Kathryn Hays DEAD

Mama Mia!

RIP.

This makes me sad! I loved her as Kim on ATWT. I thought she was so beautiful.

My favorite storyline of hers was when she got conked in the head during a tornado and lost her memory just before she was about to divorce John Dixon and marry Dan, then John manipulated her into believing they still loved each other.

Makes me said too, kiddo and toots.

She was once married to Glenn Ford.

that makes me sad...

I would have loved for her to call me kiddo just once

I loved that one too, r2. John was such an evil bitch.

R2 and then when Kim got her memory back and left a message on Dan's answering machine - Susan Stewart stole the tape.

I wonder why there was such a delay in announcing her death.

It says she died in Connecticut. I thought she moved to her hometown in Illinois a few years ago.

R11 she was moved to a long-term facility

R9 I remember Susan tearing the tape up! She was such a bitch.

Poor Kim - she just couldn't catch a break. Didn't that storyline play for over a year before Kim and Dan finally got back together?

r13

it's so sad that we used to have to wait YEARS sometimes for storylines to be wrapped up and now it seems like weeks

She actually called me both "toots" and "kiddo" once. I was working in a bookstore in 1990, and who pulls up to my register but Kathy Hays. She could tell I recognized her, and said "Hello, how are you?" [CRYING AS I TYPE] I told her I was fine, and that it was just so exciting to see her, and could she please just call me "kiddo"?

And she did. "How much is that, kiddo?" I told her, and she handed me her credit card, which I rang through, and handed her her books. I said "You have a good rest of your day, Ms. Hays." And she responded, "Same to you, Toots." [STILL IN TEARS]

Has Andy Dixon commented?

You can’t be shocked at this. She looked and sounded like death was near last year at the Locher Room. Then when your daughter moves you back home and auctions off all of your stuff………the end is near. RIP but not shocking. This was coming for awhile.

R17 No one said it was shocking. Everyone said it was sad.

[quote] auctions off all of your stuff

WOW she did that, but maybe she needed the money to pay for Kathy hospice care

Kathryn Hays grew up in my hometown of Joliet, Illinois, and the city always remained very proud of her.

R15 I don't know if you're kidding or not but for that I give you a

MARY!

and a

WATCH IT, TOOTS!

They did auction her stuff a few years back. Kathy moved from NYC to Illinois for about a year, and apparently even with the help of her niece or cousin she was failing, so they moved her to a facility in CT.

I think all things considered with COVID, etc. it wasn't a super long delay for the announcement of her death. They probably wanted to make sure things were in order before the announcement.

That's a great story, r15. Thanks for sharing.

I loved watching ATWT during its creative 'heyday' in the mid to late 80s. A great show.

I feel a bit bad for Kathryn Hays because she has a beautiful voice and her goal was to be a musical theater diva

But every Broadway musical she was in either closed out of town or she was fired during previews.

She had to find peace within herself to be known for ATWT than a musical star.

She did this gay friendly interview on 5-15-20 =

Dr. Bob and Lisa are next. Sad last days.

Naked City

She was very pretty. 87 is a good run.

I don't know her.

Still bringing it in her early 70's.

She was always so elegant looking. I wanted Kim Hughes as my mother.

What an obit.

R11, R20 Kathy moved back to Princeton, Illinois. In an interview with co-star Don Hastings, said the house (on one floor) was near the one where she grew-up.

Gem is dead, Jim.

^^^ Shittiest episode of the series.

They just don't make 'em like they used to...

R19 Packing everything up, moving it to the East Coast, and storing it would not only be a daunting project, but costly. .. Having had to take care of three elderly relatives' "stuff," collected over the course of their lifetimes, I would greatly recommend that, if they have to go into care, then relatives do whatever they can to downsize it all before they actually pass to the great beyond.

She aged beautifully.

We knew this was coming. RIP I wonder how much her daughter got from her valuables? $$$

Why should the daughter be expected to keep all of her mother's belongings?

The daughter has to be a decent age herself and has accumulated her own "stuff" over the course of her lifetime.

She was step-great aunt to Parker Posey, right?

She was aunt-in-law to Marisa Tomei (Marcy married Stewart Cushing, Paul Stewart's illegitimate child, Paul was (adopted) brother to Dan Stewart, who was married to Kim)

The obit posted by R 32 said "She was raised to value family and made sure that her parents, Daisy and Dick Gottlieb, were cared for as they aged," First husband in 1957 was Sidney, father of her only child, Sherri. Bios say her last name as birth was Piper.

R42 here, Complete name of her first husband was Sidney Steinberg .​

[quote] I wonder how much her daughter got from her valuables? $$$

You're such a sad, broken, evil cuntscab of a human being. Which is why no one wants you at SON, and all of us here wish you'd fall into a grease fire.

And yet you couldn't keep yourself from quoting him, r44, enabling those of us who have each of his four IDs on ignore to bask in his cuntscabulence. In a way, you're as bad as he is.

I adored this actress. I remember seeing on a youtube video somebody said Kathy Hays and Eileen Fulton were 'the Stanwyck and Davis of daytime' and I was like YES YES YES.

I don’t think there should be goodbyes, just good nights.

Found it. This is just the best.

r47 = Bob Hughes

Kim, you've got to call up Bob and tell him you want him home before Susan Stewart gets her hooks into him!!!

I ❤️ her ⭐️ Trek episode!

I cried.

Kim Hughes tells off Seth Snyder - "You're dating daughter #3!"

John Wesley Shipp just posted on his Facebook account

"A wonderful woman, a caring colleague during one of the most haunting and difficult roles, emotionally and psychologically, of my early career. My memories of this great lady, her fine work and her kindness to me will never dim."

Too big a mess for "Kiddo."

Tom Wiggin (Kirk Anderson) just posted on his Facebook

"Kathryn Hays had her own quiet matriarchal style as the beloved Kim. But make no mistake, she was a matriarch and she was beloved by both legions of viewers and her cast mates. I’ll especially miss her wry smile that packed a lot meaning, depending on the context. One of the few smart things Kirk Anderson did was not mess with Kim. RIP, Kathy."

Ellen Dolan (Margo) on FB:

"Kathy Hayes (sic). Rest In Peace, “Kiddo.” She was a lovely lady."

Martha Byrne (Pussycat!) on Twitter:

"RIP Kathy. ❤️🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼"

People still post on Facebook?

K

Michael Park (Jack Showeating Snyder) on Twitter:

"Sweet, sweet Kathryn. ❤️"

May she R.I.P. ATWT was horrendous in its final years however she still gave beautiful, understated performances.

Scott Bryce (THE Craig Montgomery) on FB:

"Kathryn Hays 💔 🙏 A lovely human RIP."

Denise Pence (the STAR! of Guiding Light) on Twitter:

"RIP. A legend & example to women everywhere on aging gracefully. And probably a million other divine qualities . . . this last witnessed from afar."

Mark Pinter (Brian) on Twitter:

"I’m so saddened to hear of Kathy’s passing. She was the sweetest soul. God rest her now. 💔"

I wanna bury my tongue in Michael Parks hole.

^ Go for it, kiddo!

A friend of mine attended her estate sale and purchased about $500 worth of her personal items, i. e. jewelry, clothing, dishes, etc.

I saw Kathryn in a Pittsburgh production of "Follies" as Phyllis!

I only watched ATWT a bit in the 80s, but she made a huge impression. Then and now it made me nostalgic. Those long-running soaps managed to showcase their legacy characters and bridge the time between the B&W origins and the glitzy 80s.

I had no idea so many famous actresses are related to her, op!

R65 You'd need to be a twink twenty years ago at a NYC bathhouse.

She deserved more Emmys attention but made it look too easy.

R72, Was she ever even nominated?

The Douglas Cummings storyline was her finest effort.

Never emmy nominated. As it should be. Saying toots isn’t emmy worthy.

No comment from Julianne Moore?

r55, "I suggest you spend your time in jail to take a long hard look at your li---- LOOK AT ME!!!!!!"

[quote] I wanna bury my tongue in Michael Parks hole.

Michael would probably let you. He used to be a bookstore aficionado back in the day and knows his way around a gloryhole.

RIP but lord was she a bad actress! Very mannered and artificial. There's a reason she was never Emmy nominated. I remember some scenes she had with Julie Pinson. Julie acted rings around her, it was embarrassing. I hope she schooled Kathryn and showed her how it's done. Again, RIP but the compliments on her acting are not accurate

It's a bit late to express hopes for her craft, Rose.

R78, Did Ben Platt get a taste during their time together in DEH?

"The Douglas Cummings storyline was her finest effort."

I think she did even better a few years later, during Andy's drunken teen years and messy relationship with Julie. Bryggman and Hastings were also excellent.

For my money, Hays' finest work (of what I saw, mid 80s until show end) was her dealing with the aftermath of the affair with Susan.

And yes, the Cummings mystery. And when Sabrina was found.

But even during the end, she was turning in great performances. This was a scene with Katie, who was involved with Chris at the end. Kim manages to tell her "I adore you, but bitch, I will cut you if you fuck up my son's recovery." It's FABULOUS.

"I love you....and I will not love you any less if you can't."

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

I loved Kim’s relationships with her surrogate daughters Betsy, Barbara and Frannie.

I think her work in 1997 during her 25th anniversary shows was superb.

Has that little hussy CZP weighed in yet?

Where is Julianne Moore’s statement? And has Eileen shitted out a statement yet?

Terrific Kim and Susan scene here during the fallout from the Bob/Susan affair.

Why would Julianne Moore issue a statement about someone she worked with on some dumb soap 100 years ago and probably only saw once since then, when she guested near the end of the run? And face it, she probably only agreed to do that as a joke.

r88 please see r48

If Julianne doesn't make a statement i'm unfollowing her pages.

Julianne most definitely should issue a statement.

I need to hear from Meg and Marisa too.

Has Marsha Talbot commented?

Probably more important that these people offer condolences directly to Kathy’s family.

Did anyone ever notice that Kathryn Hays and her character Kim Hughes both have the same initials, K.H.?

I inherited my love of ATWT from my mother (who died last year) and she never really warmed to Bob and Kim because she loved loved LOVED Kim and Dan. But my memories don't go far before Kim and Nick, so Kim and Bob were my favorites and always remind me of my parents...and Andy was my personal spirit animal.

Has Marie Masters commented?

It's both sad and oddly endearing that these silly soap characters became, in a way, surrogate parents for gay men who were emotionally and/or physically rejected by their own parents for being "different."

What happened to the dead to me thing?

Has Larry Bryggman commented yet?

....

RIP Kathryn. This brings me back to watching ATWT with my mom back in the day. One of the few things we could bond over. Good memories.

The acting at r102 is really bad. I mean, seriously bad.

[quote]What happened to the dead to me thing?

It died of utter exhaustion.

Seriously, Julianne Moore.

Has Felicia Minei Behr issued a statement?

Patricia Bruder did a Locher Room last week. Ms Kathy, you stole her thunder toots!!!!

Kathy Hays at the end of this montage saying, 'Sorry, this is how I feel. It's that special' made me sob!!!

MARY, r109. It was all fake, dear. It probably took them 15 takes to get that perfect reaction shot of Miss Hays. She was an actress. Not a great one, but that's what she did for a living. Some of you queens crack me up with your drippy sentimentality. Think with your mind, not your heart, and you'll see things as they are, not as you'd like them to be.

r110 stop trolling. Can we have nothing sacred here?

Have Maura and her homely husband issued a statement?

I'm dating myself, but my first memory of Kim must have been when I was 4 or 5. My Grammy watched ATWT and I was at her house. The scene was the John's marital rape of Kim. I just remember him pushing her down on the bed and her pearls breaking and falling to the floor. That memory and the memory of Jennifer on Search for Tomorrow falling through the patio door are etched in my brain.

Has Kathleen Widdoes shown her tits on her Insta page in honor of Ms Hays?

What a Divo!

I got Larry Bryggman's autograph around that time, maybe later that year. I was 13 or 14 and spotted him at the Detroit airport. I waited until he came out of the bathroom to approach him. I'm still surprised he didn't tell me to get lost.

Honestly, I don't know how the ATWT studio still had any walls.

Liz Hubbard and Bryggman in the same scene would eat so much scenery.....I loved it, but seriously......

Bryggman was able to elevate anyone's performances. He and Kathy Hays were great. He and Liz Hubbard were great. He and Jacquie Schultz were great.

One of Marland's greatest flaws was he made Hal James's nemesis when we long-time viewers knew the real great rivalry was John and James.

💔💔💔💔

....

Has Rex Smith issued a statement yet?

Did Kathy ever see his huge cock, which he liked to show off on the set?

r121

has there even been verificata of his huge cock

She should have received hazard pay for having endured marriage to Glenn Ford.

R122, Have you read the Warhol Diaries or ever seen photos of him in his prime wearing tight leather pants?

Rex Smith is almost as hung as Don Hastings.

Yowza!

Julianne has always spoke fondly of Kathryn and Don. I think she even mentioned them on one of her last appearances on the Andi Coen Programme.

When the Farley Granger died, Julianne Moore went to the funeral. Because Granger was the long-time companion of World Turns Executive Producer Robert Calhoun, and Julianne wanted to pay her respects and comfort Calhoun.

R129 here - made a mistake

It was when Robert Calhoun died , and Julianne Moore went to the funeral to pay her respects and comfort his long-time companion Farley Granger - who would die 3 years later

I got it mixed up - sorry

Anybody need a lift from the funeral?

The divorce from Glenn Ford was as contentious as the marriage.

From the sounds of things, he was an abusive asshole.

She was no great actress, but I'll give her props for not being a lazy as McCunty or as luridly OTT as Hubbard or Sleestak.

I took all of the P&G vacation days.

Bless you soap queens, I'd forgotten about Rex Smith. Classically handsome, hot, and so cheesy.

I loved that r115. Bryggman was one of the few male actors on soaps with enough charisma to rival the women.

Julianne making a statement would give Kathryn's death more exposure in the mainstream. I don't know why she hasn't posted a tribute yet. It can't be because she's ashamed of her soap origins.

She died back in March, maybe Julianne doesn't know or maybe she already reached out privately. Some people think it's tacky to make public statements about this sort of thing.

Why did the daughter take so long to announce Kathy’s passing?

I'm waiting for the Conard Fowkes statement.

R141 is doing her ironing waiting for The Secret Storm to come on.

r142, you made my day for calling it "THE Secret Storm", as it should be. Thank you so much, doll. Idiotic, ignorant young people with no sense of tradition refer to it as "Secret Storm." It broke my heart the day they dropped "THE" from "THE Guiding Light" and "THE Edge of Night." It's something I've never gotten over, and to this day I hold a grudge against P&G that I will take to my grave.

Darling!

Indeed, R139

I'm looking at you, Sarah.

Julianne just posted a statement on Instagram.

The statement: The beautiful and gracious #KathrynHays has passed away. I worked with Kathryn on #AsTheWorldTurns at the beginning of my career and she treated me with such kindness and generosity, and demonstrated in her every action how to be professional on a set. I am indebted to and so saddened by her loss. My thoughts are with her family - she spoke to me so often of her daughter. I hope they know what a profound influence Kathryn had on me, and so many others. #RIP Kathryn ❤️❤️❤️ #ATWT

Is Julianne Moore on DL?

Julianne Moore just posted a sweet tribute to Kathryn Hays.   Classy...

‘Bout time, Julianne. Someone must have made you do it.

Of course Julianne would say the perfect thing.

I am in 😭.

r152=MARY! post of the year.

Was she the Empath on Star Trek?

Juliann, at last!!!

KH was so basic. She was never THE FACE of ATWT. That honor belonged at various times to Rosemary Prinz, Eileen Fulton, Martha Byrne, Liz Hubbard, and Maura West, but never to KH. KH always blended into the wallpaper, was kind of just there, if you get my drift. Mostly yawn inducing. She was ATWT's Maureen Bauer.

Yes, Julianne posted her tribute - no need for anyone else to link to it, we know, thank you!

takes a basic bitch to know one

Kim WAS the face of ATWT in the 70s, wasn’t she? After Irna Phillips died in 1973, and until the Dobsons arrived in 1980, she was the lead heroine of the show.

Cover and seven pages in December 1976.

Another cover in September 1977.

Wasn't Dan married to Susan and started an affair with Kim? Kim was always having affairs with married men.

[quote] Kim was always having affairs with married men.

Which is why when Kim took Seth Snyder to task for dating her three daughters, Seth should have said "Look who's talking"

Kim couldn't keep her legs closed to married men.

Kim was a tramp. She was just like that hussy niece of hers.

😁Leave it to Nancy Hughes to break out the receipts.

Nancy Hughes stayed faithful to Chris.

Sure, her lady muffin got a bit moist when she'd hear David Stewart's deep voice sometimes, and that Johnny Dixon made her all tingly in her nethers, but she stayed true!

And she called out those harlots and hussies....Kim, Lisa and Barbara!

The thing with Julianne is you know you wrote that herself, as opposed to some lackey writing it for her.

Has Maura (or any other soap stars like Lucci) said anything about her death on social media yet?

I would have jumped over my own sister for that long, thick Seth Snyder cock, too!

R169 Many listed upthread, but mostly people who worked with her.

As far as I could see, none of Maura's socials had anything nor did Scotty deFrietas.

Have we heard any comments from Dr. Bob or CZP?

Maura’s too busy turning her face into Joan Rivers.

Don Hastings had a comment that was in the original reports on TVLine, etc.

[quote] In a statement, ATWT scene partner Don Hastings said, “Our relationship as Bob and Kim was as close as Kathryn and my relationship, except we were not married. We were more like brother and sister and we were great friends. Our biggest squabble was that she always wanted to rehearse and I wanted to take a nap. This is a huge loss to all who knew her.”

Nothing from CZP yet. A whole bunch of responses are upthread.

Don seemed to be genuinely happy to see her in the Locher Room reunion and I have no doubt his comment(s) are genuine, but from what gossip has been shared here and other places, there were times he and Hays didn't get along as well.

I suppose that's probably true of most actors who are paired up in a long term coupling like that.

R175, Ya think?

Wake me when someone with talent dies.

.....

Go away, hateful troll, no one wants you here

RIP, kiddo.

Vee, who’s in the biz, wrote Julianne’s statement himself. Vee is in the biz you know.

I need to hear from the Drew Dixon Troll.

please block the troll at r156.

“Kathy Haysh could drink me under the table.” There. That’sh my shtatementsh.

Get out of her Colleen, you cheap tramp. We are here to celebrate the tramp who played your Trollop aunt.

Time Magazine photo of Kim in it's coverage of the end.

"in it's coverage"

Oh, dear!

nein

[quote]There are reasons, after all, fans mailed in bars of soap to protest the cancellation.

I sent a bar of Zest, and when that didn't work, a multi-pack of Ivory. All to no avail.

I remember there being an organized GL protest when it was cancelled. I heard about it from someone online. Supposedly in one of their biggest markets. Hundreds of people said they were coming and they got permits and everything.

The day came a few days later and literally, one person showed up.

How much money did Kathy Hays get paid on ATWT?

shhhhhh

Was Zest the one with cold cream in it or was Zest the one they were always dipping eye glasses into?

Eyeglasses, R193. Dove was the one with cold cream.

Kathy and the rest of the vets who were used sparingly (Hastings, Hubbard, Fulton, Holmes, Dolan, CZP) probably had minimal guarantees near the end. Probably got paid for at least one show per week, whether or not they appeared.

I think at a point most of the vets are just working to keep their SAG health insurance up to date.

I loved Kathryn Hays. She was one of the anchors of the show. Unlike Fulton, the writers used her often when appropriate. Even as she matured, she got some great storylines, like the Doug Cummings mystery and the Kim/Bob/Susan triangle. She definitely deserved to be nominated for her work after Kim discovered Bob's affair with Susan ...you could really feel her pain. I loved how Hays and Masters always had that hatred simmering in their scenes , even when the scene had nothing to do with their past.

Thanks to those who posted some of the great Kim/Susan scenes. I've been trying to find the one where Kim, Bob and Chris are having lunch in a diner, and Susan stumbles upon them, and the fur flies.

Meg Ryan's replacement Lindsay Frost has retired from acting and now paints full-time

and those she tweeted a few things the last two days, NOTHING about Kathryn Hays

Bad soap acting 101. FMB should've replaced her with a better and more dynamic actress, maybe one of her ABC buds like Robin Strasser or Christine Jones or Kathleen Noone. Any a them would've been divine as nuKim and brought some degree of energy to the character. Alas.

In honor of Kathy's passing, I ordered takeout this evening from The Pampered Palate.

Was she buried in a Simply Barracuda original?

I ordered two hot dogs with extra sauerkraut and mustard from Mabel's Red Hots in her honor, and fucked the delivery boy as an added honor.

Has Mr. Christopher Goutman issued a statement yet?

Kim Hughes, 87, of Oakdale died on March 25, 2022. She was a longtime media figure in Oakdale, as part owner of WOAK, and appeared on her own talk show, Patterns, for many years. She was also known to many as a singer.

In addition to her husband Dr. Bob Hughes, she is survived by her children, Sabrina Fullerton, Andy Dixon and Christopher Hughes, and by Frannie Hughes, who is both her stepdaughter and niece (don't ask!) as well as by granddaughter Hope Dixon, niece Barbara Ryan, stepson Tom Hughes, and numerous other nieces and nephews. She is also survived by former husband John Dixon and former stepdaughters Betsy and Emily Stewart. She was preceded in death by mother-in-law Nancy Hughes, sister Jennifer Hughes, and by the senseless death of the dignity, heart and soul of As The World Turns.

She leaves us all with beloved memories of our dear friend. Except for Susan Stewart, for which she had these words: "You think you're gonna try to sink your claws into Bob, kiddo? Better watch it, toots!"

In lieu of flowers, donations can be made to the Let's Find Jimmy Hoffa in Ellen Stewart's Hideous Curly Hair Fund.....or to your local animal shelter.

Trent Dawson (Gay Henry) wrote:

My very first day of shooting was with @terriconnqvc and the incomparable Kathryn Hays. I had to go toe to toe with Kathryn that day and trust me, she did not give an inch. She was a beautiful person who radiated grace. Thanks @thelocherroom for bringing us together one more time back in 2020. She will be missed.

[quote]I think at a point most of the vets are just working to keep their SAG health insurance up to date.

You know nothing about actors.

Courtney Simon responded to Miss Locher's tweet about her passing, writing "Talented, lovely, gracious. Kathy was a class act."

[quote] Is Julianne Moore on DL?

It does look a bit like we shamed her into a comment, doesn’t it? Hi, Julianne! We love you, seriously.

Has Miss Van Hansis commented yet?

R196 I thought these days, SAG-AFTRA just tells vets over 65 to go apply for their Medicare Part A & B benefit.

If the show was on the air, we would be able to say goodbye to Kathy and Kim properly.

Here is Julianne Moore’s statement on Instagram. What a class act.

Has Julianne Moore made a statement? If so, will someone please link to it. TIA!

Get it right, toots. Vee, who’s in the biz, wrote the statement for Julianne.

Kathryn's daughter shared this statement with Alan Locher.

[quote] People often ask me what it was like to grow up with "a famous actress for a mother". My usual reply was that I didn't grow up with a famous actress for a mother. I grew up with my mom for a mother. When I was growing up, I spent a lot of time hanging out on soundstages, backstages and in control rooms while she worked. We always had my grandparents nearby in case she had to travel for work. But when she came off the set or walked in the door, she was Mom and acting was the job she left behind. She loved me unconditionally, she was my biggest fan, but she set boundaries and she got on my case if my grades went down. As good moms do. That's why I cherish this picture - it was taken by my mother's oldest friend on the front lawn of her house. No one was wearing makeup, that's just how my mother looked and dressed around the house. And if we look like good friends in that picture, it's because we were. And although she never called me "Toots" or "Kiddo" or "Pal", she put a lot of herself into the character of Kim. So I understand why you all loved her and why she had a big effect on people over the years. Because I loved her, too and did my best to be like her. So thank you for sharing your memories of her , because we will miss her, too.

We can't link to FB here but the photo is of Kathryn and her daughter.

That's so sweet. Thanks, r215.

I wonder what Susan Lucci's daughter will say about her when the time comes?

[quote]I wonder what Susan Lucci's daughter will say about her when the time comes?

“Three weeks after her death, we celebrate that my mother, Susan Lucci, finally reached her goal weight.”

[quote] I thought these days, SAG-AFTRA just tells vets over 65 to go apply for their Medicare Part A & B benefit.

Working credits must still have something to do with health insurance. I know several of the ATWT and GL vets mentioned this on their social media accounts when there were contract negotiations a year or so ago.

[quote]You know nothing about actors.

We're not talking about actors who go from project to project. I think that soap actors who were on their shows 30 and 40 years would put healthcare costs at the top of their lists of most important things

If she was so wonderful, where the hell is her Emmy? Not even an Emmy nom all those years. She just was never of the same caliber as Emmy winners like Erika Slezak, Susan Lucci, or Kim Zimmer. They don't give out awards for barking toots and kiddo at someone. That's shtick, not acting. RIP, but face facts...she was no great shakes.

Emmys are given to asskissers or whoever buys one. It is very, very rarely given to the most deserving performer. Especially Daytime Emmys.

The best P&G actresses have DUIs.

Shhhhhhh

P&G actors tended to be snubbed during Emmy time.

I don’t think Kathryn Hays was searching for publicity or career advancement by the time she got ATWT. She was a working mother and grandmother.

Look at her IMDB-she has very few credits after she joined ATWT in 1972. Same with her Broadway credits.

I don’t recall her doing a ton of press either. If you look at the actresses in the 80s who were nominated and won Emmys, they were always appearing on talk shows or getting profiled in Soap Opera Digest.

She was probably very content having a steady acting job on a popular show.

Kathryn was ok. Just ok. The hand flailing and ticks were bad. She never even had an Emmy nod and I get why.

Her We Love Soaps interview from 2010 talks a bit about that time. She was a working mom (not a grandma yet) when she joined ATWT and she said for the first years she was on, she would be so exhausted after spending hours at the studio that she'd come home and collapse. Like Wyndham, McKinsey, et al she was supporting a child on her income.

Waiting for Chris Goitman………..spelled that way on purpose. Um………Chris

Lots of ATWT actors had nods, and even more had noms. If KH was so wonderful, where's the nom she ever got?

[quote]If she was so wonderful, where the hell is her Emmy? Not even an Emmy nom all those years. She just was never of the same caliber as Emmy winners like Erika Slezak, Susan Lucci, or Kim Zimmer.

You lost me at Susan Lucci. Even Kathryn Hays was a better actress than Susan Lucci. Actually, most community theater actors are better than Susan Lucci. I know she was very popular and was nominated 46 times before she finally won. But Susan Lucci positively sucks as an actress.

[quote]I don’t recall her doing a ton of press either. If you look at the actresses in the 80s who were nominated and won Emmys, they were always appearing on talk shows or getting profiled in Soap Opera Digest.

In the 70s, there were few TV outlets for the actors to appear. Phil Donahue did a few shows devoted to soaps. Maybe one or two a year. Tom Snyder's late night show Tomorrow did a soap themed show once a year or so. But when they did do soap themed episode, it was more talking about the phenomenon of soaps popularity or the themes they were tackling. It was never just an actor coming on to talk about his/her life or some story arc they were doing.

Mike Douglas and Merv Griffin rarely, if ever, devoted any time to the soaps. Don't recall Dinah Shore doing anything with soaps either.

In the 60s and 70s, P&G and the networks had the attitude they didn't want publicity for the actors. They wanted the audience to maintain the illusion they were the characters they portrayed. They wanted the audience to think of Mary Stuart only as Joanne Tate or Beverlee McKinsey only as Iris Carrington.

This was following Irna Phillip's lead of not wanting publicity for the actors and wanting the audience to never make the distinction between actor and character. In fact, when Irna was talking directly to the actors, she always addressed them by their character names. She always called Rosemary Prinz "Penny" to her face or Eileen Fulton as "Lisa" to her face.

As for print, there were few soap-related outlets like Daytime TV in the early 70s. Soap Digest didn't debut until 1975. These mags got the occasional interview with an actor, but that was the exception rather than the rule. By the late 70s, the shows were more willing to let the actors be interviewed.

In other words, she sucked.

Thank you Aunt Liz. RIP Kathryn Hays.

Has that difficult to work with Liz Hubbard released a statement yet?

R235, Has Eileen Fulton?

Eileen hasn’t shit out a statement yet. She must be constipated.

No word from the unfortunate-looking actor who played Andy?

[quote]I don’t recall her doing a ton of press either. If you look at the actresses in the 80s who were nominated and won Emmys, they were always appearing on talk shows or getting profiled in Soap Opera Digest.

When Soap Opera Digest debuted in 1975, it was a monthly magazine. The majority of its content was synopsis of each show. They had detailed synopses that ran 3-4 pages per soap. And there were about 12 soaps on the air at that point.

In 1980, it increased it's frequency and started coming out every three weeks. By 1982 or so, it increased frequency and started coming out every two weeks.

Digest went to a weekly format in 1993, following the lead of Soaps In Depth. The move was so Digest could remain competitive since at that point there were 6 to 8 soap magazines in print.

Most people want "it all"; family, house, career, sex life. Actors start off (like most of us) with lots of ambition and great enthusiasm. What you want from life and what you get are two different things. Someone like Vicky Wyndham maybe started off wanting to act in theatre but wound up in soaps at a young age, she enjoyed the work and the security a stable job provided. Someone like Maeve Kinkead wasn't on a soap until she was in her thirties. She too enjoyed steady work, security and the fact that she could have a family and enjoy other interests. Kathryn Hays was probably close to 40 when she started on ATWT, what a coup for an aging actress! She became a well known "mother figure" to fellow actors and fans alike, which probably gave her joy and comfort. These old soap actresses truly had it all, despite not being famous or having a useless award.

Perhaps her finest episode - Kim Hughes Discovers Douglas Cummings Is Her Secret Admirer

As Kathryn Hays sings "Someone To Watch Over Me"

[quote] If she was so wonderful, where the hell is her Emmy?

Because her role wasn't flashy like Elizabeth Hubbard or Eileen Fulton - I think people felt she was just playing herself, because role was the mother-hen role.

Kim reading Barbara for FILTH!

Y’all can try. But there nothing Emmy worthy by Kathryn Hays. She never even got an Emmy nomination for pete’s sake.

Working on a soap is tough, but if you like the stability of a somewhat reliable and steady paycheck that allows you have a pretty consistent life, then there is no better gig than a soap gig. Most actors never reach the level of money and fame as the big movie stars.

Kathryn Hays is one of those people who went to work, did her job, and didn't disrespect the genre, no matter how crazy it got and it gave her a pretty decent life. And soaps, in their heyday, the actors were just as big as some of the big stars. They weren't getting the same money and the fans may have called them by their characters names, but they were still mobbed out on the streets just the same.

Hayes may not have gotten Emmys or ranked high in the Daytime TV polls, but she was important to that show. Just as important as someone who got an award through campaigning and block voting and not on talent.

By the warm remembrances from both coworkers and fans, I'd say she was doing it right.

I so enjoyed my reunion with dear Kathy and Don on THE LOCHER ROOM in 2020. They were so happy to hear that I, Scoche Marin, would be the definitive Katherine Chancellor on THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS, television’s number one daytime drama.

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Soap actors were sometimes on game shows like match game in the 70s.

I remember her singing I Won’t Last A Day Without You to a TV set on the daytime Emmys from 1974 or 5.

Thanks for these clips, guys. I was always mainly an AMC guy, but I loved ATWT from 1985-1988–the Julianne years. She is what got me watching the show. I just happened upon it one day, probably on summer vacation, and was immediately taken with her. My mom had watched it, so I knew who all the vets were, but I always thought of it as a “boring” show..but those years were amazing. I remember the “Someone to Watch Over Me” reveal like it was yesterday!

AMC and ATWT were both the best in that era, with my two favorite soap actresses, Julianne and Kate Collins.

This thread makes me miss my friend who passed away in 2019. In high school and in college, he and I were very into ATWT, and we quoted Kim all the time..”kiddo” and “toots” of course. We didn’t talk all the time, but we would often reminisce about the glory days of ATWT. He’d often made fun of me back then about my Julianne “obsession” but later had to admit that I was right about her becoming a big star. And of course, we would always remember Liz Hubbard’s ad-libs!

I wish he was still here so we could mourn the passing of “Kiddo” together.

Kathryn Hays most memorable moments were when she was chewing out someone who needed it, like Barbara, John Dixon, that Eve Harrington - wannabe Janice or especially Susan Stewart. But as enjoyable as those clips are, her finest moments were when she found out Bob and Susan had hit the sheets.

This thread also reminds me of how devastated I was when hottie Gregg Marx left and was replaced by that boring Scott Holmes. When HBS was replaced by Ellen Dolan…I really started losing interest.

I think John Colenback (Dan Stewart) would have been great in the sack. I bet he got it on with the likes of Curt Dawson, David O’Brien and Paul Shenar.

[quote] I think John Colenback (Dan Stewart) would have been great in the sack.

Irna Phillips fired him (along with the rest of the Stewart family) when Colenback exercised a leave of absence in his contract to do a play

God, a scene with her and Bob was like watching paint dry, which is insulting to wet paint. Everyone on this little old lady show was boring and seemed like they were 100 years old. You bitches should've watched the competing high energy and more intelligent OLTL. That's the show educated and sophisticated urbanites like me watched. People like Slezak, Strasser, and Andrea Evans had charisma and talent to spare compared to the lifeless ATWT "theater" actors.

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ATWT was always the old lady gramma soap.

I am so sick of the troll in this thread. He is also the person who writes insulting comments about Eileen Fulton. I can't stand reading it.

Block him, r259. Know that he has four different IDs, however.

Don Hastings is known for being one of the nicest guys ever on soaps so if there was ever a rift between him and Kathy it was Kathy’s fault.

I agree with the poster who said Scott Holmes was boring as Tom Hughes.

I saw him in The Rink, pleasant singing voice but dull as dishwater.

"You bitches should've watched the competing high energy and more intelligent OLTL."

This is the funniest criticism of ATWT to me. There was NO soap in the late Eighties that was more high-energy than ATWT. A dozen stories going on at once; a huge cast; a large, rowdy, new family (the Snyders) being integrated into the show; tons of extras running around the hospital and the Mona Lisa... It was so vibrant compared to something like Y&R, where we could watch Nikki or Ashley stare at vases of flowers for what seemed like hours as they experienced unnecessary flashbacks.

And I certainly was not a "grandma" back then. I was a teenager, and I related more to the teens on ATWT than on any other show.

Everything seemed boring and old about ATWT. The actors, the characters, the viewers, everything, even the name of the show. Watching that show was a very passive experience. Dull dull dull. You should've been watching Days. While me and my friends were captivated by Marlena's possession and Patch and Kayla, the ATWT viewers being put to sleep by boring old people pouring coffee and having a boring conversation about some boring character's boring trials and tribulations.

Days was a cartoon soap for infantile people. ATWT was about real people with real problems.

^Which one is still on the air, TOOTS?

r266 because, in case you didn't notice, society in general has regressed to be dumb as hell. That is reflected in the fact that the soaps which are left are garbage with terrible writers and even worse actors.

ATWT always had the old lady demos. Their main audience was old ladies who fell asleep after lunch with the tv tuned to ATWT.

ATWT was background noise as the house fraus ironed or vacuumed. No one was really paying attention to what was going on on-screen. The only people who really got into the show and took it seriously, as evidenced on this board, were sad gays looking for a surrogate family and community, since their own families and communities rejected them for being homosexuals.

[quote]They weren't getting the same money and the fans may have called them by their characters names, but they were still mobbed out on the streets just the same.

And more than 10 million viewers a day were watching ATWT at its height, the most popular soap of its day, so its actors were particularly popular.

R265, yes. Realistic. My sister was sent to a spa and aged 50 years by a sociopathic villain who came back from the dead many, many times. My sister said it was harrowing but healing to watch Carly, Rose & Emily endure what she’d gone through.

r271, that wasn't the norm though. If anything that was the kind of stupid shit which Days did on the regular, which you praise it for.

Until multiple people write to Muriel and tell her we'll stop our paying accounts until she blocks the mentally ill, deeply disturbed troll, it will continue to infest our boards. It's blocked at SON so it goes where it can.

Let's make no mistake. All soaps are mindless programming for the masses, always have been. Some are just stupider than others. Some people, like myself, watch for the hot hunks. Some people want to escape their humdrum little lives and live vicariously through larger than life characters. Others are looking for surrogate families. But ultimately, these shows are/were always dumb and just a vehicle to sell products to uneducated flyover housewives. I can enjoy watching these silly shows and admit that they're pure mindless escapism. The people that take them too seriously are a bit scary.

Just ignore the troll - they only want attention. and by responding you are feeding that attention.

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I don't why people have to trash Days to prove some silly point. Soaps, all soaps, were always over the top in their own way. Maybe ATWT wasn't freezing the world, but how many real life people do you know are involved in a murder mystery every sweeps period? There was Mr. Big and James Stenbeck and mysterious castles, and women falling up the stairs to miscarry. Soaps, by nature, have always been over the top, even AWT

Has Marie Masters issued a statement yet on the passing of her beloved friend Kathryn?

Soaps were never prized for their writing. Bryggman was justifiably trashing the show and the genre from the day he started on the show. They were always bad, but in a fun sort of way. So bad you had to watch. Only uneducated people and/or people looking for surrogate families actually took them seriously.

Soaps are always a bit larger than life.

We often point a finger at DAYS and GH because they have the most obvious examples, but a lot of us that post here liked the more traditional type show, and were disappointed when those shows started doing everything to be anything other than the shows we came to watch.

So if this show were still on the air and they acknowledged Kim's passing, which past characters/actors would the writers have brought back for the funeral episode?

Douglas Marland was a genius storyteller. I won't allow this troll to say soaps are trash and intelligent knowing it's not the case.

Doug Marland was a whiney queeny homo who hated women. Putting a picture of Gloria Monty in his toilet so he could shit on it and his falling out with Agnes Nixon are a couple examples. He even violated his own “10 rules” crap.

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"The only people who really got into the show and took it seriously, as evidenced on this board, were sad gays looking for a surrogate family and community, since their own families and communities rejected them for being homosexuals."

I don't think too many gay people were "sad" when ATWT brought on the first out gay male character.

If this had happened in, say, 2008, and someone competent was writing the show (and they had a budget), I would guess the following characters would return for Kim’s funeral :

Andy, Hope, Dee, Annie and the quads, Ellen, Betsy, Dani, Penny, Don, Mary, Ryder, Christina Hughes, John, Lyla, Grant….

Actually they could have used the funeral to introduce new younger characters, like Annie’s kids and Christina.

OMG and Frannie and Sabrina!

I started watching ATWT when I was 19. It was good fun and mostly well acted; I remember Marisa Tomei stirring up trouble and then came hot Holden.

I started watching ATWT with my mom in the summers in the early 80s, when Annie, Dee, Barbara, and Melinda were the center of the show. Soooo boring. Then the Dobsons made John the center of the show and brought on an actually feisty female in Margo and recast Tom with Justin Deas, then Betsy and Steve THAT was when the show kicked into gear. After the nonsense of the McCall family swallowing the show, Marland came along and put all the pieces together for greatness. There were enough pieces left that almost up until the end you could hope someone could make that magic again. That's how well Marland set up the show.

Gay male viewers have NEVER been a demo that advertisers on soap opera strive to get. Yes, lots of gay men watch soap operas but that doesn’t mean anything in the business part of show business. Soap operas target women 18-49 and 25-54. Only. Gay men are not taken into consideration when it comes down to advertising. I laugh when gay men bitch about the soaps. No one cares what you think!! They are not listening to you.

You should have seen Doug work when he wrote the show. It was all off the cuff and just flowed from him. He would know where to start each scene and start dictating who said what and when and where they moved around the set (honestly, it was a cushy gig for the other writers because he was dictating a fully realized script).

He had such an amazing sense of story.

And to the earlier poster who called him a misogynist for having a picture of Gloria Monty above his downstairs guest toilet, he was anything but. However, Gloria was horrid to him, so that was a humorous way of venting.

Never heard about issues with Agnes. I know he enjoyed a great relationship with Pam Long and thought very highly of her and her work, which was in a very different style from his own.

That “Hello, Barbara” reveal with James Stenbeck was a hell of a shocker! It was fun back then without all the spoilers. In high school, I watched a bit of pretty much all the soaps to a degree…They all had their moments but I could never really get into Y&R or OLTL for long. I’d watch them if I was home, but I never taped them or anything. I went through a brief DAYS period, and AW was my #3 soap after AMC and ATWT.

Oh, and I also would have fucked Seth Snyder in the moonlight by the pond.

R291 You need a clue. Loving, created by Agnes and Doug, blew up in their faces. Doug had one of his notorious queeny stomp his foot moments and Aggie and Doug parted ways. Doug was such a queen. And not a good one.

Eileen Fulton has not commented because she believes it was Gabby Hayes who died.

R293, you’re ridiculous. You didn’t know Doug. You’re dig shit on my shoe, given the venom in your reply.

Wish mommy would have hugged you more.

Patrick Mulcahey, is that you? Go get tied up somewhere. lol

No mention of her husband, Wolf Lieshke. Can't find any pictures of him, either. Who is this mystery man?

Did Margaret McLarty attend Kathy’s service?

Brian Bloom is one actor who did not think Doug Marland walked on water

Liz Hubbard also hated Queen Marland.

Elizabeth Hubbard thought she was Tallulah Bankhead.

r300

really? She had her best years with Marland

Marland was a fine writer, I don't particularly think he walked on water like a most soap fans, but he had some good stories and he had some stinkers, just like most soap writers. No writer could have all winners when you're writing a never ending story with 250 episodes a year, it's just not possible. I'm also sure he was a nice man, but he was human and I'm sure he made mistakes like most other humans.

[quote]She had her best years with Marland

I think Hubbard held a grudge for him writing her off The Doctors. Marland did not do a great job on The Doctors.

I've always loved Marland's work, but I wouldn't say he walked on water. As with almost every writer, his best work was coming into a show as a new writer and seeing what needed to be changed, added or eliminated. He really performed a miracle at ATWT, which was the cure for insomnia before his arrival and became something witty, urbane and multigenerational after he was there for a year.

But he did have weak periods. Losing Julianne, Martha and Margo all within about a year really brought story to a stop. The Carolyn Crawford story remains a story no one understood or cared about. (To be fair, that was written and rewritten during the strike as much as Sonni/Solita was over at GL.)

I didn't get the sense from Hubbard's Locher Room appearance that she hated Marland, but it was the only weird thing from that discussion that she said he focused on young love.

He gave her so much story during that time! I think perhaps she was just personally frustrated she wasn't in those kind of stories, the ones she'd been in when she was Althea and had handsome devil Nick making a fuss over her. She was older as Lucinda and could not play the ingenue or even the young professional any more. And I say this as someone who loves her work.

Why has Meg Ryan been silent? Where the fuck is her statement?

Would you have accepted Kathy as NuNuNuVivian on Days?

Meg Ryan MUST make a statement.

[quote]Meg Ryan MUST make a statement.

I agree!

Frank Runyeon was hot as fuck on ATWT.

R310 Unfortunately, he caught a bad case of the Baby Jeebus fever after he left.

[quote]Unfortunately, he caught a bad case of the Baby Jeebus fever after he left.

Frank Runyeon played a priest on Santa Barbara for three years, 1988-1991. A couple of years later, he went into the seminary. Wonder if the Santa Barbara experience is what stirred that religious interest.

Meanwhile, Doug Marland treated him like shit. Wouldn't do anything with Steve at all. Gave him nothing to do. This for the man who's on-screen wedding brought the show its highest rating ever.

I too wish they had kept the character of Steve, R312, but I can see how the situation went south. Marland was very much about the ensemble, and he was never going to let any super couple take over the show, or even become a super couple in the first place. Look how many roadblocks he threw in the way of Tom/Margo, Craig/Sierra, Holden/Lily. He didn't even allow Holden to "take" Lily's precious virginity! So if Runyeon was throwing his weight around after the big wedding, and Betsy had already been recast...

Runyeon was hot but he was like a dog with three expressions - all of them growly.

Runyeon was on Falcon Crest trying to fuck Kristian Alfonso. That’s enough to make anyone want to quit acting.

[quote]I too wish they had kept the character of Steve

Did Frank leave or was he fired?

If Marland wasn't going to write for him, I can see the show dropping him to save money. But at the same time, its a bad PR move to fire the man who gave the show its highest rated episode ever.

But I always assumed Frank quit when his contract came up since it would have been obvious to him Marland wasn't going to write for him.

Before Marland came to ATWT, the show's biggest draw was super-couple Steve and Betsy. Their trials and tribulations catapulted ATWT to high ratings when the couple finally tied the knot . But once they were married, and the show had to recast a departing Ryan, things took a downward turn. First, it's hard to write for a happily married couple on soaps. Second, Ryan's recast Lindsay Frost had ZERO chemistry with Runyeon. Third, Marland was a big believer in ensemble casting (as R313 stated), so he didn't want one couple swallowing the show. Runyeon was probably pissed, because he started having grade-B storylines. What probably made it worse for him was having his rival for Betsy on the show (Scott Bryce's Craig Montgomerry) suddenly becoming the show's hero. The character became paranoid and jealous, ending up in a Greek prison.

Why hasn’t that trollop Colleen commented? Tell me, dear, does the car always start when you breathe into it?

R317 Thanks, kiddo.

Frank Runyeon was great, but the character was limited. The new Betsy was a horrible actress and looked like a linebacker. Funny what a huge career Meg Ryan went on to have.

I kind of respect him for going off and doing his seminary thing. I don't mind religious people as long as they stick to their personal faith and aren't proselytizing or attacking others.

Sometimes writers don't know what to do with popular characters. Marland has a track record of this. Doesn't mean he's bad or good, it's just the way it works out sometimes.

Marland fucked up The Doctors. He wasn't able to write for Liz Hubbard's Althea Davis, he marginalized the hospital to where it was almost a non-entity, and expanded the dull Dancy family (basically an earlier version of his Reardons and Snyders) at the expense of the rest of the show. Having said that, it was his writing of young love stories on The Doctors that got him noticed by Gloria Monty, and she hired him for GH, and the rest is history.

Goddamn did he fuck up The Doctors. But, in his defense original recipe Nola and Luke were fun.

Marland wanted young actors (JWS) to suck his toes. He got off on that. Didn’t Agnes literally laugh at his “10 rules” because he had broken most of them. lol No, Doug NEVER got rid of any character or brought a new character on ATWT on 6 months. lolololololol

Pussycat!

No, Marland did not want young actors to suck his toes. He jerked off from his kitchen/bathroom windows watching young actors cavort barefoot around his pool.

R326 Ignore that poster. He's mentally ill and posts completely wackadoodle shit to get a response.

If he's even remotely serious, he doesn't seem to understand how a foot fetish works.....or that Marland would have been sucking on their toes and not the other way around.

Doug was a good writer, definitely up there with the best, but I found his writing to be humorless and pompous. For my money, Bill and Agnes were the best, bar none. Although Bill's dialogue was hilariously intentionally stilted and highly stylized, no one could wring as much drama out of a story as he could. He played all the beats and then some. Agnes was also a genius storyteller. More than anyone, she mixed old-school style with contemporary storytelling, and she had such wonderfully unique, quirky Dickensian characters that couldn't be found anywhere else. Her writing was also full of heart, and she was also unequaled in her use of humor and an intelligent approach to social issues. I was saddened that Agnes and Doug clashed over Loving. On paper, it should've been an amazing collaboration. The first year of Loving was great, and you could sense elements from both writers.

Like I said, mentally ill. Nuttier than a squirrel turd.

Patsy Bruder looked great on Miss Locher's interview the other day. Hard to believe she played Kathy's MOTHER-IN-LAW, even though they were theoretically both part of the Bob/Penny/Don/Lisa/John etc generation.

Agnes Nixon is overrated. And it galls me that she always took credit for OLTL's greatest storylines which were actually the work of her protege Gordon Russell.

I scroll past this thread every day but I still gasp again at first glance when I think it says Kathryn Hahn!

I thought Marland did a great job with ATWT. He took awhile before he decided which characters were working out, and which weren't. He took villainous Craig Montgomery and slowly turned him into a hero. He did the opposite with Barbara, changing her from the always put-upon victim to a scheming bitch. Instead of planting all seven Snyders on the front burner after he took over, he slowly intoduced them one-by-one, always tying them to an established character (Holden to Lily, Seth to Frannie, Meg to Dusty, etc). I remember Mama Emma having telephone conversations with off-screen kids Caleb and Ellie YEARS before we actually saw them.

[quote]I remember Mama Emma having telephone conversations with off-screen kids Caleb and Ellie YEARS before we actually saw them.

Was anyone listening on the Snyder Farm Eavesdropping Porch?

Kathleen Widdoes became Emma Snyder in 1985 and was in the 50th Anniversary episode in 2008. She wasn't seen during the last few months before the final episode in 2010.

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

I remember someone on the old Media Domain boards calling the Snyders (low rent Frames)

The Snyders seemed to have a lot in common with the Reardons.

But the Snyders were supposedly drawn from Marland's own life to a degree. Seth Snyder was in some ways Doug's stand in (well, except for Doug being gay) and Emma was very much like Doug's mother.

I wonder if Doug had stayed at GL if we'd have seen the other Reardon siblings?

[quote] Kathleen Widdoes wasn't seen during the last few months before the final episode in 2010.

Someone on DL mentioned she had to depart early from the series finale due to medical reasons.

When I watched ATWT in the early 1990s, I always liked the friendship between Susan and Lyla. It seemed like a realistic and natural friendship. Susan was a doctor at the hospital and Lyla was a nurse. They both were middle age and had adult children. I appreciated that Marland tried to portray characters as having friends. I love to see scenes where characters are actually acting like regular people doing ordinary tasks. The scenes may not move the story along, but it helps to develop characters and relationships. One of my favorite scenes was Susan and Lyla (at one of their homes) painting their nails together, wearing facials, and just talking like two friends would.

If you had to pick your favorite verbal catfight on ATWT, what would it be?

I started watching again when Sheffer started. I loved what he did with the show. It was the first time it actually felt modern and fun, at least to me. I'm probably in the minority, but it didn't seem so heavy.

R342, I agree that Sheffer started off great. He took one storyline (the unraveling of Barbara and Hal's marriage) and spun a million different tangents from it. Like Marland, he plucked Barbara off the backburner and mad her a force to be reckoned with. Unfortunately, after about a year and a half, he ran out of plot and the show gave us horrible characters like Ameera, Liberty, Gabriel and those awful Z Twins.

R328, I agree. The first year of LOVING was great.

I loved Loving that first year. At the time, most of the soaps were copying GH. Even "my show" AMC, seemed to be de-emphasizing the family units and doing silly action adventure stuff (Lars Bogard revealed as a Nazi!). Loving placed emphasis on families, community, with a small-town vibe. It was a traditional show in terms of structure, but just seemed so contemporary in its approach to storytelling without sacrificing the basic elements that other shows were carelessly tossing aside to become a GH clone. It combined Agnes's trademark humor and intelligence with Doug's more austere approach to storytelling. I have no idea what was going on behind the scenes, but what showed up on screen seemed like a dream marriage between the two of them.

I always wanted my girl Shannon Tweed to be on a P&G soap. I thought she would've made a terrific Maureen Bauer over that boring, coma-inducing Ellen Parker. What do think of her as Frannie Hughes? She would've really sexed up that dull family. Shannon is such a charismatic actress. She would've shown them how it was done!!! Can you imagine her paired with a recast sexy Cameron Mathison as Drew Dixon. The sparks would've flown between those two sexy mother fuckers. Viewers would've been saying, Julienne who? and Homely who?

You fucked up troll at r346. Andy and Frannie were first cousins. The Snyders were all about incest, not the Hugheses.

Kathleen Widdoes used to flash her tits at everyone in the makeup room. Van Hansis was particularly unimpressed with his gramma’s titties.

R348, She was married to Richard Jordan in his prime, long before he was with Blair Brown.

I saw a recent interview with Annie Parisse. The interviewer asked her about her time on the soaps, and she basically bashed ATWT and the genre as a whole. The interviewer was bad too, joking about soaps with her as subpar entertainment. The only positive thing she said that was that Kathleen Widdoes was in the cast and referred to her as a fabulous theater actress. Her husband was into real estate and gave Annie some pointers about buying a co-op in Manhattan.

R343 Those characters were long after Hogan's time.

Hogan and Goutman had a decent first few years, but once Hogan left, it was a mess. And then when MADD left, both he and Wheeler at GL were basically doing double duty and both just got so burned out - and it showed on screen. Everyone involved (except for the actors) stopped giving a fuck around 2006.

Robin Christopher would have been an incredible Frannie and Sabrina recast. They should have brought her onto ATWT in the 90s instead of Another World. Love her as Skye on AMC.

Annie Parisse was duller than dishwater and read 10 years older than her actual age. Her two main co-stars, Michael Park and Maura West, are laughing to the bank. They’ve both had highly successful and consistent careers since ATWT. Keep doing episodics and C-level film roles, Annie.

They used the template of Reva/Josh/Annie on Guiding Light for Carly/Jack/Julia on ATWT. That's why Julia became psycho overnight.

r352

There were many characters I never understood why they never brought back, Frannie/Sabrina, and Andy come to mind off the top of my head

Hogan's take on Craig Montgomery was perfection. Hunt Block just oozed sex appeal and chemistry with everyone. He was playful and a rascal. Loved him. Also loved Lily and Simon and the Rose storyline.

R352 Yes, she would have been miles better than that terrible Mary Ellen Walters.

R341 There weren't many catfights per se - some good reads but not many catfights.

But any Kim/Susan scene was always a hoot. This is the one Kathryn mentioned in a We Love Soaps interview.

Was Rose thr character Martha played who was only distinguishable from Lily due to her different hair color and tragic attempt at an accent?

I think they had the same hair color (brown), just styled differently.

I thought she was really bad on that role. Martha was an outstanding teen actress but I felt like she regressed over the years, and another character was beyond her.

This is a show where Julianne once played half-sisters and many viewers had no clue to was the same actress. Martha shouldn’t have attempted something similar.

"This is a show where Julianne once played half-sisters and many viewers had no clue to was the same actress."

Oh, come on... And I daresay Martha's Jersey accent was better than Julianne's English accent.

[quote] And I daresay Martha's Jersey accent was better than Julianne's English accent

Martha is from New Jersey

Martha was just playing herself when she was playing Rose, that is how Martha is in real-life

Martha Byrne grew up in Ridgewood. How could she have a bad New Jersey accent? Even if she didn't give off the dulcet tones of the state of her birth every time she opened her mouth, she would have heard it often enough to know just how to do it.

Her accent was terrible. She was trying to play this tough-as-nails, cheap type of character, and she went so broad and cheesy. It was painful to watch.

Julianne Moore's attempt at an English accent when she played Sabrina was comical. It was like she was trying to riff the equally unconvincing Dick van Dyke in Mary Poppins.

Kate Collins, Phil Carey and Louise Sorel are among the many actors who were never nominated for an Emmy.

As well as Lisa Brown and, unthinkably, Beverlee McKinsey

Kate Collins' oversight is a travesty. She single-handedly carried AMC during a rough patch on 86 and 87. Is Susan Lucci really a better actress?

Kate Collins, Fiona Hutchison and Beverlee McKinsey should all have Emmys.

Kate Collins - bleh. Could never stand her resting bitch face.

R356, I couldn't disagree with you more. Scott Bryce's Craig was acting at his best. He never played him as black or white. When he was villainous Craig, he always made you feel for him; when he was heroic Craig, you always saw the flaws. Hunt Block's Craig was a one-note joke. He was highly entertaining, but could never play anything besides the snide rogue. On the other hand, at least he didn't commit the unpardonable sin of making Craig boring, like Jon Lindstrom did.

R361, if I'm not mistaken, Martha was the first ATWT woman to win best Lead Actress, and it was because of the Lily/Rose roles.

R366, Julianne should have called Patty Duke for some tips.

Flash in the pans like Hogan usually burned out quickly. It's not that extraordinary to take over a show and make it compelling in the short-term, but soaps obviously need to be set up for longterm durability.

R372: "if I'm not mistaken, Martha was the first ATWT woman to win best Lead Actress"

This makes me want to tear my hair out. Hubbard, Brown, Hays, Zenk, Bailey-Smith... OMG!!! Why did the actresses on this show not get the respect they deserved?

[quote]Why did the actresses on this show not get the respect they deserved?

Because they didn't know how to vote. I love people who are still so naive to think that acting awards are about acting.

Is Ms. Zenk going to remain silent?

r375, you left out Fulton.

R377, Is she still in remission?

Have Mr. and Mrs. Chris Goutman issued a statement yet? Well have they?

Has that hunky Scott Defreitas issued a statement yet?

Aw. She looked remarkably like my mother and even dressed like her. She was one of my favorites on ATWT back in the 80s when I watched the CBS soaps.

R381 had macular degeneration.

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The P&G gals could drink all of the Emmy voters under the table!

DARLING!

What are your favorite Kim/Drew scenes?

No.

Have Larry Bryggman and Scott DeFreitas issued any statements about Kathryn Hayes' passing?

A real actress, June Brown, beloved as Dot Cotton on EastEnders, died this past week. She put hair model Kathy Hays to shame. We should be celebrating the acting of June, not the one-trick pony "acting" of Hays. Barking "toots" or "kiddo" to someone is NOT acting.

What about the one who played that treacherous bitch Janice who tried to steal Kim’s Patterns gig? She needs to put out a public statement, too.

Billie Eyelash's mom needs to make a statement too!

Santos Ortega breaks his silence.

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Helen Wagner welcomed Kathryn. Get away from that trollop CZP, she said.

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Colleen drove her car through Helen’s house.

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R390 The June Brown thread. Not much action.

No statement from former stepson Peter Ford, who spoke of her kindly in his documentary on Glenn.

Are Martha and Maura the only ATWT cast members to win Lead Actress Emmys?

I think Eileen won an Emmy for Best Toilet Clogger. Or was that at the Soapys? She won four or five times.

R401 Yes, it was Martha and Maura who won. Liz was nominated numerous times, and Colleen was nominated in lead at one point.

Larry Bryggman won in the 80s and Michael Park won the last two years for Best Actor.

Supporting Actress ATWT winners include Lesli Kay, Cady McClain and (ugh) Julie Pinson.

Supporting Actor: Justin Deas and Gregg Marx both won as Tom, John Wesley Shipp, and Ben Hendrickson.

Martha also won as Younger Actress; Julianne Moore won the year after Martha, and then Jennifer Landon won for several years in a row.

Younger Actor winners were Brian Bloom and Andy Kavovit.

When I first started really watching ATWT in 1985, Julianne and Marisa Tomei were the “ingenues” but there was briefly this other character named SPREE. She wasn’t on for long, and I remember her looking a lot like Marisa/Marcy. What was her deal? And was Marcy written out when Marland took over or was it just because Marisa got A Different World?

Elder gays will remember that Margaret Hamilton would step in when the actress playing Lisa's mother would be out on sick leave.

Julianne and Marisa. For some reason I thought they were on longer together, but Marisa was there from 1984-1985, and Julianne was there from 1985 to 1988.

Haha, I found “Spree” …at 10:50 in this clip. The dude in the scene with her always reminded me of a gay porn star. The show didn’t REALLY get good until LATE 1985–by 1986 it was firing on all cylinders.

Sorry for flooding this thread with clips. As penance, I will say 3 “kiddos” and 2 “toots”.

The joke used to be that Kathy Hays was such a non-entity on ATWT, that the only reason she kept her job for so many years is because they simply forgot to fire her. Let's face it. She was no great shakes as an actress, and she pretty much blended with the wallpaper. There's a reason she was never nominated for an Emmy, and it has nothing to do with backstage politics or block voting. Kim Zimmer, Erika Slezak, Helen Gallagher, Liz Hubbard, Mary Fickett, Marcy Walker, Susan Lucci, Irene Dailey, Robin Strasser, Sue Flannery, etc., all have lead Emmys, and they deserved them. There was a high quality to their work that Kathy could just never achieve. RIP, yes, but let's not pretend she was the second coming of Sarah Bernhardt.

Kathryn Hays was no Jeanne Cooper.

Kathryn Hays was no Katherine Kelly Lang. KKL is an acting goddess who could've given KH some lessons in how it's done.

Is Vicky Fuckton polluting this thread too? Ugh!!!! Ugly bastard.

R408 You are not wrong. Kathryn Hays always acted like she acted. Big mistake. You never do that as an actor. We always knew that Kathryn was acting. It wasn’t natural. The audience picked up on the unnaturalness of her acting.

Unlike Jeanne, Kathryn could actually act without a drink or cue cards

R404 Marisa was written out, as well as a handful of other characters, when Marland took over. He basically trimmed all the characters that didn't have a strong relation to key characters.

Watching some of those old clips…How did Breck Jamison (Jay Connors) last 3 years on the show??? He was terrible.

I’ve almost up to the trial for Douglas Cummings’ murder. Kiddo on trial!

Marland's bible for the show shortly before he began......there are several posts on this blog about it, but this is part 4 and covers a lot of the loose ends.

R415 is right. A friend of mine had a good laugh at me when he caught me watching ATWT while Jay clumsily romanced the non-Julianne Franny with a gift of a star--"it's star Franny."

Marland was an overrated hack. Hen wasn't awful-awful, but I'd place him on the same rung as Leah Laiman or Dena Higley. Hackish with some decent moments. He can't come close to people like Guza, Carlivati, Hogan Sheffer, etc.

March was married to Stewart and gone before Marland. He did have them mentioned at appropriate times later. Kirk was gone before Marland too.

Marland had Douglas or Marsha kill Jay.

[quote] Marisa was written out, as well as a handful of other characters, when Marland took over. He basically trimmed all the characters that didn't have a strong relation to key characters.

But in fairness Marisa also wanted out - you have to memorize tons of dialogue everyday, and it gets to the point where you are just reciting words - and Marisa said she didn't want to be that type of actress. Just recapping the plot or just trying to get out pages of dialogue a day.

[quote]Marisa was written out, as well as a handful of other characters, when Marland took over.

Marland's Rules - #9:

Don't fire anyone for six months. I feel very deeply that you should look at the show's canvas before you do anything.

Hmmm...

Marland broke his own rules, quite often. The pedestal that he is put on is quite ridiculous. It’s so fitting that he never won an Emmy for ATWT.

Wasn’t Doug ‘Marland doing some uncredited consulting on ATWT before he officially became head writer ? I think he was listed as head writer by the fall of 1985, but his work is definitely on air before that.

Kim and Bob’s wedding, and Nancy and Chris’ return, happened under Susie Horgan.

When I visited The Paley Center to view an old TV show, the guy who helped me figure out how the terminals worked was Chris Goutman. Didn't admit I knew who he was.

R424 You should have spit in his face.

I miss Chris Goutman.

Chris Goutman was a great EP. I miss him.

Wasn't someone here going to take a giant dump on his star on some walk of fame?

This won't be popular, but I'm going to defend Chris Goutman. Chris' work on ATWT probably kept the show on well past its expiration date or well past how long both P&G and CBS wanted to keep it on air. I'm not saying the man was perfect, but he had a tough job and very little money to put on 250 episodes a year. He had to make difficult, and often unpopular decisions, to keep the lights on. And when it comes down to it, P&G wanted out of soaps, and CBS wanted those two hours back. There was nothing ATWT and GL could have done to survive. At least both ABC and NBC made offers to purchase Another World (which PG turned down, which should tell you what the plan was), no such offers were made for ATWT and GL.

[quote] At least both ABC and NBC made offers to purchase Another World (which PG turned down, which should tell you what the plan was),

ABC made an offer on Another World???????????

When??? Why????

I know ABC was in negotiations to get Days in the late 90s, but Another World?

I've never heard about that either, Liz.

I know AW was originally intended for CBS but they had no room for it.

I remember there were stories around the time of AW’s cancellation that ABC wanted to pick it up.

Just seems so odd, unless ABC was expecting to cut it to 30 minutes and replace LOVING.

Of course all the shows should have cut back to 30 minutes....might have saved them.

[quote] I remember there were stories around the time of AW’s cancellation that ABC wanted to pick it up.

They just launched SoapNet and thought they could increase the ratings and subscriber base by having AW ONLY on SoapNet

But the deal fell apart - and that is why later on SoapNet ran reruns of AW. To get that audience, but by that time interest in AW just waned

[quote] Just seems so odd, unless ABC was expecting to cut it to 30 minutes and replace LOVING.

Loving was cancelled two years before AW was axed

In 1999, after NBC announced AW cancellation, ABC wanted to buy the Felicia Gallant character but P&G refused. That's why they brought back Gretel Rae Cummings instead.

I never heard anything about ABC wanting to buy the whole show. And why would they want to do it in 1999 when the show was in such bad shape?

R435 see R434

[quote]They just launched SoapNet and thought they could increase the ratings and subscriber base by having AW ONLY on SoapNet

AW was cancelled in June 1999. SoapNet launched in Jan. 2000.

That would have been an intriguing strategy to launch SoapNet with exclusive content like new episodes of AW. Somebody was forward thinking with that idea.

But at the same time, many cable companies were slow to add SoapNet. My cable company didn't add it until 2006. So if it had happened and SoapNet launched with new AW episodes, the ratings would have been very, very low.

I don't know if Marland actually broke his rule. I think the McColls were all gone before he got there or on their way out (except for Brian, of course). Same with Stewart and Marcy. Did Marland write out Maggie and Frank? Cal, Marie, and Kevin were leftovers from the previous writers, but they lasted about 6 months.

When "Another World" ended in 1999 after 35 years, NBC sold the studios on East 14th Street in the Midwood section of Brooklyn they owned since 1952. Became JG Studios home of "As the World Turns" from 2000 to the end in 2010. JG went bankrupt in 2015. NBC Studio 1 is now Ohel Family and Children's Services. Studio 2 is a Self-Storage.

[quote] Cal, Marie, and Kevin were leftovers from the previous writers, but they lasted about 6 months.

Were rolled into the Doug Cumming storyline, as well as Jay.

Jay was brought in by previous writers to duplicate GL "Four Musketeers" storyline. When Marland took over the only two left from the foursome was Frannie & Jay, Of course Frannie was spun off into the Doug Cummings storyline, while Jay just hung around.

He lasted the whole three years, Marland didn't axe him.

When NBC cancelled AW back in 1999, ABC made an offer for the Felicia Gallant character, which PG refused. Then ABC came back with an offer to buy the entire show, also an offer PG declined. It was CBS' idea to bring the AW characters to ATWT to try and get some angry AW viewers to sample ATWT.

Brian MacColl was my crush for a while. Always looked like he was packing.

R442, Where was he going?

AMC did well casting Greenlee’s parents: Mark Pinter and Anna Stuart. Mark was good as sleazy Roger, and Anna of course was fabulous playing her patented rich bitch character.

If you go to the Brooklyn studios where they taped Another World, standing in there at a certain time of day if you listen really close you can hear Connie Ford shrieking, "Ain't that a kick in the cunt!"

But Anna playing a character named Mary was stupid. Mary is such a plain jane name.

r446 especially since they already had a Marian on the show. So unoriginal. They should have called Anna's character Morgana or something.

Where the hell is Scott DeFrietas's statement? Is he too busy dodging mirrors to comment?

Scotti’s too busy being the bread winner for the family. lololololol

How does Maura deal with being around all those hot guys on GH, and then have to go home to THAT? She deserves a medal, if not an Emmy, for just for that.

Has Chambo issued a statement?

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Scotty has a face made for radio. He should never have been cast on a soap. None of the dumb housewives were fantasizing about him as their white knight. Now if Cameron Mathison had taken over the role, that'd been a whole different story. Alas.

It must be recreational hour at Spicen's asylum.

Serial Monticello Nutcase’s gamily disowned him.

If ATWT were still on air, Doug Davidson would've made a great recast Andy/Drew. He's a great actor and would've made lazy actors like Hastings, Hays, Bryggman, etc. bring their A game.

Nellie Branco should interview Douggie Davidson sometime.

[quote] If ATWT were still on air, Doug Davidson would've made a great recast Andy/Drew

Is this meant to SORAS the character for some reason? Defreitas is only 52 and Dweeting Dougie and that thing on top of his head are going on 68.

George Reinhart IS Andy Dixon.

At least Reinhart issued a statement -- even though it was rather rambling and contained a few too many "me, myself, and I's".

Who the fuck is George Reinhart?

R459, George REINHOLT, dummy.

Why not Connie Ford as Andy Dixon? She was certainly more manly looking then Scott, and Nancy could use a good swift kick in the cunt every now and then.

Andy is now Andrea?

You whores keep your hands off my Andrew!

Scotty D. is VERY busy driving Maura to her plastic surgeon’s office. She wants to look like Joan Rivers. Same face, same hair.

They should have stolen that hot piece Matt Crane away from AW to play Andy!

He and Robin Christopher must have made beautiful children.

Anyone would've been hotter than Scotty D. They should've raided the ABC stable and cast a CK underwear model as Andy. Mark Menard who played Boyd on AMC comes to mind. Or they could've moved heaven and earth to get Josh Duhamel.

So what was everybody's favorite Kim scene where she laid the law down to someone?

[quote] They should've raided the ABC stable and cast a CK underwear model as Andy.

They did that in the mid-90s when they recast the character of Paul with a male model - it was a disaster

R470, OMG, I had blocked that out. ModelPaul was awful, almost as bad as a typical DAYS/B&B/Passions actor. That was probably the nadir of ATWT. Luckily they bounced back with Scott Holroyd , who was wonderful as the conflicted son of James and Barbara. Of course, then they went to the godawful Roger Howarth.

I had long quit watching by then…who was “model Paul”?

I only started watching again for parts of the Luke and Noah stuff, and pretty much fast forwarded through everything else unless it was something with one of the veterans like Lucinda, John, etc. Which wasn’t much.

When I was a kid, I thought soaps were dumb and hated when my mom and aunts watched them…but I have some very clear memories of catching scenes and stories that stick in my mind.

I remember my mom and aunt being sad because Lisa’s son died. Was he hit by a car? I just remember them watching an episode where Nancy was comforting Lisa about it, and thinking it really was pretty major that a soap had killed a kid. I had to have been in early elementary school.

Then when I was about 12, I discovered John Wesley Shipp in a Speedo, and I was suddenly interested in soaps!

R423 Kinda sorta?

Marland was hired, I think, a few months before he started actually taking over, so I think he was able to direct Susie Bedsow Horgan to a degree saying, let this happen, don't do this, etc.

ModelPaul was a very nice guy who was in over his head. They had him doing all sorts of angsty stuff because he had James in head (James being currently dead). They paired him with the Kasnoff sister, Sarah. Once they abandoned the James stuff, he was not a terrible light romantic lead, but he was already on his way out by then.

Scott Holroyd was another nice guy, but to my mind also way too lightweight for Paul. But what do I know? I liked Howarth.

NY Times obit.

NYT! I am impressed. They haven't been very consistent about running soap obits for years.

Bitch never won an emmy or even a nom, so why we talking about her?

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She was the Tina Sloan/Lillian Raines of ATWT. The type of actress/character who's eminently forgettable yet inexplicably lasted for decades. I don't understand it either. I guess they kept her around for consistency. It certainly wasn't for her acting skills.

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Oh, this bitch.

This is Dan Region, your pilot.

Ignore the mentally ill troll as always, and thank you for flying Oakdale Airlines!

We'll be landing in Luthers Corners in just a moment.

Barking kiddo at someone doesn't win you an Emmy. KH had her lazy bag of tricks. Always phoned it in. She was no Erika Slezak, or Susan Lucci for that matter.

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In 2004, the Daytime Emmys honored a record 10 actors with lifetime achievement awards. Kathryn was nowhere to be found. Never a nomination. Never even a lifetime achievement. Fact.

Did Kathy bravely refuse to wear a red AIDS ribbon?

you rancid cunt

r288, was that misogynistic remark directed toward Kathy?

rancid

I wouldn't exactly call KH's acting rancid. Boring, uninspired, lacking in energy, not nuanced, yes. Rancid is too strong a word, but you're entitled to your opinion.

still rancid

What a lovely NYT obit of Kathryn Hays!

I wish the Times put such effort into the obits for all soap stars.

I'd be willing to bet, the reporter writing the obit watched ATWT and put the extra effort into her obit.

"Listen, kiddo!"

Look at me! I look like 2000s-2010s Joan Rivers!!

R493 Indeed, Liz. You can tell by her mention of "toots" and "kiddo" that she knew.

KH could never have pulled off a possession storyline the way Dee Dee Halls did. It takes a certain caliber of actress to do that convincingly, and poor KH would've been out of her league. Calling the Devil "toots" wouldn't have cut it.

Still no.

Someone posted a clip where Kim and Susan were arguing. I found it strange that, during the argument, Kim referred to Susan as "kiddo." Kiddo doesn't seem like an appropriate word to use when you are angry with someone.

I wish the show were still on, if only because it would've been cool to see her name misspelled as "Katherine Hayes" on her tribute card.

And Katherine Hayes as Kim Stuart

Kim used “kiddo” when she was both angry at someone and also as an affectionate term for Andy. Both worked fine.

When are we going to discuss Kathy’s face, neck, and brow lifts circa 2003?

I also remember Kim being mad at someone....Julie, maybe? where she said "Look here, sister..."

LMAO!

Kim always knew Margo was a lesbian

Still no.

New thread

Has this one been Murieled?

Since Robert Morse died today I'll post a brief clip of his daughter Robin in her short run as John Dixon's niece Pam. Pam and Beau were pushed as the New Hot Couple for a bit but they fell off the canvas as quickly as they were shoved on....unusually so for a Marland show.

I remember Pam and Beau!

Their storyline got fucked up by the 88 writers strike.

Beau couldn't act worth a tinker's fart but he sho was pretty.

I would have watched an hour of Holden, Beau and whoever Robert Tyler was playing grabbing their junk through their swim trunks all day.

I am posting this on all the P&G related forums.

The Locher Room will have a Lisa Brown tribute next Friday 4/29.

And they *finally* have John Wesley Shipp participating in one of these.

Aww, I liked Pam. Was she “rivals” with Parker Posey’s Tess or am I misremembering?

That clip reminded me of how much I loved Melanie Smith as Emily and how much I hated her replacement.

R514 No, I think that was a few years later. Tess was on with Dawn, played by Sharon Case, now Sharon on Young and Raggedy.

Sharon Case’s character was Debbie. She was the daughter of Ned, Emma’s boyfriend, who murdered Linc because he treated Debbie like shit.

They tried to pair Dusty and Pam, then they connected her to Beau, the brother Laura Simmons, who was Chris’ babysitter and Bob’s stalker.

[quote] Kim used “kiddo” when she was both angry at someone and also as an affectionate term for Andy. Both worked fine.

Apparently, the title of the forthcoming biopic on Netflix is: "Kiddo: Fifty Shades of Hays."

I loved Kim. When she wasn't suffering from amnesia, she felt free to tell the wayward jackasses in Oakdale what she thought of them. Even Kim had a breaking point and look out if if you caused it. Sometime she'd start out with her eyes closed and just rip you a new one, then she open her eyes as if to say, "you and your behavior are beneath the both of us, you exhaust me and I am done for now. "

Well put, R518.

Here she takes Seth to task for dating Frannie then Sabrina then Betsy.

R519 Love that example

We've already seen that one at R53.

R521 Not everyone has read all 500+ posts.

Thank you R516.

I confused Sharon Case's stale tepid tea water character at ATWT Debbie with her stale tepid tea water character from GH, Dawn.

Thank you, r522. I will never comprehend what goes on in the minds of such controlling twats as r521.

Digest has a nice full page on Kathryn's death in the beginning section. Nothing new to add to the press we've already seen, but nicely done, and the editor also mentions Hays and her passing on her page.

R525, I read that. it's nice that she made the cover and all but really just one page in the news section? I think her passing was announced on Friday, April 8

that gave Digest the whole next week (well, through Weds when the pages ship) to do a proper tribute.

Run some photos of Doug Cummings and Sabrina and Susan/Bob affair pictures. Get Marie Masters on the phone and or Scott and Maura.

They mostly used Don's statement and some Instagram quotes.

One advantage print has over the web is to dig a little deeper and give something a few pages. I don't get why SOD doesn't do that more.

I haven’t read a soap magazine since AMC went off the air. What do they even print with only 4 soaps left? Do they do a feature on every single performer??

I'm a total hypocrite on things like this. On one hand I think it's tacky to make public statements about something personal like death, but at the same time, I'm always fascinated by who DOESN'T make a public statement. I always wonder if they're like me and don't comment on such things or if there was some kind of beef.

R527, all the news is at least a week old.

STILL dead!

R528, fans of a celebrity like to know and think that that celeb was pals with the people they worked with. The accolades for Jerry verDorn aren't stopping.

It helps with closure, but I see your point at the same time.