Lilibet’s first birthday: Harry and Meghan's daughter is pictured enjoying 'intimate' backyard picnic' at Frogmore Cottage

OMG here it comes in 3... 2... 1... 😱

Breathtaking!

I guess this was the source.

Looks like her father...yikes.

Another crosseyed child?

Spitting image of her daddy.

I think she looks like red headed version of Charlotte.

Not all babies can be cute. That's an ugly baby.

LilliBucks, when she grows up...

Yikes

After the other thread claimed no other royal toddlers were in attendance, it was interesting to see this:

"Her Royal family members were also said to have attended including Zara and Mike Tindall's three children, Mia, eight, Lena, three, and Lucas, one, as well as Savannah, 11, and Isla, 10, daughters of Peter Phillips and Autumn Kelly."

If anybody is wondering why the sudden influx of brf threads and Anti Sussex threads I have an impeccable source within uk tabloids. The bratlike behavior of the third Cambridge child is trending and a certain video has had 16 million hits. Expect at least thirty brf threads. It's going to be insane. All bought and paid for. One of the signature trolls in this thread with multiple sock puppet accounts is linked to uk tabloid. Guess who

What's wrong with ye? She's a cute looking kid. Hopefully she'll turn out more like Meghan looks-wise as she gets older. Meghan is the looker in that couple.

Whiter than expected..

Here's Charlotte on her first birthday, R7. They look nothing alike.

She looks like Harry, which is unfortunate on a girl.

What certain video R12?

Two cross-eyed babies. It will be interesting to see how many variations of poses they make in future Xmas cards to avoid showing the kids head on.

most babies are cute, this is one ugly. She's in CA, plastic surgery HQ

Did Harry have an IVF daughter with a Chinese woman? That's not a 1/4-racial girl.

She's super cute, stop being so nasty!

this baby definitely looks "special"

Agreed R21. It's the childless gays at it again.

How come Archie didn't get a 1-year photoshoot?

Have you alerted the authorities, R12? Is black Twitter blowing up? Is it internet-wide? Are peoples’ IP addresses being recorded?

Oh, she's cute R21, she's just not the Gerber baby Meghan was hoping for. I think we all feel nothing but hope and dismay for these kids.

"an impeccable source within uk tabloids'....... Oxymoron alert!

Louis is being adored all over the world! This news must be soul-destroying to sMEGs.

SAD!!!

r17, likely this one, which is being discussed in the "Wft! Why can't Kate control her little brat????" thread.

Did no one else come to the party except the photog's kids?

She does look like harry and she does have a lazy eye.

She’s an average looking kid. Maybe she’ll grow into her looks.

I wish her the best!

Speaking of Louis the brat and the media's Meghan obsession, this was the best Tweet on the subject.

R28 you know the pictures of Louis sitting in Charles’ lap are getting/got to her.

Archie will never know his Grandpa like that. Harley clearly likes this kid.

She is cute! Though where is Archie?

Also looks like we will not be getting the money shot of the Queen with Lilibet.

I do find it predictably funny that this image of Lilibet gets released less than 24 hours after the world was gushing about the Cambridge children.

Not every little girl needs to be blonde and blue eyed to be cute. She's a year old ffs. Would love to see some of the posters' baby pics at one year old.

R30, apparently the the cake maker for H&M wedding is who released the photos. I guess it’s her family featured.

Amazing how "likes" go to posts shitting on a baby.

Jesus Christ, you people are damaged. A baby isn't even immune from your bitterness and pathetic, empty lives.😂

R33 here. *Charles, obviously

Archie is ugly as shit, too.

The world gushing about Louis? Not on this site it seems. Pearl clutching elder gays swooning at the supposed lack of parental control.

No one has said girls have to blonde and blue eyed to be cute, R35.

In situations like the one at r29, I’ve seen many a mother haul off and smack their kid, or pick them up and drag them out of where they were. A friend once picked up her kid out of a hotel pool, all the while the kid was screaming her head off and everyone around the pool felt real sympathy for her. The kid, by the way, is now an extremely lovely adult.

Kate just couldn’t discipline the kid because of the circumstances. Can you imagine if she gave him a swat on his behind? Or picked him up and dragged him off? She probably does those things daily when the cameras aren’t around.

The third kid is always like this, btw.

Anything goes on DL. R37 can stop being so naive now.

are you sure they didn't use donor eggs? they don't look like her at all.

Interesting no sign of Harry or any other royal children in these photos.

R40. let's be honest: If it was Markle's kid acting that way, the comments from the psychos who hate her would be screaming about calling authorities because she's clearly an unfit mother.

Proud black kween

Look at this black child! She and her brother were clearly denied titles due to being basically as dark as night!

With both parents having narrow-set eyes, there was little chance of either kid coming out as a supermodel.

r34, you think it's funny the photo was released on the first working day after her birthday/the day it was taken. When else would they have released it?

R43, dear, I'm far from naive. However, as usual, any time you see an opportunity to shit on that woman it's like meat to hyenas. The baby is not ugly. She may not be the cutest, but "ugly" is fucking ridiculous.

Where's her photo with the Queen?

The Potato Head Dynasty is secure

She is cute and a red head! trouble! future gossip.

I didn't know social media ever have days off. Please, aunties, this is not a pots-war word through which you had lived 80 years ago.

You fool R52! Meghan the TRUE QUEEN was clearly pictured with our new BLACK AFRICAN PRINCESS!

R52, I'm waiting for great-gran photo...it's coming hopefully soon.

She's got Meghan's eyes, nose and mouth. Harry's hair and coloring. She has neither's face shape - maybe Meghan's dad?

Too dark for my taste and too chink to be cute.

R52 see R34 There was no picture taken with the Queen.

R57 see R34

[quote] How come Archie didn't get a 1-year photoshoot?

He did. Remember him looking bored with the book his mom was trying to read to him? And his loaded diaper bulging out of his onesie (the baby version of a wifebeater + boxers)?

Oh my.......

Sweet little girl!

She has Daddy’s hair color and Mommy’s backfat. Don’t worry Lilibet, you’ll grow out of yours.

"When Prince Harry was also one, he was pictured with his trademark reddish locks, similar to how his daughter looks now."

As my mother taught me to say:

“Oh she’s just precious!”

(Because all babies are precious to their mothers.) You don’t have to lie; any mother thinks that “precious”=“cute”.

Unfortunately, I don't think she will meet up to her narcissist mother's standards and is in for a bumpy ride with Mama.

After waiting so long to release a picture of this baby, Meghan just let some random put it on Twitter like this? No sales to People or Hello mag?

What happened to all of the ROYAL COUSINS who came to celebrate Lilibet's birthday? Where is the sweet nod to Granny Diana? Where the hell is Archie!?

She looks very much like her brother did early on - with the red hair and slightly "off" eyes, but very pretty. Can we please acknowledge that these are two white kids with a bit of colour, instead of children of colour? Because that kid could be part of William's brood as much as Harry's. I'm sure Meghan is privately thrilled out of her mind: straight hair, pale skin.

you dumbasses going on about them broke are dumbasses.

She's cute. Too bad she's going to grow up isolated from her grandparents, cousins, aunts and uncles under two narcissistic parents.

R68 There was no time, the have to ebb the tide of negative PR they got over the last few days.

Louis is smacking his mother and pulling peoples hair and DL is tripping over their caftan to defend him and saying “hE’s oNLy a cHiLd!!”, while in the same breath they’re proclaiming lilibeth to be the ugliest girl to ever live while this little girl is only sitting there and smiling on her birthday.

Louis is darker than Lilli! sMEGs must be jealous.

R73, your bitch mother called. She asked you to double your schizo meds and go to bed early.

Lilibet is a proud black princess! Archie is a noble black king!

R73, take your nasty ass and attitude elsewhere.

That is a scary looking baby, it looks like her dad scary harry.

Well at least this will shut up the crazies who think the kids don't exist. That being said, they must need the PR our they would've sold these pics to People or something.

Yes, and so, R73. Louis was a bored, over-tired four year old. Lilibet is ...... unfortunate looking. Louis isn't an attractive child either, I think he's on the homely side, but I don't think his behaviour was all that strange given the circumstances. One has nothing to do with the other.

See Queen Elizabeth at Age 1 Side-by-Side with Her Namesake Great-Granddaughter Lilibet!

You must be a sick fuck with serious mental and emotional issues to say a BABY is ugly when the baby isn't even ugly. All because you hate the mother.

I would never ever ever guess that this child is 1/4 black.

The strabismus is apparently hereditary. Meghan has it, and didn’t Lady Louise? I know a family who ALL have it, to varying degrees. Also their eyes are set close together. When they drink, the eyes get even more wonky. It’s hilarious.

It’s probably something that can be fixed.

Stop the stupid comments about the baby! The only thing I will say is that she isn't squealing with delight.

For a party, that garden sure seems empty.

I don't hate Meghan at all, R82, but face it, the kid isn't cute.

I appreciate the wit, but sometimes the bitchiness is a tad too much on DL. My opinion? Lilibet is a cute little kid and Louis was just behaving like many four year olds behave when they’re bored. Why can’t both be true?

Love the comments on social media: they are 90% "baby is adorable...another PR stunt."

Is she really a redhead or has the pic been oversaturated so that she'll end up looking like a redhead?

This is why these two need a social media account. It's pathetic you have to release a picture of your kid through some random persons twitter.

R83, why though? Meghan is light skinned and Harry is super white. The kid is like Patrick Mahomes.’

Baby Lili is adorable :)

That being said, this is a PR student pure and simple. Dan Wootton has confirmed that Meghan and Harry were supposed to attend the Guildhall Lunch but backed out after they were booed at St. Paul's.

I dislike Meghan and I think the kid is adorable.

Cousin Louis was not invited to the birthday party because Frogmore Cottage is conveniently located under the Heathrow flight path and we did not wish to trigger another embarrassing public meltdown.

I find Meghan and Harry predictable and annoying, but dissing a baby is low. She's cute. I wish her luck growing up with those nutty parents though.

Those kids are whiter than Hilaria Baldwin, yet this bitch trying to claim the royals are treating them like (excuse the expression) house negroes?? Come on. She is full of shit.

Oversaturated, R88, compared with the photo where she is being held by Meghan. In that photo, the hair is sandy-red just like Harry at that age.

And I don't believe Dan Wooten. The BRF expected the miced-up Sussexes to host an event with politicians, aristos etc? I don't think so

She's a cute kid, but it'll be fun to see the Sussex Squad talk about Harry's "black children being denied" when...yeah. These kids are white passing. If you had no idea who their mother was, you'd never think they were mixed.

R97 I hate Dan Wootton he's a whiny little queen, however, his royals sources are good. Buckingham Palace is 99.9% gay men and Wootton is part of those upper-crust gay circles in London. The other royal reporter who is usually very accurate is Russell Myers, he's straight but the palaces boys would love to get in his pants.

Interesting that Archie is nowhere to be seen these days.

Now that the golden child is here, the poor boy is yesterday's news to his parents.

No way were those two invited to the lunch, no way.

What is this thing in her hair? Looks like crumpled toilet paper.

"Charles is denying his BLACK GRANDCHILDREN!!"

Like R98 states, I too await to see how the Sussex supporters will spin things into a racist attack on two, what are basically white children.

In fairness to Dan W. his information is coming from people who organized the lunch not just hearsay.

No one ever said that r103 you twat

Just like Archie, that kid is being depicted publicly as a redhead.

They're so desperate to garner attention it's hilarious.

R98, they are white, not even white passing at 1/4.

I don’t think she’s the cutest baby, but they grow and change. In all honesty, I don’t think the Cambridge children are that physically attractive either. The best looking Royal kids I’ve seen are the two girls from the Spanish Royal family.

R75 YOUR mother called and said it’s a shame abortion wasn’t legal back when you where born in 1902.

Does it sound right to you that the miced-up Sussexes would be representing the BRF at a heavy hitting event?

Lucy was hoping to play Baby Lil but Gary talked her out of it.

[quote]Just like Archie, that kid is being depicted publicly as a redhead.

The mental illness in this thread is off the charts. Now I understand why Harry is so concerned about security. You people are off your nut.

Spittin image of Samatha Markle, and Archie looks like Tom. Enjoy, Meggsy

She and Archie both look a tad albino. Sorry,its harsh but true.

which parent has the lazy eye. or is it an old curse?

I don't believe either of these kids really has red hair. It's just part of Harry's brand. If they do really have red hair, then it's because Meghan did advanced embryo selection and genetic screening (that is standard for the rich and famous these days) to ensure red hair genes.

I understand that the children in the photograph with Meghan, and that lady belong to the photographer. I assume she tried to take said photographer into a visit with The Queen, and had to make do with the pictures we see.

"She's cute. Too bad she's going to grow up isolated from her grandparents, cousins, aunts and uncles under two narcissistic parents."

Which is stupid. If those two had any brains, or cunning, they'd have been taking the kids to visit Charles frequently, often enough that he could get attached to the little sprats. And they should have made sure the kids spend enough time with their English cousins to get attached, if there was an attachment within the royal family it'd be that much harder to say "no" to their financial demands. How could Charles possibly refuse them security money, when they live in the land of school shootings???

They're a couple of dumbasses.

They are not wearing pieces from the Raquel Welch Wig Collection R107. Those children are redheads.

As Misan Harriman released the pictures on Twitter and is a photographer then it would appear that the guests were the photographer, his wife and their two kids. Not exactly a royal roll up!

I don’t think you could find more disgusting/mentally deranged comments on Stomfront. Some of you are very very sick people.

R118 that's basically when DL enjoys watching them. Seeing them make misstep after misstep.

She has a lovely shade of red. I too see a bit of Charlotte at this age, who looked a lot like the Queen to me at this age, though I think Lilibet closely resembles Harry more.

Also, genetics are crazy. Prince Joachim of Denmark had two children with a Chinese/Iranian/Indian woman and you wouldn’t know it looking at their two sons

The little girl is cute.

Too bad such a sweetie is saddled with those two parents.

I am laughing to myself because recently I was recalling Harry's claim of people supposedly commenting about the "color" of any children that might come of Harry's proposed marriage.

Thinking about that and then I remembered the story about Prince Charles' reaction to seeing baby Harry after he was born. Story was that Charles had been hoping for a girl (no such luck) and when seeing Harry, Charles was apparently less than thrilled that the new baby had red hair (like the Spencer family members).

Wouldn't it be funny if the supposed "color" comment was really about hair color?

Anyway, Baby Lily is cute. I hope she has people tending her who love and care for her.

Best of Luck, Little One.

R116 Lol are you serious? Isn’t Meghan’s dad a redhead? Meghan is kind of gingery herself with the freckles and the red tint in her older pictures

Are these the typical types of posts in the Harry and Meghan threads? This level of crazy?

Why is there even a discussion of the color of these kids? They are what they are, and I never heard anyone from either H&M nor the BRF say anything about their color.

Thank you R112 - a bunch of psychopathic racist bitches on this thread. Gross people.

This is why Harry and Meghan had to hide, and protect their black children from these awful racists! This thread is proof!

"Are these the typical types of posts in the Harry and Meghan threads? This level of crazy?"

What you're seeing here is the typical level of Harry-and-Meg crazy, combined with the Datalounge's hatred of children.

Lili is a cute little kid, and as innocent as a puppy, but some of the bitches here just have to slam her. Assholes.

The danger of a DataLounge thread. O the humanity

R127, uh, did you forget the whole Oprah discussion?

As a mixed person, I think it's common to be curious how the children of a mixed marriage will turn out. Genetics are a crapshoot. Tamera Mowry has a white father, a black mother and she married a white man. Her kids are considerably darker than Archie and Lilibet. And there's always the possibility that when they have kids, a darker gene might pop up.

You want to see crazy, search the #Lilibet hashtag on Twitter.

[quote]"To us an Angel was born"

Nobody has asked you to join, so fuck off back to LSA, FoxyBitch @ R128.

[quote]Our beautiful niece Lili

Markle stans are mentally ill.

Fuck off and get knocked up for the umpteenth time, R130.

[quote]the way my mom started crying when she saw princess #lilibet picture with her sweet face.

Anyway, you get the picture. No wonder the Sussexes want security, they need protection from their own loony fans.

Yaasssz the bkack kween has arrived to her rightful throne - People Magazine.

She looks like Harry ... which isn't a good thing, to put it charitably.

LiliBot looks like a mashup of her granddads: James Hewitt and Thomas Markle. Kinda cute if you're drunk.

R134, most of us are NOT from LSA, and your fucking racist comment is is a perfect example of why a rational discussion can’t happen on these posts. Why do you assume that someone who objects to posts about these kids’ colors is black?

R138, hahahaha omfg ... holy shit, their fangirls are truly deranged.

How dare racists call out these beautiful black children!

It is unfortunate that a hay man has to point out the incredible misogyny of the slaying of a woman as a mother because of a cranky 4 year old having a tantrum. An occurrence common across the known Universe.

The extrapolation of the event to question the entire suitability of the.Mum to parent at all is an exhibition of the double standards women are held to.

After all, Louis also has a father. Did anyone happen to notice his 6"3" Papa a few feet away?

Kids throw tantrums, especially at this age and especially if they have any - as my sainted Mum used to call it - "go" about them.

The gleeful leap to pillory Kate but somehow forget William, and the wilfully denial of the universality of tired four year old tantrums, is misogyny writ large.

And here, of all places. I give the Cambridges credit for doubling down and silly referencing their son's dramatics with photos and the addendum to what good time they had . . . Especially Louis. Go Kate and William!

I don't doubt the photo of Lilibet was rushed out quickly to stem the tide of Nah Nah Nahs at the disaster the Jubilee was for the Sussex brand.

Just the same, it's an adorable photo of a pretty little girl. I don't think Archie looks like this any longer, it will be interesting to see if Lilibet changes as her brother has.

Except . . . I could be wrong, but does that photo show blue eyed eyes rather than the brown her brother has?

That would be a supercalufragilistic thrill for Meghan, but I can't quite tell from the photo.

R142, so you're from Celebitchy or some other Markle fan board. All you dumb bitches can do is cry "RACISM!!!". Yawn.

Anyway, fuck off.

not sure it's exclusively the fangirls that are deranged here.

Meghan's got her issues, but jesus fuck the crazy cunts on this thread callling out a baby for ... EXISTING!

Such a shame she was born without legs.

I feel sorry for Archie. Do his parents still know he exists?

What a bunch of horseshit r146, that shows you neither saw my posting history nor care. We don’t cry racism, only when the fucking post is racist.

Maybe she can form a support group with Blue Ivy and the Willis sisters for girls who look like their dads too much.

Yes, Louis is obviously a terror special ed student.

He belongs on the short bus, or the featured BBC 'tard on cooking/gardening shows.

R147, there are a few posters who, when called out on their racism, attack back by claiming those who are calling them out are fans of Meghan. They just can’t handle the truth. I don’t think I’ve seen one “sugar” on DL. Most of us are ambivalent but enjoy royal gossip. But forget it—if you call anyone out for their bs, you’re obviously a PR hack or Meghan fan from some other message board.

And again, it's nothing but "RAAAAACISM!!!" R150 can come up with.

There was no racist post in the first place, bitch, you only try to stir up shit by claiming some post to have been racist when it clearly wasn't.

Fuck off. Your lame spiel is well known in here by now.

Archie was voted box office poison by his parents, and his contract will not be renewed. The press release will state they "parted as friends"

Our Black Princess Lilibet!

And r154 is the proof to the post at r153.

[quote] What's wrong with ye?

Ye?

R155, I do feel sorry for him, he has literally become irrelevant when they announced they were expecting a girl, i. e. Diana 2.0.

Ebony & Ivory...

The proof that you dumb bitches can only come up with lies and shit-stirring, R147?

R116 I pondered the same thing. Archie has bright red hair in the Christmas picture. In the picture with the chickens it’s brown.

Did I mention boo fuckin hoo?

The proof that you dumb bitches can only come up with lies and shit-stirring, [R157]?

Sorry, R147.

She probably has got brown hair, just like her brother has.

R161, did you not post this at r137? Trolldar doesn’t lie.

“ Fuck off and get knocked up for the umpteenth time r130.”

What did you mean by that? I mean, we all know what you meant by that. But go ahead and explain how it wasn’t racist.

Lil Bit is cute and M&H have every right to celebrate their daughter's birthday. I can't actually like them as people though ever since Meghan released her angry statement lecturing TQ about service. That level of crazy arrogance is just too much to forget.

The serene legless child floating on a sea of perfect grass

What's racist about telling you to get knocked up again, R166? Do tell, I'm curious to know.

This thread is caustic. I'm out.

R169, seriously? You’re dimmer than Harry, and that’s pretty fucking dim!

I’m out too. Muriel is going to nuke this thread anyway.

Yeah, fuck off R171.

Bye.

Still can’t defend yourself, r172. Yeah, telling someone to fuck off is the idiot’s answer to everything.

Put R171 on ignore and ALL the posts where racism is used to derail this thread are GONE.

Quelle surprise.

*where the racism card is used

Sure, r174. My comments about how Lili is cute and Louis is just a kid, too?

You still can’t defend your post. Why not?

If they didn't love the attention and publicity, then they'd never release an "official" photo of any child. iI's one thing to have one incidentally taken (sort like the B^W pic) but this is what they are all about.

And I am LMAO at all the clutched pearls bending over backwards to call Lilibet pretty or whatever. She is a homely baby. And that has to be the best of the batch. Doesn't mean she's not loved and adorable as all babies are in real life.

But ugly and homely babies often grow out of it. One of my dear friends had an ugly baby. I mean ugly. We all knew it and so did the mom. That baby girl was utterly beautiful by the time she was 6. Not that I expect that here. Not with those parents. But being ugly now means little.

In between the serious Pearl-clutching comments, there are some really funny ones. You bitches are making me laugh.

Poor little mite. She’s cute.

Keep posting your lame spiel, bitch @ R171, R173, R176 ... XOXO

I'm certain the little angel will grow into her looks. Nrs. Narkle and her entire famiky are a blessing to us all

Just a reminder of what r179 posted upthread.

“ Fuck off and get knocked up for the umpteenth time r130.”

I wouldn't say she looks 'homely'. She looks average, not particularly cute, tbf, but she's certainly not 'homely'.

Teresa Giudice’s dorters were homely babies R177. Most of them are now homely young adults.

Lilibet is a cute baby.

She's a cute baby. If she stays cute, will be interesting to see her relationship with her mother.

Why do people put their little ones on the grass for photo ops? Aren’t they worried about ticks and bug bites?

R184, it will be interesting.

She looks like her Dad! Did she shave for the photo?

Lilibet will likely start to face her mother's wrath when she hits her mid-teenage years. Nothing angers a competitive aging actress more than the bloom of youth.

Lili resembles Beau Bridges.

R188 I've been there!

If any problems continue, mommy is in touch with multiple helpers for *spa treatments*

[quote]Did Harry have an IVF daughter with a Chinese woman? That's not a 1/4-racial girl.

If a biracial person who has kids with a white person the kids usually look white. Donna Summer's granddaughter's are a good example. They're with their mother, Donna's biracial daughter.

Good lord, I'm sorry for the spelling/grammar errors in my above post!

R188 is right.

Smegs and Lilibet, Christmas 2038.

Grace Jones and her redheaded granddaughter.

R195 I...hope that baby's hair has grown out a bit.

Upthread there were pictures of Lilibet and QE at 1, and QE was an ugly, fat-faced baby - Lilibet, while not Gerber baby standard, is fine, especially by comparison.

But what a child looks like at 1 often has absolutely nothing to do with how attractive they are when they're older.

I bet she ends up prettier than Prince Andrew's bug-eyed buck-teeth daughter Beatrice.

Here's our Bea. (funny how Andrew was always considered the best looking of QE's four)

“Dorters”, R183? That’s a good one.

A cute child doesn’t translate into a beautiful adult.

Cute kid. She doesn’t look like a Lili to me. She looks more like a Margaret or Peggy or Eleanor.

Now that racism!!! crying R171 etc has been found out, she has stopped posting all of a sudden. Probably getting herself a new account now. Sad.

Anyway, R188 has got a good point here. Lilibet might be the golden child now (what about Archie, btw), but if she dares looking better than Madame Duchess in her teen years, woe betide her. Meghan will make the girl's life a living hell.

^^You forgot Ethel, Eunice or Hortense.

Just a reminder of what r203 posted upthread.

“ Fuck off and get knocked up for the umpteenth time r130.”

They released it today to take attention away from the Cambridges after their success with the Jubilee.

D.M. comments suggest she looks like Samantha. I imagine that is being said to piss The Duchess of Netflix off.

But maybe it wasn't tweeted the day of the party so as not to interfere in any way with Jubilee activities. So thumbs up for that, at least.

And I'm happy to see the pictures - I hated worrying they didn't have a decent party for the child, who is not at fault in any way, but the story of her phantom birthday party might have embarrassed or hurt her in days to come.

I wish her and Archie well. As a child of two narcissists, lord knows they'll need it. Best hope (which luckily I benefited from), her narc(s) don't give a shit about her and ignore her, letting grandma Doria or babysitters/nannies take on the child-rearing. If any of them have decent empathy and character, they'll be fine. My maternal grandmother was my godsend and I still think of her as my private personal Buddha.

And still nobody cares, R205.

I meant that I am the child of two narcs. I still can't figure Harry out. Not sure he's a narc - just a fuck-up (ne'er do well, for the more puritanical amongst us - if there are any?)

Apparently you do, r209,

R208 she's a year old. She could've had the biggest party on earth or a single cupcake and she wouldn't know the difference or remember

Both of their children look like Thomas Markle. Hahahaaaaaa

They did that before, R206. Remember Meghan's pap walk with Archie when she was 'taking him to school' right after Louis' third (?) birthday. They're terribly predictable.

Honestly I think Karma for Smug would be for Lili to turn out lovely as her mother is ravaged by old age.

Photos of them side by side as Meg ages horribly.

The Queen a fat faced ugly baby?!

Jesus. She was a beautiful baby, with her keen blue eyes, dandelion fluff hair, and exquisite skin. Fat-faced? When was a baby with a skinny face ever considered the standard?

Christ you people are insane.

It's a cute picture but as we saw this weekend, the Sussexes can't upstage the monarchy. This pic isn't going to reach anywhere near the same exposure as Louis did at the Jubilee. They just aren't royal like that anymore.

When I saw the abbreviated headline, I thought it was about Kelly Garrett's doll in "The Seance." Meh.

I thought the 'go get knocked up for the umpteenth time" line was an accusation of frau-dom (i.e. an accusation of being a female human invading a gay male board to post about stereotypically female topics.

There's a lot in this thread. A lot of mean comments about 2 toddlers (1 Cambridge, 1 Sussex). But I haven't seen anything racist. If you have, cut and paste it. And it has to be racist on its own, not just a random mean comment that you've assumed is racist.

She is a gorgeous baby. I don't think much of her parents' personalities or choices, but she is apart from all that and is objectively beautiful.

Far cuter than I anticipated.

R212 With a lineage that astonishing! Surely, one day she'll look up in the history online what the hell happened to the granddaughter of a king - and/or niece of a king - that doesn't even recognize her existence? She'll wonder why her life had to be so fucked up. (that's what I'd expect anyway)

R219, it was preceded by a comment by the same poster about how the OP should go back to LSA. I took it in that context. We know LSA is a board for black women. The poster then followed it up with the “knocked up” post, which I took to be a shot at black women and the associated stereotype. Maybe the LSA post was more racist tbh.

R216 you really think the baby on the right is cuter than Lilibet? (it's the queen) - linked at R81 and below

Lilibet looks like young Rachel

R222, check out posts r134 and r137. They are by the same poster. I’m glad to have a civilized conversation about this rather than be told to fuck off btw.

Btw, both babies at r223 are adorable.

Those ginger genes are DOMINANT.

Not really very cute at all.

I agree R227 that the mother isn’t very cute, but her little one is.

Hmmm, she’s not wearing the same outfit in r227. And she looks really tired. I wonder if the photo of her sitting in the grass was taken somewhere else.

Poor Archie is going to grow up the forgotten child. Remember their christmas card "Archie made us parents, but Lili made us a family..."

I mean that's probably the best photo they have of her, so...

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Those bushy ginger eyebrows are the cutest! She’s a better looking baby than her brother. Happily neither seem to have their father’s beady, close-set eyes, so they are already ahead in the looks department.

R232 There is a difference between releasing photos taken privately with a photographer you trust and presenting your baby outside to the public and press as soon as its born. I don’t know how Diana, Kate and other royals did it, I would have a panic attack. A lot of crazy people out there

R234 they were on a public street with the press at a distance and security around. Pretty lowkey

She’s a cutie pie. But her mother is completely transparent. Kate’s kids got tons of attention over the past few days, and, so, of course Meghan released the photo today.

She really is a piece of work—and not an especially crafty one. But let’s not take it out on the baby. Her life is going to be tough enough with Meghan as her mom and dimwit as dad.

r12 I dont understand the relevance of UK tabloid sources to activity on internet forums? Are you perhaps passing of your own suspicion or theory as having its origin in some authoriative source?

r21 I agree shes cute.I dont like the parents but I dont take it out on the kids.The photo is lovely.

I don't really have an opinion on whether babies are cute or not, because I just don't like them in general, but it's probably better if Lilibet grows up to be plain, because with a narc for a mother her teenage years will be even more awful if she's pretty.

She’s adorable.

R202 Yes, Margaret would have been a lovely name. Little Maggie. Eleanor is also a beautiful yet strong name.

I imagine it would have meant far more to Queen Elizabeth to have her beloved sister honored than to see her childhood nickname used.

To be fair, neither Harry nor Meghan is classically attractive. If they have a gorgeous offspring, it will just be a fluke.

I shared this link a few days ago, and am surprised to not have seen much discussion of it in the press. It's obnoxious of me, but I'm going to copy it into a few threads to try for feedback, because I'm shocked at Meghan's balls.

Not long after the shushing photo was released, jeweler Shiffon posted on Instagram pointing out that Meghan was wearing their pinky ring. They added several hashtags, along with mentioning that there was "more to come."

Not only was it blatant merchandising, it involved a child's image. The post blew up with angry comments. Mike Tindall was tagged hundreds of times. Eventually the post was modified to remove most of the hashtags and comments were turned off and hidden.

My theory is that the window photo merchandizing went over like a lead balloon, yet the BRF did not want to make a public fuss over it, risking stoking the controversies and distracting from Her Majesty.

However, now they knew Meghan planned to merch during the Jubilee, and things went from arm's length to frosty. By the time they went to the cathedral the next day, the situation had escalated, and they realized going to the lunch afterwards would be a disaster.

IMO there was a change in mood from The Trooping to the church, on both sides.

Looks like the company is in London. Soooo tacky. Does that company think Meghan is popular enough to use (and that the situation she's in is a 'good look' for their company's merchandising?)

They deserve a boycott. Well, maybe -- in any case, it's gross of them. (she's always gross so whatevs - hope the world starts shunning her like what happened this weekend - plus Oprah, Obamas, all the others who've realized she's a grifter)

It seems weird that a company in London would choose to merch their products via Meghan. If I were them, I'd be putting out an instagram post lying and telling everyone it WASN'T my ring she was wearing.

Not sure where to even put this... but Neil Sean says that Harry and Meghan were invited to the big outdoor celebration (Paddington Bear, Diana, and all that) BUT they were not to be allowed in the "royal box".

I thought the royal box had loads of lesser royals (and adjacents) - and even some non-royals, like military people or politicians? Am I wrong and it was just working royals? Or are Harry and Meghan even lower than the royals who aren't working royals?

Here's the link where Sean says it.

speaking of which... I just saw Boris Johnson (and wife) on the row right behind the Cambridges! So they're good enough to be in the royal box but Harry and Meghan are not?!

In truth, I am not a baby person at all so I just say "awww adorable" about all babies. I have nothing against the Sussex kids, I hope they have happy and productive lives and I truly hope Meghan and Harry are good parents to them.

That being said...the reason Meghan and Harry annoy me is everything they do is so predictable it's just ridiculous. I swear they'd be more successful if they just cut the bull and said "yes we want to uber famous and make a shitload of money milking the titles from an institution we hate." They are very contradictory. They claim to be environmentalists, they fly private all over the fucking world. They claim to be humanitarians using one compassionate act at a time, they have both trashed their families (while Prince Philip was dying) and ignore Thomas Markle's stroke for more lucrative PR opportunities like the Uvalde memorial and Jubilee, etc.

After three years of hiding Archie form public eyes, suddenly it's cool to put out a series of pics of Lilibet after a slew of bad PR. Again I have no issue with them releasing pictures, yes Kate and William do it so did Charles and Diana, but it's just with Meghan and Harry it's so obvious. Also the black and white picture of Meghan like done because B&W is easier to photoshop and makes your skin look better.

Well, hours later and this hasn't even hit the halfway mark. Has interest in them really fallen this low in this pair?

It's because there are 80 million threads on the royals right now so even die-hard fans like myself have thread-fatigue.

R246 my theory is that the Markles were placed as far away from the center as possible because they were recording everything for Netflix.

As usual, the Aussie media is the first to call BS on H&M's latest PR move hahahaha!

No matter what the parents may or may not be like, I think their daughter is precious. Pretty baby with beautiful hair.

Fantastic wrap up, R252. Thanks for posting it.

This thread and the one about Louis acting up give a great insight into the average mind of a DL poster- railing on the kids, describing them as feral, ugly or 'aspie'. Eldergays in their caftans rewatching Golden Girls boxsets. Just as well most of you don't have kids.

Definitely in the M's R202. Something matronly... Millicent, Mabel, Maude.

Fortunately, these pics aren't trending. It'll be filler for morning shows and online content then be for a few hours. Maybe Meghan will take a hint and stop using her kid for PR.

A one year old ginger daughter. Who has the misfortune to be the progeny of two people with deep-seated emotional/mental issues. Who should never have gotten into the kid biz. But they did. I do not envy their daughter her life. For as long as it lasts.

The kids might be ok. If Harry sticks it out, he can help a lot by being the focus of her rage (instead of the children - she'll try to make him out as the baddie and get them on her side and against him).

Hard to imagine him martyring himself though.

Another lucky break would be some people stepping up to look after the kids -- and she'll be bored with them. Little kids really are boring and don't give you much admiration and worship, which she craves or even requires. So hand them off to someone, and hit the town or the drugs or whatever she can figure out to feed that ginormous ego. (it ain't potty training and reading bedtime stories)

R259 Those kids are props for Megs "ginormous" ego. But what happens when Megs decides they have outlived their usefulness, no longer serve her purposes?

[quote]Look at this black child! She and her brother were clearly denied titles due to being basically as dark as night!

It's baffling to me that all these crazy Meghan-hating ladies think that only blacks who are "dark enough" are victims of racism. All these comments about how Meghan "isn't really black because she doesn't LOOK black" were bad enough, but the "the royal family knew that this baby wouldn't LOOK black, so therefore it's obvious that their treatment of Meghan wasn't about race" stuff is even more stupid, if that's possible.

[quote]After waiting so long to release a picture of this baby, Meghan just let some random put it on Twitter like this? No sales to People or Hello mag?

"I've been calling the baby 'Lilibucks' for weeks now and posting 10 to 12 times a day that this evil Fake African Princess was using her babies to make a mint! Now she's released the photo for free! I can't possibly have been wrong, so this must be part of another evil scheme of hers."

[quote]Are these the typical types of posts in the Harry and Meghan threads? This level of crazy?

Yes, and Meghan-hating lunatics calling anyone who disagrees with them a "terrible person and a schizo" is very typical, too. Every so often I get one of these nutters following me around on the board, calling me names in all sorts of completely unrelated threads.

Are they ever going away? It's always the same old tricks.

[quote] It's baffling to me that all these crazy Meghan-supporters think that only blacks are victims of racism.

[quote] "the royal family wasn't blind or deaf, so therefore it's obvious that their treatment of Meghan wasn't about race stuff, except to racist apologists looking to make it so.

my nephews and nieces were super cute as babies and grow up to be just normal looking. this is not even a cute baby, she ain't gonna be a drop dead gorgeous gal when she grows up...unless she gets lots of plastic surgery and she is cocked eyed.

I disagree, both of Lilibet's parents are good-looking... or were. Obviously Harry isn't aging well, but he was hot when he was younger and Meg was very pretty, and still is from the neck up.

So I figure Lilibet has good odds of an attractive fact, but only a 1/4 chance of inheriting Princess Diana's figure. But also a 1/4 chance of inheriting Thomas Markle's...

Meghan is pretty. Harry has never been handsome. He looked presentable around the time of his brother's wedding owing to youth and decent build. But his face, no.

R266 Oh ffs, predictions as to future beauty are stupid. Lady Louise Windsor was a homely kid and a geeky nearly ugly mid-teen. Suddenly, at 18, and also with slightly off eyes, she's a pretty young woman with a charming face, gorgeous skin, and naturally blonde. A real English Rose. If she ever learned how to dress properly and do her hair better, she'd be one of the family's beauties. A throwback to the Edwardian Era with that soft look of an eclair that was so admired back in the day

No one would have thought for the first 15 years of Louise's life

The child here looks quite pretty enough to ho on with.

"Till that unexpected hour/when they blossom like a flower . . ."

I mean, just look at his picture as a child.

I think Harry is the best looking Windsor in generations. He got the best from Phillip, whose features often look horsey or severe on other relatives.

^*go on with (not ho on with, and I'll thank everyone for eschewing the jokes)

R271 Is that you, Miss Keller?

Christ, man boobs, scraggly teeth, the ginger clown fringe around the huge ovoid baldbspot, the bony nose and little piggy eyes . . .

He was hot for ten minutes in his 20s.

He ain't shit next to the young Viking God Philip, or William in his twenties, or Arthur Chatto today, or his cousin, Lord Louis Althorp, the heir to the Spencer earldom.

And you can tell just looking at him that he's hygienically challenged.

I thought Meghan wasn't going to "serve up her children on a silver platter"? We've had to here her stans crow on now for two years about how great a mom Meghan is for protecting her children's privacy.

Why is Lily wearing a traditional dress and bow? We've had to hear for two years about how Meghan wasn't going to use her kids as props.

I thought Meghan was no longer going to work with British tabloids? Funny since she sold her kid's pics to The Sun. (I guess they were the only outlet to offer $$$. Remember the days when her PR was pushing Lily for the cover of Vanity Fair?)

They ALL look like people who’d live in my apartment building. I just imagined Anne wearing ancient Reeboks but the latest LuLu Lemon in the gym, not even working hard enough to break a sweat on the treadmill. And Lizzie Windsor harassing the desk staff because they elevator gave a shimmy as she was pushing her shopping cart in. Meghan annoyed because someone thought she was the nanny and not the kids’ mother. Harry slipping the doorman a twenty to keep mum about how late he actually did get in last night, in case the missus asks. Prince Phil sitting in the lobby for hours a day because his wife won’t shut up. Andrew finding a reason to chat with the doorman at 8:05 when the private school girls leave in their little plaid skirts.

Oh I could do this all day.

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[quote] Those kids are props for Megs "ginormous" ego. But what happens when Megs decides they have outlived their usefulness, no longer serve her purposes?

R260, meet Archie!

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And he's also better looking than Viscount Althorp, Charles Spencer's heir. Right.

And sooooo much better looking than his cousin, Arthur Chatto.

Yes, Harry is the "best-looking man the family has produced in GENERATIONS!"

More please, R275! I enjoyed it.

Do Archie and Lili have any titles at all? I know they’re not Prince or princess, but are they Lady and Lord? Lordling? Viscount? Idk the equivalent to Lady.

Or are they just Archie and Lili- two American kids doin the best they can?

R280 if Tom Cruise and Matthew Lawrence had a baby, it’d be that guy.

The latter, R282. Suckin' on chili dogs outside the Tastee Freeze.

R282, Archie could use Harry's Earl of Dumbarton title, but it is rumored that Harry and Meghan do not like the title due to the inclusion of "dumb" in the name. They also expected him to be entitled 'prince' upon birth even though they were rumored to be told outright that the monarchy was being slimmed down and children not in the immediate line of succession would not receive the title until Charles became king.

Firecrotch!

She should be so lucky. This red head turned out to be a cute kid.

Bea having breakfast delivered every morning because she “can’t cook”. Eug taking the passenger elevator with the dogs because they’re afraid of the service elevator. They pee on the carpet because she’s waited too long and they can’t hold it. Little Louis took a crayon to the hallway walls and that’s just normal behavior for a four year old, you know. Princess Michael never leaves the apartment unless she’s dressed to the nines and drenched in Joy (the original formulation); we can always tell when she’s come out because the smell drifts to other floors. Someone calling the super for a wellness check because no one’s seen the Gloucesters in a few days.

I love it, R288! You need your own thread.

Lilibet looks like Eugenie's kid.

R290, this baby has big eyes. Both of Harry's kids have tiny eyes...don't look like them beyond the red hair. I think they used donor eggs.

Lili's eyes are bigger in the black and white picture. The one in the glass makes he look like a rodent eyed child, when in reality they look normal sized.

Both kids look a bit like Thomas Markle so I would say they used MM’s eggs. But might have used a surrogate for Lili since MM is getting up there and already had a miscarriage.

If the children were not "born of the body" (eg. Meghan actually gave birth), they would not be eligible to be in line to the throne at all.

I feel bad for Archie he's clearly going to be sidelined for their favourite child.

R295 - Harry is sidelined from the photos as well.

Again it is hysterically predictable that Meghan was going to hock Lili for PR the minute the Jubilee was over. The Jubilee was a total regal slap in H&M's face with the Queen's gloved hand and it was glorious. Someone else already said it, but I'd have a lot more respect for Harry and Meghan if they just admitted they want to milk their titles and make as much money as possible rather than this compassionate bullshit stuff.

Age-progressed photo.

Do you really think Harry will need glasses at some point R298?

I do like the hairpiece. Looks natural.

R263- And yet the paid trolls try to convince us that up is down, boo's are cheers, those white children look black, greed is good, cruelty admirable, hypocrisy should be ignored, anyone who dislikes these complete waste of lives must be racist against this white, white- so white they cast a glare in the sunlight- family.

One thing I don't understand is why the Haters keep calling Lilibet a "golden child" and say Archie is being ignored.

I'm no fan of those twats, but at least I can see that if Lilibet is being heavily featured in their publicity, it's more likely to be because she came along when they are having to work harder for press, and when they were trying to get back into the Queen's good graces. If anything, Archie is the lucky kid because he was graced with privacy, while Lili is being shamelessly used for publicity, and sucking up to HM.

Because that is what narc mother's do. They pick a favorite and mother-smother the favorite and neglect the others until her daughter becomes a teen then the narc mother becomes jealous of their youth and emotionally abuses her as well.

R302 yes, but Lili won’t be her fav. Lili is a girl = competion.

I think Lili will be an extension of her ego while a child, then a threat/competition when she becomes a teen. I also think MM obviously thinks Lili will be the most profitable child in terms of marketing. Diana's granddaughter, who hopefully in MM's mind start to slightly resemble Diana.

I wonder if Meghan gifted her with a copy of The Bench.

I loathe Meghan but at least she doesn't dress Lili in grey sacks like Heroina did Shiloh and the rest. Archie is probably going to be the kid that gets the short shrift in that narc household. I could see either shipping both kids off to school once they become a certain age - or - trying to be the 'cool' mom that spoils Lili to the point she becomes a teenage nightmare.

Meghan is going to trans that girl, Just like Angelina.

I'm am no fan of these two but please stop polluting these threads with wild speculation about what dreadful parents they are. Both are self-obsessed and entitled but I don't doubt they care about their kids, neither of whom is anything short of cute.

Both Markle kids are ugly, just like their asshole parents.

Lili’s birthday reminds me of this:

R308 it’s kind of you to defend the children, but you obviously have no idea of what it’s like to be a child of this type of person.

Lucky you. Go hug your parents if you can.

I dont know what it is about Meghan and Harry, but the extremists on both ends of the spectrum are so insane its entertaining.

Pro-Meghan: Archie, and Lili are black children being hunted down, and stalked by rabid elderly racists. "Klan Grannies" if you will. These people are terrorist, and are currently being tracked, and monitored by every secret police force in the western world! Once the people of the United Kingdom, and Commonwealth realize how popular Meghan, and Harry are they will demand they make them their new king, and queen.

Anti-Meghan: Archie, and Lili are not real. What we see are only props dolls, or hired/borrowed children of various industry people. Meghan has mysterious backers that help fund this, because she is transgender or intersex, and a plant to bring down the monarchy. After learning of this dark plot, The Queen had Harry is secretly working for MI6 to get all the evidence he needs to throw Meghan in jail.

Good Luck Archie, and Lili. You poor sprogs are going to need it.

Archie seems to have been discarded in favor of Lilibet. It's nothing but typical narc parent behavior - the kid that "cannot do anything" for a narc parent is being forgotten. And good for him if he's only forgotten since narc parents love to turn their "most useless" kid into a scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in their lives.

Second R311. Some of us know very well from hard experience what Archie and Lili will face. It is more than exceedingly possible that neither Harry nor Meghan care about either child. Which is an awful scenario to consider, but even more terrible to live. Their best bet will be if there parents lose interest in them and they have some one else in their life that can show them their worth.

In my experience, the scapegoat and the forgotten kids turn out okay - or, at least, is functional in day-to-day life. The golden child turns into a non-functioning nightmare who has to be supported the res of their life.

R312- Most of her so called Stan's are paid trolls- vicious, hateful ones. They are just like her, she leads them and pays them. They cause more hateful feelings towards MM then otherwise would be felt. It is trolling, disinformation, divisiveness, that people are sick of not just with these two, but all two bit, no talent fame whores who are never called out for their BS behavior by the media because our media is owned by rich scum and the rich and entitled never have to answer for their behavior. The media covers them incessantly instead of correctly ignoring them and reporting honestly on them. So yes, that inspires another level of anger and disgust that otherwise would not be felt. It isn't just them, it is all people like them.

I pity those two children. Their parents are severely and deeply disturbed. They will use these two children to their advantage as they have used everyone else in their lives. The timing of the photo release is a prime example of this. They were adamant about a photo ban until they needed attention. Mrs. & Mrs. Markle are so desperate after the dose of reality they finally experienced at the jubilee.

R316 Falls in to the middle of the spectrum of the Anti-Meghanites. The Pro-Meghanites have similar accusations when their camp trends negative. Any neutral opinion will be labeled a "bot" or "troll".

Good analysis, R318

These two actually hurt people though. They are not just harmless idiots. They exploit the needy charities. They use and ghost family who once loved and supported them.

Couldn’t agree more R312, but just the insane part. Lol It’s really hard to have an opinion if it doesn’t fall on one side. Like I think Louis is a brat and his behavior was not cute, but I don’t like Meghan and Harry either. Those two things can mutually exist. I also find a lot hypocrisy. The same people who are making mental diagnosis of Meghan (narc) and Harry and their (future) parenting are screaming about people playing clinical psychologist diagnosing Louis. It’s just weird. I like gossip, but strangers (Royals, celebrities) don’t really get me riled up. Felt the same about Jonny Depp and Brittany Spear fans.

I wonder if Harry is still close to his Spencer aunts? For the wedding announcement and Archie’s baptism photo Jane and Sarah were front and center. Aggressively so, like Harry was already starting to put the screws into his paternal side of the family.

R322, after the Archie christenting pic, they were of no use to Harry and Meghan, so they got discarded.

That bit of the announcement where he insisted on mentioning that Lady Fellowes and Lady Sarah McCorquodale had been informed of Archie's birth still makes me cringe.

Talking about people who are no longer in the lives of the Harkles, what has happened to Harry’s former nanny? Wasn’t he supposedly very close to her?

Alright conspiracy theorists, can someone make a clear timeline of what is supposed to have happened?

They were booed Friday at church (haha, feckin' Brits), declined to show up to luncheon, then also declined Saturday's invitations- threw this baby shindig instead with professional photography and face-painting (which is an impressive feat to slap together while traveling internationally), then jetted away Sunday?

R321, I’m with you. I despise the Sussexes, but some of these anti-Meg people go overboard with the Cambridge worship. They’re better, but they’re not beautiful infallible gods, either. God forbid if you don’t find his behavior absolutely adorable. But the people calling him a Retard are just as bad.

R301 I’m not sure what you mean, they’ve only released 2 photos of Lilibet in her whole life. In what world is that being “heavily featured”?

R327, definitely. I don’t like the physical attacks like constantly saying Meghan has back fat and SpongeBob SquarePants gifs. It’s not even funny and it’s childish. Now I’m reading that Meghan used a surrogate or donor eggs. I always said the best thing that happened to Kate and William was Meghan. I remember the same things being said about Kate using a surrogate, they even identified who they thought it was! I’m LMAO as I type this. The Cambridges definitely have flaws like everyone and shouldn’t be worshipped. We only see a carefully crafted image. I totally agree that nobody should call their children by those kind of names. The klan granny troll is equally as bad as the Meghan conspiracy people.. The best thing that could happen is Harry and Meghan fade into the background and nobody sees much of them anymore. That would kill a lot of the discussion about them, hopefully.

Im not so heavily invested in H&M as some seem to be,but Ive enjoyed their train wreck immensely. Lets face it,theyve given us many hours of pleasure during the last few years of never ending darkness. I dont "hate" them,or dislike them even,but I dont gnash my teeth and spew conspiracy theories about them either.

R330 Here, Here!! I don't loath H&M at all and I wouldn't wish harm on them and I won't bad mouth their children. I find them hilarious because anyone with half a brain can see through their pretentious BS and see they are just fame hungry. The conspiracies on both sides are ridiculous. Of course Meghan had those babies, you can tell by the change in her body shape since she had Lili. Kate also had her own babies as she put on a lot of weight in her face during every pregnancy. I don't think the Cambridges are saints either, but I think they've mastered the old school mask of royalty which is far more appealing than Hollywood insincerity.

That being said, I think the Sussex brand took heavy damage this weekend. Their most ardent supporters will remain crazy for them, but it's clear the public is moving on from them. I mean Lili didn't even make front page in any of the serious UK papers on Tuesday or today (Wednesday morning here). Their biggest mistake was the Oprah interview. If they hadn't given that interview, they would've been given a much more prominent role in the jubilee.

Dedicated to the Klan Grannies

[quote]I like gossip, but strangers (Royals, celebrities) don’t really get me riled up.Felt the same about Jonny Depp and Brittany Spear fans.

Same. I love the trashy trainwreck which is the Harry and Meghan show, but don't care enough either way to actually boo or cheer them if I saw them in the street. I get a lot of enjoyment over their stupid actions though, which is why I hope they go on a vengeful speaking tour after this disastrous (for them) Jubilee.

You have to admit that with H & M and their shenanigans, the jokes just write themselves.

I’m really only interested in hearing about the Sussexes bullying staff.

The bad clothes are interesting, ditto the tacky house. They are a train wreck but the only thing that would potentially OFFEND me is the staff bullying. Though I suppose if it came out they are terrible parents that would offend me too.

I loathe them. Going to Uvalde was stomach turning.

Yes, r336, you’re right about that. I’ve tried to block everything about Uvalde out of my mind.

"Im not so heavily invested in H&M as some seem to be,but Ive enjoyed their train wreck immensely."

Hear hear! I don't hate anyone involved, in Montecito or in the Royal Family, I don't love any of them either... but hell I do love a good trainwreck!

Not to mention a ridiculous fan war, which is just getting silly with all this projection re the children going on. I have yet to see any evidence that Lilibet is the "golden child", she's just the child they presumably tried to use for publicity purposes re meeting the queen, and absolutely did use for publicity purposes when they'd been booed by the public. If Archie's birthday had been as conveniently timed, who'd be the "golden child" then!

I think some, myself included, have become fans of William and Kate because they empathize with having to deal with the aggressive idiocy of Harry and Meghan. By many written accounts, William forfeited much of his childhood being an emotional crutch to Diana and a caretaker to Harry. Harry responded with seething resentment and callous disregard for his brother and his family. Some in the press were calling for a rapprochement during Jubilee but I love that William didn't budge an inch. Harry should have never been William's problem to begin with.

Good for all of you who wish no harm to Harry and Meghan. I'm not that noble. I've dealt very personally with Harry and Meghan types and I await their further downfall with vicarious glee. When their Spotify and Netflix content is panned, when no one buys Harry's book, when the full bullying details come out in July, when they are forced to offload that tacky mansion, when no one in any industry will answer their calls...I will revel in their delicious humiliation.

Oh, I want a horrendous epic failure on the career front, but not any kind of physical harm. Social harm is entertaining.

"I think some, myself included, have become fans of William and Kate because they empathize with having to deal with the aggressive idiocy of Harry and Meghan. "

I suppose I have some sympathy for William and Charles in that they have to deal with a spoiled idiot, but none of this has led me to admire anyone in the royal family, and IMHO it's a big fat Stan fallacy that anyone who dislikes Meg automatically loves Kate. The idiot fans love to tell themselves that, because their minds are too tiny to comprehend that two sides of an argument can be wrong, and both participants in a feud can be assholes.

And really, what do we know about William and Kate? Nothing but what the publicists tell us, all they show us is an expertly crafted facade. I can admire the skill with which the facade is built, in a disinterested way, but how you love something you don't know at all? And face it, we know diddly-squat about the real WIlliam and the real Kate. But we know a fair amount about the real Harry and Meg now that they're off the leash, and not just what they want us to know. That's why they're so much more fun!

Yeah, I consider William and Kate to just be people doing their jobs properly and Harry and Meghan as people incapable of doing any job. I think the other royals should thank their lucky stars for Harry and Meghan's epic fuckups, because there used to be a lot more criticism that they were lazy good-for-nothings before Megxit happened.

William and Kate understand they are public servants and craft their public images in a manner pleasing to most of their countrymen. It evidences respect for a country who allow them to remain in their entitled positions. Harry and Meghan thumbed their noses at a cush deal and the country who supported them and then they piss and moan when the obvious happened.

Re the constitutional monarchy, I can't judge. I live in the U.S. and we are letting our country slowly slide into a fascist state. Bojo is grotesque, but their overall setup works better than ours. Plus, I love all the pageantry even if it is smoke and mirrors.

R343 I'm an American too and yeah I have to laugh at those who criticize the British Monarchy and parliamentary system of the UK while our country's political system slides into fascism. I'll give monarchy this, it prevents a populist figure like Trump completely seizing power.

I love how they are throwing Lilibet at us now because that's the only thing they have left beyond their titles to exploit their connection to the Queen. This weekend was nothing but a spectacular misfire for them. It's pretty clear, for whatever reason, they expected to welcomed back into the royal fold if not with open arms, but as important members of the firm. Instead, the whole family closed rank and showed the world that in terms of the monarchy, they are basically as "important" as the Yorks and Sarah Chatto (sp?). They were denied the opportunity to be photographed with any senior royals, they were barred from bring a photographer into the meeting where the Queen met Lilibet for the first time (it remains to be seen if they took a photo with an iphone or something), and it's likely no members of the royal family attended Lilibet's birthday party.

There is a photo taken just as Harry and Meghan are being shown where they are to sit and you can tell Harry is surprised by this. He clearly thought he'd be behind his father and brother. I don't know if it's true that they were invited to other events but didn't show. To me it would make PR sense because they would just be repeatedly shoved to the back.

I suspect the next few months are going to be interesting. They are liking going to try and take some kind of revenge but it remains to be seen if it'll have much impact as before. As someone else said, the Sussex beast has been slightly, if not fully, defanged.

According to Lady C, the Sussex pair were invited to the Guildhall Lunch, to the Concert and to the Pageant.

But after being oh so politely frozen out at the Trooping and their less than expected assigned seating at St Paul's, followed by the Booing, when they entered the car outside St. Paul's, they ordered the driver to take them to Frogmore. The driver was supposed to take them to the lunch and queried. Harry insisted.

The pair flew off back to Santa Barbara before the Jubilee weekend was over.

I think Meghan is quite beautiful in her way. Which is part of why I am so disappointed in the path she and Harry chose.

R347 It's sad because they could've had huge relevance within the royal fold but they let their egos get the best of them. While Kate and William would've always been more important because of their future royals, but Harry and Meghan, had the stepped back and took in a dose of reality, could have been hugely popular particularly on the global stage. They could've played a massive roll in keep the Commonwealth together. But they made the fatal mistake of believing their own hype. The Queen has always remained popular because she knows she is only "special" because if the office she holds, and office she didn't earn because of merit, or likeability, but because she just happened to be the eldest daughter of George VI. Royals who understand that their popularity and relevance largely stems form the institution not their own personal ability.

Just a thought, the queen was the queen during the tumultuous 60s. What did she make of that?

R349 Funny enough I just watched a documentary about the Queen the other day and a friend of her said her happiest decade was the 60s because she had come into her own as Queen, she had Andrew and Edward (who are her favourite children), Philip was happier because she had been given more say in changes to make the monarchy more modern etc. That makes sense, when you ask a lot of people later in life what their favourite decade was, it's usually when they were in their 30s or 40s.

In the picture at R227's link, the kid looks huge for a 1 year old. As I recall, Archie was a gigantic baby too.

And Elizabeth also knew that she was only the Queen because of her fuck-up of an uncle who couldn't behave with discretion. Then watches the Charles Diana Camilla mess; now the Harry Meghan mess; not to mention the Andrew mess... I think she's had a good schooling in the fragility of the whole situation. Oh, and what was up with her sister Margaret? I don't keep up very well but wasn't she a bit of a bother, as well? And Victoria and her eldest son - didn't he give his parents heachaches as well? (not THAT long ago)

That is not success R332. That is two people who arrived late, to give the illusion of a grand entrance. The reason they were getting weird looks, was because everyone was already there, and waiting for Charles & Company to come in. The video cuts off before we see that everyone had to get up from where they were seated to make way for them to get to their spots in the royal nose bleed section.

I do love how Meghan sashays in like she just got called down to win an award. Harry looks like he knows he is being a fool, but has already started walking and can't turn back. I can't wait to see what stunts they have in store after all this Jubilee drama. Whatever it is, it will be nothing short of tragic in it's transparency for relevancy. I really hope the kids don't get dragged into their nutting schemes, but I have a feeling they will.

Lilibet - she looks very much like Harry and I think she is more a legit ginger than Archie is. Meghan has done the same thing with Archie and Lilibit. A posed color photo and then a B&W. The B&W photos you can get a better sense. Archie's hair is clearly saturated (sometimes very heavily in the Christmas cards). There was a candid leaked of Archie and his hair was dark brown. Lili's hair actually looks reddish in the B&W photos. I'm just going to be an honest Dler and not feel shame that i think she is going to have weight problem when she gets older. There is something about red headed women, bone structure, and being porkers. I hope not, but she is no Kitty Spencer (that's what I'd want my daughter to look like if I were Meghan). See Bryce Dallas Howard.

In Tina Brown's book it was said that Harry especially was very disappointed Archie wasn't a girl. He really wanted girls. Just as Charles did not want a redhead,

Also, grain of salt, but some theorists think the photo was not taken at Windsor. The house in the back had a porch and beams that aren't seen at Frogmore.

Kitty Spencer - Diana's niece

Wow R355! Glad to see we have people cracking this case. We are all on tenterhooks, waiting for the big break! I'm sure the lab has a team working night, and day to make sure this isn't a CGI deep fake of Lili!

Lilibet Diana looks just like her grandparents.

R357 - isn't the world just a little more fun with people who do these deep dive analysis in it? Reddit really dives deep with receipts and not just name calling like on DL. But DL is more fun.

R124 [quote] Wouldn't it be funny if the supposed "color" comment was really about hair color?

I think that's absolutely possible.

Here's Kitty Spencer from a less flattering angle. She's a good-looking woman, but IMHO in a rather generic way, or rather, she has the kind of bone structure that gets hired for modelling gigs so there are a lot of models who look similar. Diana's beauty was unique.

It's ridiculous to speculate how a one-year-old is going to look as an adult, for her sake I hope she gets more of Diana's genes than Tom Markle's.

Two cross-eyed children...talk about bad luck.

R362- What's your point?

Kitty Spencer has a very masculine jaw in that photo.

The only evidence for Charles having expressed disappointment that Harry was 1) a boy, and 2) a ginge, is from the lips of that legendary mistress of Rewrite: the furious, spiteful wife.

Charles exhibits quite a few traits I don't admire, bit no one, anywhere, has ever described him as brutish and cruel.

Remember, the woman who told us this is the same woman who described her feelings on her wedding day ascher heart filled with happiness and hope, which hot changed to "lamb to the slaughter" later on. Despite the observations of hair and dress designers and staff on the day describing an ecstatic young bride.

Yes, with his wife lying there with her legs still open (Charles was present at both his sons' births), Charles made a callous, cruel, dismissive statement like that.

And I'm Carmen Miranda, my dears.

☝️ Wrong thread.

[quote] Just as Charles did not want a redhead,

Charles, at St. Mary's Hospital, upon seeing Harry for the first time: "A rusty-haired boy" *grimace*

For those claiming that the quote came from Diana, she wasn't the source when I read it.

The conniving duo's stunt of arriving late at the church so as to make an entrance is something no one could have anticipated and circumvented. Which is exactly the problem with narcs and sociopaths, you can't anticipate their every machination because they are such experts at their craft. Undermining everyone and everything comes so naturally to them.

The BRF shouldn't reward this bad behavior and rule breaking. Any time they do show up, there should be more restrictions and downgrading of status put upon them aka consequences.

I want to get the details on who did the photoshopping on the B&W photos in the DM pics. Awesome. Really first class. A true artist. I'd love the service of someone who could shave that many years off a face & pounds off a body ,&, plant hair, as well. Truly an artist!

R368, it does seem the organizers did their best. Who would have guessed that the Sussexes would break their promise, after having extracted the “iron-clad” promise of the best security available to royals? They couldn’t have known what stunt the Sussexes had up their sleeves. It might not have been intentional, even. Just regular old inconsiderate behavior from two petulant people who were already predisposed and peevish.

The Sussexes were spoiling for a fight before they got on their private jet to London.

R369 that PShop magic is courtesy of the astounding talent of M. Harriman. Wasn't his shot of the child with no legs floating on the grass stunning?

R369 - The best was how the photographer shaved five pounds off Meghan's arm.

And, great job on the cheekbones, too!

I was shocked when I saw the picture of Lilibet, tbh. Not that the baby is ugly per se, but I guess I was expecting something else and the baby wasn't it. It's hard to explain, but it was startling.

R373, same. I expected her to have the same curly hair that both parents have. Although Harry’s hair used to be straight and a lot more blond. Hair texture and color can definitely change at the onset of puberty, or even in childhood.

I wasn't expecting straight red hair.

As expected, the pro-Sussex press outlets are going on and on about how Lilibet saw the queen more than once, all the royals dropped everything to attend her party, the Sussexes have healed the tension blah blah blah....they are desperate at this point trying to play that they are back in the royal fold.

Lilli's hair looks unkept and a bit sweaty

[quote].they are desperate at this point trying to play that they are back in the royal fold.

so.... if they're taking that tack, then Harry's upcoming memoir shouldn't be so bad. Why bother to put out these statements if he's just about to blow everything up with a scathing attack on Camilla, Charles, William? No point whatsoever.

Or maybe pure sadism. Make it sound like everything's fine, and still shoot the wad, with a promise of even more shocking dirt, in order to make a huge payday and heaven only knows what other money-making schemes based on attacking the royal family and revealing secret after secret after dirty-secret. Now that would be payback for being put on the special-kids bus, denied the zillion-dollar photo of the two Lilibets, etc.

Stay tuned, sugars and pickles (or whatever the anti-Sussexes are called)

I would bet Harry is depressed and can't believe what has happened. He lost his childhood family. It may feel like a death. He was wobbly going into last week.

Should we be just a little bit worried about him?

Sounds like Harry has been an ass for years, you reap what you sow.

I think so. Mental illness is a bitch.

r378 maybe "sugars" and "salts" (since we are salty about them)?

R378, nobody believes that all is well and the Sussexes aren’t deeply wounded and plotting. And if they do, I’d like to have a word with them. There’s this fabulous bridge in Brooklyn…

Harry’s team (not Nacho’s, mind you) has some matches coming up this weekend. Perhaps he and the missus will feel a bit more cheery when they hold up the trophy (regardless of whether they actually win a qualifying match)!

Do they yet get that the hounds are nipping at their heels? To be shortly followed with the buzzards circling.

That Rictus Smile she sported even in the descent down the steps with the booing, so Hollywood..um but not the one she thinks..Unfortunately, she is Norma Desmond, not Marilyn Monroe

R378 - You have to remember that what the lunatic Sussex Squad is putting out there isn't necessarily what the actual Sussex PR machine is putting out.

The Squad says whatever it needs to say to comfort itself that the Universe is aligned with their ferocious need to have the Sussexes be what the Squad imagine them to be.

But even as poorly executed a PR strategy as Sunshine Sachs and the Sussexes have exhibited cannot possibly be stupid enough to think that the world didn't see what it saw this pas weekend.

The TIMES, ffs, carried the story today that the two brothers had absolutely nothing to do with each other over the Jubilee.

Harry's angry face, the Queen's refusal to let the Sussexes get a photo of her meeting the kid (and where was poor Archie in all this?!), the early departure, the refusal of anyone but Zara Tindall to talk to them and even she refused, even so, to offer them cover going down the steps of St Paul's - they had to face the boos themselves.

No rifts were healed - if anything, Harry came away feeling even more bitter and angry, and, therefore, Harry's little memoir may be just as bitter and defamatory as promised. No one in the BRF gave him any reason to rethink his memoir, unless financial considerations and/or legal threats were raised.

Omid Scobie came out today with "The future of the monarchy is dull."

Of course, that's emblematic of the Sussex's whole problem in a nutshell. Dull is what monarchies thrive and survive on. Omid doesn't get it, and neither did Meghan.

The shooting stars of the monarchy always flame out early and fall to earth.

It's the steady glow types that win the monarchy game, in the end.

The family can't have not known that by reminding the Sussexes how unimportant they are now, Harry would be angrier than ever and less inclined to play it safe in that memoir.

In which case, the BRF seem to be saying, "Publish and be damned."

And if they're willing to say that, perhaps it's because a defamatory memoir is the last bit of justification needed to take away the few critical things left from Harry that he might value. His kids' HRHs, trust funds in estate planning, any hope of further financial support from Charles, refusing to renew the lease on Frogmore Cottage, a total and complete crushing eradication.

If they were really scared of anything Harry had to say, they'd have been more ingratiating to him.

They weren't. That means . . .

Frankly, Harry, We don't Give a damn.

And that should be the most alarming signal so far, because it means the Sussexes don't have any more leverage over them.

The question is, did the Sussexes read the memo correctly?

^What makes you think either of them can read Anything. They sure as hell don't know how to read a room.

Meagain would put out a lie that they all showed up to Lili's party wearing Klan hoods if she thought it'd give her 2 inches of space in a free weekly giveaway paper.

Remember just a few days before their arrival, we were treated to fluff pieces about Harry, and William having daily face times, and William gushing about what a good mother Meghan was. The we got to saw just were they stood with the family, and the nation. Oh, sure we got to see Lilibet as round one of damage control, but it's about to get way more desperate. My guess is that next week they will go into overdrive, unless we get another Uvadle for them to exploit before then.

Let's not forget this wonderful depth she was willingly to sink to for what she assumed would get her a great TV gig.

I'm stunned they said that shit.

I'll guess that comes from Meghan, like the story about getting married a few days before - exaggerating Harry's story that they'd wondered about skin color (before they married - she changed it to while she was pregnant), etc etc. Like most narcissists, she makes up her own truth as she goes (like the Donald - millions of people at his inaugural, the biglyest crowd that ever crowded....)

I really believe that Harry is going to go there and say that he believes the BRF had something to do with Diana's death. I just have a feeling. If he said that, it would be that statement that would truly rock the BRF. Maybe that is what is be reserved for release after HM passing.

While I don't believe it's true, there is enough that could make one who wanted to believe it, believe that the accident was on purpose. There are just enough coincidences and circumstances that if Harry says he believes it, I think that will send an absolute shockwave through the media and the public, including the Brits.

R392 Honestly unless he has proof, I don’t think we’ll see much beyond a few lukewarm second or third tier media headlines. Harry’s credibility is long gone.

They really shot themselves in the foot with the whole pre-Jubilee BS stories about mended fences and William thinking Meghan's a great mum etc etc. Now anything else they put out will have no credibility.

Ruby is exactly what I picture Lilibet to look like in 20 years time, but I think Ruby might actually have a prettier face.

Or she might look like Rita Hayworth (I think her hair will darken, as kids often do)

Or maybe Susan Hayward?

If Harry claims the BRF did 9/11, I mean his mother's car accident, then I don't think I'll be the only one wondering why he waited 25 years to say anything in public.

Didn't the queen and Charles hire detectives to uncover as to whether Diana was deliberately killed?

He will say it took Megs to get it out of him. He won't mention that it was during a pegging.

R367 So you think one of the medical staff reported it?

Right.

Of course it came from Diaba. Who else do you think was in the delivery room besides the doctors, nurses, and Charles and Diana? Her friends? Her psychic? DM reporters? Andrew Morton?

It came straight f RT om the lips of the only person who could have heard it and woykd have shared it, either directly or through a friend who obligingly leaked it.

Thete is NO other candidate as the original source for it because THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE IN THE ROOM who would have leaked it

As I said, the idea that Charles is that sort of callous brute isnt borne out by any other evidence. Watching your child being birthed is a moment of intense emotions made up of parts anxiety, relief, thrill, amazement. The idea that Charles said something like that with his newborn son lying there and hi wife's legs still open and staff of At Mary's listening in my view is slum to none.

That was Diana, playing her victim song and sticking the knife in. She told lots of lies.

The irony is, it wasn't Charles who favoured William, it was Diana.

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I don’t get how they can make up those weird lies, like the one that Will and Harry were talking every week and best pals again. They have to come from the Sussexes. William isn’t telling the papers to write that, obviously.

They also did a big fake act when Meghan came to polo with the giant hat and the red lips. They hadn’t even won the qualifying match, but still lifted the display trophy as if they’d won the entire tournament.

These aren’t even difficult lies to debunk. Why do they do it?

Extremely Trumpian.

Bower's book comes out next month. Perhaps Harry is waiting for its release to work in a response in his memoir. There is the Spotify podcast, which is guaranteed to be dull and soon forgotten. The Netflix deal, which may cause some commentary but will not get enough of a response to continue the deal, Harry's memoir, the Better??? deal (from which we've heard nothing of late) and Travelyst.

All that to say, when does this all end? I think by end of 2023, all of Harry and Meghan's partnerships will have ended in one way or another.

R392 I very much doubt that his publishers will allow Harry to "go there". The lawsuits will file themselves. The most Harry would be able to do without consequences ranging from losing his titles, his children's titles, his place in the line of succession, and any hope of anything resembling a tie to Britain and life in Britain, is to insinuate that had the family been more supportive of Diana, if it hadn't been for his father's obsession with Camilla, his parents might not have divorced and Diana wouldn't have been in that car that night. "They drove her out!" is his only safe path on that topic.

Like everything else the Sussexes have tried, all such an attempt would do is reveal more of just how pathetically damaged Harry is, and how unable to move on from his own past. They've both tried the smear game repeatedly, it has always backfired on them. From the silly Scabies book to Oprah to Dax Shepherd, to getting Gayle King to threaten the family publicly . . . the Sussexes have always ended up with egg on their gaces.

The Queen is Britain's Head of State. Any accusation that isn't aimed specifically at an individual, would, ipso facto, include the Queen. Not least because it's unthinkable that any such plot would have been carried out without her approval, and that approval is beyond ludicrous as a possibility.

So what could Harry do? Tell the world his father ordered the hit in order to make it clear it wasn't the Queen? His brother was 15 at the time. His dead grandfather?

I think not.

To say that Harry has been unwise is to understate the case by a good bit. This is a man driven by his demons.

He's the Orestes of the BRF.

It ends when you spell Travalyst correctly.

Based on his previous comments, I think Harry is going to paint a one-sided portrait of the Diana-Charles-Camilla triangle where his mom was a perfect angel, Charles was a neglectful spouse and father, and Camilla was an evil conspirator gleefully intent on breaking up his parent's marriage and torturing Diana. William will be painted as 'just as wild' as Harry but protected from the public due to his position. Harry may imply drug use. Catherine will be painted as a snob who rejected his wife. All of them will be painted as taking advantage of the Queen in her old age.

I think he will say the monarchy is an outdated in situation that isn’t relevant in this day and age and might touch on the past racism and colonization. I would have said maybe a dig at Andrew but he and Meghan seem quite close to Eugenie

I hope he does try all those points. I dare him.

I doubt Harry will ever be critical of the monarchy as an institution - he's an ardent supporter of it.

Eugenie may be close to Harry, but when did she ever get the chance to become close to Meghan?

Harry doesn't know what he thinks. I'm sure Megz has often regaled him with the contents of anti-racist, "decolonizing" posts from someone else's Instagram and Harry's so stupid that he swallows it hook, line and sinker. On the other hand, he seems to believe that he's a special person who thinks he's entitled to everything he wants.

I think Harry needs a session with a BetterUp counselor.

Do they have any therapists that specialize in Born with Silver Spoon in Mouth Yet Still Feel the Need to Complain Relentlessly Syndrome?

If Eugenie thinks that Harry will spare her father because they’re “close” to Harry, she’s stupid. They are going to fling shit at EVERYONE. All the adults are complicit in their scenario. She’s wise to GTFO ASAP. The proverbial is about to hit the proverbial.

R409, they’ve been close ever since Meghan showcased her pregnancy “bump” at Eugenie’s wedding, of course.

If I were Eugenie, I would make a point of staying close to Meghan and Harry in the hope that they wouldn’t say anything too awful about my father.

R414, she’s earth that’s gonna get scorched when Meghan ignites the flamethrower. Eugenie doesn’t have anything she wants. Andrew doesn’t have anything she wants. They’re discarded. They’re skulls on the piles outside of their castle now.

If they are smart, they don't say one word about their stay in England. And they quickly find a cause in California that they really work at. It's the only way. They have to earn their own credibility. But I mean earn it. No more platitude statements. Or throw some money at it. Something that is exhausting yet very helpful.

Helping at the edge of a California fire - could be an example of what I mean. I know that sounds silly but something that takes physicality, for days. Those crews are exhausted, and hungry, Have not slept for days. Let Netflix do a documentary on that - but make it about the fire, not themselves. Maybe at the end of a documentary, they can talk about their experience trying to help the brave firefighters. Show her cooking in the wilderness, Harry putting out cots, and smokey faces. Transporting goods, water, etc. But they make the firefighters the heroes.

Any disaster. Not that I am hoping for one. But they need a huge show of selflessness.

Finally-they would hear welcome to California Harry and Meghan.

Impossible to not make it about them. There is scurrying around within Invictus, replacing a segment that Harry had influence in. He reneged on the IG/Amazon deal in favor of Netflux, and then made the games into The Harry and Wife Show. They have no sense.

Meghan should have given blood at the blood-donor site when she brought the sandwiches. Now that would be a real sacrifice. Something I doubt she's ever really done.

I thought I read they'd taken Invictus Games and put it under some other sort of management - away from Harry's control at all, other than a figurehead very occasionally.

No, he's still in it at the moment.

IF Eugenie is smart, and that's a big "if", her Plan B will be to run crying back to Grandma and Uncle Charles, if the Harkles say anything mean about her or her parents in their book.

Which is totally going to happen, as while Harry and Eugenie may be chums, Meg doesn't like other women and she doesn't seem to like Harry having friends, and well - there's no way that Meghan will spare the woman who got the emerald tiara she wanted for her wedding! So even if it's Harry's book, she'll find a way to talk him into betraying his cousin, and that will be the end of his last alliance with a royal family member. Eugenie may be on the outs right now because she supports cousin Harry, but if she changes sides and apologizes she'll be on her way back in.

R414 Why? It's not as though everyone on Earth isn't saying shit about him. If they spare Andy, that would just be weird. He's the only person less wanted in the UK than they are

Huge isn't going to end up any further "back in" than she is right now.

Isn't Sarah Ferguson living in the same house with Andrew, even though they're not back together other than as roommates?

I think I even read that she's visited with the Queen, who was always fond of Sarah - though Philip couldn't stand her. Now she's no longer persona non grata?

There are rumours floating about that no meeting took place between the Queen and the Sussex kids because the Queen refused to allow photographs of the event. The Sussexes then refused to bring the children.

There are also rumours floating about that the security services detected the recording devices both Sussexes were wearing and notified Charles. Charles then privately disinvited the Sussexes from the other events.

There are additional rumours that the reason Harry's memoir's pub date has been canceled is that even with the ghost writer, it is unsellable. It's been through several drafts but it's still terrible.

Much of these come from reddit types, so I have no idea how seriously to take them. I tend to discount the no kids came, they never met the Queen bit. I don't think the Palace would have allowed the Sussexes to get away with lying about that.

But the memoir rumour has more gravitas. And re the devices, word is that that's going to become public quite soon.

I dunno. I can believe anything about those two ham-fisted morons, but I have trouble believing the security services would confirm it publicly.

I can belive pretty much anything about H&M but I cannot believe they would be so fucking stupid as to wear recording devices . It boggles the mind.

The kid looks fine but she resembles the Markle side, the eyes, nose, mouth, with Harrys colouring.

Lilibet is a stupid name. Im sure they thought it was a cute way to honour the Queen but no grown professional woman will go by that name. Imagine going to a conference and Lilibet is on your name tag. Or email lilibet.windsor.markle@travalyst.com. I cant stop laughing when I hear it because it reminds me of how my Italian relatives say "a little bit".

R426, they made that claim that they had some secret wedding three days before their stupid Royal Wedding “for the public”, and implicated the Archbishop of Fucking Canterbury. Why on earth would someone do THAT? It was one of their completely refutable lies during one interview. She also lied to the Court in one of her many lawsuits. She flew in a private jet to Uvalde with the President of Archewell for photo ops and tried to get into the SCHOOL where children were gunned down. Did you see what she did at the Santa Barbara Polo Club?

They do inexplicable things. Especially her. Wearing a recording device is actually one of her more sane ideas.

And laughing/talking about the devices and patting them into place while sitting in St. Paul's Cathedral in front of caneras. They really wanted everyone to know about it, to get some chatter going.

r421 Can she be that close to Eugenie when she too alongside the rest of the royal family did not turn up for Lilibets birthday party ? The big no show by any royal rumour has it caused Meghan to fly into a rage and fly out of the UK early the next day?

I don't think H&M even brought their children to England when they went to the Jubilee

The best hope for those children is boarding school. Raised by others with a sense of community and distance from the toxic parents.

I know for a fact I saw a photo of MM wearing a wire at the Jubilee, but now cannot find it.

I was skeptical, but I everyone is saying that they were wearing a wire and now I am seeing memes. I am also starting to feel doubtful about whether the kids were even there or not. There was no mention of Archie and now there are rumors leaking that the Queen didn't even meet the Lilibet b/c H&M were using that as leverage for a photograph. Whispers are also coming out the Meghan's outfit to the church service was meant to conceal wires with the very high collar neck. This is also not the first time the Sussexes have recorded and taken photographs at gatherings, aside from the Charlotte/Amner Hall photos pre-wedding:

[quote] There already exists photos and video of them with the whole family from prior years. More would have been nice but not necessary. They need the photo w/ Lilibet and the Queen.

Hi! I'm M&H's private jet complete with my own bedroom! I can fly up to 6000 files, which comes in handy when you are flying 5500 miles from Windsor to Santa Barbara. Personally, with 2 children, staff, and security, I don't blame them for using me, but tut tutting others on their use is most unbecoming!

They also didn't turn up at the big family lunch after the Trooping the Colour. The story says they "didn't check their diary".

Right.

And it is rather awful that in all the Lilibetx2 bullshit, no one mentioned that the Queen and Charles also haven't seen Archie since he was 10 months old. Of the two kids, Archie is far more likely to be the one to be able to talk and engage and perhaps even remember the meeting. But it's as if he didn't exist

Look, if the Sussexes teally want their kids totally protected and out of th he limelight, I have no problem with that. But that doesn't jibe with milking specific photos for commercial gain.

When those kids start school and start moving around outside enclosures, what are the Sussexes going to do?

And why didn't that one birthday party shot include Archie? They've turned that poor kid into the first Mrs Rochester of the BRF.

[quote] When those kids start school and start moving around outside enclosures, what are the Sussexes going to do?

You're assuming that a total control freak like Megs is going to countenance allowing her children time-out away from her inquisitorial focus. Those kids will be homeschooled. Security concerns, don't you know. They are British royalty, and they need to know their heritage, which they won't learn in an American school, don't you know.

It doesn't make sense to me why Meghan and Harry didn't take the kids to the trooping, even though they had to remain behind the windows. There were clearly other children there - AND how could anybody be rude and snub them when one of them was holding a baby and the other had a little boy by the hand - a little boy who was old enough to feel hurt if everybody scurried away from him and didn't say hello and smile at him.

The kids could have been like a shield for them - to keep the snubbing and rudeness to a minimum. PLUS the family could have seen, met, interacted with the children - a step towards the family warming to the Harkles no matter how obnoxious the parents are. There must be residual feelings for Harry - esp with his father and the Queen.

Oh - and with the children - the luncheon wouldn't have been as difficult for the same reasons above. No decent person would be harsh with a child because they had a grudge against his or her parent.

R438 A narcissist must be in complete control of the narrative. How can Megs continue to whinge bitterly about her treatment by those "racist royals", if there is evidence to the contrary, including her own son piping up with "But Mommy, they were really nice to me".

OMG if that's true R440, it's really disturbing to me (as the child of a divorced mother who was furious at her ex and thus kept me from my whole paternal family - and as an only child, I needed family!!) Never even met my father and two half-sisters till I was 20.

I guess that's why this bothers me so much. It's practically child abuse -- especially since she's doing the SAME thing with her family - so those kids will have no connection to anybody except that lunatic narcissist and whatever the hell Harry is - narcissist, co-dependent, addict - he's got some kind of deficiency.

Maybe Doria's around. I guess if she never disagrees with Meghan, she'll be allowed to stay in the picture -- but I wouldn't count on it. Narcissists will drop you like a hot potato if you so much as suggest you don't want to do what they tell you to do one day.

R441 Doria is even less interested in her grandchildren than she was in her daughter. One of the principle reasons for Megs narcissism. I'm well acquainted with parental abuse/neglect and people who should never have had children. I do not envy the life of either of those children.

Oh I forgot the Doria story - something about her being a hippy who deserted the family and daddy Thomas basically raised Meghan on his own?

Oy vey. And they don't have a multi-billionaire dad like Amber Heard's poor child. At least I hope it's Elon's. At least the child can sue for quite decent child support some day, regardless of whatever agreement he signed. He fricking agreed to father the child (if it's true), so he's got a responsibiilty, especially considering his means.

The royal family does too, doesn't it? Can they let the Queen's great-grandchildren be left adrift with nothing?

R443 Think about it. A little girl barely a year old. A little boy, what 3? Mother a raging narcissist and controller. Father, an emotional cripple. What kind of future do those kids have? Really?

I expect there will be something for the kids, via Charles rather than the Queen, in the form of unassailable trusts H&M can't get at.

R438. I agree with your theory about the children plus the Harkles could have put such a positive spin on their Jubilee experience that their stock would have been raised with most people. But they’re transactional people (as well as contentious, emotional black holes) and those 2 children are absolutely transactional objects. To me it’s very sad, especially for those 2 kids. I can only hope their nannies can provide love and emotional stability for them, otherwise they are lost.

Meghan has a history of cutting and running when she's gotten what she's wanted or if someone is no longer of any use (divorcing her husband of 18 months after he got her Suits, dropping her father after he funded her whole life, Megxit after only 2 years in the RF). If Harry and those kids are of no used to her because their connection with the royal family is tenuous and she only gets bad press being compared to Catherine, she's gonna get restless for a reinvention. But where can she even go from here?

^ MidEast, like Lohan. Her snatch has the extra cachet of having housed a Windsor. She will also have to accept the other stuff they like to do, as in sh*t on their tricks of note.

R447 - This time, I think Meghan has boxed herself in. She's going nowhere if she ditches Harry and that title. She's 41 in August, she's got two kids, she's been marginalised by the only entity that gave her any cachet. She has failed to garner any of her own beyond that.

Meghan and Harry are the poster illustrations of cutting off noses to spite faces.

I don't think she has anywhere left to go with the Netflix and Spotify failures except, possibly, a divorce with enough of a settlement to ensure she at least never has to earn a living again, although I can picture her waiting a couple of years and doing what we've all predicted she would do sooner or later: develop a makeup or jewellery line and head for QVC.

That face is unfortunate. Jeesass fuck.

Dora has been flying under the radar and getting a free pass from the start of this freak show. What a sweet deal for her!

Allegedly she was a member of the Agape Spiritual Center that Oprah is connected to. The child abandonment may be partially a result of full devotion to the "church"?

The alleged jail stint was white collar crime. Allegedly tax problems for a travel agency Thomas gave her the money to start?

Wow the DL is fulla fraus today emoting about the chilllldren. It's to the Harkles' credit that at least they didn't stoop to physically using them as shields at the Jubilee. The children did not appear to be in the UK, there was no photo session with the Queen, and there wasn't a stupid 1yo birthday party.

Every move the Garkles made was cold and calculated, and strictly Kabuki theater for Netflix. Not much was a surprise to them, except the spontaneous booing.

The Doria in jail rumor is such easily disproved bullshit. Prison records are public, and prisons are full of people. You don't think the Mail would've posted her mugshots and an interview: "I shared a cell with Duchess Meghan's Mother!"

Plus, do you really think Samantha, who like her sister has never met a camera or microphone she didn't like, wouldn't have spilled all the dirt?

Reality folks...come on.

The stories about Doria being in jail and being addicted to marijuana are all just racist talk. There's no truth to them at all.

[quote]The stories about Doria being in jail and being addicted to marijuana are all just racist talk.

Being accused of white collar tax evasion crimes is NOT RACIST.

This proves my point exactly, Doria is UNTOUCHABLE.

She can not be criticized in any way shape or form as it will be deemed racist. That's why DM and others don't even bother to speculate or report on her, they will be accused of being racist even if it's a white collar crime or the same kind of speculation everyone else gets. If D.M. even did one of their usual photos where they catch someone looking a hot mess and caption it "looking casual and comfortable" they would be called racist if they did that to Doria.

If it's true about the tax problems or the cult church, maybe Thomas hasn't blabbed about it because his hands weren't clean in the tax matter either as he funded the supposed company. Or maybe he was glad she joined a cult so he had custody of his daughter and didn't have to pay child support. Or maybe he's holding that as his trump card for the future. He hasn't spoken up about Rachel's alleged annulled marriage either and he would know about that. As for Samantha, who knows? Maybe she was already living in Florida then and they kept the real reason from her. Maybe they were going through one of their many estrangements at the time. Or maybe that's her future trump card too. Everyone holds onto to a little tidbit in these type of feuds for future use.

It's been speculated she's lesbian but no one has touched that either because that too will be racist. If Thomas was gay the tabloids would be all over it.

Bottom line, whatever the reason for her absence for a big chunk of Raging Rachel's life, if she were white the tabloids, the books, the youtubers, etc. would be all over it and never let up. If Thomas had been the one to be absent, again the media would be all over it. But no one can question Doria's absence because that's racist?

I guess people are just trying to work out why Doria couldn't be bothered to raise her only child herself r454 and speculating that it was for reasons beyond Doria's control, rather than simply her own choice to abandon her child.

Maybe Doria just thought that Thomas could provide better, left Meghan with him, and lived her own life. Meghan, despite using her mother as a press prop, clearly has a relationship with Doria.

I think it's very cruel to bring up the past. Awful. Dig up the past, I think, is about the most cruel thing anybody can do. 'Cause you always find some awful blot, you know? Or something that will embarrass someone.

"She can not be criticized in any way shape or form as it will be deemed racist. That's why DM and others don't even bother to speculate or report on her,"

Or maybe because she's a private citizen who isn't rich and who isn't a famewhore, she's just an ordinary schmoe who happens to be caught up in a famewhore relative's ongoing trainwreck and who isn't profiting from it, and who isn't out there seeking interviews and creating drama. And who has probably been made unemployable because of someone else's drama.

I don't buy any of that stuff about Doria being in prison, there isn't a shred of proof.

But I do think that her fairly obvious abdication of a primary role in her daughter's life is legitimately questionable. A mother leaving always has a strange psychological effect on young children. And it's doubly disturbing because what it says is that Doria not getting too close to Meghan is what allowed the relationship to survive. Poor Thomas Markle, who had primary responsibility for so long, adored the child, spoit her, knocked himself out for her . . . is the one Meghan ditched the moment she began dating royalty.

Meghan probably knew her black mother would "play" better with Harry's view of Meghan; the fat old loose-lipped white guy was less on brand. So the parent who seemed, frankly, indifferent to her daughter was resurrected, and the parent who tried so hard was kicked to the kerb.

I think Doria has always known who her daughter was, and although it may not have been the primary reason Doria chose to pursue her own life and leave Meghan to her ex-husband, the lack of closeness between them had to be one component of the decision. Doria, perhaps, was wise to keep her distance from her daughter. I wonder if Doria likes Meghan any better than so many others do - which is to say, not terribly much. Doria obliged by allowing herself to be trotted out at suitable intervals, but really seems to be continuing not to "need" Meghan in her life, any more than she used to.

I think that is a rather sad scenario, although not as sad as adoring, bewildered Thomas', wondering where the child he adored and busted his arse for went - he must have known something was up when she never so much as introduced her serious royal beau to him.

The Markles make the Windsors look like Happy Families.

[quote] laughing/talking about the devices and patting them into place while sitting in St. Paul's Cathedral in front of caneras

Now we know why she wore that big fat tent-like coat.

Meghan, you are such a mastermind. MI-6 is calling. Pick up your sleeve.

There is no way Doria being in jail wouldn’t have been uncovered, unless multiple sources were paid off. Nobody really knows the relationship between Doria and Meghan. I read a story that she visited Meghan in Toronto and thank the neighbor for looking out for her. I think Doria has conducted herself quite well. The same can’t be said about the Markles, including dad. Unfortunately, Meghan turned out to be just like them.

Yes, speculation about Doria having spent time in jail and/or Meghan ever yacht girling is fiction at best and racism at worst. There's never been an ounce of proof of any of that - nor does there have to be because handily Meghan is a whole piece of work without any actual criminal behaviour necessary.

I agree with R446 regarding transactional people and the children being transactional objects. That's why they weren't at Trooping, because Meghan and Harry are hoarding them, the way paranoid control freaks do, and others - especially others from Harry's evil, racist family - will not be allowed to lay eyes upon the golden children until and unless they apologize for the evil racism and beg forgiveness.

I also agree with those saying those kids are likely doomed without a long-term and loving, devoted nanny. It's an 'if you know, you know' situation with the Harkles and their kids. Either you understand what parents like this wreak or you don't. Money may insulate them to some extent, perhaps education, hopefully the aforementioned nanny, but parents like that, parents who don't see their kids as full, individual humans, damage them in ways that are very difficult to spend yourself out of as an adult. The very first thing they did upon their daughter's birth was use her naming as a tool in their war against his family. Not a good sign. Then her first birthday photos were published in tabloids and on social media for PR purposes.

She isolated Harry from his family and friends (and he let her do it), and now her kids are starting out in life with, at best, a single family member from either side in their lives. And who knows what Doria is really like, because she hasn't given away any of herself to the media. The bad news is you generally don't end up like Meghan without being failed by both parents, so I'm not hopeful Doria will be what those kids need.

[quote]Or maybe because she's a private citizen who isn't rich and who isn't a famewhore, she's just an ordinary schmoe who happens to be caught up in a famewhore relative's ongoing trainwreck and who isn't profiting from it, and who isn't out there seeking interviews and creating drama. And who has probably been made unemployable because of someone else's drama.

Hey pr intern @ r459, she's not unemployed or poor. Meghan got her a job as CEO of some shady senior citizen home health staffing agency at a six figure salary. Her credentials were questioned when she got the job. That's when the rumblings she didn't even have a Social Workers license started which fed the having a criminal record rumors. I'm sure her job is in name only though, like halfwit Harry's Chief Impact Officer job.

Also, plenty of people who aren't famewhores are chased by the tabloids and entertainment shows, they just don't chase her because they will be called racist.

How is questions about "yachting" considered racist? The vast majority of those who do are white.

It's not necessarily racism, but the automatic lean towards criminality when it comes to trying to explain the life/background of a black woman is iffy af.

Meghan was with her dad for years. IF Doria had been in prison - and I don’t think she was - would stint for tax evasion at a travel agency be for THAT long! A year or two? How much could she have stolen - allegedly?!

I think she was ensconced in a cultish church that demanded all of her and she abandoned her daughter because she knew Thomas would be a good dad.

R446, your statement is discriminatory. It draws a line between black women and women of other races.

Why would you say that? ARE black women more likely to be criminals?

I didn't see your post before I posted, R460, but I agree with most of it. The most likely explanation of Doria for me is that she discovered, after having her first child very young and never having another, that she wasn't cut out for motherhood and/or didn't enjoy it. Which is very common - more common than many people think. Her leaving Meghan to be raised by Thomas probably fucked M up. You don't have to disappear off the face of the earth for very young child to feel abandoned, and probably like they did something to cause it.

Doria doesn't get followed by the media anymore because she never engaged with them. Remember when we were seeing photos of her walking her dogs, unloading groceries etc.? She never said anything, never engaged, never played along the way Thomas did. She was and is just a regular person doing regular things and when the tabloids accepted there was nothing scandalous or liable to attract clicks there, they stopped. It doesn't make her a good person, it just makes her uninteresting in a gossip way.

If anyone has proof of shadiness with Doria, link it. If not, don't get mad when people don't believe it. I've been called a Klan Granny loads of time on these threads and am a confirmed Harkle skeptic. But there's never been ANYTHING reliable to indicate Doria is/was shady.

R469 is me, R463 - meant to sign it.

[quote]your statement is discriminatory.

How? Spell it out. And let me quote myself: "It's not necessarily racism." Literally the first sentence. I acknowledged it might not be racism. I can't know what's in your heart.

[quote]ARE black women more likely to be criminals?

I have no idea. I don't think that's the case in my country (which is not the US). But I do know it's a standard racist trope to assume criminality in black people, especially when there is zero evidence of it, and I've always thought it was a bad look for the Salts (and I am one) to assume it in Doria's case.

[quote]It's not necessarily racism, but the automatic lean towards criminality when it comes to trying to explain the life/background of a black woman is iffy af.

Again, speculation about WHITE COLLAR tax crimes is not racist or feeding a stereotype of any sort. If anything, it's a rich white guy stereotype. I'm not saying it's true, just saying tax problems with a business isn't a race issue.

The Agape cult church could also be the reason. Is speculating someone was/is a crazy cult member racist too?

If Doria were ever in prison, it would be uncovered by now. And if Meghan were being raised by her mother for a good chunk of her life instead of her father, no one would question the father. Some of you guys sound like Q Anoners— just because you want to drama doesn’t make it so. I don’t think these people are that mysterious or interesting.

How racists think:

"I don't know everything about a black woman's past, there's a period of several years where I have no information... therefore I assume she was in jail, when I would not make the same assumption about a random white person!"

[Gets called on shit]

"But, uh, for a white-collar crime. Because I'm not racist."

Trying to derail and shut down the thread with shouts of racism, are we?

[quote]"But, uh, for a white-collar crime. Because I'm not racist."

Spin and contort all you want r474 but there is nothing racist about questioning why a mother was absent from her daughter's life and gets a free pass from the media. Most especially in this case since the daughter turned out so damaged.

Your need to make everything about race speaks to you having issues older and deeper than anything I have said.

Now my dinner is ready, so BYE!

[quote] I think she was ensconced in a cultish church that demanded all of her and she abandoned her daughter because she knew Thomas would be a good dad.

I know it was mentioned somewhere but I can't find it - someone said the cult that Doria was allegedly part of had something to do with Oprah Winfrey?

So Oprah may have been sort of a family friend before that interview? Wonder if there will be a Part 2. I know Oprah may have felt burned by some of the negative reaction to the first one, but after the jubbly there are SO many juicy details (and juicy lies) that the Harkles could spout - and I would think Oprah's brain would be going ching$ ching$ ching$

They were ignored. They have nothing juicy.

[quote] Doria is even less interested in her grandchildren than she was in her daughter. One of the principle reasons for Megs narcissism.

Doria is a free spirit who likes to dance, do yoga, and go where the wind goes. Doria was not interested in being a full time mother to Meghan, according to Tina Brown's book. I think Doria is untouchable not b/c of race (although that helps) but like they always say about Kate, since Doria has become royal adj., she has not put a foot wrong. Doria clearly does not want to hang with Meghan or the Royals. She showed up for her photo ops dressed impeccably, like OG Kate back in the day, I don't even know what Doria's voice sounds like, and she has kept her mouth shut. She is not Michelle Obama's mother. Doria looks fantastic, she's prettier Meghan is, has a better body at age 60+ and she is completely under the radar. I don't buy Doria living in Monetcito, being super gran. Doria's living her best life, which seems like she's always done, back at her house in Baldwin Hills in LA.

I think Doria was really young when she had Meghan, Thomas was quite a bit older so it seems like Doria spent time time finding herself after the divorce and Thomas had a house, steady job, etc. so he was the logical parent to step up and assume full custody for a few of those years. Nothing more sinister than that. And, to be fair to Meghan, she fully expected and wanted her father to give her away. His name was on the program and he had a new wardrobe waiting for him in London (wedding suit paid for but never picked up) Then he decided to earn some extra money on the side, his agreement with photographers blew up and …well, TMZ became his method of communicating with his daughter. I’m not a fan of MM, but I do feel sorry for her in this area because I do think she was really hurt by his behavior in the run up to her wedding and since.

For a person like MM to act all offended by Thomas' brief association with the Pap photographer is another example of her hypocrisy.

MM calls the paps herself. In fact, the agency that did the pictures of Tom was an agency that MM uses herself.

MM's faux outrage at her father about a few harmless photos is hogwash. She was looking for an excuse to keep him away from the wedding.

If MM's father had been the black parent and her mother had been the white yoga teacher parent, you can be sure that her father would have walked her down the aisle.

R481 Even after his working with the paparazzi was exposed, Meghan and Harry both pleaded with him to come to the wedding. I believe, at this point, their motivation was to move past it and get him on a plane. For whatever reason, his health, embarrassment, etc. he stopped communicating with them. I am not a fan of Meghan, but I don’t think she was looking for an excuse to keep her father away from the wedding.

I can't stand Meghan - but it's a fond memory for me of watching Charles walk Meghan down the aisle - the man who wanted a daughter so much that he couldn't help but be disappointed when Harry was born (not that I think he held it against him, but he really wanted that girl).

How sad that she turned out to be a succubus.

Yes, r456, you're all doing Doria a favor by pretending she was in jail, rather than just a bad mom who abandoned her children.

R455 no one with Markle DNA is capable of holding a trump card. They are allergic to long term planning. Meghan, Dad, Sam. It’s the defining family trait.

When you think about how dumb Megsy is, it's kind of amazing she's gotten as far as she has. But what lies ahead? Well, never underestimate a soulless heartless grifter I guess. They're completely unencumbered by the guilt, shame, embarrassment that plague the rest of us. Anything bad happens? BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE. Smile, and sashay away...

There's nothing racist about being an opportunistic whore.

[quote] I think Doria was really young when she had Meghan, Thomas was quite a bit older so it seems like Doria spent time time finding herself

Doria Ragland is the product of a family mired in divorce, distance and abandonment. Both of her parents had multiple divorces. Doria was 25 when Meg was born in 1981. Hardly “quite young”. Tom was 36 and a successful Hollywood director of lighting and photography. Coming from a family where moving on was the principle problem-solving tool, Doria became an opportunist, and when the opportunity no longer suited, she moved on, excising from her life those myriad jobs and people she left behind. Characterizing her as a “free spirit” and a “hippie” is the media’s racist hands-off approach/attitude. The little that has been reported about Doria is largely PR spin. Such as the assertion that with her first earnings from Suits, Megs paid her mother’s university expenses to obtain a social work degree. Given her very public behavior to date, I can’t imagine Megs behaving altruistically toward anyone, especially the woman who abandoned her, except as a “debt” to be later redeemed.

Even the most cursory glance at Doria’s life reveals that she is the behavioral bible that Megs follows religiously in her own life. That not only does the apple not fall far from the tree, in this instance, the apple IS the tree.

It’s not that no one wants to know about Doria. It’s that no one dares to ask.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but I don’t put it past the Sussexes that they were mic’d up. At the 48:37 mark, Sophie bows her head and you get a clear view of Meghan’s collar. It has some weird white card sticking out of it. For an haute couture Dior coat, it’s highly unlikely that’s a visible collar stay ir defect. Just what could it be?

r482 Where are you getting this spin about them pleading with him to come to the wedding? Sounds as credible as the PR splurge pre jubilee that William and Harry facetimed online and William thinks Meghan is a good mother.

And now Doria is the CEO of Loving Kindness Senior Care in Beverly Hills.

Such a free-spirited hippie.

R489, it’s mic tape to hold the lavalier in place. There are several video clips where she’s fussing with it. Also Harry seemed to be concealing something in his waistcoat and checking it frequently.

Of course they were recording whatever they could.

Meanwhile, how do you think they’d react if her hairdresser had secretly recorded their interactions? Ha.

[quote] And now Doria is the CEO of Loving Kindness Senior Care in Beverly Hills.

R491 Which only exists in Doria's mind. A front and a delusion Exactly like her daughter's gradiose "foundations" and "charities"; fronts with no substance or reality. The more you bother to learn about Doria, the more you realize just where Megs inherited her grifting, delusional behavior.

Scroll down at link.

I can't imagine what was going through the Royal Family's collective minds when they approved the match between Harry and Meghan. Two minutes Googling will tell you all you need to know about two women who've led almost identical lives of abandonment, opportunism, grifting, and lying. And are given a pass by everyone due to their skin color. Racism at its most appalling and hypocritical.

R493, thank you for that. I knew it was a grift, but I was thinking Medicare fraud, not an empty shell. Fucking Doria. I always see these comments: “Doria is dignified and gracious” “Why are you picking on her? She’s a private person who deserves to be private. She’s given us no reason to look at her, unlike Thomas”

I do agree that Doria tries to keep a low profile, which is smart of her. She’s not calling attention to her grift, unlike her attention-seeking daughter.

Dippy lazy Doria quit her job right before the wedding and is now CEO of Loving Kindness Senior Care a cash only company with $9 million in assets. From yoga teacher to $9 million. No, not shady at all. 😑

[quote] I do agree that Doria tries to keep a low profile

Doria has 9 million reasons to "be dignified and gracious" and to "keep a low profile".

A bit of respect to Dorian, bitches, because... she is the one person involved in this train wreck who's never made an ass out of themselves in public.

[quote] A bit of respect to Dorian . . . she is the one person involved in this train wreck who's never made an ass out of themselves in public.

She's got 9 million reasons not to.

The Queen had no choice other than to give the union a chance due to the race issue.

The family probably all had their fingers crossed behind their backs that it would turn out better than omens suggested.

In the event, it turned out worse.

With any luck, the messages of the Jubly will persuade the Harkles that Britain is closed to them, and stay away.

It will have taken a while to get here, but at least the family can see that the two are gone for good, to lie in the bed the two morons made for themselves.

And the BRF can just get on with the job.

That is, if Charles can learn to keep his mouth shut.

"She's got 9 million reasons not to."

And how many tens of millions of reasons did Harry have not to make an ass of himself?

Probably hundreds of millions of reasons not to make an ass of himself, considering the value of royal freebies and the wills of various family members, yet he's made making an ass of himself into a career.

r496 white people have retained family wealth by doing things just like this for centuries but you have a problem with this you fucking racist moron.

[quote]The more you bother to learn about Doria, the more you realize just where Megs inherited her grifting, delusional behavior.

Just imitating the greatest hits they learned from watching white folks.

Wow, all this discussion of Meaghan's family dysfunction actually makes me feel worse for her and have more empathy for her.

You're ruining my snarking!

[quote] And how many tens of millions of reasons did Harry have

R501 completely misses the point. Doria is an opportunist and a grifter. Bribes, in this case from her own daughter, buy her silence. Harry is has mental and emotion issues that money will nor repair or alleviate.

R502 R503 You're apologizing/deflecting away from the assertions due to your paternalizing racism.

Doria has never been lazy. What kind of stereotype racist bs is this? She’s been in the health care support field for ages, and did yoga on the side. She’s a business woman, all of a sudden something’s wrong with that? And if she used connections to build her business, what’s wrong with that as well? We all do the same thing.

[quote] questioning why a mother was absent from her daughter's life and gets a free pass from the media.

What business is it of ours why Doria was “absent”?

I seem to recall it was because Thomas’ home was closer to Meghan’s school. Especially in LA, that’s no small consideration.

Meghan is a middle-aged woman. Don’t excuse her bad behavior by blaming it on her mommy.

Doria and Meg are twin flame grifting cunts.

If Doria was a grifter that DM would be writing about it.

R490 It was in the text messages from Harry and Meghan to her dad in the days before the wedding. The texts were published as part of evidence in her court case.

R490 This is the article about the suit Harry and Meghan ordered for Tom Markle that was never picked up

Yes, Doria might be a grifter and god knows what else, but why I like Doria, she keeps it on the DL. She doesn't make a spectacle of herself.

"You're apologizing/deflecting away from the assertions due to your paternalizing racism."

No, we just don't share your obsession with her, you're on your own with that one.

To the rest of us, she's the one person involved who doesn't famewhore or make an ass of herself in public, and who is therefore totally lacking in snarkability. We're here for the laughs, dude, and but you're out there acting like you're investigating a Cold Case or something.

The Queen spent just 15 minutes with Harry, Meghan and the Kids during their UK visit.

I saw that R514 - and I wondered if there will be another "general" thread on Harry and Meghan (or the Jubilee) - the last thread is full - linked below, if anybody wants to start a new one.

From the article above: "It is claimed the couple only secured a 15-minute meeting with the Queen over the four-day Jubilee celebrations last weekend, with senior royal aides reportedly describing the tone as 'formal'. The Mail on Sunday understands that concerns remain within the Palace that any return to public life would be badly received and that the Queen will not reverse her decision to ban Andrew from official duties."

How can you have a "formal" meeting with a child Archie's age? Or was it just Lilibet - or no children at all?

Doria's name on a corporate registration form does not make her a “businesswoman”. It makes her the front for yet another grift, a dodgey financial repository for which she is the principle beneficiary, to keep her mouth shut and on side. Those 9 million reasons why she is as yet not a “famewhore or make an ass of herself in public”.

Children, siblings, parents and partners of “the famous” are regularly objects of media interest/scrutiny. No one should be above/beyond the public interest/scrutiny, nor should skin color place them so.

Understanding the motivations of the “apple” means looking closely at the “tree” as well.

We?? Uh, no. Just I. Unless you’re QEII.

Are you dim, r515? The meeting with the formal tone was with Harry and Meghan.

Who knew that the exterior of Froggie cottage was so "tastefully" decorated?

R517 - so the Queen did not meet Lilibet nor see Archie?

Wrong r506. She didn't even work a year in that field she's only a recent graduate, well before the wedding she was. She has no long term proveable work history. Just bankruptcy and failed businesses that others paid to get off the ground. Meghan is very much like her.

Excellent catch by the Twiterai at R518. It's now possible to give far more credence to the claims that Ginger Megs kids were never in England and that claims of their daughter meeting great-gramma the Queen as well as the "casual picnic" at Toad Hall for their daughter's birthday were products of delusional PR rather than reality.

(I knew when Megs used the word "casual" she was lying)

OMG! 15 minutes with the Queen - it looks like there are zero pictures from Lilibet's "party" (looks like there wasn't one?)

How can they promulgate these lies?? Surely that guy wouldn't tweet the Lilibet picture on the grass on the Monday after the Jubilee without Meghan's permission - seeiing how she's so litigious and rageful.

These people are imploding!

Just because I want to keep a general sort of Harkle thread going I started a new thread.

Apologies if this is bad form - I almost NEVER start threads. I think this is my third one in 20 years.

But taking my cue from Meghan, I'll shamelessly hawk it here anyway. The link (and remember to be an eco-warrior and only take private jets to Europe when absolutely called for!)

R523 The outraged DLers brandishing torches and pitchforks will be at your front door shortly.

I know! I guess I should say my goodbyes before I'm F&Fed away for good and all.

But I love my Meghan gossip - Queen Nemeses like this don't come along often!! And just as Miss Heard is riding off in the sunset to her desert hacienda to be a stay at home mom.

I'm not entirely convinced that Archie and Lilibet didn't even come to the UK (although I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't) then it's even more twisted that Meghan ordered a London cakemaker to make a cake for Lilibet's birthday. This cakemaker isn't even close to Frogmore.

If the tweet at r518 is true then the Harkles still shipped that outdoor chair and probably table from Toronto to Montecito.

Poor Lilibet.

This reminds me of a very Meghanesque socialite I knew. Actually, I knew the children better. And they were FUCKED UP. In a conversation which haunts me to this day, I reassured the daughter “I promise you; your mother loves you.” She looked doubtful, and was probably right. I was coming from a world in which parents unconditionally love their children. This poor kid was on another planet, where they don’t. And every interaction with other humans is a big fat transaction in which, if you don’t get something from them, you have failed and should cease to exist.

I doubt the garden in Montecito is as big and green as the one shown here - the Frogmore garden is more likely to be like this - but there's definitely something a bit off about these "official" photos of Lilibet's birthday. She doesn't even appear to be wearing the same dress in the two pics. Why is the second photo - supposedly from Frogmore - in black and white? It's almost as though they're trying to hide something (e.g the colour of Lilibet's dress). If all these photos are from the alleged party at Frogmore, I wouldn't be surprised if this family were the only guests.

It was not as sunny in the south of England last Saturday as it was in the third photo.

They’ll be giving us years and years of shenanigans to come. If there weren’t innocent kids involved, I would enjoy it wholeheartedly.

Since when is the Sun a reliable source? It is believed/a high ranking official said/it was alleged...

To clarify my thoughts at r529, the three photos posted by Misan Harriman on his Instagram account as supposedly being from Lilibet's first birthday party appear to actually be from two different occasions - the first photo could (but not necessarily) be from a birthday party at Frogmore last Saturday, but the other two photos seem to be taken on another occasion. Aside from the fact that Lilibet is wearing different clothes in the first and second photos, her hair also seems longer in the first photo (check out the fringe, especially at the parting). I wouldn't be surprised if the last two photos were from a trip that the Harrimans made to California, where the garden seat that was formerly in Toronto is now to be found (see r 518).

Looking at that Instagram post and the three pictures, I guess he never says he celebrated Lilibet's first birthday "at Frogmore."

So... wtf? H&M must have had a birthday party at Montecito before they went to England - and... either never took their children in the first place but planned for this guy to post the pictures as though they did? but she's got a bit of deniability because, as far as I know, only reporters/rags have ever mentioned there being a birthday party at all.

Or, as some are claiming, there was a party but nobody showed up? Despite reports about the Tindall kids - but again, I don't think H&M or anybody else have actually issued any statements or media posts saying they were there.

Smoke and mirrors... why not just tell the truth?

[quote] ...why not just tell the truth?

When questioned about the conflicting stories about the M&H sideshow during the Jubilee, Lady C warned that the pair liked to use their PR to confuse and disrupt by having conflicting stories come out. Then they can claim they are being lied about when the false PR tales are reported.

Story time as far as the Royals are concerned is just about over.

The only thing to suggest that Lilibet was in the UK is that a cake was made for her first birthday in East London (which would then have had to travel up to Frogmore Cottage for this apparent birthday party). The cake might never even have gone anywhere near Lilibet and it was just made for show and to trick. Nothing would surprise me about this dodgy duo.

But the cake proves that either Lilibet was there - or they're trying to fool people that she was there - right?

(I'm assuming the cake was ordered by H&M -- who else could give the details on what kind of cake they wanted and what they wanted on the cake - lettering or a candle, etc. And being from California, you know, does it have gluten? real sugar? etc etc. Nobody but the actually parents could order that cake - well, that's what I think)

Who knows, r536? The cake could be proof that Lilibet was actually in the UK - although not necessarily in Frogmore Cottage. Or it could simply be some stupid trick to deceive us.

Another possibility is that the Harkles had planned a birthday party for Lilibet in the UK but left early in a huff because they felt snubbed - as evidenced by the private flight and missing the pageant.

The black and white photo is from Frogmore, or another British house. The clue is the radiators in the background. No way would their California house be old enough to have radiators. The decor as well looks like old British parlor decor.

[quote] The only thing to suggest that Lilibet was in the UK is that a cake was made for her first birthday in East London

Take a look at the image of the cake in R526. As someone sagely posted, flowers on a cake for a one year old???? Shouldn't the decoration be baby appropriate?

Just as the the black photog's post was an illusion for PR, I'm betting the cakemaker's post is equally a crock and a ruse. The kids were never in England.

Interesting points, R538, but one of the youtube people - Body Language Guy - studied Meghan's face - sort of superimposed the photos of her face from St Paul's and that cottage photo, and they were so different that either it was photoshopped or taken at a different time. Either way, if he's right, there's a ruse going on.

Photoshop the photo and you can put a background that looks like an English cottage - I mean, they lived at Frogmore, and probably have photos from there so they can exactly simulate it by manipulating the image.

That seems most likely if, as you say, it's clearly British. Someone mentioned the metal on the patio furniture is from Toronto and I first thought - well, they might have radiators like that in California - but did they even live in Toronto - wasn't it British Columbia? Still, you could have radiators there

This is getting crazy lol. We're being conned. But then, most everything about Meghan is a con, it seems. Not least, the setting up and nabbing of a British prince to marry and have royal kids with - she's set for life. If she doesn't fuck it up (but that's a huge if with Meghan)

*they might have radiators like that in Toronto...

I do not know why people continue to put credence into stories put out by the tabloids who know perfectly well the Palace will decline to comment on something so persona.

No one close to the top senior royals would leak anything of the kind. If they did so, they'd be out like a greased stiletto pump on a banana peel.

That said, it's hardly likely that a 96 year old woman with a bad back, mobility issues, clinging on to life with her fingernails would have much energy or ability to engage with, let alone cuddle, a four year old and a one year old.

And, everyone seems to be shocked, SHOCKED! that after what those two did to the family, the Queen personally, and the institution on Oprah, all would suddenly be forgiven and forgotten.

Harry and Meghan got an invite to send a signal that they were still undeniably part of the family. That doesn't mean that the family is obliged to pretend it wasn't horrified by what the Sussexes did after being generously trusted and welcomed by the Queen, who gave them that Sussex title after they assured her they intended to honour their commitment to the monarchy through it.

The pair have behaved atrociously. They are being treated appropriately by people they betrayed and kicked in the teeth.

If they want back in, and in their shoes I'd be feeling a bit nostalgic about how easy it all seems in the rearview mirror compared with dealing with Netflix and Spotify execs and publishers who actually expect high-level commitment for their money, they should have behaved differently. Not just after bailing, but from the beginning.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

[quote] Bon apetit, Sussexes

Quelle horreur!! a p p e t i t

R538, this is from a photo in the garden of Meghan's house in Toronto in her pre-Harry days. It's the same garden seat as the one Misan Harriman is sitting on in the third photo of his Instagram photos supposedly taken on Lilbet's birthday. It's taken on the same day as the second photo, the black and white photo of Meghan, Lilibet and Harriman's wife and kids, as his elder daughter is wearing the same dress and face paint. This is the photo with the house interior showing the radiator.

I'm tempted to ask why Harriman's daughters are wearing face paint, it all seems so contrived for a one year old's party, especially when Lilbet herself is spotless.

Whatever's going on, my feeling is that Harriman's second and third photos were taken at a different time from the first photo of Lilibet without any legs. I can believe that the first photo is from her birthday but the other two are from another occasion, place unknown (third photo looks much sunnier than England last weekend).

[quote] studied Meghan's face - sort of superimposed the photos of her face from St Paul's and that cottage photo, and they were so different that either it was photoshopped or taken at a different time.

Different time. Megs is younger and thinner in the black/white photo. And I don't know who the little girl is that she's holding, but it's NOT her daughter. The hair of the little girl that she's holding is much longer than in the "official" birthday color image, and she's older than one year.

Another con/crock/ruse.

The cake PROVES that the spawn was there? If you say so.

The chair is the same, but the background is different. They prob brought the chair with them to Montecito. They haven’t lived in Canada for a few years. I guess I’m not seeing why people think they’re photoshopping stuff from a few years ago.

R543 Je suis désolée

R542

Ah H&M ,the gift that keeps on giving ! In a world gone mad,they are a never ending source of delight ! Keep iyt up H&M ,we are here for it !

My question in all of this - WHERE IS ARCHIE???? How come nothing is mentioned about Archie? He was born in England, christened at Windsor with the big royal family photo (complete w/ Williams amazing posturing and Kate's seating/outfit), and is closer to the throne. There is no mention of him meeting the Queen. Since archie can run, play, speak and is around Louis' age, you would think there would be mention of him running around with the cousins, etc in the background. I've seen thinks like "Queen met w/ Lilibet & PRESUMABLY Archie). I very much question whether the kids were there at al but maybe they did leave Archie a home. A 1-year old w/ nanny is probably easier to deal with than an active 3/4 year old who will want to be with the family.

I meant reunited as in meeting the Queen. Archie had the money photo with not only the Queen, but Philip and Doria. I mean, aside from the lame name, if I were an exploitative parent, isn't Archie the one they should be serving to Netflix on a platter. I think the name Lilibet just conjures ill will and she was born during the low of their popularity vs. Archie.

Most of this tinfoil hat shit is tiring, but then again . . .

Given Meghan Markle's uncontrollable penchant for blithely lying and figuring she'll never get caught . . .

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Why would you link another Maul fluff piece that majes you yawn?

Hasnt she been 40 for like 5 years now?

R553 what is it with Meghan and black and white photos? Easier to photoshop? Interesting that she's highlighting herself ... divorce coming?

R553 Funny how her private engagements always include a photographer.........

What is a private engagement anyway?

A private engagement from April, private apart from being accompanied by a photographer, with the pictures released on the same day as the Order of the Garter ceremony.

She’s beyond transparent.

Every day she has a new stunt. This is what she does.

She wants it so badly.

But, like the gift that keeps giving she always steps in it. She also had to do the E.E. Cummings plagiarism. She couldn't stop trying to polish that turd. Always gets her. Now that group she sent it to, has to apologize. And she says...Crickets, crickets.No comment on the group having to do her clean up. Bet, they'll jump to rally to her side again.

R562, explain and expand?

The radiator in the b/w photo is a tell that it may have been taken in the UK, but I wonder if it is Frogmore Cottage. H&M spent something like a million (pounds or dollars?) to renovate the place, and I can't imagine they would leave those clunky radiators in place. English radiators generally look rather different from that style.

R564 - The cost was about three million (pounds sterling) to renovate the place. Harry and Meghan spent very little. The public announcement was that the Sussexes would pay for the internal decorations, etc., but the taxpayer, via the Sovereign Grant, paid for the expensive structural renovations.

What that really meant was that Charles paid for those decorations, because Harry's actual cash income is about 300,000 quid, subject to normal Internal Revenue tax. So unless Harry dipped into his trust fund, it was Charles who shelled out for all those fancy internal refurbishings.

After Megxit, Harry allegedly paid the three million quid back into the Sovereign Grant so it could no longer be used against him that he and Meghan took the taxpayers' money for the renovation knowing full well that they were going to bail.

They are paying, allegedly, market rent to maintain the address, something like 18,000 (pounds) monthly. The lease was allegedly renewed on 31 March.

I would venture to guess that unless Harry still needs the address for tax purposes, or in his fantasies to maintain himself as a Counsellor of State, if the High Court rules against him in his "security" case, he will probably let the lease go next year.

I doubt, after their experience at the Jubly, that they have any illusions left about spending much time in the UK.

By the way, one of the posters on LSA put up a video of the booing that followed the Sussexes into St Paul's. It was much more pronounced than anything I've seen so far, with people calling out, "We don't want you here!" very audbily.

They're done in the UK. Even they have to know it. Short of a divorce and Harry crawling back to his family filled with regret and uttering apologies, I don't see what the hell they want with Frogmore Cottage any longer.

Hell, they can afford a suite at the Goring in London for a week or so, and a nice little place in the Cotswolds if they've a yen for high status English countryside in summer.

With the Brooksbanks now in Portugal most of the year, and the Cambridges apparently headed for Windsor this summer, and the Queen clearly less than gushingly welcoming, Harry and Meghan would be surrounded by hostiles.

They should just bite the bullet and give Frogmore up.

Can't the Queen just ask/tell them to Frogmore Cottage?

After all isn't FC one of those residences that she controls?

Has Charles even met his grandchildren?

Sure, I can see why they'd use the kids to suck up to the queen, but they should also be using the kids to suck up to Charles! He's the one funding them, he's the one who might get so attached to the innocent kids that he'd be easier to manipulate and squeeze for money. The queen has 10 other great-grandchildren (per google) and more on the way, and is at an age when they may not want to form new attachments, so they actually have a lot more to gain in the long run by letting Charles spend time with the grandkids.

R566 - Yes, technically. Frogmore Cottage is on the Frogmore Estate and is a Crown Estate property. That means it falls into a strange territory overseen by the government but whose disposition is up to the Queen. Any revenues generated by a Crown Estate property go back into the Sovereign Grant to repay the taxpayers. The Queen has control of the property, but she doesn't "own" it, and cannot earn or keep revenue generated by it, or sell it.

So, yes, she can refuse to renew the lease next year. I would be surprised if she did anything but wait until next year not to renew the lease, and if Harry and Meghan asked to be released from their obligation, she would likely be all too gracious about it.

Remember, FC is also Eugenie's home per her agreement with the Sussexes last year, when she is not in Portugal. The Sussexes could well surrender the rest of the least in whole to the Brooksbanks.

I just don't see what use FC is to the Sussexes any longer, especially as its location in Windsor means that their only "friend" in the neighbourhood, Eugenie, will not even be there more than half the year.

I think the key will be what happens with Harry's suit against the Home Office. A refusal of his request to change his status would, I imagine, be the last nail in the coffin of Harry's relationship with his country.

R567, forget Charles; they’d better suck up to William!

And anyway, a well-placed word from Camilla might hold some sway, too. If Harry slags Camilla off in his memoir, who knows what will happen? Then again, that book has been rejected a few times by the publisher, reportedly.

I see the giant wig is back. Looks nothing like the thin, scraggly hair she is sporting in her "Lillibet" picture.

Everyone wants to suck up the Queen, while pissing off the guy who will be in charge in 2 years, mostly likely.

Idiots.

"[R567], forget Charles; they’d better suck up to William!"

I think that would be wasted effort. William isn't taking any shit from those two.

No, IMHO sucking up to Charles is their best bet, as of all the royals in power, he offers the best combination of vast wealth, limited expected life span, fewest heirs, and fuzzy-minded susceptibility. His will is going to be the biggest payday either of them can ever hope to have, far more than the Queen's.

R572 Also I'm guessing he still has deep guilt about Diana. Weak spot there.

You've convinced me. They truly are short-sighted idiots to snub Charles as they have been doing.

But then, their ineptitude is why they're so entertaining. Their Machiavellian machinations wouldn't be half so much fun if they were actually competent.

Twitter is saying that Lilibet is wearing one of those baby weaves/hairpiece and it's not her real hair. You can see the tracks if you zoom in closely.

R575 people who actually believe this need to take a break from the internet for a while. Talk about being too invested

The "fake kids " nutters do the odious Sussexes a favour. They make it look as though anyone that dislikes them is certifiable.

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The DM is really obsessed with them. All their articles are “the Royal expert claims,” it’s all pure speculation. It’s ridiculous. I miss the days of tabloids when they had sources and real inside information.

Someone will be sleeping with the chickens tonight.

He looks happy.

A glimpse of the old Harry we all adored . Meagain is an energy vampire.She probably sucks the life out of every man stupid enough to go with her. Proof positive in that pic.Harry hasnt smiled like that in years.

I doubt Charles has any real guilt about Diana, but rather he'sbeen invested in looking like a good father after the whole Diana debacle. However by acting out as he has, Harry has given Charles the perfect excuse to cut him off without looking bad; who could blame a father deal out some "tough love" to his bratty adult son that shit talks him on TV? Harry no longer has the "you don't want to be seen punishing Diana's baby" leverage over him because we all know now that Diana's baby is an entitled idiot.

Haz always liked his blondes. Wasn't Delfina a bikini model?

[quote] A glimpse of the old Harry we all adored.

Speak for yourself.

Delfina modeled, but is an equestrian herself. She’s also the daughter of one of Argentina’s richest men. Nacho married exceedingly welll. And then you have Harry, with the cable actress, giving pretend bj’s on TV.

Lilibet looks just like Pippi Longstocking.

Hey ! I loved Pippi ! Dont compare Pippi to that d list nobodies spawn !

Pippi is smart and sly in a nice way.

No idea how poor Lilibet will turn out, but as for her parents, they're anything but smart and sly in a nice way.

I agree R577. It crosses my mind every now and again that some of those nutters might well be stans in disguise, that's how bad a look it is for the non-stans.

Baby weaves? Fuck off.

Seconding the "speak for yourself" at R585. I never "adored" this entitled twat.

I was honestly really surprised at who Harry ended up marrying. Meghan totally went against his usual type. Delfina, or whoever is in that picture above, is who I pictured him marrying.

I don't know who that gal is, but she's dressed like absolutely any gal you'll see around horses in California. She could be the belle of Santa Barbara old money, or she could be some broke college student working as a groom, and I'm assuming she's a horsewoman because Harry is wearing a polo outfit.

But since they've been photographed together like that, probably purely friendly hanging out, look for Harry to quit the polo team and take up full-time drinking.

Harry's always been known to cheat. I imagine he'll find a side piece if he doesn't already have one.

Has he, r594? Not saying he isn't a cheater, but what are the stories?

Here's one article.

Why wouldn’t he cheat? He thinks he’s Henry VIII. Wealthy, spoiled, athletic, soldier, handsome (used to be), laddish appetites. Even if he was in a relationship, he didn’t have a ring on his finger!

Of course, he doesn’t have as many options now that he’s got one, and he’s under her thumb. (Not that she loves him, but it would be embarrassing.)

There have to be many women out there who think they can do a better job than Markle.

Yes I should think she is territorial about him and rightly so.

That aging black woman knows goddamn well the right chippy sashays along she could be in the battle of her life. Some young bitch with a smoking hot body could easily snatch his ass. I bet Meagain lives in fear of that very thing,though she thinks shes got him firmly hooked. Its in the back of her mind for sure. She should have taken into account the fact that without the BRF running a tight ship with his behavior he's liable to go off the deep end. Dumb bitch just cant see the long game .

Sparkle would throw hot tea at anyone calling her black. She is biracial, mixed race, or her favorite: woman of color.