Prince Harry will not attend his grandfathers memorial service part two

fuck off we don't care

Link to the first thread

Thank you for starting a new thread SA.

R1, you first

He spends too much time online especially when he has two young children and a needy wife that require his attention.

How far back so they plan on going during the discovery, because people have been calling Harry a talentless entitled moron for countless years. How is he going to prove he isn't?

r3 You are welcome

r4 He moves a continet to escape the wicked british press but then clicks onto their website freely to see what they are saying. Pretty daft and very pathetic.

^How far back DO

Butthurt babies.

If they didn’t want us to see their kids, they shouldn’t have put the photos on a Christmas card and made it public. I mean, it was from their family to mine. They said so.

rr8 Good point that will go right over their heads.

Actually, if I understand correctly (and I’m using logic so I probably don’t): Harry was objecting to the use of a photo which contained the kids to accompany an article which was not about them. I think that’s where the “gratuitous” part comes in.

Is he actually suing because of that? Because that is just insane. Did they get a $5 million gift card for legal services for Christmas?

Apparently when still working royals, when on tour, harry criticized a DM journalist for the comments section which appeared BENEATH the story she wrote about him. There was nothing slanderous in the story, H was just angry that those commenting in the section below didn't like him and were making fun of him. The other journalists were aghast as he really upset her but they also got an insight into just how fucking dumb and unreasonable he is.

I guess he expects the comments against him to be weeded out or something, but blaming the journalist really showed him up. The other journalists couldn't believe he held a journalist responsible for reader comments. But now this new tack seems to follow on from there. He should shitcan betterup, get a shrink and get on the highest tolerated dosage of a smart drug like armodafinil or modafinil because he really is a fucking idiot. A truckload of TOUGHEN UP would do wonders for him too.

He should have been cancelled when he used the US First Amendment to describe the same US First Amendment as bonkers. As an Australian, I thought HE was bonkers when he came out with that shit. How rude and ungracious to say that as he makes a life in a country he has no intention of becoming an actual citizen of-because if he does he loses his titles. He really has an issue with free speech.

When did the number of downvotes vanish from YouTube? After his wife appeared on there reading The Bench and got a record number of downvotes

R11, exactly. Not to be a MARY!!!, but I’m seeing them do all sorts of things to silence their detractors. Even Donald Trump - the most thin-skinned, megalomaniacal, delusional person I can think of - didn’t try to get comment sections removed, downvotes removed, YouTube channels deleted, social media accounts banned.

And he’s a member of the shadowy Aspen Institute’s Orwellian “Commission on Information Disorder”. Have you guys SEEN their website? They’re like a slicker version of $cientology.

I get the same sick feeling in my gut that I do when I read about Trump. These people are actually a danger to our democracy.

I wouldn't be surprised if one day SurvivingAngel gets arrested for stalking Markle.

r13 Never been to Windsor, never been to the USA. Never posted about her on twitter, Facebook etc so get surprised.

You are talking nonsense.

What a stupid fucking comment, r13. Posting about a failed actress/royal/humanitarian on an anonymous gossip board does not equal stalking.

The Harkles (and their psychotic fans) are drowning in their own paranoid delusions.

r15 Thank you 🙂👍 Appreciate it.

Harry won't win this war unless there are powerful silent forces behind him who are using him to push their own agenda. I suppose that's possible, but it seems more likely he's just a stupid spoiled asshole. He's just going to sink himself further with every lawsuit.

He does realize the press could just choose to stop covering the Sussexes altogether? Where would Harry and Megs be then?

Maybe I read the comment differently, but I saw it as a commentary about how crazy the Sussexes are. Someone who constantly criticizes them on an anonymous board is not a stalker, but THEY think so.

But I don’t know what r13’s intent was, in writing that comment. Amy criticism of them is racist and needs to be silenced, it seems.

R13 is braindead idiot. Then all of Dl will be arrested for stalking various celebrities, including R13 herself.

r19 Precisely. It is also another way of them trying to find a victim angle for the ex royal Harkles/Dumbarton because trying to defend them without the stage prop of victimhood is increasingly difficult.

It’s only Wednesday, but I am calling R13 as the winner of the “Jackhole Comment of the Week” now.

It seems that Harry and Meghan really do want to punish any publication or individual who says anything negative about them. So much for being the progressive members of the BRF.

Harry’s a little bitch WHO DOESN'T FLUSH.

Come and arrest me, FBI.

Harry's now a prey item of unscrupulous lawyers playing up to his paranoia and sense of victimhood. He's suing a newspaper because people said mean things in the comments? Seriously, you wonder how much the royal family had to cover up for him in the past. And Meghan must be just as unhinged as he is. I'm sure Harry'll end up in some screwy California cult soon enough. He's ripe for Scientology. They prey on rich, mentally ill people.

r22 He os not progressive or Liberal. His mentality is that of an arrogant entitled medieval monarch who must have his own way. Autocratic and illiberal are accurate descriptions of his mindset.

Why anyone on the political left is defending him or buying the image he is selling is beyond me.

Harry's comment about the 1st Amendment and Freedom of Speech being crazy, says it all. He wants to get the media sucking up to him and the wife, treating them with the delicacy of Dresden china. He should hire Pat Kingsley if she's still alive. She's the one who kept Tom Cruise in multiple closets for decades and made him a superstar. The minute he fired her to hire his sister, the House of Cards fell to pieces.

R13 is the Klan Granny Troll - a mental case. She recognizes a fellow mental case in Harry.

Now after this week, he’ll sue for being distressed after reading people calling him a fragile bitch over this.

I’m telling you this is like the movie “Bugs” where a crazy guy convinces a woman there’s a bug invasion.

Prince Harry’s ex girlfriend said he used to think everyone was paparazzi and they were there when they really weren’t. And they spend all day reading about themselves.

It’s consuming them and making them go insane.

Dear OP: On behalf of spoiled Prince Dim, we're not watching you closely. Signed, Interpol, CIA, FBI, Mossad, M15, 16 and 17, and an international coalition of mercenaries.

My mom said she saw a tabloid at the grocery store today that said on the cover that Meghan and Harry had split up. Wonder which one that is and whether they have a scoop!

Ruling is expected in Harry's security case tomorrow.

I remember Philip made it abundantly clear that he didn't want a to-do around his funeral. His wishes were somewhat ignored in that regard. Though it was relatively low key at least. Mostly thanks to COVID. I can't imagine he would have wanted ANY fuss a year fucking later.

This is so fucking stupid, especially with what is going on in the world. Combine it with the fact that HM's mobility issues are now serious, and must be taken into account. Just call it off.

No, absolutely do not call off this opportunity for the memorial service they couldn't have last year, in this Jubilee year.

Dex - incel/Qanon

Surviving Angel - pedophile and homophobe

Meanwhile, William and Catherine’s Commonwealth tour has been a triumph.

R33 But aren’t you a female incel, too?

The media was claiming there were all these protests but there were hundreds of people who showed up for them in Jamaica. So Big Fail, gutterpress.

R34 I don’t know much about royal families and how are William an Kate IRL, but at least they have some dignity, unlike spoiled rich royal brat Harry who plays the role of the world biggest victim. He is a major POS.

I wish to associate myself with the statement by R3.

Pay R1 no mind, SA. After all, Harry has two lawsuits pending in the High Court, Philip's memorial service is coming up with the Crowned Heads of Europe in attendance (hats hats we get to see a forest of royal hats again!), and HM's 96th is a month away with Platinum Jubilee shit about to hit the fan.

And as this is supposed to be a celebration of the Duke's life, not his funeral, we may hope to see a crowd blooming like the daffs in Hyde Park.

Kate and William front and centre. No preening Meghan in a cape (she did everything but swirl it like a magician). The BRF out in force surrounded by the people who don't need to hustle for air time.

It will be scrumptious.

The UK Courts will eventually lose patience with him and he'll be placed on the Vexatious litigant list, which the UK Government publishes online.

Agree R38, it should be beautiful. And no Prince Harry and his first wife anywhere to be seen, despite floating his wish to make a recorded tribute to Philip, thanking him for his 'service.

His funeral was pretty low-key. And as someone who feels the same way as Prince Philip, I also know that people are going to do whatever they like after I’m dead. If my sister wants to have an elaborate and maudlin memorial as she did against my mother’s own wishes, she’s going to. (And she’d better arrange one for herself and apt up front if she wants that kind of panto when she dies. Because I’m not doing that if she goes first.)

Life (and funerals and memorials) are for the living.

The ruling on the security issue will be interesting either way.

If he loses, absent an appeal that succeeds, we'll have seen the last of the Sussexes in the UK for the foreseeable future.

Even if he appeals a loss, the appeal process will take so long that the Platinum Jubilee will be over before the case concludes. Harry will have obtained the excuse he needs for never engaging with his family publicly again, let alone the taxpaying public he is trying to gouge.

I wonder if it ever occurred to him that if the Court agrees with him that the government decision was wrong, the hostility of those now struggling taxpayers would put his standing in the UK on a par with Putin's? Of course, the government can also appeal.

I am also wondering if Harry were also looking for an excuse to nail his flag to the mast and file for American citizenship. The title's gleam is fading, they can't do much more with it than they already have.

If the court decision goes against him, he can only keep his facade up by only appearing, at best, at his Gran's funeral alone, when security would be provided, anyway.

That decision going against him will also tarnish the value of his title, as well. He may as well make it clear he's out for good and make the most of his identity as someone rejecting hierarchical privilege.

After, of course, wringing everything he could out of it.

Yet again Harry's true colours come out in court. The Judge has slammed Harry and his legal team for apparently leaking embargoed information! He found this ironic given Harry tired to keep this cause a secret.

He's a stupid spoiled lazy asshole who went through a horrific traumatic ordeal when he was just a boy and it was played out in front of the entire world with no time for personal or private grief.

He will never get over it. It emotionally destroyed him and he is fucked. He's just lucky he has so much money behind him.

The judgement was sent on, according to the Standard, to Army Major General Robinson, who is a partner at Schillings, the law firm handling the case, but he is not a lawyer himself. Robinson's "speciality", apparently, is putting out "reputational fires" and "protecting client privacy". I don't think this can be interpreted as a hint in terms of what the judgement is. Harry's and ANL's lawyers in the previous case were scolded for leaking court proceedings before they were published, with no consequences except a warning. The m.o. here is better to apologise than to ask permission.

Well, we shall see tomorrow.

Having looked at the Standard article, it states at the end that today's ruling is not on the merits of Harry's case. This is confusing. If the judgement is not on the merits of Harry's case, what does the ruling address?

R46 No the Judge was just ruling on Harry's request from some of the actual ruling and evidence to be redacted from public consumption. The final verdict will be made in the near future.

If he won't set foot in the UK except for major events like funerals, it's ridiculous for him to keep the Sussex title.

The people of Sussex deserve better.

NO, never! Ihe relinquishes his title, what will Sparkles do with her expensive monogrammed bath towels, pillow cases, china and garment bags?

I expect she will release the hounds and start to slowly unwind the marriage if the ruling does not go in Harry's favor. I mean, it is likely her that is the impetus for these legal proceedings. She won't tolerate any criticism despite demanding to live in the public eye. Correction: despite ramming her own life, and her husband's life, down the public's proverbial throats.

R47 - I think you are right. Also, I believe that both sides agreed that for the sake of privacy and security some portions of the proceedings should be redacted from public view.

One of the issues for Harry in the removal of his title is that it also means removing it from his son. Archie is the heir to that ducal title. To deprive Harry of it means to deprive Archie of it, and for that reason alone, I don't think Harry will ever surrender it. He wants his children to be as royal as their cousins.

Hang the Just Call Me Harry bit.

r49. I thought that was a joke until I rememebered the monogrammed garment bags,handbag and laptop case in NYC. Such class.

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Why can't this woman just shut-up? She has nothing of merit to offer anyone.

R53 The topic is interesting but the question remains: will she allow the other women to speak or just speak over them the entire time?

Meghan: Well that's interesting. Here's how it relates to ME! -15 minute ramble-

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[quote] The people of Sussex deserve better.

The people of York complained already about Andrew. To no avail. He gets to keep his title.

R57 - but I think York is taking away his key to the city soon.

R56 Scooby Doo HATES William because William basically got him "fired" from the royal beat in the UK after Scooby made false claims to the BBC about William leaking questions about Harry's mental health to the press. No UK media outlet hires him anymore. It's only US publications who still use Scooby.

R53 As for Meghan's new podcast, she's being accused of plagiarism again.....

Royal Reporters. Like herpes. The gift that keeps on giving. Linked is an actual tweet. Not altered. Hahahaha

I seem to think that 'Crackers' has a different meaning in America (slang for white person) than the British usage of the word (complimentary).

However, I may be wrong.

r61 Crackers I'm the uk as slang means mad or over the top eccentric.

r62 In the UK sorry!

On Reddit, they're saying Harry and Meghan have bought an apartment in NYC (apparently it's in the ACRIS database).

Well his granniy won't make either unless brought in on a stretcher so Harry is in good company there.

Did he have to dip into principal, again?

Why can’t we discuss this? It appears there is an interest. Those who are not interested can skim on by.

R13 You are ridiculous. Posting criticism on the internet based on their own behavior is not stalking.

R64 This wouldn't surprise me. It's been rumored for months H&M were eyeing a move to NYC.

R59 & R56 What I love about Omid trying to turn this into a racist ado against W&C it completely overlooks the fact that he has spent a lot of money trying to appear white. Also, should be mentioned his gay ass would likely be murdered if he tried to walk around Jamaica...of course he'll try and pass the rampant homophobia in Jamaica as some colonial hang up even though the rest of the former "old empire" are now leaders in LGBTQ+ rights.

Omid Scoobie Doo-Doo and the rest of the Meghan-stans have been trying to push William and Kate's trip to the Caribbean as a disaster when in fact, it's been an unexpected success. Yes, these countries might dispense with the Queen as head of state but they will remain commonwealth members and that was the purpose of the trip. The whole idea the royals are desperately trying to cling on to these countries is rubbish. Throughout the Queen's reign numerous countries in the commonwealth (over 20 I think) became republics.

"Crackers" means the same here in the US, too.

[quote]I remember Philip made it abundantly clear that he didn't want a to-do around his funeral.

I get that he didn't want it to be a huge public event like Diana's (or whatever point of reference he used), but he planned that thing down to the last detail himself. Spent years honing his instructions on everything.

“Crackers” IMO, means “white people”. Or the idiom is “Harry’s gone crackers”, meaning he’s gone crazy.

When I think of British people using the word, I think of it as a term for a zany or madcap person. Also as it being a modifier (“cracking good fun”).

R64, there’s nothing in ACRIS that shows they bought an apartment. What?

Apparently what the person heard was a doorman saying the Markles are moving in. Nothing about “they bought an apartment”. They could be renting or subletting. If they bought an apartment, it would have leaked. Hell, Meghan would be getting Architectural Digest ready to do a spread.

But I’d love to see those two take a crack at NYC. I don’t think they’re actually MOVING here as a full-time residence. It’s going to be Harry’s bachelor pad when she dumps his ass.

why on Earth would the future king’s SON not attend his grandfather’s service??

r75 Or when he dumps her?

R77, either way, haha. I hope it’s true. Usually doormen get the scoop.

R76, because he’s a spoiled brat pussy WHO DOESN’T FLUSH.

Anyway, Meghan is the one who has a boner for the UN.

As for Harry? He doesn’t care. There are bars on every block, and hookers make outcalls.

The podcast is already being termed a retread of issues that others have discussed before and probably with more authority.

The Sussexes haven't had a single innovative or unique idea in their entire venture. They're always piggy-backing onto work done by others. The price tag on this, if reliable, is hilarious.

As for the dressing down the judge gave Harry's lawyer, it was really extensive, not least because a barrister carrying QC after her name tried to persuade the Court she wasn't quite sure whether it was a breach of rule to forward to a non-lawyer a judgement embargoed from viewing by non-lawyers.

Justice Swift was withering and told her she wasn't doing herself any good and that she failed to apologise to the court properly.

Meghan will never divorce Harry. First and most importantly, her husband knows too much about her. If she tries to ditch him, he will turn on her like the venomous bit he is.

She is no one that any billionaire would look twice at, she has shown herself to be greedy, dishonest, and indiscreet.

Harry is as high as Meghan Markle will ever climb. She will never give him up because if she does, she gives the title up.

Keep your money in your pocket on this one.

Those discussing the word cracker in British usage. If something is a cracker it would be implying it is particularly good. Used as an adjective crackers is the same as bonkers, mad or crazy.

The slang meaning in the US is totally different from the British meaning. Means Caucasian person, not financially well-off.

a cracker is a synonym of a redneck from a trailer park in the South

"Cracker" in the US means a racist white person. IE, someone who would "crack the whip."

"Cracker," the old standby of Anglo insults was first noted in the mid 18th century, making it older than the United States itself. It was used to refer to poor whites, particularly those inhabiting the frontier regions of Maryland, Virginia and Georgia. It is suspected that it was a shortened version of "whip-cracker," since the manual labor they did involved driving livestock with a whip (not to mention the other brutal arenas where those skills were employed.) Over the course of time it came to represent a person of lower caste or criminal disposition, (in some instances, was used in reference to bandits and other lawless folk

Yes. And the journalist who posted on Twitter isn’t American.

Why do so many (not all) Americans expect everyone to understand their culture while being completely oblivious to the cultures of other countries?

It’s a rhetorical question. The answer is obvious.

The world, much as many of you would like to think it, extends far beyond and does not revolve around the USA.

Wait did that black Nigerian aristo call the Queen a cracker? Why are we talking about cracker?

Being unaware of cultural differences describes admirers of the Harkles. They have no historical context and believe a Queen or King is decided by popularity polls.

He really teed it up for them though with that tweet, JFC.

So according to R33, I'm a KKK Grand Wizard, a pedophile, an Incel, a Russian spy and a member of QAnon? I actually detest and am the exact opposite of all of those things. She can't stop fantasizing about me 24/7. Help! It must be opposite day everyday for her. Someone should tell her that schizophrenia and crack don't mix.

She can do this shit until the cows come home or until Chrissy Metz wins a Grammy but Rachel Meghan Markle is never going to be her BFF. If she ever became aware of KGT/Notasugarhere's existence she'd most likely start having nightmares, increase her security detail and buy and find a private island to move to in order to make sure she never finds or gets nowhere near her. Dare I say, I *almost* feel sorry for Rachel?

R85, you idiot, that is not the etymology for the American term "cracker." Not every slur against poor whites has something to do with slavery or racism. Your assumption shows that the racism exists in your head.

R92, that’s what most people in America will tell you. Black people especially. Ask one.

NPR isn’t going to admit that a word black people use for whites people is - gasp! - racist.

R92

If you say so, cracker

Black people in the South call white trash 'crackers'.

[QUOTE] Meanwhile, William and Catherine’s Commonwealth tour has been a triumph

It's been a disaster. Jamaica has announced that it's becoming a republic and plenty of other islands will follow suit after the Queen dies. They don't want to be ruled by the British Royal Klan.

R91 Oh, R33 is part of Meghan's Russian bot farm., and the m.o. is Mock & Block. Reason is pointless.

Not that she hasn't developed a passionate feeling toward her assignment. She's taken to fantasising about Meghan showing a broom up her arse so she can sweep the floor as she cleans the 16 loos in Montecito.

Check this out: all his cosmetic surgery (and possibly skin lightening) and Amid Scabies looks way fuglier than he did before when he was almost hot. But very sad for writing for Heat magazine and hanging out with Jodie Marsh.

Scobie's career was founded on hom tying his tiny nobody cock to Meghan's wagon.

You can tell much about people by their friends.

For my grandma to go from not nearly as dark as Amid Scabies was to not even as light as he is now, she had to spend DECADES avoiding the sun and even then applying a truckload of make-up to hide the fact she wasn't white.

Meghan's girlfriend must have some racist filters or he has artificially lightened his skin. Can peels achieve that or only bleach? Of all the people to accuse others of racism...well I know why my grandma did it: as an Anglo-Indian who'd been called the N word, she was brought up in India to believe white and British were best. What that did to our family and probably her self esteem could make most cry. What's his reason? Maybe he only identifies with his white heritage which is weird for someone who craps on about being biracial as much as meghan does

I have the feeling Meghan is delusional enough to think she CAN do better than Harry, but even as she trying (and failing) to get another husband set up, Harry will dump her. I think the infatuation has worn off and it's mainly stubbornness and still being angry at his family that is keeping him around. But like a child who "ran away" to the backyard, FOMO and homesickness is gonna win out. He's not made for "roughing it" with bills and no media protection. He basically had a military career handed to him on a platter but he couldn't even handle the fact that he needed to pass an exam to level up, so he quit. He'll quit the marriage, too.

In terms of next moves, the track record suggests they never end. In terms of objectives, the track record of decisions doesn't suggest anything seems implausible. In terms of success, the track record speaks for itself.

Speaking Of Scoobie Doo, he's facing possible legal trouble

Oh shit! Meghan could be facing legal trouble.

Stereotypes of women: Meghan, Duchess of Sussex will discuss the stereotype of the starlet past her sell-by date who goes on a golddigging expedition.

Her discussion will consist of naming the archetype and how it has affected her. She will go on and on about how unfair these stereotypes have been to her. Mark my words

That podcast sounds so boring. All of their projects are so boring and preachy.

Archetype and stereotype are not synonyms. Tacky (using her sprog's name) AND dumb advertising from Baroness Kilkeel here.

My university students always choose to do bullshit PC assignments rather than something that would require mastery of research. What I find incredible about Markle is that she doesn’t give a shit really about being seen to be talented. Instead, she insists on being seen to be an incredibly selfless and kind humanitarian by the world. It is such a bizarre requirement of hers, because she is actually a nasty, vile, narcissistic person. She wants people to tell her how wonderfully kind she is just as she is kicking people in the teeth.

When I heard her strident, overly confident voice on the Archetype trailer, it shocked me because I assumed that she must be a little more humble after receiving nonstop negative coverage for years, but not at all. Her self-regard has not been affected one iota.

R108 - That's a very fine point you made about the difference.

Nuances of that calibre are way out of Meghan's pay grade.

I think she just used the word “archetype” because it has the “arche” prefix. That’s their BRAND, if you didn’t know.

Wow.

R109, that is a great observation. It’s pathological, in my humble opinion.

[quote] I think she just used the word “archetype” because it has the “arche” prefix. That’s their BRAND, if you didn’t know.

That's what I assumed.

Oh, I got that, R111. I just wish she'd stop trying to shoehorn her kid's name into every fucking thing.

What about my name, fuckers? What brand do I get?

Don't worry, Lilibucks. Ma Markle will put you to good use before long.

The Harkles have the absolute worst jealousy/insecurity issues I have ever witnessed. They have rallied their psychotic fans and cheerleaders to attempt to derail the Cambridge tour. This is a middle aged couple acting like petulant children. I pity Archie and Lili, having to see mum fly into a rage over daily photos of the Cambridges.

For Lilibucks, I foresee some type of company that sells baby / kids' products like what Jessica Alba did.

Same here, R119. I can pictures ugly baby clothes, like those headbands they put on girls - or, rather, female-assigned babies.

She will never use Lili's name. This is a woman filled with jealousy towards other females.

The Steeples times. Remember this name. It's going to be the beginning of a very very interesting media story involving the use of non tabloid media to promote anti Sussex Propaganda with help by media personalities. One of several proven outlets. Promotes Yankee Wally. Uncovered info. Close friends with Royal reporter Richard Eden. Allegedly. Can't say more but it is going to be a huge story

Oh brother.

R122 = John Barron

Archibaldo got to be the Earl of Dimdumb, but what about LiliBux? What title would she get if she were still in the UK?

'Lady Lilibet' as she's the Daughter of a Duke. A title she will retain for life unless she marries a man with a more senior title.

R122. Wow! So the whole Oprah interview was faked to to make Meghan and Harry look bad? All those press releases and open letters were forged to make them look stupid, greedy, delusional, and nasty? This is huge!!! We look forward to the details as they come in!!

R126 yeah that's not happening

Meghan's a narcissist through and through. She's devoid of self-awareness.

R122 have you informed the authorities of this massive story, which you trot out at least weekly?

You’re nuts, but at least you’re consistently nuts.

R122’s posting history makes for some entertaining reading, folks!

By Royal Correspondent Jan Moir, March 25/2022

Let's face it , William and Kate's Jamaican tour is a disaster. If this is the shape of things to come, one can only fear for the future of the monarchy itself.

You can see the chronicle of its death foretold in every moment from the Trench Town bongo-bashing to emeralds and apologies at the governor's dinner in Kingston: the speeches are squirming, the dutiful set pieces are a cringe, the optics are bad.

White ultra-privileged royalty gamely watching the locals caper about and entertain them; later shaking the hands of Jamaicans corralled behind wire fencing? It's all so last century. It's all so over.  Prince William can be as heartrending and emotional as he wants when he talks about slavery, but he is going to be king one day — a system of belief that rests on the notion that his bloodline is superior to any other in the Commonwealth.

He is damned by his very existence, execrated by the status that gives him his voice and puts him at the centre of events in the first place.

He may have the best will in the world, but in the increasingly clamorous social and racial politics of today, he is as ridiculous and obsolete as a royal dodo. No doubt his words were sincere.

Yet they came from a prince who had the nerve to criticise the Baftas on their lack of diversity two years ago, although he still turned up in Jamaica this week with practically an all-white personal retinue and without a blush.

- The Daily Mail

It's a very common psychological trait, people with a major, obvious flaw often taken pains to demonstrate the opposite, eg, someone who is clearly shady will keep telling you how honest he is, someone who is selfish will try to make you believe he is altruistic, someone stingy will show his generosity, etc.

I had MM's number the minute I saw the £55,000 engagement dress. I knew what she wanted and where her insecurities were.

R122 was going to get the DL reported for saying mean things about the Markles.

R122 is the loon who was busy forwarding posters’ IP addresses to the FBI. Or Scotland Yard. Or something.

Meghan has made every citizen of colour question why 'the Queen' is permitted to 'reign' over them. Job done. The few nations hanging on will declare themselves independent of the Crown after the Queen dies and there will be no more Commonwealth or royal tours. The BRF will reign over England only, with frequent protest demos against them as Gen Z get older. Charles will be the last king if William keeps up his adultery.

There’s no particular reason why they have to reign over any overseas countries. The Queen willingly participated in the handover of rule of multiple dominions almost 60 years ago. I’m not sure that the royal family will miss having to travel halfway round the world if the renaming overseas dominons express their wish to become republics. There’s no evidence the kingship of Jamaica is central to William’s self-esteem.

R135 everything that you wrote after your first two sentences was either manifestation or just plain stupid and factually incorrect.

I should have stopped reading at “citizen of colour”.

[QUOTE] There’s no evidence the kingship of Jamaica is central to William’s self-esteem.

What about Australia and Canada? They love lording it about over there. If William puts even a tiny foot wrong, he's fucked.

Oh look it’s the KGT right on time at R135!

Wow. The Harkle psychos are really bitter over the Cambridge tour. Are they going to pull this shit every time Sparkle works herself up over flawless Catherine photos? When all she could muster was back fat?

[QUOTE] He may have the best will in the world, but in the increasingly clamorous social and racial politics of today, he is as ridiculous and obsolete as a royal dodo.

And this coming from the Daily Mail! God knows what the Guardian has to say.

How is 'Sparkle' an insult? Do better, Klan fuckers.

R238. There is also mo evidence that the kingship of Canada is central to his future happiness, but Canada has not actively questioned the monarchy and constitutionally it is more difficult to remove there. The Queen readily acknowledged the will of the Australian people should prevail. I would imagine a monarchy confined to the UK borders is an easier life for all of them. However, they reasonably conclude that so long as they remain heads of states in these countries they should be present there occasionally. Neither the Queen nor Charles nor William created the British empire or its successors.

This isn't going to increase Sussex likability. No one likes them. They failed. Get over it.

[QUOTE] I would imagine a monarchy confined to the UK borders is an easier life for all of them

Stop lying. William and Kate adored that tour of the South Pacific they did when they were first married. Kate would live full time in a hot climate if she could. Pippa will be retiring to Eden Roc when Kate is still slopping round opening shopping centres in her 70s.

It would have been a sight to behold if the Sussexes had been sent to the Caribbean. They would have had their royal asses handed to them on a plate, with all their woke posturing wearing pricy designer duds. Meghan would have ridden off on a Huffy bicycle,

R143 There is debate about removing the Queen in Canada but it's more muted because politicians are afraid to touch the constitution. Pierre Trudeau recounted in his autobiography during a private meeting with the Queen back in the 70s, she actually surprised Canada was going to retain the monarchy as it began to repatriate its constitution from the UK and wondered why Canadians didn't want their own head of state. It's a stupid to think the royals are sitting around worried about retaining the countries they are head of state of.

Back fat flapping in the wind, r146.

William is packing!!!

Soaked, lol.

R145. I don’t think travelling around the world to shake hands and listen to speeches in a hot climate is a thrill for them, if they are like most human beings. The queen is rarely seen to be anything but smiling when meeting the public. That doesn’t necessarily mean these events fill her with uncontrollable joy. It may be the same with Kate and William.

William has that BDE.

There are advantages to having HM The Queen as head of State for the foreign realms, they don't have to fund even a ceremonial president or have the possibility of real political disagreements between a president and the government.

An elected president (even one without real power) is a constitutional nightmare.

Perhaps a truce could be negotiated with the Sussexes. If they agree to stop trying to reign over the United States, the Cambridge’s will agree to give up Jamaica when the time comes.

R246. Yeah. I would imagine spending any time in Jamaica would be her idea of hell. Not exactly a lot of glamorous locales to slip off to after pissing off the locals.

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R138 If any country wants their own head of state, they would obtain one with the good wishes of the current RF. You act like the Queen is desperately holding on to any territories. LOL.

The Sussex people can’t get their stories straight. According to Harry none of them want the job and wish they didn’t have it. But supposedly William is desperate to lord it over the people on a small distant island for his own jollies. It’s all very confusing.

R81 I don’t buy that at all.

It would not take much effort for Meghan to turn Harry into a villain. He might have dirt but she can totally portray herself as a victim if she needed to.

She’ll get rid of him once he loses value.

What the Jamaicans are after is pure and simple: $$$. Their governments have been corrupt since forever, the country's desperately poor and they need a scapegoat for the fact the country's run on graft and corruption and the crime rate's through the roof. Reparations will certainly go over big here, won't they. Meghan needs to start lobbying the US government to pay reparations to half of her.

The Jamaica trip was a mistake because it's opened a can of worms. But they didn't arrive unannoucned or kicking the door in... tours happen at the invitation of the government - meaning these things are negotiated. I don't know what the Jamaicans agreed unless it was specifically to make the point about independence, which it looks like it is.

In Canada the last major tour was Charles and Camilla, in 2017 and the Cambridges the year prior. Since '17 there have been minor visits by the Princess Royal (speaking at a convention), the Duke of Yuck (regimental), the Countess of Wessex (only to Toronto) and the Duke of Sulking (Invictus.) Those aren't high profile, government engaged tours. I have always thought Trudeau loves the photo op but is indifferent at best to the crown as head of state here. He's been PM since 2015 but it's close to five years since there's been a substantial royal tour. I think he's quietly positioning. They couldn't even get organized to do a commemorative medal for the 70th, which is the usual.

Is the monarchy holding Jamaica hostage or something?

R156 Jan is a republican so this doesn't surprise me.

Who cares, Will and Kate showed up, did their best and brought the glamour. They probably figure fuck it, we came and did what we had to do, if they don’t like it, goodbye and good luck.

[quote]What about Australia and Canada? They love lording it about over there. If William puts even a tiny foot wrong, he's fucked.

The Queen doesn't 'lord it over' anyone. Look, The Queen is essentially a Civil Servant. She goes where her boss tells her to go.

Tell Me - If you were beyond fabulously wealthy, which she is in her own right, would you plan a vacation that included: a Royal Walkabout knowing that there may be someone in the crowd trying to kill you, a million rubber-chicken dinners, getting dressed to appear regal every night, wear a piece of metal with a bunch of pasted-on rocks on your head, stand up at every goddamn dinner and delivering some completely sanitized speech written by your boss, making milquetoast small talk with complete strangers all day long, plant freakin' trees, and worst of all make nice with every freakin' despot on the planet, including one Mr. Donald Trump.

So travelling throughout the Commonwealth is hardly an excuse to 'lord it over' other counties. Its not like she owns them or anything.

Geezus, sometimes my draw just drops.

If the Jamaican told me that they didn’t want to be part of the Commonwealth, I’d say “Fair enough. I wish you the very very best, my friends.”

I don’t think the Cambridges really care, except that it was sort of rude. They’re used to that, anyway.

The UK earns nothing from the commonwealth realms, even the commonwealth itself costs the UK a fortune.

That's before we get to British overseas territories. The UK has no ambitions that stretch beyond its own borders.

Empires, been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt. They are an expensive hobby.

What does the Commonwealth cost Britain?

At any rate, Harry is a petulant man-child.

And he doesn’t flush.

What does the petulant man-child in exile cost Britain?

R110. Currently he’s not costing much, but you can thank the queen and prince Charles for that. They shut the money off, not Harry. That’s why Harry is having regular meltdowns.

Harry is basically every teenage boy whose Daddy won't give him the keys to the Porsche.

R165 there is no point in trying to educate, in R138, someone who thinks that Australia and Canada are somewhere “over there”. It would undoubtedly be challenged to find either on a map. Or the USA, for that matter.

The thing is, Markle wouldn't give the time of day to the no hopers who troll the internet for her.

More and more I'm convinced all the 'let's get Markle trending and attack the Cambridges' is the handiwork of Sunshine Sachs and their troll farm. Bouzy's so obviously a paid hack. This could all blow up in their faces.

Beware the Tom Bowers book.

R175 Ask the KG troll - I suspect that he and Christopher are one and the same.

So poor widdle Harry got his feelings hurt at r4? He is exhausting.

R168 That's the $99 question?

You can never get a straight answer. We know that we pay for a government department and the HM The Queen is head of it, but they basically steal part of the budget of every other part of government and assign it to the commonwealth.

All you get is bluster about how much trade we do with commonwealth countries (about the same as any other nation) and how beneficial it is for us. It's the sacred cow of UK politics.

What you’re saying, R179, is that Rishi Sunak oversees a special Commonwealth slush fund that funnels UK taxpayers’ funds to Commonwealth countries? Surely such a large sum must be accounted for? Certainly by the “government department”, right?

I live in a Commonwealth country. I’d love to know how much we are getting! Certainly we always foot the bill for all Royal tours.

I’m not complaining, just curious about what you know.

R122 Dear, you should really tell Putin to pump that money he gives you for multiple subscriptions here into shoring up his pathetic military.

The Harkles don't need help with bad press.

He's trying to wring money out of the UK taxpayer for privileges he forfeited when he jumped ship and went off to LaLa Land. Whilst said taxpayers are being bled dry.

Sweetie, with own goals like that, who needs Weeples or Peebles or whatever it is?

I suppose the perjury committed in her court papers was just bad propaganda, too, eh? And putting the boot in tu o a 95 year old woman keeping watch over her husband's deathbed,

Oh, those rotten propagandists!!!

Spoilt children the both of them. Anyone else would be ashamed to be seen in public after the BS they haved pulled.i imagine when the stolen named one gets old enough to attend school, if she is like her mother all the other kids will call her lilibitch.

R180 No, I was saying that some of the budget of almost every government dept ends up allocated to the commonwealth office/development fund/administration in some way, the whole thing is shrouded in mystery.

Aside from health/education programs overseas I'd imagine most of it is wasted here in the UK. You'd be astounded at how much money a government dept can throw down a grid before anyone notices.

r175 Interestingly Omid Scobie is refusing to be transparent with the UK authorities about his business financial transactions resulting in a report in the Daily Mail that such lack of cooperation will mean the company has to close.There is speculation as to why he is being uncooperative and risking so much and some of the speculation points to his financial business transactions showing he gets paid by the Harkles to shill and tweet stuff about them and against Kate and william.

Ah, r184 I bet he is spewing the UK doesn't have an equivalent to the place the harkles register all of their "companies ". His next business may have to be registered in the Caymans or Switzerland or receive funds via those domains

Does anyone else think that harry is extraordinarily unattractive?

Don't know if this is legit, but people on Twitter are saying the Prime Minister of Jamaica's niece works for Meghan and Harry?

Harry looks like a balding, ginger ferret. Those close-set beady eyes, the clown nose, the jagged teeth.

I notice Michael K at D Listed no longer refers to him as Prince Hot Ginge.

R187, they have the same last name. Are they related?

Harry is doomed.

R181 is the septic Pet Troll, a notorious racist.

Horse Teeth the Bald looked hefty and sweaty and Kate has veiny Madonna arms.

Megalunatic at R193 Harry's Friar Tuck look will segue into Harry the Bald within a year so you'll need to find new insults for William. And "horse teeth" when Harry is snaggle-toothed? Tsk, tsk.

Kate has a model's figure. Sadly, Meggie has back fat. She'll be a round apple on her toothpick legs before she's 50.

Meghan must be so envious of all the beautiful fashions Kate has gotten to wear. Think we’ll see Meg at the Oscars?

R195, I wouldn’t rule it out. Seriously. She’ll pull every fucking string she has, to appear at the Oscars, or at least a party or two.

I hope it's on a IMAX screen.

quote[Does anyone else think that harry is extraordinarily unattractive]

Yes, and only surpassed by his brother and father. The entire lot of them are fugly.

If they were going to be on the Oscars, wouldn't we have heard about it already?

r199 One would have though so. Weren't they touted and hawked for previous years but nothing came of it?

As seat fillers, perhaps.

[QUOTE] Meghan must be so envious of all the beautiful fashions Kate has gotten to wear.

Kate is a Karen with two sartorial modes: mother of the bride and farmhand. I doubt Meghan is jealous of that.

You Klan fuckwits have been saying that they're appearing at every big award show going since they moved to the US in 2019, but they never show up.

R194 Balding? Not if his hair plugs have anything to say about it!

Poor William would love to get hair plugs but he's not allowed to.

So many people sourced to get those two clowns to get off their lazy asses and produce a few minutes of content. Pathetic failures.

I'm afraid that Covid stole their thunder.

They might have had a decent grift otherwise.

They are aging out, the younger generation will not want to listen to those "old people".

If you think you're progressive and you actively prefer Meghan to Kate, you're either not as progressive as you think you are or you're not really paying attention. Meghan isn't just the Karen out of the two of them, she's a Mega Karen all on her own.

Tossed salad

You've got it backwards. MM is the Karen who whined that no one asked if she was ok, in a country where most of the population is living in poverty. Kate is the non-Karen who has just been photographed looking exhausted at the end of a gruelling tropical tour, but has been gracious throughout.

I hope Kate and William have another kid just to push Harry even further down the line.

[QUOTE] Meghan isn't just the Karen out of the two of them, she's a Mega Karen all on her own.

Karens are white, staid and traditional - just like Kate.

The duchess of sizzler's head would blow clean off her head if that happened.

It's being reported by several journalists on tour with William and Catherine, that when it became clear the "fence fiasco" was going to be front page news, he ask them to use the pictures of him and Catherine shaking hands through the fence rather than just a solo one of Catherine because he didn't want her taking all the heat.

I'm sure Meghan would have made sure the pics were just of Harry if the position was reversed.

I bet Kate has her regrets. He is no longer the dashing guy he was in college and her life is under a microscope.

Not only that, r215, but M would sue anyone showing her in a bad light. She would find a way to make herself the victim.

Come on R213 - that's not a Karen. A Karen is, well, fuck it here's the Atlantic:

[quote]One phrase above all has come to encapsulate the essence of a Karen: She is the kind of woman who asks to speak to the manager. In doing so, Karen is causing trouble for others. It is taken as read that her complaint is bogus, or at least disproportionate to the vigor with which she pursues it. The target of Karen’s entitled anger is typically presumed to be a racial minority or a working-class person, and so she is executing a covert maneuver: using her white femininity to present herself as a victim, when she is really the aggressor.

This fully describes Meghan, again for anyone who is actually observing this play out and not just using it to virtue signal about what a not-racist they are. No, Meghan isn't white but she is extremely privileged in class/wealth and beauty terms (and her having a tiny amount of melanin doesn't cancel her other privileges out) and this description fits her like a glove. Unless you think skin color dictates behavior and you - you don't think THAT, do you? *hand hovers over pearls*

Megdusa's many personalities. Definitely a Karen in there.

r209 Why anyone who views themselves as progressive would support Harry and Meghan is beyond me.Harry is the only confirmed user of racist language in the royal family and is a poster boy for white priviledge .He and his wife are extremely entitled and she claims to be a femminist whilst slut shaming her ill sister. If they were the heroes some progressives fantasise they are then they would have gone the whole hog and given up their titles and his place in the line of succession.They only really mix in with wealthy people especially donors in the racket that is US foundations and they minimise their taxes via opaque financial mechanisms in Delaware while calling for more government spending. must not come out of their wealth of course.

They wanted half in half out with the system they are now decrying and had a tantrum when denied .They are not progressives of any kind.

[QUOTE] I'm sure Meghan would have made sure the pics were just of Harry if the position was reversed.

Meghan would have known that shaking hands with black people through a prison type fence was terrible optics and refused to do it.

Surviving Angel

- 76 years old

- a widow who lives alone and is entirely reliant on parasocial relationships with other online racists for 'company'

Meghan isn’t that smart, r221.

It’s also a no win situation. Don’t shake hands, and they would be criticized for that as well.

Meghan would have complained that nobody was asking HER if she's OK. Fuck those Jamaicans.

Where's the clip of Meghan berating a waiter when she chased Harry to a wedding in Jamaica? He no doubt forgot to ask her if she was OK.

R216, she had ten years of dating to figure that out. Which is why Harry was a fool to get engaged so quickly.

R219 that was a pretty good takedown of the Markle Female Archetype, withering really. The thread went on to show William's statement after the Carib tour, and some cool pics and vids. They are intelligent people and she looked fantastic. ~Looking forward to their US visit this fall.

I don't understand what the pictures at R219's link are meant to prove, though. She liked to hug men in photos?

Markle grabbed Harry by the ear and rushed him up the aisle of St. George's Chapel without a second thought to her history of failed relationships and marriages. You'd think a woman with so much 'heartbreak' and 'relationship experience' would play it safe and put in the time to get to know Harry, his family, and her future role within the Monarchy. But no, the prize of world-wide fame and royal titles was too tempting for her to exercise good judgement, and anyway, she was willing to roll the dice (she had no other alternatives to reach her goals) since she knew she would come out ahead even if the marriage collapsed, which again, given her pattern, wouldn't mean much to her anyway. She still gets the money and the titles and the two children to be held as collateral.

As for Harry, he was blindly motivated to dash up that aisle out of raging jealousy for his brother, and more specifically the spite for his brother's sage advice to take it slow and get to know her. The flames of Harry's seething spite and jealousy for William and Kate of course fanned by Meghan, in order to secure Harry as her husband.

In some ways I do feel sorry for Harry. he couldn't see the forest for trees in this case, and was utterly gullible. She's ruined his life for good, its irrelevant if they stay together or not, but for Harry's sake, I do hope he gets out of the marriage at some point to enjoy the at least some of the remaining scraps of his previous life that he enjoyed.

If Meghan, and Harry go to the Oscars it will be in the form of a "surprise presenter".

There have been so many non- movie actors presenting so far, they'd fit right in.

I saw there were a lot of ill fitting red ballgowns, with tragic busts. I wonder if that big red dress she wore was originally ear marked for her imaginary Oscar presentation. I'll bet all her weirdo fans will say she started a trend.

Back fat.

Well, it's tomorrow, and with the crowned heads of Europe in attendance, and likely all of the BRF, it should be a galactic clothes and hat fest.

I wonder if a thread should opened in advance of the event. Maybe one just for the hats.

As it's always possible that Euge and Bea will make the whole hat thread worthwhile at one end of the spectrum, and Kate and Queen Letizia of Spain at the other.

Was no back fat on display at the Oscars or were some nominees afraid Meghan might sue them for copyright infringement?

There was another version of the Red Backfat dress there, the one with the pointy side titties. I was embarrassed again by it, like when I see the back vent on a man's jacket, or woman's long coat, still basted together while wearing.

Oh, God, please not have them all in black because it's a memorial service!

We need another fashion faux pas day. Badly.

His fucking grandson may not want to bother to honor his grandfather but here are the Royals who WILL be attending the memorial service tomorrow. At least, some people have respect for Philip and his service.

But seriously, has anybody asked is Meghan OK? It must be very upsetting not to have been at the Oscars again and then for both of them to be denied the opportunity to heal the room.

She’s probably gloating that the other biracial actresses copied her tomato Herrera gown.

Tracee didn’t look much better in hers.

Backfat, R239?

Kate really needs to do something about her veiny Madonna arms and velociraptor neck.

If Meghan gets her back fat hoovered up with liposuction, will her back be all wrinkled?

Are they still $cientologists? I remember back in the day they were trying to bring that cult too poor black neighborhoods, using “literacy” campaigns and black preachers as their Trojan horse.

For that alone, I stopped liking him. (I never liked that caneface).

Alas, muted dress was the watchword.

Harry's absence from this service says more about him than any amount of text written about it.

He really is a vicious little shite.

The Queen made it to the memorial service. Many in the family were wearing "Edinburgh Green". I'm not even British but this rendition of "God Save The Queen" with the booming organ and choir gave me goosebumps.

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A few comments on the photos..

Kate needs to hire a new makeup artist asap. This current one is applying the makeup with a trowel.

Love Sophie's velvet coat.

Letizia looks great, love her green coat, but she needs to address all those grey hairs.

Bea looks quite nice, Zara also. Eugenie less so.

I really like that the queen chose Andrew to escort her and to demonstrate her support of him. But I have always felt that he was entrapped by a greedy, conniving whore.

Although I think it was very petty of Harry not to attend, I didn't even notice he wasn't there. I no longer really connect him to royal family ... not good for his brand really.

I just thought pretty cool of Letizia not to fret the greys! LOL.

R247, I don't know about entrapped but I am inclined to believe water certainly found its own level with those two.

Harry not going was a major mistake. The Crowned Heads of Europe show up and Philip's grandson doesn't? The only way Harry and Meghan can make money is through their connection to the royals. Now they're generic celebrities. Like reality TV people.

Harry must really be feeling his choice today, rattling around his hacienda adjacent McMansion in California, a world away from family and ceremony where he would have been and ought to have been. Must be tricky for her today, keeping him in line without triggering a tanty.

This almost certainly precludes them from surfacing at the Jubilee. If he can't make his grandfather's memorial how do they justify showing up for the comparably fun stuff? They can't. They would be booed. They don't have the nerve to do it.

r251 They seem to have been snubbed by Hollywood too. Their dream is in tatters.

I do wonder how Harry feels seeing all his family and traditions. Knowing people like him, I think it just makes him even more bitter seeing that life goes on without him. I doubt his narcissism would allow him to acknowledge any regret and longing.

If his mood (almost jovial) at the Diana statue unveiling is any indication, I think Harry's presence would have been a distraction from the proceedings. Throw in the discomfort of being cast under the family's judgemental eyes and who knows how Harry would have behaved. Not just the family -- everyone's eyes would be on him, especially with judgement of his lawsuit against the government expected soon.

One thing's for sure, his absence an important event with so many European royals attending only serves to dilute the Sussex's "royal brand.". I'm not sure they understand this or how their petulance does them great a disservice.

So are we to deduce that it was Philip that questioned the color of the baby? Is that why megs wouldn't let Harry go?

Let's face it, the only reason Harry goes anywhere is micced up with TV cameras to try to get some content for Netflix - like he did at the UN. This would have been something Netflix really, really wanted. Nobody gives a shit about Invictus which is a copy-cat of Wounded Warriors/paralympics which nobody gives a shit about.

I predict Netflix will be dropping them as soon as it's convenient.

Wouldn't it be amusing if Harry had a security incident at the Invictus Games? Or if Willem-Alexander says "We missed you at your grandfather's memorial.".

Did anyone see the pictures of Lady Louise at the service? She looked lovely!

There is a thread devoted to the memorial service.

I thought so, too. I was even going to use the word "lovely"! She's really growing into her looks.

Shame that a quick lipo session won't cure Kate's veiny Madonna arms and velociraptor neck.

Back fat!!

The tone deaf queen was arm in arm with Prince Pedo at the service today. Not long for this world, I fear.

R262 obese Meghan fangirl: how bad is your back fat?

The Harkle fangirls are such intellectual disappointments. If they could only bring forward cogent thoughts and words that could be intelligently debated; but no, its just the equivalent of drive-by shooting ... infantile and generic insults that aren't even worth reading, let alone contemplating.

Well, rickets affects learning, too.

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Dutch gun control laws are as stringent as the UK's. So Harry's bodyguards won't be able to tote AR-15s there either. Poor Harry!

It’s a little shocking that they didn’t even send flowers

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Beckham's PR machine that put out the unsubstantiated rumor of the Harkles attendance at the weeding only to gin up their own street cred. I mean, they're all cut from the same grifter cloth.

At least David Beckham earned his money. He’s no trust fund recipient.

NO WAY are they getting invited to Brooklyn’s wedding. The Beckhams shook the Sussexes loose long ago. LONG ago.

This is just the Sussexes manifesting again. Just like the stories of William becoming Lilibucks’s godfather.

These are people who want nothing to do with them, yet they’re supposedly performing BFF duties?

Pull the other one.

The Beckhams desperately want a knighthood and a damehood. No way they're sucking up to Meghan.

I would not be surprised if there is no communication at all btwn BP and Harkles. Prob the last official royal invite Harry will ever receive was to this memorial service. And it was prob the same invite as receives by non Royal attendees. That is, no special status or seating in the Abbey. Cheap seats only.

All the European monarchs except for the one with COVID, showed up. Evidently London is not too dangerous for them but it is for Harry who lives in crime-ridden LA.

Harry will be at Charles' coronation which is coming up soon by the look of HM. The optics would be appalling for Charles and Harry if he didn't show up for that.

Can you imagine if Harry had showed up, and then the fracas over Andrew ensued?!

What a double whammy the papers would have had!

You can understand a 96 year old woman being besotted with her favorite son and wanting him by her side at such a moment in her life. What you can't understand is such a venal display from a disgraced 60 year old thinking he can force himself on the public because he's Mama's favorite. He's seriously deluded and Charles is going to break him for good.

Spares certainly are an issue in the royal family: Margaret, Andrew, Harry.

R280 which is why I hope William and Catherine will prevent Charlotte and Louis from becoming spoilt, entitled brats. Because let's face it, those spares are in danger, gurrrrl. That is to say, in real danger of becoming assholes.

It's interesting how Andrew and Harry have NO issue antagonizing Charles and William.

Andrew is fucked with the public, but by pissing off the future kings, he ensures he won't get any secret/private favors. The public aren't going to forget this fiasco and all Andy is doing is killing any sympathy he might've gotten from Charles.

Both Andrew and Harry seem to be mainly motivated by jealousy and resentment that their older brothers get all the goodies.

I agree they're both jealous petty bitches, but it just seems so self-sabotaging. You know Charles and Will are eventually going to be in charge, but you keep flipping them the bird.

I think when the Heir produces Heirs of his or her own, the Spare should be euthanized.

Somebody take Andrew and Harry to the vet's.

We don't want that dirty job! Just use a firing squad, or drop them out of an airplane over the North Sea.

In about the first fifteen minutes of her latest video, Lady Colin Campbell gets her some dish on H & M from a Royal who attended the memorial. The claws are out.

Can someone summarize? I can't invest an hour listening to what she could say in five minutes. And that wheeze that passes for a laugh.

She said the Smirkles didn't bother with the memorial because THEY HATE PRINCE PHILIP. His attitude that 'you sleep with show people, you don't marry them' was offensive to them.

[quote]'you sleep with show people, you don't marry them'

And yet, no truer words have ever been spoken

If what Lady C claims her royal contact told her is true, it sure doesn't jibe with how the Queen has handled the Sussexes, i.e., with kid gloves and not one but three iterations of that lame "much loved members of my family".

Left them their ducal title, Charles floated Harry for one year with 3 million, eyc., all whilst knowing the wife was a vengeful bitch who'd stop at nothing to harm that very family?

Amidst rumours that Charles is desperate to bring Harry, at least, back, and hand him the DoE title?

With Eugenie gleefully allying herself with a woman bent on shifting the grandmother? Does Eugenie hate Gran, too?

Something about all this doesn't quite add up. If the Queen and Charles and Camilla and the Cambridges all know that these two psychos are bent on destruction. Why didn't they all push for removal of the title, and why hasn't the Queen made sure the Sussex kids never get those HRHs, and issue those damned LPs before she falls over reaching for a scone and breaks her neck?

And it sure doesn't sound like the Sussexes are on the brink of divorce.

Either Lady C is a hot air balloon, or her "royal" contact is. Or the people claiming g Charles is just waiting for Htan to die to bring Harry back.

Both sets of rumours can't be valid. They contradict each other.

R291 The only person who believes the alleged “rumours” of Charles bringing Harry back into the fold and handing him the Edinburgh title is you.

Which makes sense because you are the person who keeps floating the idea.

Give it a rest - we see you.

r289 --. I think it's a correct assessment of how Harry views Philip now with his wife's coaching. Meghan's statement that Philip's hospitalization would not muzzle her and refusal to move the interview spoke volumes. Harry rejecting the Royal Marines memorial concert in favor of a Hollywood event had a flavor of "I'll show you!" after Philip said, in typical Philip fashion "Don't screw it up." after he passed the patronage to his grandson. And, of course, there's Harry selling Philip's valuable Purdy rifle collection. That was a passive aggressive gesture to his grandfather.

So. If they know all this, why did the BRF throw the staff to the wolves instead of telling Meghan to cut the crap or they'd release all the people they'd paid off from their NDSs and let the truth RIP? Why all the soft pedalling? Why not publish the bullying investigation report? Why keep quiet as the two politicise the titles?

You know, technically, attempts to undermine or threaten an heir to the throne still is on the books as treason. Harry and Meghan have tried to undermine both Charles and William they may not have dared to mention Philip and the Queen by name, but they did go after Charles and William bity by name and through innuendo.

In fact, it's High Treason. Technically, the Sovereign could take everything they have on the basis of that Oprah interview and Finding Freedom, now that there is cold hard proof they collaborated on it.

And, yet . . . They've left the Sussexes everything. Including Frogmore Cottage.

Harry and Meghan aren't coming to these events now because they can't face the hostility of the British public or the contempt of everyone in the family except Eugenie and possibly Zara Tindall. Never mind the ranks of Crowned Heads who would all view Harry, especially, as a traitor who betrayed his family.

And she hates them so much she named her kid after the woman she hates for also thinking her unsuitable for royal life? Which looked very much like pandering to claw something back?

That's why he wasn't there. That, and because he knows if he showed up, he'd screw up his pending legal case in the High Court saying he doesn't feel safe in England without the police protection he's no longer entitled to.

That she hates the family isn't news. That he backs her up isn't news.

But that's not why he wasn't there on Tuesday: they aren't part of this any longer, and they know it.

He came to Philip's funeral. The reception he got there and at Diana's statue unveiling, probably told him everything he needed to know about the feasibility of any more joint family appearances.

I call bullshit on Lady C and her "contact".

And the Queen should have taken the Sussex title within a year, ended their lease on Frigmore Cottage, and told Harry privately that any more attempts to undermine his father and brother as future Heads of State would result in her sdbiding Parliament that she thought it wise to remove him and his kids ftom the line of succession, and mame sure said kids never get those HRHs.

She's mishandled these two as she did Andrew. This is her Achilles Heel: denial of upsetting realities.

^* telling Parliament

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Is there any Treason Towards The Crown Act that might be of use against Duke Dumb and Duchess Diva?

Say, if they keep on besmirching the honour of the Crown, they'll lose their titles and their rank within the line of succession via Parliament.

Monarchy Stuff Law experts to the rescue, please.

I don't consider myself an expert but have read enough to know except in extreme crisis they go softly, softly and always slowly.

They will calculate once his book comes out the only card left to play is her book - which everybody knows is a question of when, not if.

They will also calculate she is an unpopular figure, he is not far behind, and their popularity is likely to keep declining as they continue their descent in visibility and influence.

There were two real crises in the past hundred years: The abdication and Charles and Diana.

With the abdication, the government took an active role and given the times and tenor the Duke of Windsor played fair enough to slink away in order to get as much money as he could and then, largely because of the values of the time, held a reasonably dignified silence and so did his wife, even when insulted time and time again by the refusal to allow her to surface at almost anything and that she never got the HRH.

With Charles and Diana they did move swiftly after trying everything else. The times had changed. Diana gave that crazy Panorama interview, questioning Charles' desire to do it. It was a different time. She was capable of saying anything and showing she would. She was enormously popular and they understood that, so they moved. I mean, your mother-in-law ordering you to divorce is pretty epic. And almost immediately Diana's status and perception changed. Her power diminished in terms of its ability to affect the crown directly. But softly, softly she still kept Kensington Palace, she still kept some semblance of a title, she still had staff, she still was seen in the company of Prince Charles from time to time.

So twenty-five years later or whatever it is, the invoking of anything with the label treason attached seems very unlikely when there are less dramatic steps to be taken. The Counsellors of State structure will probably be cleaned up. The succession is so close to secure I can't see opening up that Pandora's box. Whatever happens, to either York or them, there will be money involved to keep them quiet and in line and we won't know much about it.

To invoke anything treasony that suggests the Californians have the capacity to damage the crown or anything like it would be to lend them a credibility they don't have and never will. In my view. They don't do Dynasty.

Tbf, taking things slow might turn out to be the best thing for the BRF after all. They're carrying out a war of attrition on Duke Dim and Duchess Delusion -- and jugding by the way these two entitled fuckwits keep self-destructing themselves, the BRF's strategy seems to be pretty successful.

r294 No way us Zara Tindall remotely friendly with the Harkles like Eugenie! She is firmly team William and Kate and godmother to Prince George. Her children are closer to Williams children than Williams kids are to the Sussexes children. Apart from Eugenie there are no allies in the royal family for Prince Harry not even Andrew. When they left in early 2020 they did retain some friendships and allies but the Oprah and Dax Shepherd interviews etc changed that.

R299 - I'll buy that Zara, who was once perhaps the cousin Harry was closest to (they are about the same age) is no longer on side, but it's clear that Charles and the Queen, as well as Eugenie, are refusing to dump the two ingrates. Somewhere, somehow, a door is still open a bit, at least for Harry.

There are very strong rumours ciruclating that Charles wants Harry back at any cost, that the Queen has refused to punish them for their betrayals and open hostitlity because Charles wants his son back, wants him to retain a royal ducal title, and wants his Sussex grandchildren to have their HRHs.

I note that absolutely no movement has made, as should have been done by now, to remove Harry as a Councillor of State; the Captaincy of the Royal Marines remains empty, which is really bad optics; and that the lease of Frogmore Cottage to the Sussexes remains in effect, so that Harry can continue to claim that he has a "home" in Britain.

Too much of this remains wrapped in contradictory fog. The family should have made the lines clearer from the get-go, or at least after the Oprah interview.

That they haven't suggests to me that contrary to what Lady C claims, either the BRF are the modern day Romanovs, unable to read the handwriting on the wall, or her contact is blowing smoke up her arse: it really isn't rocket science to figure out that Meghan came into the family already on the defensive and it went downhill from there and that she blames everyone and would set fire to the lot if she could.

But that isn't why Harry wasn't there. Philip is dead so the gesture means nothing to him, and it is likely the Queen didn't really give a flying fuck if Harry was there or not. And if Harry had come, all the attention would have been on him, and it was bad enough as it was due to Andrew's absurd gesture.

Harry wasn't there because no one wanted him there, his pending legal case, and the risk of booing from the crowds outside. End of.

I saw a clip on twitter of members of the Royal family standing on steps, exiting a church. Eugenie comes along and shoved Kate from the back really hard obviously trying to knock her over. Kate turns to look who shoved her and it was Eugenie with this bitchy look on her face. Eugenie's a real little witch.

R301 That was Kate's first Christmas with the BRF after the wedding. Kate stopped on the path for photographers, Eugenie was behind her and I do not remember her shoving Kate, that would have made headlines.

But Eugenie did make a sour moue and step deliberately around Kate.

Eugenie is the one of the York girls who has never forgiven Charles for his open contempt for both her parents, but especially her mother. Or for heading off Andrew's 11th hour attempt to shoehorn his daughters onto the senior royal gravy train after William married Kate. The Queen have it a lame try, but Charles stopped it cold.

Euge hates Charles and the Cambridges. That's at the root of her alliance with the Sussexes. The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of thing.

Harry was smart not to go to this. Andrew made a spectacle of himself and his damn fool of a mother let him take center stage.

She's pro-rape, pro-child trafficking. She's scum

^ Rubbish and you know it.

r300 I don't disregard all your criticism but some details seem wrong. The initiative to slim down the monarchy in future ORIGINATES with Charles as does the implications that the Sussex kids won't get titles. That has not been an idea the Queen has developed from the 1990s onwards but Charles. So it makes no sense to say he secretly wants to give the grandkids titles as the long held plan to not do that is his plan!! Also I don't think the rumours Charles wants Harry back in the family are strong or even true. More like media manifesting from the Harkles via their pr. Harry's leaked emails to a Sunday newspaper which could only have come from his camp or team caused an investigation to be opened into Charles. Sorry but I don't believe an obvious take down attempt by his father would mean Charles still wants Harry back as a work royal and would trust him. I don't think Camilla would let Charles be that weak even if he was so inclined. But if you are right then frankly the house of Windsor deserves to fall and end.

r305 Sorry obvious take down attempt ON his father not BY his father!

SA I've never bought that Charles doesn't intend for the Sussex kids NOT to have titles. He knows bloody well that in order to ensure that, either he or Mum have to issue LPs to that effect, because the minute she dies, Archie and Lili are blood prince/princess, with the HRH in front of the their first names.

Charles also knows bloody well that if his mother doesn't issue those LPs, he will have to, and if he does, it will nail the racism charge to the BRF escutcheon, because those kids are the ONLY mixed race kids in the family apart from the Lewis kids of Lady Rose Windsor, and they're part Maori, not part American black, and no one cares about them, anyway.

He'd be starting off his reign with another blowup, and he knows damned well that he's already on the back foot because of Camilla, Andrew, Harry and Meghan's hostility, and that no one expects him to attract nearly the respect his mother did.

The idea that the first thing he'd so is deprive those mixed race kids of their legitimate HRHs according to standing custom is lunatic.

And don't forget class loyalty - he may be gutted over how things went with the Sussexes, but those kids are still HIS grandchildren and Charles is nothing if not a thin-skinned Edwardian snob. No grandchildren of his being plain old Mr and Ms Mountbatten-Windsor.

There is not the slightest shred of evidence that Charles doesn't want those kids to have HRHs.

But in the Queen's refusal to issue those LPs and relieve her heir of yet another deficit with which to begin his already badly begun reign, you HAVE evidence: no one wants to do this. Doing it as Charles starts his reign would be suicidal in "multicultural" Britain. The media would feed on it like sharks off Bondi Beach.

The working monarchy will still be slimmed down, it will never include the Sussex kids with or without the HRHs, so it's a moot point.

My guess is that the BRF know full well just who the two sociopaths are, and just don't want to antagonise them further, but keep them at a plausible distance. Hence, let the two meaningless kids have their HRHs, let their parents continue to parade themselves as Dukes and Duchesses, let them keep the lease on Frogmore Cottage.

If the plan was to see that those kids didn't get HRHs, the Queen would have helpfully done it by now. She hasn't. And that's the clue that it isn't going to happen, because it would be a far, far worse thing to do if Charles does it.

SA we will have to agree to disagree here. And to clarify, I didn't mean to suggest that Charles wants Harry back as a working royal, but I do believe he wants his son back on a private basis, comfortable visiting family in England with the grandkids, although likely without Meghan.

I don't think those were just "manifestation" leaks by the Sussex camp - I think that in the soft-pedal, appeasement approach that was taken despite their traitorous and vicious treatment of the BRF, you can spot the slightly open door.

I think Charles is eaten up with guilt and regret where Harry is concerned. I think the Queen is a pacifist appeaser by nature. You put the two together and, presto! Bad behaviour not exactly openly rewarded, but not really sufficiently addressed, either.

The Queen is a pushover. This is well-known. It's all about Christian forgiveness up top, but what it really is, in my view, is a psychological defence against confronting ugly truths about loved ones.

Frankly, it's also my view that it was her defence against Philip's many flaws, including, I do believe, quite a few sexual peccadilloes. Maybe not as many as legend has it (Baryshnikov once said that if he'd fucked as many women as they said he did, he wouldn't be able to walk, let alone dance).

Character is destiny. The Queen wants a Happy Families charade, Charles is riddled with guilt.

I also suspect that with this much time gone and their ducal titles intact and no LPs issued taking their kids' HRHs away, the Sussexes are continuing to make trouble because they believe that if the BRF hasn't paid them out by now, it isn't going to.

Think Putin and NATO..

If the Queen hasn't done it yet - it ain't gonna happen.

The Sussex kids are essentially American. What's the point of them having HRH titles?

If someone posts LCC's videos, can they please summarise what she has said so the rest of us don't have to listen to it?

THANK YOU.

In the small pond of the world’s top tier society, a British HRH is the cherry on top. It’s like having an ace in the pocket for life. Doors will be opened in every country of the world. Future spouses, perhaps from the very richest families, will be drawn to them. They won the great DNA lottery and much as I dislike Megan, I have to give her credit. By procreating, she went further than Wallis Simpson.

The Very Strong Rumors about the Smirkles returning to working royals were a last ditch threat by their crap PR. It's never going to happen as long as Will draws breath. And nobody even cares if they pop in for memorials or anywhere else, to the point they are Not Welcome at Will's bday. Markle is an enormous pussy and would never ever apologize, and Haz is too dumb to finesse anything.

No comment on Andrew thumping his HRH war exploits on Sarah's insta yesterday.

r307 r308 Thanks for your detailed replies If what you say is correct and I am obviously sceptical to say the least but if you are correct then there will be many troubled times and years ahead for the windsors. I really do. They have survived intact throughout the 20th century and the first two decades of this century largely because of the personally of the Queen in terms of her not being partisan or inflammatory in terms of politics. In terms of being head of state she has got it just right and understands her role. She also is not obviously grasping for money and attention etc. Basically the overall balance of her personality which is the key ingredient in terms of her political head of state role in particular. A lot of my fellow uk citizens think of themselves as royalists but a good chunk of them are not royalists in the true sense but fans of Queen Elizabeth eg Elizabethans. Very very few people support the monarchy on the basis of the divine right to rule. They support it because on the whole it works and seems stable. If it is seen to not work under Charles, is mired controversy and nasty game of thrones dynasty battles of entitlement bollocks it will increasingly be seen as more bother than its worth and there you have the journey of the monarchy demise. Lots of historians are saying the same thing as me which is basically the monarchy is now here by comfortable default and it would not survive a bad or rubbish monarch. Some people on here call me Khan granny or a big royalist. I am not. I am a conditional royalists with a small r. If the monarchy becomes a divisive force rather than more unifying under king Charles then it may well be doomed. I don't wish for that to happen but there are limits to my support. Harry's treachery being rewarded in any sense by the family would p*** of a LOT of brits .

However I do think if Harry goes too far in his memoirs attacking the family I do believe the Queen might surprise us and take necessary steps regarding titles and the kids future titles

R309 - There are quite a few foreigners in line for the succession, perhaps without HRHs, but Prince Ernst of Hanover is an HRH and is in the line of succession and he's German. That's why Pss Caroline finally has an HRH - by virtue of now being a Princess of Hanover, not a measly HSH of Monaco.

SA - "However I do think if Harry goes too far in his memoirs attacking the family I do believe the Queen might surprise us and take necessary steps regarding titles and the kids future titles , , ,"

IF she's still alive to read it. I think that's why publication was put off to late in the year, hoping against hope she'd be gone by then and it would be left to his guilty Papa to assume responsibility for punishing Harry appropriately - or not.

The problem with that theory is that it will by then be three years since Megxit. If removing the ducal title would have had its maximum impact, it would have had to be done sooner rather than later. The LPs for the kids - that window is closing rapidly.

What she's tried to avoid is looking punitive. But the fact is, they've behaved atrociously, and in not being appropriately punitive, she's made the monarchy look weak.

She's losing strength by the day, if not the hour. All her life force is going to go to making it through the Platinum Jubilee. She doesn't have time to dither and consider and wait upon events. And her other eejit son, Andrew, appears to be incapable of avoiding adding to her burdens on a nearly daily basis.

All this works to the Sussex's advantage.

I would bet that William is pacing for the floors at night trying to contain his rage and frustration at what Meghan has gotten away with, with little to no opposition from his father and grandmother.

As I keep repeating, the best chance of the monarchy surviving one more generation is for Charles to pop off via a stroke or something before his mother does, and William to become the real force he has the temperament for.

It would be too much to hope for, and I don't mean that in a personal sense, but in terms of the monarchy: Charles comes with too much baggage and too many conflicts. He's the Edwardian past. And, besides, the Sussex kids' HRHs would be a moot point that no one has to deal with.

William will kick the Sussexes to the kerb for good and all when the Queen goes. No more Frogmore Cottage pretences, no invitations to anything, nada niente zero zilch. And that goes for Andrew and Eugenie, too.

What Harry has done qualifies as High Treason. He would never have gotten away with this if Philip were still alive, or Charles were dead and William Prince of Wales, with one foot out the door of Kensington Palace and the other inside Westminster Abbey.

R314 “Sussexes’”.

The titles are boomerangs if he goes too far. The question won't be why doesn't the family take them away, but why do those two keep them? They look worse and worse for holding on to them. He will no doubt have some excuse for what they cling to and it will be laughable and what media focuses on. This book will either wound everybody or backfire spectacularly.

Andrew and his wretched toad of a wife and wretched daughters have no reason to support the survival of the royal family: they're out. Just like Harry and Meghan don't. Their jealousy and vindictiveness trumps (sorry) everything else.

r317 Ex wife!

R318 she's still living with him and he went to Epstein to get $$$ to pay Fergie's debts.

r319 I know but she is not his wife !

We need these black sheep to keep the story fresh. It would be so boring if everyone behaved.

Don't forget, the Queen is a mother and a grandmother. She is the Supreme head of the Church of England. Her every move is watched and analysed. She is obligated to to model christian values, and does so instinctively. Like so many mothers in the word that stand up for their sons who are incarcerated for often heinous and murderous acts, she will bide her time in hope that a more palatable outcome will come from Harry. You don't throw blood family out, you see how long you can endure the choppy waters, until there are no other alternatives. Not many grandmothers slam the door on their grandson. As they say in the real estate world, you're not done negotiating until all parties around the table are literally crying.

^This wasn't about modelling Christian values. It was about a fatuous mother who has been a fool for this son since he was born. If she'd been a bit less Christian and a bit tougher on him, his life might not have been ruined.

Everything she did, suspending his HRH and removing him from an official public role representing the monarchy, was window dressing, her hand forced by public opinion.

Behind the scenes, her view is, I would bet anything, is that her baby was railroaded by a clever adventuress. He's guilty of nothing but bad judgement - and, to be fair, he has been convicted of nothing and still admits to nothing more than not having done as advised and cut off Epstein years ago.

It's obvious that she's determined not also to deprive him of a rightful role in what are essentially private family activities that take place in the public eye, like said memorial

He's the result of her fatuous indulgence: self-regarding, pompous, stupid, with low inhibition controls, and virtually no principles when it comes to grubbing for money. None of which seems to matter to her.

Guifre got her big payout and thought she'd ruined his life. Now, she's outraged to find that she didn't completely annihilate him out of existence: his rich untouchable Mum is going to allow him to rejoin his family, if at carefully chosen times, he'll go on living at stately Royal Lodge in Windsor Great Park, his faithful grifter ex clinging on for dear life, driving expensive cars, playing golf, visiting Mum at the Castle and going out riding.

And there isn't a thing Giufre can do about it.

His mother has never confronted or acknowledged what a sleazy twat her son is. Her capacity for denial where her offspring are concerned is breathtaking.

That's all this is about. All mothers and grandmothers are that blind. She's done the same we with Harry, only with more alertness to the danger he and his petulant, vicious, lying viper of a wife are to the Crown.

It's not Christian spirit; it's a psychological defence that has been a hallmark of her character for her entire life.

And it's ended by causing huge damage to the very institution to which her devotion has been do lauded.

The ironies here are legion.

^*all mothers and grandmothers are NOT that blind

Does Giufre have a lot of animus towards Andrew? I thought it was more about Epstein being dead and beyond reach and having that one photograph which basically proves Andrew is stupid beyond belief. None of the other victims had photographs of their VIP johns, only she had the leverage for a payout. It’s sickening that the contents of Epstein’s safe has been suppressed.

Max hastings pointed out that one problem with those not likely ever to succeed to the throne is that they all think they should living like the direct heir(s) and as heaped with the world's goods.

This obsession with being Just As Rich As has led more than one Spare into relationships with very rich dubious connections with red flags all over them.

Mind, it's not as if the Spares aren't living lives that by any measure, for the rest of us, would seem like a Lottery jackpot.

It's that the Spares seem to share a peculiar habit of always seeing the glass half empty rather than half full. Truthfully, the glasses of Harry and Meghan and Andrew and Edward and their counterparts in places like Denmark, Sweden, Lichtenstein, The Netherlands et al., are more truthfully two-thirds full and one-third empty.

Perspective seems to trump reality for people like Harry and Andrew.

If it ain't what Charles and William get, it's trash.

To the rest of us, this view is not only mental given their lives of comfort, guaranteed income, andcconsiderably aesthetically pleasing surroundings, but offensive.

That's why Harry and Meghan have been at such pains to paint themselves as victims: to hide their boundless greed for both lucre and status, despite being already draped in immense unearned privilege, and what their petulance says about their real "values".

You didn't hear the two younger siblings of Crown Princess Victoria spewng bile on Oprah when their father rearranged matters to assure the public it would not be supporting all those adjacent no longer HRHs . . . Ditto any moans from Prince Joachim of Denmark when his kids only get HHs instead of HRHs like his older brothets' kids did.

Or from Crown Prince Frederik when the Danish government reminded him that only his heir coukdvexpect taxpayer support, and the three younger kids would have to make their way in the world.

The British monarchy has left this kind of shift for far too long.

Ensuring that Harry's kids don't add to the pile of HRHs, especially as it is clear they are going to be raised in America as Americans, and taking his and Andrew's ducal titles would have been a start.

Instead, the Queen and Charles are ignoring the obvious, running true to form and showing the public that nothing these two destructive nasty men can do can result in a meaningful deprivation of status.

Both men remain royal dukes, richer than any of us will ever be, living lives beyond our dreams because of an accident of birth, with spectacularly unpleasant, equally self-regarding wives.

It's Privilege Rules Again, and a really bad look for the monarchy in a dangerously different Britain in the 21st century.

If he did as she claims, she would understandably have a lot of animus toward him.

R325, you made me think about that picture differently. If he did think he was doing something illegal, why would you allow that photograph? It's entirely possible he is so stupid he thought he was bulletproof. He manages to endlessly connect with the worst kind of people. He plainly can't analyse risk. I guess I answered my own question. They should buy him a thousand acre horse farm on the Outer Hebrides and send him into isolation for his own good. He'll probably be taking money from dodgy characters on his death bed.

R325 I suspect those are intertwined for Giufre. The more interesting question is, will she go after any of the other high-profile men who enjoyed the taboo pleasures Epstein's empire offered?

Or, was Giufre's blood lost slaked with putting Andrew's head on a pije as a warning to others?

I think she picked what she shrewdly assessed as the easiest target amongst those men because he had no real political power, wasn't even that rich but rich enough, and far more vulnerable because of his family name and position.

Let's face it: Clinton, Trump, Gates, Dershowitz: nennlike these would be far more dangerous, ruthless, and difficult to bring down than paper tiger Andrew.

And, probably, also equipped with far better legal counsel. Andrew's counsel, for their pricey reputation, seemed nearlyvss frckledsxss their client. That wouldn't be the case with someone like Gates, who can sell the BRF threecorvfour times overcoat least.

I believe Andrew was the symbolic sacrifice here. He gets no sympathy from me on that score: he was warned repeatedly about Epstein 20 years ago. It was his decision to keep the association if he could make money from it. It was a billionaire-boys' networking circle, not just a place for sleazy men to access pretty young flesh in what they thought was a safe space.

Charles' and William's contempt for Andrew is understandable, as is their frustration with the Queen for her blindness where Andrew is concerned.

But Charles is capable of making the same mistake with Harry. I wonder if he's made the connection and learnt anything from it.

Giuffre wanted a payout for sure, but she was also incensed that Andrew denied ever meeting her. I think if he admitted the connection but said that either she didn't tell him her age and he thought she was older, or she lied about it, he's have seemed more sympathetic, because in denying everything, it was clear he was lying.

Harry was impatient to get apt 1 in KP. They blew it when MM took photos of Charlotte and when reports came to PW of MM bullying the staff, and they got stuck with Frogmore Cottage, a dreary ex-staff place. Kate got to wear th royal jewels at state dinners whilst MM was sent to the Actors' Old Age Home. And so forth...

I maintain the root of all of it is hurt feelings. Married-in commoners can be warmly welcomed into the BRF; they are as closed as they might be, but the courtiers and Harry's aristo friends are another story. MM was a bridge too far for them, and it had everything to do with her behaviour, past (suitcase girl, wtf?), and family and little or nothing to do with her race.

The whole Giuffre story stinks to high heaven. At the Maxwell trial, another girl claimed it was Giuffre not Maxwell who pimped her to Epstein. Giuffre got a payout long ago from Epstein, more like severance pay than anything else. She claims she had sex with Andrew 3 times and sues him. Who else did she have sex with and why hasn't she sued them? Andrew is vile but Giuffre's a grifter.

I think the Spare Problem arises when they marry grifting, greedy women who are desperate attention whores like Fergie and Markle. Markle is basically Fergie the Sequel. I'm old enough to remember how Fergie was always trying to get more attention than Diana, just like Markle does today with Kate.

I don't think Fergie has the brains to be anything bad. She's just exceptionally thick, probably one of those hard core scarred by divorce types, and didn't know how to live the way she thought she was supposed to live. She's obviously a needy emotional mess, desperate for approval - you can tell that by how she keeps running her mouth about emotions and the wonders of Prince Andrew. The marriage probably failed for lack of companionship given his navy career but also in part because she signed up back in the day it was assumed and taken for granted any wife of a principal royal would behave like every other previous royal wife - which at the time dated back to the Queen Mother as Duchess of York, the Duchess of Kent and the Duchess of Gloucester. She wasn't intelligent enough to make a go of it. Markle got a lot of support, she appears to have been unwilling or unable to play by the rules or to play third fiddle.

A former colleague of mine in Switzerland worked for Fergie's ex Paddy McNally who ran a company which did publicity for Formula One. McNally was 20 years older than Fergie, ugly, but had a lot of money. She had started out as his nanny and got promoted to mistress. My colleague told me throughout Fergie's much publicized engagement with Andrew, Fergie was calling McNally every day. She said Fergie was incredibly needy, trying to be phone friends with her - McNally's assistant - and trying to find out from her what McNally was doing, did he have a new girlfriend, etc. She. thought the only reason Fergie clamped onto Andrew was to make McNally jealous. Which kind of confirms the rumors I heard about Andrew being gay.

[quote]Who else did she have sex with and why hasn't she sued them?

She doesn't have posed photos with the other men who were smart not to consent to pictures.

[quote] why would you allow that photograph?

[quote] She doesn't have posed photos with the other men who were smart not to consent to pictures.

The fact is that after the case was settled, Giuffre explained that she "couldn't find" the picture.

Very convenient. This leaves no way to examine the original photo to check if it has been changed, photo shopped, or modified.

I'm not a fan of PA, but I have always found Giuffre's story very questionable. And the fact that Gloria Allred dropped her as a client speaks volumes.

Produce the picture so that it can be forensically examined. Otherwise your story falls apart.

What other proof did she have of her tale than that picture? And she can't find it??? Really??

Bogus, baloney.

Confucius say: If you lie down with dogs, you shall get up with fleas.

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Did Harry leave the Army because he couldn't pass the test to become a helicopter pilot? William's a pilot so that must have stuck in Harry's craw.

He left because if he was to progress to a promotion he would need to pass the appropriate exams and he presumably figured that he didn’t have a chance.

R338 I can't remember the whole thing, but yeah he had to leave the army because he couldn't reach the educational level required. He's probably going to moan about leaving the army in his book, but truth is he could have done another tour of duty if he wanted to but he opted to start doing royal engagements.

'Opted' would be debatable, he's incredibly tight fisted and wanted to stay on the payroll.

It was the Major exam Harry couldn't pass. The Queen, instead, made him an honorary one.

William did fly a helicopter as part of his Air Ambulance Corps service. That's why he and Kate spent their first year of married life in Wales on the coast, a time they both recall wistfully.

Harry and Meghan are frauds.

He could have stayed in the army as long as he wanted, but wouldn't be promoted and he couldn't bear that.

I never believed that tall tale about Harry being a helicopter pilot.

There is no way the RAF would let someone who is as dumb as Harry is actually fly off in a multi-million dollar aircraft. Even worse, fly with other people on board, thereby putting them in danger.

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R344 Yea, that’s just PR. Maybe he sat in the co-pilot seat and went “Whee!” but there was always real pilot in charge.

I actually did some googling a year or so ago and discovered that the heli Harry is qualified to fly has 2 "pilots" - one who is doing the main part of the flying and a subordinate role. Harry qualified only in the subordinate role and only ever flew in it. There is proper terminology I've forgotten but I remember thinking at the time that the palace did a very good job of portraying him as an ace combat pilot in their PR. Had I not looked it up myself I never would have realized that was mostly PR. There were quotes in various BRF-friendly papers from anonymous instructors about his natural talent for flying etc. when in truth if he was that naturally talented he would have been in the other role. He was basically the Goose to some other guy's Maverick.

Why was the thread on Meghan trying to trademark Archetypes shut down? That should make for juicy gossip.

I think Harry is going to the Invictus Games by himself. T,he trip for the Queen was to be the whole family. He was worried about their protection. My guess is Meghan knew just how to phrase that to get herself an out.

R348 - I never saw one. No matter, there are plenty of threads on which to add the absurd Archetypes application to.

Remember when the Queen took SussexRoyal away from them, and Meghan angrily replied that "No owns the word 'royal'"?

If there were an Oscar for Hypocrisy, Harry and Meghan would have no competition.

He's trying to stick it to the UK taxpayer because he thinks Britain owes him 24/7 police protection despite not living here and not having worked here in more than two years, never mind trashing the institution in whose name the government operates, and said taxpayers being crushed under higher taxes and the biggest drop in standard of living since the 1970s. All from his vantage point of a $14 million home, an 8-figure trust fund, and an allegedly large advance from a major publisher for his "memoirs".

She's trying to patent a commonplace word that has been part of the English language since the Tudors. She screams about disinformation in the media, but perjured herself in her court papers to keep it under wraps that she and Harry actively colluded with the authors of "Finding Freedom" and they put it on the record that the collusion had to be kept from the public, and then publicly stated that they had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the book. She bawls that rank means nothing to her, and then lied about the fact that her kid didn't get an HRH because the BRF was worried he'd be too dark - when, in fact, both of them knew that their kids wouldn't get HRHs until the Queen dropped dead and Charles became King.

She's screams about feminism but only has a platform because of who she married. She screams about equality but is clinging for dear life to an archaic institution that gave her the royal title with which she's marketing herself to the world, and without which she knows bloody well no one would give her the time of day.

Really - you couldn't make it up.

Archetype archetype archetype archetype

R350 exactly - check out the thread on Tina Brown's new book - she really nails what's going on with Harry

Do you have a link to that thread R352? I even searched for one yesterday because I was hoping DL would be discussing, but didn't find anything.

Search "Tina Brown dishes on the Royals"

I saw the thread for the archetype suit, r348, but it wouldn't open. It had about 30 responses. I can't remember what site the link was for. It was kind of obscure.

Ouch:

"Nobody could read Andrew Lownie’s book about the dismal post-abdication life of Edward VIII without pondering its parallels to the delicate situation of Prince Harry – most obvious in that both men have proven vulner­able to American wives with a rocky hinterland and an agenda in which resentment of the Royal family plays a dangerous role. One can only hope that Harry doesn’t end up living an existence of bloated vacuity, such as befell his great-great-uncle. The writing, however, is on the wall."

The Duke of Windsor was much wealthier and had more friends and benefactor's than the Harkles.

I wonder if by going to the Netherlands with private security, Megaliar and Hasbeen are basically ensuring they will lose their security case in the UK. It's almost like this security lawsuit is just an excuse not to visit the family they are about to trash in his "truthful," albeit ghost written, autobiography.

the Duke and Duchess of Windsor were far more glamorous than Megsie and Haz could hope to be.

Meghan will be going to the Netherlands with Harry for the Invictus Games. They'll be taking their Netflix team with them to film every smile, scowl and fart.

This shows the reason they didn't go to the UK for Philip's memorial had nothing to do with security and everything to do with the fact they wanted to take a Netflix camera crew with them and the royals said no.

R361 - Yep, I think you're right.

R348 the thread got deleted. The Fat Markle fangirl called other people in this thread 'fags'. She's doing it in other threads, too.

Muriel needs to do something about this lunatic bitch. And by doing something I mean banning this lunatic bitch from the site.

What are we going to do about it? It's enough. I always F&F it and I emailed Muriel directly. I can take them, belly button lint that they are, but the fag thing is war.

Tell the site managers you will cancel your subscription if nothing will be done. They want to earn some money with the site? That's fine with me, but this also means responsibility. This is a site for gays, not for looney homophobic Fat Markle heifers.

Btw, these fugly bitches don't pay for using the site anyway -- they NEVER post when prime time is on.

At a minimum F&F every time it shows it's scabby head.

The Prime Minister of the UK (whom I hate btw) can walk the streets of Kyiv today with a very real possibility of being killed, while Harry can't go to London because a photographer might take his picture..........

You gotta hand it to Boris. He single-handedly swiped away any criticism about his horrible Tory leadership and governance over the past few months in one fell swoop.

He went into my a war-zone and came out probably hoping to be unassailable by his political enemies...

Yep, Boris has been forgiven for Partygate when prior to the Ukraine invasion it looked as if he was going to have to resign.

Let's face it, Russia invading Ukraine came in quite handy to BoJo. If it weren't for the war, he would've eventually been forced to step down.

This and the political collapse of Rishi Sunak have made Boris unassailable as Tory leader, but his polling in the general population is still appalling. This is good for him in the short term, but bad for the Tories.

The Tory Party want Bojo in place until after the local elections in May. If the results areas bad as expected they will throw him under a bus..

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Harry's a shameless shill. He'll wind up selling bipolar meds on TV.

r373 What would Harry know about having a healthy mind or using his brain? He is no advert for having a healthy mental attitude to life and adversity. He is full off resentment, entitlement, victimhood addiction , jealousy and malice. Therapy does not seem to have had any meaningful positive effect upon him.

Does he think all of the injured soldiers are dumb and don't know he is only using them as a stage prop?

I think she practices for hours - being coy - in front of a mirror. She's really got it down.

"This is the Duke of Sussex and I recommend extra-strength Qunol Co-Q10".

He'd be more effective teaching them to juggle.

R368 - I wouldn't go that far. There's still a strong feeling that he should resign, and all that's really happened is that so much time has gone by, and so much else is happening, most importantly Ukraine, that it seems more like a stay of execution than a pardon. And Starmer is less than a compelling figure.

It's three weeks till the nationals on 5 May. I haven't checked Britain Elects or any of those sites yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Tories lost, if not their majority (which is entirely possible), but at least a third of the seats they took from the north in 2019.

Never a dull moment.

As for Harry and his grandfather's memorial service: one of the prices he's paying for that is the Dutch Royals refusing to meet him or put him and the grifter up at one of their many royal residences during the Invictus games.

It's an outright snub. Willem and Maxima were at Philip's memorial, and have a warm relationship with the Windsors. Queen Juliana fled to England when the Nazi war machine rolled over Holland, and remained under the protection of the Windsors for the duration of the war.

[quote]Queen Juliana fled to England when the Nazi war machine rolled over Holland, and remained under the protection of the Windsors for the duration of the war.

Yes, No, and kinda....

[quote]The Dutch royal family initially took refuge in the United Kingdom but concerns for the safety of Juliana and her children during the German bombing of Britain in 1940 resulted in Juliana and her daughters, the future Queen Beatrix (born 1938) and Princess Irene (born 1939), accepting an invitation from the governor general of Canada, the Earl of Athlone, and Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone (Queen Wilhelmina’s first cousin) to reside in Canada for the duration of the Second World War.

[quote]the Dutch royal family found sanctuary in Canada during the war and Princess Margaret was born in Ottawa in 1943. These powerful connections helped form warm bonds of friendship and respect between the Dutch and the Canadians which continue to this day.

R380 Did not know about the Canadian connection, very interesting, thanks for the additional info.

Harry seems determined to just spew diarrhea over every single bit of goodwill anyone has ever had for him. It’s uncanny. What a miserable, pinched, craven piece of garbage he is.

Boy, I bet Duchess D-list could show the Dutch Royal Family the right way to run a royal residence!

Do they really not see how bad they look?

Having a rogue relative like Harry is every royal's worst nightmare.

I love that the Harkles are not being given space in one of the royal residences while in The Netherlands.

(A sigh of relief from the Dutch Royal Family staff.)

And no meet up with the Dutch King and Queen.

Great.

Harry has been a VIP all his life, so this will be be a shock to him. It’s astounding how thoroughly he and MM screwed up their exit from the firm.

I think you're correct, r387. They were denied entry into the UN Enclave during their NYC trip to meet Secretary General António Guterres. Why or what do these two turds even show up? They have nothing to offer and each time they "show up," their presence is so laughably awful and amateur, we wonder why Meghan is mustering her army from '97.

Harry and Andrew simply have no concept of what it means to live a non-VIP life. They really are like fish out of water. I wouldn't be surprised if they both declined, Andrew into health problems and Harry into drug/alcohol abuse. I also wouldn't be shocked if Andrew killed himself.

I assume the Invictus charity will be billed for the cost of Harry's hotel/rental accommodation in the style to which he is accustomed..

I also wouldn't be surprised if Andrew was prosecuted for one of his shady deals, eg, money laundering. The knives are out for him.

They may not be getting an audience with the Dutch King or stay at the palace but...

A Royal House spokesperson said: “King Willem-Alexander and Princess Margriet will attend the Invictus Games. The Princess will be present at the opening ceremony on April 16th, the King at the closing ceremony on April 22nd.”

Yes, R392, but those appearances by the King and Princess Margriet are not in any way about the Harkles.

Those appearances are to support the athletes.

And given how Sparkle has laser like antenna where cameras are concerned, I'd bet that the Dutch security people have orders to keep the Sussex pair at a far distance from the real Royals. To prevent any phony pictures claiming a close relationship. Like Sparkle tried to do with Michelle Obama, only to be hilariously shut down when MO responded that she had only met MM once when she (MM) "popped in" (I LOVE THAT PHRASE AND LAUGHED OUT LOUD WHEN I READ IT) to MO's previously scheduled event in London.

Princess Margriet is the King's aunt, an old lady with mo cachet whatsoever, which is a snub in itself.

Presence at opening and closing ceremonies is a necessary gesture. And Meghan won't even be there for the closing ceremonies.

It screams "bare minimum acknowledgement".

R393 but the chicken tacos! (while reading an email)

Jill Biden is supposed to be going to Invictus,will she let them latch on to her?

[quote]It screams "bare minimum acknowledgement".

Agreed. And it demonstrates clearly to one and all that that The Dutch Queen Maxima is in lockstep with the BRF in this case; The Harkles are persona non grata, and she ain't lending any credibility to them whatsoever. Hope she holds that line.

Will Megsie invite the current king of The Netherlands to join her for chicken tacos? Maybe she’ll make her famous banana bread.

She'll try to pussywhip him, like she did with dimwit Harry. You know, Queen of the Netherlands sounds much better than lame Duchess of Sussex, so a whore has got to do what a whore has got to do!

R396, she is? Well, you know Harry’s *very good friends* with the Bidens, so I’m sure they’ll be like this: 🤞

Now that Harry is focused on his own pain for the foreseeable future, maybe Invictus can merge with Wounded Warriors and find some new patrons that will genuinely work to support veterans. Harry isn’t interested anymore and it’s really obvious.

r401 if the rumours are true that for the first time the invictus games are paying Harry a huge appearance fee I think that is disgusting especially as I believe it was this charity that Prince william gave half a million too a year or two back to get them through the pandemic? I could be getting the charities mixed up but it was definitely a charity Harry was involved in.

This is how you front a series and this is what a respectable, responsible, mindful use of prominence looks like.

As always, the Harkles performance art, intended to impress and persuade, ends up an own goal in the overreach column.

Harry wants this event to shore up support for his case against the UK government to provide him with armed police protection for him and his family any time they visit Britain.

So, in addition to getting what is really ordinary protocol (Dutch police protection on a one-time basis), the Harkles' PR is putting it about that in preparation for this event, Harry and Meghan have been "trained" on response to a "hostile" environment, and what to do in the event of a terrorist attack.

In the Hague. For the Invictus Games. With, of course, a huge contingent of Netflix's camera crews watching every move.

The fact that the crude faux hysteria behind stories like this, and the amusement it generates, will not rea h the Harkles' ears. Unless Jan Moir steps up to the plate.

I'm sure the Cambridges and Cornwalls and Wessexes and Pss Anne (the only member of the BRF ever to find herself under physical threat), will have received such training.

But, oddly, they don't feel it necessary to broadcast it, although, in fact, the Cambridges and their kids, and Charles, are in reality the prime terror targets in Britain.

Any terrorist worth his salt would take one look at the Harkles' UK polls, and mutter, "No, not worth the ammo."

No matter what they do, what they give off is Trying Too Hard on service to their increasingly, and transparently desperate need to prove How Important We Are.

The additional story line, interestingly, came out AFTER the Dutch Royal Family made publicly evident its contempt for Harry, and low in its esteem Harry ranks.

The Home Office and the High Court must also be rolling their eyes.

^I should add that Pss Anne was directly physically threatened in a kidnapping attempt, which her then husband and her RPOs fought off, one of the latter wounded in the attempt. Unsurprisingly, HRH proved remarkably cool during the event.

But there is no "training" that insulates one against what happened to Lord Louis Mountbatten. Terrorists don't broadcast that kind of thing.

I'm sure trained dogs will have coveted the stadium, and a ring of violent kidnappers wont be breaking through the security Harry is bringing over at enormous cost (to whom, one wonders), plus the armed Dutch police.

I'm sure the Dutch taxpayers are thrilled.

^*covered (not coveted)

I am longing for the day when the Sussexes especially Harry are hissed at and booed at a speaking appearance.

So the Harkles are basically admitting that they are hated in pretty much every country? Do they realize that the police can't protect them from mockery and contempt?

Interesting article on today's CBC website about Harry and Meghan's stay in the Vancouver mansion.

Thanks for the link!

CBC.ca

Here, FGS...

R404, don’t forget the time someone ran out in front of the Queen while she was on horseback during a parade and fired a pistol —loaded with blanks, but she didn’t know that. Horse didn’t even flinch (trained not to) and queen continued on. 1981.

Actually the horse was startled as I remember, however TQ setttled it down quickly. She was riding side-saddle at the time too I think, which is extra dangerous because its a bit more difficult to jump off the horse than riding the normal 'astride'.

Harry and Meghan met with the Queen and Prince Charles at Windsor today while on their way to Holland.

I am cynical about anything Meghan and Harry do, I love how this "leaked" so quickly after it happened and I can't help but think this is just a PR exercise to boost their brand. On a human level, I do hope there was some sincerity in it and it's a start towards healing the rift to some degree....but I doubt it IMHO.

How can it be secret if it’s blabbed about in The Sun

Also, I thought the UK was too dangerous for them?

R417 - They were visiting the Queen and Charles. The security at Windsor is correspondingly watertight. That's the point: they don't need changed status to get the kind of security Harry insists upon when visiting his family. What he wants, is that status and security when he's doing his own thing, as well.

Of course, it was timed perfectly. They can head to The Hague with the cloak of HM around them, and make the Dutch royals look petty. I wonder if Willem and Maxima will change their minds in light of this

The Queen is in her dotage and should step aside now, although I can see the point in her feeling it's pointless as she's got one foot out the door and the other on a banana peel.

I'm sure the two of them purred like kittens at the fatuous old lady, who just wants to die knowing that she and her grandson made peace and things are going to be all right.

All whilst Harry pens more poison for filthy lucre.

I mean, did Charles read the excerpt from Tina Brown's book about how Harry hates Camilla?

Too much daylight let in upon what isn't so much magic as soap opera.

I give the Windsors twenty years at best. Their lustre is fading rapidly. The public hate the Sussexes and Andrew. And there they go, just a few slaps on the wrist for what actually is still on the books as Hight Treason.

[quote]I give the Windsors twenty years at best.

Come again?

It was the trail of slime that gave them away.

I’m surprised they didn’t bring the kids to get an updated photo with The Queen. I’m not sure this was such a warm reunion…Charles was there because no one trusts these two grifters alone with TQ.

It's such a shame that they kept the Queen's great grandchildren, Archie and Lili, in America. I bet she would have loved to have seen them - her face was a picture of love when she saw Archie, but Lili is still a complete stranger to her.

The Queen is not known for her maternal feelings or personal warmth. Why would she have any interest in MM's children, considering the look on her face at the Sussexes' wedding? If the Sussexes' plane crashed, I think many in the BRF would breathe a collective sigh of relief. They have well and truly moved on from dear Harry and his shenanigans apart from damage control.

I think she looks absolutely smitten here, and why wouldn't she? The Queen is known to have a soft spot for Harry, and Archie is his first child. I doubt she'll ever be given the opportunity to meet Lilibet.

I can't decide if MM is just sensitive because her kids are far from photogenic (and Archie is comically cross-eyed) or whether she is trying to play hard to get.

She's worried the kids will inherit her back fat.

Archie's cross-eyed. Lillibucks must be too which is why the only photo they've shown of them is sideways.