How to link with Downlow and Mostly Straight Men

When is Putin going to nuke?

Why? Any hot Russian DL dudes?

Solid advice

“”Hand him your phone”

LMAO…done by no one, anytime.

I did this many, many times over the years.....but you have to have a pretty good radar about where you're trying to fish, so to speak.

I never did it in broad daylight, I can tell you that!

Fascinating.

This guy actually gives good advice, in a very non-creepy way.

Most people who hit on other people are usually bad at it.

But this person is all about striking up a conversation, which I like.

And if they respond, then great. If not, then move on.

Yeah, the hetero pickup culture guys are usually creeps, but he gives solid non-creepy advice.

He gives advice that actually works.

R6 took the word right out of my....fingertip.

"He gives advice that actually works."

I believe Kevin Spacey is filming one of those master class videos on this very subject.

Well, it was "minors" and not "men."

Although for legal reasons they had to change the word "minors" to "males."

Encounter

Maintain a public face

*takes notes furiously*

Good advice

Put DL in your dating profile

Not just Atlanta

Gym

What's the difference between a straight man and a bisexual man?

I like mostly straight dudes

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Gay obsession with straight men

I prefer a more subtle technique.

What is it that makes some people want to chase after downlow cases or crack a straight guy's sexuality? Genuinely asking. I've always liked being wanted on the forefront.

If a guy actually stops and turns around, he obviously has interest

You ADHD idiots learn basic human behavior from lame time and life-wasting Tik Tok videos

So called straight guys on the downlow are closeted, simple as. They'll fuck around because they know gay guys are greedy for cock and ass and less likely to stalk you afterwards.

There is no such thing as a straight guy who will fuck another guy, leave it out OP.

Occasionally, I will do an experiment where I randomly give “wassup, bro, I think you’re hot looks” at hot stranger dudes in public places. I never do it where others can see what’s going on. About a quarter of guys respond with a mutual look back or sly grin or wassup nod. Latin guys are the most responsive, and some have followed me, which freaks me out. I’m not trying to do anything, it’s just a fun experiment

Experiment?

Are you compiling a spreadsheet of ages, races, status etc?

Or are you just a time wasting cruiser?

Naw, it’s just fun to have a hot masculine dude mutually give you eye props

I like his advice.

After I finished working out with a swim the other night at my gym, I headed back into the men's locker room to shower and what all. There was a guy in the hot tub, whom I recognized as the guy who was just swimming in the next lane over from me. He looked a few years older than I (I'm 59). He was cute and on the bearish side. He said hello. I decided to get in the hot tub. I still had my speedo on. As I climbed into the hot tub, he complimented me on the speedo. I thanked him and said it was Irish (it was a green water polo speedo type with a large shamrock on my butt). I was curious. I just started chatting with the guy to figure out whether he was straight or gay. He just moved to the area. Using that as an opening, I asked if his family liked the move. He said his two daughters lived in other states. "And your wife?" I asked. He told me she divorced him after 38 years of marriage. Sorry to hear that I replied. We introduced ourselves, but as it was close to closing time, he got out to shower. He wore the speedo short legging type racer. After I finished showering and getting changed, I bumped into him again on the way out. He had a Yankee tee shirt on. We talked sports for a bit, then went our separate ways.

I kind of hope he is gay, but I really don't know. Most straight guys don't compliment me on my speedo. This guy could be just comfortable in his own skin. I look forward to bumping into him again.

The TikTok guy is right. Just start chatting away about gym stuff or whatever. It's the only way you'll find out if a guy is gay or not. A month or so ago, I took a chance and asked two guys out. One I knew was gay. The other guy, I had no idea. I've talked to them before -- about working out. The guy I knew was gay is partnered. The one whom I suspected is also partnered. When I asked him out, I said -- "Look. I'm taking a risk in assuming you're gay. If you're not, I'm old enough to know that straight guys might punch me for asking them out." He told me he was flattered but he had a partner. I struck out romantically with both, but I have new friends. I took a chance. And I think that's the only way to get anywhere.

Great contribution r30!

"He just moved to the area. Using that as an opening, I asked if his family liked the move."

Subtle as a dump in an elevator.

"Most straight guys don't compliment me on my speedo."

R30 has just left high school or has serious arrested development.

Avoid the word “gay.” It’s the biggest turnoff for these guys. It’s like garlic to vampires. Many will ask you identify as gay, and ghost you if you do. They feel safe amongst guys who don’t identify as gay but occasionally get down with dudes. The less gay culture they see in you, the more comfortable they will be

[quote]Many will ask you identify as gay, and ghost you if you do.

I’ve had the opposite.

R33, not sure if your post is an attempt at a witty rejoinder. If it is, try a more subtle approach. You need practice, but practice may not make perfect for you!

I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same pool of dudes r35

I can assure you R36, it's not wit but criticism I'm levelling at you.

Only on DL is there this rigid notion that gay men who mess around with women situationally can’t be truly gay

Head nods are critical with urban dudes

Beware

[quote]I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same pool of dudes [R35]

Yes, we are. But, you’re projecting your homophobic bullshit.

Masculine guys use sexual jokes as a vehicle to gauge your openness to linking

I don't know. Whether some want to admit it or not, quiet masculinity will always be sexier than flaming queens. Even among out gay men, a lot of men don't want the guy where it's obvious at first blush that he's gay. Downlow men are still men. They have testosterone (and if they work out, a lot of it) and they will want to fuck if they have the opportunity. Just because they would rather be discreet about it doesn't really mean anything. It's especially true with Black and Latin men. Masculinity is already a thing in their communities, so if they're gay or just curious, they're not trying to broadcast it out to the world. At the end of the day, it comes down to what you want. If you're looking for someone to date seriously and have a relationship with, yeah someone who is out and comfortable with their sexual orientation is important. If you're just looking to fuck, which many of us are, then who cares who's downlow or not?

If D-E-F-A-C-T-O is on a thread, it's a shit thread.

Datalounge is filled with anti-gay rhetoric, it doesn’t come from one person^.

One particular "person" does an overly obsessive amount.

Well, R38, I've been around the block a few times, and from that experience I can say that the average American straight guy won't compliment a guy in a speedo or his choice of one. Instead, they're put off by it.

Thanks for the critique!

Not for nothing DLers, but I am gay and out but if a stranger did any of that to me--double take on the streets, then comes up to me and says "don't we know each other?" and makes up some place he thought we both might have worked... my instinct would not be to think he wanted me to fuck him, but rather that he was some sort of scammer who was preying on gay men-- [italic]iespecially[/italic] once he asked for my phone and to trade IGs. —and even more so once he told me he was "new in town."

The skin-on-skin thing is interesting as it involves guys you already know and some beers. Back in college days and shortly thereafter there were plenty of times that happened--the longer than necessary handshake, running your finger on the guy's palm in the handshake, sitting next to each other at the bar and not moving your legs when they touch, pressing a little harder..

I learned two things from that though:

1. It's an easy way to kill a friendship-- the guy would be so completely freaked out by what happened--and the chance it could happen again--that he would avoid you or even turn cold on you.

2. It's a lot of steps from "we've been sitting together with our legs pressed tightly together and my hand on your thigh a whole bunch of times" to "I'm going to go back to your place now and we're going to suck each other off" --lots of opportunities to chicken out along with way, which then leads back to #1 - great way to kill a friendship.

"It's an easy way to kill a friendship"

Don't be friends with straight guys you want to fuck. That's not friendship, it's sleazy opportunism.

"How DLers can get Themselves Murdered When Hitting on a Hair Triggered Homophobe".

From reading some of these comments, it's like most of the guys on here don't have any straight male friends. It sounds like some of you just see all men are there for sucking/fucking. Ironically how many straight men view WOMEN- not you guys, but WOMEN.

Also, Masters and Johnson' 1 in 10 statistic sounds well off.

R44 speaks facts

"If you're just looking to fuck, which many of us are, then who cares who's downlow or not?"

The gays who fetishise straight men.

Wonderful advice OP!

I never try to get with friends, straight or otherwise. Boundaries are sacred

A gay friend accused me of intentionally befriending hot straight dudes. There is some truth to it. What happened is I encountered some hot guys that caught my eye, they interpreted as me being friendly, we started hanging out or working out together, and although they are irrevocably heterosexual, we became close friends. Once friend, I don’t cross boundaries

Straight guys, especially good looking ones, get constantly hit on. Sometimes they think it's funny, but when it goes on too long or it becomes too aggressive or grabby, they understandably get enraged. Watch out, dear readers. They can turn on a dime and what happens next you brought upon yourselves.

And don’t do it Around witnesses

Yes, get killed with no witnesses.

I’ve seen openly gay guys directly and blatantly come on to Guys in front of others, and it almost always has ended badly because the gay guy forced a scene instead of discreetly interacting with the guy. Plus, a lot of openly gay guys don’t know how to speak “bro” or talk in a manner that nongay guys feel comfortable with, so that tends to create a chasm in and of itself

Think about it gays, would you want a woman coming on to you?

I love it. Most gay guys I know say they love it when chicks come on to them. It confirms your masculinity and attractiveness

To gym bros: I’m trying to get like you, bruh

"It confirms your masculinity"

lolz

lulz.

I think gay men who were closeted well into adulthood gravitate towards straight men, and really only gay men.

*straight men

Yeah, but a lot of non closeted gay men also chase straight identified men. See social media and dating apps

"non closeted gay men also chase straight identified men"

The type whose first experience was underage and likely with an adult male family member.

I’m talking gay men who were closeted well into their 20s, 30s or older, but are now out.

James Charles may have never been closeted, yet he steadfastly and boldly almost exclusively chases straight boys, uh, men

^^^ To the point where they're homophobic for rejecting him.

He does? Huh. I don’t know much about him. Is’t he virtually transgender?

I once almost got the shit beat out of me just for looking at an attractive, young man. I was in my car at a stoplight and a smoking hot guy pulls up next to me on a bicycle. In his twenties, handsome and ripped beyond words, only wearing a tiny pair of running shorts and sneakers. He was sweaty and obviously was in the middle of a workout. The light turned green, and I just glanced at him in case he started to move forward and would get too close to my car. I didn't want to hit him. Who would they blame? The driver of a car or an "innocent bike-rider". So, I glance at him, just for a second, to make sure he didn't wobble over toward me, the way you can when you start to pedal a bike. And he jumps off the bike and starts to beat my widow. I wasn't staring at him in any way, nor did I smile or give him some lascivious look. Also, DL cunts, I have often passed as straight, I don't have much of a gayface. I just briefly glanced over before hitting the gas pedal. He almost broke my window and I had to speed away, as if I had done something wrong. It was bizarre. True story.

^^ He was cancelled last year I think.

At least on Tiktok, I see straight guys bragging about being Propositioned by James Charles. They are not being homophobic about it. He has Pretty good elite taste in guys, usually comes on to hot fitness models. He doesn’t hit on average or mediocre straight guys

But that James Charles is practically trans, yes?

Quasi

Great huge thread on this topic

Quasi trans? You’re right, there is a contingent of gay men who only go after straight guys, but I truly believe it’s all related these gay men having severe mental problems. Coming out late, transitioning, etc.

Its widespread popularity is not only underscored on dating apps and social media, but also as a recurring theme in gay porn

Not in front of our salad R82!!!

Jeffree Star

Who is super straight? Who is mostly straight?

Thank you, Jose. We need more of him.

When staring is misinterpreted

Never even hint you would tell

Don’t make moves on your homie though

What so many gay guys believe

Feelings

Gym flirt

SMH

Treadmill

Gen Z boldness

A popped collar does the job.

Alright. You've convinced me. TikToc IS insufferable.

My straight homie likes to touch me, but I’m too afraid to touch him back

Str8 dudes don't Fleet up and...no.

Huh?

Clean asses, darling. I find straights aren't as thorough as our sisters.

Ummm Kay . If that’s your focus, man

[quote]sisters

I’m not trans.

R101 types drag queen.

No, he’s just a boring white gay man, probably 58, probably loves Elizabeth Warren.

Too young ⬆️

R39, we call that fakegay. If you're gay and still trying to get into some pussy, then what the fuck do you call it? That's an opposite sex desire. Just be honest and admit you're bisexual and stop faking shit.

These men are worth risking your life over, I guess.

R39, If you're "situationally" messing with a woman, you're CLEARLY bisexual. WTF?

It happens more and more

I actually find the converse of R39 to be true on DL--that no matter how much sex a guy has with other men, so long as he pretends to be straight, DLers believe he is indeed straight.

That sounds more like gay porn addicts. A dude can have hardcore Dick-in-ass sex with scores of men on camera, yet gay porn addicts refer to him as straight or gay for Pay.

Yep^.

R110, what happens more and more

Identify as Str8 for Str8

I love the kissing the homies trend

Straight men shaving their pits, hooking up with men (lots of men) on the side, bringing disease to women, women are so lucky.

That’s homophobic ⬆️

It’s truth.

Stop 🛑

No. ✋

When a straight acquaintance gets out of pocket

[quote] I find straights aren't as thorough as our sisters.

Stop with the "sisters" bullshit. Stop misgendering gay men and denigrating their masculinity.

When they don’t trust you around their girlfriends

Leg and calf tattoo are generally found on gay men.

R27 quarter of guys? Are you saying 25% of men are bi/gay?

Hotel bars during a convention, a couple of hours before closing.

Terminology and identification is subjective, but there is a category of straight identified men that get turned on by or enjoy attention from men. However, they generally aren’t attracted to men; they just are attracted to being considered hot by others, including men. Just look at all the guys on social media bragging about all the compliments they get from guys. They don’t want to have sex with men, but they revel in male feedback. Yes, these are aesthetics bros and gymbros. If you want to learn more about this or see examples, look up male gaze on TikTok.

Shut up, 127. You're going to ruin it for the likes of us. People talk about it too much as it is.

It depends upon what type of convention. A personal trainer convention, I’m there all night. An insurance convention, naw son

Homie stayovers

Nasty mouth straight bros

It's about having the right balance of being coquettish and demure.

What is coquettish?

I've been dealing with one for approx. a year and I'm fed up with it and wish now I'd never ever met him. I've wasted so much time over the past year on this game player with no pay-off. He's a 20 something Palestinian American dude that opened a smoke shop a few doors down from me in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn.

I got a strong interest vibe from him from the moment I first met him. Right off the bat, he started shooting the breeze with me about all kinds of personal things that I interpreted as him showing interest. Falling for the bait, I started exhibiting more interest, stopping by at times to say hello even when I wasn't shopping there.

I won't bother going through all the many ins and outs of our dealings with each other but I will highlight a few key ones here now-

After introducing myself to him by my first name on several occasions and learning from him that his name was Mike, I started noticing him calling me things like 'my brother' instead of using my real name so I finally asked him and confirmed he hadn't remembered my name at all from any of the several times I'd previously told him. I also found out from an Egyptian we both know in the neighborhood, that his real name is actually Mo, short for Mohammad. When confronted by me about it, he swore he also goes by Mike but I now don't believe this is true.

During our flirting phase, I'd sometimes buy and bring him expensive coffee drinks from Dunkin Donuts I knew he liked which he always readily accepted. From our discussions, he found out about certain medications I have on hand. I started providing him intermittently with the odd Adderall and Viagra pill for free that he asked for. After he got the first Viagra, he surprisingly showed me the on-line pic of a Latina thot he was meeting up with to use it on. He also at that time showed me a pic of of his two young children which I'd never known about before (or even the fact he was presently married).

I started avoiding him after that, but he stayed friendly whenever I happened to see him so I stupidly befriended him again. One time when I stopped in his shop, I jokingly made reference to him allowing a gay man, me, to openly flirt with him for freebies (DD drinks, pills). He immediately took exception, denying he was anything but 100 percent straight. Feeling humiliated, I just walked out. The next time I saw him on the street I went off on him. I said I'd never claimed he was gay himself but the fact that he got so defensive about the gay remark let me know what a shameful thing it is in his mind but I personally think the fact that he hooks up with side chicks while married and with young kids is a much more shameful thing to me.

I decided to no longer deal with him anymore after that. But then he started doing things to get me interested in him again. For instance, he blew multiple kisses at me when I was passing outside his shop and he saw me one day. He even tried to start up conversations about his penis, about how he suffers from premature ejaculation and such. Oh and a few days ago, he let it slip that his wife is now expecting their third child.

Now you can see why I'm fed up with these 'gaybatting'/downlow tyypes.

Uh, you should have left him alone when you learned he is married

When have to deal with this too

Is your caps lock key broken, BILL, at R135?

Bless

Cuddling

r135, he sounds dangerous.

I just assume nobody would be attracted to me, so I'm never paying attention. And if they would be, their first impression would quickly fade as they asked me the Three Burning Questions: 1) where did you go to college?; 2) where do you work (i.e. how much do you earn)?; and 3) how big is your cock?

That’s sad bro

R140, You are right. I have even wondered to myself if he might after gaybaitting me into doing something gay/sexual etc. towards him one day that he'll kill me and use a gay panic/practicing muslim defense to try and get off.

Not only would you be the villain for making him engage in something severely forbidden by his religion, but you would also be blamed up tor breaking up or threatening his family. People wouldn’t have sympathy for you anyway

I found a TikTok of a guy "kissing the homies". Apparently in Arab tradition men kissing other men on the cheek is a sign of affection. And not, you know, "fruity".

This guy and his friends are cute, though.

Of course

[quote]The skin-on-skin thing is interesting

It sure is!

R130, because there are so many personal trainer conventions 🙄. I'd prefer real estate. Plenty of hotties.

50% of men?

R149 This guy is more delusional than DataLoungers. Gay and bi men make 5% of male population, at most.

Who says this?

R150, you’re wrong , especially among young Americans

R151, that guy is homophobic.

It's typical "gay panic."

"Omigod!!! A guy came onto me!!!" And his fellow frat boys are skeezed out.

R152 "More than half of LGBT Americans, 57%, indicate they are bisexual. That percentage translates to 4.0% of all U.S. adults. Meanwhile, 21% of LGBT Americans say they are gay, 14% lesbian, 10% transgender and 4% something else." So more than half of all the LGBT are bisexuals (read bi women) and 10% are transgender. So how am I wrong? I was generous when I said it's 5% of men are bi or gay . Your link shows that it's even less than that

Nothing better than when your straight homie sees a guy he thinks is your type and acts as wingman for ya

At mosque 🕌

Increased testosterone

College aged people are three times more likely to say that they are not straight than they are a current or former member of a union.

The lines cross at 35 years old. That's when union membership is more prevalent than someone identifying as gay, lesbian, bisexual or other.

Nothing serious

None of this is even remotely reality people. Time to put the phone down and get some fresh air. Would hate for the real world to lay you flat.

Shoot ya shot

This kind of behavior is how trannies die.

Another delusional bottoms thread. Straights don’t want you.

I got nervous when the professor mentioned lgbt issue in class with my hot crush. I tried not to look at him, but I could feel him staring at me

When he calls….

They don’t want to stay overnight

R135 men are so easy to manipulate if you're young and hot. You can say anything you want, give them the faintest whiff of sex and get them to do anything.

Coworker

Squat spot

Straight flirts

Blow a kiss

Experiment

Gymbros

Know when to hold stare and give a “sup bro” nod

Pretty insides

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Stay classy at r175!

Is this a C. Cow thread?

Netflix

A message

Ya gotta know how to appropriately slide into their DMs

some of you trolls need to learn gay history and stop calling feminine gay men "quasi trans" and denigrating them for not being masculine enough

oh and for calling other gay men "sister".... lmfao at least pretend like you've ever talked to a gay person before

Huh

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In public

Check out Mario Adrion's videos on YouTube. Challenges guys all the time. Very Interesting.

DL friend

The OP's video is rather dumb because the double take has been standard pickup procedure for the 40 years I cruised guys. ANY guy. No specificity about race or orientation. And since it worked for years and so often, and made me a contender for the Whore of Babylon, it must be a known and standard procedure for a large majority of men.

I love brosexuals

Revenge

Why are the TikTok links here so short, when the real videos are much longer

Hip hop

Walmart

[quote]R72 James Charles may have never been closeted, yet he steadfastly and boldly almost exclusively chases straight boys, uh, men

And it ruined his career. He’s a predator.

No, chasing underage boys almost ruined it. He’s still very popular and wealthy

It would be so awesome

My gym

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