Bowen Yang’s Fire Island trailer

It's impossible to make a "socially relevant production" set amidst a gaggle of shirtless homos having a decadent weekend on a resort island. They whine about their beach bodies, and how they can't drink as much as they used to, and how they're torn between a hung sex-idiot and a career fag who makes them feel slow and inadequate. It's a very, very narrow slice of the American Pie who spends their time doing this, and the problems of this little group aren't too relatable for the rest of us.

Also: Ugh, Margaret Cho?

Yeah no I think I'll just stick of the Fire Island series of 70's pornos....way less cringy/

Reading the headline I thought it was Tasteful Friends about a trailer that Bowen Yang bought on Fire Island. Which would be way more interesting than this dreck.

It seems like a relic from the 00s like Broken Hearts Club.

They should have made it a campy slasher like Psycho Beach Party.

Interesting Asian cast, given that it's actually very rare to see an Asian on Fire Island.

I don't relate to any of these characters.

This trailer is a perfect example of why so many gay men shun the "gay community" nowadays.

I haven't been out there in ages so yeah it reminds me of the 2000s when I used to go. I always loved the Island in those days. I want to see this movie and maybe I will make it our this year as an eldergay.

"Crazy Bitch Asians"

Why won't Bowen Yang go away? There is literally nothing appealing about him.

I wouldn’t look at these people in a bar, let alone on a movie screen.

[quote]I don't relate to any of these characters.

Yawn.

I'll watch it on a warm summer evening sipping a mint julep and polishing my French silver while waiting for my midnight appointment with a horse-hung Ivoirien. Such is my sad life I'm sure the movie can't be worse. Conrad Ricamora is worth watching. I think Bowen Yang can be funny but it doesn't seem promising in that clip, which seems whiny.

God, it looks awful.

Bowen and his crew are part of the NYC gay mentality that says you have no choice *but* to go to Fire Island. This would be a very short movie if someone said to them, “you know there are a lot of other places to go and spending all your time trying to fit in here is probably a big reason you’re feeling so miserable.”

The odds of Bowen Yang scoring a hot white doctor on Fire Island are the same as me getting to suck Jamie Dornan's cock.

Do you think Bowen even considered a non-white actor for his romantic interest?

This reminds me of when someone on here wrote parody lyrics of “I Enjoy Being A Girl” for Chrysanthemum Tran where she confessed she just wanted a white cis-man.

Is it possible to show a group of gay men who don't refer to themselves as woman ? I don't. No one I know does but that is all you see.

They've found another project for Margaret Cho? I'm thrilled.

I feel awful saying this but Bowen can't act. He just seems like the miserable Asian guy in everything.

"Oh, my God, I have the most hilarious idea for this scene. Okay, so we're all at this Fire Island tea dance, and I see this really hot white guy across the dance floor looking at me. You with me so far? And he makes me really nervous. Can you picture it? Okay, so I try and act cool and...hang on...you're gonna love this...I trip and fall down in front of him! Are you dying of hysterical laughter yet? And then...and this ties the whole thing up...he comes over to help me and tells me he's a doctor! Oh, my God, I'm a comedy genius!"

Margaret Cho referring to gay men as girls ✔️

A Clueless reference in script ✔️

Whiny squealing cliches for men ✔️

Is this from the DL queer movie auto generator?

This looks INSUFFERABLE

Look, I love me some Bowen Yang. I follow him on social media. He's hysterical on that Awkafina show, and I like his podcast. I wish him nothing but the best with this film. Big ups for the Asian representation as well.

HOWEVER

I wouldn't watch a movie about Fire Island UNLESS the plot involved infiltration by a terrorist organization and all attendees are forced to kill each other Battle Royale style.

WAIT...his love interest is a white dude? You're kidding? ALL of this Asian repping and he falls for a white guy?

...Sounds about right.

I fucking hate these kinds of movies. Most gay men don't have a *fierce posse of gay bitches* on either side of the aisle — the average looking cynical outcasts or the haughty Hell's Kitchen headless torsos — yet there's a tiny subset of privileged filmmakers in Hollywood persisting to make the gay Madea happen. The only people that will watch this are single straight women.

Are there still a lot of rice queens out there? In the 80s, my Filipino roommate would take me to the Star Sapphire bar in the East 50s. It made him feel pretty when the borderline homely Caucasian boys with names like Tim and Edward would fawn all over him. Neither being Asian nor into Asian boys myself, I was radioactive there. Having a race fetish makes it easy for the average-to-homely gay man to hook up.

R27 Do you say the same thing about a race fetish when it comes to whites who'll only fuck blacks or blacks who'll only fuck whites? Or is your derision reserved purely for Asians?

LIE DOWN WITH DOGS, but with Gaysians!

It is meant to be a documentery ladies. How accurate are similiar straight films?

[quote]Interesting Asian cast, given that it's actually very rare to see an Asian on Fire Island.

First thing I thought of. Fire Island is 99% white.

When I lived in a small town in the late nineties/early aughts, I pretty much exclusively hung out in gay places because it was the only place to feel free. The great part about moving to NYC, for me, was that I didn’t have to ghettoize myself. I honestly think doing so is a reason why so many gay men feel dissatisfied as they age. How can you be happy if you’re constantly chasing youth and dick and the same cocktails set to the same music surrounded by the same shirtless uniform? I try not to judge it, but it’s odd to me.

[quote] In the 80s, my Filipino roommate would take me to the Star Sapphire bar in the East 50s.

Did that bar later change its name to The Web?

Horrible old cliches...does anyone really relate to this crap? Nice to see Conrad, however...

It's not different than comedies like "Wedding Crashers" or "American Pie", just really really gay.

Bowen is getting all of my roles...

It looks so dated, like something from the 90s.

[quote] I fucking hate these kinds of movies. Most gay men don't have a *fierce posse of gay bitches* on either side of the aisle — the average looking cynical outcasts or the haughty Hell's Kitchen headless torsos — yet there's a tiny subset of privileged filmmakers in Hollywood persisting to make the gay Madea happen. The only people that will watch this are single straight women.

It reminds me of Russell T Davies reacting to criticism of Queer As Folk when it aired 23 years ago. He said he’d read a complaint saying ‘this doesn’t reflect my lift, I don’t party every night or take drugs or get drunk, I go to bed and read a book’ and RTD replied along the lines of ‘well the who fuck would make a tv show out of that’

[quote] In the 80s, my Filipino roommate would take me to the Star Sapphire bar in the East 50s.

Nothing is gayer than Star Sapphire!

Joel Kim Booster and Matt Rogers are hot as hell but the only way I'd see this movie is if they'd recreate the final scene in Requiem for a Dream.

Provincetown is much better than Fire Island.

Some of you never went to Fire Island and the Pines. It is at least 50-70% "posses". That's the foundation of everything. So this is very realistic for those two locales. It may not be your cup of tea, but you can't deny it exists. And it is not all "a list" posses either.

R41 and Cefalù and Cascais are better than Provincetown.

Will it end again in a meth/bareback porn orgy in two installments?

Remember when Bowen and Dan Levy hooked up?

If Bowen actually went to Fire Island he'd be bullied into at least an eating disorder. And that'd be funnier than this movie.

R27: The same for San Francisco.

[quote]I fucking hate these kinds of movies. Most gay men don't have a *fierce posse of gay bitches* on either side of the aisle — the average looking cynical outcasts or the haughty Hell's Kitchen headless torsos — yet there's a tiny subset of privileged filmmakers in Hollywood persisting to make the gay Madea happen. The only people that will watch this are single straight women.

Dude, it's a comedy and not a documentary. Unclench and bullshit you won't watch. You will.

There's a reason it's considered a rom-com and not a documentary, hell it's not even reality TV (remember that show produced by Kelly Ripa and her husband?).

Yeah the audience is largely flyover fraus who find Bowen HILARIOUS.

[quote] and Cefalù and Cascais are better than Provincetown.

Those are gay towns?

So I have been listening to Bowen Yang and Matt Roger's podcast Las Culturistas, and they have quickly devolved from catering to a mostly gay male audience to catering to a mostly progressive female audience. Take a quick guess which demo is more expansive and lucrative. This movie reads the same -- it's a woman's idea of what it's like to be a gay man. This comes with the very feminine rom-com tropes. Like the hug (reminiscent of a mother hugging her child that escaped from a burning building) at the beginning between Bowen and Joel read as "straight female gaze". Like I don't even think lesbians are that dramatic.

"U Rang?"- The pilot episode introduces Ping Dong (Bowen Yang) a gay call center Manager transferred to a remote town in Idaho. Chubby faghags Braelynne, Jaelin and Raylen (Beanie Feldstein, Gabourey Sidibe and Ricky Lake) quickly adopt him- but he runs afoul of everyone else! Especially the homophobic Regional Manager (Tom Arnold). Also starring George Takei as Papa.

It's completely unrealistic that Tom Arnold would book an acting job in 2022.

R28 How dare you drag my derision into all of this!

"Unapologetic" = "we know this is bad and we don't care."

This isn't a movie about the average gay guy living his life in flyoverland, it's a a movie about NY gays who go to Fire Island in the summer r26.

Everybody in that movie is so fucking gross. Who wants to think about Bowen Yang having sex?

You have a point R58 but its a mean point and the movie is going to cover it exhaustively. Its a plot point that Bowen feels no value on the meat market.

You just know Bowen Yang has a dirty asshole.

As expected, "Fire Island" seems to be EXACTLY the same as "To My Girls"! They both wanted to use the title "White: Bad"

The exact same dreary trauma of POC gays (who only do white gay things) shrieking about how white gays are ruining their lives and robbing them of all self worth, while the white gays aren't paying them any mind at all!

The same girly, mincing, performative lazy gay stereotypes and all the characters doing their "Hey gurl" best embracing their demanded shitty dialogue about "We're all FAMILY!", and 'We've ALL been friends for so long!" while they barely appear to be in their thirties!

All the white gays are "CIS GAY WHITE OPPRESSORS!", while the non whites are "Deserving Queers". It's all so preposterous, offensive and DULL. It looks like more woke Queer bullshit.

r61 sums it up nicely.

[quote]Are there still a lot of rice queens out there?

I bet they won't even let one of the Asian characters utter the phrase "Rice Queen" even to sneer at the (very real) subset! Far too triggering to the Gen Z audience!

Another quick observation is the ageism on display. Fire Island Pines has a large percentage of gay men in their 40s, 50s and older. Who the hell do you think can afford to vacation there, yet I can see none of the characters or even extras is a day over thirty six!

So Margaret Cho built her entire career based on being a fag hag in real life?

That skit at R52 was fucking hysterical.

I'd watch that movie.

R58 I mean...that's pretty fucked up. "So fucking gross"? Is it because they're not "YOUR type" or because they ALL have oozing sores covering their faces?

An accurate Fire Island movie would look like this

Whereas complaining that everything is "TOO WOKE" is not tired at all r61.

No way, r60. Look at him. I bet you could eat breakfast off of that thing.

It actually looks cute!

I like that it seems to be addressing the isolation gay Asians often feel because they aren't accepted by their families or by gays.

Looking forward to watching.

[quote]—Can we make THAT stop

You first!

What exactly did I observe that isn't so? Are your pronouns "Unpleasant/Undateable"?

I did the Pines for years and had a lot of fun.

I’m a hung top Black dude and had no problems at all getting action.

I’m all about diversity, but I wish these characters and all the press surrounding it didn’t have to be all about how racist white gays are. Why can’t they just tell a story about Asian men and let it be that? It reeks of insecurity.

And also I did notice that the one Black dude is fat, “sassy” and completely sexless. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

And also JK Booster is HOT but my God are the rest of them FUG.

JK Booster is beautiful and I think Matt Rogers is cute, too, and looks to be well cast as the “Lydia” of the group.

I love that Bowen Yang cast himself as the Jane - the sweetest and most beautiful of the sisters? To quote this movie: “Girl!”

Bowen would actually probably have been a scream as a Fire Island Lady Catherine, a character who would actually be a much more interesting gay Asian foil for Booster’s Elizabeth.

Matt Rogers is very cute as long as he never opens his mouth to speak.

It's not going to be as good as "Flower Drum Song".

I laughed at the Heads Up joke at the end. Conrad Ricamora is sexy. I loved the director’s previous movie, Driveways.

I’ll watch but if this were the real deal Searchlight would be sending it to theaters, not Hulu.

You know you're an eldergay when you can remember when Margaret Cho was actually funny

Lived half my life ten minutes away from the ferry and never went over. Sorta like living in NY and never going to the Statue Of Liberty. The Hamptons, well that was different.

But are the Hamptons actually fun and sexy, or just dreary and pretentious?

Yet somehow Call Me By Your Name is revered here. Make it make sense DataLounge….

It is?

[quote]And also I did notice that the one Black dude is fat, “sassy” and completely sexless. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

Coincidence!??? It is a LAW! ANY "Queer" cast (including the overpraised "Angels in America") MUST by LAW have a SASSY BLACK FEMME QUEER man as one of the main gay characters! Bonus points are given if he is the sexless conscience of the piece, really just the modern take on the "Magical Negro" trope of old Hollywood!

I mean for Christ's sake, have you ever even met anyone named "Belize"?

Looks like a group of stereotypical fruits to me.

No thanks.

[quote]So Margaret Cho built her entire career based on being a fag hag in real life?

That, and" Ass Master."

You would have to be over 40 to really remember Margaret Cho.

[quote]But are the Hamptons actually fun and sexy, or just dreary and pretentious?

Sexy? I was a kid and then as a teen I had zero interest in having sex with some stranger in the middle of the AIDS crisis. So sexy wasn't a factor.

R80 I mean...you're kidding, right?

so, that DL thread about bleach blonde asian's fat friend rejected by muscle guys was made into a movie?

I'll check it out.

r88 rejected by MASCULAR guys. MASCULAR.

r90 Ah, thank you. I was trying to remember how to find that thread.

I don't find anybody in this film attractive.

So?....

R92: The bitchy queen, in the red speedos, with the meaty ass.

Review

I have to give Hulu some credit for featuring gay and lesbian films. That lesbian Christmas movie Happiest Season wasn't all that great, but at least Hulu distributed the film instead of it ending up in limbo.

So the Hollywood Reporter only allows a gay reporter to review the film? From R95's link:

[quote] In terms of gay destinations, I’ll confess I go for the relatively mellow vibe of Provincetown over the circuit-party hedonism of Fire Island. But even if the glossily rendered setting is not your scene, there’s a lot to like here. Charlie, the pretty white guy, is not the prize but instead, after a bunch of dumb missteps, has to prove he’s worthy of Howie’s affections. That in itself feels like a plus in a pleasurable mainstream entertainment that puts queer characters of color first ...

Huh r97? It's a good thing they had a gay writer do their review, I'm not sure what you are upset about.

So this is like Crazy Rich Asians, but Gays on Fire Island?

Uhh, how are they at all similar r99? Just because the main characters are Asian...

What did Bowen Yang do?

Oh, shut your pie holes. We're all going to watch it.

Of course r102. Though I suspect the "Bros" one starring white guys will be more popular on this board...

Based on that review I’ll watch it. Sounds more interesting than the trailer made it out to be.

[quote]The notion that neither Charlie nor Will, who’s biracial Asian, would be unduly troubled by the classist, racist meanness of their housemates becomes hard to swallow. But it’s essential to the plot mechanics and makes it all the more gratifying when they finally do come to their senses and shrug off the disapproval of Cooper and company.

[quote]Ultimately, it also works because the screenplay is sufficiently rooted in personal experience to touch on the openly discriminatory way in which a lot of white power gays dismiss “otherness” of any kind. There are also amusing digs at the opposite extreme, the fetishization of Asian men by white serial “rice queens.” It’s to the filmmakers’ credit that those elements are smoothly woven into the mix, never preachy.

"Never preachy"!

Let's wait and see.

R100 So this like Joy Luck Club, but Gays on Fire Island?

Better?

I think it's more like Flower Drum Song, but Gays on Fire Island.

It's funny how none of the reviewers get to the MEAT of the issue.

I've been seeing more reviews coming out:

Most seem positive

I know Hollywood Reporter's was posted; here's Variety's.

So far Slant's 2 1/2 stars is the lowest I've seen:

[quote] I'll watch it on a warm summer evening sipping a mint julep and polishing my French silver while waiting for my midnight appointment with a horse-hung Ivoirien. Such is my sad life I'm sure the movie can't be worse. Conrad Ricamora is worth watching. I think Bowen Yang can be funny but it doesn't seem promising in that clip, which seems whiny.

r13 Oh Darlin! You are someone I would love to know.

How is this coming out before Billy’s big movie, isn’t this undermining his whole campaign about it being a very special gay rom com movie?

So, are we actually going to see Bowen’s yang in this movie or just his butt?

Everyone is media is afraid of calling these woke "entertainments" dull, preachy, or just bad.

You really want to see either of those, R116?

An abomination of a film.

No one is into Asians ever since China unleashed covid on the world.

in the literally hundreds of times I've travelled to the Grove or the Pines on the ferry did I ever see anyone take of their shirt

R117 I think most people stopped reading your post up to the word "Woke" used incorrectly as usual.

Does the overweight, effeminate Black guy get any love in this?

R123 Of course not! The fat effeminate ones are just their for comic relief.

A decent review here.

[quote] So far Slant's 2 1/2 stars is the lowest I've seen:

Slant?! RACIST.

R113 'Slant'... how appropriate under the circumstances.

[quote] [R123] Of course not! The fat effeminate ones are just their for comic relief.

So, that is why Bowen is always cast in these parts? He's just starting to get so sad.

[quote] The fat effeminate ones are just their for comic relief.

The dumb ones who don't know the difference between there, their and they're are of course, too ugly and stupid to ever appear on screen.

Me Love You Long Time.

So was this whole movie built around Bowen?

Considering Joel Kim Booster wrote it and plays the primary lead, it would seem the whole thing was built around him.

So many racist whites on this forum who have a problem with us people of color existing. These white supremacists are literally repeating the dangerous far right “replacement theory” bullshit. Why is this allowed?

It’ll be interesting to see if a movie that is based on Pride and Prejudice (which has tons to say about the ways in which parents fail and sabotage their children) and celebrates “chosen family” will deal with any of the real life trauma that Booster and Yang experienced with their homophobic parents (Booster was adopted by a family of white evangelicals and essentially ended up homeless when they found out he was gay as a teenager and Yang’s Chinese immigrant parents put him in conversion therapy) or if “hot white gay A listers are mean to us” is the sum total of the problems facing their characters.

Seems like Fire Island is very year 2000. Curious if gay boys still go there - or if it’s all eldergays now. Have gone a few times since - but the absence of decent hotels makes it clique-y by nature. The crap hotels aren’t worth the obscene cost.

I do think it’s beautiful - so much better than the Jersey, or DE, shore. And much more fun - and car free - than the Hamptons.

Provincetown is SO much better than that shallow elitist mess that is Fire Island. Ptown is very chill and laid back and nobody gives a shit how much $$$ you have.

Didn't Fire Island burn down once?...think it could happen again?

I don't know what you mean r136. Both Provincetown and Fire Island are quite expensive and you need to either be successful or have moneyed daddy paying for you.

Provincetown just has more to do, but is less gay. Fire Island is truly basically all gay at the Pines/Grove in a way Ptown is not

r138 it's more laid back

[quote]So far Slant's 2 1/2 stars is the lowest I've seen:

Ohmygawd, a movie with mainly all Asian cast is being reviewed by... "Slant" Magazine!?

[quote]So far Slant's 2 1/2 stars is the lowest I've seen:

Chink gave it 2 stars and Gook gave it 1 1/2.

Pretty gays being mean gays, and any not pretty gays being sassy and/or wise.

“On Saturday night in Austin, Texas, Ted Nugent opened for Donald Trump with a kind of love song: “I love you people madly, but I’d love you more if you went forward and just went berserk on the skulls of the Democrats and the Marxists and the communists.” This was hours after an 18-year-old white supremacist terrorist—his words—in Buffalo, New York, walked into a Tops supermarket, in a zip code he allegedly chose for having “the highest Black percentage that is close enough to where I live,” and allegedly shot 13 people, 11 of them Black, 10 of them now dead.“ This is hideously violent, especially for someone opening for a man who just finished being President and may have been inciting a violent attempt at a coup on January 6th. Why would he let a man opening for him incite mass murder?

It still doesn’t mean I agree with hormone therapy for kids - I don’t. They would be better served by reducing misogyny and homophobia in society. They shouldn’t have to suffer irreversible health consequences in an effort not to be picked on. All the talk about becoming your true self by undergoing medical treatments that will change you in unknown ways is like virtual reality in a way. You don’t like your body, try a different look. Only it’s not really a game, and it’s not so perfect, and in real life you age and naturally become less androgynous than in your youth and none of the ideas of blaming one unrelated external factor for you being unhappy actually usually play out in a great way. And that’s much more true if you never had a physical cause for your dysphoria, because intersex people have taken hormones to look more like their chosen sex, mostly happily, for years. My college girlfriend transitioned, 20 years ago. She was no more masculine than me - like me she grew up with brothers, so of course sometimes played games that are more popular with boys than girls. But she wasn’t a man, and she didn’t look like a man after transitioning either. She just looked like a woman with a bold style and leather jackets. I don’t understand why being called a man suddenly mattered to her at the age of 20 when it hadn’t before and the decision seemed sudden. I’m androgynous too, and my family still calls me by the name I used to go by in my cross dressing period, which is a male name. But I never changed my pronouns even at the height of it, and the things my girlfriend embraced, I rejected. Because for me it was about internalized misogyny, which I never said out loud during that time and would have vehemently denied, but it was how I felt inside nonetheless. It wasn’t gender dysphoria, it was associations about maleness and femaleness that I had while growing up. I felt better when I let go of trying to label myself as anything, especially something I wasn’t in the most literal sense.

A queer Asian revolution is happening in Hollywood and, honestly, it’s about damn time:

Ugh!! I am so frustrated with Bowen Yang. He's on SNL and has this opportunity to put out something, ANYTHING different, and he puts this cliche out. The gaggle of gays, of course Bowen meets the NYC hot, white, MD. The neon pink, the hag, Fire Island - it would be a total 90's film except one would come out POZ and everyone would rally around him. Where's Jeffrey?

I would love to see something like Basic Instinct starring gay men. A taught psychological thriller with hot, steamy sex, an edge of your seat plot, and high production value. Is that so much to ask. The only way a gay film gets a major theatrical release is if it is neutered to get the frau crowd and maybe their boyfriends out for a laugh. All we've got is Brokeback Mountain.

My first thought on seeing the trailer was "this looks so 90s." It just seems so dated.

R146 I thought the same thing. Looks terrible.

Of course a hot rich white guy is the ultimate prize, the one who everyone wants to fuck and marry.

Is Margaret Cho just there to hand out the lube?

R124 the same could be said of the Gaysian guys who probably won't get laid either

Bowan Yang is talent free.

Ew, the age old story of Asians only chasing whites while telling whites they MUST be attracted to Asians. Babe, I've seen Asian cock and I'm not about that lack of size.

and charm free as well R151

Bowen Yang reminds me of Lena Waithe. Promoted for weird reasons having nothing to do with talent or audience appeal.

R144 AGREED. I'm here for it. Too bad muck like this is leading the pack. I mean...not only is it a rom-com (minus 1000 pts) but it's filled to brim with stereotypes.

I convinced myself to give this a chance admitting that I'm being an asshole being so dismissive--especially as a gay POC--because despite the term "Woke" being thrown around like a football by...others...I'm happy about THIS. Good for Yang and Booster. I don't know shit about "Asian gay culture" (save your eyeball rolling IDGAF) and I loved to.

HOWEVER...

I couldn't get beyond the Hulu trailer. I just COULD NOT.

"Representation MATTERS!!!!" "Let US tell OUR STORIES!!!!"

SCREEEEECH!

Ok, then when they finally do tell "their own stories" they somehow manage to tell the same hackneyed, whitewash of a frigging gay Hallmark movie anyway. Can someone tell me what they were doing before this, because it wasn't working on their writing or storytelling!

Good interview with Joel Kim Booster and Billy Eichner on their respective films.

The "Aren't I Great" poses really get them off to a good start.

[quote] "Their fresh takes on the gay rom-com."

Do gay men want rom coms? There is nothing wrong if you do. I think being gay has given me perhaps a darker perspective on life in some ways. I am more into Araki. Every amazing, humanizing, sexual and realistic portrayl of gay life has been foreign filmmakers. America really is a very prudish and puritanical country.

It’s 11:58 on June 2, will I be able to watch it in two minutes?

Joel Kim Booster's sourpuss pose really makes me want to see his movie!

How is this ugly talentless queen a thing?

l like Bowen Yang but I don't want to rim him.

[quote]Ugh!! I am so frustrated with Bowen Yang. He's on SNL and has this opportunity to put out something, ANYTHING different, and he puts this cliche out.

What are you talking about "put out something"? He is a hired hand here, He didn't write, produce or direct this. Give him a couple million dollars and he'll work for you.

Girls we haven't even seen it yet. Maybe we will all love it.

Going by the trailers R165 no one will love these movies, except maybe the vapid mannequins depicted in them.

Watching it now. It’s actually pretty cute. All do the actors are well served because they are basically playing themselves. Bowen Yang works because he is playing the same whiny-voiced guy with self esteem issues that seems to be his true personality.

Yes R167 I can’t imagine that Bowen has much range.

R168 Did someone say "range?" What's cooking in it?

I’m sorry, I love Bowen to bits, but he doesn’t have the range!

IMDB says Bowen is Australian. Where's the accent?

Both Billy and his movie come off as weirdly aggressive.

Barfaroni in a can.

The movie was light fluff, but I came out of it with the takeaway I expected, which is that total immersion into this contrived gay culture is what is making these guys miserable. I actually don’t believe Conrad Ricamora’s character would have anything to do with this scene, but the true plot of the movie for the others is that this place they see as a fantasyland is actually harmful to their happiness and self-worth.

So the big revelation is meant to be that Fire Island is a shallow place? Wow, M Night Shyamalan could only dream of such a twist.

No fats no femmes no Asians

R176 so no Bo Wen Yang?

Fire Island needs to live up to its name and burst into flames.

R175 Well we already know those Queens in the sun all the time age super fast.

Well this wasn’t the best film I’ve ever seen but it was funny, sincere and genuine.

Much better than the Michael Urie film.

A bunch of obnoxious Brooklyn fraus and their brats that I used to work with would go to fire island every summer. Do they take a different ferry than the gays?

R180 A 2-hour video of hangnail removal would be better than that Michael Urie film.

r181, possibly. The two communities on the eastern side of the island are the gay ones, but the rest of the island is pretty straight, with plenty of families. And yes, there are different ferries.

Does it end with them setting fire to the island and burning it all down?

I must admit I've always wanted a gaggle of gays, but it just never worked out for me. This is often the consequence of being devastatingly handsome. Jealousy abound and projections from others that are often incorrect. Also, shyness or quietness does not necessarily equal a snob. Still, I bet on the wrong horse in my 20's - hot women as friends. Now they are married and hating their children and I have no friends to go to Fire Isand with.

I'm only 15 mins in and it's revolting.

None of these people would be friends in real life.

I hope the nelly, mincing queen gets eaten by a tick-infested deer.

If I had to say something positive about the trailer, Maragrate Cho looks really good. She lost weight and looks better than she has in some time. I only watched the trailer once so recollections may vary.

I'm hate-watching at this point. It's so awful and makes me embarrassed to be homo.

R186 you made me laugh. I plan on hate watching it too

In what universe would that hot doctor be into Bowen Yang?

The same universe where Luke Evans can't stop fucking Billy Porter.

I fell asleep multiple times for about 60% of the movies. Was it ever explained the connection between Jane Austen and the Gaysians, because that lost me from the very beginning?

Not one person has pointed out that this is Pride and Prejudice?

Does anyone die tragically?

Does Bowne's character die in grease fire while frying dumplings?

With Six you get eggroll !

Eggarorr

Gaysians are so wantonly, unapologetically thirsty for white cock.

I've noticed an increase in the Asian population in my city recently, not sure why, but I've also noticed more Asians clogging up my Grindr. I am so close to putting no rice in my profile, I'm a bottom therefore I have no need for an Asian.

I'm 30 minutes in. Why is Margaret Cho broke?

Just dying to find out!

.,.,

R200 In real life and having to appear in this dog and pony show, or her character in the movie?

Does Margaret do anal as well with the boys?

I thought Margaret was a minge muncher?

I don’t understand why the Brunch spot had a primary Asian waitstaff, was it sone type of theme restaurant?

Why is this a hate watch? Because it has two Asian leads? What the hell is wrong with the posters on this thread? I watched the movie and it’s fantastic. Legitimately good gay rom coms are rare, and this is a delightful watch. The screenplay is fun, the pacing is brisk, the characters are likable, and there’s legitimate chemistry between Will and Noah. The MUNA remake of Britney’s Sometimes is used to great effect. I dunno… what would you hateful trolls rather watch? Another Marvel movie? Sigh.

This is sort of cute but there’s not one authentic moment in it. Which makes it kind of odd that it’s being promoted as some kind of Asian-American experience. It should be called Phoney Island.

[quote]I've also noticed more Asians clogging up my Grindr

Well, if you'd clean the blades one in a while.

Why is it so empty looking, those ferries and T dances should have been packed?

COVID probably had an effect on the amount of extras they can have in a scene, I've noticed a lot of tv and film made during the pandemic feel empty.

I thought it was super cute in a sickening-sweet way. It should be called “File Isrand” though.

Did Fire Island limit the number of people that could be on the island during Covid?

I thought this was really cute and ended up being exactly what it set out to be: A frothy rom-com. The only downsides were that Bowen Yang basically spent the whole move whining, Conrad Ricamora played the "uptight" guy a little too well and I think it could have used a bit more of a biting/wink wink on current gay culture (Like, rich white gays are bad - we get it) - but the latter is minor. It was just trying to be a silly rom com and it did it!

I thought it was supposed to be like Austen, not a frothy rom com?

r214 That's what the makers told themselves

R 214 - the plot and structure were based on P&P (PNP?), but it took the tonality of a modern day rom com (with peripatetic moments of depth)

Why do Gay films based on classic literature have to be turned into throw away trash and not serious adaptations updated with Gay characters?

Because they're all trying to be gay Clueless.

Cluesless was trash to begin with, I’ve not understood the more recent embracing of that movie as some higher art form or having good performances. It’s an embarrassment that is better off left forgotten.

I ended up enjoying this. Opinions may vary.

R206 From ALL of the explicitly stated criticism in this thread, your ONLY takeaway is "because it has two Asian leads"?

You need to work on subtly.

I actually liked the movie a lot and found Margaret Cho touching in her speech about being alone as an old woman. It probably cut close to the bone for the elder gays on here I would imagine.

R,219 Oh sorry, for this I was thinking of the movie Clue based on the board game that seems to have come back in fashion for some godforsaken reason, not that delightful Alicia Silverstone vehicle.

[quote] Legitimately good gay rom coms are rare, and this is a delightful watch. The screenplay is fun, the pacing is brisk, the characters are likable, and there’s legitimate chemistry between Will and Noah.

Lol. R206. Your language is right out of a PR firm.

It's terrible! As if no one has seen a gay film before and used the same plot as the thousand gay films before this. BAD!

The great thing is it's an Asian first cast! Fabulous! It's about time! We have seen many White, AA and Latino films before.

I HATE the Yang's and the bowl hair cut guy's mouth shape! Yuck! HATE IT! The guy who plays stiff as a board Will is oddly hot! Very sexy guy with big teeth. Delish!

Does anyone know couples in real life where one is a screaming neurotic queen and the other is a quiet calm masculine guy (who is more attractive)? We keep seeing this pairing - Billy’s character with Luke in the Bros trailer, David and Patrick on schitt’s creek, and in this fire island movie does Bowen end up with some quiet white doctor (haven’t watched yet)?

I don’t know any real life gay couples like this - I know some straight ones but the neurotic wife is always way hotter and that’s seemingly why the husband puts up with it.

"You have to work of subtly."

Oh, dear.

As long as they established that ALL WHITE GAYS ARE BAD, I imagine most of you will find it worthy!

R228, I only watched the beginning so far, but I think “all white gays are bad” is not the message.

I thought it was a sweet movie. I think Bowen dialed his usual character way way down, and I liked him for the first time ever. He annoys me on SNL but here he was just a person, not some shrieking stereotype. I was surprised by how human everybody came off - the trailer played into the FLAMES but in context it wasn't that. The director did a good job evening out the tone, making it feel more human.

R226 They are just giving false-hope to snow queens and ugly old queens like Eichner..

The movie was fine. I liked the cast individually. Even Bowen.

My issuei is that I didn't buy the onscreen chemistry between the leads. And that, to me, is what every romcom has to have to be memorable.

Sidebar: I do think the White Men are the Devil trope is getting tired and needs to be retired. Quit making the villain's main source of evil his skin color.

But the main villain's issue wasn't his skin color, it was that he was a classist snob. Part of it was that JKB and his friend didn't "look" right but they made pains to show JKB's friends being drunken maniacs too so the rich dude's sneering made sense. And one of the big romance's was with a white dude, so the movie clearly isn't anti-white. Also that Nick Adams character -- who I assume is who we're calling "the villain" -- wanted to land the hot doctor himself, which was why he was acting so gross. There was that one side character who was always on the staircase asking who they were, he was def racist. But I don't think it's as cut and dry as y'all are making it -- the movie makes pains so it isn't

Nick Adams looked strange in the movie. Like he was always covered in butter or something.

Conrad Ricamora is the saving Grace of this movie. He brings a certain aura of maturity, dignity, and gravitas that the rest of the movie lacks. He is a great actor, and has the best character in the movie

It’s not a bad movie, but it’s riddled with 1998 tired stereotypes. It definitely makes Fire Island look like a horrible, vapid hedonistic scene.

R233 How DARE you rain on the poor, put upon white gay man's pity party. People are SO mean to them. They have feelings too, y'know.

“ The same girly, mincing, performative lazy gay stereotypes and all the characters doing their "Hey gurl" best embracing their demanded shitty dialogue about "We're all FAMILY!", and 'We've ALL been friends for so long!" while they barely appear to be in their thirties!”

THIS ⬆️

[quote] Cluesless was trash to begin with, I’ve not understood the more recent embracing of that movie as some higher art form or having good performances. It’s an embarrassment that is better off left forgotten.

I literally do not know one person under 45 who does not like Clueless. It got fantastic reviews when it came out, was a box-office hit and continues to be one of the most beloved movies from the 90's.

I believe "Fire Island" is based off of "Pride and Prejudice" where "Clueless" was based off of "Emma".

I loved Clueless, this not so much.

In reality, you are only gonna have a certain type of gay guy going to Fire Island. There is a type

Compared to the many gay movies at Outfest made for $20,000, released by TLA or that shithouse Breaking Glass Pictures, this was a masterpiece.

I'm not sure I'd put "it's better than microbudget films" on the poster

It’s okay

Oscar...

de la Renta!

That's faint praise R242

It's the movie everyone is talking about!

R246 it's still a step up. It's a solid film, a little heavy on the romcom cliches, but not bad.

Is it better than Billy's stereotypes on parade masterpiece?

R224- nope… I’m just a sentient and reasonably discerning moviegoer who isn’t going to unleash vitriol and lose my mind because the movie has the audacity to cast gay Asian men as leads. Or write about their experience.

Is there a director’s X rated version that will be eventually released?

Watching now - it’s fine but finding it hard to believe that a hot sweet doctor is immediately drawn to and hitting on Bowen the second they get to the island?

R252 yeah its a stretch but that's the romance genre. How often do we see people pursuing someone less attractive or (even wilder in my opinion) suitors overlooking INSANE behavior that would make anyone in the real world run for the hills?

Is this one of those so called enemies to lovers love stories?

R253 true.

Yes R254 for Joel but not for Bowen’s character. A hot doctor immediately falls for him.

It's Pride and Prejudice, Bowen is Jane with the sweet romance, JKB is Lizzie with the friends to lovers with his Mr. Darcy. "Lydia" gets plowed by "Wickham" who puts a sex tape on the internet without his consent.

I’m enjoying the supporting characters more than the leads.

The narration is way too much.

This is as good as any stupid straight rom com though.

R256 Is there a chart or graphics somewhere to better illuminate this?

I ended up liking it. But I have a soft spot for romcoms. Even uninspired ones.

I was the poster way upthread who asked how Cho lost the house. Was that explained? Did I miss it?

She just said she was bad with money.

Enjoyed it too even though it was silly.

She invested in Quibi.

r171 He said on his podcast that he was born in Australia. He grew up in Montreal and Colorado so that's why he doesn't have the accent.

R262 Interesting, then besides the plethora of Canadians is Bowen the only international not ready for Primetime player they’ve had?

I liked it more than I thought I would. It wasn’t preachy or woke, aside from the fact it tries to normalize the “monogamy is heteronormative and therefore bad!” gay meme. Yeah, I’m sure you’ll have a real happy ending with Will there, Noah. 🙄 Thank goodness the credits rolled when they did, because not 15 minutes later we would have MORE DRAMA!

So, Its message is it's okay to sleep around because we're gays and therefore enlightened, unlike the sad straight people?

It's a romcom. Why does it have to have a message?

Jane Austen has messages in all her books, if this is an updated Austen it better damn well have one.

I liked it. Solid romcom. Bowen Yang actually tugged at my heart strings, surprisingly. Conrad Ricamora is gorgeous. Totally forgot about him from how to get away with murder.

R232 - The "white men are the devil" trope is only tired to white gays. Gays of color connect with it, and will continue to do so, because it's real life experience. On the other side, gays of color are tired of the "white gays as the lead characters in everything" trope that has been around for decades since the dawn of modern gay-themed drama.

And truly, with minorities being vilified by white folks in films since the beginning of cinema a century ago, it's fascinating that some white folks can't take the slightest bit of critique after only a few years.

R269 You snow queens are pathetic and completely crazy, get therapy.

You make white guys the enemy but also the Prize. That is typical snow queen behavior. You are obsessed with them and yet hate them because most don’t want you. .

Oooooooo, R270 and R271 - got much white resentment there? lol! So sensitive! So easily triggered!

Also, "snow queen"? Hahahaha! How "groovy." The 1960s are calling!

I watched it last night. It was cute. It's pretty lightweight but fun enough. I wasn't completely sober though so that might factor in. I liked Joel Kim Booster. He's a good actor and handsome. He had real chemistry with his love interest.

It's getting a little attention for addressing class. Small favors? I liked the heroes were broke.

Except for maybe on character, it’s extremely stereotypical in gay portrayals. For those who aren’t cool with that, it’s likely an annoying movie

[quote] Also, "snow queen"?

The word Asians use for those who like white guys is "potato queen".

I’m fairly sensitive to the current erasure and/or demonization of “white gays,” but I didn’t find it overblown in this case. It seemed like they were more targeting wealthy, classist, body-shaming gays than they were white gays.

So this is what I on Hulu the other night. Didn’t expect much and it delivered.

Agree that it was more a class issue than a race thing. The conversations about race stuff were actually pretty measured. Plus Bowen ends up with a white guy and Joel is with a biracial guy at the end.

I couldn’t really relate to this scene. It just seemed so valid and annoying. It’s not a world I enjoy watching. As a movie, it was meh

"Erasure of white gays"? MY SIDES!

r276 And Asians who into other Asians are "sticky rice"

R279 In real like Joel Kim Booster dates nothing but white guys, Conrad Ricamora dates nothing but white guys, Bowen Yang dates nothing but white guys..

Yeah "Erasure of white gays" is just Replacement Theory nonsense -- I'm a white gay and I'm not threatened by other people being recognized and represented, we are not being fucking erased because other people are getting to share their experiences. White gays who whine about other voices being heard are insecure and pathetic.

I’m happy enough as a rich-ish white gay guy to see “rich white gays” get roasted (though I would posit that actual “rich rich” white gay thirtysomethings don’t make a religion out of Fire Island in 2022), but if all the Asian characters are broke starving artist types who didn’t get pressured to go to med school I would side-eye that a bit.

[quote] So this is what I on Hulu the other night.

It looks like you left out a word there between "I" and "on". Was it "masturbated"?

[quote] extremely stereotypical in gay portrayals

I don't know. I'm not pressed because I don't think it reflects on me personally. I'd hope people watching it would know it's about a certain kind of friend group in a specific place.

They should've asked ME to direct

The weirdest part to me was that half of them were from the west coast. Bowen’s character lives in SF and I think Joel’s guy lives in LA, while he’s in Brooklyn. So I guess these were all going to be long distance relationships.

Little of it makes narrative sense. It's a typical "check your brain at the door" rom-com.

White gay men are now the enemy even though they fucking did everything.

It is weird to call out white gays but -also- have them be the dream guy?

"White gay men are now the enemy even though they fucking did everything."

"EVERYTHING? " Uh-oh, R291 's resent-filled delusions of Neo-Nazi grandeur have infected her addled brain.

I watched it Friday night. And what started out as hate watching turned out to be an ok movie. Granted I was stoned out of my mind, but still.

The writing was better than expected, but the thing is this - Fire Island, love it or hate it, is a very one dimensional place. So outside of fucking and beaches and booze there isn't a whole lot of plot to be had unless you're lamenting about where you fall into the gay pecking order while there.

r293 white gays were the ones who mostly fought for gay rights and laid all the groundwork. It wasn't trans POC.

Most gays have never even been to Fire Island, even ones in the NY Metro area. It's really a small niche of gays, but you'd think everyone goes there from various media.

R296 is spot on. The same gays you see peacocking in Hell's Kitchen and Chelsea are the same ones who pack it up to Fire Island.

I want Joel Kim Booster inside me so bad!!

R295 The operative word in your statement is "mostly". No one can contest the role of white gays and lesbians. No one is claiming white gays and lesbians had "no" role. But they did not have the "only" role. It was a joint effort. So try making just a little room for the contributions of others.

Additionally, it's very curious how you show such umbrage at the mere suggestion of racism among some white gays, when you yourself are displaying such obvious white resentment toward gays of color. To quote Mart Crowley, that's the pot calling the kettle beige.

R263,

Pamela Stephenson was a cast member of SNL during season 10. She was born in New Zealand. She was the first cast member to be born outside of North America.

Horatio Sanz was born in Chile.

Nasim Pedrad was born in Iran.

Morwenna Banks (cast member for 4 episodes during the 94-95 season) was born in England.

r299 is climbing on her cross

R301 Apt comeback, considering your penchant for burning them.

R264, you must have missed that Will said specifically that he's not into monogamy.

haha r302 you're hilarious. Have you tried stand up?

All I said was that white gay men are not fashionable anymore even though they pretty much got the ball rolling and did everything. It wasn't trans or POC who made gay rights a thing. That's just a fact. Sorry you're pissed about it but your feelings aren't anyone else's problem.

R298 He’s a bottom. His current man is a “power top”.

[304] Your racial anger and resentment run so deep that it blinds you from all reason. Are your widdle feelings hurt that white gay racists like you are finally being called out? Ooo... look at you quake, demanding that poor put-upon white gays get their fair shake!

At least there are white gays out there who look out for the entire community, who understand their role, and make room for others. They are the champions who understand community.

But you go on shaking your racist widdle fist to your eventual grave!

It's cool they used gay actors.

R305 receipts on the "power top"?

Preferably videos

r306 it's not racist, just the facts. Stop being so excitable, it doesn't suit you.

R306 You are a sad snow queen. Years of rejection by “Alex Waters” look a likes that you obsess over , have made you an angry black bottom.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

....yeah...no.

And it's not just that they didn't have to recruit a straight person as a lead.. it's also the silence is gone. Actual out gay actors.

Ooooo... R309 R310 , look at you, going through all the effort of tracking down my previous posts! You've displayed your rage and obsession to the max! I must have hit a very real nerve!

R295, you are correct, but it's certainly not dignified to 'double down' on your privilege here.

Was Margeret one of the asian character’s mother?

I'm not r310

Will the film make money?

That post at R311 is unfortunate. Did I see the same movie as him?

The movie makes fun of the overly body conscious stereotypes. They aren't all thirsty, they aren't all judgy.

And what other movies were Cho and Peppermint involved in together? He's just making shit up to sound 'fierce'.

Jesus, what a twat.

Why even go to fire island if you hate the overly body conscious types that won’t fuck fatties??

I thought it was funny when the Bowen character leaves 1 day early like a dramatic queen because he "can't deal" with seeing the doctor (who he met a few days before) with his longterm boyfriend. So extra. Can't wait 24 hours and leave with the rest of the group. Has to pack up his shit and take a 5PM ferry to fly back to San Francisco.

Lord have mercy.

Was there anyone in the movie with over 3% body fat, except for the just for laughs chubbies?

I agree, R320. There were some plot devices like that which were a bit forced.

I would have liked it if Bowen's character had the meltdown, got over it enough to put a brave face on, and because he put himself back out there with his friends (even with the new baggage he acquired) - THAT is the opportunity which presented itself with the doctor (or some other guy). Being rewarded for being strong, rather than being rewarded for acting on a weaker impulse.

R321, you clearly don't know body fat %. Each and every actor on set had more than 3%, or else they'd be dead.

It's called exaggeration for comic effect.

Nobody's laughing, R324.

As long as I am that's all that matters.

On no planet would a handsome doctor of ANY ethnicity put it all on the line and declare himself to mopey, homely Bowen Yang. An atrocious bit of miscasting. Yang was just awful.

The "Noah" character - the lead, in a screenplay written by the actor himself - was so bitchy, mean and obnoxious that no one as a introverted and thoughtful as the "Will" character would continue to come back for verbal abuse over and over again.

That the movie was chock- full of tired gay cliches didn't bother me - the actual Fire Island is crawling with tired gay cliches - but the FI depicted doesn't resemble the one I've gone to for years. For starters, in reality, there are few Asian, much less groups of them, and relatively few people under 40. In fact, a FI pool party would hit the same target age range as a Palm Springs pool party - withered, grizzled dinosaurs shoved into speedos.

But maybe the movie will usher in a renaissance for the place and young people will return in droves.

[quote]On no planet would a handsome doctor of ANY ethnicity put it all on the line and declare himself to mopey, homely Bowen Yang. An atrocious bit of miscasting. Yang was just awful.

This movie must take place in the same universe where Luke Evans and Billy Porter are a couple. As if.

[quote]the actual Fire Island is crawling with tired gay cliches

R327, you then go on to say that FI is not like the movie at all, that FI it's filled with dinsoaurs. Is that the "cliches" you mean?

I thought Bowen was perfectly cast, actually. I just think the doctor should have been a bit less attractive is all.

You sound like one of those tired cliches R327.

And you sound a drunken, gaping cunt, spewing bile from under your caftan while downing your 8th martini of the day, R331.

Does Joel Kim Booster really think that hair style looks good?

I did think it was funny that the same guy "Braden" was always on the stairs asking the same people "Can I help you?"

I also liked how the awful 'ex' of the doctor who showed up later was saying the stupidest shit. He looked at Bowen and JKB and said "Oh my God, I feel like I'm looking in a mirror!" I've known White guys like this.

R333, I agree, the bowl cut in the front was very unflattering, while everything else about him was gorgeous. I wonder if he did it on purpose to have his character seem a bit less vain.

And you sound like a raging meth fueled cumdump looking for his next anon load. R332

R333 He looks like Korean Elliot Page with that stupid hair.

Girls! Girls!

You're both terrible!

Back to the discussion or die in a grease fire!

I'm seeing plenty of 20 and 30 something gays on Fire Island this week...via Instagram

In my experience, FI is fairly mixed. I have gone to 'faboo' parties in the Pines, and there were plenty of non-White muscle queens around, and a few average dudes in polo shirts. I've also spent a lot of time at the Grove, and it wasn't all dykes. There were many regular gays, some in groups, some solo. There was some cruising, and some not. It's way more of a mixed bag experience than is being presented here.

I don't get why people who are ignorant of the nuances within our culture keep promoting the same ignorance and stereotypes by decrying that these stereotypes are all that is out there. The Island is a lot of things to a lot of people. There aren't even enough "Rich White Muscly A-Gays" out there to fill out the two Island gayborhoods, so I don't get why folks perpetuate that notion. Most of the folks decrying the Island have never even been there.

Straight People RomComs have made billions with cliches and unbelievable love stories. Why can't we?

[R341] - Exactly. Was anyone really expecting MAURICE?

Because some bitches are going to complain about everything. It's one gay cliche that's very true.

R341 Mediocre straight romcoms like this usually flop. The only reason this isn’t getting raked over the coals is asian leads, asian writer, asian director.

Five minutes into this I was already sick of Bowen Yang's constant whining. God, is he tedious.

Fire Island has to be younger than Ptown. No?

Provincetown became known as a gay destination in the early 20th Century, Fire Island began getting gay immediately after WWII. By the 1950s Fire Island was known to be very gay.

Ohhh, a sank you for wratching my firm! Me rove you wrong time if you pray it again.

Isn't Provincetown where all the poz bears go to bareback?

Oh, god... trading r for l to mock Asian people. How original!

R305 There is a top yearning to get out in every bottom. Okay, that's not accurate but I'd convince Joel to flip with me, at the very least. ;)

[quote]There is a top yearning to get out in every bottom.

Actually, I have found the opposite to be the truth.

R351 Can you convince him to get a new hairstyle as well? This aint it.

^^Maybe he’s trying to look like Will in Stranger Things?

It is nice to know he owns more than one thong.

The Latino friend was hot. Beautiful face, nice body, and great ass.

Sorry, but Joel Kim Booster is ugly as fuck.

[quote] Oh, god... trading r for l to mock Asian people. How original!

Nope, but still funny.

R356

Are there any actors in this film or just Instagram hos?

Joel has a beautiful body.

R357 He looks good next to Bowen Yang though? They both look ftm-ish to me. Especially in pics 3 and 8.

R359 He is a tranny wannabe /attention seeker like Billy Porter.

No, they're both hideous.

The Margaret Cho character was just pathetic. Her eating out someone with crabs didn't help.

Oh, crabs on Fire Island. How very 1999.

It's Charlotte York MacDougall Goldenblatt bitch

Not back then it wasn't, skank!

Well ,it IS now and has been for the past 2 decades, bitch

Tomás serving face (and ass). 🔥

Why did they call this movie Bowen Yang’s Fire Island anyways, that seem like a lot to hang a film on, especially with an ensemble cast?

Here is Joel’s real life Fire Island crew. They keep him humble.

$11 for a box of crackers!

Speedos everywhere and no mention of the cameo at the very end on the water taxi?

R374, that's right. The legend that is Robyn Byrd, a NYC staple, made it into the film.

I was impressed with her being included.

I guess I must be doing DL right at this point because I have already blocked all the people you guys keep addressing for saying racist things!

r374 that was Robyn Byrd right?

Robyn Byrd is still alive? How is that even physically possible?

Yup, now go scrub your teeth!

She has a show in Cherry Grove, per her Twitter. She was probably a last minute inspiration, because she was already there.

[quote] I guess I must be doing DL right at this point because I have already blocked all the people you guys keep addressing for saying racist things!

Wow, you are amazing. Slow clap for you!

As an adult with normal functioning cognitive skills, I don't block anyone. This isn't a fucking grade school playground. Some of you are just too delicate.

R376 - the best thing is to block. Like a virus, they're persistent and insufferable. Once you block them, and you see how much they spread their venom on multiple threads, you realize the depth of their severe mental illness.

Clutch those pearls, Mary!!

[quote]That post at [R311] is unfortunate. Did I see the same movie as him? The movie makes fun of the overly body conscious stereotypes. They aren't all thirsty, they aren't all judgy. And what other movies were Cho and Peppermint involved in together? He's just making shit up to sound 'fierce'.

I don’t think that guy got the movie at all. You have to be smart to understand the nuances of satire. The movie was skewering the judgemental, body-conscious, toxic types, not embracing them.

I went in thinking I was going to hate it but ended up loving it. It wore me down and ended up charming me. It was way better than it had any right to be and the social commentary was very relevant but of course, ironically, the toxic gays would end up dismissing it just like the racist toxic gays in the movie were dismissive of the Asians. They can’t see themselves or refuse to see themselves.

R371, the OP is the only one who called it Bowen Yang's Fire Island, and that's just because he's more known/hated on DL than Joel Kim Booster, whose movie it really is. The movie is just called "Fire Island" by the rest of the world.

R285 that happened to me too. I really hated the start. Turned it off a few times. But I ended up really liking it. I find most romcoms are like that for me.

I start off a typical DL asshole and end up a sappy romantic.

Yeah everybody who doesn't like this is racist 🙄

^^^ Oops. That was for R385 ^^^

R338 I’m sure there a large contingent who don’t like it because they’re homophobic too.

r390 some people just don't like it. The characters are silly and stereotypical. And the whole thing is so dated, like it's out of the 90s.

[quote]Yeah everybody who doesn't like this is racist 🙄.

This was never said anywhere. But way to be dismissive. You’re making the movie’s point for it.

r258, 42 in the other thread just posted more about the Pride and Prejudice connections

r392, r385 pretty much said it

I did not say that at all. I said toxic gays would want to dismiss the social commentary and think it’s unnecessary. They want to wave it away because they refuse to see themselves. I did not say if you hate this movie, you’re racist.

There's social commentary but the movie isn't all that great.

What social commentary? That gaysians are just as superficial and vapid and stereotypical as white gays? Yes, yes you are. Congratulations. No one would argue you that point. Who cares?

That Asian gays are deeply insecure and can only find happiness with successful white guys, duh.

White guys are the villains and responsible for everything that's fucked up in the world but they're the most desired and the key to happiness. That's a lot to unpack.

Watched it this afternoon because I felt like vegging. I didn’t expect to like it either, and took a while to warm up to it, but I did. I even told my husband I’d rewatch it with him if he wants. It’s charming, funny and sexy too.

I thought the scene between Bowen and Joel near the end where they talk about how hard it is for them was actually beautifully written. There was a lot unsaid and they both acted it quite well. That was the most honest part of the whole movie. Felt like a conversation the two of them have had many times in real life - especially since Joel is always with someone and Bowen is always single.

I will say this movie was 1000 times more enjoyable than Happiest Season - which was so humorless and toxic that Dan Levy was the best part of it.

Several people have said it's so dated, like something out of the 90s. Can you give us the names of some of those 90s gay Asian romcoms, since there were evidently so many of them back then?

r402 it's like a gay movie from the 90s, just with Asians

[quote]I thought the scene between Bowen and Joel near the end where they talk about how hard it is for them was actually beautifully written. There was a lot unsaid and they both acted it quite well.

Oh boo hoo, like Asians have it so hard, with all the privilege they enjoy in this new woke society. Like we whites don’t have it hard? Where is OUR Fire Island movie?! Stop demeaning us whites and making us out to be the villains! At least Bros will be all white. So done with Hulu.

Is now a good moment to refresh memories of Fire Island (Logo)?

Those are the toxic queens that the movie makes fun of.

That Logo Fire Island show was abhorrent. Definitely "this is why they hate us."

r404 it has nothing to do with racism. There were only two Asians in the movie, most of the cast was white. It just sucked and seemed very dated. And shallow. And annoying.

I assume R404 is a parody.

But if not? And you want your "white" gay movie?

Watch these:

Call Me By Your Name, Brokeback, Love Simon, God's Own Country, Maurice, Birdcage, A Single Man....

Of course it's a parody, you humorless twat.

If Fire Island is so classist, toxic, privileged white, cis gay, then why do these deserving Gays of Color in the movie want to go there so badly?

It ain't close to NYC and it ain't cheap!

Actually, it wasn’t a parody. But it just goes to show how far the villainization of whites has gone that any pushback is seen as a parody.

Hear, hear, R410, they don’t belong on our island.

[quote] But if not? And you want your "white" gay movie? Watch these: Call Me By Your Name, Brokeback, Love Simon, God's Own Country, Maurice, Birdcage, A Single Man....

Those are all depressing kill your gays dramas. Where is our party movie? Where is our comedy movie? Where is our rom com? When will it be our time to shine? Not in this current woke climate, that’s for sure.

Someone get R412 a fainting couch and a razor for her wrists

It's been a minute since I've seen Margaret Cho and damn she's looking rough.

Yes, when will we gay Nazis get our own movie? WHEN, I ask you? IT’S NOT FAIR!!

r410 they go because their older friend (Cho) bought a beautiful house there with money she won from a lawsuit. She loved the place (which I think is a different experience for lesbians) and they ended up there because of her and kept going because free beautiful house for the summer. And they could get sex and party, but that stuff came with annoyances. I feel like you would know this if you watched the movie?

R410 Because they hate themselves and have been brainwashed to think that a white man is THE KEY to happiness and social acceptance.

Ah, yes. According to R417, Asians as a group are so retarded that they have no agency of their own. 🙄 Racist “Society” has made gaysians chase white dick.

How about a celebration in film of Jacob Riis Beach?

Bowen and Joel's mouth are weird looking. Joel's upper lip is the only lip that moves. His bottom lip stays straight. Even when he smiles it's an upper lip open smile.

Bowen's mouth is misshaped, tiny and gross.

I think Dex was the hottest in the film. I’d let him upload a video fucking me to the internet lol.

The popular clique was missing that one token black hunk that you often see in these groups. Unless he was in the background and I missed it.

R418, no, I think it’s more a matter that if you are growing up as a member of a very small minority and the people who you spent most of your time around as a kid, in school, about town, etc don’t accept you as a part of the community you grew up in, it’s disconcerting. You could say the same thing about straight people, a majority, not accepting that a gay man or a lesbian woman is a real man/woman, a real person, deserving of human rights. Or even all the FTM people who are attracted to men but want to identify as men - they recognize that men also identify women as an “other” with less power, something to be either used or discarded but not personally identified with. Not that it is only white people who ever do this; ethnic and gender discrimination happens globally.

Conrad Ricamora is 43 years old. You can kind of tells he's much older than the rest of the cast 30-34 average.

Ricamore is still very hot.

Joel Booster Kim - Grub Street diet

Has anyone ever seen a white guy go up to an Asian guy in a gay bar and say something like "what are you Filipino? Korean?" I've personally never seen anyone do that, even twentysomething years ago.

R426, I've not seen it at a bar, but I've seen that happen elsewhere, from all types of people. My husband is Japanese and he gets asked what he is regularly.

r427 I'm white and I think that's such a rude question. I just don't understand people sometimes.

I agree, R428. I can understand being curious where people's ancestors come from - but small talk in a bar or party is absolutely off limits.

[quote] Has anyone ever seen a white guy go up to an Asian guy in a gay bar and say something like "what are you Filipino? Korean?" I've personally never seen anyone do that, even twentysomething years ago.

Psssssst It's a movie, not a documentary.

r430 just wondering, is all. Sometimes you wonder if certain things happen IRL. It seems totally plausible.

PSSST, R430, it's an actual problem. Rice Queens descending upon Asians and fetishizing them, categorizing them, etc.

#FireIslandMovie gets an F- on the Bechdel test in a whole new way.

[quote]Bowen's mouth is misshaped, tiny and gross.

I call this TDM- Tiny Doll Mouth

R426 / R428 / R431 - Go away, troll. Stop acting like you find anything offensive, considering the string of racist comments you've made about Asians throughout this entire thread.

Get fucked r435

r435 you only have posts in this thread and no others. Accusing everyone of being racist. Odd. Are you a shill? Why don't you have any posts in any other threads?

I am POC and I'm happy to see other non-white LGBT people tell their own stories. What I avoid are other POC's who carry on about lack of representation, then are not proactive and do nothing about it

R423 Don't even bother with R418. He's extrapolating what he WANTS from my post to fit his agenda.

R426 OF COURSE, I've seen it. I got the sense that It was just...awkward conversation from a person who either had no experience--or was completely oblivious--talking to an Asian person in a bar environment. In other words, it didn't seem malicious--Just kinda dumb.

R438 I had a friend who would say the same thing, and when you asked him to elaborate, he would say--I swear to God--make YOUR own movie, which is....something he would say. ANYWAY, what would you suggest someone do to be proactive about this? Not coming for you--just curious.

Yang just sounds...basic. Calling the bar Eastern Bloc "brutalist"? Bragging about drinking with Khloe Kardashian? Why is his instagram handle Faye Dunaway? Can he even name two movies she did? And that frosted hair...

Matt Rogers is a skank.

Just watched it. Conrad Ricamora was the best part of it. He’s hot and a good actor.

R440, I'm certain Bowen can name more than two movies Faye appeared in. You are the one that sounds basic.

Did people see that some NY magazine lesbian tweeted about the movie failing the Bechdel test and all the twitter gays are enraged? Bowen just posted some shit on instagram referencing it.

I don’t think the original tweet was very angry sounding, just kind of a observation. Margaret Cho’s non-stereotypical role as ex-work college/former party girl/mother figure, paired with the group of guys acting out female story lines from Pride & Prejudice kind of throws a twist into it too.

That Rosin chick sounds like a real cunt

R439: My suggestion is to find a way to tell your own story. It may turn out to be different than some traditonal narrative, but find a way.

r444, r433 did, since he/they posted about it yesterday.

Meanwhile, that woman deleted the tweet and apologized.

[Quote] I call this TDM- Tiny Doll Mouth

Thanks. Never heard of the term. It's gross. I hate his mouth.

I didn't hate it but they're some fruity characters...I couldn't relate to

Lol @ R449, is that tweet really "offensive"? She didn't use racial epithets or call for violence against anybody. I understand deleting the tweet because it's histrionic or because she felt embarrassed over the blowback, but to repost it in an act of contrition seems a little overwrought.

R452, overwrought = disingenuous

If the two leads were white this movie would be deemed racist because of its treatment of the other minority characters. The black friend is especially used horribly.

And of course, they end up with rich white guys at the end. It would’ve been more progressive and less cliche of the Asian friends ended up falling for each other and ignoring the white guys.

It’s pretty pathetic when minorities complain about how much they hate Fire Island when they desperately wish to be part of the scene.

r454, tell us you didn't watch the movie without telling us you didn't watch the movie.

Considering the lead, an Asian guy, ended up with Conrad Ricamora, who is not a white guy, no, they did not "end up with rich white guys at the end."

I agree r330. I thought Bowen Yang was great, my problem is James Scully who plays Charlie is too attractive. It makes the movie not work for me because a guy like that wouldn't see Bowen Yang on the beach and immediately try to get with him. We all know this is true.

It sends a unhealthy message about idolizing guys out of your league. Bowen's character shouldn't need to land a hottie, he should find love and happiness with a guy who is a perfect match for him.

[quote]The black friend is especially used horribly

Honestly I kept forgetting he was in the movie. It was a very boring, nothing role.

R456 I completely agree.

R456 that's the romcom genre.

"It sends a unhealthy message about idolizing guys out of your league. Bowen's character shouldn't need to land a hottie, he should find love and happiness with a guy who is a perfect match for him."

Every damn time

R455, are you really that naive?

You think a good looking rich half Asian/half white person that looks white counts as a suppressed minority?

That’s like saying you don’t date white people you only date Latinos and then all the Latinos you date are blond and blue eyed.

My point stands.

On what planet does Conrad Ricamora look white r460....?

Absolutely no one would look at him and think that's a white guy.

That’s a white guy with slightly slanty eyes..

[quote] It’s pretty pathetic when minorities complain about how much they hate Fire Island when they desperately wish to be part of the scene.

Stop arguing with this troll. You could see his message above is dripping with disdain for minorities. We get it, you don’t think minorities belong or should be part of the scene. You don’t have to keep posting about it over and over. Why would you even bother watching this movie if it triggers you so much?

R440 Bowen Yang is hideous, he looks like an asian grandma lesbian.

Remember when Bowen was posing these “sexy” pics on Instagram. He had another one in a jockstrap.

r460, your point is nonsense. In a thread filled with ridiculous comments the idea that Ricamora looks white may be the most ridiculous of all.

R466, he’s a troll. He just wanted to post slanty eyes.

It’s too bad Darren Criss gave up his Gay roles, he could have added so much to this movie and made it more palatable.

Why? Darren Criss would have been so out of place here.

Bowen's sexy insta pic could be worse.

[quote] Absolutely no one would look at him and think that's a white guy.

Ugh. I see it now but in the film. His wikipedia says Filipino and german/irish. If you'd told me part latino or italian I might have believed it.

He doesn't look Italian at all

R470, The ftm looking one with the skunk hair called tomato outdid him in failed attempt to be sexy. His/her entire Instagram is tragic.

This new book might meet more approval

While I appreciated the movie wanted to highlight non-monogamy r303, that felt ham fisted. Nothing about the Ricamora character we met in the movie says he likes to sleep around and would want an open relationship.

I'm not really a fan of the the type of soapy TV shows Conrad Ricamora is known for, so I'm REALLY late to the party, but what a sexy guy.

Just watched the film tonight. It was slight, but, funny and charming and sweet.

Alison Bechdel weighs in:

[quote]Okay, I just added a corollary to the Bechdel test: Two men talking to each other about the female protagonist of an Alice Munro story in a screenplay structured on a Jane Austen novel = pass. #FireIsland #BechdelTest

For an article meant to promote Joel Kim Booster (the headline is “Hot Joel Summer”), this opening anecdote doesn’t exactly land the way that I expect the writer and JKB expected.

[quote]Joel Kim Booster is looking at his penis. It’s 2018, and he is tripping balls from the LSD Oreos he took with his housemates on their last full day on Fire Island. Earlier, they had gone to the beach, where the sand oozed between their toes and time lost its militant edge. They took a walk back home that lasted for what felt like an eternity (ten minutes), during which they listened to Lorde and SOPHIE and split open the most delicious pineapple in the world. For dinner, they made junk carbonara from pantry leftovers. At some point, Booster peeled off and went to the bathroom. He stripped, got hard, and now is staring at his reflection. His body, his dick. He has measured it upwards of 10,000 times and knows it is an objectively good dick, a gorgeous dick. Still, there is always a difference between knowing something and feeling it. At this moment, high as Mount Olympus, he can look down at his naked body with his third eye open and agree: He is fucking hot.

R477 - Ha! Love that. A lesbian friend dragged me to an Alison Bechdel live interview at the LA Central Library YEARS ago... well before Fun Home and all that hoopla. Had no idea who she was beforehand; found her very (dryly) funny and engaging. I love that she weighed in on this one.

OOOF!

What’s next Pete Davidson’s Staten Island, a Gay romp based on Howard’s End?

R137 why do you think it's called fire island?

These moves are so lame. Regardless of what the movie sells, the ultimate prize is the white man. As is in real life. Maybe it actually is more accurate. Bowen is not going sticky rice nor are his friends.

R111 'revolution' or revolting?

R468

Palatable for whom?

People attracted to midgets?!

He looks like a FTM Sandra Oh r478.

He has a nice body but that face is a big NO.

R401, thanks for pointing out that scene. I’m a gay Asian and was also very moved by that scene. And, yes, it did remind me of similar conversations I’ve had with my best friend, who’s also a gay Asian.

R456 Good LORD. That's the same FUCKED UP attitude people who go to Fire Island have. I mean...you complain about the negative stereotypes in a movie like this, but you push the same doctrines they do.

What exactly is fucked up r488? I think projecting the idea that happiness is finally landing that hottie you never thought would talk to you is fucked up. That's a terrible mentality.

Quit worshipping at the altar of the cliche hotties and ignoring the other 90% of gay men out there who could make you happy. We've all seen it at a club, 90% of guys all chasing after the same 10% of guys rather than stopping and trying to flirt with each other.

So yeah, I stand by comment.

Yikes R478 that is a terrible introduction. The whole article reads like an advertisement for emptiness and drug use, like Tama Janowitz crossed with early Gawker. Truly insufferable.

People on Twitter always rave about E. Alex Jung's profiles, but I usually find them overwritten and overly impressed with the subjects. The subtext is always "This person is so cool and I am so cool for hanging out with them."

That article is horrible. JKB comes off as a whiny insufferable narcissist. The writer manages to make gay men, in general, seem like a bunch of immature, overly emotional brats with drug problems. Great representation.

Especially loved this passage…

The weekend Booster and his boyfriend — a tall, actor-handsome video-game producer named John Michael — declared themselves officially in a relationship, he had sex with a porn star. Not that they would ever be monogamous. Don’t be so homonormative about it. They were in Palm Springs for Pride, and Booster sensed that JM, as he calls him, needed some space. So he suggested they go to separate sex parties. When they linked back up around 5 a.m., their friends ran over to Booster to tell him, “He didn’t even have sex with anyone! He just stood in the kitchen and talked about you the entire time!” To which Booster replied, “Perfect.” The next day, he remembers JM recounting it as a sweet story: “And then we went to two separate sex parties but neither of us had sex.” “Finally, I had to tell him,” says Booster. “I was like, ‘Babe, I’m so sorry to have to ruin this cute story you have, but, unfortunately, I did have sex with someone else.’ ”

It makes you feel bad that a gay man is openly non-monogamous r492? That seems like your own issues, let him live his life how he wants.

R469 Because Darren Criss has been playing the most prominent Gay Asian in multiple projects for years.

So he's a cold slut who worships his own body, who wouldn't want to see a movie made by him.

R493 oh please, as if that makes me feel "bad." Read the rest of the article. I don't care that he's non-monogamous - he comes off as completely self-obsessed and exhausting to be around. And his friends seem the same way. I don't know how accurate it is - the writer seems to insert himself quite a bit (bringing up their own history). So it could all be a bunch of bullshit. But I'm glad I saw the movie before reading that (and I enjoyed it). I never would watch after reading that profile.

[quote] queer AAPI men

😂

@IamChanman· 22h Replying to @HannaRosin Wow, deleting the tweet just silences queer voices who were right in their critiques of the tweet. The damage was done and you somehow made it worse

Are these people ever satisfied?

That account is a rightwing troll, R498.

I watched last night. As someone who did summers in the Pines for YEARS, I thought it captured the spirit of Fire Island very well.

I could really go without all the wokeism and preaching in the script tho, everything from climate change to sex positivity to racism and all that. I mean we get it. I’ll be glad when people become more clever about this stuff or better get just eliminate it and tell a fucking story.

But yes it’s funny and cute but I did notice again that the fat black gay guy was effiminate, sexless, and underdeveloped. JKB is doing exactly what he accuses white gays of: centering his own experience at the cost of others. But whatever it was cute. And also JKB made sure he put that tight little bod on display as much as he possibly could. Good for him he looked hot.

Someone posted this.

R236 I was THERE IN 1998 it was a vapid, hedonistic scene

Same r502. I was in my early 20s in 1998 and even at such a young age I thought so many of the Fire Island guys were a bunch of vapid twats. If you go with a group of friends you're close with and share your interests it can be fun but if you're only there to try and fit into "the scene" it can be really really grotesque.

I've always preferred Provincetown. Much more chill and laid back. The men in Provincetown are more from the New England region and New Englanders don't really get into the posing and queening and all that bullshit.

Here's an idea Bowen let the chubby black guy have a romance...or just lines.

The woman who wrote the Bechdel tweet is now featured on Diet Prada. I assumed her tweet was meant with some humor but.....

Bowen Yang looks way older than 31

[quote]fat black gay guy was effiminate, sexless, and underdeveloped

Nearly all of them were effeminate, the character he is based on from Jane's novel IS sexless and preaches at other people, he was definitely underdeveloped.

He was funny in the molly scene but it's sad that they didn't give him more or at least another scene where he is the focus for a bit, to do.

Ultimately you had to ask why he was even there since they established that the Booster and Yang's characters worked together and became friends, the other two characters went to school together and he was just kind of there.

R507, they all worked at the same brunch spot 10 years prior, even the Margaret Cho character.

trite cliche dated awful

[quote] I've always preferred Provincetown. Much more chill and laid back.

Provincetown is basically a summer retirement village.

R507 And again, why were there so many Asian waitstaff, was it a theme restaurant? If they had made it Lucky Cheng’s it would have explained both why they were primarily Asian and all effeminate.

r510 it's just more of a mellow vibe. Not as many drug-addled messes.

[quote] [R507] And again, why were there so many Asian waitstaff, was it a theme restaurant?

Jesus Christ! Just how racist are you? A theme restaurant? Good God, stop embarrassing yourself. Where do you live that Asian servers are such a shock?!?

R507 Who was Molly, I must have fallen asleep by that point?

[quote] I could really go without all the wokeism

What was the wokeism? Don’t be racist? Too much to handle?

[quote] I’ll be glad when people become more clever about this stuff or better get just eliminate it and tell a fucking story.

You’re the reason why such a movie is necessary. People like you just want to plug your ears and cover your eyes and say I don’t see any racism, stop bringing it up, stop harshing my vibe. You can’t even see beyond yourself.

[R34] Agree. Whoever produced this outdated crap is completely out of touch with the gay community in general. I think Conrad Ricomora is the only realistic character in this movie. His whole unhappy, troubled persona was very convincing although he did come across as an asshole at times. I think Conrad should have played the Asian in love with the hot doctor. He still could've been nerdy ala "How To Get Away With Murder." Nerdy Conrad is still rather hot. Bowen Yang will never be hot. It's just a fact. Oh and someone please give poor gay ally Margaret Cho something other than a fag hag part to play.

Awww, r514. If this isn't a joke post, you are too sweet for words.

(Molly's not a person...)

R517 It was the ferry?

r518

Oh, MDNA, some of us don’t know street names of drugs, because we don’t buy drugs on the street.

It's not required. Some of us have neither bought nor taken any drugs, yet have enough awareness of the world around us to have heard of such things.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It’s too bad Joel is such a druggie and proud of it. That was the one thing I hated about the movie was the glorification of drug use. Why would even the Bowen character do drugs. That was so out of character. So many people in the gay community have died from drugs and addiction. It’s not all fun and games. What a bad look for gays to glorify this.

And they swallowed random pills they found on the floor. That is very dangerous and is how Trevor Lefkowitz died. His heart exploded after taking two random pills.

That NY Mag article is indeed insufferable. I could only get through about a third. It's so clear: Booster could not get what he wanted, so he BECAME all the worst traits of what he wanted, instead of just being a human. Thus is the cycle of a certain breed of gay. They lose whoever they really are to become a vapid stereotype. This afflicts gays of every race.

A gay Asian Cinderella story! So cringe. The doctor reminded me of Jared on Silicon Valley.

Why is it cringe? Because it’s Asian?

Because the characters are such unfuckable losers and the plot was so lame.

R524

[quote] Why is it cringe? Because it’s Asian?

Yes.

R526, that’s fair. Noted.

R527, you’re just racist.

[quote]That was the one thing I hated about the movie was the glorification of drug use. Why would even the Bowen character do drugs. That was so out of character.

You seem very naive r522. Making a movie about Fire Island without party drugs would be Disney bullshit. Recreational drug use is very normal among the gay party scene in the big cities. The type of characters who would go party in Fire Island are exactly the type who would also enjoy some recreational drugs.

Conrad Ricomora is really cute in it. He has a smile like he knows something and he played the underrated, second most desired dude really well.

Conrad Ricomora actually found a unique, discernible character within the terribly blase, uninspired, craftless writing. He deserves the Oscar for it.

So they should include the rabid meth use to R529 because that seems to be the drug of choice among the Fire Island crowd.

Nah, meth is not "socially acceptable". There are meth heads, but that would be a smaller crowd that other people look down upon.

The "socially acceptable" party drugs you normally see are ketamine, coke, Molly/ectasy, and ghb.

These guys would find anything acceptable...except fatties and ugos.

Kim Booster is a bi polar hack.

Ricamora is playing this like he’s Jude in A LITTLE LIFE. Otherwise, the upspeak is driving me crazy.

Ricamora can upspeak my ass anytime.

I somehow completely missed that this was from the same director who did Spa Night, which I loved. Direction was so nice, it's the sluggish editing with some really awkward transitions between scenes that didn't work for me. Sorry, cute gay editor Brian Kates, I just wasn't feeling your work this time around.

This was horrible I shut it off after 10 minutes

[quote]First thing I thought of. Fire Island is 99% white.

After this move it wont be for long.

Asian invasion, say goodby to your Island thiefdom. Oh and in case you don't know, Asians never leave.

Jesus Christ, take your psychotic racism elsewhere, R540.

None of these people seem to be at all likable or relatable except for Margret Cho she's always great.

[quote]...That was the one thing I hated about the movie was the glorification of drug use.

Because the Asian gays have to incorporate everything the white gays do like go to Fire Island and do drugs! Why are they so much better again?

“Thiefdom”, R540? You’re not just racist, you’re illiterate, aren’t you?

Finally saw this and really enjoyed it! I put aside my generally critical nature and went with itZ

While there was absolutely no sexual chemistry between either of the two gay couples, I loved the concept of friends, who don’t judge one another, just having fun together

I think r545 hit the nail on the head why so many shrill DLers found this movie so hard to watch - the concept of friendship is so alien to them it was like being stabbed in the eyes

I have never been to Fire Island but if it's true that it's mostly hot white dudes and they chose to do some PC Asian interpretation, then count me out on the movie.

Seems the PR team has arrived.

I don't even like Bowen Yang on SNL. He's like the token gay Asian guy. Not funny, acting is very flat, all his characters seem like the same guy. I can't imagine 2 hours of that along with a swarm of screaming Asian queens.

The "ugly duckling" photos of young Joel Kim Booster in the print edition of Jung's article for NEW YORK magazine reveal he's had a nose job as part of his transformation into a putatively "hot swan."

He did have a shitty childhood in his adoptive family.

r546, the concept of friendship with Asian-Americans in particular, judging from some of the comments on this site.

I think at the beginning maybe 10 minutes in it was really playing hard on the rom-com jokes in a comedic way. Bowen falls down a step onto his knees and shouts back kind of unpleasantly at his friends and that’s the “love at first sight” moment. It’s funny because you wouldn’t expect to happen. As the storyline goes, this group of friends has been coming to Fire Island every year for 10 years, and this is the first time they knew the rich guys’ houses even existed. Bowen’s happy ending with Charlie is also not really so happy- sure, Charlie liked him ok, but it’s just “like” not “love”. They talked for five days. The feeling of this is like someone took real life and juxtaposed it over a rom-com in a way that the rom-com feels a little jarring. But the real conversation between Joel and Bowen at the end when they talk about being vulnerable is worth watching and there are other moments that feel that way too. I liked the movie.

The guy who admires his own body while high was vulnerable?

[quote]I can't imagine 2 hours of that along with a swarm of screaming Asian queens.

A total of 3 Asian men -- none of whom are "screaming queens" -- and Margaret Cho hardly constitutes a "swarm". There are far more white guys in the cast, including James Scully (from YOU), Nick Adams, and the very hot Zane Phillips.

R552 Yes, someone falling down in front of someone else and having a "love at first sight" moment is so unexpected in rom-coms these days.

As this an enemies to lover rom com?

Sounds like another movie about pretty gays being petty gays with the required token black, fat, sassy character thrown in for comic relief.

[quote] with the required token black, fat, sassy character thrown in for comic relief.

They gave him a book. And then no lines.

Sounds like Bowen might be a bit racist himself.

I agree that what worked the best is the friendship between Kim and Yang's characters r545.

And yeah it goes unremarked at the end that none of these characters who '"find love" live in the same city r289. So then what...?

Asians going to an all white male event looking for boyfriends under the pretense of friendship? Not playing into the sterotypes at all. 😂

Let me know when they make a gay movie about 3 Asian queens who go to a rap / hip-hop festival looking for black dick.

That article makes Joel Kim Booster look like a vapid druggie idiot.

Everything about that article just makes Joel Kim Booster seem awful.

He actually told a reporter that he masturbated to his own reflection while high on drugs, and apparently thought it would make him look good. And that’s not even the worse anecdote from that article.

R562 Joel Kim Booster is a vapid druggie idiot and an untalented hack.

He really thinks he’s funny and so talented, doesn’t he??

R554 This isn’t a screaming queen to you?

R546 SURE. That's it. See R557 for a better assessment. Then kill yourself.

R561 I would LOVE to see THAT movie

r559, what makes Bowen, who neither wrote nor directed the movie, sound like a racist?

For people who claim to hate white gay men, POC gays are completely obsessed with them. They don't even have to do anything to be centered in their psyche, just exist. It will get to a point where we have movies by Queer artists depicting white gay genocide and being applauded for it.

R569, the group of friends in the movie mostly are friends in real life, and are racially diverse - in the storyline they are all relatively poor and worked in the same restaurant. The movie shows a lot of petty theft and even a sense of career shame for the friends while not shaming the rich guys for their success or good careers. It’s very, very far from trying to lead anyone towards any kind of hate crime.

R569 is an extremist white supremacist.

r571 sure Jan.

I've noticed that many POC gay men as well as Jewish gay men who are in the public eye are very "extra" and dial up the gayness to 11. Joel Kim Booster, Bowen Yang, Billy Porter on the POC side, and Andy Cohen, Billy Eichner, and Dan Levy on the Jewish side.

Conversely, many white (non-Jewish) gay men such as Neil Patrick Harris, Jonathan Groff, Zachary Quinto and Matt Bomer, among others, tend to be more on the side of regular male behavior and are not screaming queens.

Just an observation.

We smell that racism R549. Not even subtle this time.

I loved Billy Porter on Pose, R573.

But then seeing his diva behavior in public really turned me off. He really acts like a Grande Dame 24/7.

I watched "FIRE ISLAND" on Saturday, and I was determined to hate it because of you guys on DL.

I couldn't hate it, I'm not a fan of Bowen Yang, but I understood what he wanted (some people are still romantics). I am not one of them. I had my own "HOT GUY FIRE ISLAND SUMMER-1991" SEX, DRUGS, ALCOHOL, DISCO. with Taiwanese Billionaires

There's a type of gay that will love this movie, and many who aren't that type of gay won't.

It's not a bad movie, nothing great but fine for what it is r576.

Certain people are determined to treat it like the worst thing ever because of their own alt-right leanings. This movie is about pushing for white genocide according to r569

There are more Asians in that trailer than I've ever seen on FI in all the summers I was there from 1993-2017

I watched it last night, but I didn't know it was based on [italic]Pride and Prejudice[/italic] until I read this thread. Erin nails Mrs. Bennet's lovable-fuckup qualities, and Will is a serviceable Darcy (in more ways than one).

Based on what I've read, Cooper is supposed to be a composite of Caroline Bingley and Lady Catherine, but Lady C really should have been a cunty eldergay—say, Clinton Leupp (Coco Peru) or Drew Droege.

I'm not sure if Dan Levy could dial down his gayness R573.

I didn’t laugh out loud but I liked it.

I believe the OnlyFans guy was supposed to be Wickam. If so that’s a clever translation. They should have focused on the friend being betrayed rather than the two leads running to solve his problem. That would have given the character more depth.

It didn't really make sense how the guy getting fucked by Zane Phillips was left out of the resolution, but that is how story telling works r582. He is a supporting character, so you have to give more screen time to making sure your main characters have a complete arc.

It's the gay "Pretty Woman."

The Gays love it!

R569 And you seem to be obsessed with the people who you claim are obsessed with YOU.

[quote] For people who claim to hate white gay men, POC gays are completely obsessed with them.

Only sexually.

[quote] I've noticed that many POC gay men as well as Jewish gay men who are in the public eye are very "extra" and dial up the gayness to 11. Joel Kim Booster, Bowen Yang, Billy Porter on the POC side, and Andy Cohen, Billy Eichner, and Dan Levy on the Jewish side. Conversely, many white (non-Jewish) gay men such as Neil Patrick Harris, Jonathan Groff, Zachary Quinto and Matt Bomer, among others, tend to be more on the side of regular male behavior and are not screaming queens.

Sounds more like the media will only give attention to POC gay men if they're extra while it accepts gays whites who are not. Also, nearly all the POC and Jewish men you mention are comedians, while none of the whites are.

I enjoyed the movie because, despite its flaws, it was about the joys of deep friendship. The short scene of them dancing together on the dock made me a little teary, actually.

It was also nice to see a movie from the POV of Asian gays. Why not?

I'd never even heard of Joel Kim Booster until this movie. Is he a thing?

Yasss Kween Woke POC: “I hate all white men, I wish they would disappear!!!”

Yasss Kween Woke POC (later that night): “I need white cocks in my holes ASAP!!!”

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