Which UFO/alien incidents or theories seem credible?

I've always thought the Aurora, Texas, UFO incident seemed somewhat credible, just because it was in 1897 and seems so out of place for the time and location.

This =

R1 My brother is buried at the same cemetery the Aurora aliens are buried. There is even a Texas historical plaque there regarding the UFO incident.

Block the cheesy links to alien videos. Poo never gives up.

Westall schoolyard (Australia), particularly given the testimony of the science teacher, which backs up the many dozens of witnesses. You can make a case for mass delusion among kids but he was a rational adult trained in science.

I can not remember the date, but does anyone remember the UFO sighting in New York a few years ago that was allegedly witnessed by government officials or some such as they were driving home from a meeting?

No. Because it never happened R7.

R8- Yes it did. It made national news.

You mean the Linda Napolitano case.

R9- Found it. It happened.

Roswell

I always thought the Betty and Barney Hill case was pretty intriguing.

And I just now realized they have the same first names as the Rubbles.

[quote] I can not remember the date, but does anyone remember the UFO sighting in New York a few years ago that was allegedly witnessed by government officials or some such as they were driving home from a meeting?

That was in 1989, and the supposed government official was Javier Perez de Cuellar, then the Secretary-General of the United Nations. It’s often discussed in UFO publications and shows. Posters have revised his Wikipedia page to reflect it, but then it’s scrubbed (see link).

R1 They had dirigibles and airships back then. HG Wells wrote the Time Machine in1895. Seems plausible they would make a story.

Why would an alien give a fuck about some podunk town and crash it's ship into the Judge's square and ruin their flowers.

Like the Donner party sensationalism to sell papers.

A lot of the credible UFO incidents are probably related to testing of experimental aircraft.

The ones that also involve the Loch Ness Monster and Big Foot are credible; but the ones where only the Loch Ness Monster OR Big Foot are also involved, not so much.

I think there are aliens and life on other planets and we’ll never know because they are so far away. It would take 9-12 years to travel to Pluto so imagine how long it would take and how long an alien would have to live to be able to travel to Earth from a galaxy that’s not in view of todays scientist. The closest habitable planet would take 6,300 years to travel to.

R14- Thank you! I remembered that happening because it was a major news story at the time and was covered by reputable media outlets.

What if there are wormholes? What about time travel? What if there are different dimensions right here? I've recounted my family's experience here on DL. Five of us saw something very scary that affected my life, at least. My mom recounts it as if it was nothing. Really, mom?! A brilliant white light shines down on us with no movement, just hovers, with no sound and that's nothing? TF! I couldn't sleep alone for at least a decade afterward. Just last night I had a waking nightmare.

I swear every few months someone starts one of these. The same obsessed CT troll will post dozens of ridiculous YT vids as proof.

I did actually see a UFO. Idk what it was and I am not claiming that it was aliens, but I have never seen an aircraft that was capable of hovering just over the tree tops without making a sound. The trees did not move either. It hovered there for about 20 seconds and took off suddenly as fast as a ray of light. In one small second it was gone. No aircraft that i am aware of has the capacity to travel at that speed. It was other worldly, for lack of a better description. This was in 1989. The next morning the AJC wrote an article about many sightings of UFO's in that area. My boyfriend saw it as well and we were stone cold sober.

A lot of UFO sightings began after WWII. Maybe someone out there noticed the nukes.

R23- That is a very interesting point.

The one I saw myself.

Go on...

The ones on SNL with Kate McKinnon.

Not advocating for or against this, but the "aliens from another planet" theory is going out of fashion in UFO circles. It's seen as being rooted in 1950s views of the universe. The current theories are along the lines of transdimensional vehicles from the multiverse (including, possibly, objects traveling from "the far future"), or "something non-human from here, that has always been here".

R28- That, to me, is much more plausible that the standard alien from another planet theory .

Most alleged UFOs are small. That implies that if they are real, they don't travel the vast distances between the stars, at least not on their own. It implies they are travelling short distances, either between dimensions, or because they are from here. It's no secret that UFOs have been seen entering and exiting the ocean many times. To me it's not beyond reasonable possibility that we aren't the only intelligence that's always lived here on this planet. Life has been here a long, LONG time. If this planet produced one technological species it could have produced another, perhaps in the very ancient past.

They're under the sea.

R22 was it triangle shaped?

I've never seen one but I'd be thrilled and terrified if I did.

R32- No, it was round . I just sat there staring in amazement. For some reason what still stands out is the fact that the trees never moved while this craft hovered, spinning rapidly, just over the top of the trees.

It looked like a shooting star r26, but it suddenly stopped and flew in a different direction. It did this for about 20 minutes before it flew off, changing direction several times.

The Fourth Kind - based on a tue story about some BFE rednecks who get abducted.

R35- That is a perfect description of how fast it disappeared, a shooting star.

The only one credible to me, is that we are the only ones in the universe, with the exception of organisms that live on other planets, and also I believe octopus-like creatures that exist on Jupiter’s moon.

If any civilization is advanced to visit this planet they would would be far more advanced than we are. Their tech would be as unintelligible to us cellphone tech is to your cat..or your teen.

They would not be able to ignore the violent and destructive nature of our species. We are driving many mammalian species into extinction. David Attenborough noted that some scientists claim that by 2080 this planet will be uninhabitable for most humans. This is just our environmental destruction. Its also possible that a nuclear power will push the timeframe forward by starting a catastrophic war.

Any advanced alien species would exterminate us the way we exterminate pests and virus.

The theory has always been that they were attracted by the nuclear detonations in the 40s.

R40 There would be no way for them to now that. They are too far away. How would tey differentiate it from an enormous erupting volcano?

Well it's all speculation but if they were in direct proximity they'd know.

I believe the universe is a zoo. Both dimensionally and spatially. If you were from another planet or could travel trough time or dimensions earth would be like a dangerous yet interesting safari park with weird violent armed monkeys scurrying all over the place. These armed monkeys would be in the air land and sea. You’d have to be pretty well equipped to defend yourself or run away. The other thing is maybe the planet is a Noah’s ark of species and the trader aliens come here and grab various species genetics to distribute or trade throughout the heavens with other aliens. Perhaps we are an experiment an earth ship. Another civilization is trying to see if they can make sustainable life in a bottle.It could be all of the above why not.

^ Just got done watching Space Ghost.

Linda had a great topic last week -

Poo shoes thread

Lol kidding!

[quote] Linda had a great topic last week -

Click on her videos. That plastic surgery just doesn’t pay for itself!

[quote] The next morning the AJC wrote an article about many sightings of UFO's in that area.

What did the UFO possess?

[quote] Five of us saw something very scary that affected my life, at least.

You saw something nasty in the woodshed.

I don't want to believe, but...

This was in 2011, I was outside smoking at 3am. Dead of winter in Canada, so it was incredibly cold. I glance up to the tree line (about 200 feet away) and I saw a bright white light moving amongst the trees. It just floated there, travelling deeper and deeper into the woods until it disappeared.

Rural area with no other houses around, so I know it wasn't somebody fucking around with me. It was very clearly a light - small, no particular shape, moving lazily. I have zero explanation for it.

South Park got it right. We are one big reality shit show.

[quote]Linda had a great topic last week -

Charlatan.

The military videos are probably the most credible.

That Marshall Applewhite was an alien, clearly.

Course there's life on other planets. We have all types of animals on this one. On this tiny little planet. Given the vastness of space there's undoubtedly life on other planets.

If they're intelligent, theyre wise to not want to contact us. They tried that with Travis Walton when he ran out their ship and he freaked the fuck out. They returned him safely.

We don't have the universal hive mind connection they have. I think we can evolve to that eventually. When you see sci-fi movies you see a bunch of war. We literally have movies called Star Wars. I don't think these intelligent beings got to where they are by warring on each other. That's kindergarten shit for them and they're in advanced physics college level.

R56 take your meds, sweetie.

A little bit off-topic, I know, byt for having had a bout with sleep paralysis in my younger hard partying days, I would venture that *a lot* of the close encounters stories are episodes of sleep paralysis. Everything feels so real (while so unreal because it's so far off regular real life events and the light is not a normal light, at least for me the light was always yellow shifted) it is utterly frightening: you can hear the sounds, the voices, you can see the beings (always extremely terrifying) in your peripheral vision but you cannot move. Except your eyes. And since you're 100% cognitively present you over-analyze all the fuckedupness happening in your home exactly as you left it when you went to sleep. And I got scared while knowing sleep paralysis was a thing and what the symptoms were and analyzing it as a possible occurrence while in the midst of it, but among other (scarier) possibilities.

So I can 100% believe that people who have no idea what's happening to them as they experience it,100% stands by their firm belief that this thing really happened to them and they were really abducted and whatever fuckedupness happened in their dream really happened to them.

Whitley Streiber's book "Communion" is a fascinating and scary read about alien encounters (skip the shit movie version of the book with Christopher Walken). In it, Streiber talks about how, through years of therapy and hypnosis, he believes he's been monitored and tracked by "aliens" since his childhood. But he doesn't necessarily believe these aliens are from other planets. He tends to think they co-exist here on Earth with us, and they're kind of our overseers. We're their creations.

The Phenomenon documentary (2020) is hair raising. They're here.

I believe some things exist without having seen them. Examples would be countries I haven't visited, people I've never met in person, all sorts of tangible objects in the world. There is enough reliable evidence of their existence to be reasonably certain they are real.

Nevertheless...even though I found reports of UFOs interesting, they were mostly boring accounts of lights behaving strangely and, you know, venus sightings. Evidence was too spotty and varied to draw any conclusions. I would need to see something myself.

Then I did.

Why is somone so insistent on getting DLers believe that "aliens" exist and have visited earth. We've been having a flood of these threads over the past few months.

Setting aside all the numerous explanations for the Fermi Paradox, it's very likely that sentient, technologically advanced life exists on other planets somewhere.

It's almost like someone is trying to shift the perception of the parameters of fact-based reasonable discussions - like it's all part of a wider plan of furthering conspiracy theories, distrust, and outrageous claims, so that people are more gullible and apt to believe ridiculous things.

R62 The thing that motivates me to believe is the discontent with the ability of our own kind to solve basic issues that plague us and have plagued our kind. War, prejudice, environmental destruction, economic disparity. We know how to fix these and we have the ability yet we do nothing. At this point I’m just embarrassed for human kind. It is undeniable that we don’t know what we don’t know. Now I look to alternative theories yes. I’m not trying to convince anyone but I find this stuff strangely reassuring. So look at this interview it seems credible and it freaks me out because she is very calm and thoughtful. Call it entertainment if you want.

OK. IMO, I think we are the "aliens." In this sense. I believe that thousands and thousands of years ago, maybe 15,000 years ago or even more, beings from another planet came here and left us to evolve. And maybe our species wasn't the only one. Maybe there were others as well that either evolved or perished. Every single civilization looks to the skies, none more so than the Egyptians. And in fact, if you look at the deities these civilizations worshipped they were strange looking creatures too. The monuments they designed to worship their gods all point heaven ward. Their myths usually involve some "god" coming down to earth and impregnating a human. .

Watch the Phenomenon. These people aren't conspiracy theorists on DL. They're high rollers in every walk of life, establishment (Mellons, Rockefellers, former US presidents, etc) government officials, military, and they're saying, "Get ready."

zzzzz r65

Advanced tech. Ours. There's still some shit dating back to the 80s yet to be unveiled for some reason. Now we are in the 2020s and the really experimental stuff must be pretty damn cool.

Whoooosh

When I was 5, my Dad brought home 3 Polaroid pictures from work. We had them overnight in our house. They looked to me like someone threw a hubcap in the air and took a picture of it. But my Dad explained that his coworker Rex had taken them while on the job. They both worked for the Orange County Road Department in southern California. The next morning he took the photos back to work and gave them back to Rex. I pretty much forgot about them for years. At the time he took the photos, southern Orange County was still mostly agricultural, and not nearly as built up as it is now.

Maybe 25 years later, I was watching "Unsolved Mysteries" with Robert Stack as the host, and in one segment about UFOs, all of a sudden there on the screen were the same photos that had been sitting in our house for one night in 1965. In the intervening years they had become famous as the "Rex Heflin photos."

I talked with my Dad about it not long after that. Rex had made copies and mailed the original to Life Magazine, who thanked him, but said they were cancelling their UFO article as it was too controversial of a subject then. They had made copies of them for their files. Two men claiming to be from the Air Force showed up at Rex's home and asked to "borrow" the photos, which Rex complied with. Of course they disappeared and were neve retuned, but fortunately Rex had already made a bunch of copies and Life Magazine had made high-quality duplicates.

My Dad passed away about 10 years later, and unfortunately I never brought ot up with him again. I was going to try to get in touch with Rex, as he had known my Dad well, but by the time I located his contact information it was too late; Rex had already passed away. So I never got a chance to discuss it with Rex or find out any more about them. There are interviews with him available, in which he probably said everything he knew about it.

I did read in one article about Rex published after his death (I believe it was in the Orange County Register), that before he died, he received a plain envelope in the mail at his home. It was not marked from any sender, but it did contain his original three Polaroid photos. So in the end Rex got his photos back. At least that was sort of a conclusion to it, though the whole thing is still somewhat mysterious and controversial.

R62 that particular troll is well known to DL and has been putting this shit out for years along with other CT crap.

The Hudson Valley sightings seem credible.

R62, if you pressed me, I would say that i don't believe that aliens have visited earth. Most of the accounts are ridiculous and seem like they could easily be explained away.

But... I know what I saw in the tree line that night. I'm not saying that it was a UFO (it was very small), but i have no other reasonable explanation. It wasn't sleep paralysis because I was fully awake and smoking a cigarette. It wasn't somebody playing a trick because there was nobody else around. It wasn't a reflected light because there are no other house around. I was half tempted to follow it back in the woods, but it was too cold and I was honestly freaked out.

Why don't you fuck off to some other thread, R70, if the subject bother you soooo much, ya cunt?

R73 because I don't have to, cunt. Why so bothered?

It seems unlikely aliens would look fundamentally like us in general form, as the Greys do, unless there was a genetic relationship. Which would imply either they have engineered us, or they're an unknown distant relative that is from here and have hidden themselves, or they are our descendants.

I believe that the Roswell shit happened. It's fun to believe. Who cares if I am wrong?

You're believing what "experts" say about these experiences not being real. It's not sleep paralysis.

On a recent episode, the boys at the Last Podcast on the Left took a deep dive into the Trinity UFO crash.

The Australian and Zimbabwean school experiences seem the most believable to me. Anything with a mass audience.

A couple of weeks ago I saw something that looked exactly like a shooting star, but it was in front of the clouds.

I think it’s pretty likely that there’s life out there and maybe we’ve been visited. I can’t stand the people who are all “take your meds, sweetie” about it. Such galling arrogance.

This interview with Linda M. Howe always fascinated me.

At the 28:00 mark, she talks about US gov. scientist whistleblowers who have learned about the Astral dimension that surrounds our universe. Many of the aliens know about it & have warned us about tearing into it with our tech =

I love Linda Moulton Howe. She is a queen.

R82 Thanks for that. I wasn't aware of her before.

What's she's getting at is the same as R78 Trinity event.

I think the nuclear component is key to understanding why there have been so many sightings/events around nuclear areas/tests.

Too bad R81. I read these threads and realize exactly how deeply some of you need something, anything "higher" than you are whether it's God, a cult figure or something else. Easy to see how Q got started reading some of you guys. No one denies weird shit happens but to just emphatically declare it's the "grays" or other beings is arrogance in its own right akin to Jesus freaks telling everyone they're going to hell. Art Bell type shows are fun but not to be taken too seriously.

I go with terrestrial, experimental military aircraft. Now take your meds.

R85, I think it’s a form of hope for those who have discovered feet of clay.

Perhaps aliens will fix or destroy everything and we won’t have to clean up the mess we’ve created.

So kind of like religion then R86?

It seems like a lot of these events are real in the sense that something happened, and the witnesses' accounts are mostly accurate, but they're probably disparate phenomena that are all lumped together under one unifying UFO/extraterrestrial mythology that isn't reality based.

I love this one for how cute and whimsical it is. I think it's worth noting that this took place close to a military installation.

Also, the clown wasn't named Sam, he was addressing "Sam" and specifically said that he had no name.

^totally some psychological research, or God knows what, that involved a guy wearing weird prosthetics shouting "hullo children!" into a beatbox and inviting then for tea in a cottage 🤣

So English, in the best possible way.

Are you guys insane? The ones who don't believe in life on other planets? Are you idiots?

You really think in all the vastness of the universe, in all those billions of galaxies, so huge that if you travel at the speed of light it would take thousands of centuries to cross, you really think on this one little planet... that's it. We're soooo important.

You clearly have absolutely NO IDEA how big space is.

Carl Sagan made Contact for people like you.

Robert Zemeckis made Contact.

I'M AFRAID, STOP TALKING ABOUT ALIENS, IT SCARES ME!!!!

Here's a Soviet UFO incident from 1989:

'78 was a big year for UFOs in Britain & Ireland.

[Quote]The sky over County Sligo is definitely one of the most popular routes of those ‘little green men’ from outer space.

...is it?

R92 Carl Sagan wrote the novel "Contact," on which Robert Zemeckis' movie was based.

R91 no one said that, bitch.

Yes you did.

Nope. I just said they are not visiting us. I'm sure life exists somewhere and in some time, past or future, but we will never interact with it and flying here to visit.

R80 if it glowed green it may have been satellite debris falling.

R99 I think I interacted with it.

But I got scared and it disappeared.

We're not ready.

R78: Thanks for wasting my time with that podcast. It's just a bunch of douchebros shouting at each other.

Look. Of course there's intelligent life out there, and of course they have been here. As a Catholic kid I was taught by nuns that we formed from mud. Dirt. "God" made man into his image and likeness" from the clay of the earth. Now there's no way we evolved from a speck of matter to become what we are, nor is it true of the plant and animal life around us. I think we were set down here. Not as we are now, but the molecules and atoms and WTF ever that form life and made us came from somewhere else and the process was very deliberate. If I were them I would come back and kick some ass because of the way we are fucking up the environment, literally killing this planet.

How come Aliens 👽 NEVER land in New Jersey?

We're a simulation.

When I was 5, my Dad brought home 3 Polaroid pictures from work. We had them overnight in our house. They looked to me like someone threw a hubcap in the air and took a picture of it. But my Dad explained that his coworker Rex had taken them while on the job. They both worked for the Orange County Road Department in southern California. The next morning he took the photos back to work and gave them back to Rex. I pretty much forgot about them for years. At the time he took the photos, southern Orange County was still mostly agricultural, and not nearly as built up as it is now.

Maybe 25 years later, I was watching "Unsolved Mysteries" with Robert Stack as the host, and in one segment about UFOs, all of a sudden there on the screen were the same photos that had been sitting in our house for one night in 1965. In the intervening years they had become famous as the "Rex Heflin photos."

I talked with my Dad about it not long after that. Rex had made copies and mailed the original to Life Magazine, who thanked him, but said they were cancelling their UFO article as it was too controversial of a subject then. They had made copies of them for their files. Two men claiming to be from the Air Force showed up at Rex's home and asked to "borrow" the photos, which Rex complied with. Of course they disappeared and were neve retuned, but fortunately Rex had already made a bunch of copies and Life Magazine had made high-quality duplicates.

My Dad passed away about 10 years later, and unfortunately I never brought ot up with him again. I was going to try to get in touch with Rex, as he had known my Dad well, but by the time I located his contact information it was too late; Rex had already passed away. So I never got a chance to discuss it with Rex or find out any more about them. There are interviews with him available, in which he probably said everything he knew about it.

I did read in one article about Rex published after his death (I believe it was in the Orange County Register), that before he died, he received a plain envelope in the mail at his home. It was not marked from any sender, but it did contain his original three Polaroid photos. So in the end Rex got his photos back. At least that was sort of a conclusion to it.

You posted this upthread

We are never going to know what's going on, because we aren't meant to know. It's way, way above our pay grade as a species.

I truly believe even the government doesn't understand what these objects are, besides guess work.

They do appear to be engineered, technological objects. But even that is an informed guess.

R106 What did your dad think of the photos?

[quote] I think there are aliens and life on other planets and we’ll never know because they are so far away.

Aliens have been here for thousands of years. They made us. We are the results of their seeding of human life on the planet. And they continue to come and go at an amazing rate. They know how to bend space and time to make travel time from their worlds to ours much faster. People should realize that the earth is not ours. It's theirs.

R110 this little dot does not seem that important in the grand scheme of the universe.

We know only a tiny bit about our own solar system. With our current technology it would take man almost 7000 years to reach the outer edge of our own solar system. That little blue dot may not mean anything to beings from solar systems in the far reaches of the universe, but to those much closer we may be one of a tiny few worlds conducive to life.

I think it's pretty arrogant to say one way or the other on whether we've been, or can be, visited. Yes, space is huge, speed of light as far as we know is a limitation, etc., but the first manmade satellite was only in the 1950s. With hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands or more years of science and tech development ,are you really so confident that NO solution to interstellar travel can be found? And if so, why not go on an exploration journey around the galaxy?

I understand the desire to laugh at the UFO nuts who think every airplane is an alien ship, and I'm on the side that classified aircraft account for basically all of the UFO sightings that don't have more mundane explanations, but I'm not convinced that visitation by aliens is impossible. That is taking it too far.

No one's mentioned the Phoenix Lights yet? The governor of Arizona saw them.

The Battle of Los Angeles, listed as "U.S. National Defense vs. apparently nothing."

Pretty sure we've been visiting based on the sightings.

If it's true aliens on earth just left some DNA to evolve they seem really lazy.

"Should we try to construct them all live in harmony?"

"Nah, let's just leave them to duke it out amongst themselves in a dog eat dog world. Whatever happens, happens. Actually, let's see what happens."

I think that most of the people who don't believe in this kind of stuff are that way because of a fear of the unknown. They'll never admit that, of course, and slap a 'I'm so scientific' label on it, but it's straight-up fear.

Completely agree r118. And r113 nailed it in their post 100%.

R110 I believe as you do, especially after reading much on the topic of abductees' experiences of what aliens have communicated to them in "downloads" of images. Listening to some accounts of experiencer's NDEs, and past life recall, I lean more into the theory of how the aliens engineered already existing and evolving primates here on Earth. I believe they continue fiddling with their experiment here.

No crazier than believing other creation stories really. Going back to ancient times, many scholars suspect the Sumerians, the Nephilim, the Annunaki, and others were all aliens, or alien-human hybrids.

R120 It's a little weird the way alien mythology has morphed over the years into them being ancient ancestors. So tribal!

In the 50s they were space communists.

Our nation's capital assaulted by communists FROM SPACE!

In all seriousness, whatever it was showed up on radar. It wasn't a mass hallucination.

[quote]I think that most of the people who don't believe in this kind of stuff are that way because of a fear of the unknown. They'll never admit that, of course, and slap a 'I'm so scientific' label on it, but it's straight-up fear.

I don't believe in a sky fairy so that makes me afraid?

It's the biggest open secret in modern history, maybe ever.

Linda rebroadcasted this show recently =

I'd rather face an alien armada than listen to Linda Moulton And Howe.

I believe most encounters with aliens...

in particular, rednecks being anal probe

are the result of DL elders dressed in 70s metallic glam or 80s fetish gear with glowsticks and a handful of pixie dust. . .

R125 She rebroadcast it.

A long time ago (2000) I dated someone who worked for the ***, who answered directly to the Director. I asked him about UFOs. His flat, curt reply was "there is no evidence." My interpretation was they won't admit to having evidence, it is being destroyed, or stored somewhere the public doesn't know about. He was/is a humorless fellow, so it wasn't a joke.

I'd sooner believe the ex-army intelligence officer and 40-year jumbo jet pilot I spoke with who said, "Oh yes, they're here".

About 20 years ago, I had a few "dates" with Washington D.C. Bob who did have some kinda security clearance and all. I asked him if UFO's and aliens existed. All he said was IF they did exist? The majority of countries and societies are built upon various religions, and what a clusterfuck it would be for people all over the world if UFO's/aliens were true. It would blow their entire belief systems in the water. (Personally, I believe them to be true.)

R132 I'm not familiar with that agency.

R134 I think our dates may have been with the same guy. Did "D.C. Bob" rim for hours?

A few years ago, I had a date with a humorless, secretive Martian. I asked him if there were aliens, and he flatly denied it and changed the subject. I took his reaction to mean that he's ashamed of his heritage and wanted to pretend like his homeland didn't exist. Ultimately, we broke up because he had three penises and I could fit only two of them in my mouth at one time.

R137 Yeah, but I bet you can take all three up your ass at once, amiright?

I noticed after watching some documentaries that the most reports of UFOs took place in the 50's and 60's and then seemed to lessen after that.