378, excuse me, the title was Hard to Watch: Based on the Novel ‘Stone Cold Bummer’ by Manipulate.

Neither Till nor To Leslie were good movies. Frankly, no matter who filled out the nominations, it was always going to be three women who will probably earn under 20% of the vote combined because they were in at best mediocre movies or gave at best mediocre performances.

With the race between Blanchett and Yeoh, complaining about not earning a nomination this year feels as useless as contesting a Green Party primary.

That long shot of Leslie in the bar with the Willie Nelson song playing in the background was fantastic. I think that’s where a lot of the hosannas from fellow actors is coming from. Andrea Riseborough does A LOT of work in that one shot. Her character is going through so many emotions and she essentially decides that she doesn’t want to drink anymore by the end of the shot. I got all of that from the actress - zero dialogue.

The moment I saw that scene (I watched the film on the Saturday before the nomination announcement based on all the buzz surrounding Andrea’s campaign) I knew she would be nominated.

Oh, stop it already r381. We’ve seen the movie. It was schlocky & try hard. It wasn’t worse than EEAAO & AR was fine. But it’s just not Oscar worthy. She truly was lucky to just be nominated. Everyone knows her name now. Mission accomplished. Let it go.

R382, which is why the movie wasn't nominated. The actress, however, was for her amazing performance.

[quote] She truly was lucky to just be nominated. Everyone knows her name now. Mission accomplished.

What else has this Andrea Rosenberg been in?

To Leslie reminded me a lot of The Florida Project. Where it doesn't quite feel like a real movie but it's also not garbage and there is a piece of really good acting. It's very good performance. And I agree with a poster on another thread that it's very twitchy and something a young Jennifer Jason Leigh would play. But she would still get my 1. I loved Blanchett but he was something inauthentic about the part. Although it was interesting she never has a moment of self doubt loud. She was just an asshole and one of those people who could rationalize every behavior. Like Republicans.

Was it her grandparents that Eisenbower had executed for tyranny?