Prince Harry WILL NOT Attend His Grandfather's Memorial Service

We don't give a rat's ass.

He can go to Texas with no security but he can't go to the UK? That makes total sense.

More like he will not be allowed to attend. His behavior at PP's funeral was shameful.

Few people want him here, or have any interest in what he says. And I think there will be great relief even amongst his own relatives and former friends that he has finally found an excuse which he and his wife will be able to use for evermore to avoid attending royal events.

He's a cunt.

She's a cunt's cunt.

And soon Camilla will be queen.

I don't think we'll see much of the Shartles in a year or so. Megs imitating Ivanka Trump for clicks and scattered money is just SO déclassé, and Charles will be working too hard to maintain York and the northern counties in "The UK" after Wales and Scotland leave to bother with the tedious whining We Is Superior cadet branch of the family.

1. He blames the monarchy for the death of his mother.

2. He surrendered his balls to the golddigger he married

Good. Make your absence a habit, please.

Why is everybody being.mean to Harry?

Because, R8, you're anonymous. Otherwise, we'd be mean to you.

That's ok. I didn't attended my grandfather's memorial service either.

R8 they're upset he married a black woman.

What did he do at Prince Philip's funeral, R3?

[quote]they're upset he married a black woman.

Two dimensional thinking, hon. Reading is hard, right?

[quote]What did he do at Prince Philip's funeral

Reportedly offended his grandmother and father to the extent that neither of them gave him the time of day after the funeral. Likewise, there was the whole funeral wreath merching ...

[quote]What did he do at Prince Philip's funeral

also, his shoes

No one cares except you Klan Grannies but why would they have a service anyway? The old bastard died ages ago.

[quote]No one cares except you Klan Grannies but why would they have a service anyway? The old bastard died ages ago.

My, what a well thought out and articulated response. It really captures the entire arc of the discussion and ties it all up with a bow. Thank you for your clarity of mind and sharing such an erudite response to the question at hand.

R1, it's a perfectly fine response and what most of DL thinks. No one gives a shit about this as much as your ilk.

r5 You are right about them being cunts nearing irrelevance but I think you are confusing Wales and Northern Ireland. Support for Welsh independence in Wales is rather low. Scotland and Northern Ireland are the nations likely to go independent if any. But not Wales anytime soon or medium term.

My r17, so generous with your intellect! We are humbled. We are nothing but baby birds with our tiny beaks open for more of your pearls of wisdom.

He actually blames the press for his mother’s death. He does not blame the monarchy.

She killed herself by not wearing a seatbelt.

Good reminder about the funeral wreath sent by Harry and his wife -- as many people were watching the body literally leaving the church, the Smirkles issued a press release about it, noting the company thst made it. A new low in merching, even for them.

And don't forget Harry "Netflix" Weasel breaking formation on the funeral walk so he would be photographed with his father.

And R19 my response is the same, klan Granny. Perfectly fine response. You do you, hon.

R20 try to learn the proper way to quote here.

This is yet further evidence that Harry and Meghan care nothing for anyone except themselves. The Queen without doubt considers this public memorial to be a "command performance" for all members of her family, since it will be the occasion to honor the man whom she considered her rock. This is insulting to his grandmother. They're two selfish, entitled clunks. If he is so concerned about security, he should go alone. Disgraceful.

Yes, the tabloid press chased his mother down. But the driver of her car was drunk.

News of this came alongside news that the Montecito duo signed a letter criticizing western governments for their Covid policies vis a vis the developing world and other matters. They are wading into things the Royal Family should not. Non-working royals though they may be, this is not good for the monarchy..

Good riddance to them. At Christmas, the Queen paid tribute to her late husband's "sense of service." Harry and Meghan have no sense of service, except to themselves.

One of the highlights of Philip's funeral was just watching virtually everyone in the royal family (minus the Yorks) giving Harry the cold shoulder. Princess Anne and Sophie Wessex shot him the look of death right at the end as they were all leaving.

R8 Because people generally don't like a 38 year old whiny rich white man who is literally the spokesperson for white privilege going on television to complain that his father is not paying his bills anymore and he had to find work (despite the fact that at the time his father was actually still paying his bills) among a myriad of claims that were later proven to be fiction.

R10 Yes they were so upset about Harry marrying a biracial woman that she get better treatment as Harry's girlfriend than Kate, Fergie or Diana ever got (e.g. Harry was allowed to put out a statement telling the press to give Meghan privacy despite the fact the press weren't even hounding her because the Palace put pressure on UK publications not to publish private photos of her), she was allow to spend Christmas with the royals even before Harry married her which was unheard of, she was allowed to use Kensington Palace as her UK based before she and Harry were even engaged etc.).

Was he even invited?

Seriously, I doubt he'll show his face in the UK even for the jubilee. He probably is afraid of being booed, and he's also likely going to throw his family under the bus in his book later this year.

OP, why "sadly"?

... and the Royal Family, UK, and the Commonwealth burst out in hoorahs!!

Harry still intends to go to the Netherlands in April...with his recent trip to Texas and his planning to go to another European country, he's basically handing the Home Office victory in the security court case.

So he's safe everywhere but his home country? I don't follow the logic. Is England more dangerous than Amsterdam

You have to wonder if he is still the hero of the Invictus set...

Losers and fakers our haz and smegs

What pithy words of wisdom is he going to drop in the Hague? One can hardly wait to read them.

lol, r16 dragged out the thesaurus for that doozy of a post.

Save your time and money Harry, your grandad was a racist

Philip was a jerk. No one liked him. Maybe Harry doesn't want to fake it like the other royals. Good on him.

r36, trolling, trolling, trolling, just a' trolling!

Cunt

The Windsor wing of the English Defence League will just have to get along without Harry

I'm sure Phil's mistress, who he lived with the last year of his life and his bastard children will show up.

[quote] they're upset he married a black woman.

[Quote] Two dimensional thinking, hon. Reading is hard, right?

Occam's razor.

This is an incredible shame. It's a shame for their family, that can't or won't fix, and a bummer for the world to see. People who like seeing family strife are probably deeply wounded.

It's a shame on the Harry Windsors because they used racism as their shield when clearly their goal is self-aggrandizement. They've created a gigantic race battle they don't actually care about and aren't actually attending to- it's a bitter war fought online and it's not getting better. It's not helping anyone, like BLM or prison reform, and it's not going to serve their goal of getting rich and more important. They threw this grenade and ran.

[quote] One of the highlights of Philip's funeral was just watching virtually everyone in the royal family (minus the Yorks) giving Harry the cold shoulder. Princess Anne and Sophie Wessex shot him the look of death right at the end as they were all leaving.

Oh, boo-hoo. You jerked off to something that supposedly happened at a Nazi’s funeral.

R39 if his wife had no problem with Philip’s alleged mistress (also his cousin by marriage) - she was invited to his funeral by The Queen - I don’t see why it bothers you.

Maybe it offends your middle class judgemental prissiness.

No one cares about this murderous pedophile family. F&F.

O please. No-one in Britain cares about Harry. He's a national laughing stock.

I'm British and genuinely only ever hear about him and his wife on DL. Why are Americans so obsessed with them?

Funny that when HM, CIII, whittles down the Family Firm to his direct descendants it will be impossible NOT to include Harry and his family.

Will Harry return?

Because Americans know best, R45 - all evidence to the contrary.

Let Harry do his own thing. The BRF can mind their business.

He's better off without them. He has done more since he left England than the BRF has done over the last century.

One day they'll come crawling to him to save them.

R43, it's trashy. It's what you would expect from trailer park people. Everyone will be gossiping.

What exactly has he done, R48, since he “left England”?

It’s a serious question as I can’t think of a thing.

No, Harry will not "return." Have you seen even the slightest indication this might occur? I haven't.

To the frau upthread -- 'haz and smegs are not 'ours,' dear.

R45 - there are daily articles on them in the UK Daily Mail, so Americans are not the only ones obsessed with them.

[quote]Funny that when HM, CIII, whittles down the Family Firm to his direct descendants it will be impossible NOT to include Harry and his family. Will Harry return?

No, his sister in law and all her goofy faces can take his place

Thats just it r48, the BRF want little to do with him, as does the Commonwealth, however it is he and his wife that keep trying to publicly suck on the teat of the BRF for relevancy.

They've undeniably achieved nothing of any significance whatsoever since shirking their Royal duties and running away to America.

Which shows, R49, that while you may be familiar with trailer park people (on this I have no doubt), you have no clue about the English aristocracy.

Or much else, to be honest.

If you're serious R50 here's one serious reply: Harry called out racism in the BRF.

R52 you’re quoting the Daily Mail as a reference point? Oh my sides!

I think it would be better for everyone if he never returned to England. I don’t think the Duke and Dutchess of Windsor spent much time there either.

R56 The same Harry who was captured on film referring to other people as “rag heads” and to an Army colleague as a “paki”. That Harry?

You cannot be so stupid. Or maybe I’ve overestimated you.

I'll take Harry's place

[quote]If you're serious [R50] here's one serious reply: Harry called out racism in the BRF.

OMG you can't be serious.

R56 just to save you asking for proof

Smeg isn't going to show her face while fat.

[quote] You cannot be so stupid. Or maybe I’ve overestimated you.

You're not a serious person if you say things like this. But I'll ignore it and pay you the undeserved courtesy of a reply.

[Quote] referring to other people as “rag heads” and to an Army colleague as a “paki”. That Harry?

Yes, that Harry. He's the only one in the BRF who has grown and recreated himself to see the world outside of the accustomed privilege of the BRF he grew up in.

If you reply without ad hominem invective, i may respond.

Can you imagine the comments if she is photographed next to Kate?

R62, it's 2022. Join the rest of us

If Harry has said anything racist in the past, he learned from his family. William was at the same party when Harry wore the Nazi shirt. He had no problem with it and neither did charles

Meghan is slim, without having to be anorexic

Nope. She's now the size of your average American woman. Chubby

Fair enough R62 - it would be great if you could give some concrete examples of how Harry called his family on their “racism”.

Meanwhile, check out the attached.

Watch them on Oprah.

Compassion In Action, ya'll!!

R66 Nobody mentioned the swastika armband. Except you - well done!

Was his brother there when Harry referred to people as “ragheads” and “pakis”? Did William prep his brother to tell Stephen K Amos that he “didn’t sound like a black chap”?

It’s always someone else’s fault, isn’t it, with Harry?

R70 you mean when he and his wife lied? Great comeback.

Every palace is a prison. Meghan broke him free.

They may not attend the memorial service, but they will be accepting donations to Archewell in Philip's honor.

^ perfect

Smeg needs a new Dior purse.

[quote]He's the only one in the BRF who has grown and recreated himself

The only thing Harry has done is expose since leaving is expose himself for the blithering idiot he is.

His Royal image handlers are to be commended for covering his assholery for all the years that they did.

R56 about those examples of Harry calling out the BRF on its racism?

Just one or two will do. You’ve gone awfully quiet!

Harry has been very busy since he left the royal, he's become clairvoyant warning the head of Twitter about insurrections

and Meghan well she's always at her husband's side....well except anywhere that doesn't have a red carpet.

No one cares about this. Everybody knew that there would be brf sanctioned hit pieces on Harry and Meghan after William globally trended for his ignorant comments. The amount of blueticks and big names with millions of followers ripping into William isn't going to go away because of faux outrage. It does confirm that William chucks his own family to the wolves to cover his own ass. And it makes him look like a sociopath. No one is buying the smear job. Go check twitter.

R74, he went from the frying pan to the fire. Is he any more “free” now? He’s got a wife and two kids, a gigantic mortgage, expansive security needs (*eyeroll*), and now he has to hustle and scramble for money to pay for it all.

R81 Ignorant comments that he didn’t actually make, as has subsequently been confirmed. They were invented by a woke journalist with an obvious agenda.

And don’t reference Twitter unless you want to confirm your stupidity. Or maybe you go check Twitter, where the retraction is there for all to see.

Try again, but this time, with facts, not fabrication.

How dare you! H&M are in constant danger! Haven't you seen the photos of Meg being chased by paps? They won't stop until she's dead!!

Neither will the Queen.

UK's Queen Elizabeth pulls out of Commonwealth Service

I'm sure the Queen will be disappointed to be missing the Commonwealth Service.

r64 Sure thats why he has not given up his place in the line of succession , his own titles , his wish for his kids to have titles and cried on telly that Daddy cut off his royal millions.Thats why he is suing for royally derived IPP status so he canbe a VIP and have royal security.You are talking absolute crap.He wants the benefits of royalty but not the responsibilities.Nothing stops him from relinquishing his place in the line of succession so what is the hold up? Harry is VERY attached to the royal system.VERY.

r42 Prince Philip was not a nazi.He fought against nazis.

Snort

r66 You are infantilising a grown man and saying he doesnt have moral agency or responsibilty for his actions because of his family? Give over! I bet you dont hand out free passes like that to other people to excuse their behaviour. Harry is also reported to have said about 8 years ago and he has never denied it- when telling his friends he was dating a new girlfriend from africa who was a white british girl whose family owned land and lived there " I am dating a girl from Africa but dont worry shes not black dont worry" So please Harry is the royal racist not some unnamed person who he threw accusations at with contradictory details.

r70 Oprah seems to have done her best to scrub the interview from the internet.It damages her credibility it seems

r72 Habitually not taking responsibility for your actions is very much straying towards possible personality disorder territory .People with some of these conditions exhibit a fondness for playing the victim also.

R20, Harry blames both.

r81 The comments were not made as a video of the event proves.

R42, You should follow Abraham Lincoln's advice.

The new and improved Prince Andrew will be there.

Why the fuck would Harry go to a trashy rodeo in trashy Fort Worth? Hmm? Because Biden was going to Fort Worth the next day for an event for veterans. So no doubt Harry hoped to be invited and photographed with Biden so it would look like Harry was a Major Celebrity. Looks like Biden told him to piss off just like the Obamas have. Poor Harry.

R69, he learned that type of talk from his racist grandpa

He was raised in a racist family. You just proved it

R85, she's still weak from the Covid charles gave her

R96 You’re not very bright, are you?

[quote]It does confirm that William chucks his own family to the wolves to cover his own ass. And it makes him look like a sociopath. No one is buying the smear job. Go check twitter.

William learned that from charles, who paid a man to sell out William and Harry to the tabloids in exchange for positive stories about camilla

What a great dad

Right. It's always someone else's fault. H is not responsible for anything he does.

You sussex asslickers are insane.

What about the racism by his wife, R56? She didn't give her mother the time of day until she needed her as a prop.

The BRF are inherently and at time overtly racist. The sooner they are done, the better. Charles & Camiltoe will be the last of them. Queeny is gonna die within 18 months regardless. We see her decline and all the signs of a body in the last stage of life. She worked hard at whatever it is she was supposed to do. Seemed a decent woman with a poor judge of character.

Harry and Meghan are beloved as righteous figures of rebellion and voices of equality. They are not dynamic public features but far and safely removed from the deplorable House of Windsor. That took bravery and conscience.

Only Diana and Harry can truly be considered modern. They lived experience is seismic. And they are both troubled. The constructs and confines of the empirical institution and their own privilege made their transitions to proletariat heroes quite rocky.

Meghan was a great catalyst of change who will go down in history as both a real and symbolic woman who ENDED the empire rules and exposed the hypocritical noblesse oblige of the Racist Colonizers and fake figureheads of Betty Windsor and her Nazi husband and rapist offspring.

Harry and Meghan have visibly suffered. They are not more beautiful for it. But they are heroes of progress and the modern world. Diana would be so very proud.

Give Liz her big funeral and all the roses. Then let it all end. No one has any appetite for this show anymore.

Live in the Light, Harry and Meghan. You taught us that you can sometimes change the world by turning away from "benevolent" evil. And the world applauds your graceful courage.

* Their lived experience is seismic.

R83, I'm actually interested in the story that these comments were manufactured. Do you have a link? They seemed out of character at the time.

r102 Why hasnt Harry removed himself from the line of succession if what you say is true ? Whats the hold up? Why does he still actively seek some of the benefits of royal priviledge if what you say is correct? You are projecting a fantasy onto him that bears no relation to the reality of Harry .

Still not better r103.

r102 diana believed in the royal right to rule and the power of the crown.Again you are projecting an unhinged ill informed fantasy onto her.She was also no angelic light given she slept with and pursued a number of married men.

Pish posh, I say it's spinach, and I say the hell with it!

Actually, can anybody remove himself from the line of succession? Is that a thing? You can abdicate, but that is after the fact. Can you do the "if nominated I will not run" thing when it comes to the crown?

r109 He can publicly renounce and relinquish his claim to the throne. State it publicly that he does not want it and then parliament will do the rest no problem at all .Do you think he will? does the faux royal rebel have some desire for the throne ? Because not saying anything could only be explained by having some desire for it. So perhaps not the big enlightened egalitarian afterall?

I know there is fucking egg in this dish, I can fucking taste it. I said no fucking egg EVER!!

R109 Prince Michael did when he married DL fave the crazy Nazi because she's a Catholic.

Interesting old article about Bolland who appears to have been a shit and William developed into his arch-enemy. I always believe Richard Kay because he was BFFs with Diana: she was on the phone to him every day for years, leaking stories favorable to her. I always wondered if she had an affair with him. He was very hunky in his youth.

Well, the chances are pretty slight at this point S Angel. Three kids for William. That's a hell of a hurdle in this day and age. Richard III could've carried it off maybe, but there's so many damn cameras around these days and everyone is so techy.

Hi R56!

That's interesting about Prince Michael r112. When all is said and done, Nazis and whatnot, the horror of Catholicism still trumps all other considerations.

Many are breathing a sigh of relief they don't have to walk on eggshells around the petulant man child and his scheming wife.

Smegs is writing expressions of sympathy on condolence bananas which will expressed to the BRF for the memorial service.

Jesus, SA is still around?

r113 Slim maybe but I bet the faux royal rebel harbours desire for the throne otherwise there is nothing to lose in publicly stating otherwise.He has had plenty else to say on all manner of topics.

Harry and Meghan are like Jusdie Smollet or that Balloon Boy family, they'll do anything to be famous. They thought they'd call the BRF racists and then move to America and become Hollywood darlings. Everyone with a brain saw through it, but the losers of the world eat that shit up.

If the BRF is so terrible and they’re racist colonizers, why did the black woman marry in? Why haven’t they renounced their royal links/ties?

They ARE famous r120. Whatever else you want to accuse them of, and really, there is a lot, but seeking fame just doesn't apply to those as close to the throne as Megs and Harry. They are famous cause they are famous. The son of Prince Charles and Princess Diana and whatever woman he marries were always destined to be a famous couple.

Because Smegs was naive, claiming not to know anything about Harry or the BRF.

Her Google must have been in the shop.

Sorry, my comment was in response to R121.

The losers of the world are spewing racist hate on this thread. As always. A few monarchists - the rest are just the Friday night garden variety ancient white RACIST fags of Datalounge. They come out to play on the weekend. EXTRA DRUNK. OLD white racist DRUNKS who quote Joan Crawford and Valley of the Dolls and worship Queen Elizabeth of the Colonies.

These sad 80 + year old posters imagine themselves to be educated and superior - because they survived 45 years on their knees at Glory Holes? Disco danced for two decades in a cubicle with their ASS up in bathhouses. The dregs of dark rooms and survivors on the plague. They live in diapers.

^ LoL, that's genius. ^

Sweetie, you are overwhelmed r125. Breathe, darling. You are taking it all too seriously. You have lost your equanimity.

And really, anybody who has spend two decades disco dancing in a cubicle with their ass up to a glory hole really deserves your respect, honestly. It's actually rather impressive.

Here you go R104, much as I hate to link to Twitter.

Tl:dr R125

r125 Which posts are racist on this thread and more importantly why? You cheapen racism as an issue when you throw accusations around like confetti.Criticism is not racism.

R125 is a proud graduate of the Archewell Creative Writing program.

Your disease smells the worst R130! I know exactly who I am accusing and why. Change your diaper before you address me.

R102 what makes you think that your opinion matters in the least? You’re an American - why do you care? Why do you think that your opinion is worth fuck all?

And you might want to not litter your rants with “gonna”, “queenyi”, “Liz”, “empire rules”, “Betty Windsor”, “racist husband”, “live in the light” etc as well as quoting Diana from beyond the grave, if you want someone, anyone to take you seriously.

Dunning Kruger - you’re the living embodiment.

^ See my other post about you, at R125.

So you agree, unhinged R102?

r133 Good post! not to mention the idea Meghan was seeking positive change . Meghans idea of modernising the monarchy which has been confirmed by things she has said since and things she has done was to create a situation were royals had the bare minium to do duty wise and the maximum opportunity to merch the monarchy to make a personal fortune.There is nothing bringing down the system about such a grift.

This thread is littered with some trolls saying Harry and Meghan broke away and had to escape.Are they forgetting that they originally asked for a HALF IN HALF OUT arrangement?? It doesnt fit with their victim narrative so they want us to forget.They very much wanted a foot in the door of the evil system they claim to have escaped from.Having a tantrum when you cant get your own way is not heroic or revolutionary nor is lying about it afterwards.

Sieg Heil R125

[quote] Maybe it offends your middle class judgemental prissiness.

To y'all and all y'all, R133.

Dunning Kruger never fucked you, no matter how far UP you held your white flat ASS and squirmed. Put a towel over the light and pay somebody to take care of your needs. Leave better men alone. Remember your place.

Once again, but in English please, R138 - put the pipe down and try not to slobber over your keyboard.

Interesting to see you reveal your racist bias in the first “sentence”, though, MartaLira.

Oh those innocent days, when we all held our flat white asses up to Dunning Krueger and begged to be fucked with his false expertise. If only the light were not towel covered. What heaven that might have been. And what a place that was.

Nope, still not understanding. I don’t quite understand your kind of English, MartaLira.

[quote]Prince Philip was not a nazi.He fought against nazis.

You mean his sisters and brothers-in-law.

Well, r142, it was all sort of complicated.

But wouldn’t that make him more anti-Nazi, R142? Please enlighten us!

And Uncle David.

R143 Nothing complicated about Phil's sisters and brothers-in-law being ardent Nazis.

Just for the record Prince Philip's sister Margarita and her husband Gottfried were part of group that plotted to assassinate Hilter in 1940s. Gottfried was part of the German military as every German male of age had to be, but leaked information to the Allies through the Swedish Royal Family (who were neutral)

His youngest sister Princess Sophie was fairly pro-Hilter until closer to the end of the war. Philip did not have any communication with Sophie until the 1960s.

None of his relatives, sans his mother Princess Alice, were allowed at any royal events until well into the 1980s.

R147 thanks for saying what I was going to, but to be honest, there is no point in trying to educate people who think that they know better, based on minimal evidence.

Philip’s mother - Princess Alice - was honoured by Israel as “Righteous among the nations” for hiding Jewish refugees in her house in Athens during WW2 during German occupation. She had been married into the Greek royal family.

So much for Philip’s family of Nazis.

R147 Thank you for this. It's good to see some people get their information from other places than just "The Crown." Though born a Prince of Greece and Denmark, Philip was British. He lived in the UK from about the age of eight and had a hugely successful naval career during the second world war.

As for all this BS about the Brits begin a bunch of colonizers, it a bunch a crap designed to make us feel better as a country and turn a blind eye to the fact that America is not only one of most racist countries in the west to this day, we are also the major colonizer. I mean how many countries have we stuck our noses into in order to "spread democracy and American values?"

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R125 in response to your reference to “the plague” I say, drop dead you miserable piece of shit.

[quote]So much for Philip’s family of Nazis.

R147 His sisters and brothers-in-law were ALL ardent Nazis. All joined the Nazi Party, in Margarita's and Gottfried's case, in 1937. Gottfried enlisted in the Wehrmacht and participated in the Anschluss. The couple used their family connections to promote a rapproachement of the Nazis in England. Trivializing their devotion to Hitler and National Socialism is erroneous.

R149 Phil's mother hid a Jewish family and was honored as a Righteous Gentile. That does not lessen or change the fact that her daughters and sons-in-law were the Nazi scum she hid them from.

Agreed R152 - that poster is disgusting. Not to mention its use of “fags”, but talk like that goes unpunished on the DL, sadly.

Which has what to do with Prince Philip, R153?

If his mother’s actions had nothing to do with his sisters’, then the same should apply to him, right?

R66, your magnum of Kool Aid called. It's empty again, because you've drained it. Again. I'd fill it up chop chop double pronto if I were you. You wouldn't want to drift back down to reality anytime soon, now would you?

[quote] He's a cunt. She's a cunt's cunt. And soon Camilla will be queen.

And Camilla is the cunt to end all cunts! No one is a bigger cunt than she is.

R155 Go back and read R146 R153 S L O W L Y. Nowhere was Phil's sympathies/connection other than familial asserted.

Then what was the point of raising that connection at all, R158?

R153 I don't know what you're trying to prove really? I am of German heritage and sadly both my grandfathers served in the SS because they had no choice (their families would have been killed if they did not). So I guess that makes my parents and me what Nazis by association? Anyone with any German relationship during WWII have ancestral ties to Nazism as Philip does. And I'm sure Philip's sisters and brothers-in-law initially supported Hitler (many Germans did) but factually they turned against him by the 40s. Does it make it right, of course not but that's history for you it's not binary.

R160 it's because people like R153 are part of growing trend where people can no longer distinguish history from the present. If you ancestors are, therefore you are: e.g. if your black your a victim, if you're white you're automatically a racist nut, books from decades ago should be banned because they are full of subjects that aren't up to our current social values etc.

Because people like R153 always know best, R130. Even when they don’t, unfortunately.

H cannot travel to his homeland because his family will be blown to bits the minute they hit the ground. At least, that's what sussex stans are claiming.

[quote]Then what was the point of raising that connection at all,

R159 Is it a secret? Of course not. Unless you're of the oh it's history, who cares? mob.

[quote] And I'm sure Philip's sisters and brothers-in-law initially supported Hitler (many Germans did) but factually they turned against him by the 40s

R160 Erroneous assumption. Gottfried spent the war on the Eastern Front for his participation in the plan to assassinate Hitler. But the rest of them remained ardent Nazis. As their personae non gratae status in Britain illustrates.

[quote]re part of growing trend where people can no longer distinguish history from the present.

R161 Another member of the oh it's history, who cares? mob. Santayana warned about people like you and R159.

[quote] Because people like [R153] always know best, [R130]. Even when they don’t, unfortunately.

R162 How difficult it must be for you to live in a world with those whose opinions differ from your own.

He can only travel with his family. If he considers his family unsafe in England, as a husband and father, he must naturally decline. Family first.

[quote]you’re quoting the Daily Mail as a reference point? Oh my sides!

You're the one who constantly posts things from the Daily Mail.

[quote]Which shows, [R49], that while you may be familiar with trailer park people (on this I have no doubt), you have no clue about the English aristocracy.

La de da. You know who does this kind of stuff besides the royal family, the gypsies. They have all the bastard children and mistresses at the funeral.

The Queen is no better than a gypsy. Her family is trash.

Europe's at war! Surely you don't expect the delicate (albeit ex-Afghanistan fighter) to brave that, do you?

Come to think of it, Google tells me he was awarded a prize for best co-pilot gunner when he first qualified as an Apache pilot in February 2012.

So why doesn't he volunteer in Ukraine? His life isn't worth shit anymore anyhow. And if he survived, his reputation would be partially repaired.

Haznoballs cannot go to war. He has to guard his family!1 from the danger that is coming at them from every direction!

Send Andrew. Perhaps he can redeem himself.

So, are all these idiots actually MeAgain and Harry Loons or Sunshine Sachs Minimum Wage Slaves protecting a client?

Regardless...yawn.

The Sussexes are so non-important that they can't even muster up much of a fuss on the DL anymore.

In the Crazy Ole Days, there'd be 35 threads going at once.

Nowadays, it's slim pickings. Mainly because the Sussexes don't actually DO anything other than take up vague air space.

They have gotten boring. Same old song and dance every time.

How many times must it be repeated that of course the BRF are racist. Their entire existence is based on the fact that they have literal, superior blood. And Harry and Meghan agree with this, reminding us through their letters to the public that royalty is Harry and the children's BLOODRIGHT. And the common folk are supposed to feel sorry they aren't being treated as racially superior? Doesnt matter fuck all if it's because Meghan is black when she AGREES with that blood superiority and wants it granted to her children as well. She is not the hero we need.

He's a coal burner. Get him out.

R174 Pink people should have some fun.

R173. Harry and Meghan are the only ones who go on publicly about being special just because of their birth or marriage. To the extent the other members of the family believe it , they don’t publicise it. They realise that their positon has to be justified by public service and observing strict rules of conduct. Only Harry and Meghan believe they have an innate “right to be heard” and a right to public funding and titles regardless of where they live and what they do. They are stuck in the 18th century.

“Meghan was a great catalyst of change”

Meghan, The Catalyst of Change. She really needs to drop the old Duchess stuff and claim her shiny new title.

R160 ws probably being fibbed to by his family. People weren't executed for not joining the SS.

He “hopes to visit the Queen” but can’t, because he’s not an IPP.

The French Revolution was in the 18th century too if I'm not mistaken.

R102 if you aren't a parody post, ya need to see a psychiatrist.

R102 is also R125, so it’s not a parody post. Just the ranting of a sick fuck.

R182 I do wish Muriel would block Meghan's devoted middle-aged, obese black fangirl. I'm sure she can express her racist, homophobic views much more effectively on Lipstick Alley.

I want to add to what I wrote upstream.

If these two navel gazers had attended this memorial service, arriving at the Abbey, seated, and processing out according to precedence (as is usual), although they are now "non-working" members of the Royal Family, they would have been relegated further down the line. Relegated to supporting roles is not what this couple likes. Hence, put out a public statement announcing your absence from this public memorial and ensure you are center stage ahead of it. And guarantee your absence will remain a topic during it.

Publicly stating that it is his intention to visit his grandmother soon is pure PR Bullshit. The Montecito Duke ought to know that his grandmother will soon be 96 and is in frail health. This would have been a perfect opportunity for a public reconciliation. It is obvious that there has been no reconciliation with his family.

Clarence House publishing a photograph of Camilla performing her public duties at a reception with a photo of Charles accompanying Meghan down the aisle and meeting Harry at the altar in the background was a brilliant public relations move. It is a reminder that the Mountbatten-Windsors welcomed Ms Markle into the fold and gave her a wedding worthy of a young woman fresh off the bloom (which as a divorced woman in her mid-thirties she hardly was).

As a divorcee, Meghan shouldn't have had a big wedding nor should she have been wearing white. Harry and Meghan should have got married at a registry office like Charles and Camilla did.

I believe the palace staff who said that Meghan was impossible to please no matter what you did for her. She did not WISH to be pleased because her plan was always to bounce in, scoop up as much money and fame as she could, and bounce out again, shouting racism all the while. She wanted the publicity and the perks, not the work. There was no way she was ever going to stay the course, however much they catered to her. Luckily the BRF figured that out pretty quickly and started drawing lines in the sand.

Meghan still stuck to her original plan, bouncing in and bouncing out, shouting racism, but she didn't scoop up as many perks as she wanted. Hence, the continued tantrums.

R185 that's one way to show you're a elderly Victorian era spinster aunt.

Lots of divorced women have white weddings now and **gasp** even non-virgins.

Because we live in a narcissistic time. It’s not a virginity test. It’s the fact that she’s been married before. How many lavish weddings are you supposed to have in a lifetime? Should her third wedding be even bigger?

R186 It's pretty obvious if you do some simple research to conclude that Meghan never intended to remain a full time working royal. After her marriage she retained her LA management team and used a US based PR firm for publicity. It's fairly clear that she and Harry wanted to be half-in/half-out having the perks of royalty with the ability to make money off of it. We now know that the Queen, prior to Harry and Meghan's marriage, did offer Harry an out saying that he and Meghan could have a private life and go live wherever they wanted but that the trade off would be he wouldn't get a Dukedom as a wedding gift.

The Oprah interview was a temper tantrum because the Queen utterly refused to allow them to be working royals while trading off their titles. Most of their claims in that interview have since been proven false: They did not get married 3 days prior to the wedding. Charles did not cut them off financially. Harry knew his security would be cut off and agreed to it. The couple were actively seeking production deals with online streaming companies within weeks after the wedding, their deals with Spotify and Netflix weren't "unplanned." Harry had met with Oprah privately before the wedding to discuss a possible interview and a joint series. Every account of the Kate/Meghan crying thing is that Kate cried not Meghan. The claim that Meghan knew nothing about the royals but according to numerous friends and family she was obsessed with Diana as a teenager. The palace holds parties for the UK Press also not true. The royals were briefing against H/M again not true.

Finally, both told a different story about the racism claims within the interview (Meghan said it was when she was pregnant, Harry said it happened when they just started dating).

If that's true, R186, she's overplaying her hand because they're both getting boring. And one quite fat.

[quote] she retained her LA management team and used a US based PR firm for publicity

Smart girl!

I agree, R190. Meghan had a plan but made it without truly understanding how the BRF works. It's essentially a public service organization. The perks and fame are amazing, but the work has to be done and the downsides (no privacy, constant criticism), endured. You can't just have the good and not take the bad, and that's precisely what the Sussexes want. No matter how many times they are told that half-in half-out is a non-starter, they somehow think if they just scream loud enough, eventually the BRF will give in. The Queen clearly won't, but now they seem to think that Charles will, hence the recent article proclaiming that Harry and Meghan will be part-time royals once the Queen dies.

They know they have to move fast to twist Charles's arm because once William ascends, they are done. The first thing he'll do is tell the Sussexes to fuck off forever.

Even if she could keep the weight off she's aging past much work, the extent of her talent is debatable and fairly or unfairly she's got a critics' bullseye on every performance. Also debatable is the perception of her brand value, in terms of what it represents, who values it, and how much it produces. So if she's so smart, what's she aiming for? Because famous for being famous usually ends in much more and wider mockery than here (see Madonna's Instragram.) If it was all a plan it was certainly executed but what is the point if you get in the way of yourself almost every time?

The Sussexes will be toast with the press within ten years. At that point, William's kids will be teenagers and the focus of attention. Harry and Meghan will be middle-aged and boring. Maybe Archie and Lili may get some attention, but only if they have star quality OR become total trainwrecks.

The real fame always follows the throne, and the Sussexes will be further and further from it as time goes on. That's how it works.

They thought that, since Harry had polled near the top of the royal family and since they were both very current and popular as a result of being a new couple, they had almost unlimited leverage over the family. The thought of losing them would be so frightening that the Queen would agree to allow them to divorce their titles from public service, politicise the family, and exploit their public positions for private financial gain.

It’s embarrassing the extent to which they overestimated themselves. No single member of the family is indispensable. Even the Queen mother’s death had no real effect on the popularity and survival prospects of the institution. She had been part of the family for almost 80 years and served as an icon of British resistance during the war. The idea that mediocre Meghan’s two years of half -hearted public service made her indispensable is laughable. How dim and self-deluded can two people be?

R194. Correct assessment, but by any reasonable definition they are already middle-aged, and it won’t take ten years before they are toast with the press. They are pretty close to being that already.

At a certain point, maybe a couple years from now, Megs and Harry will have to admit that their terribly earnest public announcements and worthy initiatives aren’t going anywhere.

When that happens, it will be interesting because the next —final— option is to trot out the kids. So far she’s tried to do it on her own, dragging Harry with her like a sack of potatoes. She’s acquiesced to Harry’s (because I am sure it came from him) demand to not use the kids for publicity. He didn’t like it growing up and he wouldn’t want his kids to have to go through what he did.

She, on the other hand, would welcome it the attention. It would deflect from her unpopular persona if she reimagined herself as doting mother.

I don't understand Meghan. Why pursue a Prince of the Realm if you didn't want a working royal in good standing?

Why work to separate Harry from his country, family, and status if that's whence the money springs?

Why, IOW, Harry?!

Reading backwards, I see that r195 gives me an answer!

Harry and especially Meghan are not the clever strategists they thought they were!

Markle out for undeserved adoration and celebrity not to mention easy money, identified her mark and managed to land the dullest tool in the shed.

R39, What?! More, please!

No, r57, r52 was not "quoting" the DM. He was making an accurate observation about a popular British newspaper that aims to please its readers.

R201 - There is no more, as you well know. In fact, there was none at all.

Take it outside, you and your doppelganger. We all see what you're up to.

R104 - It was made quite obvious when the video of what William actually said was run. Go look it up for yourself. Omid Scobie had to back down, Nadine White allowed as how she THOUGHT she heard him say it but maybe she didn't, and the DM took down the Tweet of the Muslim lawyer scumbag who jumped on it before it became obvious that it was a smear.

Hopefully the High Court will rule against that whingeing shite who still wants to grift off the UK taxpayer (now that he knows it's illegal for some private citizen to "hire" the police for their personal needs) as said taxpayer is sinking to its knees under increased national insurance taxes, council fees, petrol prices, food prices . . . spoilt tone-deaf twat.

Then Harry and Meghan will get the message and admit what we already know: Britain wants no part of them.

Thank God he's not coming to the memorial. Philip would disdain the cheap celebrity Meghan dragged Harry into chasing.

R198, good question. People like Meghan take what they want and discard when they’re done.

Harry was a stepping stone. Having been a royal wife would increase the value of her stock. And once you’ve landed one wealthy and powerful man, you’ve got the seal of approval and other wealthy powerful men don’t mind taking another’s sloppy seconds (Wendi Deng, Jerry Hall, Lauren Sanchez come to mind…).

She’d be in the company of a more rarified society than ever before, and could go for the REAL fuck-you money. She’s already famous and royal, she’d have her pick of billionaires.

^^ Or so she thought.

Y'all are demented if you think that marriage'll last another year. Infatuation wears off in 3 years. Harry's infatuation with Meghan has already worn off. Now she's dominating and abusing him. He'll hit rock bottom soon and be outta there. She had no attraction to him. She had a D list career and was past her sell-by date. The only way she could get the fame she'd been denied was by marrying a Harry - any Prince Harry. She'll cling onto him as long as she can and she'll cling onto the title forever while fucking any rich guy she can still get.

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R209 Omg that video is embarrassing. In his first video for the first Invictus Games he had the Queen and the Obamas and it was funny ... this is one of the videos where people ARE laughing but not for the right reasons.

Well, well, well. Harry dressed up in orange to offend Catholics. Well done, dimwit.

He looks like an american jail inmate in the orange getup. Perhaps he will juggle his balls again for the dutch.

Odd coming from someone who wants to be seen as a global business leader.

Orange being the National color of the Netherlands.

Although Harry looks like a total idiot, in fairness as R214 points out Orange is the national colour of the Netherlands and the dutch royal family are the House of Orange.

Apparently, the Queen was only told Harry wasn't coming to Philip's memorial service 10 minutes before his office confirmed he would still be going to Amsterdam. Of course he is getting paid by Netflix to go to Holland, not so much for his grandfather's service.

Meghan must be mortified that the whole world knows she had slept with the man in that video.

R206, that plan only works if the woman stays long enough to really pick up a royal burnish AND if she is smart enough to keep her mouth shut in the process. Billionaires don't want wives who will try to outshine them or can't be discreet.

To wit, if William got hit by a bus tomorrow, Kate would be at the top of the list of many a billionaire: beautiful, elegant, discreet, and unlikely to whinge about wanting another baby. I'm not saying Kate would go for any of them, but that's the kind of woman they want. Not twice-divorced D-listers who love to sue everybody.

Mommy can we watch that video of Uncle Harry you and Daddy were laughing at again?

Orangemen are also violent Protestant militia in Northern Ireland. Harry is dumb as shit.

No, the context is all-important. If he'd worn orange in Northern Ireland, that would have been very different.

I haven't been following the story about the memorial service. Why are they having one if he already had a funeral??

R220 Harry's a Brit and if he's too stupid to remember Ulster's troubles, he better apply for US nationality today.

Or at least explain what kind of visa he's here on. He doesn't qualify for a student, tourist or diplomatic visa. How is he still here?

[quote]Why are they having one if he already had a funeral??

Because the last one was so crowded they didn't get to talk to everybody after at the lunch, Rose.

Well-known people often have memorials as well as funerals, R221 - academics, politicians, entertainers etc. The funeral is formal and largely fixed around ceremony and also the relatives and loved ones are really sad. The memorial comes months or more later (often the anniversary of the death or funeral), with more space for tributes, stories and so on and the families of the dead person are more able to appreciate it.

The memorial service is also - “lighter”, I guess - women wear the lighter mourning colours of purple, blue or grey, and if there are speeches about the deceased, they’re often amusing rather than formal.

I suspect that Philip’s will be quite formal but wouldn’t be surprised if his widow wore purple or grey rather than black, as she did here at the memorial service for her former brother in law, Lord Snowdon.

Thank you, R225 and 226.

I would imagine its a huge relief within the family that the rat faced traitor isn't going to make an clownish appearance

Harry will send his thoughts and prayers out during his daily meditation, while Megs writes thoughtful messages on memorial bananas, stopping only to change poopy diapers.

Perhaps Her Majesty will wear mauve.

Selfish, brow beaten, ginger cunt.

[quote]This is an incredible shame. It's a shame for their family, that can't or won't fix, and a bummer for the world to see.

Can you please elaborate why you believe this is the case?

r232, it's a shame he did not expound on the shame.

Someone on the Sussex PR payroll is a mole out to sabotage them - likely the same person who got his wife onto the Ellen De Generis show.

That is one of the the most embarrassing bits of PR I have ever witnessed.

Jesus, what a fucking clown he looks like.

Prince Harry doesn’t flush the toilet.

He’s laying the groundwork for the kill when he publishes his book so he can get that money.

I don't know if they got a mole but the Ellen thing was such a disaster. She looked like a fool. The great strategist...

R236, I’d love to know more about the discussions between Harry and the publisher. “Harry, the ghostwriter says you keep postponing your work sessions. You’re not pulling a Spotify, are you?”

They must be fairly shutting their pants right now. And the houses that didn’t snag Just Harry must be thanking their lucky stars. Imagine trying to get that clown to fulfill his publicity obligations.

[quote]They must be fairly shutting their pants right now.

I have trouble shutting my pants. That zipper just won't stay closed!

The reality is I don't think Harry will ever see his grandmother again. Today reports are suggesting the Queen is effectively unable to walk anymore and she pulled out of the Commonwealth Service because she doesn't want to be seen in a wheelchair. Sadly I don't think she's going to make to 100+ like her mother. And while Harry doesn't get on with most of his family now, he did get on well with his grandfather, though they allegedly had a bit of a falling out when Philip allegedly warned him not to marry Meghan, and going to the memorial service would, beyond providing closer, would be good PR. It's funny how Sunshine Sachs is so quick to promote this idea that Harry and Meghan are so close to the Queen and yet, the evidence does not suggest that at all.

Has anyone started a "Queen's Sad Last Days" thread?

Because honestly...I think the end is nigh.

London Bridge is about to fall.

Maybe honoring old Phil would be bad for their "brand"?

After all the shit Harry and Meghan have pulled, I'm sure the Queen has no time for either of them. She hasn't successfully pulled off her monarchy for 70 years by being anybody's weak link.

I agree that this year will probably see the death of Queen Elizabeth. She's hanging on for the Jubilee, and after that it will probably be a matter of weeks.

For tonight's BAFTAs

Fuck the BBC. William gets props for showing a backbone and making it clear there is a price for assuming he's a pushover like his father and they can push an antimonarchist narrative through a crap journalist and then expect William to lend his royal glamour to their big show.

Maybe they'll be more careful next year.

R243 - Oh, yes, she has been the weak link for both Andrew and Harry. She spoiled Andrew and she wasn't nearly tough enough on the Sussexes. They should have lost the Sussex title, and she should have refused to renew the lease on Frogmore Cottage for them. She has the disposition of Crown Estates property, even if she cannot get any revenue personally from them. And, the clock is running down to announce changes to the Counsellor of State and Regent issue.

She did fantastically in everything except her own family. She may or may not be taking a touch line now, and Harry heading off to the Invictus Games in The Netherlands whilst he sues her government for security that he now knows would fall on the backs of UK taxpayers, without which he refuses to go see her while she totters into the grave, should have been the last straw.

Apparently, it isn't.

If it were William, Harry and Meghan would know the gig was up and they'd never set foot in a royal residence again.

The Queen IS the weak leak here, and so is Charles.

William swings the only real dick in the family.

^* she may or may not be taking a tough (not touch) line now

Everybody on twitter was criticizing Rebel Wilson's performance at the BAFTAs. Apparently she was terrible.

R249 The BAFTAs were TERRIBLE this year, but her Harry and Meghan joke was the highlight of an otherwise dreadful performance.

Please, she ain't kicking the bucket any time soon. My father is 101 and has been in and out of hospital a number of times in the past 2 years. He was walking at age 100, and only moved to a wheelchair to minimize falls. He can still walk but we try to thwart it, because he is unsteady at times. The Queen has the best medical attention on the planet, she'll be alive a while longer, but likely increasingly out of sight, as it should be at her age.

R250 Like all the other awards shows that ignored the Go Woke Go Broke handwriting on the wall, the BAFTAS are losing what credibility they once had as a Big Deal. The pompous self-congratulatory but highly politicised atmosphere is unbearable. These shows are a little like the Queen herself: virtually crumbling before our eyes.

R251- Your father isn't Britain's Head of State, and well done to him that he's doing that well at 101. But the Queen is just rising 96, and it is clear that without a wheel chair, she's no longer mobile at all, and she's clearly reluctant to show up in a wheelchair and have to endure the sighs and pity and all that.

If she can't make it to her husbaan's memorial ceremony, to the Remembrance Day services, to the Trooping the Colour, to her Platinum Jubilee events . . .

Then it's time to appoint Charles Regent or abdicate for a cause everyone on the planet will accept and not constitute breaking her oath.

An invisible Queen is not going to do the monarchy any favours.

They're not showing the BAFTAS over here. We get the deadly dull Critics' Choice awards though.

You people confidently predicting her death are in the worst possible taste. You don't know it, can't know it and it's an ugly, smug thing to say.

She's 95. Her mobility is challenged. She's got back and knee history. That doesn't put you in a casket. But as observed she's got the best care in the world. She could die this year based on the numbers but it's not certain by any stretch and stating it as fact is ghoulish.

Her mother attended Princess Margaret's funeral weeks before she died at 101 - though in a wheelchair. She was on her own two feet for much of her hundredth birthday celebrations.

Put you obnoxious measuring tapes away. You no more know when the Queen needs a coffin than when Putin falls.

here here r255!

R255 they’re a bunch of royal ceremonial ghouls, gagging for a big production at Westminster Abbey.

First and foremost it will be the Queen that will have to agree to a regency, which she will when she believes its the right time.

Secondly, you don't really think that her aging is coming as a surprise to her advisors do you? Of course all the planning is done and likely has been for years, if not decades. And I'm not talking about 'London Bridge' plans to which so many of you seem to think you have the 'onside scoop', lol. Everything is a moving target at her age, and likely every eventuality has been considered and blueprinted subject to last minute amendments.

It'll surely be St. Paul's Cathedral. Seats more. Churchill's state funeral was there.

Harry doesn’t flush.

The reality is virtually all of the people duties of the monarchy (and by extension the royal family) are actually "extra duties." Of course it is those public events that keep the monarchy relevant and in connection with the British people, but the monarch doesn't have to perform them. The Queen's major responsibilities are to basically rubber stamp legislation, government appointments, and appoint a prime minister. The Queen can do all that even if she's no longer able to walk. The rest of the public duties can be delegated to Charles and others.

that should be public duties not people duties. Oh dear!

R258 that's not happening. The Queen will not step down.

There's no point in acting like she's some godlike immortal, R255. Just like her husband in the year before his death, the Queen is visibly failing. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend she'll be here forever, but I'll be shocked if she's here at Christmas.

Or, we're rational, intelligent people who have seen our own loved ones start to slow down, gradually at first, then with more frequency, until they're ready to wrap it up.

What's ridiculous is prattling on and on about "her mother lived to be 101 so she will, too!" like she that's a biological fact that we always live as long as our parents.

Or, living in a fantasy world and not facing the reality that she's a old lady who's lived a long life, endured a lot of crap by living in the world's biggest fish bowel, and who seems to be "winding down" after a tough year that's included the death of her husband, the stress of a disgraced son and a disgraceful grandson, and dealing with a Britain that is flailing under disastrous leadership.

It'll be very sad when she goes. She's the only Queen a large percentage of the world has ever known. It's going to be very surreal when she's gone. And, while I think the monarchy is a bit foolish and very much outdated, I'll miss the ole girl.

Very nicely said, r265.

He won’t go to his grandmother’s, either, my money says.

Well, then we have a draw. Our modern day Nostradamuses, who know when she'll die based on their own relations and insist upon it and those who argue predictions of her imminent death are greatly exaggerated, particularly when you consider the situation in relation to her actual relations.

I'd rather be ridiculous than ghoulish and if we're betting, I hope you'll enjoy eating crow at Christmas, R264, instead of turkey or ham.

To clarify it is, not surprisingly, petty and wrong to accuse me (can't speak for anybody else) living in a fantasy world or denying reality. She is aging and logically and physiologically, lots of things are getting harder for her because she's aging and approaching the end of her life. The pompous certainty of posters like like R265 and R264 gets up my nose. (Let's take the widow example... she is hardly the forlorn partner, left alone and in daily isolation, with no contact, no purpose, no interests or activity. For every widow who died four days after her husband, there are probably twenty who lived as many years after, but exceptions and rules.)

You two post as if you've been reading death's daytimer for the next year. You missed my original point. I wasn't complaining about your posts, just your arrogance.

What about Haz' sheer orange butcher's hat and neon outfit? With Dollar Store orange sunglasses. The image captures his regard for his wittiness and charm, I think.

Okay, R269. Elizabeth, your fantasy grandma, will be here forever and we'll be eating crow this Christmas and many more. Happy?

Prince Harry is such a dumbass. Dressing up in that orange Lucky Charms outfit was really symbolic of what an idiotic attention whore he is.

Harry doesn't quite understand. He's not "The Spare" anymore. He is, in fact, quite superfluous and even useless. Nobody back home cares.

[quote]Harry doesn't quite understand. [/quote]

The inscription on his tombstone.

R267 Actually I think he and Meghan will go to the Queen's funeral. Why? It will be one of the biggest events in our lifetimes. Virtually every head of state in the free world will be there, former US presidents are likely to be there, it will be watched around the world. It will be a "hot ticket item" and getting an invite cements their status as VIP. Not going to Philip's service however, is a slap in the Queen's face no matter how Harry's PR tries to spin it. It's effectively a temper tantrum (well everything they have done this past year has been a temper tantrum) and by going to the Netherlands, Harry is making it clear his refusal to go to the UK has nothing to do with security.

R271, happy enough but because I pushed you to that.

I know, I know... it's hard being wrong. I'm surprised you're not used to it.

Considering gun control laws in the Netherlands are just as strict as in the UK and Harry's bodyguards won't be able to tote AR15s there either, he's totally full of shit.

Kisses, R276. When your fantasy grandma is being laid out at her state funeral this year, I hope you have the mental health support you clearly need.

LOL... bless your heart, R278 but we know you don't mean that. But tell me, paying member or do you need some support? I'd be happy to start a thread to occupy, speculating in stubborn ignorance about the death of other people. You're a regular Sylvia Browne. As for me, I've had enough time provoking your little mind, so signing off. Unless you can't afford that thread, then happy to help.

Daily Mail has now dug up the fact the house in Vancouver which was loaned to the Remarklables was no doubt owned by a Russian oligarch. And they bought the house in Montecito from a Russian oligarch. Looks like their ties to Putin run deep.

R280 This isn't new information, it's been talked about since 2020 but has new relevance now...hope it bites them in the ass.

R280 Maybe more people are willing to think about it now, but we did know this back then. There’s also the fact that the previous owner of their Olive Garden mansion was owned by another shady Russian.

Weird shit.

Olive Garden mansion... 🤣.

[quote] This isn't new information, it's been talked about since 2020 but has new relevance now...hope it bites them in the ass.

Maybe it has come back in to the conversation in light of Canada sanctioning certain Russian oligarchs. Maybe the house is owned by one of the sanctioned oligarchs.

R277 He may get the police protection he wants from the Dutch government because of Invictus - visiting guest hosting an international event, that kind of thing.

The refusal to attend Philip's memorial service is more than a slap, it's two fingers up to his family but also admitting he knows they could care less if he's there or not. They also don't care if he and the trash wife are at the funeral. In fact, given the prestige of the funeral, they may brutally tell the Sussexes to go back to that cemetery in L.A. or Santa Barbara dressed in black; no one will want the Sussexes trying to put the boot into the Queen even in her coffin by dragging the attention to themselves.

No one, except maybe his idiot father and Euge, wants him back.

And ffs, could there be a greater or less flattering contrast for Harry than the Orange Boy video and his brother's 90-minute one to the BAFTAS.

No matter what the Sussexes do, they come out of it second-drawer

It's a slot Harry was born for.

R284, as well it should be brought to everyone’s attention.

The Queen won't live much longer so who cares whether Harry is at Nazi Philip's funeral?

Nazi Philip fought in WWII unlike you R287.

R269 Yet it's ok for you to be arrogant in your insistence that you know more about the Queen and how she's coping with old age and life and widowhood than anyone else...

OK.

The Queen recently tested positive for COVID. I highly doubt she has stopped walking around permanently, but she may be recovering slowly. She is continuing to receive people and hold meetings that can be done in the palace. It makes sense that Charles gradually takes on more of the active duties involving travel to public spaces. But she will attend Prince Phillip's memorial service, come hell or high water, and I doubt she will be sitting in a wheelchair for the ceremony.

As a former fan of Meghan's I cannot fault her for keeping on PR staff through the wedding. Anything might happen and if things fell apart, she did not want to be left with nothing. To those who call her D list, she was a performer for several years on a popular cable show, which would have made her at least C list if not higher. And to those who claim she was well versed on the royal family, perhaps, but she was not well-versed on royal culture or even the personalities involved. She was not clever enough, intellectually or socially/emotionally, to assess how things worked before arriving at a plan. She was not aware of how regimented life in a palace is or how hard the public and media is on those who desire a place in the royal family. Researching Kate's and Camilla's issues in doing the same could have informed her of what she was likely to experience. Further, she was going into a foreign culture and she, who aspired to be a foreign service official before failing the exam, could not bother to either watch and learn or inquire before acting so as not to appear rude. Then, when she completely overreacted to the situation, likely because of stress, by misbehaving with lower rank staff and lying when the truth could easily be confirmed from public sources, thinking she could just get away with it, she made things worse. What I cannot figure out is how much she lies to Harry and how much he is aware of her lies.

Not that I think Harry is a prize either. He had physical skills and I think if he were living several decades earlier, from the 20's through the 60's, he probably would have spent a lot of time hunting in Africa or sporting in other places. His social/cultural skills are worse than hers are and he does not have much sense of responsibility either. William, who was a bit immature and selfish himself, lucked out with a wife like Kate, who helped him grow into a better person. Harry fared worse as the spare and his father did not really understand the significance of the problem. The telling thing for me was when Prince Phillip turned over a veteran's charity that had been his favorite to Harry and Harry blew off the responsibility. Rather than taking the honor seriously, he did not appear at events or even visit the veterans. This is the kind of mess that never should have been allowed to happen but it caused a lot of embarrassment and headache. Someone should have been monitoring the transition and working with him on it. Harry is not above lying himself as he did during the Oprah interview. But he's never had another real home except with his brother and, as a royal family member.

Meghan has grown up in SoCal and is very comfortable with the scheming and manipulation, even if she is not very good at it. Harry must be completely adrift, cut off from sensible advice from his brother, SIL and his father and Camilla. He's all-of-a-sudden got a family of his own to support and lack of financial security that he never had as part of the RF. He's not used to making his own decisions and must be completely freaking out. He cannot see that this book, if told the way Meghan wants it to be told, will just make his life even worse. I have to believe that, ultimately, she will leave him, hoping for a giant financial settlement in exchange for seeing his children. I think, for him, being as immature as he is, the death of his grandmother without seeing her again, will cause him to deteriorate further.

All of a sudden, H has to pay the electric and water bill.

I doubt he had any idea there were even such things that had to be paid.

I don't think Harry cares that much about any of his blood relatives. He appears to worship Diana, but it's easy to do that when someone died decades ago and you only have hazy childhood memories of her. If she were alive, they'd probably be on the outs, too. He's dim, petulant, and narcissistic, just like she was.

If Di had survived, I think both her sons would have found her hating their spouses. She was very possessive. I think Kate might have survived because she would have been submissive to Diana. Diana would have spotted golddigger Markle a mile off. No way would Harry have married her. Di would probably have pushed him and Chelsy to get married and retire to Africa.

Guided by Mama Carole, Kate would have known how to navigate Diana.

R289. I'm relying on logic. Insistence is I heard lots of old people in my family died within an hour of their spouse so that means the Queen's dead by Christmas.

Philip's memorial is likely the last chance Elizabeth will have to meet the great-grandaughter who was named after her. Sad.

What a heartless duo the Monteshitshow con artists are.

Half of Elizabeth’s female descendants are named after her in some way. She’ll be fine.

In fairness, what's she gonna say? Thanks for everything this past year?

I'll say it again; I highly doubt TQ is distraught about never meeting Lilibet. The Harkles are trying to undermine her life's work, and by extension those two great grandchildren are just part of the whole distasteful affair. As well, she's probably quite aware of harry and Meghan's personality deficiencies, and would be well advised to distance herself from them, because those kids stand a greater chance of being just another couple of fucked-up Hollywood kids than anything the BRF would want to call 'close family'. Those kids will be tattoo'd-purple-haired-do-nothing trainwrecks, likely hooked up with the latest rock singer du jour, and she doesn't want them anywhere near her for future historians to have to take in to account.

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R300, I agree.

I agree as well. Her feelings about the whole mess are probably mostly about her grandson, whether it's sadness, disappointment, frustration or anger.

Rebel was good. She should be doing the Oscars.

They'll be D listers r300 just like their parents.

Good points about Elizabeth not being distraught about never meeting Lilibet or Lily or whatever they plan on calling her.

But I bet Meghan would love to have a photograph of her daughter on great-grandmama's lap.

But then narcissists don't give any more of a shit about the kids than anybody else - often less, if they don't reflect well on mamma, and if baby had, say, coarse curly dark hair like mama does before she straightens it, well, uh, never mind that little annoyance. Let's just hide her in a tower or something. Or an L.A. macmansion till we can get her sorted.

R304 Not if the BAFTA show's ratings are anything to go by.

The show came in below Dancing on Ice.

The reviews were in the toilet.

Go Woke Go Broke.

Kate had a bird's eye view of the life because she dated William for 8 years. His family met her many times. She had a good idea what William's life was going to be like. And instead of "hitting the ground running", she took it slow, especially as she knew that within a year or two she'd have to start breeding. She was English, and they'd started out in their university days.

Waity Lazy Katie ignored the nasty press, because clever Kate's eye was always on the longer game. Better to take it at pace and not cock it up, than rush out there and make it clear you hadn't a clue even how to dress the part.

And that said, within a couple of months of the wedding, the Cambridges were sent off on a 6-week tour of Canada, ending in L.A.

The tour was a huge success. The RF did the smart thing and Kate's baptism of fire was a sympathetic core Commonwealth country. The Danish royal family did the same thing. Mary's first big exposure six months after her wedding was a lengthy tour of . . . Australia, her home country (it should be noted that Danes and Australians have especially friendly relations). Queen Margrethe said as the tour wound up (and Mary was already pregnant by then), "Mary is doing a great job. I am a proud mother-in-law."

Harry married someone he'd only had a distance relationship with, jotted with a few brief periods of living together for a couple of weeks at a time

She matured along lines totally inimical to a successful transition to the discretion, self-discipline, and public dignity that separate the women from the girls in this game.

Both women were after a big prize. The difference was, Katecalso wanted William, whom she had actually loved for years. Kate wanted William, she wanted to be royal.

The only thing Meghan wanted was global celebrity and adulation. Harry could have been King Kong for all she cared.

She was antagonising everyone around her before the wedding day arrived, from the Queen's dresser to the future Queen.

To fuck It up that badly that soon is a mark of someone who is both pathologically insecure with a huge compensatory aspect of narcissism.

Bottom line: Kate takes her position seriously, but not herself.

Meghan takes nothing but herself seriously.

The jury took time to give its respunding verdict on Kate. It took years. And Meghan, of course, helped Kate along by virtue of contrast.

Kate earned her place in the top 3 most popular royal ranks.

You don't get there in this game with your imperious Do You Know Who I Am model.

And that's Meghan's downfall: whatcshecwants is for the world to KNOW WHO MEGHAN IS!

The irony is, everyone knows who Kate is: Kate doesn't have to raise her voice to make it clear.

I wonder if, even now, Meghan has figured it out

[quote]The jury took time to give its respunding verdict on Kate. It took years.

I agree with that. She's a quiet one, a dark horse, but suddenly, due in part to the chaos of the Sussexes, people looked at her and recognized that's what you want... quiet, modest, without flash. Whatever her personal motivations were, she's keeping up her part of the bargain.

It's pretty clear to me that H&M were kicked out of the BRF and told never to return. They were given a Christmas break in Canada and came back to convince TQ to let them stay in, but when that got them nowhere they tried to get ahead of it by releasing their Megxit plan on the gram. TQ promised them she'd reconsider in a year and they tried to prove they could be good royals in LA with the food drive and cemetary photoshoot, but then TQ said they were still out so they lashed out on Oprah. But then Meghan had another baby and they tried one more time, naming her after her grandmother, going to New York to prove how useful they could be, and TQ gave them her final smackdown, knowing H&M are their own worst enemies, and now they've made excuses that they aren't there because of security, not realizing how flimsy and bad that excuse is, especially when Harry is going to Invictus and appears to be skipping the memorial. The BRF won this, because the Sussexes will never admit they were kicked out, and so they just look like fame-hungry LA whores.

Celia Walden is Mrs. Piers Morgan, so I take her with a Rock of Gibraltar of salt but this bit seemed believable:

"This time last year it was impossible to question a word the Duchess of Sussex said in her prime time whingeathon, let alone call her a drama queen and a fantasist, as Wilson did. And the reaction from the crowd and an industry intent on virtue signalling at every given opportunity makes Sunday night quite a milestone.

Add to this the general reaction I get from people encountered out and about in LA (I have yet to meet one person who will fight her corner there, and that’s in her hometown), and you have to wonder whether the Oprah interview will turn out to be the Duchess of Sussex’s biggest mistake of all.

One LA actress friend summed up the nature of it perfectly. “A-listers in Hollywood actually have a pretty lofty Royal view of how to behave,” she told me at the time. “That means no tell-alls and no airing of dirty laundry in public. Basically, the whole ‘never complain, never explain’ thing. So as soon as Meghan did that interview she excluded herself from the one group she desperately wanted to be a part of.” And inadvertently became one of the Kardashians instead."

From day one I thought she was a z list nobody grifter. However the bat shot crazy was a fun addition!

R310 I'll buy they knew after Oprah they'd never be allowed back on except for funerals and private family visits, but not that they were told to leave.

I think they made it clear they weren't going to stay the course, and the BRF made half-hearted efforts to persuade them to think about it longer.

Eventually, it probably became clear that the Sussexes would only stay under their own "terms", which weren't feasible. In that case, the family probably realised that in the short term it would be bumpy, but in the longer term, especially after Oprah, Dax, their indiscretions, their egging on low-life attack dogs like Omid Scobie, that, really, it was good riddance to bad rubbish.

They've kept up a facade of holding onto threads of connection, but the smell of burning bridges is everywhere.

If that door had been left open, the Sussexes would have mended their ways a bit to encourage rapprochement.

Instead, they doubled down on their viciousness and whingeing.

I think all this shit about the Sussexes returning after the Queen dies is just that.

The Sussex tactic now is to pile enough self-righteous excuses to make it look like it's their call nevet to return, like Harry's police protection stunt.

He's been "negotiating" privately with the government on that since they left. He got NO for an answer and then sued the government, now knowing full well that if he wins, public opinion will make Putin's poll ratings look good, so it would be a pyrrhic victory. If he loses, which is more likely, he and Meghan can pretend they've been asked but refused.

It's the Cambridges who matter now.

Nothing that remotely impedes their climb will be let in, and any return by the Sussexes would be a danger to the Cambridges and this to the monarchy's future.

They left of their own accord, miscalculating on every outcome from the exit.

They're out and they'll stay out.

And Markle won’t show up either. She’s a coward. She sassed about Trump ahead of his state visit and she made up excuses about nursing her baby in order to avoid him. Trump let her have it but you know Trump would act nice if Markle made an appearance.. No member of the BRF let’s anything get in the way of their “duty,”

Marry in haste, repent at leisure.

Dumb Harry. Dumb dumb dumb.

In his case, in leisure. It would appear to be the only thing he's able to do.

If Meghan returns, it will only be for the Queen's funeral. The children won't be with her and she'll leave within 48 hours. However, I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even go to the funeral. All that would do is show the world how very out she and Harry are when it comes to the BRF. Same reason they won't go to the Jubilee: no balcony appearances, no photo-ops with Lilibet and Grandma, etc.

Also, if Harry and Meghan had the sense God gave a goat, they'd have named their daughter Philippa Elizabeth Charlotte.

I suppose they'd gamble no one would boo her at the Queen's funeral. If she actually wanted to earn some points, she'd very promptly say she's staying home out of respect and then stay silent and indoors until it was over and her Harry pigeon was flying home again. Hardly anyone would want her there, family or nation. A thousand years ago Wallis Windsor just stayed the hell home and didn't say anything, but she didn't have an Instagram.

Pippa Sussex would have been a very cute name.

And quite successful, in comparison.

But Pippa wisely chose another path, avoiding comparisons with her sister and with much more freedom. And that's to say she'd want him or him her. Though with that ass and his desperation to marry I'm surprised he didn't propose that day.

Oh, I was thinking of if the Sussex daughter was named Philippa and called Pippa.

But yes, Pippa Middleton would have been a better wife for Harry than Meghan. I mean, not like it's much of a horse race, as almost anyone would have been a better choice. But Pippa M. made the right decision marrying her besotted billionaire.

R318, no one would boo her in the presence of the Queen (or her corpse) or during a ceremony, but everywhere else I think the public might. Or they could simply turn their backs when their car came through a procession.

Smegs wishes she had married a billionaire. Somehow I doubt they would give her the time of day.

Pippa is the winner. She's the beloved sister of a future queen consort, and she married a man who is rich as fuck but no royal duties

r324 and the aunt and great aunt of future monarchs.

R324 - Oh, yeah. Pipps did fabulously. James Matthews was allegedly totally besotted with her for years, and only after she'd failed to make a higher level aristo catch, like George Percy, and was over 30, did she finally give in. He just waited for her. They have a gorgeous townhouse in London that cost millions to renovate, and I don't doubt a nice country retreat somewhere in the Gloucestershire or Buckinghamshire. They have two children now, a boy and a girl.

And whilst hardly George Percy, heir to the Northumberland ducal title, Matthews is heir to an old, mostly symbolic, but nonetheless real Scottish feudal title of Laird of Glen Affric. So he isn't even tainted with the "new money" smell of the Middletons.

Wealth, class, privilege . . . and all luxuriously private.

Way to go, Pippa.

The Sussexes can make fools of themselves over just about anything. How anyone could cock up naming a newborn daughter is stupefying.

They go on about racism, then leave off any black family names for both children, and name the little girl after two women famous for their alabaster complexions and blue eyes. And not with the stately Elizabeth, but with the oh so twee, toothache-inducing Lilibet. Without asking the Queen if she'd mind if they named their daughter after her private, intimate, family nickname.

Did they really think that after Oprah and Finding Freedom in which they threw one of her closest confidantes under the bus, that the Queen would soften if the named the baby she would likely never meet for her?!

They should have stopped the pretensions of being close to the Queen, which Meghan isn't and never was, and gone with Lily Diana Doria. Lily is an on-trend name these days.

If you can fuck that up so badly, what can't you fuck up?!

Just to be clear, Matthew's father's hold on the Affric title is recent. But it is an old title, and his father IS new money.

R326

Matthews' mother's name is Jane; Kate's middle name is Elizabeth. Pippa named her daughter Grace Elizabeth Jane.

Charlotte is Pippa's middle name: hence, the Cambridge's only daughter's names reflect her mother, her aunt, AND her illustrious great-grandmother: Charlotte Elizabeth Diana.

Why the fuck couldn't Meghan and Harry figure something similar out but without the silly grandstanding?!

Harry not showing up for the memorial service while managing to go to the Netherlands for his little event has nothing to do with security (NL gun laws are just as strict as the UK's and his need for bodyguards with firearms would be refused in both places. Ya know, "gun control laws".) and everything to do with the fact the Royal family told him he could not attend the service with his Netflix cameramen and sound guys and he can the event in the Netherlands.

Harry's a little fucker. But Netflix must be breathing down his neck.

[quote]Smegs wishes she had married a billionaire. Somehow I doubt they would give her the time of day.

I understand the Russian billionaires are presently much less picky than at any other time in the past fifteen years.

[quote]Pippa Middleton would have been a better wife for Harry than Meghan.

You're have to be joking; that little weasel Harry Windsor? Why on earth would I marry down?!!!!

Those Russian billionaires are now millionaires. They've lost all their appeal to La Markle.

I don't know, trapped in the house with Dim for how many years now? The bum on the street corner might look good in the right light.

Does harry have any friends in LA? Like real friends? Apart from plastic people like Elton and Adele that have to be 'noice' to him since their British too, I mean.

R326 and R328 as the saying goes - better nouveau than no riche at all.

Haz is so lame, I doubt he has "friends" and instead more like business guys who want to take him for his money and fame. He's that embarrassing acquaintance who relies on unfunny jokes and stunts as a way to bond, with an awkward insecure wife who is always dragging him away. It's a sick scene.

R327: They’ll show us, sooner rather than later I imagine.

[quote]A-listers in Hollywood actually have a pretty lofty Royal view of how to behave,” she told me at the time. “That means no tell-alls and no airing of dirty laundry in public. Basically, the whole ‘never complain, never explain’ thing. So as soon as Meghan did that interview she excluded herself from the one group she desperately wanted to be a part of.”

It's not just the A listers, but anyone who wants to make it in the industry. Her Suits costars had nothing bad to say about her. They want to keep working and known for discretion. Even the biggest on-set assholes like Lauren Graham (per the background talent thread) don't trash others to the press. The A list waits until their careers are winding down before writing an autobiography.

He's so in love and so besotted with Meg, ya'll. He doesn't need family or friends. He doesn't need to go out or do anything with anyone other than his beloved wife. (barf)

R338, that is true. I always wondered why her costars didn’t drop gossip that she’s a cunt. There is NO WAY that someone like her can maintain the facade for seven years. I can buy that they can be sweet and flattering to the Boss, but underlings and equals are bound to be abused sooner or later. People like her cannot help themselves.

R360 who were her co-stars? Nobodies. Their only hope is that she has some pull somewhere and can help them.

Her co-stars are still workaday actors. No point trashing their newly world-famous, mixed-race colleague, even if she was the highest of high-riding bitches on set. That wouldn't do a fucking thing for their careers and would possibly get them tagged as racists on social media.

Doubtful r342. Meghan's infamous, not famous. Fame is earned. Nobody cares about Harry or Meghan.

So? Why invite negative publicity unnecessarily? It's the reason the rest of us don't usually call out our shitty coworkers by name on social media. There's no upside to it.

Pippa got to know Harry well after her sister married his brother. I think they might even have gone out together a few times.

She was NOT interested.

R306, let's not forget the fuckery fun fest The Cabbage Patch mother queefed when Desmond Tutu died. All about how he held Archie. "Arch with the Arch." IT NEVER HAPPENED. Whoring and merching out one of her Cabbage Patch Children for attention=no moral compass=malignant narcissist.

[quote]Their only hope is that she has some pull somewhere and can help them.

Please explain yourself, r341. What cachet does Meghan Markle have in Hollywood to pull former co-stars anywhere? Especially when a Disney Executive dissed her so bad, her poorly coiffed ratty-extensioned head likely spun for days.

[Quote]“Meghan needs Disney more than Disney needs Meghan. She’s a controversial figure,” a Senior Disney Executive

Her co-workers, the "talent," knew her well enough to step away from her and her eternal, self-created fits with their faux sentiments and air kisses. Just like the charitable foundation pro they snagged from the Gates Foundation who lasted less than a year at Archewell.

However, please be assured that all the gossip and informal communication lines in the entertainment and charitable industries are burning up with stories. That's how professions work, not the glossy surface PR platitudes and cunt-lapping the Sussexes so badly crave and think will eventually turn into a cash windfall. Their simply not important, productive, or profitable enough to tolerate in a profit-driven industry. The British Royal family were obligated to deal with their shitty behavior, because... family, you know.

The rest of the capitalistic world isn't obligated to put up with the Sussex's infantile shenanigans. Well, it appears the Windsor-Mountbattens learned, eventually.

“Sussexes’”, R347.

I hope my thumbsy will be excused!

[QUOTE] They go on about racism, then leave off any black family names for both children, and name the little girl after two women famous for their alabaster complexions and blue eyes.

Fuck off, repugnant Klan Granny. Lilibet might have her father's blue eyes for all you know. Shame the three Cambridge kids ended up with muddy brown eyes like Kate's father.

[QUOTE] Their simply not important, productive, or profitable enough to tolerate in a profit-driven industry.

Oh, dear. You mean 'they're' not 'their' and 'thrive' not 'tolerate', numbskull.

Did you not see my gracious apology about my thumbsiness, r351? I was, indeed, well aware of the clumsy typing and autocorrect errors.

Do you have no social graces or social skills and the same abject lack of self-awareness as your heroine? The honey vs. vinegar hypothesis/theme totally escapes you and the rabidly, willfully ignorant who populate your head.

When an outsider numbskull who grabs onto a popular DL theme and totally fails to understand its appropriate use and nuance, we laugh. Like when 50 something year old conservative fraus or uneducated teenagers suddenly think it's cool to go on gay website and call gays cunts and faggots.

Cheers! You have quite a life ahead of you, NUMBSKULL!

It's actually not a bad point about whose names got left out. Doria, for example, is a rather pretty name and, uniquely, is attached to a relation who still gets calls returned.

^ I think...

R338 Exactly. A-listers wait till retirement or declining careers for the tell-all best seller autobiography.

Ironically, what the Harkles did with Oprah and Harry is doing with his "memoir" is pretty much announce to the world that the left their only real claim to A List status behind, and were struggling to claw their back up.

I wonder if even after that first year, they knew it wasn't going the way they thought it would, and the Oprah interview was a desperate throw to see if they could gin up the engine.

People who want to be taken seriously in a paranoid business don't throw a hissy fit on Oprah trashing immensely popular and respected people, let alone a Head of State. Especially when it evolves that half of what they said was either lies or out of context innuendo.

They came off as bitter, whingeing teenagers whose parents wouldn't let them have a new Ferrari as a 16th birthday present.

The interview's look was bad, its timing was catastrophically bad, and, as so many predicted, it turned out to be a huge mistake. It ended up costing them the BRF, just the way Diana's Panorama interview cost her her marriage and got her the boot out of the family.

I think they really thought they could lose the BRF and still rule the world; or, that the BRF would grovel and beg them to come back.

Instead, they turned the Cambridges nto the True Golden Royals, sympathy for Charles rose.

And, no matter what the Harkles do, no photo op, anywhere, will ever match up in star power to appearing on that balcony with the Queen, Charles, and the future King William and Queen Catherine.

The Harkles: the poster illustration of the old adage about cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Is Meghan's troll farm on twitter, the Sussex Squad, a recycled version of Kamala Harris' dreaded KHive which succeeded in destroying her campaign? They're similar, promoting Their Heroine like she's God's gift and spending their time trying to destroy her rivals - for Meghan, the Cambridges, for Kamala, every other Democratic candidate in 2019. They've learned nothing.

^^makes no sense.

Well, the wife is running that show and although I believe she was given advisors to assist her in entering the RF, she does not appear to have been interested or to have cared.

Perhaps she was playing by Hollywood rules (like pushing her way through the chairs in Westminster Abbey to get ahead of someone else). Her dim husband would have understood and could have grabbed her arm to prevent her making such a fool of herself, but then maybe he didn't want to risk her displeasure.

She just doesn't get it. Stunningly so.

I've been watching this pair since the engagement interview during which my bullshit detector was giving it's highest level detection signal. But I couldn't have known how completely inept their strategy (if they actually had one) would work out to be.

It's the 2 children who have my deep sympathy. What a nightmare set of parents.

I feel sorry for him in a way because you realize now how messed up he is and what that makes him vulnerable to.

I don't feel sorry for Harry. If all the rumors are true, he's a spoiled creep who likes beating up prostitutes. A nasty piece of work who benefitted from having a world-class PR machine behind him for years. Now that he's lost the Palace PR, we can see him for what he really is.

Jolly Blokey Harry was always a fiction.

I'm no fan but I will say this. If we know that rumour, the media knows that rumour and if that rumour was true, it would have been proven by now. It's too lucrative. It's like that ridiculous lie about Markle being a yacht girl or faking pregnancy. It's internet rubbish. And I have nothing good to say about Harry's first wife. I'd believe her fans on here were yacht girls except they're so common who'd pay for them?

Even now, the BRF is invested in keeping Harry's past peccadilloes under wraps. It would be disastrous if it came out that he abused sex workers and the BRF covered it up. I'm not saying the rumor is true, but if it were, there's plenty of reason to keep the charade going. What the BRF won't do is hide Harry's current shenanigans.

Personally, I think Meghan was more of a sugar baby than a yacht girl. She may have accompanied a gentleman on a vacation with all expenses paid, as part of an entourage, as a decorative item. Sexual things may or may not have occurred. She may have received a bauble or handbag as a souvenir. Money didn’t exchange hands. These sort of quid pro quo things happen all the time, and we all know it. It’s like the casting couch or fucking for tracks.

There’s a bit of a gray area and no concrete proof.

Lots of people try to cover up lots of things. Lots of people with lots of money find ways to uncover them. They weren't powerful enough to avoid the blindside of Diana: Her True Story. They weren't powerful enough to prevent an inquest into Diana's death. They weren't even powerful enough to wipe unflattering pictures (William pissing, Kate's thong) from the internet. Believe it if you like, but logic and reason tell me it if was true it would be out by now. That bit of ugliness isn't new news.

There's a difference between the Diana situation and the beating prosties situation. Of course there was going to be an inquiry into the world-famous Diana's death. Even now, the abuse and even murder of sex workers are often ignored. Remember there is also a military angle, as the army was complicit in the cover-up. I can definitely see the story getting buried.

If it happened. It seems very important to you to keep the door open.

Just like it's important to you to keep it shut, huh? Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Logic matters a lot to me, yes, R367.

^Blocking the pedantic cunt above. Bye, toots.

^ LOL. I'm crushed.

R347 & R349 & R352, they're flap snot and dribble piss. Don't back down. You'll notice once they're put in their place they shut the fuck up because they're on the line to Sunshine Sachs asking what to do next.

Are they going to Elton John’s party?

Good question, r372. They flew in to his villa in the south of France a couple of times on his private jet. If there's anyone they should expect an invitation from, it's Elton.

Unless Sunshine Sachs can get the Harkles an invite to the Oscars to present AT LEAST Best Movie, I doubt if they'll go to Elton's. They would look snubbed.

Back to the topic of the thread, Harry can't attend Philip's memorial service, nor will he attend any of the Platinum Jubilee events as long as his case against the government is pending regarding his security arrangements. At the least suggestion that he's not as concerned as ALL THAT about his safety in Britain without personal active armed police protection (which would now have to be paid for by the UK taxpayer, as Harry now knows the police are not for hire or rental by private individuals), he could jeopardise his case.

Of course, it is obvious that at any such event, he would be in a group that includes people who DO get that 24/7 armed police protection, so his risk is no more nor less than theirs.

I'm not sure whether he intended all along to use this is an excuse not to have to face his family and the public that dislikes him, because he began negotiating on this almost as soon as he and Nutmeg left. I'm really surprised that it took this long for that to leak out, too.

But after Oprah and the proverbial really hitting the fan, and the cold shoulders he faced at Philip's funeral, it probably became clear to him that he needed an OUT, and this solution was perfect. Either he got the status upgrade his envious little soul is craving, or he gets cold water poured over his envious little soul.

And then he has a perfect out. It really isn't feasible that his wife wants to set in Britain again, unless its under terms that aren't at all feasible, i.e., the loving enfolding of her in the BRF's arms, complete with grovelling apologies, and appearances on the balcony with Archie and Lilibet. And even then, I'm not sure the BRF would risk hearing boos from the crown for what is likely to be the Queen's last appearance at the Trooping, etc.

So, Harry either goes it alone, or makes private unannounced visits, or never comes home at all.

Frankly, I don't think Harry has much feeling at bottom for any of them. He resents his brother, he resents Camilla taking Diana's place, and Gran by now is as distant and fading as a cooling sun in another galaxy.

I wonder when the next High Court hearing is on his case. If he loses, will he appeal? If he does, will the Court of Appeal agree to hear it, or tell him to fuck off?

[quote]But after Oprah and the proverbial really hitting the fan, and the cold shoulders he faced at Philip's funeral, it probably became clear to him that he needed an OUT, and this solution was perfect.

I believe this is the he case, too. I think his demeanor at the Diana statue unveiling was telling. It was supposed to be a somber event, but Harry was chatty and a little jovial. Some posters here and Daily Mail commenters speculated he'd been tippling. Was he nervous enough to morning drink in order to cope?

No. He was following the idiotic Markle act. "Act like you're bursting with happiness to show them all!"

Harry wore shoes with lifts so he'd be as tall as William at the Diana statue unveiling. If that isn't pathetic, I don't know what is.

R378, that sounded so preposterous I actually googled photos. I was right, that’s preposterous. But that Diana statue is beaucoup ugly.

Harry's 2 in shorter than William but was strangely the same height at the Diana thing. Wearing Tom Cruise's shoes.

R380 pics or it’s not true.

Allow me to Google that for you, R381

[quote]Fuck off, repugnant Klan Granny

If that’s the best you’ve got R350, you’re as pitiful as the two clods you worship.

Why are you so obsessed with the eye colour of children who you will never know, R350?

Actually, let’s simplify things: why are you so obsessed, R350?

In most people it would seem pitiful but I think that you’ve moved beyond that.

I don't know why, but the lifts in H's shoes almost makes me feel sawwy for him because it shows his paranoid insecurity.

He thinks he needs to do all this stuff because he is married to the "hottest" woman on earth.

What a fucking joke. Smeg doesn't strike me as "hot" in any way, shape, or form. During her briefcase/sexy hamburger eating days, she just looked like a budget escort.

Yes! R386! She did! Girl is fug and awkward. So very very cringe. Harry is very obviously gullible.

The bit about the lifts was comical, not least because William that day was so clearly the one wielding the BDE. Everyone noticed the air of command William showed. Kensington Palace is, after all, HIS home. Harry also looked jittery, ovrr-excited, and ill at ease.

No matter what he does, Harry comes off as a pathetic also-ran. Needing to wear lifts is much more embarrassing than being 2" shorter than a brother who is 6"3".

Everyone there knew Harry was in an unstable mental state. The high point of the hour was Diana's sister, Lady Sarah McCorquodake, rushing to get between them as Harry suddenly moved toward William after the statue was unveiled.

Harry is a mental disaster. Only his title and money ard keeping the world from knowing the full extent of his emotional and psychological damaged.

Leaving the structure and connections of the BRF was the worst thing he could have done. Matbe that's why he's so desperately trying to claw back some tix the badges of his membership with the police protection stunt.

But the best thing to happen to the BEF since the Divine Right of Kings.

Meghan Markle has been the partner of Harry's ruination.

He's lucky he's got money and his title left.

Does he have money left?

Good point R375, about Haz really not able for appearance's sake to travel to UK, in light of his lawsuit. You know how these law wheels can grind forever, beyond the Jubilee, msybe beyond the uncertainty of HM's health etc. In the meantime, we spied Priti Patel, decider of that outcome, warmly greeting William and Charles at the Commonwealth Service last week..

R389 - Well, who knows. He blew through quite a bit of the trust fund keeping his wife in the style to which she became accustomed in only 78 days' worth of work, but presumably they have the advances from Netflix and Spotify and for his memoir. Then there's his ridiculous salary at BetterUp for making a jackass of himself by suggesting people unhappy with their jobs quite (just the way I did! But without my 30 million quid trust fund!).

And Euge and Jack are footing the bill for Frogmore Cottage whilst the Sussexes hang onto it so Harry's solicitors can claim to the High Court that "Britain will always be his home!" Even if he hasn't lived there for more than two years, bought a $14 million house in California, and refuses to return to his home unless he can get the same police protection the future King is getting . . .

Ah, but home is where the heart is, eh, Harry?

^*quit (not quite)

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Harry's behavior at the unveiling of the Diana statue was bizarre. It was a solemn occasion, a family event with his aunts and uncle there and he was joking around like he was at a party. He looked so ill at ease. Maybe he was drunk. The lifts in the shoes bit was truly pathetic. But the most telling part was when Di's sister closed in on him when Harry tried to sidle up to William, probably micced up and hoping to tape something William said which would hopefully serve Harry's purposes. You can add the Spencers to all the family members Harry and Meghan have alienated.

R391. Nobody knows how much he is making from Better Up. It’s probably not tens of millions. And I’m sure the advances from Netflix and Spotify have been exaggerated.

R393 establishes a pattern that makes no sense to me. The Harkles bend over backwards to kiss the Queen's ass, but realistically, she'll be gone in 3-5 years. They have NO issue attacking his father and brother, who will, in a realistically short time, hold the purse strings.

Do they think she'll live to 130 or that Charles and William will just forgive all?

R395 after all Harry's attempts at getting them publicity, BetterUp only has 20K followers on twitter. That's pathetic. I've figured out Harry's "jobs": obscure start-ups pay him to get them publicity, claiming he has a job with them. He makes a couple of video clips for them to try to stir up business. He's a spokesmodel essentially, trying to be the Matthew McConaughey for Lincoln of a couple of desperate start-ups.

R396 I think Harry's so deluded that after the Queen's death the SussexSquad will get him and Meghan promoted King and Queen! Harry's a mental case.

The lifts are symbolic of Harry's entire problem. He's 6'1 but needs to be 6'3 to equal William, just like he was born with enormous privilege but needed to have exactly the same as his older brother, who has the future of the monarchy on his shoulders.

When Harry's meditating every day, he ought to work on feeling gratitude for all he's been given just because of an accident of birth. It might change his attitude.

[quote]Do they think she'll live to 130

At this point it's fair to wonder if math is a strong suit. They're dreadful with odds.

R393 - "Hmmm...I wonder how Scooby Doo would know what is in Harry's forthcoming "memoir"?"

A little bird with bird legs told him?

R393 - The Queen's lawyers issued a warning to Harry that they were ready to sue if he tried to do what he did on Oprah, and make assertions that amounted to defamation. So, he cleverly moved the PR to slinging mud at his father, Camilla, and his brother. Because, dontcha know, without any hot gossip, that book won't sell.

Harry knows it, Random House knows it, and Scabies knows it. They all know that attacking the Queen will get them nothing but scorn.

But they have to attack SOMETHING, because no one gives a tinker's curse who Harry is now.

And we've heard that "shake the monarchy to the core" shit about Finding Freedom, Oprah, the Dax Shepherd interview . . .

Harry is suing HMG. He's finished in the UK, his Papa will never forgive attacks on Camilla, and when the book is in remainders, William will still be heading for the throne with his oh so popular dutiful, discreet Consort.

In the end, 30 years from now, that's where everyone will be. Charles dead, Camilla dead, Harry and Meghan still bitching about their lot in life, whilst King William and Queen Catherine watch their children get married in splendid ceremonies in Westminster Abbey.

Scabies will have succumbed to infection resulting from another bout of plastic surgery to hold back the wheels of time.

"Decides to stay" BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

R403 - Because microbes walk, but money talks.

MM decides to gain weight to stave off army of admirers. The Duchess remarked that her back fat protects her from ending up like Diana. The Duke is none too happy about the decision, but agrees it is necessary to protect his family.

R396 - Because he'll get crucified for attacking his venerated 96-year-old Gran who could pop off at any time, or whose body is barely cold. It's just bad PR. He needs the book to sell. It will sell better without making people wince because of attacks on the little hunchbacked Queen. People want to enjoy the gossip, not feel guilty for reading it.

So he needs fresher material, and I would guess that contrary to all the bullshit about olive branches, invitations, and progress . . . Harry knows that his days as an important royal figure in Britain are over, so it doesn't matter much what he says about Camilla, Charles, Diana, and William. What Harry wants now is money, lots of it, so that he doesn't ever have to wonder if he should be nicer to Papa, after all. The book won't sell on Harry talking about himself and how he's evolved over the last 30 years. It will only sell if there's dirt in it.

That said, William will sue Harry's arse off this time, if Harry steps one toe into defamation or libel territory. All the royal solicitors will be examining the book with a fine-toothed comb. Charles might not sue his son, but he can bloody well cut Harry's kids out of his estate, whilst leaving large trust funds to George, Charlotte, and Louis.

The relationship with William and Kate is well into the rear-view mirror, and Harry isn't expecting anything from William ever again. He doesn't give a fuck what William thinks any longer. He only has to make sure what he says isn't liable to defamation suits.

What would fuck Harry's book up is if Charles unexpectedly popped off before Gran. Then Harry is slinging mud at a grieving widow, the world watches another but this time unlooked for funeral in shock as Gran, supported by William, comes slowly down the aisle, whilst Kate and/or Sophie and/or Edward support the shell-shocked Camilla. William comes into full power, and Harry and Meghan are the whingeing villains yet again.

I wouldn't put money on it, but, as Miss Dolittle said, "Wouldn't it be loverly."

[quote]Harry knows that his days as an important royal figure in Britain are over.

Well, the way I see it, once London Bridge drops, the direct descendants of the Monarch will be his two sons and their families.

Add Queen 'Milla and that's the pared down Firm.

Goodbye Bea, goodbye Eugenie, and Sophie of Wessex becomes the new Princess Alexandra. Anne, will not retire quietly.

What a vivid picture of what might be.

Time to take the Kents and the Gloucesters to the knackers.

R407 - Bea and Euge were never working royals. They've always been bye-bye. So, yes, it will be Charles, Camilla, William, Kate, Sophie, Edward, and Anne. Probably some patronages will get cut, too.

Harry and Meghan are such fucking fatuous fools. If they'd only stayed the course, been nice, took the long view, and Meghan learned from Kate and Sophie how to play the royal game, the Sussexes could have played a major role in the monarchy for another 20 years, until the Cambridge kids really grew up.

If only, if only - they hadn't showed their hand so early in the game. If only Harry hadn't been bent on revenge, and Meghan bent on showing the world that nobody puts Tommy's baby in a corner!

They both so got the wrong end of the telescope, no wonder their vision was so occluded.

They wouldn't be fighting for PR, for air time, for money - Charles would always have seen to it that they lived richly.

But no. They had to go to war so Harry could prove his dick was as big as William's, and Meghan could prove that she wouldn't be outshone by Kate.

They're the Putins of Europe's royals: picking a fight they couldn't win except by mutually assured destruction.

The day HM dies, Smeg will have her twitter bot farm announcing that her kids now have proper titles.

[quote]The day HM dies, Smeg will have her twitter bot farm announcing that her kids now have proper titles.

Somehow I'm guessing the titles don't have the same cache as in the Commonwealth. Does she expect them (and herself) to be treated with deference by at LAX? A curtsey from the stewardess? The kids will be mocked by their peers at every turn. America don't do Royalty.

It was reported today that the BBC paid Patrick Jephson, Diana's one time aide, 100,000 quid as damages for Martin Bashir's deceptions in getting Diana to do the interview.

I'm surprised Harry hasn't sued, claiming Bashir's lies caused Diana to dismiss her RPOs, who would never have let her get into a car with a drunk driver.

Meghan and Harry are both stupid. Meghan may be conniving, sure, but she's dumb as a box of rocks.

In the Oprah interview she complained that no one thought, "Hey, she's American, she'll need to learn the anthem." Meg dear, why didnt YOU ever think, "Hey, maybe I should learn their anthem." Just 100% brain mush in that one. She has animal instinct for survival and that's it.

And if she couldn’t learn it herself, why couldn’t her husband help her? If her in-laws were bastards for not helping her, isn’t her husband even more a bastard? My boss would get annoyed if I asked him for information that’s readily available on the internet.

Of course she was unable, as an almost 40-year-old woman, to find a therapist. And again, that was her in-laws’ responsibility and not her husband’s.

IF they haven't already been told they can't use them or they are already taken away.

I just love the way the Harkles try to cover their hard-arsed disregard for everyone but themselves by tagging on phrases like, "but hopes to visit his grandmother soon. . ."

As Harry and Meghan go on proving to the BRF how LICKY they are that the Sussexes got out of Dodge, the other residents will breathe easier. Ideas about Charles bringing them back will have gone the way of the Colt 45.

There'll be a new Sheriff in town soon, but even better, backed up by a new Deputy who can drill a dime at 50 feet who is ho iij ng to see that this town stays leaned up!

^*Who is going to see that this town stays cleaned up!

Fucking lunatic autocorrect.

Calling the Queen "his grandmother" in public messages is an attempt to drag her down to his low level, and the whole tone is imperious and vague. His family is beyond done with him.

That "grandmother" bullshit started with Meghan. It absolutely is a way to diminish TQ and not give her higher status. But then Meghan just complained to Variety because they called them ex-royal, proving she really is just a paranoid narcissist who thinks everyone is out to get her the way she's out to get them.

R420, did she really complain to Variety?

The thing she doesn’t think about is that if they keep nitpicking and suing publications, the publications are going to figure it’s not worth it to write about them.

R414, I thought that's what actresses do: learn to deliver lines they don't know. Seems to me lyrics and a script would be similar, but I could be wrong, I'm not among those put on earth to set an example.

The Oprah interview was Meghan attempting to do her own spin on the Diana Panorama interview. What she forgot is that Diana was a beloved figure with almost 15 years of royal service at that point, and everyone, even the Queen, agreed that Charles had behaved badly to her. Diana went in as a truly naive 19-year-old with the equivalent of a tenth-grade education. The college-educated, divorced, thirtysomething Meghan was never going to garner that level of sympathy, especially when she'd been with the family barely 2 years.

The Spanish and Swedish royals will be attending Prince Philip's memorial.

The Royal Palace in Brussels just confirmed to me that the Belgian King Philippe and Queen Mathilde will attend the Service of Thanksgiving for the life of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, which will take place at Westminster Abbey, London, on Tuesday 29th March.

I hope they're all safe! I gather it's quite dangerous.

The public, British and otherwise, have the three charming little Cambridges to Ooh and Aww over; the Duchess of Cambridge to look at for fashion, motherhood, and marital supportiveness; the Duke of Cambridge to pin future hopes for the Monarchy on; the Prince of Wales to assure them of the stability of the inevitable transition; and all, including Camilla, for the demonstrated meaning and performance of duty and patriotism.

Their collective memory of and love for the lost little boy of the unutterably sad "Mummy" card has been for the most part placed with the rest of their nostalgic tchotchkes.

Plus Camilla's not one to take herself too seriously.

Harry and his family are in far less peril than other members of the family who actually go out and engage with crowds. Are they delusional or what?

I'll take Yes for $500 please, whoever it is at present.

Meghan's gonna be pissed off she can't hobnob with all the crowned heads of Europe!

You think she feels bad, think about poor Nolan Miller.

So you know Meghan's podcast is going to drop during the Jubilee weekend in June lol

The more time that passes, the more ridiculous it becomes for Meghan Markle to refer to herself here in America as "the Duchess of Sussex." I know that's her title, but she couldn't have distanced herself more from anything having to do with being a duchess (including the duke's family), so why does she still use it? It's nonsensical.

R434 she'll still be using that title 30 years after Harry divorces her.

She can model herself after "Countess" Luanne and "Princess" Carole Radziwill on that Real Housewives show.

Is that still on? Are they still on it?

They'll neither be remembered or missed.

Edward has been in Africa this week for the Duke of Edinburgh Awards. Compare his video here to the other one - you know the one with MEMEME stating "no one asked me if I'm ok". Quite a difference, yes?

I'm envisioning Harry's book, the style and tone. For some reason I'm guessing he and his co-author will opt for present tense, which is kind of a trendy thing in memoirs.

"Meg and I sit frozen in the pew, unsure of what to expect. I look over at my brother. He's staring straight ahead, with that familiar expression I know from long experience to mean he is fuming. By his side is Kate, usually friendly to everyone, but on this day similarly stonefaced. More chill emanates from Edward and Sophie. Welp – so much for a warm welcome back to London! I force myself, not altogether successfully, to suppress a smirk. I exchange a knowing glance with Meg, who looks down at her program with an arched brow and small, cynical smile, hiding her hurt. She'd warned me this could happen, and as usual she's right."

R439 the guy ghostwriting Harry's "memoirs" also wrote the Agassi book. Sounds just like that. Maybe you can write the whole book and publish it on Amazon before Harry gets his out.

I read the Agassi book years ago, it was good as advertised. I guess that ghost specializes in misunderstood bad boys who get dealt too much pressure in early life.

R441 - the times are very different today than when Agassi's book came out. After the pandemic, economic hardship, a war in Europe etc...no one wants to hear a poor little rich boy whining about how hard his life is. No one cares that he could only have one polo pony when William had two.

ahem, one does not own 'one' polo pony; but rather a 'string' of polo ponies, and always more than one just string; one string for each chukka

R439, I'd call Sunshine Sachs if I were you. That's easily the best piece of HarkleSpeak I've read.

You know, all their refusing to return to the UK... did it occur to The Cabbage Patch Mother that what with her special needs spouse swanning off to Holland, and doing things on his own, that she'd be out of the spotlight? Because in her world view, unless you're the centre of attention 24/7, you have no meaning. Your brand loses its buzz.

She's, I don't know, sitting in her Montecito house of cards, doing what exactly? Provided they actually live in the mansion. I've read nobody lives there.

Of course, when a malignant narcissist is this quiet for this long, WW4 can't be too far off, now can it?

The Markles put out a press release (this is their 'job') announcing they were donating to various charities. Probably $10 each.

They were asked AGAIN to present at the Academy Awards (and they could have chosen which award they wanted to present!) but they’re not sure if they’re going to. They’re suddenly conscious of “optics”. The article goes on to pump them up and mention Diana a hundred times.

Wonder how that happened?

^^ yeah, after they have skimmed off 90%

The Harkles are on shaky ground with this book. Who, really, is going to be shocked if he attacks Charles, Camilla, William or Kate? What more damage could he really attempt to do to them? He has already vented his spleen at his family to such an extent that no-one will be shocked.

If he focuses on his own woes and shaky mental health, he may gain a little sympathy, but he will make himself look weak (especially when we have spent the past few years faced with war and disease) and make William look wonderful in comparison.

And if the book causes The Queen to get as much as a slight headache, I guarantee you that Harry will be faced with a level of fury in the UK press that will make his previous coverage seem like a dream. There is something touching about watching the monarch who has been there so long suddenly succumb to frailty. People feel protective towards her.

I think those who suspect that the book will be met with a barrage of lawsuits are wide of the mark. The Royal Family has experience of dealing with books and unpleasant press. Even those books which threaten to do most damage (like the Morton book), eventually go away. I doubt that Harry’s whingeing will be as powerful as Diana’s story. And the Royal Family have an effective strategy which was trialled after the Oprah interview. They will let the book be serialised in the press, the headlines will be horrific for a few days. Then the palace will respond with an anodyne “recollections may vary” and the Family (and newspapers) will move on.

Ultimately, I suspect the great achievement of the latter years of the Queen’s reign will be regarded as her ability to set up a stable framework for the future. Her relationship with Charles and William seems strong, and she has done the difficult job of getting Camilla accepted as Queen Consort. She has also secured a place for Edward and Sophie (her favourite: another nice middle-class girl with a sense of duty and self-discipline) at the core of the family. She has seen off the Harkles’ attempt to set up a rival court and has set the course for the monarchy for the next decade or two.

r446 I find it very hard to believe they declined previously when asked which makes me doubt the whole article.

Bra-VO, R448!

R446, what is 'optics'? Even my fertile imagination can't understand what the fuck they mean by optics?

Well Camilla certainty hasn't been very strongly welcomed in any way as queen consort, nor Charles going back.on his word. Charles looks selfish and the queen looks weak as she allowed ALL of this, Charles horrible behavior, Andrew, Harry's marriage, this is what people see.

What is your evidence for those statements?

Give over. No one asked these two assclowns to present at the Oscars. This is beyond sad now.

Exactly, R454. Once again, these assholes are utilizing the pseudo fait accompli method of PR. Act like it’s actually happened and maybe people will believe it. What a cheap, transparent ploy. I’m embarassed for their PR firm, how very elementary and basic. Can’t think of anything else, eh?

I've read on various gossip and tabloid sites that the Academy has been interested in having them there and maybe even presenting an award but that the two of them won't consider anything less than presenting best picture. And that that isn't going to happen.

But I'm nobody, I don't know anybody and that's just gossip I've read on disreputable websites. And yet I believe that that's not unbelievable.

I was wondering what either one of them had to do with movies to present Oscars. Even her tv show and their Oprah interview doesn't make them all that great for the Emmys - but the Oscars? What a joke. Might as well have them do the Baftas, though that would be fun to hear the boos.

Oh god R456. Guess we'll have a Kardashian and dadmom Caitlyn presenting at the Oscars next time. And one of Trump's lunatics like Giuliani.

I'm not so sure any longer that the family won't sue. I grant that it would take something really egregious for them to take it to court. After the Queen publicly dehunked the Nam8ng Lilibet Phone Call And Video story, leaving Harry with egg on his face (after he yet again threatened lawsuits) , I'm inclined to think they aren't prepared to tolerate anything in silence any longer.

After the Lilibet incident, Harry knows that they are willing and capable of putting the boot in, if they are pissed off enough. And that incident involved lying about the Queen herself. I wonder also if Harry didn't get a personal message behind the scenes at the time, to eat h his step where the Queen is concerned.

Hence, Scabies' fawning little bulletin that Harry will go out of his way to avoid taking shotscats at her.

As always, the Suusex timing is impeccably bad. Harry has to juice this thing up to sell it, but to do that, he has to aim at the clearly failing yet valiant Queen, the hugely popular Cambridges, and Britain's next Head of state.

Britons may not be overly enthused about King Charles and Queen Camilla, but we're far less enthused about the Sussexes. And there is a peculiar sort of proprietary sensibility at work, believe it or not. Harry is now an outsider - how dare he kick the family dog! He may be a tiresome old dog, but he's OUR tiresome old dog!

As for the Best Picture Oscar, it would be an empty coup for Meghan and Harry. Everything they seize on to big themselves up calls into question how big they aren't. Just the way that NAACP Image award had angry black people asking why a white British royal was up there who had done nothing but marry black-ish? The appearance begs the very question it is meant to put to bed: Why them?

They're not particularly attractive, he's stunningly uncharismatic, clearly dumb as a box of rocks, she's past her sell date in terms of looks and was never much of an actress - her career was laughable by that crowd's standards. It's the title, always and again.

And, as pointed out, with mass tragedy unfolding in Europe, the Great Unwashed yet again seeing the Economic Wolf at the door, another COVID surge perhaps heading toward America . . . The Sussexes taking the opportunity to lecture the world from their lofty perch in Montecito on the stage? Really?

And it's the winner who is supposed to talk, not the presenter. The presenter has to go through the list of nominees one by one with the little tag line, and then step back when the winner comes up.

Yes, I can see it all.

Of course, if the rumour turns out to be true, the thread opened will reach 600 posts within an hour.

Do you think Harry wants to put down the spliff and the spoon and get dressed in something other than his pjs with the big fluffy feet in them to schmooze with the vain and shallow celebs? It's his wife who is behind this. She just dresses him up and drags him out and hangs onto his arm so he doesn't wander off. I wonder if he has any idea where he is and from whom he's accepted this week's award.

These organizations handing them awards will have vicious karma fall upon them eventually. They will be guilty be association as the Harkle House of Cards comes down, as we all know it will. She's walking a tightrope but she's not a tightrope walker. And it's a long way down, babe.

Whatever. Face it, the Oscars aren’t that special anymore. Awards shows in general are fading.

Yeah. It wouldn’t really be such a coup. But mentally both of them are stuck in the late 90s. So they probably think it would be a big deal.

[quote]Harry is now an outsider - how dare he kick the family dog! He may be a tiresome old dog, but he's OUR tiresome old dog!

Agreed. That book might be the best thing to happen to Charles and Camilla. Public sympathy will run high because the Sussexes are not sympathetic figures. Look at their poll numbers. This is like a political campaign where a desperate second or third place candidate lobs and attack to shake things up, has something really juicy, but unexpectedly the majority of the electorate looks at and disdains it as a step too far.

I don't think anyone will sue because it's not their style, they enjoy the upper hand in public opinion and libel or slander would be very hard to prove because unless it is an outright lie, because recollections really do vary.

Here's the kind of apology you get from a newspaper when they fuck up in an article: “Rachel Riley deserves every bit of compensation for the hard-Left abuse she’s endured” (23 December 2021) written by Ian Austin, we suggested that Laura Murray, a former staff member at the Labour Party, was an “anti-Jewish racist” and part of the “vile anti-Semitism of Corbyn’s Labour” who had been stood up to by Rachel Riley during a recent court case. These allegations were and are untrue. We accept that there was and is no basis to suggest that Ms Murray is anti-Semitic. On the contrary; the court heard in unchallenged evidence that Ms Murray devoted significant time and energy to confronting and challenging antisemitism within the Labour Party whilst she was employed there. The Telegraph and Ian Austin apologise to Ms Murray. We have agreed to pay her substantial damages. (Apparently this lady got a whopping 40,000 pounds. The Telegraph also has an apology to Vairst Letty over a story with a number of errors, but who wants to read that over breakfast?)

So as he writes about his feelings and interpretation of people and events there's a lot of leeway and lies that damage reputation will be hard to prove. Inferences that damage reputation would be harder. Suing would be messy and protracted. It would be surprising to me if they do it on that basis. They stonewalled the Duke and Duchess of Windsor for years but didn't make a lot of noise about it. Granted, the Windsors somehow summoned the dignity to keep their mouths shut.

What will be interesting is if he provides copies to them prior to publication.

If he's clever (indulge me) he'll indulge in a lot of what if and if only, playing to the irrational Diana crowd and every alternate ending to the failed fairy tale... if only Camilla had refused my father's entreaties, how different life would have been... if only my father had been more patient and willing to try to save the marriage, as I know Mummy really wanted.

[quote]If he focuses on his own woes and shaky mental health, he may gain a little sympathy, but he will make himself look weak

Hopefully a lawyer has a quiet word to remind of the odds of a future custody proceeding. Pointing this out only because the stats aren't encouraging when it comes to marriage where one partner is a child of divorce, let alone two.

I’m the one who posted the link about the Sussexes being offered their choice of awards to present during the Academy Awards. Should have done a better job of indicating sarcasm.

Not for a second do I believe that the Academy begged them to present, or that they were given carte blanche. That story reeks of bullshit. It wasn’t a triumphant announcement; it was a bit of sour grapes, actually. They may have been offered one of the lesser awards and this is Meghan’s way of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. (“I don’t get out of bed for less than $10.000.”)

It sounds like the time they “politely declined” to present in 2020 or the time she couldn’t attend Barack’s 60th. Declined something they were never offered. Who’s going to go on the record and say “they were never invited”? See also: Met Gala

Would just further cheapen the Oscars as any kind of recognition of artistry. Might get a few extra eyeballs on the broadcast, I guess. I'll just watch the clip the next day, maybe.

It all sounds dubious, and more like PR bumph.

R467, I agree. The Oscars is failing on so many fronts. Desperate publicity grabs won't add any lustre.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R446, And what irony if they were Oscar presenters! Imagine the paparazzi Harry would willingly encounter!

On her deathbed, unseen, HM is spending 70 years of good will.

R469, To digress:

IMO, once the Academy Awards started going to non-theatre movies, that is, to movies accessible only to cable-TV subscribers which also precluded the shared group experience, people's interest waned.

I won't subscribe to Netflix, so I guess I'll miss some nominees.

r441. Interesting.

I have not read Agassi's book but found this Guardian review, it sounds hilarious. I think (unknown to the public )daddy Agassi being wild ,might be more accepted as the cause of his son's woes than Charles who we have all known for decades.

Interesting how many bandwagons pass through Montecito on the daily

If the Academy thinks Meghan and Harry will bring buzz to this fading ceremony I can see them making an offer, but no way would the Sussexes get the Best Picture slot. Probably Best Documentary, as that just barely fits with their social causes. Anyway, it doesn't matter if the rumor is true: Nobody cares about the Oscars anymore.

Is Spencer up for best picture? H&M presenting that award would certainly be something...

R476 The ratings get worse every year, ditto the BAFTAs. The politicisation of these shows is proving their death knell. But if the Sussexes can't politicise their appearance, what are they there for? It's a Catch-22.

The presenters are usually listed before the event, aren't they?

It would be an Alpha and Omega moment for Meghan, but a really sad one for Harry.

She had no business being on BP's balcony, and Harry has no business presenting an Oscar.

They are such a fucked up mismatch.

You see Kate and the senior royals at the Bond premiere to support the British film industry, they both belong there. You see them at the BAFTAS, William is patron and president, he and Kate bring the royal glamour that the BBC's stupidity cost the show this year. It came in behind Dancing on Ice.

What does a joke of a former d-list actress who was recently outed as perjuring herself in court, and a dimwitted second-tier British prince clawing clumsily to be taken seriously beyond his family connections, both of whom want to talk about themselves, bring to the Oscars?

I don't know if it's politicization as much as it became obvious during the Weinstein era that the Oscars are bought and paid for by Hollywood power brokers. This has always been true, but Weinstein made it so fucking obvious that it turned off regular viewers. The other cause is that social media makes celebrities ubiquitous. Seeing them on red carpets is NDB anymore.

[quote]I find it very hard to believe they declined previously when asked which makes me doubt the whole article.

SA, this reminds me of the impromptu Morocco trip that left people wondering why the Home Office had sent them. It happened days before ceremony and people speculated that it was preemptive to keep them from attending. The OTT gown not appropriate for the setting had posters wondering if it had been intended for the Oscars.

The only reason I give this rumor ANY credence is that the producer of this year’s ceremony is a woke black man. There are two black female hosts. He’s shaking up the entire thing, trying to make it modern and woke and he claims to be “fearless”. That is just the kind of idiot who’d he susceptible to a PR flack’s pressure to let those two clowns. present an award.

And it sounds as if it’s going to be a shitshow of epic proportions. I may watch it, actually.

It's quite likely the Oscars will make it to 100 years old. 150 years old? No way.

Sunshine Sachs are the publicists for the Oscars. And why wouldn't the Markles present? They've hired C list TV people Schumer, Sykes and somebody else to be the hosts. The Harkles fit right in.

We're building up to WWIII, folks. The UK is the US' strongest ally. The Queen (and after her) Prince Charles are/will be Heads of State. Harry is a dimwit but I think the fact Biden snubbed him in Fort Worth should be a tell that Harry better mind his manners or get his ass deported. He's nobody and the State Dept won't allow a whiny little brat to upset the Special Relationship because his publicist runs a troll farm on twitter in support of him.

Don't be mean to Wanda Sykes. She's not C-List!

r480 Ah yes thanks for the reminder . I had forgotten about that. They both seem stuck in the 1990s and the last decade when the Oscars was generally relevant throughout was the 1990s in my opinion.

Yes, reading these posts, I'm convinced they will indeed be presenting.

R463 If SS is the publicist for the Oscar's, that might be where this dog is buried. In an effort to draw viewers to a show everyone knows is bleeding ratings, SS leaks a rumour that two of her other clients are going to appear. The Oscar's never confirm or deny it, so they aren't on the hook. Meghan and Harry get a bit of pixie dust sprinkled on them via the unchallenged but possibly false assertion that they were asked, but declined.

As always, of course, the Oscar timing couldn't be worse. Philip's Memorial is right after the Oscar's. Harry glamming it up the day before at the Oscar's but refusing to show for his grandfather's memorial would finish off his relationship with his family and with Britain.

This way, H&M get a frisson of Hollywood buzz, and, SS devoutly hopes, more viewers tune in to see the Miracle Of No Talent Success on live telly.

^*Oscars (not Oscar's)

Fucking autocorrect.

It's clear to me that the Sussexes are hooked up with and may even be controlled by anti-Monarchy and dirty Russian money. Is there proof they actually own the Montecito house? They are probably living rent free and unwittingly laundering 30k or more per month. I say unwittingly because these are exactly the type of dunces that power brokers love to enlist.

Meghan only has a future on some Real Housewives franchise now and Harry looked like a member of orange Devo without their limited talent. Isn't that conical hat shape also worn by Pagliacci's tragic clown? Unintended, but not a coincidence!

They're not invited. Never were, never will be.

R341, did you ever even watch the show? They were not "nobodies." She was in a character ensemble show. Everyone worked hard and she probably understood she needed to do her job. She and Patrick Adams, who played her husband, were both written out of the show before the last season. My understanding is that it was because she wanted to leave as she would be marrying Harry. Adams was a main character, so maybe he had other things he wanted to pursue. Through all of that she was very professional and had she continued that way, things would be much different now.

Nope r493. She was written out because Patrick had wanted out and he expressed this desire before she met Harry. She was a nobody in Hollywood and the wider U.S. There are also several stories of her unprofessional behavior over the years including from the Reitmans commercial director. She has a loooong history of bad behavior.

It's not working, R493. You're arranging deck chairs on RMS Lusitania.

R490 I doubt anti-monarchy groups are involved. The Sussexes draw their cachet from the institution. No House of Windsor, no House of Sussex.

The house was actually put in the name of some company incorporated in Delaware under Meghan's name. There may have been tax issues for Harry that were addressed this way. He's still a UK citizen, and his earnings hare therefore still subject to dual taxation. The house isn't earned income, but it is an asset, and he still needs to keep his address in England alive in order to keep his foot in the BRF for his police protection case, and his status as potential Councillor of State and Regent.

The house was allegedly bought from one of those shade Russian oligarchs, and the house they "rented" in Canada was also the property of a Russian oligarch - one who has a company looking at youth/rejuvenation science. Tech billionaire. Sergei something?

The Sussexes are completely devoid of principle when it comes to their own perceived benefits.

But one thing they know isn't to their benefit is toppling of the only thing that gives them any cachet.

And it isn't as if the Windsors will be taken to the guillotine in tumbils with shaved heads. No, william and Kate are will live partially and be courted by charity Boards everywhere.

Anti-monarchy pals, no. Dirty Russian money - wouldn't be surprised.

^*tumbrils (not tumbils)

Fucking autocorrect.

^* William and Kate will live palatially . . .

R490, they’re up to their necks in it. They STILL haven’t called out Russia or Putin by name. Agree with r496 that their Russian benefactors are not anti-monarchist, but I think they’re still shady as fuck.

I’d still like to know who owned the UN Plaza apartment where they stayed last fall, for their faux-royal tour of NYC. They didn’t stay in a hotel, but a private apartment. It had been owned by lawyer Barry Bloom, but was sold right around the time they stayed there. Very strange. They’re always couch-surfing, those two.

They’re beholden to some bad people, just like Trump.

^^ Not that I think Bloom has anything to do with it. Think he was out of the picture before they stayed in his former apartment. I’m wondering who owned it and let the Sussexes stay there.

Variety described them as 'ex-royals' and their publicist complained to Variety that they're Real Royals. They're truly pathetic.

R501, that is hilarious. And sad.

R494, if he wanted out so badly, why did it take multiple seasons to get him out? This interview makes it clear that he made a final determination in the middle of season 7 that season 8 would be his last. Markle already had her next gig set up, marriage to Harry. I don't see anything here or anywhere else legitimate about being a problem on the set. The whole production seems like it worked very well throughout its seasons. As I said earlier, after that, her grasp extended beyond her reach and she sunk herself, taking Harry with her.

It's not usual for set problems to land in credible publications. What happens in Vegas. Nobody wants to be a rat. Nobody wants to be known to be a leak risk. There's gossip about bad behaviour on set and in fairness who can say it's true? Any stories of bad on set behaviour I've heard I've never seen substantiated in the mainstream.

Suits was a minor cable TV show filmed in Canada on a low budget.

It was a minor hit (for basic cable) that got very little traction and had a very minor cast. It's not a big piece of significant pop culture other than the fact it's the only major-ish credit on MeAgain's rather pathetic IMDB page.

MeAgainStans trying to build it up as some hugely beloved megahit packed with superstars and part of the Zeitgeist of major artistic achievements of the early 21st century are just adding to their delusion.

R505 it was a bigger show than Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad!

Yeah, it wasn't like she was on Mad Men or Breaking Bad or something.

If she hadn't been on the show or if she had never married or even met Harry, "Suits" would be a show title that someone would bring up and people would go:

"Suits? Suits....wasn't that a fashion show on CNN?"

"No. I think it was some cable drama...but, not GOOD cable like HBO. Like basic cable crap."

"Oh...yeah. Sounds vaguely familiar. I might have flipped by it once or twice..."

I could never tell it apart from Leverage or White Collar.

"Suits" wasn't even as big as "Burn Notice." Even I heard of the latter, and I don't have cable.

R505, I am not a fan of Meghan, just of facts. This was not an unknown show. It did very well all 9 seasons. I suspect you've never seen the show. She performed well as did other members of the ensemble cast. You've become as hysterical as the Ex-Royals and their fans.

The show ran a long time, but it was basic cable and she just had a supporting role. It wasn't a major series with any kind of long-term cultural relevance.

I’m betting Smegs and the Ginger wind up on the Tattletales reboot.

Or perhaps on the Match Game reboot where they could be permanent squares like Brett and Charles.

Suits started out fine ratings-wise, but the viewership steadily dropped. By the 5th season it had half as many viewers as the first. It has zero cultural impact and did not draw as many viewers as other USA Network original shows.

Mad Men started out small ratings-wise but grew steadily and by the 5th season had tripled its viewers (and was much higher than Suits 5th season). It had tons of cultural impact, was a huge stylistic influence on television, won a slew of prestigious awards, and put AMC on the map for original programming.

These comparisons are silly.

I'd never heard of Suits but I don't watch crappy basic cable shows.

[quote] "Suits" wasn't even as big as "Burn Notice." Even I heard of the latter, and I don't have cable.

[quote]"No. I think it was some cable drama...but, not GOOD cable like HBO. Like basic cable crap."

[quote]Suits was a minor cable TV show filmed in Canada on a low budget.

It did better than the Sopranos did their first season and better than Mad Men did during their first 3 or 4 seasons. It had better ratings than Breaking Bad did for their first 3 seasons. Suits didn't have any big network media campaigns.

So shut up and stop talking about things you know nothing about. It made a ton of money for the network. It was on for 9 seasons. You may not like it, but that's a fact.

And it was successful enough that it was spun off into a Japanese and a Korean remake of the show.

And this little cable show was nominated TWICE for a People's Choice Award.

And Meghan made such an impact that she didn’t appear on the promotional poster. She also wasn’t listed as a star.

On basic cable.

Shirley you jest, R506.

R516 is clutching at proverbial straws.

[quote]And this little cable show was nominated TWICE for a People’s Choice Award.

Poor Smegs. Yet more missed opportunities to be known as “The People’s Princess”.

Nominated twice for People's Choice? Hell, that's better than Emmy and Oscar combined! Were either of those nominations for Meg?

She was a mediocre actress. That's why a supporting role on Suits is as far as she got.

She was nominated for the Choice Style Icon Award at the 2018 Teen Choice Awards and lost to Harry Styles, a man in a dress.

R516 that's some pathetic grasping at straws. The Sopranos was on HBO, a pay cable station that was available on maybe half as many homes in the US as the free USA Network. Despite that by the second season, the number of Sopranos viewers were more than twice that of Suits at its peak, and Sopranos stayed that high. The Sopranos caused HBO subscriptions to spike and it won a shit ton of actual prestigious awards. It even got one of those silly People's Choice nominations, but no one gives a shit about those.

This attempt at making Suits something bigger than it was is counterproductive--you're only reinforcing just how small and insignificant it really is in the TV/cultural landscape.

Someone here is very invested in making us think that “Suits” was some popular show. Maybe it was, in some circles. I get it mixed up with the one with Matt Bomer and the other one, “Billions”.

The first time I heard about Meghan Markle was when he whined about the press bothering her.

Her IMDB page is meagre - bit parts and a supporting role on a cable show. Her career was going nowhere. She was wise to try to get a rich husband. She was pushing 40 and actresses don't happen after 40. Presumably she's untalented too or she would might have got some traction.

Her "acting" is so cringeworthy that she was fired after one episode of Fringe. She was hired to play a new character, but after her debut they decided to scrap the character and go "in a different direction" haha. Watch her on Suits. She's really wooden and uses the same three facial expressions. Zero range or talent. Without the biracial Suits director, none of us would have ever heard of her.

R503

R503 Patrick had been thinking of leaving since the end of the first half of season SIX. His new marriage and having to constantly travel for work, along with his feeling that Mike's storyline had come to an end.

[quote] Nominated twice for People's Choice? Hell, that's better than Emmy and Oscar combined!

No it's not some great award, but people liked it enough to vote for it. And this show made a ton of money for the network. It was on 9 seasons. And it only went off the air after Meghan left.

you may not like this, but it's a FACT.

The ones this show was nothing are the same one's who said Windsor was a horrible place no one wants to live in. Meanwhile, Kate can't wait to move there.

But of course, Kate is desperate to move as far away from Rose as possible. She thinks this will stop William's affair with Rose. It won't. Distance never kept his dad away from camilla.

Don’t forget her star turn as Suitcase Girl 24 on Deal or No Deal. Had she remained on that show it would still be on the air today. That’s a FACT too, right R529?

I think we can all agree Meghan is more or less the Grace Kelly of the 21st century.

R529. If only Charles had shown the loyalty to Diana that Meghan has shown to the men in her life.

I can’t wait until Lilibet Diana is old enough to drive R531.

She failed her Suits audition but got the part anyway because the director owed her then husband producer a favor.

I think I know what Meghan's been doing with all that time on her hands. Creating sock puppet accounts on DL. Unhinged. All that therapy and still a fucking screaming mess.

R529 is pissed that I proved him wrong so has to bring up long debunked rumors started by Meghan's skeevy friends. Meghan and Harry were both in other relationships when they met, she in a long term one with Corey until August 2016. Malignant narcs like the gutter whore Harry married and brought home always project their numerous faults onto others.

Part of Harry’s anger now is that his grandfather and father and brother were right. ALLEGEDLY Philip warned that one doesn’t marry actresses. ALLEGEDLY William suggested Harry get to know Meghan before proposing marriage to her.

We haven’t heard what the women said, interestingly. Did his grandmother hold her tongue? Did Kate or Camilla just nod and wave and applaud?

"All my descamisados expect me to outshine the enemy.....the ARISTOCRACY! I won't disappoint them!

I'm their SAVIOR, that's what they call me.....so Lauren Bacall me.....anything goes!"

The people's choice also results in things like Donald Trump and Kim Kardashian, so let's not invest too much worth in that gong.

It is fun to watch the Megaloopdyloons melt in to anger and futility, with orders to shut up and citations of the people's choice awards. Your Smile for the Day and such. Poor boobys.

Grace Kelly started with conventional great stardom though, didn't she?

Wasn't Grace Kelly an asset to Monaco?

But Monaco and Great Britain are two entirely different entities.

And Grace and Meghan - woah. Class or trash... though wasn't Grace an alcoholic or serial cheater or something? Can't remember off-hand. Bad driver, anyway.

Grace's clothes always fit well too. Even when she got fat.

Also didn't Grace stick with her job?

Vintage gossip:

[quote] Kelly, Grace. "Sexual tyrannosaurus." Rumored to be a drunk and anti-Semite. Once shared an apartment with another woman--a one-bedroom, one-bed apartment. Linked with Jean-Pierre Aumont, Oleg Cassini, Gary Cooper, Bing Crosby, Clark Gable, Cary Grant, William Holden, Aly Khan, Ray Milland, David Niven, Prince Rainier (in a very unhappy marriage), Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, Frank Sinatra, Jimmy Stewart, and Spencer Tracy.

Vintage gossip entry about Princess Diana:

[quote] Diana, Princess. Vain, shallow, petty woman. The less you knew her, the better you liked her. Addicted to Rohypnol.

That’s strange. I don’t recall hearing about Rohypnol. Anyone remember that? It’s just gossip, but it’s from 2004. Maybe people talked about it and it’s been forgotten? There’s also a mention that she had a feud with Elton John.

[quote] Princess Diana vs Elton John, Fergie, and many others (Princess Di being unable to cope with less than total devotion)

Does anyone remember this? Of course I always side-eye their perfect friendship, but they did share a special affinity.

I love how the Meghanstan tries against all evidence and logic to convince us that Suits was as popular and culturally relevant as The Sopranos or Mad Men, and when even they have to see how nuts they sound, they try to bring up old bullshit rumors about William and Kate.

Give it up, Crazy. Meghan is a failed actress, a failed royal, and a failed philanthropist. Her high point was in May 2018 when she sashayed down the aisle in her ill-fitting Givenchy dress, and she'll never scale those peaks again.

R537, It wouldn't be the purview of an in-law to have opined. And HM would not deign.

Kelly was an A list Oscar winning global star in her twenties and acknowledged as one of the most beautiful women in the world. Her father was a wealthy builder in Philadelphia. That's why Ranier picked her and that's what she brought to Monaco, a tiny Mediterranean principality that was already the playground of the rich and famous.

Any comparisons between the Kelly of 1957 and the 2016 D-list, moderately attractive former Suitcase Girl on Deal or No Deal is laughable.

Christ, Kelly had already starred in films with Clark Gable, Bing Crosby, and Cary Grant.

Meghan Markle still had grease on her hands and chipped nails from crawling up that sleazy pole.

Kelly was certainly not a timid virgin when she married Ranier, but the tral problems started well into the marriage.

The better comparison is Diana and Kelly, between whom there are far more parallels, including the eerie one of their respective deaths.

Meghan is just a clumsy wannabe who got lucky.

She wasn't remotely equal or even willing to put in the years of work that Diana and Grace did, despite a not ideal home life.

Both women make Meghan look like the clumsy fraud she is.

William's advice to Harry was good advice regardless of the identity of the fiancée. Royals should get to know their partners very well as it's an unusual, pressured life for all its privileges. The Queen, William, and even Charles the second time around have proven the worth of long courtships (if only Charles hadn't been married for part of his).

It's clear that Harry wanted, as always, what William had: A lovely, supportive wife and beautiful children. Rather than putting the time and effort into a long-term relationship (he apparently treated both Chelsy and Cressida badly), he decided to short-cut matters and pick a partner who made everything easy for him by turning herself into the mommy-wife he always wanted. In return, she's brought out all of his worst personality traits and permanently estranged him from his family.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

R549, yes. And Charles learned that lesson with his first wife as well. I can’t recall the exact quote, but didn’t he say something about “the problem with dramatic people…”? It might have been in context of Diana, not Meghan.

R545 love that old gossip site - my all-time favorite entry:

Brooks, Mel linked to Anne Bancroft

R549 I agree William's advice was very wise. William himself was heavily criticized for making Kate wait seven years before he proposed (although Kate was also heavily criticized with much more misogynistic undertones about waiting around for William). But it turned out to be the right move. William and Kate have a very solid partnership thanks to their long "courtship." Their relationship is much more on par with the Queen and Philip's marriage. Every royal who has rushed into marriage generally has resulted in the relationship breaking down spectacularly. You don't need to be particularly intelligent to see that is where the Sussex marriage will likely head too.

All Harry's long-term relationships with Chelsy, Cressida failed because they got fed up with him. So Harry probably figured Meghan would too. But she was a desperate golddigger so he shouldn't have worried.

Rushing into marriage is bad in general, royal or not. You need to get to know someone BEFORE you bind yourselves together legally.

R529 you didn't mention her work as blowjob girl on 90210. Outstanding actress, and the real reason that show was popular. riiiiight?

While they were setting up the scene R555 references, she gave Joe E. Tata a blowjob on the Peach Pit set which almost resulted in an unfortunate grease fire.

Rex Harrison once said never marry an actress because they never stop acting.

I know so many straight couples who have divorced because they have absolutely nothing in common and end up hating each other. William's advice works for everyone.

Newsweek has a very sad article up on Twitter about how Harry's feelings are hurt and he is very upset about how mean the Daily Mail is to him and he's suing them again for causing the poor little mite "distress".

How is he going to promote this book? Will he try the stadium sized presentation that worked so well for Michelle Obama? Will he do the morning talk shows? Late night? Do you think Oprah will promote it with another interview? Probably not. I think she was burned the last time. She can pass the baton to Gayle!

Just read the Newsweek story - he really is fucking stupid and has no awareness of how he looks to the general public with all this litigation over nothing.

The Home Office already confirmed that he only offered to pay much later on. What the hell is he thinking?

Lawsuits are just another PR angle for the pathetic Markles.

Oh, poor Rex, R557. Did he find out his wives were faking orgasms to get him to stop?

Here's the Newsweek article.

Harry's such a fucking spoiled brat. And NOBODY is allowed to criticize him or the starlet. Lese-majeste!

Charles is the LAST person to talk about drama r550. His recent behavior alone is revolting.

R545 Is that from that old alphabetical gossip encyclopedia that was online 20 years ago?

The lawsuit proves he reads comments sections on the daily mail though, which is hilarious.

He fucking loved the press when they were doing big lies about "hero harry". He only started this lawsuit mania when they stopped kowtowing to him.

He knows everyone thinks he is a joke and that he ruined his life by marrying that loser. He doesn't understand it's his own stupidity.

He needs to shut up and go and live quietly on a farm in Wiltshire never to trouble the people again.

I wonder when it will hit him, it isn't about dislike of your wife old chap, rather that people actually dislike you.

“Jamaicans don’t want the Queen… If Harry [was coming], people would react different. People would go and meet Harry. But William, NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THAT” - Dancehall star Beenie Man on Prince William and Kate’s visit to Jamaica (via @GMB)

Beenie Man hath spoken.

"Beenie Man the Sussex Stan"

[quote] I wonder when it will hit him

It looks like Harry is completely isolated from anyone who does not toe his wife's party line. Like that story of David Foster being attracted to Harry's wife because she is so hot. And how all the stories about them are fabricated.

Who is there in his life that might be believed if they pointed out that, to use that old Fairy Story plot, "The Emperor Has No Clothes"? He's been cut off from long time friends, as well as all of his family, except for Eugenie.

Perhaps that's how brainwashing works. Cut people off from any input but the one that you want to indoctrinate them with.

It seems that the only thing Harry has held somewhat firm with is shown by the limited times that one or both of his children have been a part of publicity. Story is that both William and Harry hated all the photographers they had to deal with as kids. William and Kate's solution was to release photos that Kate herself took on the expected occasions (birthdays, starting school, for examples) and so eliminated those photo events that William hated. But Harry's wife seems to have snuck in a couple of shots, perhaps when Harry was away?

As for when Harry will get a clearer picture of his situation, who can say?

Meghan Markle IS L. Ron Hubbard!

It's a common tactic of controlling people. They want to be the only thing in your life because it will make it harder to leave them.

Harry's lawyers are saying that the Mail's story quote "produced a feeding frenzy of hostile comments” which he found hurtful and embarrassing. This is interesting given both he and Meghan have claimed several times that they do not follow social media or read comments online.

R579 Here's the full article. His lawyers are also claiming the articles have damaged his reputation......in all honesty, I think he's doing a great job of damaging his reputation all on his own.

It's clear that he doesn't want anybody to say anything bad about him and Meghan ever. Being famous doesn't work that way. He's been famous since birth so he should get that.

So the comments in the mail on line make him embarrassed? hahahahaha

That's interesting, r579. They just NOW noticed? The comments sections of Harkle-related articles have been like this for at least three years. I have noticed some royal threads are now moderated and have a fraction of the comments they used to.

Why don't these idiots realize that Associated Newspapers has nearly limitless funds from ad revenue, while theirs appears to be an untenable financial situation, unless they're getting some mysterious funding. I could see how their whole situation would provide a lot of amusement for an oligarch.

r583, she did moan about DM comments in her privacy case as I recall. I think it is a huge thorn in their side that DM wont shut comments down.

Oh, wow. Meghan's lawyers are positioning her for the inevitable custody/divorce battle.

[Quote]His lawyers say the story, and subsequent “adverse and hostile” online comments, were “self-evidently exceptionally serious and damaging” and constitute an “attack on his honesty and integrity” which “undermines his fitness to be involved both in charitable and philanthropic work”.

And his fitness as a father? I can't believe he's allowing himself to be portrayed as such a delicate, reactive figure.

Oh, Meghan's machinations. This is likely the only front she'll be successful at because she chose the biggest dupe who ever got duped. William is probably alternately amused and horrified.

Oh, the prospect of Meg's divorce lawyers in the discovery phase.....

R585 I can't work because of mean comments online!!!

-stares in Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson

Truly, the timing of the Sussexes never ceases to amaze.

WWIII is hovering on the horizon, ten million people re displaced, more than three million have fled their country, children's bodies are being brought out and people are starving in the streets in conditions that would shock Dickens, and Harry is suing ANL again because comments under an article about him and his attempts to wring police protection out of a country he no longer even lives in upset him.

My heart goes out to the judge trying to keep a straight face during the Costs and Management phase of the lawsuit.

And I really do look forward to Harry's barristers PROVING harm to his ability to engage in charity and nonprofit work.

^Maybe Harry will produce letters from charities refusing his donations because they read in the DM that his lawyers lied about his (totally empty) offers to hire the police for his own benefit.

R566, What is this "recent behavior" of Charles?

Am I correct that Harry is suing the DM because an article they published and the comments below it harmed him? If so, he's behaving like some law firm told him he could have ten lawsuits for just _ amount!

Like the old Columbia Records Club. So, he's just using up his coupons with these phony filings whilst the tricksters rake in the dosh.

The language used in his filing is way to advanced for him anyways. I mean, he knows the word 'orange', he knows the word, 'lawsuit', and he clearly understands, 'shut the fuck up, I'm talking.'

Damaging his "honesty and integrity"? What honesty and integrity?

As far as I can see, he's done that perfectly himself.

I swear to God Meghan and Harry leak unflattering stories about themselves just so they can sue and look like victims.

Is Harry is upset because the DM comments didn’t spark joy?

Maybe the Sussexes need a BetterUP! refresher course.

There's a film up on twitter of Kate and William scuba diving with sharks on the Belize coral reef.

As asinine as the submission in Harry's Complaint sounds, Harry's agenda here is a tad darker than those papers seem: Harry is aiming to force the DM to moderate all comments on all articles about him and Meghan - which is to say, setting a legal precedent that critical comments about him and Meghan are, ipso facto, defamatory, libelous, and therefore illegal.

The Sussexes have made no secret of their intent to change the way the press operates in Britain, and whilst they give lip service to a free press, what they want to do is enforce censorship on all critical speech about them through judicial intimidation.

If the High Court finds for Harry in this, it will set a precedent that shuts down reader commentary altogether, because comment is pointless if only nice comments are allowed.

Harry and Meghan are pursuing with their lawsuits an agenda of muzzling the British press. This stupid lawsuit is not as stupid as it looks. It is, like Harry's lawsuit against Her Majesty's Government to force it to designate him as important enough to warrant police protection, and, since it is illegal for him to pay for it, place that burden onto the taxpayer, is a similar challenge.

No one should make the mistake of seeing the Sussexes merely as comically self-regarding.

These lawsuits are aimed at the way the British press operates, and the government's ability taxpayer burdens where the royal family are concerned.

One may hope that the High Court realises what is at stake here.

The issues of free speech and a free press that arose in the aftermath of the previous ANL lawsuit may at first have seemed reflexive, but the newest lawsuit carries Harry's true agenda one step forward, and the government as well as the High Court should take notice

r579 Now he knows what it felt like for the royal family when they made public accusations against them on global television. What a deluded hypocrite he is. Always the victim never the wrongdoer.

Why aren't Harry and Meghan suing the US tabloid press? They're trashing them constantly. Whatever underling does their grocery shopping for them should let them know.

What's he gonna sue next, Twitter? Muriel????

Isn't it interesting that they didn't sue the (UK) TIMES and Valentine Low when he broke the bullying story?

r595 I believe the UK government is planning on introducing legislation to make it harder to close down a free press ability. Although I agree with you what their agenda is in suing. There is something of the medieval monarch mentality about Harry who is posing as an enlightened liberal progressive type. He clearly is a manipulative spoilt brat

R595, I’ve been SAYING this about social media accounts being suspended. And some cunts here called me a Trumper. Just wait until it’s something YOU agree with or something YOU say that gets shut down.

No, you don’t have a constitutional right to a FaceBook or Twitter or IG account. You don’t have a constitutional right to make a comment on the NYTimes website. But there may come a day when you are effectively censored everywhere and won’t be able to communicate with anyone (“you have been downvoted 6,000 times and have lost all your social media acceptability points. Your AT&T account has been closed.”) The Chinese are already experimenting with shit like this.