King Charles

People with a functional brain?

How about Queen Consort Camilla? Even more unbelievable.

Frumpy Camilla!

He won't reign as long as his mother, he's 73.

That's QUEEN Camilla to YOU, r4

Bye, bye!

Thats KING GEORGE to you!

[quote]He won't reign as long as his mother, he's 73.

Beauty [italic]and[/italic] brains, R5.

Isn’t that a stupid inbred mutt with floppy ears, popular for a few minutes but no one cares now?

Or a dog breed?

Can you imagine living your life with the sole purpose being to await your parent's death?

I mean, sure, Uday, Qusay, and Javanka are doing that, as well. But, Charles's sole reason for being is to sit around and wait for his mother's death.

I'm not British nor a frau. So I think it's pretty realistic that she was going to die very soon and I expected it. Not shocking considering how old she was. And yeah her son doesn't seem popular but that's how monarchy works. It's inherited not popular vote. Maybe The UK will finally become a republic and stop clinging to an outdated monarchy. And while at that, also stop voting conservative assholes to the government. I'm tired of Brits bashing The US while ignoring their country's problems.

[quote]My contract with the publisher's up.

Versus the publisher's down? BTW, Oh, dear.

Long Live King Tampon!

Seemed kind of inevitable to me.

Everyone knew it would happen OP. Did you think Elizabeth was immortal...?

I thought he wanted to be called George VII, not Charles III, when he ascended the throne. Seems like everyone is calling him King Charles.

Camila will be the ugliest queen consort ever, and that is saying a lot.

Because he has announced he is Charles III.

As if.

Well, now begins the Madness of King Charles III, I’m sure they’ll try to blame it on porphyria again.

Charles has always said he’s cleaning house and tightening things up. So I guess a lot of people at the Palace are pulling out their resumes and a lot of those extra are shitting bricks now. I would assume she has left Andrew well taken care of, so he’ll be okay when Charles ices him out.

Will his first act as King be the dismantling of all UK architecture post WWII.

^They won't make cuts among the staff who are charged with carting around Charles' personal toilet seat and installing it wherever he needs to use the facilities.

Charles is quite liberal, so it will be interesting to see how he handles this role.

GOD WILLING, r22

I remember the days there was talk of passing him over for William

“Gherkin! You in danger gurl!”

Charles is second only to John as the worst king name

“You too, Strata gurl!”

Everybody loved Charles II, r28. One of the most popular monarchs in history.

Folks, take your last spin on the Eye, it’ll be dismantled before the Queen is cold in the ground.

As soon as I can prove these people are racists it will be Queen Meghan! Long may she reign!!! One Meghan to rule them all!!!!! mWahahaha……

R30 Well he followed the interregnum and was good looking (for an english King) and loved to party.

Queen camilla already has the bitches seething.

I loved the a Queen, but do not like Charles. He will be the downfall of the monarchy.

[quote[I remember the days there was talk of passing him over for William

Except that wasn't a thing

[quote]He will be the downfall of the monarchy

Don't worry I'll pick it up

People won't care about the RF now until William is King. Who wants to look at Charles and Camilla parading around? Might she at least run a comb through her hair now?

No, its NOT R6, but you certainly can continue worshipping the cunt.

I find Camilla fascinating.

People talk about cams ugliness but do you all realize she's had to fuck ugly inbred charles for decades too?

One thing for sure camilla is going to need a full blown makeover, including new hair.

R1 got some time on your hands, Markle?

Absolutely R41, Camilla is perfect for Charles, they are both ugly as fuck! Diana was way too good for Charles, he didn't deserve her.

I give it a year before Charles III needs to go for a visit to rehab to get the drinking and pills under control, he’s going to crack like an Easter egg.

What will queen mother camilla do next?

The best way to end this antiquated system is to ignore Charles. Folks will realize that the firm is not necessary.

It’s weird never to see Camilla’s children and grandchildren.

I wonder if this will be like a Pope John Paul I thing.

The best thing that could happen of course would for Horsemilla Cuntwhore to croak as soon as possible and spare us the torture of having to see it day in & day out. Sadly, the cancer rumors from a few years back were not true, so we can only hope now.

[quote]King Charles

I can't see that without thinking Spaniels. Goofiest dogs on the planet.

King Charles spaniels are THE most wonderful, loving dogs anyone could own. They are literally known as the most loving - and most loveable - breed. You have no idea what you're talking about, r51

So, the corgis are out and the King Charles Spaniels are in? Will her dogs be put to sleep and buried with her along with most of the household servants?

Who *is* going to take the Corgis?

Literally nothing else could have happened.

The Queen will probably leave her horses to Anne and her Corgis to William. Anne has bull terriers and one of them killed one of Queen's Corgis a few years ago. William and Kate just have peaceful cockers.

DAMN, had no idea r56. Yes, let's not send them to Anne and her killer dogs.

Though honestly, I imagine the corgis have been cared for by servants for years. If they can keep doing that, the dogs should be happy enough.

Poor corgis.

I think Andrew has or had a corgi. Maybe he and Fergie will take them. All that would happen is they would be taken on a walk one day from Windsor Castle in Windsor Park, end up at Andrew's and that's that. It will give him something to do in exile.

The Queen got a couple of Corgi puppies last year after Philip's death. She was lonely.

R61 Maybe she should of just gotten some geriatric sex toys instead.

eh, you get to the age where another Corgi is better r62. Sex is just such a goddamn bore after awhile.

Will Charles now use the money in those Saudi suitcases?

HM stopped breeding and acquiring new corgis and dorgis several years ago, telling friends she didn't want any to be left behind without her. By the time off Philip's death, she had none. After Philip died, a close friend gave her one of each descended from HM's dogs and she accepted them.

A dorgi is a mix of a corgi and dachshund. It's not a breed recocognized by any kennel association but they are supposed to be very smart and very sweet. The first one was created when one of HM's corgis impregnaated one of Princess Margaret's dachshunds but it wasn't planned.

So there is no big pack of dogs left to be cared for, just the two.

For laughs:

R17, maybe he realized he is too old to change names now.

I know they get to pick their names r67, but honestly, at this point, it seems like it would just be stupid to pick anything but Charles.

Guess that should've been to r17, but either way, you're Charles. Don't dick around with this, Chuck.

The Queen is dead!

And we will not see another like her for many generations.

Thank you, Ma'am!

Well done, Ma'am!

You will be sorely missed, Ma'am!

The Queen is dead!

Long live the King!

“Consort” sounds kind of seedy. Like a mashup of the words concubine and escort.

That's what I said r71. Oh, what a lovely sofa. Can I have it?

He will balls it up within a year. Elizabeth could rely on a well spring of generational goodwill spanning 70 years. Charlie has zero resonance with anyone under 50. With the older crowd he's remembered as Mr Tampon and a big eared dilettante who talked to plants. C & C 's coronation will cost a fortune at at time when post Brexit the kingdom is sliding into to penury. I think the government will force him to abdicate in favor of the newer more popular brand of Big Willy and Kate. Much liked the cardinals did with Pope Benedict. Surprised if Charles III lasts out 2025.

Now he can fuck me.

Oh, he may say a few things that get everybody into a moronic and fraudulent tizzy, but I seriously doubt anything with happen that will make anybody do anything r73.

Two things I like about Charles: one, his championing of classical architecture. Two, his love of nature and growing things. Very English.

Mummy was the Greatest Generation .Sonny is a Boomer. Tells ya all ya need to know.

R75 Wouldn't count on that.

If Charles can rein in his overly poticised "climate change" rhetoric and revert back to plain old fashioned environmental conservation, he will make a good and unifying King.

More saving of, say, endangered plants/species (see his successful campaign to save the English Ash tree), and less Davos/WEF-inspired meddling in how Britons' live their daily lives, and he should do ok.

If HM King Charles (very weird typing that!) was smart, he would save the country tens of millions of quid and continue the use of Brit currency with his late mum's image in tribute to her being Britain's longest reigning monarch. Otherwise, they'll print new money now and then have to do it all over again in another 20 or so years if/when Wills becomes king.

Charles might surprise people.

Remember Giuliani. Everybody hated him, then everybody loved him during 911. Now, everybody hates him again.

Charles may rise to the occasion.

You Yanks who think Charlie has a chance no nothing about 2022 UK.

Where are those pesky Brit’s who don’t want their King involved with a divorced woman when you need them? It’s not to late to abdicate Charles!

I bet we all keep calling him Prince Charles. I still sometimes slip and say Lady Di.

How dare a man try to become queen!

R22- I wish he had the power to do that in the United States 🇺🇸 too- everything built after World War Two in the US is POST WAR BLIGHT.

The best thing Charles could do for the country is to restore the powers of the monarchy. Who can say honestly that the mess and divisiveness of British politics of the last fifty years is better than the king having political power? Charles and William would both rule benevolently.

[quote] Will his first act as King be the dismantling of all UK architecture post WWII.

Instead of dismantling the London skyscrapers, perhaps they could just put nice Georgian facades around them. I would leave the Gherkin as it is. It’s very pretty.

Charles is a bland borefest, but then again so is William. The real problem with Charles as King is being subjected to seeing more of Horsemilla Cuntwhore.

R88- I actually share his taste , lol

King Charles will address the nation and the Commonwealth in a message paying tribute to The Queen that will be broadcast at 6pm this evening. A new official photo was also taken of the King during the recording this afternoon in the Blue Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace.

Charles greeting crowds outside Buckingham Palace.

I guess the Royal Family is the only thing that differentiates the UK from the rest of Europe- that's why they embrace it so. That and the fact that they drive on the wrong side of the road.

Coinage and notes with the queen on them don't get withdrawn, R80,. That's never happened. New issues of Charles will join the existing currency, which then gradually changes over time. For coins at least there could easily be a majority of the queen's in currency throughout Charles's reign. That's what happened in James I's and Edward VII's reigns.

In 1972 I received coins with George VI on them in my change. Liz will still be on the money for a long time.

Yes, in the early 70s you could get bronze coins of Edward VII, George V and George VI in your pocket money - even Victoria, very rarely. Decimalisatio involving a completely new coinage and a long reign have made people forget this.

R94- Thank you, that was strangely comforting.

I don’t think Charles is boring. I think he got some of the fun beat out of him when he couldn’t marry the woman he wanted, but if I’m hosting a party, Charles would be on the guest list before William.

I liked Charles then I hated Charles then I liked him again. I began forgiving him for gaslighting Diana when, understanding her appeal and the emotion of grief, he insisted that her funeral be open to the public and her procession be longer. The BRF wanted a private one by her family as they were so out of touch with their public, and the world for that matter.

Charles could easily have become an entitled moron like Andrew but he is constantly learning and has genuine empathy for underprivileged youth, the focus of his Prince's Trust. He can be stubbornly inflexible about his pet causes like homeopathy but by all accounts he is attentive and present with people. Those are rare virtues in my experience and not only from rich entitled people. I never believed the British public wouldn't accept him as King.

R99- I think that was a very accurate and fair assessment of him. I believe that does have a kind heart.

Live Streaming at the BBC

I think he did an excellent job in his address - I was very reassured that he is up to the job.

Very good speech, imo. King Charles will do just fine.

Lot of ignorance on display here. Charles is going to do much better than expected. I know. The bar is low on expectations but still. He is an advocate for the environment, for food security, and for diversity. He has always got in trouble for it by the establishment, but the world has finally caught up to him. I'm looking forward to him. And everyone who has dealth with Camilla says she is a dream to be with because she is warm and kind and works hard.

Hilarious watching these "royal watchers" trying to put lipstick on this piggy old git.

Another Major Johnny sighting!

Maybe he should get his own thread.

Slightly off-topic, but surely someone knows the answer to my admittedly shallow question. And forgive if I get any of the terminology wrong.

As an American freak for the Royal crowns, tiaras, and diadems, I would seriously like to know, will Queen Consort Camilla now wear the crowns, etc. that Queen Elizabeth II has worn all these years?

I'm sure I could find some answers elsewhere, but I have certainly come to trust and welcome information directly from the experts here. TIA.

British royalty is an anachronism. It has no power but, for some reason or other, people find comfort in the tradition. Why they would pay millions in taxes to keep that tradition is beyond me

[quote] As an American freak for the Royal crowns, tiaras, and diadems, I would seriously like to know, will Queen Consort Camilla now wear the crowns, etc. that Queen Elizabeth II has worn all these years?

I don't know for sure, but I would doubt it.

As Queen Consort, she is not a ruling Queen like Elizabeth was.

[quote] . Charles is going to do much better than expected

What do people actually expect him to do? Royalty shows up at parliament and at major national celebrations. That's about it.

I hate to ruin anyones grief party, and I admit I do have affection for her, but all these people are talking about what the Queen did, and her life of service and OMG things will never be the same, etc. But honestly, WTF did she do? Seriously. Whenever she spoke it was like a very kind neighbor mouthing platitudes, and I did love her outfits. And she would walk abut greeting people and saying harmless things to them, and everyone talked about how "encouraging " she was, but really...she cut a lot of ribbons. She showed up for people. But I just do not get that she "served her country" thing.

The Monarch wears the crowns.

R106 Watching those two ,one asks "How can so much charisma be contained within four walls?"

r112 thank you, does that mean just King Charles III? Sorry, just not clear on all the royal terminology.

Charles is subtle. All the media is saying he offered a "olive branch" to Harry, and that was not what he was doing. He was letting the world...and Harry know that Harry living in America and "building his own life" is exactly what Charles wants. Looking at it long term, it's for the best. Hopefully the animosity will disappate and HArry can come home to visit from time to time..

When are the meetings for his likeness on the stamps and the money going to be? Can’t we kick off 2023 with new Chas regalia?

Every time I hear "King Charles" I think of this...

The crowns that the Queen wore belong to the monarch so Charles would wear them on ceremonial occasions. Camilla will wear the crown last worn by Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother.

QE had some tiaras that she owned (her private collection), so I guess Camilla could wear any of those that Charles inherited.

Correction—only worn by QEQM—it was created for her.

Wikipedia:

All British queens consort in the 20th century, Alexandra of Denmark, Mary of Teck and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, wore their own specially made consort crowns, made in 1902, 1911 and 1937 respectively; (each went on to outlive her respective husband but, as a dowager, retained the title, crown and other privileges of a queen until death). Previous English and British queens consort had used the crown of Mary of Modena, wife of King James II, until Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen, the consort of King William IV, who had a special new consort crown created for her.

This article is kind of confusing, but it does say that Camilla will wear the Queen Mother's crown, i.e., the crown of QE's mother.

R122 That makes sense the crown of a homely witch for a homely witch.

Thank you to all above who took the time to answer my question about the crowns, etc.

Much appreciated, yours r107

Well if all the Queen Consorts since 1830 have had new crowns made for their coronations, why does Camilla have to wear a used one? Even if it does have the Kohinoor diamond.

You know, the tabloids will never leave them alone, they will invent drama, and exploit ever little twinge, and it will stir trouble, and then there are the Staff and people at court who jealously guard their turf. So Harry needs to make peace with his father, brother and family, but he also needs to keep his distance or he will be just another mess like Margaret or Andrew. Before this happened Harry looked relaxed and happy in L.A. or WTF ever and I say let it be.

Watching the Crown, it seems that Queen Elizabeth was more a witness to history than a creator of history

I wonder if Queen Elizabeth's dogs were with her when she died.

I wonder what killed her. That Lady with the Caribbean accent hints it was leukemia.

Dinner must be seething with rage right this very minute in the very bowels of Hell

Dianer must be seething with rage right this very minute in the very bowels of Hell.

[quote] QUEEN Camilla

It wouldn't be the first time someone equine has been elevated to royalty.

I've always thought that Camilla's PR rehab was a masterclass in changing someone's image. To go from what she was to, now, the Queen Consort was no small feat.

I like Charles, but unfortunately I think the goodwill he received today will be short-lived. A lot of that was for a son who just lost his mother. Once Liz is the ground and the crowds disburse from the palace, that's when the real interesting stuff begins.

R127 I agree. It was almost as if she was a mirror, or an observer for us. She was this pleasant looking woman with the aura of royalty and the weight of centuries of history. She was head of the Church of England. She lived in a castle and she presided over a dysfunctional family. All that pomp and the Cinderella coach and the flourishes elevated it for many people. And the Titles. "The Prince of Wales" "The Princess Royale, The "Duke of York" Damn. It was like Shakespeare meets the Kardashians.

R134- That was NOT the Cinderella coach it was

BODY BY FISHER

Poor Charles an orphan at the tender age of seventy-three.

Sunny Hostin - who appears to do nothing now but play the race card - was bitching about the colonial Queen and how Charles needed to pay reparations to her and people in Jamaica, Africa, etc., etc. Except Sunny is half Puerto Rican and half African-American so she needs to get her reparations from Joe Biden. Then Ana Navarro (who can sometimes be quite surprising) pointed out that the Catholic Church had enslaved Africans and natives all over the Americas and they should pay reparations. That shut Sunny up as she's a Devout Catholic.

Now, charles is a spoiled idiot. That video of him hitting the horse (not camilla, an actual horse) and cursing it because he wouldn't do what he wanted is very telling.

How about Harry's polo pony bleeding heavily where Harry dug his spurs into him.

Charles is in fact very unattractive and of course, Camilla is downright hideous. They are made for each other. Diana was on a completely different level, beautiful and beloved the world over. So much so that Charles grew jealous and resentful when the crowds wanted to shake hands with Diana, not him. Diana was too good for Charles, he didn't deserve her!

I saw this clip on one of the news stations of Charles as a bachelor and googled to see more. I had no idea he was such a party animal. The clips at the beginning are hysterical.

These clips are golden.

DL is encouraged.

r144 yep, saw this earlier and sure liked it better than the one posted previously!

Charles was interested in Barbra, we could have had her as Princess

The DM is reporting Andrew will take HM's dogs.

That sounds like animal cruelty.

R148 Apparently, the dogs are wholly terrors, so it’s probably more a punishment for them.

Andrew and his daughters gave two corgis to the Queen when her old ones died about two years ago. So they're just taking them back.

I don't want to seem callous, because I did like and enjoy the Queen for all these years. But I am glad Charles is taking over. Even though he is 73, he seems more in t ouch with what is happening in the world. He has an active vital interest in the environment, he is committed to it, and he has an active interest in diversity both at home and throughout the commonwealth. And if he has a tendency to speak out now and then I will look forward to it. HIAlso hope Charles will dispense with some of the ceremonials. I can see upholding traditions and yeah, it's historic, but enough.

I wonder if they'll donate Sandringham, Clarence House and Kensington Palace to the National Trust? They have way too many palaces which they won't be using anymore. Will and Kate will be living in Windsor. Charles has Buckingham Palace, Balmoral and High Grove.

Clarence House and Kensington are part of the Royal Palaces group, like Buckingham Palace, St James's Palace and Windsor - the BRF can use them but not donate or sell them. KP and CH are too useful anyway. A chunk of KP is open to the public already. Charles did suggest a while ago that BP might be turned into a gallery for the Royal Collection, but they always need a cental London suite of state rooms for events, so it could be split like KP. Sandringham, Balmoral and Highgrove are owned by the monarch privately, so could be disposed of in theory (Victoria and Albert's Osbourne House on the Isle of Wight is a precedent). I can't see Charles changing the routine of Christmas at Sandringham and Balmoral in the autumn. Highgrove is more vulnerable, as it has no real family history.

R151 Groovy to hear from 1969.

I don't see Charles giving up Highgrove. He truly loves it. It is his refuge. He's owned it and nurtured it for a very long time. Keeping Clarence House and St. James as residences, and opening up Buckingham Palace to the public along with maintaining offices there might be the way to go. I know that when Princess Anne or Prince Edward and Sophie are in London they stay at Buckingham Palace. So maybe maintain two or three apartments there. Now With Kensington, there are still some occupied apartments. So they have to let the old folks die off.

William is still holding on to Anmer Hall which is part of the Sandringham constellation. I wonder if Charles might try to change the Christmas routine because now the Queen is gone, and he can.

Horsemilla, of course belongs in the stables.

I've been surprised by all the outpouring of support for Charles in the UK. It appears he is more popular than we've been led to believe. And I like Camilla now. She seems like she'd be a lot of fun. The same couldn't be said for Drama Queen Di.

Of course, R157 "likes Camilla now" as if you never did.

R158 I delighted in the story of Camilla being pelted with bread rolls in a Tesco! Thought she was an evil, conniving bitch but that was before I learned Diana was an out of control borderline who depended on astrologers, psychics, fortune tellers and that she'd stalked Hoare and Carling.

Even though Charles has been a big deal his whole life, he must be rather enjoying himself on some level right now. He's the MAN, the center of attention, King Shit!

I'm going to hijack this thread and go completely off topic. But I've been watching the around the clock ABC streaming service that has been 24/7 Royal coverage since the Queen's death. How have I not known about adorable Royal reporter Omid Scobie? Are you Brits keeping him your own little secret? If I fly to London, will he sit on my face?

You know, I read that Camilla had a lot of adjusting to do once they got married. Because she wasn't into all the ceremonials shit and the obligations of appearing with him. She wanted to control her own schedule and have her own "Me" time and it was getting very difficult. And now here she is. And I can understand the look on her face. She looks at turns terrified, and confused.

Funny I was watching them on TV this morning and my thought was that Camilla has a very good poker face.

I was watching her the past few days and I have concluded that Camilla has a very "mannish" masculine face.

Even if King Charles III is no Hitler, Camilla remains Eva Braun.

On TV in Kenya:

R161 Obie is addicted to cheap plastic surgery and skin whitening. He appears to be either turning himself into Meghan Markle or he actually is Meghan Markle.

Most people would also prefer Horsemilla to have her "me time" as well and not be subjected to seeing much of her, obviously!

Royal Factoid: Camilla Queen Consort will be the first monarch with whiskers since George V in 1910.

^ Factoid : Camilla is not the Monarch but she is..

So many British women have the blond mustache. They love to bleach their whiskers instead of waxing it off. The bleach makes it grow longer and it looks more prominent in the light.

Horsemilla is one hideous looking creature, even by British standards, OMG!

Well, she's looking a lot better than Diana is now.

Sweet Jesus the money Charles and William will have. If I was Harry I would walk on broken glass to get back in his papa's good graces, because Charles could easily part with about $50 Million without batting an eye.

shrug, I'd rather have a drink and chat with Cam over Harry's phony backstabbing suppirt dog. woof

Harry's got to be homesick as hell. The supposed glamour of living in Hollywood has worn off by now and he must be totally lost, isolated from everybody by his bitch wife.

I thought he would somehow pass and William would be the next king. (Not British and have no idea how this would technically work.)

Charles must be ready to collapse. He probably hasn't had much sleep at all, and he's being pressed to make a million decisions large and small in a a compressed time frame. And he is on complete public display. I hope William is ready to step up because the amount of work is going to be overwhelming. Charles likes to focus on the administrative side of things, and has been doing that part for at least the past two decades. The Queen had left a lot of it to staff, but he was very hands on asking questions and going over the information.

It’s hard to go through even one funeral for a person, but having to go to so many services for Queen Elizabeth would be awful. Just hearing about them all is tiring.

The female royals were interesting and/or amusing: the Queen, Diana, and Princess Margaret in her naughty years. All sadly gone now. The three top current male members are dull as dishwater (I just can’t get interested in the Harry and Markle snoozefest being passed off as “drama”).

I agree, R180. On another note: Given that Charles is wealthier than God right now, and given the concerns about Harry's memoir, Harry could conceivably kill the book and decide not to publish it. However, he would be in breach of contract. Costly. So maybe Charles will loosen his purse strings, and Haqrry can kill the book, and everyone will be happy and all will be well. You now is was Prince Phillip who made the rule about you can't be half in or half out. He did it when Edward and Sophie thought they could pursue careers, and make money and still be part of the working family and have Royal duties. Apparently there was some contrversy with Edward fucking up some film project and it caused a scandal., and Phil stepped in and said shit or get off the pot. No half and half. YOUre either in or out. If you're out we sever all ties and you become private like Princess Anne and Princess Margaret's kids. Or you remain as working Royals and stop fucking around with "business ideas." Now that Phillip is dead, Maybe Charles will revisit that rule and allow Meghan and Harry to do assume some duties and patronages, and spend part time in the UK. Of course they would have to be circumspect in their activities and it would affect how they live their lives, but much less than if they were full time.

I watched the service at Westminster Hall today and several times I thought Charles was about to fall over backward.

Charles' vast wealth today was built on the backs of brown and black people in the past!

But I'll get over it. Make sure the checks are payable to me, not Harry.

R183 you mamy be right about the distant past. But Charles portfolio of investments and the way he has made High grove a throving concern, and his stewardship of the Duchy of Cornwall which is a profitable money maker are all recent developments. Here I thought he was a "tree hugger." and he is more like a modern day investment guy. Low key but smart. Shrewd. Not nearly as ditzy as I thought.

Off topic yet again, but you all give Camilla so much hell about her looks and hair. Did you ever take a good gander at your Queen? She was extremely unfortunately looking, apparently never took care of her skin, and always had a hideously old fashioned and horrible hair do. She was never youthful looking and beautiful in the way Diana or Kate are. And she looked far more dated than Camilla.

And her teeth!

Philip was a piece of work, long overstayed his welcome, should have kicked it 20 years ago. As the old saying goes, only the good die young, fits him to a tee.

GUrls, Charles went to Higgrove and he's taking Thursdayh and Friday off, and Camilla... went to her house! Yes. They have separate retreats they go to for some space and "quiet time."

You know... They kept saying on TV that the Queen made all her arrangements herself even to naming the order of the people following the gun carriage carrying the casket. And all the family and people who were close. Now you read shit all the time about who is close to the Queen. But as much as Fergie likes to "sell" her relationship and how often she visited with Her Magesty, she was no where to be seen. Andrew walked alone, (as he should) and she was not standing in the clutch of people with the cousins and old folks and members of the QQueen's household. My sense is the Charles is very passive aggressive. He's got this style of appearing empathetic and kind and he can also be a vengeful vindictive shit. Very petty.

R183 Ding ding ding! That's pretty much it.

The queen was tolerable, Charles on the other hand is not and of course, Horsemilla goes without saying. William, however has shown himself to be more like Charles, so we are now stuck with two pompous bores as the next kings.

[quote] Now you read shit all the time about who is close to the Queen. But as much as Fergie likes to "sell" her relationship and how often she visited with Her Magesty, she was no where to be seen.

She’s no longer in the family, she’s divorced. You may have noticed Anne’s first husband wasn’t there, either.

Fergie knew the Queen from the time she was a little girl. (There is a photo somewhere that I have seen posted here.)

When Fergie and Andrew split, Fergie and the Queen had a meeting and TQ asked Fergie what she wanted (about the divorce from Andrew) and Fergie replied "Your friendship, Ma'am".

I think that the Queen retained that friendship.

I don't know if Fergie will be at the funeral or not, but I would not be surprised.

Not like Anne's first husband at all.

Camilla and Kate have a lot of work ahead of them to help make Charles and Will more endearing. Kate has loads of charisma and a strong work ethic. Will snagged a keeper. He NEEDS her.

R193 Philip despised Fergie but the Queen was more forgiving. She may be there but she won't be included with the royals.

Why was Charles bent out of shape over a sister-in-law, it’s not like he had to sleep with her, or did he has future king?

The guest list for the funeral has been published (no, I don't have a link). Fergie is not on it, to my surprise. She won't be there.

Am I on it??

---Oprah

R178 Cheers Milla.

Here's the picture of little Sarah Ferguson with the Queen and both Andrew and Edward as boys.

Little red haired Fergie.

Andrew with his back to the camera.

Edward in the front.

Watched William and Kate working the crowd today. BOFFO BO ! A true 21st century act. King Tampon and his Rottweiler can not effectively market the Windsor brand. The PTB will ring down the curtain on them just like they did with Pope Benedict when his tea cups weren't selling. Charlie will probably use darling Camilla's health as an excuse to shuffle off. Noticed at the ceremony yesterday she started to go bobble head Katherine Hepburn like and the cameras cut away quickly. Give them 36 months tops. Kate is already picking out the new wall paper for Buck House.

R197 There has been no guest list published by the Palace. All you’re reading are incomplete lists of confirmed guests. Most published lists have been laughably Eurocentric. Royals from the Middle East and Africa have been left off these published lists as have the premiers from these countries even though many have confirmed.

As for Fergie, by all accounts, she is invited to the funeral.

r200 that link is no good

There was a video clip up of H&M and the Wales at Windsor where Meghan went to shake the hand of a mentally handicapped little boy - about 12 - and she immediately freaked out when he grabbed her, pulling her hair away from him and looking horrified. Then Kate went over to the family with the boy, she and the boy hugged for a long time and she chatted to him and his parents. That's Diana-like.

It's surprising, considering Meghan's rumored early obsession with Diana and detailed studying of Diana, you would think she would be more Dianaesque in style. But Meghan lacks Diana's charisma.

Diana had charisma and EMPATHY. Meghan has neither.

Diana's best friend Rosa Monckton had a baby with Down Syndrome a few months before Diana died. Diana became her godmother. Rosa's husband journalist Dominic Lawson wrote about how it was Diana who put them in touch with all the resources for children with Down's and talked them through their initial shock at having a baby with Down's, talking about all the people with Down's she knew and had worked with.

How the Harkles are using the Queen for SELF-PROMOTION

I'm watching the arrival of Charles and Camilla in Wales. The crowds are rapturous, Charles is a superstar! Whod'a thunk it.....

[quote] I'm watching the arrival of Charles and Camilla in Wales. The crowds are rapturous, Charles is a superstar! Whod'a thunk it.....

People are emotional and grasping the deficit left by the queen. I cross my fingers that Charles will be a decent king. But let’s revisit him in 2 years and reassess then.

I watched it too. Sawe the service in the cathedral. Camilla stumbled as she left, and she seemed to move with difficulty. Watching her sit in the chair to sign, and then rise from it. Later as she was leaving she seemedto stumble a bit. It was noted, but we are told she has broken her toe and it was difficult to walk today. I'm telling you. As I watched her standing next to Charles during the service, she wastrembling. Yes, her head was like Katherine Hepburn but not so pronounced. I don't think Camilla can manage for more than 3 more years. I suspect it's Parkinson's. The stress of all of this must be adding to it.

[quote] I suspect it's Parkinson's.

I noticed some tremors too. I hope it was just nerves. This is not in her wheelhouse at all, even if she's been doing a good job so far. It's always been said about her that she hates fuss and formality and here she is, Queen consort.

R212, yes, and the other thing I read was how much she resented having to go everywhere with him all the time. She likes her freedom. I think once they get passed this she is going to slow things down. She'll do her things, and she'll do state occasions, but she'll cut back. Plus he already sort of set the stage when he said he had a lot more work to do and had to cut back on all his charities and patronages. Man, Anne Edward Sophie and William and Catherine are going to be doing some very heavy lifting.

Why Meghan keeps DEMANDING Archie and Lilibet's TITLES.-

Meghan and HArry are on good behavior right now. They are demanding nothing.

I always thought Chuck would bow-out while Liz was still alive, and she'd make Wills the King.

Her Makesty didn't have the authority to do that. Only Parliament can change the line of succession.

If Harry and Meghan are demanding anything, their timing is off. Charles can call their bluff: they didn't want to be part of the royal family, they moved to a country where we don't have titles. Their hypocrisy is too flagrant.

Unfortunately, the cancer rumors regarding Horsemilla a few years back turned out not to be true. Anything that can possibly end that creature's life sooner than later is a great thing!

You know I just read that Beatrice and Eugenie are continuing to do some of their patronages. And both are now non working Royals, in fact Eugenie lives in Portugal. Not sure where Beatrice is living. Point is both of them are hybrids. partly "inside" and mostly "outside." I sincerely hope Harry can re-negotiate his status. And I equally hope Harry and Meghan keep their motuths shut about the family. They need to stop complaining and being cry babies. That;s all people will see about them and there's no future in it.

Charles should just make William the King of Australia and Harry the King of Canada.

Why did Harry move to LA? He claimed he adored Africa and felt so at home there. And he married an exemplary black woman who is as celebrated in South Africa, according to her, as Mandela. Why don't they move to Botswana? They could be Enormous Fish in a Tiny Pond there as opposed to being Hollywood B-list TV people in Hollywood.

R203

Try this one.

[quote]The three top current male members are dull as dishwater

Oh, dear.

Are the Corgis out now, and the Spaniels in?

The Archie and Lilibet thread is closed, and I didn't want to start a new one to ask this:

I'm the American who loosely follows the royals. Have any of you Brits heard any conspiracy theories about the Sussex kids? I was just perusing Quora, and ran up on some insane threads claiming everything from the kids not being real, which is why they are never shown because Meg faked both pregnancies.....to Archie having fetal alcohol syndrome, which is why his face has never been shown. Apparently her fake belly is seen moving around in various videos? Can any of this be verified here?

There are a lot of crazy theories about the Sussex kids. If the kids weren't real the tabloids would be all over that.

Don't know don't care about Sussex spawn.

They should keep Beatrice just for her night vision.

R226, why do you read all that crap? I do think their 2 children exist. The one thing I think might be true is that they used a surrogate for one of the kids. I do believe she actually was pregnant for one of the kids (Archie, IIRC). There was a photo of her immediately post-pregnancy and she still had so much pregnancy weight in her midsection. It was really unflattering looking and I don't think she would have gone that far just to appear like she really gave birth.

Here's that post-pregnancy photo, on the right. She still looks pregnant!

Kind of disappointed in Quora.

R226

There are pictures of her with a shifting baby bump between the time she entered a place and exited. I seem to remember she might have been wearing a red dress. Quite noticeable.

And video supposedly while the bump was very large, she squatted down (to talk to a child?) with her knees together, a position which women who had been as pregnant as the bump appeared claimed was just not possible in advanced stages of pregnancy.

It all comes back to the legal requirement that apparently in the UK, to inherit (particularly in the RF, I would expect) a child must be "of the body". There have been court cases that upheld that, I think.

Apparently, use of a surrogate may mean a child is not "of the body".

That's why the speculation.

Given the questions about Harry's own paternity, it was extremely foolish of him to allow all that BS at the time of Archie's birth. Clouding the when and where. Could it be that M just loves the drama?

Meghan pretty obviously used a fake baby bump during her first pregnancy but I think she was pregnant. She just wanted to make herself look MORE pregnant and therefore get more attention and sympathy. Due to the 'born of the body' rule for the succession and as the baby was born in the UK, I'm sure the royal family would have been aware if she used a surrogate.

The miscarriage I don't believe. It came hot on the heels of Megan's apparent influencer role model Chrissy Teighen getting massive publicity (which she milked to the nth degree) for her miscarriage. Me too! Said Meghan.

I'm sure the second pregnancy was via surrogate. Why would a 40 year old woman have a baby in Hollywood if she can pay somebody else to do it?

What people really want to know is which one, Charles or William made the comment about the baby's skin color. Harry should either reveal it or use it to blackmail Charles.

R233 it was obviously Phil the Greek. He always said stuff like that. And everybody knew it was Philip which is why Harry had to deny it was him as he was dying and the Queen would never have spoken to him again.

Also Meghan lied claiming it was when she was pregnant. Harry said the comment was made by one person (aka racist old Grandpa) before they married.

He might not like being King. He is used to being able to talk about his pet projects, like environmental problems and architecture. He won't be allowed to do that anymore. I think when Charles was younger he wanted his mother to abdicate so he could be king but maybe he is too old now. It is hard to make a lot of changes when you are 73. And Camilla isn't that bad. I don't understand the hatred for her. She seems fun. Diana was always moping or she was being an attention whore. Diana went from man to man and Charles only had an affair with one woman. Both Charles and Diana were guilty.

I suppose William with his Earthshot Prize working with Sir David Attenborough is carrying on Charles' environmental concerns for him.

[quote] Diana went from man to man and Charles only had an affair with one woman.

Seems like Diana found out about Camilla pretty early into her (Diana's) marriage with Prince Charles. I've always thought that Diana started having affairs after she found out Charles and Camilla were not going to ever stop their relationship. In some ways, it's worse to have one, constant, long-time affair vs. several short-term affairs.

As I understand it (I can't believe how much I know and yet I rarely read anything about them...it's like the Kardashians, it seeps into your brain) Diana found out about them before she got mrried. She confided in her sisters who told her it was too late to cancel the wedding. When she confronted Charles about it, he admitted he bought Cammie a bracelet or some bauble as a going away gift, because they were friends but the relationship was over and he loved Diana. So Diana wanted to believe it and she did. THing is she and Charles were not compatible and he did resent her. Not her fault but he did. Then she got popular and took away some of his spotlight and he hated that. Really really resented it.

Diana became the most beloved woman in the world. When she and Charles were in public, shaking hands with people, everybody wanted to be on side to greet Diana, not Charles and obviously, who can blame them.

Diana and Charles had nothing in common. There was also too great an age difference. Diana had an affair with her bodyguard (who died under mysterious circumstances but nobody seems to mention him anymore) before Charles went back to Camilla. Camilla was crazy about Parker-Bowles and I think she led Charles on to make him jealous as he was fucking anything he could. Charles was crazy about her. I've never thought it was reciprocated. I think she finally gave in out of pity and because she realized Parker-Bowles would never change.

Diana chased after not only Hewitt but Oliver Hoare and Will Carling. Allegedly, the reason she only mentioned Hewitt in the Panorama interview is because he was the only man she fucked who wasn't married.

Charles didn't tell her he loved her ever. And she complained before she was married about his sleeping with Camilla, and a staff member told her they always run around and she needed to get used to it. She wanted fame. They only had 12 dates and she couldn't possibly have been in love with him either. Don't get me wrong, I was a Diana fan myself. Let's face it if she had lived she was still much better off divorced or not having married Charles. She loved fame and attention. If she hadn't married Charles she would have been a nobody with probably at least 3 divorces behind her. She was publicly charming but a real nightmare to live with.

I have a question that hopefully some unbiased posters can answer.... why did Diana want to stay married to Charles after they separated?

She didn't want him to be able to marry anybody else. She did hope to be Queen.

Tiggy Legge-Bourke was treated like absolute shit by Diana. OK, partly because Martin Thingy made up lies about her having an affair with Charles and partly because she was jealous of Tiggy's influence over her sons. But Tiggy continued to be very involved in Harry's life after Diana's death. She's one of the godmothers of his kid. And she obviously would have a very negative opinion of Diana. Was Harry never curious about the dark side of Diana's character?

[quote] What people really want to know is which one, Charles or William made the comment about the baby's skin color.

No, people don’t. It’s such an incredibly faux controversy. Every normal person, black or white, would have wondered the same thing and it doesn’t matter one bit which specific person was being referred to in this case.

Diane was clearly bipolar and they are often sexual compulsives.

Harry is mentally ill and probably a drug addict. He looked hungover or drugged up at all the events surrounding the late Queen's funeral rites.

He didn’t look “drugged up” to me and I’ve done more than my share of drugs.

R246, that's YOUR opinion and you OBVIOUSLY don't speak for everyone!

I Am a POC. At Church, in our famil among our neighbors, who a baby will favor was and is always discussed. It is not racist. It is curiosity. Now worrying about the complexion is a remnant of racism. Because within the Black community, a baby's color was a status symbol. It's been referred to as a caste system. Most iof that has gone away but older generations still chatter about it now and then. Of course the other comments refer to a kid's nose, or their ears sticking out. Now I wasn't there. I don't know who said what. I don't know the context and that is important. But IMO whoever said it was someone who might be either older, or into bloodlines...as with horses. Hell it couold have been Zara's husband. Or Camilla. Or Anne. OR one of the cousins like Kent. Personaly I think a kent said it at some family gathering and someone dutifully reported it back to the Sussexes. Almost as if they wanted to start some shit.

Granny always said white men have white babies and Black men have Black babies.

It reminds of this exchange.

I like ChazIII's new cipher! Modern!

No one made a comment about the baby's skin color while Meghan was pregnant.

What someone did was wonder out loud what color their babies would be if Harry married Meghan and had kids. They were only dating at the time.

Pretending like this was a situation where someone was asking about the appearance of a baby on the way is important to a lot of you, I know, because it helps make the question seem innocent and purposeful, but it wasn't an innocent question.

Is it true the Palace is up in arms about the next season of the Crown and looking to suppress it?

The color of the babies doesn't matter to me. What I want to know is what color is Meghan?

I’m sure Pantone has an answer for you and it’s spectacularly named.

People are cancelling United Kingdom vacations as we type..

R256, r257 it's Pantone 315b Tan in a Can.

R258 Well, if there’s no chance of seeing the Queen anymore, why go? Charles is probably going to close the borders soon anyways and they don’t want to be trapped there.

I always thought Charles probably had a decent package and was a good lover. Apparently he had some girlfriend in Montreal in the 1970s. He sowed a few oats before strapping the feed bag on fro Camilla.

Charles had some gorgeous girlfriends. Anna Wallace and Davina Sheffield were the best. But I think at that time he couldn't marry outside the aristocracy. He dated Lady Jane Wellesley for a long time and it seemed like they'd get married. Don't know what happened there.

"Apparently he had some girlfriend in Montreal"

Don't all closet cases?

Jenkins said they had an intimate relationship over a number of years.

"I found him extraordinarily handsome . . . I didn't have any delusions about my ever wanting to marry him but I certainly enjoyed my relationship with him," she said.

Is the Montreal girlfriend going to be in the new season of The Crown? I hope they got an actual French Canadian actress to play her. And not just Jessica Pare, cause she’s available and well known.

No Rose, r255.

The Palace is suddenly leaking that the Netflix show makes Charles unhappy because drumming up the "Charles is displeased with Netflix" narrative creates added Palace leverage over Netflix-employed Harry and Meghan.

What the hell jobs do Megan and Harry have at Netflix? Repacking and sending out DVDs?

The King Charles coins are coming!

The new Prince and Princess Of Wales are in Wales today.

Cute photo.

Yes, Harry and the wife are doing light title cataloguing and mailroom processing to pay back their Netflix advance. Ahhh, those were the days, when Harry had a decent reputation, and promised royal property access and solid adjacency to the power center. But it's all over noe, baby blue.

Does Netflix provide good childcare options while they’re at work?

The wife has them strapped on her beefy back, like in the rice paddies. When it's time for Harry's shift, he calls in the nannies.

So this means the microphone didn't work during the walkabout?

Basically, they got such a cushy deal with Netflix because they no doubt told Netflix the royal family would be absolutely delighted to take part in Harry and Meghan's reality show. That was before they went on Oprah to trash the royals. Dumb.

It's interesting going how Charles' image has changed since becoming king. There really does seem to be something psychologically mystical about the crown. Even seeing the cypher, the family doing engagements on his behalf, people waiting for him to lay down the hammer, it all gives a sense of majesty, lime we're seeing a new person as King Charles and the old Prince of Wales is gone.

Charles has trained all his life to be this way. He knows about ceremony, tradition, decorum, etc. and that a lot of the work will be done for him. People will infuse his image with importance. It won't last. Why? Because it's Charles. He needs to learn Less is more. He talks too much and he will benefit from less exposure. There is such a thing as too much and Charles will definitely give it to us if they let him. I hate to say this, but I almost feel sorry for Camilla. Because handling Charles is a full time job, and now he's king it will be MUCH worse.

King Charles shouldn't give Archie and Lilibet any titles. Archie will be Duke of Sussex when Harry kicks the bucket. First Sweden and now Denmark are the latest countries to strip titles/statuses away from grandchildren.

I don't see the justification for giving Harry's kids anything. Both of them are US citizens, they are US residents and Harry has made it plain they're staying here. We don't have titles so it's ridiculous for Harry to try to make a 'career' for his family as American pseudo-royalty.

If it's so important for their kids to have titles, they should move back to the UK.

[quote]I almost feel sorry for Camilla. Because handling Charles is a full time job

I'll cope somehow.

Both Charles and Camilla are fabulous and will be a wonderful King & Queen.

I hope they figuratively behead the Duke and Duchess of Over-Seas. The Harkles are the only blemish on The King's reign.

King Charles sends a message to the people of Atlantic Canada after Fiona swept by.

R282, he could rebuild all that was damaged with his lunch money.

R283 Or just one of the 550 Leonardo da Vinci drawings he now owns.

You know now that you mention it R284, "The Crown" holds so many masterworks by artists, a collection of almost incalcuable value, And yet rarely does the average person ever have a chance to see those works. Do the ever get loaned to public galleries, or do they simply exist to adorn the many palaces and estates? Now there's something Charles could do.

Is the money out yet? How’s his profile?

R285, establishing a gallery of the Crown's artwork in Buckingham Palace is something Charles wants to do. In fact, I think it was even mentioned in this thread (or maybe it was one of the many similar ones here).

Yes it's out:

Christ, that’s awful, no wonder their currency tanked!

That may be a joke. It's the moment when he was pissed about the pen. LOL!

Of course it's a joke, a good one.

Thanks!

Items from the Royal Collection are constantly being loaned to exhibitions around the world. Things like the Da Vinci drawing could never be on permanent display for conservation reasons.

When I was in London years ago, I saw artwork and other items at the Queen's Gallery at Buckingham Palace. I also saw the Royal Mews with coaches and cars. I believe most of the art collection is held in trust for the nation as is Buckingham Palace and Windsor Palace. If the Royal Family were exiled, I don't think they could take much of these processions with them.

When I was in London years ago, I saw artwork and other items at the Queen's Gallery at Buckingham Palace. I also saw the Royal Mews with coaches and cars. I believe most of the art collection is held in trust for the nation as is Buckingham Palace and Windsor Palace. If the Royal Family were exiled, I don't think they could take much of these processions with them.

I saw some Da Vinci drawings at Buckingham Palace in the Queen's Gallery about ten years ago. Personally I don't think the Palace exploits this enough. Loaning art treasures to exhibits world wide is nice, but why don't they also host exhibits perhaps in cooperation with many of the institutions right there in the UK. They could break out a certain selection of paintings on a particular theme and host them in cooperation and coordination with the Birtish Museum for example. It would be a wonderful way of integrating themselves into the lives of the people of the UK with hardly any demands on their time.

From my memory, I recall that the Royal Arts collections are only open to public viewing one month a year in August, while they are away at Balmoral. Has that changed since the 20 or so years I learned it?

Interesting that Queen Margrethe has just removed the titles of her grandchildren who aren't in the direct line of succession. Margarethe was always very close to Elizabeth and probably Charles too. Very interesting.

It was said that Elizabeth and Margrethe were close. Have to wonder if there was discussion before her death about this, or even with Charles. Elizabeth saying "They're not my children so I shouldn't have to do it, but here's the strategy you should follow when you become King. Queen Margrethe says she will establish a precedence you can refer to if need be."

There is obviously a cover up going on here, they can't admit what she really died of. Hardly surprising coming from the BRF. Just like it is widely believed that Prince Philip is the one that ordered the hit on Diana, but of course, it was all covered up.

^Good. Anything to keep you stewing in your juices.

R300 - I don't know about "widely believed". Diana's car was (1) being chased by paparazzi; (1) the driver was drunk and speeding into a tunnel and (3) she wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Only nutjobs would believe Philip had any hand in Diana's death.

I actually read somewhere, years back when "Diana fever" continued to hold us in her thrall, that Charles order the hit, and it happened at the hospital. They claimed she was alive when she was taken f rom the car, she was talking and moving, and then she goes into surgery and dies. Som people are crazy. I do not believe any foul play was involved in Diana's death. She had an unreliable drunk driving her car, and she was chased by the paparrazzi who went after her like a pack of jackals. As Peter Jennings once said, We often try to infuse a significant event with some sinister conspiracy theories because of the enormous impact it has on us.

and then of course, there is reality ....

Prince Philip dressed as a French hooker spiked Henri Paul's drink and was himself/herself the driver of the mysterious white Fiat Uno.

The original plan involved Prince Charles luring Diana to Balmoral with suggestions of reconciliation where Philip would "accidentally" shoot her while hunting, mistaking her for the Loch Ness monster.

New photo of the new King, Queen Consort and the Prince & Princess Of Wales.

Even Charles and Camilla show more affection that William and Kate.

Who's the dude in the painting behind them? Looks like maybe George II or III?

Really a nice picture.

It is so depressing seeing that hideous creature. I hope she does us all a favor and croaks soon. Before the coronation would be lovely.

I am here for Queen Camilla!

By now I think I hope Charles and Camilla will be aware of how quickly the tabloid press can turn on them and get realy ugly. Bad press can feed into public opinion and BOOM, good bye monarchy. Tread carefully .

R307 - really? Ok if you say so.

King Charles really doesn’t have much of a ring to it. I think he really missed an opportunity to redefine himself and set this new period apart from the past. King Charles is someone we’ve known form before, just even more pompous. Ring out of the gate he blew it. He could have been someone, a new king for a new day, not a has been at 75 or however old he is.

I'm kinda amazed he hasn't self-destructed yet. He's doing much better than I thought.

Team Cam, for her DV and health work. Stay pressed and depressed R310

Well, as far as I'm concerned Charles has made his first real mistake as King. He has turned down his invitation to the international Climate Change conference he attended last year where he spoke so eloquently. Everyone knows he is an environmentalist. This is NOT a political issue where you take sides. It is real. He knows it is real. It's not a matter of him being too busy. He decided it wasn't a good look. And he is wrong. His new timidity is a bad look. He should stay true to himself. This is not the time to distance himself from this. It's an existential issue. He used his postition to promote environmental issues. It is a very bad move for him to act as if this is a political expedient. If he thinks it is more approriate for the government to take the lead he is wrong. He is who he is. His concerns on this issue are not a matter of opinion.

QE & Prince Phillip did a bad job on raising Charles and Andrew. There's more coming out about Andrew's bad personality & staff complaints. When Diana went to QE for help w/Charles, QE said: "He's impossible." I know a couple of women who are really into their dogs and both are kind of cold people (other than to their dogs). I think QE could not connect with her children on an emotional level.

Every parent inevitably 'fails' when put under the microscope. EVERY. PARENT.

The real failure however is the young adult that, despite having every resource and support, refuses to take responsibility for his life.

Charles is fine and will have a successful reign regardless of how the media will spin it for readership numbers.

I thought it was Liz Truss who ordered Charles not to go to the climate change summit. Not his own decision.

R320, Truss is not his boss. She can suggest or request but the final decision is his, and how dare anyone get in his face about an issue he has dedicated his entire life to. I don't believe this story. Now if Charles and the Prime Minister discussed it and as a matter of strategy he wanted to allow her a chance to shine and allow the government to carry this, fine. But I don't think so. Charles has a shitload of PR advisors.

Die a slow and very painful death r316!!

Which one ultimately holds power over the other?

The King holds power over the Prime Minister?

Or the Prime Minister holds power over the King?

Unfortunately, the monarchy can’t be voted out of office, but the Prime Minister doesn’t need to worry about the guillotine.

Yuck!

A Monarch can go out and say and do some things that run at cross purposes to the government. Sometimes it is just an irritant and at other times it is dangerous. For example: There were Extremists in the UK who supported Nazi Germany among the nobility mostly. Sir Oswald Mosley who held a baronet I believe, was the leader of the British Union of Fascists who openly supported Hitler. And King Edward the VIII was engaged in activities supportive of Hitler, and of normalizing fascism, which ran at odds with what the government and Parliament were doing. Another time, it is said that members of the RF, including possibly the Queen, did not support Harold Wilson's views and especially did not support the national health services at first. But fortunately they kept their mouths shut and didn't interfere. Now as regards Charles and the Environment, I think he should continue his life's work of leading by example. This is not a political issue.

Charles was supposedly advised by PM Truss to NOT attend the climate summit.

However, he could appear by video like his mother the late Queen did AND/OR send his son William there in his place . There are other options open.

I think Charles has a soft spot for Louis.

Well, the name Louis would have special meaning for him, Mountbatten and all.

Louis is adorable and babies are always the favourite when they are babies. It's not like Grandpa Charles was on diaper duty. What's not to love??

That narcissist guy over on Youtube has said all along that Charles, too, is a narcissist.

So, he (Youtuber) is waiting for (his words) "some narc on narc action".

What can we expect?

Kate visiting a hospital today.

William visits a football centre.

Yesterday, William spoke at the United For Wildlife Global Summit.

Will & Kate are in Northern Ireland today.

Kate looked good today.

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She wasn't heckled. The Catholic woman just spoke to her rudely and Kate just smiled back.

How is Harry writing a book? It's not like he reads them ffs.

One must be prepared for anything when milling about with the peasant class, and the Irish woman looked like a drowned rat.

[quote]"Our natural world is one of our greatest assets."

?????

It's our only asset, dude.

Right. Art, literature and science are pffftttt. Dude.

Will & Kate are interviewed for World Mental Health Day.

Because they’re so mental?

I have to hand it to her, Kate is very relaxed and animated now. I remember when she first married WIlliam, she was skeletal and a nervouse wreck at all their appearances. Now she seemsreally chill.

It's the benzos. And media training, etc.

Meghan Markle is a professional crybaby and raging narcissist. I've heard clips of her podcast. It's nothing but "poor me". And no matter who the guest is, she manages to make it all about her. I loathe this woman. And it has absolutely nothing to do with her race. She's very attractive, but profoundly disturbed.

La Markle is the distaff version of Donald Trump.

Whenever I hear Kate speak I'm always surprised for a moment her accent is not as high-class as the Windsors' are (although I shouldn't be because her origins are so middle class). I wonder if it irritated some of Will's family members.

Kate is doing very well, I do wish she’d stop waving her hands around though, it’s clear she’s been trained but she’s overdoing it.

Major Johnny in a kilt alert!

Camilla is at Ascot today.

R352 I didn’t know she was still racing, I thought she retired from the track. I guess she just really likes the horseshoe of roses they place around her neck if she wins.

Oh look. It's Fergie's birthday and the attention whore has to be photographed with the late Queen's corgis.

The corgis look like they realize how far they've fallen.

Fergie walked the dogs frequently with Queen Elizabeth, and it was agreed that she would take care of the dogs after the Queen's passing. That photo makes me happy. Would you have preferred to have the dogs put down after the Queen's passing?

[quote] Would you have preferred to have the dogs put down after the Queen's passing?

Not the dogs, dear. You, perhaps.

The BRF received about a thousand Paddington Bears after the Queen's death. They've been collected, cleaned and will be donated to Bernardos children's services.

Was the Queen secretly from Peru?

Is everyone clear about this?

They aren't moving until they're damn well ready.

Why not just keep Buckingham as the “office” and just go there just for work? It’s got to help create a tenable work/life balance.

Yes, I agree with R362, and they live very close by so it shouldn't be a problem. I know that Sophie and Edward and the Princess Royale have apartments at Buckingham Palace for times when they're in town, but so what. The place is huge. They ought to use it for offices, state occasions and allow certain parts of it to be open to the public much longer than it currently is. Problem is, a lot of people servants, would lose their jobs. I mean there's a fucking servant to pour the tea and another to butter the toast. Gets kind of ridiculous.

Charles wants to work from home?

R364 No, but he doesn’t want to live at work, which is what Buckingham Palace would be.

[quote] Fergie walked the dogs frequently with Queen Elizabeth, and it was agreed that she would take care of the dogs after the Queen's passing. That photo makes me happy. Would you have preferred to have the dogs put down after the Queen's passing?

Don;t ask if you don't really want to know the answer to that question.

Charles should do us all a favor and not even have a coronation, nobody wants him as King anyway, much less a common whore as Queen consort.

Does anyone need a pick-me-up for Monday? Well, here's a Major Johnny pic to help you get started.

For fellow British history lovers...

King Charles III is reportedly interested in letting the bones found under the staircase in the Tower of London to be tested. The bones were found 17 July 1674 and were assumed to believed to be those of the deposed King Edward V and Richard of Shrewsbury, the only sons of King Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville. Four years of their discovery, King Charles II had the bones buried in Westminster Abbey, where they remain.

The late Queen Elizabeth II never granted the approval needed for testing.

I've always been curious to know what happened to the young "Princes In The Tower". I hope the new King will allow DNA testing. Perhaps we'll finally know what happened to them.

Just found out that one of the first official appearance of Queen Consort Camila will be presenting the Booker Award to the winner at tonight’s, Monday Oct. 17, ceremony.

[quote]The late Queen Elizabeth II never granted the approval needed for testing.

I know where the bodies are buried.

Wow r370, such riveting news, just what everyone here on DL wanted to know.

Oooh I'm super excited about the bones.

KC was the royal who pushed for the dig at Buckingham Palace by the Time Team crew.

Is that Major Johnny in a suit?

What a life... with Major Johnny at your side every day. I'm envious.

I do want to know about the Booker, thx R370. The Queen Consort is a great reader.

William seems to have a natural way with children like his mother.

Kate looked good in camel yesterday.

William announces the finalists for the Earthshot Prize.

Big Willy is so alpha compared to his moaning and whinging brother.

William has turned out to be very much like boring ass Charles. It is Harry that is much more like Diana.

R381 Harry certainly inherited Diana's IQ.

Not so fast, R38. Harry is looking like Charles these days. He also has the propensity to be a whiny SOB that likes to throw others under the bus.

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[quote]Harry certainly inherited Diana's IQ.

Not to mention her emotional instability.

Earl Spencer posted a photo on his instagram yesterday and mentioned how his mother failed him and Diana, Diana would wait on the doorstep for her to come back and she never did.

It seems in rather poor taste to refer to anyone as "Princess of Wales" while there are people alive with a living memory of Princess Diana.

R387 .... MARY!!!!!!!!

[quote]It seems in rather poor taste to refer to anyone as "Princess of Wales" while there are people alive with a living memory of Princess Diana.

You want tasteless? How about Diana being referred to as "Princess of Wales" while there were people alive with a living memory of Her Majesty Queen Mary as Princess of Wales, 1901-1910. Pearls before swine.

Di stopped being the Princess of Wales when she and Charles divorced.

Charles was always going to be King, everyone saw that coming. It defined his entire life.

Pulling off Camilla as Queen was the surprise but that, too, has been predictable for many years now.

It's hard to know where to start with people who are as utterly clueless as r387.

FUCK OFF r389! Queen Mary didn't die tragically in a car crash at 36! She was an an old hag and a bitch when she finally croaked at 86. Nobody shed a tear!

Charles unveils a statue of the late Queen at York Minster.

You can't fake authenticity or empathy.

R395, that little Akeem is adorable. And yeah, Katherine handles it perfectly. I guess if she can handle Louis she can handle any kid.

Details regarding royal attendance at Remembrance ceremonies this week have been released.

I think it's interesting that Camilla snubbed Kate because she wasn't an aristocrat and tried to discourage that romance. Makes me wonder how fond William is of StepMummy.

R398 - I find it highly doubtful that Camilla would snub Kate. Camilla needed all the friends in the family she could get.

I read that Camilla embraced BOTH Catherine and Meg. Meg rejected her, but Catherine became/is close to her.

Horsemilla is the lowest of the low, a complete embarrassment. Hopefully, she doesnt have longevity in her family.

Break dancing

R402 they featured that on The Crown in Season 5.

Johnny Major alert! He's at the back.

No, R404, that's Glouchester, the King's cousin, the son or grandson of his grandfather's brother.

Speaking of John Major, after he left office, he was entrusted with overseeing William and Harry's money from Diana. They are very fortunate young men. Wise investing.

R405 - Major Johnny WAS there. He was at the back in the middle.

Anyway, here are the Royals at the National Service of Remembrance at the Cenotaph today.

Last night, the Royals attended the Royal British Legion Festival of Remembrance at Royal Albert Hall.

R405 - here is Major Johnny!

R405 - Major Johnny standing tall!

R405, are you seriously suggesting that someone confused the Duke of Gloucester for Major Johnny? Major Johnny is in the pic. Why can't you see him?

I apologize PROFUSELY. You are all right, of course and I was wrong. I was confused. You see I was still thinking of former PM, John Major, who of course would be an old man right now, and not Major Johnny. Silly me. I need to go take a dementia pill.

Hoping and praying that Meghan and Harry go for another stroll through a graveyard again! Because, you know, they're important and everything!

Saw Katherine at the wreath-laying ceremony today. I don't know who is dressing her lately, but her black coat was everything!

King Charles is 74 years old today. A new photo has been released.

This is one path to avoid Andrew and Harry being Councellors of State. King Charles wants his siblings Anne and Edward added.

Catherine's hair.

I quite like this photo of King Charles III.

A Labour peer asked the government to approach Charles and suggest he expand the number of Counsellors, r415.

Oh, look! A rotting tree. What a metaphor! R414

R419 that tree's probably as old as the Norman Conquest.

[quote]Major Johnny standing tall!

King Charles III laying his wreath at the Cenotaph this morning for Remembrance Sunday 🌹.....and more Major Johnny.

It would be great if Charles croaked even before the coronation, but sadly the more likely scenario is he will probably be around for another 20 years. But we can all certainly hope that kind of longevity isn't in the cards for Horsemilla!

Camilla was a heavy smoker. She may still smoke. So IMO she won't be around as long as Charles, and if she goes, he will probably just retire.

Big Willy makes a surprise visit.

Harry must be miserable in the States: no decent football teams (the real football kind), no rugby, no cricket. You don't develop an interest later in life in sports you didn't grow up playing and watching.

How can anyone take newspapers seriously when they pull stunts like this.

Somebody tell that guy the only people who read the Mirror ARE stupid.

Kate visits with displaced Ukrainians.

Katherine 's got it goin on! She will continue to be more popular than William. As William ages he seems like a stiff,uncomfortable self conscious insincere, dutiful prig.

Sadly, as William has gotten older, has become much more like Charles, a complete pompous bore!

Paddington Bear tributes to the late Queen.

This little guy needed a hug and Big Willy stepped in to give him one.

William's a mixture of Diana and the Queen which is not surprising as the Queen acted very much as a substitute mother after Diana's death. It's odd that it's Harry who revolts against Charles as he was the favorite and William rebelled against him. In fact, Harry only revolted against his father when Daddy wouldn't give him all the money Meghan wanted. All Harry's whining about Charles comes directly from Meghan a woman who hates all her own relatives.

75 years ago today, this happened.

Saw a brief bit on YouTube about KC not conferring the dukedom of Edinburgh on Prince Edward after all. Would Charles be so mean-spirited as to deny Edward the honor, going against the wishes of his mother?

R435 Edward originally told his mother he didn't want a Dukedom. At the time he was anxious to get a job independent of the Royals.

Buckingham Palace is getting ready for the South African State Visit. First up, the Royal Mews.

The preparations in the Buckingham Palace kitchen for the South African state visit.

Kate looked polished today.

Meghan did the right thing to get the hell outta dodge, she was in so over her head on the regal front; she always looked like she ordered her clothes through Amazon and wore them regardless of their fit.

Kate The Great! She was stunning in a white embroidered gown with cape and the Cambridge Lover's Knot tiara.

Camilla wore a blue gown with the late Queen's sapphire and diamond tiara. Her hair was a little too flat this evening to pull it off. She's also looking quite haggard lately.

Meghan's problem wasn't race, it was class. She's pure white/black trailer trash.

Bingo, r443.

R443, no, Meghan's failings have nothing to do with class or race. They are personal to her. They are a product of her individual choices.

The royal gowns this evening.

R441 She looked screamingly regal (yes, it's me). But I had hoped to see her in a different tiara tonight. Especially after she finally wore the Princess of Wales Feathers brooch today.

I suppose it's a bit too soon and Camilla's got the yea and nay now . . .

[quote]British royalty is an anachronism. It has no power but, for some reason or other, people find comfort in the tradition. Why they would pay millions in taxes to keep that tradition is beyond me

A presidency would cost millions too. Given the circus that past presidents of the US had around them, better the devil you know. At least we didn't have nutters storming Parliament looking for politicos to lynch.

I don't like Kate's dress at all. Too flash for me.

Looks like Sophie got a shot at a new tiara. Camilla must be in sharing mode.

Camilla needs to stop with the sack dresses. I know she's ancient and the boobs are gonna boob at that age but she's still got a decent figure left. Girdle up, babe, it's just a couple of hours.

The Duke of Kent looks like death warmed over.

Kate puts on a good act and fools a lot of the public, but she is definitely a snob and doesn't really give a shit about the "peasants."

Oh, you know the Princess of Wales, do you, R451? Do share more insights - you sound remarkably well-informed!

Diana will ALWAYS be the Princess of Wales to me, not waity Katie!

I hope Camilla is feeling ok and not ill. She seems to have lost a lot of weight and is definitely looking haggard, as someone above mentioned. KC would be lost without her.

Diana stopped being The Princess of Wales in the early 1990's, r453.

R453 has no fucking idea how these things work.

That's because you're not British and therefore none of this is any of your business anyway, r453.

I see our American ignoramus "The British monarchy is a powerless meaningless anachronism" troll surfaced. He's from the They Obky Cut Ribbons crowd who were off smoking weed in the stairwell during European History 101.

Actually, they're still around because they wield an enormous amount of what is called "soft power".

That show you saw over the last couple of days was done ON THE ORDERS OD THE ELECTED BRITISH GOVERNMENT.

South Africa is Britain's biggest trade partner. The government wants that relationship publicised, acknowledged, and strengthened publicly.

A few men in suits shaking hands outside 10 Downing just doesn't send quite the colourful message rea hing the greatest number of a global audience

But what you saw yesterday. This was done in the interests of Britain's geopolitical and economic alignments. And it WORKS. The guests are thrilled at being a acknowledged this way, both governments get their message out, and the folks back at home are gratified.

This is the monarchy's real job, and only it can do this quite this way.

And that's why the elected government is quite pleased to keep it going. In matters of diplomacy like this, the British monarchy is matchless.

And, by the way, there are eight other hereditary constitutional monarchies in Europe.

I assume you singled out the British monarchy because you're unaware of the ones that exist in Denmark, Sweden, The Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Lichtenstein, and Luxembourg, right?

You'll see Queen Margrethe of Denmark and her heir and his wife doing very much the same thing when important geopolitical and economic messages need to be sent. Also on the orders of the elected Danish government.

No one in Britain's commentariat failed to note the meaning of events of the last two days as they reported on them.

It was clear to everyone how important this visit was, and why the monarchy is the man for the job, except, of course, the Meaningless Anachronism trolls.

^I left out Norway - they have a hereditary constitutional monarchy, too.

"only" (not ok ly) cut ribbons"

and

reaching a global audience

The state dinner.

Kate has worn a gown with a cape before. How can we forget the glamorous gold outfit?

Kate has worn a gown with a cape before. How can we forget the glamorous gold outfit?

R451 Hi Meghan!

Hey, we know all that bling and glamour really burnt your ass, but the thing is, the only evidence of a snob throwing her weight around and putting two fingers up to the peasants. . .is from YOU.

R451 Call or email me, honey. I'll fill in the gaps for you on the real family snob.

R454, LOL!!! Who cares about Charles, the BEST thing that could happen for not only Britain but the world would be for Horsemilla to CROAK as soon as possible!

r462, those are magnificent gowns on a mannequin figure.

R465 Yes, we know, dear, you've never gotten over Diana. But, like Harry, you really owe it to yourself to move on.

Because, as you can see, the world is quite happily tootling along with Queen Camilla in place. It really has rather more on its plate these days . . .

Unless you're claiming that the Death of Queen Camilla would solve climate change, cause Putin to drop suddenly of a massive heart attack, make the Sahel area of Africa bloom again, and stop the glaciers from melting . . .?

R466 The rounded thighs, arms, and bosom showing through that gold gown give the lie to your sneer. Her figure is indeed enviable in some ways, although she could use more length in the leg and less in the torso, but that doesn't mean she looks like a mannequin. It's interesting that no one is willing to accept that in more ways than one, Kate just got lucky - muscle tone, athleticism, etc. You can see her figure through the golden gown. Those are not the thighs of a mannequin.

It was a metaphor. She has a great figure.

I'm the REAL Princess of Wales

R434 Those old photos of Queen Liz always make me wonder what she looked like naked. It appears she had a fine set of tatties. Nice fun bags!

"Ladies-In-Waiting" will now be called "Queen's Companions".

No listing whatsoever for the Sussex reality show, either in all of December or on 8 December.

If you were Netflix and were about to drop something like this in less than two weeks' time, would you not be listing it and promoting it by now?

What gives?!

You've now posted this twice, r473, on separate threads. Give it a rest.

Thanks for the info, r473.

Yes, thank you, R473.

I'm rushing in to obsequiously thank you for the duplicate non-information too R473

R474 My dear, I am simply trying to ensure that everyone on these damned threads is up to date.

One gets paywalled, and then you're stuck going on to another one and finding they've ignored a REALLY IMPORTANT STORY.

Well, in case you haven't noticed, most of us are trying to keep the Sussex pair out of this thread. It's called "King Charles" so Charles, Camilla, Wales news and everyone else, pretty please. The Revenge thread is for H & M and the needless bitchin'.

Horsemilla belongs in the stable and NOT on this thread either!

"Queen's Companions" will now be called "Queen's Queens"

Does Charles get 'Me-In-Waiting' then? Or is it 'Gentlemen -In-Waiting'? Or is it just Major Johnny handling all of Charle's ancillary needs?

R382 Equerry is the term you are looking for.

^*R482 (not R382)

I thought it was Porchey Boy?

So many posters on this thread give me this vibe.

R472 - Question about the "Companions".

One of those listed is "Jane von Westenholz".

Wasn't Violet von Westenholz the person who introduced the gruesome twosome.

Isn't Jane her mother?

Ouch.

Alexander the Great also had Companions...just sayin'

I think Kate looks absolutely Regal in the White cape gown. I love it. The tiara is perfect, everything about the presentation is perfect. She definitely looks like a Queen in waiting. Camilla is not someone I feel hostile towards. She's Charles' wife. She's there. So what, right? However, in these photos she looks bad. First that bright blue dress with the lace sleeves looks cheap. Do they have a David's Bridal Shoppe in London? LOL! And her hair is awful, the tiara and the jewelry is gawdy. Too too much. And jeez, she needs dental work.

R487 - yup.

[quote]However, in these photos she looks bad. First that bright blue dress with the lace sleeves looks cheap. Do they have a David's Bridal Shoppe in London? LOL! And her hair is awful, the tiara and the jewelry is gawdy. Too too much. And jeez, she needs dental work.

She'll never be the great beauty that the last two Queen Consorts were at the same age! They were gorgeous lookers well into their 70s.

R490, fine no one wins a beauty contest. But that wasn't the point of my post. My post is about presentation. I bet Camilla really wanted to "wow" everyone for her first state dinner. I think about the effort and expense that went in to preparing her for this occasion, and I have to shake my head. We have all seen Camilla in outfits, formal outfits that were elegant and flattering. I have. She is not a beauty. But she has done well in the past. It seems to me she has changed stylists or something. I feel like this presentation was tasteless. It makes her look absurd.

Want to add that Sophie must have deliberately dressed down, wearing a shroud like mess, so as not to overshadow the two principals, Kate and Cam.

Camilla looked stunning in the sapphires. Seethe!

LOL! Horsemilla isn't capable "wowing" in anything. Some of you are delusional, she is a hideous monstrosity that nobody gives a shit about!

r492 Sophie has no sense of style. She's is not dressing down, she just doesn't know how to dress, period. Never forget her Miss Hughes outfit she worse to the Queen's funeral. I assume she was going to a Downton Abbey fan meet up afterwards. She and Edward put their daughter in even worse clothes. Forget Balenciaga, someone call Child Services or the fashion police on the Wessexes.

The Queen's Companion thing is quite sensible. Elizabeth II's ladies in waiting had over the decades developed a role supporting the actual monarch and some of them are staying on to do the same sort of thing for Charles in a role now called Ladies of the Household. A queen consort in the 21st century doesn't need a gaggle of posh women on the payroll. She'll have a secretary and a dresser and otherwise the 'Companions' can be drafted in for specific activities.

R494 How many of you "horsemilla" trolls are there? Or, how many accounts to you have? I've blocked you at least five times, yet here you are, spouting your primary school sandbox insults. May one ask how old you actually are?

R487 Yes, Jane is Violet V W's Mum. One wonders if the new QC (ruh oh, now QC will mean two things!) has some interesting tidbits gleaned from her daughter's association with Medea of Montecito that she has passed on to the new QC (ruh oh, now QC means THREE things!).

One wonders if Medea of Montecito is also nervously wondering the same thing?

"I wonder what The Queen is doing tonight.

What merriment is the Queen pursuing tonight?

What occupies her time whilst waiting for the Crown?

She's hearing first rate gossip that puts ME-ME DOWN!

And, oh, the expectation, the sublime anticipation She must feel about the next bit to come . . .

I'll tell you what the Queen is doing tonight:

She's laughing her arse off whilst my arse goes numb . . .!"

Meghan The Duchess of Sussex

The gaggle of posh women weren't paid. They got a small stipend and some expenses. That's why they were usually the wives of rich men.

rown Princess Mary of Denmark and Queen Rania of Jordan are in London at Clarence House and have met with Queen Camilla of the United Kingdom.

Tomorrow, they will attend a reception at Buckingham Palace hosted by Queen Camilla. The reception is held in connection with the UN's 16 Days of Activism campaign, which focuses on combating violence against girls and women.

^ Crown

r500 lovely photo and what an awesome cause to highlight!

Uh, but that Instagram post annoyed. They listed the Queen of Jordan after the Crown Princess of Denmark. The Queen of Jordan was even standing to the left so either way she should have been listed first. I know this may seem minor because it's a random Instagram account, but if they are going to pretend to be royalist accounts at least put people with the rank of monarch first. And it feels as if they just hold European royals to a higher standard.

That page needs to do better.

r500 lovely photo and what an awesome cause to highlight!

Uh, but that Instagram post annoyed. They listed the Queen of Jordan after the Crown Princess of Denmark. The Queen of Jordan was even standing to the left so either way she should have been listed first. I know this may seem minor because it's a random Instagram account, but if they are going to pretend to be royalist accounts at least put people with the rank of monarch first. And it feels as if they just hold European monarchs to a higher standard.

That page needs to do better.

As this is up to 500+ and Revenge Part 14 is close to 600, please note that there IS a REVENGE Part 15 open so we can consolidate this shit with all the stuff that's coming up and others can stop bitching at me for posting the same thing twice on RELATED threads.

Link to Part 15.

We're a not close to 600.

R504 Way too soon to start a new thread, and the kind of move that gets things shut down. You might stop trying to organize threads that have successfully run since 2017. And stop posting "the same thing" in at least three different threads.

And having so many feelings.

Man. I was at Costco this afternoon. They have a lot of Christmas shit out and among their literary choices: Charles III A biography of the King. By that groupie celebrity whore, Christopher Andersen. Cover was a very distinguished Charles, posing.

R500, don't get your panties all in a bunch at the sight of CUNTMILLA next to true royalty.

WTF constitutes being "Royal." in 2022. Seriously. This is so much bullshit. Fine. They are filthy rich, and they can go back a thousand years with the ancestors. THen what. THis is such bullshit. Everything is bullshit.

All such bullshit, R510, and yet here you are, having worked your way through 509 responses - that’s a lot of bullshit to read through, when you think that it’s all such bullshit, don’t you agree?

Why is Camilla standing like a linebacker with her legs spread apart in R500's pic?

Am I correct in my assumption that the Horsemilla Troll is the very same as the Joanne Woodward is a Homewrecker Troll?

It means the monarch is the head of state, r510, which is a constitutional role. Monarchs are a core part of the constitution.

R513 Probably, along with the Markle worshipping Klan Grannie Troll(s). They seem to have multiple accounts here, and a few are probably Russian bots.

It's the infantilism that marks them so easy to ID. Complexity and nuance, especially those that go into the bleak marital landscape that William and Harry were unfortunately born into, escape these trolls, for whom there is only innocent and one guilty party.

Diana's infidelities, shrewish demands on her husband from Day One of the honeymoon, total volte face after the ring was on her finger, stalking of Oliver Hoare, and willingness to get into bed with a rich sleazy playboy whose father was so corrupt that a government not unknown for tolerating rich but unpleasant men refused him citizenship, seem to have no bearing on her saintly character with these people.

Nor does the happy 17 year union between Charles and Camilla seem to have any bearing on what Charles must have endured whilst mismated with the infantile, demanding, shrewish, calculating, conniving Diana. Nor her shitty parenting, turning one boy into her "rock" thus making the other one feel "less than" long before Harry figured out the additional disadvantages of being born second into a hereditary monarchy.

It's all Camilla's fault.

It is interesting to wonder what this all would have looked like if Camilla had been ten years younger than Charles and beautiful, as well.

Most mature men, and especially one in Charles' strange position, figure out that beauty is compelling, but over long-term domestic life doesn't make up for the lack of a mate who doesn't take herself so seriously, is down to earth, a generous bed partner, and who understands that she isn't there on an equal basis to a future king.

You can see that William figured it out. Kate is quite sufficiently attractive to suit but not the ragingly pretty charismatic creature that Diana was. And, like Camilla, takes her position seriously but not herself, and understands who the centre-stage ultimately has to belong to. It is usually people with a stronger sense who have enough to offer support and not feel that she isn't getting enough attention - especially knowing that even in the adjacent position, plenty enough attention will come her way.

It's what Harry and Meghan never grasped. And, in that, Harry is just like his emotionally voracious mother and wife.

R512 Because at her age it is very likely she suffers from arthritis and other aches and pains, especially in her lower back, and it is more comfortable to do so - especially dressed to the nines and having to stand for quite some time with cameras bearing down on her.

It is very interesting that all you faux feminist trolls keep demonising Camilla because, at 75, she doesn't look young and pretty with beautiful posture and smooth skin.

The Queen wasn't standing up straight for quite some time by the time the Reaper finally arrived and freed her from the the truly appalling depredations of old age. I am younger than Camilla, but not by that much, and I saw my parents into old age and then the grave, and I can tell you that once past sixty, it is quite frightening how quickly you begin to lose muscle and other strengths.

Things look different on the shady side of the pasture. Camilla went through a grinding ten days when the Queen died and a public schedule that would have felled an ox. Quite apart from everything else, I can tell you that watching it as an elderly man I wondered how she remained standing at all.

Grow up, will you?

So we've got the Klan Granny trolls, the Horsemilla Trolls, and, apparently, the Diana Makes Me a Swivel Eyed Loon troll.

Such a tapestry!

So two things:Charles was apparently very miffed that Anne and Edward were seen in Public with Andrew last week? How did I miss that? "A Palace Source" says there is absolutely no path back to public life for Andrew. And today it was announced that Fergie will be at Sandringham for Christmas. That Cottage where Phillip stayed is being prepared for Andrew, Fergie, Beatrice and Eugenie so they can participated in Christmas. It's been 30 years since Fergie did Christmas with the fam.

Two Queens (Mathilde of Belgium & Rania of Jordan), a Crown Princess (Mary of Denmark) and a Countess (Sophie of Wessex) join Queen Camilla at Buckingham Palace.

^And on the very day of Meghan's last podcast on female "archetypes". As always, it is clear that the Bzd Timing Fairy had the last word at the christening . .

The podcast is way down the page.

I don't know why Camilla insists on wearing those sack dresses. She's channeling Miss Ellie and it's not a good look. Here is a year and a bit ago wearing something with a waist and she looks great.

She's not doing herself any favors. She really can't help herself.

Camilla is in fact perfect for Charles, they are both ugly as fuck! Diana was way too good for Charles and of course beloved the world over. So much so that Charles was full of resentment and jealousy over it.

R523 all those guys are like that. Only Phillip seemed to project self confidence and understand the assignment, and he was The Queen's husband. But Charles, William, and probably Andrew and Edward all seem like pompous insecure assholes, who do not like to compete for attention with their wives. They were brought up believing that the mere fact they were Princes of the Blood, entitled them to center stage and to deference at all times. When they got overshadowed by their siblings or wives, it rankled . Charles blamed Diana for all the attention she got when, in the beginning it wasn't her fault. And William's resentment of Harry will never abate.

William's resentment of Harry? Are you a moron? Harry's jealous as hell of his brother, his jealousy largely stoked by La Markle, future Real Housewife.

King Charles knighted a gay black man and gave Emma Raducanu an MBE yesterday.

Yes, sitting there on the throne, being crowned, leading the monarchy, I'm sure William's first and only thought will be: I'm so jealous of Harry.

Is it tough being a genius?

R527, Charles was visibly and openly jealous of Diana, and the public's response to her, and he was the Prince of Wales, heir to the throne. So, yeah. Being jealous is a real personal visceral reaction, and there was always a certain amount of rivalry between the boys in spite of the public images of them growing up.

We have it straight from the Ginger's mouth: "Everything is better for William.".

Oh, I see. What Prince Charles experienced is necessarily what William will experience. They are identical men, living identical experiences, at identical times, with identical wives.

They are Schrödinger's Princes of Wales.

Charles should have been happy that the people of the UK liked Diana so much. It was good for the monarchy and he should have cared about that. Charles was 30+ at the time and had had his time in the sun. Why not let Diana have some attention. I can't stand him.

I don't think William is jealous of Kate in that way. I think William sees Kate as an asset to the monarchy.

I like Kate, but she's not perfect. All of these videos of Charles blowing her a kiss, Kate crouching down to talk to a little boy - it's enough, already.

Is he dead yet?

R532 What do you mean, "it's enough already" . . . was it "enough already" when Diana was doing the same thing? Who said Kate was perfect? No one is perfect. But she IS going about her fucking job perfectly and that's all that matters.

Frankly, I'm blown away by her sang-froid as her brother- and sister-in-law try on a weekly basis to pull the rug out from under her husband and her father-in-law.

OF course william isn't jealous of Kate. It's Harry William resents for drawing attention away from him.

R535 he's jealous of his dumb high-school dropout bro?

Who'd want the attention Harry gets? A bunch of angry discard latest headlines and about two dozen no hopers on Twitter.

R532, why would William be jealous of Kate in that way? She is as bland and boring as he is, she is certainly no Diana.! NOBODY is!

[quote] R532], why would William be jealous of Kate in that way? She is as bland and boring as he is, she is certainly no Diana.! NOBODY is!‘

Not R532. Kate and Wills seem to be their own personalities. They are definitely not Diana; because she was a Drama Lama that sought out a shifty playboy that facilitated her own death.

Hopefully the current Prince & Princess of Wales will not regale us with Dramas of Their Predecessors. They appear much more grounded than Charles and Diana.

Diana was an international phenomenon, beloved the world over. NO member of the BRF can ever hope to attain a centilla of her popularity. She was one of a kind, we will never see the likes of her again!

No member of the BRF wants Diana's international popularity, r540. That isn't their job.

Ok, perhaps Meghan wants Diana's international popularity, but she's only a tangential member of the BRF and will go down in history like her American "royal" predecessor, Wallis Simpson.

No way is Markle on the level of Wallis. If anything, she’s a Walmart Wallis.

Wallis wouldn't have been seen dead in the shit Meghan's stepped out in.

If there is one thing Wallis understood, it was tailoring.

R541, I would beg to differ, Charles definitely resented Diana's popularity. When they were out at public events, all over the world shaking hands, the public wanted to be on the side that got to shake hands with Diana, not Charles. He seethed over this!

R545 I don't think anyone ever doubted that.

It is a trap that William and Kate avoided. There is no question who the centre-stage destiny boy is, and yet she manages to look lovely, beautifully dressed, sympathetic . . . but not a star. William had the sense to get exactly the right balance in his wife of appeal but not stardom. It's no mean feat.

r544, Wallace was never a mother.

At the Diplomatic dinner last night, Catherine sparkled and Camilla really tried hard and gave it her best.

Good lord, R548. Personally IMO Catherine is quiet elegance not gaudy sparkling overpowering stuff. Her Dress was too sparkling for the tiara. As for Camilla, I can only believe that Charles bullies her into wearing all that jewelry to "look like a queen." Clearly all his taste is in his mouth. Camilla has had a lot more misses than hits since ER2 died. She needs to go back to the way she dressed before she became Queen Consort. She knows what works. Don't let anyone tell her what she is now "supposed to" wear. Neither Catherine nor Camilla need all these reminders that they have now been elevated.

New photo of Catherine. She is to host a Christmas carol service at Westminster Abbey.

Members of the Royal family will attend the service, which will pay tribute to the late Queen.

At R548, Camilla still looks like a Florida grandma. The tiara, earrings, and necklace were all too much. Is the pin / brooch a photo of QE?

Kate looked good. I liked that she backcombed (teased) the hair at the crown of her head.

R550 why can’t they be classier with the photoshop? She looks like a wax doll.

Beautiful photo of Kate.

As always, the Harkles will do their bit to deflect attention from the memorial Christmas service, dropping the second part of their Netflix reality show that day.

I agree R552. No animation. Just a cloyingly sweet smile, all stiff and posed. I like Catherine, and when you see her out meeting people she is very animated, but this picture is a big nothing. And yes you can be lively and project joy even standing still.

The real photo is here, on the Wales' own Instagram account. The version at r550 is from a fan account, who over-filtered it.

Team Wales

Kate is actually the biggest phony in the royal family, has every fooled thinking she is just nice and lively when the ugly truth is actually the opposite. At least with William, everybody knows he is a pompous ass, just like Charles.

Ok Meghan @ R557.

Why is Meghan so jealous of Kate? Is it because Kate is the Leading Lady and Meghan was only Supporting or is it because she's got William? I wonder.

It's because she's an asshole.

Meghan didn't get it. I think she aided and abetted her Harry's already feelings of insecurity. I think there was always a sibling rivalry, even though both brothers knew William would be King and Harry wouldn't, Harry had a need to stand out and contrast himself with William. As a teenager he did it by being the bad boy, the cut up. But once he went to the military, he seemed to develop a sense of purpose all his own, and he excelled. Meghan, the American was "trying to be helpful" she wanted to support Harry and it translated to the two couples seeming competitive. She seemed to think being assertive and pushy would let those Brits know she would not be ignored, she was as good as they were.And so was HArry.

R557 Hi, Meghan!

You wouldn't know what Kate is like. That's the point of being royal: you keep your private self home and you do your public job well

Where people like YOU can't see it.

You clueless imbecile: you're unconscious of the fact that what you're really doing is affirming how well Kate is doing her job.

And she isn't the one spreading slime on other people and bleeding staff.

I want to know if Charles is bullying Camilla into changing her look. Because she looks like total shit. All those gaudy baubles. Yes I know. They're all precious expensiver, rare jewels from the Queen, but my gawd she looks awful. And her wardrobe choices are terrible too. I think Charles is picking shit out and insisting she "Dress like the Queen Consort and wear all that jewelry." All he has to do to look dignified is get a decent hair cut and a well tailored suit. But Camilla, poor dear, looks like she's been beaten with a stick.

At Westminster Hall, The King has unveiled a plaque to mark the place of the Lying-in-State of Queen Elizabeth II.

The installation of the plaque continues a royal tradition that stretches back to King Edward VII in 1910.

His Majesty also unveiled two unique bronze sculpted lamps featuring heraldic beasts of the UK - a gift from Parliamentarians to The late Queen on the occasion of Her Majesty’s Platinum Jubilee.

The Wales family Christmas card. The children are growing up quickly.

George is going to be huge.

After three children, Cate still has a driveway.

The Sandringham walk to Christmas service by members of the Royal Family.

Louis was there as well as Andrew.

Prince George's drawing is quite good.

Photos of the Royals today.

Eugenie looks pregnant again.

Even though he was behaving himself, Louis still looked mischievous.

I love Kate's jaunty hat. She's worn her green coat in the past.

Great to see Louis, spare us the ghastly site of the Cuntwhore.

louis is a ugly and bad-natured kid!

Meghan is right at dont allow that Louis boy to be near Archie

The only grandson that Diana would have a relationship will be Archie in all likelihood!

R574, R575, R576 = Meghan, pissed off that she ended up with unmerchable potato-headed spawn

R576, Archie lives in the US, Diana would hardly ever see him.

Diana wouldn't have given a fuck about the potato-headed kids. She would very likely have been appaled at Lilibet's name and would've told Harry to get a fucking life.

She would've spoilt rotten William's kids though, perhaps even up to the point of William feeling the urge to interfere.

Big Willy letting his hair down. Those were the days.

Diana wanted her son to be king. She would have been right there with William and his kids.

Diana would find a shame as the 3 children of William looks like James Middleton...

Yes, Archie will be the favorite

Diana will be disappointed at the looks of William' 3 children ...

She probably would have no contact with William's children... their upbringing must be awful and it shows

Bored again, Meghan @ R582 & R583?

R582 Right, the Pa Markle looking one would most definitely be the favorite.

I know we have a ton of trolls on these threads, but in all honestly I think there are actually some who have no real idea about Diana. Just because Diana was divorced from Charles and had an almost childlike resentment of some members of the Royal family doesn't mean she rejected them as HArry has done. Diana was a member of the aristocracy. She was born into it. She had bloodlines. She trashed the RF and pulled the trigger on exposing Charles, but there was no way she would've ever prevented her son from being King. In point of fact if she could have she'd have thrown Charles in the trash and skipped him for William. She loved HArry, but she always regarded him as a scamp and always looked at him as the Spare. His role and his future was prescribed. He and William both. And she would have never jeopardized any possibility of William's ascendance, nor her grandson George.

First of all, if Diana were still alive Meghan wouldn't have got through the door and Kate would have been tormented though finally accepted. And what Diana wanted to be most of all was the mother to a king so Harry would have got short shrift.

Exactly, R587. If Harry had been determined to get with Meghan he would have been estranged from Diana just as he now is from Charles.

Diana would have been the Mother-in-Law from hell.

You know the tabloids hype the shit out of the Harry/Meghan thing, but it's really a lot of bullshit. Because IMo it's not so different from the son of a wealthy successful family deciding he did not want to go into the family business, he wanted to strike out on his own. Happens all the time. And there are millions of families where the in laws don't like the spouse he's chosen. The whole thing will eventually die out because fine, Harry wrote a book, He and Meghan did the documentary and interview with Oprah, and he will do a few interviews for his book. Then what? There is nothing new. Nothing. All the "reveals" will be revealed. He can spend the rest of his life being Prince Grievance or he can do something purposeful. But I think most people are just bored with it all.

r590 most families don't stab each other in the back via the staff. The Windsors playing fast and loose with their PR folks and the press is what caused this drama between the brothers. They are acting like it's Dallas or Dynasty instead of acting like a damn family. William and Harry should have gotten together, hashed out their issues, and stopped using the press to bash their respective families.

But, in the end everything is working out for the best. Harry built a family of his own in CA. While in a gorgeous sun kissed California mansion. Harry and Meghan have other Netflix docs coming out. William is fulfilling his duties as PoW along side Kate.

The drama will end after the book and coronation. It's a shame it came to this but the writing was on the wall well before Meghan joined the family. I honest to God wish both boys and their wives the best. There are much worse asshole in the world than the Windsors.

True r590, I've stated the same here myself several times. If H&M want to up sticks and leave the family firm, and strike out on their own, they should be encouraged to do it.

The issue is they still want to benefit as if they still work for the firm: still want to be paid, get paid security, and merch off the titles given to them by the head of the firm. The big bosses said no go, so they threw all their toys out of the pram and headed off into Grievance-ville. If they made their own way, in peace, under their own name/s, they would have so much more respect.