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QUEER AS FOLK on Showtime!

In honor of Pride Month, Showtime is airing their annual QAF marathon.

Season 1 starts today.

Be there, bitches!

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by Anonymousreply 337June 25, 2022 4:28 PM

Wonder what they all look like now. Is Sparks still straight?

by Anonymousreply 1June 2, 2022 3:26 AM

Michael’s chiropractor bf was the hottest guy on the show. Showtime is also repeating The L Word this month if anyone cares.

by Anonymousreply 2June 2, 2022 3:55 AM

[quote] Wonder what they all look like now. Is Sparks still straight?

Isn't Robert Gant now a motivational speaker? He looks the same.

Not sure about everyone else, but I seriously doubt that Hal Sparks is straight.

He's mid-50's and no girlfriend or wife.

by Anonymousreply 3June 2, 2022 4:33 AM

Watching the first episode reminded me of how gays used to meet (yes Im old). You would go to a bar with friends, maybe make eye contact with someone who you were interested in. No internet, no Grinder, no details other than what they looked like in person, how they danced or if you were lucky a brief conversation. If they passed that test you just went somewhere and fucked. If it worked out - great, if it didn't that was okay also. It seemed complicated at the time, but compared to now, it seems so easy/innocent.

by Anonymousreply 4June 2, 2022 5:33 AM

That sounds stupid

by Anonymousreply 5June 2, 2022 11:36 AM

I always thought it was silly the way a good looking masculine-ish guy like Brian would go after a fem MONKEY like Justin. In the British QAF the Justin character was played by an actor who was much better looking and not queeny .

by Anonymousreply 6June 2, 2022 1:06 PM

I binge-watched this show around the time I realized I was gay (alone in my room with headphones of course). It definitely gave me unrealistic expectations about gay nightlife. I've been to some crowded gay bars and clubs but I've never been anywhere even close to Babylon with it's three levels and wall-to-wall gorgeous guys. Brian was kind of a loser, wasn't he?

by Anonymousreply 7June 2, 2022 1:13 PM

I have the complete set of DVDs.

by Anonymousreply 8June 2, 2022 1:14 PM

And the DVDs have the real music.

by Anonymousreply 9June 2, 2022 1:16 PM

Justin on British QAF was played by a young Charlie Hunnam.

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by Anonymousreply 10June 2, 2022 1:18 PM

Ted was a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 11June 2, 2022 1:25 PM

R10-Wasn't he much better looking and more appealing in general than that blond MONKEY on the American QAF?

by Anonymousreply 12June 2, 2022 1:30 PM

Gay sex on TV. It was thrilling at the time.

by Anonymousreply 13June 2, 2022 1:36 PM

This has become an annual viewing for me.

The first few times I thought the show was dated.

But watching again, I'm actually becoming fond of the show.

And Hal Sparks was perfect casting for Michael. He was adorable.

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by Anonymousreply 14June 3, 2022 9:50 AM

Hal Sparks is an odd duck.

His wiki page said he grew up playing Dungeons and Dragons, became a "dungeon master," had a son in 2011 (but no mention of a wife or girlfriend), and he's also a Freemason.

Weird and random.

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by Anonymousreply 15June 3, 2022 10:22 AM

I watch The L Word, I watch Queer As Fuck.....

by Anonymousreply 16June 3, 2022 10:47 AM

Hal seems geeky, eccentric, boyish and sort of asexual to me. Which made him the ideal cast for Michael, I suppose. Even when he curses or talks about sex (which he does a lot in his standup), it comes across oddly.

That said, I don’t think the character Michael was a good cognate for the Stuart character of the original U.K. version. Stuart wasn’t at all childlike or naïve, though he was geeky and socially-awkward.

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by Anonymousreply 17June 3, 2022 10:54 AM

[quote] Brian was kind of a loser, wasn't he?

Someone online once made the comment, ‘if Brian were poorer and fatter and shorter and had less confidence, he’d be Ted. They’re the same person underneath.’ And it really is true when you break it down. Both are lonely, sex-addicted, pretentious bores; the difference is that Ted starts off self-aware and honest about it, and eventually tries to change his ways in a more realistic manner.

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by Anonymousreply 18June 3, 2022 10:59 AM

I remember Ted being kind of ugly but after watching that clip, he's really not bad looking at all. Brain is unbearable. Gucci loafers? Wow so impressive, Brian.

by Anonymousreply 19June 3, 2022 11:13 AM

R19 there’s a really funny episode where Ted ends up at a function with lots of single women in their 30s and 40s who don’t know he’s gay, and many of them are shown to find him attractive and try to hit on him.

The joke with Ted is that he isn’t generally hideous or ancient or an absolute loser, except by the stringent standards of young urban party gays.

by Anonymousreply 20June 3, 2022 11:19 AM

Unpopular opinion: I found Aidan Gillen much hotter than Gale Harold as Stuart/Brian. Also the brit version somehow mangaged to make the already over the top annoying Michael character even more annoying.

by Anonymousreply 21June 3, 2022 11:19 AM

R20- Ted's unattractiveness on the show was SO exaggerated. He was actually good looking. He was lacking in confidence and a bit meek.

It would have been interesting if they had a character who truly was someone that would be invisible in the bars and clubs-someone short and fat for instance.

by Anonymousreply 22June 3, 2022 12:57 PM

I thought Ted was the cutest and most appealing guy on the show. Brian looked like he wore the same underwear 2 weeks in a row.

by Anonymousreply 23June 3, 2022 1:56 PM

R23- While Ted's unattractiveness was exaggerated simultaneously Brian's HOTNESS was exaggerated.

by Anonymousreply 24June 3, 2022 2:05 PM

Michael's chiropractor boyfriend (Chris Potter) was really handsome and hot.

Why did they drop him from the show? He was definitely a keeper.

I'm also surprised that he's married with four kids in real life.

I wonder what the kids think about dear old dad playing gay on television?

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by Anonymousreply 25June 3, 2022 6:55 PM

Chris Potter and Hal Sparks were very hot together.

They had real chemistry.

I wonder if they fucked in real life?

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by Anonymousreply 26June 3, 2022 6:58 PM

Showering...

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by Anonymousreply 27June 3, 2022 6:59 PM

What a waste! Of course Hal is gay but was so fucking triggered about people finding out he's still on the DL. LAME!

Back in his QAF days he could have had so much dick up his ass! Shame.

by Anonymousreply 28June 3, 2022 7:03 PM

[quote]Showtime is also repeating The L Word this month if anyone cares.

If they want to revisit early 21st Century gay programming, they should do a triple feature with Queer as Folk, L Word, and Noah's Arc. That would be fun.

by Anonymousreply 29June 3, 2022 7:07 PM

[quote] Wonder what they all look like now.

Justin still wears the same clothes like he's 17 and 2Hot2BeBelieved

by Anonymousreply 30June 3, 2022 7:07 PM

Last time I saw Hal Sparks, he had long hair. He still had that youthful look to his face but I've always preferred with him with shorter hair.

by Anonymousreply 31June 3, 2022 7:09 PM

Long hair on Hal = "I'm str8 God damn it!"

by Anonymousreply 32June 3, 2022 7:10 PM

Why in the fuck won't Hal Sparks ever come out?

It makes no sense to me.

He played gay for five years on television.

He's not married. He doesn't have a girlfriend. And he's 52 years old!

Mary, we all know you're gay. And no one cares!!

by Anonymousreply 33June 3, 2022 7:11 PM

[quote]Justin on British QAF was played by a young Charlie Hunnam.

You mean Nathan on the American version of QAF was played by some duck faced guy.

by Anonymousreply 34June 3, 2022 7:13 PM

This is Hal from three or four years ago.

He was 49 at the time.

Hal is in surprisingly good shape.

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by Anonymousreply 35June 3, 2022 7:17 PM

I can't believe that Showtime runs this for the entire month of June.

by Anonymousreply 36June 3, 2022 9:34 PM

As a Brit, the U.S. adaptation of QAF makes my senses hurt and is unpleasant to watch. Too glitzy, too jumpy, too noisy, too many grating accents.

by Anonymousreply 37June 4, 2022 12:37 AM

[quote] won't Hal Sparks ever come out? It makes no sense to me. He played gay for five years on television. He's not married. He doesn't have a girlfriend.

Does he have a boyfriend or a male lover, though? Has he ever had? No-one seems to know.

Perhaps playing gay in a high-profile role, and a stereotypically-passive/bottom gay at that, has complicated his search for a wife or girlfriend? I'm not condoning that or saying it's right, but more sheltered or traditional straight women can be judgemental like that. Plus women in the entertainment industry with Hal can have their career optics to consider.

by Anonymousreply 38June 4, 2022 12:40 AM

R37- We frequently find your accents grating too.

by Anonymousreply 39June 4, 2022 1:24 AM

[quote]Showtime is also repeating The L Word this month if anyone cares.

Am I the only gay guy who prefers The L Word to Queer as Folk? I've watched both, but I've watched The L Word right through twice from when it aired and plan to start again soon, and I just enjoy the characters, the actors and the campiness more.

by Anonymousreply 40June 4, 2022 1:28 AM

This guy was just on QAF as an extra, and he was really hot.

At first I thought he was straight, but he doesn't seem to have a gf or wife.

Still single at 52.

Anyone know his story? The actor's name is Mark Lutz.

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by Anonymousreply 41June 4, 2022 7:40 AM

Ted & Blake’s story was the only romance arc I truly cared about and invested in on the show. Their ending felt earned.

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by Anonymousreply 42June 4, 2022 10:42 AM

The guy who played Justin was in an episode of Mr Robot. He looks pretty much the same so good for him, I guess. I've never seen any of the other cast members except for Gless and Sparks.

by Anonymousreply 43June 4, 2022 10:49 AM

It always felt like for QAF Sharon Gless was trying to do a thin take on Lainie Kazan.

by Anonymousreply 44June 4, 2022 10:54 AM

I want Hal Sparks’ cum inside me.

by Anonymousreply 45June 4, 2022 11:03 AM

[quote]While Ted's unattractiveness was exaggerated

Part of what is going on is that you are re-watching as an older person. Younger people look cuter. So when you were closer to the character's age, you would have been more critical.

I noticed this yesterday, going through old photos. People I never thought were particularly good-looking looked pretty handsome.

by Anonymousreply 46June 4, 2022 12:17 PM

[quote] The guy who played Justin was in an episode of Mr Robot. He looks pretty much the same so good for him, I guess.

That's not just good for him, but fantastic.

Especially considering that he's 45 years old this year.

by Anonymousreply 47June 4, 2022 12:26 PM

Yep, R46. I turned 40 recently, and I notice these days I find so many more types of men attractive than I did when I was 20.

by Anonymousreply 48June 4, 2022 12:33 PM

what season and episode was 1) where justin jacks off that homophobic but studly jerk classmate in that basement while they are wearing their school uniforms, when they are being punished? so so hot, how justin turned him out and got him good! 2) what season was it where that musclebound porn star shows up to seduce and entice emmett?

by Anonymousreply 49June 4, 2022 12:55 PM

R47- It's hard to believe how old he is now.

by Anonymousreply 50June 4, 2022 1:03 PM

R49 I tried looking it up, but couldn't find it.

It might be season one, episode 4.

Right now, Showtime re-runs are up to season one, episode 13 (as of Friday).

So I guess we both missed it.

But I found a clip, if you're interested. It actually is pretty hot.

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by Anonymousreply 51June 4, 2022 1:09 PM

R10 Charlie Hunnam was the childhood crush of many a Northern kid, for his role in BYKER GROVE.

Later in life, Charlie garnered man-crush/bi-lust admiration from many a guy, for his part in SONS OF ANARCHY.

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by Anonymousreply 52June 4, 2022 8:25 PM

Watching season one, it pisses me off that Michael treated Dr. David like absolute shit.

Dr. David was a keeper, but stupid Michael kept chasing dirty Briain.

What a moron.

by Anonymousreply 53June 4, 2022 8:55 PM

My first gay bar/club was a bar actually named Babylon in Redondo Beach California. Nothing like the show.

by Anonymousreply 54June 4, 2022 9:07 PM

Random notes from someone who also "learned" about gay life as a teen watching QAF

1. They had trouble getting actors to take the role and so wound up with a mix which actually worked in that they portrayed the full masc-femme spectrum of gay men--there was one mincing nellie (Emmett) one semi-femme and the rest were varying degrees of normal.

2. I thought Sparks was wildly miscast. He was a standup, the others were actors and he was constantly mugging for the camera and seemed like he was Special Needs -- he was supposed to be in his 30s.

3, I thought the joke with Ted was that he actually wasn't all that bad looking, he just had no confidence whereas Brian was only marginally better looking, but had a lot of confidence and the difference that made. (FWIW ,the actor who played Ted, Scott Lowell, is straight, but a huge ally, he's been raising money for Tyler Clemente Foundation.)

4. The fact that Gale Harold looked to be about 22 when he was 30 in real life made a world of difference in selling the Brian-Justin romance. Sort of the reverse Hammer-Chalamet thing-- one looked like a college senior, the other a college freshman. Robert Gant is the same age as Harold, but pairing him and Justin would have come off as super-pedo.

5. For some reason the show has a major impact on a subset of frauen--many of the stalkers on DL (and on Twitter) are from places like Russia and Italy and Japan--but they are obsessed with it in a way that gay men are not.

by Anonymousreply 55June 4, 2022 9:15 PM

r45, he's a bottom.

by Anonymousreply 56June 4, 2022 9:27 PM

[quote]4. The fact that Gale Harold looked to be about 22 when he was 30 in real life made a world of difference in selling the Brian-Justin romance. Sort of the reverse Hammer-Chalamet thing-- one looked like a college senior, the other a college freshman. Robert Gant is the same age as Harold, but pairing him and Justin would have come off as super-pedo.

Interesting thinking of this in regard to the UK version. Russell T. Davies loves to show the reality of life, even when, or perhaps especially when uncomfortable, in a lot of his shows, and it seems he really deliberately made Nathan 15 years old for that reason. It's interesting that didn't carry over into the US version, but yeah I imagine that would've been too uncomfortable for people.

by Anonymousreply 57June 4, 2022 10:17 PM

^oh and to be clear, by reality I don't mean that it is something that always happens among gay men, but that it is something that [italic]does[/italic] happen, at least especially at that time (I was the same age as Nathan when that show came out).

by Anonymousreply 58June 4, 2022 10:19 PM

I always thought they made Nathan 15 and Justin 17 because their ages made them 'not quite legal' in their respective countries.

Justin being 15 would have made him a sophomore with two full years of high school ahead of him.

by Anonymousreply 59June 4, 2022 10:27 PM

^17 generally is legal though in most places though, isn't it? I know people automatically assume 18=legal for everything, but in most places it's 16/17 for sex. Not sure what the AOC in Pennsylvania was at the time. But maybe it was a way to make it seem vaguely like Justin was underage for the shock value but in reality it could be defended because he wasn't? If that makes sense?

Whereas 16 is the AOC in the UK, so Nathan definitely was underage.

Then again, weren't AOC laws completely different between straight and gay sex at the time? So maybe they were all considered underage? Ugh, I'm just confusing myself now.

Where I grew up, being gay was completely illegal at the time the UK QaF was released so if a show was set here, it wouldn't have mattered if the kid was 21, it'd still be considered illegal.

by Anonymousreply 60June 4, 2022 10:31 PM

I distinctly remember the character of Justin's dad telling Justin that what Brian was doing with him was illegal.

As for Randy Harrison and his attractiveness, I read somewhere that the original choice for the Justin character backed out.

by Anonymousreply 61June 4, 2022 10:33 PM

I never found Randy Harrison attractive, I have to say. I thought he looked kinda weird. But nowadays as an older guy (quite shocked to learn he is older than I am, but of course he would've just been playing younger on the show) I think he fits his looks really well.

by Anonymousreply 62June 4, 2022 10:42 PM

Whoever said that blond men age poorly, never met Randy Harrison.

He hasn't aged in over 20 years.

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by Anonymousreply 63June 4, 2022 10:45 PM

Randy gives a shout out to the QAF cast 20 years later.

I think they all look fantastic!

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by Anonymousreply 64June 4, 2022 10:46 PM

Remember when that lawyer lesbian was pressuring Brain to get life insurance because it was only a matter of time before he died of AIDS? Seems like a pretty stupid thing to say in the year 2000.

by Anonymousreply 65June 5, 2022 2:24 AM

Has anyone seen the new Queer as Folk? If so, how would you say it compares to this one?

by Anonymousreply 66June 5, 2022 2:30 AM

No, actually R65

I do not remember that all

by Anonymousreply 67June 5, 2022 2:34 AM

The new QAF hasn't aired yet. Of course it will be entirely Woke! All black. All tranny. All sympathetic pedophiles.

by Anonymousreply 68June 5, 2022 2:38 AM

R68, so are you saying that the Showtime version, which was virtually all-white, was any better? Isn't either extreme not helpful when trying to present a realistic portrayal of the gay community?

by Anonymousreply 69June 5, 2022 2:42 AM

It seems pretty realistic that a bunch of gay guys in Pittsburgh circa 2000 would not have any Black or Asian friends

by Anonymousreply 70June 5, 2022 2:53 AM

That's still true in most cities in the US, R70.

Even 20 years later.

by Anonymousreply 71June 5, 2022 3:53 AM

How many cocks has Hal had in him?

by Anonymousreply 72June 5, 2022 4:01 AM

Not a good show.

by Anonymousreply 73June 5, 2022 4:28 AM

I first watched this show in a motel room with a guy I regularly hooked up with; he was a big fan & we saw it on his laptop, I think it was around 2000/2001. It was also the first time I ever had blueballs, which I feared was rapid onset testicular cancer!

by Anonymousreply 74June 5, 2022 4:36 AM

R55- I would not call Justin semi fem- he was total fem

by Anonymousreply 75June 5, 2022 5:59 AM

Does anybody remember the episode where Brian was fucking some Australian guy against the sofa?

That was hot.

by Anonymousreply 76June 6, 2022 10:47 AM

I haven't watched the show since it aired and no doubt it's dated badly (and even at the time, it was clear this was no masterpiece). But.......yesssss it was like finding a water in the desert of tv back then when it came to gay stuff. We'd had Tales of the City and other things that showed some fleeting nudity or gay sex perhaps, but nothing this explicit and hot before and on a weekly basis and trying to show the spectrum of gay lives (at least in their sexual urges). So I cut the show a lot of slack. The worst thing about it was the lesbos - every second devoted to their storyline was a second wasted.

by Anonymousreply 77June 6, 2022 11:29 AM

The thing I liked best about it--I was in high school when it came out--was that most of the guys were "normal" -- not overly femme, not overly masculine, just regular guys-- a sign that you didn't need to be Jack from W&G to be gay.. (Or even Will))

by Anonymousreply 78June 6, 2022 11:32 AM

This show did not hold up well at all. So dated.

by Anonymousreply 79June 6, 2022 11:36 AM

The first season, which recycled the Brit shows storyline and scripts (to a point) was okay. Like most "crossover" programming, it pulled a few punches and was mostly notable for existing. The original US storylines weren't very good and many people (such as myself) found the show rather lame and contrived pretty quickly. The story arcs vacillated between having the characters "grow" and having them do the same thing over and over again. The Gay message boards usually had divergent opinions about whether it was a good show. Gant and Harrison and the guy who played Emmett created the most buzz. Sparks and Harold, the nominal "stars" not so much, although Harold worked fairly steadily after the show ended.

by Anonymousreply 80June 6, 2022 11:49 AM

R80- Gale Harold has worked fairly steadily- in OBSCURITY

by Anonymousreply 81June 6, 2022 1:08 PM

R80 has a point--Harold was in a couple of network series- Desperate Housewives in particular,--after the show ended. He had some sort of accident, IIRC, that hung him up.

by Anonymousreply 82June 6, 2022 2:44 PM

The US showrunnrers were a gay couple who had worked on soapy network TV shows and had a very different sensibility than Davies.

by Anonymousreply 83June 6, 2022 2:47 PM

I just started watching the British version. Surprised how different it is from the American QAF.

by Anonymousreply 84June 6, 2022 3:06 PM

Randy Harrison has been working the most after the show.

His Broadway resume is LONG.

by Anonymousreply 85June 6, 2022 4:38 PM

Another gay era!

I remember reading the very funny novel "California Screaming" everyone was enjoying around then and watching Queer as Folk. Seems like a hundred gay years ago. I think it actually was.

by Anonymousreply 86June 6, 2022 5:09 PM

I don't think Hal Sparks is gay. He's moved into a totally different area actually, working as a progressive pundit, with a youtube channel which as far as I can tell is successful and seems to be his fulltime job (with a radio show once a week and various appearances on Stephanie Miller, etc). Also, he does seem to be in a relationship, with a longterm girlfriend, and has a kid.

He kind of reminds me of Ron Reagan Jr. in that given his career path, into progressive politics, he would come out if he were gay or bisexual. There would be no price to pay for it, and it would probably give him a little bit of publicity for it if it were true. I just think he played a gay guy in a very sexualized gay show, and did his best to make it believable. (Although I do agree with r55 that sometimes his wide-eyed innocent routine seemed more like Special Needs.)

by Anonymousreply 87June 6, 2022 5:19 PM

Hal Sparks only has 35k followers on YT, which is absolutely nothing.. His crappy vids get anywhere from 600 to 6000 views but usually more on the low end. He is not making any money off his lame channel that nobody watches.

by Anonymousreply 88June 6, 2022 5:35 PM

Well, I like it, but if you are correct r88, I guess he must have some other income. Maybe he does standup still, but whatever is going on I don't think he's some Hollywood closet case desperate to fool everyone into seeing him as a totally straight actor. I think he'd come out if it were at all true.

by Anonymousreply 89June 6, 2022 5:39 PM

R89 He is a severe SJW, so yes if he was a cock sucker he would never hide it.

by Anonymousreply 90June 6, 2022 9:27 PM

Well, my goodness r90. What a saucy little Trump whore you turned out to be.

by Anonymousreply 91June 6, 2022 10:04 PM

R91 Fuck you, aids whore.

by Anonymousreply 92June 6, 2022 10:11 PM

Sorry, couldn't hear you with Trump's cock lodged in your throat. (You must have a small throat.)

by Anonymousreply 93June 6, 2022 10:18 PM

I still remember that one time Brian bottomed for Justin. It was so special. I wept!

by Anonymousreply 94June 6, 2022 10:49 PM

☝️Yes - that was special

by Anonymousreply 95June 6, 2022 10:51 PM

Michael was definitely the Charlotte of the bunch.

by Anonymousreply 96June 6, 2022 10:51 PM

I still tingle a little, when I think of it r94.

by Anonymousreply 97June 6, 2022 10:52 PM

As a closeted teen at the time, the scenes of Emmett with his football playing boyfriend were everything to me. Not sure where in the series that happened, I think towards the end? I remember at the end the football player comes out and Emmett realises the boyfriend needs to go off and experience the gay life he hadn't until that moment.

by Anonymousreply 98June 6, 2022 10:54 PM

[quote] I still remember that one time Brian bottomed for Justin. It was so special. I wept!

I have no respect for "tops" who bottom.

They're not tops. They're VERS.

As a total bottom, I will accept nothing less than a total top. Anyone else is a bottom, as far as I'm concerned.

by Anonymousreply 99June 6, 2022 10:55 PM

That could've been a very special episode of QAF, r99!

by Anonymousreply 100June 6, 2022 10:57 PM

That's nice R99, but we're talking about Brian here - not you and your preferences.

by Anonymousreply 101June 6, 2022 10:59 PM

You type like a prissy BOTTOM, R101.

Man up.

by Anonymousreply 102June 6, 2022 11:00 PM

[quote]Why did they drop him from the show? He was definitely a keeper.

They were following the UK series in the first season so his storyline was limited. But the cast hated him because he made disparaging remarks about playing gay (saying it made him feel dirty and wanted to spit after take). People hated on Hal top because he made a comment likening kissing a man to kissing a dog but it blew over.

by Anonymousreply 103June 6, 2022 11:00 PM

R87- I can top that.

I don't think Richard Simmons is gay.

by Anonymousreply 104June 6, 2022 11:01 PM

Gay? I'm not sure Richard Simmons exists these days. Didn't he disappear?

by Anonymousreply 105June 6, 2022 11:03 PM

I would never have guessed that R103, based on the way that his character fucked on screen.

Sounds like he's a closet case.

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by Anonymousreply 106June 6, 2022 11:04 PM

[quote]Michael was definitely the Charlotte of the bunch.

Brian = Samantha, Ted = Miranda

by Anonymousreply 107June 6, 2022 11:10 PM

I still haven't seen the Brit one all these years later. Perhaps I should give it a whirl. Charle Hunnam.

by Anonymousreply 108June 6, 2022 11:16 PM

I loved Charlie Hunnam's response when people thought he dropped out of "Fifty Shades of Grey" because it was soon sexual.

[quote]It hurt him that the gossip mill suggested he might have shied away from contentious sexual material. “I was excited about that element of it.” Hunnam is a deeply physical performer. “The outside perception of that was that I got really cold feet and got scared of the explicit nature of the sexuality of the piece. When I was 18 I was getting fucked in the ass, completely naked on national TV, y’know?”

by Anonymousreply 109June 6, 2022 11:23 PM

I thought Barna Moricz, the actor who played the co-worker who sued Brian for sexual harassment, was hot as fuck. Loved the scene where he was waiting for Brian naked in bed.

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by Anonymousreply 110June 8, 2022 1:04 AM

If a show like this went on the air to today the woke masses would proclaim that show to be ALL WHITE therefore it's RACIST therefore it needs to be CANCELLED.

It would be considered LITERAL violence. Not just because the cast of characters was all white because the cast was ALL cicgender- what a stupid word.

by Anonymousreply 111June 8, 2022 1:20 AM

I dreaded every scene with Hal Sparks, couldn't stand him.

by Anonymousreply 112June 8, 2022 1:32 AM

Harris Allan, who played Hunter the hustler, matured nicely.

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by Anonymousreply 113June 8, 2022 1:40 AM

I always thought they should have had Brian drive a 1963 Corvette instead of the 1970.

by Anonymousreply 114June 8, 2022 1:56 AM

R113- He looks a lot better now than he looked then. He had NO appeal back then.

by Anonymousreply 115June 8, 2022 3:21 AM

I was watching the episode where Dr. David and Michael hosted a snooty political fundraiser, and Michael didn't invite his friends because he was embarrassed of them.

So they crashed the party and ruined it for him.

But the worst part was their clothes!!

Uncle Vic dressed like a pimp, his mom dressed like an old hooker, Justin dressed in a cut off shirt like a little whore, Ted dressed in leather, and Emmett dressed in drag. It was hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 116June 8, 2022 5:30 AM

This show didn't age well.

The first 2 seasons were good but then it got really bad, fast.

I prefer Looking.

by Anonymousreply 117June 8, 2022 5:41 AM

7 surprising and somewhat problematic observations I made rewatching Season 1 of ‘Queer As Folk’:

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by Anonymousreply 118June 8, 2022 5:52 AM

The guy who played Blake (Dean Armstrong) was cute as hell.

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by Anonymousreply 119June 8, 2022 5:53 AM

Is Dean Armstrong gay?

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by Anonymousreply 120June 8, 2022 5:53 AM

Dean was such a twink back in the day.

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by Anonymousreply 121June 8, 2022 6:03 AM

I was Justin's age in the show and I had such a similar life. My parents were just like his in a number of ways (his mom was fairly supportive, mine were not), I left home and lived with the crazy, kindly gag hag. I had a much older boyfriend. I felt this was very accurate for life in 2000. I grew up in LA and SM Blvd was like a night out on Liberty. It felt so amazing to see this on TV. There was NOTHING back then that I related to other than new queer cinema like Gregg Araki. I hated W&G. I watched it over the pandemic, all 5 seasons, and I think it's a pretty solid show. I think it's the best gay series that we've had. The gay bashing when Justin gets smashed in the head and his arc with Brian I thought was really beautifully done.

I saw the billboard for QAF reboot on Sunset today. It looks like another Gossip Girl reboot. Hot, bald WOC, non-binary, and maybe a 1 to 2 good looking men. I don't have paramount so I won't be watching. Is Kim Catrall in this.

by Anonymousreply 122June 8, 2022 6:18 AM

R122- Even with it’s faults Looking was a much better show than Queer As Folk.

by Anonymousreply 123June 8, 2022 10:54 AM

I recently rewatched Looking and it was so much better than than QAF. The writing on QAF was just terrible once they had to stop relying on the British story lines.

by Anonymousreply 124June 8, 2022 12:02 PM

The original American version has held up well and still seems relevant.

by Anonymousreply 125June 8, 2022 12:12 PM

R115.. agree...

anyway, frankly the ONLY reason Why I watched QAF back in the day was for any episodes that had muscle in them.. (love love muscle then and now, and i'm talking the bigger the better!)...

by Anonymousreply 126June 8, 2022 1:08 PM

I enjoyed Looking a lot. One of the many reasons is that the sex scenes were so much more realistic than you're used to seeing; I thought that was impressive as most TV doesn't really get sex scenes right.

by Anonymousreply 127June 8, 2022 1:11 PM

R126- The Muscle between the legs🍆 ?

or the body?

by Anonymousreply 128June 8, 2022 1:16 PM

R128 O, Gramps. Youse so saucy. Enough with that language. The children!

by Anonymousreply 129June 8, 2022 1:53 PM

Rewatching episodes now on Showtime (I haven't seen the show since it went off the air 17 years ago). I find it mostly still entertaining, just very dated and comes off really cheesy in some respects (mostly because of the bad dialogue). The actors are fine, though, and I'm reminded of how much I used to love Emmett. He was just too fabulous for words (loved the walk) and Peter Paige's performance was just perfection and Emmy-worthy in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 130June 8, 2022 2:58 PM

The article at R118 is actually quite positive about QAF. The “problematic” parts are predictably about Justin’s age & the lack of trans & POC characters and these points are refuted in the comments to the article.

by Anonymousreply 131June 8, 2022 3:04 PM

I just realized that baby Gus is about 21 or 22 years old now!

Damn.

by Anonymousreply 132June 8, 2022 7:04 PM

THR reviews "Queer as Folk":

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by Anonymousreply 133June 8, 2022 9:16 PM

R133 A major character is an amputee?

by Anonymousreply 134June 8, 2022 9:34 PM

r132 I hope Gus is hot.

by Anonymousreply 135June 8, 2022 11:11 PM

Logan and Keegan Hoover played Gus.

Here's Logan.

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by Anonymousreply 136June 8, 2022 11:15 PM

Here's Keegan.

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by Anonymousreply 137June 8, 2022 11:17 PM

QAF had flaws but as a Torontonian, it's special to me as it gave a lot of actor friends jobs. I remember working in court and one of the paralegals was also an actor and had done a full-frontal nude scene (he was hot).

Let's not forget that Peter Paige co-created The Fosters and Good Trouble, two very successful series.

by Anonymousreply 138June 8, 2022 11:55 PM

[quote]I just realized that baby Gus is about 21 or 22 years old now!

He could've been a good lead-in to a reboot of the original show, him now at 21 years old and his life? I wonder if they will bring back old characters?

by Anonymousreply 139June 9, 2022 12:50 AM

Looking was made in a different era of TV - the sort of soapy drama that was normal when QAF was made had gone out of favor by then.

While I certainly was not complaining at the time in retrospect, the sex scenes usually seem forced--like here's the action and now we're going to cut to a soft porn scene and now back to the overwrought soap opera.

I agree that a 29 year old dating a 17 year old high school senior--and the high school senior's parents' reaction to it--would have been played very very very differently in 2022

by Anonymousreply 140June 9, 2022 5:25 AM

TBH, that review at R133 sounds like they're saying the new series sucks, but because it's chock full of trans and non-white and differently abled gay people, they can't come out and say it sucks, just hint at it.

by Anonymousreply 141June 9, 2022 5:40 AM

[quote]I wonder if they will bring back old characters?

R139, I was thinking about this very question just this week while watching episodes of the Showtime series. I was thinking how nice it would be if Peter Paige or Scott Lowell or hell even Randy, Gale or Hal would make a cameo appearance as one of their characters from the old show. It would just be nice to create that bridge between the two versions.

by Anonymousreply 142June 9, 2022 5:53 AM

Do a lot of the extras have Canadian accents? I noticed this when watching the X Files

by Anonymousreply 143June 9, 2022 5:56 AM

'Looking' was DULL and that's why it didn't last, but to be fair, sometimes with gay anything, you are damned if you do, damned if you don't. After QAF, everyone wanted more accessible characters and lifestyles. They all lived in typical, drab, rent controlled SF apartments and had boring jobs, QAF was sexy, it had style. "Looking" was bland. I appreciate it but I don't think it had the impact that QAF did. It came and went with little fanfare within the gay community and outside. Neither the gays nor the fraus were interested.

by Anonymousreply 144June 9, 2022 6:17 AM

Not just any drag r116. Emmett wore the famous pink Chanel Jackie Kennedy suit.

by Anonymousreply 145June 9, 2022 6:21 AM

Wasn't Emmet vers though. There was an episode where they alluded he was a top. I've known some big dicked, but nelly tops and I just can't.

by Anonymousreply 146June 9, 2022 6:39 AM

R144: QAF had no "style". It borrowed from a British show and then lapsed into dreary soap opera. It had some risque scenes for its time, but ultimately wasn't that sexy (see "dreary soap opera"). Something can be sexy without showing much action (see what people did during the production code).

by Anonymousreply 147June 9, 2022 11:19 AM

R147 - while I agree with you 100% there is a reason why soap operas are so popular

by Anonymousreply 148June 9, 2022 11:34 AM

[quote]The writing on QAF was just terrible once they had to stop relying on the British story lines.

The original writing team quit en masse after S1.

by Anonymousreply 149June 9, 2022 12:37 PM

I couldn't bear to watch the Showtime version. I tried at the beginning, but it was an inferior shot-by-shot remake during some scenes and it just seemed like a terrible, derivative show.

Is the good one available anywhere? I'd watch that again. Charlie Hunnam was very pretty before he erupted into the incredible hulk.

by Anonymousreply 150June 9, 2022 12:59 PM

R144- I think you're confused. Queer As Folk was DULL. It was at best a MEDIOCRE show. Looking was not a great show but it was far better than QAF. The characters were individuals and they did not spend all of their time in club/bars they had full lives outside of the scene unlike QAF were the bars and clubs were the centerpiece of their lives.

by Anonymousreply 151June 9, 2022 1:07 PM

R149 is right. Season 1 ended on a note that was far removed from the British show, and, whether for that reason or another, all the good writers on it quit (including the one who went on to write Buyer and Cellar, about Barbra Streisand's mall).

It never did follow the British show closely. In the British show the main relationship is between the Brian and Michael characters (Stuart and Vince). Vince is in love with Stuart and Stuart casually strings him along while playing the field (Nathan is only a short-term distraction), but the UK show implies they could end up together. The US series decided very early to make Brian and Justin basically Rhett and Scarlett, which sidelined the Michael character from from Season 1 compared with the original and made the US show a romantic melodrama of a kind Russell Davies has never shown any interest in writing.

by Anonymousreply 152June 9, 2022 1:25 PM

I always found it interesting that A) Emmett the character who was the biggest "queen" actually had the best body of all the characters and B) how Emmett would, could and did go from seducing and being with that handsome as hell built, at the time closeted football star and then go to the old enough to be his grandfather sweet and wealthy "daddy"... talk about opposite ends of the spectrum...Just saying....

by Anonymousreply 153June 9, 2022 1:32 PM

Emmett was the most appealing character in the American version. Quite different from the campy character in the British show, but he was cute, too.

by Anonymousreply 154June 9, 2022 4:28 PM

Interview with Russell T. Davis, Cowan & Lipman and the new showrunner for QAF.

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by Anonymousreply 155June 9, 2022 4:52 PM

[quote] The original writing team quit en masse after S1.

Why, R149?

by Anonymousreply 156June 9, 2022 11:37 PM

It's been ages since I've seen it, but I also seem to remember that the UK version went odd in the second season, and didn't it just do two sort of wrap-up episodes where the Aiden Gillen character became some sort of gay rights crusader or something.

by Anonymousreply 157June 9, 2022 11:54 PM

Emmett was ugly as fuck and his relationship with Drew wasn't believable, but he and Justin were the most likable.

by Anonymousreply 158June 10, 2022 5:31 AM

Pauline Kael once said of "Pretty in Pink" that it had nothing to do with what high school was like, but that it was successful because it was what a middle school student thought high school was like.

The same is true for "Queer as Folk." When it aired it was pretty heavily disesteemed by everyone on Datalounge, but it was popular with gay high school students and with straight women who thought it showed what they imagined gay life was really like. A friend of mine who worked on QAF said that the show deliberately went out of its way to court a female audience. They cast Gale Harold as Brian not because he was really any gay man's idea at the time of what a gay yuppie superstud would look like, but because women found his more androgynous type attractive and less threatening.

by Anonymousreply 159June 10, 2022 5:43 AM

Watching this a second time around, Emmett brought a lot of humor to the show.

I saw an especially funny episode where he found his "soul mate," and they planned their future together, had a long term relationship, and then had a bad breakup all in the span of one hour and forty five minutes. It was fucking hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 160June 10, 2022 5:43 AM

I disagree R159 - I think QAF was exactly what life was like in the late 90's/early aughts, especially if you lived in a big city, were attractive, and under 30. People went out...often. And people went out dancing a few nights a week. If you wanted to meet someone for sex or find a boyfriend, you had to go out, there were no other options. Obviously it's fiction, but there are clubs that rivaled Babylon. Dance clubs were more a thing. Also, the show made it 5 seasons which is a very good run. Much better than the UK QAF and the watching of paint dry, that is 'Looking'. All you queens screeching about how great it is said it was boring as fuck on here when it came out. I know b/c I was living in SF at the time and came here for the threads on it.

by Anonymousreply 161June 10, 2022 6:11 AM

[quote] If you wanted to meet someone for sex or find a boyfriend, you had to go out, there were no other options.

There was AOL, lol.

I remember my friends and I always going to the bars and clubs and saying "Oh, look there's such and such (screen name)" and having a good laugh about it.

Or talking to them in chat rooms, and then meeting at the clubs.

by Anonymousreply 162June 10, 2022 6:13 AM

When I watch especially the first 2 seasons on QAF, it takes me back to being underage, sneaking intoclubs, thinking I was going into this all inclusive world where I would finally be understood. The drinks, the dancing, a full night of possibility and minimal hangovers the next day. I was jaded by the time I was 21, but it was fun and QAF is a nice piece of nostalgia.

by Anonymousreply 163June 10, 2022 6:21 AM

The British version was very relatable to me when I saw it as an 18/19 year old. It was relatable emotionally, if not all the elements precisely. It was a coming of age story that came at the right time, it showed the fear and excited anxiety of exploring sexuality, something we all do at that age regardless of orientation, in an environment where it was not entirely taboo but still brought fear and some level of shame with it. It directly addressed the sexual experimentation aspect but also extended to integrating that evolution into family life—how parents and friends will react, etc.

The story dealt with really high-stakes issues, emotionally speaking, and did it in an overall uplifting and optimistic way, and at that time in history, many of us needed it to be done that way. These days, a coming-of-age gay story might get a little darker because different sexualities are less taboo and so there's room to show more human dimension without an obligation to telegraph hope, but at that time it was necessary. We were still in the AIDS-is-certain-death era, and while it was unlikely most people would be beaten to death for being gay, we were very openly discriminated against in many places, made to be second-class citizens who many regarded as "gross."

Beautiful Thing was an emotionally deeper dive that perfectly balanced the fear and anxiety of being gay set in a pretty bleak realistic working-class setting with a fantastically uplifting and hopeful direction. I think it belongs on the shelf of LGBT history alongside Paris Is Burning as an artistic document of what life was like at the time. The British Queer as Folk shows some progress toward the superficial (which signifies to me greater societal acceptance), and the US one is a trashy mainstream soap opera. That does represent some progress.

Like it or not, Will & Grace was a primary cultural force that made people stop seeing gay men as scary creeps and instead made us seem harmlessly fun. Queer as Folk was a necessary next step to layer sex back onto gay men, apart from the AIDS terror, so that people could integrate those ideas and begin to realize we are just human beings—not victims of biology, not neutered sidekicks with sassy punchlines at the ready, and not worse or better than any average person.

Everything that is edgy culturally is edgy because of associated taboos. That's where the jaggedness and perceived dangers come from. With acceptance comes mainstreaming and with that comes dilution and softening of all edges. You end up with a watered-down version, and that's what we got.

by Anonymousreply 164June 10, 2022 11:08 AM

R161- QAF was not a good show. The writing ✍️ SUCKED and the acting 🎭 SUCKED.

by Anonymousreply 165June 10, 2022 11:31 AM

I went to high school with the guy who played Emmet's cybersex buddy, usemyhole27. He graduated before me.

by Anonymousreply 166June 10, 2022 12:00 PM

R161 --it certainly wasn't representative of gay life in a big city at that time. By then, there were plenty of non-bar options to meet people from bowling leagues to hiking clubs in bigger cities. It was meant to show gay life in a provincial city (Manchester in the UK, Pittsburgh here) and even those places had multiple options for people. It was a "crossover" show run by guys who did prime time soaps, so it was never going be a realistic version of anything. Lasting 5 years on cable is not a mark of anything special, it's like saying Lucy was a great actress because her show was popular---she wasn't a great actress and people watching her schtick says more about her audience than about her.

by Anonymousreply 167June 10, 2022 12:39 PM

[quote] . I've been to some crowded gay bars and clubs but I've never been anywhere even close to Babylon with it's three levels and wall-to-wall gorgeous guys.

Maybe that's what's Pittsburgh is like.

by Anonymousreply 168June 10, 2022 12:47 PM

I've been to clubs like that. All years ago. In DC, I referred to them as warehouse clubs, and they were two or three levels and packed. I always preferred them to bars because I went out to dance, not to get drunk. The first club I ever went to, in the late 90s in DC, was called Tracks. It was in a bad neighborhood in Southeast DC, and it had a small dancefloor in the front room, a two (three?) level very large dancefloor-balcony area, and another smaller dance floor surrounded by ceiling-to-floor stacked TV monitors that played music videos. It had a fenced-in outdoor area with a volleyball net in a sand pit. It was big and exciting to me.

Also in DC was the smaller bar called Ozone and then Cobalt after Ozone burned down. They were three floors, with each floor having its own theme. I think I remember that Ozone's first floor was a bar, the second floor was a dancefloor and the third floor was a dancefloor that was very hot (hence the name) to encourage patrons to take off clothes.

In London, both G-A-Y and Heaven were very large. If I recall correctly, G-A-Y was an enormous, open warehouse type club with live performances onstage, and Heaven was more compact but three or four floors high.

And I went to some club in Miami that was enormous, being big and open like a warehouse and many floors high.

by Anonymousreply 169June 10, 2022 3:33 PM

I hate the S2 ending of the British QAF.

by Anonymousreply 170June 10, 2022 3:41 PM

Might I point out Eldergays arguing about how realistic Babylon was, that there have been a few threads on Datalounge pointing out that Pittsburgh did not have anything vaguely resembling QAF's "Liberty Avenue" gay district nor did it have any major gay dance clubs.

Manchester did, which was why it made sense for the UK version, but it was just easier for the US version to go along for the ride.

by Anonymousreply 171June 10, 2022 4:04 PM

[quote]it certainly wasn't representative of gay life in a big city at that time. By then, there were plenty of non-bar options to meet people from bowling leagues to hiking clubs in bigger cities.

I was thinking about this last night while I was watching it. I never thought about it much back during its original run because you only saw episodes one week at a time, but now, seeing them back to back over successive nights, it's just so fucking repetitive. Yes, I know it's about young gay men and remember how much clubbing we did back in the pre-Grindr days (when QAF is set), but it's like every episode we must have the obligatory scene in Babylon. It almost felt like these guys had no life whatsoever outside of that club and just becomes very tiresome very quickly when you watch so many episodes at a time.

by Anonymousreply 172June 10, 2022 4:34 PM

Jaded whore, it lasted 5 seasons. When another gay series beats that (and neutered Will&Grace do not count), let me know. The sex was hot, the guys were hot, the story lines were realistic of the time, and the acting was decent. I'd rather watch that QAF and Looking for that matter than the hideous freak show that is QAF 2.0.

by Anonymousreply 173June 11, 2022 1:08 AM

I came across this article from a Syracuse University communications prof, Gael Sweeney:

“Why Are All the Straight Boys Running Out of the Room?” Teaching Queer as Folk as a Challenge to Heteronormativity (April 2008)

It’s an interesting perspective (and it mentions Datalounge

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by Anonymousreply 174June 11, 2022 3:13 AM

I had no idea that Jack Wetherall, the actor who played Uncle Vic, was the Elephant Man in the show's original Broadway production. As for QAF, I always thought he deserved more than the "also starring" billing they relegated him to when he was clearly a regular for the show's first 4 seasons. He deserved principal billing just like the other actors.

by Anonymousreply 175June 11, 2022 5:41 AM

Apologies if this was posted already. I think they all look great, Randy, Scott and Sharon especially:

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by Anonymousreply 176June 11, 2022 6:30 AM

How queer ARE folk, actually?

by Anonymousreply 177June 11, 2022 7:32 AM

Hal Sparks aged like shit. Woof.

by Anonymousreply 178June 11, 2022 8:14 AM

I wonder if the QAF actors realized at the time how iconic that show was and how much influence it would have on their future careers.

by Anonymousreply 179June 11, 2022 9:10 AM

R177, Non' so queer as folk.

by Anonymousreply 180June 11, 2022 9:41 AM

Thanks R174 and FWIW, I did not need to sign in to read it.

What's most interesting is that it was written about 15 years ago (2008) though is still valid today

by Anonymousreply 181June 11, 2022 10:15 AM

[quote] I wonder if the QAF actors realized at the time how iconic that show was and how much influence it would have on their future careers.

I was just thinking about this, while watching the show this week.

Poor guys. The show pretty much destroyed all of their careers.

It just goes to show that Hollywood is still homophobic and conservative at heart, despite their paying lip service to gay people.

by Anonymousreply 182June 11, 2022 11:42 AM

There was an episode on Thursday, which was about Brian getting an award for helping Justin fend off his attacker after the prom.

The award organizers backtracked on giving him the award, because a prominent gay writer criticized Brian for dating Justin who was "under aged" when they met, and he called Brian a predator.

Naturally, the QAF writers made the columnist the bad guy, by having Ted and Michael "accidentally" catch this guy having bareback sex at some orgy/sex party.

I'm guessing that the show got a lot of criticism from prominent gays, about the Justin and Brian relationship, so they tried to address it by calling the critics "hypocrites" who need to check their own questionable behavior.

Clearly, the QAF producers were very thin skinned, if they couldn't handle that kind of criticism.

by Anonymousreply 183June 11, 2022 11:54 AM

^ wasn't that a dig at Andrew Sullivan who was very moralistic at that time about people who did not always practice safe sex and was caught soliciting "milky loads".

I remember of all people a gay ex-priest mentioning it and saying "moralizers who get caught out."

by Anonymousreply 184June 11, 2022 12:09 PM

Interesting, R184.

I didn't get to watch the show when it first came out, so I'm watching it again for the second year in a row, since Showtime has made airing QAF an annual June event.

But that would make sense, after watching the episode.

In fact, an episode on Friday was about how Brian saw his mother's Priest in the back room of a gay bar getting fucked. Lol.

Sometimes this show was just ridiculous in the sex scenarios.

by Anonymousreply 185June 11, 2022 12:14 PM

[quote] The show pretty much destroyed all of their careers. It just goes to show that Hollywood is still homophobic and conservative at heart, despite their paying lip service to gay people.

Not really R182

Gale Harold had a good career going -- Fox gave him a cop series to star in that didn't go anywhere and he had a prominent role in Desperate Housewives.

He got into a very bad motorcycle accident in the middle of Housewives which seems to have done more damage to his career than playing Brian Kinney.

Randy Harrison has worked steadily on Broadway and had a minor role in Mr. Robot

Peter Paige went into producing and had The Fosters and another hit show.

by Anonymousreply 186June 11, 2022 1:18 PM

I know I should know this by now, but which of the cast are actually gay or bisexual?

by Anonymousreply 187June 11, 2022 1:29 PM

R187, I think the gay cast members are Peter, Randy and Robert. I also read that Thea is bi.

by Anonymousreply 188June 11, 2022 1:41 PM

It's also worth noting that the premise of the hundreds of Obsessed Fan-Frau Gale Harold threads that were on Datalounge about 5 to 10 years ago was that (you can't make this shit up) Gale and Randy were in a relationship during Season 1 and the sex scenes were real, that Gale, in a Brian Kinney-esque move, ended things because he did not want to be in a gay relationship, but that they continued to pine for each other and would have occasional secret hookups despite living on separate coasts and having other romantic partners.

Suffice to say the fan fraus desperately wanted Gale to come out of the closet and admit his love for Randy so that the two of them could live happily ever after. All male friends of Harold were presumed to be love interests keeping him away from Harrison, and all girlfriends of Harold were presumed to be beards.

by Anonymousreply 189June 11, 2022 1:52 PM

^^and these fraus believed that Gale and Randy were hooking up during season one the way Trumpists believe the election was stolen--there was no doubt in their minds that the two were madly in love and fucking like bunnies, facts and actual boy and girlfriends be damned.

by Anonymousreply 190June 11, 2022 1:56 PM

I just added the UK one to my Amazon Video list. It's free! I'm curious about how well it has aged. I rewatched Beautiful Thing and it had me laughing and sneezing up a storm.*

I have no interest in the American one.

It seems like a stretch to say it killed Hal Sparks' acting career, though. I remember him primarily as the Talk Soup host. Greg Kinner had a short-lived movie star career after Talk Soup. Aisha Tyler became an it girl, very popular, but I don't remember her establishing herself firmly as an actor. Joel McHale had one show, Community, but like Sparks with Queer as Folk, it seems to have been his one big break. Community was well received, and just because his notable career ended there, I wouldn't say the show ended his career. Most of these sorts of working comic actors just bump around from project to project and sometimes hit it big once or twice. Kinnear's talent served him well. McHale's fake boobs also did right by him.

*I sneeze when I cry.

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by Anonymousreply 191June 11, 2022 2:25 PM

[quote]The show pretty much destroyed all of their careers.

Michelle Clunie (Melanie) is Bryan Singer's baby mama. Hopefully that provided her some financial security.

by Anonymousreply 192June 11, 2022 3:24 PM

R192 Bryan Singer had children with a woman?!

I didn't know he is bisexual. I pray she keeps them locked in a cabinet somewhere and has swallowed the key so he can't get to it.

by Anonymousreply 193June 11, 2022 3:29 PM

Hi R193

I am the turkey baster that made that child happen!

by Anonymousreply 194June 11, 2022 3:51 PM

R190- FRAUS aside- Gale Harrold IS gay in real life too

by Anonymousreply 195June 11, 2022 4:02 PM

R195 = lingering Frau from mid-10s threads

Harold is hetero, has had multiple long-term girlfriends over the years.

by Anonymousreply 196June 11, 2022 4:40 PM

Gale Harold, Hal Sparks, and Randy Harrison are all gay.

End of story.

PERIOD.

by Anonymousreply 197June 11, 2022 8:29 PM

This is what it says on Gale Harold's Wikipedia page:

[quote]The actor's sexual orientation was the subject of speculation from the public for many years, until Harold finally identified himself as a straight man.

If he's lying (and I'm not suggesting he isn't), it just strikes me as totally unnecessary. I mean it's not as if he's Bradley Cooper and has an A-list career to protect. And that's not throwing shade, I'm just saying he'd have about as much to lose at this point as NPH or Bomer did when they came out.

by Anonymousreply 198June 11, 2022 9:34 PM

Same thing goes for Hal Sparks, R198.

He claims to be straight, but nothing in his personal history would suggest that to be true.

No girlfriend, no wife, etc.

It's so weird.

by Anonymousreply 199June 11, 2022 9:35 PM

Sparks has been dating Summer Soltis for years.

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by Anonymousreply 200June 11, 2022 9:50 PM

LOL R198 - that was a marketing ploy-- being ambiguous about Harold's sexuality so that viewers wouldn't fixate on the sexuality of the various actors. IIRC, he came out as "straight" sometimes during the first season of the show.

Harold had at least two serious relationships with women, as the fan fraus posting on DL were furious at them for keeping him from realizing that he was really gay and belonged with the true love of his life, Randy Harrison.

To be fair, the same vitriol was aimed at Harrison's boyfriends.

by Anonymousreply 201June 11, 2022 10:10 PM

R189, jesus! Just when I think humans can't get any weirder..!

by Anonymousreply 202June 11, 2022 10:34 PM

I'm rematching and say what you will Gayle & Randy have fantastic chemistry. There was an episode where Brian is talking to Justin and is shot from behind with Harold nude, You can see his cock and balls swinging between his legs. If they didn't have the chemistry, I don't think the show would have been as successful. Hal Sparks character is the most annoying of the bunch. All he does is pout and sulk. He's not an adorable man child.

by Anonymousreply 203June 11, 2022 10:47 PM

[quote] He's not an adorable man child.

But he sure thought he was.

It was funny watching him mug for the camera on QAF, as if he were doing an episode of Talk Soup.

by Anonymousreply 204June 12, 2022 1:53 AM

The Michael character was mind-numbingly annoying as often as the Justin character was insufferable and self-righteous. I still remember the point where I despised Justin - in Season 2 where he fucked another college student at Daphne's party, taking his virginity. The guy ended up tracking Justin down at the diner, where Justin cruelly told him to fuck off (he also either called him a f@g or a fairy, can't remember which). OK asshole, you clearly had forgotten how YOU acted after Brian fucked you the first time.

[quote]Emmett wore the famous pink Chanel Jackie Kennedy suit.

And one of the waiters at the party accidently spilled shrimp cocktail sauce all over it. That was an amusingly dark touch.

by Anonymousreply 205June 12, 2022 2:02 AM

R205: Yeah, not Justin's best moment! Some serious amnesia there!

by Anonymousreply 206June 12, 2022 4:38 AM

It's all coming back to me....

Sparks was a stand-up while the others were all actors. Unknown actors, but actors nonetheless

That is why Sparks always seemed to be on a different show, mugging for the camera as R205 noted and playing Michael as if he were Special Needs.

The fact that the showrunners decided to focus on the Justin-Brian relationship made Harold and Harrison the stars, which led to tension with Sparks, who had been promised he'd be the lead--in the UK version the Michael and Brian characters were the leads.

There were also allegedly tensions because Soarjs never fit in with the rest of the cast--he was a corny comedian, they were all Serious Actors and more intellectual. Think Daniel Day-Lewis having to hang out with Joe Rogan. (A massive exaggeration, but you get the point.)

But yeah, he was really awful and, more than that, you never understood how he and Brian were friends, as they did not seem to have anything in common beyond being gay and still stuck in their hometown.

As for that scene with Justin, R205, IIRC, it was a ham-fisted way of saying "Look! He is trying to be just like Brian now and treating other people the way Brian treated him!" only he realized, in a Very Special Episode kind of way, that this was not who he was, that treating people like shit did not feel good, and he felt remorseful and Learned A Lesson About Life.

That said, he could be insufferable at times in that way that 18 year olds can be when they think they know better than everyone. He was, after all, an 18 year old college freshman hanging out with a bunch of men and women in their early 30s and I think they wanted to show the contrast in maturity levels.

by Anonymousreply 207June 12, 2022 9:26 AM

I also remember watching an interview with one of the two showrunners and he was telling a story about having a friend who was so femme that he was often embarrassed to be out in public with him. And I remember thinking "Wait.... there's someone even more femme than you?"

So not a lot of self awareness from those two.

by Anonymousreply 208June 12, 2022 9:28 AM

Brian's "I'm so above it all, and so much better than you" schtick got REALLY tired after just a few episodes.

His character became unwatchable.

by Anonymousreply 209June 12, 2022 9:32 AM

I remember some DLers blaming this series for gay teen suicides back when it first aired.

by Anonymousreply 210June 12, 2022 9:33 AM

How so, R210? I don't get the logic of that argument.

by Anonymousreply 211June 12, 2022 7:08 PM

I agree Sparks never really meshed with the cast or the show in general. I never believed him as a gay man and it did seem like he was in a different show.

by Anonymousreply 212June 12, 2022 7:15 PM

I didn't watch the US one beyond the first couple of episodes. (They seemed to be shot-for-shot replicas of the original, and that was unwatchable.) But I did read the celeb blogs that were popular at the time and I think I remember lots of complaints about Hal Sparks, basically that he was protesting too much and defensively pointing out at every possible opportunity that he wasn't gay. Am I remembering that correctly?

If so, I can understand that for a couple of reasons. The first would be a fear for future employment. The second would be that as a star of a show centered around gay sex, I'm sure he would have been propositioned/harassed constantly by aggressive gay men. It's inevitable. Possibly enough to freak him out and make him want the world to understand it was just a job, not his real life.

But then, that would just 1) beg the question of why take the job, and 2) substantiate arguments that gay actors should play gay characters.

by Anonymousreply 213June 12, 2022 7:31 PM

R211, I didn't really get it either. My question of how a show about a group of gay guys living their lives and being happy, or at least trying could be hurting anyone, was met with "Happy? This shit isn't happy, and it's killing kids!"

I'm assuming they were homophobe interlopers drawn by the show's popularity to spread as much shit about it as they could.

by Anonymousreply 214June 12, 2022 7:50 PM

R197- Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 215June 12, 2022 7:59 PM

I think the only time suicide was mentioned in the show was Brian’s 30th birthday and that was ambiguous. The show did address violence against gays several times, though.

by Anonymousreply 216June 12, 2022 8:53 PM

R212- I never believed him as a gay man either.

I do believe him as a CLOSETED gay man.

by Anonymousreply 217June 12, 2022 9:03 PM

Yes, it was crap, but I enjoyed it immensely as TV comfort food and rewatch it every year.

by Anonymousreply 218June 12, 2022 10:00 PM

Usually I like the UK, European or original better in everything, but I think the American QAF was much sexier and interesting. People like the UK QAF b/c the characters were not nearly as attractive as the US version (with the exception of Charlie Hunan and I think he actually is a hotter man than twink) and so perhaps more reliable to unattractive DLers.

by Anonymousreply 219June 13, 2022 1:22 AM

I see why women liked QAF better than gay men. Justin is thrilled by bad boy lover Brian and tries every way he can to seduce him into a relationship, but as soon as he succeeds, he wants to change him into a more romantic partner. It’s Justin who breaks all the promises and leaves. When Brian finally breaks down and offers to become the romantic partner Justin wanted, Justin tells him he prefers the sexy bad boy he fell in love with. All very frau-ish.

by Anonymousreply 220June 13, 2022 1:40 AM

Meanwhile, Brian keep paying all the bills. Of course.

by Anonymousreply 221June 13, 2022 1:53 AM

I was reading Salon's review of the new QAF reboot and they included a link to their review of the Showtime QAF back in January 2001 (they were not impressed):

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by Anonymousreply 222June 13, 2022 10:51 PM

It's an odd review R222 - the writer has seen the entire British series and fallen in love with it and is comparing it to the first episode of the American version. (Or maybe the first two episodes)

by Anonymousreply 223June 14, 2022 12:48 AM

R216, it wasn't because of the suicide plot line. The reasoning was apparently that it was such a shit show that gay teens were killing themselves because it was on. I'm really not kidding.

by Anonymousreply 224June 14, 2022 5:00 AM

If only everyone that loved the Goilden Girls would have killed themselves. LOL.

by Anonymousreply 225June 14, 2022 6:05 AM

I'm re-watching and Melanie, the lesbian lawyer, can literally win any case regardless of whether it's lewd conduct, gay parents rights, immigration, human resources - she can handle it all.

by Anonymousreply 226June 14, 2022 6:11 AM

Hal Sparks was on my FB feed during Covid. Live roasting of Trump's bullshit. Sort of a comedy riff fact check kind of thing. He was not a fan of Trump at all. He still had the long weird hair.

by Anonymousreply 227June 14, 2022 7:05 AM

Hahaha, R226! I love shit like that on TV, always makes me laugh!

I thought maybe during June I would rewatch QaF, but I've kinda got caught up in rewatching The L Word at the moment, so maybe later.

[quote]the writer has seen the entire British series and fallen in love with it and is comparing it to the first episode of the American version

I remember at the time it was almost a rote thing people would say: "the British version is better than the American version", but honestly, once you get past the part where they are using the same storylines, the US version becomes its own thing and honestly, I always thought there was room for both. And I generally prefer British TV myself.

Lots of memories of the US version being on late night SBS and me staying up late with the volume almost completely down to my parents couldn't hear. Maybe recording an episode or two off the TV if I had a spare tape. So much sneaking around in my teen years!

by Anonymousreply 228June 14, 2022 7:26 AM

I had no idea that Michael's father was a drag queen!

That was a fun episode that I saw for the first time yesterday.

I also saw the episode where the two lesbians had a wedding ceremony, and I completely forgot that gay marriage wasn't even legal back then.

We've come a long way.

I wonder if that episode helped change peoples' minds about gays getting married?

If it did, then that would be QAF's biggest accomplishment.

by Anonymousreply 229June 14, 2022 9:04 AM

What does Queer as Folk mean anyway? Is it a British saying?

by Anonymousreply 230June 14, 2022 12:24 PM

Basically QAF killed everyone's career

by Anonymousreply 231June 14, 2022 12:25 PM

R230, yes it's a British (Yorkshire/Lancashire) saying: "there's nowt so queer as folk". Meaning: "there's nothing as strange as people".

by Anonymousreply 232June 14, 2022 12:27 PM

[quote] But yeah, he was really awful and, more than that, you never understood how he and Brian were friends, as they did not seem to have anything in common beyond being gay and still stuck in their hometown.

That's often the reason gays in small towns and cities stay friends--because they're gay and there arent too many of them

by Anonymousreply 233June 14, 2022 12:29 PM

The reboot is just awful.

EVERYONE is a mincing queen who don't work, just go to Drag shows or want to be in Drag shows and do little else.

No-one speaks without a thousand purses falling out of their mouths.

The original was so much better.

by Anonymousreply 234June 14, 2022 12:32 PM

That is too bad R234.

One very redeeming factors of the US show was that it showed a full range of gay men's personalities from mincing queens to nerds to bros.

Much more reflective of the real world

by Anonymousreply 235June 14, 2022 12:51 PM

Here is a link to a thread on the reboot. The comments are mostly negative, but some people are enjoying it.

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by Anonymousreply 236June 14, 2022 3:03 PM

That scene of Emmett's old boyfriend dying in the airplane bathroom while fucking Emmett was awful!!!

He died stuck in Emmett in the lavatory, and they never explained how they both got out of there.

It was creepy as fuck!

by Anonymousreply 237June 15, 2022 12:05 AM

And even more unbelievable - Emmett just walked away from the million dollars George wanted him to have! Guess Melanie wasn’t such a good lawyer after all.

by Anonymousreply 238June 15, 2022 2:29 AM

Staying at a hotel with Showtime. The show is at least as bad as I recall--the dramatic cut aways and heartfelt exchanges---just dreadful soap opera at its worst.

by Anonymousreply 239June 15, 2022 1:29 PM

A few years back Aidan Gillen (Stuart, UK QAF) he couldn't speak for Charlie Hunnam or Craig Kelly but he was really interested in the idea of doing a QAF follow-up to see where the characters are. He said RTD never got back to him about it.

I was surprised Gillen would want to revisit the role. I remember after it came out he complained about how people couldn't separate him from the character and he had men propositioning him while he was out and about with his kid.

We know what happens to Hazel (the Debbie Novotny of the UK series). She appeared in an episode of RTD's "Cucumber". She died of a heart attack while doing karaoke and now her ghost hangs around Canal Street watching over the guys and trying to warm them away rom danger.

by Anonymousreply 240June 15, 2022 6:27 PM

Gale Harold was too beautiful and masculine to ever be gay. Hal Sparks always gave me faggy vibes though.

by Anonymousreply 241June 15, 2022 7:22 PM

R234

that's bc everyone is actually queer on the new one and half of the cast of the original is straight. Genius.

by Anonymousreply 242June 15, 2022 7:24 PM

R242- WRONG

EVERYONE on the original American/Canadian QAR was gay/lesbian including Sharon Gless.

by Anonymousreply 243June 15, 2022 7:30 PM

Well, no, r243. Hal Sparks isn't gay. And I don't think Gale Harold is either, despite all the obsessive, truly crazy obsessive threads his "romance" with Randy Harrison sparked on DL.

by Anonymousreply 244June 15, 2022 7:43 PM

Why does it matter so much whether an actor is gay or not? They are not the character they play either way.

by Anonymousreply 245June 15, 2022 8:08 PM

It doesn't r245, but in a highly sexualized gay show, I guess people will wonder. Could a straight actor do THAT? Yeah, I think they could, and did.

by Anonymousreply 246June 15, 2022 8:12 PM

Yes R244 you're probably right. Hal Sparks and Gale Harrold are straight. They are actually hardcore PUSSYHOUNDS like

Richard Simmons

Ryan Reynolds

Tom Cruise

John Travolta

by Anonymousreply 247June 15, 2022 8:20 PM

It's okay if they are, r247. It doesn't negate your life or your sexuality. It's okay.

by Anonymousreply 248June 15, 2022 8:23 PM

I’d swallow Gale Harold’s cum.

by Anonymousreply 249June 16, 2022 8:46 AM

R241: So, only unbeautiful/femme guys are gay? And "faggy" guys are like Hal? STFU homophobic troll!

by Anonymousreply 250June 16, 2022 4:41 PM

I couldn't finish the first episode. It was the corniest shit---I felt uncomfortable watching it.

by Anonymousreply 251June 16, 2022 4:46 PM

The most comparable show today is probably Elite. Soap opera with attractive young characters and lots of explicit gay sex.

by Anonymousreply 252June 16, 2022 4:53 PM

Yep - Elite then Love Victor

by Anonymousreply 253June 16, 2022 10:43 PM

Emmett and Ted's scenes together always made me laugh.

Especially Emmett.

I'm not usually a fan of fem guys, but his character was very endearing.

by Anonymousreply 254June 18, 2022 1:20 AM

R249- In ca. 2001 or even today?

by Anonymousreply 255June 18, 2022 3:22 AM

Today, yesterday and tomorrow

by Anonymousreply 256June 18, 2022 5:13 AM

Emmett emerged as the least annoying cast member by the end of the show.

by Anonymousreply 257June 18, 2022 12:25 PM

Ms Gay has spoken! It's quite the claim - I can't remember the show well enough but I know many people didn't like him. But the fictional character you hate the most is quite a claim.

Someone in the comments mentioned: "...and Jenny Schechter". I think I might be the only person out there who found Jenny really interested to watch, and enjoyed watching her (weird fantasy sequences aside). Mia Kirchner acted the fuck out of that character too, which really helps. But I am pretty sure I am alone in this.

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by Anonymousreply 258June 18, 2022 12:48 PM

Why does she hate Michael so much?

by Anonymousreply 259June 18, 2022 12:55 PM

^Your guess is as good as mine. Even if you don't like the character I would've thought there were many more worse characters in history to choose from.

by Anonymousreply 260June 18, 2022 1:15 PM

Bingo R260

I also think it's less about Michael the character than Sparks the actor: as has been noted on DL many times, Sparks seemed to be on a different show than everyone else in the cast and played Michael like a special needs teenager, not a slightly insecure 30 year old man.

It made all his relationships questionable--what would a chiropractor and (especially) a college professor talk about with someone with the emotional and intellectual capacity of an 11 year old?

And Brian always seemed like he was taking care of a special needs sibling as a favor for Mom, rather than actually bonding with his lifelong best friend.

Still, Roxanne Gay's comment is from out of left field (I know she is working on current QAF reboot, but still...)

Maybe Sparks and/or other cast members will start a flame war with her

by Anonymousreply 261June 18, 2022 1:33 PM

[quote]Still, Roxanne Gay's comment is from out of left field (I know she is working on current QAF reboot, but still...)

I know what you mean. It's like, where did this come from? Is she trying to start trouble, or..? I think somewhere else she was complaining about Vic too?

I really need to rewatch QaF again. I can't remember having any particular feelings about Michael, except that sometimes Hal Sparks' acting was a bit ropey. Emmett was the character I always enjoyed, he seemed sweet.

by Anonymousreply 262June 18, 2022 1:36 PM

Agreed R262. Emmett was a very effeminate gay man who was portrayed sympathetically and as a whole person, rather than as a wacky clown and foil for a straight woman like Jack on Will and Grace.

There was a scene where they were all talking about the homophobia they experienced growing up. Emmett had it hardest because he was so obviously gay and lived in a small Southern town. He said people would throw lighted matches at him.

by Anonymousreply 263June 18, 2022 1:40 PM

^It really brings home to you how those of us who can't assimilate as easily really can have a hard time of it. Poor bugger!

by Anonymousreply 264June 18, 2022 1:44 PM

Yes. I was a teenager when that show was on, but it left me very sympathetic to the lived experience of that type of gay man.

Many (most?) of us can have basic interactions with strangers (shopping at a supermarket) without anyone being aware of or giving a second thought to the fact that we are gay, versus types like Emmett who are always clocked as gay wherever they go. It must be similar in many ways to being Black

by Anonymousreply 265June 18, 2022 1:55 PM

Exactly, R265. Myself, I was always fortunate in being able to assimilate. I think sometimes people would pick up on it, but I was so much safer because most people didn't, so I could choose to be open about it only when I felt safe.

The Emmetts of the world are the real trailblazers, I always think.

by Anonymousreply 266June 18, 2022 2:02 PM

Gale Harold has had a couple of well publicised but quite short relationships with women, both of them after QAF. He was sharing a place in San Francisco with a guy when he auditioned for the show. (On the other hand he was poor, so a legit housemate is certainly not out of the question.) He came from a family of Pentecostals in Georgia, which if he WERE closeted might be more of a consideration than his career.

I have no idea what his sexuality is, but I do know that if the fangirls hadn't adopted him first, or if he'd been as attractive to gay men as he was to women, y'all would have scoffed that this record was nowhere near enough for a guy of his looks and age, who was willing to do that many gay sex scenes dressed only in a cocksock. Good to see the double standard being kept up, DL. (That was pointless bitchery.)

by Anonymousreply 267June 18, 2022 3:16 PM

Gale Harold is a straight pussy hound. He LOVES eating snatch.

by Anonymousreply 268June 18, 2022 3:19 PM

None of that is true R266 as it looks like the Old School Gale Harold Is Gay Fangurl Posse has found this thread.

It's been about 5 years, so welcome back.

He had been a struggling actor in LA for several years before getting cast in QAF

His relationships were pretty long-term and one of them, with a woman he sued because she tried to attack him when he broke up with her, was major tabloid fodder.

by Anonymousreply 269June 18, 2022 3:38 PM

I think you have to be a least bi-curious or bi-tolerant, especially in Gale Harold's role. I can see how an actor can push themselves into one or two love scenes to get through a movie or short term project. If your role as the star is to have fairly graphic gay sex in every episode for 5 years, I feel like that would be difficult if there wasn't some attraction, especially the deep kissing that is required. As a gold star gay, if I have to deep kiss a woman and cuddle nude with her in every episode, it wouldn't be happening. I wouldn't sign up for a show like that.

[quote] Jenny Schechter....

I have seen all of the L Word years ago, but might need to watch during this free month. I am definitely the minority, but I liked Jenny Schecter. I thought she was interesting, somewhat ruthless and I really like the actress who played her. She was in a couple of other indie films and I always thought she did a good job as a cold, calculating woman.

by Anonymousreply 270June 18, 2022 6:11 PM

Jenny was a great character but that last season of the (original) L Word was an abomination. The whole "Who Killed Jenny" storyline was so stupid.

by Anonymousreply 271June 18, 2022 6:50 PM

Oh absolutely, R271. And in Generation Q they give a passing mention to her having killed herself in the end, so it wasn't even relevant in any way.

I'm glad to see others liked Jenny too. I've just finished rewatching season 2 and I thought Mia Kirchner did such a great job. As a gay man, I actually really could identify with the early parts of the seasons where she realises she's gay now, but doesn't feel she fits in anywhere, that others don't see her as gay and she's really trying to find her place in the community.

by Anonymousreply 272June 18, 2022 9:51 PM

[quote]The Emmetts of the world are the real trailblazers, I always think.

Sweet sentiment, R266, and I agree.

by Anonymousreply 273June 18, 2022 10:11 PM

In 2022, Brian would be a Log Cabin Republican.

Guaranteed.

by Anonymousreply 274June 19, 2022 5:13 AM

So why did the show end after only five seasons?

Was it because the cast members hated each other, and were becoming divas?

I remember hearing that there were some major divisions among the cast.

by Anonymousreply 275June 19, 2022 4:47 PM

It had kind of reached its natural conclusion. All the characters were moving on with their lives.

by Anonymousreply 276June 20, 2022 2:25 AM

Surprise anal was a big thing on QAF. This is the first time I really thought about, probably having spent too much time on DL. There is a lot unplanned mid day anal happening - to close a deal, in a dressing room, etc. I remember douching not being this huge thing like it is today.

by Anonymousreply 277June 20, 2022 7:09 AM

Exactly, R277.

Only on television could a bottom be ready to go for anal, at the drop of a hat.

The thought of it it just gross.

by Anonymousreply 278June 20, 2022 8:12 PM

I can't recall a single time during QAF's entire run where douching was brought up. On the other hand, it was a plot line for one of the early episodes of Looking, with wide-eyed Patrick acting like he had never heard of such a thing.

by Anonymousreply 279June 20, 2022 8:16 PM

R279, that scene of Jonathan Groff laying on his bathroom floor, sarcastically muttering how sexy this was sticks in my mind haha. And then Russell Tovey ends up wanting to bottom after all that.

by Anonymousreply 280June 20, 2022 8:24 PM

These gifs are from the show...

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by Anonymousreply 281June 20, 2022 8:30 PM

QAF U.S. imploded at the end.

They all hated each other, and left on very bad terms.

by Anonymousreply 282June 21, 2022 12:20 AM

Why r282?

It's not like any of them were A-list actors.

by Anonymousreply 283June 21, 2022 12:35 AM

They're all divas, R283.

It happens.

by Anonymousreply 284June 21, 2022 12:55 AM

That's the problem with Looking - we were forced to think about douching. In QAF, everyone was fresh, douched and ready to go without having to make it a plot point.

by Anonymousreply 285June 21, 2022 1:46 AM

[quote] That's the problem with Looking - we were forced to think about douching. In QAF, everyone was fresh, douched and ready to go

I think it really depends on the writers.

For the QAF writers, the sex was incidental. The focus was on the character storylines.

In Looking, maybe they actually wanted to delve into the nitty gritty of gay sex.

To be honest, I prefer glossing over the "yuck factor."

by Anonymousreply 286June 21, 2022 1:49 AM

"everyone was fresh, douched" - or not lol.

by Anonymousreply 287June 21, 2022 2:01 AM

Except the Patrick character on Looking said he didn’t know a lot about douching because he was a “self-cleaning oven.”

by Anonymousreply 288June 21, 2022 2:24 AM

Great show . A gay Melrose Place

by Anonymousreply 289June 21, 2022 2:30 AM

I tried watching it again recently and I had to stop around 2x3.

Everyone is insufferable except for Justin and Ememtt.

The mom is cute, even if she's such a caricature of a hag mom.

by Anonymousreply 290June 21, 2022 5:20 AM

Looking is the superior show.

The characters didn't all want me to gouge my eyes out.

Also more eye candy, more realistic, more relatable.

by Anonymousreply 291June 21, 2022 5:21 AM

make me want to*

by Anonymousreply 292June 21, 2022 5:21 AM

R291, I've said it before, but what I really appreciated about Looking was the realism of the sex scenes. In the movie, I think it was, there was a scene where Jonathan Groff was fucking this guy and the guy was like: "Slow down, I don't want to cum just... oh fuck, too late, fuck me hard NOW!" which was really hot and I've definitely been with guys who haven't been able to contain themselves just like that.

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by Anonymousreply 293June 21, 2022 6:12 AM

R293

yes agreed, the sex scenes were super realistic/intimate without being overly crude for gratuitous purposes.

by Anonymousreply 294June 21, 2022 6:45 AM

R281, is that from the episode written by Roxane Gay? It looks like the kind of writing she would do.

by Anonymousreply 295June 21, 2022 8:52 AM

I can’t get over the Justin character casting. What the fuck were they thinking?? He looked like an ugly lesbian version of Mary Stuart Masterson as “Watts” and he was a terrible actor.

by Anonymousreply 296June 21, 2022 8:58 AM

[quote] Great show . A gay Melrose Place

It is!

In one of Monday night's episodes, there was an election, Hunter's deadbeat mom came to take him home, Ted woke up from a drug binge and found a group of men watching a video of him getting gang banged, Brian sold all his belongings to buy $100,000 worth of television ads against a homophobic Mayoral candidate, Deb forces everyone to vote, the homophobe loses the election, Ted enters rehab, and Michael runs away with Hunter so that his mom and the cops can't take him away.

All in one episode!

Whew!

by Anonymousreply 297June 21, 2022 10:23 AM

Spoiler! At the end of the season, a red-headed drag queen will take off her wig and reveal a huge scar on her head, and then she will blow up Babylon as huge cliffhanger and a way for the showrunners to get rid of all the actors who aren't focus testing well!

by Anonymousreply 298June 21, 2022 10:39 AM

Who is the hottest guy on the show?

by Anonymousreply 299June 21, 2022 10:40 AM

[quote] Who is the hottest guy on the show?

Ted's former addict boyfriend Blake, played by Dean Armstrong.

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by Anonymousreply 300June 21, 2022 10:50 AM

Robert Grant - Ben Bruckner - Michael’s HIV pos boyfriend

by Anonymousreply 301June 21, 2022 3:10 PM

IIRC, at one of the gay pride parades here in NYC in the early aughts (while QAF was still on the air), both Gant and Armstrong rode on a float coming down the street and both seemed very friendly and even nodded hello to me as they were passing by (I was standing on the front line).

by Anonymousreply 302June 21, 2022 4:29 PM

[quote] Also, the show made it 5 seasons which is a very good run.

So? A long run is not indicative of quality, just of popularity. "NCIS" ran for nineteen seasons, and "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" ran for 20.

by Anonymousreply 303June 21, 2022 4:43 PM

Everything after season 2 was unnecessary.

by Anonymousreply 304June 21, 2022 6:58 PM

The show became really preachy after Season 3. Five seasons was enough.

by Anonymousreply 305June 21, 2022 7:01 PM

Ted gangbanged on crystal meth was my personal limit.

by Anonymousreply 306June 21, 2022 7:37 PM

R306, mine too.

by Anonymousreply 307June 21, 2022 7:39 PM

the bodybuilder porn star

and the closeted gay football star....(including the handsome built guy at the nightclub bar he was picked up by leaving emmett)...

by Anonymousreply 308June 21, 2022 7:42 PM

That's interesting, R282. I'd certainly love more detail if you have it and feel comfortable sharing.

Perhaps it was just my imagination but in that video of their recent reunion, Thea Gill came off to me like she was annoyed to be there (while Melanie seemed quite thrilled).

by Anonymousreply 309June 21, 2022 10:45 PM

Is Harris Allan gay?

I think he's cute.

There seems to be no indication on the internet or social media, at all.

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by Anonymousreply 310June 22, 2022 5:57 AM

Some might disagree but I really felt Peter Paige's work was Emmy-worthy. He was just heartbreaking at times, particularly the scene the other night when he was fighting with a coked-out Ted, who told him no matter what he'd always be nothing but a "piece of trash" from Tennessee (or whatever state Emmett came from). He basically responded that that remark couldn't hurt him because that was what he told himself every day of his life.

Watching the episodes back-to-back, the sex scenes were just so boring and repetitive. One episode this past week ended with Justin giving Brian a blowjob, then the episode directly after started off with Justin giving Brian a blowjob. After a while you're just like enough already.

by Anonymousreply 311June 22, 2022 10:13 PM

[quote] One episode this past week ended with Justin giving Brian a blowjob, then the episode directly after started off with Justin giving Brian a blowjob. After a while you're just like enough already.

Thank you for saying that. I thought I was the only one who felt this way.

Sometimes, an over abundance of sex is TOO much sex.

It all felt so gratuitous.

I actually became bored/sick of it.

by Anonymousreply 312June 22, 2022 10:16 PM

I thought that Ben, Michael and Hunter made a cute little family.

Am I the only one?

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by Anonymousreply 313June 23, 2022 2:52 AM

Did Melanie and Lindsay break up at the end?

by Anonymousreply 314June 23, 2022 3:58 AM

I think they moved to Canada together.

by Anonymousreply 315June 23, 2022 4:44 AM

I just realized that Daphne was the only non-white character on the entire show.

And she was just a bit player.

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by Anonymousreply 316June 23, 2022 5:13 AM

For whatever flaws the original US QAF may have had, it was a special show at a special time for many of us. A 'gay' show about gay men and putting gay sex front and center. The gay Melrose Place...perfectly stated.

So much since then just feels too safe, saccharine, or pretentious...let alone completely void of any real sex appeal. "Looking" was as boring and un-sexy as it gets. The worst. The new QAF might as well just be Pose.

by Anonymousreply 317June 23, 2022 6:01 AM

The original actors didn't all hate each other at the end of the show. If they did they certainly hid it well. I understood most of them were unhappy with the showrunners by then, and Randy Harrison was vocal about that during the last season. Hal Sparks was never popular with the rest of the main cast. He and Harold were billetted together when they first moved to Toronto and that was clearly a big mistake. Personality was doubtless an issue, but also the word was Sparks thought he was going to be the star because Vince [Michael] in the UK original is the show's main POV. He got his nose out of joint because the fans went wild for the Brian/Justin pairing, which is much more minimal and less romanticised in the UK series, and the showrunners ran with it, making him a second string player.

The other four guys all seemed to be fine with each other at the end, and certainly there were reports after it ended of them going to each other's plays etc. Thea did have some gripe with the show but IDK why.

by Anonymousreply 318June 23, 2022 7:19 AM

R311 and R312, you aren't alone, count me in as another one.

by Anonymousreply 319June 23, 2022 7:53 AM

So on Showtime, QAF is now up to the episode where Uncle Vic died.

I was shocked! I didn't know that they killed him off.

I guess he must have asked for regular cast billing, and they gave him the ax.

The final episode on Wednesday was kind of dark. Justin found out (by accident) that Brian went for cancer treatment, and when Brian found out that Justin kept it from him, he kicked him out of the apartment. Like, he literally threw him out!

It was confusing why he did that.

by Anonymousreply 320June 23, 2022 11:14 AM

R313... how I SO SO wanted hunter to give ben a mind blowing brain mushed greatest blowjob ever and then they find out who is who and the emotions when hunter moves in with ben and michael... that would have been so damn kinky wicked hot!..

by Anonymousreply 321June 23, 2022 1:25 PM

Damn R321, that would have been hot.

Oh, and I forgot how super hot Matt Battaglia was on this show.

I'm seeing how he met Emmett and hooked up for him the first time, and it was crazy sexy.

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by Anonymousreply 322June 24, 2022 6:07 AM

Matt has a nice ass too.

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by Anonymousreply 323June 24, 2022 6:08 AM

R322, that was one of the first scenes I ever saw in this show, and I nearly rubbed myself raw over it, haha.

by Anonymousreply 324June 24, 2022 7:36 AM

American (Canadian) version sucked. Cagney as the mother was funny from time to time, though. Otherwise, boring, sorta soft core porn for gays. And really what is the point of that??

by Anonymousreply 325June 24, 2022 7:47 AM

Most of them were horrid actors and the characterizations were one dimensional. The way they would just randomly start swearing with no pathos or conviction.

by Anonymousreply 326June 24, 2022 10:23 AM

R322... add in the fact that it was "effeminate" emmett who was the one who seduced the closeted macho straight acting football star into being his lover! and coming back for more! love the whole power control role reversal... However, I do wish that at least one scene had the football stud going down on emmett after kissing his body and so on... now THAT would have been off the charts hot hot hot!.... seeing the handsome football stud on his knees submissively and horny so horny blowing emmett, imagine the power trip thrill emmett would have had looking down and seeing this and of course feeling it!....

would like to have seen as well the two going at it in the shower, in a hot bubble bath and others places and so on...

by Anonymousreply 327June 24, 2022 12:16 PM

I am with you all R311, R312 and R319

The sex scenes were boring soft core porn and rarely had anything to do with the plot. We knew Brian and Justin had sex so the scenes did not serve any narrative purposes other than to show how "racy" the series was.

Once Justin got banged on his back and straight people realized that missionary was a popular position, there wasn't much place to go.

As for the actors, they've been doing Cons with obsessed fans in Europe for years--frauen will pay big bucks to have dinner with the actors and get their pictures taken with them.

by Anonymousreply 328June 24, 2022 1:02 PM

Also the surprise anal all seemed t involve men with self-lubricating asses as we rarely if ever saw lube, just condoms.

by Anonymousreply 329June 24, 2022 1:03 PM

For years I have seen complaints here that gay men are never shown having sex in tv roles. Along comes QAF and it’s “Eww, too much sex!”

by Anonymousreply 330June 24, 2022 1:40 PM

It wasn't that it was too much R330, it was that it was gratuitous -- it wasn't "Brian and Justin are having a romantic dinner, cut to them in the bedroom after" - it was "After the opening credits we see Justin blowing Brian. Once he cums, we cut to two different characters in a work setting and the reason for and context of the blowjob are never explained"

by Anonymousreply 331June 24, 2022 2:06 PM

For me, sex scenes get dull very quickly if they are clearly just there to titillate rather than to move the plot along. Which is no different actually to any other scene that is gratuitous, to be honest. You can have a show with steamy sex scenes that are still relevant and well done, without going crazy with them.

I'm noticing this sort of thing on my rewatch of The L Word, interestingly. I'm not into women at all, so there's very little for me to enjoy about the scenes. But I'd say a good 50% of them actually are telling a story as they are happening and so they are interesting from that perspective. The other 50% have me looking at my phone or going to the kitchen or something until they are done, because they're not important to the storyline and therefore bore me. But they do have several scenes I can discuss as being well shot and vital/pertinent to a storyline.

I am hard pressed to name more than a couple of such scenes in the US QaF, if I'm honest.

by Anonymousreply 332June 24, 2022 3:04 PM

[quote]I understood most of them were unhappy with the showrunners by then, and Randy Harrison was vocal about that during the last season.

Given the spotty quality of the first four seasons, it's interesting to hear that the actors didn't become unhappy with the scripts until the last season but okay. Unlike many of you here, I always thought the cast itself was fine, they were just too often done in by low-rent, subpar writing. In fact, watching the series again now after all of these years (I think I mentioned previously in this thread that I haven't seen it since it originally went off the air in 2005), I think it's a shame that the producers/writers chose soap opera/soft porn over a more insightful drama about gay life in America (but then, I suppose that's what "Looking" was going for and it wasn't considered a great artistic success either, so who the hell knows).

by Anonymousreply 333June 25, 2022 5:39 AM

The L Word definitely has a lot of gratuitous sex. On QAF, they are at least real or real enough. On the L Word, the women are so overcome with lust that one will finger bang the other, the one doing the fingering quivering in ecstasy. I always though this was very unrealistic, women acting animalistic like men in public toilets, etc. Also, it cannot be that pleasurable to finger someone. Lesbians, cares to weigh in on this?

by Anonymousreply 334June 25, 2022 6:37 AM

Ahh, but so many of Jenny's sex scenes in the first season are fantastic because Kirchner's acting shows you a range of emotions in this young woman discovering she is a lesbian, and also having a breakdown. I thought they were great.

The final sex scene of Tina and Bette in season 1 was so important because it comes after Tina has found out about Bette's betrayal, and it involves Tina turning the tables. It's uncomfortable at times, close to an assault, but I think works well.

Later in the series there was a scene where Shane and Paige are fucking, interspersed with a 1950s fantasy of their life together, which told us, without Shane having to say anything, how fruitless this relationship would be for her.

Those are just a few of the ones I thought were great. As I said, other times I'm looking at my phone, haha.

by Anonymousreply 335June 25, 2022 10:44 AM

[quote]Given the spotty quality of the first four seasons, it's interesting to hear that the actors didn't become unhappy with the scripts until the last season but okay.

I didn't say they were ONLY unhappy with the showrunners in the last season; I was commenting on a post that said they hated each other at the end of the show, so I was commenting on their feelings at that time. They were all pretty much unknowns except Sparks and the older players, so enthusiasm for the big roles might have carried them through the first season or two, but I imagine those who went off the showrunners started to do so around the time the better writers left, at the end of Season 1. By the end of the show some of them were prepared to be open about it, but as you'd expect they tried to be professional when doing publicity while it was filming.

by Anonymousreply 336June 25, 2022 3:11 PM

I'm starting to see why the show ended at season five.

QAF's run on Showtime is almost done (it ends on June 30). They've been showing three to four episodes per day for the entire month of June.

Friday's episodes were the final ones from season four and the first episode of season five.

Season four ended with a "Liberty House Bike Ride" to raise funds for an AIDS hospice house. Mel and Linds broke up while Mel was having her baby, Carl proposed to Debbie, and Ben and Michael got married in Canada. It ended with Brian recovering from cancer while doing the 300 mile bike ride, and Justin accepting an offer to move to LA long-term.

Everything was just coming to its natural conclusion.

However, the first episode of season five was a shocker. Poor Emmett was clearly losing his hair (very quickly), Ted was gaining weight (I think that the actor who played him had just turned 40), and everybody was looking more "mature."

I can't wait to see Monday's shows because Season 5 episode 1 ended with Brian buying Babylon! I don't think I ever caught the final season of this show, so it'll be like watching it for the first time.

by Anonymousreply 337June 25, 2022 4:28 PM
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