All the revelations and fallout from Prince Harry's memoir SPARE, Part II

I wonder. Why would anyone bother to buy the book when all the juiciest parts get excerpted elsewhere?

This is really worth a listen. A narcissism expert talking about Meghan (amongst others). The Meghan bit starts at 30.48.

Anyone else suddenly hoping for a Meghan Markle/John Edwards Netflix series where they channel famous dead royals for their views on Megxit?

R3 Marie Antoinette thinks these bitches got off light.

The revelation that both Harry and Meghan claim Diana sends them messages from beyond the veil is really going to dog them. He sounds delusional and pathetic, and she sounds like she's exploiting his mental illness.

R5 Meghan definitely exploited all of Harry’s worst tendencies. He’ll be a total basket case when she finally kicks him to the curb.

Someone posted on the previous thread a youtube conversation with an expert on narcissism weighing in on her, and he said Meghan sounds like a classic psychopathic narcissist (a borderline) who came into a new situation, proceeded to pry from it what she wanted, and has isolated that and is feeding on it now. And the expert said Harry souned in the Netflix series like he's both very stupid and a classic co-dependent.

Is that not the link I posted above, R7? If this was also posted elsewhere by someone else, my apologies.

Sorry, r8--I got mixed up between the two threads. My bad--you're not to blame.

Can’t believe Meghan’s memoirs are yet to come. Expect the divorce to figure prominently.

Why would Meg "kick him to the curb?" On top of being as mentally ill as he is, she is nothing without him. Less than nothing, really.

If the gravy train with Harry stops, she'll try to move on to someone richer. She still dreams of being Oprah.

Agreed R11. She would only divorce him if she found another equally pathetic simp like the Ginger. It goes without saying that he would have to be rich and famous.

Mrs. Tyler Perry has a nice ring to it.

If she can’t snag a billionaire herself after the money dries up and she divorces the ginger idiot, she’ll momager the fuck out of those two kids and become the stage mother from hell.

Imagine a combination of Kris Jenner, Big Kathy Richards, and Natalie Wood’s mother.

R11 Can you you imagine living with a petulant brat for a husband everyday? Megs has already acquired more than enough community property to keep her set for life. She might even be able to bag some sleazy billionaire, Jackie O style. You’d be surprised at the number of men who’d like to marry the former wife of a British prince, just for bragging rights.

Harry is so feeble-minded and needy she probably drives him like a truck.

I think the bigger problem will be when she gets sick of being so isolated. The people in Montecito don't seem to like them or socialize with them, so she's stuck with him and her mother and the babies in that house.

So weird that Harry made a point of mentioning he’s circumcised. What is that about?

Maybe she'd make out better in a divorce. Right now, they have to hustle for income. If they divorced, the family would probably take him back and she'd get the community property plus child support/alimony (which then the family could and probably would gladly pay to have her out of the picture).

R18, As he wrote, there had been much speculation when the boys were young.

R17 Meghan got her wish. Living in a palace among Hollywood’s super A-list, uber elite. Too bad none of them will get near her anymore.

Who was the old ass (arse) slapper who took his virginity in the meadow behind the pub?

r22, it's rumored to have been Elizabeth Hurley, but Harry does not identify her in the memoir.

Meghan ‘placed hands on Diana’s grave and asked for guidance’

The Duchess of Sussex kneeled and put her palms on the grave of Diana, Princess of Wales and asked her for “clarity and guidance” on the 20th anniversary of her death, the Duke of Sussex has said.

Harry said in his controversial memoir Spare that he and Meghan rowed out to his mother’s final resting place on an island on the Althorp estate in 2017.

After some time reflecting, he sensed Meghan wanted to a moment to herself by the site in Northamptonshire.

“When I returned, she was on her knees with her eyes closed and her palms flat against the stone,” Harry wrote, adding that she told him she had asked Diana for “clarity and guidance”, the MailOnline reported.

[quote]He has already described the grotesque phenomenon of walking behind her casket.

and if he hadn't walked behind casket he would be wailing to this day that he was denied the opportunity.

Grey-rocking him is the only solution for the Royal family; hope they don't break down and try to engage with him; at this point only Harry can turn things around, but I doubt he has the capability now that he is in Meghan's and the media's clutches.

[quote]“When I returned, she was on her knees with her eyes closed and her palms flat against the stone,” Harry wrote, adding that she told him she had asked Diana for “clarity and guidance”, the MailOnline reported.

a) this is utterly ridiculous

b) Diana would be about the last person you would hope to receive "clarity and guidance” from,

In no time, Meghan has made one of the most desirable men into the world into a slobbering fool and object of pity. That's an impressive achievement.

today harry is going on about wanting 'accountability'

harry, hon, try holding yourself accountable for your own actions

R27 I don’t think she takes her marriage vows very seriously.

It would be great if it were Miriam Margolyes R22. Had that been the case, Miriam would have told the story herself by now.

R27 A caring spouse tries to build confidence and self-esteem in their partner. To help them act with kindness and maturity as a well-adjusted adult.

Harry is behaving more and more like an over-indulged child. If that was my husband, I would be embarrassed.

[quote]She was on her knees with her eyes closed and her palms flat against the stone.

Is Harry misremembering? This sounds like she was giving head.

Aside from the grotesqueness of the scene at the grave, I thought there was speculation that Diana's real grave isn't actually on that island. I guess this incident puts paid to that rumor.

I must be heartless, but I still don't understand what was so outrageously horrible about having to walk behind his mother's coffin. I honestly don't. The grief at her death must have been overwhelming, but how is it beyond the pale for him to have taken part in the funeral procession? What would have been the alternative? N.b., William also was there but hasn't turned it into an enormous chip on his shoulder, at least not publicly.

The lurid details are everything! So absurd. I almost feel sorry for the fool.

[quote]What would have been the alternative?

The alternative for Harry likely would have been staying in BP with the other members of the Royal Family as the procession got underway, and then proceeding to the gates with all of them in the group that stood at the palace gate to pay their respects as the funeral cortege passed by (where The Queen bowed her head out of respect for Diana). He likely would have been between The Queen and his Great-Aunt Margaret, each holding a hand.

...and we would never hear the end of of how 'damaging' that would have been to him, because he would immediately flip the script and say that he was denied the opportunity to walk behind the casket ...

r16 Shag yes. Marry? Not so sure nowadays there would be a big queue for that. I think what your saying was true 30 years ago but not now.

Daddy just made us targets. He’d better up the security.

Old billionaires want trophy wives, sex has very little if nothing to do with it, they want a woman with cachè. And Meghan has none once her marriage is over. She'll just another aging-out Hollywierd woman desperately grifting to make coin. Her reputation will precede her with every attempt she makes.

[quote] they want a woman with cachè.

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

yes, r39, busted indeed.

The problem with all of Harry's (and Meghan's) billion complaints is that they have no collaborating witnesses to back up their claims. In other words, its all hearsay and speculation and doesn't hold water.

R18 There was press about Diana refusing circumcision for her sons.

R42, Yes, but she was overruled.

self-inflicted psycho-drama @ r41

R33 If Harry hadn’t been allowed to walk behind the casket he would have been traumatized by that.

Prince Philip offered to walk behind the casket in support of his grandsons.

So now what?

With a week of finger-pointing interviews still to come, it's pretty much scorched earth.

[quote]Can’t believe Meghan’s memoirs are yet to come. Expect the divorce to figure prominently.

So the dilemma is when to jump. How much more money can they now make? You'd have to weigh if a settlement with a promise not to write is worth more than future income married to an idiot.

I think Kate comes out of the book quite well. If the incidents Harry listed were the worst things she did to Meghan, they were all pretty harmless. She wasn't thrilled about lending Meghan her lip gloss: most people wouldn't be, it's unhygienic. She expected an apology over the "baby brain" comment: why not? It was rude of Meghan. The only thing that was perhaps unfair on Kate's part was expecting the bridesmaid dresses to be remade at such short notice, but she did send flowers and an apology the next day for upsetting Meghan. For a queen-in-waiting, Kate doesn't come across as particularly diva-ish or entitled in the excerpts.

So far the BRF has said nothing, which I think is very wise on their part. The temptation to respond must be enormous, but their silence will seem dignified.

I think it says a lot that most of Harry's PR blitz next week will be with American interviewers: Anderson Cooper, Michael Strahan, and Stephen Colbert. He and Meghan must be trying to win over Americans to their side, figuring they've lost their chance with the Brits; but so far it doesn't seem to be working very well.

The thing that strikes me about the incident where William pointed at her and called her rude was the comeback: If you don't mind, get your finger out of my face.

Very housewives. I don't suppose she knows any better when confronted with her shit, but it also strikes me she's actually quite an aggressive character.

“I see news about him a lot on my Facebook feed and really think he's gone mad and needs a doctor immediately.”

That’s a quote from a Taliban leader. LMAO

R51, part of it may be that they're waiting for the broadcast interviews, too, though I agree it is highly unlikely they will say anything.

I keep wondering about the coronation. It is a national event. How do you let them anywhere near it now?

[quote] The problem with all of Harry's (and Meghan's) billion complaints is that they have no collaborating witnesses to back up their claims.

It's "corroborating" witnesses, not "collaborating" witnesses.

R52 she’s messy. If she were a better lunatic she would’ve figured out how to get the throne, but she’s too blatant.

Yep. Harry has lost The Taliban and Don Lemon.

Sad. Last. Days.

^ LOL... you know you've hit rock bottom when you've lost Don Lemon and the Taliban...

I think Harry, as a royal duke, has to swear allegiance to Charles if he attends the coronation. That'll be awkward.

Harry's going on Colbert's show? After all this has come out about what's in the book?

Lordy.

Not really, R59. He would be swearing loyalty to the King, not to Daddy.

Harry was a laughing stock on UK morning tele today. Even Alison Hammond who is a big supporter of H&M was dying.

That little redheaded brat deserved an ass-whooping from his brother, William didn't beat him hard enough.

Harry reveals he kept a box of his dead mother's hair next to his bed, and that he believes it helped him and Meghan conceive their first child. (link in next post.)

He is really crazy, isn't he?

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The book confirms that Meghan & Harry did indeed announce Meghan's pregnancy at Eugenie's wedding.

R65, I don’t know what’s more disturbing: him keeping a box of his mother’s hair on his bed stand or him being amazed by Meghan singing with a bunch of seals.

It's hilarious that when they returned to the Castle of Mey after Meghan enchanted the seals with her singing, his father's chef warned them they were likely sending the seals to their doom by getting them to announce their presence to local killer whales.

The box of hair failed them with the miscarriage, then.

“Miscarriage”, rather.

After reading about all this mess, Meghan's for sure the brains in the relationship. She's going to completely destroy Harry when they inevitably get divorced. And I think it'll happen eventually since Harry has made himself a complete laughing stock. She can say she tried to help him but in the end had to think of her children.

Kate comes across really well.

Meghan has political ambitions. I'm not sure that this book (with the Taliban piece) helped her cause, but she'll use him until she gets elected to something and then get rid of him. She'll probably move on to someone in the political arena.

"The secret of being a bore is to tell everything." - Voltaire

I read earlier (sorry, can’t remember where as I’ve been bingeing on this) that the ghost writer did the absolute bare minimum to avoid being sued then left it to them to finish off as Meghan was so interfering.

This would explain the mixture of some quite good writing and ridiculously written stories that contribute nothing but which are all about Meghan (e.g. the lip gloss episode and singing to the seals in Scotland).

Harry has riled up the Taliban speaking about his kills, he is putting a lot of people in danger. He needs to be barred from the Invictus Games.

[quote] but she'll use him [bold]until she gets elected to something[/bold] and then get rid of him.

Good! That means she'll never have the chance to leave me!

If Marge and Boebert can get elected, why not Meghan. I’m guessing House or Rep. is too low, though. She’d want to be a US Senator, like Hillary.

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One of the most disgusting and shockingly vulgar things I've ever heard (then-)Prince Charles quoted as saying is that Harry was "c**t-struck," but after reading the things that big dumbo has to say about his wife, such as at R65 's article, I see his point.

And it's become obvious that Harry's pretty much nuts as well as dumb as that box of hair on his nightstand.

“Cunt-struck” from a man who wanted to be a tampon.

The most hilarious/dumbfounding part to me was this: Harry apparently was upset at William, because he proposed to Kate in November of 2010 and didn't tell him before hand! He says in the book that he found out about it when the news broadcast it, like everyone else. Well, your brother only dated her for TEN years, wouldn't you realize that an engagement was in the cards and forthcoming around that time? Why in the world would he be SURPRISED by it?

It also speaks to the early lack of trust that William had in Harry, if he didn't give him a heads up in advance about his pending engagement. That's something most men tell their only brothers about, if and when they're going to propose to a longtime girlfriend. William wanted no press intrusion, so he left Harry in the dark .

[quote]Who was the old ass (arse) slapper who took his virginity in the meadow behind the pub?

It were me...

And there ain't nuffin' wrong wiff it.

He bought me a couple of pints and a pack of ciggies, you know.

So he's pissed off the British military now - are there any British supporters left, beyond Guardian opinion-writers, with their various axes to grind?

Such magical thinking, from the both of them. It's obvious that Harry's wife did much of the editing, putting in her "special me" stories. Singing to the seals, really?

He sounds like he was telling the story of his life as a middle school bumbling boy. And a stupid one, at that.

I'm sure that ghost writer rang the publisher all the time to say: this guy's a fucking gold mine. He won't stop talking.

It's like when you're media trained, you're taught to never, never, never forget the reporter is not your friend. That's when people really fuck themselves, when they fall for a charm offensive. So here's this guy, with a sympathetic audience, who thinks he's got the worst lot in life and loves to complain, so he runs his fucking idiot mouth all the way to discussing penises, his mother's grave and the Queen lying dead in her bed.

He's earned himself some fine headlines:

The Times - Prince Harry’s book Spare: Duke accused of ‘betraying military and family’

The Telegraph - Prince Harry’s Royal family ambushes ‘harmed Queen’s health’ / Monarch was impacted by Duke’s attacks in her final months, say sources

From the DM: after some scene with Kate over Charlotte's dress, "after the discussion, Harry said he returned home to find Meghan sobbing on the floor of the kitchen, overcome with stress and worry". Can you imagine? Who sobs on the floor of the kitchen?

He’s a small, stupid, stupid, little man R74.

R86, collapsing on the floor seems to be one of her default positions. Pretty sure there's been more than one story where the chicken legs go wobbly and down she goes.

R84

[quote] the Queen lying dead in her bed

WHAT??

I missed this. Is there a link?

I can't upvote R87 enough. Dreadful, rotten little man. Deserves to be shunned until he's an old man, deserves the kind of people who support him because nobody with any kind of decency would

R89... various reports on it, but here's pagesix.

Did he snip a lock of her hair to keep in a box on the bedside R91?

Today's Daily Star front page did not disappoint. Love the censorship bar on the chalk outline.

Yeah well it ain't working and won't work, R51. They are completely loathed over here, and have been for much longer than the British MSM has been misleading the British public about.

Yeah well it ain't working and won't work, R51. They are completely loathed over here, and have been for much longer than the British MSM has been misleading the British public about.

^^^sorry for the duplicate post

All this petty small minded shit. What happened to the blockbuster stories of racism in the royal family?

They sound like every other family, and I’m sure as hell not going to pay money to read about these petty stupid problems. My family was far worse.

Was there ever a “Let’s Be Harry’s Book” thread here a few years back, because Spare sounds like Harry read our thread and copied it?

R33 Prince Harry tells the story of having to walk behind his mothers coffin as if he was Cleopatra and Mark Antony’s children, who had to walk through the streets of Rome in chains when they were brought from Egypt.

Spare is such a cuck title anyway.

My late mother was raised in a small town where people were apparently vicious gossips. She was paranoid about anyone knowing our business. "Don't air your dirty laundry" was one of her most used phrases. Thus, I grew up horrified about revealing things about myself that allowed others to judge me. Because judge they will, myself included.

If you have flaws in your relationship and reveal them to anyone but your most trusted friends, soon the world will think you're trapped in a horrible relationship that you should leave. Even innocuous things you tell gossips will be exaggerated, blown out of proportion, embellished, and repeated.

I finally grew old enough to stop caring about what people think of me. There are some things you can't hide and shouldn't, but the embellishments of an assumption can be really annoying.

Poor Harry, he's toast.

The Seal Whisperer

For fuck’s sake, R79, if you’re going to sneer at someone make an effort to get your facts right.

Charles did NOT say he “wanted to be a tampon”. He said - as a JOKE you po-faced prat - that “knowing his luck” he’d come back as a tampon and send eternity circling the toilet bowl.

And “cunt” is nowhere near as offensive in the UK as it in is America…so cunt-struck isn’t an especially shocking phrase. And since when do people pearl-clutch over language on DL?

He lives in such a bubble he actually thinks the Diana grave story is sweet.

Like no it’s weird.

Imagine telling your boyfriend you asked his death mother for guidance at her grave. They’d put me in a looney bin.

I can see why he dedicated the book to them, it really is a lovely keepsake for Archie and Lilibet.

For sweet Archie to learn his parents fucked next to his dead grandmother's hair the night he was conceived...wow. What a gift his parents have given him, especially by sharing the story with the world.

I'm sure Lili will aspire to lose her virginity in the same manner as her father. Who wouldn't want to repeat that experience for generations to come?

He's really shown them the right way to navigate the world by sharing these touching vignettes of his life. It's a shame his grandmother didn't live long enough to read it.

Harold will conduct three interviews in the coming days before Tuesday: Anderson Cooper/60 Minutes, Colbert, Michael Strahan/GMA. He is at his worst in interviews dribbling mouth diarrhea, even with pre-approved questions. Should be embarrassing and problemmatic for everyone

He got his chauffeur to drive him through the Paris tunnel three times at 65mph. Claimed even a drunk driver could have gotten through it. No mention of a lack of seatbelts.

"He said that going through the tunnel put an end to the questions and doubts he had about his mother's death, and made him realise she was gone for good.

Afterwards, he got drunk and wandered around central Paris.

In the book, he recounts that he got so drunk he became violent with his bodyguards. "

Do you think there are no further details about getting violent with his bodyguards because he didn't break their necklaces?

He can get violent with people and brag over his Taliban body count (total psycho) like it's nothing. But William attacks him and it's all Mills and Boon.

If the genders were reversed and Princess Meaghan met and married Mr Harry Windsor, who then proceeded to alienate her from her family, encourage her victim mentality, and eventually physically separate her from her siblingand extended relatives, you'd say he was an abusive spouse and try to get her away from that toxic relationship.

I did kind of feel sorry for Harry, but his actions now show what a piece of shit he is. I don't doubt Diana favored William, but not in a good way. She used the kid as her therapist and shared information about her life that was inappropriate for a mother to do to her child. Is that what Harry's whining about missing?

Shut up Harry.

The fetishization and cosplay of Diana is creepy as fuck.

Only a narcissistic sociopath would pretend to know what a dead person thinks and how convenient that the dead person is always likely to validate your agenda or point of view.

[quote]What happened to the blockbuster stories of racism in the royal family?

Why didn't they pay that off? Crickets. Wonder what's up.

I'm sorry that leaning on Diana's grave story just screams grift to me, like nothing else. To quote the ancient Swiss-German-Slovenian philosopher.... I imagine her there on her knees, pretending her eyes are closed, thinking:" where the fuck is he? My knees hurt, it's muddy, it's cold, would he just come back and fucking see me so I can get up?

Harry is shockingly juvenile in every way. His brain is disordered.

The aristos always looked askance at the Spencer gene pool. He's not helping matters.

I think he is stunted mentally, he is stuck at the age of 12 which was how old he was when Diana died.

Did the PDF file leak yet? I refuse to give a dime.

He had problems before 12 but Diana's death really tipped him over.

What a catch for Megs! Her dog Bogart hated him so she abandoned him, she had to get Hawwy back into therapy and years later he's still obsessed with his dead mother. The psychic who told him he was living the life Diana wanted for herself, I bet Megs had told her about Archie breaking the ERII Xmas ornament so she had something that sounded authentic.

No R79 - he never said that he wanted to be a tampon. Read the transcript - it’s out there - he said the exact opposite. But gullible people like you keep repeating it.

The issue with that recording was not the content of the conversation but that it was done illegally.

Another lie that selfkess caring Meg "had to get him back in therapy."

At first it must have been fun for Meghan landing a Prince. But I would think by now she is bored to tears by him. I wouldn't say Meghan is smart but she is shrewd and it must be dull to be with a childish dimwit like Harry. Maybe they had hot sex in the beginning but I imagine that has died down too.

Amateur!

No wonder he’s so good at juggling - she must send him and his balls outside to practice at every opportunity.

Harry= Cray Cray

It is getting that I don't know what's real or parody with them. Did he really say they buried their baby under some tree they found in a hole he dug with his hands? Is that even legal? And wouldn't you have to bury it a few feet down?

R124, yes, that’s what he says they did, and no, that is not legal. The whole thing is insane.

Lol at r93. I especially appreciated "Lost his virginity to cougar in field".

I realize celebrities get special treatment, but I am very skeptical they sent the deceased baby home with them. If Harry is lying about this he needs to be locked up because he is crazy.

From the Telegraph, in an artycile wondering WTF happened to the racism bomb. Catches the Dupe of Sussex in his own trap:

"In his autobiography, Harry claims he did not realise “P---” was an insult because of his privileged upbringing, and that he equated it with calling someone a Yankee.

At the time, the Prince apologised for the remark, which he said was not meant maliciously. It may well be that any comment made about the colour of baby Archie’s skin was also “not meant maliciously”, if it happened at all.

Friends of the Royal family have claimed the conversation about Archie was “twisted” by Meghan and Harry and was never about skin colour at all (“recollections may vary”, as the late Queen memorably said).?

The folks saying when Meghan divorces Harry, she'll find someone richer, but she's no spring chicken. She's over 40, with two kids, and a bad reputation. Jackie Kennedy wasn't quite 40 when she married Aristole Onasis, but Meghan is no Jackie Kennedy. (Granted, Jackie was 51 when she started living with Maurice Templesman, but that was a low-key relationship, not flashy, and "low-key" is not Meghan's style).

Camilla didn't leak the story Harry accuses her of leaking:

"The Queen Consort, or Camilla Parker Bowles as she was then, was said to have been “furious” when she discovered that details of her first meeting with William had been leaked.

She had told Amanda MacManus, the top aide who she had hired shortly after the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, about the 1998 meeting.

Mrs MacManus told her husband, a media executive, who in turn was said to have told a former colleague, who told a newspaper.

Camilla took the unusual step of releasing a public statement, announcing that Mrs MacManus had “resigned” following an investigation. It said: “Mrs Parker Bowles agrees that her position had become untenable.”

The former head of royalty protection has called for a review into royal security following Prince Harry’s revelation he killed 25 Taliban fighters when serving with the British Army in Afghanistan.

Dai Davies, a former divisional commander in the Metropolitan Police, who guarded Queen Elizabeth II and other members of the Royal family, said the comments had not only risked Harry’s safety - but that of his family and the wider public.

His warning came after the Taliban called for Harry to face “international court” after confessing to the kills in his autobiography Spare, which was released in Spain on Thursday.

“He has lit a spark which has potentially very serious consequences not only for himself and his family but others including the military and us as civilians, especially with the coronation fast approaching,” said Mr Davies.

“It only takes one homegrown jihadist to hear the call for him to be dealt with as a war criminal for all the rest of us to suffer.

“I haven’t been this concerned for royal security in 25 years when we were worried the provisional IRA was going to attack the royals. This has raised the threat level and I think a strategic review should be carried out to reassess the security of the royals. What he’s said is going to add to the bill for police protection.”

R86, did she fall on the dog bowl?

I'll give Harry kudos for accepting that he was wrong to use the word "p***". I'm surprised a British millennial could make it to adulthood without realising what an offensive term it is, but by his own admission he had a very privileged, insular upbringing. That's one of the few areas where he shows self-awareness.

Or, not my fault, it's how I was raised.

She was sobbing over the dog bowl. They loved that dog bowl. And it meant Harry got to eat at the table.

R125 They buried the foetus in a secret place that nobody else knows, but here’s a hint - it was under a banyan tree.

Meghan was so devastated that in order to retain their privacy she wrote an opinion piece about the miscarriage for the NYT largely plagiarised from someone else.

[quote] Who was the old ass (arse) slapper who took his virginity in the meadow behind the pub?

I can’t wait to see the Sunday Sport this week. I’m sure they’ll find a likely candidate.

[quote] If Harry is lying about this he needs to be locked up because he is crazy.

Asking a box of his dead mother's hair to give him a baby was not enough of a tip-off???

Was just watching Sky News UK and they had this American on as an "expert" on Harry. Didn't get his name, some kind of "influencer" or something. I couldn't help but laugh, though.

Interesting article, R124, interesting story. Are there any species of native banyan trees that grow in California? Or they traveled with the fetal remains somewhere for this secret burial (which requires permits)?

I am akso having a hard time believing that any hospital released the fetal remains directly to the parents. Harry is pretty ignorant overall and may not realize the extent of sanitary laws in the U.S.

Spared.

That is one obscure reference, r141.

[quote] She might even be able to bag some sleazy billionaire, Jackie O style. You’d be surprised at the number of men who’d like to marry the former wife of a British prince, just for bragging rights.

Please, r16

Stop.

To mention a skilled, erudite, accomplished, mannered man-catcher, ok, Courtesan, if you insist, that Jackie O was, in the same sentence as Markle, let alone even suggest that Markle is close to comparable to her, strips all credibility from your post.

If the Sussexes had stayed working Royals, cooperating and co-existing with King Charles and the William, Prince of Wales, then Harry died a working Royal Prince, yes, then Markle would have some value on marrying-up.

For sure, taking as a wife a widow of a working Royal Prince, son of a King, brother of a future King, now that's "bragging rights".

Now, they've both devalued themselves to such an extent that if Markle were widowed now, or was his ex-wife, she'll be lucky to remarry anybody, let alone a billionaire.

There are only a small number of if women, who, as they age, their marital provenance increases their value.

I would argue Gisele Bundchen is one. Now, that's actual bragging rights, taking as a wife or partner the ex of Tom Brady.

If she were alive, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy would've, long ago, dumped JFK, Jr, beautiful dullard that he was, and, by now, would be on her 3rd billionaire.

Markle isn't even close to being in their league; not by a galaxy.

Harry doesn't carry the same weight as a Tom Brady or a JFK, Jr. No cast-off wife of his offers the opportunity to a wealthy heterosexual male to see his ownworth and power reflected back at him.

Not now. Not ever again

British newscaster/columnist/editor of The Spectator, Andrew Neil:

"The great 19th-century expert on the constitution, Walter Bagehot, famously wrote about the monarchy: 'We must not let in daylight upon magic.' That stricture is now in tatters. Harry is piercing the monarchy with searchlights that reach into every corner, making the Royal Family a laughing stock in the process.

What is left but to laugh at a Prince who boasts of killing the Taliban but gets distraught over a broken necklace?"

But worse, he predicts Harry will never recover after the chess pieces analogy. (DM and I'll try to link below or at least write out the title)

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[quote]In relating an altercation with his brother at his London home in 2019 which resulted in him falling on a dog bowl and breaking his necklace, Harry shows that he has lost all self-awareness and is beyond embarrassment. As a friend said to me last night: 'If that had happened to me, I would have gone to my grave without ever mentioning the necklace.'

LOLOL

Ok, I've never actually watched an episode. But those "Real Housewives of..." type shows - wouldn't Meghan be just marvelous on one of them? She's as jealous and bitchy as the day is long - and hilarious with all her foiled efforts to be the ultimate diva.

But is she too tarnished, even for that?

If I remember correctly, Harry actually said the British military "taught him" to regard the Taliban comtants are "chess pieces"

Oh god. How many terrorist acts might he have spawned?

*comtants - I was trying to type combatants.

I have Meghan's innate talent for writing. And people say that ghostwriter washed his hands of these morons, but doesn't Random House have a fucking editor? Or are they happy for a BRF member to make an utter fool of himself and, if Neil is correct, make a laughing stock of the Royal Family as well? I will say - they took what could have been a real snooze and made it into comedy gold. (well, let Harry and Meghan make it into that)

The more Harry speaks the more he shows himself as dim, privileged, and out of touch with reality.

Meghan bitched about the denied tiara, and now Harry is bitching about the broken necklace.

I think Charles should shut them up by just sending them a box of leftover trinkets from an antique shop and tell them they were his mother's and ex-wife's favorite pieces. That oughtta shut them up.

[54] same as funeral, control and choreography their every move. Cheap seats.

Would it even be safe to have Harry at the Coronation, after his insult to the Taliban soldiers that he killed?

They'll have to have the whole damned place surrounded by soldiers after this? Little George, Charlotte and Louis' lives have to be put in danger?

Oh Harry, wtf have you done now?

Oh wait, maybe he wants the rest of the family murdered so he can take the crown?

Will the hard hitting Anderson Cooper question Harold about his Taliban kills?

The article linked at r149. My father was in the Korean war and he never would talk about it. WTF was Harry thinking mentioning his kills?

OOPS I meant the article at r145

Neil makes a good point:

"If I were on his security detail, I would resign. Private security is simply not equipped to deal with terrorist threats, organised or random, especially if they involve suicide bombers. Which has led some to conclude that it's all a cunning plan to get his official British close body protection back, with all its links to the intelligence and security services around the world.

Maybe it is. But if so, I suspect it's yet another major miscalculation. I think the chances of someone so cavalier about their own security getting official round-the-clock protection is now close to zero (unless, of course, there is specific intelligence of a clear and present danger)."

I'm expecting Anderson will really pepper him with the hard-hitting questions, r155.

"As the son of a dead beautiful woman from another famous family, I'm also overwhelmed by my grief for her, Harry, just as you have been. Tell me, do you think it would help me to ask guidance from a box of her hair if I kept it by my bed?"

[quote]Harry has placed a large target not just on his own back but on his family's and even his neighbours' backs. As this paper reports on the front page, the whole Royal Family is now in greater jeopardy. So is anybody physically close to him.I wouldn't be surprised if those who live next to the couple in the wealthy Californian enclave of Montecito — where I've seen reports that people are already tired of their presence — are thinking of launching a petition demanding that they get out of town.

I thought the Anderson Cooper interview had already been filmed?

But Colbert on Tuesday! (if I were Harry, I'd pull out)

R103, Yes, I'm American, and that word is shocking WHEN USED BY A KING (or the Prince of Wales, as he was at the time). This is how he talks about his future daughter-in-law, as a mere "cunt" that's hypnotized his son?

Standards of taste may vary, of course, and apparently do. Greatly.

I've missed this story somehow: according to WHOM did we hear that Charles ever said Harry was "cunt-struck"? That seems really hard to believe.

I think it was in the "Revenge" book.

Harry is neither an officer or a gentleman

Wow why did he put that 25 kills/ chess pieces bit in there?

What was he going for?

I find it hard to believe that somebody who reads and posts at DL would find the word "cunt" shocking and disgusting.

FFS - read the room. This isn't Disneyland.

FFS, I don't have to agree with you about what is too vulgar for a royal prince to say. Why are you so offended by my difference of opinion?

Do you think that royalty doesn’t swear, R162?

You can’t be that naïve!

[quote]and that word is shocking

But, it's wrong! SHOCKINGLY wrong!

R162 if you watched the marriage of Harry and Meghan, as the carriage exited from St George’s Chapel and turned into the Long Walk, which was packed with the great unwashed, Meghan’s first word was an unmistakable “FUCK!!!”.

How vulgar and shocking from a royal!

This is our life. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

R15 and r16 are delusional. Meghan is nothing like those women, she's dumb. She certainly doesn't have any community property. No rich man is going to be interested. She's desperate, fug and indiscreet. Think people!

Here's the former model and horse lover who allegedly took Harry's virginity, Suzannah Harvey, who is now the CEO of Cotswold Airport.

He's a spoiled rotten petulant twat with the emotional maturity of a 15 year old. God, he's annoying.

Go back to your mansion in Montecito and cry about how miserable your life is in between playing polo at the country club.

Jesus, what a clueless twat.

When^^^^ it turns out Charles was spot on.

"Well Anderson, I think you could get very fine hair in a box guidance from any style in the Gloria Vanderbilt Wig Collection. Any one of them at all. And since they ship in tasteful boxes, you'll be good to go."

Only Americans find the word cunt shocking.

It seems as if William had Meghan's number from day one - he knew exactly the type of person she was and tried to warn his idiot brother, to no avail.

What an incredibly [italic]stupid[/italic] comment, r178.

There are plenty of words Brits find shocking that would not even raise an eyebrow in the United States, such as "Paki," "fanny," and even "twat."

You really think the whole world is about your culture, don't you? And you think you assert the norms, even in 2023.

Typical.

R131 My guess is that he only claims to have killed 25 people to create security concerns and thus justify state-paid bodyguards 24/7. That and equating brutality with manlihood of course. He gets off on the feeling of being a target and for Meghan it would be a neverending goldmine if there was an attack. But even credible threats will provide fodder - threats they themselves helped to create. Uvalde or Afghan people - it's all just tokens to them.

I'm not surprised Paki wouldn't be shocking in the US

Not really something to boast about R180

He referred to his fellow soldier as "our LITTLE paki friend" he was being a condescending arsehole.

Did he claim he didn't know raghead is a derogatory term as well?

If the rest of the world (not just Brits) are fine with cunt, why do you think we'd give a shit about twat.

[quote] I'm not surprised Paki wouldn't be shocking in the US

[quote]Not really something to boast about R180

You really know absolutely nothing, do you?

You wear your profoundly ignorant ethnocentrism so boldly, as badges of your honor.

R158 I just saw your post. Exactly what I've been thinking.

I really should have made myself clearer.

Only American, prudish FRAUEN are shocked about the word cunt. That's why only the pearl-clutching posters in these threads are freaking out and not the rest of DL.

It's clearly important to be more specific.

Watching people behave badly has become a national, or maybe even global, past time. I thought humans have evolved but obviously not.

It's hard not to look when people who should have it all together act like idiots. I haven't followed the H&M saga very closely but now I'm intrigued and might read his book or watch the reality show or whatever it is they taped. It can be fun to observe the clueless and transparent who give up their dignity for attention and money. Kind of like the Real House Cunts Formerly of Great Britain.

No, we saw what you said previously. You clearly have absolutely no idea words have different contexts in different nations, and that what can be an offensive word in one country is usually culturally specific to that nation and is not necessarily offensive in other nations.

I would doubt you've ever even been out of your country given your profound ignorance and unworldliness. You're a yobbo, aren't you? Poor thing.

CUNT CUNT CUNTY-Mc-CUNT-FACE.

Has R189 done us all a favour and died of a heart attack yet?

I was just watching a clip on Australia's Today show, and a reporter said that what Harry said about how many he killed and they were like chess pieces is particularly distressing because he has done this before, in a more general way, talking about killing Afghans, and he was told to never do that again.

He's probably pissed that someone dared to criticize him so he's doubled down. He's a real piece of work. And I'm someone who hated her because of her bullying and narcissism but thought he was just a stupid boy who'd been love bombed. Now I think he deserves her - and I hope he gets a lot more of what he deserves.

[quote] CUNT CUNT CUNTY-Mc-CUNT-FACE.

I'm not at all surprised that's what you're resorted to.

It wasn't Harold's fault he said Little Paki, not at all. His sheltered upbringing is to blame for his embodiment of a horse's ass.

Are William and Kate the new Julie?

You can always spot a Datalounge interloper by their over-reaction to certain words.

He killed 25 enemy soldiers like they were chess pieces. Did he get therapy for that? Or does he only need therapy to deal with family?

No, his family wasn't perfect. After his mother passed away, he didn't raise himself. His dad wasn't warm, but he had lots of relatives around. He had a brother and grandparents. I think he still had a nanny. He spent a lot of time at boarding school, away from his family anyway, where he was likely influenced by and given guidance from teachers and others. And he had a few million aunts and uncles who rooted for him. And he was rich; he likely had every luxury item he desired. And that was harder than military combat?

The clip where the reporter says Harry got in trouble for talking about his kills in 2013 - he talks about it starting at about minute 3:30

He's so out of touch - people have to grow up in incest families, or so poor they live on the streets, but OH NO, his palatial apartment had to be furnished with an IKEA lamp!!!

Oh, the humanity!

I'm not the one who's having a complete meltdown, am I?

We all see who's the one who can't keep it together.

I can't believe he's been warned about discussing kills before and he goes and does it again on a global scale - now I'm closer to seeing some credibility in the whole 'justifying security' thing.

Feels like the ghost writer understood the assignment. Harry and Meghan are too stupid and arrogant to listen to anyone so the ghost writer probably gave up and wrote a salacious money maker for the publisher while Meghan/Harry can manage the fall out.

[quote]I must be heartless, but I still don't understand what was so outrageously horrible about having to walk behind his mother's coffin. I honestly don't.

That doesn't really surprise me, because most of you are so blinded by your love for the royals that you think the royals can do no wrong, and you believe that if it's royal tradition for children to walk behind their mother's coffin publicly in front of 2.5 billion people (actual figure, not an exaggeration) then it's perfectly okay and anyone who says otherwise is just wrong.

He was a child, it was his mother, there was a huge event put on for the masses where he was very specifically on display (along with William) and I can't imagine any kid going through that without having some aftereffects.

You can continue to hate him without saying something foolish like "literally parading a 12-year-old boy in front of a worldwide live television audience of 2.5 billion people as he walks behind his mom's corpse is no big deal."

If he's staying in the US on a diplomatic visa, it should now be revoked. No taxpayers in any country should have to pay to protect someone who said something so stupid about action in wartime. Unfortunately he has created security issues for both the UK and the US now and, it could be argued, placed those around him at risk. Suddenly Montecito doesn't seem like the haven it did.

When talking to military personnel, nobody ever asks them, nor do they state, how many lives they've taken. A lot of veterans struggle to deal with the acts they were required to carry out. Harry is a complete and total idiot. Whingeing about his own hurt feelings but to discuss such matters is inhumane.

He can't even handle his necklace breaking at the hands of William, but is cavalier about the taking of lives and also getting violent with his own bodyguards after speeding through the Paris tunnel where his mother died. He spends so much time dwelling on his own feelings, he cannot consider other people have them and that he is capable of causing hurt.

[quote]After his mother passed away, he didn't raise himself.

There was a very widely publicized incident where he came home from school and no one was there at the home, just staff, no family. He fell in with some local troublemakers hassled locals (a pub owner, I believe) and it made the news for quite some time, with people asking why Charles didn't have someone there to supervise him. You can't go back and change the past, this was all well documented years and years ago.

That's a good point R203. Now he's potentially causing security issues for everyday Americans who may happen to be in his employ or just general location.

Harold is doing an ITV interview as well, with Tom Bradby. That makes four huge opportunities for the coffin follower to lie through his little corn teeth about whatever topic might fly by.

[quote]Only American, prudish FRAUEN are shocked about the word cunt.

Absolutely no idea who you are, nor do I care, but in my experience, the vast majority of people online who say "the British use 'cunt' as an insult that you stupid, inferior Americans cannot understand" are never superior and often not even British.

This is just a stupid thing to say on DL, anyway, where everyone says "cunt" all the time, because they're all over 60 and think it's still 1972 and "cunt" has the power to shock.

But you are r199. Embarrassingly so. I'm American too and don't know anyone who would think "Paki" is appropriate.

[quote]He spends so much time dwelling on his own feelings, he cannot consider other people have them and that he is capable of causing hurt.

This kind of sentiment gets posted on these threads repeatedly, but it always strikes me as odd, because it's not as if there is any member of the British royalty who doesn't fit the same description. You can't tell me Charles, William, Camilla, Kate, Anne, or Andrew aren't exactly the same way.

Meghan isn't getting another rich husband, she's a complete laughingstock here. Not running for office, nada. She's still very much a nobody here.

R188 can you read the book without buying it new? I imagine the shelves of thrift shops worldwide will soon be awash with copies. Buying it new puts money in his and the publishers' pockets.

I've traveled to Europe, the UK, Australia and much of the Commonwealth and people use cunt all the time, the only exception I've noticed is South Africa.

Just sayin' Thank You to you writers on this thread. Good old DL is back. Both thread 1 & 2 have commentary and responses that are interesting and funny. Carry on.

Re security risks: they will NEVER be invited to the Oscars or anything like that now. And it will be very disappointing if US veterans continue to let him use them for PR. Real soldiers don't discuss people - even if they are enemy combatants - as numbers. He should be distanced from Invictus, as his presence will turn the games and any associated events into enormous targets.

Obviously, i mean English speaking residents - being a gay man, I have no need for the foreign language equivalents of the word.

R214 I guess that next stop for Meg will be Dubai. There might be some member of the extended Emirati royal family who would like the connection with the BRF. And if all else fails she can turn tricks from her high rise rental.

[quote] You can't tell me Charles, William, Camilla, Kate, Anne, or Andrew aren't exactly the same way.

I can tell you Camilla isn't. For better or worse, she's spent her adult life focused primarily on Charles's needs and has put them ahead of her own.

[quote]can you read the book without buying it new? I imagine the shelves of thrift shops worldwide will soon be awash with copies. Buying it new puts money in his and the publishers' pockets.

All these books end up being uploaded as pdfs with links in these threads so I doubt purchasing the book will be a requirement for that poster.

I heard Diana's Spirit told Meghan to put arsenic in Camilla's tea.

R202 No doubt if William was allowed to walk behind the coffin and Harry wasn’t, he would be telling us his “trauma” about not being allowed to accompany his mother’s casket.

R14 That is ‘Princess Tyler Perry’ to you

R202

It is widely accepted that Harry was asked if he wanted to walk behind his mother’s coffin. Clearly, he chose to do so, supported by his father, grandfather , uncle and brother.

. Had he not - that would have been the subject of yet another whinge fest.

No one wins when dealing with someone like him.

And then he married someone just like himself.

An Instagram account that finds gossip about Harry but this caught my eye about the ghostwriter:

"Does anyone else find it odd the JR Moehringer liked a tweet calling Harry out for being selfish"

and then link to reddit gossip about Moehringer's dropping out.

Didn't this stupid bitch say she would like to make a Julia Roberts type rom com? I just laughed at the idea. She is definitely not the type that can do that sort of thing. Crazy bitch.

I think she said she would like to star in "The Harriet Tubman Story" not a rom com.

Second night in a row Kimmell makes fun of Harry LOL

Girl is the next Julia Roberts biches!

Bitches*

Here's the tweet that Moehringer liked. There is no mention of Spare on his account at all and he hasn't listed it in his bio. Maybe he did quit after all.

I've met hundreds of disabled veterans over the past 15 years through my job, and not one of them ever boasted about the number of the enemy they had killed. Now granted that may be the type of info they wouldn't share with a civilian (and maybe it's different when they're among their fellow veterans), but Harry just shared it with the whole fucking world. Why? To prove he has a bigger dick than his brother who didn't get to go into combat?

Taliban leader said that Harry must have targeted civilians and ordinary people on the dates Harry mentioned.

Harry really has fucked up writing about his kills….

Hmmm. After doing some reading I can see why Harry is pretending now that he wasn't the best man and didn't make a speech.

The speech he indeed DID make doesn't really fit with his new narrative.

Fuck Moehringer, r229. He was happy to sign onto a project that was supposedly going to be about big scandalous revelations about the nasty British royal family, which could have huge political reverberations, but when he realised Harry is nothing more than a little whiner and there's no dirt on the royals he bailed. Fuck everyone who encouraged Harry to go in this direction, especially because they thought this was a way to damage the royal family.

I don't know if this has been posted yet but it sent tears to my eyes. Of the good sort.

You watch pigs like that and laugh? Does that set you up for a good day?

I doubt they'll be interested r216. She's very much still z list on her own.

The Jimmy Kimmel bit at R226 is much funnier than the previous night's Princes fighting in the kitchen.

Meghan must be vetting divorce lawyers by now, no? How soon until we see paparazzi pictures with her putting on a concerned face with Archie and LIlibet in tow?

R235 I don't even know who they are, but the book quote is absolutely hilarious

[quote] He was a child, it was his mother, there was a huge event put on for the masses where he was very specifically on display (along with William) and I can't imagine any kid going through that without having some aftereffects.

The nuance here is: that was what the British public was demanding. The Queen was excoriated for staying in Scotland and keeping quiet while the nation went mad with grief; she gave in to the demand for a more public display. I don't think it was right to have the kids walk through the streets behind the coffin, but one can well imagine Harry claiming he hadn't been allowed to grieve properly and publicly if it hadn't happened.

Diana's death was commented on as the end of the stiff upper lip (and some say the beginning of emotional incontinence).

He used up the canister of laughing gas in her room while Meghan was in labor. WTF?!

R240, “My wife is about to give birth, so I’ll just huff all of her nitrous oxide.”

R233 I have no idea why you would take that stance given that you have absolutely no idea IF Moehringer dropped (or was pushed) out and if so, why.

What we do know is that virtually everyone who works for M&H ends up walking away so it’s quite possible that they made it literally impossible for him to continue. He would have signed a contract so I think it highly unlikely that he went off in a huff because it wasn’t going to be scandalous enough. That seems like a supremely ignorant assumption to me.

My friend is a sweet natured person very much in love with her husband and freely admits she got cranky when she went into labor. Her husband fell asleep as she was in the hospital waiting to go into labor (and then told her how tired he was) and she wanted to throttle him.

So I cannot imagine Meghan waiting to go into labor thinking it was cute that Harry is high off huffing laughing gas and then using all of it up so that they would need to refill it for her labor.

Also if Harry was so carefree about huffing that, it makes me think he must be doing drugs on a normal basis.

Even if Harry is too dumb to realize how badly these stories make him look, Meghan should have seen. Unless she is setting him up for a fall and then she can play the "look at what I had to put up with" card when they divorce.

R202 = pompous ass

R202, we don't hate Harry and the only hate is coming from those who want to exploit Harry to damage the royal family. It's the royal family haters who've been trying to turn this into a Harry/royals bitter fight. You've all been wanting a huge split between Harry and his family, you've all been hoping that he's going to "spill the tea" and make damning revelations about the royals. The truth is he's a very vulnerable person with fragile mental health who is being exploited by the American/international "woke", for want of a better term who think it's fun to bash royals. You are no friend of Harry. You and your ilk are the ones harming him.

"without having some aftereffects" - What were the aftereffects for William? As others have said, whatever happened at Diana's funeral would have been a distressing experience for Harry and William.

Omid Scobie has been deployed for damage control:

"For those who have already had sight of the manuscript, the feedback has been strong. Powerful, important and compelling are just a few of the adjectives used. Tabloid coverage may make this memoir look like a tawdry tell-all, but reading it from start to end tells a much more nuanced and layered story."

Lol, maybe. But first impressions and all.

And more damage control via Scobie: he tweeted the entire passage on the Taliban kills. I understand that H&M think this looks more like thoughtfulness and less like bragging, yet it just as much looks like Harry trying to have it both ways: asserting his cred as a big strong baddies-killing solider and also appealing to those who condemn the failed war on terror and killing of brown people. And above all: he is blameless.

I'm totally expecting him to appear with Diana's hair glued to his head and a pencil up each nose.

Omid Scobie basically admitting he's part of the Harkles circle. He's seen the manuscript, even has a copy of it. We can therefore assume that every attack on the royal family that he makes comes direct from Meghan.

^^^Nostril^^^

R202 for what it’s worth, I believe it was Charles Spencer, Diana’s brother, who insisted on the walk behind the coffin.

He was Prince Charles were fighting throughout the funeral planning and Spencer said he was walking behind the coffin as some type of power claim to Diana. Then either Prince Charles or his peeps said Prince C would walk too. Then the Palace scared Prince C would be pelted with tomatoes so kids recruited.

Finally, Philip, the only adult in the room, who had lobbied hard for a private funeral, told the kids he’d walk with them.

It was Tony Blair’s government that forced the public funeral. The RF wanted it private. Not sure what the Spencer’s wanted but assume the same.

This is one area where I have true empathy for Harry. The fact they were forced to perform in that spectacle—and to give comfort to bunches of strangers sucking all of the emotional energy out of their grief—was unconscionable. There’s plenty of fault to spread around but, in a nutshell, everyone involved in that funeral caved to the demands of a selfish public who wanting grief porn.

It’s no wonder that Harry is messed up. Still—he should be working through this stuff in therapy and not on the public stage…especially since all his woes are the result of him being on the public stage.

Frankly I am clueless why there is such interest in this fellow and his wife. They simply don’t warrant it. They are the new Kardasians.

R203 agree. I’ve known a lot of guys who fought in Vietnam and had uncles who fought in WWII and Korea.

Not one of them would discuss killing people. They would get the same stony expression and either not acknowledge the question or say they didn’t want to talk about it.

Obvs, none of us have read the book. But Harry not only admitting to a kill tally and dehumanizing his targets as chess pieces illustrates what an empty person he is.

I used to consider him a victim of Meghan’s manipulation. Now I think they’re made for each other.

Oh! And as a woman myself, sharing lip gloss is gross and not a thing—particularly between women who don’t like each other. Lip gloss gate was a power move on M’s part to force some weird intimacy.

I’m so glad he’s spilling these ridiculous details—lip gloss! No Easter presents! Baby hormones! Diana’s grave head planting! Nothing like leading from pettiness that captures the world’s affection.

R223. This rings true and, I suspect, why the publication date was pushed back.

I’ve been in publishing for most of my career and, so, know that speculation that book was pushed from Xmas promotion to January was the result of it being a bomb was ridiculous. If a high profile book was expected to be a bomb, burying it would be the last thing a publisher would do. They’d want to make all the money in early sales to offset losses when people got wise that it’s a bad book.

It makes much more sense that Meghan ripped the manuscript away from the ghost writer and pulled out her red pen. That’s what caused the delay. And that’s certainly illustrated by the petty, petty shots at Kate.

I suspect we won’t hear a peep from the writer and that Harry won’t mention him in interviews, either. Just the opposite of Agassi who recognized the skill in which the writer employed to tell his story. They formed a true partnership. To H/M, the writer was just another lowly servant to be disgraced and not respected.

It doesn't matter what he intended. It was idiocy in about every way you can imagine to disclose how many Taliban (of all people on earth) he'd killed.

You realize that what part of him isn't stupid is mentally ill. I love my wife, I must protect my family, blah blah fucking blah - who thinking that antagonizes the bloody Taliban?

[quote]Meghan isn't getting another rich husband, she's a complete laughingstock here. Not running for office, nada. She's still very much a nobody here.

I'd say she's notorious. If she runs for office, the media will destroy her whether they set out to or not. She's a Palin category candidate. Actually she's got less relevant experience than Palin, as impossible as that may seem. But she can see resentment from her house.

If they go to the coronation, there is no way they aren't booed every time they appear in public.

R243 the laughing gas story! Yes, I’m sure our carefree, live-and-let-live girl Meghan found it an absolute lark that Harry huffed an entire canister of conscious-altering gas while she was in labor!

What a zany, free wheeling, fun couple! What an incredible love story! No wonder they hold hands at every waking moment! We should all be as lucky!

How does his continuing drumbeat if “I must protect my wife and children” jibe with his huffing an entire canister of nitrous oxide while Meghan was in labor?!

And, frankly, why did hospital staff simply laugh that away? Is it ok these days for non-patients to gobble up any controlled substances the find in a hospital room? If so, I’m heading to a hospital to day for my share.

My mom was super pissed at my dad that he didn’t do the dishes before she came home after giving birth to my little brother. (I’m his defense, he was home for only a handful of hours after she had the baby to check on us and get some sleep before running back to the hospital to collect them. Not a lot of time for dishes. But also understood her anger.)

I can just imagine how she’d react if he sucked down a canister of drugs while she was in labor.

What r253 said about Harry discussing his kills in combat.

That Harry didn't have the sense to censor himself with "Absolutely not", when it came to including an account of how many Afghans he killed is telling of his insecure desperation.

I was lucky enough, in my adulthood, to become a drinking buddy of my uncle, my Mom's brother. He was an extrovert. He was good-looking. True, he had his flaws: womanizing, he wasn't a good Dad, he was a heavy drinker.

We spent many hours in conversation, sober and drunk.

One Memorial Day, my mom mentioned that her brother, my uncle and drinking buddy, didn't like to go to the Memorial Day parade. I asked her why.

Quietly, she told me,

"When he just turned 17, and to Mom's grief, he lied about his age and ran away to join the US Marines.

He was with the Marines, at 17, when they landed on Iwo Jima".

I was floored. Both at the mention of Iwo Jima; and if you know anything about the invasion of Iwo Jima, well.... and that never once did he ever hear him mention it, at family gatherings, or, during one of our many conversations.

He died in the early 2000s.

The Marines sent 4 uniformed men to perform a ceremony at his gravesite. The silence of those moments, I'll never forget.

In one of the Sunday interviews he says he hasn’t made a decision whether he’ll attend the coronation.

I’m sure they’ve been invited. It’s a win-win for the palace. Makes the palace take the high road. If they don’t come, it will be on H/M. If they do come, they’ll be humiliated/booed/frozen out.

Harry taking the “will they attend/won’t they attend” approach is the same game they played for Jubilee. The palace shrugged with indifference at their tantrum and so they attended. They tried to nab the spotlight, but it stayed stubbornly on the queen. They stomped their little feet, refused to attend events where they’d be back benched, and headed home early. Making them appear even more petty and disrespectful.

They have never met a lesson that they’re willing to learn. So suspect they’ll attend the coronation.

This is r261.

I didn't want to leave the impression that soldiers should never speak about their experiences.

Military combat PTSD is real. Counseling, therapy, outlets to process the experience should be readily, inexpensively, available and soldiers who access those services should be encouraged to do so.

It's another form of bravery to access counseling.

But Harry doing it this way strikes me as the wrong way to go about it.

R261 same thing with one of my uncles. He was in the Battke of the Bulge under Patton. He and my aunt went to Europe to attend a big WWII anniversary—maybe the 40th DDay anniversary?—and he was reunited with his troop for the first time.

My aunt was gobbsmacked. Dozens of guys approached her in tears with stories on how my uncle saved their lives during the campaign. In all those years, he’d never talked about it to her. He was my dad’s idol and they spent tons of time together. Never discussed it with my dad either.

Agree that was a different generation were sharing feelings not encouraged. But can’t imagine that any generation supports boasting over dehumanizing and tallying the people you’ve killed.

[quote] R257 If they go to the coronation, there is no way they aren't booed every time they appear in public.

I'd put my money on people pointing and laughing at them.

R261, based on the excerpt Omid Scobie posted, the body count was included because Harry was framing it as "I was a good woke soldier who made sure to only kill bad guys (Taliban), not civilians. I could do so because modern tech enabled me to see how many I killed" (rather than as a boast).

Also dopey, but he's a dope. (See also huffing hospital gas while wife in labor and getting life coaching from dead Mummy.)

I'd like to point out that "lots of speculation about it when they were boys" is not a reason to tell people you're circumcised when you're in your 30s and nobody outside of the DL has speculated about it for at least a decade. Unless you're a health worker, nothing is a reason to tell people whether someone else is circumcised (ie William).

Also, unless the media is making it up, some of the earlier links on this thread suggest the Royals are already hitting back. Not at Harry personally, but to contradict some of the shit he's said about them, eg at R85 and R130. "Sources" indeed.

R180, "fanny" means "butt" in the US but it means "vagina" in the UK and Australia, so of course it's regarded as more shocking in those countries, especially by people like you. "Twat" literally refers to female genitalia, but in British slang it just means "idiot".

[quote] Also dopey, but he's a dope.

Agreed, r266, even if that was his intent in framing it for himself in the best possible light.

His doing this is a variation on when he was interviewed about seeing Q E II during the Jubilee.

Didn't he paint himself as her savior and wanting to check on her to make sure she was safe, and that the right people were around her?

Because, if she was in danger, apparently, he could deploy his superpowers to instantly transport himself from Montecito to wherever she was, so he could rescue her.

Man, he has so fucked himself.

Laugh if you will, but, speaking of rescuing, I think King Charles is waiting in the wings, grief-stricken, concerned and embarrassed for his son.

KC will forgive him. And, will not change any beneficiary financial documents, leaving Harry's name on them, assuming he dies before Harry.

Now, William is whole other kettle of fish. That London Bridge is permanently burned.

I'm not contradicting my previous sentence to say that time has a way of healing things, putting things in perspective.

I predict one day into the far future, William and Harry will speak cordially again, but something elemental is gone between those two, and will never be retrieved.

This rude book just puts a period on the end of it, what William and the rest of his family and friends knew for years: Harry is a selfish dolt with mental health and long-standing rage/entitlement issues.

William is probably angry, but relieved (as he has been for some time now) that Harry and his Mrs are out of the BRF, out of the UK and out of his hair, permanently.

R66 That was when my opinion of Harry and Meghan did an abrupt 180. Up until then, I had wished them well and thought Meghan was a savvy addition to the BRF.

But for Meghan to upstage Eugenie on her wedding day in that ridiculous maternity dress? When she wasn’t even showing yet? So tacky. As an American, I still get secondhand embarrassment just thinking about it.

From Vanity Fair:

Prince William will not forgive Prince Harry for spilling their closest secrets, friends of the Prince of Wales have said after Harry revealed how he and William came to physical blows over Meghan Markle in 2019.

The fact that Harry has written about private family moments and the specifics of intimate conversations will be concerning and upsetting for the royals. According to sources close to William, he is furious that Harry has leaked details of their private conversations and the damage that Harry is causing the royal family. The source also said there was “a massive trust issue” between the brothers with William worried that any communication he has with his brother will be made public.

““William worries everything and anything he says will be made public. For now he isn’t going to be commenting or reacting, his plan is to ride this all out. At the end of the day he will still be the Prince of Wales, and that’s what he is focused on.”

King Charles is also said to be increasingly wearied by his son and daughter-in-law’s attacks on the family and is apparently concerned that Queen Consort Camilla will not escape Harry’s book untarnished. “The King is less worried about the attacks on him, but he would be very upset if Harry takes a pop at Camilla and there is every chance Harry could do that.”

R268 agree about Charles’ concern about Harry. Unfortunately, not a lot he can do about repairing Harry’s relationship with William.

My older brother and I are close and have been since our teens. We’ve had only one wobble about a decade ago. It was a short but very painful breech of our connection.

It happened when we were vacationing with our parents and was over something stupid. It blew over in a week. But I’ll never forget the grief/pain I felt during that time—it was unlike anything I’d ever experienced. I’d had much worse fights with lovers and my brother and I both had a very stormy relationship with our mother since childhood. So fighting with people I was close to wasn’t new to me.

But to have a falling out with someone who had always been on my side and truly loved me unconditionally with no judgment truly tore me apart. We were equally responsible for the blow up and felt equally terrible about it but neither could say sorry for several days.

Oddly, it was my mom—our common enemy—who had the insight and empathy to bring us together. She invited me to go to an art museum with her alone and then out to lunch. She was uncharacteristically tender with me while never directly mentioning the issue with my brother. I was so sad that day but never broached the subject with her.

At end of the day when I dropped her off at her hotel before heading to mine (my brother and I always stayed at a separate hotel than our parents so we could maintain a healthy distance and had privacy to commiserate and laugh) she said quietly: “your brother loves you very much and you’re very lucky to have each other. This too shall pass.”

I’ve thought about this a lot when reading these threads. I’m sure this breech between brothers has been unbearably painful, especially with various factions stirring the pot. Pre-Meghan, it seems like Kate played a major role in calming the seas when things got rocky.

I don’t doubt that Charles would like to do so but do doubt he has the capacity.

That moment with my mom allowed me to loosen my defenses and head back to my hotel, knock on my brother’s door and ask him to have a drink by the pool. We never discussed what happened. We simply grabbed a drink and found our footing by reporting back on the crazy things our parents had done during our stay.

We’ve been right as rain ever since. Think it’s too late for Harry and William, though. And what we see as anger is really incredible grief.

I would bet that Charles is very worried about Harry, not just angry at him. He exhibits real anger and mental issues, in the Oprah interview, in the Netflix series, and now this book. Poor judgement as well - nothing like brining the anger of the Taliban down on your head.

There's nothing any of them can do, but I bet the entire BRF is worried and concerned.

Vanity Fair,100% sugars, took a DM story from two years ago and changed a few words.

[quote]There's nothing any of them can do, but I bet the entire BRF is worried and concerned.

There's plenty the King can do.

He will arrange to remove Harry from the list of the counselors of state, and he will no longer help Harry and Meghan financially. They will be discouraged from coming to the UK, and will no longer be asked to attend family functions after the Coronation.

He should not be a counselor to the state--he's mentally ill and exercises poor judgment. Give him enough money to cover his security and freeze him out at family gatherings. Take away the kids' prince and princess titles because why would they want to be part of a racist institution? No drama.

King Charles won't do any of that.

It's obvious that Harry is suffering quite seriously with his mental health, cutting him off from his only real chance of recovery could be dangerous. They'll ignore it publicly and try to work behind the scenes to try to get him more help.

The idea of walking behind Diana's coffin should not even have been suggested to William and Harry. For a teenage boy, pretty much the most embarrassing thing in the world would be to cry in public. They had to walk through streets lined with people, knowing they were on worldwide television. They must have felt massive pressure to hold it together. It wasn't a fair position to put them in. They should have been taken into the church as quickly and discreetly as possible, so that if they needed to cry, they could do so privately. It was their mother's funeral. Yes, William seems to dealt with it better than Harry did, but people are different. Doesn't mean Harry's grievance isn't legitimate. He was allegedly used a human shield - the Palace thought there was less chance of Charles being heckled or even attacked if his sons were by his side.

But I think we can all agree that whatever mistakes Charles made when Harry was young, he is well and truly paying for them now. Harry is a very damaged man.

He's on the list, yes, but Counsellors of State are appointed to function on a case by case basis, there's a clear expiration date. Which was why Anne and Edward were added - to provide more choice without humiliating Andrew, Beatrice and the Dupe of Sussex. If the King is incapacitated and unable to appoint a CoS, the Regency Act of 1937 provides a process for the next in the line of succession to become regent. It was just an elegant solution.

But I agree Charles has some kind of a dilemma. Can they really do nothing nothing or do they have to do a little to appear not to be total pushovers? Maybe Charles' instinct is to be kind, but he also owes a loyalty to William as his heir that is different from his loyalties to William and the other one as his sons. I don't know. He's insulted Charles' wife, his heir and his daughter in law and be vuglarly indiscreet in violating the privacy of any number of members of the family.

Maybe in a month it won't matter and we'll all be saying yes, yes, saying nothing is exactly the right thing to do, aren't they smart, but right now I'd love to see a little retribution. How can they let that asshole get away with this?

I don't agree the boys were used as human shields. They got caught up in the Edwardian thinking of the monarchy (royal family and courtiers) that started to wither substantially in the wake of Diana's death.

As a sign of respect, the men of the royal family walked behind the coffin of dead relations as far back as Queen Victoria's funeral. It would be reflexive to propose it in this instance, and doubly so when the Palace was running scared after the backlash and scrambling to get off the back foot.

Also at that point planning was joint between the palace, the government and the Spencers. Spencer had declared he was going to walk - I think I recall alone, which would have sent the palace into a panic spin over the they might look bad if members of the royal family didn't walk. The story is Prince Philip said I'll walk if you'll walk with me and the boys agreed.

Was it a mistake? Accidentally, I guess. It isn't asking too much of a 12 and 16 year old to attend their mother's funeral so, in the royal world of this is what we do, it would probably be a reflex to ask them to walk behind the coffin. Reflex and precedent are the royal family's Achilles heel (you could probably throw married women not your wife in there too) but that started going out the window after Diana's death when they started taking a good long look at how things were done. Remember, by the time the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret died, Prince Charles was making video tributes - unheard of, until it wasn't. By the time the Queen died, her granddaughters were doing tribute vigils in Westminster Hall. Again, unheard of until it wasn't.

The ladies of The View are almost entirely on William's side, and they think Meghan is genuinely "the sainted one" (In Joy's words) and the equivalent of Princess Diana.

Sorry: I menat to say they're almost entirely on HARRY'S side, not William's.

R263 -- Agreed. A lot of the veterans I know struggle with overcoming the stigma of therapy, since it's drilled into them in the military to just suck it up, but I think that's changing, and there are those who are quite open about their struggles.

It doesn't strike me that Harry talking about his kills is therapy; it's a boast.

My dad was in WWII, but he never talked about it. I remember once, when I was a kid, asking if he had ever killed anyone, but he never answered.

You know whom I feel sorry for in all of this? Harry and Meghan's dog. He did nothing wrong and his supper dish got broken.

Following on from my post at r249, after Moehringer dropped out, I wouldn't be surprised if Omid Scobie was tapped as the ghostwriter of Spare.

Charles will not remove Harry from the list of Counsellors of State, r275. Harry will simply not perform any duties as Counsellor of State, which he can't do anyway as he isn't in the country. He will support Harry and his grandchildren to make sure they are ok. Harry will always be welcome at family events.

I'm sure Charles and the whole family are worried about Harry and hope he will be ok.

Not only that, but Harry will never be Regent for George should anything happen to Charles and William (before George is 18). Anne, Edward, or even Kate with be Regent; there is precedent for the latter with the Regency Act in the 1950s, naming Philip as potential Regent over Margaret, for a young Charles.

R278, Prior to the funeral, the RF had William and Harry doing walkabouts among the grieving mourners, which had to be even harder for them than walking behind their mother’s casket.

R284, What about Bogart?

R281, Of course, Sunny would bring up “bigotry”.

R288 They did that before Diana's funeral also.

Meghan was never pregnant r243. Harry states they both had food to eat as they went into the hospital. The ONE thing that women in labor, advanced enough to go to the hospital, are NOT allowed to do is eat. This is universal. She's never, ever been pregnant.

R291, Yes, that’s what “Prior to the funeral” means.

Sorry, I thought you meant the funeral of The Queen.

To this day, the dog is probably still eating off the floor because Harry and Meghan can't afford to buy him a new dish from IKEA

Honestly r270, it was obvious from day one what she was about. One look at her social media told you all you needed to know.

R273 Harry’s kill count could be used to manipulate the RF into paying for his security.

The spin begins. She will claim battery etc as soon as she is ready to leave.

Unfortunately for her r298, she's already well known as a lifelong user, and incorrigible bully. With proof.

R281 The one who said that Harry needed to release his memoir so that the public could finally learn “the truth” is a genuine moron.

What about the shockingly tone deaf Africa documentary? Or that ridiculous hagiography, “Finding Freedom,” which they denied any involvement with until a court of law forced them to admit otherwise? What about the infamous Oprah interview? Or the various other interviews, podcasts and print media puff pieces all documenting “their side of the story”?

“The truth” is the Harkles never shut up about their ill treatment at the hands of the tabloid press, the royal family and the British public. They are confirmed fabulists who lie as easily as they breathe and who have spent the past several years doing their level best to undermine and humiliate their families. It’s difficult to understand how anyone with two brain cells to rub together could still have sympathy for either of them anymore.

Harry blithely writing about his Taliban kill count:

R245 Harry isn’t some vulnerable child. He’s a grown man who chose a deeply disturbed and hateful partner such as himself. He’s envious, stupid, and entitled. He had all of the privileges of their heir but none of the responsibilities. Rather than be grateful, he feels cheated. He has no self awareness and will lie about his family for cash. There is nothing admirable about him.

At some point they are going to have to downsize. Maybe she can start flipping properties and get her real estate agent license: Duchess Real Estate.

The contradictions are dizzying .... Ripped jeans and bare feet to meet the future sister-in-law, no preparation to meet the Queen and future grandmother, but hair/make-up guidance and curtsy lessons to meet Charles?

R287, Harry won't be regent in the unlikely event that anything happens to both Charles and William before George is 18 because he is not domiciled in the UK. Thus, he does not fulfil the criteria for being regent as set out in the 1937 Regency Act. So, the issue does not even arise as to whether to exclude him from the regency.

Sure r245, but Harry's hateful, irresponsible aspects weren't apparent, at least not publicly, until Meghan Markle entered his life.

“Full skirt patterned with flowers” - beautiful description of her outfit from Smeg.

It’s like the “spreading branches of a banyan tree” - Meghan’s florid prose can be spotted a mile away. Harry would have said “under a tree”.

r300 The View seems a very low calibre show with low quality rentagobs on the panel.

The View is a ridiculous clucking hagfest. If you are a grown man who watches that shit, you're pathetic.

R281, Those women are instructed as to what to say on the air by the producers in a pre-production meeting, as well as during the show through the earpieces they all wear.

Harry gave an interview to ABC on GMA, so of course “The View” would support him, being an ABC show.

I have to say, HArry has no filters. IMO he definitely has mental health issues. But the fact is who ever edited the interview should have edited the fucking Taliban comments out. I get it. All's fair and all that, but really, some editorial judgement was in order. Because talking about killing Taliban is much bigger than Harry the disgruntled Prince.

R309 LOL@ “rentagobs.”

I almost have to wonder if he got advice and coaching from Uncle Andrew... Andy certainly knows how to give interviews...

R292 Take your inane and ignorant conspiracy theories elsewhere. This is a site for gay men, not fat old women going through the menopause..

Of course she was pregnant, twice. Only the most profoundly stupid people think ptherwise. Just fuck off.

There is an op ed piece in today's New York times by Patti Davis. I'll link it, but it's paywalled. I'll cut and paste. She argues that he will come to regret writing this, as she regrets writing her autobiography and telling the world so many "truths" about her parents and family life.

"During the early stages of my father’s Alzheimer’s, when he still had lucid moments, I apologized to him for writing an autobiography many years earlier in which I flung open the gates of our troubled family life. He was already talking less at that point, but his eyes told me he understood.

I thought of that moment when I read that Prince Harry, in his new memoir, wrote about his father, King Charles, getting between his battling sons and saying, “Please, boys, don’t make my final years a misery.”

Time is an unpredictable thing. What will someone’s last memory be? I had the gift of time with my father, which allowed me to apologize, even though a disease hovered between us and clouded our communication. King Charles’s words reveal a man who is aware of his mortality and who would like his offspring to be aware of it as well. 1/

My justification in writing a book I now wish I hadn’t written (and please, don’t go buy it; I’ve written many other books since) was very similar to what I understand to be Harry’s reasoning. I wanted to tell the truth, I wanted to set the record straight. Naïvely, I thought if I put my own feelings and my own truth out there for the world to read, my family might also come to understand me better.

2/

"Of course, people generally don’t respond well to being embarrassed and exposed in public. And in the ensuing years, I’ve learned something about truth: It’s way more complicated than it seems when we’re young. There isn’t just one truth, our truth — the other people who inhabit our story have their truths as well.

Prince William has, I’m sure, his own take on the physical fight that Harry has described. To really understand the dynamic between the brothers, to broaden the story and make it more complete, William’s truth has to be considered as well. Harry has written that, after William hit him, William told Harry to hit him back, which he declined to do. But by writing about the fight, he’s done exactly that.

Harry has also expressed a wish that his relationship with William, and with his father, heals. Maybe that will happen, but they’ll have to walk a long distance across a battlefield that he has now expanded.

Years ago, someone asked me what I would say to my younger self if I could. Without hesitating I answered: “That’s easy. I’d have said, ‘Be quiet.’” Not forever. But until I could stand back and look at things through a wider lens. Until I understood that words have consequences, and they last a really long time.

Harry has called William not only his “beloved brother” but his “arch nemesis.” He chose words that cut deep, that leave a scar; perhaps if he had taken time to be quiet, to reflect on the enduring power of his words, he’d have chosen differently."

sorry, here's the link:

R316 Maybe, but I doubt Harry is capable of that level of self-reflection or experiencing genuine feelings of regret. So far, he has proven himself to be incapable of admitting to any wrongdoing on his part.

Plus he lives in isolation, with one other voice.

And here's an interview with a retired British colonel. He was quoted in an article in The Guardian this morning about reactions among veterans to Harry's boast of killing 25 people. He blames Meghan not so subtly.

The more I think of it, Harry is a very immature 38-year-old-man.

R311 Ah, makes sense. Anymore, most morning television is just a series of commercials for other network-affiliated media and products.

How many times have you been pregnant r315?? Hmm?? You fat fuck basement dwelling loser? She's NEVER been pregnant. Only a complete moron would ignore the copious amount of evidence.

The Daily Mail says royal sources have just said that Harry has been written out of the Coronation script.

I can't imagine who would want him there now.

Link below

Harry has some of Diana's mental illnesses, plus oppositional, on top of not being very smart. The family always "pays" for a member's MI.

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The Col. Tim Collins remarks are the beginning of the end for Harry.

R315 is claiming to be a gay man, indeed SHRIEKING about it, yet ONLY posts on Harry and Meghan threads. Which is unlike 99.9% of the actual gay men here.

Moehringer did not drop out, and was happy to collect his coins.

So Harry is no stranger to huffing. That explains a lot.

If you'd read the actual Sunday Times/Mail article, r324, you would have noticed that Harry has not been "written out", but Charles apparently (according to "sources", which are frequently wrong) wants to drop the tradition of royal dukes kneeling in front of the monarch. Therefore, no royal duke will have a role at Charles' coronation.

The big rift is media bullshit. Charles and William are no doubt highly worried for Harry.

The Taliban are putting their spin on Harry's revelation say they have researched the dates Harry killed 25 and there were no soldiers present, only civilians. Probably propaganda bullshit but it's enough to provoke some American home grown fanatics.

Montecito you in danger.

R331, but it can’t be a coincidence that the change will prevent either Harry or Andrew from staging a scene. Indeed, neither one has to appear at all.

A lot of the most bizarre gossip about Harry and Meghan (such as their consultation with a psychic) has, over time, been proven to be true.

The rift is not something made up by the "media." Have you read any of Hsrold's excerpts R331? The LIES.

The Colllins material is scathing:

"Prince Harry's latest revelations in his memoir 'Spare' are clearly a tragic money-making scam to fund the lifestyle he can't afford and someone else has chosen.... He has chosen a path that is alien to us in the UK and the Commonwealth, pursuing US identity politics and casting slurs or racism around where none exists in any manner comparable to the USA.

"I wonder whose path he has chosen? In the end, I see only disappointment and misery in his pursuit of riches he does not need and his rejection of family and comradely love that he badly needs."

R331 if the change is true, it aligns with the King’s wish to simplify the coronation ceremony while niftily solving the problem of the optics of two of the royal dukes - Andrew and Harry - paying homage and swearing allegiance to the King.

If Harry and the missus attend they will be seated with the extended royal family, as they were at the funeral. I wonder if they’ll find that big candle to plant right in the cameras’ sight lines of Smeg? I also wonder if she’ll wear a tiara? I think they are required for a coronation. They might sling her the diamond bandeau from her wedding - nobody will want to touch that for a few decades. The Spencer tiara will already be reserved for the Earl’s latest wife.

R335 “someone else has chosen” - scathing alright!

The Times: Harry’s disloyalty in spilling the beans has staggered lifelong friends of the brothers, who thought they would always have each other’s backs, no matter how distant they grew. While fisticuffs in the Nottingham Cottage kitchen in 2019 have long been known about in their tight-knit group, nobody thought Harry would go there. Why? Because of how much “shit” on Harry friends and family have kept under wraps for years, much of which has so far not emerged in the book’s leaked extracts.

“I don’t know how you can do that to your brother, even if you don’t like or get on with him any more,” says a friend of the royal family. “William was always there to pick up the pieces for Harry, he was his mum [after Diana]. There’s so much stuff over the years that Harry has rung friends up about and said, ‘throw away that photo, promise you won’t speak about this’. You could have a f***ing field day with shit on Harry. So could William, who (in comparison) is as clean as a whistle. I can’t believe he’d stoop so low. It’s outrageously disloyal.”

Another close friend of the brothers says: “It’s strategically not clever. Harry is good at getting his narrative out there but we know so much, we’ve cleaned up so many messes over the years, there is so much we could say.” Several friends of Harry, once loyal to him, say they are considering whether to go on the record to debunk some of his claims as “bollocks” and drop counter-bombshells of their own. “Loyalty works both ways,” warns one.

Times: His claim that it was William and Kate who encouraged him to wear a Nazi uniform to a fancy dress party in 2005 when Harry was 20 and “howled” with laughter when he phoned them to ask what to wear is news to a former royal aide who helped to handle the fallout and spoke to Harry at length at the time. “I was there in the middle of all of that, at no point did Harry ever say that to me,” they said. “There was no mention to any advisers at the time that it was William and Kate’s idea or they thought it was hilariously funny. That recollection did not exist at the time, contemporaneously.” Another well-placed friend who attended the same party, says of Harry pointing the finger at the Waleses: “Bullshit. It was nothing to do with them.”

Harry has also written that his role as best man at William and Kate’s 2011 wedding was a “bare-faced lie” that he was forced to go along with to spare two of William’s friends — Thomas van Straubenzee and James Meade, who gave a joint speech at the evening reception — the scrutiny. “Willy didn’t want me giving a best man’s speech,” writes Harry, who says he was demoted to being a mere compere and introducing them. It is another version of events that has exasperated the brothers’ closest friends. “Harry didn’t want to be best man, he kept saying for months it should be Thomas and James because they were William’s best mates,” says one.

Times: Harry has also written that his role as best man at William and Kate’s 2011 wedding was a “bare-faced lie” that he was forced to go along with to spare two of William’s friends — Thomas van Straubenzee and James Meade, who gave a joint speech at the evening reception — the scrutiny. “Willy didn’t want me giving a best man’s speech,” writes Harry, who says he was demoted to being a mere compere and introducing them. It is another version of events that has exasperated the brothers’ closest friends. “Harry didn’t want to be best man, he kept saying for months it should be Thomas and James because they were William’s best mates,” says one.

Times: Of the royal households’ silence so far, a palace aide says: “What would be the point of stepping out into moving traffic? There is not a sense that the Palace walls are crumbling around us, we’re just focusing on getting on with the job.” Like his eldest son, the King will also be back out on manoeuvres next week. A royal adviser says: “What does Harry want from the family? He wants 100 per cent validation of their story, he wants the Palace to say we’re sorry in a way that says everything we’ve been saying since Oprah is true. That won’t happen, because it’s not all true. The Palace will rise above it and let time do its job.”

Another close friend of the brothers says: “It’s strategically not clever. Harry is good at getting his narrative out there but we know so much, we’ve cleaned up so many messes over the years, there is so much we could say.” Several friends of Harry, once loyal to him, say they are considering whether to go on the record to debunk some of his claims as “bollocks” and drop counter-bombshells of their own. “Loyalty works both ways,” warns one.

That gives me goosebumps.

Bring it, boys.

[quote] If you'd read the actual Sunday Times/Mail article, r324, you would have noticed that Harry has not been "written out",

And yet, here is what it says in the article:

[quote] 'Prince Harry has been written out of the script for the Coronation, with no official role in the service if he attends,' the paper's Royal Editor tweeted.

Lick me, asswipe.

R334, the media keep pushing the bullshit line that William is "done" with Harry, even though William hasn't said a thing or given any such indication. This ridiculous claim that Harry has been cut out from any role from Charles's coronation is just one example of that. Not only has no programme for the coronation been provided yet, the actual claim is that all royal dukes will be removed from the programme, not just Harry. So, even if this story is true, it's not specifically about Harry.

Harry's name is Henry, not Hsrold or even Harold. Having read the excerpts, I would say that William is more likely worried for Harry than anything else.

R344 see R336

R344 yes we all know that Harry’s real name is “Henry” and at the announcement of his names Charles and Diana stipulated that he would be known as “Harry”.

“Harold” would appear to be Williams’s nickname for Harry just as “Willy” would appear to be his nickname for William.

Hope that helps, R344.

What the DM article says, arsewipe at r343, is:

[quote]'Breaking with tradition, Charles will scrap royal dukes kneeling and paying homage to the monarch. Only William will perform that role

In other words, Harry has not been written out but there may be no role for any royal duke at the coronation, if the sources are correct. The media is putting the spin on it that Harry is specifically being cut out because the royal family no longer wants anything to do with him.

What I quoted was word-for-word what is in the article, and yet you somehow deny it.

The Taliban is coming! The Taliban is coming!

Stedman, grab the bread! And, the dogs!

R133, I'm sure Meghan has never made him forget for one second that he is a the privilegest of white males.

It seems Harry is getting blasted to shit from all around, except for Joy Behr and the other idiots on The View.

The job of a ghost writer is to not change anything or lay your own personal views upon what the subject believes and says.

He actually did a pretty good job and just let Harry be Harry (i.e a whining, stupid man-baby).

I think it would be in everyone's best interests, including Harry & Meghan's, for them to decline the invitation to the coronation. I also think that if Charles has any sense, he won't even invite Andrew. Time to kick him to the curb.

I really want them to go - their poor reception and the awkwardness all around at the Jubilee was very entertaining.

On second thought, screw the dogs - just grab the bread!

[quote]It seems Harry is getting blasted to shit from all around, except for Joy Behr

Joy Behar is just doing what her bosses tell her to do. In this case be the contrarian to stir up the wider held views, to enhance the controversy and pull in viewers.

Liberals and conservatives each subscribe to a portfolio of views. An article of faith for liberals is that Meghan was a victim of racism. If you want to test this by stepping out of line, go look at what happened to that Politico writer who said Meghan and Harry were narcissists. Ka-boom.

Thanks, BonniePrinceCharlie, for pasting the Patti Davis article. She's not only admitted her mistake to her family, but also to the world. That takes guts.

And she's right that Harry may not have physically retaliated to William, but he sure got him back through the book. Harry is a coward, hiding behind his wife's skirts and enabled by celebrity interviewers who will never really challenge him, just provide him with more of a platform.

R357, please, Harry just exploded that myth. It was all about HIM being the victim.

Daily Mail is full of shit. As far as I know Harry has no role in the coronation. Period. Only William might. Now if Charles wanted all the nobility in robes in a procession than Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, would be part of a procession that included dozens of other people.

Well, he DID have a role, but now he doesn't.

R306 That’s because Harry was previously protected by the palace. Now we are seeing the real Harry.

Somebody told me that they were going to be like the Kardashians and I laughed and said no way their image is too classy for that. But now after reading about Harry being circumcised, having frostbite on his todger, and huffing laughing gas while his wife was in the hospital giving birth.... he has stooped so low he may as well be another Kardashian.

Remember the ho from Vegas who was paid off to be silent? She just revealed that Harold was unable to perform sexually. They kissed and had a chat instead.

I read another excerpt from the book this morning (which I can't find now), where Harry was talking about the matrons at Eton. He said he had a crush on some of them, but not one called Pat, who was short and ugly. She had sciatica and would walk down the stairs backwards. He would mimic her in front of the other students for laughs. What an asshole! Not just to make fun of her, but to write about it in his book. What if she's still living and recognizes herself. How mean!

R361, royal dukes, and the rest of the peerage, traditionally had a formal role in coronations. Each of royal dukes would personally swear loyalty, then the assembled dukes and earls would, en masse, do the same. It was a part of demonstrating the legitimacy of the new monarch’s reign.

Cutting out the part of the dukes swearing allegiance is to avoid Andrew and Harry having a role. The cut being revealed now implies that Harry's disloyalty is a major deciding factor.

and also to save time. The coronation for the queen ran 3 hours or so. Charles is apparently aiming for one. The cutting out of the peerage makes sense in 2022. It's a happy coincidence it frees Harry up to do nothing. It's what he's best at after making trouble.

[quote] The cut being revealed now implies that Harry's disloyalty is a major deciding factor.

Then that's probably intentional.

The cut being revealed now also implies that Harry's circumcision is a major deciding factor.

[quote] “Harold, you must listen to me! I just want you to be happy, Harold. I swear I swear on Mummy’s life.

[quote] “He stopped. I stopped. Pa stopped. He’d gone there.

[quote] “He’d used the secret code, the universal password. Ever since we were boys those three words were to be used only in times of extreme crisis.”

MARY!

^ Also from the above article:

[quote] “Meg was apparently a bully, that was the latest vicious campaign they’d helped orchestrate.

[quote] “It was so shocking, so egregious, that even after Meg and I demolished their lie with a 25-page, evidence-filled report to human resources, I was going to have trouble simply shrugging that one off.”

[quote] Harry blamed Charles and Wills for dealing with the media and wrote: “They began talking over each other. We’ve been down this road a hundred times, they said. You’re delusional, Harry. But they were the delusional ones.”

I don't really understand this bit. Were William and Charles calling Harry delusional for believing that they'd sold those stories to the media? Or were they calling him delusional for believing that the way Meghan treated the staff was appropriate?

I wish H's friends would release the dirt on him, it's fair play

I swear on Mummy’s life.

“He stopped. I stopped. Pa stopped. He’d gone there.

“He’d used the secret code, the universal password. Ever since we were boys those three words were to be used only in times of extreme crisis.”

Well that's five words, but Haz is no mathematician.

And how can something be both

secret code, the universal password?

He is not well

[quote]“Our lives were built on death, our brightest days shadowed by it. Looking back, I didn't see spots of time, but dances with death.” He described Windsor Castle as a “tomb, the walls filled with ancestors” and Tower of London “held together with the blood of animals” adding, “maybe we were a death cult”.

Purple prose, courtesy of Meghan

Tut tut! DL should change its name to High Dudgeon Lounge. Pip pip cheerio!

[quote] “maybe we were a death cult”.

Oh honey, everything was a death cult back in those days. All over the world. The world was a savage, brutal place.

I think his and William's friends may begin telling tales on Harry. There's an article now on the DM with various friends telling about his antics in a hotel somewhere (Switzerland?) and how he took a girl younger than him into his hotel room. He made her sign a NDA afterwards.

R379 The Sun just published it too! By publishing this book, Harry has [stupidly] opened the door for all aspects of his past to be reported on now.

Harry is trash!

When on earth was their image classy r363??

Here's the story I posted in R365 about Harry and the matron. I got some of the details wrong.

[quote] Oh honey, everything was a death cult back in those days. All over the world. The world was a savage, brutal place.

But at Balmoral, all seemed to breathe freedom and peace, and to make one forget the world and its sad turmoils.

r382 I figured Harry being a Prince he wouldn't stoop to that level but I was wrong

Harry having another hissy fit

[quote]But at Balmoral, all seemed to breathe freedom and peace, and to make one forget the world and its sad turmoils.

However, in Montecito...

The purple prose makes this shit sound unbelievable.

It’s pretty amazing that William seems to have given the green light for mutual friends to share info on Harry’s shady past.

I hope it pours out.

The comments about Harry by that Brit general are truly remarkable. I’m certain that will be the most painful rebuke for Harry. His military service was the only thing in his life that he could point to as an accomplishment. He’s shattered that.

This doesn’t feel fun anymore. I fear this will end very, very badly for him.

His best hope is if she leaves him and the RF drags him back to England, throws him in rehab, and coddles him until the end of his days. He simply isn’t capable of making it on his own.

[quote] and Tower of London “held together with the blood of animals”

What? It was just the royal menagerie not the Colosseum.

The both of them are the lowest of low of humans, they are the garbage, filthy stinking garbage. May they rot together.....

BOO! I wanted to read comments at the Daily Mail but they are heavily moderating so not many new comments

Among all the noise, another “revelation” that slipped under the radar is that apparently he enjoyed going to the ROH Covent Garden anonymously, in particular to enjoy “Pelléas et Mélisande”. This would also demonstrate exquisite taste in music which I find hard to believe as he’s never been known to be an opera lover, unlike his father. I really can’t reconcile dumb Harry siting 3 hours listening to such a cerebral opera as Pelléas. What a dumb cunt pretending he’s into the higher arts.

Queen Elizabeth II was a cunt.

It would have helped him tremendously if he'd read the history of The Tower of London, animals weren't the biggest problem.

I'm beginning to feel sorry and worried for him, he wants to be a real boy but isn't?

Yeah I’m not sure that reading is one of Harold’s core competencies.

He'll be fine, looning around with his flock of California therapists, seancing, and looking longingly at the blue box of Di's hair. Don't forget the charming and wise Meg-Doria whispering in each ear.

R393, this one of the most shockingly unbelievable statements yet.

Don't feel sorry for him one bit. Not for one minute.

I love it when The Times weighs in on things, because you know they have the best sourcing. If Harry and Wiliam's longtime posh pals are threatening to unleash the hounds, they mean it.

Purple prose, yellow journalism. After reading the comments on this thread, it seems obvious to me, Megan wrote this book! The title should have honestly said, Spare- as told by Harry Wales to Megan Markle. From the snippets shared already, the anecdotes sound like they would have come from Harry as recalled by Megan. I'll bet there isn't one passage that puts Megan in a bad light. What are the odds that Harry has even read the book?

R397, Just think how much that box of Diana’s hair would sell for on eBay.

I honestly thought the “box of hair” post was a parody post until I read down further. Same when they named their daughter Lilibet Diana. I thought FOR SURE someone was taking the piss.

Naming the kid Lilibet was an insult to the Queen. It was a private term of endearment between Liz & Phil.

Harry was saying "Fuck your private endearment! That name is MINE now, granny!"

[quote] Naming the kid Lilibet was an insult to the Queen. It was a private term of endearment between Liz & Phil.

It actually goes much earlier than that. It's what Elizabeth called herself as a small child, and her parents and her sister called her that long before Philip did.

[quote]IMO, I find Meghan's claiming Diana very disturbing. Claiming she spoke to her, and all the other voodoo bullshit. I can understand Harry. He suffers from mental illness IMO. Charles and Diana...and Camilla and William, are all part of his intimate family history. The turbulence, the acrimony, the publicity, etc. He has been forced to live his life on a public stage. His mother courted and attempted to manipulate the attention she got. As a result she put her kids in a goldfish bowl.

I do believe in the volatility of the environment and the interactions among all those principal players, Harry was floundering from a very young age. So the things afflicting him go back to his childhood. Then, when his mother was unexpectedly killed in a car crash it was played out in the media repeatedly for YEARS, but most especially in the days following her death, it had to be deeply traumatic for him to keep reliving that. He has already described the grotesque phenomenon of walking behind her casket. We watched on TV. But the weeping shouting mourning crowds along that endless walk had a horrible effect on him and he has said so.

It wasn't so much that William was deferred to or indulged because he was the Heir and the eldest, but William's personality, his anger and stubbornness demanded a lot of effort from Charles. Harry as a youngster was emotionally more demanding of parental guidance, but didn't get that kind of attention. I just don't feel like Charles was a very capable parent. I think he blew hot and cold at times loving and patient and sympathetic and at others volatile, explosive and mean spirited. Charles was perfectly capable I would bet, of walking away, as he did with Diana, when a situation was too fraught. No one was more self indulgent than Charles. All his life .

Bottom line I judge Meghan much more harshly than I ever will judge Harry. I have a feeling about her as she portrays herself as a victim, that she will turn on Harry eventually and use his mental health issues as an excuse to dump him and say he simply exhausted her and she was concerned for her own health because she has to be a good mother. That is the other part of this. Meghan strikes me as someone who will definitely use those kids as a bargaining chip. If she tells the world Harry is mentally unstable, she can make a case to at least threaten him...and his wealthy family by depriving him of contact with his kids.I think that would damned near kill Harry

Brilliant post above IMO - from Thread 18. Sums it up - sadly. I worry for Harry.

Sorry I screwed up the copy and paste in R406. I only said the last sentence and was quoting R603 on Revenge 18

Not Revenge 18 - hell I can't keep the threads straight. Sorry I don't know where it came from but it was on here and it's spot on. Suicide watch for Harold?

R400 While nowhere near the reputation standard of The Times, for kicks I've been watching Lady C on YouTube the past couple weeks and she has been hinting that there will be a massively scandalous story about the Sussexes breaking before the Coronation likely leaked by Harry's former friends.

[quote] An article of faith for liberals is that Meghan was a victim of racism. If you want to test this by stepping out of line, go look at what happened to that Politico writer who said Meghan and Harry were narcissists.

True, but that's crumbling. Meg's bougie self-regard (see The Cut article) and Harry's trainwreck memoir (Don Lemon: "it's gauche") make it easier for them to let go. And unless it just hasn't been leaked, the memoir makes no mention of racist discussions, so no new fodder for white-guilt posturing.

The whole passage starting at R371 reads like a bodice-ripper.

The bits that have been reprinted fully sound like it's a mix of Meghan's overripe prose and someone's idea of hard-boiled literary fiction ("But it did make me feel different, and that was the main goal. Feel. Different.")

What's also amusing (and I wish someone would ask him about this) is the re-litigation of so many Meghan tabloid stories that have nothing to do with his journey "to the man I've become."

[quote] I really can’t reconcile dumb Harry siting 3 hours listening to such a cerebral opera as Pelléas.

Maybe while shrooming?

[quote]The Taliban have branded Prince Harry a 'big mouth loser'

What, Donald Trump is now the spokesperson for the Taliban?

Lol r348, what you quoted "word-for-word" was some bullshit media spin. You sound as thick as Harry.

No it isn't r367, that's not how the monarchy operates. They would certainly not change a ceremonial tradition just to cut two individuals out surreptitiously. Andrew and Harry were at all the events surrounding the Queen's death, the most publicly prominent being when they stood vigil at the Queen's coffin and followed her funeral cortege, equal to all her other children and grandchildren and right out in full view of the public. Andrew was even on the royal family walk back from church at Christmas and engaged with the public, just like the other members of the family - and this at the time of media and gossip glee that Andrew had allegedly been "thrown out" of Buckingham Palace by Charles.

If there's any special role for Charles's siblings or children at the coronation then I fully expect Andrew and Harry to be part of it

If the part with the royal dukes is being cut out from the coronation, it's because the whole kneeling and professing loyalty and allegiance thing is one of the most out-of-date aspects of the ceremony in modern Britain, especially as the role of hereditary lords in British public and political life has been drastically reduced since the 1950s. It would also fit in with what appears to be Charles's general vision of cutting out some of the bloated excess of the monarchy, more befitting of an empire or of royalty in an era before parliamentary democracy, across Europe and not just in Britain.

R393, Harry does have a great taste in music. Here's a photo of him in the good old days, when Meghan was pretending to care about being a working royal, holding a copy of Pianist magazine.

If only he hadn't let Meghan destroy his relationship with his family. He obviously loved being a working royal, talking to schoolkids and inspiring them.

[quote] It’s difficult to understand how anyone with two brain cells to rub together could still have sympathy for either of them anymore.

At least that explains The View.

R416, That magazine was probably just handed to him.

You mean, he went to a Pianist magazine event, r418? Even then, he would have handed it straight away to security or some ushers, as happens at every single event the royals go to, which is why you never see them walking around with things in their hands. To sill be holding it means he had a personal interest.

I just feel so sad. He obviously is so blinded by jealousy and rage and need of revenge that he has hit the nuclear option. How the fuck will any of them be able to have any conversation with him?. William will be so hurt and angry. Harry is one bitter bitch. Fuck I hate the betrayal, loath the situation and love the gossip!!

Reddit sleuths are on the nitric oxide case! The hospital where she had Archie has nitric oxide piped in though wall valve so never runs out. The sleuths have posted photos of maternity wing rooms and hospital staff and patients have chimed in.

So! Harry might have huffed laughing gas but a nurse did not change a canister because he didn’t empty one.

Really hope Hospital comments on his claim and their thought on him taking medication not prescribed to him.

I actually find William more likeable now. I previously thought he came across as snooty and arrogant (and being a royal, he probably is, to some extent). But it sounds as though he genuinely wants the best for his brother. I think he was in a difficult position because he saw right through Meghan, but Harry wouldn't have a word said against her.

She didn't give birth r421. So very many clues that demonstrate this.

[quote] Harry, writing in new book Spare, claims: “My voice broke as I told him softly, ‘I really don’t think you do’.”

Meghan has written Harry as such a pussy.

[quote] Harry claims he fired back with "I love you too…but your stubbornness is extraordinary!"

Yeah, he didn’t say that either.

[quote] If only he hadn't let Meghan destroy his relationship with his family.

I appreciate this choice of words, r416.

I find it very easy to agree with William's characterization of Markle as "difficult", "rude" and "abrasive". In fairness, I'm sure William, behind the scenes, in private, gave as good as he got from Markle, in his own way.

The bottom line, however, is that Harry consented to, allowed, went along with, whatever behaviors both Sussexes in engaged in to create the split.

I blame Harry more than Markle for this situation.

She will, however, in the long run, suffer more than he will.

I take no pleasure in the suffering of any human, except for the drip. drip. drip. of irrelevancy, and financial and legal peril, of Donald Trump. I actually don't want Trump to topple over dead. Some situations are worse than death and I think he's in the perfect shitstorm of hell right now. Good.

I have no doubt Markle will suffer her own irrelevancy, and perhaps, financial peril that threatens the lifestyle she's become accustomed to.

She's pushing forty. She's disliked, and no amount of feminist double-standard speak (a thing that is REAL, men are held to more favorable standards) coming from her, will rescue her, or divert from that. She's preachy, whiney, and doesn't have the gravitas to back-up whatever stand she wants to take.

In short, Markle is no Angelina Jolie, her model for the type of stardom she saw for herself. Jolie managed to create an image of "A List" humanitarian activist/movie star, as artificial or questionable as that image was.

And now, even Jolie's star is fading. Markle's will, too.

It's unfair, unjust and shouldn't be, but Harry will be forgiven. Markle won't be. That alone should suffice to satisfy her detractors.

[quote]I find it very easy to agree with William's characterization of Markle as "difficult", "rude" and "abrasive". In fairness, I'm sure William, behind the scenes, in private, gave as good as he got from Markle, in his own way.

The distinction is their individual motivations.

[quote]She's pushing forty. She's disliked, and no amount of feminist double-standard speak (a thing that is REAL, men are held to more favorable standards) coming from her, will rescue her, or divert from that. She's preachy, whiney, and doesn't have the gravitas to back-up whatever stand she wants to take.

And don't forget barely comprehensible. Standing in your knowing and all that bullshit.

In either The Telegraph this morning, this:

"It was an “obligation” and an “implicit promise” to protect them, the Duke believed, but his wife asked him whether it would ever be removed.

“‘Never. Not in this climate of hate. And not after what happened to my mother,’” he told her.

He then writes, “Also, not in the wake of my Uncle Andrew. Despite being embroiled in a shameful scandal, accused of sexually assaulting a young girl, no one had even suggested removing his security.

“People have had plenty of reasons to complain about us, sex crimes weren't one of them.”

LOL - I can't believe they let that line pass but more significantly, he just threw the Yorks under the bus. Has that created a new pool of leakers? Pretty antagonistic.

1/2

2/2

And this in The Telegraph, from a ghost writer, about Harry's ghost writer, who argues there's a kind of ethics to the work and a good ghost has an obligation to strike a balance between a good story and TMI:

"Which makes me wonder about Moehringer and Harry. Having extracted the all-too-frank admissions that are now splashed over the newspapers, didn’t the avuncular ghost see fit to counsel silence on some subjects? Obviously not all. Revelations about family relationships are essential to the story, but the killing of 25 Taliban are not. Had I been doing this job I’d have strongly advised against including that."

I wonder if this is the emerging new tack, but I can't quite figure out why because this guy is aligned with nobody, so far as I can tell. But in any event I bet Moehringer gets dragged into this mess and put on the defensive. Certainly you can imagine a scenario where the Disgrasussexs start whining "it was all his fault!"

R425, I don't think sociopathic narcs ever suffer, at least not like the rest of us or for the same reasons.

Do they own private jet(s) or just borrow them? Do they rent them and pay? Does Harry have polo expenses? Is Meghan still buying very expensive clothing? Do they pay an enormous staff? How much money do they need? Didn't Meghan figure out in early 2022 their star is NOT rising and best take a new conciliatory track? Is she stupid too?

R430, I think if you look at the trail of decisions you could reasonably conclude she is far more characterized by want and desire and ambition than any particular skills at turning want into long term gain. Without question there's been a pile of toys amassed in a very short time. But is there enough to sustain it?

I wonder if behind the scenes they are getting enough offers to keep them from worrying about money…yet.

They won’t be good offers, but they’re probably getting offers nonetheless.

Maybe they can guest star on the new Fantasy Island reboot.

R427, isn’t what he’s saying (in blatantly unbelievable dialogue) untrue? People were furious about Andrew getting anything from the taxpayers.

R433, I think his point was more no matter what happens, you keep your protection.

It just kind of occurred to me, she appears to have wanted to be Wallis Simpson within the royal family: stylish, sophisticated, glamourous, HRH and in the end she didn't even manage to replicate Wallis in exile.

So who's watching interviews, whichever you have access to?

Thanks Jay Moehringer for your indispensable part in this. You must be very proud.

You wonder if he harmed his interests. "No, I don't want that guy... look at Prince Harry."

R430 "Is Meghan still buying very expensive clothing?"

Scroll down in the article and you'll see she spent over 100,000 euros ($106,400) on clothes and jewelery in 2022. That's in ONE year. Who's paying for this?

What “clues,” R423? You mean she just gained all that weight for the hell of it?

Frauen are closely investigating R440, and should have breakthrough info shortly.

R419, It could have been handed to Harry seconds before the photo was taken.

Hence the term “snapshot”.

R439,

Netflix and Penguin Random House are paying the bills...

for now.

R423 God, you’re stupid. Do you need to have your HRT titrated?

So, here’s what you (and the other brainless hags) think happened:

Markle and her gormless husband engaged in a wholesale criminal conspiracy under the noses of the Metropolitan Police who guarded them night and day. They persuaded a well known female obstetrician to falsify a legal document and then lied to a registrar in order to get a fraudulent entry into the “births” register.

And how deeply fortunate that the entire nursing and medical staff of the (extremely well regarded) Portland Hospital can be relied upon to continue lying for them - risking professional embarrassment and deregistration. Not to mention the doctors who didn’t see her for any ante-natal check ups.

Markle, possibly the vainest woman in the world, spent weeks stuffing her face with doughnuts &/or taking steroids, so that he face and body completely changed shape, which completely defeats the purpose of her using a surrogate in the first place. Or am I being too logical for you?

And your “evidence”? A photo of a billowed out dress which, for you, can only mean that - in full view of a pack of photographers - she staggered out with a huge fake bump between her knees and hoped that no one would notice her waddling. Which, quite remarkably, no one did.

Fucking grow up. I hate the bitch but she had those babies herself. Obviously.

Agreed, agreed, agreed R444. There's another one arouses those of limited intelligence that I just posted in the other thread: the hookers story. I never believed that. Too much risk in too many ways. I have no doubt there was a rumour to that effect but I just can't see it happening any more than I can see it staying under wraps. But if I'm wrong it won't be long coming out now. It's like the Rose Hanbury story. Too many people want it to be true and treat it as true to use it.

Why have H&M never been pressed on that lie they told Oprah that the Archbishop of Canterbury married them in their backyard before the royal wedding?

Something the A of C has denied, by the way.

Quite, R445. I would bloody love the hookers story to be true, but Harry couldn’t even get his nuts out (legally) in a Las Vegas hotel room without making headlines around the world.

You can spot a conspiracy theorist by their refusal to be swayed by facts. Case in point, Archie’s birth certificate. They insist that the fact it says “copy” on it means it’s faked.

No. All British birth cerificates say “Certified Copy of an Entry” on them. Because that’s exactly what they are. When you register a birth the name of the baby literally gets added, by hand, to an enormous ledger. Then you are given a certificate which simply states that the information on it is a copy of the information that was added to the register. For this reason you can’t use a birth certificate for ID alone and anyone can request a copy of someone else’s birth certificate at any time because the register is a public document.

But will they accept that explanation? Nope. “But, but, but….it says copy and wasn’t signed so it’s faked”. Would the Windsor (or was it Kensington?) District registrar (who swears an oath) not have been a bit concerned at a certificate they know to be fake being published in the press?

I hate the fact that this nonsense has shown up here, I really do. We spout a lot of bull on these threads but we’re not that far gone. Or we weren’t.

R425 has a strange fixation on Trump, yet seems oblivious to the Biden crime family. You know, the ACTUAL criminals. They don't seem very bright and it shows.

Wallis had charm and was a hospitable hostess. She knew her strengths and stuck to them . Didn’t pretend she was charitable or a saint .

The abject stupidity of r444 is astounding. Have you ever given birth dear?? I'll wait.

R444, you claim to be a "gay man" but ONLY post on Harry and Meghan threads. I've yet to come across a single gay man on this site that ONLY posts on these threads. Methinks you are a lying twat.

Is someone on Marie Claire on the Sussexes' payroll?

[Quote]Kate Middleton Was Apparently Starstruck When She Met Actress Meghan Markle for the First Time

[Quote]Prince Harry reveals in his memoir that Kate and Prince William loved the television show Suits, on which Meghan appeared.

Hahahahaha!!

R451 You’ve tried that lame “insult” before. No, I don’t only post on Harry & Meghan threads….on my right is a list of all the threads I’ve posted on recently & about 25% are H&M related. I certainly do enjoy the threads about them though. So what?

Of course I haven’t given birth - presumably you have. Which begs the question…why the fuck are you on a forum for gay men?

And, by the fucking way, nobody needs to have given birth to know you’re talking out of your fat, hag arsehole. Please go away and take your insane, ranting codswallop with you.

Oh, and by the way…calling me a “lying twat” does not deflect from the painfully obvious fact that you cannot counter a single point you’ve been confronted with.

Please go away. Really.

I did hear Kate started a fan club for Megs while she was on SUITS, and she organized a write in campaign to vote for Meghan as Favorite Female TV Star for the People's Choice Awards. She was often heard arguing plot points for the show, whilst at tea with her lady friends.

R446 Haz and Megs never get called on their bullshit. The royals - wisely - never engage and they only talk to friendly media who treat them like victims of some horrific tragedy rather than the privileged, lying twats they are.

Methinks?

Fuck off, Seizurespeare.

[quote]What's also amusing (and I wish someone would ask him about this) is the re-litigation of so many Meghan tabloid stories that have nothing to do with his journey "to the man I've become."

This is what I also picked up on....so much of Harry's book is about rebutting everything put out there re Meghan.

And everything r425 said. All of it.

Oh and Meghan gave birth to her children. Come on.

If she didn't pop 'em herself, how did that little Heddgeyourbets come out looking schedenfruedally like Samantha the II?

Why can't you just call them "Harry" and "Meghan"? Why do you have to give them these cutesy-poo nicknames like "Haz" and "Megs"? That's so... frau-ey of you.

Piss off loser. I can post where I like. You think there aren't numerous straight women on these threads? It has been laid out over and over again how Rachel has not given birth. Of course, you wouldn't know anything about the process to be able to properly comment. One day I will say "I told you so" and laugh. I haven't been wrong about them yet, and I've called her out from day one.

It's one hell of a coincidence that William and Kate are the only British people who've ever watched Suits.

Daily Mail SHOCK: WILLIAM AND KATE LOVED DEAL OR NO DEAL!

^ But only the American version, R463!

lol r463.

r461 you seem adamant so nothing will probably change your mind. I'll grant that its within possibility that Lilibet could have been born via surrogate. They were in Cali (where such things are common and easily done), and Meghan was mostly out of the spotlight during that pregnancy, apart from a few pap shots of her with a large pregnancy belly - which could be fake, a small possibility but I'll grant it. She may not have wanted to risk another miscarriage after the 1st one so maybe went that route.

But her 1st pregnancy was her all the way. She was in public pretty steadily during that time, in the UK where it would be very difficult to hide. Look at her weight and body during the late stages, and after birth - she didn't fake all that mess.

R460 Those are their “cutesy-pop” nicknames for each other, dear. You know the way Harry calls William “Willy” and William calls Harry “Harold”?

Just trying to be respectful! As a devoted fan girl, isn’t that something you ought to know?

One thing to bear in mind about William and Harry's argument after Philip's funeral: it took place less than six weeks after the Oprah interview, in which Harry and Meghan refused to specify who made the infamous comment on Archie's colouring. In doing so, they had publicly put William, his wife, his dad, and almost his entire family under suspicion of being racist. And even after all that, William still told Harry he loved him and wanted him to be happy. It doesn't even seem to have entered Harry's head to be thankful for that.

Well, that Oprah interview was hard to miss, for everybody.

R461 Spoken like a true zealot. Honestly, I’m embarrased for you. But you keep frothing if it makes you happy.

R469, every froth is one less swig of Pepsi, which means one less diabetes-related illness Medicare has to pay for.

Suits wasn't exactly unknown in the UK. It was on in the evening on a fairly big channel It was never must see tv but if you wanted something moderately bad to hate watch midweek it was certainly there.

[quote] r425 has a strange fixation on Trump, yet seems oblivious to the Biden crime family. You know, the ACTUAL criminals. They don't seem very bright and it shows.

r448, Yes, I'll cop to it.

I'm strangely fixated on the fact that a federal US Judge analyzed an affadavit for probable cause that crimes were committed, namely, on the way out the White House door, Trump committed theft of US Classified documents, found probable cause, and granted a warrant to search MAGA-LARDO.

Put up or shut-up, by starting a thread, on your assertion that Biden committed ACTUAL crimes. Go ahead. Show us your evidence.

I'm waiting, Moron.

So he lives in a mansion in Montecito and plays polo at the country club all day. He can fuck right off, nobody wants to hear him bitch and moan about how hard his life is.

What channel was it on R471? I don’t remember that.

Will H&M have a private viewing party this evening’s “60 Minutes” like they claimed they did for the Oprah interview?

r474 Dave. I remember watching it with my uni flatmate and playing a drinking game every time someone slammed a folder down on a desk.

Ah. Thought you were goimg to say C5!

No. Though now you mention it its weird 5 didn't pick it up its about their usual standard. I guess Dave outbid them. Funnily according to Wikipedia it switched to Netflix after Meghan dating Harry became public so they must have upped the price.

Just to be clear, I'm British and I'm not a monarchist but my sympathies are with the royals in all of this. Clearly Harry is mentally ill along with being immature and possessing anger management issues, and added to that he married someone who clearly (purposefully or not) knows how to wind him up. Yes, the Windsors are remote and detached and the do leave family members to figure themselves out, but honestly their family members are really the only people that can (or at least should) be off guard with and Harry has violated that spectacularly. William, IMHO, is the real victim of bullying here. Harry has disclosed very private things e.g. William is cut, that he was insecure about going bald etc. It is the alleged fight after Philip's funeral that makes me feel the most for William. Any rational human being can see this is a big brother watching out for his wayward brother who married the wrong person and this whole saga will likely end in tears if not Harry's demise to be honest. The fight, if Harry had the intelligence to see it, was his brother last attempt to try to make him see the ugly truth.

It's horrible to watch Harry having a mental car crash, he's oblivious because he is so unwell.

Many of us have been there, but luckily didn't have a global platform. A couple of private apologies and it's over.

R469 Sweetie, we've been laughing at you this whole time. Get some help for that rage, eh? Your posting history is one big hate fest. Literally, just hate. No kind comments anywhere, on any thread that I can see. Grow up and get some help. I promise your life will improve and you can get put of your mother's basement. I'll pray for you.

R481 That just doesn’t work. Sorry. I cannot be patronised or demeaned by someone like you. Calling me “sweetie” and trotting out the boring “mother’s basement” tripe makes you sound even less intelligent.

This is DataLounge…it’s not meant to be “kind”. And you’re wrong anyway…but you’re used to that, I’m sure.

Please go away. You just don’t belong here, and neither do your fatuous conspiracy theories.

Oh, and who is “we”? You and your super, secret club?

Good grief. This is why straight women really REALLY shouldn’t be on this site.

Who is the frau who keeps insisting that Meghan didn't give birth? Nobody likes Meghan or Harry here, but that doesn't mean we're conspiracy theorists. I also noticed that the same frau made some disparaging comment about being vaxxed. No surprise there.

I'm biracial and thought that the British media was awful to Markle from the get go. After watching one episode of her Netflix episode it became clear that she is a narcissist. The way she treated her father was despicable too. Yes, he made a mistake by talking to the tabloids. So what? He was so clearly devoted to her.

Her dad was right in his opinion on Harry too. He said Meghan was taking care of a boy child and he was right. I would have respected them if they had left the monarchy and renounced their titles. Instead they want to profit off of tabloid dreck while benefiting from their association. Gross.

R427, I think that Harry has very few friends left. One of the few people willing to publicly associate with him was Princess Eugenie. After that comment about her dad "sexually assaulting a young girl" (read: allegedly had sex with a then-17 year old hooker), I think he'll lose Eugenie as well. Nicely done, moron.

Why bother with moon bump believers when there's still SO MUCH in the memoir? Have we talked about Harry supposedly taking away a package of miscarried fetus from the hospital and burying it under a banyan tree in a hole he dug with his hands?

What about his admission that yes, Meghan did keep freebies (a no no), but she "shared all the freebies she received, clothes and perfumes and make-up, with all the women in the office." Indeed, Meghan is a modern saint: "I never heard her speak a bad word about anybody, or to anybody. She sent out handwritten thank you notes, checked on staff who were ill, sent baskets of food or flowers or goodies to anyone struggling, depressed, off sick."

Or his passive-aggressive description of W&C's expensively furnished apartment, contrasted with their humble, IKEA-lamp cottage?

But it's not all fun gossip; one does wonder how it will all end for Harry. I was moved today by the poignant description of William's desperation at their post-Philip-funeral dust-up, declaring his love for him, vowing on their mother's life while trying to get through to his mentally challenged brother: "We’ve been down this road a hundred times .... You’re delusional, Harry." Only for Harry to claim: "But they were the delusional ones."

Also WHO asks to use someone else's lip gloss? Sorry but that is really classless.

R484 Exactly. One look at Meghan’s fat face pre-Archie and back fat post-Lilibet is all the proof needed that she gave birth o those children.

The late Caroline Flack's agent has criticised Harry for writing about their brief romance in his book. To be fair, I think the agent is overreacting and jumping on the bandwagon. The passages about Caroline sound perfectly respectful to me.

R489 etc. = people who've never been pregnant.

I've thought about Flack a few times in the Harry context. Not because of their fling, but because of how it all ended for her. His family is hopefully getting not only PR advice, but also advice on how to deal with a vulnerable family member who's on a bad trajectory and not getting good (or ignoring) counsel.

The fetus…the banyan tree…digging a hole and burying dead fetus with bare hands.

It’s too much, R487!

Good fir the agent jumping on the bandwagon, whatever that means. Her story is none of Harold's fucking business.

[quote]Also WHO asks to use someone else's lip gloss? Sorry but that is really classless.

If you were on the Titanic and there were no other life jackets, would you not ask another to borrow theirs?

For the love of God, Meghan was about to go on TV! What was she supposed to do? You people are inhuman, and I've given birth, my hip bones have widened like the McDonald's log and when I get distracted while scrapbooking I pee myself a little. How [italic]DARE[/italic] you?

[quote]What about his admission that yes, Meghan did keep freebies (a no no), but she "shared all the freebies she received, clothes and perfumes and make-up, with all the women in the office." Indeed, Meghan is a modern saint: "I never heard her speak a bad word about anybody, or to anybody. She sent out handwritten thank you notes, checked on staff who were ill, sent baskets of food or flowers or goodies to anyone struggling, depressed, off sick.”

This one will be really interesting to watch, because it's so easily disproven. The whole thing. They were fools to go near that. Any NDA would be between the Crown and the party, not the Sussexes so enforcement or remedy if violated doesn't fall to the C U Next Trial twosome. Hard to say but if the friends are threatening to unleash the truth dogs, where does that leave those who couldn't talk back for how many excruciating months.

I wonder if now Harry is finally beginning to understand the value of the despised "little gray men" (or whatever the exact name is), who protect stupid royals from themselves and vet public statements for potential grenades. But, no, that would keep him and Meghan from Standing in Their Truth. They will not be SILENCED! :D

[quote] Have we talked about Harry supposedly taking away a package of miscarried fetus from the hospital and burying it under a banyan tree in a hole he dug with his hands?

Between the prose and the shit he's making up I'm now convinced he was making his notes for this book while watching his Mexican soaps. Least we know what his American hobbies are other than polo are now!

It’s funny how Harry says he made the move to protect his family. Everything is about protecting his family.

So he says he killed 25 of the Taliban cause you know, that’s safe to announce publicly.

Not that respectful, R490 - he quotes one newspaper article which called Caroline Flack “his bit of rough” because she once worked in a factory “or something”.

She later hanged herself.

Hardly respectful of anyone and awful for her family especially as it adds nothing to the narrative apart from allowing Harry to demonstrate that he’s apparently not a snob.

I don't doubt that Meghan Markle gave birth to her children, but I think there is plenty of suspicion that she was enhancing her pregnancy size to appear to be more advanced, more obviously pregnant. She regularly flicked her coats to the side when pregnant with Archie to display her status. It was always strange that she looked to be full term so early on, maybe to confuse the actual due date.

Harry's recount of getting the Queen's permission to marry, in the Telegraph. The Telegraph, Times and DM are all live blogging Harry on ITV with Bradby, which may or may not be watchable with a VPN? I've found ITV a lot easier than BBC. It's 9 pm UK time so 4 pm eastern?

On the day in question, he watched the late Queen drive a Range Rover into the middle of a field to look for dead birds, alone and with no security.

“I tried to engage her in some light chat to loosen her up,” he writes.

“The full seriousness of all this was finally starting to sink in.”

The Duke muses over what would happen if his grandmother said no. Would he dare to disobey her or would he have to end his relationship with Meghan?

“This moment was either the start of my life or the end,” he says. “It would all come down to the words I chose, how I delivered them and how granny heard them.”

With a dead bird in each hand, he chased after the Queen as she approached her vehicle, surrounded by hunting dogs.

“I needed to get to it without one more second of hesitation,” he writes.

“I saw her waiting for me to speak, and not waiting patiently.

“Her expression screamed: ‘Out with it.’”

Agonisingly long pause

He says: “Granny, you already know that I love Meg a lot, and I have decided that I’d like to ask her to marry me, and they’ve told me that… well…. I have to get your authorisation before asking for her hand.”

She replies: “You have to do that?”

“Yes,” he says. “That’s what your people have said and mine too.”

The Duke reveals her expression was impenetrable during an agonisingly long pause.

Eventually, she replies: “Well then I suppose I have to say yes.”

He finally realises that she has given him permission to marry and “splutters” thank you.

He was desperate to hug her, he says, but did not. Instead, he helped her into the vehicle and they made their way back to the rest of the family.

Harry reminds me a bit of Charlie Sheen's Tiger Blood trainwreck interviews but neither of them are #winning

R502, so the Queen didn’t care at all for Meghan.

[quote] “I saw her waiting for me to speak, and not waiting patiently.

[quote] “Her expression screamed: ‘Out with it.’”

Liz dosen't exactly sound that happy about the relationship herself

The question that needs to be put to Harry is "Why should they want you back?" The next is "Why should anyone listen to you about anything?"And finally, "Why should anyone pay your way when you have nothing to offer? "

I laughed when I read that Harry said the Queen liked women's hair styled and minimal makeup. That picture of Meghan next to the Queen with her hair a mess and makeup plastered on probably wasn't winning her over like Meghan thought.

It's clear from that anecdote Elizabeth did not want to give permission for Harry to marry Meghan, but realized it would be pointless at that date to oppose him since he was an adult.

[quote]He was desperate to hug her, he says, but did not. Instead, he helped her into the vehicle and they made their way back to the rest of the family

So Harry knew better than to hug his own grandmother - but Kate's supposed to be all thrilled for this bitchy arrogant woman to pull her in for a big one? Women - most everybody - can pick up on arrogance and narcissism, especially when someone is immediately trying to assert dominance. It's like an instinct. At least I can tell, and many times have immediately recognized that someone was trying to establish the pecking order (over me) right from the start. And if you have manners, you are polite, and deferential even, with someone until you "read the room" - and that goes 100 fold if you're talking about royalty or even the very wealthy.

That hug thing reminds me of Trump and his dominance-demanding hand shakes, where he'd pull men off their feet if he could.

Hasn't anyone wondered why Queen Elizabeth was searching for dead birds? One in each hand? Am I missing something? TIA.

R511 It was a shooting party, you dim cunt.

r511 Sounds like the family had been bird shooting and she'd gone to collect the kill. I wasn't sure about the legality of shooting dogs anymore when I first read it and though he'd dobbed the Queen in for breaking the Hunting Act.

[quote] Hasn't anyone wondered why Queen Elizabeth was searching for dead birds? One in each hand? Am I missing something? TIA.

For gathering them for her Satanic rituals, of course.

The dead birds were for the RF to victimise poor Harry and Meghan yet again, by leaving them in the mailbox accompanied by a mocking note.

I think Harry stole the burying the fetus thing from 'The Help', maybe Meghan wants Viola as the godmother of their next child?

Lol r515!

This book isn't even published in English yet, and it's the gift that keeps on giving. Rebecca English at the Maul has an especially hysterical excerpt, re Harry's first apartment in the 'basement' of Kensington Palace (assigned to him by Charles and "wicked stepmother" Camilla, natch - wait! Charles had control over KP housing assignments? since when - but I digress...).

It was too dark for his liking and the windows were often blocked by non-royal neighbors who parked in front of them. This made Harry MAD! He spoke to the neighbor, a royal courtier, who was so impressed by his kind and generous demeanor he told him to pound sand. Then the man's wife had the temerity to shake out clippings of her hair out her window, after an at-home haircut, which then wafted into Harry's space via said windows and UPSET him! What problems he had - now I see the reasons for all his anger.

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I'd no idea Harry had dated that many older women... Freud really would have a field day with him.

"Mystery of woman in field romp deepens as prince's old flames deny they took his virginity"

The one Dame Agatha forgot to write...

Meghan is older, too, R519 (by 3 years). I think he needs a dominant mom. He stopped growing emotionally at 12.

Actually, those sound like valid complaints. I'd be disgusted, too, if my only sibling were given first-class treatment as the future monarch and I was relegated to a basement apartment where inconsiderate neighbors' cars and hair clippings interfered with my daily life.

I'm still not "Team Harry," though. He's a head case.

[quote] The one Dame Agatha forgot to write...

Never mind, Jilly Cooper did.

FFS r522, that 'basement' apartment is in one of the oldest and most lavish royal estates in Europe. There's nothing at KP that is much less than 'first class' - the entire accommodation is first class.

William by that time had already married Kate and had at least one child. Hence he had larger accommodations, of course. He is also the direct heir, with more staff on hand hence more space needed.

People (and Harry, apparently) forget that William and Kate at one point, very early in their marriage, also lived in tiny unassuming Nott Cott on the KP grounds. That's the cottage Harry lived in when he first hooked up with Meghan, that she found so small and lacking, while William/Kate lived in comparative luxury. William and Kate had been married for 6 years at that time, and had two children.

Yes Harold! Mention it all!

The Bradbury interview seemed tougher (only by comparison.). Anderson's interview was dull but Harry was pretty bad about Camilla.

Harry wasn't even good enough to get the whole 60 Minutes.

The Telegraph: The Duke of Sussex has insisted that he does not believe the Royal family is racist and claimed he had never suggested they were.

Prince Harry told ITV that when he and his wife, Meghan, revealed in their Oprah Winfrey interview that a member of the family had raised concerns about the colour of their unborn son’s skin they were not accusing them of racism.

Asked if he would not consider that “essentially racist,” he replied: “I wouldn't, not having lived within that family.”

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So I guess Klan Granny as an insult just went down in price.

Telegraph:

Prince Harry has been in therapy for years, and Harry: The Interview made one thing clear: it hasn’t solved his anger issues.

“I’m in such a good headspace now. The reality is, I’ve never been happier,” he said at the end, but the programme told a different story. Furious, defensive and just plain sad, it was a difficult watch for those of us who had hoped that life in Montecito might bring Harry the peace he claims to crave.

To all the historic reasons for that anger, Harry can now add Tom Bradby, chosen by the Sussexes as a friendly face (it was Bradby who spoke to Meghan on the couple’s South Africa tour and asked her, kindly, if she was doing OK). Harry appeared to have turned up for this interview in the belief that Bradby would merely be a conduit for his grievances, a way to deliver them unfiltered to a British television audience.

But Bradby came with a journalist’s agenda and, politely, began to question what he was hearing. With every suggestion he made - that the Royal family will be reeling from the disclosures of their private conversations in Harry’s memoir, that Harry hadn’t so much burned his bridges as “taken a flamethrower to them” - the interview became testier. Harry’s face grew pinker.

He seemed incredulous that someone was challenging his narrative. Bradby ventured that William might view the breakdown in the sibling relationship differently - “I think he would say he found you emotional, defensive, he couldn’t get through to you…” Harry glared at Bradby. “It’s quite a list of assumptions you’re making,” he seethed.

So in terms of scoops the interview had little to recommend it, because every bit of the book had been done to death. As a psychological study, though, it was grimly fascinating. Nothing is Harry’s fault, and almost everything can be blamed on the press. He mentioned the tabloids more times than I could count, with a relentlessness that bordered on the obsessive.

Some of it made no sense, particularly on the subject of race. Meghan and Harry are fans of Lady Susan Hussey, and think the press accused her of being racist? The press made up the accusations that the Royal family was racist, when the couple were actually making a very different allegation about unconscious bias?

It was a strong interview but unpleasant to watch. Bradby looked exhausted by the end. Although I do suspect that, after this interview, he will be back on the Buckingham Palace Christmas card list.

"Meghan and I have continued to say that we will openly apologize for anything that we did wrong, but every time we ask that question, no one's telling us the specifics or anything. "

FFS.

Do they READ their media coverage? Of course they do, since they obsessively complain about it all the time. That would be a good place to start.

Didn't William tell Harry that he found Meghan rude and abrasive? There's a start. Didn't they tell H&M at some kind of family meeting that they didn't appreciate Meghan telling Kate she had "baby brain" or something similar. There's example #2.

R531, then there's that whole bullying report. That was probably pretty specific.

"but every time we ask that question, no one's telling us the specifics or anything".

Don't rudely fuck with me and my vacation schedule when you want to take out a tiara from the vaults. Example #3 - Angela Kelly

Don't yell at my chefs and tell them you taste egg in a dish when clearly told there isn't any - #4, QEII (dearly departed)

Don't yell at my staff and demand unreasonable treatment from them that I would never ask them myself - #5, Kate Princess of Wales (Duchess of Cambridge at the time)

"but every time we ask that question, no one's telling us the specifics or anything".

Don't sabotage my long-awaited public wedding with your pregnancy announcements - #6, Princess Eugenie

Don't scream at me and blame me for all of your tense fuck-ups in the run up to your wedding - #7, Melissa Toubati, former PA

Don't ever call me fat at your creepy bridesmaid dress fittings - #8, Princess Charlotte (ok, made that one up kind of)

...you all get the point.

Don't preach green from the private jet lounge.

[quote] It would be great if it were Miriam Margolyes [R22]. Had that been the case, Miriam would have told the story herself by now.

Miriam is a big ol dyke, hon.

Don't write tacky memoirs in the guise of a biography/hagiography, written by your bootlicking pals. Then claim to hate others who also try to micromanage their image and press profile - everyone in the world, after reading Finding Freebies by Omid & Co.

[quote]but every time we ask that question, no one’s telling us the specifics or anything

I thought you knew before

But if you don’t then now you know!

Let's discuss this "baby brain" fight that left Kate white knuckling it --literally, according to Harry as she was clutching the leather chair so tightly her knuckles were white--through a massive blow up.

In each of these battles, Harry positions himself and Meghan as being hapless victims of the evil William and Kate. They reach out the olive branch time and again only to have William snatch it and lash Harry across the face. W/K are so super sensitive that the slightest misstep will send them ripping off necklaces, breaking dog dishes and hoarding lip gloss. When all Meghan wants is a hug!

At the now famous "baby brain" confab at W/K's palatial palace at Kensington (with Meghan uttering "wow, wow" as she saw non-Ikea furnishings for the first time in her life), W/K invited H/M over (for the first time? note the "wow wow" remarks from Meghan above) to hash out the pre-wedding tensions.

Harry provides very sketchy details on how the evening went from tea to tantrums--only that it was W/K's fault. They were having a lovely chat when free-spirited, torn jeans-wearing, renowned hugger Meghan merrily remarked that Kate had baby brain because she had forgotten something. (All details of what was forgotten and why Kate is such a psycho that she clawed into her own magnificent club chair that certainly did not come from Ikea are conveniently missing.)

Kate, full of hormones and jealous rage that Meghan is so far superior at absolutely everything ("I had to worry about them hounding her for an autograph" says Harry), lashed out at the inappropriateness of Meghan cuddling up to her hormones and William jammed a finger in Meghan's face and called her a bitch or other horrible words.

Then they all got up, hugged, and H/M left.

Absolutely none of this makes sense....unless you fill in the blanks that a.) the tensions post-wedding were still unresolved and bubbling at a simmer at the start of this evening; b.) W/K were tightly wound, just hoping to get through the evening without a murder; c.) H/M came in looking for a fight. One wrong word, which Meghan happily provided, and the powder keg blew.

Look, I'm sure William and Kate are complete assholes. But they seem to know how to behave in public and are pretty impressive at never making a public embarrassment of themselves. Plus their kids are cute and they seem like a happy family.

On the other hand, Harry and Meghan truly are ..... crazy? deluded? grasping grifters? always embarrassing themselves publicly?

H/M have some legit gripes buried in the mountain of petty grievances. But the disingenuousness of their narrative--they are always innocent victims and have done nothing--NOTHING--to instigate any backlash--makes it impossible to believe a goddamn thing they say.

I hope the palace unleashes the dogs (aka "palace sources") and every petty piece of dirt is revealed about these two.

Up until this week, I've been grateful to these nitwits for the endless entertainment during the pandemic. But I think we've had all the fun we're going to have until the divorce.

Frankly, I think the entire book could be boiled down to one episode: When Harry trots after his 90+ year old grandmother into a field as she fetches dead birds, and then timidly asks if he can marry Meghan. The queen in no hurry to answer--even with dead birds in hand--makes him sweat before finally saying "well, I suppose I have to say yes." Then climbs into her Range Rover without giving him a hug--because we know what a hug-hating family they are--and not even congratulates him.

We could reduce the book from 400 pages to just this. Tells you everything you need to know about the esteem in which Harry is held and his life to this point.

Still can not believe that HM The Queen is dead.

I was in Cyprus when it happened and felt detached. At least she doesn't have to listen to these moaning twats

It's a total blessing that the poor Queen didn't live to have to see this nightmare unfold. It would have totally finished her off, without question.

Now leading cunt Omit Scobie is being interviewed on the TV, saying Kate didn't do enough to support Meg after Merchie was born.

r545 How the hell would he know that unless he is being briefed behind the scenes by Meghan? He writes for the media ,a journalist for Yahoo so why doesnt Harry have the same disdain for him as he also used to write for Gossip magazine Heat. Why is Meghan briefing a journalist fine but anybody else doing it is awful and dangerous??

Kate had three children of her own at that point (four, if you count her hubs) - how the F would she have the time or inclination to be helping Meghan with her baby? The Sussexes at that point lived at Windsor, and Kate in London at KP. Was she supposed to helicopter over to Frog Cott every day? She wasn't her personal nanny or minder.

Where was Harry? It was his kid. Playing polo or video games, apparently.

[quote] Omit Scobie is being interviewed on the TV, saying Kate didn't do enough to support Meg after Merchie was born.

Why did Kate need to “support” her? Isn’t that her husband’s job?

I can't stand any of these people. The only royals I remotely like/liked are the Queen, Anne, George and Charlotte. Anne's kids seem okay and Edward and Sophie seem relatively normal too.

The rest of them - Charles, Camilla, Will, Kate, Harry and Meghan bore me at best. I truly wish they'd all fuck off and shut up. Same goes for the fans of either side. It's fucking ridiculous to see any "commoner" giving a crap about Will/Harry/Kate/Meghan and their drama. None of them, repeat none of them would do anything for anyone and have more money than most will ever earn in a lifetime.

My suspicion is that Meghan wanted to position herself as Catherine's frenemy--in this case, meaning that she would be close enough to coattail on Kate's high status and popularity *and* show her up "inadvertently" at every possible turn. She wanted to be best girlfriends with one of the most important non-governmental figures in Britain, but with her special Hollywood glamour making her even better than the original! Unfortunately, Meghan isn't very likable, Kate found her off-putting and difficult, and her attempts to forge an instant intimacy backfired. I'm sure that's what she blames the PoW for--her failure to social-climb into position as the New Princess of Hearts.

Having said that, I've been reading comments on some online articles on Harry's book, and they sure do have a lot of stans still who really believe the Sussexes' side of things, so who knows?

Perhaps some of you have forgotten the "Kate didn't offer me a ride" blind item that was the very first "shot across the bow" by M attacking Kate.

As I recall, this titbit popped up (on a gossip site run by one of M's close friends) before Harry and his (then) girlfriend were engaged. They were, I think, living in Nottingham Cottage.

I remember reading this and being surprised at such an item and then also reading later that this kind of thing (leaks to gossip sites regarding the RF) were unheard of before this happened.

After the item appeared, there were those who, noticing how close Nottingham Cottage was to the place where the (then) Cambridges' cars were garaged (even providing a map of Kensington Palace) , wondered if Harry's girlfriend had been watching for a chance to curry favor with Harry's sister-in-law and failing, took her revenge by leaking the tale to her gossip site pal.

Given how early in the game this event took place, I have been of the opinion that M had it in for Kate all along.

Add to that M's rude interruption of Kate when Kate started to speak at that "Fab Four" stage appearance, I remain convinced that Kate knew early on that M was a "mean girl".

Having been bullied herself while a girl at school, Kate would have known a mean girl when she encountered her.

All that "she didn't hug me" and lip gloss borrowing was just more of the same.

Very obvious behavior.

Oh, and I also believe that she bullied Charlotte in the lead up to the wedding and M is not smart enough to realize that THAT was a huge mistake. Charlotte will only get stronger and more powerful and M will only get older. And children don't ever forget those that bully them or those who make their mother cry.

I'm not familiar with the "Fab Four" stage appearance, R551. What was that? Thanks.

According to lore, which I couldn't believe at the time but do now, the "Kate wouldn't give me a ride" story was enhanced by Mrs. Harold tipping off the paps to photograph the two BFFs together as they drove away. Would you call that Briefing the Press?

R552, the "Fab Four" appearance was, I believe the first time they all talked to the press about their plans for future endeavors together.

Kate was pregnant at the time, wearing a blue dress. So, it must have been before the wedding.

There should be video somewhere, perhaps of the whole thing, but at one point they were asked if they ever disagreed about the approach they would take and all agreed there was plenty of disagreement.

Harry: “we’re stuck together for the rest of our lives”

Comment from Twitter:

Prince Harry has backtracked on everything I thought he was doing:

Make out that The Royal Family are racist: He says they aren’t

Bring an end to the monarchy: He believes in it still

Would never be a working royal again: Says he would for the commonwealth if Charles asked

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The anti-monarchy people clung to Harry, but he was never that at all. Meghan isn't either. They wouldn't want all their titles and perks if they were. That doesn't surprised me at all. The two just want to be as important as William and Catherine will accept nothing less than that.

The more he talk the more he makes it obvious he's got a lot more issues with his brother (and poor Camilla who has suffered enough) than his father. Gonna be rough in the future for him since I don't see William being as forgiving as Charles and George barely knows who he is.

I keep hearing that young people in the US still support H&M, but the young people I hear from on social media supported them as anti-monarchists, social justice activists, anti-racists (based on identity politics, the Oprah interview, their own biases). After all their recent media blitz, none of that remains.

I suppose there will be a last bastion of Harry fans who believe his anti-media/anti-family crusade, but I'd liken them to Trump or QAnon folks.

From royal biographer Robert Hardman, the question these interviewers should be asking Harry is, “Why would they want you back?”

Young people are watching and making TikTok videos. The majority don't give a shit about RF drama

I'm still Team harry. I don't care what all of you think.

Then you're part of the problem, r561, because thinking in terms of "Team Harry" or "Team William" is simplistic and ignores the real issues at play. I presume Team Harry people side with him because they think he's fighting racism or will blow open what they believe is an old, decrepit institution - that is naive in the extreme, as his book and interviews show.

This saga is about a family and one member of it is not in the best of mental health. He is being exploited by the new people around him. No doubt, one day he will fall out with them (he already has with many of the peripheral figures) and reconcile with his family, who will always welcome, love and support him.

It's really something that so many DL posters are anti-Harry when no gays will dare to condemn his mother.

Harry and Diana are cut from the same cloth—they work from the heart—and if Diana had lived, she'd have long ago spoken about what Harry is discussing now.

BS, r563. She would never endanger the reign of her eldest son.

And Harry doesn't have a heart. He works from his bank account and talks about whatever his wife tells him to.

[quote] Harry and Diana are cut from the same cloth—they work from the heart—and if Diana had lived, she'd have long ago spoken about what Harry is discussing now.

This is nonsense. Diana first and foremost was a daughter of the aristocracy. There is no way she would have stood by while Harry denigrated William in the press. She never once even came close to criticising the monarchy as an institution, because she believed in it, and saw it as her duty to raise her children with the knowledge and skills to maintain it. Fleeing to America and discussing bald spots and circumcision was not in the boys’ futures as long as she was alive.

I’d love to have seen Harry and Meghan pull half the shit they have in a world with Diana still in it. Despite her many fine and inspirational qualities, she herself was extremely open to using the press to brief against friends and family (mainly Charles, but many others who she took a dislike to). Harry’s whingeing to the press while accepting media millions would have baffled her.

She was also extremely emotionally manipulative. She would have seen Meghan for who she is right from the start. In fact, I doubt there would even have been an engagement, never mind a wedding.

He has zero sense of humor. Neither does she. They are every person you’ve ever avoided being cornered with at a party.

Harry keeps repeating that he was 12 years old when Diana died, when in fact he was two weeks shy of his 13th birthday.

The bridge back is well and truly burnt to a crisp. I’m ambivalent about all these people, but I understand why Harry is trying to quickly monetise all this before the next generation comes of age, and people lose interest in him. It’s well played in this respect. Hope they invest their money well.

The racial issues are considerable in several ways, and it’s more about international diplomacy more than opinion within just the UK. Many countries in the Caribbean are considering leaving the Realm and becoming full republics. Barbados just left last year. The majority of the Commonwealth’s population is non-white. Ostracising H&M isn’t good optics and confirms people’s worst suspicions. The RF isn’t going to retaliate in any way against Harry and Meghan because of this. It’s just going to be silence and a multitude of small slights. No titles will be taken.

that means 12 yo...

are you dense?

R567 perfectly embodies every complaint leveled by Harry's critics.

R568, as a Brit who rolls my eyes at the level of shit spouted about the royal family (and dual national of a Commonwealth country that does not have the British monarch as head of state), I would love for all the Commonwealth countries that have the British monarch as their head of state to switch to a ceremonial presidency. They will still remain part of the Commonwealth, however, as Barbados has and my other country of citizenship has.

Also, the Commonwealth is really not that important.

R569, Someone not so ignorant would see how it favors Harry’s narrative to keep repeating 12, rather than reveal that he would have turned 13 in a matter of days.

A few young sjw types r458. Most young people here don't pay them any attention. They're very much laughingstocks here.

[quote] The racial issues are considerable in several ways, and it’s more about international diplomacy more than opinion within just the UK. Many countries in the Caribbean are considering leaving the Realm and becoming full republics.

Honestly, it might be a little ungracious to say it out loud, but I feel confident in saying that 99.99% of Brits couldn’t give the tiniest shit whether a Carribean island is a Republic5 or a Realm. It’s entirely their own affairs, and most Brits couldn’t even tell you which islands have retained the Crown anyway.

[quote] The RF isn’t going to retaliate in any way against Harry and Meghan because of this.

Wrong. The RF isn’t going to retaliate because they have worked out that the blandest, most anodyne response (“Recollections may vary”) starves Harry and Meghan of the fuel they need for their sense of victimhood. Why would the RF give them any new material?

And, I suspect Charles also knows that Harry is emotionally fragile, and wouldn’t intentionally try to break him.

It's so easy to detect which threads are being overrun by trolls.

Particularly anything having to do with Meghan and Harry — they're totally humorless in their analysis, and breathless and excessive in their observations of every little thing. No perspective and most of all no wit.

DL used to have some semblance of wit.

How exactly did the UK press endanger the Harkles' lives? Even when they had moved to the US?

These two give a solid, well-founded analysis of the Brady interview and the whole mess--the sad fact of Harry's mental instability and the outrageous fact of H&M being coy with racism allegations. The woman reads out the Oprah transcript, and the man picks up on it again. Good morning-show journalism.

(I think this is the show blowhard Piers Morgan had to leave. Good riddance.)

R575 = celebrity fucker

R575 Anyone who dares to have an opinion that differs from your own is a “troll”? How arrogant. For the life of me I see no instruction anywhere that insists that you contribute to, or even read, any thread which doesn’t interest you. So, maybe, fuck off? If only all of life’s little irritations were so easily solved, eh?

R574 Exactly. I’m British and wouldn’t be able to list the countries with whom I share a King. Barbados becoming a republic almost completely passed me by. No one really cares. But it cannot be stressed enough that ALL of these overseas territories have voluntarily chosen to maintain that connection and while they may not be republics they are all independent states with a democratically elected government. They are not owned by Britain who benefits neither directly nor indirectly from performing head of state duties for them. If anything, it’s costly and time consuming but the Queen’s (and now King’s) view is that s/he will serve those who want him/her to. That’s it.

R571 The Commonwealth is “not important” to who? You? OK, but you get to speak for everyone, do you? The commonwealth has grown from 7 member states to 54, none of whom want to leave. One of the few that did - Zimbabwe - now wants back in. There’s currently quite a hefty list of countries who want to join. It’s a hard thing to define, certainly, but there are benefits to being part of the Commonwealth and there always have been. How easy for a smug Brit in a politically safe and (generally speaking) prosperous country to proclaim that the Commonwealth is “not important”, but maybe have a discussion with a citizen of Burundi - a nation that wants to join - and sneeringly tell them that it’s “not important”. I think they’d disagree.

No r579, the Commonwealth isn't that important - and you yourself agree with that statement by saying that as a Brit you don't care that all these countries abroad share a king with you. There are, of course, Commonwealth countries that don't have the British monarch as their head of state, and it isn't a defining criterion, but all those that do are part of the Commonwealth and it is indeed nonsense.

I already said that, like many Britons, I am also from a Commonwealth country myself. The Commonwealth isn't as important as all the commentators who say "after all these shocking revelations from Harry and Meghan, the royal family is at real risk of losing the Commonwealth!". It's a nice organisation that may give a country like Burundi and South Sudan a network they can develop connections through, but it's hardly vital. I suspect being a member of the African Development Bank or the WTO is more important for Burundi. The Commonwealth is at best a cultural organisation. It has no political weight or economic dimension.

R580 As you perfectly well know the Commonwealth & the overseas territories that share our HoS are not the same thing at all, except that there’s some overlap, obviously. Me not knowing off the top of my head exactly who we share a King with is irrelevant to whether or not the Commonwealth of Nations is an important institution in the world at large.

It’s not for you, me or (probably) most of our compatriots but there are very clear and undeniable benefits for other emerging nations…which is the point of the Commonwealth. If you are a small nation being part of a “club” with other more established states, ones that you meet with on an equal footing, has to be a good thing. The problem is most of the actual benefits are not things that you or I care about, because we’re privileged enough not to need to.

One that springs to mind - and it’s a small example - is that if you’re a citizen of a Commonwealth nation and you get stuck abroad you are entitled to ask the British embassy or consulate for help - hugely important if your own nation doesn’t have a diplomatic posting there. I don’t benefit from this as I’m British so I can automatically seek that help, but extending it out to other member states is sometimes invaluable.

For somewhere like Burundi, the access to other world leaders in order to strengthen education or trading links, to seek support when needed, to maybe negotiate special visa terms (as some member states have) is obviously beneficial…and might be extremely important. Who are you to say it isn’t?

It’s also worth a mention that “the” Commonwealth is not the only one that exists…France has one too, set up for the same reason & performing the same kind of function, so the idea itself is not completely pointless.

Do I think the world would collapse tomorrow without the Commonwealth? No…..but forming a bond of friendship with other nations based on shared ideals and ambitions is hardly “unimportant”. It’s actually a measure of your privilege that you can’t see the benefit of that because you are not a citizen of an emerging country.

Though Harry and his wife may think and act like they are twenty year olds, they are fast on middle age. Anyone under 30 sees the two as old and meaningless.

R577

Can't access your video.

It's interesting how quiet the diabetics from elsewhere are... usually they're in here screaming Klan Granny at the drop of a hat. Now Harry's said the royal family aren't racists and generally contradicted himself in all things, they must feel like they're back in school struggling with math again.

Harry told Anderson that the RF mentioned four things about Meghan.

1. American 2. Actress 3. Divorced 4. Biracial

Which of those four are untrue?

I know it's horrible of me but I sort of want this entitled twat to blow his brains out or do like the crown prince in Nepal did and take some family members out with him.

R583, that's strange, don't know why it would be geo-blocked.

The title is "Prince Harry Once Viewed The Queen Consort As 'The Villain' | Good Morning Britain". Uploaded to YouTube today.

R581, the Commonwealth is really not that important as part of what the royal family is about. If the Commonwealth disappeared tomorrow, it wouldn't make any difference to the function of the royal family in the UK. Yes, the royals may be sad, but the Commonwealth has been moving away from an Anglo focus for a while now anyway and the head of the Commonwealth is no longer automatically considered to be the British head of state. In any case, I didn't say the Commonwealth was unimportant, I said it was not that important, specifically in the context of Americans who think that the royal family is on the way out because it's allegedly losing the Commonwealth.

I can assure you, as someone, like many in the UK, from a Commonwealth country background, the Commonwealth barely figures in the daily lives of these countries. A much bigger part of the political/cultural identity is taken up by celebrating independence from Britain.

[quote]This is nonsense. Diana first and foremost was a daughter of the aristocracy. There is no way she would have stood by while Harry denigrated William in the press. She never once even came close to criticising the monarchy as an institution, because she believed in it, and saw it as her duty to raise her children with the knowledge and skills to maintain it. Fleeing to America and discussing bald spots and circumcision was not in the boys’ futures as long as she was alive.

If Diana were still alive none of this would be happening. And if it did, she would beat Harry's ass blue, she'd be livid and tear a strip off as they say. She was ardently pro-monarchy and very protective of William's role as future King. She'd never stand for one minute of this pathetic, narcissistic whinefest.

R588 Right….but independence from Britain only applies to those nations that still share our head of state, which is only 15 out of 57. Most of them are not (yet) making any moves towards becoming a republic and when they do, they’ll almost certainly still be part of the CW. So I really don’t understand what point you’re trying to make.

I think the Commonwealth is hugely important to the BRF…the Queen considered it her proudest and most important achievement. And, don’t forget, Prince - now King - Charles was voted in by the member states as the new leader so I see no evidence that they are moving away from an Anglo focus. When they do, I think that’ll be a hugely important moment. There’s no reason at all why the leader has to be British.

I totally agree that for most individuals in all of the countries (including ours) fthe Commonwealth isn’t exactly a daily topic of discussion, nor do I think any citizen of Burundi is thinking how much better life would be if they could only be a member state - but for their government it’s important enough for them to be seeking membership.

The CW is the ultimate in soft diplomacy….that’s the point. And it works 🤷‍♂️

He is all over the place r556. He also told Tom Bradby that he and Meghan have no intention of giving up their titles, after all this! Even after he sternly said he was permanently staying in the US, and saw no road back to working as a royal in the UK. "What difference would that make" he told Anderson Cooper.

Well, to start, it might make a teeny difference in your image and respect people might have for you. You rail against the royal family and their way of doing things, but hang onto the titles even though you live in America, where they aren't recognized or valued. Is anyone advising him?

And he can kiss the hope of ANY titles for his children goodbye, firmly.

Meghan and Doria r586. I want him to take them out first.

R589 As a woman who knows a bit about how different types of women operate, here's my 2 cents on what would happen is Diana was still alive (based on William and Harry marrying the same women--not a sure bet if Diana had survived):

1. She would have been threatened by Kate and Kate's stable family and caused multiple dustups in the lead up to a marriage. Diana was borderline: any hint of stability/happiness was a threat to her own. 2. However, Kate would roll over and show her soft underbelly and her savvy mom would have mothered Diana, ultimately winning Diana over. Nothing Diana loved more than a.) someone vulnerable needing her; b.) the comforts of a maternal figure. 3. Because Kate would allow Diana to assume the primary-woman-in-William's-life-role and give her full access to the grandkids, the relationship would run smoothly. 4. Enter Meghan! 5. Diana might--at first--be won over by Meghan's manipulative kiss-assery. Meghan is nothing but a canny ass kisser, which wins her early--but not long-lasting favor. She is never able to maintain her genuflecting for long before forcing the spotlight back in her direction. 6. We quickly enter a battle between borderlines. Meghan might have some success convincing Diana to gang up against secure Kate. But they'd quickly turn on each other over control of Harry. 7. A petty battle Royale would ensue--scorching earth across the tabloids. 8. Diana would win. Meghan would be destroyed. Harry would be left in the fetal position.

Oh, should add…all of those overseas territories are already “independent” of Britain. This is the big mistake people keep making - we don’t own them or play any role in their democracy at all. Do you think the mighty Canada or equally mighty Austraila would stand for any such arrangement? There is a direct and measurable benefit from having a HoS distinct from your government (as opposed to a president who fulfills both roles) & many nations were content to have the famous, trusted and respected QE2 filling those shoes. It was/is convenient and useful - Canada has said as much recently.

And as far as America is concerned, most have no earthly idea what the Commonwealth is and genuinely think it’s the oppressive dregs of Empire. These threads show that, so…meh.

Now now, r592, that isn't too kosher. Let's not go all Jeremy Clarkson round here. No need for violent talk, it's only a bunch of royals (and celeb-adjacent royals) bickering with each other.

How ridiculous r593. I'm sorry, but seriously!

[QUOTE] I suppose there will be a last bastion of Harry fans who believe his anti-media/anti-family crusade, but I'd liken them to Trump or QAnon folks.

Stupid comment of the day. Yes, because Harry fans are terrorists who are destroying democracy 🙄🙄🙄.

I think the comment comparing pro-Harry people was meant to compare them to pro-Trump or QAnon levels of delusion, and not their terrorist tendencies per se.

[quote]but independence from Britain only applies to those nations that still share our head of state

R590, have you heard of this big country called India, which was famously part of the British Empire, famously won independence from Britain, is now a republic with a ceremonial president as head of state, and is today a member of the Commonwealth? Most countries of the Commonwealth were formerly part of the British Empire but do not have the British monarch as head of state. The ones that do - aside from the Anglo countries of Canada, New Zealand and Australia - are small, island nations. The big countries of Africa and Asia that were once part of the British Empire do not have the British monarch as their head of state.

Canada, New Zealand and Australia are more complex situations with strong republican movements. The reason why they still retain the British monarch as their head of state is because getting rid of the monarch will only open up a huge can of worms for them. Do you really believe that multicultural (and multilingual) Canadians and Australians are delighted to have a Governor General representing a monarch in another continent as the embodiment of their state?

The royal family may care for the Commonwealth, but in terms of the function and status of the royal family, the Commonwealth doesn't mean much.

He's quite ugly now, outside and in.

Here's a 3....

Yep, R598. On a millennial lefty forum where the majority have no use for Harry and little use for Meghan, I saw yesterday one woman posting all kinds of wild stuff obviously from a rabbit hole of delusion, e.g., H&M tried to give up their titles but weren't allowed to because the royal family thinks it would make the family look bad if H&M lost their titles while Andrew still had his.