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British Government Close to Collapse as Chancellor Fired After 38 Disastrous Days in Office

On Thursday, just 37 days after being appointed British finance minister, Kwasi Kwarteng was asked if, in a month’s time, he would still be in his job and Liz Truss would still be prime minister.

“Absolutely, 100 percent,” Kwarteng answered. “I’m not going anywhere.”

Less than a day later, he was gone. Truss’ Friday removal of Kwarteng—her closest ideological ally—from the second most powerful role in government so soon after choosing him to run the British economy is easily the worst humiliation among a cavalcade of catastrophes to hit Truss’ administration since it took over from the disgraced Boris Johnson slightly over a month ago.

“You have asked me to stand aside as your Chancellor,” Kwarteng wrote in a letter Truss which he shared on Twitter on Friday. “I have accepted.”

After praising Truss’ “vision of optimism,” Kwarteng added: “We have been colleagues and friends for many years. In that time, I have seen your dedication and determination. I believe your vision is the right one.”

“Your success is this country’s success and I wish you well,” the letter concludes.

Kwarteng’s rapid downfall began with his “mini-budget” delivered on Sept. 23. The statement—which set out a radical reimagining of British economic policy in line with a radical right-wing agenda—included the biggest cuts to U.K. taxes in 50 years while also guaranteeing energy prices. It also included scrapping the cap on bankers’ bonuses, as well as getting rid of the top rate of tax—a policy which would only benefit the richest earners.

As well as being despised by the electorate, financial markets reacted to the unfunded proposals with horror. The pound collapsed to an all-time low against the dollar and the Bank of England was forced to take emergency action to prevent total ruin for pension funds.

Kwarteng and Truss were forced into making an embarrassing U-turn on dropping the top rate of tax earlier this month. “We get it, and we have listened,” Kwarteng tweeted as he announced the 180.

But as economic chaos continued to roil Britain’s finances, speculation built this week that Truss and Kwarteng would have to overturn even more of their calamitous mini-budget. Kwarteng was supposed to stay in Washington, D.C., for an International Monetary Fund summit but flew back to London a day early as the crisis mounted.

His sacking makes him the second shortest-serving U.K. finance minister in history. The shortest was Iain Macleod, who died of a heart attack just 30 days after starting the job in 1970.

With her policy agenda destroyed, Truss will now attempt to replace Kwarteng and cling onto power—possibly by turning to the policies of her Conservative leadership rivals who said her plans would lead to the catastrophe she now finds herself in. Unsurprisingly, opposition lawmakers and even members of her own party are already demanding that Truss resigns.

The question will now turn to how long she can hold on.

A scathing article in the Economist this week concluded that her grip on power ended with the mini-budget, and that when accounting for “the ten days of mourning after the death of Queen Elizabeth II” which overlapped with Truss’ first days in power, the prime minister actually only enjoyed around one week in power.

“That is roughly the shelf-life of a lettuce,” the piece said. And as news broke on Friday that Kwarteng was returning to Britain early, the Daily Star newspaper setup a satirical livestream of a lettuce withering in real time, asking “Can Liz Truss outlast this lettuce?”

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by Anonymousreply 299October 23, 2022 3:35 PM

[quote]Can Liz Truss outlast this lettuce?

Whoever the queen was who came up with this, I bow to her.

by Anonymousreply 1October 14, 2022 9:59 PM

This is what happens when you try to govern without a mandate.

Had they had the courage to call a snap election rather than enacting a coup, this would not be happening.

by Anonymousreply 2October 14, 2022 10:02 PM

Those people were never very good with money.

by Anonymousreply 3October 14, 2022 10:06 PM

Supposedly she's dim.

by Anonymousreply 4October 14, 2022 10:07 PM

Dim? She only went to Merton College Oxford. r4. One of the best colleges at the one of the best universities in the history of the world.

Where did YOU get into?

by Anonymousreply 5October 14, 2022 10:10 PM

[quote]She only went to Merton College Oxford.

Like a lot of dim people don't get into Oxbridge?

by Anonymousreply 6October 14, 2022 10:16 PM

Dim people don't get into Oxford, and CERTAINLY don't get into Merton.

I know you don't want it to be that way, but that's the way it is.

by Anonymousreply 7October 14, 2022 10:18 PM

I want to annex them next.

by Anonymousreply 8October 14, 2022 10:20 PM

^^^^

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by Anonymousreply 9October 14, 2022 10:21 PM

Oh the IRONY of r9 calling Truss, Oxford and Merton College "dim" and then responding with the universal mantra of the American Dimwit: "Whatever, Dude"

by Anonymousreply 10October 14, 2022 10:24 PM

^^^^

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by Anonymousreply 11October 14, 2022 10:26 PM

More dimness from Ultradimwit r11

by Anonymousreply 12October 14, 2022 10:28 PM

Judging by your government and some of the answers on other threads concerning other cultures and general history, you Brits have no room to be calling others "dim"

Good luck with your failed government, monarchy and economy, fools

by Anonymousreply 13October 14, 2022 11:00 PM

A dim American used the word dim, r13, to describe Oxfordian Liz Truss. Do keep up.

by Anonymousreply 14October 14, 2022 11:03 PM

It's the end of the British Empire.

First the Queen is dead.

Now the Prime Minister is going to be deposed.

The UK is a total shit hole.

by Anonymousreply 15October 14, 2022 11:14 PM

@r14, Keep up with losers like you Brits? As if I didn't have to wash my hair or clean the oven. You know, important stuff

by Anonymousreply 16October 14, 2022 11:15 PM

Lettuce see how soon she is gone, celery?🥬

by Anonymousreply 17October 14, 2022 11:19 PM

To all our snotty British friends here on DL, your "Empire" is teetering on the brink of 3rd world status... You're dismissed

by Anonymousreply 18October 14, 2022 11:20 PM

Like many politicians worldwide, the fact that Liz attended some prestigious schools seems to have Little Relevancy to her performance thus far.

If she is so doggone brilliant, why is she mucking things up in a period as short as the shelf-life of lettuce?

by Anonymousreply 19October 14, 2022 11:20 PM

[quote] To all our snotty British friends here on DL, your "Empire" is teetering on the brink of 3rd world status.

And yet Piers Morgan keeps insisting that Meghan Markle is the REAL threat to the UK.

Seriously, someone needs to just punch him in the face.

The UK has very serious problems, and this TWAT is concerned about Meghan Markle.

by Anonymousreply 20October 14, 2022 11:23 PM

Does this mean it would be a good time to vacation in London for cheap? I don't understand the whole "pound collapses" thing in relation to dollars.

by Anonymousreply 21October 14, 2022 11:25 PM

^ It means that shortly you'll be able to pick up Buckingham Palace for a $100K and that nice watch you're wearing 😏

by Anonymousreply 22October 14, 2022 11:28 PM

R21, it’s relatively cheaper to visit the UK now if you’re from the US.

by Anonymousreply 23October 14, 2022 11:28 PM

Maybe we can help?

by Anonymousreply 24October 14, 2022 11:37 PM

This is almost better than watching The Crown. Hope they weave this saga into the script.

by Anonymousreply 25October 14, 2022 11:49 PM

R5 - lots of people get into academic institutions like Oxford via their family connections and economic status. In other words, they can buy their way into Oxford with lineage or wealth. Don't act like this isn't a common practice because it makes you sound even more stupid and dim than Truss.

by Anonymousreply 26October 14, 2022 11:50 PM

Called legacy admissions.

by Anonymousreply 27October 14, 2022 11:54 PM

So letting about 1,000 old white Tory males decide who should be Prime Minister ended poorly?

I’m shocked, I tell you. Absolutely shocked!

by Anonymousreply 28October 15, 2022 12:04 AM

Fans of the Indian guy must be snickering at Truss' failure.

He's next in line to be PM, right?

by Anonymousreply 29October 15, 2022 12:13 AM

[quote] @[R14], Keep up with losers like you Brits? As if I didn't have to wash my hair or clean the oven. You know, important stuff

Says the dimwitted American who is voluntarily commenting on a British Politics thread....

by Anonymousreply 30October 15, 2022 12:26 AM

I've enjoyed buying vintage pottery, etc, for a great deal at 1 American dollar per an exchange of 1 pound 12 pence. I'm thinking of taking my next trip to third-world England for a holiday.

But do keep supporting your welfare royal family, who don't pay taxes and have slush fund off-shore accounts.

by Anonymousreply 31October 15, 2022 12:28 AM

@r30, Is this a members only thread on an AMERICAN site? That's not the way we do things here. Keep up

Says the asshole loser Brit.

by Anonymousreply 32October 15, 2022 12:31 AM

When you come to the UK be sure to share with the native Brits your strong feelings on how the Royal family is funded. I'm certain you'll be made to feel VERY welcome....

by Anonymousreply 33October 15, 2022 12:34 AM

You stupid Brits with your whole world collapsing around you still find time to throw shade at Americans. What a fucked up bunch of idiots you are. Enjoy being poor 😂

by Anonymousreply 34October 15, 2022 12:34 AM

Quite scandalous!

by Anonymousreply 35October 15, 2022 12:34 AM

@r33, "When you come to the UK "

Sorry, mate, I make it a policy not to visit 3rd world countries

by Anonymousreply 36October 15, 2022 12:36 AM

Aside from some animated TV programs, I haven't heard the words "dim" or "dimwit" in American popular culture in decades.

by Anonymousreply 37October 15, 2022 12:36 AM

British Royal Famiy make laughingstocks of their "subjects," who can't afford heat AND food.

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by Anonymousreply 38October 15, 2022 12:40 AM

No, r26, you merely live in a 3rd world country which allows its citizens to live like THIS.

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by Anonymousreply 39October 15, 2022 12:40 AM

R39, you DO have a leeching royal family who wear crowns and lord it over you while having tax-free off-shore slush funds.

by Anonymousreply 40October 15, 2022 12:43 AM

Look at the inbred cunt @ r39 posting a 7-year-old clip in order to, she thinks, prove ... something?

Any time I feel bad about the dysfunctional state of the US government, I look east across the pond at Shitshow Britain and am ... slightly comforted.

by Anonymousreply 41October 15, 2022 12:43 AM

@r39, Sounds like you're not going to have much of anything very soon. I guess we can go back to sending care packages to all the starving kids in GB like we did after WWII

What's your address, dear, I'll send a bundle of old clothes and chocolate bars to you

by Anonymousreply 42October 15, 2022 12:46 AM

That lettuce thing is brilliant and hilarious 😂

by Anonymousreply 43October 15, 2022 12:46 AM

R38- If the Royal Family became extremely unpopular and they decided to phase them out- as it were, there's NO WAY they would be able to walk away with the supposed net worth of over FORTY BILLION dollars- that would be confiscated.

by Anonymousreply 44October 15, 2022 12:46 AM

Really, R41? Is my post ast R39 any less true 7 years later? Or more true? See my post at R38.

I love the dip in the British pound, though. Makes shopping so much more pleasant and economical.

by Anonymousreply 45October 15, 2022 12:48 AM

The USA is a 3rd World country with a rich overclass.

The rich American oligarchs don't even ensure fresh water is available to the American 3rd Worlders

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by Anonymousreply 46October 15, 2022 12:49 AM

@r45, lovely home you have there, dear 😂

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by Anonymousreply 47October 15, 2022 12:51 AM

Darling, R46, Jackson, Mississippi is NOT the entire U.S. Just ask California. But the U.K. is definitely in a very bad state.

by Anonymousreply 48October 15, 2022 12:51 AM

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

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by Anonymousreply 49October 15, 2022 12:53 AM

Maybe the new king will close his off-shore accounts and pay his fair share of taxes. Not that his good subjects will ask such a rude thing of their new old sovereign. They'd rather STARVE than put out their beloved new 73-year-old king and his horse-faced consort.

by Anonymousreply 50October 15, 2022 12:54 AM

Gosh, I'm so jealous of you Brits 🤮

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by Anonymousreply 51October 15, 2022 12:54 AM

Another white woman putting the blame on a black man.

by Anonymousreply 52October 15, 2022 12:55 AM

Well, I love that the British call it “a lettuce” and we call it “lettuce” in America. Their way is nicer. And I happen to be very fond of the British and hope they’re going to be okay. Sincerely.

by Anonymousreply 53October 15, 2022 12:56 AM

I hear people are just dying to live there...

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by Anonymousreply 54October 15, 2022 12:56 AM

Girls, girls. The US and the UK are both cunts.

by Anonymousreply 55October 15, 2022 12:57 AM

R46, Jackson, MS happens because of Republican white trash govt STEALING money from blue states and giving it to white trash meathead jocks

by Anonymousreply 56October 15, 2022 12:58 AM

The topic of the thread is: British Government Close to Collapse as Chancellor Fired After 38 Disastrous Days in Office

Please stick to this topic.

by Anonymousreply 57October 15, 2022 1:00 AM

C’mon guys. The Americans versus the Brits is nonsense.

We are allies. Buds. Let’s have a truce and get back on track to the subject of the thread. Americans, remember Trump as president? The daily chaos? No fun (and the guy is STILL around, sadly.) Brits are going through it with changes in THEIR government now. It’s not easy.

Brits, can Truss be outed quickly? Someone said she looked hunted at her press conference ousting her finance ally. Admittedly, the woman has made some tone deaf moves since her arrival in September. Would appreciate thoughts on Truss or who YOU believe should run the show.

by Anonymousreply 58October 15, 2022 1:00 AM

Wait until the coronation, and the UK economy has been tanking for 6 months.

People will be shouting "Off with his head!!" to Charles III.

by Anonymousreply 59October 15, 2022 1:00 AM

Six ways the US is like a 3rd World Country

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by Anonymousreply 60October 15, 2022 1:03 AM

You snot Brits deserve everything coming your way. Enjoy austerity 😂

by Anonymousreply 61October 15, 2022 1:04 AM

Sure, R60. Meanwhile it's $1.12 to one British pound. Your entire country is third world. Hope Scotland gets out.

by Anonymousreply 62October 15, 2022 1:05 AM

It won't be so bad, you Brits are used to squalor

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by Anonymousreply 63October 15, 2022 1:06 AM

Fortune: America is a 3rd World country now

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by Anonymousreply 64October 15, 2022 1:08 AM

It will be like the old British Empire days. Won't that be fun?

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by Anonymousreply 65October 15, 2022 1:08 AM

You can go back to pooping in your back yards 😂

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by Anonymousreply 66October 15, 2022 1:10 AM

Scotland: get out!

by Anonymousreply 67October 15, 2022 1:14 AM

Don't worry, Love, the art of begging in the street will come back to you.

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by Anonymousreply 68October 15, 2022 1:14 AM

Team “Whatever, Dude”

by Anonymousreply 69October 15, 2022 1:18 AM

The streets of San Francisco.... are now covered in human feces....

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by Anonymousreply 70October 15, 2022 1:18 AM

Truss.

Charles III, representing the most prominent welfare country.

Come again, R70?

by Anonymousreply 71October 15, 2022 1:20 AM

r29 Morduant seems more likely

by Anonymousreply 72October 15, 2022 1:21 AM

[quote]Truss’ Friday removal of Kwarteng—her closest ideological ally—from the second most powerful role in government

This is the crux of the problem worldwide, not just the UK.

People are placed for ideology WITHOUT regard for competence. In the past, people, competence was the first filter, then political favors and ideology. Now, ideology is the only criteria.

by Anonymousreply 73October 15, 2022 1:21 AM

*most prominent welfare family, in the oldest imperialist country.

Fixed.

by Anonymousreply 74October 15, 2022 1:22 AM

This is all very troublesome and dramatic, but let's check in with Meghan Markle!

by Anonymousreply 75October 15, 2022 1:22 AM

Side note: Just because people were initially filtered on competence doesn't mean they were. History is filled with incompetent players.

My point was that competence was a consideration.

by Anonymousreply 76October 15, 2022 1:23 AM

r41 Are things like the attempted bloody coup on January 6th last year when one of your major political parties to a large extent for partisan reasons turned a blind eye to the attempted overthrow of your democracy, the regular gun massacres even in schools the type of things you are referring to that make you feel down about the state of the US?

by Anonymousreply 77October 15, 2022 1:24 AM

Brits, where does Charles fit in to all of this? If she’s not popular, is there historical precedence for him to step in?

by Anonymousreply 78October 15, 2022 1:24 AM

r50 The monarch does pay income tax.The Queen gave up the monarchs income tax exemption in the 1990s.

by Anonymousreply 79October 15, 2022 1:26 AM

R79, the queen "agreed" to pay income taxes after it was considered unseemly even by the BRF that they pay nothing considering all they've leeched off their own country over hundreds of years.

by Anonymousreply 80October 15, 2022 1:28 AM

r58 There is no impediment to ousting her within days under our system.What is likely holding the conservative politicians from doing so is an anxiety the legitmacy of a second prime minister unelected by the public would be called into question to such an extend that pressure to call a general election would be unavoidable to refuse.

Their other dilemma is will keeping her longer cause more damage to the partys reputation long term? They really have put themselves in a no win situation.

by Anonymousreply 81October 15, 2022 1:30 AM

SA -

Apologize for my (mouthbreathing?) American brethren. We have our own set of issues here, and the admittedly ignorant, reflex response of some Americans is to bash others without ANY introspection. (Hence our problems.) One of the “@Rnumber” posters in this thread is someone who has been encountered before on DL and seems to be intellectually challenged. They seem to be trolling.

That said, would honestly like to hear your thoughts on your country’s current situation. Wish to learn. And do empathize: as we have our own challenges in the USA.

by Anonymousreply 82October 15, 2022 1:31 AM

R78 There's absolutely no precedent or process for King Charles to "intervene" in the political affairs of the House of Commons. That would be a ludicrous overstep, and they'd disband the monarchy within a week.

If she's not popular, then that's a political problem to be solved by the nation's voters at the next election. The monarch has no role in deposing a prime minister simply for being unpopular.

by Anonymousreply 83October 15, 2022 1:33 AM

r80 Your characterisation of it is not the issue.The issue is it has been habitually claimed throughout this thread INCORRECTLY that the monarch does not pay taxes.Basic facts matter.I dont care if she made the decision with a lit firework up her behind the fact is she made the decision and it was the right outcome regardless of how it came about.

People cannot make a false claim one of their main planks of argument and then act as its no big deal when it is pointed out their facts are wrong.For sure make your argument against the monarchy but not with a factually incorrect claim.

by Anonymousreply 84October 15, 2022 1:34 AM

Thanks R81 and R83.

by Anonymousreply 85October 15, 2022 1:34 AM

Somewhere Boris is laughing his ass off.

by Anonymousreply 86October 15, 2022 1:34 AM

r78, Charles would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever "step in" on who should be the Prime Minister.

EVER.

by Anonymousreply 87October 15, 2022 1:36 AM

[quote] Somewhere Boris is laughing his ass off.

Methinks Theresa May is having a tipple and dancing.

by Anonymousreply 88October 15, 2022 1:36 AM

"behind the fact is she made the decision and it was the right outcome regardless of how it came about."

R84, she made the "decision" because it was looked at as outrageous that this ridiculously rich family were paying no taxes. It was good PR for the Windsors to pay something considering what they were getting. Cut the comedy, hunty.

by Anonymousreply 89October 15, 2022 1:39 AM

The Queen voluntarily made the decision to pay taxes, but that's not GOOD ENOUGH for American citizen r89 1

by Anonymousreply 90October 15, 2022 1:41 AM

May I add to my r81 post they dont want an election as polls show they would lose badly

r82 Thanks for your kind thoughtful post.

To my mind what is happening now is that after nearly 12 and a half years of conservative government-the chickens are coming home to roost ie the bad consequences of all their policies and their inflammatory short term approach to politics is now BITING THEM HARD ON THE ARSE!!

sometimes governments create problems that do not bear their bad fruit until they are out of office.They have been in so long that this was inevitable to some extent.

Most newspapers traditionally support the conservative governments here but even they have limits to their powers and cannot persuade a majority that their falling standard of living and declining purchasing power and struggling health service is both imaginary and nothing to do with the government.

Hope I make sense! Anything else you wish to ask about UK politics please feel free to ask!

Basically technically we elect a parliament and the biggest party forms the government.We dont elect a prime minister legally or constitutionally but a parliament were the biggest party has first invite to form a government.In other words we have your presidential , house of rep and senate elections fo r the whole term on one day!!

Much of the media tries to make our elections and choice of prime minister more like a presidential election but in reality and legally it aint.

by Anonymousreply 91October 15, 2022 1:43 AM

Well, as long as it's good for YOU, R90, that a billionaire agreed to pay some taxes.

by Anonymousreply 92October 15, 2022 1:44 AM

[quote]Brits, can Truss be outed quickly? Someone said she looked hunted at her press conference ousting her finance ally. Admittedly, the woman has made some tone deaf moves since her arrival in September. Would appreciate thoughts on Truss or who YOU believe should run the show.

She did get off to a peculiar start, no ? I mean meets the Queen on September 6, and the Queen croaks on the 8th. I bet Truss had something to do with that.

As for some good news - maybe Harry can take the job and run the economy ?

by Anonymousreply 93October 15, 2022 1:45 AM

R78

You ought to ask Charles I how that worked out for him....

by Anonymousreply 94October 15, 2022 1:47 AM

r89 Not sure what you are arguing with me about? It was an indefensible anomaly that she inherited from history that the monarch did not pay taxes, She should have been willing to make the change before circumstances forced her.That was a big mistake and misjudgement on her part. My only quibble is those saying that now the monarch doesnt pay taxes when they do.

I know somelike the easy slur that I am a klan granny and blind to their faults royalist but I aint.MY position is as a small r conditional monarchist or royalist.

by Anonymousreply 95October 15, 2022 1:48 AM

Hey kids! We’re all 3rd World Countries these days.

Unless you have money, your life is shitty.

by Anonymousreply 96October 15, 2022 1:48 AM

"Unless you have money, your life is shitty."

Kind of an old story, R96, throughout the ages.

by Anonymousreply 97October 15, 2022 1:50 AM

Just bring back Boris already and be done with it. We all know they want to.

by Anonymousreply 98October 15, 2022 1:58 AM

Tskk...sorry, everyone, but she didn't curtsey when she left our meeting, and as my last duty I wouldn't put up with that and have hexed her!

by Anonymousreply 99October 15, 2022 1:58 AM

In Britain people with no money get top healthcare and education, and get free housing. It's the best quality of life for the poor in the world. that's why thousands of illegal immigrants get into rubber dinghies everyday in rough sea just to get here.

by Anonymousreply 100October 15, 2022 2:00 AM

Thanks R91!

So the chickens have come home to roost?

What - if any - predictions for the immediate future are being suggested?

Do you think Truss will be ousted? If she is, who will replace her?

Also thank you to Posters who have clarified Charles III’s role . (Somehow the echoing “You May now form a government in my name” words out of Olivia Colman’s mouth led me to believe he might have some part to play in the drama, but you’ve clearly disabused me of this idea.)

With all the instability atm, can any of this ripple back to Charles III? Coronation even more limited? Pressures placed on the monarchy? Or is Charles III protected from Truss’ flailing popularity?

by Anonymousreply 101October 15, 2022 2:00 AM

I feel bad for the Brits. Inflation there is out of control, much worse than ours, they went through months of chaos with Boris Johnson and his antics and scandals, the queen died and now this mess. Things really seem to be spiraling downhill over there.

by Anonymousreply 102October 15, 2022 2:07 AM

The true underlying cause of all this is the fact that Charles is now King is starting to sink in and even worse the thought of the hideous whore by his side.

by Anonymousreply 103October 15, 2022 2:08 AM

r101 Conservative mps will be plotting and discussing this weekend in whatsapp groups what their next move should be and crucially when they should strike.

Most political commentators and bookies betting offices are giving low odds on her lasting any longer than 3 or 4 months.Some think she will be gone by christmas- some even think gone by Halloween!

Whoever replaces her will have to have an election pretty soon or the backlash will be tremendous. If tories decide or rather conclude and realize they are going to lose the next election no matter what then they oust her sooner , get in a unity candiate liked or tolerated by most wings of the party and try and have an election after a few months hoping the unity PM has shone enough to lessen their losses.

Liz Truss is basically powerless now- she has dropped all her unique selling point policies and thus has no political authority left.In office but not in power.

I think Penny Morduant will replace her.

by Anonymousreply 104October 15, 2022 2:10 AM

r101 Have a read of this column about latest developments with Liz Truss and the government.It is very good at elucidating the issue and was written before todays sacking of the chancellor and dropped policies

Hope it answers some of your questions!

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by Anonymousreply 105October 15, 2022 2:13 AM

[quote] I feel bad for the Brits. Inflation there is out of control, much worse than ours, they went through months of chaos with Boris Johnson and his antics and scandals, the queen died and now this mess. Things really seem to be spiraling downhill over there.

Indeed.

But admittedly, we have our own challenges. An ex-President who likely committed sedition and espionage; conspiring with dictators and fascist regimes. An illegitimate SCOTUS. An actual physical attack on Democracy. Rollback on female bodily autonomy. Out-of-control gun violence. Ignorant and illiterate governmental officials (MTG, Hershel Walker, “Dr. Oz, Matt Gartz, etc.). Escalating crime. Economic instability. A part of the populace that supports Medieval and Regressive Ideas.

I also feel bad for the USA.

Different boats. Same sea.

by Anonymousreply 106October 15, 2022 2:16 AM

Thanks so much SA!

by Anonymousreply 107October 15, 2022 2:17 AM

R57, then why didn't you open your fucking trap when R46 mentioned MS? Why wait to say something when someone responds to his bullshit?

by Anonymousreply 108October 15, 2022 2:19 AM

Polly Toynbee is not a legitimate political commentator, r105. "Tuscany Toynbee" is a nepotism hire who is a complete hypocrite between what she preaches and how she lives.

by Anonymousreply 109October 15, 2022 2:24 AM

[quote] When you come to the UK be sure to share with the native Brits your strong feelings on how the Royal family is funded. I'm certain you'll be made to feel VERY welcome....

I’m not the poster you were replying to R33 but I was in London a few weeks ago and did say to a few people (was topical at the time bc she had just died) something similarly critical about how the royal family were funded and most ppl were in agreement that it’s totally fucked up, even the ones that like the royals. Winds are changing.

by Anonymousreply 110October 15, 2022 2:37 AM

British accents are corny as hell.

by Anonymousreply 111October 15, 2022 2:41 AM

The UK appears to be circling the drain but we Americans should know better than to point and laugh as r106 points out as we have legions of problems peculiar to this country.

The ascendent religious authoritarian lunacy here is a problem. Twenty years from now we’ll have to rise up in revolt against the edicts of the radically conservative US Supreme Court like they’re doing in Iran

by Anonymousreply 112October 15, 2022 3:03 AM

Sure you were, r10. That's so convenient.

by Anonymousreply 113October 15, 2022 3:06 AM

I wouldn't worry yourself about that dear. In 20 years there well might not BE a "United States" given the way things are splitting. England has been there for over a 1000 years and will continue to be there.

by Anonymousreply 114October 15, 2022 3:08 AM

"England has been there for over a 1000 years"

Barely, R114--a little island that keeps losing its "subjects"? Get over yourself, Mary. Pretty soon she'll be left with England, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

What an empire.

by Anonymousreply 115October 15, 2022 3:11 AM

England's population has EXPLODED in the last two decades. Even Scotland and Wales's population has exploded. And its not from higher birthrates. Its from voluntary immigration.

I wonder why so many millions of people have risked their lives just to get here?

by Anonymousreply 116October 15, 2022 3:14 AM

Because it's centrally located in Europe, R116?

You want to talk about risking their lives to get somewhere? That would be the US, not the UK.

by Anonymousreply 117October 15, 2022 3:16 AM

Per capita, Britain's population has risen far more than America's, r117

by Anonymousreply 118October 15, 2022 3:29 AM

"There's absolutely no precedent or process for King Charles to "intervene" in the political affairs of the House of Commons. That would be a ludicrous overstep, and they'd disband the monarchy within a week."

Oh I don't know....

Queen Victoria intervened in government affairs a few times IIRC.

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by Anonymousreply 119October 15, 2022 3:31 AM

And a country's population's rising in this case is a sign of a good thing, R118? It's usually the sign of a third world when a country is failing to the degree the UK is.

by Anonymousreply 120October 15, 2022 3:33 AM

[quote]Queen Victoria intervened in government affairs a few times IIRC.

But, r119, she did it with a twinkle in her eye and a wiggle in her walk.

by Anonymousreply 121October 15, 2022 3:34 AM

R118, Britain's population rising means that there are a lot more people not bothering about birth control rather than the surging health of the nation.

by Anonymousreply 122October 15, 2022 3:37 AM

For those who don't believe in the "New World Order"....It's here, and it's happening right in front of you!

by Anonymousreply 123October 15, 2022 3:54 AM

Kwasi Kwarteng did what the PM asked, and as wont to happen ministers will take blame rather than the PM. This usually works at first and may save a PM's career if not government, but while mistakes do happen, they mustn't happen too often. Liz Truss had better pull her socks up and sort things out quickly, otherwise the knives will start coming out.

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by Anonymousreply 124October 15, 2022 4:03 AM

Ápres moi, le deluge.

by Anonymousreply 125October 15, 2022 4:15 AM

Just shows: do not cave. and especially, do not cave to the tax & spend banking mafia.

She should have stood her ground. Instead, sh u-turned to please the mafia, and thereby opened the gates. the banking mafia sense weakness and and now they will take her out. I give her a month.

by Anonymousreply 126October 15, 2022 4:19 AM

Britain is being destroyed by its bigotry, racism AND its empty-headed "solutions" to both.

by Anonymousreply 127October 15, 2022 4:36 AM

[quote] Just shows: do not cave. and especially, do not cave to the tax & spend banking mafia. She should have stood her ground. Instead, sh u-turned to please the mafia, and thereby opened the gates. the banking mafia sense weakness and and now they will take her out. I give her a month.

Not a Brit, but did not the World learn anything from Reagan-Trickle-Down Economics?

Especially....especially in the midst of global instability and Brexit.

by Anonymousreply 128October 15, 2022 5:03 AM

Kwartang is sounding Truss' funeral bell.

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by Anonymousreply 129October 15, 2022 5:06 AM

That must have been a fun ride for Kwarteng back to the UK.

One minute you're in DC, hobnobbing with the global elite.

Next thing you know you're unemployed.

Wonder if he flew coach.

by Anonymousreply 130October 15, 2022 5:20 AM

Someone said from the beginning that Truss came across poorly when she first spoke in front of 10 Downing Street.

This has nothing to do with her financial ineptitude, but she comes across as a small girl attempting to throw out insane ideas only to backtrack and deny said ideas when they produce disastrous consequences.

She makes Theresa May look like Winston Churchill.

by Anonymousreply 131October 15, 2022 5:26 AM

r130 He is still an MP so not unemployed.

r109 none of that if true makes her commentary invalid

by Anonymousreply 132October 15, 2022 5:32 AM

[quote] This has nothing to do with her financial ineptitude, but [bold]she comes across as a small girl attempting to throw out insane ideas only to backtrack and deny said ideas when they produce disastrous consequences.[/bold]

Was unaware of Liz’s background, but thanks to another poster [poster 17 on the Charles/Liz thread], the Liz Truss debacle is beginning to make a bit more sense:

[quote] I’m not criticizing, I just have concern and compassion for anyone that is subjected to the extreme rationing of resources that she seems to endorse. It’s even more pathetic when I find out [bold] she is trapped in a self inflicted immaturity vortex in the form of a continuous life long childish rebellion against her socialist father. Sad and scary

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by Anonymousreply 133October 15, 2022 5:51 AM

You CANNOT EVER put conservatives in charge of anything! They are hopeless ideologues and completely impervious to facts and reason-based thinking! They destroy everything they touch!

by Anonymousreply 134October 15, 2022 6:09 AM

[quote] she comes across as a small girl attempting to throw out insane ideas only to backtrack and deny said ideas when they produce disastrous consequences.

According to this article, backtracking seems to be part of Liz’s brand.

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by Anonymousreply 135October 15, 2022 6:24 AM

Britain is the Florida of Europe.

by Anonymousreply 136October 15, 2022 6:35 AM

R134, Churchill would like a word.

by Anonymousreply 137October 15, 2022 6:35 AM

[quote] Kwarteng added: “We have been colleagues and friends for many years …”

More than that at one point.

by Anonymousreply 138October 15, 2022 6:49 AM

R138, Liz’s Wikipedia says she had an affair with her mentor in 2004/2005.

Who would have guessed?

by Anonymousreply 139October 15, 2022 6:55 AM

The UK's collapse is complete.

by Anonymousreply 140October 15, 2022 10:51 PM

My conspiracy tinhat theory is that all this deliberate chaos comes down to Brexit = bad!

It's about the public begging for a new referendum vote to reverse Brexit to step in line with the infamous New World Order agenda.

by Anonymousreply 141October 16, 2022 12:02 AM

The Royals? Remember this: Every penny, every property, every jewel, every stitch of clothing they own was given to them.

by Anonymousreply 142October 16, 2022 12:14 AM

To quote Wanda Sykes: "Nothing good ever trickles down."

by Anonymousreply 143October 16, 2022 12:18 AM

So now Politico is saying Truss won't last the month. Pathetic.

They're already pushing the 1922 Committee to replace Truss with Mourdant and Sunak, only to do so without another "election" of the party faithful. They know they're about to get totally wiped out in the next general election, so if that means slapping up the THIRD prime minister since the last election, so be it. Anything to avoid facing the voters.

by Anonymousreply 144October 16, 2022 2:44 AM

R144, conservatives will always win in the UK. They have governed the country more times than any other party.

by Anonymousreply 145October 16, 2022 2:55 AM

R141, wtf are you talking about?

by Anonymousreply 146October 16, 2022 2:56 AM

I think a previous poster was right when he wrote that politicians suck more and more because they are driven by their self-serving agenda rather than what's right for the country and citizen they are supposed to represent. Sadly, that fits pretty much both the US and the UK and many other countries.

These governments lack leadership, because nobody is nurturing and rewarding good leadership. Politicians are too scared to mentor anyone out of fear of being dethroned way-too-soon by the very ones they mentor. Instead, you get the Trump dynamic of politicians surrounding themselves with "Yes, Sir!" ass-kissers who are too stupid and too incompetent to do anything smart on their own and fail at everything.

by Anonymousreply 147October 16, 2022 5:46 AM

The UK is fine, it sends its love.

What is with all the UK hate lately? I'm not a UKanian but I notice it.

by Anonymousreply 148October 16, 2022 5:54 AM

The underlying cause to all this is the sense of doom that enveloped Britain since the Queen died at the dreaded reality of Charles as King and some floosy by his side.

by Anonymousreply 149October 17, 2022 3:36 AM

Unfortunately Brexit has really hurt the British economy. It’s kind of irreversible at this point. It’s too bad the Brits fell for clowns like Nigel F. and Boris. The US is a rich country and can survive a clown like Trump but GB isn’t so lucky.

by Anonymousreply 150October 17, 2022 3:58 AM

[quote] The US is a rich country and can survive a clown like Trump but GB isn’t so lucky.

R150 I would edit that to, "One percent of the US is rich and can survive a criminal like Trump." Both the US and the UK are dealing with decades of relentlessly increasing income inequality. The 99% in the US might fare no better, and possibly worse than those in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 151October 17, 2022 7:38 AM

Sad, last days of the UK.

by Anonymousreply 152October 17, 2022 3:35 PM

While the death of the queen was an historical event and a milestone a nation in turmoil I don’t think anyone gives a thought to Charles and Camilla when it comes to parliamentary shenanigans, economic gloom and Liz “walking disaster” Trump.

by Anonymousreply 153October 17, 2022 4:20 PM

They'll say, "The British government's had another COLLAPSE!"

by Anonymousreply 154October 17, 2022 5:01 PM

Liz popping her clogs didn't cause this. Brexit did.

Britain's racist old fucks brought this on themselves by voting to leave their largest trading partner, and wrecking their broader economy until god-knows-when, all because they don't like Polish people. Within the EU, they were on solid footing as reliable economic leaders. Out on their own, they're on their third prime minister in four years and their economy is worse than during the Winter of Discontent. Only this time, there's no Thatcher waiting in the wings to swoop in and clean it all up with Tory cuts.

Blighty brought it on themselves. They were warned.

by Anonymousreply 155October 17, 2022 5:27 PM

British government sucks, because they are all total fuck-ups with no real leadership skills. It's like a total clown show of total fuckwits trying to steer a clown car.

by Anonymousreply 156October 17, 2022 6:47 PM

How is that much different from politics anywhere else?

by Anonymousreply 157October 17, 2022 6:51 PM

This is not our finest hour.

by Anonymousreply 158October 17, 2022 6:58 PM

Unbelievable that Truss was able to steer the ship into the rocks. Even her now sacked finance minister is reported to have had some hesitation backing her as (according to KK) she seems “a little crazy”.

Is the woman stupid? Insane? Seriously?

When she makes Theresa May look like Churchill and BoJo as halfway competent manages to pull Hunt to “save her”, the lady comes across as bonkers.

She’s coming into the league of people like Trump and MTG.

by Anonymousreply 159October 17, 2022 6:58 PM

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by Anonymousreply 160October 17, 2022 7:05 PM

This reminds me of Kim Campbell, 1993.

Brian Mulroney was at the end of his mandate, and deeply unpopular with the Canadian public. Rather than face the voters and lose badly, he "retired" and left his government in the care of the capable but doomed Kim Campbell. She tried her best to save the party's chances, but they were utterly wiped out on election day. All but a handful of them lost their seats, and they went from the ruling party to being a quorum of two. She is remembered today for her ludicrously short tenure, and for being "the boss" when they suffered their worst-ever defeat.

She was used as a scapegoat for the bullshit of her predecessors.

by Anonymousreply 161October 17, 2022 8:01 PM

r159 apparently her father is an academic and a socialist who is appalled at her embrace of right wing economics in this extreme form.I speculate that some of her behaviour is a form of strange rebellion against her father and her upbringing?

by Anonymousreply 162October 18, 2022 12:56 AM

R262, she has her own opinions. Women are allowed those. Socialists are antisemites today.

by Anonymousreply 163October 18, 2022 1:09 AM

r163 Yes women are allowed their opinions but when they are in political power they have to account for their decisions and not go missing in action and mute like she did today-running away from the consequences of her decisions on millions of people.If she has opinions let her have the courage of her convictions and defend them. None of what you said discounts the phenomenon of people having strange rebellions into adulthood against their parents.It is a known psychological phenomenon.

Oh and Trumps recent comments show anti semitism is not exclusive to any political side or faction or group.Nice try though.

by Anonymousreply 164October 18, 2022 1:16 AM

R163 Just as Labour needed to excise the far left antisemites, the Conservatives need to excise the libertarians. Libertarians aren't conservative at all.

by Anonymousreply 165October 18, 2022 1:19 AM

[quote] Yes women are allowed their opinions but when they are in political power they have to account for their decisions and not go missing in action and mute like she did today-running away from the consequences of her decisions on millions of people.If she has opinions let her have the courage of her convictions and defend them. None of what you said discounts the phenomenon of people having strange rebellions into adulthood against their parents.It is a known psychological phenomenon.

Yes, SA. Very strange woman. In one of the articles I read several days ago, the writer said she was wooden, flat, uncharismatic, lacking in empathy and strangely obsessed with bizarre economics that many had warned her against in the current global climate.

Instead of listening, she went full speed ahead bringing down the markets and economy. She seems strangely unrepentant and MIA assuring “stability” in regards to her leadership after bringing on unnecessary chaos and [bold] instability [/bold]. She then does a complete reversal, hides and places on the fake joker grin whilst in The Commons.

Bizarre woman that presents as a defiant little girl. Your psychological profile doesn’t seem too far off the mark as others have intoned that she seems caught up in some sort of bizarre vortex to prove something. She seems strangely out-of-touch - and to this American - even more so than BoJo which is saying quite a bit.

Her messy affairs, not to mention the soullessness of her economic policies are surreal for a mousy, flat-appearing woman.

Her devolvement is entirely self-inflicted. It is just heartbreaking to see her bring the British populace down with her.

Just amazed that someone so lacking could be in her position....then I am reminded of Trump and his Magats. The politicians these days are becoming ever greater jokes.

by Anonymousreply 166October 18, 2022 1:37 AM

The average poll lead for Labour is now 29% which is just staggering.

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by Anonymousreply 167October 18, 2022 1:41 AM

Thatcher’s revenge.

by Anonymousreply 168October 18, 2022 1:56 AM

R168 Revenge for what?

by Anonymousreply 169October 18, 2022 1:58 AM

The British press is sweeping under the rug the true cause of all this, Charles becoming King and instead going after the Prime Minister.

by Anonymousreply 170October 18, 2022 1:58 AM

R170 Groan. Why are you so obsessed with the RF and try to make everything about them? This has nothing to do with the King. He is a symbolic head of state and doesn't have any real power.

by Anonymousreply 171October 18, 2022 2:00 AM

Have a feeling Biden’s not a great fan of Liz. He criticized her Trussonomics in some offhand comments in an ice cream shop which is usually not the au courant thing other leaders do (unless one is Trump).

Some journalist today asked his press secretary if he regretted his critique. “No” was the response.

by Anonymousreply 172October 18, 2022 2:01 AM

^^ Thank God we (the US) have governmental press conferences again.

During the Trump Semi-Fascist Regime, they all but completely disappeared or disintegrated.

by Anonymousreply 173October 18, 2022 2:04 AM

This is turning into a Rishi Maze.

by Anonymousreply 174October 18, 2022 2:16 AM

These are two big losers. Now watch the Americans put other horrible people into office just like those too.

by Anonymousreply 175October 18, 2022 2:20 AM

Liz Truss’ Living Nightmare (per The Atlantic)

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by Anonymousreply 176October 18, 2022 5:57 AM

[quote] Jokes about Ms. Truss — the prime minister dressed as a bin or likened to a lettuce — are cruel, larded with sexism and snobbery. But they connect to a truth: Ms. Truss is as close to ambition for its own sake as you can find, and the spectacle of her failure carries a certain thrill. Yet, in truth, her leadership — so ideological and brittle — was never going to work.

NYT (Opinion) Liz Truss Is Finished

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by Anonymousreply 177October 18, 2022 6:12 AM

America might put awful people back in the White House in 24. They’d have the same incompetence but will be magnitudes worse because of the religious fanaticism and general insanity of the voters who will put them there.

by Anonymousreply 178October 18, 2022 6:51 AM

[quote] [R168] Revenge for what?

It's like Montezuma's Revenge, but you get the runs in England rather than in Mexico.

by Anonymousreply 179October 18, 2022 6:54 AM

I think she's wonderful.

by Anonymousreply 180October 18, 2022 8:38 AM

From what I've been reading, the Tories still can't find someone they'll unite behind to replace Truss. And they're scared to send candidates before members again because it could result in another hardliner.

by Anonymousreply 181October 18, 2022 8:44 AM

[quote] lots of people get into academic institutions like Oxford via their family connections and economic status. In other words, they can buy their way into Oxford with lineage or wealth. Don't act like this isn't a common practice because it makes you sound even more stupid and dim than Truss

Neither Oxford nor Cambridge (nor any other British University I know of) accept legacy admissions.

I’ve only read half of this thread so far, so apologies if I am repeating a point that has already been made, but Truss’ problem is not that she is unintelligent. It’s that she is arrogant and lacks common sense.

Before she entered Downing Street, she was warned that her plans would lead to disaster, and her reaction was to make every attempt to make sure that her plans avoided scrutiny as far as possible. She did not present them to the Cabinet. She fired the head civil servant at the Treasury so he could not put up a red flag. She refused to have them scrutinised by the Office for Budget Responsibility which is set up for the purpose. And she called the plans a “fiscal event” or an “interim statement” to avoid the parliamentary scrutiny which would have occurred if she had honestly called it a “budget”.

She has spent years being courted and brain-washed by far-right economic think-tanks(think the Koch Brothers, Murdoch and UK equivalents), and she honestly thought her plans were going to be universally applauded by the financial markets, because she thought these think-tanks were an accurate reflection of the markets. She was so certain that her tax cuts (funded by borrowing billions) was going to be popular with the markets that she didn’t even set out how she would pay those billions back.

It all utterly demented, and everyone now sees it. What we are witnessing now is how a parliamentary system can take power away as quickly as it gives it. Truss is now in Downing St but she will never again be in power. She will be in Downing St only until her party decides it is convenient for her to finally go. I give her to the end of the week, but I think it more likely she will be gone today or tomorrow, before Prime Minister’s Question Time.

by Anonymousreply 182October 18, 2022 9:05 AM

R55 exactly. They're like idiots arguing on deck while the ship I sinking. There is abject poverty in both countries and the Middle class is vanishing. This is true for the US and the UK (and we're pretty fucked in mainland Europe too.) Our overlords snicker while the dogs are fighting for scraps.

by Anonymousreply 183October 18, 2022 10:12 AM

Other than "the glory of becoming Prime Minister", what does any successor to Truss get out of it?

There will need to be an immediate general election which the Tories are destined to lose badly and that person would need to be trusted with rebuilding the party and trying to bring bitterly divided ideologues back together.

Meanwhile the Corbyn wing of Labour are having a meltdown over cranks not being allowed to stand as Labour parliamentary candidates in winnable seats.

Tory meltdown at the same time as Labour is showing a real seriousness

by Anonymousreply 184October 18, 2022 10:27 AM

[quote] There will need to be an immediate general election which the Tories are destined to lose badly and that person would need to be trusted with rebuilding the party and trying to bring bitterly divided ideologues back together.

There doesn’t need to be an immediate General Election, as long as the new Conservative leader commands a majority in the House of Commons. Indeed, constitutionally, King Charles will dissolve parliament only if he believes there is no alternative.

It may well be that parliament in general believes that a new election is essential, in which case an election will be called, but it is NOT essential.

I’m not even certain the politicians want it at the moment. The individual Conservative MPs face defeat and will want yo hang on as long as they can. The Conservative Party faces destruction and will want to hold on to hope that things get even a little better for them. And Labour may prefer to get into power a little later after the Tories have had to clean up the bed they have so obvious shat in.

by Anonymousreply 185October 18, 2022 10:45 AM

Something rather strange is going on today. The UK Defence Sec is making a short-notice trip to Washington today. There are all sorts of rumours that it’s about escalation/descalation in Ukraine or that it’s related to RAF pilots who have been training Chinese pilots…

by Anonymousreply 186October 18, 2022 11:34 AM

The UK government's collapse is complete.

It will never be President.

by Anonymousreply 187October 18, 2022 11:58 AM

Hey UK, can we have your stuff?

by Anonymousreply 188October 18, 2022 12:05 PM

R188, We gave you lots of nice things already: half of a continent. The Founding Fathers. A nice language.

And it isn’t going well. This is why you can’t have nice things…

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by Anonymousreply 189October 18, 2022 12:31 PM

[quote] I’ve only read half of this thread so far, so apologies if I am repeating a point that has already been made, but Truss’ problem is not that she is unintelligent. It’s that she is arrogant and lacks common sense.

Splitting hairs, R182.

Arrogance + Lack of Common Sense + Brainwashing By Far Right = (Essentially)Unintelligence.

Anyone with more than a few brain cells could have seen this coming. Truss drove the Brits over a cliff of her own volition while condemning those that warned her.

Anyway it’s spun, she has no one to blame but herself (and Kwasi) for her colossal stupidity.

Her [italic] Britain Unchained[/italic] has become Britain [bold] Unhinged[/bold].

by Anonymousreply 190October 18, 2022 3:30 PM

^ Any way not anyway (autocorrect)

by Anonymousreply 191October 18, 2022 3:32 PM

Good god, this bitch just sucks. I thought our American politicians were useless twats. This bitch takes it to a new level. In fact, why are you going through such a streak of useless twats, Britain? What is the problem there? Why do you all of a sudden suck at self-government?

by Anonymousreply 192October 18, 2022 3:34 PM

Not sure if it's insulting to people with autism but Truss comes across as someone on the spectrum. Very intelligent but very limited social skills and empathy.

by Anonymousreply 193October 18, 2022 3:35 PM

I think it's a generational thing. It used to be that intelligent people went into the public sector as well as the private one.

It became easier to make money and weld influence from the private sector and the intelligent people followed that path.

by Anonymousreply 194October 18, 2022 3:37 PM

[quote] Very intelligent

Where is evidence of this? We’ve seen no evidence of this since she stepped into 10 Downing Street.

Cuckholding her husband with a political mentor wasn’t exactly brilliant either.

Perhaps Brits have a different definition of intelligence?

by Anonymousreply 195October 18, 2022 3:43 PM

If you go to Oxford or Cambridge, you're a boney fried genius, R195. Unlike American universities, there is no concept of a legacy student and Lord Clitlick Bangingly Frumperdon Tysdale the fifty-twoth gets in on merit alone!

by Anonymousreply 196October 18, 2022 3:50 PM

[quote]Where is evidence of this? We’ve seen no evidence of this since she stepped into 10 Downing Street.

She went from a comprehensive school to Oxford University and qualified as an accountant. She's written several policy and research papers.

Of course intelligent people can do very stupid things and being intelligent doesn't mean you have empathy.

by Anonymousreply 197October 18, 2022 3:50 PM

[quote]qualified as an accountant.

Sounds like she should have stuck with that.

by Anonymousreply 198October 18, 2022 3:52 PM

[quote] Where is evidence of this?

She was one of a tiny minority of State school pupils who got accepted to Merton College, Oxford, was employed by Shell, qualified as a Chartered Management Accountant and became Economic Director of Cable & Wireless. Most people would consider her to have a fairly impressive brain and resume.

Her fatal flaw is that she believed everything told to her by those vested interests who supported her most closely. They told her that her economic were genius as long as she didn’t allow the reservations expressed by other dimmer people to make her lose faith. She therefore ignored everyone who told her she was taking a huge risk.

That’s why I said above that she is intelligent but lacks common sense. Anyone else would have paused and reflected on how he markets would react. Her tragedy is that she thought markets reacted solely rationally. They do not, and she gave them a fright and they acted to protect themselves from her recklessness. And now she is paying the consequences.

And, yes, I think she is on the spectrum too.

by Anonymousreply 199October 18, 2022 3:58 PM

[quote] She went from a comprehensive school to Oxford University and qualified as an accountant. She's written several policy and research papers.

Nothing. To. Do. With. Being. Prime. Minister.

This lady will go down in the history books derided and as a laughingstock for her ignorance and damage to the British economy and public. No one is going to care about some rinkydink research papers she once wrote.

Or her Oxford background.

Someone keeps harping on the Oxford history as though it absolves Liz of her woeful ignorance displayed in on a global stage.

by Anonymousreply 200October 18, 2022 3:59 PM

Sad, sounds like she's surrounded herself with people paid by the rich to tell her that giving more money to rich people is the only way to govern.

Sounds almost American.

by Anonymousreply 201October 18, 2022 4:01 PM

[quote]Nothing. To. Do. With. Being. Prime. Minister. This lady will go down in the history books derided and as a laughingstock for her ignorance and damage to the British economy and public. No one is going to care about some rinkydink research papers she once wrote. Or her Oxford background. Someone keeps harping on the Oxford history as though it absolves Liz of her woeful ignorance displayed in on a global stage.

No one here is saying that Liz Truss is credible Prime Minister or suited to the job. No one has said she's done a good job. You do realise that?

by Anonymousreply 202October 18, 2022 4:08 PM

[quote] Sounds almost American.

Indeed, R201.

Almost is the key word here. Difference being we do not pretend that politicians here are dolts, even if they attended prestigious universities or wrote fancy research papers.

Carry on with Intelligent Liz.

Though looks like you’ve joined the club.

Congrats!

by Anonymousreply 203October 18, 2022 4:11 PM

[quote] No one here is saying that Liz Truss is credible Prime Minister or suited to the job. No one has said she's done a good job. You do realise that?

Absolutely.

She’s demonstrated a lack of intelligence in her largest role yet.

That’s the point.

by Anonymousreply 204October 18, 2022 4:12 PM

First impression count and she fucked up giving the rich their tax breaks going for the tickle down economy argument which nobody bought.

by Anonymousreply 205October 18, 2022 4:16 PM

When I get irritated with our Boston Mayor, Michelle Wu, I just think of Liz Truss and the rest is east.

High intelligence does not equate to either political talent or skilled decision making. Voters need to start realizing this!

by Anonymousreply 206October 18, 2022 4:19 PM

She isn't even highly intelligent if she believes in that crap. Please, please stop going on about her Oxford/Merton degree - maybe if you'd actually been there you'd realise that it doesn't mean much.

by Anonymousreply 207October 18, 2022 4:22 PM

I have to admit r206, my fellow American, neither of us can say that the average American voter is burdened with an excessive interest in intelligence. It's much more about taking shit like Faith and Family and Gun Nut Nonsense far, far, far more seriously than any of that deserves. Also a rather pathetic worship of money and the rich. "he's rich! He must be awesome at everything!"

by Anonymousreply 208October 18, 2022 4:24 PM

I suggest we let the Tory voters who chose Liz Truss plug the £60bn hole she inflicted on the country in just 30 days. That’s about £740k each for the 80,000 who voted for her.

by Anonymousreply 209October 18, 2022 4:31 PM

[quote] If you go to Oxford or Cambridge, you're a boney fried genius, [R195]. Unlike American universities, there is no concept of a legacy student and Lord Clitlick Bangingly Frumperdon Tysdale the fifty-twoth gets in on merit alone!

Be honest, you know nothing about the UK education system, do you? There’s no reason why you would, of course, but you obviously don’t.

You don’t have to be a genius to go to Oxford or Cambridge, but you have to be exceptionally good at passing exams. You need a decent brain and you need to be able to absorb and reformulate knowledge effectively. It’s why rich people pay so much to have their kids privately educated to get an advantage. Private education at a school like Eton is where the lack of equality plays a role, because the extra money spent on education at that stage is the only way to game the system in your child’s favour.

You don’t get an advantage by being the child of a donor or of an alumnus. You get an advantage by having an above-average, extremely well-funded education. And even then, most privately educated kids will still not stand a chance at getting in to Oxford. That’s why so many of them will end up at universities just below Oxford or Cambridge, especially Edinburgh, St Andrews, Durham and Exeter: these are the places where posh kids congregate after a private education, because they are places where even an average brain can get admission if it benefits from excellent schooling.

People refer to Truss as intelligent because she is academically successful and managed to turn that into a career which until now would be envied by many. Academic intelligence is usually the way we judge intellect unless we see someone up-close. Now we see Truss more closely, and it is obvious that although academically intelligent, she lacks emotional intelligence and common-sense.

by Anonymousreply 210October 18, 2022 4:39 PM

[quote] She isn't even highly intelligent if she believes in that crap. Please, please stop going on about her Oxford/Merton degree - maybe if you'd actually been there you'd realise that it doesn't mean much.

Appreciate this, R207. Perhaps this means more to folks who are outside looking in rather than those who have peeked and stood behind the Oxford/Merton/Ivy curtain.

by Anonymousreply 211October 18, 2022 4:40 PM

[quote]You don’t have to be a genius to go to Oxford or Cambridge, but you have to be exceptionally good at passing exams. You need a decent brain and you need to be able to absorb and reformulate knowledge effectively. It’s why rich people pay so much to have their kids privately educated to get an advantage. Private education at a school like Eton is where the lack of equality plays a role, because the extra money spent on education at that stage is the only way to game the system in your child’s favour.

And yet Truss managed that without a private education.

by Anonymousreply 212October 18, 2022 4:46 PM

[quote] And yet Truss managed that without a private education.

Exactly, which is part of the reason why she impressed people. Of course, the people she impressed to become PM were people who were predisposed to be impressed by her: if you tell the largely elderly, fairly well-heeled Tory Party membership that you are going to cut their taxes while protecting their pensions,they will be impressed!

by Anonymousreply 213October 18, 2022 4:49 PM

[quote] People refer to Truss as intelligent because she is academically successful and managed to turn that into a career which until now would be envied by many. Academic intelligence is usually the way we judge intellect unless we see someone up-close. Now we see Truss more closely, and it is obvious that although academically intelligent, she [bold]lacks emotional intelligence and common-sense.[/bold]

Hate to break it to you, but as stated above, emotional [bold] intelligence[/bold] and common sense ARE within the umbrage of “intelligence”.

If the lady lacks these as you state, it shoots down the whole “intelligence” argument.

Memorisation of facts and figures has little relevancy if these are not integrated into a larger mosaic to produce a wholistic appreciation of how to use knowledge in a practical sense.

Can think of no greater use for “academic intelligence” than to lead an entire country successfully as Prime Minister.

Truss managed to muck it up in fewer days than the shelf life of lettuce.

Ergo, lacking in “intelligence”.

by Anonymousreply 214October 18, 2022 4:50 PM

Trust me, there are lots of fairly mediocre state school pupils there as well (yes, I have an Oxford degree myself).

by Anonymousreply 215October 18, 2022 4:52 PM

^ As do I, R216, and there were quite a few unintelligent Liz Truss types around.

Do believe the whole academic intelligence thing is a ruse for some.

by Anonymousreply 216October 18, 2022 4:56 PM

R216 Yeah, I think it's about being good at revision and memorisation to do well in your GCSEs and A levels, and then the interview entry system rewards confident blaggers who enjoy their subject.

by Anonymousreply 217October 18, 2022 4:58 PM

Academia qualification doesn't matter if your decision-making is based on some (secret) cult based agenda or whatever your rich donors want.

by Anonymousreply 218October 18, 2022 4:58 PM

[quote] Academia qualification doesn't matter if your decision-making is based on some (secret) cult based agenda or whatever your rich donors want.

Then it comes down to how good you can sell your shitty political schemes to the public.

by Anonymousreply 219October 18, 2022 4:59 PM

R182 Oh sure, there's no legacy admissions, and a huge donation for an academic project from a wealthy patron who also happens to have kids they want to go to Oxford won't matter in the least in the admissions process. No nepotism admissions either from former well-connected, rich alumni. If you believe any of that, you're very naive. Just because something isn't an established policy or practice doesn't mean it never happens anyway. Come ON.

by Anonymousreply 220October 18, 2022 5:08 PM

Falling for the fraud of Supply Side Economics in the 1980s makes some sense, in a try anything way. Falling for it now just seems stupid, despite all her intellectual credentials.

by Anonymousreply 221October 18, 2022 5:11 PM

But she went to Oxford!

She's a super-genius!

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by Anonymousreply 222October 18, 2022 5:15 PM

[quote] Not sure if it's insulting to people with autism but Truss comes across as someone on the spectrum. Very intelligent but very limited social skills and empathy.

She does have quite nice tits, though!

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by Anonymousreply 223October 18, 2022 7:03 PM

^^ weirdo obsessed with the Royal Family even though they have nothing to do with this.

by Anonymousreply 224October 18, 2022 7:06 PM

Weirdo stalker obsessed with R223 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

I guess that happens, when you have no life.

by Anonymousreply 225October 18, 2022 7:08 PM

R225 Do you not think it deeply wrong and invasive that you're utterly obsessed with every little thing about this family? It doesn't sit right with me. And in terms of politics, I am a democrat and really hate ignorant people thinking that the Royal Family has any real input or power.

by Anonymousreply 226October 18, 2022 7:19 PM

The British government has collapsed!

I was trotting along and suddenly

it started raining and snowing

and you said it was hailing

but hailing hits you on the head

hard so it was really snowing and

raining and I was in such a hurry

to meet you but the traffic

was acting exactly like the sky

and suddenly I see a headline

THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT HAS COLLAPSED!

there is sometimes snow in London

there is often rain in the Home Counties

I have been to lots of parties

and acted perfectly disgraceful

but I never actually collapsed

oh British Government we love you get up

by Anonymousreply 227October 18, 2022 7:22 PM

Are they just going to run through the entire Tory roster until they’re out of PMs or until the UK public finally catches on and throws the lot of them out on their asses?

by Anonymousreply 228October 18, 2022 8:15 PM

What will the UK do without a government?

by Anonymousreply 229October 19, 2022 1:49 AM

I may have missed it if someone else posted it but check out Charles’ greeting when she enters his office. Lol!

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by Anonymousreply 230October 19, 2022 2:09 AM

I’m envious that the British public has had it with the Tories and their support percentage has dropped so dramatically. Republicans won’t turn on their party like that, sadly, because they’re a fucking cult.

by Anonymousreply 231October 19, 2022 4:06 AM

Great Britain's prolapse is complete!

by Anonymousreply 232October 19, 2022 8:03 AM

R231 the Republicans in the USA haven't done anything comparable to the conservatives in the UK recently, that's the difference. It would be like if the Republicans nominated true believer Ron Paul as Treasury secretary--predictable results.

by Anonymousreply 233October 19, 2022 10:09 AM

No, just an armed assault on the capital, encouraged by an ex-president who refused to step down - with 82 year old Nancy Pelosi and other Congress people, many elderly, huddled in the basement, terrified.

But no tax cuts on the rich... well, there was Reagan and Bush and probably many since, but so we're used to it now...

by Anonymousreply 234October 19, 2022 3:53 PM

* Capitol - I think, somebody help me with English - I'm losing my mind over here in this mess.

Sorry about yo mess. You got a nice ferris wheel there in London town that I saw from the tour bus when I was there once.

by Anonymousreply 235October 19, 2022 3:55 PM

Goodbye Suella

by Anonymousreply 236October 19, 2022 5:03 PM

WE ARE ALL CHARLES WALKER

by Anonymousreply 237October 19, 2022 7:10 PM

Suella DeVille.

by Anonymousreply 238October 19, 2022 7:32 PM

Oh dear, Channel 4's Krishnan Guru Murthy has apologised for calling Tory MP Steve Baker a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 239October 19, 2022 7:39 PM

Rofl R239!!!

What in the fuck is happening over there???

It sounds like total chaos with the Truss government.

by Anonymousreply 240October 19, 2022 7:41 PM

R239 truer words have never been spoken.

by Anonymousreply 241October 19, 2022 8:10 PM

Link for the cunt.

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by Anonymousreply 242October 19, 2022 8:11 PM

So tonight, the Home Secretary resigned while facing the sack.

The Government Chief Whip and Deputy Chief Whip may or may not have resigned.

The government put a vote of no confidence to parliament on the issue of fracking, except no-one, including Conservative MPs, are sure if it was a vote of no confidence. However, 2 Cabinet Ministers shouted, pulled and bullied Tory MPs into the “correct” voting lobby, just in case.

Steve Baker is DEFINITELY a cunt. I saw it on the news.

And Tory Charles Walker, who I have a bit of a crush on, has had enough.

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by Anonymousreply 243October 19, 2022 8:44 PM

Following Andrew Neil (afneil) on Twitter (and clips of his tv show):

Ed Balls thinks it’s game over for Truss

Crispin Blunt becomes the first Tory MP to call publicly on Liz to quit. He says she’s finished and will be toppled.

George Osbourne said that over the last six years, Britain has become downgraded in the view of the int’l community as an economic entity and that is because its institutions are weaker; there’s been this relentless attack on the Bank of England, the treasury orthodoxy, and so on. Politics has been a mess, with repeated changes of PMs, 4 chancellors in 4 months, and Britain’s economic performance since Brexit has been markedly worse than it was previously set to be, and that is how the rest of the world looks at it. You have this unreality in the British political system – they don’t want to address the fundamental deterioration in the UK’s economic position in the world.

Andrew on Good Morning Britain saying that the pound market is nervous – “Nobody has to buy sterling. Everybody has to have dollars, not everybody has to have pounds – we have to make certain our finances are sound”

Looks like Braverman has used a technicality over security to resign as Home Secretary when the real reason was a bust up with Truss over immigration. Grant Shapps takes Home Office. The Centrists really are back in town. In a few short weeks, Truss + her know-nothing ideologues have: Trashed UK’s hard-won global reputation Trashed Tory party’s reputation for economic competence Trashed country’s reputation for fiscal rectitude. How much more damage must be inflicted before Tories act? Her government collapsing around her. She’s U-turned on nearly every major economic policy. Now lost control of economy policy. Lost her Chancellor, Home Secretary now Chief Whip, who just resigned. Replaced by non-Trussites. It’s over. Time for cabinet/senior Tory MPs to tell her, quickly, now.

Rishi Sunak is the bookies fav to replace Liz at 30%, with Jeremy Hunt at 19%

by Anonymousreply 244October 20, 2022 3:52 AM

England: Sad Last Days

First, King Tampon. Now this.

by Anonymousreply 245October 20, 2022 4:01 AM

UK, why is your country such a mess?

Is this all because of Brexit?

by Anonymousreply 246October 20, 2022 4:04 AM

[quote] Is this all because of Brexit?

Brexit is more a symptom than cause. The cause is our insane party system, which (like the American system) is based around the idea of 2 main parties wielding all the power.

The UK system has previously had the advantage of stability, in that either Labour or the Tories gets about 40% of the vote and that is sufficient to give that largest party a large majority which lasts for a full parliament.

However, the pressure from the smaller parties can rise up to threaten the larger parties (for example when the Liberals lost out to the newly founded Labour Party in the early 20th century). In the present case, around 15 years ago the Tories (who were already fairly split on EU membership) began to lose votes to UKIP which is further to the right and stridently anti-EU. To try to win back support, the Conservative leadership promised to hold a referendum on Leaving the EU.

When the Brexit vote was won, much of the UKIP support went directly to the Tories, pushing the party further to the right, and essentially worsening a split between traditional centre-right Tories and those who who were further right. The new members and the Brexit victory has emboldened the rightwing of the party to try to take control. Boris Johnson made this problem worse by expelling a group of pro-EU Tories from the party when he became leader.

I see real parallels between the US right and the UK right at the moment. Essentially, both the Republicans and the Tories have a traditional section of the party which is struggling to contain a batshit crazy Section (the Trumpers and the UKIPers). Unfortunately, the crazy groups in both the Republican and the Tory Party are on the rise, but they are terrible at governing.

The interesting thing is that there is at least the hope that when Truss is chucked out, there is a good chance that she will have discredited her section of the party so much that the more traditionalist centre-right faction will take back power. The crazies installed Johnson and Truss, but they won’t get another chance.

by Anonymousreply 247October 20, 2022 9:28 AM

Sorry, that post was way too long.

by Anonymousreply 248October 20, 2022 9:31 AM

R247: No, it wasn't. It was very helpful to this American.

by Anonymousreply 249October 20, 2022 9:38 AM

It’s all fallen apart since the Queen died.

by Anonymousreply 250October 20, 2022 10:09 AM

Liz Truss has Corbynised the Conservative party. Unfortunately she's in government so can't hide the catastrophic failings.

She'll be gone by teatime.

by Anonymousreply 251October 20, 2022 11:33 AM

She’s gone!

by Anonymousreply 252October 20, 2022 12:42 PM

Wait, what???

Liz Truss resigned, R252???

The LETTUCE WON!!

by Anonymousreply 253October 20, 2022 12:45 PM

The UK will have its first Indian Prime Minister.

by Anonymousreply 254October 20, 2022 12:50 PM

[quote]The UK will have its first Indian Prime Minister.

British Indian, please.

If I was advising Rishi I'd say no, you don't want to lead a party into a catastrophic victory. This is the role for a caretaker, not a future leader.

Michael Gove, your time is now.

by Anonymousreply 255October 20, 2022 12:53 PM

[quote] If I was advising Rishi I'd say no, you don't want to lead a party into a catastrophic victory. This is the role for a caretaker, not a future leader.

That's a load of horse shit.

Barack Obama was both a caretaker AND a leader.

He was handed the worst US economy in history, and in eight years, turned our entire economy around and set it on a track for an economic BOOM by the time he left office.

This is one of those points in history where a true leader can emerge, be tested, and come out victorious.

If Sunak cannot turn the UK around at this critical point in your history, then he was never a good leader to begin with.

by Anonymousreply 256October 20, 2022 12:57 PM

Barack Obama had 4 years to do his job.

This government will be gone by the end of the year. Labour will call a vote of no confidence next week and a lot of Tories will vote for it.

The 2019 election was voted for by MPs on October 28th and took place on 12th December.

I'd go for the 8th December over the 15th.

by Anonymousreply 257October 20, 2022 1:04 PM

R257 Tories won't vote to lose their job. They will prefer to hold on and see if the polling gets better.

by Anonymousreply 258October 20, 2022 1:10 PM

Did you not see the MPs yesterday? Surprisingly there are Tories with a sense of shame.

Between the decent wets and the scorched earth right wing nutters, there are enough to vote with the opposition in a vote of no confidence.

by Anonymousreply 259October 20, 2022 1:16 PM

R259 A tiny minority but most of them won't.

by Anonymousreply 260October 20, 2022 1:18 PM

They don't need most of them.

by Anonymousreply 261October 20, 2022 1:32 PM

And thus Truss becomes the British PM with the shortest tenure in history.

by Anonymousreply 262October 20, 2022 1:36 PM

I told you I was hardcore.

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by Anonymousreply 263October 20, 2022 1:51 PM

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer looks worried

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by Anonymousreply 264October 20, 2022 1:58 PM

Why was BJ ousted?

by Anonymousreply 265October 20, 2022 2:12 PM

Ex-olympian and Conservative candidate Alex Story joins @Nigel_Farage

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by Anonymousreply 266October 20, 2022 2:19 PM

British Prime Minister @trussliz Resignation Statement: "I cannot deliver the mandate on which I was elected by the Conservative Party. I have therefore spoken to His Majesty the King to notify him that I am resigning as leader of the Conservative Party."

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by Anonymousreply 267October 20, 2022 2:22 PM

HAH!

by Anonymousreply 268October 20, 2022 2:41 PM

R266 very funny. I watched the first 5 minutes of the video, it was the most I could tolerate. 3 minutes are a preamble from the hostess, 30 seconds of beer chugging and the remainder are the guest whispering an answer in response to the preamble. So irritating.

The comments posted by bots are hilarious. "Story is such a good speaker" . He's a whisperer who spoke in platitudes.

The answer from the guest is,Boris Johnson was widely elected to office and should be returned to office.

by Anonymousreply 269October 20, 2022 2:53 PM

The sad thing is if this is true. Then Boris has a pretty big chance of getting back in given what the party membership is made up of at this point.

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by Anonymousreply 270October 20, 2022 2:57 PM

The UK would be an utter fucking worldwide laughingstock if Boris returned.

by Anonymousreply 271October 20, 2022 3:33 PM

We would but there's genuinely no one else I can think of that would beat him in that vote with those voters if he actually wants back in. Sunack is only popular with the MP's not the members so I'd honestly say its between him and Mordaunt, and given she's the one responsible for the tiny table at the ascension council Charles may actually march on parliament if she gets in.

by Anonymousreply 272October 20, 2022 3:41 PM

Charles has nothing to do with any of this. Why are people here so obsessed with the royal family. The monarch just does what Parliament tells him to do.

by Anonymousreply 273October 20, 2022 3:44 PM

r273 I was making a joke you autistic cunt

by Anonymousreply 274October 20, 2022 3:55 PM

R274 Don't become a comedian.

by Anonymousreply 275October 20, 2022 4:04 PM

I'm so confused. Financial markets freak out because she cut taxes without changes in spending? That's standard operating procedure in the US (except that we raise spending).

by Anonymousreply 276October 20, 2022 4:32 PM

R276 The GB pound is not the same as the US dollar... to say the least.

by Anonymousreply 277October 20, 2022 4:34 PM

WHOA. Graham Brady announces that the nomination threshold for leadership will be 100 MPs. Significantly limits potential number of candidates.

by Anonymousreply 278October 20, 2022 4:41 PM

(To put that in perspective, there are 357 Conservative MPs at present. So any candidates are going to need a v. significant amount of support. We won't be getting any niche crazies this time around or so I think...... famous last words.)

by Anonymousreply 279October 20, 2022 4:43 PM

Braverman and Badenoch won't both be getting anywhere - the ERG/Libertarian crazies will have to coalesce around one person. The surviving One Nation Tories should be able to field a candidate - there are 80 or so of them to begin with, so don't need many more. Where will the Red Wallers go?

by Anonymousreply 280October 20, 2022 5:03 PM

Boris would find it hard to get to 100 too......... smart policy.

by Anonymousreply 281October 20, 2022 5:05 PM

If Rishi gets it and turns around the fortunes of the Conservative Party he will go down in history as one of the great Tory PMs on par with Churchill and Disreali. That's reason enough for him to go for it.

by Anonymousreply 282October 20, 2022 5:44 PM

[quote]If Rishi gets it and turns around the fortunes of the Conservative Party he will go down in history as one of the great Tory PMs on par with Churchill and Disreali. That's reason enough for him to go for it.

What would be the definition of "turning around the fortunes of the Conservative Party"?

Because right now the Tory party is trash, in the way Labour was under Corbyn.

The next PM needs to focus on the country and not the psychodrama amongst the rabble of ideological MPs, many of who should never have ever been allowed to stand for Parliament.

by Anonymousreply 283October 20, 2022 5:52 PM

I think 'turning around the fortunes of the Conservative Party' would mean winning the next election. I still remember how Cameron was hailed as a virtual hero even though he didn't even win enough seats for a majority his first time around. And then the next time he only won a small majority. Yet Tory MPs broadly supported him. Which actually does show you how much being good at party management counts.

by Anonymousreply 284October 20, 2022 5:59 PM

[quote] WHOA. Graham Brady announces that the nomination threshold for leadership will be 100 MPs. Significantly limits potential number of candidates.

Does this "threshold" change arbitrarily?

One day it's 50, the next day it's 100, another day it's 150?

No wonder the British government is a mess.

It sounds like they make up the rules as they go along.

In the US, Federal voting/election rules are always consistent, when it comes to choosing our leader. And it has been for over 200 years.

by Anonymousreply 285October 20, 2022 6:00 PM

Turning around the Conservative Party means formulating policy the Party can get behind and which have at least some success so that the Tories stay in power.

by Anonymousreply 286October 20, 2022 6:00 PM

R285 This is about the rules about choosing the *candidate* who represents your party. American political parties can choose to change those rules too (and they have recently too). It's just simply that the Brits can do it while a PM is in the middle of their term. You may think this is bad but on the flipside, if you had the British rules, Republicans may have been able to get rid of Trump fairly soon so I have a hard time seeing one system as necessarily better than the other.

by Anonymousreply 287October 20, 2022 6:16 PM

Dick & Dom want an election calling on NOW!

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by Anonymousreply 288October 20, 2022 7:12 PM

The head of lettuce 🥬 won! To think that the longest reigning monarch was followed by the shortest serving PM has got to be a sign for the Brit’s.

by Anonymousreply 289October 20, 2022 8:38 PM

I'm meltiinggggg!!!!!!!!

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by Anonymousreply 290October 22, 2022 1:04 AM

Oh, collapse already!

by Anonymousreply 291October 22, 2022 2:40 AM

Larry the Cat announced on twitter that the King has appointed him Prime Minister.

by Anonymousreply 292October 22, 2022 3:01 AM

Has it collapsed yet?

by Anonymousreply 293October 22, 2022 6:41 PM

I'm going on holiday to Greece!

by Anonymousreply 294October 22, 2022 7:14 PM

And Boris just cut short his holiday to come back and take over.

They really take the job seriously, don't they? Like teenagers with a pizza delivery gig.

by Anonymousreply 295October 22, 2022 7:15 PM

[quote] They really take the job seriously, don't they? Like teenagers with a pizza delivery gig.

Well at least you know the Indian guy will do a better job, because their restaurants are more profitable.

by Anonymousreply 296October 23, 2022 2:19 AM

Dot or feather?

Casino or call centre?

by Anonymousreply 297October 23, 2022 3:09 AM

R297 Chabads

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by Anonymousreply 298October 23, 2022 10:32 AM

[quote] British Government Close to Collapse as Chancellor Fired After 38 Disastrous Days in Office

British Government HAS Collapsed.

There, I fixed it for you.

by Anonymousreply 299October 23, 2022 3:35 PM
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