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Karen Carpenter's final interviews (thread #2)

A healthier Karen is still working herself to the bone.

This time, Merv Griffin and special friends. Originally broadcast on November 2nd 1981.

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by Anonymousreply 255September 12, 2022 3:26 PM

WTF is Olivia wearing?

by Anonymousreply 1February 23, 2022 1:27 AM

I feel like had Karen lived and gotten treatment, she'd have been the headliner of the next Barbara Walters Special.

by Anonymousreply 2February 23, 2022 2:52 AM

Karen and Richard would be playing Branson. Or state fairs. That is the truth. She died a bit young - but they were already fucking boring.

by Anonymousreply 3February 23, 2022 2:56 AM

As has been mentioned, they probably would've had a resurgence with the Adult Contemporary sound that was so big in the second half of the 80s. They probably would've needed outside producers, though, and perhaps Richard wouldn't have been too keen on that idea.

by Anonymousreply 4February 23, 2022 5:29 AM

She’d only just begun, to live…

by Anonymousreply 5February 23, 2022 5:41 AM

Everyone in that interview is gay.

by Anonymousreply 6February 23, 2022 7:28 PM

Karen's story was a bit disturbing. She survived an accident on her husband's yacht near Catalina Island? This aired just before Natalie's tragedy. They even look alike.

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by Anonymousreply 7February 24, 2022 1:40 AM

Karen Carpenter looked like the prow of a ship, but nothing like the beautiful Natalie Wood.

by Anonymousreply 8February 24, 2022 1:52 AM

She was so fucking ugly

by Anonymousreply 9February 24, 2022 1:55 AM

Where is the link to part one, OP? What are people going to do if they’re reading this years from now?

by Anonymousreply 10February 24, 2022 2:00 AM

Karen was cute, although not beautiful, when she was a normal weight. The extreme weight loss was obviously not kind to her features.

by Anonymousreply 11February 24, 2022 6:41 AM

[quote] The marriage to Burris was a disaster. While Karen assumed he had his own money -- he drove flash cars -- it became apparent he was broke. He spent her money, asking for anything up to $50,000 at a time until she had nothing but investments left. He was cruel and impatient with her, calling her a "bag of bones" and telling her he would never have a child with her. Karen filed for divorce in 1981.

Karen filed for divorce within days of the interview.

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by Anonymousreply 12February 26, 2022 1:38 AM

She let a fine young man go.

by Anonymousreply 13February 26, 2022 2:05 AM

And her pussy stank! She never washed those fat beef curtains!

by Anonymousreply 14February 26, 2022 2:32 AM

Olivia's take on Rainy Days

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by Anonymousreply 15February 26, 2022 6:08 AM

Here's the wedding (the relationship was already over at this point).

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by Anonymousreply 16February 26, 2022 6:38 AM

Link to part one since OP is a dumbass.

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by Anonymousreply 17February 26, 2022 6:45 AM

I expected her to start singing 'Gloria'

by Anonymousreply 18February 26, 2022 6:57 AM

Karen's home in Downey, CA:

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by Anonymousreply 19February 26, 2022 10:32 PM

They lived in a shithole

by Anonymousreply 20February 26, 2022 10:51 PM

[quote]Karen's story was a bit disturbing. She survived an accident on her husband's yacht near Catalina Island? This aired just before Natalie's tragedy. They even look alike.

Well, Helen Keller, they [italic]do[/italic] look alike now, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 21February 26, 2022 11:01 PM

I've always wondered if Karen was a repressed lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 22February 26, 2022 11:26 PM

Karen and her BFF Olivia Newton-John, looking like a couple of dykey PE teachers.

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by Anonymousreply 23February 26, 2022 11:28 PM

A shame it's not a pussycat cake.

by Anonymousreply 24February 27, 2022 12:15 AM

R22, of course she was. She was a lesbian who wanted children. I know it all too well because I am also a lesbian who wanted children (but never had them, as I am a rational person first - with 8 billion people in the world, and a fucked-up world at that, I thoroughly refuse). So, I know one when I see one. She was one.

She had a sweetness and a neediness, and an actual need for non-platonic, requited love; and for sex that is both tender and wild; and for true, honest commitment, all of which she probably never had. She came from abuse and horror, but she herself was good, and she tried to break out from all that bullshit, but couldn't, so she slowly killed herself.

It's really fucking sad.

by Anonymousreply 25February 27, 2022 1:15 AM

Karen looked so healthy in R16. She must have just stopped eating after the wedding, as one year later she was a skeleton.

I believe she died of a broken heart. The shelved album, her failed marriage, and Agnes' mental abuse were too much for someone so fragile.

by Anonymousreply 26February 27, 2022 2:14 AM

Looks like Casey Kasem at her wedding? Funny how all those weddings at that time looked alike, I sat through so many of my relatives being I was the youngest on both sides of the family.

by Anonymousreply 27February 27, 2022 2:44 AM

[quote] Karen looked so healthy in [R16]. She must have just stopped eating after the wedding, as one year later she was a skeleton.

That would make sense, R26. She did not want any of that, so she took herself out.

by Anonymousreply 28February 27, 2022 2:49 AM

She looked good and was very pretty at the time of her wedding. Too bad she couldn't stay that way. As the other poster said, within a year she was skin and bones again.

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by Anonymousreply 29February 27, 2022 3:10 AM

Karen near the end...

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by Anonymousreply 30February 27, 2022 3:11 AM

[quote] She had a sweetness and a neediness, and an actual need for non-platonic, requited love

Karen's streaming numbers remain very high for a 70s artist.

This song did not even hit the top 20, yet it has 5000+ Youtube comments.

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by Anonymousreply 31February 27, 2022 3:24 AM

Well said R25.

by Anonymousreply 32February 27, 2022 3:27 AM

Anyone catch this creepy af reenactment of Karen's life played by Barbie and Ken dolls? It was, unsurprisingly, directed by Todd Haynes. The mother character especially creeps me the fuck out.

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by Anonymousreply 33February 27, 2022 3:41 AM

Richard sang at her wedding

by Anonymousreply 34February 27, 2022 5:17 AM

R33, I've seen that film many times; it's one of my favorite experimental movies. The use of Barbie dolls seems weird, campy, and yes, even a little creepy at first, but if you really think about Karen's life, there is no better way to portray her story than with Barbie dolls. Karen was abused and manipulated by those around her in the same way that a child would manipulate a Barbie doll when playing with it. If you ever played with Barbies as a kid, you'll know that they are not very malleable. They are rather stiff, and it's not very hard to pop their arms off. They have an image of strength because they're plastic, but once you manipulate them too much, they break.

The way that Haynes destroys the Karen doll towards the end of the film as her anorexia consumes her could not be replicated with a real person. And how horrifying the doll looks towards the end is, unfortunately, not much of an exaggeration of how the real Karen ended up looking at her worst. There is an obvious irony to the use of Barbie dolls to portray Karen. The Barbie doll had been seen as an idealized image of the female body, and they used the doll to act out a story in which Karen's femininity was distorted by anorexia. You could also look at the dolls as a way of reflecting how the Carpenters were marketed by their record company as having a very clean, suburban, plastic image and how that plastic image was hiding something very sinister underneath (hence the degradation of the dolls).

Superstar was banned after Richard Carpenter found out about the film (and what it had to say about him) and successfully sued Haynes (he never got permission to use the music). Thus, the only way to watch the film is through bootlegs. Which is why the film is of such low video quality. I think that the degraded quality of the video in some ways adds to the film, as the video quality could be compared to how Karen herself degrades. I know that Richard eventually co-directed his own Karen film, but I haven't seen it.

The way the film uses music is very good. I really like how the film twists the song "Top of the World" during a montage showing ex-lax boxes and salads while also cutting to a scale (with decreasing weight each time it is shown). Karen probably had a sense of euphoria when she lost a lot of weight.

I also always admired the attention to detail that can be seen in the miniature sets and props.

I could probably write an entire essay on this film. lol

by Anonymousreply 35February 27, 2022 6:30 AM

Those family acts were cute in the 70s (Donny & Marie, Kristy and Jimmy McNichol, etc.) but passe by the 80s. Richard wanted them to have a long and lucrative career but didn't realize the moment had passed. He was also very thin at that time and I think he thought it made them appear younger.

They should have just retired.

by Anonymousreply 36February 27, 2022 6:51 AM

Karen was not a nice person. Anorexics are among the most manipulative and power mad of the mentally ill. She had no desire to "get better." It's a game to them.

by Anonymousreply 37March 1, 2022 11:35 PM

she was not attractive at all. By the 80s music videos were in style and your image and looks were important. She was butt ugly.

by Anonymousreply 38March 1, 2022 11:37 PM

Richard and Karen were lifelong sibling lovers.

by Anonymousreply 39March 1, 2022 11:38 PM

Let’s see I can watch a music video with an ugly anorexic singing Muzak with words


Jody Watley

by Anonymousreply 40March 1, 2022 11:41 PM

Her hair had all of the features and natural stylings of out of control pubic hair.

by Anonymousreply 41March 1, 2022 11:43 PM

Karen and Richard would not have been part of the MTV set, they would've been Adult Contemporary which was also huge in the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 42March 1, 2022 11:44 PM

In the 80s VH1 showed adult contemporary videos. No carpenters allowed. They were more unhip than Helen Reddy in the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 43March 1, 2022 11:47 PM

No way would the Carpenters have been on MTV in the 80s, they would've been marketed in the Adult Contemporary genre, which exploded as Boomers hit middle age. Bette Midler, Rod Stewart, Bruce Hornsby, Gloria Estefan were not MTV artists and they were racking up hits in the second half of the 80s. If the Carpenters had been around, they would've been in that category.

by Anonymousreply 44March 1, 2022 11:48 PM

^Wow. Someone is on a tear about this low-calorie bitch and I am loving it!

by Anonymousreply 45March 2, 2022 12:00 AM

R37 is right- And you can see that side come out in that brilliant interview.


by Anonymousreply 46March 2, 2022 12:03 AM

The Carpenters were unpopular during the late 70s too.

by Anonymousreply 47March 2, 2022 12:13 AM

R44 MTV and VH1 showed those artists videos.

by Anonymousreply 48March 2, 2022 12:15 AM

Karen was awesome and has all time classic songs in the early and mid 70s. Not beyond that. They were unable to adapt to changing music styles and trends.

by Anonymousreply 49March 2, 2022 12:18 AM

MTV didn't r48

by Anonymousreply 50March 2, 2022 12:28 AM

Gloria Estefan was on MTV. ROD Stewart was on MTV. Bruce Hornsby was on MTV.

by Anonymousreply 51March 2, 2022 12:30 AM

R50 is an obvious idiot.

by Anonymousreply 52March 2, 2022 12:30 AM

R50 Gloria was current with her looks and style. Karen wasn’t anything style wise except an ugly skeleton

by Anonymousreply 53March 2, 2022 12:32 AM

Diana Ross' "Do You Know Where You're Going To" was made for Karen, she should have made a cover.

If she hadn't died, they would have played Branson, the Indian casinos, Laughlin, NV. They wouldn't have remained "big" like they were in the early '70s, but they would have worked.

by Anonymousreply 54March 2, 2022 12:33 AM

Gloria Estefan and Bruce Hornsby were VH1 artists. If MTV played them, it wasn't very often. By the late 80s MTV was in the thrall of hair metal - they played far too much of it - and all the pop stars like Michael Jackson and Madonna.

If Karen had lived, the Carpenters definitely could've had a resurgence with the Adult Contemporary sound that aging Boomers loved in the late 80s.

by Anonymousreply 55March 2, 2022 12:38 AM

The Carpenters could very well have fit in with the Easy Listening/Yacht Rock type thing well enough. That could very well have been it, though, unless Karen found someone better to work with for a duet or perhaps just played the drums for someone else as a one off on an l.p. (perhaps for Christopher Cross or somebody, I dunno) in order to disturb the status quo because she could truly play the drums very well.

Fuck if I know.

One thing is for sure. Karen Carpenter was just quite something else. She's been dead for ages now and yet she still haunts some of us somehow. I highly respect your opinion R25 and totally agree with it.

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by Anonymousreply 56March 2, 2022 12:44 AM

Nothing beats the Karen Carpenter workout plan:

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by Anonymousreply 57March 2, 2022 12:59 AM

Those Pisces women are always so enigmatic & fucked up. And then it turns out they are all just fucked up but not so enigmatic. Pills, Liquor, Mens, Ex-lax. Delusion. Pisces is the sign of magic and mystery - uncontrollable charm and appeal. In youth. Constant illness and addiction. Heartbreak Sequelae with age. Liza, Liz, Karen, Drew Barrymore, Sharon Stone.

Regardless, Happy Birthday Karen.

Richard is plunging his dick into a cake with your face on it. Like he always does on March 2. Then a re-release of Rainy Days and Mondays with some Asian girl who sounds almost like you.

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by Anonymousreply 58March 2, 2022 7:43 AM

R58 How do you fit Marian Anderson, Joanne Woodward and the very sober Chelsea Clinton into that reasoning?

by Anonymousreply 59March 2, 2022 10:09 AM

March 2nd is her birthday. She would have been 72.

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by Anonymousreply 60March 2, 2022 8:19 PM

No they would t have fit in. Compare their 1981 sound to ANY other AC artist in 1981. Carpenters sound old hat and stuck in 1972.

by Anonymousreply 61March 2, 2022 9:10 PM

They were non visual artists. Best heard and not seen circa 1970.

by Anonymousreply 62March 2, 2022 9:10 PM

They would've updated their sound, as all artists do.

by Anonymousreply 63March 2, 2022 11:26 PM

Where were all her friends (like ONJ and Miss Warwick) when she was starving herself to death?

by Anonymousreply 64March 2, 2022 11:31 PM

They tried to help but if you've ever dealt with an anorexic you know they're impossible. Also, people have their own lives to live and own careers to attend to. There's only so much time.

by Anonymousreply 65March 2, 2022 11:47 PM

R65 as someone who's friend went through the same thing, though thankfully it never got quite as bad as with Karen, it's 100% true. Short of tying her down and force feeding her, there's not much any friend could do. As with any substance or alcohol abuse issue, the one with the problem needs to take the initiative. What's said is in the end it did seem that Karen knew she was sick and wanted to get better but it was too late. Too many years of starving and fucking with her body did her in.

by Anonymousreply 66March 2, 2022 11:58 PM

[quote]Short of tying her down and force feeding her, there's not much any friend could do.

Actually, that more or less happened when she was hospitalized and it still didn't do any good.

by Anonymousreply 67March 3, 2022 12:05 AM

I think Miss Warwick did try to help by trying to share her reefer and inducing the munchies. But Karen was too square for that.

by Anonymousreply 68March 3, 2022 12:07 AM

The Carpenters put out their sixth million selling album "Horizon" in 1975. Unfortunately, they followed it up with a real schmaltzy LP, with terrible single releases. Their next album "Passage" was great and (for them) experimental. Great singles, too, but by then it was too late....music tastes had changed. They never had another top 20 hit again, except for "Touch Me When We're Dancing" in 1981.

by Anonymousreply 69March 3, 2022 12:19 AM

R67 thats something family can do......not friends

by Anonymousreply 70March 3, 2022 12:24 AM

I find it disturbing seeing her with anorexia during her last couple of years. She looked awful. While anorexia was not much recognized in the general public as a disease/illness in the early 80s, surely those close to her recognized she looked extremely unhealthy and very nutrition deficient. Apparently she was under a physician's care, but her family and friends didn't seem highly alarmed about her condition. She was hiding anorexia habits, including the substances she bought for forced regurgitation. She needed a psychiatrist experienced in treating her disorder.

by Anonymousreply 71March 3, 2022 12:28 AM

She was destined to die

by Anonymousreply 72March 3, 2022 12:51 AM

Anorexia Nervosa really came into the American consciousness with the TV movie The Best Little Girl in the World, which was broadcast in May of 1981. It came at the peak of own illness that began on my birthday at the end of February that year when I turned 16 and weighed 165 pounds and swore I would never be fat again and stopped eating, stopped sleeping and was excessively exercising. By September I was hovering around 105 pounds and felt if only I could get below 100 pounds I would never have to worry about my weight again.

I used the book, movie and all the articles that were being written about it in magazines and newspapers at that time, which I accessed through my school library, as a “handbook” how to be the best Anorexic anyone could ever be. It played perfectly into my perfectionist personality.

Jodie Foster was supposed to play the role, but after stress eating at Yale due to the Presidential assassination attempt, Jennifer Jason Leigh got the part, becoming Anorexic during the filming herself. Karen’s death really resulted in a second wave of media coverage about it, making the early 80s awash in it for the start of the decade.

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by Anonymousreply 73March 3, 2022 12:55 AM

Here is Miss Warwick introducing Miss Richard on "A Solid Gold Christmas".

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by Anonymousreply 74March 3, 2022 6:10 AM

Interview with Richard and the parents after Karen's death.

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by Anonymousreply 75March 3, 2022 6:20 AM

Agnes was such a cold hearted bitch!

by Anonymousreply 76March 3, 2022 7:12 AM

Agnes didn't love Karen at all. It's like she resented Karen's very existence because it took the spotlight off of Richard as if Richard would have had anything like the success he enjoyed without Karen's voice.

by Anonymousreply 77March 3, 2022 5:29 PM

We really need to hear Agnes's side of the story.

by Anonymousreply 78March 3, 2022 5:56 PM

[quote]We really need to hear Agnes's side of the story.

She was too fat, and she wasn't Richard. She should have stuck to playing drums in Richard's back up band.

That's really it.

by Anonymousreply 79March 3, 2022 6:09 PM

I told her she should stay in the background, and you can only stay in the background if you are THIN.

by Anonymousreply 80March 3, 2022 6:12 PM

Karen and Richard on the Dating Game.

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by Anonymousreply 81March 3, 2022 11:50 PM

Where did Karen and Richard go on their first date?

by Anonymousreply 82March 3, 2022 11:52 PM

Agnes coldly remembers Karen's last day:

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by Anonymousreply 83March 4, 2022 12:06 AM

r81 was that not major cringe or was it me? Karen was obviously not having that much fun and the guys were all uggos and weird.

Also Karen was already really thin in 1970...when was she supposed to have been chubby?

by Anonymousreply 84March 4, 2022 12:06 AM

Here is Karen at a healthier weight. I remember reading somewhere that she was very bothered by the size of her hips. The outfit she is wearing in this video doesn't help her at all.

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by Anonymousreply 85March 4, 2022 12:17 AM

r86 Richard later revealed in an interview that her hips were the source of her insecurities.

by Anonymousreply 86March 4, 2022 12:57 AM

She looks perfectly fine in R85...she was never meant to be a model or a sex symbol type singer so who cares if she wasn't stick thin?

by Anonymousreply 87March 4, 2022 1:01 AM

Celine is skinny AND a much better singer. Still ALIVE! Still singing. Still not eating. Karen was weak.

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by Anonymousreply 88March 4, 2022 1:07 AM

Karen has all the appeal of a celery stick.

by Anonymousreply 89March 4, 2022 1:09 AM

They really ought to get Anya Taylor Joy to play her in the biopic. She strongly resembles Karen, and not just because she's stick-thin.

by Anonymousreply 90March 4, 2022 1:14 AM

This thread is boring

by Anonymousreply 91March 4, 2022 1:18 AM

To the above poster r55 Gloria Estefan and Rod Stewart especially were always on MTV back in the 80's

by Anonymousreply 92March 4, 2022 5:40 AM

Estefan and Stewart were VH1

by Anonymousreply 93March 4, 2022 5:45 AM

In the early to mid 80's Stewart videos were on MTV constantly.

by Anonymousreply 94March 4, 2022 5:47 AM

And after Gloria Estefan had her bus accident in 1990 MTV was playing her too

by Anonymousreply 95March 4, 2022 5:48 AM

Rod Stewarts switch to AC was not played on MTV in the later 80s. Gloria Estefan was never on MTV much at all.

by Anonymousreply 96March 4, 2022 5:54 AM

I remember MTV being obsessed with hair metal in the late 80s. They played far too much of it. That garbage music didn't deserve to be that popular.

by Anonymousreply 97March 4, 2022 5:55 AM

[quote] Rod Stewarts switch to AC was not played on MTV in the later 80s.

His MTV Unplugged was huge, early 90s.

by Anonymousreply 98March 4, 2022 3:44 PM

Even if Richard and Karen didn't do much in the 80s, the 70s nostalgia of the 1990s would have been great for them. They'd have gotten a couple of albums and tours out of it at the least.

by Anonymousreply 99March 4, 2022 3:50 PM

I’ve never understood the weird adoration for her or The Carpenters. It’s boring Muzak at best. The one thing I will give her is that she sounded the same live as she did on recording, a major achievement in the current recording world.

by Anonymousreply 100March 4, 2022 4:28 PM

^ That's because she mostly lip synced "live." Yes, even when they still did concerts. Almost always after they became famous. Richard was a control freak about the dark basement tones of her voice. And though she had near perfect intonation and could sing as well live - she couldn't reproduce the multi-tracked vocal depth of ALL their recordings. Karen was a mic singer - with the mic very close to her mouth. Because she had little power or fullness to her vocal production. Her tone was rich. But she was not a powerful singer. She lip synced all their TV specials and most of their concerts.

Richard seems proud of this. He's still nutty after all these years. Karen was a gorgeous impeccable STUDIO singer. This is her single one take lead vocal for a song never produced. The lead vocal is never meant to be the final product. It's just for instrumentation and arrangement purposes. Then when that's done - Karen would record a more perfect vocal. She never lived to record this actual song. Richard sweetened it up in his ASS.

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by Anonymousreply 101March 4, 2022 4:51 PM

The fucking 'ancient white fags' troll really has a hate-on for Karen Carpenter. No, Karen did not lip synch in concert, at least not on a regular basis. They went to painstaking lengths to recreate exactly how they sounded on the record when they performed in concert. This has all been documented in many sources.

Lip synching on variety shows in the 70s was standard practice. Also, American Bandstand and Soul Train always had the artists lip sync. That was just a normal part of shows that had musical numbers in those days.

by Anonymousreply 102March 4, 2022 6:15 PM

r101 just pulls shit out of his all like it's the fucking Holy Gospel. He doesn't know fuck all.

by Anonymousreply 103March 4, 2022 6:16 PM

[quote]And though she had near perfect intonation and could sing as well live - she couldn't reproduce the multi-tracked vocal depth of ALL their recordings.

She didn't do the multi-track singing in concert, if you've ever bothered to watch actual concert footage that was live on stage and not part of a variety show. Fucking moron.

by Anonymousreply 104March 4, 2022 6:17 PM

How old are you, R100. If you weren't there, of course the appeal wouldn't make sense. Their type of music and the way they dressed was considered kind of chic in certain strata. When President Nixon would entertain at The White House it was The Carpenters and their type of easy listening that would be the musical entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 105March 4, 2022 7:09 PM

She was never ever beautiful. Never ever.

by Anonymousreply 106March 4, 2022 9:21 PM

Nope, Karen made barely it to cute when she was young and healthy. That's why she should have married a hot trophy husband and been content to be the breadwinner. Rich, successful, barely cute men do that all the time.

by Anonymousreply 107March 4, 2022 9:23 PM

She was married emotionally and professionally to Richard

by Anonymousreply 108March 4, 2022 9:31 PM

She was married to the toilet bowl.

by Anonymousreply 109March 4, 2022 9:36 PM

Why didn’t Richard die from the effects of anorexia, too? And why doesn’t spellcheck help you out when you start typing difficult words? Richard looked as unhealthy as Karen. I remember seeing a picture of him in a swimsuit and he looked haggard, drawn and sickly.

by Anonymousreply 110March 4, 2022 9:47 PM

Richard wasn't anorexic. He was a pillhead.

by Anonymousreply 111March 4, 2022 9:51 PM

R110. I always thought he was on more than Quaaludes. I mean, really? Quaaludes brought him to rehab?! Of all things.

I'm linking to the Carpenters live. There is no lip synching here and Karen Carpenter is really playing the drums, I play the drums and can tell that it is all her with her heavy Buddy Rich influence.

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by Anonymousreply 112March 4, 2022 10:04 PM

I love and will miss Karen forever. Beautiful voice.

by Anonymousreply 113March 4, 2022 11:04 PM

Within her comfortable one octave range, she had some golden tones.

by Anonymousreply 114March 4, 2022 11:09 PM

Karen was no Anne Murray.

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by Anonymousreply 115March 4, 2022 11:29 PM

A great LIVE performance from the Carpenters, getting late in their game. Karen's voice is still flawless and bright and full of rich dynamic tones. She DIDN'T have a big range but she colored each not and phrase with a lot skill and variety. No pressure in her singing - long steady notes, beautiful intonation. Her smooth lines of legato phrasing without belting are really impressive. There's just enough wobble in this performance to prove her human. Good work.

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by Anonymousreply 116March 4, 2022 11:56 PM

Richard looks very thin in this 1976 concert:

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by Anonymousreply 117March 4, 2022 11:57 PM

Richard was addicted to pills, must've been why HE was so thin.

by Anonymousreply 118March 5, 2022 12:04 AM

Someone upthread pegged Karen as a Nixon girl. So true. The Carpenters were presented as an antidote to all those “awful” problematic Sixties stars like Jimi, Janis, and Jim Morrison. Once the counter-culture was neutralized the Carpenters were just another cornball act like Captain and Tenielle or Tony Orlando. They really had no future except maybe in Branson or second rate Vegas clubs.

by Anonymousreply 119March 5, 2022 12:29 AM

Exactly R119. The real little girl blue was also singing in 1970. Rogers and Hart no less.

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by Anonymousreply 120March 5, 2022 12:38 AM

[quote] They really had no future except maybe in Branson or second rate Vegas clubs.

Then how do you explain the streaming numbers for these 50 year old songs? Younger generations are finding comfort in these old clips, as unhip as they seemed. I don't see Gen Z listening to many Doors or Joan Baez songs.

by Anonymousreply 121March 5, 2022 12:42 AM

Richard and Karen were exceptional at times. A.prime example is They long to be Close to You. They were in their element inside the recording studio.

Merry Christmas, Darling is one of my all-time fave holiday songs

by Anonymousreply 122March 5, 2022 12:49 AM

Don’t know. But this is the same generation that swooned over Dear Evan Hansen and has made MCU such a cultural juggernaut.

by Anonymousreply 123March 5, 2022 12:51 AM

[quote]They really had no future except maybe in Branson or second rate Vegas clubs.

Bullshit. The Carpenters had a big revival in the 90s with Gen Xers, who truly appreciated how good they really were. I definitely think if Karen had lived the Carpenters would've had a successful second act.

by Anonymousreply 124March 5, 2022 12:57 AM

But she didn't live and has been dead for 39 years. So that's that.

Karen had no personality or glamour. A lovely voice but a very bland singer. She needed more than those old hits to have a comeback in the 90s.

Branson would have been home to the Carpenters. A PBS special, with fundraising breaks.

RIP Karen. You left a corpse. And then you died.

by Anonymousreply 125March 5, 2022 1:07 AM

[quote]She needed more than those old hits to have a comeback in the 90s.

Like they wouldn't have made new music 🙄

by Anonymousreply 126March 5, 2022 1:51 AM

^ You're a fucking moron R126. Carpenters would have made new music, duh - but they could never transcend their soulless tapioca tastes and zombie personalities.

Listen to Karen's recording of Don't Cry For Me Argentina when you need a 6 minute nap.

by Anonymousreply 127March 5, 2022 2:00 AM

[quote] Karen had no personality or glamour.

Here's the "personality and glamour" of the AWF troll's idol. Many prefer Karen's timeless style.

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by Anonymousreply 128March 5, 2022 2:03 AM

[quote]but they could never transcend their soulless tapioca tastes and zombie personalities.

They would've moved with the times, like all of their contemporaries did. Linda Ronstadt was doing adult contemporary in the late 80s and had some hits. People change their sound as time goes on. God, you're a moron.

by Anonymousreply 129March 5, 2022 2:07 AM

WoW. So you're a RACIST as well as being a 80 year old f@g with bad taste in music? R128 is a sad old gay granny. What a surprise. Crack is whack - how original? R128.

Whitney and at least 80 other female recording artists were more important vocalists than Karen Carpenter.

by Anonymousreply 130March 5, 2022 2:11 AM

^^Muriel needs to exterminate this cockroach

by Anonymousreply 131March 5, 2022 2:14 AM

The truth should hurt you R131. You post old man nonsense. OLD drunk U are.

You are always stocking other posters and spreading racist hate on this site. We see your other posts.


by Anonymousreply 132March 5, 2022 2:21 AM

^^get some help you sad, sorry person

by Anonymousreply 133March 5, 2022 2:24 AM

The sadness lives in you, R133. Alongside your cheap opinions and poisonous spirit.

May jesus visit healing to your troubled mind and body - this night. 🙏🏾🙏🏾

by Anonymousreply 134March 5, 2022 2:50 AM

Janis Joplin was something beautiful. Thanks R120.

by Anonymousreply 135March 5, 2022 2:55 AM

May Muriel finally fumigate r134 and all his aliases from DL. Or at least red tag him.

by Anonymousreply 136March 5, 2022 2:55 AM

r135 and r120 are the same ancient white fags troll, talking to himself again. MartaLira is one of his sockpuppets.

by Anonymousreply 137March 5, 2022 2:56 AM

[quote]Super Bowl LVI halftime performers this Sunday [quote] Just fucking kill yourself [R309]. You are useless.

[quote]R310 is reported. There will be full thread on this action soon.

Hmmm......the above quotes were from another thread awhile ago and still no action and still no "full thread" MartaLira/Ancient White Fags Troll is full of empty threats!

by Anonymousreply 138March 5, 2022 2:58 AM

Datalounge is well aware of your situation R138. You are living in a nursing home, wearing a diaper and often tied down R138. Some night nurse gives you access to multiple computers R138. Everyone there and here expects you to die soon. No further action is required. Or possible. You're a sad old white racist f@g. A dying breed.

by Anonymousreply 139March 5, 2022 3:07 AM

I'm actually enjoying the view of Midtown right now r139. In an apartment you would never, ever be able to afford.

by Anonymousreply 140March 5, 2022 3:09 AM

Sock pappy is what they call you at the home?

by Anonymousreply 141March 5, 2022 3:11 AM

Well! This thread was coming along so nicely, too …

by Anonymousreply 142March 5, 2022 3:27 AM

Speaking of Linda Ronstadt, Karen would've been good for Somewhere Out There. Maybe they would've offered it to her instead.

by Anonymousreply 143March 5, 2022 3:28 AM

Apparently, Karen was offered the role of Mattie in True Grit (John Wayne requested her) but the role, of course, went to Kim Darby. I wonder what roles Karen would've been good at if she had pursued an acting career during the 70's (and 80's had she lived)

by Anonymousreply 144March 5, 2022 4:35 AM

Karen couldn't act her way out of a barf bag. She might have played a horse at one time.

by Anonymousreply 145March 5, 2022 4:42 AM

Can you imagine Agnes's reaction if Karen had become a movie star too? She'd have assassinated her daughter herself.

by Anonymousreply 146March 7, 2022 6:43 PM

R144 she wasn’t attractive. Not camera ready.

by Anonymousreply 147March 7, 2022 6:48 PM

[quote] Everyone there and here expects you to die soon. No further action is required. Or possible. You're a sad old white racist f@g. A dying breed.

What kind of sociopath gets triggered by Karen Carpenter, of all people? Scary and disturbing.

by Anonymousreply 148March 7, 2022 7:07 PM

I told you motherfuckers that I was jus POOPED!!!



My legs just snapped in half and I am now 4 feet tall.

by Anonymousreply 149March 7, 2022 7:29 PM

r148 that troll is psycho

by Anonymousreply 150March 7, 2022 7:37 PM

R150 IS the troll. Has hundreds of posts on the two Karen Carpenter threads and even more on John Mulvaney threads. He hates blacks and Jews......wonder who it could be?

by Anonymousreply 151March 7, 2022 11:40 PM

R151 Already had him/her blocked.

by Anonymousreply 152March 8, 2022 12:24 AM

Op that pic is gross. Her hair looks like pubic hair. Ugly thing.

by Anonymousreply 153March 8, 2022 12:32 AM

I wonder why Karen didn't wear a wig during that time?

by Anonymousreply 154March 8, 2022 1:42 AM

Most chronic anorexics lose their hair and eventually their heart stops. That's the sequelae of that condition. Her brillo hair was the least of her worries. But of course she wouldn't see herself normally.

Anorexia is a mental illness. Karen was nuts before she was pooped. She couldn't even connect the two.

Move your food around your plate Anna Mae.

by Anonymousreply 155March 8, 2022 1:50 AM

R155 Yes, that's the issue that in part, makes anorexia so difficult to treat. Everyone with anorexia looks at themselves in the mirror and sees a distorted image of their bodies--so they still look fat to themselves even when their ribs stick out. Experts don't really know for sure if it's a delusion that the body appears larger than it is or a perceptual issue in the parietal lobes of the brain, but suspect it's the latter--that their brains actually have distorted perception. Either way, the distorted body image is why it is so hard to treat and so easy for anorexics to relapse.

Karen always saw herself as fat. That said, I thought she was recovering when she died and her heart just didn't have anything left after years of starvation and ipecac? Or was she still using syrup of ipecac to vomit just before her death?

by Anonymousreply 156March 10, 2022 8:25 PM

If someone wanted Karen killed, her anorexia provided the perfect cover story.

by Anonymousreply 157March 10, 2022 8:27 PM

R157 Agnes! I thought you were going to take that to your grave!

by Anonymousreply 158March 10, 2022 8:29 PM

why did her hair look like pubes?

by Anonymousreply 159March 10, 2022 10:07 PM

^ Richard mistook her head on a stick for an exfoliater.

by Anonymousreply 160March 10, 2022 10:10 PM

R159 I think it was explained earlier, nutritional deficiency ravage the hair of anorexics and many experience it falling out in clumps. It’s beyond something like just conditioning it. Also, when thin enough, the body beings to sprout a coarse hair all over the body in an attempt for it to keep itself warm since it no longer has the body fat to do that.

by Anonymousreply 161March 10, 2022 10:21 PM

r161 are you shitting me?!!

by Anonymousreply 162March 10, 2022 10:56 PM

R162 I’m assuming you mean the second part, which is called lanugo, scroll down to the malnutrition part. It’s interesting how sometimes the body fights to survive despite all attempts a person tries to kill itself.

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by Anonymousreply 163March 10, 2022 11:30 PM

She had pubic hair on her head. And she was ugly.

by Anonymousreply 164March 10, 2022 11:35 PM

Karen and a friend (Olivia?) with Agnes cunting in the background.

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by Anonymousreply 165March 12, 2022 3:19 AM

Did agnes object to Karen eating out Livvie’s snatch?

by Anonymousreply 166March 12, 2022 12:49 PM

Karen is a Republican’s version of Billie Holiday.

by Anonymousreply 167March 12, 2022 1:30 PM

[quote] Did agnes object to Karen eating out Livvie’s snatch?

Agnes forced Karen into a loveless, abusive marriage, so, yes.

by Anonymousreply 168March 20, 2022 4:15 AM

R168 So basically Karen went from out of the frying pan an into the fire.

by Anonymousreply 169March 20, 2022 6:09 AM

Was Olivia singing Physical with Karen in mind???

by Anonymousreply 170March 20, 2022 7:12 PM

No r170. She had a young, hot, dude named Matt Lattanzi on her mind while recording Physical. NOT an anorexic Carpenter.

by Anonymousreply 171March 20, 2022 7:59 PM

You'd be surprised, R171.

by Anonymousreply 172March 20, 2022 9:31 PM

Ah, I think Karen and Olivia were snatch eaters.

by Anonymousreply 173March 20, 2022 11:53 PM

Nah I don’t think so

by Anonymousreply 174March 21, 2022 2:51 AM

It's hard to imagine Karen grazing her canines through the kinky netherhairs of Olivia's golden clam.

Or imagine Olivia NJ delicately nibbling the peach-colored gumdrop nipple on Karen's emaciated left breast.

by Anonymousreply 175March 21, 2022 2:55 AM

Pussy had too many calories for Karen. She never ate it.

by Anonymousreply 176March 21, 2022 3:01 AM

Olivia masturbated with a hard brillo pad after Karen died. It felt like Karen was still there between her legs!

by Anonymousreply 177March 21, 2022 3:25 AM

Karen with her pubic hairstyle

by Anonymousreply 178March 21, 2022 3:26 AM

Ugly stick figure

by Anonymousreply 179March 21, 2022 3:26 AM

This is kind of cool being able to hear the purity of her voice in the isolated vocals.

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by Anonymousreply 181March 22, 2022 11:13 PM

R177 I think that was her brother Richard NOT Olivia Newton-John. She was full with Matt. She didn’t want an anorexic has been.

by Anonymousreply 182March 22, 2022 11:24 PM

ONJ is fighting lesbian rumors in the media to this day. Let it go, hon. So what if you like the pussy? Jesus.

Anyway, this Latanzi character pings to high heaven. Always has pinged. Reminds me of how Lee Majors used to ping (and still does).

by Anonymousreply 183March 23, 2022 1:09 AM

Is the lipstick lesbian a 85 year old gay man? Cuz nobody knows those people. I had to google. Lee Majors is over 90 years old.

Karen had a lovely (close to contralto) voice and near always perfect pitch. She gave a sense of meaning to songs by the nature or her tone and downbeat phrasing. Yet both the music and her singing lacked importance. Many people love the SOUND of her voice, but I doubt she understood the words.

by Anonymousreply 184March 23, 2022 2:24 AM

MartaLira is one of the "ancient white fags" troll's sockpuppet accounts. And as usual, his addled mind is spouting useless opinions. Fuck off, dear.

by Anonymousreply 185March 23, 2022 2:45 AM

I think this is a pretty and melancholy song.

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by Anonymousreply 186March 23, 2022 2:50 AM


The unintended consequence of all this is now my hormones are all messed up and I'm melting over the idea of Farrah Fawcett (who was an even more repressed pussy-lover than ONJ. Confused little Farrah... God bless her).

by Anonymousreply 187March 23, 2022 7:49 AM

If Olivia ate pussy why stoop way way way way down to Karen who was VERY SICK and let’s just say “not pretty or attractive” at all? Did Olivia like her voice and ate her because of that??? I think not!

by Anonymousreply 188March 23, 2022 3:10 PM

The heart / pussy wants what the heart / pussy wants, R188.

by Anonymousreply 189March 23, 2022 4:58 PM

I don’t know about Karen but all these comments about pussy eating have put ME off lunch!

by Anonymousreply 190March 23, 2022 6:25 PM

Karen had a nice voice. I do not care about her sex life. She was very sick. She wasn’t attractive in my opinion but to each their own. She deserves her fan base and place in music history and has merit

by Anonymousreply 191March 23, 2022 7:29 PM

R190, skipping a meal = true to form

by Anonymousreply 192March 23, 2022 9:08 PM


by Anonymousreply 193March 24, 2022 1:00 AM

Did ONJ eat the clitty litter?

by Anonymousreply 194March 24, 2022 4:46 AM

R185 was 32 years old when Carpenters realeased their first collegiate glee club record into this world. 52 years ago. God Bless him. RIP.

My parents say that OLD gay men are so mean because they grew up teased and then spent the rest of their life fucking dead guys.

I think it's true.

by Anonymousreply 195March 25, 2022 2:50 AM

^^batshit insane

by Anonymousreply 196March 25, 2022 2:52 AM

The truth hurts you R196? The song remembers when. You're a very sad old WHITE man on this site. You ARE mentally ill. But you're also DESPISED.

by Anonymousreply 197March 25, 2022 2:54 AM


We've got a real nutter here

by Anonymousreply 198March 25, 2022 2:59 AM

R197 I already had r196 blocked for some reason….. hmmmm…

by Anonymousreply 199March 25, 2022 5:42 AM

I was listening to Madonna’s “This Used To Be My Playground” this morning, and thought it would have been the perfect song for Karen.

by Anonymousreply 200March 26, 2022 1:41 PM

Madonna has spoken about her love for Karen Carpenter.

by Anonymousreply 201March 26, 2022 5:12 PM

I’m not doubting Madonna’s love for Karen, but does anyone have any links? I would just be interested in reading what she said.

by Anonymousreply 202March 27, 2022 1:56 AM

Pubic head Karen

by Anonymousreply 203March 27, 2022 2:00 AM

R200 , if you were going to have Karen do a Madonna song, it would be "Crazy For You", since it was written by John Bettis, who co-wrote many of the Carpenters songs (Goodbye To Love, Top Of The World, Only Yesterday) with Richard.

by Anonymousreply 204March 27, 2022 2:18 AM

Madonna, as selfish as she is - has often said that Karen Carpenter was one of her favorite singers. Probably not their music, but who knows? Madonna grew up trash and the Carpenters were all over radio when she was a kid.

Madonna has that warm golden tone center to her vocal production. Her best notes are in her lower register too. BUT, Madonna is a far more versatile singer and has more rythm, adventure, rock n roll and way more guts than Karen fucking Carpenter.

by Anonymousreply 205March 27, 2022 2:59 AM

Karen Carpenter couldn't sing Crazy For You. It's way too high for her voice and requires some vocal passion that she never showed.

Where Do We Go From Here, This Used To Be My Playground and most especially Live To Tell would be ideal for both her voice and vocal style.

by Anonymousreply 206March 27, 2022 3:03 AM

Stop fantasizing about a dead ugly

by Anonymousreply 207March 27, 2022 3:07 AM

This is the voice I fantasize about when I think of You Must Love Me. So beautiful.

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by Anonymousreply 209April 1, 2022 1:09 AM

They might erect a statue of them in Downey.

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by Anonymousreply 210April 2, 2022 3:19 PM

What if the food shortages are real? Karen never documented how she thrived on so few calories.

by Anonymousreply 211April 22, 2022 2:42 AM

I love the Carpenters and these final days Karen threads make me laugh out loud, especially the Agnes responses. Threads like this are the reason I love DL.

by Anonymousreply 212April 22, 2022 3:01 AM

R211 The Nazis did extensive research during WWII about restrictive diets and benefits, mainly life extension ironically, I’m sure you can hunt it up somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 213April 22, 2022 5:33 AM

Enough about Karen Where is Richards' thread? He was the genius of the family and was not gay!

by Anonymousreply 214April 30, 2022 5:13 AM

Ancient White Fags Troll and his sock puppets are all over this thread.

by Anonymousreply 215May 20, 2022 3:35 AM

^ R215 posts from many different accounts. A very sick OLD man. HE is the Ancient White RACIST F@G!!!

by Anonymousreply 216May 20, 2022 4:18 AM

I heard "All You Get From Love Is A Love Song" in Costco (don't judge) the other day, which I hadn't heard in a long time, and the tone and clarity of her voice was marvelous.

by Anonymousreply 217May 20, 2022 4:25 AM

Karen meets Zsa Zsa!

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by Anonymousreply 218July 3, 2022 7:18 PM


What the CUNT is Slimmers Disease!

I'm just POOPED!

Get fucked!

by Anonymousreply 219July 3, 2022 8:06 PM

Did Zsa Zsa slap Karen for being so thin?

by Anonymousreply 220July 3, 2022 9:46 PM

Karen farted a big one at Zsa Zsa.

by Anonymousreply 221July 5, 2022 9:00 AM

Karen called Zsa Zsa a fat whore!

by Anonymousreply 222July 5, 2022 4:20 PM

Karen was so fat when she died.

by Anonymousreply 223July 5, 2022 4:22 PM

Moment by Moment.

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by Anonymousreply 224July 17, 2022 2:24 AM

Jesus, she was super fat. What a whale.

by Anonymousreply 225July 17, 2022 2:25 AM

[Quote] Here is Karen at a healthier weight. I remember reading somewhere that she was very bothered by the size of her hips.

Petula Clark was also bothered by the size of Karen's hips, and when she said as much in a documentary, I burt out laughing. It was so unexpected.

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by Anonymousreply 227July 17, 2022 3:03 AM

It was this sleeve that started the descent.

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by Anonymousreply 228July 17, 2022 3:04 AM

Another final interview.

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by Anonymousreply 229August 8, 2022 12:24 AM

There were and still are dark rumors about Karen and Richard’s relationship.

At the very least, he had a psychological hold on Karen.

Also, this video is pretty dorky but Karen and Ben Vereen sounded great together.

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by Anonymousreply 230August 8, 2022 1:00 AM

Interesting analysis.

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by Anonymousreply 231August 9, 2022 10:09 PM

Livvie Newton-John is reunited with Karen in heaven.

by Anonymousreply 232August 9, 2022 10:54 PM

For my own gratification, I am photoshopping a cheeseburger in place of Karen Carpenter’s microphone.

by Anonymousreply 233August 9, 2022 11:11 PM

Karen and Olivia can now bump pussies for all eternity...

by Anonymousreply 234August 10, 2022 2:14 AM
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by Anonymousreply 235August 10, 2022 2:18 AM

Nothing personal to anorexics, but they always seem so desperate for attention.

by Anonymousreply 236August 10, 2022 2:22 AM

love her speaking voice......

by Anonymousreply 237August 10, 2022 2:39 AM

Karen looks fit and healthy in that R230 clip (January 1978).

1978/79 there was still a chance to save her.

by Anonymousreply 238August 12, 2022 1:58 AM

Here she is singing "The Old Fashioned Way" with John Davidson.

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by Anonymousreply 239August 28, 2022 5:12 AM

They performed at the White House during the Nixon era. He called them "“Young America at it's very best.” Yeah, right! A drug addict and an anorexic. Some "Young America!"

by Anonymousreply 240August 28, 2022 5:19 AM

R240... at the time I believe neither one was yet anorexic or addicted to quaaludes....

by Anonymousreply 241August 28, 2022 2:27 PM

[quote] at the time I believe neither one was yet anorexic or addicted to quaaludes....

So what? This "young America at its best" ironically turned out to be two majorly fucked up mental cases. Wrong again, Nixon!

by Anonymousreply 242August 28, 2022 10:54 PM

That John Davidson always struck me as a gay.

by Anonymousreply 243August 28, 2022 11:02 PM

Ugly skeleton

by Anonymousreply 244August 28, 2022 11:06 PM

I think Olivia knew all of the shit that went on between Karen and her family. She was pissed when Richard complained about Karen's stealing the Carpenters sound for her album. "You are the sound!" she told Karen. And if you see clips of the funeral service, she's practically the first one out the door, rushing to her car, visibly upset. There's no footage of her talking with Richard or anyone else, like Dionne or Herb Alpert.

But to Richard's credit, he did post a nice tribute to Olivia when she passed away.

by Anonymousreply 245August 28, 2022 11:09 PM

Nobody cares about how fucking weird ass Richard reacted to Olivia dying.

by Anonymousreply 246August 28, 2022 11:10 PM

Olivia is reunited with her dear Karen.

by Anonymousreply 247August 28, 2022 11:28 PM

The most touching tribute to Karen was from Petula Clark, who sang "For All We Know" in a concert a day or two after Karen's death. When that song won the Oscar, Clark had sung it at the ceremony.

by Anonymousreply 248August 29, 2022 1:37 AM

R248... agree, it was so heartfelt, sad moving and beautiful that I always ALWAYS tear up when I hear Petula sing it.. Frankly, I don't know how she got thru it, but I guess it's called being a pro....

by Anonymousreply 249August 29, 2022 12:24 PM

Thanks to whomever keeps bumping this months old thread. It's a nice break from all the political, Markle and/or disease threads.

by Anonymousreply 250August 30, 2022 2:15 AM

The 1978 ABC promo for R239.

A Carpenters special followed an Olivia special. Must see programming for any gays born in the 1970s.

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by Anonymousreply 251August 30, 2022 2:43 AM

Kareena Carpenter was not pretty like Olivia Neutron Bomb. And Olivia was a nice sweet funny person too. They shared a lot of reality avoidance in their lives. But Olivia was not actively self destructive.

Kareena was kind of bitchy and sarcastic - like ALL anorexics. It's a mental mind game that becomes a deadly illness if you don't care to understand it. She didn't care. Her revenge on family took her life and it caught her young.

Anorexics are more self destructive than alcoholics and drug abusers. Their high is only in winning at losing battles.

Karen had a nice voice. Beautiful low notes. But she's no contralto.

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by Anonymousreply 253September 12, 2022 2:55 PM

Loved Karen and her voice. So there!!!!

by Anonymousreply 254September 12, 2022 3:20 PM

Was the 80s duo Sparks inspired by Karen and Richard in their style and overall look?

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