Let's hear it for JK Rowling!

Why is NPR so clickbaity? The character as written by Rowling is not transphobic.

Be less of a tryhard next time, OP.

It's only a matter of time before somebody tries to kill her

R2 um ok then, miss love and sunshine!

Is Rowling our anti-trans troll? She seems obsessed with this particular topic.

Transgender politics are ascendant and directly oppositional to gay rights so expect to see more of it R5.

Don't expect politeness to cover your ass here.

Go dilate R5

I think she is a bit annoying but also not evil. Just slightly silly.

r6 which is true enough, save, the many that pit themselves at the forefront of the debate tend to depise homosexual males or frequently supports those that do. They only seem to accept gay men if they submit to all their other theories, including that engative opinion on them. It doesn't seem that far off from the issues and conflicts with TRAs.

So, why should gay men align with them when they regularly associate with those that actively campaign against them?

r3 she should be used to it by now... there's still types that target her for allegedly recruiting children into satanism. Several clerics called upon others to do the deed as they usually do (tho, interesting enough several muslim majority nations just shrugged their shoulders to do it) as well as american and european religious nutters.

She isn't obsessed with trans ppl. People keep asking her about it and writing about it. People won't let her move on. Whenever ppl interview her, trans crap is always part of the questioning. Reporters love having something negative they can get away with reporting on about her. Twitter aside, tabloids keep this a hot topic. It serves them well, and they don't care if she's murdered. They don't care what will happen, all Hell breaking loose, if she is made a martyr for free speech, authors, women, and LGB.

OT I wonder how Salman Rushdie is doing. That poor man. He didn't deserve that. No writer deserves that.

If she is physically attacked, it's us who will get the heat for it. We're automatically lumped together with TQAIs. Her old fans will want to blame someone beyond the attacker. It'll be us. We need to work harder at making it LGB alone. Disassociate with the Trass.

I think she's dead on fucking right and I commend her for speaking the truth despite the backlash she has received. It's takes courage for a public person to speak out against this kind of insanity. Most people just want to be liked so they regurgitate this nonsense and bah bah bah like good sheep. I wish more celebrities used their platform to speak out against some of the woke bullshit that is plaguing our culture.

That sort of celebrity worship really has to stop at some point. Look at these losers like her, Trump, or Elon Musk turning fans into cultists with a bad temper and potential violent tendencies.

Rowling helps to perpetuate the stupid bullshit that a minority (with fewer than 1% of the human population) is a threat to "our" society and now crying victimhood for being canceled. And just because she had to pull the superior vs. inferior bullshit (real women are superior, and those trannies are totally fake, inferior "women"). Rowling's and Musk's ego and stubbornness could power the world's electricity grid for eons.

Friends, protect JK Rowling. Our allies will turn against us if anything criminal happens to her. Fair or not, it will. Keep her safe.

She is being threatened. She IS a victim. Already. Whether you like it or not. She's already a martyr for those she represents. It's just that things can get so much worse if threats become reality.

DL hated the living fuck out of her till she started the anti-trans shit.

R14 she's never made that comment so that's in your head. However, I 100% believe real men and women are far superior to these mentally ill frankentrannies. Who the fuck doesn't? Other mentally ill people or dumbasses indoctrinated by the woke plague. Fuck trannies and their constant crimes of victimization who are offended by one of the most basic fucking words that has served to define half the population forever. Women were born women and no fucked up tranny jargon should even try to erase that. Same goes for men. Women aren't men even if they have some frankencock hanging between their legs.

The frau is a useful tool for DL's bigotry.

{quote] she's never made that comment so that's in your head.

Uh, yeah. It all started with her commenting on Twitter that trans women are not real women (= inferior) and it should be ok to point that out.

[quote] I 100% believe real men and women are far superior to these mentally ill frankentrannies.

And that is why you are being dismissed as an anti-trans troll.

R15 WTF?

Sums up the anti trans trolling, or any right wing trolling, pretty much

Everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. LMAO Anyone who isn't as extreme as you must be a secret right-wing nut.

Pathetic. Obvious way of dismissing critics. Weak.

[quote]So, why should gay men align with them when they regularly associate with those that actively campaign against them?

You owe Lesbians who did essentially the work during the AIDS crisis.

r24 How so?

next do we owe lesbians because of Storme threw the first stone at Stonewall

or oh yes, the silly nancy boys didn't know how to organize until lesbians showed them the way

oh, from the dawn of time when lesbians taught gay men the proper way to be homosexuals, they showed them the in and outs of gay sex but then they became mgtow and abandoned the goddess, being forever damned as the misogynist sinners they are.

[quote] Men’s liberationists always bring up ‘confronting their own feelings about men’ by which they mean homosexuality. Male homosexuality is an extension of the reactionary club (meaning both group and weapon). The growth of gay liberation carries contempt for women to the ultimate: total segregation. The desire of men to ‘explore their homosexuality’ really means encouraging the possibility of homosexuality as a reaction against feminist demands. This is the reason the movement for “gay rights” received much more support only after women’s liberation became a mass movement

Shall we read up on what they beleive?

Shall we examine how it compares with the religious reich and conservative politics?

Shall we examine the broader politics of the individuals and organisations?

Is the enemy of my enemy actually my friend?

J.K. Rowling, patroness saint of DL’s Stormfront transphobes, perpetual thin-skinned billionaire victim writes book about her obsessive hatred of transgender people, because she feels threatened by a tiny fraction of humans who will most definitely rape her in some public bathroom that she doesn’t frequent.

Mentally ill woman with too much money who could be related to Donald Trump. But good enough for all the DL posters who are equally bigoted and stupidly afraid of transgender people they will never meet.

It's boring now. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't know a single trans person in my personal life. I've seen a few in passing, but that's it. And yes, I appreciate that's anecdotal, but I can't be the only person in the world with that experience.

The idea that there are now millions of trans who all hate biological women and want to take over isn't evidenced in anything I've seen. The reason it gets so much press is due to high profile celebrities like JK Rowling who are -- let's be frank -- obsessed with the topic. Not content with being a billionaire author, she seems to want to be the next Emmeline Pankhurst as well.

Twitter's got a lot to answer for.

to everything there is a season...

a period of craziness and exploitation that follows

as people explore new found liberation...

we see it repeated throughout history

even modern history

the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other

with few periods of rest between.

though, in the social media age, the periods of rest are shorter than ever before.... everyone has access to the bully pulpit

R24 you people still insisting on this? Those working and tending to HIV patients were by and large gay men. Lesbians were just a footnote in the history of HIV activism. Just Google some pictures of ACTUP protests.

Nurses were a large force in HIV/AIDS care. A vast majority of nurses are female, particularly in the 1980s.

[quote]DL hated the living fuck out of her till she started the anti-trans shit.

DL probably still does, as a whole, and the Rowling lovers are mostly the recent additions to DL who came here because they heard it was "gay 4chan" and are taking advantage of the lack of moderation. That said, I've noticed a few of our elderloungers starting to join in with the anti-trans brigade, much like how old people on Facebook are easily swayed by memes and astroturfing. You'll see someone who posts normally mild, moderate stuff all of a sudden jump into a thread and say "transtapo drag queen pedos want to rape all our lesbian sisters with their diseased girldicks!" as if that's a normal sentence that normal people say.

R36 Except that female nurse doesn't equal lesbian. In fact, there are far more gay nurses than lesbian nurses.

The article is indeed clickbait. They referto Critics, implying these are actual reviews, but when you click you go to twitter comments.

It was the same with her last book. She was accused of transphobia as there was a psych killer who sometimes used women’s clothes to attach his victims. Just in order to appear less threatening…

However, length of these books is becoming ridiculous.

r38 it'll be at least another hour before they come to pile on... so, let's just move to the next choice but every gay man was birthed from a woman and every woman can be a lesbian. So many women were harmed by the patriarchy and haven't been enlightened, once they are shown the one true path, they all will become political lesbians! So, ipso de facto. All you booty boys owe lesbians!

R38, since you don't know how to read:

[quote]Those working and tending to HIV patients were by and large gay men.

Here you go, love. Go sell your revisionist bullshit to someone more gullible. Thanks.

I'm afraid that what's happening here is that there are trolls and/or radfems who keep repeating that gays "owe lesbians" for their work during the AIDS crisis are causing others to assume that the claim is false.

That's understandable, since the people making the claim sound like entitled, homophobic assholes, and so much of the other things they post on these threads are hateful tropes or lies.

However, lesbians did help extensively during the AIDS crisis. That is historical fact.

The problem is that the assholes we have on DL these days are using that historical fact as a cudgel to try to emotionally blackmail gays into supporting their hateful agenda.

Well, the poll result should have answered the question.

And rightly so.

I should add at r42 that I very much suspect that a lot of the people who say "we helped you through AIDS, so now you owe us" are not actually lesbians, but are the straight people who make up most of this movement against trans people.

It doesn't seem likely that many of the 50-something and older lesbians who actually were on the front lines of the AIDS crisis would now go around saying the kinds of things I see here on these threads. The majority of the transphobic/anti-trans commenters on here are wildly hyperbolic and fixated on genitalia and revenge.

Divide & Conquer

Gays vs. Trans

Gays vs. Lesbians

Correction, r44: straight people make up most of the trans rights movement.

JK Rowling hasn’t said a single transphobic thing. She has just refused to concede that women’s needs and rights must be compromised for trans women. That’s it.

The fact that she gets pilloried for this shows how hysterical and ridiculous trans ideology has become.

The fact that she goes after an inflated enemy shows how hysterical and ridiculous her soap box and her supporters have become.

I just don't like how no one appears to have an original thought about it. It's just hatred for her.

[quote]straight people make up most of the trans rights movement

You should check the membership statistics for your beloved LGB Alliance. The real membership stats reported during the recent court case, not the later "corrected" ones provided by LGB Alliance, once they realized that it looked bad to only have 7% of their members be lesbian.

While you can never be sure, thanks to trolls, the vast majority of people on Twitter who complain about trans are straight women.

If there were more lesbians than straight women who hated trans, you'd see more than one dozen lesbians protesting trans at Pride events. However, since it's mostly straight women, the lesbian anti-trans presence at Pride and other events is always small. The straights are hiding behind the small cadre of radfem lesbians and trans-hating lesbians who do all the in-person protesting work.

[quote] The fact that she gets pilloried for this shows how hysterical and ridiculous trans ideology has become.

Says the anti-trans troll who insists that basically a handful of trans are the biggest threat humanity faces these days.

r42 lesbians did but there is a revisionists brand of history that overshadows it... much like people's annoyance at those (largely, the insecure battles between trans and lesbians) fighting it out for credit of Stonewall - which, in and of itself, gets too much credit as the pinnacle of lgbt movements to where now we have a dearth of public information on movements before. . . even the govt over emphasizes it above all others. (although, ironically enough, we find similar disputes and actions of the predominately str8 world are also minimized, the socialist workers myth all but forgotten, as many would be split between radical fringes that would go on to commit acts of terror and those moving towards the mainstream. Yet homophiles are minimized and treated as "Uncle Toms" so much so, even the govt contains little information on them while the focus on a solitary day as if we all suddenly poofed magically into existence.)

People are realizing it's not just Rowling's politics that are lacking but also her talent as a writer.

Bitch could not get a signed first editions of the Harry Potter book series auctioned off for a good cause.

Where are your loyal Terfs and super rich right wing bigot friends, J.K.?

[quote] Despite being mask-off transphobic for the past two years (somehow, almost impressively, getting progressively worse) and praising people who are self-aware enough to call themselves fascists, J.K. Rowling’s legacy for the wider public has remained relatively untouched. However, a recent incident with some first-edition Harry Potter books up for auction feels like an indicator that her fall from grace is having far-reaching effects.

Thank you for this thread, OP. It will keep all the trans-rights/anti-gay/anti-women loons busy for a bit and give the rest of DL a break from their egos.

I don't read children's books so she doesn't interest me as a writer. There are odd choices in that poll, OP. I don't agree with her on her anti-trans campaign. I don't think Uzis or drive-by's have taken place nor should they.

She's not in any more danger than she was as a world famous children's book author. I'm sure her castle in Scotland is very well protected and she's had personal security details with her 24/7 for many years. Long before she started on this crazy anti-Trans thing, the "she encourages sorcery and witchcraft in the yutes!" batshit loons were after her. She seems to have handled them and any security issues with them just fine.

R54 are you really trying to morally superior shame her while calling her a bitch like some redneck who calls all women bitches?

No, R54, I was simply commenting on the poll and on the current publicity about JK Rowling. She's fine, she sends her love!

It’s rather quaint to see the trans loons think that it’s all “radfems” that have serious concerns about minors taking drugs that have serious side effects, bio men competing in winners skiers and men being placed in womens prisons.

You would think the “this never happens” brigade would find a new catchphrase since it has “already happened “

Could it really be that if only hateful, horrible, haters like JK could love the different people then there would be more peace in the world and all would flourish?

[quote]I think she is a bit annoying but also not evil. Just slightly silly.

Well said; she'd have been better off to enjoy her riches, stay off social media & spend all her free time gardening, collecting art or whatever it is wildly rich people do. I think there is some validity in what she says, but at this point it's all been blown so out of proportion, she'd be better off to just give it a rest

[quote] People are realizing it's not just Rowling's politics that are lacking but also her talent as a writer.

And it took half a billion books sold for them to just now realize that? C'mon pony soldier

Gay men should support women because it's the right thing to do. There's nothing more to it than that.

[quote] Gay men should support women because it's the right thing to do.

Right on, fag!

r63

[quote] I remember a number of such episodes in the early days of the Gay Liberation Front, in the fall of 1969. Women we had never seen before would come in and deliver tirades against the GLF men; they would say that not only were gay men more sexist or more male chauvinist than straight men, but men in GLF were among the worst of all. These charges were unfair and untrue, for GLF had always been in solidarity with women's liberation, and women had played leading roles in GLF from the beginning — but such charges had a certain demoralizing effect. Some of the men felt that rather than acting against our oppressors — for example, picketing the Village Voice — or publishing the first gay liberation paper, Come Out! — instead we should turn our attention inward to confront the enemy which was: Ourselves!

[quote] At the first gay conference at Rutgers in 1970, the major panel on the last day was disrupted by a group of women who demanded that all proceedings come to a halt. They charged that the panel was “elitist” and “sexist” (although half of the panelists were women); their main ostensible grievance was that on a table in the hall, provided for leaflets and free literature, were copies of Gay newspaper, in which they had found a reproduction of a beautiful, lush, reclining female nude, painted in the style of classic romanticism. This, they charged, was designed to titillate men, and was degrading to women. Overlooked was the fact that the picture illustrated an article written by a lesbian, and that it was unlikely the editors of Gay had intended to convert their male readers to heterosexuality.

[quote] The conference organizers were cruelly attacked, apparently for the sin of not having policed and censored the free literature table. It was a senseless, abusive, and thuggish disruption; the main organizer of the conference was reduced to tears, and the women as well as the men on the panel were moved to call the disrupters “fascists”, an epithet that was not unjustified. For the most specious of reasons, a beautiful and mellow gay conference — one of the very first — had been turned into a nightmare.

[quote] One could go on and on. I imagine most of the people in this room have witnessed or read accounts of similar disruptions. There was the first international gay liberation conference in Edinburgh, where women discovered evidence of “sexism” and demanded that the conference change its focus from legislative reform to “confronting sexism”. Laws, they argued, only affected men, and therefore it was sexist to concentrate upon things like repealing sodomy statutes. A majority of the men went along with this demand, and that was the end of an internationally coordinated campaign to change the laws. It's amazing it should be considered trivial that after two millennia, homosexual men are still criminals.

[quote] A certain pattern emerges. The people in power do not like movements for social change.

[quote] When such movements are in their infancy, they will try to destroy or divert them.

[quote] When movements have grown large and viable, then they will try to render them innocuous through co-optation.

At the risk of getting yelled at, JK seems like a woman who is being supportive of biological women. I can't be mad at her for that.

The LGBT Community fights against any kind of conservative oppression related to sexual and gender identity.

[quote] The LGBT community (also known as the LGBTQ+ community, GLBT community, gay community, or queer community) is a loosely defined grouping of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and other queer individuals united by a common culture and social movements. These communities generally celebrate pride, diversity, individuality, and sexuality. [bold] LGBT activists and sociologists see LGBT community-building as a counterweight to heterosexism, homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, sexualism, and conformist pressures that exist in the larger society.[/bold]

[quote] At the risk of getting yelled at, JK seems like a woman who is being supportive of biological women. I can't be mad at her for that.

The issue at hand is, depending on where you live, conservatives take away women's abortion rights away from them, but she keeps obsessing about trans. At the least, she's misguided if she thinks Trans pose a bigger threat to women than conservatives.

r66 you can look up the many, many, many, many fapping topic threads of JK to know that the angry and dismissive worshippers of JK greatly outnumber the rest and brigade all naysayers as if they were farming kiwi fruits. So, even if you're yelled at dozens more will pop up to cosign for you

[quote] Throughout its history, the sexual reform movement has had to wage a fierce battle against censorship. So it is especially disturbing to see demands for censorship advanced by a sector of the movement.

[quote] The situation is serious. The new censorship, advanced under the banner of feminism, poses a threat to the gay liberation movement, the women's liberation movement itself, and all other progressive movements. I am convinced that the feminist movement is being used as a cat's-paw for taking away our civil liberties. The immediate target for ostensibly feminist censorship seems to be pornography — but pornography is a stalking horse, behind which is political repression. And repression is very much on the horizon in the United States.

[quote] The Nixon Supreme Court has steadily whittled away civil liberties; the death penalty has been restored, and may soon claim its first victim for almost a decade; the Senate bill, S-1, which would virtually repeal the Bill of Rights, is waiting in the wings; new waves of censorship have swept across the country; and everywhere the Ministry of Propaganda is creating an atmosphere of violence and fear, which would justify imposing emergency Law & Order measures. Things like this always occur in a period of severe political and economic crisis, when the custodians of the system perceive it may be in jeopardy.

[quote] Now, it would be unfair to blame the women's movement as a whole for the censorship problem. Only a relatively small number of “feminists” have been proponents and practitioners of censorship, and it would be naive to assume that all of these women were motivated by an honest commitment to feminism, especially in light of recent disclosures of such secret police programs as the FBI's “Cointelpro”.

Let me state for the record, I am not anti-trans, R68. I don't know JK Rowling, but my guess is people like her see both groups as an equal threat. I have a good friend who falls into this camp. She says, and I'm paraphrasing, one group wants to take away rights, while the other wants to take away their identity. And she finds it interesting that a similar debate doesn't seem to be happening with biological men and trans men.

So, I'm going to stay with my original point and add that I think it's wrong to attack a biological woman for supporting biological women.

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

r71 biological men are at a disadvantage when it comes to biological females, trans or otherwise... one can put that into perspective that women have been invading men's spaces for decades. It's viewed as a social norm and opposition to such is viewed as misogyny. . . We need only to view what has happened to men's Colleges over the years - save for religious - they have all been forced to become co-ed. Even the title of "gay" includes lesbians. Gay male spaces have had lesbians invade, straight women, and, yes, transmen...

But as it goes, it doesn't impact women, so most choose to remain ignorant of this history at best or at worst, champion it; after all, we owe it to women, so we are frequently told. . . as do many hear that any place that excludes women is a danger to women. Which is why there is such hostility against gay men in radical feminist circles that view the very essence of our sexuality as a threat to "feminism" because it excludes women. Funny enough, it often comes from lesbian separatists, at that.

[quote] “We must recognize our enemies wherever we find them. Nobody’s ideas and nobody’s actions should be exempted from criticism.”

[quote] So, I'm going to stay with my original point and add that I think it's wrong to attack a biological woman for supporting biological women.

To be hyperbole: That is like saying it is wrong to attack racists for supporting other racists.

Declarations of support indicates that only one side is right (or superior) and the other side is wrong (or inferior). Of course, the other side is going to be pissed at the implication that they are wrong (or inferior).

That is how the backlash began originally.

She's always smirking. I suppose if I had a billion+ dollars off of some children's books I'd be smirking too. Still, she should have her lips re-done or have it fixed in some other way by her plastic surgeons. Lord knows she's not opposed to having work done.

As for "Let's hear it for JK Rowling!" no, thank you. Let's not and say we did.

Is JK vs The Trans the new Woody vs Mia, in that we must have a new thread about it every week?

This has become the anti-Trans Datalounge.

in this one she claims

[quote] any institutions I used to admire have uncritically embraced this dogma, but I reserve my ire for them rather than shouting 'coward' at individual women.

but funny enough, she has attacked other women for not supporting anti-trans authors, accused them of cosigning the death threats against her by not doing so while some of her favs threatened and even tried to remove said women from their positions and stop their publications, and some even targeted some of their children with allegations of being trans even when they were not and trying to incite hatred from their ranks against them.

but JK or not, we all know this kind of hypocrisy is common. . .

now I have many friends of widely differing opinions but I don't think I've made mates with anyone on the sole reason we both hate something. IT seems JK is insulating herself with people that hates the same things she does... there's so many controversial figures in the mix,

and as a public figure, there's not much as to what we could compare to my little world... I've neither the reach nor influence, and especially not as a famed author of children books.

Also find it dreadfully entertaining her little game of transference when it comes to threats and those demographics she won't dare call out vs those she frequently does.

Frankly, though, it doesn't seem she's all that threatened by said threas, as she routinely uses them as both weapon and shield as she pulls them out and charges any that disagree with inciting and supporting them. . . whether they actually do or not.

to not agree with JK on anything is now a crime that supports terror, harassment and harm twoards her. To not like her book is the same. To criticize her works or her action is the same. To not 100% agree with her opinions is the same. It seems a wee bit delusional to assume everyone is out to kill her and that everyone is trans or has trans kids or some connection to trans and trying to personally destroy her or hate all of womenhood.

but that's just her opinion, I suppose. . . but to me, she's turning into that monster can conspiracist lady..

R78 do you support giving life altering drugs to minors? Do you think biological men who have gone through male puberty should be allowed to compete with biological women? Do you think transwomen should be housed with biological women in prisons? Do you think women are entitled to sex segregated spaces? Do you think intact males who proclaim they are trans should be allowed to use womens spa and gym facilities?

[quote] Says the anti-trans troll who insists that basically a handful of trans are the biggest threat humanity faces these days

Lol I have never and would never say such a thing. But the fact that you read a mild-mannered and reasonable comment about JK as some kind of genocide says a lot.

People who think that their greatest political enemies are "TERFs" or children's authors have lost touch with reality. If you waste one second of your life getting angry about the fact that a woman or girl doesn't want to shower next to a person with a penis, you are living in a delusion. If your greatest political fight is forcing female inmates to share their prison cell with a trans woman, then you are not a serious person.

TRANNIES!

[quote] If you waste one second of your life getting angry about the fact that a woman or girl doesn't want to shower next to a person with a penis, you are living in a delusion. If your greatest political fight is forcing female inmates to share their prison cell with a trans woman, then you are not a serious person.

...

[quote] but funny enough, she has attacked other women for not supporting anti-trans authors, accused them of cosigning the death threats against her by not doing so while some of her favs threatened and even tried to remove said women from their positions and stop their publications, and some even targeted some of their children with allegations of being trans even when they were not and trying to incite hatred from their ranks against them.

She blocked Steven King on her social media for sharing his opposing opinion.

[quote] In response, Rowling sent a now-deleted tweet praising the best-selling author. “I’ve always revered @StephenKing, but today my love reached—maybe not Annie Wilkes levels—but new heights,” she reportedly tweeted, according to Us Weekly. “It’s so much easier for men to ignore women’s concerns, or to belittle them, but I won’t ever forget the men who stood up when they didn’t need to. Thank you, Stephen.”

[quote] However, when a fan asked King to respond to Rowling’s transphobic statements, the author replied that, “Trans women are women.”

[quote] According to Hogwarts fans on Twitter as well as to Us Weekly, Rowling deleted her tweet about King shortly after.

[quote] Almost one year later, King spoke about what went down, adding that Rowling also blocked the famous author on Twitter after his tweet. “Jo canceled me,” the 73-year-old told The Daily Beast in an interview published on May 20, 2021. “She sorta blocked me and all that.

[quote] “Here’s the thing: She is welcome to her opinion,” King added, specifically referencing Rowling’s statements on transgender women. “I just felt that her belief was, in my opinion, wrong. We have differing opinions, but that’s life.”

Go Tom!

Who's Tom?

I hate to break it you all, but even your beloved Daily Mail is turning on you. Even they think Rowling has gone off the deep end.

[Quote] JK Rowling ignited a fresh trans war of words on Twitter last night with singer Billy Bragg, as she claimed 'bearded men' are defining what a woman is and suggested he is 'throwing [his] support behind rape and death threats'.

[Quote] The row erupted after Graham Norton was interviewed at the Cheltenham Literature Festival this week – and strongly criticised cancel culture.

[Quote] Bragg, 64, retweeted a video of the interview and said Norton was 'really good' on cancel culture 'and JK Rowling'.

[Quote] The author, 57, saw the tweet and attacked the singer, saying she was 'enjoying the recent spate of bearded men stepping confidently onto their soapboxes to define what a woman is and throw their support behind rape and death threats'.

[Quote] But Bragg did not define what a woman was at any point in his initial tweet, and simply supported Norton's suggestion that people discuss trans issues with the parents of trans children or doctors and psychologists instead of referring to celebrity viewpoints.

[Quote] [bold] After Ms Rowling seemed to suggest both Norton and Bragg were 'misogynists' she received a widespread backlash from social media users for the claim, for which she provided no evidence. [/bold]

So, you know, the tide is turning against you. Take note.

Rowling shot back at a Twitter user who criticized her Thursday .

“How do you sleep at night knowing you’ve lost a whole audience from buying your books?” the person tweeted at the author.

“I read my most recent royalty cheques and find the pain goes away pretty quickly,” she said in a sizzling comeback.

JKR's attack on Bragg was typical troll talk: immediately accuse them of sympathizing with rapists and murderers, for no reason other than you disagree with something they said.

In this case, what was said was incredibly mild. All they suggested was bringing on actual trans people and experts to news shows, instead of people like JKR or Linehan. Surely there's room for both sides in the debate and not just one, right? The very idea made JKR so angry that she lashed out like a petulant child, and now people are starting to see her for what she really is.

R87 Doesn't bother me in the least. They're not exactly a paragon on moral authority.

But they are good about fanning the flames of outrage. Was the same yellow journalism rag that patronized women for trying to get the vote and coined the term suffragette?

Fuck fitting a heteronormative identity narrative. Love the body you're in. Wish people would find love for their natural selves instead of surgeries.

If these surgeries hadn't existed we would see more feminine men and masculine women and that to me is totally fine. If people hadn't hated gays I don't think it would be so necessary to change ones body. As for the people who do get the surgery, fine, whatever. Live your best life but don't force everyone else to participate and crucify them if they find your language changing odd.

I don't think there's anything wrong with masculine women and feminine men. I think we need more of them to break the gender stereotypes and it seems to me we're stepping backwards in not evolving what it means to be a person. A person has rights and dignity no matter their chromosomes are if they look male or female.

R87 Rowling has the majority support on this issue but go on and GO DILATE!

R87 Yeah I saw that Twitter exchange and thought it was bizarre, especially as JK usually expresses her viewpoints calmly and eloquently. However, her swipes at Billy Bragg and Graham Norton weren't based on anything either of them actually said. It was clear she was pissed off by them both, but she was struggling to coherently articulate why, hence reached for comments like "bearded men" and "misogynists".

Someone even asked what was wrong with beards and she said something like "nothing, unless they're attached to misogynists". So why single out beards? It has no relevance to the argument. Strange indeed.

Then when asked how she can sleep at night, I'd expected her to say something like: "I can easily sleep at night because I use my platform to give a voice for women and to stand up for women's rights" (or words to that effect, she's the author not me). But her reply essentially said "I'm rich ner ner".

There's definitely a shift in her tone. She seems rattled rather than calm and confident in her views.

The "bearded men" comment is a bit inside baseball. Gender critical women have noted for awhile that a majority of the men on Twitter telling women to shut up about this issue have beards.

r87 She looks absolutely miserable - sad, gaunt. I can't imagine wasting my life with this issue if I had as much money as she has. And of course she can only argue in hyperbolics and nonsequiturs. It's what you do when you turn right.

I would be rattled too if it felt like everyone on Twitter lost their mind and acted like I was the devil incarnate because I felt the world was getting Twilight Zone-ish.

Not a woman unless you got 2 XXs but sure if you pass you pass for looking and acting like a woman.

If all the Presidents of the world alive decided they wanted to become women, no, a woman President still would not have been elected.

R94, she;s not sad. Why should she be? She won. Dave Chappelle sided with her. The media tried to demonize him for that but failed. Once the media realized the public was on Dave and JK's side they backed off of them.

She expressed concern about the erasure of women in language, advertising and health care information, etc., and the trans community responded with verbal abuse and threats of violence. That's because violently misogynistic men pretending to be women are still violently misogynistic men.

Trans "women" aren't real women, R20. They're men. Biological fact whether online mentals like it or not.

Autogynephilia is a fetish. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

Trans women are men. Trans men are women.

Cope. Seethe. Dilate. And all hail QUEEN Rowling. Long may she trigger online mentals.

R97 Yep, death threats are completely unacceptable, as as threats of any kind for that matter. I would join in without anyone denouncing that kind of behaviour as completely despicable and legal action should be taken against those who makes such threats. But that's not what we're talking about here. Billy Bragg and Graham Norton have clearly not issued any such threats, yet Rowling was recently acting as though they had, presumably because she was angry they disagree with her, but couldn't express her anger by sticking to the facts.

R99 You sound like you're the one who needs to cope. You're getting increasingly 'triggered' and keep repeating yourself. I'm a man, was born a man and have no desire to change that. Not everyone who disagrees with JK is trans. Sorry to make your argument even harder to convey.

I mostly agree with Rowling about trans issues but it seems like she’s become addicted to the argument. Why did she need to respond to the idiot with a snippy remark about her royalty statements? Why respond at all?

R101 I think she's got a bit addicted to the adoration from her legions of fans.

Even though I don't agree with most of her views, I have to admit that she often replies with some good one liners. I think she was aiming for another "sick burn" with the cheque comment, but it fell very wide of the mark.

[Quote]she;s not sad. Why should she be? She won. Dave Chappelle sided with her

That's the funniest definition of victory I have ever seen. In any case, howling at the moon on twitter about trans issues and calling everyone rapists and murderers for disagreewing with you is not what happiness or victory looks like to me. I don't think most of the public is on her side, especially women, who polling shows are more supportive of trans claims than not. You're just a right-winger, and right-wingers love fantasizing about having a silent majority on their side when in fact they just have a braying mob of extremely shouty lunatics and Nazis. But even if it were true that she's won, she clearly doesn't feel like it. She's unhappy and she's lashing out. It's hilarious even the Daily Mail think she sounds nuts nowadays. Britain has the most right-wing media ecosystem in tge western world. Of course the tabloids would at first side with her. But even they can tell she's descending on a dark path, mentally.

R101/R102, she speaks out on it a lot because she was early target of the men-who-present-as-women movement.

R103 you left out the most important part. After Chappelle sided with Rowling, the mainstream media eventually backed off of them. It also led to other institutions re-evaluating the issue. Look at Netflix. They went from bowing and scraping to their woke and transgender employees to getting rid of some of them and telling the rest that if they didn't like working there they could find a job elsewhere.

That was a major cultural win and marked the beginning of the ongoing shift away from wokeism and transgenderism.

What views of hers do you not agree with R102?

𝐅𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐰𝐨𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐜𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐧 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐞 𝐌𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐲 𝐊𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚 𝐭𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐭 𝐛𝐲 𝐉𝐊 𝐑𝐨𝐰𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠.

The Inside Out and Morning Show actress, 43, was blasted by hundreds over her approval of a reply Harry Potter author Rowling sent to another angry tweeter.

The original tweet asked Rowling: 'How do you sleep at night knowing you've lost a whole audience from buying your books?'

'I read my most recent royalty cheques and find the pain goes away pretty quickly,' she responded.'

And now Kaling has found herself embroiled in an online firestorm for liking the Edinburgh-based author's pithy answer.

A shocked commenter tweeted: 'What!!?! ? Mindy Kaling - as the parent of a trans child and a non-binary child - and as an admirer or yours - I hope I'm misreading this.'

Woke author Saira Rao was among those infuriated by Kaling's online activity.

She raged: 'I think it's safe to assume Mindy Kaling knew exactly what she was doing when she liked JK Rowling's tweet.'

Meanwhile, non-binary Canadian campaigner Amanda Jette Knox scolded: 'Um, Mindy Kaling? JKR has repeatedly and unapologetically spread blatant transphobia to the masses. Do you like all the money she continues to make in spite of it?'

𝐾𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑒 '𝑢𝑛𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒𝑑' 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑤𝑒𝑒𝑡, 𝑎𝑙𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ 𝑠ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑠𝑛'𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑔𝑎.

Amid the backlash, there were some who supported Kaling.

'Mindy Kaling. Liked a tweet. Of a joke. That JK Rowling made. About royalty checks. These responses are completely utterly deranged but so perfectly sum up their "activism." They might as well carry actual torches and pitchforks,' one person wrote.

The way they go you think she would have skinned babies alive.

What polls are they, R103, because I don't know any women who support the trans cult, the irreparable mutilation of children or the redefinition of womanhood forced on them by violently misogynistic white autogynephiles who think womanhood is a costume they can appropriate..

R46 - this is true. There is a tweeter called Aidan Comorford - a straight, married “cis” man who has convinced me that the reason that such men are trans activists is that this is a PC way to hate women.

Straight people make up most of the "LGB Alliance", even their founders have said as much in court.

R111 is not down with OPP but AGP and uses is PPC

R111 Yeah, I wish they'd just rebrand the LGB Alliance. Maybe to something like "The Anti Trans Alliance". They can be anti trans for all I care, I just wish they were upfront about it.

They don't give a flying fuck about any other issues that impact lesbian, gay or bisexual people.

I can't wait for the day people are tired of discussing this. I am over hearing about this shit.

r114 I don't think that's ever going to happen. We have many closet Republicans on Datalounge. and they have figured out that this is a good subject with which to build bridges with the wider community and get it to resent liberals.

You say this shit, R114 & R115, because you think this is only being done to women and lesbians. It's going to start impacting men, especially gay men, very soon once all the laws are in place. And you won't find much support from the "fish" and "terf cunts" when that day arrives..

r116 Indeed, it is starting to happen to gay men. The anti-trans movement has turned into anti-drag this year, and, since most all drag queens are gay men, it is quickly morphing into anti-gay. All over the South and the Midwest, we see a renewed push to rebrand gay men as groomers and criminalize the books we write and the bars we visit. And all this started with an anti-trans push. YOU think the anti-trans movement will only remain anti-trans. I, despite being no great fan of the trans movement, can clearly see the opposite is true - that the anti-trans movement has already taken an anti-gay form. My vision is clearer because, unlike you, I don't hate trans people more than I love myself. As such, I can see it's in my interest to throw a wrench in the works of in the right-wing hate machine as soon as possible. You, apparently, don't see any of that - you think the right-wing hate machine is now your friend, that it can grind on and on and it will never pose a threat to you. But this is assuming you're actually a gay man. We know Dataloungers sometimes lie about this kind of thing. Maybe you're just a man-hating radical lesbian and, as such, you enjoy seeing gay men being harassed without fearing for yourself as groomer is the kind of insult that is disproportionately aimed at men. Or maybe you're just a full-fledged homophobic heterosexual trying to pull our strings to lead us to our precipice.

LGB Alliance has already said months ago that it doesn't care that people oppose same-sex marriage, that doing so is not homophobic. It's clear that LGB Alliance cares about only one thing - to rally as big enough a coalition as possible to destroy trans people's civil rights, without worrying about the risks for LGB people themselves. We're just there to serve as a progressive shield for a reactionary agenda. r114 is right -- it would be much more honest of them to just call themselves the Anti Trans Alliance. And the same I say to you -- stop pretending you care about gay men. We're already being hit in the shootout, and you're showing you don't care enough about gay men to be even aware of this fact.

R116 Same as usual then.

R117 is the trans loon that has zero argument other than “you’re a Republican “ when asked why people don’t think a biological male belongs in womens sports, shouldn’t be housed in womens prisons, have issues with giving children life altering drugs that are irreversible, and share concerns about men who have an obvious sexual fetish, harassing women who don’t want to date them or undress in front of them.

So the reason why trans MTF are put with women is because the men are too aggressive and will beat them up right? So put them with the docile women, right? They'll be safe?

Ladies, you know what you have to do. Be like the men! No one wants to admit it but violent men are powerful and that's why they rule.

We need a little of the wee ultra violence.

Datalounge is not the place for deep nuanced conversation. I tried my best to offer a lengthy explanation as to why the anti-trans wave represents a threat to gay men and, in fact, is already morphing into anti-gay collective hysteria, only for an arrogant pederast at r119 to pretend that my only argument is accusing people of being Republicans, ignoring everything that I actually said. But yes, this kind of single-minded focus on antagonizing trans people and refusal to deal with the reality that anti-gay hate is bursting at the seams on the right, does hint that trolls like r119 are indeed right-wing creeps. There's no explanation why they refuse to engage with the reality of anti-gay hate in their movement, other than they're support it.

Graham Norton is now being called a pedophile by JK Rowling's allies. But sure, there's no anti-trans to anti-gay pipeline. Only an anti-Republican troll would say so, in the words of r119.

These threads are always good to show proof of how fucking insane the transtapo loons actually are. They also show the misogynistic crossover between the transtapo loon contingent and the MRA crazies/incels. Hm, wonder why those two groups are so intertwined? Such a mystery, that is.

Here are the two questions I ask that always make the transtapo loons flee:

1. What is the definition of 'woman'?

2. Why is transgender any different than transracial, transage, or transspecies?

They can't answer them. They will never answer them.

And, a special note to the gay MRA idiots on here...it's hilarious that you imagine that lesbians are obsessed with you. Hate to tell you but we really don't think about you at all. It's one of the great things about being a lesbian. We are literally the only group in the world not obsessed with men. Straight men are obsessed with comparing themselves to each other. Straight women are obsessed with attracting men. And gay men are obsessed with all things male, gay or straight. It's very freeing.

Trans obsession thread #884

R121, you seem quite simple. Are you really unable to understand that two groups can be opposed to another group for divergent reasons? For example, evangelicals don't like Islam because it's not Christianity. Gays don't like Islam because of its treatment of gay people. Does that mean that gays and evangelicals are now inseparable groups in your mind? That gays and evangelicals now are exactly the same? Like I said, you are a simpleton.

Now, please answer the two questions at R123. (But, of course, you won't.)

Drag is steeped in misogyny and appropriation, R117. I could not care less if people have grown tired of gay men dressing up as misognistic caricatures of womanhood. Direct your anger at the drag queens that insisted on children being brought to their shows.

I didn't bother reading the rest of your post. 👍

Women who refuse the redefinition of womanhood forced onto them by white leftist men and autogynephiles who call women terf cunts and threaten them with violence is "hating on trans people?" You're a fucking moron R117.

White heterosexual men pretending to be women are destroying womens' rights and gay & lesbian rights.

R123 Lol if gay men are obsessed with men, then lesbians are obsessed with women.

I have to laugh at r123. Read any book by a lesbian feminist, scroll down through a radical feminist's timeline on Twitter and Tumblr. Everything they say goes back to men somehow. They do seem to wish they were men, just like they seem to wish women were more violent and less prone to victimation, in other words, less weak and pathetic, which is what they secretly feel about women.

But to r123 specifically: if you care so little about gay men, why are you here, squatting on our spaces and angrily spamming our threads to change our minds on a subject that doesn't pertain to us? That's an odd form of indifference, there.

There’s r129’s/trans loons other way to gaslight “this doesn’t effect gay men” “why is this being discussed on a gay website”

Tell us the nuance of a biological man competing with women. Or the nuances of gender stereotypes where little boys and girls who have interests that doesn’t fit the gender binary are now told they are transgender. Tell us about the nuance of refusing to discuss the life altering effects of cross sexual hormones and blockers.

R128, I honestly don't even know what your point is. Uh, yes, lesbians are obsessed with women like gay men are obsessed with men. Isn't that kind of the definition of being a lesbian or gay man?

R129, loser MRA incel that you are, why don't you go ahead and answer the two questions I asked? And, in case you didn't notice, this thread is about a woman being attacked for defending women. The more pertinent question you should be asking yourself is why are YOU commenting on this thread when you aren't even addressing the topic of the thread?

R131 Well, I think it's silly to say gay men (and straight women) are obsessed with men. We find them sexually attractive, but that doesn't equate to obsession.

There are so many other things going on in people's lives.

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r129 (it's interesting looking at her old videos and posts. for over a decade, she has been harassed and doxxed by political lesbians. who claimed she was trans, a man, intersex, predator then doxxed her and found out she was female, then plagued her telling she should transition because she dared to call them out.)

r129 Radical feminists are a lot like conservatives. The barking, the pack mentality, the emotional rhetoric and the inability to hold a level-headed discussion.

When I started posting on Datalounge in 2015, I used to be on their side; I hated what trans activists were doing with Stonewall, erasing gay men and pretending the rioters were all "trans women of color". I think one of the first threads about autogynephilia on Datalounge was opened by me. As time went on and the Stonewall issue waned, the trans subject began to bore me; it started to grate me how often I had to be hearing about trans athletes on Datalounge and how anti-male the posters in these threads were.

This is a gay forum, yet the feeling I had whenever I logged on Datalounge was that gay male existence must be reduced to atoning for the sins of my sex and indulging lesbian and female grievances for things that had nothing to do with me or even with the people vociferating in these places. So I adopted more of a neutral stance between trans activists and radical feminists -- both sides disgusted me.

Nowadays, however, I see less gay-male-bashing among trans activists and more among radical feminists. There was a time where trans activists were going really hard after gay men who did drag and saying they're being transphobic, yet I never encounter this phenomenon anymore. It's radical feminists who are coming after gay male drag performers, and in so doing they're on a full-fledged alliance with right-wingers who are calling them groomers and pedophiles. Neutrality is impossible in these circumstances. And I see many trans activists adding their voices against the anti-drag/gay harassers. I was serious when I said above I was no fan of the trans movement; but right now, these people are my allies.

I tried to explain above how dangerous the current anti-trans momentum is even to LGB people, as it is turning into anti-drag and from there it's just a stone's throw from becoming anti-gay. In fact, it already is. Anyone can see how the radical feminists here reacted -- they refused to acknowledge the argument at all, they just built a caricature of the things I said and then lobbed their arguments at it. It's not a surprise they're allying themselves with conservatives, as they have in the past, too -- they share many traits, the overemotionality, the dishonesty, the self-righteousness and puritanism... I'm not surprised the woman in your video had to deal with so much uncompromising nastiness; radical feminists just can't be reasoned with. They're a cult.

Billy Bragg has criticised Rowling for years. Now he drops her in the shit when there is an issue she hasn’t even commented on.

Many former-co-workers of Rowling have said they they have written to her regarding the post she wrote about Trans issues, like Jack Thorne.

I would be shocked if Bragg hadn’t privately communicated his disdain as well.

R137 Stop drop and roll because you're on fire.

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R140/R141/R142 - We have all seen those links a million times now and I'd be very surprised if anyone has ever engaged with them: posting links to full books or hour-long talks does nothing to further the discussion.

R139's post makes for a much more thought-provoking contribution. I'm commonly called "transphobic" but I can see that there's a lot of merit in what that poster is saying.