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Every Soap Opera Has Had Reformed Rapist

Every soap opera has featured a male character who raped a female character - but then be reformed as a regular member of society. and even a fan favorite of the female viewers! Some shows have even had two or three rapists who were later redeemed as a hero!

So what does this say about rape being taken seriously on Soap Operas?

All My Children - Rapist Ross Chandler - Victim Natalie Hunter

As The World Turns - Rapist John Dixon - Victim Kim Reynolds (Martial Rape)

Another World - Rapist Jake McKinnon - Victim Marley Love

Bold & Beautiful - Rapist Thomas Forrester - Victim Caroline Spencer II

Days of our Lives - Rapist Jack Deveraux - Victim Kayla Brady

General Hospital - Rapist Luke Spencer - Victim Laura Baldwin

Guiding Light - Rapist Roger Thorpe - Victim Holly Thorpe

Loving - Rapist Danny Roberts - Victim Ally Rescott (though Ally framed Danny for Rape, to avenge her husband killing, but later fell in love with her husband's killer!)

Ryan's Hope - Rapist Roger Coleridge - Victim Maggie Shelby (attempted rape)

One Life To Live - Rapist Todd Manning - Victim Marty Saybrooke

Santa Barbara - Rapist Dash Nichols - Victim Julia Wainwright

Texas - Rapist Justin Marshall - Victim Reena Bellman

Young & Restless - Rapist Michael Baldwin - Victim Christine Blair (attempted rape)

by Anonymousreply 378June 27, 2022 11:04 PM

Because women are turned on by that subconsciously. That's the whole reason for the popularity of The Handmaid's Tale. It's torture porn.

by Anonymousreply 1June 16, 2022 4:02 PM

OLTL was different than most of the others because Todd was never fully reformed nor was he or the viewers ever allowed to forget that Todd was a rapist. He was a perfect example of there being a person who committed rape and had to deal with the consequences of that action for the rest of his life. Even when he did the rare heroic thing, he was still a rapist.

GH later started acknowledging Luke's past after the success of Todd's story.

by Anonymousreply 2June 16, 2022 4:20 PM

R2 um didn't Marty get amnesia and fall in love with him at one point?

by Anonymousreply 3June 16, 2022 4:21 PM

R3 Yes and no. It turned out, much later, that that Todd was not Todd, but his brother. Even then it was used as a way to revisit the rape and to show Todd as a rapist. many people felt like his actions during that storyline was worse than the initial rape.

by Anonymousreply 4June 16, 2022 4:35 PM

Wasn't Marty raped by several men?

by Anonymousreply 5June 16, 2022 4:41 PM

It was a gang rape instigated by Todd.

by Anonymousreply 6June 16, 2022 4:47 PM

The GH and GL examples you mention were also marital rape.

by Anonymousreply 7June 16, 2022 4:51 PM

[quote] The GH and GL examples you mention were also marital rape.

Laura was married to Scotty, not Luke at the time of her rape.

by Anonymousreply 8June 16, 2022 4:51 PM

Back in the day Executive Producer Glory Monty and head-writer Pat Falken Smith called the Luke & Laura encounter a "Seduction" not rape

by Anonymousreply 9June 16, 2022 4:52 PM

I don't think Roger Thorpe was ever reformed. He was Springfield's chief villain up until Michael Zaslow's illness forced him to leave. The rape wasn't always a feature of casual conversation, but it was never forgotten. When people were angry with Roger, they'd blast him with it from time to time.

by Anonymousreply 10June 16, 2022 4:54 PM

I never believed Jake would have raped Marley. Idiot plotting.

by Anonymousreply 11June 16, 2022 4:59 PM

[quote] The rape wasn't always a feature of casual conversation, but it was never forgotten

Years after the rape, they had Roger's victim Holly make mad passionate love with Roger again. Despite being raped by him

by Anonymousreply 12June 16, 2022 5:03 PM

I suppose no man has ever been raped on a soap opera?

by Anonymousreply 13June 16, 2022 5:10 PM

[quote] I suppose no man has ever been raped on a soap opera?

On General Hospital Michael was raped in prison

by Anonymousreply 14June 16, 2022 5:11 PM

r2 Todd Manning absolutely counts because he was made into the LEAD of the show. If you don't see how problematic that was, you are blind.

by Anonymousreply 15June 16, 2022 5:19 PM

Is this another one of those "I have a research paper due, but don't want to do the research" threads?

We've moved on to reformed serial killers and life-like masks, OP.

by Anonymousreply 16June 16, 2022 5:24 PM

R15 Yes he was a lead character but never a hero. We do not execute nor send most rapists to life imprisonment. They serve their time and then re-enter society. How they deal with that and how others deal with them is a situation rife with dramatic possibilities and worthy of exploration.

R13 Victor Jr., whom everyone thought was Todd at the time, was raped by Margaret Cochran which resulted in the birth of his son Sam.

by Anonymousreply 17June 16, 2022 5:33 PM

[quote]Back in the day Executive Producer Glory Monty and head-writer Pat Falken Smith called the Luke & Laura encounter a "Seduction" not rape

That's one of the reasons Doug Marland quit as HW and Pat Falken Smith took over as HW.

Gloria Monty was the one who insisted on portraying this as "seduction." That was after it was written and filmed as a rape scene and Gloria wanted to reframe it as a seduction.

Audiences were responding to Luke and Laura. The two had chemistry and Gloria wanted to put the two together. She knew she had to white-wash the rape. Marland objected and bolted to GL.

by Anonymousreply 18June 16, 2022 5:39 PM

Soap operas are expected to be morality plays now?

by Anonymousreply 19June 16, 2022 5:41 PM

r17 he was written like a hero. When Todd felt wronged by Blair for instance, the writing encouraged the audiences to demonise her instead of him.

by Anonymousreply 20June 16, 2022 5:45 PM

r18 Marland was fired, he didn't quit.

by Anonymousreply 21June 16, 2022 5:49 PM

R19 Apparently, according to reports that ABC has now banned rapists from appearing, which is why RH's Franco had to die and he had to come back as Austin Lee Holt, instead of Todd. Though I still say if AG is ever able to and desires to return to appear as Luke, ABC will remove that directive.

R20 You seem to think that because he raped someone else you can never feel bad for them about something else? Todd didn't rape Blair so yes, within their relationship, if she was in the wrong you should feel sympathy for him. But, that doesn't make him a hero. That is part of the human layers of story that soaps tell. No one is completely good nor completely bad, they are various shades of grey.

by Anonymousreply 22June 16, 2022 5:50 PM

r22 Todd Manning was glorified beyond belief by OLTL in the most overbearing and disgusting way.

by Anonymousreply 23June 16, 2022 5:51 PM

Don't forget about me.

by Anonymousreply 24June 16, 2022 5:52 PM

Vicky marrying her sister's rapist makes me sick. Another World deserved to be canceled for that.

by Anonymousreply 25June 16, 2022 5:53 PM

It wasn't just happening on the daily serials, but the nighttime sagas too!

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by Anonymousreply 26June 16, 2022 5:55 PM

R23 I watched most every day until the PP revival ended. I never felt Todd was glorified in anyway. He was featured a lot because the fans loved him, both versions. But, he was never turned into any kind of role model or ideal, which would have been easy for them to do considering fans were literally screaming for him to rape them at events.

by Anonymousreply 27June 16, 2022 5:55 PM

r27 his very existence as the main frontburner character glorified him. You're not very smart, are you?

by Anonymousreply 28June 16, 2022 6:01 PM

r19 strong independent women need their stories. don't mess with their stories. cockman oppressor.

by Anonymousreply 29June 16, 2022 6:02 PM

What about Grey's Anatomy?

by Anonymousreply 30June 16, 2022 6:04 PM

Tony Geary was freaked out by the women who would scream “RAPE ME LUKE” at personal appearances he’d make in the early 80s.

by Anonymousreply 31June 16, 2022 6:05 PM

[quote] I watched most every day until the PP revival ended. I never felt Todd was glorified in anyway.

How did Blair & Tea justify marrying a rapist like Todd, or did they just ignore it?

by Anonymousreply 32June 16, 2022 6:06 PM

Ryan's Hope was the weirdest - Pat Falken Smith was writing at the time, and she seems to have a fascination with rape storylines

First Genera Hospital then Days of our Lives - by the time Pat Falken Smith arrived to write Ryan's Hope, she wanted to do ANOTHER rape storyline - this time with Roger raping Maggie (Falken Smith deciding to make Maggie the new herione)

Ron Hale who played Roger threatened to quit, so they revised the story and just had Roger attempt to rape Maggie, before the Maggie was saved.

Then a year later Falken Smith left and when Claire Labine returned to the show, and would have Roger & Maggie fall in love and get married!

Even after Roger terrorized Maggie and tried to rape her!

by Anonymousreply 33June 16, 2022 6:12 PM

R32 Because he didn't rape them. That wasn't part of their relationship. Most people do not judge a person solely based on one action but their life over all. The only people whose relationship with Todd focused squarely on the rape was Marty and Nora.

by Anonymousreply 34June 16, 2022 6:20 PM

anyone else?

by Anonymousreply 35June 16, 2022 8:48 PM

One of the worst ones (imho) was on Y&R, when Bill Bell did his story with serial rapist, "Ron Becker," played by Dick DeCoit.

Bell originally said the story was something of a "do-over", since he'd just done the rape story with George Curtis (Tony Geary) who'd raped the show's lead ingenue, Chris Brooks (Trish Stewart). .. In that one, George was eventually arrested, the case went to trail, but he wasn't convicted and walked. Apparently, CBS got letters.

In the second one, Ron Becker also set his sights on Chris, but ended up raping her younger (virgin) sister, Peggy Brooks. Besides raping women, Ron was also making his wife koo-koo with psych meds to control her. There was also a young daughter in the house, so this led to a custody issue, which Chris became involved in.

But instead of showing a rapist being tried and convicted, Bell's story suddenly went all Freudian (typical). .. Before it was over, Bell introduced Ron's mother, "Marion," and the audience was now supposed see that ALL of Ron's sex crimes were the result of him being raised by a cold, unfeeling mother.

It all happened rather quickly, and Ron had some kind of "epiphany," which led to him and the mother making amends; he reconnected and apologized to his institutionalized wife, and they soon regained custody of their daughter. .. In no time at all, the entire family, including Mother Marion, packed it up and moved to Alaska for a happily-ever ending.

It was really bizarre and hardly a 'do-over.'

by Anonymousreply 36June 16, 2022 9:07 PM

Did the other characters that rape Marty ever appear on the show again?

by Anonymousreply 37June 16, 2022 10:09 PM

Speaking of fictional rape only, not real life rape,

I think the Luke/Laura on GH and Bill/Laura on Days were "complicated". Yes, both cases were rape, but there were layers there. They weren't stories about rape.

by Anonymousreply 38June 16, 2022 10:22 PM

[quote] Young & Restless - Rapist Michael Baldwin - Victim Christine Blair (attempted rape)

There's also Michael's half-brother, Kevin Fisher - who was guilty of statutory rape. .. When we first met him. he was a 25-year old having sex with 15-year old Lily Winters. He'd begin chatting with teenage girls over the internet using the handle "Fisherman", and, as we saw with Lily, he'd get them tipsy-drunk on beer or wine at his apartment and talk them into sex. Lily wasn't the only one, and he gave her an STD as well. .. Back then, viewers called him "Pervin Fisher."

by Anonymousreply 39June 16, 2022 10:27 PM

Didn't Bill Horton rape Laura on Days of Our Lives?

by Anonymousreply 40June 16, 2022 10:43 PM

WRONG INFO = Rapist Ross went to prison for rape and was never seen again on All My Children....

by Anonymousreply 41June 16, 2022 10:45 PM

[quote] WRONG INFO = Rapist Ross went to prison for rape and was never seen again on All My Children....

NOT TRUE - yes he went to jail, but he broke out of jail to save his daughter Julie from a maniac (the maniac was a pimp who used to pimp out Julie bio mom)

Because of Ross "bravery" he got a pardon - and in a delusional move. TPTB planned to have Ross & Natalie become a couple! & create a quadrangle - Natalie/Jeremy/Marissa/Ross storyline (Marissa being an old flame of Jeremy)

This was during a time when Felicia Behr took over as Producer and wrote out a slew of characters. She told Robert Gentry (Ross) he wouldn't have a storyline, but "connected" to a storyline (supporting the Natalie character, the woman he raped!)

Gentry went out to lunch and came back and told Behr he'd rather leave.

So the show was in process of "redeeming" the Ross character, and he was out of jail, But the storyline was aborted when Robert Gentry quit the show.

by Anonymousreply 42June 16, 2022 10:51 PM

Aren't most romance novels based on being "taken forcefully" by a lusty stud? Clearly this gets women misty... 'down there'.

by Anonymousreply 43June 16, 2022 10:54 PM

R26 On Dynasty, didn't Adam rape Kirby as well .. then they re-framed it that she'd resisted him because he reminded her too much an ex- who'd done her wrong or something like that? .. turning it into a case of melodramatic ravishment like the cover of a Romance Novel.

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by Anonymousreply 44June 16, 2022 10:54 PM

Speaking of Jeremy and Marissa on AMC = Their shirtless son David Rampal.....Here he is at the 36 minute mark..Lainie wouldn't put out for THIS? Clearly she must have been a lesbian...Whoever dressed him for this episode must have been a gay....

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by Anonymousreply 45June 16, 2022 11:07 PM

Bill Horton raping Laura Horton created years of story on Days.

Laura was married to Bill's brother Mickey, but had previously been engaged to Bill. Laura got pregnant as a result of that rape and passed the baby off as her husband Mickey's child. She was successful at that until Mike was a teenager.

When he did learn the truth about Mike's paternity, Mickey went crazy and went gunning for his brother. They had to lock him up in Bayview Sanitarium.

This storyline played out for 10 years on the show.

by Anonymousreply 46June 16, 2022 11:29 PM

r44, when they had the miniseries (or was it a two-part TV-movie?) that wrapped up "Dynasty" a few years after the series finished, they tried to deal (slightly) more seriously with Adam's rape of Kirby.

But of course, it being a soap opera, they had her forgive him after he apologized, and then suggested she was going to marry him!

by Anonymousreply 47June 16, 2022 11:34 PM

Robert Gentry and Kate Collins had sizzling chemistry, but once Ross raped Natalie, it was over. Maybe not for TPTB, but I think most AMC viewers wouldn’t have accepted it, myself included. The rape storyline was great for Kate Collins, acting wise, but then Natalie wound up saddled with that pig Trevor, and became a cookie baking frau.

by Anonymousreply 48June 16, 2022 11:46 PM

[quote] but then Natalie wound up saddled with that pig Trevor, and became a cookie baking frau.

You forgot that Kate Collins got to do the Natalie/Janet storyline - which she loved. But by that time she was ready to go as she wanted to follow her now husband to Chicago.

She stayed as long as she could until the writers got the Natalie character on the back-burner, then she left

by Anonymousreply 49June 16, 2022 11:55 PM

[quote] Because women are turned on by that subconsciously. That's the whole reason for the popularity of The Handmaid's Tale. It's torture porn.

There is some truth to this, or was. The soaps picked up on a weird mix of things in the 70s and 80s. She-wanted-it rape was the topic of many porn books and the like, and also, women's liberation was a new thing for many, and those two ideas, conflicting with each other, drove a lot of those soap stories back then.

Thus all the marital rape stories.

by Anonymousreply 50June 17, 2022 12:10 AM

[quote] They had Roger's victim Holly make mad passionate love with Roger again. Despite being raped by him

Not quite - they did "make love" again but it was more of a reconciliation. And it was brief, as both Roger and Holly were their own worst enemies. There was no turning it into a giant love affair - more of a reconciliation of the pain both had gone through and what Roger put Holly through.

(It worked if you just remembered Roger and Holly, since later GL regimes seemed to conveniently forget that Roger also raped Rita and Peggy.)

by Anonymousreply 51June 17, 2022 12:16 AM

Bridget and Jerome Dobson loved the marital rape storyline so much they did it three times on the shows they wrote: Roger/Holly on Guiding Light; John/Dee on As the World Turns: Mark/Mary on Santa Barbara.

They returned to Santa Barbara shortly after Dash raped Julia and had her sister Augusta lusting after him. Then they had him fuck Julia’s rape counselor, then they did a knock off of the play Extremities and had Julia hold Dash at knifepoint.

by Anonymousreply 52June 17, 2022 12:21 AM

R50 it still exists, rape is one of the most frequent roleplay scenarios that woman like.

by Anonymousreply 53June 17, 2022 12:51 AM

One weird one on Y&R was when Paul Williams' "raped" of his ex-wife, Christine Blair Williams, because he was enraged over her plans to marry, Michael Baldwin, who, -you got it! - had tried to rape Christine himself some 10 years earlier.

Viewers were appalled that "heroic," Paul, would act like that, and it didn't matter how TPTB tried to spin this shocking incident, based on what was shown, consent was non-existent.

Paul ended up having a crisis of conscious over what he'd done and ran off to California alone where he isolated camping on the beach.

At some point Christine located him, and they ended up making love on the sand with the waves washing up like a scene out of "From Here to Eternity."

All better now.

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by Anonymousreply 54June 17, 2022 12:52 AM

R54 And let us not forget Christine is played by the daughter of the the show's creators. And, Paul is one of their longest running characters.

by Anonymousreply 55June 17, 2022 1:01 AM

[quote] John/Dee on As the World Turns:

Actually John didn't rape Dee - although his character had "forced" himself on Kim, back then in the late 60s, early 70s there was no such thing as "marital rape" - it was only until 1978 (Oregon v. Rideout) that the first case of martial rape was on the books

Fast forward to the 1980s and the Dobsons planned to do a marital rape storyline with John & Dee. Larry Bryggman caught wind of it, and vehemently opposed (even though John had raped Kim, but again it back in the days when there was no such thing as "rape" in a marriage)

Bryggman flew all the way to California to try to talk the Dobsons out of it. A compromise was reached.

Dee would claim that John raped her - but during the trial she would have flashback to the incident and realize that John hadn't raped her at all, That she was under the influence of drugs, and just thought that John had raped her.

by Anonymousreply 56June 17, 2022 1:03 AM

The Australian soap Home & Away ran a storyline in which a teenage girl, Kirsty, married Kane, the man who had raped her sister Dani. This was in the early 2000s. Ir was portrayed as a Romeo & Juliet scenario. The Home & Away messageboard was full of teenagers gushing over what a romantic couple Kane and Kirsty were, and how Dani had deserved to be raped because she'd flirted with Kane beforehand. I found it very disturbing, even though I was only a teenager myself at the time. Relatively recently, the actress who played Kirsty said that the storyline would never be green-lit today.

by Anonymousreply 57June 17, 2022 1:22 AM

Regarding reformed raptists, I always thought it was weird on Guiding Light when Hart and Cassie's son was named after Roger. But, other soap operas have done similar things like on DOOL, Marlena named her daughter after her dead evil twin sister.

by Anonymousreply 58June 17, 2022 3:25 AM

At fans events fans would yell "rape me Luke" at Tony Geary and almost 20 years later "rape me Todd" at Roger Howarth. Todd became so popular ABC was going to put out a Todd doll, but I think some rape crisis group put the kibosh on it.

The ravishing type rape (like what Rhett did to Scarlet) was quite a soap staple, it's part of the whole bodice ripper thing from romance novels. Maybe Chris foster on Y&R was the first real depiction of the brutality of rape.

Personally, I think it's gone overboard now a days where fans call anything and everything rape and it ties writers hands. For instance the doppelganger who switches places with someone else. The DID victim's alter can't fuck someone else. Women can't roofie men anymore. It's just not worth it.

by Anonymousreply 59June 17, 2022 3:36 AM

R58 = And Kimberly Brady was raped by her Uncle Eric Brady (her fathers brother)...No wonder Eric and Sami are both a mess....

by Anonymousreply 60June 17, 2022 4:08 AM

I understand having an outsider like Todd or Luke come in, commit a rape, and for whatever reason, the viewers take to the actor. They were originally disposable villains who happened to be charismatic enough to withstand their crime.

I get angry when longstanding vets suddenly morph into rapists. Another World did this to Jake.

Jake was a schemer, a bit of a con, a man always looking for a come-up. He was sexy and knew it, so didn't mind using women for his schemes. The rape of Marley just seemed out of character to me. Always has, even thirty years later. The worst part? Vicky never would have forgiven him. Much less married him later on. Never.

That said, the storyline that grew out of Marley's rape and the attempted murder on Jake was one of the last stories I was addicted to on this show.

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by Anonymousreply 61June 17, 2022 12:48 PM

While I kinda/sorta agree that it may have been out of character for Jake to rape Marley, Another World really put in the work to make that story one of it's best. They laid the groundwork and spent months moving the pieces around so that Jake would be in a place where he could rape Marley. Last summer I did a rewatch of Another from 89 through Who Shot Jake. That was some good shit.

What I never found believable was that Victoria would fall in love and marry Jake years later.

by Anonymousreply 62June 17, 2022 12:58 PM

[quote]What I never found believable was that Victoria would fall in love and marry Jake years later.

Well, I don't know about that, r62. Miss Victoria and Jake belonged together. Each of them had that certain Lassiter something. They were each other's person. They'd been taking each other away since childhood.

by Anonymousreply 63June 17, 2022 1:18 PM

I always got a chuckle of the storyline of Jake delivering Vicky's son Steven and ending up as father figure while bio dad Jamie was never around. They was another thing used in the reforming of Jake McKinnon.

by Anonymousreply 64June 17, 2022 1:27 PM

Re Santa Barbara: wasn't Mary's sister Christie raped by their stepbrother Steve? I have distinct memories of watching this with my older sister who was absolutely spitting mad about it.

by Anonymousreply 65June 17, 2022 1:31 PM

"He who takes the baby out is often more important than he who put the baby in" has long been a popular soap trope, r64.

by Anonymousreply 66June 17, 2022 1:33 PM

[quote] What I never found believable was that Victoria would fall in love and marry Jake years later.

and then after Vicky married Jake - Marley came back to town and schemed to get Jake back - years after he raped her!

by Anonymousreply 67June 17, 2022 1:49 PM

Well Luke and Laura had amazing chemistry, but the whole "seduction" angle wouldn't fly well today.

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by Anonymousreply 68June 17, 2022 3:55 PM

Don't forget about the female characters who drugged men to sleep with them and became reformed as well.

by Anonymousreply 69June 17, 2022 4:13 PM

R69 Sami Brady was the most iconic to employ this tactic. 😍

by Anonymousreply 70June 17, 2022 5:26 PM

Like a villain that won't go away.

Like Stefano DiMera.

Or James Stenbeck.

by Anonymousreply 71June 17, 2022 5:41 PM

R71 I keep coming back from the dead 😈

by Anonymousreply 72June 17, 2022 5:46 PM

Smegma.

by Anonymousreply 73June 17, 2022 5:48 PM

I think what happened with Dee and John on ATWT was Dee thought she was getting it from Brad Hollister, not John.

by Anonymousreply 74June 17, 2022 5:55 PM

Vicky was dead to me once she married Jake, and then Marley was turned into a villain. No wonder the show was cancelled.

by Anonymousreply 75June 17, 2022 6:59 PM

[quote] Don't forget about the female characters who drugged men to sleep with them and became reformed as well.

Or gay guys who drug their victim so they can lick their salty balls and finger them. Can Leo be reformed?

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by Anonymousreply 76June 17, 2022 7:11 PM

Todd on OLTL was really tortured by what he had done. Horrific events kept happening to remind him in the most harshest of ways. Tea and Blair get kidnapped by one of the other rapists years later. Margaret Cochran rapes him. And self righteous moralizing middle Atlantic speaking Vickie ends up being his sister

by Anonymousreply 77June 17, 2022 8:40 PM

Excuse me, Miss R77, her name is Victoria, or Viki.

It is not, I repeat NOT, "Vickie."

by Anonymousreply 78June 17, 2022 9:30 PM

[quote]I think the Luke/Laura on GH and Bill/Laura on Days were "complicated".

Bill Bell did another "complicated" rape story on Days, when Susan Martin was raped (and got pregnant) by Eric Peters. Eric claimed that Susan panicked and ran off after they had mutual sex. Susan fell in love with and married Eric's brother, Greg, but she eventually divorced him and moved to California with Eric and their daughter.

by Anonymousreply 79June 17, 2022 10:06 PM

See that, when the white man does it, he’s a HERO.

by Anonymousreply 80June 17, 2022 10:10 PM

It's a Soap Opera - they also regularly have evil twins and amnesia.

It's FICTIONAL.

by Anonymousreply 81June 17, 2022 10:14 PM

You think rape is in the same category as evil twins, r81?

Evil twins are like The One Ring or superheroes.

Rape is an actual crime that happens to thousands of women every year.

by Anonymousreply 82June 17, 2022 10:18 PM

It's FICTIONAL. They are DAYTIME SOAP OPERAS. These "rapes" never actually happened. It's television, dear.

by Anonymousreply 83June 17, 2022 10:21 PM

Lucky finds out his dad is a rapist!

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by Anonymousreply 84June 17, 2022 10:55 PM

[quote] Gloria Monty was the one who insisted on portraying this as "seduction." That was after it was written and filmed as a rape scene and Gloria wanted to reframe it as a seduction.

The main obstacle I had with the seduction reframe was that Luke was so fuggo

I'm guessing Bill Bell cast Geary as Chris Brooks' rapist on Y&R, because that face just screamed nightmare rapist.

by Anonymousreply 85June 17, 2022 11:31 PM

R82 Murders happen all the time should soaps no longer have murder mysteries?

by Anonymousreply 86June 18, 2022 12:13 AM

I don't think Todd and Luke are a comparable examples. Not one character on OLTL ever let Todd forget he as a rapist. And he was a tortured anti hero all the way through it not like Luke. He ate the show and became a lead character but her was ALWAYS a vile rapist to every other character on the show except his loyal sister, niece Jessica and love of his life Blair that never hesitated to remind him exactly what he was when necessary. That never happened in any other of those shows.

by Anonymousreply 87June 18, 2022 3:19 AM

Roger Howarth was the best actor on soaps from 1993-1996. Whether it was him or the character I don't know. But the apology to Marty was extremely well acted. "That I know what I did to you. I really know. And I just need to say I'm sorry. You know. You spend your whole life thinking that you're so cool. And no one can hurt you. But one day you wake and see. You really see. And everybody hates you."

by Anonymousreply 88June 18, 2022 3:30 AM

Marty Saybrooke was also a very promiscuous, alcoholic troubled young woman. It added another layer to an accusation.

by Anonymousreply 89June 18, 2022 3:56 AM

I have to wonder if the writers ever considered having Todd raped while in prison?

by Anonymousreply 90June 18, 2022 4:24 AM

Never saw two better scene partners on OLTL again, not even See and Strass.. Haskell and Howarth always brought together. It was truly dynamic.

by Anonymousreply 91June 18, 2022 4:31 AM

Slee*

by Anonymousreply 92June 18, 2022 4:31 AM

[quote] It's FICTIONAL. They are DAYTIME SOAP OPERAS. These "rapes" never actually happened. It's television, dear.

So if pogroms against gay men become a trope on daytime soap operas, with virtually every soap featuring gaybashing and gay men being killed into their story lines, you have no issue with that at all … because it’s FICTIONAL?

by Anonymousreply 93June 18, 2022 4:35 AM

I always loved Haskell's portrayal of Marty. Fun fact, Haskell is still very good friends with Hilary Smith who picked her tape when Haskell won the second Emmy..

by Anonymousreply 94June 18, 2022 4:49 AM

Only OLTL ever dealt with it head-on. They had a horny, mean douche, asshole that did a mean violent thing and probably didn't understand it. It was awful and could be explored. All other soap rapes seem fake to me. I think a young kid can explore that in themselves that some ole guy

by Anonymousreply 95June 18, 2022 5:10 AM

R94 is Smith is also very good friends with Kassie DePaiva. I forgot where I read that Kassie said Hilary is one of her best friends.

by Anonymousreply 96June 18, 2022 6:09 AM

[quote] Personally, I think it's gone overboard now a days where fans call anything and everything rape and it ties writers hands. For instance the doppelganger who switches places with someone else.

That didn't seem to tie the hands of the writers on Y&R when they explored that very subject with Gina Tognoni's Phyllis character, who felt that she'd been repeatedly violated by Jack Abbott's doppelganger, Marco Annicelli, a situation that had been orchestrated by Victor Newman. It was Phyllis' dramatic courtroom testimony at Victor Newman's trial that won Tognoni the lead actress Daytime Emmy that year.

by Anonymousreply 97June 18, 2022 7:28 AM

Wasn't Matthew Ashford's Jack another rapist who was intended to be short-term? I was a kid during that storyline, but I recall that Jack even had some disease that was slowly killing him. He married Kayla and raped her when she wouldn't be a "proper" wife to him. Then wham! He was Steve and Adrienne's baby brother. He went from outright villain to long-suffering anti-hero. DAYS went full-court-press when they paired him with Jennifer.

Don't remember if I have the events in order, though.

by Anonymousreply 98June 19, 2022 12:02 AM

Ada - you have it right!

It seemed slightly less heinous at the time because they had recast Jack a few times - I think things were changing so fast. They did reinvent him rather quickly.

The same apparently happened with both Patch on DAYS and Lujack on GL. Both were hired as day players and then when the response was excellent, their roles were expanded.

by Anonymousreply 99June 19, 2022 1:17 AM

Jack Snyder was raped by former lover, but now crazy Julia on ATWT when she was holding him prisoner.

by Anonymousreply 100June 19, 2022 3:23 AM

On Days, they did, however, play Jack's rape of Kayla in storyline ca 2013-14. This was right after his son, JJ, came back to town, played by Casey Moss (aka DYKWIA.)

JJ didn't like the guy his mother was dating (Daniel) and went on and on about how he'd never be the man his father was. Kayla let it be known that Jack was not the saint JJ thought he was, but she wouldn't tell him exactly what the problem was and that he should ask his mother. Eventually JJ did his own research and found out about the rape in some old court transcripts. He flew into a rage and smashed up the store where a new book about Jack was on display, getting himself arrested in the process. They didn't just drop it either and dealing with what his father had done came up a few other times in JJ's story as well.

by Anonymousreply 101June 19, 2022 3:47 AM

Eh, that's not quite how it went, R98.

Steve knew that Jack was his long-lost baby brother before Jack & Kayla got married (as did Jo & Adrienne). And yes, Jack had Hodgkin's disease -- which is why Steve suddenly broke up with Kayla & pushed her toward Jack. Steve knew that Jack was in love with her, and wanted him to have something to live for, blah blah blah.

Matt Ashford assumed the role, post-wedding. The linked site a good/accurate summary of the early storyline.

Jack was NOT suddenly forgiven and made into a hero, after raping Kayla. He was hated by everyone in Salem (not named Jo & Adrienne) for a long time. He was a real prick after raping Kayla, and then romancing Melissa Anderson (who left his ass at the alter) -- no one wanted anything to do with him, including Jennifer. That's why it was such a shock, the first time they put them together in a scene, at The Spectator, and it "worked" or there was a "spark".

I remember watching that scene with my roommates and going, "Hmmmmm! What was that?!"

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by Anonymousreply 102June 19, 2022 6:45 AM

Thanks, R102. I knew I had the order wrong. And yeah, there were a couple of Jacks, so I was very wrong about him being a disposable villain role. It's just that Jack didn't work until Matthew Ashford assumed the role.

I'm currently watching 1993 One Life to Live. Most of the year was taken up with the gang rape Todd Manning led against Marty Saybrooke. Let me tell you: Todd's survival as a character is phenomenal. Not only for the gang rape, but also for his attempts to re-rape Marty, his stalking of a blind Nora, his manslaughter of Suede, and a host of other crazy shit.

Todd wasn't the case of a one-off moment of violence. It was a siege. And this is when Roger Howarth was still ACTING, so it's damn good stuff. He was menacing, and spiteful, and pathetic. Someone above noted that we got this version of Todd up until 1996, and I'll agree, though there were still flashes of the old charisma until 1998, I'll say. The character, the acting, the stories all made for some of the darkest television in daytime OR primetime.

By the time Howarth returned in 2000, it was apparent he didn't want to play that darkness anymore. He turned Todd into a surly clown; a court jester with a penchant for crime.

by Anonymousreply 103June 19, 2022 10:41 AM

r87, Todd wasn't tortured. Todd was an arrogant bully with no self-doubt that he deserved whatever he wanted. He was an out and out psychopath. They didn't even try to mask it.

by Anonymousreply 104June 19, 2022 12:08 PM

NBC/Another World: Victoria/Vicky. ABC/One Life to Live: Victoria/Viki. CBS/Young and Restless: Victoria/Vicki.

by Anonymousreply 105June 19, 2022 12:10 PM

Jack Deveraux also became sort of a mildly comedic, bumbling character married to his work to soften him for the audience. Then he went through the whole I don't deserve to be loved thing. It was a real process.

by Anonymousreply 106June 19, 2022 1:36 PM

It's a disgusting, tired trope. DOOL's women I think were almost all rape victims. Matthew Ashford was a horrible actor back in the day. How he continues to work is beyond me. He used to stare into the distance and recite lines in a monotonous voice.

by Anonymousreply 107June 19, 2022 1:53 PM

Yes, and because DOOL can't have enough rape in their rape-y-ness, they had Jennifer raped by what'shisface when she was with Jack. Lawrence I think.

by Anonymousreply 108June 19, 2022 1:55 PM

I think it's weird how a lot of actors on daytime soaps who played abusers and rapists were embraced by female viewers. Yet, on a primetime show like Beverly Hills 90210, Jamie Walters who played Donna's abusive boyfriend was slammed in public quite a bit. He ended up leaving the entertainment industry.

by Anonymousreply 109June 19, 2022 2:02 PM

R107 I’ve always found him overrated. I watched some 90s episodes last year and Mark Valley was a revelation. First time I have ever enjoyed the character.

by Anonymousreply 110June 19, 2022 2:08 PM

[quote] Not one character on OLTL ever let Todd forget he as a rapist.

Except his love-interests Tea & Blair - who fought over Todd (the rapist) like alley cats

by Anonymousreply 111June 19, 2022 2:11 PM

I think a lot of women who watch soaps in America are more right wing conservatives and like to see passive traditional women being dominated and ultimately protected by rugged men. That explains the phenomenon of the reformed rapist in daytime drama. Liberal women wouldn't be caught dead admitting they watch soaps although I'm sure many do, as it is considered a lowbrow genre with regressive ideas about relationships. Maybe that's true, but it's also true that it speaks to very real disturbing impulses in women which the feminist movement probably doesn't like to acknowledge.

by Anonymousreply 112June 19, 2022 2:17 PM

Brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 113June 19, 2022 2:23 PM

I think some of you are overthinking this. In some cases rape was used as a turning point in a character. For example to turn a good girl bad or a bad girl good. In some cases rape was used because the lead actress wanted a meaty storyline and Emmy consideration. Then in other cases it was used to drive another story, for instance a big murder mystery plot. Rape was just another tool in the writer's tool box. Rape or the threat of rape has been a thing in fiction since fiction began. It's not just a soap thing. How we view rape has changed, the definition has been broadened. In the past on soaps, the character got raped, the actress did a PSA, maybe got an Emmy, then moved on to the next storyline.

by Anonymousreply 114June 19, 2022 2:50 PM

That misses the main point of the thread, r114 (and others). The objection isn't to rape as a way to drive story. The objection is to rapists being forgiven or long-standing characters suddenly becoming rapists.

No one has mentioned Josh Snyder/Rod Landry. I never could accept him as a romantic lead, but to put him with his sort-of cousin was uber-wrong.

by Anonymousreply 115June 19, 2022 2:57 PM

I don't ever remember a scene of Jack comforting Jennifer after the rape. In fact he went out to chop wood or something ridiculous and she had to comfort him. Just bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 116June 19, 2022 2:58 PM

[quote]The objection is to rapists being forgiven or long-standing characters suddenly becoming rapists.

But that's the thing. Rapists are forgiven every day. In many rape trials there are just as many people there to support the accused rapist as there are to support the victim. Sometimes rape will divide people. And as for long-standing characters suddenly becoming rapists, you don't think that happens either? You don't always know what someone's trigger is. Rape is complicated.

by Anonymousreply 117June 19, 2022 3:08 PM

Depp is an anti-hero type and people love a bad, bad guy. Rewarded for being a dick.

by Anonymousreply 118June 19, 2022 3:11 PM

I'd forgotten about Lawrence Alamain raping poor Jennifer (who was impersonating Princess Katerina - Carly).

And didn't Lawrence try to get at Carrie too? He was quite the rapey bastard, wasn't he?

by Anonymousreply 119June 19, 2022 3:16 PM

Carrie had a crush on Lawrence. He never tried to rape her.

by Anonymousreply 120June 19, 2022 3:18 PM

women are the most hardest on women when it comes to rape & sexual assault, despite #metoo - that is why rape cases are so hard to prosecute as it is a he said-she said

If you want proof, during the 2016 election white women were much tougher on Hillary Clinton than Trump when it came to sexual assault

Trump got a pass, while Hillary was blamed for her husband's past conduct.

by Anonymousreply 121June 19, 2022 3:20 PM

Seems you're right, R120. He just lied to Carrie about raping Jennifer.

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by Anonymousreply 122June 19, 2022 3:24 PM

Passions made an absolute mockery of daytime’s attempts to portray rape seriously. There was a year late in its run when Fancy Crane was raped repeatedly by her intersex half-brother Vincent…weeks of episodes of her being afraid to go to sleep at night. Theresa, the show’s leading lady, endured marital rape by Alistair. That went on for months. Ethan Crane was also sexually assaulted by Vincent, as were several other young men and women on the show.

There’s more that I can’t remember because I had stopped watching by that point, but it’s worth noting that late Passions (DirectTV era) is a largely unexplored vein of bizarre decisions and fixation on sexual violence.

by Anonymousreply 123June 19, 2022 3:40 PM

[quote] Rape is complicated.

That's the point! Soap operas don't usually play it out. A character suddenly acts out of character and becomes a rapist. A rape victim falls in love with her rapist because the actors have chemistry, but not justified by story.

For some reason, people are acting like they need to inform us about rape because we are ignorant of it. We know very well about rape and are objecting to the way it is presented.

Don't tell us how rape works in the real world when we are criticizing the way it is presented fictionally.

by Anonymousreply 124June 19, 2022 3:40 PM

[quote]Don't tell us how rape works in the real world when we are criticizing the way it is presented fictionally.

But you're using current real world thoughts on rape and applying them to fictional rape, including fictional rape that happened decades ago when opinions were different.

by Anonymousreply 125June 19, 2022 3:50 PM

I give up, r125. Enjoy your rape fiction without motivation or consequences.

by Anonymousreply 126June 19, 2022 3:55 PM

Any links to full eps of OLTL? I did a search on YouTube and not sure what playlists are best.

by Anonymousreply 127June 19, 2022 4:20 PM

R127 go to YouTube and type in their search field "OLTL 1993" and full episodes will come up

by Anonymousreply 128June 19, 2022 4:28 PM

Reformed rapists are as common as closeted gay actors playing romantic hetero leads on soaps!

by Anonymousreply 129June 19, 2022 5:56 PM

[quote]And yeah, there were a couple of Jacks, so I was very wrong about him being a disposable villain role. It's just that Jack didn't work until Matthew Ashford assumed the role.

Exactly, R103. The first actor to portray Jack, Joseph Adams, wasn't completely awful and he resembled Steven Nichols quite a bit (but was shorter). With the benefit of hindsight (Jack=Billy), you could see why TPTB cast him.

However, he was a creep -- harassed Mary Beth Evans, and allegedly got punched out by Steven Nichols on set one day for his efforts. Jack was quickly recast which lead to Jack #2, James Acheson. He was tall and much better-looking than Adams, but had zero screen presence & couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. Made Drake Hogestyn look like Laurence Olivier. He lasted about three months, til they cast Matt Ashford.

by Anonymousreply 130June 19, 2022 6:01 PM

R130 pour that tea, gurl!

by Anonymousreply 131June 19, 2022 6:16 PM

Then you're mis-remebering, R116. Yes, Jack totally freaked-out when Jennifer finally admitted that she'd been raped by Lawrence. Fled the motel room where they were staying & took his anger out on a chopping block. But that lasted about five minutes/one scene. Frankie (whom Jennifer had confided in months earlier) found him and told him off for being a selfish prick & making it about him/his baggage. Jack went back, apologized for running out/making it about him, and asked Jennifer to tell him everything (all the gory details) and comforted her.

by Anonymousreply 132June 19, 2022 6:21 PM

[quote] The first actor to portray Jack, Joseph Adams,

He is a NY based actor now, and has appeared on all Law & Order franchises

by Anonymousreply 133June 19, 2022 6:39 PM

I'm with R131. My thirst cannot be contained. Any gossip, backstage talk, casting issues, salary disputes, sex in dressing rooms, etc. is welcome.

by Anonymousreply 134June 19, 2022 8:24 PM

Ada's Dish Rag is ready to MOP UP ALL THAT TEA!

by Anonymousreply 135June 19, 2022 9:45 PM

Bradley Raines was reformed after raping his step-daughter Beth on Guiding Light.

by Anonymousreply 136June 19, 2022 9:52 PM

[quote] Bradley Raines was reformed after raping his step-daughter Beth

Rather the actor was recycled to play another rapist on As The World Turns

by Anonymousreply 137June 19, 2022 9:56 PM

R137 The actor was, but the character was redeemed on Guiding Light. And he was a monster yet they redeemed him very effectively.

by Anonymousreply 138June 19, 2022 10:51 PM

[quote] but the character was redeemed on Guiding Light

Bradley Raines was never redeemed, yes he got out of jail, But he continued to cause trouble

by Anonymousreply 139June 19, 2022 10:53 PM

I feel icky about it but I kinda thought Bradley was low key hot.

by Anonymousreply 140June 19, 2022 10:54 PM

R139 He did not continue to cause trouble. At all.

by Anonymousreply 141June 19, 2022 10:56 PM

Howarth should have 2 or 3 additional Emmys for playing Todd early on.It was seriously the darkest character I'd seen and Id been watching soaps since i was like 6

by Anonymousreply 142June 20, 2022 1:12 AM

I can't help it but every time I see this thread pop up in my list I want to read it as " Every Soap Opera Has Had a Reformed Baptist."

by Anonymousreply 143June 20, 2022 1:15 AM

And I like it piping hot, R135!

by Anonymousreply 144June 20, 2022 1:21 AM

[quote] Howarth should have 2 or 3 additional Emmys for playing Todd early on.It was seriously the darkest character I'd seen and Id been watching soaps since i was like 6

Ha.

by Anonymousreply 145June 20, 2022 1:54 AM

To think Todd Manning was supposed to Kevin Buchanan. But ABC was chickenshit

by Anonymousreply 146June 20, 2022 2:19 AM

R142, obviously you never saw his one-note portrayal of Paul Ryan on ATWT. Awful, just awful.

Speaking of ATWT, remember Josh who raped Iva Snyder, producing center-of-the-universe Lily Walsh? And for the icing on the cake, Josh marries Iva's sister Meg with Mama Emma's blessing!

by Anonymousreply 147June 20, 2022 2:21 AM

Just my two cents I think Howarth is one of those soap actors who loathes soaps and loathes that he got stuck on soaps and he takes it out on the material because of this. He has no desire or incentive to put anything more into a role, as long as the check clears.

by Anonymousreply 148June 20, 2022 2:24 AM

I'm 100 percent sure you're are right and its too bad because he was good on OLTL when he was committed and the material was good.

by Anonymousreply 149June 20, 2022 2:28 AM

It was news to Thomas Forrester the next morning that drunk Caroline didn’t want to have sex with hi.

by Anonymousreply 150June 20, 2022 4:49 AM

Yeah, that Thomas/Caroline storyline didn’t play out like a rape, at least not for long. On the other hand, Stephanie hired a dude who raped Brooke and ended up holding Brooke’s hand as she died, so B&B certainly belongs in this thread at least by proxy.

by Anonymousreply 151June 20, 2022 5:48 AM

Yes, you're right, I was nineteen. He did return to ask her to discuss the rape.

by Anonymousreply 152June 20, 2022 5:51 AM

A Todd Manning Refresher from OLTL Wiki:

[quote]Todd first arrived in Llanview, Pennsylvania on One Life to Live as a fraternity brother of Kevin Buchanan. He was tutored by another student named Marty Saybrooke and they had a one-night stand. Later Todd orchestrated and participated in the gang rape of Marty at a fraternity party. Todd and the other two boys involved in the rape, Kevin's cousin Powell Lord III and Zach Rosen, were tried. Marty was confused and thought that Kevin had also participated in the gang rape, and Todd let Kevin take part of the blame for it until Marty remembered the truth and cleared his name. This is one of the contributing factors of Todd and Kevin's life-long feud with each other. When the boys' attorney Nora Gannon realized they were actually guilty, she caused a mistrial.

[quote]While awaiting a retrial, Todd trapped Marty in an alley and tried to rape her again. Her friend Luna Moody came upon them and hit Todd with a lead pipe, leaving his iconic scar across his right cheek. This knocked Todd out and saved Marty from being raped by him again. The scar serves as a constant reminder to Todd and everyone else of his past and misdeeds.

[quote]Powell later confessed to the rape, and all three of them were sent to prison. While on a work release, Todd escaped, caused the death of Marty's friend Suede Pruitt, and kidnapped a woman named Rebecca Lewis. He was shot and presumed dead, but turned up at Kevin's family home Llanfair, hiding in the gardening shed. He told Kevin's little cousins, C.J. and Sarah Roberts, that he was the genie Ali and they brought him food. He later saved Marty, C.J., and Kevin's sister Jessica during a car wreck. He was shot by the police commissioner, Bo Buchanan, and sent back to jail, but was later pardoned and released...

His issues were ongoing, and I do recall Blair and Tea each bringing up his rapist past when it benefited them to do so..

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by Anonymousreply 153June 20, 2022 6:44 AM

Roger Howarth was amazing at first, and even in some of his first OLTL returns he was OK.

But something about ATWT just took the edge out of him. It's as if he was on antidepressants.

by Anonymousreply 154June 20, 2022 3:56 PM

Agree about Howarth on ATWT. Even Kelley Menighan Hensley was acting circles around him as Emily, but Howarth's Paul was so wan you never understood why Emily was so obsessed with him.

by Anonymousreply 155June 20, 2022 4:03 PM

If General Hospital's Luke and Laura storyline would have been a movie, Luke would have died at the end of the Left Handed Boy story.

Laura comes home, reunites with Scotty and keeps whatever she had in her heart for Luke inside her and never tells anyone.

by Anonymousreply 156June 21, 2022 1:00 AM

R155, the shot at KMH seems gratuitous. I thought she was quite a fine actress. She did soap humor--reaction shots, catty asides, knowing references to wacky backstory--quite well, for instance.

by Anonymousreply 157June 21, 2022 1:06 AM

R157, I'd have accepted KMH in any role other than Emily given Melanie Smith's sex-kitten, vulnerable, dynamite performance.

And also in any other role other than Mrs. Jon Hensley because Holden was smoldering.

by Anonymousreply 158June 21, 2022 1:24 AM

[quote][R157], I'd have accepted KMH in any role other than Emily given Melanie Smith's sex-kitten, vulnerable, dynamite performance.

You sound like me and Cali Timmons' Paulina versus Judi Evans. Judi is nice, but she just wasn't Paulina.

by Anonymousreply 159June 21, 2022 1:27 AM

Ah, that explains it. I didn't watch ATWT during MS's years as Emily, though I have always heard great things.

by Anonymousreply 160June 21, 2022 1:38 AM

R154 The writing was also atrocious while he was there, especially for his character. He got good material his first 6 months or so and that's it.

by Anonymousreply 161June 21, 2022 1:40 AM

Howarth took ATWT because it was an NYC-based soap who would have him after OLTL. He resisted moving his family to LA for years. I grew up watching him as Todd and he always seemed like a bored version of Todd on ATWT.

by Anonymousreply 162June 21, 2022 1:44 AM

Taking an NYC based soap kept him cross to his honey bunny.

by Anonymousreply 163June 21, 2022 1:46 AM

r163

by Anonymousreply 164June 21, 2022 4:06 AM

OLTL should have killed off Todd in 1994 and sent Roger to AMC, maybe as Scott Chandler, Stuart and Cindy's son.

by Anonymousreply 165June 21, 2022 1:00 PM

Melanie Smith was by no means Meryl Streep, but she had a certain something.

Her bookend among performers is actually, I think, Kimberley Simms. Both had a very soft, feminine sensuality, but could also play steely tough.

And Smith really did believably look just like Marie Masters' kid.

by Anonymousreply 166June 21, 2022 2:13 PM

One thing that a lot of people don't get about soaps is that it's not always about the acting, but the way an actor embodies a character. And they do it so well, that they sort of become one with the character. All of my examples are non PG, so I won't mention them, but Melanie Smith is a very good example.

by Anonymousreply 167June 21, 2022 2:20 PM

Melanie Smith should have been a major movie star. She had the X factor.

by Anonymousreply 168June 21, 2022 3:05 PM

Why hold back, R167? This is a rare all-inclusive soap thread. I'd love to know your thoughts on actors embodying characters if you care to share.

by Anonymousreply 169June 21, 2022 8:40 PM

Well, Lucci would certainly fit that description. She wasn't the finest actress (despite the Emmy fuss) but she was great at embodying Erica, especially in early years. We all knew a woman like Erica....or one who thought she was just like her!

by Anonymousreply 170June 22, 2022 3:48 AM

R170 I'd say Stasser and Dorian became inseparable at a point.

by Anonymousreply 171June 22, 2022 3:56 AM

- Andrea Evans WAS Tina Lord. Someone once mentioned that she wasn't much of an actress, in their opinion. I didn't disagree. But Andrea's charisma -- that light surrounding a person that makes you want to watch them -- was the only talent she needed. OLTL attempted to replace her, but while good in some ways, the other actors never quite measured up.

- Anne Heche WAS Vicky/Marley Love. From the first moment I saw her in a tub, rolling her eyes while talking to her father, this woman was the embodiment of trashy new money foundling with a heart of gold. Anne had the ability to convey who she was playing with a look, her walk, a tone. It was more than just clothes. She was so good that watching Vicky impersonate Marley was a different experience.

- Jerry verDorn WAS Ross Marler for me. Quietly handsome, at times self-righteous, funny, judgmental. He played all these things well. I understand that the show changed Ross quite a bit -- from the cold attorney who once defended Roger on his rape charge to one of Springfield's most beloved citizens. I venture the shift came to parlay Jerry's better qualities and bare them onscreen. I met Jerry on the last day One Life to Live taped. Even at 61, he was so handsome and energetic and courtly. I was more impressed with him than with most movie stars I've met.

by Anonymousreply 172June 22, 2022 11:03 AM

Anne Heche was incredible. She was 19 years old giving performances of somebody twice her age. Lightning in a bottle, that girl.

by Anonymousreply 173June 22, 2022 11:09 AM

Susan Lucci was not a great actor, but she is Erica Kane and could not play anything but Erica Kayne. Everything she's in, she's Erica Kane.

Drake Hogestyn - not a great actor, but he is John Black.

Ron Moss - Another not so great actor, but he is Ridge Forrester, as evidenced by his replacement.

Lane Davies as Mason Capwell. Lane is a good actor and he just embodied Mason so well. The recasts were fine, but they weren't Mason.

Cali Timmons as Paulina on Another World - I won't shut about this one. Cali was perfection. She even looked like Iris and Amanda. Judi turned Paulina into a zaftig nothing of a character.

by Anonymousreply 174June 22, 2022 12:39 PM

[quote]Judi turned Paulina into a zaftig nothing of a character.

I suspect Judi's Paulina was way more popular than Cali's. Judi certainly had much greater chemistry with Tom Eplin. (Paulina & Jake should have been endgame.)

by Anonymousreply 175June 22, 2022 1:17 PM

We don't talk about Anne Heche much here, and she really should be recognized for her AW work. Her ascent was similar to Jessica Tuck at OLTL - in a very short time, both these (then) young women were giving Emmy level performances and carrying their shows.

Anne's work was just so amazing. I'm sorry her mental health issues got in her way down the road. She's never quite recaptured her mojo after the Ellen breakup and her breakdown, though she's had a few successes here and there.

by Anonymousreply 176June 22, 2022 1:34 PM

r176 I hate that Anne became famous for being Ellen's GF when she was much more talented than Ellen.

by Anonymousreply 177June 22, 2022 1:39 PM

Anne really should be a superstar, headlining major films. Homophobia really fucked her career. She went a little nutty for a spell, but all actors are a little nutty.

by Anonymousreply 178June 22, 2022 1:41 PM

Did Ada rape anyone?

by Anonymousreply 179June 22, 2022 1:43 PM

r178 Apparently Anne and Cate Blanchett were the last two actresses considered for the movie about Elizabeth I, which made Blanchett a star. Would love to have seen Anne's take on it.

by Anonymousreply 180June 22, 2022 1:45 PM

Ada was an older, predatory lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 181June 22, 2022 2:01 PM

It was the housewives Ada was after.

She would bring them cookies and pie....but it was THEIR cherry pie she was after!

by Anonymousreply 182June 22, 2022 2:03 PM

Did Vicky/Marley end up being the best roles of Anne's career? It's sad, because it definitely seemed like she would be a massive star after AW and it never materialized. She was way better than she had any realistic need to be on a soap opera. Kind of crazy to imagine a soap nowadays letting a 21 year old be its lead.

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by Anonymousreply 183June 22, 2022 2:05 PM

Yes, they were definitely Anne's best roles. She was even willing to return when Jensen Buchanan took a few weeks off.

by Anonymousreply 184June 22, 2022 2:14 PM

If you get the chance check out some of Anne's scenes with Laurence Lau from 88 and 89. She brought something out in him, that I had never seen. They were great together. You just really believe that his Jaime wanted to spend every hour fucking the shit out of her.

by Anonymousreply 185June 22, 2022 2:18 PM

R185 Lol, very well said.

by Anonymousreply 186June 22, 2022 2:24 PM

R183, Another World had no choice but to give Anne the ball and let her run with it. Who else during that time frame could have done it? Wyndham had long been sidelined. Things didn't work out with Denise Alexander for whatever reason. Dano and Stuart were only ever used in support roles. Sandra Ferguson (bless that baby's heart) could barely recite her lines. Duncan was fine in small doses. Anna Holbrook was a crowd-pleaser, but her storyline wasn't fit for a leading lady not named Victoria Lord.

No. That left Anne's twins -- specially Vicky -- to keep the show afloat. And that she did.

P.S To you nudniks: Ada was neither predatory, nor a lesbian. I, her closest confidante, would know. I never left her side. Or her kitchen table.

by Anonymousreply 187June 22, 2022 2:24 PM

One of my all-time favorites was Cynthia Watros as Annie on GL. I believe there was a writer's strike during her time, and the stories overall on the show suffered, but my God, Watros was so absolutely compelling as Annie that I had to tune in every day. Like Anne Heche on AW, I thought Watros was going to be a major star; and like Heche, I believe Watros had some personal issues -- wasn't she arrested for drunk driving or something during her tenure on Lost?

by Anonymousreply 188June 22, 2022 2:30 PM

Let's not forget Ridge raped Brooke on B&B when she was on sleeping medication.

by Anonymousreply 189June 22, 2022 2:33 PM

Denise Alexander didn't work because they fucked up her story. They just turned her back into Mary McKinnon and didn't play the angst and the push/pull of her love/attraction to Reginald. Someone at AW got a note from NBC or someone that said make Reginald Love into Stefano Dimera. And it didn't help that story that Donna was being played by someone who was playing everything, except Donna Love.

by Anonymousreply 190June 22, 2022 2:35 PM

[quote] And it didn't help that story that Donna was being played by someone who was playing everything, except Donna Love.

What does this mean?

by Anonymousreply 191June 22, 2022 2:37 PM

r190 Was that the era of Brand New Sexy Donna?

by Anonymousreply 192June 22, 2022 2:37 PM

[quote]What does this mean?

I love Philece Sampler and I don't fault anyone for taking a job, but she wasn't playing Donna. I don't know what she was she doing. I look at some of her scenes now and think just how ridiculous that choice was.

by Anonymousreply 193June 22, 2022 2:39 PM

I loved Philece Sampler as Donna. She gave the character a new energy and made the role her own. Wonderful recast!

by Anonymousreply 194June 22, 2022 2:40 PM

Cynthia Watros and Annie were the only reasons I watched Guiding Light in the late 90s. After she left, the show started a slow meltdown and never recovered.

I stopped back in to comment on R183's clip. At the 9:15-mark, the fear and desperation on Jake's face is palpable. I SAW him begin to sweat. I SAW his mind racing. This is my absolute favorite AW period (88-92).

Tom Eplin doesn't get nearly enough love. We all know a Jake -- a round-the-way-boy who's always looking for a come-up. He stayed in trouble but had moments of heroism. And yes, he was close to my namesake's heart. He was a cutie-patootie.

by Anonymousreply 195June 22, 2022 2:41 PM

[quote] Was that the era of Brand New Sexy Donna?

Worst Recast of 1987.

by Anonymousreply 196June 22, 2022 2:42 PM

[quote]Denise Alexander didn't work because they fucked up her story. They just turned her back into Mary McKinnon and didn't play the angst and the push/pull of her love/attraction to Reginald.

She was also handicapped by the leading men they cast for her – neither John Considine nor the succession of Vinces were particularly charismatic. Considine seemed to think he was playing Snidely Whiplash.

by Anonymousreply 197June 22, 2022 2:45 PM

How many times did a P&G soap create a big role for an ABC star and have it completely flop? Surely it flopped way more times than it ever succeeded. Was Denise Alexander the biggest flop?

by Anonymousreply 198June 22, 2022 2:47 PM

[quote]Worst Recast of 1987.

Biggest disaster since the Hindenburg

by Anonymousreply 199June 22, 2022 2:48 PM

Upon further thought (and this is why I wish DL had an edit button!) I must amend my post @ R195. In addition to Annie, I also watched GL during that period to see Dinah go off the rails. When Dinah and Annie became besties, I was in heaven, y'all. I didn't last long enough.

Wendy and Cynthia were smart to leave when they did. I only have good memories of both their runs.

by Anonymousreply 200June 22, 2022 2:49 PM

1987 was also the year Jess replaced Brenda on Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 201June 22, 2022 2:49 PM

I don't know if Denise was a flop, it just didn't work. At least she got special billing.

[quote]Wendy and Cynthia were smart to leave when they did.

I'm still surprised that Cynthia returned to daytime.

by Anonymousreply 202June 22, 2022 2:50 PM

R202, Watros #2 in episode count behind Maurice Benard on General Hospital last year! She’s making a good living.

by Anonymousreply 203June 22, 2022 3:02 PM

WHET to the posters BNSD and ORD?

by Anonymousreply 204June 22, 2022 3:24 PM

R204 I'm right here! *checks self in mirror*

BNSD only visits us every so often, but is always a welcome guest.

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by Anonymousreply 205June 22, 2022 3:31 PM

R205 Hey there, ORD!

by Anonymousreply 206June 22, 2022 3:33 PM

Hiya, R206!

by Anonymousreply 207June 22, 2022 3:35 PM

Cynthia Watros, who we have been discussing at great length, stepped in, R184.

I personally would have been curious to see Watros's take on Vicky over time. I accepted Jensen Buchanan, but I never loved her.

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by Anonymousreply 208June 22, 2022 3:52 PM

Cynthia Watros actually filled in for Jensen Buchanan as Vicky in late 1998 and many viewers remarked how similar Cynthia's Vicky was to Anne's, and that they would have loved her to stay in the role. Cynthia and Anne both have that electricity in their performances although Cynthia is a tad more neurotic and Anne more confident.

by Anonymousreply 209June 22, 2022 3:53 PM

Jensen was fine as Marley. Her take on Victoria was passable, but not great.

by Anonymousreply 210June 22, 2022 3:55 PM

Days had tons of rape scenes.

Sami pretty much raped Austin, leading him to believe he was the father of Will.

Stephano dressed up as Elvis to have sex with Susan Banks, resulting in the birth of EJ.

EJ raped Sami. (They later become lovers.)

The above three statements kind of form a twisted loop.

by Anonymousreply 211June 22, 2022 4:00 PM

I thought Jensen Buchanan was awful.

Didn't Ellen Wheeler actually audition for the role and not get it? What were they thinking? Is this yet another example of a P&G soap wanting to nab an ABC actress so badly and having it be a total trainwreck?

by Anonymousreply 212June 22, 2022 4:03 PM

I agree r196. Philece was the best recast of the century.

by Anonymousreply 213June 22, 2022 4:03 PM

Stefano didn't have sex with Susan. Susan was artificially inseminated. Stefano put on the costume to make Susan think she was having sex with Elvis while she was being inseminated.

[quote]EJ raped Sami.

Debatable.

by Anonymousreply 214June 22, 2022 4:05 PM

[quote]Didn't Ellen Wheeler actually audition for the role and not get it? What were they thinking?

I wonder if TPTB were concerned that Wheeler and her ex-husband wouldn't get along and cause problems on set.

by Anonymousreply 215June 22, 2022 4:05 PM

[quote] Didn't Ellen Wheeler actually audition for the role and not get it? What were they thinking? Is this yet another example of a P&G soap wanting to nab an ABC actress so badly and having it be a total trainwreck?

They just had Jake rape Marley and now they want to bring back the original actress who was once a "super-couple" with Jake? That was the reasoning

Actually BOTH Jensen and Judi Evans auditioned for the Vicky/Marley role.

I felt that the show should've cast BOTH - Jensen as Marley, Judi as Vicky. Yes they are twins, but the audience would get over it as they are the same height and physical type.

While Judi didn't get the part, TPTB had an increasingly unhappy Cali Timmins as Paulina. Took another look at Judi screen-test and cast her to replace Cali.

by Anonymousreply 216June 22, 2022 4:07 PM

Cynthia Watros as Vicky and Cady McClain as Marley would have been the most perfect recasting in soap history.

by Anonymousreply 217June 22, 2022 4:09 PM

R216 interesting, so Cali wanted to leave? I always wondered why she left.

by Anonymousreply 218June 22, 2022 4:12 PM

Everybody knows where they were that day in 1987 when the announcer's voice came on and said:

THE ROLE OF DONNA LOVE IS NOW BEING PLAYED BY PHILECE SAMPLER.

by Anonymousreply 219June 22, 2022 4:12 PM

[quote] so Cali wanted to leave? I always wondered why she left.

She felt the character of Paulina was becoming a victim and was increasingly unhappy with the character. The producers (Michael Laibson) felt nothing he or the writers could do to deal with her unhappiness.

When Judi Evans didn't get the part of Vicky/Marley, TPTB felt the answer was staring them in the face, If Cali was so unhappy, just let her go and replace her with Judi Evans, who was willing to play the part.

by Anonymousreply 220June 22, 2022 4:15 PM

There's a great interview with Tom Eplin here talking about how Judi Evans brought layers to Paulina which the writers didn't even think of, which made it more rewarding for him as her screen partner than when Cali played it.

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by Anonymousreply 221June 22, 2022 4:21 PM

Reformed rapists on Soap Operas for $1000, Alex.

by Anonymousreply 222June 22, 2022 6:56 PM

Drake Hogestyn is from the heavy breathing school of acting. You squint, snarl, and breathe. He's the Richard Gere of soaps.

by Anonymousreply 223June 22, 2022 7:28 PM

If I remember correctly Wheeler auditioned for her old roles after Heche left and that was when they said no.

I still don't understand quite what happened when Marley was played by Wheeler and Vicky by Buchanan, but the show was unbelievably weird by then - Donna wasn't a recognizable Donna by then, either.

by Anonymousreply 224June 22, 2022 8:07 PM

Ironically, Anne Heche was asked to temporarily fill in for Jensen as Vicky prior to Cynthia being asked; Anne agreed and was actually excited about it, however her management team decided it was in her best interest not to do it, since she was at the height of her career (post soaps) taking off. I always thought it was sweet how she was all in to do it though. And yes, Ellen Wheeler did audition for Vicky/Marley after Anne left however Jensen was a hot commodity at the time fresh off her stint on OLTL.

by Anonymousreply 225June 22, 2022 8:21 PM

R224 Jensen grew tired of playing both roles early on and when they were interested in bringing Marley back to Bay City, Jensen was originally asked to reprise her, and she wasn't interested, so that's when the idea to bring Ellen Wheeler back was formed. If I'm remembering correctly, Jensen briefly portrayed Marley again right before the accident/plastic surgery which led to Ellen taking over. I recall fans being happy she was back however some couldn't get over how there was a significant height difference between the two lol

by Anonymousreply 226June 22, 2022 8:27 PM

In the case of Kate Collins' Natalie, was there anyone she didn't have chemistry with? She should've had a career outside of soaps however since she quit to relocate with her husband to Chicago I suppose Hollywood was out of the question or of no interest to her. Her chemistry with both her male & female costars from what I've seen was outstanding.

by Anonymousreply 227June 22, 2022 8:32 PM

R223 How about Ronn Moss? His acting was so atrocious. He'd growl, pat his scene partner's hair, and was generally just awful.

by Anonymousreply 228June 22, 2022 8:51 PM

Drake always knew what the assignment was. He never got caught up in backstage shit. When Dee came back he willingly gave up his dressing room with the shower, so Dee could have one. He showed up, hit his marks, did his lines, and looked pretty.

by Anonymousreply 229June 22, 2022 8:53 PM

Shout out to MIchael Zaslow's Roger Thorpe. He was that character. I am sickened by the way P&G treated him. I wasn't really up on the soap press because had I known at that time, I would have boycotted the show. Nothing against Dennis Parlato (whose Michael Grande I recently watched beat the crap out of Gabrielle on OLTL) but he just could not compare.

No one could. I don't even care. The show should never have recast. Not only did they disrespect the man during his illness, but then they had the nerve to disrespect his memory. NO ONE ELSE should have ever stepped inside Roger's duplicitous, slimy, vengeful shoes. Period.

Another vote for actor embodying a character: Melina Kanakaredes as Eleni Cooper on Guiding Light.

She wasn't flashy or loud, but I felt her performances deeply. She was feminine and warm, but could really spit fire when provoked, which thankfully, wasn't often. She also was Frank Dicopoulos's best screen partner by far. A cute guy, he was mostly a block of wood with a very warm, quiet energy. Melinda brought out the hero in him. She also brought out something special in Rick Hearst. I believed Alan-Michael's struggle to keep his dark side hidden from his beautiful, rare gem. He would lose her, of course, but he fought for her because he knew how special she was.

I also liked Eleni because as a kid, TV always showed Italian or Latin women as "exotic." Before her, I'd never seen much of Greek culture used in a storyline. I just watched an episode where she sang and danced. She was quite lovely. Very moving.

by Anonymousreply 230June 22, 2022 9:04 PM

Ronn Moss was cast because he looked good in a Speedo.

He was so awkward he often seemed to be new to being a human being.

by Anonymousreply 231June 22, 2022 9:04 PM

R230 Eleni is a really underappreciated character. I loved Melina's work, too.

by Anonymousreply 232June 22, 2022 9:05 PM

Good lord, that's the truth.

by Anonymousreply 233June 22, 2022 9:06 PM

You don't see too many speedo scenes these days. All the pool scenes I ever see have the guys in trunks.

by Anonymousreply 234June 22, 2022 9:59 PM

[quote] however Jensen was a hot commodity at the time fresh off her stint on OLTL.

NOT TRUE - at time she had been unemployed for three years - and she actually asked OLTL to come back. Their response. Send us your tape!

Stung by that rejection, she turned her attention to AW. She was by no means a hot commodity.

by Anonymousreply 235June 22, 2022 11:30 PM

I have been meaning to post; Carl Hutchins never raped anyone, but he was THE best villian /almost rapist. The scenes in 1985 with Rachel .. . ..... then he reformed and Rachel forgave his past digressions. The almost rape scenes are perfection imo.

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by Anonymousreply 236June 22, 2022 11:55 PM

I usually just lurk, but these accolades about Melanie S. have pushed me out of the shadows. As I recall, she was one of those actors with a range of "A to B." She didn't have any depth. And even worse, she was boring. I didn't miss her when she left the show.

KM. was a much better actress and was riveting during Emily's year-long breakdown on ATWT.

by Anonymousreply 237June 22, 2022 11:58 PM

Were all these female characters reforrmed rapists?

by Anonymousreply 238June 23, 2022 12:00 AM

I'm on team Melanie. She was wonderful and fun to watch. KMH was serviceable, best at the beginning with Royce. But the pairing with Roger Howarth's Paul was death, not least of which because it was never played with their actual history in mind.

by Anonymousreply 239June 23, 2022 12:01 AM

R223, that's a fact!

by Anonymousreply 240June 23, 2022 12:58 AM

[quote] Jensen was fine as Marley. Her take on Victoria was passable, but not great.

I only Jensen as Victoria when she was paired with Ryan. I thought Jensen had better chemistry with Paul Michael Valley than she did with Tom Eplin. I agree with someone who mentioned that Paulina and Jake should have been endgame.

by Anonymousreply 241June 23, 2022 1:36 AM

R230 I already loved OLTL but when they hired Michael Zaslow and allowed him to work until he couldn't, as he wanted to do. I loved them even more. GL's firing of him was not what one would expect from P&G, the MGM of soap producers. It was so uncharacteristically lacking in class. Right up there with GH and Anna Lee.

by Anonymousreply 242June 23, 2022 1:51 AM

R239, not sure if Melanie Smith was a good actress or not, but she that special something, which just makes you watch her when she's onscreen. Anyone remember her famous tango with Greg Beecroft on ATWT? Sizzling!

I agree that KMH had her best storyline with Royce. Putting her with Howarth was a disaster. I rank him as one of the Three Stooges of Daytime, along with Hogestyn and Moss.

by Anonymousreply 243June 23, 2022 1:58 AM

A rock would have had chemistry with fine piece of ass Paul Michael Valley

by Anonymousreply 244June 23, 2022 2:05 AM

I liked Paul Michael Valley, but felt so badly for him as he started losing his hair.

by Anonymousreply 245June 23, 2022 3:23 AM

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by Anonymousreply 246June 23, 2022 3:44 AM

R235 She was not unemployed for three years in between leaving OLTL & joining AW. She played Sarah on OLTL from 1987-1990 where she was a hot commodity along with Jessica Tuck, Andrea Evans, Fiona Hutchison, etc. She joined AW a year later in 1991 which was only a year after she quit OLTL. Genie Francis was offered the role of Sarah since Jensen quit (along with being offered Caroline recast or Taylor, presumably Caroline on B&B, however she close Ceara on AMC). If Jensen asked to return it was only after a year absence however Grace Phillips ended up in the role (and she wasn't nearly as popular as Jensen)

by Anonymousreply 247June 23, 2022 4:06 PM

R235 Also, Paul Rauch was the EP who hired Jensen so if her return was blocked in 1991, which isn't hard to believe, its because Linda Gottlieb took over as EP in 1991 so the whole "send me your tape" would've been from Linda, not Paul who wouldn't have hesitated to hire Jensen back.

by Anonymousreply 248June 23, 2022 4:27 PM

Didn’t Kristen Meadows give Paul Rauch head?

by Anonymousreply 249June 23, 2022 6:23 PM

Paul Rauch fucked EVERYBODY.

by Anonymousreply 250June 23, 2022 6:24 PM

Not me!

by Anonymousreply 251June 23, 2022 6:35 PM

Didn't fuck me.

by Anonymousreply 252June 23, 2022 6:49 PM

He tried with me but I reported him.

by Anonymousreply 253June 23, 2022 7:02 PM

In Rauch's defense, he was good looking when he was younger and he was very charismatic. So I always understood why. he was fucking so many of his actresses.

by Anonymousreply 254June 23, 2022 7:12 PM

Anna Stuart's articulate words on the merits of both Anne Heche and Jensen Buchanan:

"Anne and I had more of a similar energy and dynamic in our mutual eccentricities and our passions. We are both very passionate people. We go at things passionately. When she works as an actor she goes in 300 percent. She was always so hungry to learn more and to do better. She came from a very traumatic childhood and upbringing. She put all of that, all of that pain and passion into whatever part she did. Jensen was very different. She wasn’t a child when she came in, so to speak. She was an older character, more mature, and Vicky and Donna had a different relationship by the time Jensen came in. Jensen was more like Grace Kelly. She was much more contained and quiet. And I mean inner quiet, she was a very quiet actress. She was wonderful. Obviously she was totally different from Anne. Anne was a like a big labrador puppy. And Jensen was more of a mature labrador. She was more the grown up version. As I said, I love what each and every one of them brought to the characters. "

by Anonymousreply 255June 23, 2022 7:41 PM

We need a comprehensive list of which actors hated Paul Rauch.

Here’s some for starters:

George Reinholt

Jacquie Courtney

Ginny Dwyer

Maeve Kinkead

Michael Zaslow

Robin Strasser

Louise Sorel

Fiona Hutchinson

by Anonymousreply 256June 23, 2022 7:52 PM

Ellen Holly

Lil Hayman's Tercel

by Anonymousreply 257June 23, 2022 8:09 PM

Anna Stuart bought Anne Heche her first dildo. I wonder if they tried it out together. And throw Geri Court, Anna’s bestie into the mix. Hot!

by Anonymousreply 258June 23, 2022 8:15 PM

Fiona Hutchinson

by Anonymousreply 259June 23, 2022 8:27 PM

Nothing makes me giggle like that damned Tercel. You bitches are too much.

by Anonymousreply 260June 23, 2022 8:45 PM

Why did Michael Zaslow hate Paul Rauch?

by Anonymousreply 261June 23, 2022 9:50 PM

R247 so Jensen Buchanan was unemployed for a year - not three, my mistake

However, the fact that is when Jensen inquired about returning to OLTL, the response was

"Send us your tape"

No one who is a "hot commodity" would be told to send their tape.

by Anonymousreply 262June 23, 2022 11:06 PM

R262 You must've missed her years on OLTL where the Gordon sisters meteorically rose to fame, as individuals & in their subsequent pairings. Linda Gottlieb wanted to place her own stamp on OLTL so it stands to reason she would say that to a Rauch hire. Being out of soaps for one year after being popular for three years on a rival soap surely helped her chances on landing AW. When Vicky was briefly on ATWT she was still pretty popular (even though some ATWT fans complained). Now if you were to say she wasn't exactly a hot commodity on GH, then that would make more sense. However we can agree to disagree.

by Anonymousreply 263June 24, 2022 12:38 AM

R261 Don't know if he did, but Rauch was the EP at GL when Zaslow was let go.

Most people put the blame on Mickey Dwyer Cunting, though.

by Anonymousreply 264June 24, 2022 1:09 AM

[quote] Being out of soaps for one year after being popular for three years on a rival soap surely helped her chances on landing AW

Jensen still had to audition - so much for being a "hot commodity"

Having to send a tape to get your old job back

and back to auditioning with the other soap blonds

by Anonymousreply 265June 24, 2022 1:13 AM

[quote] Linda Gottlieb wanted to place her own stamp on OLTL so it stands to reason she would say that to a Rauch hire.

Then why did Linda Gottlieb have closed door meeting with Andrea Evans to try to lure her back (before hiring Karen Witter)

Why did Linda Gottlieb fire Elaine Princi to bring Robin Strasser back?

She wanted to place her own stamp, yet she was out there trying to lure old fan favorites back to the show?

by Anonymousreply 266June 24, 2022 1:19 AM

None of those things happened in the first year of Gottlieb

by Anonymousreply 267June 24, 2022 1:29 AM

[quote]Most people put the blame on Mickey Dwyer Cunting, though.

Is she burning in hell yet? How about her friend Felicia?

by Anonymousreply 268June 24, 2022 2:46 AM

[quote] None of those things happened in the first year of Gottlieb

That is called "Moving the goalpost"

by Anonymousreply 269June 24, 2022 3:01 AM

Let's not forget - Linda Gottlieb fired Nicholas Walker and rehired James De Pavia - that was her first move in her FIRST YEAR

So since she was so gung-ho to rehire James De Pavia, that puts cold water on your assertion that Jensen Buchanan was a "hot commodity" after they said

"Send us your tape" when she inquired about coming back

They were fine rolling out the carpet for James De Pavia, but NOT Jensen Buchanan

by Anonymousreply 270June 24, 2022 3:06 AM

[quote] That is called "Moving the goalpost"

So tiresome and tendentious.

Gottlieb did a lot of big things on her own in the first year-ish, but bringing Strasser back was a network push.

by Anonymousreply 271June 24, 2022 3:19 AM

[quote] but bringing Strasser back was a network push.

That is NOT what happened - Strasser inquired about the Alex re-cast on GL and dropped by to visit JFP

While she was there, she dropped a line to Linda Gottlieb to say she was in town

Gottlieb said "let's get together"

It was Gottlieb who brought Strasser back AFTER Strasser was inquiring about a possible role on GL

by Anonymousreply 272June 24, 2022 3:24 AM

R266 Auditioning is a standard procedure. The fact that she was HIRED out of everyone else says something, and surely her OLTL fame played into that.

by Anonymousreply 273June 24, 2022 5:59 AM

R267 Andrea Evans nor Robin Strasser were Rauch hires darling. Both of their debuts predated Ron.

by Anonymousreply 274June 24, 2022 6:00 AM

I meant predated Rauch not Ron. Robin actually quit during Rauch's reign and iirc was thisclose to being on her way to GL as Alexandra Spaulding before Gottlieb got her back on OLTL, which had more to do with her being the most recognizable Dorian during that time. Karen Witter may not have been the Tina to Linda's liking seeing how she was a Rauch hire herself, one of his final ones to be exact, while Andrea was the original Tina, dating back to 1978 before she quit in 1981. So not wanting to have Witter is the same as her not wanting Buchanan, two of Rauch's hires.

by Anonymousreply 275June 24, 2022 6:08 AM

R270 James DePaiva is a male, so it doesn't throw cold water on anything. I've already agreed to disagree; Jensen, imo, was a hot commodity while she was on OLTL and after she left, yet you didn't see it that way. There are plenty examples of popular actors being fired or not being able to return if a certain EP or even the network refuses. Finola Hughes was insanely popular as Anna on GH yet that didn't stop Gloria Monty from firing her and recasting her with Camilla Moore. Linda apparently wasn't a fan of Jensen's lol

by Anonymousreply 276June 24, 2022 6:19 AM

R268 😆 no Mickey Dwyer-Dobbin and Felicia Minei-Behr are both still alive and well.

by Anonymousreply 277June 24, 2022 6:31 AM

And as a matter of fact, Karen Witter wasn't even fired by Linda Goytlieb, she quit, so weren't those "closed door meetings" with Andrea Evans in 1994, when they were in the process of recasting? That's where Krista Tesreau came into the fold.

by Anonymousreply 278June 24, 2022 6:36 AM

*Meant Gottlieb

by Anonymousreply 279June 24, 2022 6:40 AM

[quote] That is NOT what happened

I'm reading this in the same voice as "Mr. Weinberger! Dawn Davenport is EATING a meatball sandwich RIGHT out in CLASS!"

by Anonymousreply 280June 24, 2022 2:47 PM

Is MADD a wizened old woman by now? She must be in her 80’s.

by Anonymousreply 281June 24, 2022 3:55 PM

hissssss

by Anonymousreply 282June 24, 2022 6:18 PM

Bev Mckinsey was such a lazy actress. She constantly held up production with her demands and always wanted to be on vacation. She was close to being fired from GL.

by Anonymousreply 283June 24, 2022 8:02 PM

[quote] Jensen, imo, was a hot commodity while she was on OLTL and after she left

If she was such a "hot commodity" why did OLTL tell AW - "You can take Jensen, we don't want her"

You can try to spin this all you want. OLTL DID NOT want Jensen - yet the same week they fired Nicholas Walker to welcome back James De Pavia

Continue spinning, but the bottom line is an actor is NOT a "hot commodity" when a show tells them to take a hike.

by Anonymousreply 284June 24, 2022 9:11 PM

[quote] , so weren't those "closed door meetings" with Andrea Evans in 1994, when they were in the process of recasting?

You forget Andrea was being stalked by a stalker - yes when Witter left, they tried to lure Evans back. Hence a closed door meeting

But it was too soon for Andrea Evans, to go back into the spotlight, That is when they turned to Krista Tesreau. Who was hired without even a screentest or audition.

Unlike Jensen Buchanan who Another World forced to audition - another nail in the coffin to the fake narrative she was a "hot commodity"

Buchanan forced to audition & screentest at AW + rejected by OLTL. While Tesreau offered her part, with NO audition or screentest at all,

by Anonymousreply 285June 24, 2022 9:16 PM

R284 Lmao I'm not spinning anything it's the truth, Jensen was at the height of her popularity when she left OLTL & joined AW a year later. One producer not accepting her back does not support your claim that she wasn't, for there have been several other instances where EP's have refused to hire actors back no matter how popular they were, so Gottlieb refusing to let her return after she quit a year prior isn't anything new. Hot commodities are even fired when certain EP's feel they don't want them a part of their show, and then they choose to recast or write the character off entirely. Grace Phillips was a dud as Sarah Gordon #2 so Gottlieb could've realized her mistake however it was too late since Jensen was already on AW (propelled from her being on OLTL for three years as the popular Sarah Gordon ; )

by Anonymousreply 286June 24, 2022 10:19 PM

R286 yet the very week Jensen was rejected, they welcomed James De Pavia back with open arms

by Anonymousreply 287June 24, 2022 10:21 PM

R284 Like I also stated, James DePaiva is a guy so the circumstances could've been different. EP's, networks pick and choose who they want to keep, get rid of, ask or accept to return as they see fit regardless if the actor or character is a hot commodity, its entirely up to them. It doesn't diminish the popularity of an actor or performer if they aren't asked or accepted back it's just part of the business.

by Anonymousreply 288June 24, 2022 10:23 PM

You forgot Chelsea raping Billy on YR....difference is unlike the other cases, she was never treated like a rapist...wonder why.

by Anonymousreply 289June 24, 2022 10:25 PM

R285 I didn't forget Andrea's stalker which led to her leaving in January 1990, leading to Paul Rauch hiring Karen Witter a few months later. One thing you're forgetting is that other actresses were under consideration for Tina besides Krista, so it wasn't like she was just offered the role without them looking at anyone else. Krista was also written out too a couple of years into her run.

by Anonymousreply 290June 24, 2022 10:28 PM

Roger Howarth was so good in his early days as Todd on OLTL. As bad as it is that they semi reformed him and he stuck around, I can let it pass because he just brought the hell out of that role when they started to humanize him. He was really good. The problem was when they tried to make him a romantic hero. Sadly Roho is a shell of his former self on GH now.

by Anonymousreply 291June 24, 2022 10:28 PM

[quote] One thing you're forgetting is that other actresses were under consideration for Tina besides Krista, so it wasn't like she was just offered the role without them looking at anyone else. Krista was also written out too a couple of years into her run.

and they liked none of them - among who auditioned Tonja Walker (who later got the role of Alex), Catherine Hickland and Janine Turner

They took a look at an old audition Krista did for All My Children - and felt that was good enough and offered her the part

And according to Krista, she quit, she wasn't written out, because she wanted to return to L.A.

by Anonymousreply 292June 24, 2022 10:31 PM

[quote] It doesn't diminish the popularity of an actor or performer if they aren't asked or accepted back it's just part of the business.

So Linda Gottlieb makes a play for James De Pavia, Robin Strasser, John Loprenio and Andrea Evans (Evans saying no)

But tells Jensen Buchanan to take a hike

And that doesn't diminish her alleged popularity? What universe do you live in when an actor is rejected out of hand like that?

by Anonymousreply 293June 24, 2022 10:33 PM

R287 Linda (along with the network) apparently felt that they wanted him back over his recast. There's a lot of politics involved in bringing someone back so popular actors aren't always brought on as they see fit, Jensen isn't the first or the last. It still doesn't negate her popularity. Fiona Hutchison joined GL in part due to her popularity on OLTL. Same goes for Jensen on AW.

by Anonymousreply 294June 24, 2022 10:33 PM

Please don't ever bring up that hack queen Ron here.

by Anonymousreply 295June 24, 2022 10:36 PM

[quote] Fiona Hutchison joined GL in part due to her popularity on OLTL.

But at least Fiona was asked back by OLTL at least twice, before saying yes the third time they asked

Jensen can't even say that - you know, you are the only one clinging to this notion Jensen was "hot commodity" despite being rejected by OLTL.

by Anonymousreply 296June 24, 2022 10:36 PM

R292 No, Tonja Walker was already on as Alex when Krista joined in 1994. Maybe you're confusing those auditions with Karen Witter's hiring in 1990 so she must have been selected over them, not Krista.

by Anonymousreply 297June 24, 2022 10:38 PM

R293 The real world, where Finola Hughes was fired and recast on GH, among other actors who have been let go at the height of their popularity. Its not as uncommon as you think. We can do this until the end of this thread its of no consequence to me, Jensen was a hor commodity on OLTL and when she joined AW. Just because Linda Gottlieb or you didn't see it isn't enough to say she wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 298June 24, 2022 10:41 PM

R297 oh yeah you are right - my mistake. Tonja did audition for Tina, but Karen Witter got the part. But they liked her so much, they created Alex to fill the void when Jensen Left

Tonja was also up for the Caroline Spencer role on B&B, before TPTB decided to kill off the character.

by Anonymousreply 299June 24, 2022 10:41 PM

R296 Linda G wasn't EP when Fiona was asked back that was well after she left GL.

by Anonymousreply 300June 24, 2022 10:43 PM

Isn't Jensen a crazy drunk with a ton of legal issues now?

by Anonymousreply 301June 24, 2022 10:43 PM

R299 Right and Genie Francis was up for Caroline too. You actually seem to remember a lot like myself lol however if you want to continue this argument we can carry on.

by Anonymousreply 302June 24, 2022 10:45 PM

[quote] Linda G wasn't EP when Fiona was asked back that was well after she left GL.

How do you Linda G didn't ask her back (1991 or 1992) the two times they did ask her back?

by Anonymousreply 303June 24, 2022 10:46 PM

R301 Lol sadly that's the case.

by Anonymousreply 304June 24, 2022 10:47 PM

[quote]The real world, where Finola Hughes was fired and recast on GH

That is not what happened. Finola exercised an "out" clause in her contract to take a 7 week leave of absence so she could do the ABC series "Jack's Place"

Gloria Monty was furious - on Finola last day before her 7 week break, after she finished her last scene - Gloria went up to her and said

"you just had your last day" then walked away

The next day Finola agents got word, she was released from the show. Since that day - ABC had wanted her back on GH for years. and it took many years for Finola to go back to GH,

by Anonymousreply 305June 24, 2022 10:48 PM

R303 I thought you were referring to her finally returning in what was it 2001? Well if she was asked in 1991/1992 then correct that was Linda G

by Anonymousreply 306June 24, 2022 10:50 PM

R305 No that is what happened. How you're explaining it is what led to her firing, I just didn't go into the details. Finola was replaced by Camilla Moore for a month; you're forgetting that Finola was able to get her job back in early 1992 only to leave later that year with Tristan.

by Anonymousreply 307June 24, 2022 10:53 PM

[quote] you're forgetting that Finola was able to get her job back in early 1992 only to leave later that year with Tristan.

She only returned for one episode in 1992 - that is hardly "getting your job back"

by Anonymousreply 308June 24, 2022 10:59 PM

If you're popular enough, the network will move heaven earth to get you back.

by Anonymousreply 309June 24, 2022 11:02 PM

Krista Tesreau was Tina when I started watching OLTL and she still is Tina for me. I LOVED her in that role and I'm sorry she's not on any soaps today. No insult to Andrea Evans, of course--she was BRILLIANT as Rebecca Hotchkiss on Passions.

by Anonymousreply 310June 25, 2022 12:13 AM

Andrea Evans and Fiona Hutchison leaving OLTL were the most disastrous things to happen to the show. Its two most popular female stars of that period and into the void that was left came the dreadful 90s characters such as Todd.

by Anonymousreply 311June 25, 2022 12:31 AM

R308 Well I didn't recall Finola only returning for one episode lol I knew she was brought back to finish Anna's storyline/facilitate her & Robert's exit. Gloria was fired shortly after that debacle too iirc and was pretty much chastised for firing Anna.

by Anonymousreply 312June 25, 2022 12:34 AM

*Firing Finola lol

by Anonymousreply 313June 25, 2022 12:35 AM

R314 In most cases correct however the more I'm interacting with you the more I'm admiring your soap history and you've made me chuckle so it'll be weird for me to keep going back and forth lol

by Anonymousreply 314June 25, 2022 12:40 AM

R295 Lmao who, "The Writer" aka Ron Carlivati?

by Anonymousreply 315June 25, 2022 12:54 AM

[quote] Well I didn't recall Finola only returning for one episode lol I knew she was brought back to finish Anna's storyline/facilitate her & Robert's exit.

That was the ONE episode she returned for - to go off with Robert. According to the synopsis of that episode, Robert left to go search for Anna (who was kidnapped by Faison) - the synopsis doesn't mention her at all. But maybe she appeared in a dream sequence or something

But that single episode she returned for, was Robert last episode. Then later both were killed off-screen

by Anonymousreply 316June 25, 2022 1:03 AM

For some reason, Marty Saybrooke, a beloved character, Ron Carlivati shoed no respect for. It was unreal.

by Anonymousreply 317June 25, 2022 4:42 AM

Showed*

by Anonymousreply 318June 25, 2022 4:42 AM

R317 I like RC but what he did to that character, and that whole rapemance with FakeTodd was the sleaziest, most offensive shit I have see a HW do on a soap.

by Anonymousreply 319June 25, 2022 4:47 AM

To maintain the legacy of the show Marty Saybrooke should have been untouchable. Someone at ABC should've known better

by Anonymousreply 320June 25, 2022 5:46 AM

No character should be untouchable. It's shortsighted, limiting, and actors hate it.

by Anonymousreply 321June 25, 2022 5:48 AM

Bulllshit, that character earned it.

by Anonymousreply 322June 25, 2022 5:50 AM

Karen's prostitution, Viki's DID and Marty's gang rape were the show's flagship stories. They all deserved proper respect.

by Anonymousreply 323June 25, 2022 5:53 AM

I was AGHAST at how Marty ended on OLTL. She became a serial killer...over John McBain!?!? There are no words. To my undying surprise, Susan Haskell love the way the character ended and wasn't bitter about it at all. Fans universally hated it, of course.

by Anonymousreply 324June 25, 2022 5:57 AM

Susan held her nose and played the shit out of the story and could've easily won another Emmy. But she didn't submit by the way. Because of what it did to her character. She's still very close with Hilary Smith and Kassie DePaiva. They're all good friends.

by Anonymousreply 325June 25, 2022 6:03 AM

She didn't submit because it was good material but she enjoyed playing it. I'm not sure I agree that she would have won again if she had submitted. She did the Mary Katherine Gallagher when she threw Natalie off the top of John's apartment building, among other uncharacteristically hammy choices.

by Anonymousreply 326June 25, 2022 6:09 AM

*wasn't good material

by Anonymousreply 327June 25, 2022 6:12 AM

[quote]Karen's prostitution, Viki's DID and Marty's gang rape were the show's flagship stories. They all deserved proper respect.

So are we just going to pretend that Carla Gray, the show's first signature story, didn't exist?

by Anonymousreply 328June 25, 2022 6:18 AM

She had a crazy good tape where she got Todd to throw himself off a building that was absolutely riveting. And Trevor St John was also outstanding. She was manic and reminding him what horrible person he was and should just do it. I think it was New Year's

by Anonymousreply 329June 25, 2022 6:20 AM

R329 you are right. That absolutely another.

by Anonymousreply 330June 25, 2022 6:20 AM

Sorry R328 I meant. Amazing story too. And another important character in OLTL history

by Anonymousreply 331June 25, 2022 6:22 AM

Haskell won both times she was nominated Obviously the daytime community respected her work. The year after the rape only Howarth was nominated but mostly because he became a superstar. But his tapes were amazing. Jerry Ver Dorn beating him was ridiculous. Because he was naked with his buddy Ed Bauer in a towel before a wedding. Howarth had the apology episode and the pulling Marty out of the burning car "I need to know that you feel bad" where Howarth was amazing. No idea how he lost. Soap Opera Weekly had him as an easy win.

by Anonymousreply 332June 25, 2022 6:30 AM

[quote]For some reason, Marty Saybrooke, a beloved character, Ron Carlivati shoed no respect for. It was unreal.

In his Locher Room interview, Ron said the ending of Marty's story was one of his regrets.

by Anonymousreply 333June 25, 2022 11:45 AM

[quote] Marty Saybrooke should have been untouchable.

Whatever the fuck THAT means.

by Anonymousreply 334June 25, 2022 4:47 PM

R332 You can thank Jill Farren Phelps for that - she's the block voting queen.

I loved Jerry but I remember the second year he won felt like a "huh?" to many, because he didn't have the story that year.

by Anonymousreply 335June 25, 2022 4:49 PM

[quote] to many, because he didn't have the story that year.

It is about the versatility of your tape - Both years Jerry submitted both drama and comedy. The judges like to see a range of acting

If it is only scenery chewing, then it works against an actor

Here is Jerry Daytime Emmy Reel - which to this day General Hospital fans are upset Michael Sutton lost, as he submitted a tape of him dying of AIDS

While Jerry submitted one comedy and one drama, and that is what clinched it. JVD ability to do comedy.

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by Anonymousreply 336June 25, 2022 4:55 PM

Yet another reason why JFP is called an actors' producer. She takes care of her people and makes sure they get recognized.

by Anonymousreply 337June 25, 2022 4:55 PM

r337

by Anonymousreply 338June 25, 2022 4:59 PM

R338 for fucks sake, just unblock everyone if you want to see a comment.

by Anonymousreply 339June 25, 2022 5:05 PM

Alas, I am the one who is blocked, r339...

by Anonymousreply 340June 25, 2022 5:08 PM

Jill Farren Phelps got Ellen Parker her Emmy. Ellen’s career died after she was fired from GL.

by Anonymousreply 341June 25, 2022 5:11 PM

[quote] Jill Farren Phelps got Ellen Parker her Emmy

The cast of Guiding Light got Ellen Parker her Emmy

By voting that they block-vote for her in the Supporting Actress category

Once the cast votes for who they want to block-vote for, the EP can't do anything to change it

by Anonymousreply 342June 25, 2022 5:13 PM

The EP organizes all of that R342. If the casts were left to their own devices, ego would come into it. JFP would decide who she wanted and direct the cast to vote accordingly. This is really no secret.

by Anonymousreply 343June 25, 2022 5:16 PM

The only stah! of an Ellen Parker show is Ellen Parker! And that's ME!

by Anonymousreply 344June 25, 2022 5:17 PM

I'm sure JFP owns a beautiful house in Brentwood and was able to put her kids through private school, but God what a fucking legacy--she's killed how many shows? Grievously wounded how many others? People blab on about how she did some great work in the 80s and 90s but all of her stuff in the last 25 years has accelerated the decline of daytime soaps, and I hate her for it.

by Anonymousreply 345June 25, 2022 5:18 PM

Yes, because JFP did all that without network support and/or mandates. JFP was paid very well to do the bidding of the network and/or the production company. She didn't operate in a vacuum. That nice salary comes with having to take the blame for names you don't know, but people should be smart enough to understand that somebody signed off on everything JFP ever did and most cases they directed her to do it. No one in soaps as autonomy, except Bradley Bell.

by Anonymousreply 346June 25, 2022 5:25 PM

And really, regardless of what JFP did, the soaps were going to die anyway. The networks wanted out of the business, P&G wanted out of the business. We've still got four of them but they're just a shadow of their former selves.

by Anonymousreply 347June 25, 2022 5:27 PM

A soap fan carrying water for JFP--now I've seen everything!

by Anonymousreply 348June 25, 2022 5:37 PM

FYI - JFP was never EP of a show when it was cancelled.

by Anonymousreply 349June 25, 2022 5:42 PM

Where did I say that she was?

by Anonymousreply 350June 25, 2022 5:45 PM

[quote]A soap fan carrying water for JFP--now I've seen everything!

I am not one of those soap fans who decides that so and so is an evil producer or writer. This is network TV, everything we see goes through several levels of sign off and testing before it gets to air. When producers and writers are hired, they are hired to deliver on certain goals set by the network.

by Anonymousreply 351June 25, 2022 5:55 PM

I’m sure JFP has shit tons of money and doesn’t care what anyone thinks of her. She has the last laugh. She went out on top at Y&R. No subsequent EP has achieved the ratings she got on Y&R. She has 11 Emmys. She’s good and probably sends her love.

by Anonymousreply 352June 25, 2022 5:59 PM

R352 gloats about Marvel movies having higher box office than DC's, not caring about the fact that it's all trash.

by Anonymousreply 353June 25, 2022 6:10 PM

That’s because she preferred to leave them mortally wounded and dying an agonizing death while she ran off to destroy their competition, r349.

by Anonymousreply 354June 25, 2022 6:16 PM

R354 That’s so lame. GL went off the air 14 years after she left. Blame should go to Rauch having a clone and people walking through paintings and to Wheeler for the Peapack debacle.

by Anonymousreply 355June 25, 2022 6:21 PM

[quote] JFP would decide who she wanted and direct the cast to vote accordingly. This is really no secret.

That is not how Block Voting works - do you really think JFP has that type of power to say "You vote for who I tell you to vote for?"

This is a secret ballot, actors would be so offended, most would either spoil their ballot or vote for another person.

For all of JFP faults, block voting is a democracy

First cast has to agree if they want to block vote, if they don't, then don't

But if they do, they have to vote DEMOCRATICALLY who they want to Block Vote for by having internal nominations

If the cast chooses to support someone, JFP doesn't agree with, She has little choice but go with how the cast voted.

It is a democracy, not a dictatorship - and if she orders "You vote for this person" actor would either spoil their ballot or vote for another person out of spite.

by Anonymousreply 356June 25, 2022 7:28 PM

That is exactly how block voting works R356. JFP would pick everything and direct the cast to follow along. Again, this is no big secret and has been discussed for years. The awards were good for the show, regardless of who won them.

by Anonymousreply 357June 25, 2022 7:35 PM

JFP's bloc voting regime was resisted exactly once. The actor who led the resistance was fired and her deputy was bawled out until she was crying, had her guarantee cut next cycle, and was moved to a smaller dressing room. JFP doesn't play.

by Anonymousreply 358June 25, 2022 7:41 PM

Names, darling. Names.

by Anonymousreply 359June 25, 2022 10:14 PM

Is JFP trying to get a job in daytime again? And hired a PR team to help with her public image?

Who is this troll who's defending every action JFP has ever taken?

by Anonymousreply 360June 25, 2022 10:20 PM

[quote] Again, this is no big secret and has been discussed for years.

Then provide a link where this was discussed - and if you can't. Then you are just making it up

Because if this JFP was ordering people how to vote, it would have made it to the soap press or even Soap Opera Digest blind items

Neither happened, and the soap press did report many stories on Emmy voting behind the scenes naming names and shows. JFP wasn't one of them

So please provide link thanks

by Anonymousreply 361June 25, 2022 10:26 PM

[quote] Then provide a link where this was discussed

The smug "if it isn't in Soap Opera Digest it couldn't have happened" cunt has graced us with her presence again.

by Anonymousreply 362June 25, 2022 10:55 PM

Just to add my .02, on the original Daytime Emmy thread on DL way back in the day, when there were actual insiders, it was a big topic of discussion. Maybe that thread is on the Wayback Machine, who knows.

by Anonymousreply 363June 25, 2022 10:59 PM

Didn't Phelps have a year at Another World? I remember won years they got a suspicious amount of nominees?

by Anonymousreply 364June 26, 2022 12:25 AM

one*

by Anonymousreply 365June 26, 2022 12:25 AM

[quote] when there were actual insiders, it was a big topic of discussion.

Who were these insiders? Were they from P&G? were they from Daytime Emmys? were they from the actual soap JFP was producing?

who were they? where did they get their info?

by Anonymousreply 366June 26, 2022 12:29 AM

[quote] cunt has graced us with her presence again.

As Sally Field said

"Cunts are powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest."

So thanks for the compliment.

by Anonymousreply 367June 26, 2022 12:30 AM

If Stephanie Sloane from SOD hasn’t heard it, its not true.

by Anonymousreply 368June 26, 2022 12:48 AM

[quote] thanks for the compliment.

I must have said it wrong.

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by Anonymousreply 369June 26, 2022 2:21 AM

R333 and Susan Haskell will never speak to him again for it

by Anonymousreply 370June 26, 2022 4:07 AM

r336 I love jet ver Dorn but he beat Howarth with some very high drama tapes. Maybe the naked wedding jitters tape was fun and light to voters but I can'r believe Howarth could lose with those tapes. Maybe they were just too dark and creepy.

by Anonymousreply 371June 26, 2022 4:17 AM

*Jerry

by Anonymousreply 372June 26, 2022 4:17 AM

JFP bought Jerry his emmys. Simple as that.

by Anonymousreply 373June 26, 2022 9:39 AM

[quote] JFP bought Jerry his emmys. Simple as that.

Who knew that all Susan Lucci needed to do to win an Emmy

is to have JFP be Executive Producer of All My Children

by Anonymousreply 374June 26, 2022 5:46 PM

Well, I think the obsessive cunts have killed this thread. Alas.

by Anonymousreply 375June 27, 2022 10:03 PM

R1 It has nothing to do with what women want. Mast of those shitshows were written by men.

by Anonymousreply 376June 27, 2022 10:51 PM

Would they keep writing it if female audiences didn't show up to events screaming "Rape me, Todd!"?

by Anonymousreply 377June 27, 2022 10:54 PM

I wanted Tony Geary’s cum inside me. And I got it.

by Anonymousreply 378June 27, 2022 11:04 PM
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