Hello and thank you for being a DL contributor. We are changing the login scheme for contributors for simpler login and to better support using multiple devices. Please click here to update your account with a username and password.

Hello. Some features on this site require registration. Please click here to register for free.

Hello and thank you for registering. Please complete the process by verifying your email address. If you can't find the email you can resend it here.

Hello. Some features on this site require a subscription. Please click here to get full access and no ads for $1.99 or less per month.

Can we talk about how straight women deal with bisexual men?

I find it interesting how women deal with bisexual men or men that have been with trans women. They will literally write dissertations about how they will not have any form of relations with these men. They’re even blunt about not wanting to be with trans men. The fun thing is that bisexual men will throw gay men under the bus to have a chance with straight. They’ll mention that vaginal sex is better anal with another men.

This situation paints a situation where homosexuality or gay men are second to heterosexuality. Like gay men are the rejects that have to take in bisexuals and other queer folks since heterosexual people don’t want to associate with them. Why can’t gay men have the same power or privilege to exclude people? Straight women and men get away with it. Why can’t we?

by Anonymousreply 298June 15, 2024 6:12 AM

We don't care about bi men. Gross.

by Anonymousreply 1December 26, 2022 6:50 AM

I was crazy for this beautiful girl a few years ago. We messed around and dated up to a point that she was about to meet my parents. Told her I was bi but she didn’t mind until she found out I actually had an ex-bf before her. She then ghosted me and blocked me on IG and Snap. I was shocked because she was actually a kind person.

by Anonymousreply 2December 26, 2022 7:09 AM

99% of women have no idea they're dealing with a bisexual man.

by Anonymousreply 3December 26, 2022 7:13 AM

[quote] This situation paints a situation where homosexuality or gay men are second to heterosexuality.

Because you can't procreate.

by Anonymousreply 4December 26, 2022 7:15 AM

They're open to bisexual men when they're older and have fewer options.

by Anonymousreply 5December 26, 2022 7:35 AM

Their ignorance in regards to male bisexuality (and male sexuality in general) leads to most of their problems.

by Anonymousreply 6December 26, 2022 7:37 AM

Women are smarter than you give them credit for. They know they can't compete with dick if that's what the guy really wants.

by Anonymousreply 7December 26, 2022 8:10 AM

R7 To counter your point, us bi guys want both. Why is there a need to compete?

by Anonymousreply 8December 26, 2022 8:19 AM

R8, I don't think anybody here wants to compete with straight women or bi men?

We just don't want to be inundated with female nudity, sexuality, etc.

That seems to be a very difficult concept for bisexual men to understand for some strange reason?

by Anonymousreply 9December 26, 2022 8:26 AM

I’d say r7 is correct. Though, to put it in a nicer way, It’s an urge/desire that a woman knows she can’t ever meet. It’s an itch she knows she can never scratch. Compete with another woman? Sure, there’s a fighting chance with that. But to compete with a guy, if she wants a monogamous relationship, is going to be hard when he suddenly misses having sex with a man . No one wants to put their heart into something and then wake up one morning to be suddenly told “I really miss sex with a man now”. So, it’s a higher risk situation for any woman who wants to settle into a longer term monogamous situation. I don’t think you can really blame someone for that.

by Anonymousreply 10December 26, 2022 8:27 AM

The fact that you don’t get why r8, and maybe you’re the OP, shows an interesting lack of empathy. Because of that more than anything else you might struggle managing a healthy relationship with a female that you sound like you desire as a bi male.

by Anonymousreply 11December 26, 2022 8:30 AM

R11 I’m not OP but I’m R2. I’m coming from a POV of having been dumped by a girl I dated just bc I had an ex-bf prior.

by Anonymousreply 12December 26, 2022 8:35 AM

What R7 said. Straight women ultimately consider bi men to be gay. And they don’t want to be stepping stones on a bi man’s journey to eventually coming out as gay (or staying closeted and cheating on them with men). It’s a waste of their time.

But this is probably a generational thing. Aren’t all the high school kids today sexually fluid and/or “queer?”

Perhaps the next crop of fraus won’t give a shit.

by Anonymousreply 13December 26, 2022 8:50 AM

Not all or even a majority r13. It’s just trendy right now among them. Eventually the “straight women” will settle out. Maybe a few more would be open a bi guy until they do the math you outlined, and noted in r10

by Anonymousreply 14December 26, 2022 8:59 AM

gay men don't care if a man is bi (at least for sex)

they're not as hung up on the gold star as lesbians are...

being more comfortable with their sexuality, aware of their bodies and attractions than trying to make a political statement. . .

despite that rather 'loud' crowd here that desperately wants gay men to hate men and identify themselves with women.

by Anonymousreply 15December 26, 2022 9:05 AM

^Wasn’t the question about how straight women deal with bi men though? Answering that doesn’t equate to being political or against gay men at all. Nor is it ‘political.’

by Anonymousreply 16December 26, 2022 9:11 AM

A female friend told me that, besides not wanting to get monkeypox, she could never truly believe that bi guy is really into her and not trying to convince himself and others that he is "normal".

by Anonymousreply 17December 26, 2022 9:12 AM

[quote]So, it’s a higher risk situation for any woman who wants to settle into a longer term monogamous situation. I don’t think you can really blame someone for that.

It's the same as gay men's lament about bi men and straight women - if that's what they want, then you can't compete. Plus sex, on every level, is just a bigger risk for straight women period. There's no point in sinking their resources into something with so many strikes against it from the outset.

[quote]A female friend told me that, besides not wanting to get monkeypox

I mean, you can laugh at this, but it's the truth: we all know who spread monkeypox and why it became a thing. Yeah, there are horndog, community dick straight men, but even they aren't generally indulging in the kinds of sex piggery common to the average DLer. Most straight women want nothing of that side of life coming into contact with their genitals.

by Anonymousreply 18December 26, 2022 9:34 AM

Bisexual men are gross and a walking stds of all sorts. This straight female want nothing to do with them.

by Anonymousreply 19December 26, 2022 9:48 AM

Straight female here. It would depend on the situation but I would in no way write out being with a bisexual man or a man that has slept with other men. Not that anyone here probably cares.

by Anonymousreply 20December 26, 2022 9:54 AM

It would depend on the guy. Many guys I know who have claimed to be bi are bipolar too. Chaotic, unstable, etc.

by Anonymousreply 21December 26, 2022 10:25 AM

R20 I wish the girl I dated was open-minded like you.

by Anonymousreply 22December 26, 2022 10:32 AM

Straight women are generally turned off by homosexuality. If they weren't then they'd be gay or bi themselves. They don't want a man who has sex that turns her off. Even if it was in the past. That will always be on her mind.

As we all know who you have sex with, how you have sex is natural. What turns each person on or off is natural. Why is this so hard to understand?

by Anonymousreply 23December 26, 2022 11:00 AM

I think another factor is that many women are wired in a way to consider the longterm success of a relationship and whether it’s worth investing their time. Bi men rarely seem like serious options because the underlying assumption is that they will eventually want dick.

Sure - there are open minded straight women like r20 - but I would guess she’s the exception. I’ve heard frau friends bitch about dating men for years and years and none of them have ever entertained an openly bi man. It would be a nonstarter.

Sorry OP. Maybe you’ll find a hottie like r20.

by Anonymousreply 24December 26, 2022 1:06 PM

R20 had David Bowie in mind. Of course that rich and famous bisexuals don't lack the oppurtinites. But a bisexual average joe wouldn't be as embraced.

by Anonymousreply 25December 26, 2022 1:16 PM

R25 as a straight woman I wouldn't be involve sexually with a famous bisexual man. It is absolutely a deal breaker. I like my man heterosexual.

by Anonymousreply 26December 26, 2022 1:27 PM

Subconsciously they view it as a weakness/deviation from masculinity so they're naturally disgusted or enraged. They feel like they got "tricked" by someone who wasn't a real man.

by Anonymousreply 27December 26, 2022 1:31 PM

"I just can't respect a man who's been with another man sexually" said the woman who paid cold, hard cash to have three of her own babies snuffed out through abortion. My eyes are still stuck up in tneir sockets from rolling them so hard!

by Anonymousreply 28December 26, 2022 1:37 PM

Bi men are one reason women were struck with HIV; if a woman wasn’t an IV drug user, she didn’t need to consider bisexual men.

by Anonymousreply 29December 26, 2022 2:56 PM

^she didn’t need to consider HIV; bisexual men brought it across to straight women who didn’t know their partner was bisexual or IV drug user women who were prostitutes passed it to straight John’s, who then passed it to wives; the latter group to a lesser degree.

by Anonymousreply 30December 26, 2022 3:04 PM

"Straight women are generally turned off by homosexuality. "

No, plenty of straight women like gay porn or "slash" fiction, but that doesn't mean they necessarily 0want a relationship with a bi man in real life, or a long-term relationship.

Here's a question, why are all these bi men getting all bent out of shape about the straight woman wanting straight men, why are they going after straight women and not bi? Bi women understand what bisexuality means and what it means to a relationship, that's got to be easier than a mixed-orientation relationship.

by Anonymousreply 31December 26, 2022 3:22 PM

"Why can’t gay men have the same power or privilege to exclude people?"

Ask an old, ugly, or fat gay man whether or not gay men have the power to exclude.

by Anonymousreply 32December 26, 2022 3:25 PM

Isn't it normal. With all hot straight men around, if you were a decent looking woman why would you waste your time on undecided bisexuals.

by Anonymousreply 33December 26, 2022 5:12 PM

[quote]Subconsciously they view it as a weakness/deviation from masculinity so they're naturally disgusted or enraged.

Or they'd rather just avoid a disease vector.

by Anonymousreply 34December 26, 2022 5:19 PM

God, people just hate bi guys here. Women hate bi guys. Gay dudes hate bi guys. Where do we fit in this community?

by Anonymousreply 35December 26, 2022 6:33 PM

Damn, R35., it's not hate. Are you expecting women to just have sex with someone who turns them off - for whatever reasons?

You fit in by having your rights protected because of your sexuality - you don't fit in on the condition that everyone wants to have sex with you.

You are confusing the gay rights movement with Grindr.

by Anonymousreply 36December 26, 2022 6:40 PM

My sisters husband is bi. He had relationships with men and women in the past. They've been married and monogamous ( as far as I know) for 10 years. They were friends for years though.

by Anonymousreply 37December 26, 2022 6:40 PM

Everyone on earth has the "right to exclude" people they don't want to fuck, OP. Even the most desperate and unattractive person on earth will have people on their 'never fuck' list.

For me this is a combination of factors the largest of which is a lizard brain level feeling that bisexual men are less masculine. There are practical reasons others have mentioned (there's a perceived risk of straying with ALL men, and I think many women perceive the risk to be higher with bi men) but for me the less-masculine factor has always been the main one. Even as a teenage girl I remember being turned off a guy after finding out he also slept with men. It's specifically sexual, and it doesn't mean I can't like or respect a bisexual man, or be friends with one etc. There's just something about a man wanting dick that almost instantly kills any sexual desire I may have been feeling.

by Anonymousreply 38December 26, 2022 7:04 PM

[quote] For me this is a combination of factors the largest of which is a lizard brain level feeling that bisexual men are less masculine.

I understand your points, R38, but plenty of women like and have sex and marry "less masculine" men. I think it is specifically because the bi-men they are rejecting sleep or slept with men. It's a turn off for women. IMO it's as simple as that.

by Anonymousreply 39December 26, 2022 7:09 PM

Why would anyone here care about straight women’s sexual proclivities?…

by Anonymousreply 40December 26, 2022 7:11 PM

These dumb women in here like R38 talking about bi men aren't masculine just revealed you don't know men at all. Some women have already had sex with a bi man and didn't even know since they usually aren't as forthcoming about their sexuality like bi women tend to be. Any man who's been to prison for a length of time is 99 percent likely to have a same sex experience but there are no shortage of naive women wating on them when they get out. And fraus would absolutely lose their minds if they knew how many of their favorite actors and celebrity crushes have also had same sex experiences. Basically most women are clueless about men and their sexuality. Always have been.

by Anonymousreply 41December 26, 2022 8:26 PM

Bisexual men are difficult because they don't consider gay men as serious options and simply use them for sex. They whine about straight women rejecting them but women aren't obligated to date or sleep with them. Many straight women already have been with or are in relationships with bisexual men unbeknownst to them. Some bisexual men blame straight women and gay men for their issues. Gay men don't care because bisexuality men refuse to grow up and take the risks of being in a gay relationship and women don't care because they want the risk of STDs and having to compete with men.

by Anonymousreply 42December 26, 2022 8:41 PM

I would never knowingly be sexually or romantically involved with a bi man. It has nothing to do with considering them less masculine, that's ridiculous. I also would never be involved with a republican, an actor or a(nother) football player. I would never need someone to justify who they want to fuck and don't think I, or anyone needs to.

by Anonymousreply 43December 26, 2022 8:45 PM

Heaps closeted gay men first "come out" as bi. Why would you want to invest time into a relationship when there's a reasonable chance he's just gay and will eventually ditch you.

by Anonymousreply 44December 26, 2022 8:51 PM

biphobia is acceptable homophobia for str8 women. . even though, they send mixed signals to str8 guys with their fetish for gay men, gay porn and fanfics.

They love the idea of converting a masculine homo but because they believe that homoseuxality is second to heterosexuality, that gay men are lesser men that just desire to be women.. they really only accept them as effeminate camp gays that they have no interest in. They need us to hate the men they desire. Which is why they tell us we hve internalized homophobia when we're not camp gays that worship and envy them. . . they want to believe in clear little boxes on their assumptions about men, maleness and male sexuality in general. Funny that one, how dare you talk about females, but my, how many theories they hold on male bodies and sexuality.... gay, straight, bi...

by Anonymousreply 45December 26, 2022 9:32 PM

Pussy power. You can’t use pussy power on a man who also likes dick.

by Anonymousreply 46December 26, 2022 9:53 PM

Can we also talk about how they can't drive in a fucking Wegman's parking lot?

by Anonymousreply 47December 26, 2022 9:54 PM

My ex is bisexual and I’m 99% positive his girlfriend doesn’t know. She’s also “queer” and LGBT+ and full of rainbow flags all over her social media and whatever straight female savior / victims have and if she found out he was bisexual, I’m sure she’d either dump him or struggle hard.

The double standards are pretty bad.

by Anonymousreply 48December 26, 2022 10:00 PM

The other thing I would like to point out.

Studies and insights show on porn tube sites that women over 40 watch gay porn.

I think young women seek out their “Prince Charming” figure and once they’re old and divorced, they loosen up their preferences because they realize Prince Charming doesn’t exist.

I don’t know how to explain it but a bisexual man would interfere with a woman’s ambition for marriage and perfect mate. Once they realize it’s rare or they hate their husbands, they would rather fuck a beefy bisexual guy because they don’t have their fairy tale goals anymore.

by Anonymousreply 49December 26, 2022 10:03 PM

Similar thread

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 50December 26, 2022 10:17 PM

A world where people get to refuse sex for any reason, even bad reasons, is a better world where people are obligated to have sex with people they don't want to fuck, because someone else is assumed to deserve it!

Sure, everyone finds this basic human right to be inconvenient at times, because nobody likes being rejected, but everyone is also horrified at the idea of being obligated to fuck someone they don't desire. The right to refuse sex is a basic expression of autonomy and individuality, one that isn't available to everyone on Earth, take that right away and you may face less rejection, but you may also be forced into an arranged marriage or realize you can't refuse the creepy old manager at work. So the right to refuse sex, romance, and relationships is a wonderful thing and needs to be protected, again, EVEN IF THE REASON FOR REFUSING ARE BAD. Life isn't fair, sex is the least fair part of life, and it can't be made fair because what's "fair" to one person is unfair to another.

by Anonymousreply 51December 26, 2022 10:23 PM

R49 " Studies and insights show on porn tube sites that women over 40 watch gay porn. "

Links to valid studies you could share?

by Anonymousreply 52December 26, 2022 10:26 PM

R51 Word. I think we also need to stop virgin shaming and stop stereotyping men who watch porn, read erotica, go to strip clubs or seek out prostitutes as "losers." There's nothing wrong also with masturbation and people should learn to appreciate self-pleasure which can give you intense orgasms.

by Anonymousreply 53December 26, 2022 10:30 PM

Women can't compete with cock. If he's even a little gay, he'll always hunger for a man.

by Anonymousreply 54December 26, 2022 10:31 PM

R49 on the contrary, I think that girls are more permissive and immersed in woke culture, but also lack experience and they might accept a bi guy, but more mature women with experience try to avoid bisexuals at any cost cause they know they come with diseases and psychological issues.

by Anonymousreply 55December 26, 2022 10:34 PM

Interesting how all these supposedly hetero women on justify their rejection of bi men. But it makes me wonder: how would they feel if a straight man rejected or struggled with accepting them for their own same-sex experiences or desires (as practically unlikely as that might be)?

Just another ridiculous double standard. I’m very much on the “gay” side of the male sexuality spectrum but I know a few bi men IRL and feel for them when they’re seriously interested in females.

by Anonymousreply 56December 26, 2022 10:40 PM

I’ve been with men and women and enjoyed both but way more attracted to guys. The best analogy I have is you put me in the females side of the strip clubs, I’m curious and maybe the slightest bit intrigued. Drag me to the guys side, slightly more interest but it’s really just not my thing. I can be into either, with women with more specific stuff but jeez I know I came tell every guy I go with that info. For me I think a lot of is connecting for me period. Its like not feeling you fit in with the straight dudes or the gay ones to a certain extent.

by Anonymousreply 57December 26, 2022 10:51 PM

I can’t tell**

by Anonymousreply 58December 26, 2022 10:52 PM

r56 it's more so they view themselves as progressive. . . and since they believe in the power + privilege theory of oppression, we get alot of the cries of misogyny when you call out this homophobia that is comparable to the far right - Oh, women are just protecting themselves from diseased faggots and perverts.

by Anonymousreply 59December 26, 2022 10:53 PM

Without any evidence to back up my opinion, if I was a straight woman I would not want to be with a guy who’s had a cock in his mouth or ass.

Not because it grossed me out, but because I would be asking him to go through life with one hand tied behind his back, knowing that he’d go back for more.

by Anonymousreply 60December 26, 2022 11:12 PM

^ but you’d be ok marrying him knowing he might want to go back for different pussy? So what is it that you’re REALLY concerned about: him wanting to go back for more generally, or specifically more dick (as opposed to vag)?

Interesting how this basically a nonexistent issue when it comes to men settling down with bi (or supposedly bi) women.

by Anonymousreply 61December 26, 2022 11:19 PM

If heterosexual women cannot respect the boundaries involved with a man's being gay, who the hell would expect them to respect what "bisexual" means to a man.

I am bisexual, but being around women on their manhunt left me feeling more comfortable with the way men (usually) have been in relationships.

I never had a man assume I was going to be exclusive just because, after he pursued me and was sexual about it, we had sex. Controlling, jealous, needy, game-playing straight women. Alas.

by Anonymousreply 62December 26, 2022 11:29 PM

r61 recall the pegging craze? str8 dudes were toxic and misogynistic if they didn't comply... but if they enjoyed it, then they were gay.

by Anonymousreply 63December 26, 2022 11:30 PM

"...how would they [straight women] feel if a straight man rejected or struggled with accepting them for their own same-sex experiences or desires (as practically unlikely as that might be)?"

Like I said, everyone gets to reject anyone for any reason, including past experiences. Nobody likes being rejected, but everyone with sense cherishes the freedom to reject.

As for straight people with bisexuals, well I think it's largely about trust: IMHO straight men trust women more than straight women trust men. Straight men are more likely to incorrectly assume that women can't hurt them, while women know damn well that a male intimate partner can. So straight men will incorrectly assume that if they get with a bi woman they're in charge and she'll limit her interests to providing him with girlie shows and threeways, which is never true, while women assume that a bi man will cheat on her to get what she can't give him, and that certainly does happen. And because straight women have so little trust in men, they're also more likely to end a relationship when they see a red flag than a straight man. We've all known straight men who think it's no problem that their girlfriend killed her last three husbands or something, if the sex is good they stick around anyway....

by Anonymousreply 64December 26, 2022 11:39 PM

R45 is dead on! Couldn't be more accurate. BRAVO!

by Anonymousreply 65December 27, 2022 1:03 AM
Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 66December 27, 2022 1:25 AM

R3 is completely correct. I used to think most of my cohort was open minded but in the end most people seem to prefer what they’ve been taught.

by Anonymousreply 67December 27, 2022 1:27 AM

Blah Blah Blah R64 stop the bullshit. My brother's ex wife left him for another woman. It happened to male coworker of mine as well and he was pretty fuckin hot too. I know so many girls in fact that started out dating men but eventually came to terms that they preferred women and gradually became grossed out by penis. A bi girlfriend told me not too long ago that the thought of a naked man makes her want to gag. She's very happy with her current girlfriend. Stop acting like there isn't a chance for a woman to dump a man for her own gender just like a bi man could potentially do the same. The women on here not only have penis envy, but like men seem to think that the dick is all powerful and neither women or men can resist. How ironic for you!

by Anonymousreply 68December 27, 2022 1:28 AM

R68, you missed my every point! I never said that bi women won't dump a straight man, just that straight men *believe* that a relationship with a woman will be all threeways and roses.

The fact is, a straight man who marries a bi girl may believe it's all fun and girlie shows from now on, but he may be dumped for a woman or another man, or have any of the usual relationship problems that happen with people of any orientation, or find that he's married an Amber Heard.

by Anonymousreply 69December 27, 2022 1:34 AM

Straight women are perfectly fine with bisexual men, OP, as long as bisexual men are straight up about their bisexuality, from the get go.

At least this straight woman is.

Different strokes for different folks, etc., etc.

by Anonymousreply 70December 27, 2022 1:34 AM

fujoshi are entertaining, the subculture that focuses on homosexual relationships as perceived through the feminist lens with a history of excluding actual gay men from the ranks. . . it's a weird fetish.

by Anonymousreply 71December 27, 2022 1:35 AM

Sorry, meant to say...

"straight men *believe* that a relationship with A BI woman will be all threeways and roses."

by Anonymousreply 72December 27, 2022 1:35 AM

r72 and then they will attempt to subjugate the females by manspreading to show his dominance.

by Anonymousreply 73December 27, 2022 1:38 AM

OP: 'Why aren't gay men allowed to exclude bi men?'

R1, followed by the rest of the thread: 'Here's why I would never fuck a bi man'.

Carry on, DL.

by Anonymousreply 74December 27, 2022 1:42 AM

I didn't miss any point R69 you still sound ignorant to how men really feel and think in general but especially about women.

"IMHO straight men trust women more than straight women trust men."

Silly woman! You've obviously never been in a locker room or any environment where it's all men and no women around to hear how they talk about them. Nor have you ever listened to a Snoop Dogg track "We don't trust you hoes". I also know religious men who wouldn't touch a woman whose been with another woman and even non religious who feel the same. The rest if your "point" is just moot because it's a bunch of silly assumptions and stereotypes that you've formed about men not the reality. And the reality is many men straight or gay don't trust women period. Especially with the recent rise if the incels. You reached all the way back to the 90s with your stereotypes about men. Sit down!

by Anonymousreply 75December 27, 2022 2:12 AM

R73 is also a moron. Sit down!

by Anonymousreply 76December 27, 2022 2:19 AM

It never ceases to amaze me on DL how many here can justify their own bigotry,!and truly believe they are espousing some universal truth. Women/fraus suck and this is why I’m right. Gay men suck and I can prove it with these stats. Straight men are the worst, every single one! Trans people blah blah, bi men are all…yada, yada, yada.

Aren’t we all just fucking human beings first, doing our best to figure it out? The world is a complicated, scary place and human sexuality most of all. I come to DL for entertainment and hopefully a little camaraderie. I leave most times just feeling tired and defeated. I’m no Pollyanna. I know it’s a “gossip” site. I can get/feel as bitchy as the next person. But FUCK ME the constant negativity and attacks can be a drag. Does DataLounge just bring out the worst in people?

by Anonymousreply 77December 27, 2022 3:12 AM

Yes, R77, Datalounge does bring out the worst in people.

by Anonymousreply 78December 27, 2022 3:29 AM

R10 Why aren't straight men afraid of dating bi women then, since they can't compete with softness and tenderness of a woman nor do they satisfy a woman like another woman can?

by Anonymousreply 79December 27, 2022 3:45 AM

lol, straight men caring about satisfying women

by Anonymousreply 80December 27, 2022 3:47 AM

R80 You think all straight men are assholes that only care about their own pleasure? Every single one of them??

by Anonymousreply 81December 27, 2022 3:53 AM

[quote]"I just can't respect a man who's been with another man sexually" said the woman who paid cold, hard cash to have three of her own babies snuffed out through abortion. My eyes are still stuck up in tneir sockets from rolling them so hard!

Can we talk about the blatant misogyny routinely expressed by the garden variety pussy-starved, bitter, and alone bisexual male?

by Anonymousreply 82December 27, 2022 4:15 AM

R82 Yes, unlike gay men who never call women cunts, fish, fraus, dykes etc. in this site.

by Anonymousreply 83December 27, 2022 4:19 AM

R77=WHINY DIKE

by Anonymousreply 84December 27, 2022 4:25 AM

r83 That's mostly gay men just engaging in some harmless, pointless, bitchery.

The bi men doing it are coming from a legitimate place of anger and mildly terrifying sexual frustration toward women.

by Anonymousreply 85December 27, 2022 4:43 AM

R27 is pretty spot on.

by Anonymousreply 86December 27, 2022 4:49 AM

Can we talk about how straight women invade gay spaces and treat these guys like cattle at auction.

by Anonymousreply 87December 27, 2022 5:02 AM

R85 Yes, calling women bitches and cunts is so harmless and fun. Everyone should be doing it.

by Anonymousreply 88December 27, 2022 5:46 AM

But there’s not the animosity and anxiety that occurs when you want to fuck women but also hate them.

by Anonymousreply 89December 27, 2022 6:02 AM

r88 Depending on the context, indeed, it can be.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 90December 27, 2022 6:03 AM

R90 Love how you keep making excuses for misogyny on this site. If they threw around the word fag constantly on some other forum, let's say LipstickAlley, you would the first one to accuse them of homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 91December 27, 2022 7:55 AM

Come on girlies, as if most of you by some chance had the access to hot true blood heterosexuals, would waste time on bisexuals.

by Anonymousreply 92December 27, 2022 8:28 AM

Ugh will the whiney Bitch/Cunt R88 and R91 log off already and contact your therapist. You are not going to change almost 30 years of DL pointless bitchery and discussions. If it's too much for you the obvious answer is just not to come back. Imagine showing up to somebody's house and then demanding the owner let you stay there. You would come off like a loon. If your ass can't take the heat pull up your pants and go home. Datalouge is no place for the oversensitve.

by Anonymousreply 93December 27, 2022 9:31 AM

R93 Being a sexist, misogynistic asshole isn't a pointless bitchery, you moron. What's next, people on Stormfront aren't racist, it's just 30 years of dark humor and pointless bitchery?

by Anonymousreply 94December 27, 2022 10:21 AM

I must say there is some truth in what you saying R94. Sexists always insist women should have "sense of humor." So why shouldn't racists and anti semites too.

by Anonymousreply 95December 27, 2022 10:58 AM

[quote][R90] Love how you keep making excuses for misogyny on this site. If they threw around the word fag constantly on some other forum, let's say LipstickAlley, you would the first one to accuse them of homophobia.

I'm a female, actually. I just give a shit.

And I already told you, the main one's serious with the misogyny and not just screwing around are those angry-ass, pussy-starved bisexuals. They tend to be both misogynistic and homophobic. See r62 for a prime example. He is all through DL shitting on women and gay men. Considering he's bisexual, there is a 99.9% chance that he's being serious. Go bother him.

by Anonymousreply 96December 27, 2022 10:58 AM

^ *don't give a shit

Goddamnit. -_-

by Anonymousreply 97December 27, 2022 10:59 AM

And since we talk about pointless bitchery and having sense of humor, bisexuals must learn how to take a joke like queens and fraus here.

Of course a woman would prefer a fresh hetero dick to the diseased bisexual one.

by Anonymousreply 98December 27, 2022 11:07 AM

I personally don't get eliminating an entire group of people based on their sexuality for dating. Their individual character is going to inform more than their sexuality. Straight, gay, bisexual men are all capable of being whores and diseased as much as they are of the opposite, you have to suss that out on a case-by-case basis.

by Anonymousreply 99December 27, 2022 11:17 AM

Cry me a river R94 I enjoy the taste of your tears. Women will never have the power and control over gay men like they do straight men so you will NOT come over here and tell us what to do bitch. Like I said you can't show up to somebody's house and start rearranging the furniture so take your stank ass on somewhere and go stink up another joint. And who gives a fuck about stormfront? You're not gonna go over there and change shit either so go back to lipstick alley where hive mind and hyper emotions flow like pussy juice. You aren't going to win here.

by Anonymousreply 100December 27, 2022 11:51 AM

[quote]You've obviously never been in a locker room or any environment where it's all men and no women around to hear how they talk about them.

R75 gets it.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 101December 27, 2022 11:58 AM

[quote] Can we talk about how straight women deal with bisexual men?

Why would anyone here care about how straight women deal with men in any capacity? I don’t give a shit about that subject, and the vast majority here don’t either except for the Russian Trump bot chatgpt echo chamber.

by Anonymousreply 102December 27, 2022 12:18 PM

R53 All of that goes back to my point. Any type of sexuality outside of a girlfriend / wife is creepy, predatory, gross, loser, etc.

It’s a manipulative tactic to control men.

Of course it’s not all women. There are women who are just as sexual and open minded. But not by a lot.

There are guys who get dumped when their girlfriends find their porn on their phones and etc.

Just like men want Stepford Wives, women want the guy who only thinks of them.

by Anonymousreply 103December 27, 2022 12:30 PM

Is the OP the same click bait troll who posted the straight women hate masculine gay men thread?

by Anonymousreply 104December 27, 2022 12:35 PM

r76 sticks and stones., Boohoo.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 105December 27, 2022 12:57 PM

R100 You totally missed the point. But that was expected.

by Anonymousreply 106December 27, 2022 1:00 PM

R96 Yes, cause you can totally see if the person posting sexist shit is gay or a bisexual. Brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 107December 27, 2022 1:01 PM

r107 In other words, fraus and lesbians don't matter when it's negative about them. It's just incel talk and russian bots. Women are pure and virtuous, men are privileged and tyrannical.. how dare you say anything less.

by Anonymousreply 108December 27, 2022 1:01 PM

R108 What the hell are you talking about? We are discussing sexism here. I doubt it's the female posters that refer to women as cunts and smelly fish.

by Anonymousreply 109December 27, 2022 1:07 PM

You still haven't learned R106 I don't give a fuck about your "point" . MY position is you won't come to DL and try to frau up this website by whining about "misogyny". Most of us here are MEN. That's MY POINT.

by Anonymousreply 110December 27, 2022 1:07 PM

IT's like dealing with the bitter world of former faghags; rose mcgowan, margaret cho, kathy griffin, tori amos, anne rice... to name a few. all that had those moments of how dare you, don't you know what I've done for the community

r109 ah, yes, it's the womanface fags...

by Anonymousreply 111December 27, 2022 1:08 PM

nothing is more dangerous to a gay man than a frau desperately clinging to her youth and hipsterdom

by Anonymousreply 112December 27, 2022 1:11 PM

R110 I'm a man as well, you dumbass.I Idon't care about your position. Yes, most of us here are men. And most men are misogynistic assholes, gay, bi or straight. Thank you for agreeing with me.

by Anonymousreply 113December 27, 2022 1:14 PM

R111 I have zero idea what you are blabbering about.

by Anonymousreply 114December 27, 2022 1:15 PM

Go eat fish R113 I'm not agreeing with a pussy tap dancer like you. Enjoy those brownie points from women who think you're a "diseased fag" according to the comments on this site. I suppose there will always be some poor simp willing to put his cape on for people who deep down don't give a fuck about him. Couldn't be me.

by Anonymousreply 115December 27, 2022 1:20 PM

R115 You are literally too dumb to insult. And are once again proving my point

by Anonymousreply 116December 27, 2022 1:24 PM

Again YOU HAVE NO POINT YPU DUMB BITCH! R116 at this point you're just going back and forth with me. Your message has muddled whatever the fuck it is. If you want to make a point go sit on a spiked fence.

by Anonymousreply 117December 27, 2022 1:29 PM

^ wow, this guy is edgy. And as funny as the testicular cancer.

by Anonymousreply 118December 27, 2022 1:33 PM

And I love the pathetic attempt to drag. "Too dumb to insult" when you simply keep repeating the same shit over and over. It's derivative R116. You are literally too stupid for the words you type.

by Anonymousreply 119December 27, 2022 1:33 PM

Funny you bring up testicles when you have no balls bitch boy R118

by Anonymousreply 120December 27, 2022 1:34 PM

^ glad you are not butthurt 😂

by Anonymousreply 121December 27, 2022 1:35 PM

I don't get butthurt R121 I'm not a bottom bitch like you are.

by Anonymousreply 122December 27, 2022 1:37 PM

Fuck you, R96.

As a bisexual man sick of women's games even here, I mean that both literally and figuratively.

You lack comprehension and you are just another herd creature.

by Anonymousreply 123December 27, 2022 1:39 PM

R122 This is the lamest insult I've ever heard. Congrats.

by Anonymousreply 124December 27, 2022 1:51 PM

Thank you Bitch boy R124 I appreciate your appreciation.

by Anonymousreply 125December 27, 2022 2:16 PM

^ still not butthurt, I see.

by Anonymousreply 126December 27, 2022 2:22 PM

Nope not at all Bitch boy R126.

by Anonymousreply 127December 27, 2022 2:36 PM

[quote] ...bi guys want both.

Tough shit.

by Anonymousreply 128December 28, 2022 1:40 AM

Girls, girls, etc

by Anonymousreply 129December 28, 2022 2:06 AM

As long as it's mussy not pussy it's ok with the Lord and me.

by Anonymousreply 130December 28, 2022 2:23 AM

Some women are turned on by it and even watch their man get fucked by another man. Other women cuckold their bi man.

by Anonymousreply 131December 28, 2022 2:54 AM

I’ve seen the videos

by Anonymousreply 132December 28, 2022 3:05 AM

Who gives a fuck if straight women don't want bisexual men. The whole point of being bisexual is that there is more than one option. Just go fuck a guy or a bisexual women and stop whining.

by Anonymousreply 133December 28, 2022 4:48 AM

R127 Yes, being a sexist creep means that you have balls. All balls and no brain.

by Anonymousreply 134December 28, 2022 8:22 AM

Balls in your mouth too Bitch Boy R134

by Anonymousreply 135December 28, 2022 11:02 AM

R135 Original and hilarious, as always

by Anonymousreply 136December 28, 2022 12:18 PM

Thank you Bitch boy a pleasure R136

by Anonymousreply 137December 28, 2022 12:58 PM

I'm not trying to be funny R136 in all honesty I really think you are bitch and will continue to call you one with zero irony.

by Anonymousreply 138December 28, 2022 1:06 PM

R138 Being called a bitch by a Trumper nimrod like you is more of compliment than it is an insult. But you wouldn't understand that.

by Anonymousreply 139December 28, 2022 1:09 PM

[quote] Radical feminist theorists have analysed the construction of male sexuality as resulting from ruling class status and the availability of a subordinate class of women on whom to act out. This form of sexuality is extremely dangerous to the interests of women, in asmuch as it leads to the rape and murder of women. This has not been a popular point of view amongst gay activists or sexual libertarian lesbians and feminists who have attacked those feminists who demand that men change, as ‘anti-sex’ or ‘essentialist’. The radical feminist critique has now been power fully taken up by many of those concerned to contain the global AIDS epidemic. The Panos Institute publication, AIDS and Men: Taking Risks or Taking Responsibility? (Foreman 1999), argues that AIDS is an epidemic which has a political cause in the form of masculine risk-taking and irresponsible behaviour originating in the inequality between men and women. AIDS, according to this analysis, can be seen as a disease of male supremacy.

[quote] Gay Male Pornography , as we have seen, is a major aspect of the definition of public sex offered by queer theorists and Sex Panic members. Pornography has achieved iconic status in queer theory, and its defence is central to the agenda of queer politics. Well-known queer art critics, legal theorists and queer theorists state that pornography is crucial to gay men’s survival, to their identities, and to their ability to do sex.

[quote] A number of gay male commentators have criticized the masculinity of gay male porn and the wider cult of masculinity in gay culture in recent decades as being antithetical to support for women’s liberation. They have pointed out that gay men cannot have their masculinity if women are to be free from oppression. These critiques have not been heeded by gay men who support pornography, most likely because their gay audiences have not known why they should bother about women. They have been concerned only for themselves. For this reason, critics of the values and practices of gay porn have sought to frame their arguments in ways that appeal to gay men’s sense of self-preservation

[quote] Gay men responded by getting lesbian and bisexual women, often with vested interests in the newly developing lesbian sex industry, to support them against the anti-pornography feminists. They sought to split the opposition, so that they could maintain their porn and their privileges

[quote] Pro-pornography lesbians say that they learnt to appreciate pornography by looking at gay male porn and subsequently incorporated ‘gay male sexual iconography into their fantasies, sex play and cultural representations’

[quote] The highest value absorbed through such incorporation is that masculinity is to be worshipped. In the 1980s this was reflected in a revaluing of lesbian ‘butchness’, and in the 1990s in the evolution of ‘transmen’, many of whom sought to become ‘gay men’ after surgery, despite, in most cases, the absence of any form of phalloplasty.

[quote] The pursuit of the penis and the masculine privilege derived from male dominance is a sad and hopeless quest for lesbians. Even surgery cannot supply such a holy grail, since transsexual operations cannot construct a functional phallus.

[quote] For feminists who understand pornography to be the ‘propaganda of woman hatred’ and wish to eradicate it, gay men’s defence of their own form of pornography is a significant obstacle.

[quote] If the interests of constituencies other than privileged American gay men are to be taken seriously, then this kind of sexuality needs to be transformed, rather than protected.

[quote] Gay men constitute an influential lobby group. By arguing, as many do, that gay porn is necessary for gay men’s survival, they protect pornography, in direct contradiction to feminist concerns that it is an active threat to the survival of women.

by Anonymousreply 140December 28, 2022 1:20 PM

Nothing funnier than a hot guy who isn't a slave to pussy. Sorry, girls, but guys always want to fuck and without all of the BS.

by Anonymousreply 141December 28, 2022 1:34 PM

A Trumper?! You are a goddamn moron R139 I FUCKING HATE TRUMP! Wow I didn't know that's what you thought lol, you just made an ASS out of your self for ASSUMING ones politics on an anonymous forum, shows how how unperceptive you are. So you're not only a BITCH but a DUMB BITCH as well tsk tsk.

by Anonymousreply 142December 28, 2022 11:37 PM

[quote] Fuck you, [R96].

[quote]As a bisexual man sick of women's games

r123 Sir, nobody cares.

by Anonymousreply 143December 29, 2022 6:57 AM

Judging from this thread, you can see the actual homophobic hate against bisexual men lol.

by Anonymousreply 144December 29, 2022 7:10 AM

No, R144, it is not homophobic, because nobody said anything against gay men here.

It is just that people who want to seat on two seats, sexually or otherwise in life, are not generally beloved by others. Bisexuals are like eternal children and people have no endless patience for adult children. Be a man and decide what you are.

by Anonymousreply 145December 29, 2022 7:46 AM

And I wanted to add, celebrities (someone mentioned Bowie) can get away with it, cause everything is tolerated and even considered hip when it comes to rich and famous, but the same feature in an ordinary man, who can't sing nor dance (non sa ne cantare ne ballare, as Italians say) is considered just annoying.

by Anonymousreply 146December 29, 2022 7:50 AM

Why the fuck are we discussing what straight women want? This is a bi obsession, let these fuckers go to a bi or straight forum and pollute it with these stupid posts.

by Anonymousreply 147December 29, 2022 9:48 AM

r147 Because they're part of society and they have political and academic influence over our lives. The hatred of bisexuals is extended unto gay men.. it reveals their true feelings about homosexuality vs what they think about gay men. It's a matter of an empathy. There's no doubt that many women are sympathetic and "tolerant" of gay men... but we often disagree with their perceptions of our sexualities, psyche and politics. And often, we're expected to support their interests without question and secondary to that of our own. To even call out such conflicts is taboo and results in a game of the oppression stack, which we'll lose along with the homophobic rhetoric that lashes out and how it's attached to the social justice core of our communities.

by Anonymousreply 148December 29, 2022 10:16 AM

R142 You truly are a moron.

by Anonymousreply 149December 29, 2022 11:52 AM

R149 You are truly a punk Bitch

by Anonymousreply 150December 29, 2022 1:45 PM

Is this only an issue if a woman is looking for a relationship? What if it’s just a fuck?

by Anonymousreply 151December 29, 2022 2:48 PM

r151 It's both. Most straight women especially don't want to (knowingly) fuck a bisexual man. Hell, even many bisexual women don't even want to fuck a bisexual man. It's for many reasons, but I think a big reason is because the STD risk is, statistically, higher with MSM and STDs can have a more detrimental impact on the female reproductive system (i.e. PID which can lead to infertility). Straight women also tend to worry about their men cheating. It's well known that in the hetero realm, women are the gatekeepers of sex.

So, even if straight men want to cheat, it's more difficult for them to find a woman to cheat with. The same rule does not apply to bisexual men. When it comes to sex, men are easy and objectively bigger whores. So, if a bisexual man wants to cheat, he can easily get it from another man. That would probably be why a bisexual woman would also not want to bother with a bisexual man. I have literally heard many bi women say they don't want bi men because of access to sex with other men. Ironically, that is also why I don't want a bi woman.

by Anonymousreply 152December 29, 2022 6:40 PM

[quote]The hatred of bisexuals is extended unto gay men.. it reveals their true feelings about homosexuality vs what they think about gay men.

r148 This seems like a reach. As long as someone is not actively trying to infringe on the rights of others, it's not a problem to not want to be involved with them romantically or sexually.

This is borderline gaslighting and not too dissimilar from the logic train that the radical trans activists ride wherein they label anyone transphobic for not wanting to date or have sex with a trans person. No one is entitled to sex and/or a relationship from anyone. This is how incels think.

by Anonymousreply 153December 29, 2022 6:49 PM

R152 How many women how you dated that call themselves lesbians, but really weren't? If any.

by Anonymousreply 154December 29, 2022 8:18 PM

r154 It's difficult to answer that question honestly considering bisexuals tend to lie by omission about their sexual orientation to people they're interested in romantically and/or sexually. In their mind, "it shouldn't matter" what their sexual orientation is. All the person they're pursuing/with should care about is that they're giving them attention.

I will say this, though. Women seem to be more open about their bisexuality than men. Bisexual men lie/omit more because they know it hurts their chances of getting any, especially to women.

by Anonymousreply 155December 29, 2022 9:24 PM

I wouldn't assume that women just out for a good time aren't also dismayed by men who have other options If you depend on something to give you power, the prospect of involvement with someone immune to it can be scary.

I'd be cool with dating a bisexual man (has not happened yet), but I'm aware that roughly 90% of bisexual men end up married to women—something that I see as a valid reason for concern and rejection from relationship-minded gay men. It's just not a deal-breaker for me because I'm not that keen on settling down or on monogamy in general.

by Anonymousreply 156December 29, 2022 9:43 PM

And how many of tbose 90 percent are still chasing dick?

by Anonymousreply 157December 29, 2022 9:58 PM

R155 has a point. Anecdotally, bisexual men aren't honest about their sexuality until much later in the relationship. Women, straight or otherwise, tend to fall hard and fast. It's like bi men wait until the worst possible moment to be honest.

Another issue, totally my opinion here, is that there is a huge stigma attached to a women who is left for another man than there is for a woman who loses her man to another woman. It's the difference between, "Girl, he was always a horndog and the other woman is a whore and a bitch!," and "Girl! how did you NOT know your man liked dick?!"

by Anonymousreply 158January 3, 2023 1:30 PM

Interesting topic. The thing that made me smile is the assumption that any man who's slept with men is probably riddled with STDs including monkeypox.

Not all gay/bi men are promiscuous (shock horror!) If we were, surely monkeypox numbers would have been a hell of a lot higher than they ended up being.

That's not to say straight women should feel compelled to fuck bisexual men if they don't want to. It has to be their choice, of course, but the "well, they're probably riddled with disease" reason is a rather large generalisation. :)

by Anonymousreply 159January 3, 2023 2:50 PM

Overall bisexual men need to be honest and accept the risks of homophobia that comes with the territory. Nobody will respect them until they can live their lives openly. Gay men and lesbians coming out opened doors for bisexual men. But they rather have their straight male privilege. Btw, bisexual women don't get a pass either, many have their fun with lesbians and dump them for men too.

by Anonymousreply 160January 3, 2023 4:56 PM

Who gives a fuck about respect that you're not likely to get in or out of the closet R160? I hate when gays think they can decide for another when to be out or how another man should live his life by YOUR standards. And I see more gay men slamming doors in bisexual men's faces than opening any. Gay men regularly shit on bisexual men evidenced by the comments in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 161January 3, 2023 5:18 PM

Most straight women won't date a bi man. They expect him to go back to men eventually. There was an episode of Seinfeld about this, where Elaine dated a bi man who left her for a man. She realized that she couldn't compete with someone who knew the "parts" since birth.

by Anonymousreply 162January 3, 2023 5:20 PM

R162 But wouldn't the same logic apply to bi women as well?

by Anonymousreply 163January 3, 2023 6:43 PM

R160 "Gay men and lesbians coming out opened doors for bisexual men" Yes, cause it was only gay men and lesbians that were coming out. No bi people whatsoever.

by Anonymousreply 164January 3, 2023 6:44 PM

One major difference between women and men is women seldom feel entitled to sex on demand.

by Anonymousreply 165January 3, 2023 6:55 PM

OP is Poo Shoes D.R., who posts this same drivel to Reddit. Bi men bad. Bi men cheat. Women and gay men don't like bi. Hackneyed stereotype about bi men repeat over and over.

by Anonymousreply 166January 3, 2023 7:21 PM

Most bi men are still closeted. So clearly they haven't been coming out enough considering they probably outnumber gay men. Gay men are more likely be involved with an openly bisexual man compared to women. Yes keep bitching about gay men and blame us for you all being pussies. Keep justifying lying and getting mad at straight women for not wanting shit to do with you all.

And I like how you all can't see that if more bisexual men were out. Then you could just date one another. But yes keep being closeted and narrow your dating pool and continue to waste straight women and gay men's time.

by Anonymousreply 167January 3, 2023 7:39 PM

R165 As a man I agree. Bisexual men want their cake and eat it too. Women aren't just going along with that as they want some type of monogamy or commitment. And gay men aren't going to waste time on a relationship that may end if their bi partner decides to go the hetero route. Most bi men aren't open either and they're being dishonest. The reason they aren't open isn't because of "biphobia." It's because of their own internalized homophobia and desire to have heterosexual privilege. Gay men see through right through it. The homophobic attitudes and entitlement to sex with every gay men and straight women that bisexual men have. It's already hard for gay men to find a decent partner. If more bisexual men were open and willing to deal with homophobia and losing access to straight women. Gay men probably wouldn't be dismissive. Many still choose to be DL. But they like to blame everyone and make it "biphobia" instead of admitting they are the homophobic and misogynistic ones. They can have the entitlement of straight men that both gays and women dislike.

by Anonymousreply 168January 3, 2023 7:57 PM

R168, I've been right on the verge of falling for a bi guy I've been seeing, despite knowing better, and seeing it articulated in writing from you is exactly the wake up call I've needed. Thank you, thank you.

by Anonymousreply 169January 4, 2023 12:43 AM

Women don't want to date guys that sleep with men. Period.

by Anonymousreply 170January 4, 2023 5:09 AM

GIven how this entire thread has been about why women don't want to be with bi men because they'll eventually end up with men, while men don't want to be with bi men because they'll eventually end up with women, isn't it kind of easy to understand why they don't end up coming out?

by Anonymousreply 171January 4, 2023 5:23 AM

[quote]isn't it kind of easy to understand why they don't end up coming out?

No. If you're dishonest you have no one but yourself to blame for being a lying coward.

by Anonymousreply 172January 4, 2023 5:52 AM

R172 So everyone is entitled to know about your sexual orientation whether you like it or not?

by Anonymousreply 173January 4, 2023 6:09 AM

R173, so you would rather people just lie?

by Anonymousreply 174January 4, 2023 6:30 AM

R174 It depends on whether I think I have a right to the information or not. Also, there's a difference between lying and keeping quiet about true facts (your medical history, your sexual history, your earnings, your political/religious beliefs....)

by Anonymousreply 175January 4, 2023 6:53 AM

Women are at far greater risk for catching disease due to their genital anatomy, plus they have precious little time to find a long term relationship. Why would they waste it on a man with statistically higher numbers of STDs and who may just be covering for latent homosexuality?

Women do a lot of stupid shit to keep a man but this is one area where they have it down perfectly. Bi men can go find each other or develop a relationship with a (gasp!) gay man.

by Anonymousreply 176January 4, 2023 7:37 AM

Gay men do have the power to exclude bi men, and generally they use it. No one should be forced into a relationship with someone due to politics or shame.

by Anonymousreply 177January 4, 2023 7:39 AM

[quote][R172] So everyone is entitled to know about your sexual orientation whether you like it or not?

r173 If you're having sex with someone or intend to do so, that person has a right to know your sexual history. Obviously, if a man discloses to a woman that his sexual history includes other men that will disclose his sexual orientation. And also turn her completely off. Which is why bi men tend to not tell women they want to fuck they also fuck men. They lie by omission. Habitually.

by Anonymousreply 178January 5, 2023 4:26 AM

Interesting R178. So what info do you share with each new partner? Total body count? Any history of STDs (even if successfully treated)? All kinks and fantasies? Everything painful and traumatic?

by Anonymousreply 179January 5, 2023 5:00 AM

r179

E. All of the above

Tf?

by Anonymousreply 180January 5, 2023 5:07 AM

I don't know about straight women, but gay men back in the day used to say that bi men liked to have sex with gay men but stuck with women for emotional support. I never fucked around with bi men so have no informed opinion about it.

by Anonymousreply 181January 5, 2023 5:08 AM

wow, well maybe that's commendable but I'd say you're in a minority there R180. How do they usually react?

by Anonymousreply 182January 5, 2023 5:09 AM

r182 I would only be in the minority if I were bisexual. You know. Because of their lying problem.

by Anonymousreply 183January 5, 2023 6:50 AM

R182, Concerned, do you like bisexual guys? I mean do you find them more attractive?

by Anonymousreply 184January 5, 2023 7:07 AM

Coming out is vastly overrated and outdated. Gay men love to act like Coming out will solve all your problems, that it's all rainbows and butterflies if you just "live your truth" and yet some of the most depressed, stressed and SINGLE men I know are Out gay men. Being out doesn't guarantee that you'll find a decent guy or find a healthy relationship, all you need to do is look around for the overwhelming majority of gay couples looking for a "third". Plus Bi guys know that gay men will still have six with them regardless of being in or out of the closet. Its only online where gay men talk a good game.. All you need to be is a hot guy and they will drop to their knees. Gay men are not hard to figure out at all.

by Anonymousreply 185January 5, 2023 7:45 AM

R184 More attractive than gay men? No. But, I have sex a lot, with gay men mostly, and I always like to have a few bi guys mixed in there, variety is the spice of life eh??? Plus some of them have interesting back stories.

by Anonymousreply 186January 5, 2023 8:42 AM

R185 gay men are constantly unhappy about the lack of decent men or how superficial gay men are but fail to see they are the problem.

Women are willing to overlook a person's physical or personality shortcomings but in the gay world where all involved are looking to fuck the "golden" boy, it means a lot of men won't measure up and yet are unwilling to settle for anything less.

by Anonymousreply 187January 5, 2023 1:10 PM

R100 why are you pretending to be gay when anyone can see you are also R161? Either you're gay and women hold no power over you or you're a "bi guy living his life" and very much at the mercy of women.

by Anonymousreply 188January 5, 2023 10:47 PM

Hm. Interesting catch, r188. All of that person's posts in this thread are quite misogynistic, also. Bitter bi man who can't get pussy and hates women for it, confirmed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the "gay" men on here who are so over the top with the woman hate aren't doing so in typical, DL "pointless bitchery" fashion. They are bi men who are legitimately mad at women for rejecting them. There was another one in this thread complaining about "women's games." They're transparent as hell.

by Anonymousreply 189January 5, 2023 11:03 PM

^ And to answer your question; he's pretending to be gay because bi's lie. That's really all there is to it.

by Anonymousreply 190January 5, 2023 11:05 PM

This thread is so outdated, talking to 20-something women. Every guy in Bushwick claims to be queer while sleeping around with lots of girls. Among young, "hip" circles girls do not mind a guy being BI. Many find it a plus.

by Anonymousreply 191January 5, 2023 11:13 PM

R190 it's not just the lying, it's the stupidity as well. We can SEE your posts "gay" (BI) guy, even if you're anonymous.

Though I do think he made good points about how angry, depressed and lonely gay men are and how they will fuck any hot guy so it doesn't really benefit a bi man to come out of the closet. Completely spot on observation.

by Anonymousreply 192January 5, 2023 11:17 PM

[quote]This thread is so outdated, talking to 20-something women

That it the most insecure age group, especially in this social media climate flooded with filtered photos and BBLs (Brazilian butt lifts). Young girls are already worried about their guys looking at other girls. You think they want to be worried about him looking at guys and girls, too? The answer is still overwhelmingly 'no' for them, also.

Case in point (College girls are asked if they would date a bisexual guy). Filmed in 2020:

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 193January 5, 2023 11:34 PM

Put on the spot trying to be PC they may say yes. In reality? No.

by Anonymousreply 194January 5, 2023 11:36 PM

R193 Audio was so bad in that video. Couldn't hear half of the things they were saying.

by Anonymousreply 195January 6, 2023 8:01 AM

To summarize, r195:

Dude asked 20-something aged college girls if they'd ever date a bisexual guy. 86.7% (13/15) answered 'no.'

by Anonymousreply 196January 6, 2023 9:22 AM

R191, so is Bushwick the capital of FAKEGAY?

by Anonymousreply 197January 7, 2023 12:03 AM

r197 No. They're only "gay" around girls they like. They're actually straight. Not bi.

"I've been gay my whole life, but lately I've been really curious about sex with a girl. So, weird. Hmmmmm."

It's the oldest 'straight fuckboi' trick in the book that only extremely naive, vapid, and usually, young girls fall for.

by Anonymousreply 198January 7, 2023 3:25 AM

How much of a problem is this really? Bi men could just sleep with bi women if they feel an urge for vadge. Or is this a particular bi man who feels slighted starting this thread?

by Anonymousreply 199January 7, 2023 3:27 AM

Apparently they can't just get a bi woman R199. Bi women are prejudiced against bi men. Besides, most bi women I've met are fat and covered in tattoos and piercings. Bi guys want access to premium pussy.

by Anonymousreply 200January 7, 2023 4:05 AM

This might sound bad but honestly i just don't find bi men attractive - I don't want a guy who has slept with/sleeps with women. It's not out of a hatred for bi men, it's just a turnoff for me.

Isn't it possible that's what straight women think too? Nobody is obliged to sleep with somebody.

by Anonymousreply 201January 7, 2023 4:54 AM

R200 Wtf? Most bi women are hot. It's just the ones that scream about being bi/queer constantly, are fat and have colorful hair.

by Anonymousreply 202January 7, 2023 5:28 AM

Absolutely r201. It's a huge turnoff to women too.

by Anonymousreply 203January 7, 2023 7:55 PM

r203 Why?? Don't you realize you're the reason bi guys lie to get in your pants? Your biphobia is why they lie to get what they want. You should be ashamed.

by Anonymousreply 204January 8, 2023 1:16 AM

She doesn't have to be ashamed, she doesn't want his anally experienced dick inside her. We get it. Stop it with the fake biphobia outrage bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 205January 8, 2023 1:35 AM

Could you seriously not read my sarcasm in that reply, r205? I don't think I could've been more clear.

by Anonymousreply 206January 8, 2023 1:41 AM

R188, the topic of the thread is classic Poo Shoes. She despises bisexual men. And the two posts you reference, R100 R161, reek like Witchy-Poo's shoes after the Bellagio flood.

by Anonymousreply 207January 8, 2023 2:17 AM

R205 "anally experienced dick inside her." Like straight men don't have anal sex with women.

by Anonymousreply 208January 8, 2023 5:50 AM

R185 sounds intellectually handicapped. (i.e. retarded).

by Anonymousreply 209January 8, 2023 6:42 AM

Why would you expect straight women to be interested in your poo dick r204?? YOU should be ashamed. Premium pussy can smell you coming a mile away.

by Anonymousreply 210January 9, 2023 10:44 AM

r210 Bruh...I'm a chick and a lesbian.

The fact that my post at r204 was taken so seriously is proof positive that there are bisexuals (especially bi men) who not only legit think that way but would actually say some idiotic mess like that and be dead-ass serious.

I signed it 'Some retard' for a reason.

by Anonymousreply 211January 9, 2023 4:11 PM

To your credit, it sounded very realistic....you fooled some people.

by Anonymousreply 212January 9, 2023 4:13 PM

My female friends say bi guy is ladyboner killer. One of them dismatched a guy on Tinder who she suspected to be bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 213January 9, 2023 4:21 PM

Confucius say bi guy make pussy dry

by Anonymousreply 214January 9, 2023 4:23 PM

#NOTALLWOMEN! I'm a mostly straight woman (heteroflexible?) in my early 30's that prefers dating bisexual men. At this point it's pretty close to requisite for me. Even back when I was only dating straight guys, I was forever trying to get them to let me do stuff to their asses (I got to be VERY convincing), and was always trying to hint to them how hot I found male bisexuality to be. Frankly, I find men who even refuse to explore prostate stimulation to be closed minded and basic and in my experience, far less intellectually curious and adventurous in so many other ways in their lives.

RE: insecurities--just the opposite for me. I am 100% not down with the idea of my guy wanting to fuck other women (or even desiring them, even though I know logically that's unreasonable). I want to be the best pussy he's ever had, and I am super competitive and prideful in that regard. But I also want to see him have pleasure I know I could never give him--that only another man could give him. I suppose it's something like authentic compersion, which I have never even remotely experienced when it comes to other women. I am super supportive of him getting some dick if he needs it, so long as it's safe and responsible. I used to be super into wanting to watch/participate, but stopped pushing hard for this unless he suggests it, because I have always resented the fuck out of straight guys who try to goad me into FFM threesomes. It just changes the energy of the exchange and feels performative and exploitative. If I'm with a woman, I don't want to have to be shaping the experience to please a male gaze. I wouldn't want my partner to feel that same obligation in reverse.

RE: STD's--I literally have never even considered this. If a guy isn't having safe sex with men, I'd also assume he wasn't having safe sex with other women before me, in which case his dick would be just as risky.

I also would have far more respect for a bisexual guy that's had authentic, committed relationships with other men in the past as opposed to the ones who just use them for an occasional naughty fuck. That just feels slimy and exploitative to me. It would just make me think he's a bit of a user, and well, that's just a bit gross.

by Anonymousreply 215January 9, 2023 4:29 PM

[quote]To your credit, it sounded very realistic.

Now you know that's just a goddamn shame, r212. I was mostly parodying shit I've seen actual bi guys say (some in this very thread).

by Anonymousreply 216January 9, 2023 4:31 PM

[quote]#NOTALLWOMEN! I'm a mostly straight woman [bold](heteroflexible?)[/bold]

[quote]If I'm with a woman

Ma'am, if you are sexually attracted to both sexes in any capacity, you are also bisexual. So, why are you speaking for straight women? There is no such thing as 'mostly straight' or 'mostly gay' (homoflexible). Even if your sexual attraction is in the 95%/5% range for both sexes that is still bisexual. Were any of the women you've been with made aware that you 'mostly prefer dick' ahead of time, or did you just conveniently leave that detail out? Just curious.

by Anonymousreply 217January 9, 2023 4:40 PM

Well, many bisexual women refuse to sleep with bi men too. #notallwomen refers to both straight and bisexual.

Of course, it's already been established that a small percentage of women have no issue with bisexuality in men so I'm not sure what her point was, other than to talk about how open minded and interesting she is.

by Anonymousreply 218January 9, 2023 4:45 PM

What R217 said. Straight women don't like to touch other pussy beside their own.

by Anonymousreply 219January 9, 2023 4:47 PM

R215 here. I haven't been with a woman (or really desired to be) in over a decade. And I would say it's more the 98%/2% range. The only women I had been sexual with were bisexual--so also into dicks. I had crushes on a few lesbians, but I would have never pursued that because I think that would just be an unfair burden and concern to place on them--like I would obviously be a pretty big liability, yanno, being so into dicks and all. Because frankly, they'd have reason to be concerned. So no, I guess I'm not a gold star hetero, but plenty of hetero women aren't. That said, when I masturbate, it's ALWAYS about men. I guess that's why I feel like I don't have enough sapphic desire in me to identify as bisexual?

And R218, my point was obviously to refute the many sweeping claims being made in this thread that hetero women want nothing to do with dicks that have been in (or desire to be in) male holes, full stop.

by Anonymousreply 220January 9, 2023 4:54 PM

I,I,I,I,I,I. Me, me,me,me,me.

by Anonymousreply 221January 9, 2023 5:02 PM

R220, being straight woman it is not about being gold star, many women experimented with girls in their youth, it is about not desireing other women at all (once they reached adulthood). You can be major dick adict, but straight people are those who are not sexually attracted to their own sex.

by Anonymousreply 222January 9, 2023 5:04 PM

R221 Next time I'll be sure to respond to a question that was posed to me about my preferences using only third person language, so as not to offend your highness.

R222 I completely agree. I just feel the "heteroflexible" label fits me more is all. I guess I just personally feel one should feel desire for a particular gender more than once or twice in a lifetime to identify as BIsexual, which to me, implies far more statistical significance...enough at least to warrant an "identity".

Do you find something particularly offensive about the hetero/homoflexible label?

by Anonymousreply 223January 9, 2023 5:17 PM

[quote]I had crushes on a few lesbians, but I would have never pursued that because I think that would just be an unfair burden and concern to place on them--like I would obviously be a pretty big liability, yanno, being so into dicks and all. Because frankly, they'd have reason to be concerned.

Fine, r220. As far as your "gold star hetero" status is concerned, I reiterate, if you're sexually attracted/aroused by both sexes at all, you are bisexual. If you enjoyed sex with the same sex, however long ago, and were turned on/sexually attracted to them, that's bisexual. Period. Two straight women 'making out for fun' while drunk is not the same. What makes one bisexual is the existence of sexual attraction to both sexes. Bi means two, as in two sexes. It does not mean 50/50 for both sexes. I don't know why bisexuals have such a difficult time grasping this. Words have meaning. Hetero/homoflexible are made-up terms for dishonest bisexuals.

by Anonymousreply 224January 9, 2023 5:23 PM

R209 sounds infested with Aids (i.e. a low self esteem bottom bitch)

by Anonymousreply 225January 9, 2023 5:28 PM

[quote]r35 God, people just hate bi guys here. Women hate bi guys. Gay dudes hate bi guys. Where do we fit in this community?

[italic]Torn between two lovers, feelin’ like a fool / Loving both of you is breaking all the rules…

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 226January 9, 2023 5:29 PM

I am speaking of my life experience as someone that lives in the New York area r193. I'm sure it's different in flyover country but it's a running joke how everyone in Brooklyn is supposedly queer, girls definitely don't care.

by Anonymousreply 227January 9, 2023 5:36 PM

[quote]R56 But it makes me wonder: how would they feel if a straight man rejected or struggled with accepting them for their own same-sex experiences or desires (as practically unlikely as that might be)?

That would never happen, because straight men think girl on girl action is hot.

by Anonymousreply 228January 9, 2023 5:40 PM

R24 Sigh. Alright, I surrender. Even though I do not actively desire, fantasize about, or even remotely pursue pussy, and have not had any sexual exchanges with women outside of a couple of drug/booze fueled orgies in my early 20's, and literally only think about cocks inside of me or around me in order to become sexually aroused (to the point where I even prefer MM porn so there are that many more cocks and that fewer pussies involved), SURE, I will identify as a Bisexual Woman if it pleases you.

by Anonymousreply 229January 9, 2023 5:45 PM

[quote] r85 The bi men are coming from a legitimate place of anger and mildly terrifying sexual frustration toward women.

These guys aren’t being rejected because they’re bi. It’s because they’re soulless gingers.

by Anonymousreply 230January 9, 2023 5:49 PM

I'm sure you meant r224, r229. But maybe this little breakdown can help you (and any others reading) to get a more clear understanding of this issue:

[bold]SEXUAL ORIENTATION DE-MYSTIFIED:[/bold]

[bold]STRAIGHT =[/bold] ONLY EXPERIENCES BOTH HETEROSEXUAL AND HETEROROMANTIC ATTRACTION (only prefers romantic and sexual relationships with the opposite sex)

[bold]GAY =[/bold] ONLY EXPERIENCES BOTH HOMOSEXUAL AND HOMOROMANTIC ATTRACTION (only prefers romantic and sexual relationships with the same sex)

[bold]BI =[/bold] EXPERIENCES BOTH HETEROSEXUAL AND HOMOSEXUAL ATTRACTION; MAY OR MAY NOT EXPERIENCE BOTH HETEROROMANTIC AND HOMOROMANTIC ATTRACTION (see breakdown below)

[bold]ASEXUAL =[/bold] EXPERIENCES NEITHER HETEROSEXUAL OR HOMOSEXUAL ATTRACTION, MAY STILL EXPERIENCE HETEROROMANTIC, HOMOROMANTIC, OR BIROMANTIC ATTRACTION (see breakdown below)

[bold]AROMANTIC ASEXUAL =[/bold] EXPERIENCES NEITHER HETEROSEXUAL OR HOMOSEXUAL ATTRACTION NOR HETEROROMANTIC OR HOMOROMANTIC ATTRACTION (prefers neither romantic nor sexual relationships with either sex)

-----

[bold]THE BREAKDOWN:[/bold]

[bold]STRAIGHT/ASEXUAL (AKA HETEROROMANTIC ASEXUAL) =[/bold] EXPERIENCES HETEROMANTIC ATTRACTION BUT NOT HETEROSEXUAL OR HOMOSEXUAL ATTRACTION (only prefers romantic relationships with the opposite sex but not sexual relationships)

[bold]GAY/ASEXUAL (AKA HOMOROMANTIC ASEXUAL) =[/bold] EXPERIENCES HOMOROMANTIC ATTRACTION BUT NOT HOMOSEXUAL OR HETEROSEXUAL ATTRACTION (only prefers romantic relationships with the same sex but not sexual relationships)

[bold]BI/ASEXUAL (AKA BIROMANTIC ASEXUAL) =[/bold] EXPERIENCES BOTH HOMOROMANTIC AND HETEROROMANTIC ATTRACTION BUT NOT HOMOSEXUAL OR HETEROSEXUAL ATTRACTION (prefers romantic relationships with both sexes but not sexual relationships with either sex)

[bold]STRAIGHT/AROMANTIC =[/bold] EXPERIENCES HETEROSEXUAL ATTRACTION BUT NEITHER HETEROMANTIC OR HOMOROMANTIC ATTRACTION (only prefers sexual relationships with the opposite sex but not interested in romantic relationships with either sex)

[bold]GAY/AROMANTIC =[/bold] EXPERIENCES HOMOSEXUAL ATTRACTION BUT NOT HOMOROMANTIC OR HETEROROMANTIC ATTRACTION (only prefers sexual relationships with the same sex but not interested in romantic relationships with either sex)

[bold]BISEXUAL/AROMANTIC =[/bold] EXPERIENCES HOMOSEXUAL AND HETEROSEXUAL ATTRACTION BUT NEITHER HOMOROMANTIC OR HETEROROMANTIC ATTRACTION (only prefers sexual relationships with both sexes but not interested in romantic relationships with either sex)

[bold]BISEXUAL/HETEROAROMANTIC =[/bold] EXPERIENCES HOMOSEXUAL AND HETEROSEXUAL ATTRACTION AS WELL AS HOMOROMANTIC ATTRACTION BUT DOES NOT EXPERIENCE HETEROROMANTIC ATTRACTION (prefers sexual relationships with both sexes but only prefers romantic relationships with the same sex)

[bold]BISEXUAL/HOMOROMANTIC =[/bold] EXPERIENCES HOMOSEXUAL AND HETEROSEXUAL ATTRACTION AS WELL AS HETEROROMANTIC ATTRACTION BUT DDOES NOT EXPERIENCE HOMOROMANTIC ATTRACTION (prefers sexual relationships with both sexes but only prefers romantic relationships with the opposite sex)

----

Clear? Feel free to pick this apart.

by Anonymousreply 231January 9, 2023 6:02 PM

That last one should read 'Bisexual/HOMOAROMANTIC'

by Anonymousreply 232January 9, 2023 6:05 PM

[quote][R209] sounds infested with Aids (i.e. a low self esteem bottom bitch)

Let's also talk about how homophobic bisexual men (such as r225) are because they're bitter about the rejection they receive when they stop lying.

Lemme guess, you view yourself as 'superior' to gay bottoms because you only top men and like pussy? Could you be more cliche, sir? And then you wonder why you're despised.

by Anonymousreply 233January 9, 2023 6:41 PM

R231 You missed one.

Heteroflexibility = A subcategory of bisexuality. If you're heteroflexible, you're primarily straight but are potentially open to sexual experiences with people of the same sex. If you're bisexual, you're attracted to both men and women.

"Heteroflexible vs. bisexual:

"Bisexual" refers to someone who is attracted to people of their own gender as well as other genders. If you think that sounds somewhat similar to being heteroflexible, you're not wrong. The terms "heteroflexible" and "bisexual" can describe similar experiences, and some people even identify as both. Like all sexual identities, both of these words are subjective. Their meanings are nuanced and often have more to do with evolving popular usage than strict dictionary definitions.

Bisexual and heteroflexible are separate, coexisting identities. Many people do feel drawn to one label over the other, and which identity is more "accurate" for a particular person is ultimately up to that individual. "For each person it will be different," psychotherapist Todd Baratz, LMHC, tells mbg. "Ultimately, this is a subjective experience. Some don't want to commit to one label or feel more comfort and congruence with another."

Linguistically speaking, heteroflexible and bisexual are very different-sounding words. The word heteroflexible has the term "hetero" front and center, which may appeal to people who feel tied to their straight or mostly straight identity. By contrast, the word bisexual doesn't contain "hetero" at all. This may appeal to those for whom same-gender attraction is a more central part of their identities. "

Trust me, this isn't some queerphobic/bi-erasure thing on my part. If I was bisexual, I would be perfectly comfortable identifying as such. The majority of my circle is non-straight. I have two gay siblings whom I adore. I have a bisexual partner. I have nothing against bisexuality. I just don't feel the label fits me, PERSONALLY. I am SO mostly straight, I feel that my sexual identity more closely aligns with heterosexuality than bisexuality. That's all.

by Anonymousreply 234January 9, 2023 6:41 PM

Rejection from who R233? You don't know my life and I'm hardly despised by the people I know but keep ASSuming Asshole. .

by Anonymousreply 235January 9, 2023 6:48 PM

[quote] [R231] You missed one.

No, I didn't.

[quote]Heteroflexibility = A subcategory of bisexuality. If you're heteroflexible, you're primarily straight but are potentially open to sexual experiences with people of the same sex. If you're bisexual, you're attracted to both men and women.

This is just being unnecessarily complicated. Any sexual attraction to either sexes, regardless of "amount" for each is bisexual. So if you're 99% heterosexual/homosexual and 1% homosexual/heterosexual that is still bisexual because it includes some level of sexual attraction for [bold]both sexes.[/bold] It doesn't matter what people "feel." All that matters is what is. Again, words matter. Definitions matter. The terms 'hetero/homoflexible' are just attempts to change the definition of bisexuality but it is still bisexuality.

by Anonymousreply 236January 9, 2023 7:08 PM

R228 Some straight men reject bi women because they are afraid they will cheat on them with/leave them for a woman. Not many, but there are some.

by Anonymousreply 237January 9, 2023 7:25 PM

Nah R237, this is really rare, most guys think that not only bisexual, but even lesbian woman just hasn't met real man yet.

by Anonymousreply 238January 9, 2023 7:36 PM

R223 I am not offended by any term, I am just meticulous.

The dispute over terms came from your first posts in which you stated that you are occasionaly attracted to women. If you mentioned that you had few drunken same sex experiences in your youth and now you are attracted to men only, people wouldn't insist on calling you bisexual. You rambled in your posts as if indecided and confused, so no wonder you provoked a bit of reaction here.

by Anonymousreply 239January 9, 2023 7:52 PM

R234 you can not be primarily straight, just like you can't be pregnant a bit.

by Anonymousreply 240January 9, 2023 7:57 PM

Nothing seems to upset people more than discovering that others have a different conception of sexuality than they do.

by Anonymousreply 241January 9, 2023 8:48 PM

What’s it called when you’re just a whore?

by Anonymousreply 242January 9, 2023 8:53 PM

Because sexuality is not a concept, it's a state of being. Gay men would know that more than anyone.

by Anonymousreply 243January 9, 2023 8:59 PM

^^^ It is a concept which enables us to understand a state of being. Duh.

by Anonymousreply 244January 9, 2023 9:36 PM

R239 My mistake. I wasn't aware I would have to divulge my entire sexual history in order to defend a simple goddamn opinion--that not every straight (or MOSTLY straight, for christ's sake) woman is threatened/repulsed/wary of a bisexual man.

by Anonymousreply 245January 9, 2023 9:52 PM

No. Sexuality is a word to describe what one is attracted to. Homo= own sex, hetero= opposite sex, bi= both sexes.

I blame the trans movement for pretending that cold hard truths are now "perceptions" and "concepts". I also blame people for raising their kids to be self absorbed narcissists who are drawn to this bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 246January 9, 2023 9:55 PM

R236 such a simple concept isn't it? But it seems to anger so many who will be damned if they aren't special and mysterious enough to never be understood.

by Anonymousreply 247January 9, 2023 10:03 PM

Okay - so now this has shifted from a woman-bashing thread to a trans-bashing thread?

Just trying to keep up.

by Anonymousreply 248January 9, 2023 10:05 PM

Any criticism of the trans movement= trans bashing.

by Anonymousreply 249January 9, 2023 10:08 PM

R243 Righto. Well, I guess in that case it must be so, as this small, anonymous group of internet boomer-gays hath decreed it. Next time I'll think again before just assuming that I alone should be the one who gets to decide how I sexually identify.

by Anonymousreply 250January 9, 2023 10:21 PM

And of course, it wouldn't be a DL thread if it didn't end with some crotchety elder gay shaking his fist at the sky and Blaming The Trans Movement.

by Anonymousreply 251January 9, 2023 10:23 PM

Dear, you could always go back to whatever frau forum you crawled out of. They love self absorbed bores who can't get a concise thought out of their heads.

by Anonymousreply 252January 9, 2023 10:29 PM

My. How quickly I've moved from self-loathing bisexual to frau. All it takes apparently is having both a vagina and an opinion on human sexuality born after the Reagan era.

Please, go back to speaking for straight women everywhere. You, of course, know them best.

by Anonymousreply 253January 9, 2023 10:39 PM

All it takes are long multi paragraph posts where you talk about yourself and how you're #notlikeothergirls for you to go strictly into the annoying smug frau category.

by Anonymousreply 254January 9, 2023 10:43 PM

[quote]they're not as hung up on the gold star as lesbians are...

Tell that to 95% of people here.

by Anonymousreply 255January 9, 2023 10:44 PM

Not so much #notlikeothergirls as not like the embarrassingly retro understanding of female sexuality regularly espoused here on Fox & Gay Friends.

by Anonymousreply 256January 9, 2023 10:51 PM

[quote]this small, anonymous group of internet boomer-gays hath decreed it.

To clear this up, the main one you have been going back and forth with (me) on this matter is a lesbian and a millennial, r250. I stand by my statement, if you've ever found yourself sexually attracted to females, however minuscule, you are bisexual. Straights are not sexually attracted to the same sex [bold]at all[/bold] just as gays and lesbians are not sexually attracted to the opposite sex [bold]at all[/bold] and yes that includes many non-gold stars.

by Anonymousreply 257January 9, 2023 10:56 PM

The other thing about bisexuality is that it's incredibly threatening to those who have made their homosexuality into their entire personality.

by Anonymousreply 258January 9, 2023 11:01 PM

r258 I'm not "threatened" by bisexuals or bisexuality in the slightest. I have a serious problem with dishonesty. Many of them seem to try to twist bisexuality into something that it isn't. That's when it becomes dishonest. Many of them think that since they "primarily" lean toward one sex, but only occasionally sleep with or desire to sleep with the other sex that they're still '100% straight/gay.' No, baby. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

by Anonymousreply 259January 9, 2023 11:11 PM

R257 For the record, it is not your posts (while infuriatingly single-minded and a bit patronizing at times) that have riled me up.

But tell me this of your one drop rule, Millennial Lez—Let's say you stumble across a woman you found attractive on a dating site who listed herself as bisexual and you hit her up. You waste a bunch of time chatting about pleasantries and thinking this could be a great thing. Then she reveals to you that actually, she really has little to no desire for or interest in pussy. She hasn't touched one in over a decade and when she did, while not a totally unpleasant experience, it was not something she necessarily longed to recreate or that wet her pussy when she thought back on it. That she did have a bit of a crush on two particular lesbians in her entire 34-years on earth, but that said crushes did not involve lusting after their bodies, but rather their minds/personalities. And that she's pretty much exclusively just interested in dicks, but maybe-who-knows-someday JUST the right woman might come along to change that, but it's not a big deal if it never does.

You'd tell her to fuck right off with her queerbaiting, wouldn't you? I certainly know I would if I were you. THAT is why I do not identify as bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 260January 9, 2023 11:27 PM

And also for the record, R257, I do not think I ever tried to pass myself off as more lady-loving than I actually am in my original post, though I apologize for the confusion. I very clearly began it by identifying myself as a "mostly straight" woman. "Mostly straight" because while I've had a small handful of not strictly hetero sexual experiences, it is not something that shapes my present sexual appetites.

My original comment on this thread wasn't meant to be some navel-gazing pick-me-girl bullshit (the #notallwomen bit was meant, I thought pretty obviously, as a joke). I responded to a conversation featuring an assload of sweeping, speculative statements about the sexual attitudes of straight women at large regarding bisexual male partners, and, what with this being a public forum for which I pay a yearly membership, felt I had the right to contribute to on this particular subject by saying, yeah, that's just not entirely true. That I'm a cis/MOSTLY straight woman who also happens to not just tolerate, but prefer bisexual male partners, and in fact, I've known a good number of other women who feel the same. That it does not happen to make me insecure (though plenty of other things do). That it does not make me worried for my sexual health. That it does not threaten my image of their masculinity. I find it hot. I find it hot for them. That. Is. All.

by Anonymousreply 261January 10, 2023 12:22 AM

[quote]But tell me this of your one drop rule, Millennial Lez—Let's say you stumble across a woman you found attractive on a dating site who listed herself as bisexual and you hit her up.

Let me stop you right there. This would never happen because I specifically check profiles and the second I see "bisexual" I swipe left. I prefer not to date bi women. As for the rest of the scenario in your post, considering how most dating apps are structured, I would wonder why she was on an app looking for women in the first place if she's only primarily interested in dick, much how I'm wondering why you bothered to say you're "mostly straight" if you didn't want that detail challenged while apparently sharing the sentiments/views of this fictional bisexual woman from your example.

by Anonymousreply 262January 10, 2023 12:29 AM

R259 Well, if what I said doesn't describe you, then it's not about you, is it???

by Anonymousreply 263January 10, 2023 12:44 AM

r263 Well, in that case, the only people threatened by bisexuality are actual bisexuals since they stay trying to change its definition to everything except bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 264January 10, 2023 1:01 AM

Naaaaaaaah R264, it's like I said. The people who have made homosexuality their identity are threatened by bisexuals because:

a) they are 'appropriating our struggle' (and without my struggle I am nothing) or b) they are 'in denial about their true selves' (because if they weren't, they'd be like me) or c) they can 'put their straight privilege on any time they like' (because if gay life doesn't mean pain, and shame, then you are doing it wrong) or d) they 'hate gay men and/or women' (because I have decided in advance that I am hated and will ignore any evidence to the contrary).

Of course given that bisexuality is tied up with millennials/Gen Z in the minds of many of these people there's a lot of standard hatred for anyone younger and conventionally hotter mixed in there too.

Hope DL enjoyed the free therapy ;)

by Anonymousreply 265January 10, 2023 1:23 AM

Concerned just wants to fuck bi guys, so he is acting as their knight in shining armor on DL.

Don't trust him bi whores, or you will end butt hurt 😁.

by Anonymousreply 266January 10, 2023 2:03 AM

I believe that our "mostly straight" lady is in fact a straight woman, who just made out drunk with few girls on parties to attact male attention when she was 20.

by Anonymousreply 267January 10, 2023 2:08 AM

[quote]r257 Straights are not sexually attracted to the same sex at all just as gays and lesbians are not sexually attracted to the opposite sex at all

How do you define “sexually attracted”? I don’t know that it’s all so clear cut. I had sex with a few girls in my teens (just as some straight guys had sex with other guys in theirs) but I don’t think that makes me bi. To this day I find some women titillating in some way… is that being “sexually attracted”?

Brooke Shields said in an interview that she’s straight, but that it she meets or sees women she’s attracted to every day. I mentioned it to a (young) straight woman I worked with at the time and she said, “That’s so true.”

I don’t think you can be so surgically precise about it with the majority of people. A sexual identity or response can unfold with time under different circumstances, and many people can’t understand it themselves, so an outsider surely can’t.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 268January 10, 2023 2:32 AM

R268 you are way overthinkinking. I believe when Brooke and your fraulein say attracted they mean admiring other women, not wanting to eat their pussy. Probably the way I am attracted to a quite puppy when I see one on the street.

It is so hip to be fluid these days and people who want to be hip these days feel inadequate if they are only attracted to one sex, particularly women. But guess what, majority of adult people are hopelessly monosexual.

by Anonymousreply 269January 10, 2023 2:45 AM

[quote]How do you define “sexually attracted”? I don’t know that it’s all so clear cut.

Per the LBGT Center at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, sexual attraction is "attraction that makes people desire sexual contact or shows sexual interest in another person(s)." It is the state of having the desire for sexual contact with another person.

[quote]I had sex with a few girls in my teens (just as some straight guys had sex with other guys in theirs) but I don’t think that makes me bi.

If you enjoyed it and were sexually attracted to any of those girls yes it does, just as those "straight guys" are also bi. I'm not a gold star lesbian. But I never experienced sexual attraction to any guy that I was with. I just laid there and got "impaled." It was awful and mildly traumatizing. Because I was going against who I am and my true desires which includes women, not men.

[quote]To this day I find some women titillating in some way… is that being “sexually attracted”?

If you find yourself desiring to have sexual contact of any kind with these women then yes, that is being sexually attracted to them.

[quote]Brooke Shields said in an interview that she’s straight, but that it she meets or sees women she’s attracted to every day. I mentioned it to a (young) straight woman I worked with at the time and she said, “That’s so true.”

There are many different forms of attraction. Sexual is merely one form of attraction. It is possible to experience [bold]aesthetic attraction[/bold] toward other people wherein you admire their looks but have no desire to have sexual contact with them.

[quote]I don’t think you can be so surgically precise about it with the majority of people. A sexual identity or response can unfold with time under different circumstances, and many people can’t understand it themselves, so an outsider surely can’t.

Please see r231 for a little more clarity on this.

by Anonymousreply 270January 10, 2023 2:45 AM

I meant cute puppy.

by Anonymousreply 271January 10, 2023 2:49 AM

r268, you are not helping the situation. It's so frustrating when it's gay or in your case "gay" men who keep preaching and worshipping the damn fluidity pattern. Do you spring that "female attraction" bullshit on any man who is interested in you. How the fuck are you lying around at home jerkin off to some female and telling the world you are gay? That is so cringe and duplicitous.

Concerned European, who the fuck are you to come of this forum and start gaybashing? You're the textbook definition of a bisexual cunt. And you're agist as fuck, thoroughly a repugnant piece of self-important Gen Z shit. Take your Eldergay and shove it up your ass. Plenty of us were here making Datalounge what it is when you shitting your diapers, don't show up here and think we care about your immature fuckery., Johnny-come-lately!

by Anonymousreply 272January 10, 2023 3:43 AM

[quote]r272 Take your Eldergay and shove it up your ass. Plenty of us were here making Datalounge what it is when you were shitting your diapers... Johnny-come-lately!

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 273January 10, 2023 4:02 AM

[quote]r272 You are not helping the situation.

You mean, your agenda.

by Anonymousreply 274January 10, 2023 4:03 AM

R265 is SPOT ON! Drop the mic bro! You have done your civic duty for this thread. R261 stand strong. Don't let these insecure gays in here decide your sexuality for you. They haven't lived your life and experiences and certainly can't tell any anonymous poster here what they are or who they are through a screen. They can't relate and so therefore it's not real in their eyes. It's hilariously sad and ironic that a group who fought for people who are different are unaccepting of the differences in their own community. A tad hypocritical as well.

by Anonymousreply 275January 10, 2023 4:55 AM

[quote]It's hilariously sad and ironic that a group who fought for people who are different are unaccepting of the differences in their own community.

r275 I don't know about anyone else, but I've been specifically arguing for the differences between bisexuality and straight or gay. I've quite sternly been advocating that if one experiences any sexual attraction whatsoever to both sexes, and/or has had enjoyable sexual encounters with both sexes that they'd be "open to exploring again," they're bisexual.

If anything, those insisting that a straight or gay person who has had both gay and straight sexual experiences and openly admits to finding both sexes "titillating" is somehow still straight/gay are ironically advocating for "bi erasure." My argument is that bisexuals need to be more honest and stop dancing around the bisexual identity and accept it for what it is; any sexual attraction for both sexes. That is all.

by Anonymousreply 276January 10, 2023 6:33 AM

The girl titillating R268.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 277January 10, 2023 7:48 AM

R272 Imagine bragging about having spent 25 years on this forum and thinking that's a flex.

OK buddy.

by Anonymousreply 278January 10, 2023 10:25 AM

R262 If exclusively straight is a Kinsey 0 and exclusively gay is a Kinsey 6, I would consider heteroflexible to be a Kinsey 1 and homoflexible a Kinsey 5. Bisexual would be between a Kinsey 2-4. Hetero/homoflexible are valuable qualifiers within the bisexual spectrum. You are only seeing one shade of gray between straight and gay, and that shade is bisexual. But I think knowing whether a potential dating partner is a fog gray or a charcoal gray is enormously informative. I would probably feel that allowing myself to fall in love with a homoflexible man would be a pretty big risk. A gay person would and should probably share the same resignation about falling for a heteroflexible person.

To put it another way, replace "straight" with carnivore and "gay" with vegan. Everyone in between eats both animal products and plants. But as a vegan, you'd probably appreciate knowing whether that person in the middle is a vegetarian or keto because one would be far more aligned with your diet than the other.

by Anonymousreply 279January 10, 2023 4:08 PM

r279 The "sexual" portion of the terms hetero/homo/bisexual refers to the sexes male and female and which group one prefers to have or enjoys having sexual contact with.

Sexual: Relating to, involving, or characteristic of sex or sexuality, or the sex organs and their functions.

For example, mammals reproduce sexually (by the meeting of female and male gametes of the species to produce offspring). It 100% refers to biological sex. Bi means two. Bisexual refers to a desire for any sexual contact with both sexes. The terms hetero/homoflexible are thus redundant and unnecessary. There are no "levels" of bisexuality. All that is needed is to have a sexual desire and/or attraction for both sexes.

by Anonymousreply 280January 10, 2023 5:01 PM

R280 Of course there are LEVELS of sexuality. That is the entire purpose of the Kinsey scale. If there were no levels of bisexuality than why did Kinsey not just make the scale 1-straight, 2-bisexual, and 3-gay? Maybe these qualifications are redundant to you, because you are 100% on one end of the scale, but they are not to those who lie somewhere in the middle. I honestly can't understand why you're so hung up on it and what about it offends you so.

by Anonymousreply 281January 10, 2023 5:10 PM

r281 To clarify what I mean by saying there are "no levels" to bisexuality, I mean these levels do not suddenly denote a new term/word (i.e. heteroflexible/homoflexible). It's still just bisexual. Yes, I agree there are different levels of bisexuality if you look at it from a 'percentage' standpoint (i.e. 95% straight/gay and 5% gay/straight) but the shift in these percentages does not change the fact that it's still bisexuality. There is no need for a 'new term' to describe bisexuality. Bisexuality does that on its own.

I'm not offended. I'm irritated with this new culture where people insist on words that already exist changing their definitions based on 'how they feel.' It does come off as a way to make oneself seem more interesting or unique than just being a garden variety [insert sexual orientation here].

by Anonymousreply 282January 10, 2023 5:16 PM

R282 So to return to my vegan/carnivore analogy, if you, a vegan, were on a first date with someone who said that they also enjoy eating vegetables, you don't think it would be valuable to know whether that meant they were vegetarians or keto? Because it could apply to both.

by Anonymousreply 283January 10, 2023 5:20 PM

And as a side note, it's not a "new culture", the terms 'heteroflexible' and 'homoflexible' have been around since the 90's. People who are now in their 50's and even early 60's would have been using it to more clearly define their bisexuality. And even before the words were created, it would have been previously referred to, as I said before, a Kinsey 1 and Kinsey 5, respectively.

by Anonymousreply 284January 10, 2023 5:27 PM

Also, R282, you continue to contradict yourself. The chart that you yourself posted listed asexual attractions to same sex individuals as a valid shade of bisexuality, yet you mock Brooke Shields' self-described sexual fluidity because it doesn't involve her wanting pussy. And I don't blame you, because it's not just black and white and one shade of gray. But when someone describes themselves as "bisexual" the common implication is that they are presently and actively sexually attracted to, and willing to sexually and romantically engage in relationships with members of their own sex as well as the opposite sex, usually in close to equal measure. So, if you do not meet that very specific description, you can either spend an hour and a half detailing the nuances of your own particular proclivities and appetites, or you can just use a very convenient shorthand word to qualify them--hence, the existence of 'heteroflexible' and 'homoflexible'.

by Anonymousreply 285January 10, 2023 5:45 PM

So much twisting and rewriting and obfuscation to avoid being labeled as bisexual. It's sad to always deny who you really are.

by Anonymousreply 286January 10, 2023 5:47 PM

R286 Funny, since only 10-15 years ago (hell even presently in many cases), so many here denied the existence of bisexuality at all and called bisexuals gays in denial.

by Anonymousreply 287January 10, 2023 5:50 PM

To be fair many men claimed bisexuality prior to coming out as gay. So, many gay men saw it as nothing more than a cover and were suspicious, rightfully.

by Anonymousreply 288January 10, 2023 5:52 PM

R285 word salad. If you are willing to engage in sex and romance with both sexes you ARE bisexual. If you are only willing to with the opposite sex you are heterosexual, the same sex, homosexual.

These stupid slang terms-- heteroflexible, homoflexible --are nothing more than childish attempts to act edgy.

by Anonymousreply 289January 10, 2023 6:01 PM

R286 I would also say it's sad to require so much twisting and rewriting and obfuscating to deny who someone else really is just because you can't personally empathize with it.

by Anonymousreply 290January 10, 2023 6:02 PM

R289 If you are Millenial Lesbian, than I'm not sure why you contradicted yourself with that little chart of yours above which listed asexual same-sex attractions as valid forms of bisexuality.

by Anonymousreply 291January 10, 2023 6:05 PM

^**then

by Anonymousreply 292January 10, 2023 6:06 PM

R290 lol as if they would ever admit who they really are. Denial is the new reality.

by Anonymousreply 293January 10, 2023 6:11 PM

R278, stupid ass millennial. Your ass showed up here. You don't like why the fuck don't you leave? You're an idiot

by Anonymousreply 294January 10, 2023 8:38 PM

[quote]The chart that you yourself posted listed asexual attractions to same sex individuals as a valid shade of bisexuality,

r285 Point to the exact listing on the chart at r231 where I, apparently, did this. Because I have no idea what you're talking about.

by Anonymousreply 295January 11, 2023 2:52 AM

[quote][R282] So to return to my vegan/carnivore analogy, if you, a vegan, were on a first date with someone who said that they also enjoy eating vegetables, you don't think it would be valuable to know whether that meant they were vegetarians or keto?

If someone said they also like vegetables I wouldn't automatically assume they were vegetarians in the first place. To bring it back to the issue at hand, it'd be akin to someone saying they like sex after someone tells them they're gay/straight/bisexual. It means nothing because eating vegetables is not exclusive to vegans any more than having sex is exclusive to one sexual orientation, r283.

by Anonymousreply 296January 11, 2023 2:56 AM

Who cares what any of these axe wound bearing fish think? Aside from them finding it gross (hilarious, since 99% of women are carpet munchers themselves nowadays) it is probably because they can't control them like they can with straight men. Fish know how desperate, and how much of craven slaves, men are to their front holes. They use that to their leverage since they have little natural desire for men themselves. With bisexual men, they won't be able to be used as slaves to nearly the same extent as their hetero counterparts.

by Anonymousreply 297June 15, 2024 5:40 AM

I will only say this much....I am sooooo glad to be gay. Thank God. I would hate to have to be attracted to women. Seeing what my straight male friends put up with.....Christ Almighty.

by Anonymousreply 298June 15, 2024 6:12 AM
Loading
Need more help? Click Here.

Yes indeed, we too use "cookies." Take a look at our privacy/terms or if you just want to see the damn site without all this bureaucratic nonsense, click ACCEPT. Otherwise, you'll just have to find some other site for your pointless bitchery needs.

×

Become a contributor - post when you want with no ads!