The Watcher - Ryan Murphy’s Latest on Netflix, just in time for Halloween

Murphy's writing only sucks when he doesn't have a "spine" to the story. That usually leads him to go wild and throw in either too much or not enough.

The true story here has been documented over and over again. He can't screw this up.

I'm sure it will actually be good.

R2 This true crime story doesn't really have a spine though: it's a mystery that was never solved. I expect Murphy to play it straight at first, then choose one of the many theories and go off the rails with it.

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Oh look.

My husband in something new!

Yeah for me.

Jennifer Coolidge looks like a ripe WASP peach in this and it seems from the preview that her character is multi dimensional.

Naomi is THE QUEEN of smart, complex horror movies. I think she’ll have a hit here.

Reminds me of the Circleville letters.

MF.

R7 Now THAT mystery is one with enough conflict to make a movie out of even though it was never solved.

The story is creepy and interesting, but there's not enough material to sustain an entire miniseries. So I hope they go wild and campy with it. Artistic license.

I don’t see the big mystery.

Someone didn’t want the Irish moving in the neighborhood and lowering property values.

R10 I doubt it follows what really happened. Nothing bad actually happened to the real people behind being spooked and harassed right? That isnt scary enough for a show.

Some people theorize that someone in the family did it so that they could aallbask in all the publicity and cash-in on book/television/movie deals.

Naomi has oviously had an eye and neck lift. Most likely Botox as well.

Endless cheap jump scares? No thank you.

He’s a hack. This looks like another quickie piece of shit.

You had me till you said Ryan Murphy. That means it will start good then turn to crap. Like all his stuff. Waste of time.

Boo, bitch!

Whose celebrity kid is in this one?

Some people believe that it was all just a real estate scam and they luck into a deal with Netflix.

My granddaughter’s babydaddy used to do good work, now he is a sell out

r19 One of John Farrow’s and Maureen O’Sullivan’s girls

Choo, Choo 😢🚂

May I go swim in the pond now, Mommy? May I eat a pop tart, Mommy? May I use the restroom, Mommy? You’re the best Mommy ever, Mommy! Yes, Daddy still scares me. Yes, I’ll never trust anyone but you. Yes, I love you, Mommy! 😵‍💫

[quote] Naomi is THE QUEEN of smart, complex horror movies. I think she’ll have a hit here.

Sweetie, you may want to do a little research and then rethink that statement because the exact opposite is true.

One of the artistic licenses he took was the boy in the pool, you know that didn’t happen in suburbia. The desperation.

It’s like a gay fever dream. Jennifer Coolidge and Mia Farrow.

I'm one of the few people who never got the love for Jennifer Coolidge. SHe's not untalented, but she's pretty much got one performance in her that she's bale to vary very slightly per project. And it gets old fast.

Naomi loves the roles where she can do the beautiful suffering, doesn’t she?

I want an anonymous letter, real bad!

Two thoughts: 1) Will watch for Margo Martindale, who elevates everything she’s in.

2) These Ryan Murphy horror projects always disappoint. They start with a concept that they really haven’t fleshed out, Ryan works on the first couple of show and moves on, and it always peters out.

Can Ryan maintain an erection?

I'll give it a try for the cast, despite Ryan Murphy.

The memory of Nurse Ratched is fresh.

The whole exercise was fucking ludicrous. You’d fail a screenwriting 101 course with the scripts they shot.

The fact that they changed the real people's names gives me hope that this won't be an incredible slog and Murphy will have some fun with it.

R31 A more important question is, can Ryan maintain a plot line?

Begins streaming tomorrow on Netflix. Can’t wait!

JESUS, Watts can't say NO to anything. She has to be in the running for the choice of worst movies ever. Second only to Ryan Reynolds.

[quote]Begins streaming tomorrow on Netflix. Can’t wait!

I just watched the 1st episode, not sure what to make of it yet.

Variety panned it.

First episode sucked.

Jinxx Monsoon has a sketch comedy show where she plays both Jennifer Coolidge and Jennifer Tilly in a weekly sketch called "Jennifer."

It's both hilarious and terrifying at the same time.

It's just ok, I know the real story, so I'm wondering where it's going to go too. There's many liberties taken.

Is it me, or do the children seem to be modeled on and playing younger versions of Will Poulter and Emma Roberts in We’re the Millers?

It was a creepy enough story on its own without Ryan Murphy fucking it up. I’m out after two episodes. Way too silly for me.

Four minutes in and Mia Farrow looking like she came from an audition for an ‘autistic Wednesday Addams’ really set the tone of where this is going.

I think the only reason Mia is there is to give the spook factor of Rosemary and those other chiller movies she made, she’s a short cut for the audience to think something creepy is going on.

R46 the only thing you wonder when you see Mia is if there is a train set in the attic.

The father pretty much outted himself as the watcher when the neighbors caught him sending them anonymous letters. The family couldn’t afford the home- planned on dividing into two lots to sell at a profit and quickly learned they couldn’t. By then it was too late to back out. It was a creepy story until these details became known.

Margo Martindale is Crazy Arugula Lady

“Used to be called rocket until those Woke people Frenchified it up!”

It's an inside job.

I think the ferret sent the letters.

Coolidge's character is basically a gay man. Her character is kind of fun, but also a bit annoying and embarrassing.

R53 Isn’t that Coolidge’s stock and trade?

I thought the first episode was sufficiently creepy. That poor ferret.

It’s got Bobby Cannavale so unfortunately it’s a no for me. I’d really love to see it though but there’s something about the guy that I find so grating and irritating that I can’t watch him. I’m sure he’s a great guy in person but his hamfisted scene-chewing is too predictable and too much to sit through.

Is ham fisted, scene-chewing exactly what one wants in a horror show?

Hmm, maybe in a GOOD horror movie r57, like in the classics. But reading the review of the show that somebody posted earlier, it really does seem like Bobby Cannavale is box office poison. Nothing he’s end seems to succeed. My first time ever seeing him was on Boardwalk Empire, knew nothing about the guy and I remember eventually fast forwarding through his scenes. He loves playing “rage”. I don’t think he takes any role where he can’t explode into a dramatic fit of rage. And his contract must include that his hair be allowed to fall into his raging face as he rages and shakes his fist, all while sweat, spittle and drool drip from his face. LOL I swear, check out everything he’s in and there’s probably at least one of those scenes in it.

If Bobby is bad it’s because he’s carrying the dead weight of that shew wife Rose and not with his soulmate Sutton.

Isn’t ham fisted, scene-chewing Ryan Murphy’s MO?

Bobby is uncut.

The Daily Beast loves it.

Bobby Cannavale could play Jordan Peterson in a biopic.

The Watcher...about a home in Westfield, NJ. I'll have to see it.

In this version it's the realtors IMO though the tunnel to Farrow's house is suspect.

Oh hey thanks for the spoiler alert R65. And you're wrong, the watcher is JIMMMMAY!

Cannavale looks a lot older in this than he’s looked in recent things.

This is just silliness. Murphy and Brennan come up with half-baked concepts and add some silly elements and it just doesn’t work. Mia’s character and her husband are so over the top that it’s distracting instead of fun.

This series is so bad it's good.

Is a demon possessing the daughter and making her a little slut?

Hollywood Reporter weighs in.

The first episode reminds me of Amityville . Where the dad suffers a serious personality change . He’s creepy as hell

R68, not based off ep UNO . It’s pretty dreadful

Has he directed anything this much in the recent years? Is it because he’s hot for Bobby and Naomi?

The black creep with dreds preying on an underage girl is so gross . The writers are creeps .

Dahmer’ Dethroned As Netflix #1 By Another Ryan Murphy Series...

It’s entertaining, but absurd plot

This show made absolutely zero sense, but it was kind of fun.

Everyone wants to fuck that house.

The movie is factually inaccurate. The family NEVER moved into the house. Not one single night....But of course that can't stop Ryan Murphy!!!....LINK....The Dakota character is 100 percent made up. And he ain't the only one.....Enjoy your movie....Suckers!!

It's not a documentary, you idiot.

Bobby’s going to end up slaughtering them all I bet.

I'm going to watch it but I wish they had cast another actress rather than Naomi Watts. She's so very dull. If I were the watcher I would have fallen asleep at the thought of stalking that bore.

Jennifer Coolidge is fun though. Maybe she'll add some comedic relief.

Lol, Jennifer Coolidge is the ultimate agent of chaos real estate person.

I didn't really get the ending except to take away that everyone with immediate contact to the house becomes obsessed and hence is the "watcher". At the end everyone is watching.

Unclench R74 He's 19 and she's 16. People that age date all the time.

Noted is you specifying his race which is probably your real issue with it.

Also it's a tv show.

Watching right now, on episode 2.

Margo Martindale steals the show in every scene she's in, of course.

Margo and Richard Kind aren't listed on the IMDB page. I found that odd.

The letter was mailed by a female. A girlfriend who visited the neighborhood visited her boyfriend whose online gaming handle was thewatcher.

Interesting how the property was sold for $1 dollar continuously until the 90s.

Please, no more Bobby Cannavale

It's OK when it could have been - well probably no more than good. It actually merges two stories (both of which took place in Westfield, NJ). One is the John Lister murders (which really happened - he was caught after his story was broadcast on America's Most Wanted) and the story of The Watcher, which may have been a hoax.

Did anyone else cringe when Naomi, in her variations of beige ensemble, went into the tunnel because all they could think of was her soiling her lovely outfit?

Why couldn't they have Ronan Farrow play Jasper? They missed a great opportunity!

This miniseries is genuinely as well ironically enjoyable.

Naomi was always wearing white or gray and Bobby tan or beige. Was there any symbolism to that?

I liked the John List allusion. I saw a t.v. movie about him years ago, it starred Robert Blake and it truly scared the heck out of me.

Jennifer Coolidge is good in this. I'm one of her Lesbian fan girls. She was seemingly given plenty of room for improvisation and did very well. Naomi Watts and Jennifer Coolidge worked together quite well. She's really tall but has that big figure, you know- her posture is shot and she needs to work on her core strength and wear a girdle in the interim. Poor lady looks gigantic next to that wee Naomi Watts but it's not her fault and I would still tap that.

Mia Farrow just up and enjoyed herself. She just played right into the camp of it all like a champ. The braids, the monologue about the trees, maybe an unholy relationship with her dim witted brother. She seemingly adored her character and just ran with it.

Vondie Curtis-Hall's son is the alarm fellow. I'm old fashioned in that I don't think a 19 year old and a 16 year old should be anything more than friends. But, his character isn't truly ghastly I guess. I dunno.

Bobby C. lost weight. He's no longer beefy. He basically just waits for his character to get mad. There is no balance.

R95 Having known many potters in my life, lighter colors usually better hide when you get clay on you than darker colors where it stands out. But I think we’ve only seen one scene of her at the wheel and I’m not sure if she has a studio somewhere else, because you would think the basement would be where they would set up one or a She Shed on the property.

I had to laugh at the gallery owner saying they would throw up another exhibition of her work in a month. First of all she hasn’t been making any new pots since the move that I can tell, and gallery exhibition schedules are set years in advance. So, beyond getting her clothes right, they don’t seem to have had an actual artist consultant look at the script.

Watched it. Didn’t like it. Skip it.

R95 I did notice Naomi was always dressed in white or ivory. She *spoiler spoiler* looked like a freaking ghost when she went to visit Jennifer Coolidge after she bought the house and was leaning up against the wall. That was kind of creepy.

Margo Martindale and Richard Kind were obnoxious as fuck during the arugula scene. I would hate neighbors like that. Stay the hell off my lawn.

The most unbelievable thing in all this is that the real estate lady and the sheriff would have been hooking up.

I like how Margo Martindale sounds like she's hoping for a spin-off for her character with every line.

Spoiler for last episode-

Roger definitely recognized John/bill at the meeting and that’s why he asked about his family, yes? Roger was a hs teacher at the time and possibly had Bill’s kids as students and saw Bill at some point.

The whole show was too over-the-top for me.

just finished, really enjoyed every episode.

R100 She’s just mad because Ann Dowd is pulling a head getting her own Handmaid’s Tale spin off series. She’s trying to play catch-up.

Margo doesn’t want for work. I know her and she works constantly.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

1st stupid thing - the neighbours complaining about the piano. How the fuck would they even hear it? The houses are huge and set far apart.

Each episode just seemed to pile on more revelations and twists until it all collapsed into a pile of nothing at the end.

It’s not good. I couldn’t make it thru the second episode. Too bad. It’s got a great cast.

Is Mia Farrow in this show?

Yes, a long way from her career best performances in the films of Woody Allen. More like, returning to her Peyton Place roots.

Well seeing Mia Farrow do something again was really a treat but I can’t help but wish the whole thing was directed by Polanski and Farrow’s character was a little more whimsical but then I haven’t seen much of it yet, so.

Is Karen the watcher? I think she's in cahoots with Theodora.

Everyone who ever lived in or next to that house becomes a watcher, R111. You could argue the place is simply possessed.

By the way, about Theodora... I have always liked Noma Dumezweni, for her beautiful speech and the understated energy she brings to a scene.

BUT.. it struck me as a bit odd that Theodora never once explains why she, clearly a Brit, would be traipsing around New Jersey as a retired jazz singer cum detective. It's as if we're all supposed to simply ignore her very English accent.

They never did find John list did they ? How creepy.

Anyway maybe I'm an idiot but I didn't quite understand the ending. Who was in Karen's house?

The daughter was a brat. She knew full well how much damage a false accusation of bigotry would do.

Wait, who the fuck was the girl with pigtails in the cherry dress? Was it jasper in drag? Ryan Murphy never bothered to answer! Did Murphy just...forget about that plot detail?

R113 I didn't understand that scene either, as this was the only time a resident was directly confronted with (one of) the Watcher(s). Was it Nora, taking revenge for the many times Karen spoke so condescending about the murder of the ferret? That seems too dark a turn.

R115 that entire storyline was so far-fetched, I kept expecting them to reveal it was a doctored video. Husband sleeps all alone in that enormous house, and doesn't wake up when someone enters his bed, tugs the covers, strokes his face.. Sure!

[quote]They never did find John lLst did they? How creepy.

As noted above, R113, he was discovered after his story was broadcast on America's Most Wanted. He died in prison.

Cherry dress girl wasn’t jasper- he was too fat.

It was probably whoever scared Karen at the end and killed the dog and ferret. The watcher is still there.

What was up with the music playing from the attic? I thought they were alluding to some kind of haunting but it went nowhere.

R119 didn't that music come from the old-timey intercom?

Just my two cents here but the part of Karen Calhoun made me think of Brenda Vaccaro, who would've been perfect in that role imho had she been still young enough for the part.

I just finished the whole thing and was underwhelmed.

Jennifer C. always plays.. Jennifer.

I laughed whenever Farrow and Coolidge and whomever plays jasper were on screen. They ( correctly) played the series for what it was: trashy Ryan Murphy fare. The problem with Watts and Cannavale was they played it too straight.

Jasper was played by Terry Kinney. I know him as McManus the prison warden or whatever on OZ.

He got fat.

Yes R125! I couldn't believe the warden of Em city is now reduced to this.

I’d add Coolidge to that, the three of them played it for camp, like Gina Gershon in Showgirls. Watts & Cannavale emulated Elizabeth Berkeley, too serious& literal.

THAT was McManus???

Wow.

At one point I thought that Bobby Cannavales character was going to turn into Jack from the shining. So many red herrings and then nothing. I also didn't really understand why the PI falsely took credit for what was an illegal act. That opened up her daughter, who would be inheriting her estate, to a possible lawsuit that could take away huge sums of money.

Does anyone else think that the daughter was the girl in the video in the cherry dress? She seemed like a little psycho. She blasted her own father with a false accusations on TikTok or whatever and told her mom she was capable of anything when angry.

I doubt that was the daughter, R129, as the girl in the cherry dress showed her face from the side, and surely the parents would've recognised their own daughter?

OP- NOTHING on Netflix looks good.

BUT have they informed and asked permission to the real families involved?

The serie is innocuous , it is watchable but forgettable, at least it is still better than most woke trash flops that netflix provide .

R132 the real family was involved, on the condition that the show's family would resemble theirs as little as possible.

[quote] In keeping with their hands-off approach, the Broadduses had just two requests for the Netflix production. These were that the series would not use their real names, and that The Watcher's fictional family did not look like theirs.

The real family that was involved got paid, which was always their objective with faking this to begin with.

Ugh, I didn’t realize the filming house is a new McMansion abomination, I’m totally turned off by it now.

Binged it on Sunday. Entertaining but also infuriating in spots. Right out of the gate, I bristled when they put in an offer and suddenly "6 weeks later" they're moving in. Bitch, please. In what real estate world does loan financing, inspections, review of the contact sale terms, and escrow process take only 6 weeks? I was irritated from that moment on.

To be fair, this has got to be one of the better-looking McMansions..

Friend of mine liked this thing and wants me to watch it but after watching a little over half it seemed so predictable to me. Endless taunts and teases from the writers of different suspect neighbors did it with Mia Farrow occasionally acting like a ditsy whacko with a witch-like 1600s outfit and bent. The guy climbing into the dumbwaiter kind of did it for me. Just 'oh no' the local nut who will be in and out of the house at various odd moments is nothing but annoying to me.

I'm trying to get back into it but can't even bring myself to put it on. I have trouble being 'the watcher'.

It’s not as bad as everyone says it is. It has enough tension, camp, and mystery to keep me entertained.

I’ll give it another try.

R138 admittedly it took about three episodes to hook me.

It’s like a campy episode of Midsomer Murders with all the twists and turns.

I just saw it. It's a flawless masterpiece!

Ryan Murphy was smart to not have a proper ending because this show will be discussed as everyone will have a different suspect. It is one of those shoes that doesn’t leave the mind.

This was house porn for me. The homes are absolutely gorgeous, even liked the smaller homes in the series....the area was very lovely, too. It was over the top, but good. I noted the John List reference and pretty much told the story, but a lot of it was embellishments. List never lived in the watcher house. That house was burned down to the ground, a year after the bodies of his family were discovered in 1972. I know the house wasn't filmed in Westfield, but I wonder if scenes were filmed there. The Westfield Diner was the meeting place in some scenes...at least it looked like it. The train station looks like the one in Westfield. Mia Farrow looked like an aged child of the corn...those pigtails! Creepy.

Every character was a good suspect. **Spoiler!!** Don't read if haven't seen it yet. Theodora confessed on her deathbed...to give closure to Dean, who was so obsessed. It was only a kindness...not true. The house was an object of obsession for everyone. The open ended ending, not knowing who the watcher really is, is still true today. It's still a mystery IRL.

Ok. Gave it another chance tonight.

It’s good! Man that Bobby Cannavale I like him. Now it’s on :)

I remember John List. Killed his whole family. I did not know he lived in Westfield. Boy, they must not like all this publicity. Westfield is not that big.

“Mia Farrow looked like an aged child of the corn”. Perfect!

This just in, Westfield has changed its name to South Summit, NJ.

I looked up John List. Said the guy in The Watcher was loosely based on former inhabitant of the house, John Graff. 'Graff's character and the circumstances surrounding his family's death are strikingly similar to those of real-life murderer John List'.

List was a nutjob. A reporter asked why he didn't kill himself and he said he believed if he committed suicide he'd go to Hell.

Yeah. Murdering your whole family was a loophole. 'Oh, you didn't kill yourself, you had a good reason to kill your wife and kids, got it. C'mon in'. There are great thinkers in the world and then there are the John Lists.

List was a highly Christian....or xtian man. That tells you how fucked up he was.

Very religious..^^

A similar case involved Bethesda man William Bradford. They never figured out where he went. I think he fled to Europe.

OMG this is DELICIOUS!!! Absolutely de-lici-ous! He’s calling it The View, but though I’ve never seen it, it’s what I imagine the Andy Cohen’s talk show of The Housewives of _______ to be like if they really liked each other. DELICIOUS!

It was OK. Typical of Netflix though, at least 1-2 episodes too long. And a few glaring plot holes.

The open end allows for The Watcher 2.

That's is delicious R153! Mia Farrow and Jennifer Coolidge are friends now! Why not? Makes no sense on the surface but Mia Farrow was almost welling up at one point about that so it's obviously a real thing.

Ryan Murphy is derided oftentimes but I tell you all what, he truly appreciates ladies of a certain age. He's just sitting there in his fashion and letting the ladies speak.

These are two of the stories covered in the above video.

R153 Jennifer gives me Karen black vibes in this clip.

I thought Naomi and Frank Sinatra's third wife were good, but I didn't like Bobby at all. Now I know why he isn't highly sought-after.

Wonder if Mia Farrow got the braiding idea from this little sweet movie?

I liked it quite a bit. The unresolved ending is more interesting with everyone potentially the Watcher is more interesting than a regular neat resolved ending

My problem is with Naomi Watts. Oh she's quite alright but she has such an uninteresting unmemorable face. Bobby Cannavale more than makes up for visual interest though.

And the other thing was the theme of greed in the letters. I didn't think anyone was particularly greedy, except for Karen.

I can't take anyone seriously who casually throws around the word "woke." It's the new "SJW."

[quote] "woke." It's the new "SJW."

Which was the new "PC".

Naomi Watts is one of the most beautiful actresses, but her acting can be bland with the wrong director.

Naomi Watts is like an edgier Amy Adams, but doesn't have her luck. Amy herself is finally running out of luck, though.

R165 her woman in the window film got a lot of mockery. Ironically, I find her acting to be dreary and bland but that was one of the few films of hers I actually enjoyed despite all of the bad reviews. Her sad sack energy actually made sense in the role. She is massively overrated nonetheless.

I'm convinced that the historical society weirdos were the watchers. They honestly reminded me of the posters on the tasteful friends threads with all of their nitpicking.

The Watcher is a creepy show about the creepiness underlying the ideal normal. It is delicately sharp in its social critique.

Case in point, the Manhattan gallery owner. She is exaggerated, and she burrows under your skin. She's all about whispered ambition and manipulation.

Forget it is sold as a horror film, which it is, but it is more. I liked it.

I got the impression that they’re ALL “The Watcher”.

As suspicions rise and fall, and every character steps into and out of the crosshairs, yes r169, they are all the Watcher - as are we all.

We too, Netflix watchers, don't our loyalties shift and betray as we also play out our little dramas of status, fame, fake communities, fragile friendships and fractured families...

Only one memorable thing: Jennnifer Coolidge sporting hybrid tennis togs-maternity wear at the country club.

Almost nothing was even remotely plausible. Back to my spare bedroom crafting for my Art Basel Week show!

I don't know all the specific details of the real case, but as far as the show goes, it made no sense what so ever that they supposedly had cameras up but could never seem to catch the person doing it. That right there says to me the family was doing it all along.

Everything with this Ryan Murphy starts off promising and ends up shit. This was no exception.

I stupidly thought that this was 100% based on fact, until the John List stuff started, and I was like- THIS IS THE JOHN LIST STORY-

After that, it just derails.

Then, I googled this show and realized its 90% bulllshit and taken from other stories.

What a disappointment.

Mia was funny, and I have never seen Canavale show such a nice bulge before. Those were the highlights.

I think the daughter was a sociopath. The way she blithely responded " I know" to her father saying that he wasn't a bigot.

The p.i falsely claiming that she had done it made no sense. She would have to be worried that the family would sue her estate ( which would take money out of her daughter and grandchildrens pockets).

It kept me interested throughout and I enjoyed it. I recently moved into a new neighborhood with a HOA so I could relate.

[quote] Everything with this Ryan Murphy starts off promising and ends up shit. This was no exception.

THIS! With the exception of Versace and potentially Dahmer (I love horror and I just cannot get through this which is a testament to the actor), this is always the case. I believe it's Netflix and their bloated episodic formula.

This would have been fantastic in a tight 2-4 episodes. I was completely engaged for the first few episodes, but towards the end, I was bored. I think Netflix deletes decent content for maximum episodes which lessens the impact. This was a throw away show that I won't remember. I subscribed this month for Big Mouth, Cobra Kai, and The Crown. Once I am done with The Crown, I'll cancel Netflix until there is something I really want to see.

^I'm on episode 5 and I don't know that I'll finish it. They're pulling shit out of thin air just to make it longer. The "dead girl" on camera getting in bed with him while he's sleeping for cheap marital conflict has pretty much sealed it for me. In 2-4 episodes they could have easily told a much creepier tighter story. Old mini series were always 2-3 nights mostly. Only epics like Roots and North and South lasted a week.

^ how did they end up explaining the dead woman climbing into bed with the dad, r178?

I haven't gotten to the next episode yet but got really turned off by it. I do hear from other people who finished it that they leave lots of things unanswered including details around the "building inspector" who said he had spoken to his wife and she asked him to help himself to anything in the fridge when he was making the sandwich. Yet when he was talking about him he didn't somehow mention to her that she supposedly asked him to help himself which I thought was sloppy. I don't believe they explain the previous owner who was a talent agent and he ends up seeing acting in a commercial at the motel either.

I agree with the poster upthread that said the little bitch daughter was a sociopathic cunt.

Renewed for Season 2.

R181 but hasn't the watcher done all of his or her watching already?

I’ve had sufficient…but apparently Miss Murphy has not.

Do we know if season two is a continuation of season one, or he’ll spin it into an anthology show?

From THR:

[quote] Creative details about season two of The Watcher are being kept quiet for now, so it’s unclear if it too will become an anthology or continue the unsettling story from the first season, which left several things open-ended.

My money is a prequel to the previous owners

R186 Well, that would justify him bringing Jennifer Coolidge and most of the neighbors back.

I go back and forth on whether Bobby Cannavale is good looking or not.

Folks seem to think he's hot, but he just doesn't consistently strike me as particularly good looking. Sometimes in some pix, he looks great. Other times, not so much.

I thought he was kind of hot twenty years ago. He didn’t do anything for me in this one. That said, I thought he gave a good performance in what could have been a completely thankless role (especially in contrast to Naomi Watts).

Bobby Cannavale was much better looking in this than in Nine Perfect Strangers, where he appeared to be quite dumpy. They must have put him through some kind of detox/pilates/crossfit program in the meantime because he filled out those cashmere sweaters and Lands End khakis quite nicely, thank you very much.

I saw Bobby Cannavale in person eight or so years ago and he was tall, handsome and as charismatic as you would expect a movie actor to be. Not like some of those shrimpy celebs with bobble heads.

Season Two a go.

[quote]I got the impression that they’re ALL “The Watcher”.

ALL OF THEM WATCHERS!

R190, I read the book Nine Perfect Strangers and yeah he was supposed to be a fat fuck.

Yep, as always, starts well and de-rails. And yeah that daughter was a twat and that black kid from the security company looked trans to me. I do love looking at Bobby though. The John List story would be a good one for Murphy to make too, instead of just throwing it in here.

Didn’t even start well. Preposterous trash from the get-go.

I gave this a try and couldn’t believe so many people had recommended it.

The best thing about this show was the real estate porn.

She certainly does, R123. Could her 15 minutes be nearly up?

She's on White Lotus again though. I can never not love her simply for her performance in "Best In Show". I now love Ariana for her costume this year.

This was weird and typical Ryan Murphy excess. Everyone was the Watcher and yet no one was the Watcher. Storylines came in and were dropped without notice. Moments of Mia and Jennifer and Margo kept me entertained, otherwise I’m not sure what the point of the whole thing was.

It is so clear and obvious that this case was a fabricated hoax that they did to themselves so making a movie about it is pretty embarrassing. Hopefully they at least leave it open ended so that it can be interpreted that way but I doubt it. Stupid. How satisfying for these weird narcissists to have their lies validates like this.

No gays? No thanks.

When did Cannavale turn into Ray Romano??? And the show is unWatcherable.

There was barely enough content to make the first season interesting. It's so Netflix to make a sequel that will suck.

Is anyone else feeling Jennifer Coolidge fatigue? She's great, I love her, and in the right role she is wonderful (which is the same role she always plays). I find less is more with her. When she pops up like in The White Louts it's a wonderful surprise but I'm getting over her. She's like Olivia Coleman. Great at first, but then when it was all Olivia, all the time, I'm like enough!

[quote] Is anyone else feeling Jennifer Coolidge fatigue? She's great, I love her, and in the right role she is wonderful (which is the same role she always plays).

I love her characters too, but she is reminding me of Shelley Winters in how ubiquitous she is becoming though.

didn't those creeps try to accuse a 90 year old woman with Alzheimer's of writing it?

It's a good thing no Data Loungers were the Watcher. Can you imagine how petty and mean the letters would be?

liked it until the last ep but what could they do? it was never solved in real life but they set up a lot that was unresolved though

[quote] a fabricated hoax

The very worst kind of hoax!

Can’t believe it’s been a year now.

Why do you think it’s a hoax? This series is very loosely based on the case.

The previous owners admitted to getting letters. This is all public record. Not a hoax. Police got involved.