Serious Question for DL's Trans-Obsessed Posters

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We get that R1

You and your crew have made those point time and again and most DLers seem to agree with you, if not fully than mostly.

So why constantly repeat your talking points over and over, creating new threads and hijacking threads that have nothing to do with trans?

I wish with popularity of transgenderism that ex-gay reparative therapy, or what they call reintegrative therapy today, also became popular. If we are going to live in a dystopia, then we need to include all the horrors of a dystopia.

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I've never created a thread about it or brought up the topic in another unrelated thread, but i don't like that we aren't allowed to discuss it. I think that riles a lot of posters up and possibly explains why they are so frequent. Also, since they are deleted regularly, that might explain why it seems they are always creating new threads.

I think it should be discussed since it's very relevant to gays as it;s essentially homophobia, but I don't agree with dragging any topics into unrelated threads - it's annoying.

Because transtrenders have turned a serious condition into a cute lifestyle and activists of affirm at all costs treatment will only lead to countless kids being transed into actual gender dysphoria .

The easiest way for Muriel to prevent multiple threads on this topic popping up all the time is to not delete the ones that exist.

I don't really understand the motivation to delete.

Datalounge is following Reddit. It’s sad.

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R9 I totally get that, but my argument is that by shutting down the threads it makes people feel like that want to make even more threads - banning something just increases people's desire to talk about it, so what Muriel is doing is counterproductive to what she seems to want to do (i.e making people shut up about it).

We saw it a couple of years ago with the royal threads - when it was completely banned, a million popped up every day. By allowing threads on the topic, people make fewer of them (obviously they went beserk when the queen died, but now they are somewhat more controlled).

One moron on the now closed Mermaids thread (reply 54) lied and said that "nobody" wants effeminate gay men to have transitioned earlier in life and said "lies" (i.e. facts) like that are why "these threads are so deplorable".

The use of "deplorables" gives him away as an American, but that's still no excuse for him not to understand that that is exactly what Mermaids has been doing - promoting the physical mutilation of gay youth to stop them from being gay. The leader of Mermaids, Susie Green, whisked her son off to Thailand as soon as he turned 16 to get him "transitioned" (physically mutilated) because he was "effeminate" and they were worried he would be gay.

Now Mermaids has been promoting the idea that children as young as 2 can be trans and that they should be socially transitioned as early as possible and also physically transitioned as early as possible, e.g. by giving little girls binders so their breasts don't grow. They are even sending little girls binders behind their parents' backs.

Muriel must be one of those "LGBTQIA+" who fully supports the physical mutilation of children so as to prevent them from growing up gay.

The disgusting Mermaids has already proved its homophobia by trying to get the only organisation in the UK that works for the rights of gay people, LGB Alliance, stripped of its charity status. That has only boomeranged against Mermaids, as it has put the spotlight on it, and it is now being investigated for secretly sending little girls binders and forcother things and its trustees are being exposed as advocates of pedophilia. This is what Muriel and all those morons who swing into the trans threads to tell us we're "right wing" support.

because im sick of seeing every 'gay' pornstar and twitter slut suddenly chowing down on pussy. im sick of places that were once bastions of male homosexuality like MAL or kink spaces go all in on this FTM shit. Its gaslighting homophobic bullshit

TRANNIES!

R11, “LGB Alliance” has been proven to be a homophobic organisation that has done nothing for LGB people. Fuck off with the rest of your crap. R9, you’re so deluded it doesn’t occur to you that a GAY website for GAY people doesn’t want to hear about trans obsessive TERF ideological claptrap.

r14 So this is a 'gay' website, for 'gay' people? Let me ask you, you think its 'gay' to fuck a trans 'man'? You think eating out and cumming in snatch is 'gay'? You think that on a 'gay' website the fact this is being rammed down 'gay' mens throat cant be discussed on this 'gay' website?

feminist shit is irrelevant

R15, but that is not what is being discussed in the thousands of anti-trans threads that have been created here because that’s not what appeals to the anti-trans obsessives. The radical “feminist shit” is what is being pushed here. Right wing/ TERF homophobes using homophobic rhetoric from the 70s to attack trans is the bigger issue because it effects LGB people as well.

we have sites like Raw Fuck Club which used to be unabashedly male in everything going ftm scene after scene; getting all their stars to fuck pussy now. I hate it ,I hate this institutional gaslighting. Young gays now think that all gay men do and should fuck pussy now as porn is (like it or not) such a big gateway into discovering your identity. Its enraging.

Oh fuck, r14. LGB Alliance is not a homophobic organisation and it has not been "proven" to be. Your fave organisation is run by a woman who transed her son at 16 so he wouldn't be gay.

You and r16 are the homophobes - you are the enemies of same-sex attraction and you smear and attack gay men and lesbians for being attracted to their own sex. You both also support gay conversion therapy and the erasure of gay people.

While we're on the subject, the dystopian, child-mutilating "gender-affirming care for trans kids" should be shut down. There is no such thing as a "trans child". "Trans lesbians" are creepy men and they should leave lesbians alone. Homosexual transwomen (i.e. gay men) should accept that they are not women and never will be and learn to deal with their internalised homophobia.

I know people personally who literally live on twitter posting over 100 times (including RTs, QTs etc) per day, every single day, and every single tweet is anti-trans content. All joy and variety appear to have been extinguished from these people's lives. All appreciation of art and culture, all engagement with other political issues, all ability to relate to other people interested in other topics. These are the same people who mindlessly and relentlessly drag trans issues into totally unrelated threads here on Datalounge.

It's a tiny bit scary, I would think even if you agree with them. They call 'gender ideology' a cult but they act like cultists themselves.

R20, standing up for the validity of biological sex - and hence the validity of homosexuality - is not "anti trans".

Are these people who you allegedly know personally your friends? Perhaps they're worried about some of the pro-trans legislation that some governments are stupidly and naively proposing, e.g. self-id, which will mean men in women's spaces where they are not fully dressed or vulnerable, or putting youth on puberty blockers and encouraging them to wear breast binders or to "tuck".

The people who try to warn of the dangers of putting male sex offenders in women's prisons should be praised. According to you, however, protecting women is "anti trans".

[quote]One moron on the now closed Mermaids thread (reply 54) lied and said that "nobody" wants effeminate gay men to have transitioned earlier in life

R11, I was the one who that poster replied to, and I specifically mentioned two DL posters by name who have flat-out stated, more than once, that effeminate gay men (usually Dataloungers but I'd wager that feeling extends to beyond them) might as well have transitioned early in life, and I strongly suspect one of them is the one who created this thread (hint: Upper West Side rich boy, Datalounge's own version of Billy Eichner). You just cannot argue with what you can see, and that appears to be a prevalent sentiment around this loveable snakepit.

I mean, look at the phraseology OP used: "While there are indeed some effeminate gay men who really do feel like women and who will transition and go on to date men..." as if it's a given, something we should just accept without any question (e.g. we cannot offer any dissenting opinion on what Susie Green and Jeanette Jennings did to their children), and it's something little effeminate boys should aspire to.

Oh, and BTW, regarding Lia Thomas, it was declared repeatedly by pro-trans DLers that no Datalounger was allowed to have an opinion on that. Also, it's been made plainly clear that we're not to offer any kind of opinion on Kayla Lemieux either.

R21 I don't particularly want to engage in debate on what are already very well-trodden paths in this thread. I've said before, elsewhere, that I find some arguments on each side credible. One of the main problems, it seems to me, is that we lack sufficient knowledge on what the transgender condition really is and what causes people to wish to transition. However, this thread is not about trans people themselves but about the posters who are obsessed with them.

The person I was referring to was a former friend, but we didn't fall out over the trans debate. He has had substance abuse problems amongst other issues and it was, to say the least, disheartening to see his downward spiral into internet addiction and unwavering obsession with this particular issue. I have noticed, as I think the OP in this thread also has, that on Datalounge it is always the anti-trans side (or trans-critical, or whatever term you want to use) which endlessly diverts threads on other topics on very tenuous and tangential links back into the trans debate. I generally don't see pro-trans voices doing so. I find that very interesting, for what it's worth.

R18, LGB Alliance cofounder said gay men are predators and should be kept away from children, they don’t believe being gay is innate, supported voting against gay marriage and against gay conversion therapy.

This came straight from the horses mouth, and has been known for quite some time now. They were never a gay rights organisation and the fact you’re trying to lie about it is just pathetic at this point.

Who is this R24, and is there is evidence of this?

I heard a rumor that Dark Minge Lord at r1 had been redtagged, but I guess not. Muriel can find some of Davida's sockpuppets, but apparently not all of them.

How come nobody can provide anti-gay quotes of this organization. Those are huge attacks against gay men.

[quote]The easiest way for Muriel to prevent multiple threads on this topic popping up all the time is to not delete the ones that exist.

This is a massive, massive lie. Like the Meghan threads, there are always a bunch of trans threads going at once, and only some get deleted. Trolls start several threads all at once.

Right now there are several active: trans interspecies, 1776, Geraldine, trans man pregnancy, trans fetuses, trans Capital One hacker, and this one. That's just in the last 5 days.

R25, R27, Malcolm Clark, the co-founder of LGB Alliance has stated this publicly. It’s not that hard for you to look it up.

We've posted the LGB Alliance fuckery so many times, you guys just pretend to have never seen it.

The LGB Alliance is funded by the religious right.

LGB Alliance is in bed with the Heritage Foundation

LGB Alliance wants to keep conversion therapy for gays legal

LGB Alliance says they're not homophobes just because they don't support gay marriage

It expressed concern that "the current push to ban conversion therapy... is being used as political cover to promote an affirmation-only approach to gender identity". In her response to a recent debate on the issue, Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch said the government did not "intend to stop those who wish to seek spiritual counselling as they explore their sexual orientation".

She added that conversion therapy had "no place in a civilised society", but added that "robust" laws were already in place to deal with the most troubling examples, involving violence and sexual assault.

“It” - LGB Alliance that is ^

LGB Alliance local group supporting civil unions instead of marriage for gays

There are gays who don’t support gay marriage because it’s heteronormative.

LGB Alliance loves Baroness Nichol who is openly homophobic and against gay marriage

LGB Alliance went on a homophobic rant around Memorial Day and when I went to find the tweets, all I found was a screen grab of the tweets having been deleted by Twitter

LGB Alliance says if you put a + after "LGBT" that means gays want dog fuckers as part of our community

Well, it’s okay to be against this organization and “gender affirmation” too.

They are correct at R40. Your post is hyperbole.

LGB Alliance at the Conservative Party Conference this year (they also went last year) promoting Conservatives For Women

LGB Alliance's Kate Barker says only 7% of their membership is lesbian during court testimony, and implies that LGB Alliance membership is made up of the same percentage of gay/lesbian/bi/ hetero as the general population, which would imply that most of their members are straight.

r5, that's a good point. "Trans" being the only topic on this board that will get a thread wiped --not just closed, but DELETED altogether-- is a fucking problem in and of itself. before one of the tranny panderers says it: NO, the deletions have fuck all to do with the comments being inflammatory, the comments being in bad taste, or the threads being repetitive.

There are threads where people have said they wish more Jews were gassed, threads where commenters laughed at white female crime victims for being white and female, threads where people promoted eugenics/sterilization for Blacks or out right likened them to monkeys, threads where people talk about Latino immigrants like they're roaches swarming the country, threads where we laughed about a kid being decapitated on a waterslide, threads where people made fun of a dead fetus that was ejected in a severe car accident, threads where people likened displaced Muslims to an invasion and promoted sterilizing them, thread after thread about the fucking BRF and Markle, etc, etc. There have been far more repetitive and gob smacking things said about other groups on here than what's said about trannies, but I'm supposed to believe that Muriel was so scandalized that she deleted those trans threads? This is nothing more than trannies weaseling their way into the platform and shutting down the thread to shut down discussion.

r40 et al , LGB very likely partners with the conservatives because left leaning organizations won't touch any initiative that openly questions the trans push. If this weren't the case, I'd agree that this behavior is questionable. As for their 'homophobia', I've seen nothing from them that's any more homophobic than what's promoted by trans and their allies (e.g., telling gay men they're bigoted for not fucking/dating trans men, instructing us on how to eat out a trans man, trans men constantly using "faggot").

R24 is a complete, total and utter liar.

As is r44, LGB Alliance is a campaign group, it doesn't have a "membership" (in the same way that Stonewall and Mermaids don't have memberships) and a "membership" is not even what she's referring to in that tweet. By the way, Mermaids really showed themselves up by taking LGB Alliance to a tribunal. Rather than getting LGB Alliance stripped of its charity status, Mermaids now finds itself under investigation by the Charity Commission and has had some of its funding stopped.

The trans cultists are so stupid they don't even realise that when they spew their lies and falsehoods they simply show themselves up.

If they’re conservative, that’s too bad. They should be apolitical, but again, you can be against this group and “gender identity”.

[quote]"Trans" being the only topic on this board that will get a thread wiped

Not even fucking close. Wordle and Meghan threads are notorious for being deleted. Anything that would be considered to be talking ABOUT the forum -- technical problems, threads about specific users, threads on trolls -- are deleted. Threads on that one weatherman. Racebait threads are regularly deleted. Some threads that are perfectly innocuous are deleted and no one knows why.

Stop lying. Stop spending 20 minutes writing out huge essays that are all lies. Pull yourself together and get a life.

r48, Wordle threads are allowed. Do a search and you'll see that around 40% are still up and accessible. I'll compromise and lump it in with the verboten DL topics since 60% of threads on such a benign topic being deleted is high. That said, I'm going to disagree on the Markle threads being deleted as often. There are [bold]a ton[/bold] of threads on that frau still up and available to post in. She's not a forbidden topic.

To the poster that tried to chastise me in the "why does thread about trans people get nuked?" thread:

I made an honest mistake about this thread being deleted. I did a search that lead to a now deleted thread, left the tab, and wasn't paying close enough attention when I returned.

Having said that, any thoughts as to why I have to post this response here and not in that thread (linked below)? Could it be because the thread was... DELETED? This thread will follow that one into the memory hole before the end of the week.

R37, LGB Alliance claims to be an organisation for gay rights but doesn’t support gay marriage so it’s not a gay rights organisation then is it? I’m yet to see any positive thing they’ve actually done for gay people.

DEATH TO TROONS

R42, Using conservative rhetoric and the classic “slippery slope” argument to attack LGBT isn’t “hyperbole”, you dolt. The only thing correct is LGB Alliance’s self admission to being a homophobic organisation.

Look at the mental rot that’s on display with, R45, Lol. There’s a reason why your threads keep getting deleted.

Gays aren’t going to join forces with conservative/right wing homophobes just because you have a hate boner for trans.

R46, Nothing in my post said anything about “membership”. Nice attempt at a deflection and “whatboutism”.

This is the problem with TERFs and anti-trans loons, they only have one script and can’t come up with anything better other than “trans is bad”.

You can keep peddling your bullshit all you want, sweetie. But anyone here can easily look up what the LGB Alliance is about and that their founders are grifters.

R46, you can’t prove anything that was said at R24 is a lie because you’re full of shit. Again, these are the words that came out of LGB Alliance co-founder Malcolm Clark’s mouth and he PUBLICLY said gay men are predators.

Sorry, R46, I did not realize that the second half of your post wasn’t addressed to me, however I still stand by what I said given that you’re desperately trying to push an agenda here.

The nutcase transloon at r50, r51, r52, r53, r54 and r55 is typical of the tranny bullshiters. He keeps throwing out fabricated allegations about LGB Alliance and its organisers yet never, ever, ever quotes or links to or gives any sources for his lies.

This is why Mermaids' attack on LGB Alliance has failed and why Mermaids itself is the one now under investigation. Mermaids - the child mutilation organisation that seeks to trans kids, especially gay youth - has led this garbage onslaught against LGB Alliance, because LGB Alliance stands for the rights and dignity of same-sex attracted people. Yet, the truth is, Mermaids are the ones run by a bunch of gay-hating, anti-same-sex marriage pedos: their trustee Jacob Breslow was forced to stand down last week after the spotlight was shone on his advocacy of pedophilia.

Moreover, Jacob Breslow (who is "queer") is against same-sex marriage, as his "queer" brother Aaron revealed some years ago now:

[quote]But there’s a problem: Mr. Breslow, who calls himself queer rather than gay, philosophically opposes marriage. “I don’t understand the concept of legalized monogamy and normalcy,” said Mr. Breslow, who has a brother, Jacob, also gay. “My brother and I both studied queer theory.”

It's LGB Alliance's attackers who are against same-sex marriage, who "don't say gay" but insist on "queer" instead, and who are supporters of pedophilia.

I actually think a large part of the explanation for Malcolm Clark might be that he came of age as a gay man during the AIDS epidemic and didn't get to have all the sex young people are having now, and boy does he hate them for it.

^ Are trans known for their particularly active sex lives? I think the imagination is a lot more important for them. Certainly more than it is for gay men.

R59 He's mad at young gay people too: the ones more likely to support LGBTQ+, dye their hair blue and fuck without a condom.

Not an uncommon eldergay thing: start a thread on PreP and you'll see it here.

I see. I assumed that, by "explanation for Malcolm Clark", you meant an explanation for his views on trans.

I like this LGB Alliance group. I think they’re very pragmatic, that’s not something appreciated today.

What's pragmatic about them, R63?

Gen Z doesn’t fuck, condom or no condom.

Just read that Wikipedia, R64. Seems pretty good to me.

R57 speaks a lot of sense. There's nuance to most arguments, but TRAs seem to see things (ironically) in very binary terms. You're either with them 100% or a hate-filled 'TERF'.

I could say I'm not in favour of gay men in the military. That does not make me homophobic. It's because I'd rather not see anyone join the military, whether they're gay, bisexual or straight. But I think it's wrong anyone should be discriminated against just because of their sexual orientation.

Similarly I would say I'm absolutely 100% in favour of trans people living their lives, having legal protections at work and should not be discriminated against because of their gender identity etc etc. But I think self-ID is something that perhaps needs a bit more thought to it as it can so easily be exploited. That makes me a hateful transphobe apparently.

[quote]I could say I'm not in favour of gay men in the military. That does not make me homophobic.

Jesus.

R68 proving the point. Read the whole paragraph dumbass.

I love how OP thinks there's a general consensus with his points, especially points 1, 3 and 4. No, we've seen plenty of posts on DL in support of kids younger than 18 transitioning (see the recent Jon Stewart or Boston Children's Hospital threads - before they get nuked), posts stating that it is indeed fair for transwomen to compete in sports with 'ciswomen', and posts declaring that there's no problem with these same transwomen in the female locker rooms.

A lot of DLers also appear to be just fine with point #6 - they don't care about their own issues and priorities when there's a possibility of a Stunning and Brave individual out there being literally murdered by a misgendering.

DEATH TO TROONS