Sebastian Croft

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How does Xavier Dolan know him? I saw him commenting Sebastian's post.

Joe liked these tweets, blocked some hateful fans, then started getting attacked for it which lead him to delete his twitter account altogether. Some fans are batshit crazy!!

Dolan was at the Ami show that Bash and Joe went to in Paris. He follows Bash, Joe, Will, and Kit so I think he’s also a fan of the show.

R3 Most interesting one he liked is the bullying one. They might not post online, but they are obviously aware of the shit that's been going on for months.

Also never got any clarification he blocked anyone but that one girl

[quote] We’re nearing the end of Joe and bash playing nicey nice I fear… I can tell they’re getting sick of it.

I’m always right

genuinely hope some of the rest of the cast and Alice etc at least like some tweets defending them. Rn Twitter is going the classic “Will Yaz and Kit would never!!” Meanwhile will actively loves Johnny depp who they hate bash over. After bash and Joe both defending Kit / RT and liking his stuff re the queerbaiting and maia controversies would be nice to see him have their back too.

I'm gonna need Kit to step up for once. Cause Joe has always stepped up for him whenever he's received hate.

He could throw up a story, but Joe might not want more attention to it. Don't think he should come back to twitter either. I think they should ignore it.

What I’m going to need is for people to stop pretending like this girl hasn’t had the nastiest things to say about joes boyfriend and that him blocking her was some sort of personal attack instead of a defensive strategy to get her to stay away from them. So many people are taking her side too. Fucking gross

Will has never had a twitter account. And Kit didn’t deactivate, but his last tweet is the one he made over a month ago announcing he was deleting twitter from his phone. I honestly think the best course of action would be for the entire cast to step back from twitter (Kizzy is the only one who still uses it). They should all just take a bunch of cute Halloween pictures together and post them on IG. It’s obvious entire cast adores Joe. They can all start posting pictures with him in their IG stories as a twitter free sign of solidarity.

R10 I see some people pushing back. The narrative that she's the sweetest person who has only defended Joe is fucking annoying. She's been blocked multiple time from her accounts for being hateful.

The last thing they’re gonna do is seek more validation from social media. They’ve made it quite clear that they don’t find it there. If anything we’ll see pics from afar of them all going and doing something together but I’d be surprised if any of them were active for the next week

R8 Kit has stepped up before, he was one of the people who spoke up when Joe was being called ugly. I'm slightly more concerned that Joe stuck his neck out for Bash and Bash stayed quiet even after Joe deactivated. They're the two in a relationship and the fallout of Bash's interview is what triggered Joe's reaction and the wave of hate against Joe. Right now, I'm choosing to believe that it's a decision they've all made to not further engage.

R12 This has gotten quite some attention as well

I don't know why she's mad. She kept saying Bash stans stay away

I think the harassment of the cast has gotten to the point that the people who should be stepping in and saying something are the “adults in the room.” Alice, Pat, anyone at Netflix. These kids shouldn’t be fending for themselves and each other to the detriment of their own mental health.

It's really past time. Alice stop crying about how busy you are and say something. They also think she's the ultimate victim of Joe's behavior right now.

It’s crazy to think that a random crew member (Rhys) has said something about how nuts the fandom is before the creator of the whole thing.

That was an all out witch hunt today, too much time on their hands, a definite mob mentality, they went all out to vilify joe for liking a tweet, the crux is they don't like joe or bash and needed a reason to hate on either of them, then they turn to each other and validate their feelings and check in on their mental health, while feeling justified in invalidating joe and driving him off twitter, which obviously has impacted his mental health at the same time. Make it make sense. Sorry I know this is a bash thread, is their a joe thread yet?

Do we really need to post countless tweets from fans here? Especially from that girl, she doesn’t seem right in the head.

I wonder if we’ll see their Halloween costumes. Bash was Willy Wonka and Joe was Charlie Bucket last year:

Joe threads kept getting deleted so just talk about Joe here. He's always been a part of Bash threads anyway

R21 I'd usually agree, but she's playing the victim and forcing a narrative that is false that's making people hate on Bash and Joe.

And we won't.

R20 No, we’ve been using this thread and the HS thread to talk about Joe.

There’s an interesting pinch point coming up a London Baby Queen gig on 1st November

You would expect most of the cast, in particular Joe and Bash, to be there she’s been their 3rd wheel almost as much as CJ in the past and is close to them all - she’s written songs for the show and they’ve appeared on stage with her before

And a lot of the twitter accounts involved in this sh*tshow are going as well

They all know who the big accounts are and what they look like they’ve met them enough times

I’m thinking if they go they’ll stay backstage but BQ is an edgy aspiring pop star not answerable to Netflix PR

Be interesting to see what happens

I also agree Alice needs to step up and say something These are two gay kids who are being bullied, threatened and harassed by an obsessed minority of (mainly) female fans who far as I can tell are (mainly) motivated by hatred of their relationship and inability to separate fact from fiction And a weirdly out of proportion hatred of a fictional character they created who is pretty unpleasant but is hardly the most evil being to draw breath and deserving of eternal damnation

I wasn’t expecting them at the Baby Queen gig since they’re shooting the show, to be honest. Bash is likely to be free but Joe’s been shooting a lot.

I'm looking through some of the accounts that are trying to cancel Joe and they're trying to cancel Kit as well...? What exactly is going to be left of the show if you cancel both leads and the supporting characters?

True but I figure they also get days off I’ll still be watching with interest if only to see BQ’s reaction

Dipping into the twitter cesspool it seems stable and mostly people not knowing what the hell is going on, there’s also a LOT of support for Joe (even more on Instagram and I’ve seen no hate there), a few calling out the dogpile for what it is but still thinking he owes an apology for something, a bit of weeping and wailing about hurt feelings, the odd thread of lies justifying the harassment that Netflix legal people really need to look at and a lot of the big accounts seem to have gone private

Tell you what if they stay that way or better still delete their “Stan” accounts the world would be better for it They really seem to think they’re owed comfort and attention from the cast for their hurt, triggered feelings even when they were hurt and triggered by something they created in their own heads It’s borderline scary af

R26 all that will be left is angry teens talking to themselves about how right they are. I honestly don’t even think that group likes the show, they just like to fight with people online.

Those accounts have been preaching the Kit queerbaiting angle from the start r26, they’re just trying to be relevant again with the new drama.

This tweet defending them getting some traction, I do think there are some sane people who are becoming aware of the situation and how ridiculous it is.

Alice never speaks up and it's actually so annoying. Like you see the Percy Jackson writers go all out to defend the cast when they get harassed and here we are stuck with Alice who only knows how to cry about the stress Heartstopper filming be causing her every alternate day.

Eh it’s only 6 am they might say something but I doubt it. She knows she’s gonna get thrown to the sharks too.

There's no point in speaking up. The people who need to hear it won't listen.

Bash and Joe have been getting hated on for months and Alice has not said a thing. If she did I have no doubt she’d get attacked too. I’m wondering if anything will be said today, by anyone in the cast.

In Italy this morning?

Why would he be there and not go to the premiere of his film? Seems a bit odd

What does this mean? There was no pic of bash and joe having sex I know that because if there was it would be on this site in a matter of seconds

Good GOD you are tiresome. Go fanpost somewhere else. SO SICK OF YOU STINKING UP THIS PLACE. He's a homely, weasley that NOBODY cares about. GIVE IT A REST.

R35 R36 And still no fan photo, very strange. It’s day 2 of the festival where the film premiered, I’m not sure why he’d be there though.

I think it's probably just them seeing his stories and assuming that's where he is

R40 Yeah and the one yesterday probably mistaken identity

In light of all this interesting to rewatch the videos from set before this whole shitstorm yesterday. The rest of them all hanging out and dancing around and Joe staring at his phone scrolling / texting furiously, probably about the hate bash was getting. This seems like a “straw that broke the camel’s back” situation for him and bash. Firstly neither did anything wrong but even if they had they’re literally teenagers. The pressure is unhinged

R37 I think it was fan art. If they released a sex tape, DL definitely would have found it.

Connor Jessup is friends with Xavier Dolan and I think Dolan probably met Sebastian and Joe at a fashion show in Paris when they were with Jessup. That's the connection.

R37 Closest thing I can think of is the Instagram story where Joe joked about being God’s work.

Saw Kit posted a story and was curious if it was him posting one with Joe/bash as a FU but it’s just him and will. Kind of random as I doubt they’re filming today but whatever.

Doubt bash is in Italy; it looks like Wade who was the lead and doesn’t seem to have anything else lined up that he’s currently working on isn’t there so would be surprised if bash was. Now that Sony is distributing it we’ll likely see him at the UK and/or US premiers.

R37 I think she’s just an idiot or bad writer. I think it might be about that fantasybliss account which speculated that they switch during sex because “most men do” and she could imagine bash bottoming as well (?). Obviously a fucking weirdo for that but literally a singular account whereas maira and her friends are a vocal minority of horrible people

Yeah, the Kit story was a bit disappointing - I really do think that he or Alice need to say something. This is far too much on Joe and we need to stop the ‘he’s invalidating SA victims’ garbage before it spreads any further. What a horrible thing to be tainted with, after the innocent wholesomeness that is Heartstopper.

Maybe Kit has no idea what's going on, since neither Bash nor Joe are as vocal or as manipulative as he.

They could do something vague, but otherwise it'll become some huge thing. Problem is things are getting very twisted. Especially concerning the person he blocked. People are coming in late, asking what happen and being sent to a tweet thread with bad and biased information that says Joe invalidated SA victims and blocked anyone who was trying to hold him accountable. Though there's lot of support too if you search him and Bash.

Anyway, I think this will blow over but Joe's not posting anything on social media for a long time.

Not to sound dramatic, but is there anything else we can do? I know I don’t even know the guy but I’m feeling quite antsy about the fact that he’s probably in a dark place at the moment - and I already got the impression that his mental health was iffy with social media and sudden fame anyway.

Interestingly, I’ve been responding to quite a lot of the ridiculous/hate tweets - a bit angrily but generally respectfully - and normally I’d expect a shitstorm but I’ve had a fair few likes and zero angry responses. So either people are a bit scared to keep slagging Joe, or the vast majority of people are on Joe’s side.

They’re no doubt talking this through on their gc and supporting that way rather than going public.

R50 I agree this will blow over but I do genuinely feel incredibly bad for him. Seems pretty clear his boyfriend was upset about what was going down and drained and decided to post a clarification tweet to deal with the hate. Joe who has experienced more than his own fair share of hate likes an admittedly snarky tweet saying bash is the bigger person for addressing this when what he originally meant was clear. He didn’t say or like anything that said “empathy for Ben is good”. Just legitimately that the clarification bash gave was self evident in the original quote. That + deciding he didn’t want to see or interact with accounts that constantly shit talk his boyfriend is now being turned into the “fuck joe locke, Kit will and Yaz would NEVER” movement.

I really wouldn’t be surprised if he declined to do a fourth season of the show; as much as HS has been great for them all in a lot of ways (both professionally re opportunities and fame, and personally - joe and bash obviously met making the show) the amount it’s fucked with all their mental health, including the other cast as well, is wild.

Maybe kit try to stop people from talking about the drama? cause most of hstwt only care about him anyway

R51 Honestly he could just be pissed off and left before the situation escalated further and he tweeted something. I don't really think this surprises him and he probably has been aware of the fan behavior for awhile. Social media is bad for his mental health, but he's also known that.

I was going to do to a deep dive getting receipts of their behavior towards Bash today, but a lot in that group have locked down their accounts. And word is deleted a lot of things yesterday to make it seem like they haven't been trolling the shit out of Bash for 6 months. They only gave a shit about Joe when they thought he'd support how they acted and they always hated Bash. This person is the one who said Bash was Joe's abuser, but deleted that tweet and she's piling on calling them terfs now among other things.

R51 His Mum was spotted yesterday on set, plus looks like Bash is still in London, I think he's got a pretty solid support system on hand luckily.

This TikTok was shared on the HS thread yesterday before everything happened. It’s so different to watch now that we know how the day progressed. Everyone is dancing around having fun but Joe, who is staring at his phone the entire time.

Also interesting that his mom is onset. Was she already planning to visit? Or did she come because he was stressed and upset already? Yesterday was just the last straw. Joe’s been ready to snap for a while.

1) Do you care about Joe/Bash or do you care about making everything about Kit? Because Kit chiming in 14 hours later would only rile up the fans again. This is a specific situation that hasn't gone beyond a couple hundred people on Twitter and only a handful of those people actually think Joe is invalidating SA victims. A person that isn't entrenched in the fan base will never hear about all of this.

2) Bringing this to the attention of Kit's four million followers on Instagram at this point would only hurt Joe and Bash, who are the priority here, and it would extend the shelf life of drama that's already dying down. Kit addressing would also mean the story runs a higher risk of being picked up by the media.

3) Calling an 18 year-old that's been affected by the same toxic fan base manipulative is certainly strange. I have to assume it's the same person that kept repeatedly posting about Kit's fans yesterday. You don't need to foist your obsession with him on the rest of us.

4) I think R17 is right that Alice is the one that needs to step up here. Not to put a target on Joe and Bash's back, but to make a general statement about the fans's behaviour.

r57 Someone in the HS thread mentioned that it’s half term and Joe’s mom is a teacher. Planned visit makes sense.

R58 Agree. Kit is the most famous of them, he doesn't need to say shit. He just went through crap where he made things a bigger deal than it needed to be by tweeting about something.

Alice on the other hand is annoying as shit acting like she's the most suffering person in the world while her young cast members continue to go through crap on social media for over a year.

R58 I think it’s a fair point that Alice needs to step up both as the adult and as the person who wrote Ben. Even Saying something about how it’s useful to have empathy in the back of your mind writing and acting characters even when they’re horrible people would still pander to the crowd while showing joe and bash some support.

Unrelated note but it’s also interesting to me to see the people who are mad on Twitter both saying “don’t presume I don’t have the right to be hurt, you don’t know my story, I’m a SA victim” and also lambasting joe because he “doesn’t understand their hurt as SA victims”. To be clear not saying he is / highly doubt he is but how can they both say “you never know who’s a victim” and then also presume joe definitely isn’t one at all

If Alice had no issue blurring professional boundaries when it came to becoming friends with Joe and Bash and spending time with them outside of the show then she should have no problem pushing herself to defend them (and the rest of the cast). Just saying.

R61 interesting point. I highly doubt Joe is a victim, but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Bash was. He had a lot more opportunities to meet people when he was younger and likely has some toxic ex’s. I doubt Bash would classify himself as a “victim” but I’m also guessing the trauma may of these young fans have faced is extremely mild and really nothing more than a bad breakup.

The idea that Alice, or Bash, or Joe, or anyone, owes a handful of Twitter psycho-stans explanations or apologies for a cast member's perfectly innocent interview is incredible; why would they give these lunatics the satisfaction of acceding to their demands? They are absolute nobodies and many are clearly delusional.

Kit recognised the toxic reality of Twitter and deleted it. He still has a thriving career and has not been cancelled, in fact quite the contrary. His cast-mates might consider following his lead.

R64 to be fair I think acting like Kit just deleted the app very sensibly and quietly and didn’t post a tweet about how he was going to do so is a bit unfair and doesn’t make a tonne of sense here. Obviously joe also deleted it as his account is literally deactivated. Neither he nor bash had been active for a while aside from the occasional work related RT before yesterday; it seems like even being mostly off Twitter things built up and they burst. Don’t blame Kit for deleting it and agree it hasn’t hurt his career to do so but Joe is getting absolutely battered on Twitter right now in a way Kit was not pre deletion.

Joe hasn't blocked anyone who has hated on him personally in a year of lots of horrible crap, including death threats. The shit that girl was saying must have really upset him or Bash for him to act like that. She's also the one using his name the most to hate on Bash. I'm assuming he would have blocked more if he stayed on twitter.

R64 I don't think they owe them either an apology or an explanation, but a defense against what's going on. And I wouldn't normally care but this shit has gone on for too long. Even Joe fans accounts were piling on yesterday calling him out.

This crew member cannot stop himself from wading into fandom drama. If he’s going to tweet about it can he at least support joe/bash?

R64 Kit and Joe both lashed out before ultimately removing themselves from the situation and I don’t blame them. They’re young and the kind of shit that gets lobbed at them is frankly insane.

R67 I’m interested in who exactly pre-warned him.

R64 that’s the drama. Joe deactivated his twitter today. He didn’t just delete the app from his phone like Kit, he did that month ago. He deactivated, essentially blocking his 850,000 followers at once. Kit shouldn’t say anything to bring more attention to it, but posting a selfie with Joe would have been a sign of support. Instead he posted a selfie with Will.

All the cast should just start sharing previously unseen pictures with Joe and not say anything. The vast majority of the fans love Joe and won’t be able to resist sharing them. Twitter will return to people reposting the same picture over and over and the cast ignoring everyone.

That crew member - ugh.

Alice is the one who should be stepping in and up, if anyone, although as others have said, it’s a tiny minority making all the noise. Out there on insta and in the real world nobody knows or cares about this. It’ll blow over soon enough, like all the other hstwt dramas.

That story from Kit today was just weird. Why, Kit, why?

R67 Funny thing is they were hating on him too for getting involved in fandom issues and think he should remove himself from the fandom.

My point remains that, Twitter DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.

That Joe is getting trashed or whatever on that platform means absolutely nothing, this has been going on in one form or other for a year. Filming continues, fans are excited about season 2, his relationship continues, his career is evolving. No one needs give a shit about what hormonal teenagers are saying on Twitter, demanding explanations and apologies, issuing threats, wailing and crying, etc ad nauseum.

If Joe has indeed dumped Twitter he will be all the better for it, as no doubt Kit has discovered.

R69 Yeah, totally agree about the cast posting pics of/with Joe. Kit could easily post a photo of them together (maybe with Bash too) on his story with ‘love these guys’ or something similar. Supportive, but doesn’t draw attention to the Twitter drama to those who aren’t aware.

The fact that he posted a pic of him and Will this morning is odd timing, but there we go.

R72 I see what you’re saying, but Joe is human and he can’t just say to himself that ‘Twitter doesn’t matter’ when he’s getting hundreds or even thousands of hate messages. He hasn’t had this level of hate before. It ‘matters’ if it’s negatively affecting his mental health - which it’s safe to assume it is because he wouldn’t do something as dramatic as deactivating Twitter otherwise.

I've re-evaluated this situation and now think that, while we're still talking about it, Joe and Bash moved on. Joe deleting his Twitter marked the end of the problem for them. It's why Bash never bothered to defend Joe in return and why the rest of the cast is acting like nothing happened.

R75 I’d love this to be the case, but sadly I doubt it. It’s probably affecting Bash less than Joe cos he seems more secure in himself, but I suspect Joe probably hates the world right now. Hopefully he’s getting a lot of support behind the scenes.

R74 Joe deleting Twitter is the one and only sure way not to have to engage with that toxid shit, there is no reason he should have to be held to ransom by psychotic and abusive stans. There is simply no reasoning with these people, what other real option does he have but to walk away?

Bash is probably off twitter for good.

Have to see how it turns out, but some fans want Joe to think about what he's done, come back and apologize and unblock anyone he blocked. I actually don't think he's as upset about it as some people think. Might feel therapeutic. This shit was a very long time coming.

And they'll totally post Joe as Charlie anyway and there's still a lot of support for Joe and Bash anyway and any new content of Joe isn't going to be ignored by any of his fans. It's just weeding out the people who never gave a shit about him.

That TikTok of them filming and Joe just on his phone and then walking away from the others messing around spoke volumes.

Good on him from walking away from twt- better late than never.

I do feel sorry for the majority of fans quietly enjoying the cast’s interactions that have been taken away from them (and us) thanks to a tiny minority of obsessed and delusional people.

R78 I can see him posting a clarification at some point in the next few days but wording it kind of like bash did - not “I’m so extremely sorry”, more “my like was meant to show support for a misinterpreted and translated quote that led to Bash getting a lot of hate. Obviously neither of us supports or condones sexual assault in any way”. Can also see him just keeping the account deactivated for as long as he can and wouldn’t blame him. St the end of the day he still has 3.3 million IG followers so clearly this isn’t impacting his popularity but to be fair I was less concerned about this impacting his or bash’s careers and more about their mental health.

Will say on a more lighthearted note he and bash really don’t seem to give a shit about people guessing they’re a thing. Not just the snarky likes but also liking an account with a pic of him and bash literally called “JoeBash candy”. Fairly funny

R80 That's part of the issue is that Joe liked a tweet from a JoeBash account and one they've had fights with in the past. Those fans are pissed since they've been fighting against the 'allegations' that he's dating Bash forever

Celebs really don't need twitter. They mostly use IG anyway. Good time to dump it with everything going on. I think he's probably got the weekend off and spending it with his mom before she goes home so unless he says something in the next few hours he won't come back and restart the drama again.

R81 Yeah, that was a well-timed supportive mum visit! They seem close.

R82 they all seem close, quite cute. Joes family all wore bash’s tshirts to IOM pride and bash and joes mum were super affectionate at Pride and the NTAs, obviously joe and his mum are really close, bash and his family are really tight, and bash’s parents and siblings clearly adore joe. he lived with them while bash was away filming which is wild to me. Nice they have all their support network with them in London this weekend

Whilst there is a lot of nasty stuff on twitter, as more fans check their accounts and come online there is a huge outwaving of support, neither of them are cancelled that's for sure, and it's becoming clear it is overall a small % of the fans, it just looked like more as they tweeted over and over again

It will blow over I think they’ve all been told to stay quiet and not feed the fire

It’s still mostly support and wtf on twitter searches most of those responsible switching to a disgusting “we all make mistakes he just needs to come back and own it” type crap

The entitlement and pressure from them for a 19 year old kid to be on call to validate and condole with their every emotion however unhinged is awful and disturbing

They accused them both to supporting abusers and SA and “invalidating” SA survivors when nothing like that ever happened outside their heads They should be apologising and facing legal consequences not indulged and “validated”

They have no self awareness very little grasp on reality and have behaved as a baying mob of bullies

It’s really good to see that hate account on the defensive after acting the victim There’s quite a few fan accounts on there doing a sterling job of fighting back and they’re throwing around plenty of screen grabs of her history of abuse against Bash

It's the same big accounts that started it with Joe who have been on the forefront of the Bash hate the last year that people are afraid to go against, but more people are supporting Joe now. Those who started the shit all went private while everyone else is confused. Some people doing the lord's work spreading around screenshots of the stuff the blocked girl has said about Bash which is changing some opinions.

I really wanted a screenshot of the voodoo comments from her friend though. Pretty sure she also liked/cosigned it too

This tweet is spot on and is gaining a fair bit of traction. And most of the responses are supportive, from what I can see. Seems that sanity is prevailing (or at least, drowning out the idiots).

R85 do you have examples of the “if he apologizes it will be ok” tweets? Just curious, I feel like I’ve seen the extremes of “he betrayed us” and then the sane people thinking he did nothing wrong but haven’t seen much “switch up” yet

Just search Joe and Bash on twitter. For once it's not filled with politics. There's some people hoping he comes back and apologizes. The weirdest shit is the entitled fans who think because they got into twitter arguments Joe owes them something.

Currently though things are rapidly moving towards are we the baddies.gif

R89 thanks. Do love that so much of the “wow he deactivated? Can’t even take accountability” crowd went private when they started getting backlash. Decent amount of hypocrisy. Alice and Patrick really need to get on joint releasing a statement with See Saw or Netflix, just vaguely reminding fans this is a young cast and while discourse is welcomed hate is not etc etc. not sure it’ll do much good but given kit, Yaz and Will are being propped up as the good guys and Alice as a “victim” of evil joe, would be good to be clear they’re on his side.

Yeah, I’m surprised no one has spoken up yet - I agree that we don’t wanna draw too much attention to it, but Joe at least retweeted/liked Kit’s tweet when he left Twitter, and so far nothing from Kit. And Joe’s hate has definitely been worse - much of it from people he recently met at the convention which makes the whole thing weirder and more real.

R91 joe and bash have always gotten crazy high amounts of hate comparative to the rest of the cast. Prime example is the JD thing - bash liked a random tweet about him going back to POTC and followed him after the trial and got reamed for it; meanwhile Will said he wanted JD To play him in a film and Corinna liked his actually victory post snd crickets. Bash got lambasted over a mistranslation and Joe over liking s snarky tweet after seeing his boyfriend get shit on and it’s like a firing squad; Leila who’s the new sahar actress posts a lot about loving Ricky Gervais and people say maybe she’s just unaware of his anti trans jokes and no one should call her out. I can see some of the cast liking vague allusions to the situation in support but not liking or saying anything direct, mostly to let it die down. One of them posting an IG story with Joe or liking something vague about how “putting celebrities on a pedestal and demanding things of them is unhealthy” seems most likely if any of them do anything at all

Joe's always only been useful if he does cute fanservice with Kit, otherwise they don't give a crap about him. Him being close to Bash has always made people mad, it's why they are so against them dating when they don't have much problem supporting Maia fully. Bash being popular even if he plays Ben has also always pissed them off.

And the Ben shit should really be something they take up with Alice, not Bash. They are acting like Bash forced See Saw and Netflix to hire him and expand his role

She needs help. Making it sound like a break up or something.

R94 do you follow her or is someone else posting ss? I have to confess I have a morbid curiosity abt what else she’s tweeting, like watching a car crash

It's not a miscommunication. Joe hates you. Despite her friends trying to pull that Joe was randomly blocking anyone who dared to try to "educate" him, he blocked her specifically for a reason. We can guess why. Actually surprised he didn't get to the rest of them. We know the cast might not talk much, but they see the crap going on in the fandom. She never tweeted at him or Bash so he went to her account.

There are half a dozen or more instances in the last couple months of that gang going completely crazy shitting on Bash. The JD thing, liking fanart of some random creator they hate, how they spent the summer cropping him out of pictures of him and Joe or putting something over his face, deciding he was a nepo baby, Netflix posting Joe, Bash and Kit (where Joe wanted a travel show), the con invite, NTA's randomly had them hating Bash, but they got distracted, and the latest is the Ben interview. He probably knew about all of it.

R92 I think the fandom is mostly why privileged kids and they're scared of criticizing the nonwhite cast tbh, and then Kit escapes it because they think he's hot.

*white

R97 partly the hot thing and partly frankly that many of them claim to be fluid and unlabeled rather than just gay or lesbian. Of course bisexual people are very real and I’m sure a percentage of them are fans on twt but I think a lot of the fans are obsessed with Nick and Kit because not being “fully gay” is more appealing to them.

[quote]joe and bash have always gotten crazy high amounts of hate comparative to the rest of the cast

Joe, yes. Putting him on the same level as Bash is disingenuous. Yesterday should be proof enough. Bash was getting much less hate than Joe was with the misquote. It only blew up when Joe became involved. The level of hate they get goes Joe >>>>>>> Kit >>> Bash >>>>> the rest of the cast.

Bash gets the most hate among fans. Joe and Kit get more hate from random people.

R100 I say comparative meaning the size of their roles too. Joe gets more for sure, I agree - but I think the most apt comparison is him and Kit because their roles are much larger. Comparing bash to other side characters he gets constant shit.

Idk what others have seen but I've seen some tweets defending Joe get traction now that some time has passed, especially from people who are not as deep in the heartstopper twitter fandom, anyone who is not deep in the groupthink looks at this situation and just sees how insane hs twitter is.

I still haven’t seen anything at all yet unless I go looking, so this hasn’t made it very far outside of the HS fans overall. But when I go looking it’s basically died out.

This entire thread had me laughing. Brutal but pretty true

Tobie liked this. Love him for that!

Good thread but unfortunately they have zero followers so not a lot of people will see it

R107 I think this person set up a new account just to express these opinions - they only joined this month and don't have any previous tweets.

R106 Yes Tobie! This is exactly how you do it. The rest of the cast need to follow suit now.

R106 glad someone is showing support

R106 Nice. And it's a bit funny Joe, Bash and the cast have zero issue with those blatant shipping accounts. No wonder those people who are hating Joe are so mad. They've been defending his purity and saying he's not getting fucked by Bash for nearly two years

R110 What makes you say that they all have zero issue with shipping accounts?

Saying that Joe likes or doesn't like shipping accounts is projecting. The reply that Joe liked was the first one under Bash's post.

I wasn't being that serious, but the tweet Joe liked was from a pretty obvious shipping account with a cringy name and a picture of Joe and Bash, Joe has replied to that Asa girl before as well, a massive Joe and Bash shipper who has a pinned tweet about his valentine's dinner with Bash, Tobi liked that tweet, the person who he blocked was anti-Bash and hated the idea of them dating. I think the idea that they have zero clue about what people are tweeting has pretty much been debunked.

Let's just say he's got more issue with people hating than people who like to post cute pictures of him and his boyfriend.

The Asa person on Twitter is really familiar to me but I don't know why - maybe they tweeted something particularly memorable at some point.

Joe replied to her about his eye color. She DM'd the guy who saw them on Joe's birthday and found out they were with Bash's parents. Also you'll see her in every Joe and Bash tweet being subtle about wanting more information.

How is this normal? All of them need help.

R115 yeah they are definitely a bit too into Joe and Bash but they also have been one of the more reasonable people in this whole thing

Bash is on IG replying to Omar's post

R116 Apparently it's normal to have a comfort people even if they didn't ask to be that and they are teenagers and you are nearly 30. I'd say seek help but seems like Joe the current a topic when they got to therapy

R116 a 26 year-old being involved with this is absolutely embarrassing, at least most of the people involved with this have the excuse of being a teenager

R118 they're all autistic so apparently its ok

To be honest they project s lot onto the cast that I’m skeptical of. Aside from this set of antics they’re also all convinced the cast would hate anyone who didn’t respect neo pronouns like “skull” and “star” and “corpse” (a real one that one of the HStwt users insists on) and cite kizzy and Alice who use they as their reasoning

Corpse.... hahahaha. I've heard it all now.

The “shipping” thing is insane to me some of them seem to really believe that Joe and Bash are more offended by people acknowledging they’re in a relationship than the obsessive harassment and that’s the reason they’ve distanced from social media? And the fact the tweet Joe liked was from a blatant shipping account seems to have fried their brains more than anything else

The truth is they just can’t cope with the reality they never had the exclusive insight and ownership they thought they had and they can’t cope They are genuinely behaving like they’ve been cheated on by a spouse All this is making me glad “Stan culture” didn’t exist like this when I was young

I’m also very uncomfortable it’s the two highest profile openly gay cast members who are always being hounded

A few pics in the Heartstopper thread - seems they're filming today.

Bash isn't openly gay.

[quote]the two highest profile [bold]openly gay[/bold] cast members

Joe and Tobie or Joe and Kizzy?

R126 kizzy isn’t gay

R127 Kizzy is definitely the most open, even more so then Joe. Kizzy just has a complicated orientation. I feel like the term queer was invented for people like Kizzy. They are non-binary but currently taking testosterone and using they/him pronouns. They are dating another non-binary person. Both Kizzy and their partner were female at birth. Maybe they aren’t “gay”, but they definitely aren’t straight.

They are working that cast insanely hard if they’re filming today and tmr. Do they ever get a decent rest. Their schedule feels brutal.

Joe said in an interview months ago that he couldn’t stop crying one day on set while filming s1, because he was too tired and they had to send him home. He shared it as a funny story, but it really isn’t funny. Know he’s currently working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week makes his recent twitter incident even worse. The guy must be exhausted, physically and emotionally.

R128 to be clear I believe kizzy is really out (not sure how “more so” than joe), just quite literally not gay. Yaz is also out, just not gay. Kizzy has said they prefer the term queer I think. Overall quite a queer cast which i guess is to be expected for this project

R129 the days are long I’m sure but my guess is they’ll get a weekday or two off instead. Friday through Sunday are the easiest days to book rooms at uni / filn there which is likely the reason for this schedule.

Don’t know what UK labor laws are like but I would be surprised if they’re working 7 days a week, I think they just have the occasional weekend shoot because of locations and actor schedules (like the actor who plays Ajayi only being available on the weekends). They’re likely compensated with days off during the week.

They might have had off during the week. Joe and Bash were seen shopping a couple days ago apparently.

R134 that was last weekend

An old tweet from the girl joe blocked. Certainly aged poorly but quite funny

Can someone tell this annoying ass crew member that unless he’s going to tweet or like something supporting joe the stupid vague tweets making this about himself are unwelcome?

R137 Ugh, annoying. He already said goodbye in a previous tweet, why is he dramatically announcing it again? To be honest, I found him vaguely annoying in the vlogs too.

R138 just kind of pathetic generally to use teenage cast of the show you work on for clout (or in joes case to whine about how he’s hotter than you) but if you’re going to do it at least actually stick up for them.

Leila (new cast member) liked Bash's tweet where he explained the mistranslation etc. Better than nothing, I guess.

Joe’s fine, posted a Halloween video on Instagram of him with Yaz, Tobie, Kizzy.

That's really nice to see. Doesn't necessarily mean he's fine, but I'm glad he's having a laugh with his mates... I wonder who's filming?

R142 guessing bash but I guess unclear. Wearing his shirt anyway

There’s someone recording and then what I assume is a female hand that touches Joe near the start of the video.

It’s really not that deep surely. People are so quick to assume people are easily offended or easily have their mental health knocked. If I were Joe, I’d be pissed off at people talking shit about my boyfriend but I wouldn’t fall off a mental health cliff. It’s take FAR more to do that. Like actual problems, in real life. You know, like the costing of living, not affording food, not having a job, dealing with ill health or unwell family members. Not teenagers I don’t know twitter being annoying & rude.

I hope Joe deleted Twitter in a fit of annoyance & spent the night taking his boyfriend apart. Ultimately, Joe & Bash win here. They are living their very best lives. Those on twitter are absolutely not.

R145 He's been bullied off Twitter by hundreds/thousands of people tweeting horrible things at him. Bullying takes a major toll on mental health - and very few people have to deal with bullying from HUNDREDS of people at once. He's already deleted Twitter several times before and that's when the abuse being sent his way was way less intense. He may be fairly strong and able to cope with this reasonably well, but there's no way he's brushing it off as nothing. I'd guess that he's struggling quite a bit - but it probably 'helps' that he's seen Bash and Kit go through the same thing so he knows it isn't just him.

Nice to see Joe sharing a sort of non related post on social media. It’s been a while.

Did he actually put on padding / a fat suit to play Tobie? This is absolutely sending me.

Dat ass.

Oh no he's gonna get cancelled (again)

And yeah, Bash was not in Italy

That seems like something too mean-spirited for Bash to do? But it looks like Tobie's lost weight.

Was he bullied off though? Or did he just get pissed off with the idiots & think fuck it, I’m not wasting my time here. There is no evidence to suggest he is anything more than just really pissed off with the idiots.

The thing with social media is you can just switch it off & walk away. A novel concept to GenZ. People talking shit about you? Literally delete the app & problem solved. No-one is bullying you anymore. Celebs who whinge on about it do my head in - just delete it & go life in real life with the nice people!

LOL Bash! And before anyone starts with the ‘it’s so mean’ crying - Tobie is literally in the photo with him. He clearly doesn’t mind!!

R151 People weren't bullying Joe at the time, they were demanding he answer to them, unblock that person, unlike that tweet and apologize. I honestly get the mental health concerns, but I still see it as a fuck you more than anything and that he was probably mad and deactivated.

R150 I thought so too but I’m looking more closely and I think it’s just legit ass padding, no stomach padding. So I think it’s just as likely to be a joke about bash having a flat ass (someone posted pics of him on set recently and he really doesn’t have an ass at all)

R151 Tyler The Creator said it best:

It’s an Issac costume no? Aren’t they Issac’s clothes?

R154 Definitely, ass padding makes more sense as something Bash would do than a fat suit.

Actually, not Isaac but Tobie!

It’s literally the same top & probably trousers 😂

Tobie looks good though. Lost weight

R154 Well, it's a Tobie joke but good to remind everyone that Joe has the ass in the relationship

R161 joe has such a nice body. To be fair minus the flat ass, which might just be an unflattering pic, bash also has a great body.

Don’t doubt Bash loves that ass.

R161 If it weren’t for the arm I wouldn’t be able to tell what direction Bash is facing.

I hope it all just calms down now

I wonder if they posted both as a FU and to reassure the people who are genuinely worried about them there’s been a lot of upset fans on twitter getting increasingly angry at the group responsible the more worried they get

Joe has said before that twitter has negatively effected his mental health and he focuses too much on the negative comments. He’s done the right thing in walking away and it’s good to see him laughing with his mates

I think they’ve both reached the don’t give a damn stage and Joe, while he seems a genuinely nice guy, has apparently got quite an edge to him when he wants I get the feeling it’s only Netflix stopping them from ripping heads right now I don’t think they’ll ever be as open to the fans again certainly not in the UK Which is also a good thing because they sure as hell need boundaries setting

Roll on them finishing HS & getting the hell away from it. In 3 years time, it’ll be over, they’ll all have new jobs & just the most insane will be left talking about it. It blows my mind that there are still a small & clinically bonkers group of people still obsessing about actors/characters from shows like Glee or defunct bands like One Direction. It’s been yearrrrrs, get the fuck over it!

I think what they’re doing right now is just living their lives, which is the best way to go about it. No point in stewing or overthinking things to send a message.

R165 Joe really does seem the type not to take a lot shit and tell people when they are bother him. I'm guessing this crap was a long time coming. Honestly curious if he had come across that girl's tweets for awhile since she never messaged him or Bash at all.

Also about 98% sure he won't even bother to ever come back and he'll be happier for it.

Anyway, doubt they are thinking much of twitter drama anymore.

I think it’s pretty much over twitter is almost all vocal support with some annoying snarks at being “disappointed but glad he’s ok” about as negative as it gets

Just had a nose around some of the big fan accounts and it’s a mess some are still private, some erased every mention of them and moved to a different “fandom”, others deactivated, some have deleted everything from the last 24 hrs and are carrying on as if nothing happened

A lot of people are just posting the new pictures as if they didn’t just take part in savaging the sweet gay kid in them like a pack of hyenas over nothing and I don’t know why the audacity and vileness of human nature still catches me by surprise sometimes

R169

Yeah most of the discontent seems to be coming in from either the privated big accounts or the accounts that either rebranded or bashed Joe/Bash. I not surprised people are going on like nothing happened and everything is okay

R170 It's a bit funny. The anti-Bash accounts who aren't private are very confused why the cast does not care as much as they do. I'm guessing they expected everyone to hold Joe accountable.

And yes, searching Joe and Bash on twitter doesn't have as many results anymore. Back to politics in that search soon.

I think a lot of the time the big accoutns “call things out” in a very performative way (for Joe and bash specifically) and get away with it because people know it blows over and don’t want to go up against some lunatic with 20K followers. But the insanity of this specific instance - them originally being livid with bash over a mistranslation, them getting joe so pissed over their backlash at him that he deleted his Twitter - and the seriousness of their claims, ie that Joe blocked sexual assault victims and sided with abusers - had normally silent fans coming out of the woodwork. A few will stay insane but most will probably say something about how they still hope ge apologizes but want to allow him to learn and grow as if he gives a fuck about their forgiveness.

The last 24 hours in a nutshell.

Has the girl he blocked deleted her account?

No, but she went private.

Is there a new Kit Connor thread anywhere ? Why do they keep getting deleted?

I follow her on a burner and it looks like we won’t be seeing her again. She said goodbye in at least 10 tweets and they’re all eating it up but she said she’s leaving her account. Hopefully she stays gone for good

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R176 Just use the HS thread for Kit. If anything really significant happens with him, someone might start a new one. But right now all he’s doing is filming HS. The previous threads were all taken down because they attracted trolls.

If I were Bash, I'm not so sure I'd want Joe to be in the same room alone with him...not that Joe can't be trusted, but his physical safety could be in jeopardy.

R180 What? Who? If you’re talking about Kit, seek help, they’re costars with a very friendly and professional working relationship. If you’re talking about crazy fans, yes, Joe was sent death threats yesterday. But, mainly your post seems very weird. This is the type of stuff that gets threads deleted.

They were dying to start another round of hatred. I wonder what their ringleader had to say.

As soon as Bash shared that story I knew he was going to be roasted.

R137 He’s the guy at the end of this video. Bash’s comment is funny even though he’s just joking 😂

Connor Jessup has gone quiet, considering they practically lived in each others pockets at one point, haven't seen him comment or interact on their posts recently.

R184 Connor hasn’t been active on instagram in weeks, his mother however likes and comments on Bash’s instagram.

Connor liked this so he’s not off social media entirely:

Think they’ve all learned a hard lesson in fame & social media. Connor included by proxy of being one of their best mates. They’ve all reverted to their private accounts & no longer use their public ones. I bet they are completely normal on their private accounts. The fans can congratulate themselves for that.

R182 I knew it would happen, but they aren't as brave as they were the day before yesterday. The ring leaders are either losing followers, have to pretend nothing happen or going private. What Joe did will probably made things better for awhile since the assholes are too scared to start shit again since most fans are just annoyed by their behavior.

R187 It was obvious it would as soon as I saw the photos but people need to get it into their idiot brains that he’s wearing Tobie’s clothes and they took a photo together, so he’s perfectly okay with it.

Yaz deleted her Instagram story at some point last night, so maybe someone also took offence to either her costume or Kizzy’s.

R143 Don't know how you guys spotted that but then I remembered the shirt and realize I know too much about Bash's wardrobe as well

R189 He has that on in a couple of his Tik Tok’s too

Had another look at the few big 5-figure follower accounts that haven’t gone private or deactivated it’s tumbleweed they’re posting but getting hardly any interactions guessing a lot must have them on mute

When they’ve posted the new pictures they’re getting seriously called out in the replies no positive comments

It’s also good to see the irritating “I can forgive them and move past it” brigade are getting angry backlash on every post correcting the narrative

Also some really good articulate threads summarising the whole shitshow well and tearing into the psycho fans some from accounts with hundreds of followers connected to the fandom

It’s pretty much over and from being worried for them I’m wondering if this has been a good thing Feels like lancing a boil and the horrible abusive atmosphere around that group of obsessives has lifted with a lot of reasonable people who must have been policed into silence before speaking out and breaking their control

I hope it sees the whole cast more relaxed moving forward and less anxious (especially Joe) about what a small group of online fans say because the illusion of their entitlement and fandom royalty status has gone

They showed their whole nasty asses over this

Could someone post a short summation of the last 72 hours...I've been away and I'm a little lost. Thanks.

R192 Bash got asked to clarify the Ben empathize thing. Some people were nice, some weren't. None of them have reading comprehension. But he did and was very nice about it. Joe was obviously felt he shouldn't have to and liked two fan tweets, one about them bullying Bash. See below.

All the little fans started @ Joe asking him to unlike those tweets but Joe didn't and instead blocked that maiylue girl, who is a Joe fan but is one of the biggest Bash hater in the world. She's been mentioned a time or two here. The girl never @ Bash or Joe, so not exactly sure how he knew about her but he did. Her little fan group starting saying he was blocking anyone who was trying to "educate" him and dismissing SA victims so they turned on him and demanded he explain, unblock and apologize. Then he deactivated his account. In the end, he only blocked that one girl.

It seemed like people turned on him for a few hours before more people came online and realized how fucking stupid it was for them to attack Joe over that. Plus her Bash hating history got exposed. By now the people who started it are all hiding and private, pretending it never happened or left the fandom.

Anyway, he seems fine though, bobbing for apples at a Halloween party with his boyfriend and friends.

R191 yeah I hope this has allowed the cast to say fuck it a bit. It's shown that nothing they do will ever be good enough for the fans, so maybe they can stop trying so hard.

Joe blocked at least one other fan too:

R191 They really misjudged how much they are liked vs how much Joe and Bash are. Got too full of themselves thinking they were important. Those people had a chokehold on the fandom for some weird ass reason. Joe reaching his limit was really the best thing that could have happened.

R195 [quote] a lot of people asked nicely. they still got blocked.

Bullshit. There's that one girl who used the blocked girls screenshots, but nobody else has admitted to being blocked other than her so I don't believe it. They'd be crying everywhere for attention if they were blocked.

Yeah there still is only one confirmed block from the horse's mouth

R197 And yet I’m still seeing idiots on Twitter saying ‘he blocked loads of people for asking for clarification’ which is beyond annoying. It’s Chinese whispers - people that missed the drama and asked what happened are getting warped versions of it.

the continued fascination with this basic twunk here surprises me. you old queens usually get bored more quickly. unless you're arguing about madonna.

It's not old queens. I'm not even convinced it's gay men...

Who is that girl R189?

R201 A friend of his, Amybeth McNulty aka Anne with an E, once upon a time his rumored girlfriend and baby mama. Obviously neither were true even if the baby rumors were funny. Anyway she's a lesbian, or bisexual with a girlfriend.

R191 the twitter fandom is definitely shifting. Lots of previously small accounts that stood up for Bash and Joe the whole time have had viral tweets and gained tons of new followers. I’m sure there will still be annoying drama, it’s twitter, but the mood has shifted.

I honestly think all the cast should exit twitter. Not deactivate like Joe, but stop using it like Kit did. They’re still all super popular on IG and need to be focusing on filming a tv show, not on interacting with crazy fans.

R201 the girl in R189 is Amybeth Mcnulty. She was the star of Anne with an E and has been good friends with Bash for years.

There's only one Anne with an E.

I am an "old queen" who follows these threads R199, I think he is very charming. There is a block option if you don't want to see certain threads.

Celebs barely use twitter anyway. It's no loss. Most of the cast already don't use twitter.

Curious if Joe comes back, somehow I think he won't.

It’s quite funny to look back at the stupid tweets I’ve been angrily replying to for the last few days and see that many have now been deleted. They must’ve realised that hardly anyone was agreeing with them.

Someone mentioned following Maiylue or her secondary account. Would love to see what she’s posting now that she’s private.

R208 Joe's insta story having fun with Bash and the rest of the cast isn't sitting right with her. Now I'm genuinely wondering did she have a crush on him or something? Cause this isn't normal.

I think she needs some sort of therapist; she genuinely seems to have convinced herself Joe was her real life friend

I'd say it's an extreme parasocial relationship, but he was actually aware of her existence in the end. She did think he was her best friend and he'd thank and love her for hating Bash. Joe might not love people in his personal life, but I'd guess he has little problems with fans loving him and Bash together, but pretty obviously does have issue with hateful behavior.

And people don't even have screenshots of the truly nasty shit she's said about Bash on her other account. She used to call him Rash, use a rat gif when talking about him and talk about how ugly he was.

Well she did legitimately believe she was the sole reason Kit seemed to be more confident in himself.

She’s a kid, isn’t she? Like 16 or something? She needs to remove herself from the fandom entirely, this can’t be healthy for her. Joe blocking her could be a blessing in disguise if she actually takes time away from the internet and gets her head on straight.

R213 yeah she’s not a nice person by any means but I do feel bad for her. She’s 16 and by her own account / if she’s to be believed has experienced abuse etc, and has a lot of adults on HS twt pandering to her and saying “Maira is one of the most eloquent and thoughtful people on this app” “maira dedicates her time and voice to racial issues with no pay” “joe would absolutely adore you maira”. As much of a lunatic as she is at least she has age and a hard life on her side. She can maybe grow. The person replying to her above is 26, and her response to this whole Joe thing (which may I remind you was private - she chose to publicize him blocking her) was to call him a disappointment for liking a Joebash tweet, say “I only stan Yaz” and some weird rant about how being in HS made Kit more openly queer. She and her other adult / employment age mates are the true lunatic here.

She is really unwell

Her extreme obsession is actually with Kit and she lives through the idea that Joe and Kit belong together it doesn’t take much analysis of the toxic drivel she comes out with the see that She believes she has a special connection to both of them and Bash is evil by keeping them apart (see also that voodoo shit)

I think she believed if she hounded Bash enough he’d walk away from Heartstopper and Joe and that Joe would realise he was wrong and thank her She legitimately worried me I wasn’t aware of her through twitter but came across her months ago via another site and my reaction was all three of them needed a preemptive restraining order because she is unhinged

She has also uber policed and controlled the chronically online elements of fandom and often used the race card to do it saying anyone who is a fan of Bash is racist and a white supremacist for liking him above other poc cast members They’re mainly white girls who are so scared of being called out by her as problematic she caused a lot of Bash’s original hardcore fan girls (and it’s mostly young girls and non binary kids) to draw back from him already She’s a grade A narcissistic gaslighter and bully who has too many them believing she’s a victim and I wouldn’t be shocked if her behaviour has already crossed into real world harassment against the cast

I just really hope Netflix have got the kids backs and her properly on their radar

[quote]I wouldn’t be shocked if her behaviour has already crossed into real world harassment against the cast

[quote]I just really hope Netflix have got the kids backs and her properly on their radar

This is overdramatic. I'm also familiar with her account and she's a teenager with an internet connection that's made a bunch of bitchy tweets about an actor. You're making it sound like she's an actual danger to anyone other than herself when she's just a run-of-the-mill internet troll. You're either an eldergay that isn't familiar with stan culture or a drama queen.

R209 what else has she been up to? I’m genuinely surprised she hasn’t deactivated but I suppose harder to try to drum up pity that way

I am indeed older and a bit of a drama queen when it takes me but also have some familiarity with both fan culture and psychology

She worries me that’s all

She’s a damaged kid clearly and it’s not the bitchiness that’s a red flag it’s the under the radar subtle stuff I’d seen on her account previously that suggests she has a high level of delusional thinking including a belief she has a special almost spiritual connection with Kit and Joe and that Bash is an active spiritual evil

I hope she finds some healing from whatever trauma has lead to this and also hope it never goes beyond the keyboard warrior stage and it is just my over dramatic mind

I just worry about these young kids and hope someone is looking out for them

R217 Don't think she will deactivate. She loves the attention that she gets. Actually her whole group loves the attention that they get. Watch them all make a comeback in a few days.

This is one of the 'adults' who has been supporting Maira. The entitlement. Calling Joe a coward for deactivating. Shading him for posting that Halloween story. Do these adults have nothing better to do than be so weirdly invested in harassing a 19 year old for backing his boyfriend?

I just want to know how mad he was about the situation. Probably seething.

R220 Reading that thread the person thinks Joe shouldn't have defended Bash because he deserved to be called out. Joe disagreed.

This situation seems mostly resolved so hopefully there is less drama from now on.

R221 I think Joe was really mad on Thursday when everyone was attacking Bash. People were going nuts twitter and the entire cast ignored it. But they definitely knew it was happening. Bash hadn’t even shared the magazine article yet when everyone was trying to cancel him about it. When Bash did finally post the article, Joe liked and shared it 13 seconds later, and Kit shared it five minutes after that. They were trying to show their support for Bash without bringing more attention to the twitter drama.

On Friday, Bash finally shared the article on twitter. He then responded to requests for clarification from fans by saying it was poorly translated. Joe quickly liked Bash’s clarification tweet and then also liked a comment saying Bash had nothing to apologize about and his fans still loved him.

The hatred Joe got for liking that comment was sudden and intense. Thousands of his most most diehard fans asked him to unlike the tweet and apologize. He was already mad at fans for picking on Bash, but trying to show support without actually tweeting anything himself. I’m actually surprised it took him a few hours under attack before he deactivated.

It seems like he’s fine, and I doubt his mental health was that badly effected. Likely he was feeling anger and shock more than anything. But I don’t think any of them are happy with the fandom anymore. I would be surprised if Joe ever returned to twitter.

I just hope they have enough self-awareness to recognise that it's only a small, intense, constantly online portion of the fandom that are like this - far too parasocially involved with a teenager and then go crazy when they don't live up their warped moral standards. I hope Joe and the others aren't just generally thinking 'the fans are idiots and we need to stay way away', and realise that most people are normal. It can probably be hard to forget that when they're receiving hundreds/thousands of hate tweets and the weirdos are the main people they're hearing from.

This is so cringe-inducing. The drama is finally over and Joe isn't on Twitter anymore, why has this person spent hours quoting people demanding an apology? Parasocial relationships are rotting every corner of the fandom.

Well that’s probably a waste of time I’m not sure that’s necessarily down to parasocial relationships though might just be outrage at witnessing a mob attack people they like then pretend it didn’t happen?

Trying to take the middle line here

The drama directly with Joe and Bash maybe over but there’s a lot of anger between the fans mostly directed against those that attacked them I guess just leave them to fight it out

That crew member made some likes that probably reflect what everyone in the cast and crew thinks about the whole situation.

I love that bottom tweet, they aren’t bloody wrong. These fans are online versions of Ben. Should probably have a look in the mirror.

R226 That’s cool (although he seems to have liked the tweets after dramatically announcing that he’s leaving, twice). Still a bit disappointed that Kit and Alice haven’t subtly but publicly supported Joe in some way.

That NJ Kerley guy isn't wrong buuuuut it's ironic coming from him. He's been judgmental about the cast with a complete disregard for boundaries in the same way. He's way too old to behave the way he does. All of these people that act like they know the cast are cut from the same cloth. Same people in different fonts.

[quote]But they definitely knew it was happening. Bash hadn’t even shared the magazine article yet when everyone was trying to cancel him about it. When Bash did finally post the article, Joe liked and shared it 13 seconds later, and Kit shared it five minutes after that. They were trying to show their support for Bash without bringing more attention to the twitter drama.

Like R222 mentioned, Kit reposted the cover as soon as Bash acknowledged it. All the support the cast gives each other is very subtle—Tobie's Twitter like yesterday, Joe's Twitter like and retweet when Kit left Twitter—and I think that's by design. They don't want to throw kerosene onto the flames.

Alice, however, needs to wake up. She's more of an authority voice here. Meanwhile, she's posting drawings and ignored everything.

R230 honestly even subtle support from Alice would be fine. Something like retweeting or liking posts saying Joe is the perfect Charlie would get the message across to most people without her preparing a press release but she doesn’t seem to plan on doing that

R224 There are a few of them doing that if you search for Joe and Bash. The whole situation would be done if they would shut up.

And Alice doesn't give a crap.

Well I think it’s over bar the squabbling as the twitter fans settle grudges and realign without a lot of the big accounts

It’s like watching a minor primeval status struggle

And there’s some genuinely very angry kids in there needing to get their outrage out of their system after witnessing something nasty they want to put it right it’s human nature

I don’t think it matters if they shut up or not it won’t effect Joe and Bash now either way

Alice probably cares but they’re just not the most robust character

Here’s a video of Maira crying over joe blocking her

Please stop posting about this girl she’s clearly mentally ill.

She was insulting /hating on Bash for months and now she's playing the victim. Boohoo

R234

Good.

Lord.

[quote]Please stop posting about this girl she’s clearly mentally ill.

Yes, quite.

R234 This is genuinely disturbing. For people who supposedly 'love' the cast so much, their obsessive abuse has succeeded only in chasing both stars of the show from the platform.

Kit is their only hope now she didn’t learn anything

(R236) those are just a drop in the ocean of what she was posting for months.

R239 Of course she hasn't learnt anything, she says it in that video (R234), "she doesn't take back anything she said or did because she was right"

Cry me a river, hypocrite.

How on earth is she emotionally connected to him are the telepathically messaging each other?? How has she learned nothing from the parasocial relationship she had with joe previously biting her right in the ass?

They have this account.. no wonder people acting like these people are the leaders/ polices of fandom so they can do no wrong.

Joe and Bash would probably feel bad for the poor deluded soul. Just take the L, say you shouldn't have spent 6 months hating on Bash using Joe's name and are sorry for the personal attacks. Realize these are people and not characters. Not exactly sure why they don't just take comfort in Nick and Charlie and not Kit and Joe.

Some of these people are teenagers, they aren't toddlers. There's no excuse to act like they are. Agree with no posting about her anymore. The situation is done.

She's a self-righteous bitch is all, there's nothing wrong with her mental health; she'll soon be back on twitter with her holier-than-thou attitude, preaching and shitting on Bash.

She’s already doing it on priv. Said she’d be leaving and then came back before the 24 hour mark was hit

R219 Didn't I say so? She LOVES the attention that she's getting. She will never deactivate. She thinks of herself way too highly. Like she's some celeb or something. And everyone on twitter should worship her. Watch her get back to being nasty towards Bash and now Joe included in a few days.

Last time I’ll mention that person but a screengrab of an old tweet of hers reacting to the picture of Joe and Bash and Kit and Maia doing piggy backs is going round Apologies not tech savvy enough to link directly but:

“I feel physically sick …. I’m going on break again I can’t do this anymore”

She is so butt hurt this is what it’s all about her whole obsession is Kit and Joe should be together

I think a lot of the weird policing and denial about Joe and Bash being in a relationship among the online fans comes from her group They act the grown ups but it’s a base cover to enable their fantasy and their obsession with Kit and Joe

R248 This one right?

16 is a fabulous age for big life lessons, hope she learns something from this but so far doesn’t look promising.

Teens have always been obsessive. Throwing it back to say The Beatles, there were teens literally fainting when they saw them. Problem is now, it’s far too easy to find fellow obsessives & get over obsessed. And you can now contact your celeb obsession via socials & believe you have some kinda connection. I’d hazard a guess these teens don’t have much else going on in their lives. Maybe struggle for real life friends. Because who the hell has the time to constantly be online?! I check in on my lunch break, a hour or so in the evening, here & there if I’m bored. Otherwise I’m working, see friends, down at CrossFit, watching some good TV etc. Some people seem to literally live online, it’s concerning!

She’s just a sad and sick teenager. I don’t mean that as brutally as it sounds and I don’t think she’s a lovely misunderstood soul or anything, but she’s just delusional and immature and being propped up by even more deluded immature adults online. People using their identities (in her case her race and age) to accuse respectful disagreement as coded bigotry means they never get called out; it is what it is. Good for Joe if blocking her made him feel better. I can imagine after seeing people jump down bash’s throat over nothing, blocking someone who shits on him constantly was satisfying.

Wonder when will she get exposed for hating on Maia. Notice how she only has a problem with Bash and Maia (that is the ones in a relationship with Joe and Kit).

I know it's nothing new exactly with people shipping costars, but still a bit funny how many lives Bash and Joe dating has ruined.

R253 Choosing 20 as the age someone is a "full adult" is so arbitrary.

R253 I remember that one being so funny because someone said “do you think a 20 or 21 year old dating a 19 year old is weird then?” And she accused them of being dumb with no reading comprehension because obviously 1-2 year age gaps were fine. Mate that is blatantly not what you wrote. To be honest people on twitter telling her she’s intelligent and well spoken might even be more destructive to her than telling her she’s a good person, because she’s fully a moron.

She’d be horrified at me then. My other half & I were 20 & 18 when we met at uni. I’ve clearly married a real sexual predator 🤣

I’m waiting for darkus finally someone got it

R257 oh one of his stalkers. Stalker in chief actually I think. Hopefully she posts pics of it.

Oh dear god, the magazine actually approached that girl & asked her to write something in it. No wonder these bloody fans think they are superior, they just get constantly fed.

Sigh… I wonder if the ‘faves’ she picked to feature with her are fellow stalkers.

I mean, at least she’s less annoying than Maira.

She also has Baby Queen tickets for tomorrow’s gig so no doubt will magically meet Bash again, if he’s there…

R261 wild her parents (who I presume bought the tickets?) enable it this much

If it’s the one I’m thinking of I think she’s harmless Her and her girlfriend are both autistic and seem to have parents with them all the time although they’re adults suggesting they struggle to be independent The parents probably view at as a harmless special interest and it will undoubtedly run its course

I blocked them a while back because they’re an uncomfortable watch and clogged searches but they seem sweet enough if inappropriate with boundaries and don’t get nasty with people

I can see why Darkus contacted her she sets it up like she’s the official fan club and has clearly interacted with him a lot

Uncomfortable but I’m sure it doesn’t bother him much at least she’s not intentionally awful or unpleasant

Pics

There's drama brewing about Darkus already; They added things that fans haven't said to their submissions. They added ""however at the same time within that tough exterior is someone who is also on a journey of still finding themselves" about Ben to this person's essay thing.

There’s a video of the magazine here and if you pause it, you can read most of his interview. There’s a section on Ben and I’m sure the usually suspects will kick off once again, but this was already expected.

R266 I’m glad bash actively mentions both Alice and the director there. Alice added in the more vulnerable scenes for him and the director euros told him his job was to “make Ben likable”. Glad he’s not “falling on the sword” alone (the sword here being the absolute audacity to think a character can be multifaceted).

I honestly doubt anyone makes a big deal about it after the mess we just had. They'll just subtweet and cry about it. Do wonder when they'll turn on Alice though. Despite adding more Ben to the show she's never to blame, but Bash is, as if he hired himself.

I think everyone is off twitter. Alice didn't even post her Halloween art on twitter.

R266 That was £40?!

R269 I know, right!

This is ridiculous it and it always struck me as such

It will kick off again and now is absolutely the time that Alice has to address this Bash has had to put up with so much just for playing a character they created and wrote

There’s a hardcore of fans that will not accept anything but Ben being a 2 dimensional irredeemable monster both Alice and Euros need to bite the bullet and have an honest adult conversation about it and take some of the heat off him

R265 I wouldn’t be totally surprised if those are actually her words but she’s now realised the backlash that she’d get from idiot fans… but who knows. It’s quite brazen of Darkus to make up an entire sentence, especially about a controversial topic in the fandom.

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