FBI executes search warrant on Mar-a-Mago! PART 2

Part 1

I feel honored that you preserved my thick thumbs typo.

FUCK THIS ORANGE TURD!

[quote] Saying someone "weaponized' the Justice department to investigate potential crimes is like saying someone weaponized the fire department to put out a fire.

[quote]FUCK THIS ORANGE TURD!

Pics please.

[quote] Pics please.

Color or Black & White?

The rule of law party sure is pissed about a lawfully executed search warrant.

Repugs only support the law when they can control it

[quote]The other thread is soooo slow.

Not unlike Trump walking down a platform.

Random chatter on Twitter says that Donald could be nailed for espionage.

Which is the charge that got the Rosenbergs the electric chair.

Prosecuted by none other than...

...wait for it...

Roy Cohn.

(one of Donald's first lawyers)

why didn't anyone stop him from taking the documents?

R11, I imagine that he was surrounded by loyalists, but also people really just wanted him out.

Rump was holding a goldmine. He was asking 20 million for the ladybugs 🐞 G sex tapes. Highest bid to date was 10 million.

Repug House members are meeting with Trump this evening at Bedminster. Not likely all are going to buy his bs on this one.

[quote] Not likely all are going to buy his bs on this one.

They. Don't. Care.

The House Republicans are dead inside at this point. Not that there may have been much to kill, of course, but they’re now dead.

That's hilarious that all he has are the powerless, weak-ass House members to stand by him. Mitch has given the word the his Senate members to steer completely clear.

Mean tweets by the likes of MTG are not going to change the narrative, no matter what. A few of them may be banned from Twitter completely if they do his bidding and declare some red-necked civil war.

I guarantee you that Trump has been on the phone all day trying to get people to save his ass, but people aren't as interested in going to prison for him anymore. Nobody wants to be Mark Meadows.

Visiting Trump doesn't necessarily mean supporting him. A large group is headed his way so I'm hoping this episode might create at least some side eye. If Miss Lindsey can back up so can others.

i vaguely remember reading that he took documents that had mentions of him doing a poor job on a variety of issues. whatever that paints him and his family in a negative light...

[quote]A few of them may be banned from Twitter completely if they do his bidding and declare some red-necked civil war.

That is the current punishment in the US for treason? A FUCKING BAN FROM TWITTER?

Did they search the Mar-A-Lago toilets? They hold some of Trumps best work.

Point of Order, did Mar-A-Lardo provide a breakfast bar, omelette station, light afternoon sandwiches and ‘tator scald to the warrant officers? What is the appropriate level of etiquette for something like this?

I’ll bet southern gays would provide a fabulous spread for these hard working FBI soldiers.

Were they even allowed to use the bathrooms or did they have to haul a porta-potty onto the property?

I think it was beautiful that the FBI went the full Eliot Ness with the machine guns.

I’d wager to bet that all pee breaks were recorded on video for Lindsey-Belles next birthday present enjoyment.

[quote]The other thread is soooo slow.

Only on hyper-modern smart phones. If you use a PC from the age of dinosaurs, it loads super fast.

[quote]Visiting Trump doesn't necessarily mean supporting him.

At this point, visiting Trump is the equivalent of viewing a dead body at a funeral home.

Essentially, they're going to pay their last respects.

[quote]Visiting Trump doesn't necessarily mean supporting him. A large group is headed his way so I'm hoping this episode might create at least some side eye.

I'm guessing he's gathering his flying monkeys to tell them: if I go down, you're going with me. So start slinging that poo monkeys, because shit just got serious!

I think people are over thinking this. I'm betting the search warrant was to recover documents he didn't return when asked but I still think it's unlikely he faces any charges.

[quote]Repug House members are meeting with Trump this evening at Bedminster. Not likely all are going to buy his bs on this one.

To be fair they need to get their stories coordinated.

"Trump ally Rep. Scott Perry says the FBI seized his cell phone one day after Mar-a-Lago raid"

My knowledge of law enforcement comes almost entirely from TV and movies, but I find it hard to believe that the FBI shows up with a warrant to search the home of a former president and it's treated like an overdue library book that one failed to return. Trump has slipped this noose so many times, it's entirely possible that he'll squeak his way out of this one too, but somehow this feels different. Like he even realizes that this shit is serious and all the bloviating in the world won't make it go away.

The Republicans are meeting to discuss the best ways to grift off Trumps continuous crimes. They've got NOTHING else.

Security Experts on Twitter today are starting to lower expectations for a criminal case. Most are saying the DOJ needed to neutralize the threat of classified documents hanging out at Mar-A-Lago. They retrieved the documents and it is mission accomplished. They are probably not that interested in punishing Trump.

they asked Trump to return the documents he didn't and forced them to come get them. Sounds just like him, he is that petty and attention starved. And he probably knows they won't end up charging him for any of it

Yeah, this isn’t some overdue library book situation. They would have never undertaken this type of operation in that case. Garland would have not have signed off on a highly publicized search warrant execution that would put the Department under scrutiny for politicizing law enforcement activities. He’s a brilliant lawyer who is thinking five steps ahead of everyone else. He wasn’t about to OK the first search of the residence of a former president in history over just some unreturned papers. There must be great significance attached to what they wanted. Plus, the magistrate judge who authorized the search had to be convinced that there was probable cause that there was evidence that a crime had been committed.

R36 i think that is wishcasting

Well, I guess we’ll find out.

Trump is insanely guilty of multiple crimes. For fucks sake it's all on tape Jan 6th. There's ample evidence for him to be behind bars already. Anything else is icing on the already rotting cake.

Trump could clear up a lot of this speculation by releasing the search warrant yet, oddly enough, he hasn’t done that.

It was not "highly publicized," R36. The FBI successfully kept it quiet all day until someone tipped off the media and the story broke. The DOJ wasn't broadcasting this. I think R 35 is correct, unfortunately.

Repug Kevin McCarthy states when the Repubs take over the House, a complete investigation into this will be his first priority.

It most certainly was "highly publicized.” Not from DOJ, but from tRump. And DOJ knew that once it was made known a firestorm would ensue. Which is precisely what happened.

So they shouldn't have done it?

Laws don't matter to Republicans.

It grates on me that Mr. Trump describes it as an “unannounced raid.”

Is there such a thing as an announced raid?

Steve Bannon announced that Trump would be assassinated by the FBI. You know, announcing assassination plans, like you do.

That means the Repugs will take him out an try to blame the Dems

R40 He apparently wants to hide what it says which makes me smile.

R46, kind of. They were trying to make sure he wasn’t there and his family wouldn’t throw it all in the trash and light a match. I also think they thought the Secret Service agents at Mar-a-Lago are MAGATs and they’d destroy it themselves for him. They only got an hour, and they knew if they destroyed it the FBI would find the remains.

What’s hilarious is that he was in NY supposedly to respond to some FBI or DOJ inquiry. So they knew he wouldn’t be there.

One of the few ways you can lose your citizenship is to be found guilty of treason. It’s my fondest fantasy that the diapered overlord will lose his citizenship and be deported to anywhere that would accept him.

Nothing will come of it just like every other investigation we've had in the 21st century.

Tonight's menu:

[Quote]RSC member Randy Weber of Texas posted a photo of the group dinner, showing Banks seated next to Trump as the guests awaited a four-course meal of seared scallops with tartar sauce, Caesar salad, a surf-and-turf pairing of sirloin steak and crab cakes, and chocolate chip cookies and ice cream for dessert.

I get two scoops. Everyone else gets one!

Crab Cakes was my nickname in high school.

Seared scallops with tarter sauce… I love scallops and I love tarter sauce, but I don’t love them together… The sweet richness of the scallops with the tarter sauce sounds revolting.

Tonight's planning meeting at Bedford is to get everyone on the same page. The plan is to insert Trump as Speaker of the House as soon as the Repubs steal the next election.

This isn't going to work of course, but it's really the only lifeline Trump has at this point.

One wonders whom submitted the highest bid for the classified documents..the Saudi's or Putin.

Israel, R58.

(and MAGA will claim it's ok because they're an ally)

Second, unrelated:

FUX is leaning HARD on this idea that the FBI planted evidence

His hardcore supporters and members of Congress will use that as an excuse, of course. But I hope most sane people will understand that the man is a terrorist and guilty as fuck.

Third (possibly related):

I said years ago and I repeated last night: I strongly suspect Jared is a flight risk...possibly to Israel (or wherever Epstein went went when he "died").

Being all under the thumb of the FBI and the DOJ and all, I'm betting Donny's not gonna be such an attractive customer when he goes to the various holders of his promissory notes in the coming couple of years, to seek extensions of those loans. Talk about a bad credit risk...He's starting to STINK.

Starting?

Will Donald Dump grab MTG's rotting pussy when she visits Bedminster?

"Say hello to my yeti pubes!"

This is a man who eats steak with ketchup.

The House Republicans are full of morons like Gym Jordan and MTG.

Were Jared and Ivanka still out of the country when Ivana died? When they left I wondered if they would ever come back.

Details are coming out about the search warrant and I'm pretty positive there won't be charges. They just wanted the documents.

Hmm. Only guilty people have their attorneys go on TV.

I love that Trump is dragging the whole Republican Party down with him, like a little kid pulls the tablecloth.

Michael Keaton @MichaelKeaton Lots of “if they can do this to a former president they can do it to you” talk out there PRECISELY. No one is above the law.

[quote] I love that Trump is dragging the whole Republican Party down with him, like a little kid pulls the tablecloth.

My most fervent hope is that the psychopaths who still support him will destroy--absolutely evicerate--DeSantis for not sending Florida thugs to intercept the Feds.

No, of course that doesn't make sense to rational people...but look who we're talking about...

Yeah, that’s what they hinted at on NBC news tonight, r67….and why I think Trump won’t release the warrant. The mystery is worth more.

R69 is he? the party is becoming more and more extreme and are about to flip control of the House, and maybe the Senate. They have control of the SCOTUS for decades to come. They overturned Roe and it doesn't look like that has created a huge backlash. I don't think the GOP would be stronger if Trump never happened. They would have the same political weight as they do now (a substantial amount) They would just be slightly more sane.

[quote] They overturned Roe and it doesn't look like that has created a huge backlash.

Umm, hello? What about the vote last week in Kansas? I think that was a backlash. There is a blue tsunami coming in November, don't buy into the punditry spin.

As Margaret Talev wisely pointed out at Axios today, just about everything we know about this is coming from Trump. We have heard nothing from the FBI or the DOJ.

It is very possible there was no raid at all, that the FBI had pre-arranged all this and just showed up at the door where the employees showed them to the files and Trump decided it would get him back in the news cycle again to call it a "raid" and rile up the GOP... and take the limelight away from Biden and the Inflation Reduction Act.

Given his long record of lying, it would not surprise me.

[quote]They overturned Roe and it doesn't look like that has created a huge backlash.

*blinks, laughs for 45 straight minutes*

Oh wait, you were serious?

R74 they overturned a total abortion ban but kept in a very strict abortion law with tons of restriction. call me when they elect a democrat or when they enact a california style abortion law

Maggot Habberman doesn’t know anything

Kansas has a Democratic governor R77. You need to do some research before you comment.

Q: So when did the DOJ start treating removal of classified documents like a felony anyway?

A: When President Trump signed a 2018 law making it a felony.

The newest grift.

I think the DOJ wanted this to be quiet and routine. Trump is blowing this up because it gets him headlines and he thinks he can spin it

LOL Margaret Talev is a reporter at Axios R78

She is not Maggie Haberman, who writes for the NY Times

I guess his grift off his dead wife last month has run its course.

When is Dump not grifting? He must be in a panic over his loans that are coming due.

Every single dime that goes to him is money that won't be donated to an actual Republican candidate.

[quote]They overturned Roe and it doesn't look like that has created a huge backlash.

Have you been sleeping, r73?

r73 is also:

[quote]I think people are over thinking this. I'm betting the search warrant was to recover documents he didn't return when asked but I still think it's unlikely he faces any charges.

[quote]Security Experts on Twitter today are starting to lower expectations for a criminal case. Most are saying the DOJ needed to neutralize the threat of classified documents hanging out at Mar-A-Lago. They retrieved the documents and it is mission accomplished. They are probably not that interested in punishing Trump.

[quote]they asked Trump to return the documents he didn't and forced them to come get them. Sounds just like him, he is that petty and attention starved. And he probably knows they won't end up charging him for any of it

[quote]R36 i think that is wishcasting

[quote]Details are coming out about the search warrant and I'm pretty positive there won't be charges. They just wanted the documents.

Here’s a primer on the potential liability for violating the various statutes that could apply when someone removes sensitive government documents.

Lol ^ that is complete horseshit.

He is going down big time. No way would they have done this for some stupid files.

The FBI also raided other people today and seized phones from sitting members of Congress.

Major crap is going down. There is a good chance that Mark Meadows either flipped or at minimum has started cooperating with the feds.

Today’s meeting at Bedminister was most likely how to neutralize what Meadows has on the lot of them.

R79. Kansas also sends democrats to the House.

They seem to be getting all the evidence they need to indict him for the clearest crimes. It’s too bad the R didn’t drink poison Kool-Aid together at Bedminister since their cult is dying.

R90, I think you have missed the import of the information at the link at R89. It was not intended as a ceiling of the potential crimes that tRump may have committed, but rather as a floor. The authors were pointing out what his criminal exposure could be based on the scope of yesterday’s search, not an exhaustive list of his potential additional crimes.

Former RNC chairman Michael Steele called Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene a "shitforbrains" Republican.

Steele was reacting to Greene's call for the FBI to be defunded in response to the raid on Trump's Florida home.

"For once try to be less stupid," Steele said in a tweet directed at Greene.

Should the Trumps head for Slovenia?

Is any competent attorney advising Trump? He seems to hire incompetent women. I guess to save money.

He’s flailing. I read that the RNC will stop paying his legal bills if he runs for President. Plus all his finances will be even more scrutinized if/when he runs. 78 year old Jimmy McGill.

I want Trump to go to jail. But he won't. He won't get charged over this.

Barron is going to move to Slovenia.

It’s not just one crime.

It will be the thousand count indictment.

How many counts did Gotti get?

The documents were almost certainly about January 6th, because those were the documents he SUED to keep away from the National Archives.

The media downplayed that lawsuit so much that I think almost no one remembers he was suing the US government for permission to keep the documents. The media made it sound like the case was all about executive privilege, and people didn't realize it was actually about the National Archives documents he never returned.

[quote]Among the documents sought by the committee are speech drafts, call and visitor logs, handwritten notes and other files previously kept by senior Trump aides like chief of staff Mark Meadows, adviser Stephen Miller, press secretary Kayleigh McEnany and White House associate counsel Patrick Philbin.

[quote]The only member of the high court who signaled he would have granted Trump’s request for emergency relief was Justice Clarence Thomas.

[quote]Trump had sought to block access to more than 750 pages of records that the National Archives, which house the former president’s records, determined were relevant to the Jan. 6 committee’s investigation. The records include “draft text of a presidential speech for the January 6, 2021, Save America March; a handwritten list of potential or scheduled briefings and telephone calls concerning election issues; and a draft Executive Order concerning election integrity … a draft proclamation honoring deceased Capitol Police officers Brian Sicknick and Howard Liebengood, and associated e-mails from the Office of the Executive Clerk, which relate to the Select Committee’s interest in the White House’s response to the Capitol attack.”

[quote]FUX is leaning HARD on this idea that the FBI planted evidence

Right, which tells me that, at minimum, they're worried about the January 6th documentation that Trump held on to, even after he was told by the SCOTUS several months ago that he had to give it all back to the National Archives.

Those documents are going to the Jan 6th committee. Of course, anything else found in there is going to potentially create more problems for him, too.

they said there is a "rat". that's why they raided.

Trump has all the call logs so that people like Gym Jordan had complicity deniability and heretofore could lie with abandon, but Trump kept the Kompromat he collected on his pet rocks.

Maybe the rat was a disgruntled maid who was sick of being called Maria when her name is Carol.

IMHO they are building their case that Trump plotted to prevent the lawful transition of power. But it’s a combination of crimes that will bring him down. He is the 31 flavors of crimes.

Remember too that this man is 76.

Just a quick reminder of the evil insane freak we are dealing with.

" Don't worry, Del. We only kill each other. ' Bugsy? Siegel.

His entire administration was made up of mafia thugs. DJT has been associating with Mafia all of his life. The low life idiots he surrounds himself with now have mafia ties and they treat this fat POS like a Mafia don. This is happening to the Don because he is being replaced. He isn't useful and has become a problem.

Fascinating episode of the Daily today where they talk about how:

• Trump would tear up important documents and literally flush them down the toilet and how staff would have to tape together the ones he only tore up but didn't try and flush

• They would chase him around like a naughty toddler trying to get him to stop shredding documents

• Trump did not seem to understand the need to keep confidential documents confidential

• He would keep classified letters from Kim Jong Il laying around his desk and then show them to visitors like love letters from a hot actress

[bold] • The FBI's concern seemed to have been that there was poor security at Mar A Lago and that foreign spies could easily get access to classified documents as Trump had done nothing to secure them and in fact would often show them off to guests

• The assumption is that they were documents that could hurt the US if in the hands of the Iranians or Chinese, not just an early draft of a speech.

r51, the US is a signatory to a UN accord prohibiting the deliberate creation of "stateless" individuals... so, treason or not, the US can't deprive a native-born American of citizenship unless he holds dual citizenship & officially has a country to go to.

That said, the US is also one of the few countries that allows citizens to unilaterally revoke their own citizenship, even if it makes them "stateless". However, you're only allowed to do it while physically outside the US.

As if the US government would ever force hm to leave the country.

He's a the worst national security risk we have.

R112 all of what you said is why I think he is one of the worst presidents in history. He is a irresponsible man child with an incredible bruised ego. And he's making an entire nation work out his psychological issues. I also think that those bullet points mean there will be no charges brought against him. All they were concerned about was securing the documents.

He has destroyed this country. We will never recover from the damage this illiterate thug has done to us. The people who were responsible for protecting this country from dangerous enemies such as him should be put in prison. They all sat there silently and allowed this to happen.

R116: ETA. The real question is why they wanted this to happen.

Which House member will they target next and what what in Rep. Scott Perry's phone.

yes, R53

R120- Well he should show everyone the warrant but he will not do that.

Why didn't they remove the shredding machines from the White House?

Media is having conniptions over this, both right and left. Trump consistently gets what he most wants, complete focus and attention on him. The media insists on covering his actions as if he were just a rogue politician. The man is a sociopath, a walking DSM III. His capacity for destruction and chaos is endless. To top it off, he is sadistic, really enjoys the turmoil he creates, relishes societal damage and the destruction of our democracy. I often think of his face at the table with Mitt Romney when Romney was trying for Secretary of State. Pure evil joy.

R123- The elite own the media. Trump was allowed and enabled to do what he has done by very powerful people. Why? I think they now use him as a distraction for us so we do not focus or become aware of what is really happening, I just do not know what all that is.

R53 Sirloin steak? Did he call Uber Eats for a delivery from a nearby Texas Roadhouse?

[quote]This is happening to the Don because he is being replaced. He isn't useful and has become a problem.

I suspect J6 has more to do with it ten anything. Attempting to overthrow the US government is kind of a big deal.

R126- They allowed him to damage this country beyond repair. No one stopped him. They allowed it or even planned it. He served whatever evil agenda they wanted him to. No one in power lifted a fucking finger to stop him. They normalized his disrespect for democracy and his criminal behavior. There was a definite reason and purpose for that.

The FBI’s raid of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate on Monday enraged the former president and his backers throughout conservative media and the Republican Party. It also provided them with an opportunity to prod their supporters for cash.

“MAR-A-LAGO was RAIDED,” Trump texted his supporters Tuesday morning, along with a link to a donation page. “The Radical Left is corrupt. Return the power to the people! Will you fight with me? Donate.”

I can't help but feel like this is all just a show and the government is in on it. It is a show for our benefit and trump does nothing without their knowledge and approval. He is meant to be a distraction and dividing weapon for us. A massive gaslighting of the public.

by the Deep State!

It's not all for show, but there isn't much chance that a former president is going to jail. There are a lot of people who really don't want that to happen, for a variety of reasons. Honestly, I can understand it, as the Republicans will spend decades trying to put a Democratic president into prison for something they probably wouldn't even have done. What we're really looking for here is a way to keep Trump from running again, which I believe even the GOP wants at this point.

R131- But is trump even capable of going away? He craves the attention, all of it , even the negative.

"Will you fight with me?" Ffs, doesn't his mental slave army ever notice that he doesn't fight for anything or in fact do anything at all? He just hides away in luxury, playing golf and eating hamberders, until something happens that he doesn't like and he issues some unhinged tantrum about it.

All the descriptions of how he behaved in the White House give me the impression that he couldn't believe he got away with it (winning the presidency). He spent all his time just showing off and throwing around his power like the impotent, insecure asshole he has always been. His only pleasure in life is sticking it to everyone else in every possible way.

Con man, the mistress, Rudy. & Jody. must face justice.

This really is the truth.

The conservatives I knew in my youth insisted that they were not racist, not angry and not biased--just good gawd-fearing folk...

But they have rationalization now that their leaders are ignorant, lying, greedy, and mean spirited trash.

"Melania! Fuck! Where's the shit that I left here?"

"I flush down ze toilet"

"You WHAT?!"

"Vat vas I supposed to do? Dey vere all over ze houz! Dey vere gonna find it!"

It would be so very easy to record this loudmouthed pos talking about his little cult with the contempt he feels for them. I really wish someone who can get close enough to him would do just that and release it to the public. His little rabid fan club would tear his fat ass to pieces.

What r133 said.

"Will you fight with me?"

I'll give him this. Trump knows his moronic supporters inside, outside and upside down. They're so pitiful, so eager to feel a part of something, they'll send this obvious crook their pennies.

The FBI wanted to keep it quiet. Trump blew it up for one reason, fundraising. He is making monwy off of this. His real crimes are in campaign finance. He his literally getting richer off his followers.

Why isn’t NY Governor Hochul removing Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg? He dropped the investigation/prosecution effort against DJT in NYC.

When Democrats have certain opportunities to cleanup, they don’t act.

[R137] - this is what happened to bring down the corrupt, evil Andy Griffith in "A Face in the Crowd". Someone (not me) adept at face placing should put the Trump Dumpster's face on the Andy Griffith character and play it on billboards in Trump Country Delish!!

Isn't it a little too late for this search warrant? Like he hasn't had time to burn all that evidence and bury it along with Yvana?

R141- That would be such a fitting end for him. Publicly exposed then shunned. Speaking of the fundraising grift, what happens to that money if he doesn't run again?

The same babies who whined about having to wear masks and compared it to the Holocaust are now calling for an armed rebellion? Cosplay is fun until there are real consequences.

I heard a lot of Republicunts demanding to know why the FBI executed a search warrant, well they use the word raided, but I don't hear any Republicans demanding that Trump explain why he didn't just return the documents when he was told to do so.

R140, Bragg is a New York County official and elected; she can’t remove him. Leticia James, the NY State AG, will depose Trump in a State investigation this Wednesday. That’s one of the reasons Trump is in NYC, not in Florida.

R146 in a move that will shock no one, he pled the 5th.

I assume that at least one, probably more, FBI agents were tasked with the responsibility to tape their presence and activities while both outside and inside MaL. Maybe they were all wearing body cams.

Who exactly are they going to attack in their “civil war”?

There is a strong parallel between Trump and the GOP Establishment and Hitler and the Junkers (Prussian aristocracy)

Let me start by saying that DL MARY!!!s to the contrary, Trump is not the second coming of Hitler. Once Hitler consolidated power, he had the support of an overwhelming majority of Germans, whereas even when President, Trump's base was limited to around 25%-30% of the population

But, the Junkers thought they could control Hitler. They thought he would stop the Communists and then eventually just do his bidding. They miscalculated how much power Hitler would amass from the common people. Fortunately for us, Hitler was a genius compared to Trump.

The GOP establishment also thought they could control Trump. That he would act "presidential" once he got into office. That he would make sane cabinet choices. That he would quickly grow bored with being president and let Pence, Tillerson and McConnell run the government.

They were wrong.

Trump's base wanted nothing to do with American aristocrats like Tillerson and McConnell. They wanted to remake the GOP is their image and drove out all the socially moderate/fiscally conservative "country club" Republicans.

Trump would not do what the Establishment GOP wanted him to do and rebelled. Then he branded them "RINOs" and tried to drive them out of the party

His candidates are winning primaries because all those Country Club Republicans decided the Trump GOP was the party of White Trash and want nothing to do with it. So that is who is left in the GOP

The good news is that those candidates should be pretty easy to beat. It's a matter of energizing the base like in 2020 and then making sure we have electable candidates on our side too

The GOP will wind up being a minority party with an elderly base.

Remember when it was revealed that he owns Putin four million dollars? Just how do we think he paid him back? He sold our country to him.

TYPO:" ^^They thought he would stop the Communists and then eventually just do THEIR bidding.

The one positive of Trump's presidency is that there will be an entire historical discipline devoted to understanding how Trump came to have such a hold on so many people and why, for instance, so many of them readily believe The Big Lie, when few GOP politicians remotely believe it, even if they don't announce that publicly.

The main point of confusion on the latter will be that it was not a particularly close race. Biden won in something close to a landslide and so even if early/remote voting laws had not been in effect, did MAGAts really think several million people who not have voted?

What I fear is the reason that the people in charge of our national security, our justice departments, FBI, CIA, allowed such a dangerous predator into the WH to begin with. Then allowed his craven family to hold positions of power, and then we get to Bannon. Something more sinister and dangerous is happening for this to have ever been permitted to take place.

If they found that Trump has already sold classified intelligence to foreign adversaries, couldn’t he recieve the death penalty? The Rosenbergs were executed for the same crime.

R154 Sounds good to me. I'm sick of the sight and sound of him.

I don't think he would be dumb enough to leave evidence of that R154. How do you think Jared got billions in Saudi investment in his company or fund or whatever the fuck?

I think these papers are about info on himself and his dealings...things that make him look bad.

[quote]in a move that will shock no one, he pled the 5th.

Shocking!

'If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' - Donald Trump, 2016

R152, the Big Lie, for Trump supporters is not an issue of fact or logic. It is an article of faith. They believe it in the face of all evidence to the contrary. You might temporarily get them to admit that the facts are against it, but they will fall back into their whole Trump belief system as soon as they can.

They knew he took those documents long ago and allowed it. He has already shown them to people and sold them as well. Why did they allow him to keep them all of this time? No. Something really stinks about this entire thing.

yes, they knew he took them, but he kept telling them he would return them but never did (via his lawyers).

Exactly R158- and future historians will spend countless hours debating why that was.

As for Trump and what he took, it is unfortunately just as likely that he just took some random classified documents that had sentimental value to him--notes from Putin and the like--and churlishly believed he did not have to give them back because he is too dumb to understand their actual value to foreign powers.

[quote]yes, they knew he took them, but he kept telling them he would return them but never did (via his lawyers).

And, for some reason that they outlined to a judge who approved the search warrant, they thought the confidential materials Trump pilfered were now at greater risk of being shared/stolen.

or, OR, AMERICA’S NUCLEAR SECRETS WORTH 100’s OF BILLIONS

Our government is complicit with trump. They have been from the beginning or they would have prevented him from ever stepping foot into the WH.

It’s not just classified documents. He took documents related to January 6.

[quote]Our government is complicit with trump. They have been from the beginning or they would have prevented him from ever stepping foot into the WH.

"Trump is going to destroy our democracy!"

"Also, the government should have subverted democracy and kept him from the presidency."

No, they should have protected democracy by not allowing him to cheat in 2016

Speculation he stole nuclear secrets:

He didn't steal anything that our government didn't allow him to.

[quote]No, they should have protected democracy by not allowing him to cheat in 2016

In what way did he cheat that the government could have stopped?

Am I the only Democrat who raises an eyebrow that Trump and friends could be so STUPID to keep the really important stolen documents in a room at Mar-a-Lago for a year and half and AFTER the FBI already came knocking about them months ago??? Any important document is LONG GONE, my friends. Unless he is THAT stupid. But if it incriminates staff, I doubt staff is THAT stupid.

[quote]what happens to that money if he doesn't run again?

What money?

The text messages disappeared. Why would any guilty party hang onto incriminating documents of any kind, AND KEEP THEM IN THEIR OWN HOME with a blinking arrow saying - HERE ARE THE STOLEN DOCS. BEEN WAITING FOR YOU FOR 18 months.

Oh my sides! How can you doubt that everyone on the Trump train is stupid???

Plus didn't the leak report the docs were there?

trump is going down...down...down....

R171...That's why this should have been done much sooner.

"OH MY SIDES" TROLL IS BACK!!!

And nothing will be done to him about this either and he knows it.

Going to point out for the PM crew that the only one claiming this was a "raid" is Trump (and yet all the mainstream media are going with it.)

For all we know the FBI showed up at the door and the staff at MAL politely handed over the boxes they had pre-requested.

[quote] "OH MY SIDES" TROLL IS BACK!!!

One would think she should have seen a doctor about that by now.

The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents, two senior government officials told Newsweek.

The officials, who have direct knowledge of the FBI’s deliberations and were granted anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters, said the raid of Donald Trump’s Florida residence was deliberately timed to occur when the former president was away.

[quote]Going to point out for the PM crew that the only one claiming this was a "raid" is Trump (and yet all the mainstream media are going with it.)

Yep:

There was literally NEVER A REASON to quote from Trump's inflammatory press release. None. Zero.

There is NO REASON to quote a bunch of Republicans criticizing the search w/o pointing out that those MoCs are arguing a huge data breach shouldn't be investigated.

R184- Because they own the media and the media dances to whatever tune they tell them to .

He plead the fifth in a civil case. Perfect. I hope the state of NY can eventually seize Mara-Lago for non-payment of taxes. It's rumored that's the only thing he owns outright, if he even does anymore.

They got the Mar-a-Lago surveillance tapes a while back. Was what they saw on those tapes the evidence they needed to get the search warrant? We may never know.

[quote]"OH MY SIDES" TROLL IS BACK!!!

I like the Oh my sides troll.

Everyone wants him out now, I think. The problem is that trump has dirt on everyone of them .

[quote]The officials, who have direct knowledge of the FBI’s deliberations and were granted anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters, said the raid of Donald Trump’s Florida residence was deliberately timed to occur when the former president was away.

Horseshit. Nobody in the FBI nor any officials would have called it a "raid." They simply executed a search warrant.

He took the Fifth.

I think that's probably Newsweek's framing, not the FBI's, R189. Could also be the sources' framing, if they're associated with Trump and not the FBI, as is likely, since Newsweek is now a right-wing rag.

To you guys talking up above, around R150, about the mystery of Trump, the Big Lie, and his followers ignoring all evidence that there was NOTHING wrong with our last election: It's obvious to me that Trump's followers are treating him and this country EXACTLY the way they view professional wrestling. I am not joking. They KNOW that everything T has said about the election is bullshit, but he is THEIR Leader, straight from Televisionland, and so it's just like professional wrestling: We all KNOW it's fake, but we'll swear to the death that he's right, it's real, and he's telling us the Truth. We KNOW he's LYING to us and we are going to loyally go along with it. There is historical video online right now on Youtube of Hitler making the same ridiculously incorrect lies in front of thousands of people, and they ALL appear to (hysterically) believe him. They KNOW better, but it's just theater, just like all the dumbfucks who get "cured" of crippling illnesses by loudmouthed evangelical Xtian ministers on tv. The phenomenon is really not all that unusual.

R182 No, there was something wrong the minute this pos along with Bannon were given security clearance to be in the WH.

[quote]They KNOW that everything T has said about the election is bullshit, but he is THEIR Leader, straight from Televisionland, and so it's just like professional wrestling:

This is definitely not true of the Trumpers in my orbit – they swallow his lies hook, line and sinker.

They only know what Fox Fascist News tells them.

So I've been told my entire life (I'm 50 now) that the Republican party were: 1) fiscally conservative; 2) tough on Russia/strong foriegn policy; 3) for smaller government; and 4) the party of Law and Order.

Democrats: 1) passed the Infrastructure and Inflation Reduction Act (fiscally conservative); 2) strengthened NATO; 3) are trying to keep government from getting into people's personal business; and 4) are trying to investigate and prosecute criminals.

Republicans are opposing all of the above, so common sense would say that Republicans are a bunch of liars. Remember that and go vote in November.

The republican party should be on a watch list and deported for being enemies of the State.

Today's Party of Trump is not the GOP of your youth R196

[quote]taxes. It's rumored that's the only thing he owns outright, if he even does anymore.

He owns 8 properties, which I believe is down from the 12 he had before he ran.

The Republican Party, including the sainted Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, knew exactly what they were getting when they decided to run Donald and went ahead with it anyway, and now we're all paying the price. The man had no business being president and everyone involved in putting him in the White House and trying to keep him there is an accessory to his crimes.

R200- Not only that, they allowed Bannon into the WH along with Trumps amoral grifting family.

Do you really own a property if you owe more on it than the value it could be sold at?

[quote] Someone (not me) adept at face placing should put the Trump Dumpster's face on the Andy Griffith character

[quote] He plead the fifth in a civil case. Perfect. I hope the state of NY can eventually seize Mara-Lago for non-payment of taxes. It's rumored that's the only thing he owns outright, if he even does anymore.

Can't happen. It's why he and several members of his family have moved there. Florida is one of a handful of states that doesn't allow your primary residence to be seized to settle bankruptcy debts or court awarded judgments. It's the reason a lot of criminals move to Florida.

When Trump was elected, remember he invited the Russian ambassador and other Russian cronies to the White House and in his boasting, highly secretive security matters were revealed to the Russians.

R204- That is why OJ Simpson moved there as well.

I don't mean to be a wet blanket here but if anyone caught Trump pulling a "Face in the Crowd" on a hot mic, his fans would say it was faked, and their proof would be that "it comes from an old movie."

Yes, I started to mention OJ and the three guys who murdered Robert Wone..

Trump is only allowed to live at Mar-a-Lago because he considers himself an employee. It is not his primary residence because by law it cannot be a residence for anyone over 3 weeks at a time.

Mrs. Betty Bowers

[quote] REMINDER: Always tip your waitperson.

The only thing that was planted there was Ivana.

It was Hugo Chavez posing as a gardener! I read it online!

I was surprised how exposed the FL property is from drone footage. It has major roads on two sides.

R218- Yes. I think of this often.

Isn’t Ivana at Bedminster?

R215- Someone or something is, but I read that Ivana was cremated.

R215- Found this:

Ivana Trump was cremated Wednesday at the NYC Catholic Church IG News.

[quote] Today's Party of Trump is not the GOP of your youth [R196]

True, but the Republicans still lie and claim to be all of those things. And I have heard people parrot those talking points, like "I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative." When I politely explain to them (with evidence) that the Republicans are neither of those things, I get the "fuck you" look.

Maybe for my generation it was a love affair with Reagan, a seemingly nice, grandfatherly guy (for those not paying attention). So some just naturally defaulted to Republicans. I've been arguing that the Republicans have been on the hardcore crazy train since GW Bush but it did all start with Ronny Rayguns. Maybe NOW its starting to sink in to some people how far off the deep end the Republicans have gone now that their rights are being taken away. I just hope people vote.

From Salon yesterday re the affidavit required for the "raid" (itemizing what was to be searched for) and how Trump has carefully failed to reveal what was being looked for:

"As former federal prosecutor and current defense attorney Ken White noted in a lengthy Twitter thread following the raid, the "feds do not seek search warrants lightly." As White explained, such warrants generally require "probable cause to believe that the specified location has the specified evidence of a specified federal crime." This one, in particular, would have been combed over by multiple high-ranking authorities, including Attorney General Merrick Garland himself. Crucially, while we the public do not know the details of what is almost certainly one of the most careful and detailed warrants imaginable, Trump himself does, because the subject of the search is given the warrant.

"In the lengthy diatribe Trump released Monday night, he failed to mention any of these details. Outside of a vague mention of his "safe," which could very well be a lie like the rest of the statement, Trump didn't utter a single syllable about the specifics of the warrant served on him. He didn't even mention specific allegations to deny them. Instead, his statement was a diarrhea stream of deflections about Watergate and Hillary Clinton, centered around a conspiracy theory that Trump is a victim of "political persecution."

"The strategy isn't subtle. Trump is trying to fill the information vacuum left by the FBI's silence with lies. He wants to fill up his followers' minds with paranoid gibberish, so that by the time actual details come out, the facts cannot penetrate their red hats. "

Does the FBI have to remain silent or is this another instance of us taking the fucking high road to our own detriment?

If the documents there were looking for contain highly classified info, they may need to remain silent.

I hope Garland stays silent, or restates what he's said recently..."no one is above the law". Let Don squirm, his world is crumbling.

Trump’s “team” has confirmed that he will not release the warrant. It also appears that there was no “safe,” just a basement storage area.

There’s also no indication that Trump intends to challenge the warrant or the “raid” in court.

Ivana WAS NOT cremated. Who is so ignorant to believe a cremation could take place in a Catholic Church? That link is rubbish.

Crackpot rightwingnut Tom Fitton has filed a FOIA request to see the search warrant.

Seemingly, he's out to prove that the FBI was on a fishing expedition. Others seem to think he's not exactly doing tRump any favors.

[quote] Does the FBI have to remain silent or is this another instance of us taking the fucking high road to our own detriment?

From what I can see, FBI not fighting this (i.e.: allowing the warrant to be seen) would constitute an unfair exposure and violate his "right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty".

So...in the end, this just furthers the appearance of the Feds hiding information which, in turn, allows the lyin' right to control the narrative.

R226- Atheist, don't care, only repeating what was said the day of her funeral. Fick off.

Investigators normally don’t chat about the progress of an investigation; they don’t want to cut off further sources of information and they don’t want the potential defendant to argue that jurors were prejudiced because of the publicity.

I imagine, though, we’re going to see this warrant one way or another.

Trump can share the warrant and prove exactly what it says. But that fact will never penetrate the skulls of moron deplorables.

R229- He would only spin anything they said to his advantage.

Currently Trump has approx 30 criminal and civil cases pending against him. How is it possible to juggle this mess and who's paying the attorney's and other legal fees? Stinks.

It's all Benghazi 's fault! Or the colored folks who lived in the WHITE house. Or Hillary's something or other. I forget.

The Republican National Committee is paying Trump's legal fees, up until the moment he declares his candidacy for President in the 2024 election, then they will stop.

This is odd:

R235, he might have been teasing a potential declaration, but, as R234 points out, the RNC is trying to bribe him not to do this.

[quote] It also appears that there was no “safe,”

He lied???? Shocking!!! 😱😱😱

R235- He is probably trying to get his cult to start a civil war.

R226, who is so ignorant as to scold a fellow poster without checking facts about Catholics being cremated?

No backlash over Roe? Consider the most recent polls:

Beasley (NC) +4

Ryan (OH) +10.5

Kelly (AZ) +15

Fetterman (PA) +11

[quote]Am I the only Democrat who raises an eyebrow that Trump and friends could be so STUPID to keep the really important stolen documents in a room at Mar-a-Lago for a year and half and AFTER the FBI already came knocking about them months ago??? Any important document is LONG GONE, my friends. Unless he is THAT stupid. But if it incriminates staff, I doubt staff is THAT stupid.

No doubt he's already destroyed incriminating documents as well as sold off god knows what to foreign governments, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he was keeping certain info (nuclear secrets seems as good of guess as any) as an insurance policy. "Don't give me what I want/try to convict me in NY, I sell this info to China/Russia"

Yeah, Kelly and Fetterman don’t surprise me, but Beasley and especially Ryan do. Let’s hope that this holds through November.

[Quote]who is so ignorant as to scold a fellow poster without checking facts about Catholics being cremated?

Read the link, Rose, from that shit news site. Bodies are not cremated inside a fucking church. They go to crematoriums.

[quote] Yeah, Kelly and Fetterman don’t surprise me, but Beasley and especially Ryan do. Let’s hope that this holds through November.

I'm a greedy mofo, R242. I want all of those AND

Barnes in Wisconsin

Demmings in Florida

and I'll even take the independent McMullin in Utah (because ANYTHING is better than Mike Lee)

R235, the more I think about, it really does seem possible that he intended to announce a new run for the Presidency on that date—he knew he would be in New York, he could have come down the escalator again. Magic!

Only once the FBI arrived, the optics were a little off.

R245- That probably upset him the most.

Trump posted a video to his Truth Social account yesterday that uses a song named after the slogan for the QAnon conspiracy theory.

The wingnuts are now experiencing spontaneous orgasms, with supporters writing, “If that's not a Q proof then I don’t know what is,” calling it “THE mother of all Q proofs,” and adding that it “might be the biggest nod they’ve ever given us tbh.” Others claimed that it was “confirmation” of the conspiracy theory and that “they're basically telling us” that “there’s a plan at this point.” One QAnon adherent claimed of the song choice, “That’s not an accident. Team Trump knows exactly what they’re doing.”

I think he intended to announce, the Feds knew and went ahead with a warrant to get ahead of that stupid 'no action which could seem political 90-days out from an election' guideline that James Comey managed to ignore quite well.

r243, you know very well that the reference was to Catholics being cremated, not being actually cremated inside the church. The headline to the article was grammatically stupid.

R247:. From the articleAccording to a Media Matters review using both Google’s voice assistant and Apple’s Shazam app, the music in Trump’s video is a song titled Wwg1wga, produced in 2020 by an artist using the name “Richard Feelgood” on Spotify. The acronym “wwg1wga” is a common shorthand in the QAnon community for the slogan “Where we go one, we go all.” Discussion of a supposedly imminent “storm” is also important in QAnon lore, referring to a prophesied event where Trump’s perceived enemies — who are also supposedly part of a global satanic cabal of pedophiles — would be arrested and possibly executed. The phrase “the best is yet to come,” which was also featured in the video, is another popular refrain in the QAnon community. The Spotify album featuring Wwg1wga lists other songs whose titles also seem to be about QAnon, including Q Send Me and I Am Q.

Sounds very Jonestownish. White night. ,

Won’t future historians have to say, Despite accusations of multiple crimes, including planning an insurrection and attack at the Capitol, Republicans continued to support Mr. Trump for unknown reasons.

[quote] for unknown reasons

I think they are pretty well known: fear of his fanatics and blackmail.

R249. Give it up, loser and stop posting links from crap sites located in the dev world.

Ivana was not cremated.

OJ Simpson talks about Trump - Let the system work!

Of course, R253, Ivana was not cremated. You missed the entire point. Catholics do, and are allowed to be, cremated. Geez...

When did OJ get out of Jail? He'd be great as a cabinet member in tRump's second term, maybe he could head up the FBI or DOJ.

R253. DIE, tiresome troll. You seem to be elated to inform DL about something we've known for decades.

Ditto, r257. And fuck off before you do.

R256 in 2017

OJ was released from prison on October 1, 2017 and released from parole on December 6, 2021.

[quote] [R243], you know very well that the reference was to Catholics being cremated, not being actually cremated inside the church.

My mother-in-law, who was a staunch Catholic, was cremated per her last will wishes. That said, she was one of those Catholics who cherry pick what they like from the official Church doctrine. She told my partner (her son) when he came out to her: "Oh, honey, the Church has no problem with your homosexuality" "But, Mom, the priest told me I was a sinner who was going straight to hell!" "Oh, honey, they don't mean that..." On the other hand, instead of getting a divorce, she had her marriage annulled since, as a good Catholic, she couldn't break her marriage vows in the eyes of God by getting a divorce.

Judge Juicebox is having a hard time with this:

Oh, maybe the “judge” is drunk. Again.

[quote]Won’t future historians have to say, Despite accusations of multiple crimes, including planning an insurrection and attack at the Capitol, Republicans continued to support Mr. Trump for unknown reasons.

On the contrary, I think future historians will say that a subset of America embraced an obvious con artist/failed businessman that damaged this country in unimaginable ways, but was abetted by his fellow politicians all because there was a buck to be made.

The GOP seems to be right on track to go the way of the Populist party.

His plea, apparently, is immaterial

[quote] Trump is done. Drove by in the limo he wasn’t smiling he was sweaty he knows by the questions that Tish James asked him that it’s over she has his taxes, Cushman Wakefield records, she has everything Cy Vance had. He was the last piece; she has testimony from all trump org officers

Heh.

[quote]When a party invokes the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination in a civil case, the court is permitted to instruct the jury that it may draw an adverse inference that the answer would have been against the party’s interest.

Dondon's royally fucked.

NYT:

Trump opened the deposition by invoking his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. Then he read a statement into the record in which he called the inquiry a continuation of “the greatest witch hunt in the history of our country” and accused Ms. James of having “openly campaigned on a policy of destroying me.”

After that, Mr. Trump repeated the words “same answer” from about 9:30 a.m. to around 3 p.m., with a long break for lunch and several shorter breaks.

I didn’t think of that. All the questions revealed all his mistakes. He must need a lot of extra Depends tonight.

They should have made the fucker say "I invoke my 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination" over and over to make the eventual release of the tapes very clear for his stupid fucking followers.

Apparently Bernie Kerik and Rudy are pushing a new talking point on FOX and it has me a bit concerned. They are saying they are frightened that Dump could be the target of an assassination. 🙄

Most of the time when these fuckers talk, they’re projecting their own plans. I fucking hate Dump, but I’ve never wanted him to die that way. The trained monkeys would seize on the opportunity and blame Democrats or the FBI without any evidence (or actually evidence to the contrary.) The jackass would become a martyr and the Rethugs would be juiced.

If someone kills that monstrous troll, guaranteed it’s someone on his own side who’s decided Dump’s usefulness alive is less than if he were dead.

They seem to be jumping over “we have to wait and see if the evidence suggests any wrongdoing.” Rudy is a busted old drag queen.

WSJ: After archives retrieved 15 boxes from Mar-a-Lago earlier this summer, someone who knew about docs told investigators there may be more.

[quote] Apparently Bernie Kerik and Rudy are pushing a new talking point on FOX and it has me a bit concerned. They are saying they are frightened that Dump could be the target of an assassination.

The Repugs are setting him up to kill him themselves.

WSJ again:

Monday’s search came after weeks of internal deliberation among senior Justice Department and FBI officials and marked an escalation of their investigation into Mr. Trump’s handling of classified material.

FBI officials showed up with instructions to keep the search as unobtrusive as possible, with agents dressed in plainclothes and told not to take any weapons,. The Secret Service was notified and then Mr. Trump’s lawyers. On site, the FBI asked for several things, including a diagram of the sprawling building and that surveillance cameras be turned off, citing officer safety.

Dressed in T-shirts and cargo pants, the agents targeted three rooms—a bedroom, an office and a storage room. The agents went undetected for most of the day until a Florida political blogger tweeted about it and Mr. Trump issued a statement saying his home was “under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents.”

At the end of the day, they hauled away roughly 10 more boxes of material, some of the people said. The seized documents remain with the FBI’s Miami field office.

Now he must be even more paranoid. I wonder who the Mar-a-logo Mole is.

Picture this: it’s Palm Beach @ Mar-a-largo circa 2032. An elderly, shaky Trump shuffles to the omelette stations . Orders-up a ham, bacon and American cheese omelette.

Trump takes the made-for-order omelette and sits down. He smiles briefly and then digs-in to eat

So the Cons do expect the FBI to find evidence. No one has ever said there was no evidence theyd find or that Trump was not guilty of crime.

It was always what evidence and which crime.

R272

That hideous attorney is a dumbshit.

Who is the snitch?

The New York Times is has filed to unseal the Trump search warrant.

R278 Christina Bobb is Z list. Dump is really scraping the bottom of the barrel to find these skanky women to go on the teevee and lie on his behalf. She makes Kayleigh MagaNoTits and Kellyanne Cryptkeeper seem like virtuous.

seem virtuous.^

The judge who signed the Trump search warrant is facing violent threats from far-right extremists, including some targeting his children.

"I see a rope around his neck,” one wrote, under a post listing the judge's home address.

^She will be ripped limb from limb by the US Attorneys. Nothing left but a perfumed grease spot on simmering asphalt when they get done with her. Stupid filth. A cogent indication of the desperate situation Shitler is finding himself in, she is the "best" he can get now.

Why can’t they arrest these weirdos who make threats online?

^They can, and they WILL be tracked down. Watch and see. They don't play if you threaten a Federal judge.

How about a MOC, R288?

[quote] Who is the snitch?

Jared Kushner, probably.

Maybe, R90.

Or...

R 289, he seems nice

Some Republican lawmakers in Pennsylvania got served with subpoenas today as well.

R290 Noel Casler on Stephanie Miller's show said that Kushner had serial killer vibes. I tend to agree.

If you are innocent why are you taking the fifth. Quote from Donald J Trump.

It is amazing how quickly the so called party of law and order and respect the blue turns on law enforcement when it fits their needs.

R296 Yeah, what happened to "just shut up and obey the police"? That was their mantra when it came to unarmed black people being shot in the back by cops.

Former Nixon attorney John Dean told Anderson Cooper earlier today that the itemization of documents seized from Maga-Lardo yesterday by the FBI contains things "so classified" that they cannot be legally referred to by name or itemized on any list that can be seen by anyone other than the judge who issued the warrant. Top Secret. These were NOT just Donnie and Kim's "love" letters, not just Trump family crime-souvenirs, but real, SECRET, US Government stuff. WHY did Shitler make away with these things? (It's a rhetorical question, I KNOW why he did it: $$$$)

Money and to please his master Vladimir Putin.

OTOH.... he's been out of the White House for 18 months already. Why hasn't he disposed of these documents, whose value must be fading as they become dated?

^^And by "disposed" I mean "sold" or "forwarded on to Moscow" NOT "thrown into the trash"

[quote] US Rep. Anthony Sabatini says FL should expel all federal law enforcement agents from the state, and if they refuse to leave, local law enforcement should arrest them for trespassing.

This is what we’ve come to: Republican lawmakers trying to out-crazy each other in a bid to solidify their MAGAt bona fides.

A couple of random people I follow are spitballing along the lines of what if...

...Secret Service agent(s) who got caught deleting text messages now guiding FBI to the purloined documents...?

Interesting theory. Does that timing work?

So Florida will leave the US and refuse all federal dollars or assistance on their sales tax? Good luck!

Angela V Shelton (of Frangela) has said repeatedly that the authorities would find a folder in Trump's possession marked "Illegal Shit We Did". Isn't it interesting how the comedians are often correct?

^R304: The man is a walking crime syndicated who became President of the United States and wants another shot at it. I'm not "partisan" anything. Donald Trump should have been removed from office, not once, but twice, and deserves to go to jail. Everything he did to this country must and WILL be exposed, very shortly. If you can't see that he is possibly the greatest danger this country has ever faced from within, you're not worth taking seriously.

This delay was due to the fucking asinine idea Democrats seem to be clinging to that they are dealing with normal people. It's the bullshit 'high road' crap that Michelle Obama tried to sell us. They literally spent 18 months in some delusional cloud that law and the legal process mattered to these people. We are literally just lucky that Trump is so fucking stupid that he kept the stuff.

The GOP and GOPers and Trump have all committed so many freaking crimes in the past five or six years it's hard to know what is connected to what. They've staged in insurrection, stolen documents, tried to use fake electors, we know damn good and well Jared and Donald sold every secret we had to foreign nations...it goes on and on.

R22 Mar-A-Lago doesn’t even have air conditioning, and it’s in fucking Florida. I don’t even get the point of Mar-A-Lago. It looks like an overpriced social club, without a golf course on site. So the only thing to do there is why? Swim and eat?

It makes no sense.

BUT HER EMAILS R310!!!!!!

Sarah Palin was just caterwauling about the emails and Benghazi last week. These people have no business being anywhere near the levers of power.

[quote] Two years later, why are partisan Dems obsessed?

Get back to us when we go a day without hearing about Clinton's emails and how Obama divided us from your side, mmmkay?

🚨🚨🚨BREAKING: Federal investigators served subpoenas to several House and Senate Republican offices in the Pennsylvania Capitol.

The information being requested centered around U.S. Rep. Scott Perry, & the effort to seek alternate electors to overturn the 2020 election.

DOJ is really pushing up to that 90 days from the election. Maybe they’re thinking 60.

I think Merrick Garland held off on taking any action on Donald because he still clung to the hope of getting on the Supreme Court someday. Maybe Rujth Bader Ginsburg came to him in a dream and said “Get it through your head, your fellow Republicans aren’t going to let you get any closer to the Court than where you are right now.”

Interesting!

R313

Your side? I voted for Clinton and Biden, but I guess that makes me a "Republican"?

Can we stop with the fantasy that Mar-a-lago doesn't have air conditioning? They have it and they use it year round.

[quote] Your side? I voted for Clinton and Biden, but I guess that makes me a "Republican"?

No one believes you.

As I said @ R244

(and someone else's related comment at R303)

JoeMyGod:

[quote] As I’ve previously noted, “based” is a far-right term meaning to carrying oneself with swagger, unconcerned with the feelings or needs of others.

[quote] The term was popularized by the notorious and violent extremist Kyle Chapman, who calls himself “Based Stickman” after he was arrested at a 2017 Trump rally for beating a protester with a wooden club. Chapman was subsequently charged with several felonies.

Fuck you, r304.

Trump, you and your cohort of Flying Monkeys attempted to loot my legal, non-fraudulent vote for Biden and the votes of 80,000,000 of my fellow Americans.

You're Goddamn right I'm obsessed.

The better questions are, Why aren't you? Why do you place such low value on being an American that you'd be of a kind with that despicable Trump?

^AMEN, baby.

I have had r304 blocked for quite awhile. I only block Dumpers.

I do sometimes appreciate the Trumpistas like r304 for just laying out what the cult is really saying: never, ever, never, ever punish Trump for anything he does or ever has done. That really is a fundamental tenet of the cult, and it is useful for them to lay it out so bluntly sometimes. Some of us do need a reminder what the cult is all about: Trump is perfect, Trump is beyond all criticism, Trump is beyond all law and all punishment, no matter what.

More disturbingly, that is the position of almost every Republican in Congress, in every legislature, and in every governor's mansion. That is what is truly dangerous here. I really do hope everyone gets that and votes accordingly in November.

All bark

Most Americans hate him.

It was a pleasure blocking R304 to fucking oblivion. You’re a pus bag R304. A huge festering pus bag.

I suspect you are right, r326, but I await confirmation this year.

Most of the right-wing threats are by weak people who would never do anything because they know they would go to jail. It’s all keyboard rage. You have to always worry about severe nut jobs, but most of them will never risk getting arrested. This is a major loss for Republicans and they are powerless to undo Trump’s crimes. Most Americans know that eventually criminals get caught and punished.

Did Ron "fat boy" DeSantis turn him in?

Maybe, r331!

The f-b-I didn’t plant evidence at Mar-a-Lago, Miss Lindzebelle. An informant saw you drop your bloomers there. You and Jesse Watters need to speak the truth.

I doubt that DeathSantis could have been the informant. BUT, it is still an excellent rumor to push to spread as much hatred as possible between the two Florida fat boys.

That bastard is paranoid on a good day, imagine how paranoid he is now? 😂

R334 we all must do our part to spread the DeSantis turned on Trump rumor. The more disarray/infighting in the GOP the better!

Who was it, Donald?

It's really interesting to me, at R332, that it's *Newsweek* that is reporting about the informer on Shitler, and what the informer told the FBI about Shitty's trove of illegal docs. *Newsweek*, as of the last year or so, is now owned by a corporation controlled by JARED KUSHNER.

The FBI told them to turn the security cameras off and I would bet that they had an agent watch the employee do it. Eric Trump is a poor liar who most likely has some legal liability in all of this.

^I seriously doubt the FBI relied on someone in that place to just do as they were asked, re the security system. I would imagine they would have left someone in the "control room" to make sure the cameras weren't still on.

[quote]Eric Trump is a poor liar

Gonna stop you right there r339.

R332, Newsweek is presenting it as the raid was a “spectacular backfire” because the Republicans and Trump made a big deal about the raid happening when Trump was gone, and supposedly they were trying to be discreet and not let Trump grandstand in front of Mar a Lago while they were searching. That’s slanted coverage.

In reality, there’s no way Trump and the Republicans wouldn’t make a big deal out of it for political reasons no matter how they did it. There’s no way they could have done it so he wouldn’t call the press and complain. Which is stupid if you think about it, because if he didn’t tell, we’d probably have no idea. And that would give him some breathing room to decide what’s next.

Instead, Trump and his pals are calling for civil war. Some of them are even suggesting assassination of the judge who signed the search warrant. That’s a terrorist threat, and they should be in jail.

The only “failure” here is if they’d searched it while Trump was there, he probably would have been taken into custody while they searched, because he probably would have tried to interfere. But he also would have probably tried to get his MAGAt friends and Florida Man supporters to attack the Secret Service, and those hard core MAGATs are probably all armed with assault weapons and crazy, so I don’t know what else they could have done. The Secret Service probably would have been in a lot more danger if he was there.

If someone had managed to get a tweet off at his request, there could have been a 1/6 style riot there and they probably would have tried to attack the Secret Service and take the boxes back or destroy them. Jared, Ivanka and Melania aren’t stupid enough to try to get in the way of the Secret Service themselves, but his worshippers are. They would have stood back and let the rabble do it while claiming innocence. Mar a Lago is like Mecca to some of these people, they’re always around. And those are the biggest extremists.

They will do anything if “their President” says so, look at the testimony of those people during the investigation. They all claim they went because he asked and thought they were protecting democracy by attacking the government. It could have been a lot worse.

No one cares what Newsweek says

It is not the respected magazine of your Eldergay youth, but a pay-for-play rag owned by a company that basically bought the name, and no one pays much attention to outside of Datalounge.

Newsweek is now a right-wing rag. It was bought out a while ago and the new owners use it for right-wing propaganda. It's no wonder that they're saying the "raid was a bust" when we don't have any idea if it was a bust or not.

Since those documents are surely items the Jan 6th Committee would like to see, I would guess it's not a "bust" at all.

Newsweek hasn't been interesting or a must-read ever since Tina Brown took over years ago.

R318 is right. An old website detailing the interior of Mar-a-Lago says that part of the Portuguese Room is used for air conditioning equipment.

r342, you keep referring to the "Secret Service". They do not execute the search warrant. FBI agents do.

I've been physically present, in a home, when FBI agents were executing a search warrant.

It is a breathtaking, scary, awe-inducing, and, yes, impressive sight.

They are armed. They are coordinated. The choreography and the directness of the agents and the command of the Supervising Captain leave you no doubt that you better not even think of moving or interfering.

It was very obvious to me that they rehearse and practice executing search warrants.

And there are only 3 words that matter if you are present: Obey the Commands.

I find it highly doubtful that even if Trump were there along with some of his henchmen that they would have tried any shit.

And the Secret Service already know they're being ultra-scrutinized after the missing Jan 6th texts.

They wouldn't have interfered on behalf of Trump in that situation and neither would his goons.

But it was for the best that they knew Trump was not going to be there. Why not take that factor off the table?

Trump himself probably is knows it was good he wasn't there. It gives him more fodder for his nonsense that his moronic followers will lap up like the shit-eaters they are.

If they bothered Miss Lindzebelle’s residential suite at Mar-a-Lago, not only will she throw a cussing hissy-fit about it on Fox; the hundreds of gentleman callers that have visited her there, want to retain the fond memories, and are looking forward to future undisturbed visits. The suite’s parlor must retain its charming decor.

^ Lady Lindz has her own legal troubles. She just blew off a subpoena in Georgia. Fani Willis should throw Lindz in the clink, which might be good for her--lots of hunky gentlemen callers in the pokey!

Interesting scenario… of course, this is only supposition and speculation. What if Dump were there? What if he physically tried to block the FBI from his property and got physical with them? What if the Secret Service tried to protect him? The. It’s then a physical showdown between the FBI and the SS. Who prevails?

I bring this up because I totally believe this scenario is a possibility in the future.

This is off-point, but the mention of Miz Lin'sey has set me to wonderin'. If she really does have her own 'dedicated' suite down at Maga-Lardo, doesn't it stand to reason that Shitler would be arranging, totally secretly, to have rentboys pick her up while she's a-callin', and then the Staff would CERTAINLY pick up on secret video *everything* that goes on in her perfumed boodwah down there? For control / blackmail purposes? Makes sense to me, and you know what kind of a fucking criminal we're talking about here...

Does the Lincoln Project have some inside info that Dump gets turned on by ASMR R337? I notice they've done a couple of these ads with whispery ASMR women's voiceovers that are intended to get under his skin.

I could see him getting into another weird kink. He also enjoys Russian call girls tinkling all over his fat rolls.

Graham was so concerned how Georgia voted, she needs to get her ass to Georgia and explain why before the court. It won’t be softball questions from Fox or from Dana Bash on CNN. Same about Rudy. See video.

^And it goes without saying that Lind'seybelle REVELS in being completely in the power of that big, blond, PIG-STINKING brute, her GOD, Donald. Take me to the fainting couch, Donnie!!

One of these traitors has to be the first to be perp walked in handcuffs.

Lindsey would be a good place to start

[quote]Lady Lindz has her own legal troubles. She just blew off a subpoena in Georgia. Fani Willis should throw Lindz in the clink, which might be good for her--lots of hunky gentlemen callers in the pokey!

To be COMPLETELY fair Lindsey sent his lawyer down to represent him.

Still, his physical presence would be helpful.

r350, I know you're a Trump Troll but I'll play.

[quote] What if he physically tried to block the FBI from his property and got physical with them? What if the Secret Service tried to protect him? The. It’s then a physical showdown between the FBI and the SS. Who prevails?

Do you actually believe that Trump has the physical or mental courage for that? Seriously?

The same guy, that, during his presidential campaign could pop off his mouth from the safe remove of a podium and behind a phalanx of Secret Service personnel?

The same guy who was so insecure that he, to group of children -the Boy Scouts of America- salved his political and personal insecurities and that was AFTER he uttered false oath of office and actually was the President?

The same guy who, on Jan 6th, 2022, told his Flying Monkey Votes Looters that "I'll be with you?" and then staged a fake attempt grab the steering wheel to go to the Capitol knowing Full And Well that the SS would prevent it?

You mean that guy would attempt to physically block FBI agents?

Bwahahahaha!

You know, of all of the Cons that Trump has pulled over on his idiotic followers, the one that kinda impresses me most is the one where he has convinced his idiotic followers he's some guy of "tough guy", when really, he's only got a tough, ill-spoken, idiotic mouth.

Della, I’m no Dump troll! Please check my history, I’m a pretty fanatic liberal/Dump hater. And I’ve followed and loved your posts for years. I guess I wasn’t clear. Dump is an absolute coward, but I also think he would do anything to inflict turmoil to benefit himself. And pitting one agency against another would definitely do that. I see him try to be physical, then stepping aside to watch what happens.

Forgot to add, and NO, the Secret Service know a Court order when they see one.

If Trump tried to physically interfere (and I could take a running start, flap my arms, and fly over Lake Michigan before that would happen) they would restrain Trump.

Besides, his Secret Service detail are fat, and out of shape, and out of practice by now. You think they're going to take a look at the very best, physically, mentally and prepared to the teeth, of FBI agents and take them on?

I'll indulge in a bit of "what if?" myself here - it's occurred to me to not keep the possibility open that the reason that some of the SS Agents on Jan 6th, 2022 deleted their texts is because they may have been typing out things like, "Can you Fucking believe what this asshole is doing now?"

ok r358, seriously.

I retract the "Trump Troll" name-calling. I'm sorry.

[quote] Lindsey would be a good place to start

I would consider that going after the low-hanging fruit.

ooops, "...it's occurred to me to KEEP the possibility open..."

But...But...Della/R357!

He wasn't even sweating yesterday...

He was even signing hats!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trump word is flailing and it’s magically delicious!

The secret service protect a person. There’s no reason they should try to protect property. That’s not their job.

Della, how did you witness an FBI search, what were the circumstances?

"HA HA HA HA HA HA" banner flown over Shitler's "home" for hours:

r366, I don't mind your question. I'd prefer, however, not to go into the reasons and details.

[quote] He also enjoys Russian call girls tinkling all over his fat rolls.

Let’s face it, he found them way more satisfying at the task compared to Kelly Ann & Sarah the Huck.

^Or Melanomia

Right wing radio host and Richmond fag John Reid has had ENOUGH!

[quote]Just for the record: as Al Gore and Hillary Clinton already know- strategizing with your lawyers and allies to make sure an election is not stolen from you is NOT the same as strategizing to STEAL an election. Pay close attention to the smooth talking dishonest people in politics and the media who will desperately try to morph the very LEGAL and legitimate effort to protect the integrity of the vote and not allow certification of false numbers into some sort of criminal activity. Gotta be very careful and discerning about who is telling the truth and who is trying to cover up. I think I know who is lying: Same people who have been lying about every accusation they’ve made against their opponents for 6 years.

Newsweek was always late to the game...

The nuclear codes were found under the couch in Miss Lindsay's room.

I swear, he'd rim Trump if given the opportunity...

[quote]Seriously- after the selective NON prosecution of Democrats in the last decade… please don’t try the “no one is above the law” line when it comes to harassing Trump. The people and agencies behind the latest unhinged reckless raid at Mar a Lago are the same people who peddled the Steele Dossier and the imaginary prostitute pee tape and the collusion stories which ALL turned out to be complete lies. What you should be saying is “no one- in any party- is SUPPOSED to be above the law.” We’ve seen that that is just not true for the moment in modern America.

R374:

Thanks Della… and I definitely believe his SS texted stuff like you mention in your post. There’s a reason they wouldn’t let him go to the Capitol, even if they do support his politics.

Are clueless Republicans still saying this helps Trump? Oh my sides.

R378- Yes they really are!! 😂🤡

One word. Russia.

... it inadvertently reflects very well upon the Justice Department,” NBC News Justice reporter covering the DOJ, Ryan J. Reilly observes. “A subpoena was issued to the former president of the United States and it held for nearly three months, until Trump’s own team publicly disclosed it!”

Then, the raid.

r380, I would not dismiss that put-of-hand.

When I ponder that, for a judge to sign that warrant because he or she must be convinced that the supporting information meets probable cause that a crime is being committed, sure, violation by Trump of the Presidential Records Act is the most obvious to speculate about but, I too, think it may be so much more than that.

He creates all this chaos, division and hate. Dude is mental.

His life is at the finish line. Chill, smoke a fatty, fuck his whore, layout by the pool, stuff his fat face with Big Macs and enjoy his grand-brats. Just give them back their papers and be done with it. Be at peace & sail off into the sunset already.

You’d think Americans would be sick of his antics by now and just want to learn from this mistake, forget and move on.

LOVE that, r383.

Armed man attempts to breach the FBI building in Cincinnati. I can't imagine what would motivate a person to do something like this, it's not like Fox News has been attacking the FBI for the last two days or anything.

If Ladybugs G goes to Georgia prison, she’ll find her own “Ralph”. Or Tyrone. They won’t be Italians.

I had no idea that the FBI office in Cincinnati was in control of activities in South Florida.

So what were they looking for?

Most Americans ARE tired of this nonsense. They didn’t want him in 2016. They definitely didn’t want him in 2020. And they really don’t want him around now. It sucks that we still have to hear about him constantly.

Former Republican congressman Joe Walsh:

It won’t surprise you, but I've had hundreds of Republican voters today tell me the FBI planted evidence at Mar-a-Lago. None of them could give me any evidence.

We will see polling next week showing 85% of Republican voters believe the FBI planted evidence at Mar-a-Lago. And just like the 2020 election lie led to violence, this lie will lead to violence as well.

Of course, those same people at r391, think the FBI behave with pristine, beyond-reproach performance when they're busting African Americans suspected of drugs dealing.

Just exhausted. I was exhausted the first year of Beelzebub's time in office. I am beyond exhausted now.

From r376...

That's great, r383...

R384, Trump can’t stop because of all the money he owes. It’s a decades-long Ponzi scheme which, if he pulled away and put himself out to pasture, would come falling down like a house of cards.

This would not only ruin him financially and doom him to a comfortable, but decidedly upper-middle class, lifestyle but would also show the whole world what a failure he is as a business person. Neither of these things are possible because of his narcissistic personality.

R394, old Marjorie is serving some God-tier Hedwig in the pic!

Who cares if some Republicans fall for conspiracy theories? Once he is indicted, they will move on.

This spring the DOJ issued a subpoena to Trump to get him to return classified material. In classic Trump fashion, he tried to "charm" officials into letting the matter go. When it was clear that he would not turn over the material, they ordered the raid.

The article is un-paywalled.

Merrick Garland to speak at 2:30pm EST

[Quote]Trump can’t stop because of all the money he owes. It’s a decades-long Ponzi scheme which, if he pulled away and put himself out to pasture, would come falling down like a house of cards.

Like Putin. An article in the Guardian posited that if Putin left office he would be called out for all his grifting and the monies he stole from the state that are now in foreign banks and foreign investments. He knows he has to hang on to power until death.

[quote]The search warrant was broad, allowing the agents to investigate all areas of the club where classified materials might have been stored. They went through the basement, Mr. Trump’s office and at least part of his residence at the club.

Well, that's interesting. They obviously didn't believe him or his attorney when they said all the documents were kept in the padlocked basement room.

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R400, he’s going to come out measured but strong. As the ultimate head of the FBI, and considering the threats against the federal judge who approved the subpoena, he has to come out and defend the action as well as condemning the rhetoric and violence.

I predict that he’s going to vaguely outline what the FBI went to get, that they found it, the multiple, extended attempts to get the files over the last months, and vaguely refer to the fact the JD is still looking into other questions surrounding Trump and 1/6.

Or, he could announce that Donald is indicted, but that’s more of a dream than an honest prediction.

What's scary is that it is also possible that Trump had no interest in selling the documents, that he just liked to pull them out to impress guests, telling them "this is super classified information that a President gets access to" and was too dumb to realize that left in an open office, spies could easily get to his stash.

Because he really is that dumb.

R405- I share your dream.

R376 I see that Marge Spork-Feet wasted no time in getting the merch table up and running to grift off the rubes. I guess when you are in Congress but you have ZERO committee assignments you have plenty of free time to fund raise and grift from a bunch of brain dead MAGAts.

R408 I blame the media for not ignoring and shunning this ridiculous, insignificant, missing link.

The Murdoch Empire continues to distance itself from Trump.

Today's WSJ Editorial, titled "A Republican Midterm Election Victory Isn’t Assured" contains lines like:

[quote] The actual reason Mr. Trump lost Wisconsin in 2020 was that thousands of Republicans didn’t vote for him. Mr. Michels has a substantial record as a businessman, and he is offering a reform agenda on schools and the economy. But if Democratic Gov. Tony Evers can turn the race into a rehashing of Mr. Trump’s grievances, GOP swing voters might stay swung.

and

[quote] Another Wisconsin warning was the narrow win by Assembly Speaker Robin Vos. Mr. Trump phoned Mr. Vos last month to demand 2020 decertification. Mr. Vos said no. Mr. Trump called him names and backed a primary challenger, Adam Steen, who told a reporter he’d “definitely outlaw contraception.” Mr. Vos’s survival is a dose of sanity, but it was a 260-vote margin.

I wonder. Will Fox do live coverage of Garland's news conference? Do they dare?

R406, think about that famous wall at Mar-a-Lago with all of his magazine covers, including the fake Time cover.

He honestly wanted to frame the letter from Kim Jong Un but had to accept keeping it in his top desk drawer to show the big spenders when visiting the club.

Garland: FBI has filed a motion to allow Trump warrant to be unsealed.

Elie Honig: "Garland has essentially called Donald Trump's bluff with this move."

Ermahgahd!

And now forced Trump to decide whether he wants the Court to deny that.

Ok, months ago, I defended Garland saying that he strikes me as one of those nebbishy guys that has an invisible spine of steel. We all know the type.

I'm on to something with that.

Archived link to WSJ article at R410.

I'll assume that they assume their viewers did not watch the presser or haven't be following closely.

I gave up trying to count all of the lies tossed in with this bluster.

Someone above said that Trump was afraid to go to the Capital, and only grabbed the steering wheel for show. I totally disagree with that. It doesn't make him any less a coward that he wanted to go, but believed, if he did, he would be safe, as all those rioters were his "tribe" and he would show up to get "crowned" as the legitimate leader of the free world.

This is how much if a coward the sadistic bully is:

Lady G has been tweeting relentlessly. Daddy Trump needs her in his hours of need.

3pm tomorrow will be very interesting

R413 Trump's lawyers to Trump: "You're fucked!"

Man suspected of trying to breach the F.B.I.’s Cincinnati office may have Jan. 6 ties.

[quote] Investigators are looking into whether the man who tried to breach the F.B.I.’s field office in Cincinnati on Thursday had ties to extremist groups, including one that participated in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, according to two law enforcement officials familiar with the matter.

[quote] The suspect, identified by the officials as Ricky Shiffer, 42, seems to have appeared in a video posted on Facebook on Jan. 5, 2021, showing him attending a pro-Trump rally at Black Lives Matter Plaza in Washington the night before the Capitol was stormed.

[quote] In May, a Twitter user named Ricky Shiffer replied to a photograph of rioters scaling the walls of the Capitol on Jan. 6 with a message that claimed he was present at the building and seemed to place the blame for the attack on people other than supporters of former President Donald J. Trump.

[quote] “I was there,” the message read. “We watched as your goons did that.”

[quote] Mr. Shiffer was not charged with any crimes in connection with the Jan. 6 attack.

[quote] In another Twitter post, the same user wrote about the far-right nationalist group the Proud Boys.

[quote] “Save ammunition, get in touch with the Proud Boys and learn how they did it in the Revolutionary War, because submitting to tyranny while lawfully protesting was never the American way,” the message read.

[quote] A representative for the F.B.I. declined to comment.

Pitchbot is on fire with this.

[bold] Temple Beth David has canceled its Beach Shabbat this week under a deluge of antisemitic threats about Bruce Reinhart, the judge who signed the Mar-a-Lago search warrant and sits on the synagogue's board. [/bold]

Judge Bruce Reinhart, a former prosecutor who had previously been criticized for representing former employees of Jeffrey Epstein related to his sex-trafficking scandal, appears to be on the board of a South Florida synagogue. Trump loyalists eager to question the legitimacy of the FBI raid seized upon that detail.

What began with Lenny Dykstra, a retired New York Mets legend, questioning the nature of the Conservative synagogue’s Judaism, spilled over onto right-wing social media platforms and message boards, where users published the judge’s name, address and personal information. Threats have been directed at Reinhart’s children and supposed family members as well.

On Thursday, a synagogue member told the Forward that the synagogue’s beachside Shabbat service had been canceled “because of the social media hate.”

One user on 4chan, an online message board known for racist activity, wrote: “About that Judge that signed the search warrant…Bruce Reinhart once quit his job as a U.S. Attorney to work for Jeffrey Epstein.” Another responded writing, “That is a k***. And a pedophile … He should be tried for treason and executed.”

“I see a rope around his neck,” wrote a user on the separate pro-Trump message board formerly called TheDonald, according to Vice News.

Reinhart was sworn in as a magistrate judge for the Southern District of Florida in 2018 after a decade in private practice. He had previously been a prosecutor at the U.S. Attorney’s office for the Southern District of Florida. A Bruce Reinhart is listed on the current board of trustees on the website of Temple Beth David, a synagogue in Palm Beach Gardens.

The synagogue did not immediately respond to inquiries on Tuesday afternoon.

Two additional warrants were assigned to Reinhart and entered into the court system on Monday, according to the Miami Herald, but remained sealed as of Tuesday afternoon.

Dykstra, a three-time Major League Baseball All-Star with the Mets and Phillies who was raised Christian, has stayed in the headlines since his retirement in 1996. The New York Post reported in 2018 — months after he was arrested on charges of threatening an Uber driver — that Dykstra was attending weekly Torah study with Rabbi Shmuel Metzger, who is affiliated with the Chabad movement. (Charges stemming from the Uber incident were dropped in 2019.)

“I hope you all weren’t expecting that the synagogue where go-ahead-and-raid-Trump Judge #BruceReinhart is on the board of trustees is one where the congregation keeps kosher, observes the sabbath, etc. You can bet they’re into “social justice” of course!” Dykstra tweeted Tuesday to his nearly 87,000 followers.

He also did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but many on Twitter swiftly denounced his post.

“This is dangerous and should be reported,” one reply read.

“Wow. So you’re an antisemite. Somehow I’m not surprised,” wrote another.

Reinhart, who donated $1,000 to Barack Obama’s first presidential campaign in 2008 and $500 to Jeb Bush’s bid for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016, has had his own history of controversy. His representation of people connected to Epstein and the fact that he took them on the day after leaving the U.S. Attorney’s office in 2008 raised eyebrows at the time, and again after he was sworn in as a judge four years ago.

The Miami Herald reported in November 2019 that Epstein hired Reinhart in 2008 to represent several of his former employees in cases related to Epstein’s sex-trafficking enterprise.

[...]

After news of the Mar-a-Lago raid broke Monday night, a popular Twitter account that describes itself as “Alt-Center” expressed shock to its approximately 250,000 followers that Reinhart had approved the search, asking: “THIS BRUCE REINHART???”

Can Marge be charged in his death?

I’ve been working all day. What’s happening at 3:00 Pm tomorrow?

A late lunch, Rose. ^

Lol @ r429. Yep late lunch

[quote]“I hope you all weren’t expecting that the synagogue where go-ahead-and-raid-Trump Judge #BruceReinhart is on the board of trustees is one where the congregation keeps kosher, observes the sabbath, etc. You can bet they’re into “social justice” of course!” Dykstra tweeted Tuesday to his nearly 87,000 followers.

So he's essentially goysplaining Judaism to a bunch of Jews on behalf of his real religion, Trumpism. Got it

[quote]Dykstra, a three-time Major League Baseball All-Star with the Mets and Phillies who was raised Christian, has stayed in the headlines since his retirement in 1996. The New York Post reported in 2018 — months after he was arrested on charges of threatening an Uber driver

In other words, a complete asshole who, surprise, surprise, loves and worships Donald Trump.

^ threatening an Uber driver with violence sounds more Christian than Jewish.

Now, threatening him with a lawyer...

How fucking stupid are they to threaten a judge and FBI agents children? Wtf has he done ?

[quote]Yes, Lindsey. It would be nice to get away for awhile from all this Deep State unfairness. However, I am not taking you to Sandals Grenada Resort and SPA.

His supporters are now trying to get into the FBI offices in their cities with guns. This one ended up dead.

R436 Good. No more treating these assholes with kid gloves. I've said for years it was a mistake for the Obama DOJ to not blow away the Bundy people that took over the government buildings in their "seige". Not blowing them away a la Waco only emboldened these fools to become more dangerous insurrectionists/terrorists.

Joe Scarborough

r428. Trump has until 3pm tomorrow to respond to AG Garland's request to the Court that it unseal the search warrant.

Why couldn't MTG be that domestic terrorist killed by the FBI in Ohio... SAD!

Is this the reason Mark Meadows hasn't been indicted by DoJ?

Mar-a-Lago is on the barrier island surrounded on two sizes by water, how the hell does it have a basement storage room and how moldy is it?

They went in to find documents about our nuclear program.

Jo 🌻 @JoJoFromJerz ·

BREAKING: Rudy Giuliani, who told Georgia prosecutors that he was medically unfit to travel to Georgia has been BUSTED traveling to New Hampshire.

What did OP do to get greyed out?

Breaking: Among the documents were documents about Nuclear Weapons according to Josh Dawsey of WaPo.

Thanks r439!

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[quote]Is this the reason Mark Meadows hasn't been indicted by DoJ?

I find it surprising if he's cooperating if only because I remember his lawyer dismissing Hutchinson's testimony and saying she'd fold under cross-examination.

Unforgivable the amount of danger our government and justice department has allowed us to be all of these years. Inexcusable and unforgivable.

Don't forget deeply humiliating r450. We are so much better than this.

Poor Joe Biden. What an unholy war he has been fighting to save the ungrateful asses of this country who mock his age and speech impediment. How fucked would we be right now without him? Trump gutted every state and government department and put his corrupt thugs in every position of power that he could fill. That is what Joe Biden stepped into. It has taken this long to even begin to rebuild and refill those positions.

R453, perfectly said.

R453, I'm just waiting fro DeJoy to be removed. They just recently removed his ally, so it should be coming soon, I hope.

I appreciate and am very grateful for Joe Biden. t was divine intervention that he is where he is right. He really is our savior. He may not be appreciated now, but he will go down as one of the greatest President's in our history.

It amazes me how he can just keep on working hard for our country and getting major things done while being surrounded by so much chaos and people trying to undermine him.

His strength and focus is almost supernatural.

Sorry for all those typos. I see them and wish I could edit.

I can't to hear how Trump will try to spin having Nuclear Codes just lying around at Mar-a-lago

I’m sure they have changed the nuclear codes by now, Rose.

[quote] I’m sure they have changed the nuclear codes by now, Rose.

That is not the point - the point is how will Trump try to explain his way out of having Nuclear Codes just lying around Mar-a-lago

R459- There are many other codes to worry about, unfortunately.

R460- It would not surprise me at this point if he tried to flee the country, don't you think?

I agree Trump might flee. Hopefully, he is being watched carefully.

Also, this makes me wonder, now knowing what Trump had at Mar-A-Loga, that the person who is the source of providing info to Justice - just might be a Secret Service agent. One of the new ones that came in after Strangle Gate.

[quote]t was divine intervention that he is where he is right. He really is our savior.

Please stop this shit, now. He is there because enough Americans still give a fuck. Hopefully enough Americans will still give a fuck this November and in 2024. No divine saviour bullshit. This is on us, always has been, always will be.

The nuclear codes are changed daily.

But there may have been plenty of valuable information in those documents. I bet Putin asked Trump for them at the end of Trump's term.

Who vas vearing a vire? Vas it ze Varist Letty Melania?

Even something along the lines how NATO would respond if Russia invaded the Baltic counties, or used a tactical nuclear weapon in some place like Ukraine would be extremely harmful. And of a lot of value to Putin.

So 30 armed agents spent 9 hours looking for nuclear paperwork in Vairst Letty's underwear drawer?

This gets better and better!

I do love the idea of Trump having to wonder every time he is in a room, who is wired? But again, I have no doubt, ALL of Mar a Lago is wired. He always deals in blackmail, always, and always spies on everyone, always. So I guess it's more, who has access to all the shit that I am doing, and who told?

United States Constitution. Article III, Section 3:

[quote]Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

It's an interesting question r470. Is plotting to prevent the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another president, elected constitutionally, an example of levying War again the United States?

sorry, "against" not "again."

R470- Didn't he allow a target to put on our military? Wasn't it revealed that he owned Putin millions of dollars? He has committed so many crimes since 2016 that it is impossible to remember all of them.

[quote] So 30 armed agents spent 9 hours looking for nuclear paperwork in Vairst Letty's underwear drawer?

She probably begged them to just finger her ass for a few minutes.

R474- She should be put in a cell right next to him, fascist cunt.

That rent-a-poosay is wider and deeper than the Holland Tunnel. It's understandable.

That poor FBI agent who had to wire up Melanie's snatch. I'm sure they lost a few down there, it's so big. And the echoes! Ay-yi-yi!

Didn't the Rosenbergs get the chair for less (or equa) -- and maybe Ethel didn't deserve it, but her husband certainly? These are dastardly doings Pres. Fuckface did.

equal)

Yes, and in fact, the lawyer who prosecuted the Rosenbergs was none other than ROY COHN - who also worked for Donald Trump early in his career. Small world.

R478- Just think back to the dark time, the time the beast bellowed into office. Try to remember everything he has done to damage and humiliate everything we stand for. Every crime, every EPA violation, every gleeful, smirking low life he put in positions of power just to destroy whatever agency they put in. Remember his first week when we had to anxiously wait while these crave mother fuckers did everything to take away our healthcare? The first week. We have forgotten most of his atrocities because of the massive amount of them. The fucking delight that sick pos took in keeping us confused, frightened, in chaos, angry, in shock while he spit on everything we held dear. We must never allow our government to have that much power over us again. The dark money has to be taken out of politics, term limits, never a Mitch McConnell again. We have allowed them to have complete control over us and to get rich from holding office. And every republican should be shunned by polite society and the mother fuckers banned from holding any office in this country.

[quote]ROY COHN - who also worked for Donald Trump early in his career.

Cohn was Trump's biggest mentor until he died.

R482, not quite. Trump abandoned him when he was dying.

Somehow North Korea is going to be part of this story.

The Nuclear materials Trump took with him could be worth hundreds of billions on the open market. But I'm sure he would never sell them unless the corrupt FBI absolutely forces him to.

Roy Cohn died of AIDS. That should be brought up every time his name is mentioned in connection with Trump. I think it's really sad but you know something like that would really, really get under Trump's skin because he perceives this as weakness.

As of course, he did, and completely abandoned Roy Cohn the second he got sick r486. Not that the old asshole didn't deserve it, completely, but still, cold, bitch!

R487- Trump cruelly mocked his own father when he was suffering from dementia. Try wrapping your head around that level of sadism.

And he mocked a disabled reporter on national tv. Such a fine human!

But this is the kind of shit the Deplorables love.

If Trump were to die in prison, his cult followers will claim the government killed him. Hell Trump could probably stroke out in front of a huge crowd at one of his rallies and his cult followers will claim the government killed him.

R489- Had any other person running for office done that it would have been the end of his political career, but the deplorables thought that was just awesome!

Unlike Epstein r490, who if anybody was murdered, well ... But that would all lead to very unpleasant questions about Trump and Epstein and their very special friendship.

Cohn told a friend once privately that he didn't regard himself as homosexual because homos were disenfranchised and had no power. He regarded himself as the most powerful man in the country -- and in some ways he was -- therefore he couldn't be homosexual.

Russians have ways of making their exposed assets eat sushi of unknown quality.

Epstein was definitely killed on Trump's order to protect him from being exposed as the child rapist he is.

18 months is a lonnnng time to sit on your ass and issue subpoenas when you know a criminal has nuclear paperwork.

That may have been in Angels in America r493, but regardless. I think you are right. I think he really did believe homo means weak and powerless, therefore can't be a homo. He seems such a good example of the Smart/Stupid man.

R496- It is dangerous and inexcusable. It makes no logical sense to me.

I understand that we are still facing very dangerous times, but until today I haven't felt any hope at all for the future. Even if we are still screwed, which we probably are, it still feels as if a heavy burden has somehow been lifted and maybe a little bit of healing can begin if he is held accountable and we no longer have to have this diabolical piece of garbage in our face anymore.

can we please hang him? He needs to be tried for treason!

He stole nuclear secrets! Refused to turn them over!!!!

I'm sure the secrets are long gone...I don't know why he wants the papers.

This man cannot be allowed back into the white house.

He needs to be tried for treason!

They need to go after him, fuck that shit about not going after former presidents etc.

Treason, takes an official declaration of war. Sedition and insurrection have piddly consequences.

However, ESPIONAGE sent Reality Winner to prison for 5 years and Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg to the electric chair.

ESPIONAGE, that's the ticket.

It is so insane to apply traditional norms and laws to Trump. We have NEVER had a pile of shit like him in the WH. You cannot apply old rules to someone like him. He did something unprecedented, so you cannot apply the old rule to him.

I’ve long felt that, as much as he deserves it, it wouldn’t be a good idea to put a former president in jail. But this psycho SOB is making it so there isn’t any choice but to throw him in jail. Just when you think he can’t sink any lower, he sinks lower.

In honor of the terrorist idiot in Cincinnati 😂:

Remember, Kushner got $2 billion from the Saudis, we thought it was all about Khashoggi. But what if they also paid for the nuclear codes? $2 billion sounds reasonable for that, I’m not sure it is for Khashoggi.

All the Trumps had to do about the Khashoggi business was shut up about it, I’m not sure they needed to bribe Kushner for that, the Trumps have gotten money from the Saudis for years, they probably would have covered it up for free.

What was the rationale for $2 billion?

Achieving peace in the Middle East, dumbass.

I hope R508 is kidding.

I thought it was $2 billion to set up an equity firm. That in of itself is suspicious.

The best way to punish Trump is to leave him alive, free, and poor.

I recall when he was elected saying he doesn't know what he's doing and he's only in this to make money and fleece the whole country.

Personally, I don't think that he wanted to win; he just loved the attention and he was going to announce a new media empire after he lost. Then, he won and he got hooked on the power.

Sadly, his supporters will cry he was framed and 'they were determined to get him for something' and never admit what he did was wrong.

A friend described Trump as a 'street fighter.' Well, his in for the fight of his life now.

Rumor is that it may have been one of the SS who led the FBI to the treasure trove

Trump called for the release of the warrant earlier tonight, not waiting for tomorrow. Press links in thread below.

That rancid cunt MTG sent out a Tweet saying we should remove these communist from our government so I tweeted back ' I absolutely agree. Resign.' Yam faced beast.

Jared Kushner Now Under Congressional Investigation for Landing Sketchy Saudi Investment (june 2 2022)

A $2 billion investment by a Saudi Arabian wealth fund in Jared Kushner’s private equity firm is the subject of an investigation by the House Committee on Oversight and Reform, according to a letter the committee sent to former President Trump’s son-in-law and White House adviser. The New York Times reported the investigation on Thursday.

In a letter requesting documents, committee chair Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) writes to Kushner that the government wants to know “whether your personal financial interests improperly influenced U.S. foreign policy” during the Trump administration. The letter requests that Kushner turn over any communications he had with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who controls the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund (PIF).

“Your close relationship with Crown Prince bin Salman, your pro-Saudi positions during the Trump Administration, and PIF’s decision to fund the lion’s share of your new business venture — only six months after the end of your White House tenure — create the appearance of a quid pro quo for your foreign policy work during the Trump Administration,” the letter states.

The substantial Saudi investment into Affinity Partners, Kushner’s firm, has led to concerns from ethics experts. The firm’s parent company was incorporated on the first full day after Trump left office, Maloney notes in the letter. She also cites reports indicating that “PIF’s investment committee expressed significant concerns about the ‘inexperience of the Affinity Fund management’ and about your own limited experience in private equity.”

The Times reported last month that in the final weeks of the Trump administration, Kushner and former Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin sought Middle East funding for what seemed to be the Abraham Fund, a result of a 2020 peace agreement between the U.S., Israel and the UAE. However, according to the report, the money they raised ended up going to their own firms.

A spokesperson for Kushner offered a statement to the Times in response to the House committee’s activities. “While achieving six peace deals in the Middle East, Mr. Kushner fully abided by all legal and ethical guidelines both during and after his government service,” it said. “He is proud to be among many private sector stakeholders advancing connectivity between Americans, Israelis and Arabs to encourage continued regional progress.”

The committee has given Kushner two weeks to respond to its requests.

Besides the Saudi 2 billion the Qataris bailed out Kushner's skyscraper 666 (kid you not) for 1.1 billion. It was an OBVIOUS shake down. It's appalling nothing has been pursued about this!!!

[quote]I appreciate and am very grateful for Joe Biden.

I would add to that, Nancy Pelosi has been crucial in helping to pull the country back from the brink. She get's a lot of shit -some of it deserved - but her leadership has been crucial.

As far as this latest development, the repigs will be all over the news about fake news, nuclear codes never work anyway, blah blah blah. If the last couple of years have taught us anything, it's that there is no bottom with them & they will literally defend anything where Trump is concerned because they don't want the MAGA mobs they've whipped up all these years to turn on *them*

Dianne Feinstein, Lindzey Belle could use another hug.

Rick Wilson:

We're entering the phase where Mitch and Kevin and a few others will issue some kind of elliptical statement after raging off the record with reporters about how angry they are.

Then they'll return to picking corn out of Trump's stool and declaring it to be diamonds.

Absolutely agreed R450.

[quote] The search warrant was broad, allowing the agents to investigate all areas of the club where classified materials might have been stored. They went through the basement, Mr. Trump’s office and at least part of his residence at the club.

The FBI should have torn that place down to the ground, leaving no literal stone unturned, in full view of the public and MAGAland. Fuck around and find out Republicans. We are being way too kind and gentle with these traitors.

[quote]One user on 4chan, an online message board known for racist activity, wrote: “About that Judge that signed the search warrant…Bruce Reinhart once quit his job as a U.S. Attorney to work for Jeffrey Epstein.” Another responded writing, “That is a k***. And a pedophile … He should be tried for treason and executed.”

Hell, that could be a Datalounger. We had a thread a couple of days ago where someone posted this fake information about Reinhart working for Epstein -- he didn't, he was hired by some employees of Epstein's, not Epstein himself -- and the last I checked, it was descending into the kind of antisemitism that's becoming all too common around here.

Rick Wilson also had a line in one of his tweets about McCarthy & McConnell picking corn out of Trump's shit & calling them diamonds.

He could be the King of DL, if he wanted to be!

I predict Jared, Ivanka and their kids will flee to Israel, iirc Jared has citizenship there too? Jared’s arrangement with the Saudis is finally going to start being investigated.

Did the Kushners return to the US from their little trip before or after Ivana's death? I wonder if they planned on coming back at all.

I think Ivana was leaving town because she knew the shit was about to hit the fan. I doubt she was planning on returning.

It would be pretty interesting to know whether Ivana knew about any of this before she died.

R426, notice now the violent threats to this judge are not sparking the same media freakout and IMMEDIATE Congressional action as the peaceful protests of SCOTUS judges did?

Why did the FBI wait almost 2 years to raid Mar a Lardo?

r523 "That could be a datalounger"

It certainly could.

I swear if ever hear that Drumph is assassinated I'll immediately assume it was a DL'er

R529, Because they had to be 99.9% certain about what they’d find and an informant can’t be cultivated overnight.

Depends on who is doing the cultivating r531.

Ok, r53, then why did they get the warrant midday Friday yet wait until Monday to carry out the raid?

There were Nuclear secrets in there and the FBI not only took 18 months off from it while visiting the place to analyse and remove documents, but THEN ALSO took a 3 day weekend off AFTER GETTING THE WARRANT TO SEARCH?

Do you now understand now how Trump gets away with everything?

Trump, McCarthy, and other GQP politicians attacking the F-B-I and DoJ will not profit them for long. Pissing off these agencies may result in these government agencies going after the MAGA corruption with much more zeal now. Their fanatic constituents lambasting a “Jewish” judge is offensive to some very powerful people.

Linsey Graham with her “yeah, yeah, yeah” at Fox’s Jesse Watters suggestion that the F - B - I was at Mar-a-Lago to plant evidence, should face consequences from her Senate colleagues. Yet, the cable media and other news outlets, continue to be obsessed about covering and defending this very disturbing politician.

Congress needs to be demanding Lachlan Murdoch appear for formal hearings to answer serious questions.

[quote]Yet, the cable media and other news outlets, continue to be obsessed about covering and defending this very disturbing politician.

I don't think they're obsessed - I think Lady G is good TV and yet even mainstream outlets give airtime to this blatant liar who really is no different at this point than Gaetz or Large Marge because they're all just doing the Master's bidding. If the media just ignored him, his role as Chief Trump Cheerleader would be severely diminished

Javanka's silence on the antisemitic threats to the judge is very telling.

Trump is never going to say anything despite that fact that a good portion of his inner circle is Jewish, and--something I'd noted on here before and he himself confirmed in an article in NY Magazine this week--people often assumed he was Jewish back in the 80s and 90s.

I view the media is preoccupied with Lindsey Graham. and it isn’t just Fox. Dana Bash just had Graham on the CNN morning show: The State of the Union. He was not asked one question about the Georgia meddling. Fox has Graham on sometimes twice a day. There are 99 other Senators. Kassie Hunt, Jake Sherman, and all the rest, need to ask Graham about his actions, not just reporting his quipped opinions. Fox hosted a series of Graham - Bernie Sanders debates. That had an agenda.

Graham has an active PR team and is known to be good on camera

Other Senators don't have time/interest/talent for it

^Enjoy her entertainment. Some of us in SC knew about her bulls hitting and wind-blowing tactics decades ago. Too bad she keeps getting re-elected.

[quote]Some of us in SC knew about her bulls hitting

Pics please of the senator hitting bulls.

Corn? When did I eat corn?

[quote]It would be pretty interesting to know whether Ivana knew TOO MUCH before she died.

Fixed.

[quote] Her version of "Stand back and stand by."

[quote]Corn? When did I eat corn?

Yesterday, I checked; the Mar A Lardo kitchen staff are injected as much starch & fat into your diet as humanly possible in hopes you'll explode like a walking Zeppelin

R533 is a stealth troll. I’m fact, anyone who mentions “18 months” in their post is a troll.

Did it result in a grease fire?

*In fact

These guys are fully warmed up if any of you have any goalposts you need moved:

Perhaps Trump is hanging out a bit too much during weekend late evening hours in Mar-a-Lago with Ladybugs G.

For what it's worth:

[quote] The aggressive rhetoric may be boosting Trump's base support and fundraising, but it's not cutting through for this mix of Democrats, independents and Republicans who once backed him.

[quote] Details: Eleven of 12 participants said it was appropriate for the FBI to execute a signed search warrant at the home of the former president — and that it would be a serious crime to take documents from the White House in an unauthorized fashion even if that person previously held the office.

[quote] None said they would support Trump if he ran again.

[...]

[quote] While a focus group is not a statistically significant sample like a poll, the responses show how some voters are thinking and talking about current events.

[...]

[quote] The big picture: These focus group participants weren't just sour on Trump. Nearly all said they'd prefer Democrat Charlie Crist to incumbent Ron DeSantis in this year's governor's race and none said they wanted DeSantis to be the next president.

[quote] Many took issue with DeSantis' stances on social issues, including the so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill and abortion restrictions.

[quote]We had a thread a couple of days ago where someone posted this fake information about Reinhart working for Epstein -- he didn't, he was hired by some employees of Epstein's, not Epstein himself -- and the last I checked, it was descending into the kind of antisemitism that's becoming all too common around here.

You need to stop acting like it's just Jews these people go after. You've just described the exact same thing that was done to Khizir Khan (the Muslim goldstar father). Trump's parasites attacked that man by saying he worked for the Saudis because his law firm (with numerous locations) had Saudis as clients, but he never directly worked for them. They started in with the whole "Muslim Brotherhood" crap, too. It's what Trump's scum do to EVERYONE who deigns to question their dear leader.

They of course ignore the actual ones working for and with the Saudis are the Trumps and the Kushners.

orb

Exactly, R552.

Asha Rangappa

[quote] Mark my words: The next talking point will be that the documents could not have been THAT dangerous, bc DOJ took so long to get them. Which they did to offer him every possible courtesy and benefit of the doubt. It never pays to be nice to bullies

Also Asha about Rep. Turner in R548

[quote] This guy is the jerk that tried to mansplain me on classified info once on @OutFrontCNN (about the Soleimani strike) — telling me how important it was to keep secret things secret and not to worry my pretty little head about it

Mark Turner could not be more the face of conservative, old, white guy douchebag

Mike* Turner

[quote]You need to stop acting like it's just Jews these people go after.

I said no such thing, r551, and FUCK YOU for claiming I did.

[quote]Mark my words: The next talking point will be that the documents could not have been THAT dangerous, bc DOJ took so long to get them.

If our "18 months" troll is any indication, they've already started heavily pushing that talking point.

It doesn't matter.

What matters is that enough independents and Country Club Republicans get turned off Trump and his followers that they will sink to minority party.

You all are delusional if you think the MAGAts on Twitter are going to wake up this morning and tweet "Gosh, I was wrong. He IS a traitor! Shame on me for believing him!"

I tried to buy nuclear secrets from Trump and he farted in my face!

I got a free nuclear secret when I purchased a Trump golf club membership!

lol, r561

What's the "18 months" thing about? I missed a memo, I think.

What possible justification is there for Trump to have top secret nuclear documents in his country club basement? None! I hope they bust him for sharing and/or selling top secret information with foreign nations.

If there were a God, Trump would have spontaneously combusted into a grease fire long ago,

[quote]I hope they bust him for sharing and/or selling top secret information with foreign nations.

He's supposed to be busted just for having them at all. He supposed to be busted for a lifetime of criminality including assault and rape.

We're living in a really bad movie.

Ze Dahnald did not grab ze poosey. Vas locker rhuum talk.

It’s being reported by WaPo and CNN that 11 sets of classified documents were removed, as well as a dossier on Macron.

Sorry, that’s WSJ and not WaPo…some weird shit was also removed like a hand written note pardoning Rodger Stone.

One those Republicans this morning, I think Chris something, said if Trump had materials from the Special Access Programs classification it would be a big problem. And he has them. I love it when trump saws off every branch these dipshits go out on for him.

R563 it's bullshit from a MAGAt trying to sow confusion and make the FBI seem like the real problem instead of Trump.

I wonder if now he fights releasing the warrant so his friendly media outlets will be controlling the info.

Someone leaked info to the WSJ. Guaranteed it wasn't the DOJ but the Trump camp. And they did it to beat the official DOJ release, just to give their talking heads time to run interference.

Current MAGA bullshit is that Trump "declassified" those documents.

I suspect it is one of those things he thought he could do but did not in fact have the power to do

I am imagining him standing over the docs chanting "I declassify you! I declassify you!" I declassify you and thinking that did the trick.

so what does it say?

The WSJ and NYPost have turned on Trump so it’s not necessarily to give MAGATs a head start.

Again, you can’t declassify top secret nuclear documents. His goose is cooked.

Not only that, r578, but only a sitting president can declassify documents.

FBI seized 11 sets of classified documents in Trump Mar-a-Lago raid: report

The Wall Street Journal, citing a leaked inventory of what was taken from the Palm Beach resort, reported that agents removed around 20 boxes as well as a handwritten note, binders of photos, and Trump’s clemency grant to his longtime adviser Roger Stone.

Among the classified materials collected were four sets of top secret documents, three sets of secret documents and three of confidential documents, according to the three-page list. Top Secret is the highest level of classification the US government can give information, followed by Secret and Confidential.

One set was marked “Various classified/TS/SCI documents,” which is the abbreviation for “top secret/sensitive compartmented information,“ while the list also included a reference to information related to the “President of France.” see also Former President Donald Trump’s attorney, Christina Bobb, claims he and his family witnessed the FBI raid from CCTV footage. Trump and his family watched FBI raid on security footage, lawyer claims

The inventory did not include any more detail about what each document contained, according to the Journal.

Fox News, which obtained a copy of the search warrant, reported that the document authorized the FBI to seize “all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed” in violation of federal law.

The warrant also gave agents the go-ahead to collect any presidential records they found that were created while Trump was in office.

“The locations to be searched include the ‘45 Office,’ all storage rooms, and all other rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by FPOTUS and his staff and in which boxes or documents could be stored, including all structures or buildings on the estate,” the warrant stated.

Agents were not authorized to search areas occupied by Mar-a-Lago members or those locations not used by Trump and his staff, according to the warrant.

A federal magistrate judge had given the 45th president’s legal team until 3 p.m. Friday to respond to a DOJ motion to unseal the inventory, known as a “property receipt,” as well as the search warrant itself.

Trump revealed he had no issue with the documents being released, writing on his Truth Social platform early Friday that he is “ENCOURAGING the immediate release.”

The former president’s lawyers have argued he used his power to declassify the now-seized material before he left the White House, an insistence Trump echoed in response to the leak.

“Number one, it was all declassified,” he wrote on Truth Social. “Number two, they didn’t need to ‘seize’ anything. They could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics and breaking into Mar-a-Lago. It was in secured storage, with an additional lock put on as per their request. They could have had it anytime they wanted—and that includes LONG ago. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ASK. The bigger problem is, what are they going to do with the 33 million pages of documents, many of which are classified, that President Obama took to Chicago?”

The Washington Post reported late Thursday that the feds were looking for “classified documents relating to nuclear weapons” during the raid, though it is not clear whether such documents were recovered by the bureau.

Trump lashed out early Friday, claiming the report about the nuclear weapons papers was a “Hoax.”

“Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more,” Trump raged on his Truth Social platform.

“Same sleazy people involved. Why wouldn’t the FBI allow the inspection of areas at Mar-a-Lago with our lawyer’s [sic], or others, present. Made them wait outside in the heat, wouldn’t let them get even close – said ‘ABSOLUTELY NOT’.”

Trump then suggested federal agents might have planted information while executing the search warrant.

“Planting information anyone? Reminds me of a Christofer [sic] Steele Dossier!” the former president said.

The DOJ had filed the motion to unseal the documents as Attorney General Merrick Garland said Thursday he “personally approved” the search warrant.

“The Department does not take such a decision lightly,” Garland told reporters. “Where possible, it is standard practice to seek less intrusive means as an alternative to a search, and to narrowly scope any search that is undertaken.”

[quote] It was in secured storage, with an additional lock put on as per their request.

Oh, not to worry, kids. There was an additional lock on the materials.

[quote] ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ASK.

The subpoena delivered months ago did.

so what secret was related to president of FRANCE?

he took top secret info about him!!!

[quote] Trump lashed out early Friday, claiming the report about the nuclear weapons papers was a “Hoax.”

[quote] “Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more,” Trump raged on his Truth Social platform.

God, I wish Trump himself is a hoax. A boogeyman parents scare their children with.

Enough with this dick and his fake news and hoaxes claims

Guys, do we think the President of France is about to be OUTED?????????????????????

Trump is already inconsistent in his TS tweets that no one reads.

It’s pretty amazing this doofus has half the county now hating the FBI. Almost unbelievable

Do you all think some large scale disaster/carnage will happen? All these bad vibes are giving me huge anxiety

He’s toast. He’s seen now as a weakling who threatened US national security. I expect Republicans to start slowly backing away, whichever ones are left.

[quote] It’s pretty amazing this doofus has half the county now hating the FBI.

Half? One third, tops.

Hope ur right r590

Donald isn't contesting the court releasing the warrant. So we'll get to verify what his camp already put out.

When will the indictment be released? Mamma needs a pair of new shoes.

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

Quick, someone put Kevin McCarthy on suicide watch.

[quote] Quick, someone put Kevin McCarthy on suicide watch.

Only if it's the same kind as Epstein's.

r593 It shouldn't be too long since Donald isn't contesting this. I wish we could get the really good stuff which is the documents telling why they had probable cause to believe he's committing these crimes.

1) Espionage

2) Obstruction

3) Removing Government Records

Even Breitbart can't spin it.

The only logic to hold onto and transport classified nuclear weapons data outside government authorities, is sell or trade that intelligence to foreign sources or individuals or groups pursuing developing nuclear weapons or match or diminish the nuclear weapons and technology of the U.S,

Who knows how much have been shared or delivered to Poo10 already.

Could Mango Con be seeking to sell the data for billions delivered and laundered into his off-shore/secret foreign account?

Grand treason for $$$$$$$$?

11 sets of classified documents

20 boxes

Binders of photos

Handwritten note and Executive Grant of Clemency for Roger Stone

Information of French President

It's very *very* possible that Brietbart did not realize they were confirming it involved espionage. "Oh this looks like it's just some technicalities about storing documents!"

Trump is done. Republican politicians will start saying they “hardly knew him”.