Arrested!

wow.....

jussie, we'll catch up later.

I didn’t realize she died until I saw this thread. Fry the bitch who shoved her!

Does she look anything like that computer enhanced image.

Vodka bottles? Not so cute in hindsight.

She looks like a normal woman. Not someone I would feel nervous passing on the street. I googled her. She's married and there's a photo or two of her in social situations. It confounds me that she would do something so random and aggressive like that to someone minding her own business and going about her day. The perp walks away so casually, like it was nothing. I'm glad she's caught.

Did her marriage to Naveen Pereira go ahead?

Where you lead.

What the hell was she on?

Just goes to show, R5, that street thugs come in all colors and genders, white privilege notwithstanding.

I guess she blamed Barbara for her failed Funny Girl audition.

She looks different in pictures here than in the surveillance ones. She’s overweight and looks like a hobo in those shots. In the pics here, she’s slim and looks normal. Maybe she has mental issues, which is no excuse. Her fiancée dodged a bulletin DM published his name, then edited it out I believe.

Seeing as she’s a white woman, I’m surprised by the lack of sympathy Dataloungers have for her. Usually you guys would defend someone like this.

R12 Go deal with yourself and stop taking your demons out on other people.

Her Linked In has already been deleted. She worked for Roche Bois, "Communications and Events Coordinator."

Well, Covid has been hard on all of us.

[quote] Her fiancée

She’s a lesbian?

[quote] She worked for Roche Bois, "Communications and Events Coordinator."

Well she certainly coordinated an event when she shoved that poor old woman..

R14: Expect to see her personal Roche Bobois high end furniture collection on sale at Craigslist shortly.

PR/events coordinator. . . Same kind of work as that woman who drove into a crowd in the Hamptons years ago . ..

R9 Statistics say otherwise. Young men are way more likely to commit violent crimes than old ladies. This case is getting attention because it's exceptional.

Ignore r12. He was the one last week saying that the black guy attacking the old Asian woman on that news report was because of white supremacy.

Did she have a connection with the victim or was it random?

She didn’t push the victim. Her gunt sideswiped her.

I think there was a connection. Maybe she's a disgruntled ex student or something. Or maybe she wanted the same cab.

Pretty obvious from how she surrendered and the info here on this thread that this is a woman who has a family with at least some money. Really have to wonder what was behind this whole thing.

For a lifeline NYC artist to lose her life to Long Island trash. What a tragedy. The city truly has gone to shit

The old lady owed some money she hadn't paid back -- mob hit!

No R6. She was planning to be a June bride.

Oh well, time to update the registry.

May she honeymoon in hell.

There ain’t no mob no more in New York City, ya unnerstand?

None. It’s whaddayacall defunk.

So she just randomly went nuts and killed an old woman?

R27, I hear Albion has a lovely hall for marriages.

They can register there and maybe they’ll get some lovely cots.

Cunt! Hope she gets banged out until it's unusable!

Fresh meat!

Too old...^^

I’d like to know how much the fiancé knew. I’d love to make a case for hindering prosecution.

This bitch’s face was plastered all over the news every night. You telling me he didn’t recognize his own fiancée? Bullshit. Lock his ass up too.

Yea...it does look like the family covered it up, until they got a good lawyer first.

She had to turn herself in. Goes to show how useless the NYPD is. Detectives couldn’t locate her or didn’t try very hard.

Everyone grab a broom! We'll take care of this cunt!

Mental illness comes in all shapes and sizes.

Hopefully her husband will dump her. I wouldn't want someone like her raising my children.

I’m just guessing here, but I think she was walking down the street and the lady was in the way so she just gave her a shove, not expecting her to go flying and receive a fatal head injury.

CUNT!!!

Fry her!

I could see a defense of an accidental shove on a bad day when she wasn’t paying attention walking down the sidewalk. But if the result of that is a clearly older lady falling over, any good person would have stopped to get help (and apologize). If this wasn’t intentional, it was like a pedestrian hit and run.

She'll probably get off but her life will be screwed.

In the video, she looked back....and kept on walking. Cold...

Can anyone link the video?

They're only charging her with manslaughter per the article. I wonder if she'll say it was an accident?

Sad.. lives ruined because she couldn’t control her temper.

This deranged, 2-bit cunt surrendered 13 days too late.

R45, that’s stunning.

I guess they thought they couldn’t make a case for Murder 2 with depraved indifference. Maybe they’ll put it to the Grand Jury for that determination.

I guess this is where the "privilege" comes in..

To me it sounds like the cops knew who she was and were in contact with her attorney, and that the charge is probably based on whatever it is they think she is going to offer up as an excuse.

I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't plead not guilty and then claim it was an accident and not a shove, she just ran into her and had no idea she fell over.

I'd like to know what HER grandmother thinks of all this.

She looked back, though.

[Quote] Go deal with yourself and stop taking your demons out on other people.

Too late.

She'd put on quite a bit of weight.

She favors Lady Gaga at r6.

How fortunate that the original Law and Order has returned. When can we expect Jack McCoy to handle this one on the air?

R55 And Chelsea Clinton.

She’s breathtakingly ugly.

She'll get a suspended sentence and probation. That's NY.

^^^Not with the very public nature of this story and the fact that a beloved creative figure needlessly died.

Roche-Bobois? Surely there is a DL'er who works for Roche-Bobois corporate?

You think they will go light on the Pacienza?

I can't find the original video where it shows what happened (the shove).

Video…

Video of the actual assault doesn’t exist.

"She looks like a normal woman. Not someone I would feel nervous passing on the street. I googled her. She's married and there's a photo or two of her in social situations. It confounds me that she would do something so random and aggressive like that to someone minding her own business and going about her day."

Slowly but surely, society is getting there. There's no social contract; narcissism, sociopathy and other toxic mental portfolios/illnesses is rising, along with refusal even to believe in "right and wrong" except from your point of view. Life is a game that is to be won - but not even won in terms of profound achievement; getting other people to "lose" - by killing them, hurting them, denying them - is a win in many people's minds.

I wouldn't say she looks normal at OP's photo. Depends on your perspective. I'd probably be wary of her.

Some really unfunny people are commenting here.

Are you a lost clown in search of a circus, R68?

"Really have to wonder what was behind this whole thing. "

Do we? Can't she just be a criminal? I guess it's inevitable that she'll get the deep "what was wrong with her, is a reason to feel sorry for her?" treatment.

R66...Sounds extreme, but I see your point and it is scary now.

[quote] Not with the very public nature of this story and the fact that a beloved creative figure needlessly died.

And the fact that she’s been on the lam for how long now? In spite of her mug being plastered everywhere.

[quote] Do we? Can't she just be a criminal? I guess it's inevitable that she'll get the deep "what was wrong with her, is a reason to feel sorry for her?" treatment.

Some people need to find some psychological reason or trauma to have caused the behavior. OR - was it drug addiction? We need to factor that in, as well!

I think this woman is a nasty cunt and deserves to go to jail.

That said, it seems to me that the charge of manslaughter is legally appropriate. There is no evidence that she intended to kill the poor old lady. Rather, I suspect the defendant bitch is an entitled cunt, and for whatever reason thought the elderly lady was in her way and/or moving too slowly. Ergo, defendant cunt just shoved the “old bitch” out of her way.

The cunt still needs to do prison time, even if only convicted of manslaughter.

R20 I was being sarcastic because I knew the thread would be full of mental illness / accident / etc.

Which is what it is.

"The Savage is Loose," R66.

[quote] There is no evidence that she intended to kill the poor old lady.

In New York, you don’t need intent to merit a murder 2 charge.

Shoving someone so hard to the sidewalk they ultimately succumb to their injuries shows a depraved indifference to human life.

Stuff it, r70. I want to know the motive, and that doesn't mean it's because I'm looking for a reason to feel sorry for her.

R36

I heard the police found her through the photo on her NY transit card.

R12, You don't read here much, do you?

OK, it was the NY Post who say cops found her through the transit card.

But it shows that the woman did not voluntarily turn herself in. They caught her.

Port Jefferson- Guttersnipe!

Hope the bitch fries.

Her boyfriend is gorgeous. Maybe she was angry cause he had broken up with her because she had become a fat.

Why was she seeing the vocal coach, she wasn't a singer. She was an event planner for a furniture company. btw, there's a job opening.

The old woman she murdered coached Debbie Harry and Diamanda Galas. She had some major students.

This story seemed bizarre from the get go.

Naveen Pereira?

Guess he's South Asian and Hispanic?

She looks like Lady Gaga pre plastic surgery.

R75 His parents could be from the Goa area. They were under Portuguese control and a lot of modern Goans have Portuguese last names. Like Dinesh de Souza.

R85 Goa was a Portuguese colony and many Indians from that area have Portuguese surnames.

R12 go fuck yourself with your bankrupt lying sanctimony.

Stick your hands up yourself, R12.

Pretend Trump is fucking you.

where is pic of boyfriend, please? thanks.

R12, you have to remember the victim was also white. If not, she'd probably garner more sympathy.

r84, Gustern was apparently aware enough to tell people what happened right after she was shoved, and I would assume that if it was a student or someone she knew, she'd have said something. But maybe it happened so fast that she didn't get a chance to look up at the lady as she walked off.

Maybe she's severely mentally ill and unmedicated. Maybe she did it because she has an extreme hatred for the elderly. Maybe she was sexually abused by her grandfather and her grandmother covered it up and seeing the poor woman triggered her. She had to have had a reason for murdering her. Even if it was a random attack there is a still a (small but vague) reason.

[quote]Her attorney Arthur Aidala stated that there is no proof of his client pushing Gustern.

When she was pushed, wasn't Ms. Gustern waiting for a cab with a friend? If so, there sure is a witness! There must have been others walking around, Gustern was pushed around 8:30PM in Manhattan. The city is still somewhat busy, even during these Covid times.

[quote] Slowly but surely, society is getting there. There's no social contract; narcissism, sociopathy and other toxic mental portfolios/illnesses is rising

Oh shut up. It is not. We didn’t have security cameras in the past taking video of everyone. If there wasn’t a photo of her, you never would have heard of this. If anything there would have been a blurb “Woman falls on street, later dies.”

R27

I see their registry has a guest book for visitors to leave notes…

[quote]I see their registry has a guest book for visitors to leave notes…

Don't give DL any ideas!

The local NBC news reported they have info as to what the murderer said to Gustern before pushing her. The will likely mention that at 11PM, it wasn't mentioned during the earlier broadcast.

[quote] and a lot of modern Goans have Portuguese last names. Like Dinesh de Souza.

And they’re usually catholic.

It's the "I really don't care" lookback and casual saunter away knowing the person she pushed is laying in the street that damns her, either in court or certainly in public opinion. That's one cold, entitled bitch.

Her lawyer is already claiming there is no proof she pushed her. I think she’ll get a slap on the wrist too.

R84, what are you talking about? This murderer wasn't a client of the voca coach; she was a total stranger who shoved her on the street.

R93, what the fuck are you talking about?

I wouldn't be so sure of that, R101.

If there’s no video of The Push, you cannot convict her tush

R98, she called her a bitch. The POS crossed the street and pushed her down, the victim was helped up by a cyclist and she told them and her friend what happened before falling into a coma.

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More from the DM article:

Soon after the attack, she went back home to Astoria, Queens, quit her job at a store in Chelsea, deleted all social media and took down a website advertising her wedding this June, prosecutors say. The day after Gustern died, she allegedly fled for her parents' home on Long Island and later stashed her phone at her aunt's house so police wouldn't find it.

Prosecutors say that only after cops visited her parents' home, where her father refused to let them inside and said his daughter was not at home, did her attorney make arrangements for her surrender on Tuesday morning.

Those details certainly won't help her. What an ugly cunt she is, inside and out.

Someone on another thread hypothesized that she had a "Long Island" look to her. She certainly does, and it turns out she IS from there. Good call!

On any given day, 50% of the people in NYC are from Long Island.

I read that her fiancé was with her and they were seen arguing at the scene.

Hopefully the cyclist or cabbie saw something.

I want this bitch to FRY. And her stupid fiancé and her shit parents.

Also, she is fat.

[quote][R84], what are you talking about? This murderer wasn't a client of the voca coach; she was a total stranger who shoved her on the street.

Don't berate me. A local news report stated the Long Guyland murderess had been a former student of the vocal coach.

Perhaps these damn so-called reporters need to get their shit together and verify their information before the news producers give these reports to their anchors to read? You think?

Or maybe, R114, you should read one of the thousand news accounts, none of which said there was any connection between the two of them. And maybe you should stop passing the buck on your own stupidity, dumbass.

the murderess was not a former student; the victim wasn't a vocal fry coach

Her lawyer is Arthur Aidala, Aidala, on the legal defense team of Harvey Weinstein. He has also served as legal defense for Roger Ailes, Anthony Weiner, and Lawrence Taylor.

Oh, relax, both of you.

Oh, do fuck off, R118.

Bye, R115.

Bye, dumb cunt R114/R120. Fucking moron.

Mommy and daddy must be so proud of their spawn. I hope the whole family is ruined.

R84, nothing can explain away the fact that you are an asshole,

Family must have big bucks to hire Arthur Aidala.

The screeching lunatics R115, R121 etc here at DL appear as unhinged as this murderer.

The news stories are getting weirder and weirder by the minute. Berating any poster who read at a few sites that the murderer was a former student, shows me how unhinged DL has become. Several news reports stated she was a former student of the coach. Sue me, you loons.

Here are some parts of the most recent NY Daily News report titled, [bold]"Socialite, 26, called 87-year-old Manhattan singing coach a ‘b--ch’ before delivering fatal shove: prosecutors" [/bold] It's obvious the information is still coming in, you haters need to get a grip.

"A high-flying socialite denounced a renowned 87-year-old singing coach as a “b--ch” before delivering a lethal shove to the elderly stranger on a Manhattan sidewalk — and then callously watched as an ambulance took the dying woman away, prosecutors charged Tuesday." [bold]HIGH FLYING SOCIALITE? Was this woman truly a socialite?! She was a nobody living in Astoria who was working at a store in Chelsea. Yet more misinformation! [/bold] Just because she was photographed at some NYC events didn't make her any kind of socialite. Tons of New Yorkers who work in creative fields get photographed at city events.

Comments from some of her Astoria neighbors: “It’s not an aberration,’ said one neighbor who described herself as a mental health expert. “There have been instances in the building.” Another resident also knew Pazienza as a troubled woman. “She complains a lot at the management office and she’s had friction with people in the building,” this resident claimed." “I feel sorry for her fiance,” she said. “He’s a really nice guy and now everyone wants him out of the building.”

“Doctors tried to perform life-saving surgery but could not restore brain function,” the prosecutor added before Pazienza was held on $500,000 bail or a $1 million bond. She faces up to 25 years in prison if convicted of killing the stranger. Defense attorney Arthur Aidala was granted a request for his client to receive a psychiatric exam before insisting Pazienza was a “100% law-abiding citizen.” He declared the fatal sidewalk shove was not akin to “pushing someone off a cliff ... pushing someone in front of a moving train.” Aidala said the family would not be able to post bail Tuesday, adding his client intended to plead not guilty to the charges. [bold]Some reports claimed her family were rich, her father owns a cesspool business. The parents LI home was nothing special. It was shown on NBC when a reporter tried to interview her parents. They obviously aren't rich if they cannot post bail. [/bold]

Lastly, the shitty Astoria condo she lives in is owned by her BF. This Daily News article calls the condo "high end", no way is Shore Towers considered "high end", the prices are now somewhat high, but the apartments are small, poorly designed and terribly built.

"The screeching lunatics [R115], [R121] etc here at DL appear as unhinged as this murderer."

Are YOU unhinged, R125? Hyperbole much? Comparing people giving you a hard time to a cold-blooded murderer? MARY! What a ridiculous statement. And you keep trying to defend your stupidity. Really, cunt--go away.

r126, please just calm down and stop making this thread about you. Just stop.

[quote]"A high-flying socialite"

[quote]her father owns a cesspool business

She's a cesspool heiress!

Really, R127, just go away. You're a fool. You're the one who keeps making it about herself.

[quote]Really, R127, just go away. You're a fool. You're the one who keeps making it about herself.

I'm not the person you've been arguing with! Christ.

[quote]But it shows that the woman did not voluntarily turn herself in. They caught her.

Okay, that's interesting, because she obviously had attorneys already lined up AND she was able to surrender to police, she wasn't arrested at home. The police at some point must have contacted her or her attorneys so they could arrange the surrender.

Defense attorney Arthur Aidala was granted a request for his client to receive a psychiatric exam before insisting Pazienza was a “100% law-abiding citizen.” He declared the fatal sidewalk shove was not akin to “pushing someone off a cliff ... pushing someone in front of a moving train.”

I wonder if he would feel that way if someone gave his mother a non threatening shove. Nah. He’d probably be ok with it.

So her attorneys are saying there's no proof that she did it, but if she DID do it, it wasn't like she pushed someone off a cliff or anything, and also she's probably crazy.

Got it.

She goes off social media and shuts down her wedding registry (I'm sure those nuptials are abruptly over), then she runs home to hide at Mommy & Daddy's, she dumps her phone, her parents lie for her...all the behavior of an innocent woman, no doubt. My sides!

And sorry, Mary meddler at R130, if you just sounded just like the other Mary. I wasn't trying to make this about me, okay?

[quote]Are YOU unhinged, [R125]? Hyperbole much? Comparing people giving you a hard time to a cold-blooded murderer? MARY! What a ridiculous statement. And you keep trying to defend your stupidity. Really, cunt--go away.

[bold]You are unhinged, calling someone a "cunt"?! Seriously? Talk abut needing a DL Time Out! [/bold]

YOU don't seem to comprehend, you tedious repetitious screeching queen, that ALL the facts weren't in, yet they were being reported as fact. That's the fault of the reporters and the news outlets they work for, not the fault of a person who repeats what they read.

These reporters didn't have correct info, yet it got printed and reported on the local news and online.

For instance, the initial reports stated Ms. Gustern was alone when she was pushed.

Please, STFU. You are giving me a migraine. Step away from the alcohol and the recreational drugs and take your prescribed meds. Like the murderer needed to do!

Please, R135, stop making it all about you.

[quote]Please, [R135], stop making it all about you.

Grow up or shut up. Explaining about my news sources re this awful event is making this about me?

[bold]Honestly dude, what the fuck???? [/bold]

SIEZE HER AND FUCK HER!!!!!

Miss Pazienza, Socialite of Cesspool of the Port Jeff sept would have made an auspicious match with Brian Laundrie of the Van Trash Laundries of West Florida. Alas!

upcoming NY Post headline:: "socialite cesspool heiress found too narcissistic to stand trial"

Is she being held at Rikers?

"I just want to beg everyone to focus on what really matters here...

and that is please, please, please RETURN your RSVP cards for our wedding."

"Also friends and relatives, the KitchenAid Professional stand mixer is still on our registry, so don't disappoint me! (You won't like me when I'm disappointed.)"

Damn, what about that fiancé? Is he Indian and Latino? People keep saying he dodged a bullet. Not really. He knew what happened WHEN it happened and he didn’t say a word. Fuck him, too

I think police knew who she was pretty early on. They just didn’t know where to find her. And her parents lied to police and obstructed justice, too.

Read the NYTImes article on it and gave updated, concise information...nothing about a socialite, cesspools or people talking shit about her...seriously using The Post to get your news....is like asking SNL news desk

I'm not going to stop calling her a Cesspool Heiress, r144.

Not only that, R144, they get screechy and inexplicably type in bold font. Why?

It must have been removed from the actual Yelp page, but it appears in the preview.

The DM said the police were tipped off. They knew who she was.

Port Jeff Cesspool Heiress

Whether it's accurate or not, I, too, like the title "cesspool heiress." It fits by the look of this cunt.

Her dad really has a cesspool service!

Those Pazienza women though, yikes! More like PAZUZU.

The killer was probably the "pretty" one in the family.

What is up with this shitty thread title, OP?

[quote]Prosecutors say that only after cops visited her parents' home, where her father refused to let them inside and said his daughter was not at home, did her attorney make arrangements for her surrender on Tuesday morning.

I missed this earlier, it explains why she had an attorney already. Her parents really did interfere, and that aunt probably did, too, hiding her phone for her. This is all so seedy.

I’m sure plenty of people tipped off the cops. Sounds like she was a real cunt to more people than the one she killed. When they released the second set of photos in which you can clearly see her ugly mug, they were asking for her location. They already knew on Saturday.

She quit her job right after she pushed poor Barbara, while she was still alive. She was ready to go into hiding.

She makes me irrationally angry.

[quote]Read the NYTImes article on it and gave updated, concise information...nothing about a socialite, cesspools or people talking shit about her...seriously using The Post to get your news....is like asking SNL news desk

Here we go again. Yet another archly superior DL poster having to go on about which news sources have "concise" info. All the anal control freak loudmouths in this thread are exhausting.

There's nothing wrong with reporters informing the public where her family got the money to pay her high-priced lawyer, they are business owners.

There's also nothing wrong with her neighbors saying she was a problematic and erratic presence in the condo, it helps build the case against her. Well, duh.

Now all the dots are being connected.

R111, I'm the one who said it in the other thread and that's not true about 50% from LI. You've got transplants, NJ, CT, Westchester, Brooklyn, Queens, The Bronx, Staten Island and Manhattan natives.

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Hot? Him? Hmm.

Naveen Periera at a Pazienza family wedding. July 2018.

What did he see in his GF?!

They were together for a while, I guess. That surprises me because it seems like you'd figure out within a few months that this bitch was crazy.

Carmela and Tony Soprano.

Thankfully her daughter wasn't around!

Maybe she can hook up with Dino.

[quote][R111], I'm the one who said it in the other thread and that's not true about 50% from LI. You've got transplants, NJ, CT, Westchester, Brooklyn, Queens, The Bronx, Staten Island and Manhattan natives.

Most of the Long Guyland Italians are Brooklyn transplants who left when certain areas of Brooklyn were getting "too dark" for them during the 1960s and 1970s. I worked with a lot of Italian-Americans who lived in various areas of Long Island, most were racists.

That bitch probably killed her because she looked like a cross between Mama Cass Elliot and Michelle Phillips and no matter how hard she tried she couldn't sound like either one of them so took her rage out on the poor lady.

Somebody in the dm comments had a theory that was shit on but who knows. Maybe she pushed her out of the way to get the cab. Though not sure a cab was there at the time.

[quote]I worked with a lot of Italian-Americans who lived in various areas of Long Island, most were racists.

I'm surprised you knew some who weren't. There's nothing funnier or more ridiculous than the "speak English!" crowd with parents and grandparents who still speak only Italian with *some* English if you're lucky.

She probably did it because it’s the latest trend theses days to shove and attack strangers. I bet it made her feel superior like a queen cunt.

[quote]Maybe she was angry cause he had broken up with her because she had become a fat.

Or maybe he broke up with her because she's a fucking psycho.

Crack her skull on the sidewalk.

She takes the Bridezilla to the extreme. I guess planning a wedding was too stressful for this lady.

Has Nancy Grace weighed in on the Killer Cesspool Heiress yet?

R172 Knowing Nancy Grace, she's probably 100% convinced the husband did it.

[quote]Knowing Nancy Grace, she's probably 100% convinced the husband did it.

Did you not see Nancy's 10,000 reports on Tot Mom?

I have to agree with R135 and others who point out that the media is reporting her story incorrectly.

One report said she turned herself in. Wrong! This turd was ID'd through her NY transit card and police came knocking at her door first.

Before they dragged her out by the hair, she decided to come voluntarily.

I didn't know she called Barbara a "Bitch" before shoving her, but it sounds like her.

Did anyone post bail?

[quote]Did anyone post bail?

I sure didn't.

Listen up bridesmaids! Don't make me cunt punt you like I did that old biddy. We've got less than 3 months to get me my PERFECT DAY and I will not tolerate anything less! Next one to fuck this up and I will smack you so hard in your stupid face that you will die in less than 4 days. I DESERVE MY SPECIAL DAY!

The fiancé is entirely innocent of wrongdoing in this matter on account of he's hawt.

No, he's nawt.

This wasn’t random. She seemed to know her victim. Fry this fire crouched cunt !

[quote]I'm surprised you knew some who weren't. There's nothing funnier or more ridiculous than the "speak English!" crowd with parents and grandparents who still speak only Italian with *some* English if you're lucky.

Of course, you realize this behaviour is not only happening with Italians in the US, every ethnic group, and race, has their own insular communities. You damn well know that.

Have you been to different NYC boroughs? Astoria used to be all Greek, Ozone Park and Richmond Hill are heavily South Asian, Flushing is now mostly Chinese. You get the picture.

"This wasn’t random. She seemed to know her victim."

Sigh. Another idiot.

"Fry this fire crouched cunt!"

Oh, dear.

Here's his facebook page. And he's not an ex-fiancé. He married her. I have a feeling that got married right after the murder she committed.

I'm sure she'll get pregnant within the next year in the hopes a jury will feel to bad to send a young mother going to jail

[quote]That bitch probably killed her because she looked like a cross between Mama Cass Elliot and Michelle Phillips and no matter how hard she tried she couldn't sound like either one of them so took her rage out on the poor lady.

She actually looks like a cross between Mama Cass and Lady Gaga.

A much thinner murderess with one of her brothers.

Talk about consciousness of guilt. She deleted social media and quit her job.

If she had just hung tight, she might have been able to get off. There are no eyewitnesses, are there?

But there's a strong circumstantial case.

Whoa, they’re married? So he can’t be compelled to testify against her? They had the license lined up that quickly? I thought they were supposed to be married in June.

R162 made me LOL with that caption. I can’t believe that’s not a wig!

Family are getting bail together. It's going to be one million.

One of the articles which stated they might have known each other.

This article is quite incoherent. It was initially "suspected suicide"?! WTF? "The famous vocal coach was pushed to death on the street while she was waiting for a cab. Initially, it was suspected suicide but after observing CCTV footage, the authorities ruled it a homicide."

"However, her motive behind the murder has not been revealed yet. Reports say that she had Gustern as her own vocal coach as well. Many people suspect that the two of them might have a disagreement during their session."

R185, where does it say on his Facebook page he married her?

R187, there was a cyclist who helped Ms. Gustern into her building lobby. He might have seen something. There are also details that describe what the suspect was doing, throughout the evening. There is enough evidence to arrest her in another jurisdiction and charge her. Her best move is to take a plea and throw herself on the mercy of the court. A jury wouldn’t be a good idea, in my opinion.

I think there’s plenty of video evidence. They’ve got her dead to rights.

Where did you see that, R189?

If he did get married knowing she's a cold blooded killer, he must have something very wrong with him.

[quote] MEET BARBARAS KILLER - THE GLAMOROUS LAUREN PAZIEZA

Well, R195, I just did a Google search of the latest news, and so far, I see no evidence that they were married, as R185 claims, or that bail is $1 million, as R189 claims. I did read the judge set the bail at $500k.

So, based on the latest real information that can be found on Google, instead of the made-up shit either fools or liars are dreaming up on this thread:

The victim and the killer DID NOT know each other.

The killer and her fiancé did not secretly marry, unless there's some insider info that someone has yet to reveal the source of here.

The killer may or may not be a cesspool heiress.

Bail was set by the judge at $500k.

After she pushed her, she watched from across the street for about 20 minutes. Her fiancé was in the area

Manhattan ADA Justin McNabney said Tuesday the dying woman — while "bleeding profusely from the head" — recounted what had happened to a friend before losing consciousness. Gustern allegedly told a friend that her attacker approached her directly and shoved her "as hard as she had ever been hit in her life," the complaint states.

Police later used surveillance footage to track down their suspect and determined that she stayed in the area for more than 20 minutes after the attack and was spotted having a physical altercation with a man, believed to be her fiance, roughly seven minutes after the victim was shoved, the complaint states.

Thirteen minutes after the attack, Pazienza was allegedly seen watching the ambulance as it arrived in the area to help the victim and take her away. She and her fiancé allegedly left the area soon after and were seen entering New York City’s Penn Station 30 minutes later. Footage also captured her arriving at her Astoria home around 9:50 p.m. in the same clothes she wore at the scene.

Prosecutors further allege that Pazienza then took steps to avoid being caught, such as deleting her social media and her wedding website, fleeing to her parents’ Long Island home and stashing her cell phone at a relative’s home, the complaint states.

But police received at least two tips identifying Pazienza as their suspect.

When cops showed up at the family’s Long Island home, her father allegedly refused to let cops into the home and "and claimed that his daughter was not at home," McNabney said.

She then allegedly contacted her attorney who arranged for her to turn herself in.

According to the article, the victim was a vibrant lady who was still very active in her profession. She was well liked and kind . I hope this demon gets 10 years

It sounds like it was personal. Displaced aggression or just an evil person

[quote]Her lawyer is already claiming there is no proof she pushed her.

So she's going with the Jussie Smollett "I'm totally innocent" defense. That didn't work out very well for Jussie.

[quote]So, based on the latest real information that can be found on Google, instead of the made-up shit either fools or liars are dreaming up on this thread:

Yep, TROLL, people in this thread are "dreaming up" links to all the fucking articles which they got via GOOGLING! You sound like an utter moron.

Honestly, go fuck yourself.

r197 smell you Nancy Drew. Bail is $500k cash or $1m bond

So the neighbors make her sound like a bitch who probably has a reputation in the building for fighting with her boyfriend and even other tenants.

If someone I were engaged to did something like this, I’d break up with them immediately.

There are a million things couple can work through and survive. Almost anything is salvageable when it comes to the bottom line, but an incident such as this one is not.

Just the fact that she called an 87 year old woman who is a stranger to her a bitch, would have been enough for me to walk away from such a horrible woman, but to shove someone and casually walk away, and then hang back in the shadows as the victim bled into a coma and died of her injuries

Nope.

This chick isn’t mentally ill. She’s a monster who runs around living her life with ZERO self reflection, and gives ZERO fucks about anyone other than herself.

I suffer from anxiety and depression. I have issues, but you know what? You’re never ever going to find me pushing anyone of any sex or color or age on a sidewalk or anywhere else, calling them a bitch before a fatal shove.

Mental illness doesn’t make anyone a murderer. But entitlement sure AF does.

Who does this? Who. An entitled cunt or asshole, that’s who.

And remember, one doesn’t have to be wealthy to feel entitled, which this woman definitely felt even she thought is was even marginally acceptable to shove anyone as she made her way across the street.

The fiancé needs to dump her asap if he hasn’t already, because his neighbors are coming for him if she sticks around.

Oh brother, get a load of this one who wouldn't marry a killer; she really sets a high bar.

Go back to Reddit, honey, this isn't about you.

"If someone kills a random stranger I wouldn't marry them."

Picky.

[quote]If someone I were engaged to did something like this, I’d break up with them immediately.

You're so deep and philosophical, and obviously have a very sensitive moral compass. Thank you for your post. It gives us all a lot to think about.

You can shit talk all you want about R205, but she's a goddamned angel. I refer you to Paragraph 7:

"You’re never ever going to find me pushing anyone of any sex or color or age on a sidewalk or anywhere else, calling them a bitch before a fatal shove."

Now who here among you bitches can claim the same?

That's what I thought!

r203, if they weren't being dreamed up, then why don't they cite the evidence of their claims--eg, she had already married the fiancé? Now, why don't you go fuck yourself instead, you gash?

True, R209, but I'm very inspired by paragraph 3:

"There are a million things couple can work through and survive. Almost anything is salvageable when it comes to the bottom line, but an incident such as this one is not."

These, I think, are words to live by. (I'm tempted to steal these words and call them my own out in the real world, but then I think, "What would R205 do?" and I then know that would be wrong, so I won't.

R70, I'm not R24, but maybe because humans are wired to want to see a pattern or a story that wraps something up so it has an inner logic so we're better prepared. It's how the world makes sense to us. You're doing the same by the way if you are baselessly assuming that R24 only wants to rush to the killer's defense and not just understand her behavior better.

In R4 she looks like Lasy Gaga.

^Lady

Lazy Gaga

TI'm picturing the countless terrible things just short of cold-blooded murder that R205 is willing to tolerate in a partner in order to 'work through and survive':

"Babe, I know you didn't mean to spend my rent money on Chaturbate, or tear off all your clothes and start fucking that bus in the parking lot of the Mentally Handicapped Adult Apartments across the street, I know it was the bath salts talking. Babe the point is, we can get past this. It's salvageable. We have to keep our eyes on the bottom line, that's all, Babe."

What's happening with her apartment? Was it rent-controlled?

R217, her apartment in Astoria is owned by the fiancé. The DailyMail has all the details, haha.

^ I think he meant the dead vocal coach.

There's an old NYC joke about people reading the obituaries to try to get in quickly on rent controlled apartments.

I bet she’s an abusive cunt to the fiancé based on what the neighbors had to say. I’m looking footings hear more.

R194

Here's the Daily Mail quote:

"ADA McNabney argued in court that Pazienza was a serious flight risk after evading arrest for nearly two weeks, and asked that she be denied bail, but Judge Michael Gaffey declined and set bail at $500,000 cash, or $1 million if the amount is partially secured or paid by an insurance company.

As of early Tuesday evening, it did not appear that Pazienza had posted bond, but her attorney said that her parents were making arrangements to secure the funds as soon as possible. "

R197

See post above. The judge said it would be one million if secured by an insurance company. 500,000 Cash.

Does anyone wonder if Lauren thought that the cab Barbara was hailing was "hers"?

Barbara said a woman crossed the street, approached her directly, called her "bitch" and shoved her.

Obviously Lauren felt she had been personally insulted. But how? (Unless, of course, she's just plain nuts.)

I wonder if the victim observed the couple arguing and caught Pazienza's eye. Pazienza may have taken that as judgment for arguing in the street and decided to take her anger out on the vocal coach.

R224

That's a distinct possibility. Good call!

The DM reports that there was a physical altercation between Lauren and fiancé after the shoving. So perhaps they were arguing beforehand as well.

DM doesn't report.

[quote]Initially, it was suspected suicide

They've got that wrong, people who were with her were posting on Facebook that night and said she was shoved. She was also conscious enough at the beginning to be able to tell people what happened.

Some of the news reports on this are really sketchy.

I want this to end like the movie I Want to Live!

I’m still troubled by the rumor that the pusher was known in the neighborhood as a “troublemaker”. The comments from the Astoria neighbors bear that out. Pazienza worked in a store in Chelsea (after she quit Roche Bobois). Maybe Barbara had encountered her there and there was an altercation that Pazienza remembered and Gustern completely forgot about. Crazy cunts hold grudges. Possibility.

Who’s believing articles by showbizcorner.com?

The DailyMail always has the details and photos and interviews. They get the SCOOP. Those bitches have won me over. When it comes to American true crime, they dig deep and get the story.

Smell R210, the best they can do is call a gay man a "gash". This is school boy leveling trolling.

This freak will never admit that the posters in this thread got LOTS of conflicting reports from various news sources,

They then go on like the moron they are, "If they weren't being dreamed up, then why don't they cite the evidence of their claims". Several posters had already posted links from their sources, such as the website where there was speculation that the murderer was a former student of the vocal coach.

Now they want evidence?! Meanwhile, in the same breathe, they claim they don't care about knowing what the parents business is, what her neighbors had to say about her erratic behavior and other important information!

This loon is really grasping at straws. How sad for this freak. They cannot keep their bullshit straight.

r231, there's at least one person on this thread who has gone out of their way to antagonize people and derail the thread. They go from person to person, calling names and being offensive in hopes of getting attention.

It's happening on a lot of threads lately and I don't even know what the point of it is.

Shore Towers is an ugly 23 story condo building in Astoria Queens, it's overpriced, small and poorly constructed. Residents have to take a shuttle to the closest subway.

Over the years there have been a lot of code violations in this building. A friend rented there years ago, they were barely there a year, they went on to buy a much nicer and larger apartment on the LIC waterfront.

Most reports point to Naveen, the BF, owning the apartment. It's a little over 600 square feet. The apartment is tiny and on a low floor with no Manhattan skyline views.

At Shore Towers, owners can easily rent out their apartments, perhaps Naveen is simply renting.

[quote][R231], there's at least one person on this thread who has gone out of their way to antagonize people and derail the thread. They go from person to person, calling names and being offensive in hopes of getting attention. It's happening on a lot of threads lately and I don't even know what the point of it is.

It's obvious this person is a troll. I've been engaging them and I will stop.

As far as this tragedy, I initially went by whatever info was out there. I had already posted, each new report did get a bit more convoluted. For instance, it's clear the murderer is in no way any kind of NYC socialite.

Most New Yorkers are familiar with NYC socialites, the glamorous women who are always on The NY Times Sunday Styles party pages, at charitable events, gallery openings etc, this murderer is a total non-entity. She's nothing but another SATC type who moved to NYC in hopes of some kind of attention. Her father owns a cesspool business. Some socialite, it's obvious, these new journalists now use that term loosely.

The problem is with these so-called journalists not researching most of their information.

The NY Daily News was one of NYC's best newspapers, when they were sold a few years ago, they fired over 50 of their long time journalists, some of their former journalists won Pulitzer Prizes, their current crop of journalists seem like they are writing for their high school paper. The late Jimmy Breslin and Pete Hammill were former DN writers. Others who are still alive have moved on to The NY Times, such as Gail Collins.

The NY Daily News has become as bad as the NY Post. While the DN is definitely more liberal than the Right Wing NY Post, the new writers are awful and lot of this paper's content is re-printed from other newspapers. The typos are downright hilarious and sometimes the photos don't even mesh with the captions.

r233 according to the NYC ACRIS database, Naveen Periera purchased the apartment on August 12, 2019 for $540k with a $315k mortgage.

I’m guess the “known nut/troublemaker in the neighborhood” comment was a rumor, or something someone saw on a comment somewhere else and repeated it. That seem to come early on when the initial photo and video footage was released. There was a lot of guessing and speculation flying around then.

Pazienza. Pazienza? Socialite? A Pazienza from the North Shore? Is she an Italian Contessa? Philip, do you know a Contessa Pazienza on the North Shore? Yes, Long Island. No not Newport. Perhaps a guest of Otto Kahn? No?

If she only worked in Chelsea but lived far way I suppose she could still establish a reputation as a troublemaker in that area of NYC, but it seems less likely.

Liked the shallow, aggressive, irrational, prone to lashing out... too bad she wasn't a gay man she'd have fit in here perfectly.

Whether it’s she picked a stranger in a rage, she was a pissed-off ex-student of Barbara, she felt like her hailed cab was taken from her, she remembered Barbara from her shop, she was pissed at her fiancé, she was reminded of an abusive grandmother, nuts, entitled, yadda yadda… however you get to the point does nothing to change the point. She used deadly force in an act of rage clearly with intent to harm. And her target died.

The witness who helped Barbara immediately after the attack hearing Barbara says she had been approached by a woman she didn’t know and, “…hit harder than I’ve ever been hit in my life.” That’s going to be key testimony.

The defense might end up boiling down to, “She didn’t realize how hard she had pushed her.”

R241 Yes, I’d imagine as the event is picked apart in front of a jury they’ll eventually loose the ability to claim she didn’t really push her very hard.

Aidala is a good attorney, former prosecutor. I could see her taking a plea to criminally negligent homicide - that's up to 4 years. There could be a causation issue since she died some time later after hospitalization.

Manslaughter First Degree could have more issues.

Manslaughter in the first degree:

If your actions result in the death of another person even if that was not your intention . . . manslaughter is distinguishable from murder in that manslaughter is defined as causing someone's death without the intent to do so while murder requires intent. Manslaughter involves recklessness, negligence, or heat of passion.

Two of the most relevant essential elements of the offense:

With intent to cause serious physical injury to another person you do in fact cause the death of that person,

With intent to cause the death of another person you cause the death of such person or a third party while acting under the influence of extreme emotional disturbance

The government could have a problem proving intent with a manslaughter charge. Pushing someone out of the way, for instance, can be done without any intent to cause injury.

There will be lots of pre-trial litigation over whether to admit or exclude the purported words of the victim as relayed by her friend(s). Will be interesting.

If there are mental health issues then that will just make it more complicated for the prosecution.

What an awful way to leave the world. I'm glad it seems she had a good life.

Apartment living is not easy for many who grew up in a house. Could be the murderess was having constantly meltdowns over noise?

If Pazienza is on the spectrum, autistics cannot handle noise. Could be her noise issues then spilled out to other areas of her life. I'm not defending her at all, but constant noise is extremely disturbing to many who live in large noisy cities.

I work from home, have for many years. I live in co-op, the apartment above me was sold to a really noisy family. The apartment was sold over a year ago, for some reason, the family didn't move in until about 5-6 months ago. The noise started immediately. There have been complaints from the residents in the floors above and below this family. Not to mention, due to the construction of this building, noise can travel to other floors beyond the surrounding floors.

Their younger child is constantly making thud sounds from running, this starts at the same exact time every evening, the running goes on for literally three hours! The kid must have ADHD. In addition to the noisy child, there are chairs always moving, the kid also screams and there are loud arguments.

Why such a family would even consider buying an apartment is bizarre. People making this level of daily noise, need to buy a house way out in the boondocks, not subject others to their noisy lifestyle.

The co-op board is extremely strict. Perhaps they need to vet prospective buyers more deeply rather than worry about getting the large flip-tax from the former owners. This new family were already fined several times. A few more fines and the co-op board can legally, according to our bylaws, ask them to sell their apartment.

This happened to another resident in the co-op, a very noisy man who was always blasting music. Like the kid running at the same exact time every night, this man's stereo went on the same time every night. Sometimes we were spared on the weekends. One night, my heavy sofa was literally vibrating and moving, the music was that loud.

The security couldn't believe how large this guy's stereo speakers were. The jerk sure didn't need that level of power in an apartment. After many fines, the board gave him an ultimatum. Stop blasting thumping music or sell. The man sold his apartment. His love of noise seemed to outweigh having a beautiful spacious place to live! The new resident is quiet. Now the co-op is dealing with the noisy entitled Yuppie family. Hopefully, they'll be gone soon.

One of my neighbors has a bad temper, he told me he will go upstairs to complain directly. I advised him not to, but this new family is a huge nuisance. They obviously don't understand the meaning of "cooperate", especially in the context of co-op living.

The building is concrete and steel, it's not a new build. Reflected noise is a huge problem. That's why the board suggests to people who are a bit noisy, to have 80% of their apartment carpeted, especially their living room. Most new residents have wood or laminate floors. The smart decent new cooperators have something called Whisper Walk, a special kind of noise reduction padding, added under their wood floors.

I've lived in my co-op for quite awhile, I've never dealt with the level of noise the people above me are making. Just the stereo blaster and he didn't last very long.

I do notice the nastiness, superiority and an obvious sense of entitlement coming from the newer cooperators, so many are off the charts. These newbies also don't seem to respect a lot of the original residents, who are now quite old, some in their 80s and 90s. The co-op is over 50 years old.

Get a fucking blog, R244.

[quote]If someone I were engaged to did something like this, I’d break up with them immediately.

I'm not sure if this would do it for me. If they picked their teeth with a fork, then I'm out of there.

[quote]Get a fucking blog, [R244].

No TROLL. Why should I "get a blog"? What an original response. 😴 🥱 😴 Guess you know little about DL. Are you new here?

How about YOU stop responding to posts you don't want to read or simply don't agree with?

At DL there are tons of repetitious threads about unattractive pornstars personal lives, braindead reality show assholes and other such nonsense, but easily annoyed people like you have meltdowns over informative posts?

STFU and simply stop reading my posts! Or put me on Ignore.

EASY PEASY.

[quote] I'm the one who said it in the other thread and that's not true about 50% from LI. You've got transplants, NJ, CT, Westchester, Brooklyn, Queens, The Bronx, Staten Island and Manhattan natives.

On a given day 50% of people in Manhattan are from LI because of commuters & cops. Millions of people from LI work in the city and leave at 5pm. Then there are the young people who moved from LI to the city for a few years until they get married and move out.

What I don’t understand is if the police were tipped off to her whereabouts and went to the parents home and were denied entry, why didn’t they bring a search warrant? This is already on the defense’s terms. Law enforcement let a known murderer remain free until she was ready to turn herself in, which was a full 24 hours later. This is why I think she’ll walk with like a 6 month sentence.

I’d imagine the police and prosecutors knew who she was and where she was, well before the public did. I’d imagine they had her apartment in Astoria and her parents’ house in Port Jeff staked out, in case she tried to leave.

Why would that have any effect on the prosecution’s case?

At any rate, who’s going to hire her now? Even if she hadn’t intended to kill Ms. Gustern (I don’t think she did), she didn’t come forward until much later and after Ms. Gustern died.

Nobody wants to hire that. Maybe she can answer phones and keep the books for her dad’s cesspool kingdom.

They obviously didn't know for a fact where she was. That's why they were looking for her. Once she knew they wanted her she turned herself in pretty quickly.

R209 Well shit, consider me chastised. I did that Tuesday.

[quote] PR/events coordinator. . . Same kind of work as that woman who drove into a crowd in the Hamptons years ago . .

Not really. Lizzie Grumman was the daughter of one of Manhattan’s top entertainment lawyers. Her father had connections from Broadway to Tin Pan Alley, to Hollywood , to City Hall, Albany, DC, to Murder, Inc, as well as to guys who gather in social clubs in South Ozone Park. She grew up on Park Avenue, went to the best prep schools and was born into a social circle of high powered NYers who pretty much run the town nowadays, PR wise.

The Pazienza girl is from a working class family. Yes, her father does have more money than most working class people. I once worked with a woman whose husband owned a cesspool business. She worked in a hospital part time to get full time health benefits for her family She used to say “there’s a lot of money in shit.” She’s right, there is. People will pay you *anything* when their cesspools are overflowing. But the cesspool business is hooked in with the sanitation business, the “asbestos abatement” business, the recycling business…..you know what I mean. These are legitimate businesses but they have a network of paid overseers who are, shall we say, “security experts.” Though Lizzie Grubman’s father may have paid some people in this network to get some of his clients out of trouble, Lizzie’s father isn’t the same as Lauren’s father. Remember what Lizzie said when she tried to run over the off-duty fireman bouncer at the club in the Hamptons? She called him white trash.

Lizzie would definitely see Lauren’s daddy as white trash. Lizzie spent a few days in jail. Her insurance & her daddy paid off the people she hit with her SUV. Today, it’s as if nothing happened. She’s at the top of the PR heap making millions.

I don’t think Lauren will have the same outcome.

Buck would never marry a cesspool heiress.

Oh for crying out loud—Who hasn’t shoved a bitch in NYC?

She has a grifter vibe like "SoHo Karen" who accused a black teen of stealing her phone.

I suspect that this is just some bitchy chick with anger management issues. I don't think there is anything else here, other than the cunt needs to serve 10-20 years minimum (Would never happen)

Life in prison is really what she needs.

Lauren needs to be lowered by crane, cunt-first, on top of a sharp pike in front of an audience. Any lesser punishment is unforgivable.

She's a New Yorker. Enough said. There is a lot of rage in the city lately.

She blamed the vocal teacher for her not getting the lead in " Funny Girl."

OMFG! This cunt's cunt will be a pastrami sandwich by the time she gets out of the slammer.

[quote] What I don’t understand is if the police were tipped off to her whereabouts and went to the parents home and were denied entry, why didn’t they bring a search warrant?

Because of the constitution. Probable cause. Their house is not where their daughter lives. She has a legal address in Astoria. It’s not easy to get warrants to search white peoples homes. The parents haven’t committed a crime. When police ask if they can search the house they have a legal right to say no.

NB - You should ALWAYS SAY NO when police ask “can we come in your house & take a look around?” Same with your car. “Do you mind if I look around in your car? I just want to make sure everything’s ok.”……..NO.

So I don’t blame them for saying no. Keep your mouths shut & call a lawyer. It probably took a few days for to find out who are the best lawyers for this type of case i& to contact them and come to an agreement.

Hate all you want, they did exactly the right thing. All of you who plan to open your doors to police and answer any questions they have to clear up any problems & show how eager & innocent you are …..hahaha. Police are not your friends. Polucecwan5 to make an arrest and they’ll go to all kinds of lengths to close a case. They’re allowed to lie to you, so when they say, “if you don’t let us in it could be very bad for you. You could be facing charges”…..say you’re terribly sorry but that’s the choice you have made.

Let them get a warrant if they have probable cause. Let them file charges if charges are to be filed. Opening your door & answering questions isn’t going to help you at all if you’re innocent or guilty. That’s what any lawyer will tell you. “We’d like you to come to the station to answer some questions.”

“Of course, officers. I will contact my lawyer and we will make arrangements for that.”

“We’d like you to do it now. It might be bad for you if you dont.”

“Am I under arrest?”

“We’ll, you could face charges that will accumulate if you refuse to come with us.”

“I’ll take that chance. My lawyer will make arrangements for me to come to the station if it’s required of me.”

Boom. That’s it.

When it comes to police at your door asking to come in, say no.

Can’t you just say no—I don’t want to come to the station to answer any questions ever?

Not if Sipowitc is doing the "asking"

Just to pile on...

Very typical Long Islanders (and I'm from LI). Son is a Trumper (MAGA) based on a Facebook photo. Used to be a Personal Trainer (isn't everybody?) and has skinny legs. Now works at heavy machinery sales and rentals. Went to Suffolk Community.

Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.

Lizzie Grubman, what a perfect name btw!

What a blast from the past and possibly one of the ugliest so-called 'socialites' ever to grace the NYC gossip pages. That phony nasty bitch is damn ugly, inside and out. She's pure trash.

Money doesn't change the fact that she's a vile human being.

Is this true? "Today, it’s as if nothing happened. She’s at the top of the PR heap making millions." I never hear her name anymore, I have friends who work in PR, in the music and fashion biz.

[quote]Very typical Long Islanders (and I'm from LI). Son is a Trumper (MAGA) based on a Facebook photo. Used to be a Personal Trainer (isn't everybody?) and has skinny legs. Now works at heavy machinery sales and rentals. Went to Suffolk Community. Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.

Not a surprise the family are Trumpers.

Lots of Long Guylanders are MAGA assholes and racists. Certainly a family who owns a business. Business owners love their tax write-offs and ReThugs love nothing better than to give rich people more write-offs.

There are tons of European vacation pics at the mom's FB. Guess the obese father no longer actually works at his business.

The mom's FB pictures/posts are getting lots of comments.

[quote] If she had just hung tight, she might have been able to get off. There are no eyewitnesses, are there?

Duh.

Her friend was with her.

[quote] they’ll eventually loose the ability

Oh, dear!

[quote]What's happening with her apartment? Was it rent-controlled?

Sorry, but the apartment is owned by the killer's fiance.

I don't think this woman should get a pass, but I am curious about the whole thing. It looks like she had an argument with her fiancee, got into a fight, rushed out, shoved the woman and since she's an entitled cunt didn't look back and didn't care for the lady, though she was cold enough to look back and watch her being carried out on a stretcher. It looks like a sociopath or at the very least a narcissist at play.

I used to live in Port Jeff and I know exactly where that house is. Figure 800k.

A fiancee is female. He was her fiance.

R231, a virulent, nasty queen who began stupidly posting misinformation as far back as R84, and who was the same wimp who whined at R114 "don't berate me" for it, yet calls others "freak" and "troll" and "loon" and then has then nerve to say others "can't get their bullshit straight" when she is the Queen of misinformation! 😂😂

Bitch, youre blocked.

r273 Over two hundred replies to get to the likely truth-you bitches are slipping. This is a classic cluster B personality disorder outburst. I'd love to hear the neighbours' stories of her past behaviour.

My maternal side is shot through with bi-polar disorder and various cluster Bs-anti-social, narcissistic and borderline personality disorders-some diagnosed, some not.

Younger people recover from a stumble (like tripping over a crack in the pavement, for example) more easily.

Older people, whose strength has weakened, have a harder time recovering their balance from a stumble, and are more likely to fall as a result.

A younger person has more body strength, particularly in their legs, and they are much more likely to be able to recover from a stumble, rather than fall.

Barbara Gustern, being an elderly woman, most likely could not have maintained her balance after being pushed. Hitting her head on the payment was the worst possible result of that push.

I don't know the ages of the people on this thread, but I'm assuming that at least some of you have heaved a sigh of relief to not have fallen after you stumble, either at home, or out somewhere. The older you are, the more of a concern this becomes.

This series of events is particularly frightening for older people.

Lauren Pazienza WISHES she was Lizzie Grubman! *huh-rumph!*

R216, LMFAO!

Do you think she would have shoved someone twice her size? Never. She shoved a frail, elderly woman minding her own business. For that she should rot in hell.

[quote]Can’t you just say no—I don’t want to come to the station to answer any questions ever?

You never have to talk to the police. You can not be compelled to talk to them.

My former boss was murdered. The wife he was divorcing, refused to talk to the police when they came to her home to tell her that he was just found murdered. Her boyfriend answered the door and wouldn't let them in. She went out the next day and hired two lawyers who specialized in defending women who have murdered their husbands. The attorneys spoke with the police and told them they could give them a list of questions and she MIGHT answer them. She answered half of them. And that was the end of that.

She got away with murdering him. And she never said a word to the police. The police never even stood in the same room as her, ever.

I find that very odd, R282--unless they saw they had absolutely no case against her, otherwise they would have arrested her. In this case, Miss Cesspool Heiress saw they were coming for her and they were definitely going to take her in. She doesn't have to cooperate with them, but she couldn't refuse to be arrested, obviously.

She sucks shitty cesspools by the seashore.

If you say it 3 times fast you turn into Liza.

Falls to the pavement / head injuries can be unpredictable, even for young men. You can die from just one blow to the head.

Her defense will be intent, mental state, mens rea. I.e., did she intend to kill this woman?

[quote] Sorry, but the apartment is owned by the killer's fiance.

Bless your heart.

*sigh*

[quote] Her defense will be intent, mental state, mens rea. I.e., did she intend to kill this woman?

That doesn’t matter. She’s not being charged with intentional homicide, she’s being charged with manslaughter.

At its basest: You recklessly injured someone and they died. No intent necessary.

She intended to commit the act (pushing the woman.) That’s sufficient intent for manslaughter in many jurisdictions.

You never talk to cops, period. I’ve seen so many “murder TV” shows where the main suspect or an accomplice refused to talk to the cops. Sometimes they get away with it because, unless the person confessed, the cops have a very weak case.

Detectives are trained and know what they’re doing and saying at all times. The police department where I live has a Homicide Bureau that is (now) notorious for eliciting false confessions.

Think of this example:

The police come to your house and tell you your neighbor was killed gangland style and can you come down to the precinct and answer some questions. You reply, “Well; I certainly didn’t shoot him. I don’t own a gun and have never even held a gun in my life.”

Cops: “Who said he was shot? We didn’t say that. How did you know he was shot?” *commence stinkeye*

Also, when pulled over for a traffic violation, depending on the time of day they’ll ask, “Where are you coming from?”

Nunya fuckin’ bidness where I’m coming, going, or any other extra info. (Mind you that’s not going to get you out of a ticket, but I’m talking legally.)

R287, I don't want to argue, but even "reckless" is a legal "state of mind" or "mens rea."

I meant "mental state," not "state of mind." "Mens rea" is correct, though.

Yes, but it was easier to cut and paste and just leave that in, honestly. Which is precisely why I didn’t say “none of that matters.”

Words matter.

I gotchu, hun!

That “I gotchu” was referring to your post at r291.

In other words, I knew what you meant.

I want to hear what Debbie Harry has to say about this! Maybe Lauren was in a "rush, rush to the yayo."

Fun fact: In Lake Forest there was a real life cesspool heiress. She was homecoming Queen in the 70s. My mom got into an argument with her dad as he wanted us to pay for a length of rod that has broken off in our septic field as his crew was trying to open it up to get some drainage.

The killer should have dyed her hair like Judith Light did in Wife, Mother, Murderer.

That's a 26 year old? My god, I swore it was a 40-something Karen soccer mom.

People writing Long Guyland need to be respectful. The correct spelling is LAWN GUYLAND.

Don't forget about the 'pretending to be her own twin' part, R296.

R205 is spot on . Some people who are branded mentally I’ll are just plain evil .

Suspect is *NOT* married, but engaged. Wedding was to take place in June, but that's highly unlikely now. She also apparently has a very long history of anger management issues going back to elementary school.

In short she's just another angry white bitch who never got slapped down. Thus obviously felt entitled to do whatever fuck she wanted, and this incident was result.

Is she white? I thought she was Italian.

"She had to turn herself in. Goes to show how useless the NYPD is. Detectives couldn’t locate her or didn’t try very hard."

Another country bumpkin running his mouth about matters he knows fuck about.

NYPD knew where she lived (Astoria, Queens), and were in process of tracking her down since she fled that location.

"Detectives were able to track the pair back to their home in Astoria, as video from about an hour and a half after the attack showed Pazienza and her fiancé enter their building. She was wearing the same clothes as the woman seen crossing Ninth Avenue immediately following the attack, prosecutors said."

Any couple fighting in public should not be getting married. That includes JFK Jr and his wife.

Mrs. Gustern survived living in NYC through 1960's through 1980's when UWS like rest of city was far more dangerous place. Only to die after a random attack in this supposedly safe and clean modern NYC.

You sound illiterate.

[Quote] “I felt horrible about the situation but I wasn’t surprised,” one woman who lives in the doorman building told The Post Wednesday. “There was always an issue with her and someone in the building,” the neighbor continued. “It’s like always something with that lady. I feel for her fiancé because he’s a nice guy and he didn’t sign up for this.”

Why do I think this quote is from the fiance and not "one woman who lives in the doorman building."

[Quote] defense attorney Arthur Aidala — who said the family would spring her from jail as soon as they can get the bail package together.

"Spring her from jail." Lol.

According to the NY Post article, she and the fiance had been together since high school. I think the fiance is a dumbass for staying with her that long. He should take this God-given opportunity to back the fuck out of the engagement.

Make that

"Mrs. Gustern survived living in NYC from 1960's through 1980's ".

This site needs an edit post function.

Funeral is scheduled for 26 March 2022

The fiance is a brown person. Could he be self hating?

R306

And you sound like some aspie incel

Fact no sane white guy would go near Lauren Pazienza speaks volumes. That she and Naveen Pereira have been dating for decades apparently and only just getting married this year also is telling. Poor slob either is deeply in love, and or just couldn't do any better.

Manhattan DA Bragg likely won't go down that road, but would be interesting to know if Naveen Pereira saw what went down and failed to report crime to LE. That would leave him open to charges of conspiracy, but again don't think Bragg will take things that far.

Her face is annoying.

Angry Italian bitches are a handful, and many Italian men either run other way, or find ways of coping (yes, even if this means slapping her around).

Janice Soprano fits that sort of category. Spoiled rotten as a young girl, she grew up to be a controlling, bullying, dominating ball busting bitch.

[quote]Who is Lauren Pazienza?

Isn't Pazienza the name of the demon in "The Exorcist"?

[quote] The fiance is a brown person. Could he be self hating?

He’s catholic. She’s catholic. It’s not a big deal.

"She worked various marketing gigs, most recently for upscale French furniture firm Roche Bobois. But she quit in December, apparently after she realized she hit her “ceiling” there, according to her lawyer."

Translation: they realized she was too much of an angry asshole so she had no future there.

Too bad that's not all she hit.

She looks like the creepy menstrual tea girl in Midsommar.

I’m surprised she didn’t post the aftermath on TikTok for “likes.”

[quote] would be interesting to know if Naveen Pereira saw what went down and failed to report crime to LE. That would leave him open to charges of conspiracy,

I don't think that's what a conspiracy is.

It isn't. He didn't conspire with the cesspool heiress to push the victim.

Coming soon: an all trans post-punk band called the Cesspool Heiresses

A real "heiress", even of the shit tank variety, would be able to post bail.

I wouldn't care how my family made money, as long as it's legal and doesn't hurt anybody.

The septic business is huge on Long Island. Very little if Suffolk County is in sewers. Houses on 1/4 acre lots have cesspools. It’s insane. There were areas that always reeked after a heavy rain. Long Island is basically a sand bar, so there’s drainage into the surrounding waters.

When it said she was engaged I knew he would be dark skinned. People feeling sorry for him shouldn't, he stayed with her despite her nasty temper because like most dark skinned straight men he prioritizes whiteness, especially if the woman in question is blonde or red headed. I've seen it so many times it's practically a stereotype.

I also concur with the posters who said she's just a nasty bitch. Victim was probably just in her way so she pushed her out of the way not thinking/caring if it could kill the victim. Just total disregard for anyone but herself. Vile piece of shit.

If you take someones life like that, you forfeit your own.

]quote]“There was always an issue with her and someone in the building,” the neighbor continued. “It’s like always something with that lady. I feel for her fiancé because he’s a nice guy and he didn’t sign up for this.”

Actually, it's exactly what he signed up for.

It won't surprise me if this guy sticks around, like Keith Papini sticking beside his lying wife, these guys seem to need this element of crazy in their life.

That was Pazuzu R316

Pazuzu had filthy mouth..

R313 Holy shit! She did look like Lady Gaga before the weight gain.

R310, the deceased was one of those people in New York who contributed to the life of city. Helped many in their careers and was volunteering at Holy Apostles soup kitchen in Chelsea. It distributes meals to the poor five days a week.

Her attacker apparently was truly the opposite. Selfish, harmful, a taker. Ugh, her horrible probably mobbed-up family as well.

I don’t know why you’re all focused on first or second degree manslaughter when there are more important things to discuss.

For example, with the right writer and some clever prosthetics, this could be the role to make Melissa Beth Miller a star.

Diamanda Galas on Facebook:

“GUILTY!

The citizens of NY know a bug when they see one. NYC has big bugs: and they are easy to see.

Do not let anyone hand you the bulls**t line, ‘We must assume Lauren Pazienza is innocent until proved guilty.’ Cowards talk like that. They are afraid of their own vacuum cleaners.

Pazienza is guilty. Let all the rich folks she hangs with protest her innocence. Let her defense lawyer say that someone tripped and Barbara died because of it. Let him say that ‘pushing someone onto the sidewalk is not the same as throwing them under a train.’

Listen to fools say that because she was 87 years old, that Barbara Maier, who walked miles every day, was frail. Wirey does not mean ‘frail.’

Don't refer to Barbara as an old lady. She was anything but an old lady. She was tough. She worked ten hours a day and worked on Broadway and the theatre, and then she would go to see a student perform at the end of the day. You call that frail?

Do not be impressed with the mewings of the crawlers who say about the perpetrator, ‘But this is her first offense. We need to understand why.’ We do not need to understand why. There is no good reason.

‘But she was a member in good standing among the cognoscenti. A sophisticate. An event planner!’ There are plenty of the cognoscenti who should be locked up.

At the drop of a hat, a poor man or woman will be arrested and thrown in jail for what? For holding some painkillers.

This is a murder.

The clothes Pazienza wore at the killing are the same clothes she wore entering her boyfriend's building hours later. She hid out at her parents' house until her lawyer convinced her that turning herself in would enable a lighter sentence.

If anyone one feels strongly about seeing her released, you have only to help with the bail money. Put up your house!

Did she forget to take her Prozac that day? That's the reason!

The Post just referred to her as a fiery redhead. I guess The Post thinks that murderesses are sex objects.

There is far too much evidence that Pazienza is a killer.

Think of the blood of an innocent woman. Think of Barbara Maier and her suffering on those last days in the hospital.

Think of how much she gave the city of New York. She is missed by hundreds of people who are wondering how to continue their lives without her.

And do not spread your ‘reasonable doubts’ around the city because you have nothing else to do. There is a jury in the city. They don't need to hear that caterwauling.

Heavy time was named after persons like Lauren Pazienza.

COME, JUSTICE.“

If only Diamanda Galas could simply do away with Lauren Paziena with one of her famous stare downs!

Love Diamanda, her music is not for the squeamish.

[quote]For example, with the right writer and some clever prosthetics, this could be the role to make Melissa Beth Miller a star.

Oh, Beanie, surely.

Kate Mara.

Isn’t “Long Island Cesspool Mogul “ synonymous with “mobster”?

[quote]For example, with the right writer and some clever prosthetics, this could be the role to make Melissa Beth Miller a star.

The murderer looks so much like Lady Gaga. This will be the role where she'd finally get that Oscar!

Yet, again, why are these news reporters calling Lauren Pazienza a "socialite"?

Because it suits their narrative.

She only worked in a shop, ya know.

I suspect they're calling her a "socialite" because it's sarcastically funny in a "slim pins" kind of way, and also they hope it will keep her dad -- who totally doesn't look like Tony Soprano at all -- from breaking their kneecaps.

[quote] She only worked in a shop, ya know.

So a shopalite?

They use “socialite” to drum up the public’s outrage, anger, and jealousy. It makes you immediately think of “entitled bitch,” and that’s what they want you to think.

Get a grip on yourself R336. This is a gay gossip board, not Atticus Finch’s steamy courtroom. The woman will take a plea. She needs to never take the witness stand and never talk to media, like Brian Laundrie’s parents. Let the lawyer do the talking and the focus will die down in a few months. If she’s smart she’ll have her lawyer claim she has a drug problem she acquired after dental surgery or an injury. He’ll say she wants to go to rehab & turn her life around. She’ll do some time, get “rehab.”

Then she’ll come out of prison and talk about how prison saved her life and how she regrets she didn’t get help before the victim lost her life, but those drugs totally messed her up. Drugs bad! Drug companies are evil!

That's quote, r348. Not a DLer.

Have Tony and Carmela posted bail for Meadow yet?

By the time she gets out of jail her labias will be dragging ten feet behind her.

R348 Please look up Diamanda Galas (a client of the victim).

I love the Pazuzu angle here. It’s hysterical and I laugh every single time.

Fitting for such a devil cunt. Had the “she was one of her voice students!” troll finally moved on? I haven’t seen it lately.

*Has

R348 has reading comprehension problems, poor dumb thing. And her theory of how all this go is dodgy at the least.

[quote] The Post just referred to her as a fiery redhead. I guess The Post thinks that murderesses are sex objects.

R336, why do you think that's a sexual description? Fiery redhead refers to temperament not sexual behavior.

You have a one track mind. You must be male.

R348 Nah, this one won't go away. The mob is out for her head and they will get it. She fucked up more than she can even imagine.

[quote]Get a grip on yourself [R336].

You need to get a grip!

I swear, reading comprehension [bold]no longer exists on DL! [/bold]

That was not R336's post, it was copied from the singer Diamanda Galas' Facebook. "Diamanda Galas on Facebook: “GUILTY! The citizens of NY know a bug when they see one. NYC has big bugs: and they are easy to see." Didn't you notice the quote marks?!

The avant-garde singer was a student of the murdered vocal coach.

I'm gathering my yarn and needles for the trial.

In NYC, there’s a code of conduct. If you see someone stumble or fall, you wait a beat or slow down to see out of the corner of your eye. If they recover quickly and look sheepish or annoyed, you pretend you didn’t notice and you keep going.

If they are in the least bit of distress, people will rush to be the first to help.

Get a load of that promo shot of 66 year old Diamanda Galás. I must have been guilt tripped into attending several events featuring this exotic songstress in the AIDS era. Let me tell you, Yma Sumac she is not.

[quote]In NYC, there’s a code of conduct. If you see someone stumble or fall, you wait a beat or slow down to see out of the corner of your eye. If they recover quickly and look sheepish or annoyed, you pretend you didn’t notice and you keep going. If they are in the least bit of distress, people will rush to be the first to help.

That's the New York of the past. Unfortunately.

From what I understand (correct me if I'm wrong), she crossed the street to assault the woman. Which would seem to lift this into pre-meditated behavior. She didn't impulsively shove her - she went out of her way to do it.

I agree with R357 - she's fucked forever.

Holy shit, r361! I’ve never heard anything like this before:

The fiancé and his whole family is sticking by her side (sorry for the Fox News link, it says they are still together and he and his family fully support her).

So the cesspool heiress is still in Rikers as of tonight?

They're together? Someone posted bail?

[quote]I agree with [R357] - she's fucked forever.

We can only hope.

[quote]The fiancé and his whole family is sticking by her side.

Sure he is. I give their "engagement" less than a week.

Maybe the fiance and his family are afraid of Septic Tank Daddy and his connections.

I hope she gets shanked in prison.

R367, I wouldn't open the link because it's Fox News, but the article's little capsule summary says that even while in Rikers her family supports her, so I assume she's still locked up, and I hope it's totally crushing her to be there. I was merely asking before if she was still in Rikers. She seems to be.

[quote]I was merely asking before if she was still in Rikers. She seems to be.

What kind of socialite cesspool heiress can't even make bail?

Does Rikers have heated rollers?

The sleazebag lawyer says she will be freed on bond in a couple days. We'll see how long it takes. No doubt it's killing her family to see their cesspool princess in the slammer.

Nasty spoiled cunt. I don’t know her, but I know the type that some claim she is. And yes, those LI princesses who come to the city to work and live and traipse around the city for a few years before they go back to their boxes made of ticky-tacky and become fat fraus.

He should be prosecuted, too. He aided and abetted a fugitive. They aren’t married, so he can’t claim spousal privilege.

Yma Sumac, real name: Zoila Augusta Emperatriz Chávarri del Castillo.

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Lauren Pazienza remains in stir. but she's "hanging tough" according to her attorney.

Meanwhile Pazienza family is still trying to raise $500k cash or the one million bond to bail this nasty piece of work out of jail.

"Aidala said Pazienza’s family was “working hard” at bailing her out with $500,000 cash over a $1 million bond and did not know if they could come up with the cash this week."

Apparently owners of cesspool businesses don't have large sums of cash lying about spare.

Unless it's heavily mortgaged Mr. and Mrs. Pazienza must own a home or other property that would be acceptable for bail.

On another note now some of you may understand why liberal socialist democrats in NY and elsewhere have been on warpath against cash bail. If scion of a white middle class (or slightly above) family can't raise bail, think what happens to minorities of all sorts including people of color, trans, etc...

Whenever I see pictures of the 87-year-old victim, I just shake my head at this whole thing. There is one photo where she looked so happy. I wonder if we will ever get the truth as to why the 26-year-old did this.

Yes, the Daily Mail truly is the DL paper of record. Not sure why the felt the need to move from cesspool to “septic service business” however

Though often used interchangeably cesspool and septic tank are two different things. However a company that specializes in one would also know the other.

I'm no rich socialite, but I could get together that money in a day if I needed to, they can't be that rich. I know my Fidelity account will let me liquidate if needed in an emergency, though I'd never do it for some sicko like this woman, maybe her family has the money but knows it will be lost if she flees.

Lauren Pazienza is an alumni of Fashion Institute of Technology (FIT) in NYC. Should have known... place long has been considered college of choice for those who cannot get in anywhere else.

Leaving fashion aspect aside, and yes many famous designers and other in the business have graduated or at least attended FIT, overall place is largely full of young women (and gays) big on dreams and short on actual talent.

Know several people who went to FIT (for two year associate degrees, which was largely all place offered at time), then tried to go on for B of S. Every college they tried to transfer credits to told them basically their FIT course credits were rubbish. Things like liberal arts, math, some sciences, foreign languages, etc... would transfer, but basically these people had to take another year to year and one half of courses before starting upper level work.

R378, most common skels don’t get $1million bail. More like $500.00.

And good many can't even pay that small amount either..

FIT has a lovely campus in the Chelsea area. I usually eat lunch there outside in the Summer if I happen to be in the neighborhood.

Decades ago I adjuncted one course for them. It was a more or less forgettable experience except I didn't like the students and when asked a few years later to do it again I didn't even bother to respond to the email. Which is unusual for me but I really just wrote them off. There was something about it. And in those days I was always up for making a little extra cash and doing a evening class didn't take much effort. But at some intuitive level I just said " not there."

[quote]Yma Sumac, real name: Zoila Augusta Emperatriz Chávarri del Castillo.

At one time rumored to actually be Amy Camus (read the names backward) of Queens, N.Y.

R378 You made a good point until you added the trans bullshit, that doesn’t belong on this thread.

Broh! Run! RUN, AS FAST AS YOU CAN !!!

r377 that article is a thing of beauty: "daughter of a septic service mogul, and enjoyed living the high life at swanky parties before landing behind bars."

^^ Oooh, swanky parties! Like something out of a 1930s screwball comedy! ^^

This cunt was photographed at a couple of gallery openings. If that makes you a socialite, I am the ghost of Daisy Buchanan's hymen

r381 the DL paper of record needs more reporters like you. They appear to be taking liberties by using "septic service" and "cesspool" interchangeably. However, for three generations in Suffolk County, the Pazeinza family name has been inextricably linked to cesspools.

[quote]Her father Daniel owns a prosperous third-generation cesspool draining company, and claims on the company website that it was voted No. 1 in both price and service in Suffolk County for several years running. In addition to pumping services, the company provides cesspool installations, grease trap installations, septic tank installations, storm drains and catch basin installations. 'At Dan Pazienza Cesspool Service we pride ourselves on being Suffolk County's most advanced cesspool service. We have been serving Suffolk County for over 3 generations,' the website boasts.

Bitter immigrant.

To the cesspool born.

The press is still going with this fake narrative that this murderer came from some type of "affluent" family? Do they know the meaning of affluent?

Give me a break, she's just another spoiled Long Guyland airhead who comes from a family with possible mob-ties.

Seems she was trying to live some sort of SATC dream in NYC, but ended up living in a tiny condo in Astoria Queens, which she doesn't even own. Her BF's parents own the apartment. It's all smoke and mirrors and the press sure isn't helping.

It's quite clear she's not a socialite, just another delusional wannabe from the NY suburbs! NYC is filled with the types of women. Only difference, this one is psychotic.

Tell me, would an 'affluent family' live in this type of house?

Most of my relatives who live in the NYC suburbs, upstate NY and in Westchester, own homes which are much nicer that this. This ugly house isn't even brick. Tacky.

Something tells me, if her parents don't have mob ties, they are living beyond their means, especially taking all those Euro vacations. That might explain the cheap looking house.

[quote]The press is still going with this fake narrative that this murderer came from some type of "affluent" family? Do they know the meaning of affluent?

She's far closer to effluent.

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Why is Caroline Pazienza wearing a giant ginger wig?

God, she is really… breathtaking.

[quote]The fiancé and his whole family is sticking by her side

Probably because he was involved. From what we know, it sounds like they were fighting, and I'm guessing that she thought Gunsten had given them the stink-eye or said something about their fighting, so she crossed the street and called her a bitch and shoved her. We know she stuck around to see Gunsten being taken away in an ambulance, I'm guessing he did, as well, then he of course never turned her in.

Their story is going to be that it was an accidental bump and they had no idea the woman had been seriously hurt. It helps the story if the families are sticking by everyone because their darling children could NEVER have done anything like this on purpose.

She went to the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York, there are all those photos of her trying to look like a rich girl on fabulous vacations and attending society parties, and has the same lawyer Roger Ailes and other rich assholes retained. That's enough for newspapers to call her a socialite or an heiress.

Good lord those Daily Mail videos are creepy. This girl has been a psycho for a long time. She needed to be held accountable about 500 times in her life but never was, and it escalated to murder.

[quote]Their story is going to be that it was an accidental bump and they had no idea the woman had been seriously hurt. It helps the story if the families are sticking by everyone because their darling children could NEVER have done anything like this on purpose.

However, it was all over the media that the vocal coach was not exactly doing well, the murderer surely saw all the news reports and her picture eon the news, she was in hiding for quite awhile.

Now it's emerging this loon has been problematic since she was a child and recently has been causing problems in her building. The videos of her mocking deaf people sure aren't helping. She looks unhinged.

Wonder why the BF stuck around all these years, no gag reflex, a trick pelvis? Seriously, why stick around with such a disturbed person.

Pretty sure the BF will also have some charges brought against him, her family should too.

Beotch needs to fry!

Seems NYC is turning into the Wild West, nut jobs like this Pazienza creep assaulting little old ladies, random subway attacks almost daily, recently a 13 year old girl in the Bronx was minding her own business when she received a horrendous beating because the gang who assaulted her thought she was someone else, it goes on and on.

Exactly what is being done? They finally gave the shit thrower jail time, that lunatic told the cops, "They'd better keep me in Rikers, because the next thing I do will really shake up the city!" I'm paraphrasing what that disgusting freak said.

Meanwhile, Mayor Adams is allowing athletes who don't want to get vaccinated to play, while firing how many city workers for doing the same? Adams stated these already fired e workers will not be re-hired. You cannot have two sets of rules, why, because the athletes are rich?

After visiting my mom a few nights ago, I was walking to the subway. My mom lives in an area of private houses, apartment buildings and some new buildings which are condos.

A disheveled man was walking down the street towards me and screaming at the top of his lungs, "I'm gonna kill all these motherfuckers! KILLLL THEM ALL" It wasn't very late, about 10PM, but the street was sort of desolate. You bet your ass I crossed that damn street immediately then started running to the subway.

Is it time for New Yorkers to start carrying switch blades or get a gun? You tell me.

She’s no socialite or rich girl, anyone can see through that. But does fall into the affluent and entitled category… “comfortable,” shall we say?

Still, many press outlets will keep gunning up socialite and rich bitch angle because it makes a great story.

Sad fact: the family probably secretly loves it because it makes them seem to have status.

Rotten, rotten, rotten…

All of this assault and then..........Funny Girl. When will it end?

Her mom showing up to the arraignment in a cocktail dress and strange, ratty wig was hilarious. Weird, but hilarious.

LOVE this: "According to the former friend: 'She's the poster child for white privilege. She never faced any consequences in her life. She was enabled by her parents who got her out of everything, but she called them stupid and basic."

Talk about delusions of grandeur. This crazy bitch was sure happy when mummy and daddy paid for her expensive vacations, sports car and general lifestyle, yet, she was embarrassed by her actual background.

This is very typical behavior of Italian-Americans who were formerly from Brooklyn, the ones who moved to the suburbs over the years.

R401 "Their story is going to be that it was an accidental bump"

The victim said when she was still lucid that it was the hardest she was ever hit in her life. Doesn't sound anything like an accidental bump .

Her boyfriend is psychologically dependent on her, probably emotionally abused or even physically so. He will be charged with aiding her after the fact and the prosecution will use that to get him to testify against her for no time.

The only thing that might prevent happening is a mob threat to him and his family engineered by her parents. But do they have that type of influence? It would be great her parents brought up on charges of subverting the course of justice etc if they tried that however.

The DM article is amazing! Her parents must be proud, they raised and enabled this monster!

From reading about her behaviour over the years, it's extremely clear this woman always had mental health issues, which, apparently, her parents sure didn't deal with. They just threw money and things at this crazy bitch.

"None of this is surprising to her former friend who said simply, 'she has no empathy,' and never showed any remorse for her bad acts during her time as a student at FIT. In fact, Pazienza was, the former friend said, prone to mocking people and spoke in a derogatory manner, they said 'about fat people and deaf people…anyone.' In another video she is filmed in her dorm room in bra and jacket behaving in a bizarre and, the source said, attention-grabbing manner. They continued: 'She's not a good person. She has a fiancé, and she went to high school, and she went to college but none of these parts of her life were normal.'

Unpredictable and confrontational, the first source described Pazienza as, 'abusive to her boyfriend [now fiancé Naveen Pereira] on multiple occasions.' They added: 'She cheated on him multiple occasions. He was reserved and very kind and seemed annoyed with her when I met him and fearful of her. 'She was a very manipulative person.' The friend watched with increasing unease, they said, as Pazienza's 'reckless' behavior escalated. 'I witnessed her behave recklessly. She would throw herself in front of cars in the street. She was a complete wildcard,' she source said. 'I believe she was in control of her behavior. I saw her get so drunk she pissed herself, but I don't think any of it was drug related. 'She was cold and calculated,' they added.

As time passed they grew to fear Pazienza who, the classmate said, took to 'spying' on them. 'I would see feet beneath my door in my dorm and open it to see her running away down the hallway. It freaked me out,' the friend said. Asked to sum up their former friend, the classmate said: 'She was a predator…and I was very relieved when she was out of my life.' According to the source, they detached from Pazienza because of growing alarm at her behavior. And while they have not been surprised by recent events, they said: 'I've been very disturbed and very creeped out to think that person had any space in my life.'

The second source said: 'There's no way that she meant to kill a person. I don't think that for a minute. 'But I can totally see that if she was having a bad day and somebody was in front of her, walking too slow, she would push them. That's the kind of edge she has. 'She's a danger.'

Though Pazienza she appears to have lived a life of privilege, and later glamour in New York City's high society, neighbors told the New York Post that she was sharp-tempered and confrontational, and an elementary classmate has claimed she bullied fellow students.

A former classmate of Pazienza told Fox News that when he moved in down the street from her in second grade, she began bullying him. The classmate claimed that she always had a 'crazy look in her eyes' and would kick him and call him and other kids names.

r404 and r412, I never said I believed it was an accidental bump! I'm saying she's going to claim that's what it was.

Not sure why I have to explain this, but since at least two people have chided me for what I said, I guess I do.

I’m surprised the DA’s office is going ahead with this case. Pazienzas should just pay that money to Bragg instead of that lawyer. He’ll drop the case.

Ask Pomerantz.

More re her confrontations in her BF's family's Astoria condo building:

One neighbor said Pazienza argued with the building management about issues like parking tickets, but that it never got physical. 'It was verbal. Sometimes she would stand up for herself, definitely,' said the woman. 'She will not put up with nonsense … she will say, 'What is your problem?' 'What do you want from me?'"

(Parking tickets? Condos and co-ops usually have onsite parking lots, which residents can acquire for a yearly fee. As usual, the DM isn't very clear about [bold]why or how condo residents would be fined for parking violations. [/bold]. Unless this unhinged creep parked in another resident's spot, then the condo fined her. That's believable. )

"There was always an issue with her and someone in the building" one neighbor told the outlet. "It's like always something with that lady. I feel for her fiancé because he's a nice guy and he didn't sign up for this.'"

Sounds like the BF has some mental issues of his own. Very low self-esteem, for one.

If Pazienza stayed to watch Gustern be put into an ambulance, surely she can't claim ignorance that she'd seriously injured Gustern? The victim was initially conscious after the attack but she lost consciousness. That would be apparent to an observer.

There’s something wrong with the fiancé. He’s so thrilled to have some white snatch and probably likes being bossed around. I don’t understand those men, but I know a few. They like the drama? They like being owned by a bossy bitch? He doesn’t WANT a nice stable woman. If he wanted one, he could have one. He’s

I’ll bet a million Scooby snacks that this girl’s parents have the same dynamic.

R410, that’s her real hair. Those gals have a lot of hair.

[Quote] I never said I believed it was an accidental bump! I'm saying she's going to claim that's what it was. Not sure why I have to explain this, but since at least two people have chided me for what I said, I guess I do.

Wasn't Pazienza observed crossing the street to call Gustern a bitch and to shove her? If Pazienza and Perreira left together, she wouldn't have crossed the street alone.

[Quote] that’s her real hair. Those gals have a lot of hair.

Store bought hair.

I blame Lena Dunham for all of this.

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[quote] "In fact, Pazienza was, the former friend said, prone to mocking people and spoke in a derogatory manner, they said 'about fat people and deaf people…anyone.' "

So, she mocked fat people, huh? Has this ugly bug-eyed lunatic looked in a mirror lately. What delusional behavior.

I worked with a guy like this, he was also a redhead. This annoying hateful man was always putting people down in the department, never had one nice word to say about anyone. He thrived on creating fake drama and was always insulting people, even going as far as making fun of a work colleague's toddler who was in the office one day. There was always off the wall nonsense.

It was obvious this man thrived on chaos and was an attention seeker. He was was short and fat. When the woman with the toddler was pregnant, he told her, "You are getting too fat!"

It was easy to figure he mocked others before people got the chance to point out his own many imperfections. This behavior seems to similar to what this weirdo Pazienza was doing her entire life. Taunt others, so they wouldn't point out how disgusting and evil she was. This behavior points to an odd combination of arrogance and insecurity.

So, Miss Thunder Thighs was mocking others?! What a joke.

On a side note, I think her parents raised this little Princess to marry a man with money. They must be supremely disappointed that she was going to marry a call center dude.

My first partner got his degree in art from the Ringling School in Florida and then got a further degree from FIT. His first mentor taught him how to design for showgirls and for elephants. He was a successful sixth avenue designer and loved his work as a successful off Broadway designer. He wanted to design for Broadway but that was kind of a closed club. You needed the right connections. He probably designed that London Fog raincoat your grandfather wore. His military benefits from his service in Korea paid his way through art school.

Oh my dear George. So hot. So butch. Lost him in the first wave in 1986.

[quote] I never said I believed it was an accidental bump! I'm saying she's going to claim that's what it was. Not sure why I have to explain this, but since at least two people have chided me for what I said, I guess I do.

Huh? I never said YOU posted it was an accidental bump, you need to respond to some other poster, not me.

From the DM article, it obvious this bitch has been abusing others her entire life. Even as child, she was violent. I sure would never defend this wacko.

Didn't you read this from the DM link? "The second source said: 'There's no way that she meant to kill a person. I don't think that for a minute. [bold]'But I can totally see that if she was having a bad day and somebody was in front of her, walking too slow, she would push them. That's the kind of edge she has. 'She's a danger.' [/bold]

No, r404/r428, you quoted my post and I was replying back to you. I said they're going to claim they had no idea the woman had been seriously hurt, and you said but "it was all over the media that the vocal coach was not exactly doing well."

I am aware that it was all over the media.

What I am saying at r401 is that this lady and her boyfriend are going to lie, and both their families are going to back them up.

[quote] What I am saying at [R401] is that this lady and her boyfriend are going to lie, and both their families are going to back them up.

Yes, exactly, but unfortunately for them there are multiple eyewitnesses who will testify to just what happened.

Definitely, r430. Her attorney already told the DM that there is no proof that she pushed Gustern, but I suspect that as evidence comes in, that same attorney in a few weeks is going to suggest she takes a plea deal.

How affluent can they possibly be if they can't come up with 500k bail?

Like the DLer upthread, I too could come up with that and I'm not affluent.

Well, smell you.

Out of the frying pan and into the cesspool!

[quote]I blame Lena Dunham for all of this.

Nay, Lens came from an actual creative artistic NYC background, both parents are successful and known downtown NYC artists. I cannot stand Lens, but I don't get any sort of trust fund hipster or an actual creative vibe from this delusional lunatic.

Pazienza comes across like yet another spoiled brat from Long Guyland. a person who thought she was something she surely wasn't. What was her actual talent?

I went to several art schools, in NYC and in England. I'm lucky to have worked in creative fields my entire working life. Years ago, at 14-15, you needed a portfolio to even apply to an art high school. This was needed to apply to Manhattan's prestigious art high school, The High School of Art & Design. Many talented, successful and famous people graduated from that school. Now all these NYC art colleges are just interested in any fool who can pay for the classes, even the current teachers aren't as good as the ones who used to teach at these art and fashion colleges.

Anyway, don't blame Lens, blame those empty-headed SATC tramps.

I hope she’s having a rough time in the slammer. Will she be in a single cell or in a group environment?

I can guarantee you that when she takes the plea deal and gets 10 years, the Italian family is going to start screaming "Shame! How could you!"

She sounds like she has anxiety and depression underneath it all, and should have been on meds to control that temper.

They are thinking of going after the parents for hiding her. She sounds like an absolute nightmare. They really should’ve got therapy and meds for her earlier in life. Also, they’re one of the ugliest families with money that I’ve ever seen. No excuse to not go to the gym and eat healthy.

After jail she'll look like this.

r410 please show some deference to the Cesspool Queen of Suffolk County

Yeah, I was wondering why they didn't arrest the parents, too - I thought "harboring a fugitive" was a crime.

She attacked one of the Golden Girls!

R7 is it just me or do her shoes look horribly oversized

R442 MURDERED

[quote][R7] is it just me or do her shoes look horribly oversized

With all that hair, she does resemble Bigfoot's wife and the Neanderthal Woman.

Wouldn't have happened in Nassau County.

R396, it's a typo. Obviously she's not from an affluent family.

She's from an effluent family.

Do we know if the taxi or car was present that the victim was waiting for? Is there evidence of that yet?

People are assuming she crossed the street to attack the victim. She may have crossed the street to get the car/Uber whatever or for another reason. That changes the narrative.

These things aren't always as simple as the first assumptions we make. Though sometimes they are.

[Quote] These things aren't always as simple as the first assumptions we make. Though sometimes they are.

You should embroider that on something.

I lived in a subsidized middle class housing project. The alcoholic grown son of one of the tenants was killed in Central Park. Imagine my pride when the Daily News reported the murder victim sometimes lived with his mother in “a posh Upper East Side high rise.”

R449, I think Jane Austen said that. Or Ben Franklin.

Bail

[quote]I lived in a subsidized middle class housing project. The alcoholic grown son of one of the tenants was killed in Central Park. Imagine my pride when the Daily News reported the murder victim sometimes lived with his mother in “a posh Upper East Side high rise.”

Mitchell- Lama, right? I know people who have been on the waiting lists for years and years.

R449 Deep thoughts by Jack Handey

[quote]I lived in a subsidized middle class housing project.

All housing projects are subsidized, Do you mean you lived in Mitchell-Lama housing? That's way different than NYCHA housing projects.

Now NYC also has yet another form of subsidized housing, where a certain portion of a building is market level and the rest of the building has subsidized apartments. If a tenant then starts to earn more than the allowed amount, they have to move. This is not the case in NYCHA housing, you just have to pay a higher rent, which is 30% of your earnings. If you lose your job then get another which pays less, or a spouse who was working dies, the rent is lowered.

[quote] Mitchell- Lama, right? I know people who have been on the waiting lists for years and years

Not anymore. All the Manhattan Mitchell Lama high rises left the program & turned into luxury condos. I think there might be one highrise left in the Bronx.

Many Mitchell Lamas in Brooklyn, Bronx & Queens were sold in the 1980s for low cost to the renters.

from r452: sounds like trouble in paradise tonight for the happy couple

[quote]On Friday, Aidala said he did not know if the couple still planned to get married. “The first time she has face-to-face contact with her fiancé will be this evening and that will be a personal matter for them to discuss whether this is an appropriate time to get married under these conditions,” he said.

[quote] Aidala also pushed back on the notion that Pazienza grew up in a privileged household, telling reporters that her father is a ditch digger. “He literally, literally digs holes where our human waste goes in and he works himself with two helpers with a shovel digging ditches,” the attorney said. “He’s far from some rich guy and she is far from a young woman who grew up in a very spoiled, privileged environment,” he added.

Cousin Itt.

Are those boots or shoes in R452?

Mommy and Daddy might be in trouble.

R460, actually a reading of the article shows it doesn't say that at all. Her parents had no obligation to turn her in or to let anyone in their house without a warrant.

Do better.

She really is very ugly, both inside and out.

Did her twin do it?

Can you just imagine the rage-a-thons she is subjecting her fiancé and family to behind closed doors right now?

From the articles posted, she sounds like a mentally unstable, angry psycho who can quickly become a monster. I would not want to be in a room with her right now.

I also see a lot of victim-blaming with Pazuzu-style rage-vomiting:

“Why did she have to talk before she croaked?”

“Her life was practically over and mine was just beginning in June! Fuck that cunt!”

Let’s play legal “what if”.

What if she had stayed on the scene and acted contrite? What if she had turned herself in the next day when poor Barbara was still alive, saying she didn’t know she had actually hurt her?

What charges would she be facing?

That is PRECISELY how she is framing this to herself, R466.

Oops, I meant R465

R466 I think the charges for the assault itself would remain the same? But the sentence may have been lighter.

But the way she actually handled it, there will no doubt now be additional charges for the way she evaded the law.

It’s interesting, in both scenarios she’s admitting guilt.

She's giving Long Island a BAD NAME!

TELL ME ABOUT IT!

R470

Many of us already had a bad name for Long Island...

You are young right R472?

I don't recognize this young debutante from any of my high-society watering holes.

It’s time for NYSD to weigh in on one of their own.

She's one of the Newport Pazienzas, darling! You know their cottage, Villa Cacavi! Bedecked with their family motto, ‘Cacavi et culu non extersi'!

Funny thing, her surname means “patience” in English. And here she us having tirades in the street pushing old ladies out of her way

[quote]Funny thing, her surname means “patience” in English. And here she us having tirades in the street pushing old ladies out of her way

Her mom's maiden name is Pace. Think that's PEACE in Italian!

Oh the irony!

Virtually everything in NYS is pleaded down at least one level. Now that this bitch from Hell as been sprung she, that some king of piece of bf and family will sit down with attorney to hatch out what happens next.

Attorney will push right to discovery information to see what DA's office has got on his client. Based in good part on that information a strategy will be formed to base her defense upon, and or wrestle for best plea deal possible.

Without some strong medical or other official evidence of mental health issues, it's going to be hard to defend fact this woman walked across a NYC street to push her victim to ground. Two women didn't know each other from Eve, and there had been no prior immediate contact or whatever.

In short of DA has a good case for manslaughter that office feels can win at trail, there will be considerable pressure to see the the thing through, if for no other reason to make an example of Lauren Pazienza.

If she is allowed to simply plead guilty to a low level assault charge, given a "time out" such as conditional discharge, anger management, and fined, but no or very little jail time, all fuck is going to break loose.

I bet the family begged the fiancé to "stay strong" and "show support".

They're trying to muster up anything to put La Pazienza in a good light. Although I'd say her goose is cooked.

Fiance has got to be feeling the tug to get out of there. Once the trial is over, he'll weasel away quietly.

It's amazing what straight guys will go through to hang on to some good pussy. Guys, it's New York City. There's always some good snatch around the corner. Good dick too.

Is she dead yet?

The court should send her, disguised as an elderly Asian woman, onto the streets of NY where she will be attacked by thugs and given some of her own medicine, as no one will help her or care.

She hasn’t posted a “go fund me” page, yet? Wait and see….

“Pace, t'imploro, pace t'imploro, pace, pace, pace!

Some pics make her look hot but her boyfriend is gross. Must be more to this story. She is not ugly enough to do something this bad. Not really against law to shove somebody. Old people stop exerc is sing and become fragile.

I still don't understand what compels such behavior. The accounts of Pazienza walking across the street, approaching Stern, calling her a bitch, and shoving her with all her force seems so strange. I can see why some people suspected she might have known her and had a motive for approaching her like that. The randomness of it is hard to make sense of, unless she is in fact a completely deranged psychopath (which is clearly possible).

[Quote] Old people stop exerc is sing and become fragile.

Barbara Gustern walked a mile a day. At 87.

[Quote] The randomness of it is hard to make sense of, unless she is in fact a completely deranged psychopath (which is clearly possible).

You've never seen anyone pick a fight with a stranger?

Yes, but there is usually drugs/alcohol/mental illness involved. And men.

90% of violent crime is committed by men.

[quote].Old people stop exerc is sing and become fragile.

You're going to need a better defense than that, Our Lady of the Cesspools.

[quote]The randomness of it is hard to make sense of, unless she is in fact a completely deranged psychopath (which is clearly possible).

Have you read this entire thread and the DM link?

A former college friend did say they could totally see Pazienza being annoyed if a person was walking too slow, that she'd push them out of the way. The rest of the article explained she had anger issues and was violent since she was a child. She was trouble personified.

It's clear the parents mollified her vile behavior by sending her on expensive vacations and basically bankrolling her lifestyle, while ignoring the obvious fact she had serious mental health issues. This is one trial where I'd love to be on the jury!

But the cesspool heiress actually had to cross the street to shove her according to the witnesses. The voice teacher and her friend were trying to hail a cab on the curb, not impeding anyone. Kill the cesspool heiress. Burn her with flames.

I know that apartment complex in the twenties. Public housing but in the middle of Chelsea and well maintained. My dealer in the 70s lived there and we had fabulous sex. He was dark and Latin and I was a young blond twink from North Carolina and we had wonderful times together. I miss you so much, Roberto.

Most public housing in New York isn't well maintained but that complex is.

Yeah, that's a good area. That poor woman.

What was the cesspool princess doing in that part of NYC from Queens? Out with friends? I thought she was unemployed.

R494 needs to go finger itself and get the fuck out of this thread.

[Quote] My dealer in the 70s lived there and we had fabulous sex. He was dark and Latin and I was a young blond twink from North Carolina and we had wonderful times together. I miss you so much, Roberto.

Would he give you a discount?

[Quote] I thought she was unemployed.

She only works in a shop, y'know.

Somewhere in NYC Naveen's parents are shaking their heads and saying to him"

"If you had just let us find you a nice girl from India....."

That would be a bit rich coming from Mr and Mrs Perreira.

What happened to Roberto, R499?

[quote] I didn’t realize she died until I saw this thread. Fry the bitch who shoved her!

Yes, fry the bitch, and then fry her again before dumping her in the trash. The rats can feast on double fried white trash leftovers.

If you don’t know mean crazy bitches like this one, you are lucky.

Sometimes you get on a subway car and you can practically see the waves of “I’m ready to serve a beatdown” radiating from them. Their body language is tense and hostile, and they are looking around at everyone, searching for a target.

As a lifelong New Yorker, Barbara would have been able to smell it in a crowded train car. On a wide open street, while she’s preoccupied looking for a taxi, she wouldn’t have seen it coming from a woman walking toward her.

RIP, Barbara.

The development Gustin seems to have lived in, Penn South, was build by the International Ladies Garment Workers Union for its employees in the early 60s. Many elderly Jews live there (they were not elderly when they moved in 60 years ago) and it's one of the few places in Manhattan where you still find middle class people, many of whom do hold down interesting arts-related jobs. (And just as many who don't.)

It's still one of the last bastions of a city that has largely disappeared, where middle class people still lived in Manhattan.

The complex was built in the old-school LeCorboisier "Towers In The Park" style, with buildings set back from the street surrounded by green space. It's very mid-century, but also seems very livable.

What is "very mid century" shorthand for?

Nothing R507. I just meant that it looks like a lot of buildings that were put up in NYC during the 50s and 60s.

While I have no idea what her parents actual politics are, those are the exact people who make up the bulk of Trump's base - upscale blue collar.

Her dad probably grosses anywhere from $500K to $2MM depending on the year, and doesn't pay a whole lot of taxes on the part he takes out as income. Lots of recurring revenue from institutions and homeowners.

And yet I have no doubt her dad feels he is looked down upon by his college-educated corporate neighbors because he runs a cesspool company. While they probably do not actively "look down" on him, he's of no use to them networking-wise and they likely have markedly different cultural touchstones.

Hence the Trumpian "You think you're better then us? Well you're not, so fuck you!"

It's funny how the Post is spinning this too. The parents live in a decent-sized but not very fancy house in a nice but not super-posh town and took vacations to places like Aruba where they likely got a package airfare+hotel deal. Plenty of mid-ranged chain hotels in Aruba. It is, not St. Barths.

And plenty of not-very-wealthy people take a once-in-a-lifetime trip to Europe at some point in their lives.

Similarly, she was likely invited to one or two McMullen-photographed parties because of her job. It does not seem as if she was a regular on that circuit.

But in Tabloid Word calling her a "socialite" gets clicks.

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This one just deserves the worst. I hope she pays for the rest of her life for this monstrosity.

She won't. She'll get married and procreate. Heaven help her children.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she got pregnant while out on bail.

Knock her up! Knock her up!

Whether or not she serves time (and the idea she'll get off is a big IF--that lawyer didn't do much for Weinstein or Giuliani), this cunt's name is MUD. People know who she is. She can't hide now. Her cesspool parents better be prepared to pay her way for the rest of their lives, because as of now her reputation is shit, and she will be a target herself for a lot of very pissed off, righteous people. She'll never have any kind of a career, not that she could do much to begin with (who would hire her now?), and she'll find out just what it's like to be the target of bullying herself. There are more ways than a jail sentence to punish her, as she'll find out.

She won't need a career. She'll marry some men and continue to have a bird's nest on her head.

It's not just about whether or not she'll need a career, R516. She's a known murderer, a societal pariah. For someone like her, that matters.

After all, isn't she a "socialite"?

She can always relocate to Palm Beach.

There's an orange turd in Palm Beach who will be happy to hire the daughter of a turd collector as an Events Planner for Mar a Lago.

Those mockers of disabled people usually stick together.

[Quote] For someone like her, that matters.

She's an oddball. Comments from classmates have established that. She's never been belle of any ball.

[Quote] She's a known murderer, a societal pariah.

And?

[quote]She only works in a shop, y'know.

So, far from being a socialite cesspool heiress, she's merely a common shop girl.

[quote]What was the cesspool princess doing in that part of NYC from Queens? Out with friends? I thought she was unemployed.

Most of those types who came from Long Island and now live in Queens do spend a lot of time in Manhattan. A lot of them are actually embarrassed to claim they live in Queens.

Despite the million dollar condos and co-ops now on the Long Island City waterfront, there really isn't much of a true creative scene there, not that Pazienza was actually part of any sort of important creative scene involving actual artists.

From the info about her background she doesn't actually seem very creative, charismatic or even intelligent. She comes across like yet another spoiled airhead looking for attention and some sort of fame.

PS1 MOMA, Socrates Sculpture Park and some small galleries are in Long Island City, hell, artist Matthew Barney has a loft there, though, I get the feeling a serious art scene was not what Pazienza was into. She doesn't seem like that type at all.

It is a lovely shop though. Just looking at Roche Bobois furniture makes me happy.

ElderLez, she had been an event planner at Roche-Bobois. But she left there in December. Then, apparently, she was working in a store in Chelsea.

Roche-Bobois was quick to point that out. I’ll bet there’s a story there…

R494

Either drugs and or age have addled your brain, or entire thing never happened.

Attack went down on 28th between 8th and 9th; that is Penn South co-op, not NYCHA.

From above NYT linked news article:

"In documents filed on Tuesday in Manhattan Criminal Court, the police said a witness saw a young woman cross the street and come up behind Ms. Gustern on West 28th Street between Eighth and Ninth Avenues at about 8:30 p.m. on March 10. The witness said the woman swore at Ms. Gustern and shoved her to the pavement."

Penn South is across 8th avenue from FIT, two housing projects in Chelsea (NYCHA) are either on 9th or between 9th and 10th in twenties ( Fulton and Chelsea-Elliott Houses)

Yes, Penn South is quite well maintained, but it would be compared to public housing.

Or perhaps he mistook one of the housing projects for Penn South since it was decades ago R527

I need to pee.

[quote]What happened to Roberto?

The 1980s happened. Do you know what happened to gay Manhattan in the 1980s? I still have survivor's guilt and don't know why I'm alive to "enjoy" my old age.

The funeral was today with many attending including the media. Some great speakers. There was a reception afterwards at Joe's Pub.

News report on service.

One in ten females is extremely sadistic.

What if the father did them both in?

Casting for the Lifetime movie THE SHOVE MUST GO ON...how about Tara Reid as Lauren Pazienza and Joan Allen as Barbara Gustern?

with Kal Penn as the hapless boyfriend

Gwen Shamblin Lara's wig starring as the mother's wig.

and a special guest appearance by Blondie, singing "You'll Never Walk Alone"

I knew someone like this when I was in my late teens. She was in my social group but not one of the people I knew well and had a couple of close male friends who didn't seem like boyfriends but whose job it was to explain her weird af behaviour to people with phrases like "she's just like that" and "just don't piss her off" etc. Weirdly enough her 'thing' was shoving people. She would just take a dislike to someone - stranger or not - and randomly walk up to them and shove them, hard. Did it to me one night when we were out, I stumbled off the curb and she just laughed. We weren't even interacting and I didn't see her coming.

Something about the look in this woman's eyes - that direct, confrontational stare - reminds me of the girl I knew. She was just a mean, angry bitch.

Isn't Penn South a co-op?

[quote]Roche-Bobois was quick to point that out. I’ll bet there’s a story there…

I'm sure there is a story there, she probably broke the leg off a piece of furniture, then attacked a co-worker with it! The more we are hearing about this woman's behavior the crazier she seems. Making fun of dead people etc. Videos don't lie.

It's pretty clear reading the DM article, this unhinged chick had anger issues going way back to her childhood.

As a child she was a bully in her neighborhood, then went on to do the same as she got older. The information from her former college friends points to her mental illness, which was possibly untreated all these years. Or she simply stopped taking her meds.

Don't lesbians act like this? Something is making her lash out. Autistic?

[quote]Casting for the Lifetime movie THE SHOVE MUST GO ON...how about Tara Reid as Lauren Pazienza and Joan Allen as Barbara Gustern?

Tara is way too old and too thin to portray this insane witch. Are there any current crazy-eyed redhead actresses who can portray this loon?

How about Karen Gillan or how about Madeline Petsch.

Karen Gillan is much prettier and is British, but could probably swing a New Yawk accent. She's in her 30s but looks much younger.

Through the miracle of make-up, both actresses could be 'ugly-fied' to resemble dead eyed Lauren, lol

We're going to need a second thread soon, DL will definitely be following this horrific story.

If there's a trial, it won't be for some time.

[quote]If there's a trial, it won't be for some time.

I never understood why trials take so long, this is a slam dunk. Lauren pushed Ms. Gustern, everything points to Lauren purposely shoving the old woman, the old woman was subsequently seriously injured, then died.

Lauren's background is filled with violence, this cannot be brought up in a trial? Of course, I realize, her lawyer will deny and try to stifle as much of her background as possible.

I always wonder why most trials take forever. This bitch should be locked up right now.

This morning's Daily Mail is reporting that Daddy may be arrested for shielding her inside when the police came looking for her. But what Daddy doesn't protect his little princess? He was also shown walking his dog. Cute dog.

Cheap piece of trash it is, I love the Daily Mail.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Diana Ross in white face and aging prosthetic as BG.

Why are immigrants allowed to keep such difficult name like Pazienza. I'm supposed to.pronounce or remember it? And nobody classifies it as white. Whites have light eyes.

Hunty R550, I doubt you're capable of pronouncing or remembering anything. Put down the crack pipe, darling.

Local morning news is still covering this. She must have been well loved.

R550 = white trash shop bottom in Darkest Flyoverstan. Sitting in trailer, clinging to Scots-Irish heritage as the only thing he has going for him.

"At least I'm not Italian. Or (shudder) a negro!"

Penn South is pretty awful. It looks like a project or college dorms and is an eye sore in Chelsea. There are some dangerous projects a few blocks south that are much worse though.

I never understood why the city keeps these places in Manhattan and the nice parts of Brooklyn. Why not move see them and build replacements in cheaper neighborhoods?

So, you are advocating building a ghetto for the poor, R 554, to keep the riff-raff out of your neighborhood? How........liberal of you.

That's what we've come to know as a Limousine Liberal. They support liberal ideas in theory but don't want to be directly exposed to the actuality of it. NIMBY.

R555 and R556,

The government can use the money they make to fund programs that help the poor. These housing projects no longer fit in these neighborhoods and be better used. Building government maintained projects in fringe neighborhoods would also improve them.

I really don’t see a problem with me suggestion.

^^ and the SPACE can be better used ^^

R554

You "don't understand" anything because you're an idiot.

First and foremost Penn South is private property. NYC doesn't "allow" anything. Like everyone else in NYC they pay their property and other taxes and are within the law. So what do you suggest city do? Use eminent domain to take land? Yeah that will go over really well in court.

Two, housing estates (projects) went up decades ago when that part of Chelsea was still largely a gritty, industrial, commercial, working to bit of middle class area. Like elsewhere in city those pubic housing estates gave people vastly better housing than still common nasty tenement buildings.

In both instances both Penn South and housing estates allow working to middle class households to continue to live in a rapidly gentrifying Chelsea/West Side of Manhattan.

Penn South is no more "awful" than Stuyvesant Town/Peter Cooper Village on east side and few other places like Waterside Plaza.

As for balance of your deluded post, I've got news for you dearie, 8th avenue from 14th north to 34th isn't exactly Park Avenue. It wasn't back in 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and still isn't today.

Further north you go above 14th it's homeless, drug addicts, low and common, etc... Even when 8th as the new Christopher Street even gays couldn't shift that element totally.

Once you get to 8th and 23rd it's often like a cross between Daytop Village waiting room and Bellevue psych ward. Penn South and London Terrace are two bright spots real estate wise in that part of Chelsea for those who aren't very wealthy.

R456

Wrong!

Say and think what you like about the Daily Mail but they don’t fuck around. They are the first to name names, post pics etc. When the young fatty (RIP) fell off the fairground ride a couple of days ago they were the first to post his picture, the first to report the10 different drugs inside of the Foo Fighters drummer (RIP). They wasted no time in finding dirt on this bitch by posted the videos of her mocking deaf people.

Wrong x 2

Wrong x 3

NYS has made it very difficult for remaining ML co-ops to leave system.

R559

1.) I thought Penn South was city housing. Obviously the city has no right to take it if it’s private property.

2.) Exactly my point! The projects were built in less desirable neighborhoods and that’s exactly where they belong because it’s where they can do the most good.

3.) I agree that Stuy Town and PCV are also terrible eye sores and I would never want to live there either. I knew that they were not city-owned which is why I didn’t mention them earlier.

Thank you for oldsplaining the geography of the west side from 14th-34th streets. I’m quite familiar with the neighborhood.

Chicken Cutlets from Dlisted should play Lauren.

Am not "old", but if you are "quite familiar" with that part of Chelsea and still bust out with such comments, then yes you are an idiot. You obviously are not familiar enough with Chelsea enough to know Penn South is *NOT* NYCHA or in any way owned by City of New York.

You are also further ignorant of not just Chelsea but NYC at large if you believe residents of Fulton and Chelsea-Elliot Houses are going to allow themselves to be pushed out just because bougie white gays like *you* don't like having them in your nice newly upscale area.

R533- Agreed- and/or borderline disorder.

And 1/10 of men are sociopaths.

That's my general view-

[quote]Why are immigrants allowed to keep such difficult name like Pazienza. I'm supposed to.pronounce or remember it? And nobody classifies it as white. Whites have light eyes.

Clearly you are high or drunk. You are clearly incoherent!

Many nationalities, other than Wasps, have light eyes and light hair. My great grandfather was a blond Sicilian. He had dark blond hair and bright blue eyes. Northern Italians are know to have lighter features than Southern Italians and Sicilians, who are more swarthy and darker skinned. There are also light eyed South Asians. There's a Greek man in my neighborhood who owns a restaurant, he has light brown hair and blue eyes. There are also many Italians with natural red hair.

Read about different nationalities then flap your stupid lips on DL!

Stuy Town now features $7000 rents! One of my doctors kids shared an apartment there with a few roommates. Think it was three or for bedroom. That was the rent about five years ago.

There are so many people in this thread who are sure not native New Yorkers.

After Met Life sold the property, Sty Town went through a massive renovation, then they raised the rents to market level. I'm not sure what the old timers did, they sure couldn't afford such absurd rents. $7000 a month?!

IIRC, the co-op Penn South was featured in a NY Times Sunday Real Estate article a few months ago, the Times interviewed a man who lived there for over 35-40+ years. He paid next to nothing for his apartment. Think he was an interior designer, he said he wasn't going anywhere, he loved living there.

STPCV has been filling up tons of affordable apartments via lottery for sometime now.

You can be a native New Yorker and not care about public housing or ugly buildings. I am not a native New Yorker, but have lived here for 20 years (more than half of my life). I know a great deal about this city and it’s architecture. It’s one of my interests. However, I also know enough to stay out of the projects and to put my head down and walk quickly by them. I don’t take a the time to read the plaques to learn if the block-shapes monstrosities are owned by the city or not. I don’t have the desire to get mugged.

I love the racist calling me out for being white. Yes, I know. All white people are evil. My lack of abundant melanin and sebaceous glands, my smooth hair, and my chiseled nose make me unworthy to share my opinion on a gay gossip site and even to breathe NYC’s air.

^^ and “its” architecture ^^

I gather by something being a Mitchell-Lama co-op, it's not private? A nearby co-op is run this way. This means, when a cooperator sells their co-op apartment, they sell it directly back to the co-op and cannot make any sort of profit on it. The co-op then sells the apartment to anyone who passes the board interview, has good financials and whatever background checks they require.

These apartments do go up in price, but not at the level private co-ops can be re-sold. For example, when a nearby co-op went up over 50 years ago, they sold apartments for very low prices. Then, their prices went up in small increments.

Years ago, when I looked an apartment there, it was $60,000 for a one bedroom. Now their one bedroom apartments are staring at $100,000 and $250,00+ for a 3 bedroom, 2 bath. In all these apartments, the living rooms and kitchens are the same sizes. At the time I looked at the one bedroom, I ended up getting a much nicer and larger co-op, a 2 bedroom, for a bit less than $60,000.

R572, please, STFU.

You do actually sound racist. With that post, you really dug quite a deep hole for yourself, loool

btw dear @ R572, there are certain areas of the three main boroughs where condos and co-ops have been built directly across from NYCHA housing projects, one such area is Long Island City Queens, which has been slowly gentrifying.

In LIC, there are two long time co-op complexes which have survived in harmony with the NYCHA projects directly across from them, so darling, you need to STFU! One co-op had a beautiful apartment sell for over $800,000, the person who bought it knew there was a housing project across the street.

The Queensbridge NYCHA project in LIC is directly across the street from the Silvercup film studios.

I wonder if there's any pictures of her from DL fav New York Social Diary?

PR/events coordinator is one of those jobs highly populated by white females from upper middle to well off backgrounds that lack frim four year college chops. In other words busy sort of work that often isn't highly compensated, but does have perks such as arranging and attending events where likely will come into contact with eminent persons.

Can easily see an alumni of FIT getting such a job. There is only so much one can do with a B of S degree in direct and interactive marketing from that place.

Knew someone who got their A.A.S from FIT years ago. She got so fed up with four year colleges turning down bulk of credits earned she gave up going for her bachelors. Then FIT came up with various B of S degree programs largely for graduates of their two year associate programs. At time marketing was one offered so that's what aforementioned person ended up going back and getting.

Bit after she graduated FIT changed their general marketing degree into something else, guess that is what Direct and Interactive Marketing comes in....

Quite honestly once you pass 28th and 8th going towards Penn Station it just gets more sketchier, and that's saying something for this particular stretch of avenue. On odd times have to walk up that way tend to increase my guard a bit just in case.

Thus at first when heard about this horrible event assumed it was just another of local loons on lose that are common around Penn Station area.

Over years FIT has added huge amount of security along both 27th and 28th street campus in response to suspect element that pervades area. Fact their student body is majority female (both day and evening students) also factors into things.

R569 Northern Italians work indoors and are less exposed to sun and wear contacts to lighten eye colour.

Northern Italians often have blue eyes without wearing contacts, fucking racist moron at R580.

The DM is calling daddy "the cesspool mogul." 😅

(Stage whisper) DRUGS!

(Stage whisper) PRISON!

R572...you're afraid of getting mugged in...Penn South?

Really?

Events bitches are the same type as HR bitches.

Can’t stand ‘em. They’re bossy spoiled princesses.

I wonder how many mob hits ended up in Daddy Pazazu's cesspits.

Ugly, bug-eyed bitch. Reminds me of those two ugly royal daughters.

She does look like Princess Beatrice's evil, fatter twin, r586!

Thank God I paid off my super hundreds off dollars to to get into a rent stabilized apartment in Chelsea back when that was a thing you could still do.

We called Chelsea the Village Heights back then. Everybody still wanted to live in Greenwich Village back then but we made the neighborhood so popular we got priced out. We're still the only minority that when we move in, the property values go up.

If anything should go in that area it should be BBQ's at 23rd and 8th..... Brings the wrong sort of element to the neighborhood.

Do you mean carnivores, R592?

Literally

[quote] then yes you are an idiot.

This coming from someone who doesn’t know how to use articles. You sound special.

News media legal pundits arm chair quarter backing on manslaughter charge.

R596 “This woman is not going to be sympathetic, and there is no juror that will like her.”

I love how these articles keep referring to her as an “event planner.”

SHADE!

These high profile cases are always lynch mobs which the legal system encourages ie oj's conviction for robbery and misty croslin for selling pills.

R598

Pretty accurate since that was her job. As stated in another post position of "event planner" can be found at most middle sized and above companies. Goldman Sachs, Chase Bank, etc... all have such positions.

Smaller places usually have one frau secretary (usually someone from executive level) with maybe few other of the girls to assist.

Compensation isn't that bad from most places; comparable to high level administrative assistants. For those employed by big banks and others there is always chance of a nice fat yearly bonus.

Then you have people like David Monn who take event planning to an entirely different level. So there is quite a range there....