PR Wars: Palace Fights Back

The DM is using "snub" the other way. Their headline and lead are screaming that Harry missed the plane after Charles "SNUBBED" Meghan.

I usually love all the dish and scandal. But this seems almost malicious on the part of the tabs. It was far from a "snub" to draw a boundary about having her there, and it's not like other grandchildren's spouses were present. Hard to believe Harry would be in a rage over that . . . (or IS it?)

This is like the post-funeral narrative by US mouthpieces such as Gayle King, not to me mention the Twitter YAAASSS KWEENZ, spewing one story after another about how abusively and atrociously Meghan and Harry were treated in all that occurred after QE2 passed. When actually they were treated with all kinds of courtesy and respect, and included in things there was no obligation to include them in.

It makes sense to me that the Palace is leaking this. Because they want to answer the headlines that say that they only told Harry 5 minutes before they told the world and the assumption that he was NOT invited to get on that plane or have dinner with his dad and brother that night. I can easily believe that Harry fought to bring her - because she was more than likely insisting on it. The worst part about all of this, is that Harry is so BLINDED by his love for her that he literally sees nothing else. Not his grandmother, his dad, his brother, his country, culture, anything. As far as I know, they weren't even going to visit her this trip despite being in London, before she died.

How can he be blinded by love for someone as awful and terrible as this woman? He must be blind and dumb. Unbelievable.

Earlier reporting said William and Charles were eating together as the new King and heir to the throne, and that Harry ate with Andrew, Anne, and Edward and Sophie. That seems a lot less dramatic but also more realistic.

However, the more dramatic story provides an explanation for why he missed the flight carrying everyone else, even though he was in effectively the same location as William.

So who knows.

I really hope that she dumps him some day and that he gets to feel a fraction of the pain he's put his family (especially the late Queen) through.

She's the sort of person who, when she dumps him, will blame it on his family's treatment of her, stoking his rage against them and leaving him isolated and powerless.

They already blame his family for not helping with her so-called mental health struggles, even though Dimwit admitted he was too embarrassed to go to his relatives with it! None of their stories make sense, but they all almost all involve other people being blamed.

On an even lesser level, MM leaking that blind item about Kate not giving her a lift to the shops implying Kate was being a jerk can be read another way. A hint that Kate didn't like her and MM so full of herself, refused to take the hint.

She SUCKED on Suits.

I’ve hated her since then.

I think everyone who followed/cared about the Queen dying was asking the same question - “why wasn’t Harry on the same plane with the others?” Even Dickie Arbiter on one of the shows that evening was flummoxed “I can’t for the life of me understand why Prince Harry wasn’t on that plane!” I do recall reading it was thought H&M didn’t grasp how imminent the Queen’s death was, and planned to still make an appearance at the charity event that evening, with Harry making brief remarks and apologies for having to leave to be with his grandmother, then flying up that night. All caught on film for their reality series of course. It was only after a phone call from Sophie Wessex telling Harry he needs to be there now had him scrambling for a jet to Balmoral.

King Charles is doing so well in his new role!

You pot-stirrers can call it "banned," but it was just "not invited to a private meal."

King Charles and the Prince of Wales would have to be trusting idiots to let Megain into their private chat/meal! They probably didn't want to invite Harry, but worried how it might look during a mourning period. That's the truth. They didn't even want Harry because the former prince betrayed them over and over again. Who's shocked? They probably never turned their backs to Harry during the whole exchange. (Is he wired? Is he recording us? Is he going to use this to make money? Will he sell us out again? Why would he stop now?)

I didn't think it was weird for Harry not to be on that flight. The only grandchild going up there was William, without his wife, as heir apparent. None of the other grandchildren or their wives went up to Balmoral with the Queen's children that afternoon. I thought it was weird for Harry to go up there at all.

He had his chance and two very kind invitations to Balmoral in August. One was from his father and one was from the late Queen. Harry declined them both, although he and his wife were traveling to Great Britain and Europe during that time. I realize that for the ginger princeling everything has to be somebody else's fault and everyone is against him and it's so awful and poor him and etc etc etc. I'm not buying it for an instant. He is the architect of his own doom in the royal family. I hope it's brought him everything he wants.

Harry needs to realize that they are not going to change. If he can't deal with them they way they are he needs to cut ties with them completely.

We read this - Harry argued with his father so long that evening that the flight finally left without him - here, what two weeks ago?

DL beats DM anytime. Except for the pictures.

And vice-versa, R12.

Frankly, Harry has much more to lose by cutting ties. But he's blinded by his sense of grievance, so he can't see that.

[quote]How can he be blinded by love for someone as awful and terrible as this woman? He must be blind and dumb. Unbelievable.

Because he’s a petulant asshole and he uses her like a weapon.

He is so weak. Shockingly weak.

If they both hadn't been so racked with jealousy and stayed in Britain as duke and duchess they would have had a nice life without any money worries and plenty of fame.

But Duchess Dolittle doesn't want to curtsy to Kate let alone talk to nurses, so instead they're racked with jealousy and stacked away again in Montecito. Unfortunately NOT to never be heard from again.

They appear to have little money left, they've pissed off corporate Hollywood and been rejected by social Hollywood and now they're just back from a two-week masterclass in how not to behave.

Winning, winning, and more winning.

Meghan shouldn’t feel bad. Wallis Simpson was left alone in Buckingham Palace after the death of Edward.

And the Sussexes react immediately to Page Six Despite rumors that Prince Harry snubbed his father’s dinner invitation when he landed in Scotland, Page Six has exclusively learned that King Charles III had already left for his private residence.

When Harry arrived at Balmoral Castle on Sept. 8, Charles and Prince William had already departed for the monarch’s home on the estate, per a palace source.

They were not at Balmoral for dinner at all

The thing about this rebuttal from Camp Sussex that makes me CRAZY is that it is, as usual, clearly diversionary. The original story does not say that Charles was at Balmoral waiting for Harry and then after they were reunited, Harry turned down dinner. Just because he wasn't sitting there, doesn't mean Harry wasn't invited to his dad's home nearby for dinner. The denial doesn't actually repudiate anything that was claimed, but it's enough to fool the majority of intellectually challenged idiots who defend them at every turn.

[quote] Duchess Dolittle doesn't want to curtsy to Kate

Duchess Dolittle was actually a nickname for Kate, before Meghan came into the family to be a target. Old DL royal gossips will remember…

This is what the original says: When he was driven into Balmoral 90 minutes later he declined dinner at Birkhall, Charles’s home on the estate, with the new king, Queen Consort Camilla and William. Insiders say the sulking prince instead mourned with Edward and Sophie Wessex and Andrew, seven miles away at Balmoral Castle. So how is Harry's Page Six denial a denial of this? it seems to confirm it? this is what I mean by gaslighting. You start to think, wait, am I missing something?

R21 MAKING you crazy would be redundant.

What does the Lady Tranny say on Youtube? She's a pompous bore but usually has the real scoop.

[quote] …Harry is so BLINDED by his love for her…

That’s not love, hon. I hope you’re okay.

These two need to tell GAYle King and Ocra to STFU.

R27, isn’t it interesting how all these closeted black billionaires defend them to the death? Is she blackmailing them? All the openly gay ones have dumped those two.

It's deflection. Kate and William are in the dog house. Kate has allegedly been acting out in public and has made it so obvious that it's trending on twitter today. The palace released the Sussex story. Uk tabloids are on standby for a major Sussex story to drop because allegedly Kate is losing it mentally. All alleged but Kate is in deep shit.

R29 That's a VERY well kept secret, so well kept it's hard to believe. Can you give us an alleged example of this alleged behavior?

R29=Scoobie DumDum

As if, r29.

Unless she's experiencing an actual mental breakdown, that steely go-getter didn't bring herself this far to suddenly fuck-up.

R29 is usually here to warn us that the Interpol is about to arrest us all.

Who is doing PR for Prince Harry and the Douchess of Sucksass now? Edina Monsoon???

Take your medicine, R29

The reason Harry wasn't on the plane to Balmoral with the other royals was because William would not allow it. And here's the reason: Harry is in a sense still "the spare" even though Prince George is second in line after William. George is a minor as are Charlotte and Louis. If the plane had crashed and both William and Harry were killed as a result, there would have been a constitutional crisis. Yes, Charles would still be king, but he wouldn't have an adult heir to the throne except for Andrew. George couldn't have taken the throne until he was at least 18, and even that's still too young.

William said NO to Harry, and he said get your own flight to Balmoral. Yes, William is still pissed at Harry and probably didn't want him on the flight anyway. But the real reason was because William didn't want a crisis should he and Harry be killed in a plane crash.

Oh FFS the sewage squad is really in a tizzy, isn't it?

[quote]I think everyone who followed/cared about the Queen dying was asking the same question - “why wasn’t Harry on the same plane with the others?”

BWAH-HAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA!!!

***wipes tear away***

No, seriously....

Why would there be a constitutional crisis? Charles is likely to live another 20 years, by which time his grandson would be older than Queen Elizabeth when she took the throne.

And even if they all died there would be a regent. Harry will never be in line again.

Harry hasn't been the spare since George was born, unless you mean GOING spare. He does that constantly.

Don't ask The Overseas Squad to understand how the monarchy works; they prefer to be suspended in ignorance

It will be interesting what will happen to the Harkles in 15 years when they are both in their 50s and nobody gives a shit about them because they wore out the victim narrative long ago.

I can't believe any still cares.

It will be at least a year before Charles' coronation, probably. The BRF is likely breathing a sigh of relief that it will be at least that long before they see Harry and Meghan again.

June 2023

I don't think people care anymore about the Sussexes themselves anymore, but I think people are very curious to hear about how Charles and William are handling them now the Queen (whom most people thought was protecting them somewhat) is gone.

Harry wasn’t on the plane to Balmoral (primarily) because they don’t trust him. The plane ride, the drive from the airport to Balmoral (protection officers in a separate car) included intensely private discussions on the Queen’s private health problems/cause of impending death and other confidential topics. No one wanted Harry hearing all that, he’d tell Meghan everything that was said and she’d run to Omid, Gayle, etc.

Same reason he was only only told of the Queen’s death five minutes before it was announced.. They don’t trust either of them not to leak the news first.

r34 perfect

Rubbish, R36. Harry is not the spare & it’s not constitutionally significant if he dies. He missed the plane - which waited 45 minutes for him - because he was arguing about taking his bitch wife with him.

R36. Being assembled on a professionally piloted jet is among the safest activities the royals engage in. Their chances of dying under those circumstances are minuscule. They are at much greater risk of death during walkabouts, Trooping the Colour, etc.

r1 Its ridiculous and was only an issue because Harry happened to be in the UK briefly visiting when the Queen took ill.If had been in the US he would not have had a hope in hell of taking Meghan to see the Queen just before or just after she died.He really is a spoilt brat.He should have visited her when asked earlier on. He took it for granted she would soldier on.Sorry that is on him.

r2 Their low IQ fans stans or sugars as they are called are just as emotionally stunted and emotionally incontinent as their idols.

Wow, you folks REALLY don’t like Megs. Are all Royals thread filled with the nasty towards Harry’s wife? Glad I haven’t read any.

r7 Always blaming other people for your problems whilst marinading in victim status seems to be a hallmark or tell tale sign of personality disorders.

r20 Well that doesnt prove anything as the original story I read was that Harry was invited for dinner at The Queen Mums old residence The Castle of Mey so page six have misfired there.

R55 It's always very unpleasant to read what these horrid weirdos think of Meagan. A man's grandmother died and somehow the fact that he wanted his wife to accompany him is the worst thing in the world. Total crazy-town.

R58 the wife who called them all monsters on a global scale? Calling us crazy for noticing and remembering? If that isn’t manipulative I don’t know what is

R58. It's always very unpleasant to read what these horrid, racist, willfully obtuse Megstans think of the BRF. None of the seven other grandchildren had their spouses accompany them. Yet Harry, as usual, demands special treatment The entitlement of these two loons is just off the charts.

Yeah, it not like dear, sweet Meghan hasn't spent the last two plus years lying and smearing the family and the institution itself. Can't imagine why they wouldn't want her there. Outrageous!

If today is any indication, warring headline wise - we should buckle up. It’s just getting started.

Gaslight, Gaslight, do do do dooooo

R57, I think you mean the Queen Mother's home of Birkhall on the Balmoral estate. The Castle of Mey is more than 200 miles away, in Caithness.

When Sherri Papini made up her ridiculous lie about being abducted and beaten by two Latinas, people defended her rabidly. Some of us saw right through it and were savaged because we pointed out holes in her story and her racist past. How did so many people fall for it?

Some people are suckers for a pretty face and a damsel in fake distress.

It took years, but the truth about Sherri Papini came out. It will come out about Meghan, too.

Posted this on another thread. On the day of the Queen’s death I posted some ‘insider information’ but got shouted down and nearly run out of town by the infestation of those who don’t know this is a gossip site. From a reliable contact at one of the U.K. based embassies: death occurred some time after but close to 2.30pm. Government departments and foreign embassies were notified in the ensuing hours, as per protocol. Official public announcement was due to be made at 5.30pm but this was delayed in the hope that Harry would arrive at Balmoral in time for family to be together. All relevant authorities knew about there being a Harry related delay in London but didn’t know why. As time passed, there was news that he was hiring a private jet and possibly wouldn’t make it on time. With poor weather mid flight causing further delay to his anticipated arrival, decision was made to go with the 6.30pm announcement. Embassy staff were getting regular updates of Harry’s progress and reason for announcement delay. It was all about the optics of having close family members at Balmoral, together, at the time of the announcement. With this level of contact and communication how could any claim be made that he had not been informed of his grandmother’s death much earlier in the day?

Meghan Markle has a huge anus.

Harry and Meghan won't win this PR battle. Their marriage won't be able to stand the strain. Harry, is in for trouble when they divorce, she's probably getting her ducks in a row now. He's the one that's risked everything and pissed everyone off in his family and his Country. I'm sure they were giving their Hollywood "friends" hourly reports of everything behind the scenes, while they were in the UK. What I don't understand, is, how Harry thinks they'll win this. The Palace, is a massive machine, and part of it, its media contacts. H+M, are nowhere near as media savvy as Diana was, and Meghan, is never gonna be Diana either. The damage they've done to themselves is evident to most of the public. She's got him where she wants him. He's fucked.

[quote]He is so weak. Shockingly weak.

And Adam was weak.

[quote] What I don't understand, is, how Harry thinks they'll win this.

By my measures they've got it won already.

[quote]is that the truth has come out so quickly.

It comes out so quickly because it's all made up.

9 out of 10 'royal experts' are complete wackers. It's not like the White House where everyone leaks. What goes on behind closed doors no one knows, and can only surmise. William and Kate are a steel wall of discretion, and if you think Charles and Camilla moan to friends about these happenings, who then tell royal experts, you're delusional.

[quote] Harry, is in for trouble when they divorce, she's probably getting her ducks in a row now.

Maybe they both are.

Harry is nowhere near intelligent enough to be preparing right now for what she is planning, and she knows it.

She'll blindside him very suddenly, having pretended up to 5 minutes before that everything was hunky dory. Then she'll make accusations of drink, drugs and domestic violence, get the kids and the bulk of the money, and go back on Orca.

How long she will wait is the only real question. I presume until at least a year after the Netflix show airs.

My guess is that she won't wait that long, R73. Especially since it looks like the kids won't get titles. Smart money says she is having Netflix film "extra" footage on the side, with "special" instructions. You know, make sure to get shots of Harry drunk. Harry throwing hissy fits. Harry yelling. Harry spilling secrets about TRF and his rich ex-friends in a drunken stupor. Harry passed out from drink. Her looking beautiful and forlorn, lovingly holding their children. Her trying in vain to calm Harry down. Harry screaming at her while a lone tear runs down the (left) side of her perfectly made up face.

Harry is a tanty throwing, hard partying dumbass so I'm sure he's giving the Netflix camera people tons to work with.

The "extras" will mean so much more when the world finds out that Meghan --like Katie Holmes before her-- had to escape with her beloved children in fear of her life! 😉

She can't just flick a switch though - there has to be build up and some public signs. There's all the constant public displays of affection, the 'my darling H/M' stuff and so on to explain, and she'd need on the record real witnesses (there won't be any Neflix footage, lol).

They'll divorce, downsize, for the sake of the kids he'll live in the guest-house...blah, blah, blah.

Seriously, I predict, post-divorce, Markle will make a TV comeback. Yes, it's back to the familiar for her.

I never watched "Suits".

Still, I would tune in to a series where she tried on a role similar to Vanessa Williams in Ugly Betty or Heather Locklear's in Melrose Place.

(And, of course Markle doesn't have Locklear's former skill, and, Vanessa Williams is in a class of talent all her own. I'm just thinking of those types of roles.)

Embrace, and bring out, your internal villain, Duchess. That truly would be interesting.

A pox on Oprah for unleashing Gayle King, shit stirrer extraordinaire, onto the world!

Go fuck yourself deeply Gayle!

I think Harry will recover from all of this. Meghan, I can see her overdosing or getting into a car accident like Anne Heche. She is such a hot mess, there's no saving there. Back to Hell, Peggy!

Looks like Don Lemon or one of his students from his 'Don Lemon's Famous School of Journalism' sign up today, is doing The Dook & Douchess of Overseas PR.

"Hey Harry, your grandma's dying, come on over for dinner but don't bring the wife."

That doesn't make any sense. This also doesn't come from the palace, despite OP's headline.

Harry surely knew Meghan wasn't invited and this was a family-only protocol situation, which I think is why a lot of us were confused when they intially said both Harry and Meghan were traveling. Many thought that they must still be in Germany and that the announcement simply meant they were both going back to Britain first, then Harry would go to Balmoral.

Also, remember that we don't actually have any evidence Harry was enormously upset at being told to not bring Meghan. That's another that comes from "sources." I imagine he was irritated and possibly upset at the time, but the idea that he was incensed and there was huge fallout necessitating tons of PR leaks from both sides for two weeks straight is almost impossible to believe.

This has all the hallmarks of tabloids stirring up shit to keep the story going.

The Queen died at about 4:30, r66. Lady Colin Campbell said 2:30 and was wrong, and it's obvious that's who your alleged "inside source" is.

You got yelled at because you're one of those people who pretends to be an insider but isn't.

[quote] Harry has much more to lose by cutting ties.

True. But he also had much to gain in the long run by being his own man. Mark my words.

[quote]Embrace, and bring out, your internal villain, Duchess. That truly would be interesting.

I could honestly see her on RHOBH.

Is it true the Sussex babies were born with some sort of "condition"?

Don't they check their surrogates before the turkey baster is involved?

I don’t have trouble believing Markle would try to crash the Balmoral gathering.

My father has a truly batshit wife who CONSTANTLY injects herself inappropriately in family events.

When my mothers mother died, my father went to the funeral. His dumb ass didn’t need to be there either. This was early 90s, no cell phones. Dads crazy wife several times called my aunt and uncles house looking for my dad. These people are grieving! My father was only there for about 16 hours. This bitch can’t chill the fuck out for 16 hours?

Her go-to move now is staging an elaborate illness any time my father’s attention s not on her. He went on a road trip with a college buddy— she had “a stroke” and he had to return home immediately. When my sister had a baby, wifey mysteriously needed emergency eye surgery. On and on.

Point is, you think “people can’t really be that rude/clueless/crazy.” Yet, they are.

If Harry had dinner with the Earl and Countess of Wessex at Balmoral, that means that more than just 'blood' relations were present at the castle where the Queen died. This fact doesn't jive with Charles's posture of not allowing Duchess Meghan to be at Balmoral as well.

Meghan is a granddaughter in law, not a daughter in law. Big difference.

Plus, SHE HATES THEM AND THEY HATE HER! it is a special case and they should be able to say that to her idiot face. Enough with pretending to play by the rules.

[quote] This fact doesn't jive with Charles's posture of not allowing Duchess Meghan to be at Balmoral as well.

Sophie was the in-law closest to the Queen, and I think Charles has less control over his siblings (and thus their wives) than he does over his kids.

This story isn't about Meghan "trying to crash" the Queen's death. It's about Harry getting into a huge fight on the phone with his dad because he said Meghan couldn't come to Balmoral, and it meant Harry missed the plane to Aberdeen.

That doesn't really make sense. Charles spent time on the phone arguing with Harry when his mother was dying? Harry didn't know this was protocol long before this? I doubt this version of the story. I'm sure that Harry was irritated and obviously they thought Meghan would be going with him at first, but so far we've gotten nothing of actual substance from anyone about what happened, just tabloids whose only goal is to sell papers with "sources" and "royal experts" who have agendas.

You'd have to convince me that Harry knew Kate wasn't going and still demanded Meghan be there, and that he was so mad he almost didn't go and therefore missed the plane, and that he wanted to argue at length about something petty with his dad who was probably just a few rooms away from his grandmother who was barely alive at that point, and I don't see it.

I also can't think of anyone who would be privy to all this who would leak it to the Daily Mail.

Sophie was also a close friend of the Queen and supported her even more after the death of Prince Philip. I am not sure why anyone would think an estranged granddaughter-in-law would rate at all during such difficult family and national circumstances.

A lot of these stories seem to be coming out of Katie Nicholls’ book tour, and when you actually read what she’s saying, it’s clear that it’s guesswork and not actual leaks from the Palace. Her book on Kate was insightful, but that was years ago now when it was likely easier for her to build sources and get info (pre-marriage Kate). The next big dump of gossip we get is probably through Harry’s book (with his slant on it, of course), not an outside perspective.

Good point, r89. Why didn’t Charles just hang up the phone?

They’ll divorce but not until they see if Q E II left them a pence or shilling or two, or three, or a couple of million.

"Also, remember that we don't actually have any evidence Harry was enormously upset at being told to not bring Meghan." Clearly, you have not been following along. He can't even enter a room without her, or walk in front of her, or sit next to her, or shake someone's hand without her hand on his back/torso/hand reminding him that she's stlll there. She made sure to drop on Oprah "I immediately called the Queen' (when we found out Philip was sick) to show that she has access to the highest echelons of power. Even their statement "Like DofCambridge, Meghan will remain in London' - why mention Kate? BC she has to show that she is as relevant as her and not excluded. She is obsessed with her own importance, and from what we've observed -clingy-wise - I don't believe she feels comfortable with Harry around his family without her. Also why stay here for 10 days? Why not go back and see the kids, even if he had to stay in the UK? She cannot leave him alone. Esp not in the UK. I believe her biggest fear is losing control of him.

Poor Harry!!

Bottom line, Harry and Meghan both seem quite immature. If they were pulling these shenanigans in, say, their early 20s, one could cut them some slack, and they would probably own up to their youthful mistakes in years to come. There's no room for that now.

I don’t subscribe to the DB so I can’t read that piece, but Tom Sykes is well-sourced and is part of that whole Eton friends/family small world.

r80 I've noticed there is a determined push of this narrative the tabloids are to blame, there's no story its just the newspapers stirring it. A tactic aimed at trying to gove the Harkles clean hands. Don't think the obvious trick will work!

All this predicting that ghee will divorce…I think he’s hugely dependent on her. I think he thrives on her “love.” Maybe she will walk but I doubt it. They exist in their own reality and love their love story.

But really. The royal family is a problem. Why have more than one child when the system is set up to reward one kid and give him everything and then suppress all the other siblings? It’s messed up.

Disagree with those predicting the marriage ending soon. Keep in mind, no matter what’s happened between Harry and his father, his father is hugely rich, not in the best of health, and it’s doubtful he will cut Harry out of the will. Meghan has noticed and thought about this. Even though she would not be entitled to that inheritance, she will certainly benefit if she stays married.

[quote]... with the nasty towards Harry’s wife? Glad I haven’t read any.

What a terrible sexist thing to say! She is obviously so much more!

I don't know why more people haven't noticed that the 24/7 Meghan and Harry haters make up a narrative, and then for a few days, a bunch of "well-placed royal sources" just repeat those stories back to you.

I'm sure it seems fun to think that you guessed all the right answers to the mystery, but hasn't anyone else noticed the pattern?

Also, an article that heavily implies that the Queen banished Harry and Meghan to the U.S. is just too silly to be believed. This is the same guy who said that Harry and Meghan attending charity events in the UK would bring the "wrath of the Queen on them" because apparently they should be banned from doing charity, since it "looks too much like official royal duties."

R81 That day, did you catch Lady Cunt Campbell announced Elizabeth's deatb around 3pm? She said it was to prevent Maaaaagun from doing it..

Vomit Scabies has arrived at R29!

I think Harry is so under her control that he will do almost anything to avoid the wrath of his wife. He knew that she expected to go and her anger would fall on him for failing to make it happen.

Perhaps like the overheard fight in NY supposedly about her not being on stage with him at the UN.

Let’s put this all in perspective. ‘King’ Charles was fucking his longtime girlfriend when he proposed to, married, and then saw his wife Diana horribly killed. Rather than have Camilla exiled, she was brought into the family wed the future ‘King’, and just became Queen Consort.

What I find hard to believe is that William didn’t walk away from this shit show along with Harry. The bottom line is that Diana’s story, her ongoing status as a cultural icon, and horrible demise will loom large over the reigns of both Charles and William.

Looking at this all as a narrative, it’s Charles and Camilla who are the real antagonists in this story. From the day that Diana died, the BRF has had to massage the story of Charles and Camilla in a thousand ways to portray them as anything less than accessories to his first wife’s mental illness and death.

If this were a book, a novelized version of all that has happened in the monarchy over the past decades, Harry would be the merest supporting player. His behavior would be seen as the understandable rejection of his father and step-mother.

With multiple opinion pieces suggesting that Charles is not fit to be King and that the monarchy is now irrelevant, it makes sense that Harry should be made the fall guy from the crass decidedly un-royal environment from which he fled.

This is a case of the tail wagging the dog. The giant machine spitting out endless innuendo, rumor and smoke and mirrors isn’t in California, it’s in a palace in London.

Long live Harry.

Nobody cares about Diana anymore. It was a broken marriage on both sides. It's insane to still be going on about that 30 years later.

Saint Di looms large to some 75 year olds. Maybe.

For the lies, the subterfuge, the bullying -- may Harry and his wife get all they deserve, twice over!

Side note: when I received word from the hospital that my elderly mom was near death, I got up at 2:00 AM to drive 9 hours straight - without peeing - to be there. When I got there, she was for all practical purposes basically already dead (she was on forced oxygen), but in later reflection, I realized that it didn't matter so much that I wasn't physically with her when she died because I was always with her in spirit as she still is with me. The people that should've been with the Queen at the end are her children, period.

All of this shit about who was/wasn't there, when people were called, etc. is really about Harry's own issues. He put the story out there about missing flights, no phone calls, etc. and the BRF swatted back, responding that he was told, but he was thwarted by his own dithering & stubbornness. As someone else aptly noted, if he cared so much about his grandmother the person - not the Queen - he would've visited her recently when he had the chance, particularly after a year & a half of lockdown

The old girl shedding her mortal coil put a bit of a monkey wrench in Haz' plans. OH WELL Haz, another final good bye botched by nobody but you.

It feels like the BRF sacrificed Harry to the American minx to create controversies and drama. Nobody gave a shit about the BRF after the death of Diana. Yet still, nobody gave a shit about them after the wedding of Will and Kate. But now, half the world tunes in to hear about their every tidbit every day. It's made for such compulsive viewing and fascinating entertainment.

[quote] Why have more than one child when the system is set up to reward one kid and give him everything and then suppress all the other siblings? It’s messed up.

Sometimes heirs die, and you need a spare.

R105 You do realise that The Crown isn’t a documentary, right? Of course not - you’re an American.

Diana is not a “cultural icon”, fool.

Harry never wanted to “walk away” from the royal family, neither did his shallow American wife. They wanted to be royal for 6 months of the year and then use their titles in the US to make money for the other six months. This would have been impossible.

There are very few “opinion pieces” declaring Charles unfit to be king.

Do shut up and go back to Real Housewives, idiot.. Not your country, not your monarchy, not your history and not your fucking business.

Charles wasn’t unfaithful - with anyone, including Camilla - until after Diana was.

The Harkles are typical narcissists who SCREAM they're being treated badly when their demands for special treatment aren't met.

Harry spent his entire life within that system. He knows the rules and still DEMANDED that those rules not apply to him.

"Why have more than one child when the system is set up to reward one kid and give him everything and then suppress all the other siblings?" - This is complete nonsense, r99. The eldest kid is the one who has the worst pressures on him/her. The other siblings are hardly "suppressed". They can enjoy a wonderful life of wealth, glamour, luxury and access to the most elite places and people while also occasionally dabbling in a bit of public service whenever they feel like it, while also having a private life.

R99, it’s the British system of preserving great aristocratic fortunes, called primogeniture: everything goes to the first-born male. In countries that didn’t do that, such as Italy, the money was divided into smaller and smaller pieces until you had penniless counts as far as the eye could see.

[quote]"Why have more than one child when the system is set up to reward one kid and give him everything and then suppress all the other siblings?"

Heir and a spare.

History is rife with situations where the lone heir dies unexpectedly, leaving chaos.

Meghan leaked to Gayle King a private conversation between Harry, William and Charles. No way they'll ever be given any information she can leak again. Stupid much.

R113 This is a thread on an American site. Go find a British site to ply your anti-American bilge.

[quote] All this predicting that ghee will divorce…I think he’s hugely dependent on her. I think he thrives on her “love.” Maybe she will walk but I doubt it. They exist in their own reality and love their love story.

[quote]But really. The royal family is a problem. Why have more than one child when the system is set up to reward one kid and give him everything and then suppress all the other siblings? It’s messed up.

I think he uses her as an excuse to rail against his family. I think that was part of her appeal, she was the anthesis of what they are and usually married. He uses her as a cause to champion. I’m not sure why people primarily blame her, when he is just as culpable. She’s just the easier target I suppose. I think if they divorce, it’ll be her initiating it, not him.

I agree about the set up the family. It’s impossible to foster healthy self image or familial relationships in many ways. They need to have at least two kids for the spare, but it’s all strange. Like the Queen’s children are now cast off basically and William ranks higher. Kate gets most of the jewels (not sure if only the crown pieces or personally opened). When the Queen was dying, why were only William (I get he’s the heir) and Harry there and not the other grandchildren? There were just as much of her grandchildren as Charles’ kids. Even the dinner, Charles and William dined away from the rest of the family. It just sets up a very, very odd family dynamic.

R120, as I see it, looking at it from quite a distance, British society was for centuries based on a fairly rigid hierarchy and the RF is meant to be a symbol, perhaps the embodiment, of that. No one is "equal;" everyone is in their assigned place. Of course the family dynamic is going to seem weird. It's the product of a very different culture.

R76 the smartest thing she could do is embrace the villain narrative and go after villian roles. But she’s too much invested in her Saint Meghan image to make a brilliant career move like that.

R111 Clearly is American.

She'll never divorce him. Why would she? He is her little bitch and does whatever she wants. His connection to the royal family is her only source of relevance. Do you think she wants to go back to being Meghan the failed actress from Suits? She has way more relevancy with him. I can only see her divorcing him if she has a billionare of some sorts lined up and ready to go.

He won't leave her because he is cucked.

I can actually see the marriage lasting.

So from what I'm reading. The Queen's death was supposed to be a private family moment (hence why Kate remained at Windsor) but Harry fought to have Meghan come and as such caused William, Andrew, Sophie and Edward to miss the Queen's moment of death because they kept the royal flight grounded to wait for Harry (then they finally took off without him). Harry is such a fucking loser! Kudos to the royals for even being in the same room as him!!!!

Harry’s going to slap the shit outta Chris Rock at the next Oscars!

Believe it!

R85, you are in need of more counseling. Perhaps inpatient.

Don't defer.

Wishing you the best,

Let's get real here: there have been something like six book published in the last three years about H&M and/or the royals by different journalists and historians, and they all paint Meghan as a total manipulative bitch:

Brothers at War - Robert Lacey

Meghan & Harry: The Real Story - Lady C

Revenge - Tom Bower

The New Royals - Katie Nichols

The Palace Papers - Tina Brown

Courtiers - Valentine Low

I mean at some point you just have to admit it's not about racism, it's about the fact Meghan is a cunt.

More details from Valentine Low's new book:

Meghan would scream at staff for over an hour until she ensured they were crying.

William first got an inkling something was up when he approached Sam Cohen (the Queen's former Private Secretary who'd been appointed to advised Meghan) and asked her "how she was feeling" and broke down in tears.

R66 Thank you for taking the time to report this. I find the insider process fascinating, especially how so many factions had to be notified before it was publicly announced. A PR minefield to be sure.

R129, Low clearly had access to the complete bullying investigation. The story that stands out, for me, is of a staffer who had gone out to dinner on Friday night only to have Harry and Meghan call her “every ten minutes” to berate and attack her.

They can’t possibly come back as working royals.

R86 Hi Omid! “Duchess Meghan” was a dead giveaway.

R86, that is a moronic comment. Sophie is a daughter in law! It’s her husband’s mother, of course she should be there. She was also close to the Queen. Meghan is a granddaughter in law, who the Queen barely knew I’m sure. It’s not the same thing at all. The other grandchildren weren’t even there.

Imagine how much spit that woman has ingested in her lifetime, from resentful underlings.

I have a lovely friend who does PR, and she said there’s one client who everyone hates. He is mean and unpleasant and yells at people. She said she is always the one who deals with him because she just laughs at him when he gets nasty. She said she just lets him spout off until he’s worn out and says “Are you good now? Because I have a few things we need to go over.”

I wonder if anyone has ever done that with her. Her head might explode.

She knows

[QUOTE]Low clearly had access to the complete bullying investigation.

I kind of doubt this. The Palace announcement was very clear it wouldn't be released as it was the Queen's prerogative as she paid for the investigation. The book was written while she was still alive. More likely the staff was quietly released from their NDAs.

They didn’t need to be released from any NDA, R135. Allegations of wrongdoing, including bullying, cannot be covered up with an NDA. That would be against the law. I suspect the real reason they are not going public is the level of hatred and spite they’d face from the Sewerage Squad on Twitter. And I don’t blame them.

There is a thread open on Low's book.

Low broke the bullying story - he didn't need to see the report. He knows exactly who those people are and they talked to him and the details that the report didn't want to go into, especially the Palace's failure to protect its staff from a monstrous bitch wreaking psychological havoc in their lives because they didn't want to upset the apple cart, are in that excerpt in the TIMES.

Link to the thread on Low's book.

These threads should all be banned from the datalounge. I mean all of them. There are a million of them all banging on about exactly the same fucking thing, and they’re all equally mentally ill.

People this obsessed with hating a woman they’ve never met and who has no power over them whatsoever should seek treatment for their obvious psychological problems, not inflict them on us on the DL.

R139, isn’t it crazy? You should definitely report them all to Muriel.

R189. Definitely. This is doing real harm. Excessive discussion of her is appalling. Stop it for the sake of humanity!!!

R139 In terms of Meghan bashing - my hatred for Harry has quickly outpaced my hatred for her. And I think many on here feel the same. Royals infighting, staff gossiping, icy glares, tiara battles, secret alliances, backdoor deals with Oprah- this is the Superbowl of Gossip and if you don't like it, GET OFF the thread.

[quote] If Harry had dinner with the Earl and Countess of Wessex at Balmoral, that means that more than just 'blood' relations were present at the castle where the Queen died. This fact doesn't jive with Charles's posture of not allowing Duchess Meghan to be at Balmoral as well.

First of all, the word you want is to "jibe," not "jive."

Second, Sophie was like a second daughter to the queen, so of course she wanted her there and the rest of the family wanted her there.

Meghan absolutely did not have some sort of God-given "right" to be present at the queen's deathbed just because Sophie was there, as you are clearly (and insanely) implying. I'm trying to figure out how you can even possibly think that she had such a right.

Also: Sophie is the wife of the Queen's actual SON, not the wife of the Queen's grandson.

None of the spouses of the other grandchildren were there. Not Edo, not Jack Brookbanks, not Mike Tindall, not even Kate. Why should Meghan have been invited if none of the other grandchildren's spouses were invited?

[quote]These threads should all be banned from the datalounge. I mean all of them. There are a million of them all banging on about exactly the same fucking thing, and they’re all equally mentally ill.

Pssst...rather than trying to control what other people clearly enjoy, how about engage in some self-control and STOP clicking and reading the threads you don't like?

[quote]These threads should all be banned from the datalounge. I mean all of them. There are a million of them all banging on about exactly the same fucking thing, and they’re all equally mentally ill.

Pssst...rather than trying to control what other people clearly enjoy, how about engage in some self-control and STOP clicking and reading the threads you don't like?

When my dad was dying, a completely obnoxious hospice nurse was in the room (yeah, I know they’re all saints except for this guy who was as annoying as fuck throughout my dad’s final days).

My dad was actively dying while I was holding his hand and trying to talk to him, and this nurse was blathering on loudly about nonsense. I finally had enough and asked him to leave. Peace! I had 15 calm moments to help my dad transition.

The LAST thing you want in a moment like that is a distraction from your dying loved one. That’s what Meghan would have been—in spades!

In Carly Simon’s book about Jackie Kennedy, she wrote of Jackie’s death vigil—that the Kennedy family was having a big Irish wake—drinking, hooting and hollering—outside of Jackie’s bedroom while Jackie was dying. Carly was horrified—as would I have been. As the RF would have been if that drama queen had tried to muscle her way to the Queen’s side.

I don't mind herso much, either R142. He should know better. But he's angry, drunk, and dumb.

If people have issues with me thinking that about some spoiled, balding ginger OH WELL

And here's the Palace's biggest fightback: the new Prince and Princess of Wales at the Guildhall in Windsor to thank everyone for their efforts in organising things for the Queen's funeral.

Someone send it to Meghan and Harry to show them how the real thing works.

"THANK GOODNESS MEGHAN ISN'T COMING"

It sounds ridiculous I’m aware but I seriously wonder if we will ever see Harry look happy again. From her interviews she clearly has an axe to grind (and likely a narcissistic sociopath) but she never seems as angry or hateful as he appears.

[quote] I seriously wonder if we will ever see Harry look happy again.

Harry will never, ever be happy. His mental illness precludes any feelings of happiness. Little Harry Sussex will remain angry and vindictive until the day he dies.

R119, the royal family is British. Why is an American site so obsessed with it? Why do you believe you're qualified to comment on this British institution?

Some of us on here, like me, are both.

[quote] "THANK GOODNESS MEGHAN ISN'T COMING"

That's what will be carved beneath her name and dates on her marker stone in the family chapel in Windsor.

Why do YOU believe that you are "qualified to comment" on any other message posted to this board, r153?

I strongly suggest that you quickly remove yourself from this very board, r153, if you require smelling salts at the very concept of Freedom of Speech.

R156, ask r119, who is outraged at the idea that Brits are posting on an "American site", as he puts it, while hypocritically commenting on a British institution. Surely according to his own "logic" he as an American should not be commenting on a British institution if he believes Brits should not be able to comment on the "American" DL.

R153 Is a super woke whore wailing about cultural appropriation.

"You can't talk about or be interested in the British Royal Family unless you are British blah blah blah blah blah....."

[quote]People this obsessed with hating a woman they’ve never met and who has no power over them whatsoever should seek treatment for their obvious psychological problems, not inflict them on us on the DL.

Seek professional help to work out why you can't stay away from gossip threads you don't like on a GOSSIP site.

Harry and Meghan are immature brats. They didn't let any authority figures mold them into functioning adults with both job and people skills. Happens all the time, especially if the brats have enough money to avoid real responsibility.

we are so lucky here to have so many people here that not only know everything about what is going on but can actually get into Harry and Meghan's heads to tell us what they are actually thinking.

You do realize that your hate is doing nothing to Harry and Meghan but is destroying your own soul.

and I hate to tell but Harry and Meghan will never break up.

Oh, I think the dislike the world has for Harry and Meghan affects then very much.

So who’s doing the Sussex PR? If it’s true that Sunshine Sachs is no longer working with them, are they using Archewell’s staff?

Can you imagine having to write a glowing press release for some cunt who just reamed you out because she didn’t like the way you dialed the phone?

Balmoral is a big place. It’s not like they were all going to grandma’s 1700 sq ft house with no spotty wireless. More like they were going to a median-sized corporate campus. And Balmoral is remote. Harry and Meghan have already made a huge fuss over “security.” Under these circumstances, someone humiliating Meghan or even making a legit attempt on her life are possibilities.

So I can see Harry making the initial request more as a “can Meghan hitch a ride?” type of thing, under the assumption that she would need to be there in a few days anyway (whether that’s true or not, that may have been what they were thinking). And even if she didn’t NEED to be there, she sure as shit wasn’t going to sit in a hotel room for several days hiding out.

So I can see why Harry, and Meghan even more so, would have wanted her on that plane.

However, when your mom is dying, you don’t rock the boat. It’s basic human 101. When the situation is that bad, it’s obvious to anyone normal that it’s equally bad, if not worse (because William and Charles were about to undergo a huge transition), for everyone else. So I understand the request and don’t think it’s unreasonable. But holding up the plane after hearing “no”? What an asshole.

Was Zara on the phone with Anne begging to bring Mike Tindall? Was Bea crying to Andrew that she wanted Edo with her?

No, they weren't on the plane with or without their spouses. They all quietly came up the next morning.

R164. It’s really impossible to put an innocent explanation on Harry’s request. Even he is smart enough to know that she had earned his family’s undying hatred. He knew that he was essentially asking, hey, I know I’ve made your lives miserable for three years., but can I also destroy the last few moments of my grandmother’s life? Can I please spoil your memory of her death?

He knew very well she had no no place going there. He also knew her motives for wanting to go there were despicable. If Meghan were so fond of the Queen, she could have visited her earlier. She just wanted to make the family miserable for publicity.

The security where er the Queen is, is stringent, be it Balmoral or Buckingham Palace.

Harry wasn't worried about Meghan's security.

He was worried about facing alone a family who 1) thinks he's behaved abominably, and 2) Meghan's fury at her importance not being validated by being one of The A-ist Few getting papped at Aberdeen airport.

There would have been so much security being beefed up in London, Windsor, and Scotland that you could see it from Outer Space, given that the Security Services knew what had happened, and what came next. They'd always been briefed on next steps when the day came.

It was a out nothing but Harry's obsession with his own and his wife's importance, and his inability to function in a highly stressed emotional situation.

You can imagine, as the rest arrived, what he would have faced in the way of not BBC too veiled contempt.

It was Charles, William, Andrew, Anne, Edward, and Sophie from whom Harry needed protection.

He's that fragile and that dependent on her.

^*do not ask me why the fucking autocorrect out in BBC instead of "been"

Because I don't know.

It's likely a plot by the Klan Grannie Troll

R158, I was actually saying the opposite in response to the moron at r119 who wrote "This is a thread on an American site. Go find a British site to ply your anti-American bilge."

According to r119, Brits aren't allowed to post on DL because it's an American site, so I was wondering if he also believed that being an American negates his ability to post about something British.

[quote] The security where er the Queen is, is stringent, be it Balmoral or Buckingham Palace.

[quote] Harry wasn't worried about Meghan's security.

And Meghan wasn’t in either place. I don’t get your point.

I’m just saying that they might have been worried about how she would get up there later. I can imagine the two of them scratching their heads over how they were going to work it out in way that didn’t either expose her to potential immediate humiliation (if not actual danger) or delayed humiliation when it came out that she sat in a hotel room for five days watching Netflix and tik tok videos because she couldn’t get a ride that suited her opinion of her status. But, obviously, in that situation once they heard “no” she should have resigned herself to a few days of thumb twiddling or a run of the mill private car.

Whatever H&M's reasoning, I think the version we'll hear in the next truth-speaking-fest will be that Harry needed his wife there for support, having lost his beloved granny and not having the support of the rest of the cold family and that Meghan was already traumatized by being back in the UK/at Frogmore and was afraid to be left all alone, not having the support of the rest of the cold family.

H&M have their own security.

One ex-British military guy has a Youtube channel where he described, among other things, the way high level visitors to Afghanistan were protected. He touches on how Harry would have been protected while he was there.

His claim is that Harry has hired ex-SAS guys as security - a dozen or more. He comments that he was glad for the guys' employment and that their services are quite expensive.

If true, (and it sounds reasonable), the Sussex pair are well protected and are spending lots of money to have that protection.

R167 well said

[quote]I’m just saying that they might have been worried about how she would get up there later. I can imagine the two of them scratching their heads over how they were going to work it out in way that didn’t either expose her to potential immediate humiliation (if not actual danger) or delayed humiliation when it came out that she sat in a hotel room for five days watching Netflix and tik tok videos because she couldn’t get a ride that suited her opinion of her status. But, obviously, in that situation once they heard “no” she should have resigned herself to a few days of thumb twiddling or a run of the mill private car.

What are you even talking about? Other than the immediate family, everybody else sat their ass in either Windsor or London. Meghan was at Frogmore, which is where she belonged.

It has always struck me that Megs believed that she would immediately become beloved like she perceived Diana to be. Combined with an unrealistic "princess" fantasy, entitlement, and enablement by Harry - and poof, there you have it.

She was living in a fantasy for sure then, because Diana wouldn’t even be Diana in today’s age. Media has changed a lot since Diana, she was also a new type of Royal and married to the heir, not the spare. Now everyone’s seen it all, Nazi uniform, being a tampon, affairs, divorces, tell all interviews. Nothing is shocking anymore. She should’ve made it work in England, where most probably still care. Like the Beckhams, they weren’t going to make an huge impact in America. Most people don’t care.

The knives are out for Angela Kelly in the Daily Mail today - sounds like Charles has already changed the locks on her at Windsor, although she gets to keep her grace and favor home and her third book contract. Amusing sniping from the other downstairs staff, along with an anecdote that she was the envy of the Palace when the Queen said to Angela “We could be sisters!” in front of other staff.

What exactly would her position be, anyway? She was TQ's dresser. One would assume Camilla will have her own.

Harry must really like that black pussy to go thru all this. Megarama must have a vibrating twat.

R177 I have been wondering about Angela Kelly. It never works out well for those staff members who become extra close. Maybe she can tour with Paul Burrell?

Kelly has a 3 book contract. permanent grace and favor home, and very likely a fistful of cash.

I would love to see the reaction of some of you if your closet family member was dying and the only support you really had was your spouse and you were told not to bring them. You would be screaming. What the hell is the big deal. She didn't have to go in the room where the Queen was or was it a one room cottage where she died?

I have never seen such hatred and things blown so out of proportion. Some of you might want to think about what is making you so unhappy in your own life that you would want to take it out on someone you don't even know.

R182 But I wouldn’t worry that my spouse was going to leak private family details to Oprah, Scobie, etc. It’s not a dislike issue as much as a trust issue. I’m sure more than one royal family member wished the queen hadn’t chosen to die when the Harkles were in the UK. If they could have gotten away with it, they would have prevented Harry from coming too. I think they love him in spite of everything, but they don’t trust him. But I hear you. Any other situation the spouse should have been there 100%.

r182 Maybe it was the Queens wishes for Meghan not to be there? Or does the dying persons rights and wishes not count in your moral universe?

R182, it can’t always be about Harry. Forgetting about the Queen part, this is their mother who is in the midst of dying. The last thing anyone should be doing is picking a fight in that moment. Meghan is disliked by them, Harry is probably barely tolerated. He’s lucky they even invited him to come at all. I don’t believe the other grandchildren were asked to come before she died. Sorry, but that’s not the time to be throwing a fit. He should’ve just went and shut his mouth. Take it up with them later.

Right. While the Queen was drawing her final breaths, everyone really should have just stopped and thought, "gee, I wonder what Harry and Meghan want? What would be best for them?" Those two should always come first in any discussion or situation.

[quote]I think Harry will recover from all of this. Meghan, I can see her overdosing or getting into a car accident like Anne Heche. She is such a hot mess, there's no saving there.

I see it the other way around.

I hate to be so grim but I think Harry will meet with a premature death like his mother either due to an accident caused by his own stupidity or he will take his own life due to mental health problems exacerbated by his highly dysfunctional marriage to a raging control freak or it will happen after a messy divorce and in exile.

She on the other hand will make a career out of being the grieving widow or aggrieved divorcee. Books, talk shows and passive income from a vegan skincare and cosmetic line. I don't see her doing supporting roles on tv. She needs to be the star of the show but she doesn't have leading lady talent. Her only option is a reality show of her own or MAYBE her own talk show like Ellen where she can preach kindness on air and browbeat staff behind the scenes.

Just to add, he could’ve also just simply declined to go. His father just lost his mother and became King in the same moment and Harry declines to dine with him? I’m sorry, I’m not someone who is rabid hater, but it is selfish behavior and fucked up. That’s why I will always feel he’s horrible with or without Meghan.

r185 r186 The fact they seem to think they should be given that level of consideration points to extreme emotional immaturity or arrested development.

It cannot be emphasised enough it was only by happenstance coincendence Harry was in the UK when she died- he wasn't planning to visit her until her poor health was announced on her last day-otherwisw the issue of him or Meghan getting there in time to visit would never of arisen.

I just dont understand their insistence they are supremely important people and need 24-7 security. These 2 losers could stroll down Santa Monica Blvd at high noon and nobody will have an inkling of who they are.

R190, I would imagine their biggest concern is one of them being kidnapped, then held for ransom for either a political reason or just for money. There was an infamous Black Mirror episode where a British princess was kidnapped and threatened with death unless the prime minister, well, did it with a pig on national tv. Admittedly, that’s a stretch but I think they are reasonable to want security. This is the reason SS protects VIPs here in America, whether we like them or not. It would be such a political nightmare if someone is kidnapped on U.S. soil and a foreign leader was blackmailed to let them go.

[QUOTE]The knives are out for Angela Kelly in the Daily Mail today - sounds like Charles has already changed the locks on her at Windsor,

Oh, come on. She knew this was coming. And she's at retirement age anyway.

I do love how the Queen said "We could be sisters. " about a Liverpool dock worker's daughter.

R191, other members of royal families live here without tax-payer funded protection.

R191, whether it’s taxpayer funded or not, it’s totally reasonable for them to want security. It looks like right now they’re paying for it themselves. They are the most high profile “non-royal” royals here in America and MM is a lightning rod for positive and negative opinions.

I don’t know of any other royals living here except for (if my memory is correct) a princess from a Scandinavian country. And you can bet she has security, even if it isn’t publicized, because they don’t fear a lone nut. They fear a kidnapping that would put a foreign leader in a very difficult position of being blackmailed.

They need the security to maintain the illusion that they are supremely important people and active members of the RF. That's how they pay the bills. What do you imagine their pretend royal tour was all about? Got to maintain that image!

R194, a member of the Japanese royal family lives here too.

[quote]I don’t know of any other royals living here except for (if my memory is correct) a princess from a Scandinavian country. And you can bet she has security, even if it isn’t publicized, because they don’t fear a lone nut. They fear a kidnapping that would put a foreign leader in a very difficult position of being blackmailed.

Crown Princess Marie-Chantel of Greece lives in NY and I see her walking down Madison Ave all the time, with zero security. Granted, they are 'fake' royals and not as high profile but she's worth a hell of a lot more money the Harry and Meghan COMBINED.

R177 it also says that “AK47” “eyes up moving to America” which may be her blackmailing tactic. H&M are the trendsetters!

R196, and I bet you they have security. If there’s one thing security doesn’t say is if and how they provide it. Geez every minor celebrity in Hollywood has bodyguards, why expect that people as high profile as H&M wouldn’t? This country is full of nuts.

R197, it’s not always about the money. It’s about the blackmail.

Harry was 2nd most important grandchild because his father was becoming King. Harry grew up 3rd in line, did he not? Now 5th.

Most celebrities in Hollywood don't have bodyguards.

I don’t feel sorry for him, but he basically spent 30k on a private plane that got him there after the queen died, he had to face his relatives and head home a few hours later.

I would disagree r202. I think most with any notoriety do have bodyguards.

They don't, R204. What a ridiculous statement.

R205. Whatever. I think they do. And I’m not taking about an Amber Benson, I’m talking about celebrities with notoriety. And whether you agree or not M&H have tremendous notoriety in this country—and very negative opinions toward them.

That's great that you 'think' that but I've seen tons of A-list and B-list stars all over NYC and they never have bodyguards. But keep with your delusions.

I think both things are true. Harry and Meghan do need some security but do they need the 24/7 force that they've assembled at all times? (Probably not) Some of this is certainly about making them feel more important and vital than they really are. MM plays on that 'protect me or I will end up like Diana' narrative and this is part of it.

Ummm no r207. You will never see their bodyguards because good ones don’t let you know they’re bodyguards. Here’s a good article. People like Gaga have them. Adele, Bella Hadid. I don’t get why the argument btw. You hate H&M so you think they don’t deserve bodyguards just because you hate them. It’s illogical.

OK. Bodyguards aside. Here's my question: How Will MM handle being labeled a 'narcissistic sociopath." Will she address these things? They are not getting huge play in the US at all.

Gaga and Adele are global superstars. They are the exceptions not the rule.

Yes, I hate Meghan and Harry so much I want them to not have security and die. Sure, that's it.

Do Harry and Meghan need them to the degree they think they do? No. Meghan being driven by a staff of security to pick of her kid at some pricey school in the middle of her little millionaire enclave? Laughable. But do go on.

If they want security they can burn through whatever money they have to pay for it, but no way are the US tax payers going to fork over for that. Nor do the Canadians or the UK, which is what those 2 sociopaths are really after.

R211 there isn’t a demarcation line. H&M have enough notoriety and people who think very negatively of them that I can’t believe you begrudge them security. Seriously, judging by the hate on these threads, I’d say they should double it.

[quote] You do realize that your hate is doing nothing to Harry and Meghan but is destroying your own soul.

Mary!

The [italic]drama![/italic]

R213, on that we can agree. They aren’t working royals, and from what I understand, our government is not paying for their security. It’s coming out of H&M’s pocket. Now, if KCIII and the British government think that it’s more prudent to provide it, they will. If not, they won’t.

I remember Richard Harris mocking Tom Cruise in the 2000s for surrounding himself with bodyguards.

I've seen Leo at bars in LA with no bodyguards.

R213 It’s not about begrudging them security, you thick bint.

The British police CANNOT LEGALLY PROVIDE ARMED SECURITY IN AMERICA. Got it?

If you thnk they need that level of security, petition YOUR government and pay for it with YOUR tax dollars.

I don’t want them to die….they are too entertaining. You we could do without, however - you boring twat.

R213. Reality check time:

Most celebs who are far more famous than H&M DO NOT have private security.

Most celebs who have "many negative opinions" about them do not have private security.

H&M are not "high profile". They are nobodies in America (or anywhere else). No one GAF about them.

No one wants to kidnap H&M. They have no value. Their ransom would be marked down to bargain basement prices.

The need to have Super Security via Army snipers at all times and to rarely leave the house is kind of paranoid.

r194 Perhaps they should try not being so high profile by paying PR companies to report on them several times a week.They aint owed paid security or to have their lifestyle choices buttressed and enabled with taxpayers money.

Kidnap them? It would be "The Ransom of Red Chief", by O. Henry, written in 1907, in real time. The kid nicknamed Red Chief is so spoiled & obnoxious the kidnappers have to pay the parent to take him back.

Spoiled & obnoxious does that ring any bells. Does it sound like anybody we know..?/

Did I insult you r218? If you’re so confident in your opinion, no need to insult anyone.

[quote]Kate has allegedly been acting out in public and has made it so obvious that it's trending on twitter today.

*Louis* has allegedly been acting out in public and has made it so obvious that it's trending on twitter today.

[quote]I just dont understand their insistence they are supremely important people and need 24-7 security. These 2 losers could stroll down Santa Monica Blvd at high noon and nobody will have an inkling of who they are.

I've reported multiple death threats toward them on Twitter over the years, including yesterday from a guy who also has pro-Russian posts in his timeline. There have been death threats on here, too. There's at least one person (Matt A.) who loves to post death threats, but lately there's been another person posting sketchy violent replies that seem almost designed to get the attention of the FBI.

Someone else already pointed out that these are the easiest grandkids to get to, if someone wanted to blackmail Charles.

You don't like them so you don't want them to have security, that's all your comment really is.

^You're a good little Markle lookout/apologist, aren't you, booby.

Can we pls move the discussion on from security? will we have a statement from Gayle on Monday? There’s a lot ab them wanting to delay the publication of Harry’s book bc of sensitivities around the Queen’s death - but I think differently. I think MM Will push them to get it out there sooner as a way to answer all of this criticism she’s getting now and change the conversation. Plus it gives them an excuse for another Oprah sit down.

Yes r227, sure, but I want to talk about r226. There is no reason to insulting fellow DL’ers who have a disagreement with you. These are tho only threads on DL where people who think differently are subjected to the scummy insults from the other side. You MM haters don’t even realize you’re just as petty, just as much of a bully as the person you purport to hate for being that.

R228 must be VERY new here.

R225 I bet you’ve done nothing at all about the death threats aimed at Kate from Markle’s deranged supporters, have you?! What’s rhe problem….Kate got the wrong colour skin for you?

R228 Piss off. This is DL - insulting the “other side” is literally on every thread regarding every subject. Take your sagging tits back to Mumsnet if you don’t like it here, you stupid woman.

R225 Good luck with trying to police the internet. But thanks for giving us all a laugh, I can just imagine you sat at your computer in your underpants, reporting numerous death threats to Meghan Mandela. Scooby would be so proud of you, but unfortunately he doesn’t know who you are. You are just a busy body interfering creepy weirdo with too much time on your hands.

R29, trending on Twitter like this?

Harry and Meghan just want to drive down to Ralph's with their motorcade. I don't think that's too much to ask, honestly.

Is that some juvenile way of saying no one on here ever makes a death threat? Because there's a bunch of them in the thread I'm linking to.

Absolutely fucking bonkers that you would go into an emotional tailspin because someone said threatening to kill people is bad. You're THAT emotionally attached to making threats online? Jesus.

R224 Go back to the Meghan Press Hate thread, you moron.

We see you.

[quote]You are just a busy body interfering creepy weirdo with too much time on your hands.

wow that's calling the kettle black.

[quote]History is rife with situations where the lone heir dies unexpectedly, leaving chaos.

Comforting to know we will never face that prospect in OUR lifetimes, loyal subjects.

Charles needs to keep stringing H & M along regarding the titles of Sussex children. No titles if you keep misbehaving.

Personally, I don't think he should even be considering giving them this reward for their bad behavior.

r238, I doubt Charles was up for discussing titles in those busy and fraught days.

Roya is getting creative IMO. She does do that, she gave some twatwaffle about Haz and Meg being given a special procession at the Jubilee service at St Pauls, ( they were escorted to their seats, hardly a procession).

The Queen walked in on Meghan scolding the chefs pre-wedding a at tasing at Windsor b/c she tasted egg in and the food was meant to be vegan/micrbiotic. The Queen:

[quote] Meghan, this is not how we talk to people in this family.

The Queen said so little but so much. She was really an artist on how she got her point across. I'm still and I've said this a million times, shocked at how awful she treated everyone pre wedding. I would have been on best behavior at least until after the wedding. I really am starting to think she though she was doing Harry and the Windsors the favor.

There’s only one topic on DL where people feel free to insult others who don’t agree with them. That’s any thread involving MM. No it’s not the internet, and no it’s not DL. Why do you think Muriel keeps nuking these threads? And then when someone calls them out for it? They respond with more insults. Great intellectual argument.

I am no sugar but anyone who doesn’t agree 1000 percent with the MM haters apparently is. I’ll tell you what, the others on this thread need to get a name too. Points for the most creative.

R241 Bore off, you stupid cow.