Holy shit. It’s about nukes.

Lock him up. Throw away the key. This is it for him. Y/y?

So those of us guessing he was going to give away our launch codes were probably correct. Except he's had this stuff all along. I have a feeling this country is in more danger than we can possibly imagine.

"Vlad, my man, I've got the documents. It's called, 'The M28/M29 Davy Crockett Nuclear Weapon System.' How much can I get for this?"

Are not all remote launch codes changed immediately upon the inauguration of a new president?

From Reuters without paywall

I knew it had to be nukes to get the FBI to raid a former president's house

Trump's fucked. Finally.

WHATABOUTBEBGHAZIHUNTERBIDENSLAPTOPBUTTERYEMAILS

R4, it isn’t about the codes. There are all sorts of things about our nuclear program—capabilities, where they’re located, how far they can reach—that don’t relate to the codes that can do tremendous damage.

Since Republicans want to return to the 1950s....should be treat Trump the same way the Rosenbergs were treated?

The MAGAs will just say the documents were planted by the evil liberal Deep State to tar history's greatest president so...no worries.

Trump is a threat to National security, a threat to democracy, and a traitor. A final solution to the problem needs to be arrived at, and carried out. Then go after the enablers, ie Graham, Giuliani, etc. Drain the swamp, permanently.

Benedict Donald

An MSNBC guest said Trump was in the habit of “waving around” materials he’d taken from the White House in front of his Mar-a-Lago guests, and the FBI may have been worried he’d one day pull out the nuclear documents.

Is this why Jared got $2 billion from the Saudis?

Why on earth would he be keeping nuclear documents at his home unless he was going to sell them Russia or China?

r16 I don't know, but I do know that he had a weird fascination with America's nuclear arsenal during his presidency.

R16, someone suggested he was holding them for ransom in case he was faced with prison. It doesn’t even matter why he took them. The fact that he did is a major, major crime.

@r16, If not that he probably thought it would be his get out of jail free card if he needed to negotiate a deal

r18, just said the same

This is death penalty worthy treason, if true. It would be better for all of us if there was a fatal "heart attack" or "stroke."

I would've expected the Colonel's 11 herbs and spices.

I don’t want to know it’s what they were searching for, I want to know it’s what they found.

Wow.

Do you think he gave the information to the Russians?

If so, that's TREASON.

Can you imagine a former President of the United States being found guilty of TREASON??

He can be executed for that.

The Rosenberg's fried for less.

Well, Hillary tried to sell the codes at Benghazi and they were on Hunter's laptop and then Obama wasn't even born here. So...

r18 I saw another theory on Reddit -- he kept the nuclear codes from his final days in office to show to his guests and brag about it. Since those are cycled daily, he probably thought there wasn't any harm in doing it.

I want to see him HANG for this.

Now that that's been established...why exactly is he still walking around free?

Im afraid we’re about to find out that not only could Trump shoot somebody and not lose any voters, he could sell America’s nuclear secrets to the highest bidder and not lose any MAGAt supporters.

R26, you lost me at "he thought"

Putin won’t nuke, right? Threatening nukes is pretty much theater?

Maybe he won’t be by next Monday 8/15 R28.

And you wonder why his shitstain supporters immediately used the word "planted." They knew he had some serious shit.

I genuinely hope every single Trump supporter dies a painful death. Scum of the earth.

Traitor

We're ready for you, Mr. Trump.

Looks like his January 6 traitor-followers-insurrectionists can leave the noose up.

We have a use for it after all!

You'll HANG for this, Trump!

One of the most sensitive classified materials is the actual design of nuclear weapons. Perhaps he took that? Although why would he need that or be provided that in the first place?

It doesn't have to be codes, it could be new systems, if we have things in places foreign countries don't know about yet, what our response is to every scenario that could arise, if we plan to respond to any attack or only a certain kind of attack, etc. There is plenty of stuff that could have gotten Jared his $2 billion and trump god knows how much.

OMG! He was going to give them to Putin to pay off his debts!

Donald follows the rules he learned from his father the sleazy New York landlord. He never bothered to learn the rules Washington operates by, which are very different.

This was obviously leaked because they knew Trump and his parasitic legal team and all of the assholes demanding to see the warrant, didn't think Garland would do it, so the assholes would've gone to court to keep it sealed because Garland called their bluff.

So glad this happened.

Mattt Yglesias:

If the FBI can stop a former president from leaving classified nuclear weapons information at his beach house, they can do it to you too.

Chilling.

I hope the issue is "attempted or intended to sell nuclear secrets," rather than "sold...secrets."

r41 Yep, it wouldn't have been leaked if they hadn't found anything nuclear-related either.

R26, no way it was just about the codes. As you said, they are cycled daily. What he had would be useless if it was just codes.

Was this what emboldened Vlad to invade Ukraine?

r45 It's still a state secret because no one knows what the nuclear codes even look like.

Trump had to be escorted off the golf course, when he heard the news...

Hasn't Trump had those documents in his possession since he left office in January 2021? Why WOULDN'T he have sold them by now? He's Trump, after all.

And now we know why they went through Melania's things, the nuclear codes were found in a Fendi handbag.

Who in the fuck do deplorables think they are? He wasn't allowed to take a fucking thing, not even a fucking paper clip. Even if we didn't know it was about nukes, he is not above the fucking law. He wasn't allowed to take ANYTHING. I 'm tired of their excuses, just fucking die, deplorables.

If the Saudis end up with a nuclear weapon program soon, we'll know how they were able to do it.

I guess I have to be the only person with a functioning brain...

You guys really believe Trump toted out documents having to do with nukes nineteen months ago, and they're just now getting around to retrieving them? They were just in Mar-A-Lago in June. They couldn't get the nukes papers then?

It's clear they overplayed their hand, didn't expect the blowback they got, and now they're trying to save face. I bet they came up short on the raid, and now they're trying to make it look like it was all to the good.

I’m convinced more than ever that there’s probably stuff that got buried in Ivana’s, ummm… hole. She was probably cremated, and they let Barron flush her ashes down the toilet.

I keep waiting for the trump camp to push back on this through Maggie Haberman, but she's quiet this evening.

[quote] should be treat Trump the same way the Rosenbergs were treated?

Not a good example. While he was guilty, she was not. Yet they let her die because they thought threatening her death would get Julius to give up more information and other co-conspirators. Well, tactic did not work and they couldn't back down from what they had done and, of course, Julius cared more about the "cause" than he did his wife or sons.

When I learned this it made me terrible sad. Especially for their sons.

[quote] I’m convinced more than ever that there’s probably stuff that got buried in Ivana’s, ummm… hole. She was probably cremated, and they let Barron flush her ashes down the toilet.

Dig her up!

Dig her up!

Exhume those bodies!

Fuck you, Anderson and Andy Cohen!

@r53, "I guess I have to be the only person with a functioning brain"

No, but you are the biggest asshole 😠

It's also quite possible this was information about foreign nuclear programs or weapons (that US intelligence had secretly discovered) and not US nuclear programs. So other countries could be freaking out about this too.

R53, if Trump was deliberately hiding that information from the National Archives because he wanted to keep it, they wouldn't necessarily have known it was there to look for. (Their source now, supposedly, was someone in the Secret Service who clued them in.)

Someone posted on Twitter asking if he hid the docs in Ivana’s grave

This is literally a quote from a real Dee Plorable at Free Republic:

[quote]But biotch Hitlery runs classified govey information on servers administered by middle eastern traitors. NO BIG DEAL!! The height of lunacy running the asylum!!

Republicans always project their guilt on to others. Anytime I hear a Republican accusing a Democrat I immediately know they are the ones who are really guilty.

He is fucking disgusting and so is every last one of those tiny-dicked, ugly-souled MAGAts who go around squealing like HOGS, pretending they're g-d PATRIOTS when they are TRAITORS and trash! Those retarded cretins are everything wrong and ignorant on this planet. FUCK THEM!

I know it's probably crazy, but I still wonder if Pelosi's trip to Taiwan is connected. If a foreign country like China got hold of information about our defenses, or Taiwan's, they could have been making rumblings about going in.

I know it's nuts. I just wanted to get it out of my brain. Carry on.

More wisdom from R53:

[quote]R355 Maybe that's because they've been thisclose to getting Trump since [checks watch] 2016. If it's not one thing, it's another. And it seems like state and federal investigators are willing to pull out all the stops more or less on a hunch when you have Democrats who clearly broke the law seemingly get a pass or slap on the wrist (i.e. Hillary, Joe and Hunter Biden, Pelosi, etc)

[quote] I guess I have to be the only person with a functioning brain...

No, you aren't. But you're the only troll we've had on this thread since the news broke.

And, even more basic, R53, you're a drive-by troll whose only post was that one. Try harder next time, this is not Truth Social where the average IQ is 75.

[quote]I guess I have to be the only person with a functioning brain

No, but you are the biggest asshole 😠

If they can prove this , it’s over for the Don

It’s Datalounge where the IQ is 80.

Girls, girls...you're BOTH hideously ugly.

[quote]I know it's nuts.

All of this is nuts. What's even more nuts is that people can't see that this is all a game made to pit Americans against [bold]each other[/bold]. They want civil war. And we're dim enough to give it to them.

I mean, is NO ONE going to question how the hell Trump got that political ad out within 12hrs of the raid? Almost like they're following a script meant to manipulate his followers and his detractors.

Unplug.

R74 who is "they"?

[quote] It’s Datalounge where the IQ is 80.

It would go up several points if you left

I can't see how the GOP can spin this. As a side note, Trump is asking his fans for a one hundred dollar donation to help fight the "witch hunt".

I don’t think that is crazy at all r66. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes. Such a random visit by Pelosi yet may have had more importance than we thought. Good post.

Stop salivating, By the time any court get underway, President De Santis will grant the Don a full pardon.

So numerous people knew damn good and well for years WHILE he was in office... and did nothing.

This time that son of a bitch is going down. Espionage.

I see that damage control trolls have arrived. I have to give it to them - they're fighting an impossible battle.

Have the deplorables started claiming that some covfefe boy accidentally put those documents in the box while he was packing up Donald's personal mementos? You know, his favorite Happy Meal box, his autographed picture of Vlad and his love letter from Kim Jong-Un.

[quote]Hasn't Trump had those documents in his possession since he left office in January 2021? Why WOULDN'T he have sold them by now? He's Trump, after all.

Maybe his eBay account was suspended.

[quote]It would go up several points if you left

Alright, 82.

There is only ONE way to deal with a psychopath like trump and all of his treasonous enablers.

Execute every motherfucking last one of them.

This leak puts a tremendous amount of pressure on Trump and his lawyers not to fight the DOJ request to unseal the search warrant. Makes it impossible to do that, actually. Well played.

[quote]I would've expected the Colonel's 11 herbs and spices.

Putin wants the formula for Coca-Cola.

Wishing every one of Don's DL Damage Control tapeworms and prolapsed anus of their very own.

Anyone who stands up for that cancer infestation on our country deserves both.

3 years ago

The usual GOP braying donkeys have been conspicuously quiet on Twitter in the past hour or so. It's the little hoi polloi MAGA foot soldiers who are the loudest (and barely literate.)

The wealthy fuckers running the show, r75.

DL isn't ready for that conversation, though. You use the phrase "both sides" and they immediately check out and plug their ears.

I've all but given up. It's like you all [bold]want[/bold] to be manipulated into civil war. Overlooking the swift release of that Trump ad after the raid is proof that a lot of people are in some kind of trance. It's frustrating to watch, tbh.

^ Organized chaos is the term I was looking for.

It just amazes me how the shitshow just goes on and on. He isn't even President anymore, yet he manages to make episides of the sad "reality show" , that is all too real, that has been the last six years since he announced his candidacy, just get crazier and crazier. And his minions still follow him. His poll numbers will probably go up!!

Has Ben Shapiro chimed in yet ?

[quote] He can be executed for that.

video, please! And force all the MAGAts to watch it.

I guess he’ll be on the next flight to Vladivostok,

Remember what happened to the Iranian brat when he tried to give nuclear documents to the Americans on The Bureau? That's what should happen to Trump.

[quote]And his minions still follow him.

Because, once again, as I stated. People. Are. In. A. Fucking. Trance.

[quote] t's also quite possible this was information about foreign nuclear programs or weapons (that US intelligence had secretly discovered) and not US nuclear programs. So other countries could be freaking out about this too.

Good point. It's the reason why national security secrets are kept for a very long time, sometimes forever. There are so many different things that could reveal sources of intel and endanger individuals as well as the security of other nations.

To follow R61 and R90, I’m sure Jared’s Saudi friend MBS or Iran would love to have info on Jared’s Israeli friends’ nuclear program.

R68 "You KNOW all we want to do is name-call Trump and Republicans. How DARE you come in with your facts and logic and rain on our parade?"

None of this is going to stop him from running and possibly winning again.

[quote] Someone posted on Twitter asking if he hid the docs in Ivana’s grave

The docs are hidden up inside Melania's poosey.

@r70, "—Formatting Troll"

You're the 2nd biggest asshole on this thread. There are no formatting rules on this site only options, but I'm guessing you're too stupid to understand that... Jerk

Chris Wray using the term "deplorable" was a message that the FBI ain't fucking around and mean business. I was never a fan of Wray (because he was the Trump family lawyer before Trump installed him) but I think he's going to be forced into following the law.

Just a reminder that he lost the election in 2016 by a few million votes and a significantly larger margin in 2020.

Americans like democracy. We do not vote against our own interests.

Corporate media loves a freakshow and HATES American democracy.

He would never have been a candidate if corporate media did not push him center stage and cover for his outrageous lies.

I'd say this is a bigger story than Watergate. This is about an ex-president endangering the safety of the citizens of the United States. What a sick, evil motherfucker.

[quote]—Formatting Troll

You're the 2nd biggest asshole on this thread. There are no formatting rules on this site only options, but I'm guessing you're too stupid to understand that... Jerk

[quote] [R41] Yep, it wouldn't have been leaked if they hadn't found anything nuclear-related either.

It "leaked" to minimize the chance that Trump could mischaracterize the purpose of the FBI raid. He is prepared to object to the FBI warrant being unsealed. This curtails his ability to give a false narrative that would be believable to anyone with an IQ over 80. He had the fucking audacity to say his lawyers were "negotiating" to return this information to the US government. He should be executed.

[quote]Have the deplorables started claiming that some covfefe boy accidentally put those documents in the box while he was packing up Donald's personal mementos?

Well, that will be their defense. “Donald didn’t pack those boxes himself. He had no idea what was in them.”

He has a core group but he also has the Republican loyalists, the middle class people in the suburbs, who in 2016 and even 2020, voted for him. He’s not getting as many of those after this. And independents will forsake him. Independents are very important now.

I hope that some of those people you mention R111 just stay home and don't vote in November. Democrats are fired up to go vote.

Ironically, Trump and the republicans would be breathing a lot easier right now if they had just let Merrick Garland serve on the Supreme Court.

[quote] (because he was the Trump family lawyer before Trump installed him)

BS, r105

So is this what is stated in the warrant? If so, WOW.

When do we see the warrant, anyway?

[quote] “Donald didn’t pack those boxes himself. He had no idea what was in them.”

Yeah, he hired a Russian moving company from Brighton Beach. Wanted to save some money on the move.

r109 Yes, but that's only one part of it. Once the warrant and the receipt of the search both get out, there will be tremendous backlash if there isn't anything nuclear-related in there.

Holy shit! He needs to be charged with treason. There's no innocent reason for him to have had unauthorized possession of these documents. And don't give me that "We can't! He's a former president. There's no precedent...."-bullshit. There's no precedent until one is set and this is a prime fucking opportunity to make it clear that such egregious treasonous behavior will never be tolerated from anyone.

If this was about nuclear info, isn't it a bit disconcerting it's taken the feds about 18 months since Trump became a private citizen to figure it out and remove the docs?

[quote] (because he was the Trump family lawyer before Trump installed him)

R114 No, he worked for King & Spalding, who handled the Trump family's real estate Della.

[quote] This time that son of a bitch is going down. Espionage.

It's TREASON.

By a former American President, no less.

Punishable by death.

[quote] Federal Definition: In Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution, treason is specifically limited to levying war against the U.S., or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.[2]

[quote] Penalty: Under U.S. Code Title 18, the penalty is death,[4] or not less than five years' imprisonment (with a minimum fine of $10,000, if not sentenced to death). Any person convicted of treason against the United States also forfeits the right to hold public office in the United States.[5]

[quote] The terms used in the definition derive from English legal tradition, specifically the Treason Act 1351. Levying war means the assembly of armed people to overthrow of the government or to resist its laws. Enemies are subjects of a foreign government that is in open hostility with the United States.[6] Those who assemble to levy war, as well as those who conspire with them, can be prosecuted.[7] The American definition is narrower than that of English law, which spanned other classes of treason such as counterfeiting and bringing indignity upon the king.[8]

[quote] No person has been executed for treason by the federal government under the Constitution. The small handful of people who have been convicted of the offense at the federal level — such as two militants from the Whiskey Rebellion (John Mitchell and Philip Weigel, who were both pardoned by President George Washington[9]) and several people after World War II — have mostly been pardoned or released.

The MAGAt mentality is one part right wing indoctrination, one part Christofascist, but mostly traceable to Art Bell and his legion of reality denying conspiracy addicts.

Garland worked in law enforcement for forty years. He knows what the fuck he is doing and doesn't need to be second guessed by corporate media 🙉 pox whores.

The Jinah Syndrome starring Dump as Benedict Donald

@r108, " You're the 2nd biggest asshole on this thread. There are no formatting rules on this site only options, but I'm guessing you're too stupid to understand that... Jerk —Formatting Troll"

Make that the first biggest asshole

Whatever, y'all. All I know is I feel better knowing a MACHO MACHO MAN like my president DONALD J TRUMP was the one who took those documents and not old Pedo Joe or Cameltoe or Barry Hussian! MY president is a God fearin', gun-totin', red-blooded, America-lovin' MAN who TAKES WHAT HE WANTS! Big Macs, underage pussy, his daughter's virginity, nuke codes...it don't matter! He takes it, like a REAL MAN! You soyboys wouldn't get it!

r120, reasonably, when I read "family lawyer" I think of a consigliere like Tom Hagan to Voto Corleone.

Not a lawyer who is another cog in the wheel of a large firm.

And to think I felt guilty inadvertently walking out with a box of thumbtacks on the last day at an old job.

A bomb has been dropped, figuratively and dataloungers are quarreling about formatting text.

Ha!

Voto- Vito

Perhaps the delay was for the FBI to get independent evidence that there is missing confidential material is in the hands of foreign agents. Otherwise, Trump would just pull a Putin and say, "Look, I'm too busy to know everything my staff is doing." Who knows, maybe Garland went to Ukraine to get evidence that Trump/Kushner were going to sell US intelligence about what we sent to Ukraine to Putin but wanted to put it out for bid to Ukraine first. Trump/Kushner are amoral, so despite whatever help Putin has given Trump, there's no loyalty to anyone but themselves.

For the inevitable Hollywood film, I think Henry Winkler would make a great Merrick Garland.

Dump selling nuclear secrets to the highest bidder? Nobody could have seen this coming, he's so honest and trustworthy!

Or Mark Rylance

R92, you can use the "both sides" crap all you want, but only an idiot thinks a bunch of mostly women wearing pink hats protesting after Trump's win is anywhere near as dangerous as the right-wing. The Dems aren't the ones banning books and trying to stop a 10yo rape victim from getting an abortion. Don't compare a jaywalker to a drunk driver.

No named sources.

Trust us!

Person. Woman. Man. Camera. Nuclear codes?

I want to see the warrant.

[quote] If this was about nuclear info, isn't it a bit disconcerting it's taken the feds about 18 months since Trump became a private citizen to figure it out and remove the docs?

They need to get all the evidence together, in order to serve the warrant.

And given the scope, seriousness, and implications of this case, I'm sure they wanted to make sure all the t's were crossed, and all the i's were dotted.

OK Mike, you got the full accounting from Garland: time for another tweet... make it good.

[quote] [R109] Yes, but that's only one part of it. Once the warrant and the receipt of the search both get out, there will be tremendous backlash if there isn't anything nuclear-related in there.

R117, how likely is it that this "leaked" but no documentation was found during the raid? Don't you watch "Madam Secretary"?!

Rachel Vindman 🌻 @natsechobbyist Even after everything we’ve seen and experienced, I’m shocked. There’s no way this happened without several accomplices.

Ransom to stay out of jail and/or to guarantee cooperation that he gets reinstated as president no matter the results of the 2024 election.

And yes, he is that arrogant and stupid.

[quote]The docs are hidden up inside Melania's poosey.

Even Trump isn't stupid enough to hide it somewhere that open 24/7 for anyone with the cash.

Rick Wilson:

“Surely, Donald Trump stealing nuclear secrets will be enough to break away Republicans from him.”

if y’all haven’t learned this lesson now you never will.

The man can eat a live baby on national television and not a single Republican voter would give a shit.

[quote] OK Mike, you got the full accounting from Garland: time for another tweet... make it good.

Pence is a slimy MF, too. He loudly called for a full accounting because he had reason to know Trump was up to no good.

r141 Oh my god, I was simply explaining to that poster what I had previously already posted at r44.

Derp

Nuke-U-Ler

r135 You still don't get it. At all.

Yes, we’re enjoying a rare moment of silence while Trumpers are awaiting instruction on how to spin this.

Somewhere in Florida, DeSatan's hand is getting sore from clinking that many champagne glasses.

To recap for the back of the class:

1. they found nuclear-related stuff or they wouldn't have leaked this AND

2. they're trying to increase pressure on Trump not to fight the request to unseal the warrant.

Both of these things are true at the same time.

I'm calling it now: Donald offed Ivana so that the most damning documents could be hidden in her grave, which is conveniently on his property and no where near she wanted to be buried.

Wasn't it that primary debate in 2015 when Dump was too stupid to know what the triad was and little Marco had to step in and explain?

"The power, the beauty of nuclear!"--Trump

I've said this several times over the years and I stand by it: Trump has never understood what it is to be an American or a patriot. Over the years, he has attempted to skirt US law to create a "modeling" agency with very young, foreign, illegal girls and he has also attempted to do business in places like Cuba during the embargo, If on 9/11 --as the towers were coming down-- the Bin Laden family offered him a business deal, he would take it without hesitating for a moment. His God is $. He has no devotion to any one or any country, only to himself.

He is a pile of shit. Always has been, always will be.

Fox News is traitorous too

R157.

Now his legal team has to stop the release, or they're screwed. But if they stop it, then they're also screwed. I think they'll block the release claiming that the documents might cause harm to others. Safe in his basement, but harmful if made public.

What happens then? They remain sealed until charges are filed?

I hope the Democratic National Committee is making a compilation reel of EVERYTHING the Republican Party stands for right now.

From banning abortion to stealing government nuclear secrets.

Make a list of ALL of it, then make a video and run it on every network from now until November.

That's what Republican pigs would do if they had this arsenal against Democrats.

I say we use all of this information to ANNIHILATE Republicans!!!

Perhaps some of the confidential data that Trump stole and sold implicates the entire Republican Party, assuring the continuing allegiance of all Republicans. There was considerable discussion in 2017 about the Republican National Committee having taken a large amount of campaign contributions from members of the Russian government, which is an illegal act. Perhaps that is why Paul Ryan "retired" from the House after Trump had taken office. If all Republicans have received a share of funding from the RNC, they're all suspect.

R159 r160

Will he finally OFF himself in an underground bunker?

*crossing fingers*

The fly that burrowed into Mike Pence's empty head was a sign of the decay and putrid nature of these people.

MAGATS BY NAME AND NATURE.

It's a love story like no other. He and his pock faced boyfriend can have a nice triste in Guantanamo now, undisturbed for life.

Trump’s allies are right to say he has faced differential treatment from the FBI.

He’s been treated better. If you or I were hanging on to classified documents about nuclear weapons, I don’t think the feds would send a subpoena and wait 2 months before knocking on our doors

R161 Not to mention all of the foreign money funneled through the NRA and other 501(c)3 groups to GQP candidates. Hell, they even had a Russian spy, Maria Butina, fucking half the Republican Party.

And then there were the Senators that went to Moscow on July 4th 2018 (or was it 17? I can't remember)

No wonder Eric Trump was shitting bricks the other day.

I have a feeling that the WHOLE FAMILY is going down!

And in other news a trumpturd was killed by the fbi.

[quote] Trump’s allies are right to say he has faced differential treatment from the FBI.

Preferential treatment, Mary.

The word is PREFERENTIAL.

R152, I don’t know. DeSantis, like Kevin McCarthy, was too quick to go all in on supporting Trump despite, apparently, being warned it might be unwise.

He sold the nukes to Kim Jong Un and Putin!

The pee tape is coming out any moment now!

He colluded with Russia!

He tried to kill James Comey!

I hate the loud mouthed asshole but you naive, gullible, red team/blue team bumper sticker politics fuckers are what is really ruining the country.

Nothing will come of this.

[quote]And in other news a trumpturd was killed by the fbi.

Drinks on me!

R169 How long before that Deplorable shithead is turned into a martyr by FUX NEWWZ et al, like Ashlii Babbit?

FLASHBACK (FEBRUARY 2019): "Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns with Trump Administration’s Efforts to Transfer Sensitive Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia"

R172 = Miss Lindsey Graham, fanning herself on her fainting couch, with a bottle of "the vapors" nearby.

Execute him.

Magats get a sexual thrill repeating: " nothing will cum of dis". "He gets away with everything".

I seem to recall a story about Melanoma asking the generals about the locations of the nuclear silos a few years ago. Does that ring a bell for anybody else? I did a cursory search but all I could find were stories about Dump whining about the FBI messing up her closet.

Since leaving office, the Saudis have "invested" $2 billion with Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and paid Trump untold sums to host two professional golf tournaments at his properties

There is allegedly a DOJ policy that it will not indict and put to trial a sitting president. If so, I'm hoping the DOJ terminates that policy after this.

That’s terrible at R182.

The nuclear secrets Trump took with him are worth hundreds of billions on the open market. But I'm sure he would never sell them unless the corrupt FBI and the Deep State forces his hand. So they better watch their step now!

Dr. Strangelove II: The Apprentice

Some fun examples in this thread:

Dear Glenn Greenwald @R172, go to a favela and suck some underage dick.

Head on a pike , immediately!

The last weekend in July Trump's golf course in New Jersey held a Saudi-backed event with Trump and Saudis in attendance. Then, just over one week later the FBI searched Mar-A-Lago. Coincidence?

I had assumed he stole the classified Intel regarding 911 and blackmailed the Saudis.

R180, he does get away with everything.

The fly does not lie.

Aye, aye, aye...

R192 and it makes you hot

Good for those families for protesting.

Pathetic effort by the Dump trolls tonight. Teensy weensy effect, just like their dicks.

The families of people who were killed on 9/11 should not have to be out there protesting. They have endured too much.

Jared is the leaker. He was heavily involved in brokering payouts from Saudis for the nuclear info or from the deals to acquire nuclear weapons. I can totally see him pushing Trump under the bus - he's an opportunist extraordinaire, not a true Trump family loyalist. Even someone like that plastic surgery coke clown, Kim Guilfoyle, is less likely to squeal.

Y’all acting like you’ve never seen a 76 year-old drug-addicted, twice impeached ex-POTUS insurrectionist steal top secret nuclear docs and keep them at his Palm Beach club where his super venal cocaine-head son had access to them before. Hunter who? Kiss my ass, MAGA. @GOP

If it was Jared, he would have had to negotiate immunity before-hand to avoid his own prosecution. I doubt that Trump can actually come up with or do anything as complicated as what Jared could do.

Or perhaps the poster was going for:

def·er·en·tial

/ˌdefəˈren(t)SH(ə)l/

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adjective

showing deference; respectful.

"people were always deferential to him"

We still don't know if Jared gave his buddy Saudi prince MBS classified info back in the first couple of years of the Dump Administration.

I think even Trump supporters know he would sell nuclear secrets for the right price.

Honestly, I miss that little whore. Dancing to Gloria, lips in constant state of fellating, screaming orgasm speeches. The only bright spot of the tRUMP years.

Gym Jordan-run account tries to undercut the story by attacking the integrity of the FBI. Of course, he has no proof that anyone from the Bureau was the source — but that little detail won’t matter to his audience.

[quote] Now his legal team has to stop the release, or they're screwed. But if they stop it, then they're also screwed. I think they'll block the release claiming that the documents might cause harm to others. Safe in his basement, but harmful if made public.

He doesn't get to keep records he can on!y oppose release of the subpoena. He will oppose its release. He will say he had no awareness that those documents were among those in his possession. He will also suggest that the nuke docs were "planted" on him. He will (falsely) claim his lawyers inventoried all the docs he retained and insist the nuke documents were not on the inventory. He will allude to a deep state conspiracy by the FBI in tandem with Democrats and RINOs.

R205 And what's worse is--they don't care. As long as whites don't become a minority in the US, which has been predicted for many years, they'll support any politician who caters to their fear.

They were also looking for evidence of Trump having top secret classified Signal Intel. This is technology we use to evesdrop on world leaders, and in opther ways as part of tracecraft at the CIA and the Defense Intelligence. Now that would be important to Putin as we use this stuff to help Zelensky in the war in Ukraine. I bet Michael Flynn is somehow involved. Also heard tonight is that the about Nukes is kept in a SCIF Sensitive Compartmentalized aInformation Facility. Thisstuff, in other words, does not just sit out there accessibleat will. There is aprocedure to access it and if Trump has this shit he didn't get it by himself. Flynn knows how all that shit works. Oh. The Nuclear codes are change at least once or twice a day. Having them aside from being illegal, is not angerous...unless they areactive right now.

I barely know those documents! I think they brought me coffee once.

Well, Marco Rubio did say Trump can’t be trusted with the nuclear codes.

Let's get out the Ouija board and ask Roy Cohn what to do with traitors who sell nuclear secrets to foreign governments.

And why hasn't Michael Flynn been recalled, then court martialed??? It should concern everyone that this QAnon lunatic still has a security clearance.

I keep thinking, why is Trump still breathing? Why isn’t this putrid stain on the country and the world eliminated? He needs to be put down, truly. NOW.

Merrick Garland is fucking brilliant. Trump knows he’s got the goods on him and Merrick let Trump know today that he’s fucked. 2022 is turning out to be quite a good year.

Now we know what Hawley was holding on his January 6 sprint...

And I love how Garland allowed all of the idiot Republicans to shoot their mouths off for a few days, then Garland delivers the goods.

R214, it pisses me off way more that the motherfucker gets a pension from us taxpayers. I don't see a difference between paying for him and paying for a member of Al Qaeda

[quote]This is technology we use to evesdrop on world leaders, and in opther ways as part of tracecraft at the CIA and the Defense Intelligence. Thisstuff, in other words, does not just sit out there accessibleat will. There is aprocedure to access it and if Trump has this shit he didn't get it by himself. Having them aside from being illegal, is not angerous...unless they areactive right now.

R210 - Where are you from?

I just worked a 14 hour day and saw the first 20 replies.

Without knowing anything about this latest development (I will go research now)

HE. WILL. GET . AWAY .WITH. THIS. I don't even need to know anything but I know this guy will get away. Again.

Hope I'm wrong.

Isn't he almost 80? Hopefully he will just croak.

R221 I don't want him to die first, I want him to be prosecuted and suffer/die in prison, where he belongs.

r221, Not this time...

If there's proof of him selling nuclear secrets, or trying to sell them, I honestly think he'll end up having a heart attack.

@r221, You've got A LOT of catching up to do

Where did R221 put in that 14 hour shift? Krasnoyarsk Aluminum Siding Factory No.2?

Fap.Fap.Fap..

He gets away with everything and this makes my 🙉 pox scars swell and tingle all over.

Fap.Fap.Fap.

If DOJ can confirm he sold nuclear secrets… he won’t get away with it. Finally something he won’t get away with.

@r224, Nah, he's already figured out a way to blame Ivana. "I pushed her down the stairs, because she had all the nuclear secrets"

What if covfefe was a signal he had the documents?

[quote]Whatever, y'all. All I know is I feel better knowing a MACHO MACHO MAN like my president DONALD J TRUMP was the one who took those documents... MY president is a God fearin', gun-totin', red-blooded, America-lovin' MAN who TAKES WHAT HE WANTS!

R126 posted this in jest of course, but this - THIS - is the reason we have deplorable Trump supporters. The root cause.

With the USSC overturning Roe and this shit cyclone, Dem turnout should be 90% or more.

[quote]If DOJ can confirm he sold nuclear secrets

If the DOJ had any suspicion that he actually sold nuclear secrets, they’d have done a lot more than seek a search warrant. I’m afraid some of you are getting way too ahead of yourselves and building expectations that won’t be met.

The GOP has been awfully quiet these past several hours. Those assholes know the gig is up.

This is so much fun…kind of makes me forget that Trump stole nuclear secrets and that we should all be scared out of our minds.

I don't see a treason charge.

So far it doesn't seem they can prove that Trump was trying to "levy war" against the US or try by force to stop a legal procedure with a force of people. I realize people want to suggest Trump directly led the January 6 riot at the Capitol but so far they don't seem to have the smoking gun that he planned this or told people to do what they actually did, i.e., break into the Capitol and try to stop a legal procedure. But you never know what they can still come up with. Planning the rally and even a march to the Capitol is not enough.

The second way to prove treason, i.e., by aiding and "giving comfort" to an enemy of the US requires us to be at war. There has to be an officially declared "enemy".

The search warrant they are asking the judge to unseal will not have the affidavit with it. So the warrant itself may prove disappointing in its lack of detail. It may only direct the seizure of specific boxes and numbered documents. We're certainly not going to see labeled documents especially if they are classified or about nuclear shit (actual Legal term). LOL!

While it doesn't seem to meet a definition of treason, it sounds treasony so not a good look and, if there is intent to do something that could harm the US, even if inadvertently, it seems fair to call him a traitor.

Fuck off traitor.

[quote] [R180], he does get away with everything.

No he does not. He lost the 2020 election in spite of vigorous efforts at suppression and cheating. He still hasn't been allowed back onto his beloved Twitter.

I mean, would we put ANYTHING past Trump? Of course not. This is how a sociopath acts. He has no self-imposed limits and doesn't know right from wrong. It's insane that he was allowed to assume the presidency, that there is no mechanism to prevent someone like that psycho from being president.

R236, you have the new catch phrase! When they go “Let’s go, Brandon”, we go “Fuck off, traitor.”

R235 is also trying to push some right wing "Gays against groomers" thing. That kind of tells you his/her real agenda. Next, I'm waiting for an anti-trans or a "random crime in a big, Blue city" thread from the troll.

Go back to your *Have We talked about this: Gays Against Groomers* thread, r235.

I don’t see anything happening to him about this.

Sure, R242. Tell your superiors they need to be more creative with talking points for their flying monkeys.

Mandatory 5 years in prison for removing classified documents.

Look, even if I'm only dreaming, the idea of seeing his ass hauled in front of the Hague is giving me so much life right now.

[quote]Holy shit. It’s about nukes.

Isn't that great, OP?

I hope something happens to him and it’s so severe we can’t even imagine it

Is good.

Now you have glass of best Russian vodka.

Hey, r235, kiss my ass 😠

A reminder that the Saudis have wanted nuclear info. That Jared got $2B from MBS. That Trump stole nuclear documents. That’s a lot of coincidences. — Trump billionaire friend aimed to profit from Mideast nuclear deal: Democrats

I love how the DOJ has played this, by first calling Trump and the GOP on their bluff with releasing the warrant, then leaking that some of the info Trump was holding onto was about our nuclear program.

Trump has got to be shitting himself right now. I mean, more than usual.

His defense will be “Putin made me do it.”

R240, go fuck yourself. You too, R241 I'm trying to explain the law and you're off on some right wing conspiracy crap. You sound like a nutter.

This is an interesting transcript of an interview with a former US Attorney from February 2022 when they discovered 15 boxes of papers Trump took with him to Florida and discusses the Presidential Papers and the powers of the president to classify and declassify documents which is pretty unfettered.

[quote] With respect to the Presidential Records Act, that law doesn't have a criminal provision. It doesn't even have an enforcement mechanism. But it requires a president to preserve their records, not for the president, but for archivists and for historians, for all of us, for citizens. Those records belong to us, not to the president.

[quote] The president of the United States, any president, is the primary consumer of intelligence information. He is the ultimate customer. He also has the authority to classify and declassify documents. So, even if documents were found that are classified, it would be very difficult, exceedingly difficult, for a federal prosecutor to prove that Mr. Trump or any other president didn't just wave their hand over the documents and say, I now declassify you.

[quote] In order to prove a criminal case of mishandling or retaining classified information, you would also have to essentially prove a negative, that that didn't happen, that the documents were properly classified, and that President Trump took the documents in a classified condition, he mishandled them, and retained them. That's a very difficult criminal case, given that the president has ultimate classification and declassification authority.

[quote] That said, there is yet another statute that could make it a crime to destroy documents. Let's put aside the classified documents for a moment. Let's put aside the Presidential Records Act for a moment. There is a federal law that makes it a crime for a custodian of records, somebody who has ownership of the records, possession, custody, to destroy them or remove them. It's not clear to me that he automatically violated the statute when he tore up those records. A violation would be a felony, Geoff.

[quote] But here's the problem. That statute, found in Title 18 of the United States Code, requires that the person who violated it acted intentionally. And that doesn't mean he intentionally tore the documents. That means that he tore the documents intentionally to violate the statute. It's not impossible to prove, but it's not as easy as it might appear at first blush to some people.

Nothing is easy. Which is why this has to be done by rational, smart people who go by the book and not hysterical banshees who work off emotions.

Trump billionaire friend aimed to profit from Mideast nuclear deal: Democrats

By Jonathan Landay, Timothy Gardner

7 Min Read

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Tom Barrack, a billionaire friend of U.S. President Donald Trump, pursued a plan to buy Westinghouse Electric Corp even as he lobbied Trump to become a special envoy to promote the building by the firm of nuclear power plants in Saudi Arabia, said a congressional report released on Monday.

While Barrack failed in both efforts, the report provides fresh evidence of the ease with which some corporate and foreign interests have gained access to Trump and other senior members of his administration.

Documents obtained by the Democratic-led U.S. House of Representatives Oversight Committee raise “serious questions about whether the White House is willing to place the potential profits of the President’s friends above the national security of the American people and the universal objective of preventing the spread of nuclear weapons,” the report said.

The report is the second from the panel’s investigation into the plan to construct 40 nuclear power plants in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the Middle East. The plan was supported by Trump’s first national security adviser Michael Flynn, Barrack, Trump’s inaugural committee chairman, and a consortium of firms led by retired U.S. military commanders and former White House officials called IP3.

One company was Westinghouse, the only U.S. manufacturer of large reactors, which was bought out of bankruptcy by Brookfield Asset Management last August.

The report comes alongside a number of other investigations into the administration being conducted by the panel chaired by Representative Elijah Cummings - including into the use of personal texts and emails for official business by Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, and her husband, Jared Kushner.

Trump attacked Cummings, an African American from Baltimore, in weekend tweets that the president’s critics denounced as racist.

Monday’s report was based largely on thousands of documents provided by unidentified private companies. The White House, the report said, provided no documents, while other federal agencies submitted some.

[quote]If the DOJ had any suspicion that he actually sold nuclear secrets, they’d have done a lot more than seek a search warrant.

If they knew Trump took documents with nuclear information on them, the government would have done a whole lot of stuff behind the scenes that we'd never know about, like changing the nuclear codes and reassigning various missile silos and bases for different operations. I'd imagine that for security reasons they ALREADY make regular changes; it would be the nuclear version of regularly changing your passwords.

There is no reason to think that Trump didn't offer or sell nuclear secrets. There's really only two reasons for him to have gone to all this trouble to keep that information for himself: to sell or provide to others, or to keep for himself with the idea that he could use it as blackmail or a threat.

R245 the US doesn't recognize the Hague International Criminal Court. Sad!

Who in the fuck said this is easy.

No one.

You're the one jerking off to the " nothing will cum of dis".

A depraved septuagenarian who spent his entire life grifting getting away with murder makes you wet and messy and it's pathetic.

[quote]Why on earth would he be keeping nuclear documents at his home unless he was going to sell them Russia or China?

He wanted to start his own little nuclear war, and needed the instruction manual.

R4 yes but there is always a sequence , a pattern you can find. Even a former valid code can give you logic to work with.

[quote]DL isn't ready for that conversation, though. You use the phrase "both sides" and they immediately check out and plug their ears. I've all but given up. It's like you all want to be manipulated into civil war.

How's the weather in Hawaii, Tulsi?

Right-wingers self-righteously demanding the unsealing of the warrant is hypocritical and absurd. Trump himself has a copy of the warrant; he himself could make it public if he wanted to.

But he won't.

@r253, Maybe it's time you did give up. Seems we'd like to give up on you

Is this when the fat orange shitstain will fake a stroke?

[quote]I mean, is NO ONE going to question how the hell Trump got that political ad out within 12hrs of the raid?

You think Trump getting an ad out quickly means he's in on this and it's all an elaborate ruse to trick us into a civil war?

That's insane. That's disordered thinking, honestly. It doesn't make one bit of sense on any level, no matter how many times you say "you just don't get it." We don't get it because it's nonsensical.

Any ad agency can knock together a digital advertisement in a few hours these days. Random jokesters on TikTok and Twitter can do it, too. That alone makes your claim incomprehensible.

^ Do you ever shut up?

Laws? What are those?

God forgive me for using the word, but you have to at least understand that you must be mildly "retarded" if you listen to all of these Republican scumbags scream about seeing the warrant and then when Garland say "OK," you then watch Trump and his lawyers try and stop people from seeing the warrant. Is there any brain activity at all when you see that?

I mean do you get you're either very dim or just the scum of the earth? How do you rationalize being this out of it?

Angry Staffer has some good insight on this latest Trump shit tsunami.

FOX needs to be banned from the airwaves. Brian Kilmeade and FOX need to be sued into oblivion for what they just did. This fucking cunt whose sitting in for Tucker Carlson just put up a bad PS of the judge with Ghislaine Maxwell.

These people are fucking insane.

I think Trump put the documents in Anne He He’s Mini Cooper, gave her a few lines of Jr’s coke, and sent her driving. Who would suspect a former 90s lesbian/alien/now cock lover recklessly driving down the streets of LA had top secret info in her glovebox?

Eric probably controlled her car with a remote and crashed her into the house, causing everything to be destroyed when the flames took over.

And you think the mafia killing Marilyn because she knew about UFOs was a far stretch!

That's what I just posted on Facebook!

Now the U.S. must revamp its entire national defense because of orange Asshole. Everything needs to be overhauled and moving our nukes to a new location. Also have to keep in mind that the Saudis may soon have a nuclear weapon…and God knows what else.

I don’t think Trump has the actual nuclear codes. No President does. They’re contained in the nuclear football that is held by the armed service person who follows the president around. My guess is he has sensitive information on another nation’s nuclear capabilities.

I think you all are forgetting that Trump was interested in setting off a nuclear bomb inside a hurricane to stop it. He merely took the plans with him to work on this little side project!!!!

They need to nail him with this or it's flying colors for him in 2024

Game over

Trump say he won’t fight the release of the warrant

Of course he doesn’t have the nuclear codes. They change every day.

He has those documents himself! He doesn't need to wait for the Justice Department to release them!

R276, like we even needed a news story about every fucking thing we know that asshole will do. Gee, you mean after screaming for the warrant and Garland obliged, the cockroach didn't want the warrant out there?

S H O C K E R

It’s time to make it more difficult for white people - Trump’s base - to vote.

Trump’s not guilty of anything; it’s the fault of Colombian drug lords.

[quote] The Rosenberg's fried for less.

Oh dear.

[quote] Gee, you mean after screaming for the warrant and Garland obliged, the cockroach didn't want the warrant out there?

Did you read the story, r279? Or at least the headline?

Trump says he will NOT fight the release of the documents

Which means we get to see them at 3pm tomorrow

I would guess we're mostly going to see a lot of black ink redactions, hopefully a surprise or two.

[quote] Trump says he will NOT fight the release of the documents Which means we get to see them at 3pm tomorrow

No, 3pm was the deadline for him to oppose their release. He's said now he won't oppose so that will speed things up. But I won't hazard a guess as to when we will actually see them. Friday would be great though.

They waited 18 months, issued subpoenas, visited the house and the locked room with the boxes multiple times, and took a bunch of things, but not the nuclear stuff....

THEN, this past Friday they got the judge to sign the warrant, but...waited until Monday to do the raid?

That's a pretty goddamn relaxed attitude towards someone in possession of nuclear materials.

And you wonder how he keeps getting away with things?

As long as he's barred from running from office, I'll be satisfied. I highly doubt he will do any time.

for*

[quote] They waited 18 months, issued subpoenas, visited the house and the locked room with the boxes multiple times, and took a bunch of things, but not the nuclear stuff....

The first time, they asked nicely. Trump lied, so they had to come back.

All trump had to do was not hide documents and lie about it. That’s all.

Fine, r289, but they got the warrant on Friday and waited until Monday...for Nuclear secrets?

Raids are usually performed as soon as the ink is dry on the warrant.

The bullshit FBI is secretly helping him. That's the only fucking explanation both for the two day delay in the raid after the warrant AND how he gets away with absolutely EVERYTHING.

[quote]Don't forget!! Trump fired the head chief of our nuclear energy department and 2 other top national security departments DAYS after losing the election

Theft and possible conversion of NUCLEAR secrets.

This is indescribably delicious

Still,

1. so far it’s only one news outlet/source, claiming that to be the case; and,

2. if the warrant and (redacted) inventory are released, the N word may not be publicly visible

Regardless, ultimately, he’s FUCKED

R253 1. It is known that the National Archives ,through the DOJ , tried to retrieve the documents earlier this year. --- Trump refused -> The element of willfulness is here. 2. It was reported that some of the documents still had their "Classified" coversheets in tact. Even if they did not, those documents are almost always stamped "Classified" --- The element that these documents are classified is here 3. The President does not have the unilateral power to declassify ALL forms of classified data. He/She has the power to classify a broad swath . In the matter of Nuclear Secrets he /she does not. Even declassification must be signed off on in advance. So if he doesn't have an order requesting all the documents he kept, he's fucked. --- Atomic Energy Act and The Espionage Act.

[R253]

1. It is known that the National Archives ,through the DOJ , tried to retrieve the documents earlier this year.

-- Trump refused -> The element of willfulness is here.

2. It was reported that some of the documents still had their "Classified" coversheets in tact. Even if they did not, those documents are almost always stamped "Classified"

--- The element that these documents are classified is here

3. The President does not have the unilateral power to declassify ALL forms of classified data. He/She has the power to classify a broad swath . In the matter of Nuclear Secrets he /she does not. Even declassification must be signed off on in advance. So if he doesn't have an order requesting all the documents he kept, he's fucked.

--- Atomic Energy Act and The Espionage Act.

R267, there's nothing wrong with calling stupid people retarded because they are.

Better yet, call them a retarded spaz

Never Trumper Tom Nichols:

is it possible Trump was stupid enough to think he could sell classified info?

Sure. He's an idiot.

But trying to prove this when you have him for mishandling classified info is overshooting the mark. This story is super-bad *as it stands*

I said the other day that Trump stole something that he was selling to the highest bidder which is why the Saudi's suddenly became interested in Golf.

[quote]The first time, they asked nicely. Trump lied, so they had to come back.

They asked nicely SEVERAL times. We knew the day he left the White House that there were boxes of documents leaving the building that probably shouldn't have been taken, there were photos on Twitter of it. (Also, staff were taking little souvenirs like busts of Lincoln and such.) The National Archives was asking for those documents back throughout 2021. I believe it was the very beginning of 2022 when he sent about 2/3rds of the documents back to them, but he sued to keep the remaining documents, saying they were bits of speeches and notes and such that were his to keep because he had executive privilege. In hindsight, it's pretty obvious that he had more than personal notes.

SCOTUS ruled that no, he did not have executive privilege, which wasn't unexpected, since they'd ruled the same about Nixon decades ago when HE wanted to keep documents away from the public eye. Trump didn't return the documents even after the SCOTUS ruling, so the FBI came around this summer and took some of them, quietly, but now we know that they quickly realized that they still didn't have them all.

If you didn't know any of this, that's because the media didn't really publicize much of this at all. They made the SCOTUS case out to be about executive privilege and often articles barely mentioned it was actually about the documents. I don't think we heard much of anything about the June FBI seizure, either.

The Tom Nichols of the media are responsible for normalizing the bad behaviors of an unsuitable presidential candidate who turned out even worse than we can imagine.

Let me remind you this, "nothingburger" is created by a man who for the first time in American history dishonored the peaceful transition of power and make himself President for life.

Stop carrying water for this freak.

[quote] If you didn't know any of this, that's because the media didn't really publicize much of this at all. They made the SCOTUS case out to be about executive privilege and often articles barely mentioned it was actually about the documents. I don't think we heard much of anything about the June FBI seizure, either.

Why is this, R299?

I'm even more distrusting of the mainstream news media now.

Wouldn't it benefit them in viewership, to report a huge story like this?

I couldn't even guess as to why the media wasn't all over this. It could simply be because they'd covered the National Archive story so much in 2021 that by 2022, they just didn't think it would get enough attention to make it profitable for them.

Not long after Trump gave back some of the documents in January 2022, there were articles like this one that mention he had torn up documents and staff had to tape them back together, but they bury the part about the documents only just having been returned, and that the documents were being reviewed by the Jan 6 committee.

Seriously, if you read this article, the most important stuff is at the bottom, while the least important stuff -- the cutesy "aw, he tore things up, they had to scotch tape it back together again" -- is the headline. It's baffling.

"it is bad but not that bad, you're overshooting the mark".

Fuck you trolls.

It's worse than we can imagine.

As the FBI Seizes Clinton’s Server, Her E-mail Scandal Enters a More Serious Phase

[quote]R299: If you didn't know any of this, that's because the media didn't really publicize much of this at all... I don't think we heard much of anything about the June FBI seizure, either.

Depends on who you watch. Rachel covered it.

^ Everything the right says comes back to bite them in the ass, they don't care, their base has the attention span of a MAGAt

^for r304

I like Rachel but she also overuses hyperbole, R305.

Trump Officials Tried To Rush Nuclear Technology To Saudis, House Panel Finds

Heard on All Things Considered Tim Mak in 2018.

I'm not sure they found everything. Trump said he would release the warrant and implied that things had been "planted". He seems a little too confidant at the moment. I know that they were looking for more than they found the first day but don't know if they found more.

Garland was nominated to be the next Supreme Court justice, but Mitchel McConnell refused to hold a hearing and after his election, Donald Trump replaced the Garland nomination with someone from his own list. Now, the slow and steady AG Garland who has been absorbing so much criticism is getting the last laugh and achieving sweet justice. This is incredible.

DIG HER UP

R312 is joking but I was thinking yesterday about how nice it would be if they found out he'd cheaped out on Ivana's grave and just tossed her into the basement without paying to actually have her buried, because that's the one thing I could think of that would actually, finally, completely ruin Trump.

I wonder if he is so confidant because he has already given the Saudi's all the info. I wonder if the 2 billion given to Jared was for Trump and the billion given to Mnuchin was for Trump because you know he never directly touches anything. He would also make a deal that they had something to do with his beloved golf because it is what he lives for.

TL;DR all. If Dump took these classified documents, he’s definitely dumb enough to think he could leverage it against the DOJ itself and our country. I can’t believe for what other purpose he thought stealing this information could benefit him in some way. And if he in fact already sold the info to a foreign hostile country, why the hell would he keep this evidence at Mar A Lago? The depths of his insanity in simply inconceivable at this point.

Have Ivanka & Jared chimed in at all? Maybe too busy packing up…

[quote]R308: I like Rachel but she also overuses hyperbole, R305.

Have you examples of such? Because that reads like a typical Fox-watcher's response to comparisons between the outputs of the two networks, Fox and MSNBC, or between anchors, like Tucker and Rachel. 'Everything Tucker says is a lie!' 'Yeah, well, Rachel uses hyperbole.' Fox watchers always accuse Rachel of emotional histrionics, which is never actually the case.

'Hyperbole' cannot factor in to any significant degree as to whether she covered a story or not, like the first removals of boxes from Mara-Lago. It's just the facts.

heads up. watch for an exodus to Saudi Arabia by multiple people.

Trump would have never had access to launch codes unless a decision was made to approve a launch. The nuclear football (the briefcase the codes are kept in) isn't just laying around the White House in case it's needed. And even if the codes got into the hands of some foreign power it would have done them no good. There are multiple safeguards to prevent an unauthorized launch of nuclear weapons. And obviously the launch codes would be changed when a POTUS leaves office, and maybe even at times during his presidency.

If Trump took classified documents about nuclear weapons it probably was documents that included a diagram showing were every nuclear missile silo was located. If some rogue foreign power decided to launch against us they'd probably want to aim their missiles at all those sites, not that it would much good because we would have already launched our missiles.

Maybe he decided to go full Bond Villain and kept the documents with the intent of threatening the US with nuclear attack if he wasn't re-elected.

Has he recently purchased a fuzzy white cat, by chance?

[quote]Brian Kilmeade and FOX need to be sued into oblivion for what they just did. This fucking cunt whose sitting in for Tucker Carlson just put up a bad PS of the judge with Ghislaine Maxwell.

He also read part of the Post story aloud to Lara Trump and turned it into a joke: "Did you see any nuclear reports at the Mar-a-Lago club, maybe around the pool, by the lifeguard stand?" She said "of course not."

People keep forgetting the 1.1 billion for Jared from the Qataris.

Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund should benefit the citizens. ahahahahahahaha it will be sucked into global finance and disappear to the .001%

I don't think there are any U.S. "nuclear secrets" that are plainly written on a physical document. I really don't think there are paper documents for anything important anymore. If they had confiscated hard drives it would make much more sense.

I wouldn't be so sure. Paper could be reports to government leaders, many who are ancient, and luddites. The ballistic arsenal is antiquated. Who knows what it runs on. Up until recently there were government agencies still functioning by fax.

I also think that Trump could have played the FBI. They got 12 boxes of documents this time, but they might consist of "Every good boy deserves fudge" "Person. Woman. Man Camera. TV" and "Fuck the FBI"

R324 You seriously think the government widely disseminates digital copies of highly sensitive material to everyone who needs to see it? You don't think the government prints documents for certain briefings that are later (supposed to be) collected?

I'm sure the FBI would've taken a video of their search. MAL security cameras were on too. If they find nuclear docs is unlikely that can say they were planted.

I would think there would be ink and paper copies of nuclear information just in case of, you know, a nuclear event. Also, they probably keep paper "eyes only" copies of items that they don't want stored on ANY database for any reason.

[quote]I was thinking yesterday about how nice it would be if they found out he'd cheaped out on Ivana's grave and just tossed her into the basement without paying to actually have her buried, because that's the one thing I could think of that would actually, finally, completely ruin Trump.

I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if he had her bumped off.

Sure R325, the FBI just grabbed boxes labeled "Kofidensul" in black sharpie and never bothered tp check they has the SPECIFIED documents they were searching for. They spent the remaining 9 hours at Maga-Mago sipping cheap champaign and dodging bedbugs.

What is going on with all this stupid today?

What's Trump got to lose, now that he has lost his only love in life, daughter Ivanka.

Oh no he's got the locations of our missile silos! That's super top secret!

I want to see the warrant.

President Trump only removed America's nuclear secrets for protection! They are safe now in his hands. Only should the FBI and the Deep State move against him would he be forced to sell them to a foreign power. They had better keep that in mind!

Interesting dialogue about Dump’s obvious threat to our national security.

Just wild speculation here (but isn't all of this wild speculation?), but given the connection to the Middle East/Saudis, maybe what Trump was selling was not just US nuclear capabilities, but also those of Israel so the Saudis could fulfill their long dream of wiping Israel off the map.

Heroic God Emperor Trump has been made a victimisation by Commie Nazi Deep State. Please imprecate the Lord Jesus for protection and smite of his enemie!

[quote]I was thinking yesterday about how nice it would be if they found out he'd cheaped out on Ivana's grave and just tossed her into the basement without paying to actually have her buried, because that's the one thing I could think of that would actually, finally, completely ruin Trump.

If it turns out Trump has hidden documents in Ivana's grave, this is officially my best year ever.

[quote] . I know that they were looking for more than they found the first day but don't know if they found more.

How would you know this?

I like you LaTarsha. I really like you!

R337 that would be amazing, but wouldn't the FBI's alleged informant have told them to make sure to dig up the grave?

[quote] THEN, this past Friday they got the judge to sign the warrant, but...waited until Monday to do the raid?

They were waiting for him to be in NYC for his NYAG deposition so he wouldn't be at MAL at the time.

^ Gee, I guess that would have been awkward 😏

INDICT HIM

The person who keeps bringing up that "the FBI waited 18 months" in all these threads is not only factually wrong about that, but has a history of making sideways comments about Democrats in political threads. I don't believe they're really just a "concerned citizen" with questions about the FBI's motives.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

When law enforcement confiscates valuable government property stolen by a rich white man, they're jackbooted thugs. When they're crushing the airway of an ordinary Black citizen who offended them by not being sufficiently deferential, they're the thin blue line that protects us all from being murdered in our beds!

Now OP the FBI has not disclosed what was in the files Dipwad took. The nuclear stuff is just speculation at this point in time.

I'm in Great Britain, r344. We are famous for our "sideways comments" on nearly everything. That is, in fact, a very decent way to describe our communication in general.

I'm a conservative party member, yes, which means I'm smack in the middle, in terms of American politics.

I know you want everyone to be the Same.

I know you need that to make yourself feel better about Whatever and In Control.

Sorry, r344. i'l keep posting exactly what I think on here, as I have for over 20 years.

This whole thing is weird, it doesn't make sense, it isn't plausible.

Trump seems to be directing the whole situation and the nuclear security aspect just seems fantastical and, honestly, sounds like something Trump would make up.

How come you didn’t capitalize white? ^

He is just so stupid. And he watches too much TV. I hope they fry is fat ass beyond recognition. It'll be fun to see him waddling around in prison wear with no make up, hair products, coloring or stylists or shoe lifts.

R346, that is.

R348 what you keep posting is bullshit. Archives asked the DOJ to intervene about the missing documents earlier this year. The FBI has not been "waiting18 months."

Mary Trump said Garland is playing chess and Uncle Donald is playing checkers. She said he didn’t expect Garland to be a ninja

Well, if it worked for the Rosenbergs, why not TFG?

R353, I forgot that in October 2021 Trump actually sued the National Archives to stop it from taking the documents. He’s been obstructive from the very beginning.

We don't keep nuclear secrets in the National Archives.

Well, I know I keep mine there.

R357, my was Trump wasn’t just sitting there with boxes full of WH documents while no one did anything. He very much wanted to keep everything he’d taken. And any delay certainly does not justify him keeping documents that were stolen.

My first thought when I heard about sensitive documents was that they are either nuclear related and contain significant espionage information.

R357, with every post you demonstrate further you have no idea what you're talking about.

It was Archives that alerted DOJ that Trump had classified documents and that some may be highly sensitive. Which they discovered while fighting with him to return the records that they are responsible for keeping.

The National Archives absolutely holds classified documents and information in their Information Security Oversight Office.

This is who white people elected, and most would elect him again even after this.

R362 They aren't responsible for the highly sensitive stuff, though, which is what everyone is speculating this is about. But this issue of what NARA is responsible for is all a distraction--the issue is they pulled DOJ in when they could say with 100% certainty that Trump's violation of the Presidential Records Act was willful AND when they learned he was on top of that illegally harboring classified, including highly sensitive, material.

The people in this thread who keep posting nonsense are just MAGAts trying to sow confusion--because that's all Trump has left now. If you don't understand what happened, it's hard to be angry about it.

[quote]FOX needs to be banned from the airwaves.

Fox is a cable network and therefore not on "the airwaves."

Will the US Embassy of France raid Mar-a-Lardass to get back its stolen decor?

WaPo's source said they were looking for "classified documents relating to nuclear weapons" and I have no reason not to believe them.

Obviously, we're not going to know the most sensitive stuff. They've already told us that they can't even describe some of the documentation because it's too sensitive. We saw someone enter 3 new sealed entries in the warrant docket as we waited for Garland to speak yesterday, so we know we'll never see that information, either.

Even if the information that's being speculated about isn't handled by the National Archives, the search warrant was reported to be broad, and they could have been looking for (and found) the classified nuclear information while they were looking for items the National Archive reported were missing.

What I'm saying is that there is no reason, right now, to automatically discount the very real possibility that Trump had sensitive nuclear information in the documentation that was seized.

R23 Wishful thinking. Call me when this fucker is rotting in jail. Im numb. They don’t call him Teflon Don for nothing. If he does do time, this is what will spark the civil war everyone is willing into existence.

“everyone,” or just R368

R363 Blacks and Latinos love Trump. Get over yourself. The whitey schtick is tired. Grow up and open your eyes. His minority base is stronger than ever. Machismo Black and Latino men love him. Trump was a malatov cocktail thrown at the two-party system who has failed us time and time again. The US gov is responsible for Trump and if you don’t see this you are too short-sighted to even be weighing in on the topic.

"Teflon Don" is John Gotti's nickname. Trump doesn't have one of his own.

R369 I don’t have a twitter or a facebook. I only post here and never have said anything about a civil war. Its a trending topic on those platforms. Try again.

Boris @ R370 I’m a little surprised that you misspelled “Molotov”

R367 WaPo makes up insane bullshit all the time.

I don't believe this story. Something is obviously going on, God knows what the truth is.

I certainly don't believe that we have devastating national secrets typed up on pieces of paper, and that those pieces of paper are curated by the National Archives so that they are easily accessible. Not to mention that multiple federal employees would have to know what's on the paper and which papers aren't accounted for. Seems like a pretty elementary security flaw.

We'll see what happens, I predict that this will get exponentially stupider and weirder as time goes on and the cover story will make less and less sense as the days pass.

R368 Here. I never understood Trump until recently when I acquired a new business partner on a joint endeavor. The guy is a complete sociopathic, anti-social, NPD monster. Like Trump, he told you everything you wanted to hear to get what he wanted, monetarily, while never intending to deliver on promises. He has no empathy and does not relate to humans. Money is what he eats, sleeps and breathes and will stop at nothing to get more. It gave me a better understanding of how Trump works and was a reminder that people this vile do walk among us.

R373 You are either a bot or an idiot

R370 is stuck in 2016.

[quote] R369 I don’t have a twitter or a facebook. I only post here and never have said anything about a civil war. Its a trending topic on those platforms. Try again.

Of course you don't. You're on Yandex, Gab, and Truth Social.

R371 Donny Boy, Teflon Don, the Magnificent Bastard, the Orange Man, the God Emperor of the United States, Cheetolini, Daddy Trump, Wall Street Don, "Ultra MAGA King."

I'm glad you're getting use out of your Word-A-Day calendar, r374, but posting that you think this is all faked to take Trump down and always signing it as "bemused" is pretty lame.

[quote]Machismo Black and Latino men love him.

Throw Arabs into that too. Living in Michigan, I see it. Which is not good for gays.

[QUOTE] WaPo makes up insane bullshit all the time.

Give us examples of this happening. We’ll wait.

r374 John Brennan explained this all last night on television: some information about our nuclear program is so sensitive that he could it see while working as Deputy National Security Advisor, but when he moved to head up the CIA he no longer had access.

This information is not typed up on computers and put into the system. It is so sensitive it *IS* kept on paper under some kind of advanced protective system. You see them, it goes back under lock and key, and only a handful of people have access. Except under trump, when he gave traitor Michael Flynn access to everying, and traitor Nazi Steve Bannon access to everything, and traitor Jared Kushner access to everything, and probably Ivanka, and Kash Patel had access, and literal foreign agent John Solomon had access, and anyone who wondered down to the basement at Mar-a-Logo, including, probably, the Chinese spy arrested there had access to these documents.

WaPo didn't make up shit.

I ignore these drive-by damage control trolls and never look back. For all I know, they may be on Ronna McDaniel's payroll.

Lots of desperate Trump supporters posting nonsense in a frenzy.

This is from the latest NYT article on this:

"Mr. Garland provided no details. But the person briefed on the matter [ie NYT's source] said investigators had been concerned about material from what the government calls “special access programs,” a designation that is typically reserved for extremely sensitive operations carried out by the United States abroad or for closely held technologies and capabilities."

So, not codes. Damaging stuff.

The article also says that although Trump is not opposing release of the warrant, "The Justice Department did not seek to release the affidavits — which contain much more information about the behavior of Mr. Trump and evidence presented by others — that were used to obtain the warrant." It looks like the inventory of items taken during the search will be released, but they may be described in quite general terms, for obvious reasons.

People need to stop with the "codes." The nuclear codes aren't just a bunch of numbers anyone can call into a special line and recite and gets some warheads launched. "Selling the nuclear codes" is not a thing except in silly old B spy movies.

This likely involves programs the public has no clue even exist.

NYTs owns its share in this ongoing disgrace. His psychosis was normalized and Hillary's flaws magnified. Hills received their endorsement but she was diminished in every way.

[quote]For all I know, they may be on Ronna McDaniel's payroll.

Ronna's not going to have much of a payroll left with the legal bills Trump is running up.

[quote]This likely involves programs the public has no clue even exist.

During his presidency didn't he mention publicly that the U.S. had tech no one knew about?

I wonder how much RNC needs to pay for his espionage defence? I hope his criminality bankrupts them.

R388 the NYTimes is ground zero of this disgrace. Looking back on their 2015-6 headlines is like looking back on their "Hitler is really a big softie playing hard" coverage.

The point I make over and over in talking about Trump: ‘He wants music to play when he walks in the room, he wants to get high & hit on women, Jared & Vanky want to rule the world’ if this was obvious to me on ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ it clearly has occurred to USA Intel.@GOP

As long as NYTimes is employing Ross Asshats of the journalistic world, they're complicit.

Between Hillary emailing risotto recipes from a private server and Trump selling our nuclear secrets, neither side seems to care much about protecting important information.

Re: codes.

You're missing the point.

Classified intel was removed without authorization to an unsecured location.

That intel was bought and paid for by American taxpayers. It belongs to you and me. We aren't permitted to see it but a slobbering third rate mafia Don is?

Question is—will he get away with this?? He seems to get away with every fucking thing, no matter how heinous (like trying to start a civil war and overthrow democracy). When will this human shit stain face accountability?

[quote]Trump say he won’t fight the release of the warrant

I won't be at all surprised if his attorneys say something completely different to the court.

For those posting about why Anusmouth would keep nuclear or similar top secret information at his abode, after or during a sale, I will tell you: so he could brag about it. So he could show off.

Just like his garish homes, with all of the "gold". The trophy wives. The constant bigging up of himself, about his hands (small), his penis (miniscule), his intellect (lacking), his staff (henious Nazis), his policies (lol), and etcetera.

He kept them to say he had the power to just take them, that he was so important that no one could make him give them back, HE DOES WHAT HE WANTS!!!!!

[quote] Machismo Black and Latino men love him. [quote] Throw Arabs into that too. Living in Michigan, I see it. Which is not good for gays.

But please don't forget the gays -- from Miss Lindzey to Thiel to Josh Hawley to Log Cabin flamers. All manner of closeted, bearding and/or self-loathing gay men who love Dump and the Trumpanzees.

Like Gotti, Trump gets away with the worst stuff because there are plenty of powerful people with a vested interest in helping him get away with it. They finally got Gotti when he got too arrogant and pissed off someone powerful enough to hurt him.

So the question is what will be the thing that Trump goes too far with and pisses off just the right person, and when. This might be it, but we might not know for a while.

[quote] I'm in Great Britain, r344. We are famous for our "sideways comments" on nearly everything. That is, in fact, a very decent way to describe our communication in general.

Then go talk about which one of the two train wrecks is more suitable to lead your party instead of worrying about stabbings in NYC, defending Trump and starting anti-trans threads. Your babushka is showing, comrade.

Please stop rewarding the minorities love Trump troll. 85% of Trump voters in 2020 were non-Hispanic whites. That number was 88% for Romney in 2012.

@r402, Brits can't help themselves, they are the nosiest, most opinionated people on earth. Never mind how screwed-up their own government is, let's talk about YOUR government

Nuclear codes are changed periodically, so if he had them they are changed when presidency changed. Sensitive nuclear weapon information is more likely the problem.

I will now take this as an admission that Trump took 33 million documents releated to the word nuclear.

He has to go to prison. I see no other way forward for our country. If he skates by, they will indeed come back and hit us even harder. He absolutely must be held accountable, and yes, I’ll take a technicality a la Capone/mail fraud.

* related

R406 That's the best thing about MAGAt trolls--their Dear Leader always ruins their spin.

Stop being stupid. All this talk about the "nuclear codes" when, as we learned in high school, those codes are change at least once a day. If the shitgibbon had nuclear codes back in January 2021, they have been changed hundreds of timese since them.

What he took with him was information on two things we know of: Nuclear weapons systems and a lot of info about that shit, and secondly SIGINT. This is Signal Intelligence.It is the technology that we use to spy. World leaders, etc.

Now he is close to Putin. He supports him over Ukraine. Who do you think might benefit from SIGNINT and Nuclear weapons ystems information? And yeah, maybe the Saudis are part of this. MBS was in cahoots with Putin too. MBS has been lusting after that stuff for a while.

R410, you notice that with his cockroaches? They keep saying "He didn't take nuclear CODES!"

No one said that,Trump scum.

I've seen several people say "stop being stupid and talking about the codes" on the thread recently, but I haven't seen anyone mention the possibility that Trump had "the codes" for over 12 hours.

R412, on SM, that's the latest Trump defense. They keep using "code" like everyone is accusing him of that. They're doing what they always do: Fling their shit everywhere and pretend their opponents did it.

Putin would certainly like to know where in Europe NATO tactical nuclear weapons are deployed and how (or if) they would be used if he were to, say, invade the Baltic countries or use his own tactical nukes in Ukraine if the war keeps dragging on. That info is far more valuable than ever changing codes.

@r410, "Stop being stupid."

Only if you stop being an asshole, deal?

Are there even goal posts to move at this point with deplorables? There is literally nothing they won't excuse with this scumbag.

***He wasn't supposed to take a fucking thing*** NOTHING WAS HIS TO TAKE.

FBI agents found dozens of classified documents during their search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago on Monday.

Sources say there were “boxes everywhere,” with some containing Top Secret Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI). Those are considered some of the highest level of classified documents.

Since the documents are so secretive, it’s unknown whether investigators will ever publicly acknowledge what they’re in reference to, let alone release them.

Schematics, lists of weapons or hardware purchases, names, bases where certain operations are centralized, all of it would be useful to adversaries.

Years ago when I was new to Twitter, about 2008 or 2009, I mentioned to a friend that there was military equipment on a train that I had to stop for in the middle of the night, as I was coming home from an ER visit. Someone I had never seen before asked me for photos and descriptions. That was an eye-opener for me as to what information others might want.

Would the Jan 6th committee be able to see those documents, or would a Representative even have the kind of clearance needed to see them? I'm assuming not.

[quote]FBI agents found dozens of classified documents during their search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago on Monday.

Yeah, well, Hillary sent a risotto recipe on an unsecured server!

I am convinced he's learned his lesson and will not sell any more classified information to American's enemies.

Nuculer is a no no!

Is that from the NYT Pitchbot account on Twitter, R420? Because if it isn't, well, it should be.

R420, you think you're joking, but his asshole flying monkeys think that's worse.

Congress has procedures for briefings and hearings that involve highly classified information. None of it will be part of the Jan. 6 hearings, but they may, for example, accept a report from the Committee on Armed Services regarding the issue.

Oh, Pitchbot is all over this. He's worked the risotto in and he has a bunch of other good ones.

And a Pitchbot protégé:

Trump takes more pains to hide his tax returns than classified info about nuclear weapons.

R400 We're getting awfully close to saying "everybody."

Could you imagine why he has these? Either it's complete stupidity (which is sadly believable) or this imbecile would use them as leverage to keep funds flowing to him from foreign sources.

Sorry, either way it's complete stupidity.

From r426, "He could nuke somebody on Fifth Avenue and people would still vote for him"

😂

From the link at R417:

[quote]Investigators discovered classified documents in two areas: Trump’s personal office above a ballroom and in a storage room near the pool.

A storage room near the pool!

Well, it's not like DJT was gonna swim any laps.

I admire his use of wasted space.

R433

BREAKING: Donald Trump panics after it's revealed that the FBI was looking for nuclear secrets at Mar-a-Lago — insists that the "nuclear weapons issue is a hoax" and "sleazy people" were "involved" and the FBI may have been "planting information." RT IF YOU THINK HE'S GUILTY!

R434 is just as annoying as the people who announce they’ve “ignored” a poster.

[quote]Since the documents are so secretive, it’s unknown whether investigators will ever publicly acknowledge what they’re in reference to, let alone release them.

And there's the rub: Garland & Wray cannot publicly concede how badly Trump comprised security, while Trump denies, says the stuff was his, it's a bunch of Obama lies (probably his real birth certificate!). And on and on it goes. I think it will take years to learn the full extent to which he damaged security, though considering how at odd Trump was with the intel community, there seems to be ample reason to believe they actively hid information from the Trumpies for this very reason.

As far as the argument that helps Trump because this just gives him another cross to carry: anyone who believed his bullshit was already in his camp, already energized, ready to meet his call, blah blah blah. Probably the people this *really* pisses off is DeSantis, Cruz & all other wannabes that want to stop talking about TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP and talk about themselves!

Reminder: she warned us.

It would be more exciting if they found records of all the abortions he's caused (or were done on family members), a lengthy compilation of Melania's STD test results over the decades, and prescriptions for industrial-strength Viagra.

[quote] I think it will take years to learn the full extent to which he damaged security

It only took a few hours for the nuclear revelation to leak. The rest of it will leak eventually, and probably sooner rather than later. Too many ace DC reporters on the story for the details not to leak.

October is just a few weeks away.

R378 You are a smug fucking moron and the reason right wing fascism will take this country over. Fuck you, Scum.

I'm so tired of people always focusing on the wrong things with this fucking asshole. Stop focusing on WHY he had anything. He had no right TO have anything. Whether for his ego or to sell or just because he felt entitled, doesn't matter. He stole things that didn't belong to him.

Oy...

Thank you, r443.

Trump must have had a real dilemma holding all that top secret information: Sell them outright or blackmail?

NOT mutually exclusive r447.

R446, and in your psychotic world, he should be given power. This stupid, scummy, anti-American, orange thing who knows less than shit about being intelligent or decent or a million other things, is just a normal person to you. So you have less than no standards for a person, let along president.

MAGA TRASH ALERT MAGA TRASH ALERT MAGA TRASH ALERT - ASILE R446

alone*

[quote]It's about trying to prevent him from running again.

Which is just about the most noble pursuit I can imagine.

Yes, that's why NARA and then DOJ gave him chance after chance after chance. To stop him from running again.

Obviously, his followers and defenders have to pivot to do damage control (like mentioned nuclear codes, derail the thread with grammar nazi drama, etc.).

That clip at R443 - MBS just looks at him (who looks so FAT in that video) like "where's my fucking bone saw?"

Just a little trip down memory lane:

be prepared. Trump is going to do whatever he has to do to get himself out of this including destroying America. He may not be President anymore but sure does still have a lot of control over powerful people.

If any such damaging info was seized, they'll simply claim that it was never in his possession - therefore planted. That can be their only plan.

R21 & R8 😂😂😂 Ha!

[quote]be prepared. Trump is going to do whatever he has to do to get himself out of this including destroying America.

Well, we already know that - he's a made a couple of good faith attempts. But this latest event shows that despite what he thinks or how bellows & whines, law enforcement can & will act. So he might think he can wait out all of these hearings, but he's looking increasingly mortal every day.

the planted claim isn't going to work because Trump was able to watch the search live from the cameras in Mar-a-lago

Good one, r456!

sorry, meant and R88

Hills was and is right about everything. This is an infuriating trait and makes her unlikable. A lowlife idiot like dump is a soothing reminder that at least I'm not that bad!

"Also included in the list was information about the “President of France."

I hope that Republican asshole everyone loves now Tom Nichols keeps yelling at Democrats that Trump is too stupid to sell info and he probably just took these papers accidentally. That info about the President of France, whichever one it turns out to be, surely wasn't taken for blackmail purposes or to sell to the highest bidder.

Highly classified documents were taken from Mar-a-Lago, the Wall Street Journal reports.

meant and R88

It looks like the WSJ has seen the list of items the FBI took with them:

[quote]FBI agents who searched former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home Monday removed 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked as top secret and meant to be only available in special government facilities, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. The Federal Bureau of Investigation agents took around 20 boxes of items, binders of photos, a handwritten note and the executive grant of clemency for Mr. Trump’s ally Roger Stone, a list of items removed from the property shows. Also included in the list was information about the “President of France,” according to the three-page list. The list is contained in a seven-page document that also includes the warrant to search the premises which was granted by a federal magistrate judge in Florida.

I'm so disgusted by this. It's even worse than I imagined and we are not done with this bullshit

SPY magazine called it back in the 80s

The Onion called it

[quote]Hills was and is right about everything.

The only thing Hillary got wrong was that she underestimated the size of that basket of deplorables.

R469, he tried to destroy this country in every way he could imagine: he blew up international agreements, tried to undermine NATO, attempted a coup, and stole highly classified information on the way out the door. And that was after a lifetime of other criminal behavior.

More good news: A New York State judge has ruled a criminal fraud and tax evasion prosecution against the Trump Organization and its former CFO, Allen Weisselberg, can proceed.

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R474 It all may not technically qualify as "Christmas in July", but it's pretty darn close for me!

A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons.”

I'm not linking to Breitbart, but the warrant shows one thing Trump is under investigation for is violating the Espionage Act.

The fact that we're seeing such effort put into obscuring the seriousness of this tells me the Extreme Right is definitely in collusion with foreign actors, like the Russians, the Saudis, North Koreans and Chinese, as well as Iran, and they're all having a ball fucking us over again with lies disinformation and misdirection. IMO the real beneficiaries are RUssia and the Saudis. Saudis have wanted this info since at least 2018. They have been begging Trump to share the technology. It was publicly commented on back then.

R478, holy crap!

NARA is sick of Trump's bullshit:

It's Espionage Act, obstruction and destroying documents.

Doubt Trump will ever go to jail. He'll keep procedurally delaying and appealing and counter-suing. Then if he can't cut a deal with somebody to avoid serious jail-time criminal prosecution, I believe he'll flee the country. I'm sure he's got money squirreled away overseas and there are plenty of countries that wouldn't let him be extradited. What does he care if it leaves his family, all his supporters and Republican party in the lurch? He has no principles except self-preservation.

Trump leaked to get ahead of the story... and dox the FBI agents.

R297 THIS!! His “motivation” for taking them is another story for another day. What the ever-loving FUCK was he doing taking classified documents with him to his private residence in the first place? That alone is so beyond the pale it staggers the mind.

He not only took them but he wouldn't give some of them back!

[quote] It's Espionage Act, obstruction and destroying documents.

R482 Perfect qualifications for the next Republican nominee for President! (It’s sarcasm, folks)

R486, he always think he can cut a deal. "I'll pay you half of what I owe you" was his business model.

I don't care what this is about, Just want to see trumps hair stand on end when they throw the switch.

R487 It's funny because it's true.

I guess you can be shocked, r485, but are you really surprised?

R442, you sound a bit triggered and unhinged. Does FBI have some reason to knock on your door, too, you right wing snowflake?

[quote]The fact that we're seeing such effort put into obscuring the seriousness of this tells me the Extreme Right is definitely in collusion with foreign actors, like the Russians

You think, r479?

George Conway🌻 @gtconway3d

anyone been having this thing this week where every couple of hours you see some headline that makes you feel you need to lie down

Martina Navratilova @Martina Replying to @gtconway3d

Wel, you can thank your self for some of that

Taken from Twitter

Trump missing boxes probe timeline

Quoted from the now-closed FBI Executes Search Warrant thread:

[quote]It's very *very* possible that Brietbart did not realize they were confirming it involved espionage.

@emptywheel:

Trump was violating the Espionage Act in December 2021, when he had 27 boxes of documents with a bunch of classified docs.

He was violating it in June 2022, when he released another handful.

He was violating it on Monday, when there were boxes more of it.

Here are the unsealed documents

R496, that was me--and I'm even more convinced with their backtracking update.

(And they're lying of course. Trump did NOT have blanket authority to declassify everything even when he was president, and he had no authority when he was no longer.)

So the new move is "he declassified them." anything he took, he just announce she declassified.

So the defense is like playing tag and some asshole kid who constantly gets tagged "it" just keeps claiming he's not "it" because anything he touches was "home"

announces* he

There aren't even any goalposts left to move anymore. It's literally just "He can do what he wants, shut up."

That bitch lawyer of Trump's who went on Fox the other night saying they weren't given copies of anything signed the damned receipts more than once. Literally signed the receipt.

A president can't just point to a box of documents and say, These are now all unclassified. There is a step by step process. Also, if the information is a national security risk, anybody involve can interject to the proper authorities and it will be challenged.

That lawyer needs to be disbarred. She's a fucking shit.

[quote]That bitch lawyer of Trump's who went on Fox the other night saying they weren't given copies of anything signed the damned receipts more than once. Literally signed the receipt.

ABA Code of Ethics:

In the course of representing a client a lawyer shall not knowingly:

(a) make a false statement of material fact or law to a third person

Disbar her!

Documents to do with atomic weapons can NEVER be declassified.

It doesn't matter who is president at the time.

CNN Alert: Trump being investigated under Espionage Act.

LOL, just asking questions!

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

A friend just told me the consensus on MSNBC is Jared ratted him Donald because they caught him selling nuclear info to the Saudis.

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy

I love that thread, R509:

"Karen Stands With Ukraine: Warrant was served on 8/8/22 which ads up to 38 and the 38th POTUS was Ford. JFK was shot in a Lincoln. Lincoln and Fords are both cars and presidents. So DeS is working with JFKJr who is a double agent against Trump and is coming back to run on the presidential ticket with DeS."

It's more likely they made a deal with the Saudis. Jared got 2 billion from them.

Seth Abramson wrote about this plot back in 2019.

Federal judge finds probable cause to believe he committed ESPIONAGE.

Repugs are fairly quiet, I wonder why?

R507, you say that like Trump knew anything about being president. The motherfucker literally thinks he was king and could just order people killed or arrested or just use and abuse every govt agency.

The IRS was used to go after McCabe and Comey, though. That was no coincidence.

R516, working on new talking points.

Or, maybe, they are looking for a fixer who can make "problems disappear".

Your orange blob king is going down, MAGAts. 😘

The "both sides" troll needs to STFU.

We do have one party, although still on the side of the rich, that is conspicuously less corrupt than the Rethuglicans.

CUNT

Are there enough eggs in existence to cover the faces of the entire GOP, Fox News, Newsmax, Right Wing talk radio, etc.?

You'd never find any at the grocery store for months.

R511 that just feels too good to be true.

R517 Unless there are red flags, the IRS randomly chooses people to audit. The odds of getting audited is about 1 out of 100. The odds of both McCabe and Comey being audited at random; 1 out of 10,000.

Right wing trolls are paid to try to distract and confuse us. Block and report.

R521 that would be a dream come true if his own garbage family turned him in.

According to NBC local news, NBC and other news media have the warrant and other docs. But I can't find a link online to the docs themselves. Anybody got one?

R528 the link is at R498. There's nothing more than what's been reported.

Hang Trump!

Thanks, r529. Sorry I can't keep up anymore.

Saudi's at the golf tournament obviously were the highest bidders...(outbidding Putin and the Israeli's.)

Whistle-blowers in 2019 were trying to warn that Trump was giving nuclear info to Saudi Arabia

r522 That info in incorrect, NBC obtained the warrant as well.

I love that Macron lives rent free in his head.

How the fuck did the Trumps get so crazy??? How the fuck was Donald Fuckin Trump EVER POTUS?????? 😂😂😂 Must have all been a master plan from the time he first announced his candidacy. When he won, how many of you said to yourselves "Donald Trump is POTUS" with a look of total astonishment and confusion on your face as you stared off in the far, far, FAR distance. 😂 🤔 😂

Forced to listen to right wing radio on the bus.

Trump didn't pack those boxes himself therefore he's not criminally responsible.

^The people who packed, moved and handled them are in just as much trouble.

What a feral, poisoned, shit-show American politics has turned into since The Orange Stain descended that escalator. It just gets worse by the day. And new bottoms are reached every other hour. The thing is, the global ramifications are very, very real. Whoever the agents of chaos are who planted the seed-they sure got their wish.

R374 what's like being a retard who owns a computer and can type?

[quote] Saudi's at the golf tournament obviously were the highest bidders...(outbidding Putin and the Israeli's.)

Saudis

Israelis

r537 Yeah, and I'm also not criminally responsible for the documents that might be found at my private address. Oh, and the child porn and all the drugs in there are definitely not mine either.

And they weren't audit-audits, r525. They were more entailed and fewer people get them.

I think we should unleash all of the families and loved ones who died of COVID on him.

[quote]Top comments on Trump forums right now are just trying to ID the specific FBI agents who were part of and signed off on the raid so they can be “helicopter passengers,” a reference to Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet murdering dissidents by throwing them out of helicopters.

[quote] Trump didn't pack those boxes himself therefore he's not criminally responsible.

I called it at R83.

I'm most intrigued by the leatherbound box of documents taken away by the FBI.

Was he going to sell them on E-bay?

What was in the safe?

I think it was Donald Jr. who gave him up. Just a feeling, ofc.

Unsealed Warrant documents at link

The search warrant identifies three federal crimes that the Justice Department is looking at as part of its investigation: violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records, according to The New York Times.

Warrant

I have no doubt that Putin was given the info. Maybe now Trump will fall out of a window.

R546, of course, once he learned he had the documents he did the right thing and returned them. Oh wait . . .

Foyled by the mole!

R546, and once it's revealed that the documents are filled with black sharpie scribblings in Trump's handwriting, they'll pivot to "he's just a sentimental softie who can't get rid of mementos!"

your reminder that Reality Winner took one document and spent four years in prison. one document. four years. no negotiations

Cauvin weighs in

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@DougJBalloon

If the FBI can retrieve nuclear secrets from Donald Trump then they can do it to you.

Re: R545

I hope every last one of those p.o.s. who are threatening federal agents go to jail without hearing their Miranda Rights (THANKS TO THE REPUBLICAN SCOTUS). Let them rot in the slammer with the other trash!

More fun with old clips.

R560 and their wives and daughters get raped and forced to have their rapist's babies when they can't get an abortion.

There's a Dem sitting on the panel of "The Five" today and it's sooo entertaining. For example, she stated that Trump ignored subpoenas. Gutfeild IMMEDIATELY accused her of "Making it up." LOL. Every point she makes they ALL accuse her of lying or not knowing facts.

They're reaching for the stars, kids.

so the end game is sell the US out for a trillion dollars and move to "do-buy"?

Jared's pop is a felon who did real time in a penitentiary.

Palmer Report @PalmerReport “S – P – O – … which letter is naj?”

Why did he have info on the president of France?

I wasn’t aware DeSantis ran the DOJ R509.

Has Ethel & Julius Rosenberg commented yet?

This all just goes to show that hubris is not JUST for the intelligent, you can be destroyed for audacity however STUPID you may be. Here's Donny Shitler looking PARTICULARLY fluffy in NYC on Wednesday afternoon. I can't WAIT until this motherfucker DIES.

A president does not have the authority to declassify material on nuclear or atomic energy or weapons. -The Atomic Energy Act

🤑 He may be a shrewd, underhanded scumbag, but he definitely is not a smart man.

Did they find Mel's "Einstein" Green Card application?

“Traitors who Commit Espionage Against the United States 🇺🇸 of America Can Eat My Pussy All Day”

If Jared squealed (and I'm 99% convinced it was him), it was with Ivanka's blessing. That bitch makes Wendy from "Ozark" seem warm in comparison. She'd sell off her own children if she could somehow benefit from it.

I wasn't aware you weren't sharp enough to spot mockery no matter how obvious, R566.

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#571, I'm am multi-lingle Arkiteck! Stop bulleying me !

Is that really Air Force One, R571? Nice rack.

I wonder if the "close source" was Alex Jones phone?

[quote]What the ever-loving FUCK was he doing taking classified documents with him to his private residence in the first place?

Reviewing them for his liberry.

R577 it was pre- First Lady days .

R536, the Trumps were always crazy and trash, that's why NY Society never accepted them. Even those shit kids got away with things because Donny was buddy-buddy with the NY rags and kept the kids' bad behavior out of the papers. Oprah was a fucking moron who treated that family like they raised good kids. No, Donny just knew how to keep it from being out there.

On NPR this afternoon attorney Barbara McQuade was asked if it could all turn out to be a nothingburger, and she said no, this is a double Whopper* with extra sauce.

It's "lie-berry," Dee. You Trumpistas don't know how to spell, that's for shure.

R577, you can literally see the outline of the implants.

^How very DARE you, R577. ONE HANDRED PERCENT REAL Amereekan EEnormis Wahboombahs!! Au Naturel!!

[quote]And new bottoms are reached

Pics please.

To expand upon r578, the Jan 6 committee received Jones phone data four days ago and the warrant for lardo was signed three days ago.

Trump is a braggart moron and so is Jones. Jones may have known and discussed it with someone else.

FWIW, since the Rosenbergs have been mentioned repeatedly, they weren't convicted of treason, because at the time of the acts, the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were allies. They were convicted of espionage.

[quote]In a Dec. 5, 2019 interview, Trump told Bob Woodward: “I have built a nuclear—a weapons system that nobody’s ever had in this country before…”

[quote]Woodward wrote that he confirmed this with sources who were surprised Trump had disclosed it.

Watergate was like getting a traffic ticket, compared to this. This monster is a danger to the world.

Part 2 is below.

"What was in the safe?"

A stack of "Bazongazz!" mags; Viagra; a KFC VIP card; an autographed photo of Hitler; a map of Slovenia; a Hillary Clinton doll full of pins...

Mass suicide is a suitable outcome for MAGA.

I believe there is a way to determine if something has been photocopied. If so it should be clear which top security items were passed on to a foreign entity (Hopefully not the nuclear materials)

R592, I want that GIF from Seven remade with "What's in the safe?" Just in case anyone here knows how to do that.

Don't forget the dozens packets of Honey-Mustard sauce r592.

I know I won't.

No interest in wishing their wives/daughters being raped, R562. Sorry. Only the lifelong incarceration of the trash making the death threats towards FEDERAL AGENTS.

"... was he doing taking classified documents with him to his private residence in the first place?"

No doubt there was a lot of chaos in the final days. He thought he was staying on for another term (forever?). Things were probably just shoved into boxes. All his advisors had probably jumped ship (including Jared).

He may just ultimately plead ignorance

Bajour!

R598, he was then given ample opportunity to return them afterwards and he declined.

“Traitors Can Eat My Skanky Pussy All Day Long“

Whoop-Up!

Gee, R598, I'm concerned for your spine if you continue twisting yourself into a pretzel like this.

Why is this thread still going? Don't they close at R600???????????????????????????????

Still going

continued.........

I don't know, ask r611

Come join us at part 2. Geez this thread hasn’t closed yet? Why, it might gone on forever! Just like Dump’s asshole.