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Coronavirus Megathread 13: Sunday Bloody Sunday

Um well, it's the weekend and you can figure out the rest.

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by Anonymousreply 385April 18, 2022 4:28 PM

Link to previous thread.

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by Anonymousreply 1February 12, 2022 1:09 AM

You say potato I say potato famine.

by Anonymousreply 2February 12, 2022 1:11 AM

Thank you as always, ElderLez!

Infection numbers plummeting in RI as fast as they shot up.

by Anonymousreply 3February 12, 2022 1:25 AM

We've had advance notice of all of the waves here on DL, so what's next, Cassandras?

by Anonymousreply 4February 12, 2022 10:42 AM

The Superbowl Weekend Special Edition of Covid coming out of Los Angeles

by Anonymousreply 5February 12, 2022 10:44 AM

Thanks to DL, I had N95s and hand sanitizer, dry and canned goods and pet supplies hoarded at this time in 2020. Thanks, pals!

There was actual evidence here, and science articles, I might add. These threads are contemporary social anthropology, and I appreciate the people who post good info.

by Anonymousreply 6February 12, 2022 12:41 PM

You weren't supposed to hoard N95's back then. They were for medical workers.

by Anonymousreply 7February 12, 2022 12:47 PM

hoard was the wrong word, I had a box.

by Anonymousreply 8February 12, 2022 1:02 PM

Okay then. You won't be reported.

by Anonymousreply 9February 12, 2022 1:05 PM

Hmmm.....what can go wrong?

Oscars 2022 Ceremony Won’t Require COVID-19 Vaccination:

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by Anonymousreply 10February 12, 2022 3:21 PM
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by Anonymousreply 11February 12, 2022 3:59 PM

Should've been on the previous thread.

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by Anonymousreply 12February 12, 2022 6:00 PM

Unvaccinated pregnant women with COVID and placenta damage aka why do the unvaxxed want to kill babies in the womb? Link below

R3 so happy for RI, MA and NY! Hospitalization numbers in New York now are back to fall Delta levels. I hope they keep going down and we have a beautiful spring. Deaths are finally declining US wide as well now.

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by Anonymousreply 13February 12, 2022 6:28 PM

R10, nothing, because they're requiring a negative Covid test.

by Anonymousreply 14February 12, 2022 8:24 PM

R13 I'm planning an NY trip for April; I hope I don't bring you bad luck. This is essentially the same little getaway I'd planned for March 2020.

by Anonymousreply 15February 12, 2022 8:28 PM

Yay Sylvia! We are planning to see a Funny Girl in April. May it be a great month for all of us. So far it looks like Infection with one Omicron sub variant protects against the other sub variants at least for a few months so that should keep infection levels down unless/until there’s a truly novel variant.

by Anonymousreply 16February 12, 2022 9:01 PM

Is there any chance that the sheer number of mutation on Omicron might make it less likely to mutate? At some point, it has to become unstable. And, since there were so many mutations with so much variety, a lot of possible mutations would have already been covered. There hasn't been any sign that another variant with even more mutations has been produced even during the height of Omicron infection. Maybe that's do to it reaching some limit of mutations able to be held by the viral genome before it becomes too unstable? I hope.

by Anonymousreply 17February 12, 2022 9:17 PM

There’s multiple omicron sub variants already R17 so unfortunately I don’t think that is the case.

by Anonymousreply 18February 12, 2022 9:19 PM

ElderLez and others:

Check out this Democracy Now video about Joe Rogan on Youtube. Note that many, if not the overwhelming majority of comments come from DN supporters/followers, many of them vaxxed, and how disappointed they are in the video.

I bring this up because it seems like anyone who disagrees with the standard 'we need to triple-vaccinate everyone' narrative is automatically branded a 'Trumptard' or an antivaxxer, etc.

It's just simply not the case, as you'll see if you scroll down through the many comments.

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by Anonymousreply 19February 12, 2022 9:21 PM

I'll be in NYC in April, too, on a job. Let's have a mini-meetup! : )

by Anonymousreply 20February 12, 2022 9:55 PM

Shall we? That’d be fun. (Assuming rates are low.)

by Anonymousreply 21February 12, 2022 10:07 PM

But, R18, none of them have been able to displace the Omicron with the most mutations and they all seem to have subsets of the same mutations which would lend itself to immunity from the original Omicron working against them. There haven't been any non-Omicron related variants since it arrived on the stage, even with the billion people it's probably infected at this point.

That being said, the idiotic move to drop the mask mandates a month ahead of when they should possibly be dropped when Spring arrives and Omicron is firmly estabished to be in full retreat, would lead to more opportunities for variants.

by Anonymousreply 22February 13, 2022 12:21 AM

R22 That doesn't surprise me. From the beginning we have gone into this with the mindset that we as a country are going to do the thing that will do the most damage. Nothing surprises me anymore

by Anonymousreply 23February 13, 2022 12:34 AM

I hope to see Ramin Karimloo puke on a funny girl when the newest variant strikes Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 24February 13, 2022 3:05 AM

Georgia Republicans Go Full Anti Vax Trying To Abolish ALL Childhood Vaccine Requirements

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by Anonymousreply 25February 13, 2022 6:12 PM

In Dr. Topol news:

[quote]A reductionist way I put it is “Three spikes and you’re out” from a recent Nature Medicine paper that showed, for any combination of 3 exposures to the virus’s spike protein, be it Prior Covid or vaccination, strong immunity is induced vs Omicron.

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by Anonymousreply 26February 13, 2022 7:37 PM

That's really interesting, ElserLez.

The trouble with SARS-CoV-2 is that it keeps evolving and the studies keep trying to play catch-up. Omicron 2 (BA-2) appears to evade immunity and past infection with the original Omicron (BA-1) doesn't prevent infection (though infection with BA-1 appears to protect against Delta).

We haven't made enough of an to collect and analyse data so that we can make solid conclusions about the risk of PASC (Long COVID) with [italic]any[/italic] of the COVID variants, but especially with regard to Delta, Omicron and the latest variants. That's what makes these increasing risks of reinfection so concerning. Dr. Topol admits in this article that on this point we are in a data-free zone.

And now we are seeing a recombinant Delta-Omicron variant cropping up in a few different places (in Europe), and this has arrived just as everybody is starting to wind back measures that prevent spread. Will this be another frightening game-changer or just a flash in the pan?

by Anonymousreply 27February 13, 2022 8:18 PM

R25, Kids have by far the strongest immune systems. There's no need to have them vaccinated. It was just another fear-based push for more $$$ for Pfizer.

by Anonymousreply 28February 14, 2022 5:13 AM

R28, they carry it and infect others, especially their grandparents, many of whom are their caretakers. Take your antivax shit elsewhere. Should we also stop giving the those pesky MMR vaccines? Let their strong immune systems take care of those diseases, too?

by Anonymousreply 29February 14, 2022 5:23 AM

But their Grandparents are VAXXED R29? Shouldn't that protect them? See how this works...or doesn't?

And MMR are completely different illnesses than covid, just like they're different from the flu, which this is turning into.

by Anonymousreply 30February 14, 2022 5:27 AM

But, R30, your "reasoning" was that they all had strong immune systems so they didn't need to be vaccinated. And, no, the grandparents being vaccinated doesn't solve the problem because it will always be a game of diminishing effectiveness of the vaccine in an elderly immune system that isn't as strong and the many conditions and drugs that can make the elderly grandparents immunocompromised to some extent. Both parties being vaccinated is the best of them and for society as a whole.

So, again, shove your antivax shit back up your ass. That's the place your head is currently filling.

by Anonymousreply 31February 14, 2022 5:34 AM

Sigh. I'm not antivax. I'm anti -- everyone needs a semi-barely-effective vaccine.

When we lose in 2022 and 2024, it will be due in LARGE part to the mandatory vaccination program that while necessary for those over 50 or 60, weren't necessary for younger, healthy people, and especially not for kids. Hundreds of thousands of Democrats have questioned this, and are digusted by the blatantly obvious clamp-down on FREEDOM OF SPEECH, etc. (Finally that's starting to change, with major news outlets reporting on the effectiveness of VITAMIN D cutting the risk of covid, just in the last week, but something that was known a year ago.)

Anyway, just look at the replies to this video by Democracy Now -- many of whom were lifelong fans and subscribers to their channel. A lot of disgust and dismay in the comments...from DEMOCRATS.

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by Anonymousreply 32February 14, 2022 6:00 AM

Oh dear, has that creature from the other threads found a new sockpuppet through which to insinuate her half-truths and inane reservations about the vaccines? Am I going to have to block this enervating hand-wringer, too?

by Anonymousreply 33February 14, 2022 1:14 PM

[quote][R28], they carry it and infect others, especially their grandparents, many of whom are their caretakers.

It's not the job of children to protect the adults in their lives. Adults should get vaccinated, boosted, etc, to their heart's content to protect themselves from COVID. There is no need to be shooting kids up with this vaccine.

[quote]Take your antivax shit elsewhere. Should we also stop giving the those pesky MMR vaccines?

Mumps, measles, and rubella have been proven to be far more dangerous to kids, on average, than COVID. So, this is a false comparison.

by Anonymousreply 34February 14, 2022 1:20 PM

r30, You are shouting into the void, here. Most physicians will even agree that double-vaxxing kids should be evaluated on a case by case basis. I've conceded that the DLers who flock to these threads aren't interested in actual science or reason, and are sadly trapped in a perpetual state of COVID panic.

by Anonymousreply 35February 14, 2022 1:23 PM

Eh accusing people of panic just because they don’t blindly swallow obvious misinformation like that “most physicians agree” nonsense is pretty lame.

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by Anonymousreply 36February 14, 2022 4:44 PM
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by Anonymousreply 37February 14, 2022 4:47 PM

Thanks R35. Totally agree. And what's so sad -- and telling -- is that many have blocked our posts because they don't want to hear they've been lied to.

by Anonymousreply 38February 14, 2022 7:27 PM

Elderlez, the irony of your statement at R37 is LAUGHABLE. And sad.

by Anonymousreply 39February 14, 2022 7:28 PM

Oh! Don't worry about it, it is just like the flu, they said. We can't be afraid!

I fucking knew it @r37.

by Anonymousreply 40February 14, 2022 9:46 PM

My fave film.

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by Anonymousreply 41February 15, 2022 3:00 AM

It is what it is, r38. I know for a fact that most physicians still evaluate pediatric patients on an individual basis and use the AAP recommendations (which are literal reiterations of the CDC recommendations) as a guideline tool, but don't dare suggest that.

It's completely false that a doctor with a 5 year old patient who has already been infected and recovered from COVID won't take that into consideration, along with the child's overall medical history, when deciding whether or not to recommend the 2 doses of Pfizer. Yeah, that's definitely not currently happening. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 42February 15, 2022 7:55 AM

Anti-Vaccine Leader REPENTS, "We Have Deaths on Our Consciences"

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by Anonymousreply 43February 15, 2022 4:46 PM

I hope we have a little warning for the next wave. Where does everyone think it will emerge, or has it already?

by Anonymousreply 44February 16, 2022 4:37 AM

R44, I don't think it will emerge until the protections provided by Omicron infection drop off because of the sheer number of people it infected. Hopefully, the Omicron specific vaccine will be ready in a couple of months to provide an additional barrier.

by Anonymousreply 45February 16, 2022 4:47 AM

[quote]I don't think it will emerge until the protections provided by Omicron infection drop off because of the sheer number of people it infected.

"Overall, immunity from Omicron infection is much lower than the immunity from Delta infection, correlated with the severity of infection. So unless you get a severe infection with all of its consequences you also don’t get immunity from having another infection. And recall even immunity from severe infection wanes rapidly in a few months.

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by Anonymousreply 46February 16, 2022 11:39 AM

[quote]Hopefully, the Omicron specific vaccine will be ready in a couple of months to provide an additional barrier.

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by Anonymousreply 47February 16, 2022 11:41 AM

ElderLez in your opinion, is there any reason NOT to get a second booster at this time? I have heart issues and my last booster was late Oct. do you think there will be a better option that I should hold off for? I need to travel in May so I’m-not sure if I should do it or wait? My dr is ambivalent.

by Anonymousreply 48February 16, 2022 12:38 PM

"The numbers carry a degree of ambiguity: Some heart attacks and hypertensive disease could have been associated with undiagnosed cases of coronavirus infections."

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by Anonymousreply 49February 16, 2022 1:01 PM

Are you over 60 R48? I think the Israelis agree the second booster is helpful for people over 60. So there’s something to go on there.

If you are under 60 I don’t know. I wish I did, but I’d be lying. I waited 8 months before getting my third shot, but I was lucky enough to know after 5+ months I still had really high antibody levels.

by Anonymousreply 50February 16, 2022 1:22 PM

R46, that's my point. Whenever immunity from infection wanes, that's when the next spike, either from Omicron itself or another variant, will happen. Sooner than a lot of people hope, especially since all the clowns want to jump on the 'drop the mask' clown train again so quickly.

by Anonymousreply 51February 16, 2022 1:31 PM

ElderLez r50 - I’m 52 and in otherwise good health besides my heart thing. Will hold off doing anything for 4 weeks, who knows what will happen by then! Thx!

by Anonymousreply 52February 16, 2022 1:50 PM

^(Why not ask your doctor's opinion?)

by Anonymousreply 53February 16, 2022 1:53 PM

R53, they already said their doctor was ambivalent.

by Anonymousreply 54February 16, 2022 2:16 PM

^So am I, although "ambivalent" is putting it pretty strongly. -R53

by Anonymousreply 55February 16, 2022 3:31 PM

[quote] Is there any reason NOT to get a second booster at this time? I have heart issues and my last booster was late Oct. do you think there will be a better option that I should hold off for? I need to travel in May so I’m-not sure if I should do it or wait? My dr is ambivalent.

I got my booster in late August because I have immuno issues stemming from previous chemo treatments. I initially made an appt for late January to get the 4th shot and then canceled it when I heard about the Omicron geared brew. But then I saw that they really weren't sure when it would be available, and likely not before another 4-5 months the earliest. I need to travel again soon and I thought it better to be boosted up considering it had been five and a half months since my first booster, so I got a 4th shot on Friday.

by Anonymousreply 56February 16, 2022 3:53 PM

Sounds very reasonable R56.

In underwhelming news BA.2 is still under 4% of cases in the US. I am wondering if people have thoughts about why it seems to have a slower growth in the US than it has in countries like Denmark and Sweden?

by Anonymousreply 57February 16, 2022 4:48 PM

I'm still going to wear mine for a while longer.

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by Anonymousreply 58February 16, 2022 5:27 PM

Smart, R58:

While health experts are welcoming the drop in COVID infections, they expressed dismay that mask mandates are being dropped around the state and country and urged the public to get vaccinated, boosted and continue to wear masks to prevent another COVID-19 surge that could once again leave Michigan’s health care system teetering on the edge of collapse.

“There’s a lot of criticism that it may be too soon [to drop mask mandates], and there’s probably some validity to that,” said Dr. Liam Sullivan, an infectious disease specialist at Spectrum Health in West Michigan. “With the past surges, we’ve done this as well. We seem to let our guard down too quickly, and the virus comes roaring back."

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by Anonymousreply 59February 16, 2022 6:19 PM

Why is the OP lined out?

by Anonymousreply 60February 16, 2022 6:32 PM

This is the Datalounge. We HATE all OPs.

by Anonymousreply 61February 16, 2022 6:41 PM

R57, I don't know but we're usually a couple months behind Europe in these surges. Plus, maybe our dumbass contingent is larger and we had a higher percentage of the population who had already been infected to go with our vaccinated numbers.

by Anonymousreply 62February 16, 2022 6:45 PM

I am trying to book a trip that I've put off and cannot put off any longer, and I have to return before the Fed Mask Mandate is dropped. I don't think I can get 4th shot yet, but I guess if I can manage to not get it on this trip, I'll believe it has let up a little.

Still not enough to take my mask off. I like being the eccentric in my very red town.

by Anonymousreply 63February 16, 2022 8:04 PM

Most of these comments have to be jokes, I hope. State after state after state is finally realizing this madness is coming to an end, and ending various mandates. Covid will and IS dying down just like the H1N1 did in 2009-2010...

But go on, wear your masks as you're walking down a street by yourself...or in your car by yourself...

by Anonymousreply 64February 18, 2022 6:12 AM

[quote]But go on, wear your masks as you're walking down a street by yourself...or in your car by yourself...

Why do these idiots always jump to these extremes? Oh, never mind. They'e got nothing else. It's at least a month too early in most states across the country. No one is telling anyone to walk down the street or sit by themselves in masks. They are talking about public gatherings or groups. We'll pay the price for the idiot contingent being in charge again because they, literally, are incapable of learning from their past mistakes.

by Anonymousreply 65February 18, 2022 7:00 AM

I wear a mask when I walk down the street, but it's usually because I'm in a high traffic area and I don't need some asshole sneezing as they pass me.

In the car is a little excessive, but I have been known to have my mask on in the car if I know it's a quick trip to the gas station and I'll be getting out of the car in a few minutes.

But I don't judge anyone who feels like they need the protection. I'd rather them overwear than not wear.

by Anonymousreply 66February 18, 2022 7:04 AM

[quote]But go on, wear your masks as you're walking down a street by yourself...or in your car by yourself...

My body, my choice.

by Anonymousreply 67February 18, 2022 7:22 AM

I've posted this before. When the pandemic first hit in 2020 I saw a interview with an Taiwanese virologist. ( can't remember his name) but he said there has never been a successful vaccine for a Corona virus like COVID. The virus mutates too quickly speeding thru large populations and by the time a vaccine is developed for one mutation another mutation of the virus will make it ineffective. Even though I'm vaxxed and boosted his words have always stuck with me.

by Anonymousreply 68February 18, 2022 8:06 AM

Ha R67! I’d forgotten all about halitosis the last two years. One of the very few silver linings of the pandemic has been not having to breathe so much stinky breath.

Wearing a mask for more than five hours is no fun for anyone, but I’ve always assumed that the people who freak out about masking at all have sensory issues like my nephew with autism. Maybe I should amend that assumption to include people with chronic bad breath? Wearing a mask certainly makes the smell of your own breath unavoidable.

by Anonymousreply 69February 18, 2022 10:01 AM

[quote]Covid will and IS dying down just like the H1N1 did in 2009-2010...

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by Anonymousreply 70February 18, 2022 10:53 AM

The mandate lifting is too early in the US, and when the next wave hits hard, we will have to hear "no one saw this coming!11!", as we have for the last 2 waves.

Denmark is showing us where this goes, and they have more vaxxed and far more boosted. They also don't have to pay $700. a month for basic health care access.

by Anonymousreply 71February 18, 2022 1:16 PM

This pandemic has proven that America is toddler level in stupidity and impulse control.

by Anonymousreply 72February 18, 2022 2:43 PM

^ Blood Hell eh!

by Anonymousreply 73February 18, 2022 4:58 PM

For any DataLounger who gets infected and thinks, oh I’m lower risk, I’ll leave the Paxlovid for someone else, don’t. The supply is increasing and it is going unused.

And this is where I start ranting that pharmacies ought to be able to administer antigen tests and provide Paxlovid on the spot if positive after ruling out drug-drug interactions.

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by Anonymousreply 74February 18, 2022 5:12 PM

[quote] And this is where I start ranting that pharmacies ought to be able to administer antigen tests and provide Paxlovid on the spot if positive after ruling out drug-drug interactions.

AMEN. Absurd that this isn't happening.

by Anonymousreply 75February 18, 2022 5:49 PM

[quote[after ruling out drug-drug interactions.

Therein lies the catch. When ED/ACC doctors are doling it out to onc patients on -nibs and throwing them into QT interval prolongation, I absolutely wouldn't trust a CVS Minute Clinic PA to prescribe it.

by Anonymousreply 76February 18, 2022 6:18 PM

damn. wrong thread.

by Anonymousreply 77February 18, 2022 7:00 PM

? R77?

by Anonymousreply 78February 18, 2022 7:24 PM

Just found out a 58 year old wife of a colleague has been in serious condition with COVID for 3 months. She was on a ventilator but is doing better and is in rehab. Of course she was not vaccinated. Then his 35 yr old son (alcoholic, depressive) just committed suicide father thinks moms long hospitalization was a factor.. Steve had to tell his wife the awful news and she responded "I need to go to heaven". This family was just on vacation in Colorado last fall. Amazing how quickly COVID can wreck your life.

by Anonymousreply 79February 18, 2022 11:04 PM

Terrible R79, bad choices just ripple out.

Interesting article in Nature from the good folks at the Institut Pasteur.

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by Anonymousreply 80February 19, 2022 2:59 PM

Estimate of additional US deaths if vaccines had not been approved.

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by Anonymousreply 81February 19, 2022 3:19 PM

"The reality is that vaccines are our best tool against COVID, especially with a recent booster, but are not currently a way for individuals to simply opt out of danger. Contrary to what the pundit and politician class wants to believe, pandemics are still a whole-society problem."

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by Anonymousreply 82February 19, 2022 10:14 PM

Concerning R81's link:

You are WELCOME, you fucking ignorant, piece of shit, anti-vaxxer ingrates and losers.

by Anonymousreply 83February 20, 2022 1:36 AM

R83's mad because he knows he's wrong.

by Anonymousreply 84February 20, 2022 1:37 AM

R84 = moron who can't read numbers. Go ahead, asshole, refute R81's linked information. I'm so glad that Covid now kills based on IQ.

by Anonymousreply 85February 20, 2022 1:46 AM

That's an ESTIMATE R85. Sheesh...

by Anonymousreply 86February 20, 2022 3:03 AM

Estimates based on data. As opposed to you anti-vaxx, anti-mask lunatics.

by Anonymousreply 87February 20, 2022 5:36 AM

Perfection is the enemy of good.

For some people perfection is "freedom" and a return to pre-covid life. For them masks, vaccines, border restrictions, vaccine passports, work from home, hand sanitiser etc are some deadly plot to restrict their freedoms and the return to perfection.

For some perfection is the elimination of Covid through quarantine, vaccines, strict mandates, PPP, constant sanitising, vaccine passports, lockdowns, closing schools and workplaces etc. Every magat and hippy who fails to comply is ruining the road to perfection in their mind.

I come from a state (NSW Australia) that did manage to eliminate COVID on and off for a couple of years (until Omicron and the Let "er Rip crowd kicked us in the arse). I definitely lean towards the second version of 'perfection', but I also realise you can't put your own life on hold forever.

I'm still careful and have stayed COVID free.

Good wishes to all my fellow Loungers and wishing you a healthy 2022

by Anonymousreply 88February 20, 2022 9:07 AM

You told on yourself with "You can't put your own life on hold forever."

by Anonymousreply 89February 20, 2022 9:33 AM

Just heard on the news (radio) that Queen Elizabeth has Covid. She's got mild cold-like symptoms.

by Anonymousreply 90February 20, 2022 11:19 AM

"Light duties"? Heck, let her rest and recover.

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by Anonymousreply 91February 20, 2022 11:26 AM

R88, the problem with your little scenario is that there are no people in your second listed group. All we want is these assholes to wear masks when in public areas with other people and to get their fucking vaccination. It would be nice if they also washed their hands on occasion but we can't expect fucking miracles, now can we?

by Anonymousreply 92February 20, 2022 1:51 PM

Vaccinations in historical context. The figures are pages 18-30 of the downloadable PDFs.

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by Anonymousreply 93February 20, 2022 1:58 PM

I suspect that covid will settle into a pattern of recurrent outbreaks similar to how smallpox was—except for the part about eliminating it through vaccination, the way people are now.

by Anonymousreply 94February 20, 2022 2:05 PM

"The planning is still in early stages, and authorization would depend on determinations as to whether the second booster should be authorized for all adults or particular age groups, and whether it should target the Omicron variant or be formulated differently, the report said.

It added that no decision was final and that it could be necessary to make booster shots available earlier if a new variant appears."

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by Anonymousreply 95February 20, 2022 4:55 PM

I think it'll be hard to convince people to get another booster when Covid restrictions & mandates are being discontinued everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 96February 20, 2022 7:31 PM

I can't care about them, I'm all in.

by Anonymousreply 97February 20, 2022 7:32 PM

Mask mandates being rolled back, fewer and fewer people getting vaccines and boosters, sense of complacency as omicron recedes—what could go wrong?

by Anonymousreply 98February 20, 2022 7:37 PM

Political Pressure, Not Science, Forcing Biden To Ease COVID Restrictions

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by Anonymousreply 99February 20, 2022 8:15 PM

Of course, it's ALL politics. Anyone believing otherwise is an idiot. All this is going to do is prolong the disaster. Biden should have sacked up right off the bat, put as many penalties on not being vaccinated as possible, and made a federal indoor mask mandate for at least a year.

by Anonymousreply 100February 20, 2022 8:20 PM

Biden did. The Supreme Court struck down the OSHA regulation. Circuit courts are currently blocking the contractor requirement. Only the CMS and military requirement have been upheld.

by Anonymousreply 101February 20, 2022 8:30 PM

I know, I'm just being cranky because I still haven't quite accepted the sad truth that people would rather prolong the misery rather than put on a mask and get a vaccination that isn't going to harm them.

by Anonymousreply 102February 20, 2022 8:57 PM

R98, stupid humans never learn and the vast majority of humans are stupid humans.

I always see the coverage of how the rich countries got vaccine while the poorest countries didn't get them as quickly. Honestly, what do the people who go on and on about that expect to have happened? Should the rich countries have told their larger populations to fuck off because they were going to go vaccinate Djibouti instead? Should we have just given everyone in the world one shot so they were all completely inadequately vaccinated?

To me, this situation is one that is not unlike putting your air mask on first in an airplane emergency before you try to help other people. If you pass out, there's not going to be anyone to take care of the rest. And, that's exactly what the plan has always been. Get it under control and then move on to helping the rest of the world who can't afford not only the vaccinations but also lack the infrastructure and government coordination to get the vaccinations done in an orderly manner.

by Anonymousreply 103February 21, 2022 12:09 AM

"The Duchess of Cornwall and I wish Her Majesty a speedy recovery."

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by Anonymousreply 104February 21, 2022 12:18 AM

From today's NY Times: Got a Covid Booster? You Probably Won’t Need Another for a Long Time

"As people across the world grapple with the prospect of living with the coronavirus for the foreseeable future, one question looms large: How soon before they need yet another shot?

Not for many months, and perhaps not for years, according to a flurry of new studies.

Three doses of a Covid vaccine — or even just two — are enough to protect most people from serious illness and death for a long time, the studies suggest."

“We’re starting to see now diminishing returns on the number of additional doses,” said John Wherry, director of the Institute for immunology at the University of Pennsylvania. Although people over 65 or at high risk of illness may benefit from a fourth vaccine dose, it may be unnecessary for most people, he added.

Federal health officials including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the Biden administration’s top Covid adviser, have also said that they are unlikely to recommend a fourth dose before the fall.

The Omicron variant can dodge antibodies — immune molecules that prevent the virus from infecting cells — produced after two doses of a Covid vaccine. But a third shot of the mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech or by Moderna prompts the body to make a much wider variety of antibodies, which would be difficult for any variant of the virus to evade, according to the most recent study, posted online on Tuesday.

The diverse repertoire of antibodies produced should be able to protect people from new variants, even those that differ significantly from the original version of the virus, the study suggests.

“If people are exposed to another variant like Omicron, they now got some extra ammunition to fight it,” said Dr. Julie McElrath, an infectious disease physician and immunologist at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.

What’s more, other parts of the immune system can remember and destroy the virus over many months if not years, according to at least four studies published in top-tier journals over the past month.

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by Anonymousreply 105February 21, 2022 6:25 PM

Specialized immune cells called T cells produced after immunization by four brands of Covid vaccine — Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax — are about 80 percent as powerful against Omicron as other variants, the research found. Given how different Omicron’s mutations are from previous variants, it’s very likely that T cells would mount a similarly robust attack on any future variant as well, researchers said.

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This matches what scientists have found for the SARS coronavirus, which killed nearly 800 people in a 2003 epidemic in Asia. In people exposed to that virus, T cells have lasted more than 17 years. Evidence so far indicates that the immune cells for the new coronavirus — sometimes called memory cells — may also decline very slowly, experts said.

“Memory responses can last for ages,” said Wendy Burgers, an immunologist at the University of Cape Town who led one of the studies, published in the journal Nature. “Potentially, the T-cell response is extremely long lived.”

Throughout the pandemic, a disproportionate amount of research attention has gone to antibodies, the body’s first line of defense against a virus. That’s partly because these molecules are relatively easy to study: They can be measured from a drop of blood.

Analyzing immune cells, by contrast, requires milliliters of blood, skill, specialized equipment — and a lot of time. “It’s orders of magnitude slower and more laborious,” Dr. Burgers said.

Few labs have the wherewithal to study these cells, and their findings lag weeks behind those on antibodies. Perhaps as a result, scientists have frequently overlooked the importance of other parts of the immune system, experts said.

“Most people don’t even know what they are — a lot of doctors and scientists are not completely clear what a T cell is,” said Dr. Dan Barouch, a virologist at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston who led one of the T-cell studies.

Researchers found that all four vaccines studied — Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax — produce T cells that retain much of their potency against the Omicron variant.

by Anonymousreply 106February 21, 2022 6:26 PM

I'm getting super tired of different information being thrown at us on a daily basis. You do need a booster. You don't need a booster. The vaccine wanes after four months. The vaccine lasts for months, maybe years. Masks don't work. Masks do work.

No wonder no one wants to follow protocols. There are none.

by Anonymousreply 107February 21, 2022 6:36 PM

Fuck this nonsense. I need to know more about:

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by Anonymousreply 108February 21, 2022 6:44 PM

Triple-vaxxed Neil Cavuto returned to Fox News airwaves today after a five-week absence due to a battle with Covid-induced pneumonia. It was the second bout with the virus for Cavuto, who has multiple sclerosis.

“Because I’ve had cancer and right now I have multiple sclerosis, I’m among the vulnerable three percent or so of the population that cannot sustain the full benefits of a vaccine.

“But let me be clear, doctors say had I not been vaccinated at all, I wouldn’t be here.”

Fox viewers will no doubt wish him ill will for his vaccine advocacy.

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by Anonymousreply 109February 21, 2022 6:45 PM

A fourth Covid-19 shot might be recommended this fall

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by Anonymousreply 110February 21, 2022 6:46 PM

[quote]I'm getting super tired of different information being thrown at us on a daily basis. You do need a booster. You don't need a booster. The vaccine wanes after four months. The vaccine lasts for months, maybe years. Masks don't work. Masks do work.

Grow up, you infant. This is how science works. You're probably used to living in world where opinion is fact but scientists are not. As the knowledge base grows, we know more. It's as simple as that. Go live in a bubble of ignorance if that will make you happier.

by Anonymousreply 111February 21, 2022 6:55 PM

So Covid is completely over in England? All restrictions being dropped? What do the hospitals look like?

by Anonymousreply 112February 21, 2022 7:10 PM

Antibodies are soldiers in the field. Memory T and B cells are generals with plans back at the barracks. And they can call up more soldiers as needed even after there are none in the field. Blood is mostly “field” so that’s what is easy to quantify.

The third shot (aka the booster) appears (at this time) to seal in and improve the memory T and B cells for immune competent people under 60 and means that the higher antibodies produced by additional shots (again for now) aren’t really clinically significant for protection against serious illness or death although they do probably provide increased protect against infection. (Hence the Israeli researchers fighting with the Israeli government about the meaning of the findings) Over 60/immune incompetent might need to keep getting regular boosters or maybe there’s a magic number for them too and it’s just higher.

That’s my lay person understanding of the research thus far.

Reality can be aggravating and I understand that it makes some people angry.

by Anonymousreply 113February 21, 2022 7:15 PM

[quote] Grow up, you infant. This is how science works. You're probably used to living in world where opinion is fact but scientists are not. As the knowledge base grows, we know more. It's as simple as that. Go live in a bubble of ignorance if that will make you happier.

You fucking shithead, I'm not talking about science, I'm talking about the media needing to trumpet every specious "study" both pro and con. No wonder people don't know what to do.

by Anonymousreply 114February 21, 2022 7:16 PM

And if the media weren't "trumpeting" every study, people would complain that they're being kept in the dark. There's no winning in the social media age.

by Anonymousreply 115February 21, 2022 8:03 PM

The way to win is to turn it all off R115.

by Anonymousreply 116February 21, 2022 8:10 PM

Did H1N1 last forever? No it gradually faded as herd immunity took over.

The same will and IS happening now.

I feel bad for the minority who fell for the scare tactics.

by Anonymousreply 117February 21, 2022 9:53 PM

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by Anonymousreply 118February 21, 2022 9:57 PM

More fool them, then.

by Anonymousreply 119February 21, 2022 10:10 PM

Sorry, more FOOLS them, then.

by Anonymousreply 120February 21, 2022 10:10 PM

Too bad the U.S. ranks #54 on the list of most boosted countries.

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by Anonymousreply 121February 22, 2022 12:23 AM

Omicron II: Electric Boogaloo

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by Anonymousreply 122February 22, 2022 11:17 AM

Hey Coronavirus, can we please have a new nasty virus strain for R117?

by Anonymousreply 123February 22, 2022 11:23 AM

I wonder if the troll does this with one hand on his (very small) crotch.

by Anonymousreply 124February 22, 2022 11:24 AM

[quote]Sorry, more FOOLS them, then.

Actually it should probably be "the more fools they."

by Anonymousreply 125February 22, 2022 11:30 AM

CNN: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Tuesday he believes “there will be no war” with Russia, but cautioned that Ukraine will be prepared should Russian military aggression against his country escalate further.

“With regards to being on a military footing, we understand there will be no war,” Zelensky said.

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he added.

by Anonymousreply 126February 22, 2022 11:34 AM

^^Apologies for posting this on the wrong thread!

by Anonymousreply 127February 22, 2022 5:44 PM

For all the hype omicron2 is still pretty much a dud in the US. It’s over 30% in Hawaii, but in no other state is it even over 20%. And the only other states where it us over 10% are Alaska, Rhode Island and Massachusetts.

by Anonymousreply 128February 22, 2022 11:11 PM

We have never cured the common cold, which is a coronavirus, nor the flu, even with flu shots. What makes us think that this is going to go away? Although I am not sure how SARS or the Avian flu disappeared.

by Anonymousreply 129February 22, 2022 11:32 PM

OG SARS had an R0 of less than one so it couldn’t successfully spread. Avian influenza requires direct contact with a bird to catch so unless you are a poultry farmer it isn’t much of a risk.

by Anonymousreply 130February 22, 2022 11:57 PM

The original SARS was super-infectious but only AFTER someone became symptomatic (unlike SARS-CoV-2).. Because it was so deadly, as soon as anyone showed symptoms they were put into complete isolation. Most of the patients died but the virus was prevented from spreading further and so the outbreak petered out.

by Anonymousreply 131February 23, 2022 12:07 AM

[quote]Although I am not sure how SARS or the Avian flu disappeared.

SARS 2003 had a case fatality rate of 11% and was less contagious. So, it killed its hosts more quickly giving it less time to spread. MERS had a case fatality rate of 34%. Again, killing its hosts more quickly before giving opportunity to spread to enough people. SARS-CoV-2 has a case fatality rate of about 1.91% but is much more contagious to humans. Its spread was also poorly controlled in its early stages which the Chinese communist government is largely to blame due to them censoring doctors, scientists, and journalists who tried to warn people that another SARS virus was emerging in Wuhan.

And yes, you need direct, and frequent, contact with infected birds, or their droppings, to catch Avian flu. Which, by the way, has a case fatality rate of about 60%.

by Anonymousreply 132February 23, 2022 12:27 AM

^*1.61% CFR for SARS-CoV-2

by Anonymousreply 133February 23, 2022 12:33 AM

There is an H5N1 (avian or "bird" flu) outbreak being monitored by the CDC since Jan. So far, only in birds and the risk to humans is deemed to be low.

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by Anonymousreply 134February 23, 2022 12:36 AM

"Two doses of a new Covid vaccine that is based on a conventional approach achieved 100 percent efficacy against severe disease and hospitalizations, and it could be an effective booster after other Covid shots."

Good news – this vaccine may appeal to those hesitant about mRNA technology and, if it doesn't require the ultracold storage of mRNA vaccines, will be easier to distribute in low-income countries.

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by Anonymousreply 135February 23, 2022 3:16 PM

New Study on Ivermectin

[quote] Ivermectin Not Effective in Stopping Severe COVID, Study Finds

[quote] Feb. 22, 2022 -- Ivermectin, the controversial anti-parasitic drug, does not help treat mild to moderate COVID-19, another new study has found.

[quote] "The study findings do not support the use of ivermectin for patients with COVID-19," researchers said in the study published last week in JAMA Internal Medicine.

[quote] The trial took place at 20 public hospitals and a COVID-19 quarantine center in Malaysia between May 31 and Oct. 25.

At least one more study of the drug could be released next month. The Ivermectin study is being done by the Duke Clinical Research Institute.

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by Anonymousreply 136February 23, 2022 3:37 PM

I'm shocked!

by Anonymousreply 137February 23, 2022 3:40 PM

Why are they entertaining the trappings of the crazed loons' minds by wasting time studying Ivermectin in multiple fucking studies?

by Anonymousreply 138February 23, 2022 3:40 PM

Pure gold!

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by Anonymousreply 139February 23, 2022 3:50 PM

But Ivermectin CAN get rid of your parasites! That rocks!

by Anonymousreply 140February 24, 2022 1:33 AM

Pfizer's antiviral treatment, Paxlovid, is now much easier to find in pharmacies in the US.

This is the treatment that may save people with breakthrough infections and unvaccinated people from hospitalization or bad outcomes. FDA: "Paxlovid treatment should be initiated as soon as possible after diagnosis of COVID-19 and within 5 days of symptom onset."

[quote] ‘Game-Changer’ Pfizer Pill Is Easier to Find as Omicron Fades Away

[quote] In regions where peak has passed, supply is meeting demand. Few patients hesitate: ‘They beg for it. They ask for it.’

[quote] As the omicron wave peaked in the U.S. last month, the first-line treatment for high-risk patients with early Covid dangled out of reach for most. Only a trickle of the new Paxlovid pill from Pfizer Inc. was reaching hospitals and pharmacies.

[quote] Now, as cases plummet nationwide and the company continues to deliver hundreds of thousands of doses ordered by the federal government to pharmacies, Paxlovid is starting to look downright plentiful. Doctors and health officials in New York, Boston, Colorado and other areas where the omicron wave has receded report that supply seems to be meeting the softening demand.

[quote] The supply suffices for now, though another major surge could overwhelm it, warned Scott Dryden-Peterson, medical director for Covid outpatient therapy at Mass General Brigham, a Massachusetts hospital system that serves 1.5 million patients.

[quote] “Our supply is fragile,” he said, and cannot be quickly increased because of a complex manufacturing process. Paxlovid can help many high-risk people, he said, but “if we let the epidemic get anywhere close to where it was a few weeks ago, they will not be protected. They will not have access anymore. So it is a fine line until enough supply comes out.”

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by Anonymousreply 141February 24, 2022 2:46 AM

I would guess someone with a lot of money is also a Q-lunatic, and paid for that shit.

Billonaires do some weird shit for their peccadilloes. Some go to space, one pays for UFO study/pays for essays about the afterlife, I guess one funded this.

by Anonymousreply 142February 24, 2022 9:29 AM

*Billionaires.

by Anonymousreply 143February 24, 2022 9:30 AM

Ivermectin does kill the virus at high doses in a Petri dish. It was reasonable to study it. That said once it was clear it wasn’t working at human safe doses in actual people, I don’t understand the inability to let it go. Most things that work in Petri dishes don’t work in people. It’s a sad fact of life, not a grand conspiracy.

by Anonymousreply 144February 24, 2022 9:57 AM

ElderLez, I've mentioned before that I live among the Ivermectin crowd. People who used to be conservative, but sensible. It is concerning local Public Health people (I am friendly with a couple who work there as nurses), because the same people are suddenly doing crazy DIY things/field medicine/snakeoils, instead of seeking health care. They've started making noises about fluoride, which used to be something that was the cause of the crunchy hippies in the cities. Horseshoe theory.

by Anonymousreply 145February 24, 2022 10:17 AM

Pardon, R145 again.

I used to like the 'live and let live' in rural America. It meant that I had to ignore what they were doing, too. It's much harder these days, because their choices and behavior encroach on actual public safety. Plus, they love their flags more than the people for whom the rainbow is not enuf.

by Anonymousreply 146February 24, 2022 10:20 AM

I wish the Pfizer pill would only be available if you have an (Establishment) medically supported reason to not be vaccinated, or a breakthrough case.

by Anonymousreply 147February 24, 2022 10:22 AM

^ Psychopath.

by Anonymousreply 148February 24, 2022 10:27 AM

Everyone who becomes infected with SARS-CoV-2 and doesn’t have a contraindication should take Paxlovid because doctors and nurses and social security disability.

The sad fact is that a lot of the Anti-vaxxers won’t take Paxlovid anyway because Pfizer and Fauci.

by Anonymousreply 149February 24, 2022 11:14 AM

The more of them who get sick and die, the better I like it, frankly.

by Anonymousreply 150February 24, 2022 1:16 PM

I got my fourth shot about a week and a half ago. Other than the sore arm (which I had after every shot, and which went away after a day or two), no side effects. Except in the past couple days I noticed my arm has become incredibly itchy in that exact area. I thought it was just dry skin, but the spot where I got the needle was very inflamed and felt hot. On the whole, it's nothing more than minor irritation, but I was surprised that this happened after the fourth go-round.

by Anonymousreply 151February 24, 2022 1:50 PM

R151, I always get itchy at the spot where the needle goes in, for flu shots and any shots (though it happens within a few days of the shot).

by Anonymousreply 152February 24, 2022 1:58 PM

I've had 3 bloody vaxs plus a flu shot. No reactions. Nada. Muricans are whining lil bitches.

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by Anonymousreply 153February 24, 2022 2:35 PM

Iceland makes explicit its intention to kill its unvaccinated and immunocompromised citizens.

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by Anonymousreply 154February 24, 2022 5:34 PM

ElderLez must work for Pfizer.

Ivermectin was used in Nigeria and other countries SUCESSFULLY when they didn't have access to vaccines.

"Meta-analysis of 15 trials found that ivermectin reduced risk of death compared with no ivermectin (average risk ratio 0.38, 95% confidence interval 0.19–0.73; n = 2438; I2 = 49%; moderate-certainty evidence). "

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by Anonymousreply 155February 24, 2022 11:49 PM

This didn't age well...

"Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Biden, said during a discussion on Sunday about the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) decision to drop mask recommendations for fully vaccinated individuals that vaccinated people become "dead ends" for COVID-19."

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by Anonymousreply 156February 24, 2022 11:52 PM

And another one...

Fauci: If 70% of Americans get vaccinated, U.S. can avoid a fall surge.

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by Anonymousreply 157February 24, 2022 11:53 PM

Citing a debunked study and pretending not to understand the nature of an evolving virus. The troll is back playing his greatest hits.

by Anonymousreply 158February 24, 2022 11:55 PM

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by Anonymousreply 159February 24, 2022 11:56 PM

R158, so you're admitting Fauci doesn't understand the nature of an evolving virus? I agree.

by Anonymousreply 160February 24, 2022 11:57 PM

That’s fascinating R155 I’ve never seen a peer reviewed article before that was paid for by GoFundMe. (I know ya’ll think I’m joking, but while I might be laughing it is actually true.)

You know what is especially interesting about that article though? The celebration of the use of Ivermectin in Peru. Clearly it has to have worked beautifully there to give them, wait for it the highest COVID death rate in the world. (Peru is an extraordinary country and this makes me very sad.)

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by Anonymousreply 161February 25, 2022 12:07 AM

Hey Elderlez, I appreciate your reply, even if I disagree w/parts of it.

Personally I'm fine with the fact they went out and raised money on their own to get the study printed, compared to Pfizer who has been proven to knowingly falsify data in past studies they paid for.

Yes, Peru happens to have the highest death rate, but Ivermectin isn't the reason. If you really cared about the country, you'd know that there were many reasons, mainly a lack of supplies, especially oxygen, and not enough hospitals for the country. See NPR link below.

Also, Peru has a vaccination rate one point HIGHER than the USA.

And on that note, back to Nigeria. Their vaccination rate is one of the lowest in the world -- only 8.1% of the population.

And yet their 'deaths per million', is only 15.63, clearly one of the best in the world.

Something to think about.

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by Anonymousreply 162February 25, 2022 7:33 AM

Hi R162 I got oxygen (altitude sickness, a very common occurrence) in Peru when I was there and most pharmacies had signs in the window that they had oxygen so I’d no idea that there was a shortage. If anything I would have thought they were one of the better stocked countries in that regard. But that’s a sad thing to know.

The writers of the article did not do a study. They did a meta-analysis of the published results of studies done by other people. (meta-analysis articles are fine, that’s a clarification, not a criticism) you quoted the only moderate certainty finding they had. There were no high certainty findings and the rest were low certainly. The authors included information that some of the studies they included in the analysis had methodological flaws.

by Anonymousreply 163February 25, 2022 10:04 AM

[quote]And on that note, back to Nigeria. Their vaccination rate is one of the lowest in the world -- only 8.1% of the population. And yet their 'deaths per million', is only 15.63, clearly one of the best in the world

As has been previously noted here on DL, Nigeria (and most of Africa) is really bad at tracking infections and deaths.

"In 14 countries a maximum of only one in 10 deaths are recorded, including in Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Cameroon."

[quote]Something to think about.

Indeed.

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by Anonymousreply 164February 25, 2022 11:30 AM

I went to Michigan's Ikea yesterday. They still have a sign recommending people wear masks. I'd say mask wearers were maybe 50% or maybe less, and I was one of them.

by Anonymousreply 165February 25, 2022 1:04 PM

You're lucky, R165, I'm on the west side of Michigan and virtually nobody wears masks here. I took my dad to a medical appointment this week and a guy was loudly complaining that he was being made to put on a mask to enter the offices.

by Anonymousreply 166February 25, 2022 2:13 PM

There's a sharp difference between urban/suburban and rural areas even in blue states.

by Anonymousreply 167February 25, 2022 2:15 PM

Indoor masks are gone today in Los Angeles.

by Anonymousreply 168February 25, 2022 3:29 PM

I hope this doesn't backfire like last time.

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by Anonymousreply 169February 25, 2022 3:45 PM
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by Anonymousreply 171February 26, 2022 10:17 PM

From the article at R171:

Professor Lawrence Young, a virologist at Warwick University, admitted the latest finding was interesting but claimed it was not significant enough to suggest lab manipulation.

He told MailOnline: 'We're talking about a very, very, very small piece made up of 19 nucleotides.

'So it doesn't mean very much to be frank, if you do these types of searches you can always find matches.

'Sometimes these things happen fortuitously, sometimes it's the result of convergent evolution (when organisms evolve independently to have similar traits to adapt to their environment).

'It's a quirky observation but I wouldn't call it a smoking gun because it's too small.

He added: 'It doesn't get us any further with the debate about whether Covid was engineered.'

Dr Simon Clarke, a microbiologist at Reading University, questioned whether the find was as rare as the study claims.

He told MailOnline: 'There can only be a certain number of [genetic combinations within] furin cleavage sites.

'They function like a lock and key in the cell, and the two only fit together in a limited number of combinations.

'So it's an interesting coincidence but this is surely entirely coincidental."

by Anonymousreply 172February 26, 2022 10:27 PM

Shush, R172, R171 was counting on no one actually reading anything. Now, move along. Nothing to see at R172. Nope.

Here's the NY Times article refuting R171 that was linked to the tweet above. So, read it. Always, read.

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by Anonymousreply 173February 26, 2022 10:30 PM

Moderna CEO squirms like a rat when asked why SARS-COV-2's genome contains a Moderna genetic sequence patented 3 years before pandemic.

Now! Now it’s possible that it “escaped” from a lab... lmao

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by Anonymousreply 174February 26, 2022 10:36 PM

The only way to come to a definitive answer on this is an actual direct investigation into the lab itself, not a study utilizing data of reported infections amongst the citizens of Wuhan, but an actual investigation into the practices of the lab that was, indeed, studying bat coronaviruses. And this can only be done with the full cooperation of the Chinese government. And they have already made it clear they have no intention of doing so.

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by Anonymousreply 175February 26, 2022 10:37 PM

R175, you didn't even read the NY Times article, did you? Did you see the diagrams of the actual market and the infection spread through it? Did you read about the evolutionary sequencing? Of course you didn't.

by Anonymousreply 176February 26, 2022 10:43 PM

[quote]Using spatial analyses we show that the earliest known COVID-19 cases diagnosed in December 2019 were geographically distributed near to, and centered on, this market.

First of all, this is a pre-print (so, not peer-reviewed). Second of all, this does not [bold]disprove[/bold] that the virus wasn't made in a lab, especially when you take into consideration that leaked documents (denied grant application) from DARPA showing that the Wuhan lab intended to engineer bat coronaviruses to be more infectious to humans and then intentionally release them into bat caves to study their risk to humans.

[quote]A copy of EcoHealth Alliance's proposal shared by DRASTIC Research said the proposed project aimed to "defuse the potential for spillover of novel bat-origin high-zoonotic risk SARS-related coronaviruses in Asia." The proposal's executive summary said researchers would "intensively sample bats" in field locations where scientists "identified high spillover risk" for coronaviruses.

[quote]EcoHealth Alliance wrote in the document shared by DRASTIC Research that it planned to work with researchers at the Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore, the University of North Carolina, the Palo Alto Research Center in California, U.S. Geological Survey's National Wildlife Health Center and the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China. It requested $14 million from DARPA to conduct its research, which was estimated to take three and a half years.

[quote]The proposal was dated March 2018, less than two years before SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, began spreading around the world. The virus is believed to have begun spreading among humans in Wuhan, where the first wave of infections was reported.

If they moved forward with the project anyway and released the enhanced viruses into these caves and the infected bats ended up at the Wuhan wet markets, that would still mean the virus was created in the damn lab. An investigation into the lab specifically is needed.

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by Anonymousreply 177February 26, 2022 10:46 PM

[quote]Did you read about the evolutionary sequencing?

Yes. But not from that paper. Something that paper neglects to mention is the peculiarity of the furin cleavage site found on the spike protein. It is this specific feature that guides the pathogenesis of the virus and its overall virulence to humans.

[quote]Unique codons encoding arginines in the furin cleavage site...The furin cleavage site consists of four amino acids PRRA, which are encoded by 12 inserted nucleotides in the S gene. A characteristic feature of this site is an arginine doublet.

[quote]This insertion could have occurred by random insertion mutation, recombination or by laboratory insertion. The researchers say the possibility of random insertion is too low to explain the origin of this motif.

[quote]Surprisingly, the CGGCGG codons encoding the two arginines of the doublet in SARS-CoV-2 are not found in any of the furin sites in other viral proteins expressed by a wide range of viruses.

[quote]Even within the SARS-CoV-2, where arginine is encoded by six codons, only a minority of arginine residues are encoded by the CGG codon. Again, only two of the 42 arginines in the SARS-CoV-2 spike are encoded by this codon – and these are in the PRRA motif.

[quote]For recombination to occur, there must be a donor, from another furin site and probably from another virus. In the absence of a known virus containing this arginine doublet encoded by the CGGCGG codons, the researchers discount the recombination theory as the mechanism underlying the emergence of PRRA in SARS-CoV-2.

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by Anonymousreply 178February 26, 2022 11:06 PM

But then there's this about the furin cleavage site:

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by Anonymousreply 179February 26, 2022 11:19 PM
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by Anonymousreply 180February 26, 2022 11:58 PM

r179 I think you misunderstood not just my point, but specifically the portion of that article that I quoted regarding the oddity within furin cleavage site of SARS-CoV-2. Once again...

[quote]Surprisingly, the CGGCGG codons encoding the two arginines of the doublet in SARS-CoV-2 [bold]are not found in any of the furin sites in other viral proteins expressed by a wide range of viruses.[/bold]

I was not making the claim that the furin cleavage site amino acid sequence (the double arginine motif P[bold]RR[/bold]A) was not common within the coronavirus family. That's not the issue. Yes, they are common. What is [bold]not[/bold] common are the [bold]specific codons[/bold] that "generate" the arginine in the furin cleavage site at S1/S2 of SARS-CoV-2.

There are 6 RNA codons that encode arginine in an amino acid sequence; CGU, CGC, CGA, CGG, AGA, AGG. The fact that the codons CGGCGG encoding the arginine present in the furin cleavage site of SARS-CoV-2 is not found in any furin sites of other viruses is the puzzler, here, because the likelihood of that occurring naturally is extremely low. Even Fauci redacted his initial statement from 2020 that it occurred naturally and stated that a lab origin is a possibility. And it's probably because of that specific feature.

by Anonymousreply 181February 27, 2022 1:01 AM

Also, r179, then there's this from that study you posted...

[quote]To directly test whether furin cleaves this site in vitro, we performed peptide cleavage assays using furin, along with trypsin as a control. The peptide sequences used were TFMTKARARTTF (Lucheng Rn rat CoV, LRNV), TFSRRARARTL (AcCoV-JC34), and TNSPRRARSVA(SARS-CoV-2). Trypsin cleaved all three peptides with varying efficiency. Furin, as expected from previous studies, cleaved the SARS-CoV-2 peptide; [bold]however, it did not cleave the LRNV or JC34 peptides (Figure 6). These data indicate that although AcCoV-JC34 has a minimal furin cleavage sequence (R-X-X-R) it is not able to be cleaved by furin when tested experimentally.[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 182February 27, 2022 1:05 AM

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by Anonymousreply 183February 27, 2022 1:06 AM

Ok. English:

Furin is a protease (protein enzyme) present in humans that breaks down proteins into the smaller parts that "build" them called polypeptides, which are a sequence of amino acids. The cleavage site (area of the spike protein that gets "split" during infection which aids in its replication) is built with a specific arginine amino acid sequence (RR) that is genetically coded to be "more attractive" to the furin produced by humans that will lead to cleavage and subsequent viral replication. The genetic code for this specific arginine doublet is CGGCGG. This CGGCGG is, apparently, not found in the arginine doublets in furin sites of other viruses which would probably explain why furin didn't cleave the peptide sequences from the study posted by r179 when tested in vitro.

In other words, there is a "message" on the spike protein that tells human furin to "open me" so that it can start infecting human cells. Due to this unique feature, SARS-CoV-2 is more infectious to humans.

by Anonymousreply 184February 27, 2022 1:26 AM

I suggest reviewing this article. I also suggest scrolling down to its references and locating reference [italic]8. Huang, C. (2016). Novel virus discovery in bat and the exploration of receptor of bat coronavirus HKU9 (PhD Thesis). Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.[/italic]

Try to click on the link and you will see that the entire link has been removed. CNKI.net is a Chinese website for publishing academic journals from research institutions in China. Thankfully, its most relevant excerpts have been downloaded and translated to English. I will post a link to that, as well.

This paper, originally in Chinese, details the discovery of a novel coronavirus from a bat sample that was collected by Wuhan Institute of Virology researchers in 2013 out of a cave in Yunnan. That sample is RaTG13 and it shares 96.2% sequence identity with SARS-CoV-2.

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by Anonymousreply 185February 27, 2022 2:07 AM

Partially translated Chinese paper from 2016...

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by Anonymousreply 186February 27, 2022 2:07 AM

....

by Anonymousreply 187February 27, 2022 2:16 AM

I just got around to reading the article at r171. All I will say is this. There is an interesting link between Moderna, MIT and Harvard University. One of Moderna's co-founders, Prof. Robert Sanger (Department of Chemical Engineering, MIT) sits on the International Advisory Board for The Department of Materials Science and Engineering at Tel Aviv University in Israel with Prof. Charles Lieber (Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, Harvard University, USA). The two also worked together back in 2012 on the following:

[quote]A new material developed at Harvard and MIT adds a distinctly cybernetic element to the science of tissue engineering. The 3-D mesh of transistors and cells, which can support tissue growth while monitoring its health and progress, could even be a step toward prosthetic devices that connect directly to the nervous system.

[quote]Tissue scaffolds have been used successfully for some time to coax cells to grow, and they can even be used to grow artificial blood vessels. Previous research has tried to incorporate electronic sensors into these scaffolds, but they have been limited to two-dimensional flat planes, with cells growing on top of transistors or electrodes.

[quote]This time, scientists led by MIT professor Robert Langer and Harvard chemistry professor Charles Lieber set out to build a 3-D scaffold that more closely resembles real tissue. The team wanted to build sensors that would let them monitor how the tissue responds to drugs in real time.

On September 26, 2019, Moderna also joined with Harvard for the following:

[quote]Harvard University establishes mRNA immunotherapy research collaboration with Moderna Collaboration seeks to explore fundamental immunological processes and identify potential therapeutic opportunities

[quote]Cambridge, Mass. - September 26, 2019 — Harvard University has established a multi-year research collaboration with the biotech company Moderna, Inc., with the goal of identifying and developing novel therapeutic approaches that could improve the lives of patients with immunological diseases. Additional funding from Moderna to Harvard Medical School (HMS) will establish an initiative at HMS called the Alliance for RNA Therapies for the Modulation of the Immune System (ARTiMIS), which will enable basic science research in the field of immunology using Moderna’s mRNA and nanoparticle delivery technology. The HMS Department of Immunology is hosting a symposium with Moderna to launch the ARTiMIS initiative today.

CONT'D

by Anonymousreply 188February 27, 2022 7:50 AM

In 2020, Prof. Charles Lieber was suspended from Harvard University and arrested when reports surfaced on his ties to the Chinese government. He was found guilty about lying about his ties to the Chinese government in December 2021:

[quote]Harvard professor found guilty of lying about Chinese government ties

[quote]Washington (CNN)A Harvard University professor was convicted by a federal jury on Tuesday of lying to the US about his involvement with China's government, the Justice Department announced.

[quote]Dr. Charles Lieber, 62, the former chair of Harvard's Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department, was found guilty of two counts of making false statements to federal authorities, two counts of making and subscribing a false income tax return, and two counts of failing to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts with the Internal Revenue Service.

[quote]Lieber's research group at Harvard had received over $15 million in funding from the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Defense, which requires disclosing foreign financial conflicts of interests. The jury found that Lieber had lied about his affiliation with the Wuhan University of Technology in China and a contract he had with a Chinese talent recruitment plan to attract high-level scientists to the country.

[quote]He was being paid $50,000 per month by the Chinese university and given $1.5 million to establish a nanoscience research lab at WUT, the Justice Department said in a news release. Lieberman was specifically affiliated with China's Thousand Talents Program, which the department called "one of the most prominent talent recruitment plans designed to attract, recruit and cultivate high-level scientific talent in furtherance of China's scientific development, economic prosperity and national security."

Finally, the research at the Harvard Office of Technology and development, which also collaborated with Moderna, also receives funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. That's not important, though. I'm just throwing that out there because it's basically obligatory to do so when discussing the lab leak theory at this point. -_-

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by Anonymousreply 189February 27, 2022 7:56 AM

*Prof. Robert Langer in r188

by Anonymousreply 190February 27, 2022 8:09 AM

Okay, why is everyone typing only elipses. Are we nearing the end of the covid megathread? Nothing more interesting to report?

by Anonymousreply 191February 27, 2022 8:22 AM

^Probably has me on ignore.

by Anonymousreply 192February 27, 2022 8:31 AM

It is the troll(s). We are in a lull, do not let this give you a false sense of security.

by Anonymousreply 193February 27, 2022 8:35 AM

I thought there were a lot of good observations and comparisons in this article from The Atlantic.

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by Anonymousreply 194February 27, 2022 8:38 AM

So, something very interesting about the study mentioned in the article at r171 is that the sequence in Moderna's patent is specifically for the MSH3 gene which is DNA repair protein; meaning, that it's a protein that is essential in repairing DNA damage. Mutations in this gene are a factor in cancerous tissue growth.

There was a Swedish study that was released a few months ago that found that the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 actually enters the nucleus and impairs DNA repair (in vitro). That is an extraordinary coincidence.

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by Anonymousreply 195February 27, 2022 10:19 AM

Dear Trolls. I think most of this was discussed on thread three in February 2020, including the structure of the particular type of trollery you are engaged in. Please refer back to the January through April 2020 COVID threads and then post. AKA “do your research” as you people like to say.

To give an example of the scintillating stupidity you are all missing troll du jour is shocked, Shocked, SHOCKED, that a University tech transfer offices, which is required by law to license university inventions to American businesses, preferably small ones (Bayh-Dole is the name of the law) licensed an invention to an American small business. Oh and Bill Gates something.

by Anonymousreply 196February 27, 2022 10:32 AM

Hello ElderLez,

1) I wasn't around this site in February 2020. 2) Do be so kind as to summarize what was discussed sans the condescending and passive aggressive attitude, and please don't neglect to include an explanation as to why this is the only science that, apparently, by some miracle, [bold]hasn't[/bold] changed for the novel virus we're still supposedly learning more about every day for the past 2 years, ergo why it's obviously "trolling" to question and analyze its data.

by Anonymousreply 197February 27, 2022 11:00 AM

A more up to date analysis and different study on the issue regarding the spike protein going into the nucleus:

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by Anonymousreply 198February 27, 2022 11:10 AM

[quote]the spike protein going into the nucleus

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 199February 27, 2022 11:32 AM

Anyone not believing the rona is lab made at this point is beyond saving.

by Anonymousreply 200February 27, 2022 11:36 AM

Summary;

Scientists learn new things every day. Annoying trolls stay annoying trolls and have a recognizable repertoire of rhetorical tricks. Charlie Lieber remains a jerk with no relationship to the topics in this particular thread. Anyone who complains about people being passive aggressive on a website devoted to pointless bitchery has missed the point. Link to thread one.

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by Anonymousreply 201February 27, 2022 12:24 PM

[quote]Scientists learn new things every day.

Lady, the study at r185 (along was numerous others) was published in November of 2020, after it was repeatedly postulated, by multiple scientists, that the virus likely leaked from a lab earlier in the year. Merely mentioning such on social media was a bannable offense, relegated to the "Baseless Conspiracy Theories" file in the bullshit cabinet, and mocked accordingly.

FOH. -_-

by Anonymousreply 202February 27, 2022 12:39 PM

Oh, and Pfizer new that the antibodies from their shit started declining 5 weeks after the second dose during their clinical trials per that Australia TGA document reviewed in the video at r198 and the Australian government green-lighted it, anyway.

Absolutely scientists learn new shit everyday. They just decide whether or not to be transparent. But at least now you know for certain that you're going to be getting perpetually boosted, funding new yachts and private island properties one deltoid assault at a time.

by Anonymousreply 203February 27, 2022 12:45 PM

r174 "Our scientists are trying to see if it's real or not." Stephane Bancel

What dude was really thinking when she brought that up...

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by Anonymousreply 204February 27, 2022 1:18 PM

Elder Lez should be elevated to the Patron Saint of Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 205February 27, 2022 5:04 PM

She might question the gender of the title r205, but the elevation cannot be disputed.

by Anonymousreply 206February 27, 2022 5:10 PM

As a Lutheran I believe in the priesthood of all DataLounge posters.

by Anonymousreply 207February 27, 2022 7:16 PM

[quote]ElderLez (Both saint and sinner)

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 208February 27, 2022 7:19 PM

R203, your troll skin is showing through with your old bullshit antibodies crap. All antibodies to everything decline after a couple of weeks. It is the B and T cells that matter. But, you knew that. (Or at least you should.)

by Anonymousreply 209February 27, 2022 8:53 PM

Hopefully there’ll be an inexpensive intranasal vaccine eventually.

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by Anonymousreply 210February 27, 2022 9:21 PM

Hi - sorry, I'm the four-periods (not ellipsis) guy. Some troll I blocked kept posting and I kept seeing there was a new post on the thread. So I posted to turn off the new post thingee.

by Anonymousreply 211February 27, 2022 11:09 PM

Very reasonable R211

by Anonymousreply 212February 27, 2022 11:41 PM

You should at least post *something*, r211, even if it's just a recipe, haiku or a steamy portion from a Harold Robbins novel.

by Anonymousreply 213February 28, 2022 1:35 AM

Lol R213. I'll try.

by Anonymousreply 214February 28, 2022 2:19 AM

[quote] Hi - sorry, I'm the four-periods (not ellipsis) guy. Some troll I blocked kept posting and I kept seeing there was a new post on the thread. So I posted to turn off the new post thingee.

Oh wow, I had no idea that was a way to erase the new messages notifications. I have a few of the anti-vax assholes on here blocked. I promise I won't do ellipses, though. Harold Robbins it is!

by Anonymousreply 215February 28, 2022 2:42 AM

^Or, preferably, one of Harold Robbins' steamy, recipe-haikus.

by Anonymousreply 216February 28, 2022 12:56 PM

[quote][R203], your troll skin is showing through with your old [bold]bullshit antibodies crap.[/bold] All antibodies to everything decline after a couple of weeks. [bold]It is the B and T cells that matter.[/bold] But, you knew that. (Or at least you should.)

This right here is how I know a lot of you are full of it. That "bullshit antibodies crap" is all that's been focused on as of late to push the boosters. And I have BEEN saying that antibodies declining is irrelevant because yes, the true strength of the immune system rests within the adaptive immune system; specifically with memory T-cells. Because without the T-cells, even memory B cells are useless, because they get the signal to release specific antibodies from T-cells (CD4). So, yes, I've repeated this ad nauseum in these threads and...was dismissed in favor of the "declining antibodies" narrative.

Now, all of a sudden, I show you that Pfizer knew that antibodies declined significantly after the 2nd dose, and "antibodies declining is normal." You're damn right it's normal. Which is why the vaccine manufacturers pushing the boosters with that as their reasoning makes no damn sense. But, because [bold]I[/bold] brought up antibodies, you wanna "flip it up" and start agreeing with me about cellular immunity.

You're full of it. All of you.

by Anonymousreply 217February 28, 2022 6:51 PM

[quote]You're full of it. All of you.

Yes. Yes we are. You should punish us by going away and REFUSING TO ENGAGE WITH US.

by Anonymousreply 218February 28, 2022 8:00 PM

Or, [bold]you[/bold] could shut the hell up, avoid the thread, and leave the adults to discuss this matter; all two of us.

by Anonymousreply 219February 28, 2022 8:06 PM

Haiku for a blocked user:

Blocked Anti-vaxxer Bumps up the number of posts Die in a grease fire

by Anonymousreply 220February 28, 2022 8:12 PM

Pro-tip: You can turn off the new post notifications, even they're from ignored posters, by just hitting the down arrow at the bottom.

Oh, right, you can't see this.

Someone quote this for the individual who can't handle opposing views and chooses, instead, to build customized, safe-space, echo chambers. Unless, of course, you want them to continue to suffer the frustration from a flaw in the design of this site.

by Anonymousreply 221February 28, 2022 8:20 PM

Haiku for return of blocked user:

Blocked Anti-vaxxer

Bumps up the number of posts

Die in a grease fire

I'm working on my Harold Robbins.

by Anonymousreply 222February 28, 2022 8:24 PM

Imagine blocking someone and then getting mad when your personal thread-viewing experience is screwed up because you can't see their posts.

by Anonymousreply 223February 28, 2022 8:31 PM

In winter choosing

To block or unblock troll is

Your thread list your choice

by Anonymousreply 224February 28, 2022 9:12 PM

Oh dear, what have I started?

by Anonymousreply 225February 28, 2022 9:16 PM

Sorry Doris! I don’t have anyone blocked at the moment (but I support personal blocking choice). I just couldn’t resist the invitation to post a haiku.

In nifty mask fashion updates, I just saw Curtis Sliwa in a mask that matched his beret and jacket on the train to Huntington.

by Anonymousreply 226February 28, 2022 9:24 PM

It's fine ElderLez. I just don't want anyone to feel obligated to constrict themselves to haiku form or feel they have to dig out a Harold Robbins novel. Doesn't using the up arrow on the bottom left take care of the new post problem?

by Anonymousreply 227February 28, 2022 9:57 PM

A little bird told me it might Doris! The troll blockers should try it.

by Anonymousreply 228February 28, 2022 10:09 PM

I am surprised we are still doing these threads on covid.

by Anonymousreply 229February 28, 2022 10:14 PM

Why, r229? It isn't gone.

by Anonymousreply 230February 28, 2022 10:34 PM

Agreed R217.

And also agree w/R221. People who block anyone who disagrees with them must be terrified that what they've been told might not be correct. That maybe, just maybe they were thrown a load of bull and they bought it. They're also exactly like the Republicans they bitch about (and should) who refuse to talk to the Dems and get anything done.

I still remember this old chestnut from the Great Tony F.

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by Anonymousreply 231March 2, 2022 6:27 AM

R217, there weren't reports on T and B cell level immunity until recently because they are much more complicated to study. That's why everything focused on antibodies, especially really early on. We're only a year into high scale vaccinations taking place. The fact that immunity seemed to stay in place even after the antibodies dropped was clearly reported and discussed everywhere. The speculation being, of course, that it was T and B cell immune responses providing that protection. However, there were no long term studies yet on those B and T cells. Now there are.

Also, the booster is what is providing the increase in T and B cell effectiveness. Six months to a year after initial vaccination is more along the usual timetable for immunizations. The first two doses were basically one big dose split in two to try to get as big an initial antibody based immune response as quickly as possible. The three to four weeks between them wasn't long enough to kick in the long term immune system's full response. The booster is necessary and effective.

So, in other words, your entire little whiny rant is moot.

by Anonymousreply 232March 2, 2022 7:13 AM

R231, you quite literally seem to understand nothing. It's hilarious. Please write more.

by Anonymousreply 233March 2, 2022 7:15 AM

I was very happy to hear in the SOTU last night that pharmacies will be allowed to provide rapid COVID tests and then dispense Paxlovid upon a positive response.

by Anonymousreply 234March 2, 2022 9:54 AM

USA: Masks off! Everything's A-ok!!

Also USA: We're so worried about COVID we PCR tested all SOTU attendees so we could make a big show of them sitting there unmasked.

(And whoops! Look what we found!)

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by Anonymousreply 235March 2, 2022 11:53 AM

ElderLez, I do believe Biden was reading DataLounge and heard your plea!

by Anonymousreply 236March 2, 2022 12:52 PM

Does Biden present hole?

by Anonymousreply 237March 2, 2022 1:05 PM

DLers take heed

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by Anonymousreply 238March 2, 2022 4:46 PM

Oh Sylvia, I suspect most Dataloungers have learned to just accept their erectile dysfunction at this point.

by Anonymousreply 239March 2, 2022 4:52 PM

I am sure a million people all had that same thought independently around the same time.

But I can fantasize that Kei Koizumi reads the DataLounge and he took it back to Alondra Nelson or Francis Collins who took it to Biden. (I’ve met KK IRL, and I highly doubt he even knows of DL’s existence let alone reads it, so trolls that’s a dead end.)

by Anonymousreply 240March 2, 2022 4:53 PM

BA.2 is up over 8% cases in the US as of the end of February. It should the majority of cases by March the 18thish.

by Anonymousreply 241March 2, 2022 5:38 PM

I remember reading that once it reached 7-8%, it would be in exponential expansion. So, great time to drop all the mask mandates. This country is so fucking stupid. Like it's filled with toddlers, tantrums and all. We literally needed to wait one more month until the community spread numbers actually dropped enough to warrant dropping the masks. Illinois was up 1% today. It's the first uptick in a while. We'll see what happens from here.

by Anonymousreply 242March 2, 2022 5:47 PM

I’m still wearing my mask in-doors in public. But I think Paxlovid makes COVID much more normal risk. I also suspect the booster provides longer lasting protection. So I’m not as opposed to the dropping of mask mandates as many other people might (reasonably) be at this time.

by Anonymousreply 243March 2, 2022 5:57 PM

[quote][R217], there weren't reports on T and B cell level immunity until recently because they are much more complicated to study. That's why everything focused on antibodies, especially really early on.

Except, the robust protection of the adaptive immune system has been an established science in immunology for over half a century, now. Also, there were already studies in 2020 showing that SARS-CoV-2 stimulated an immune response from antibodies for other coronavirus strains such as the common cold via cross-reactivity. There were also studies on T-cell responses to reinfection in convalescent patients for SARS-CoV-2 that same year.

They had mounds of data from recovered patients to utilize and study to measure T-cell responses, and adaptive immunity overall, compared to vaccination alone. They, instead, chose to ignore the gem of and wealth of data they had in that specific cohort (recovered patients) choosing instead to imply that the antibodies gained from prior infection were somehow inferior to those acquired from vaccination alone (which turned out to, unsurprisingly, be incorrect).

The focus on antibodies alone never made sense when you take all of that into consideration. So your "no reports on T and B cell immunity" point is not only moot, but wholly inaccurate.

by Anonymousreply 244March 2, 2022 6:56 PM

Exhibit A:

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by Anonymousreply 245March 2, 2022 6:56 PM

"nO rePoRTs oN T aNd B cELL imMUniTY"

September 2020...

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by Anonymousreply 246March 2, 2022 6:58 PM

"there were no long term studies on those B and T cells..."

June 2021...

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by Anonymousreply 247March 2, 2022 7:08 PM

The Paxlovid/rapid testing at pharmacies is exciting, if you don't live in a town where the wait for a prescription can be hours.

I thank the poster mentioning IL. I have to travel there in 2 weeks, returning after they lift mask mandates on planes. I am boosted, but I am not as relaxed as ElderLez. I've put off this trip for 2 years, and pretty much have to go no matter what. I am not thrilled about O'Hare on a good day.

by Anonymousreply 248March 2, 2022 8:49 PM

You can keep having your little tantrum, R247, but your original supposition was that the pharmaceutical companies were playing fast and loose with antibody information to push boosters onto people. The studies on the effectiveness of vaccines with boosters on B and T cell response are just coming out now. We know that protection faded after only two doses and after infection. That is a fact shown by reinfections, increased breakthrough infections, etc., especially in the face of Omicron. That's also why vaccinated people who have caught Omicron have some of the best immune protection. Their infection was like a wide-ranging booster.

The booster is what is facilitating the long term immune system response that you are pretending you discovered solely on your own and that no one except you has been talking about for years now. You are ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 249March 2, 2022 9:21 PM

What r249 said.

by Anonymousreply 250March 2, 2022 10:01 PM

R249, "We know that protection faded after only two doses and after infection."

Again, apparently no one told Fauci that. But yeah R233, I'm the hilarious one.

"So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they're going to transmit it," Fauci said.

Fauci added that vaccinated people essentially become "dead ends" for the virus to spread within their communities."

by Anonymousreply 251March 2, 2022 10:16 PM

[quote]We know that protection faded after only two doses and after infection.

See the article posted at r231. That is the messaging that was initially put out to the public in May of 2021 even though the data from the clinical trials, the pharmaceutical companies submitted themselves, showed that antibodies declined. And that was for the ancestral strain.

The vaccinated were advised by the CDC to go maskless and given the green light to travel internationally knowing that Delta was already tearing through the population in India and the UK and the vaccines were only built upon the ancestral strain along with its data.

By all means, continue to act like they've been saying you would need a booster since day one and that the messaging from public health officials and agencies has been consistent and within reason.

by Anonymousreply 252March 2, 2022 10:16 PM

Jim Jordan Has An Unhealthy Obsession With Dr. Fauci

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by Anonymousreply 253March 2, 2022 10:27 PM

[quote]But yeah [R233], I'm the hilarious one.

Actually, you seem pretty sad and pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 254March 2, 2022 10:27 PM

Lately I've noticed people are responding a lot to posters I have blocked. It's happening on some other threads I like, too. It's humorous and tedious at the same time when reasonable and sensible posters keep engaging with the crazy posters. 🤪 Reminds me of people who talk to invisible voices. 🤔 I keep scrolling back to see which post you're responding to, and NO post....

by Anonymousreply 255March 2, 2022 11:09 PM

[quote]The Paxlovid/rapid testing at pharmacies is exciting, if you don't live in a town where the wait for a prescription can be hours.

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by Anonymousreply 256March 2, 2022 11:13 PM

Oh R254, you got me, I'm wounded. I don't think I'll be able to face the world after your damning assessment.

by Anonymousreply 257March 2, 2022 11:57 PM

The tweet at R256 doesn't make any sense. The reason so few have been distributed is because you needed to first go see your doctor and then get the prescription and then go get the pills at the pharmacy whenever they got around to filling it, all while you are sick with Covid and within the window that its effective. I bet most people couldn't even get an appointment with their doctor in the effectiveness window.

The pharmacy directive will get around the making an appointment to see your doctor and getting a prescription part. Everyone is already going to pharmacies to get tested, so now they'll also just hand you your free pill pack when you test positive on the spot.

Our fucking health care system is ridiculously complex and expensive.

by Anonymousreply 258March 3, 2022 12:53 AM

Topol is saying that a total of 500,000 pill packs have been available throughout the U.S. thus far, R258, not how many have been prescribed. At least, that’s how I interpret his tweet.

by Anonymousreply 259March 3, 2022 1:11 AM

Oh, deer!

Yes, DEER.

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by Anonymousreply 260March 3, 2022 6:26 AM

When Paxlovid was first approved it was with the caveat that supplies would be very limited until April. It’s March now so the supplies are coming next month. In the meantime, even the limited supplies available are going unused because of the timing issue.

I agree the logistics of doing the drug screen in a crowded pharmacy are complicated. Here’s a thought, for people with primary care providers with lists of medications in electronic health records, run a script to find the interactions and create a document for the pharmacies so people aren’t starting from scratch.

Another thought, waive the medical providers can’t sell medications rule so it can be distributed in urgent care clinics.

by Anonymousreply 261March 3, 2022 10:02 AM

ElderLez, thank you for, once again, calming this (rural) Covid MARY! down. You're like Flo Nightingale without the syphilis rumors.

by Anonymousreply 262March 3, 2022 10:17 AM

Democratic Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia got covid-19 in the spring of 2020, and nearly two years later he still has mild symptoms.

“I tell people it feels like all my nerves have had like five cups of coffee,” Kaine said Wednesday of his “24/7” tingling sensation, just after introducing legislation intended to expand understanding of long covid.

Long covid has baffled scientists, and the true scope of how many people it has affected is unknown. High estimates suggest over one-third or even roughly half of the 80 million Americans who have had the virus developed long-term symptoms, and low estimates put that figure in the single-digit percentage range.

Either way, that’s potentially hundreds of thousands or tens of millions of people with mysterious lingering symptoms. They can include neurological effects, brain fog, heart problems, respiratory problems — they run the gamut.

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by Anonymousreply 263March 3, 2022 12:44 PM

[quote]Illinois was up 1% today. It's the first uptick in a while. We'll see what happens from here.

Today: The seven-day statewide test positivity rate is 1.7%, the lowest figure reported since July 9, 2021.

by Anonymousreply 264March 3, 2022 9:26 PM

Florence Nightingale was rumored to have had syphilis R262??? I did not know that.

We are allowed to eat together at work for the first time since the March 2020. It’s an exciting milestone.

by Anonymousreply 265March 3, 2022 9:38 PM

That was debunked, r265.

by Anonymousreply 266March 3, 2022 9:55 PM

[quote]Florence Nightingale was rumored to have had syphilis [R262]??? I did not know that.

You're thinking of Florence Foster Jenkins.

by Anonymousreply 267March 3, 2022 10:46 PM

Florence Nightingale was a victim of propaganda against strong ladies, like Catherine the Great. Flo didn't lead her nurses in to screw the soldiers, and Catherine didn't have relations with a horse. Lots of men, but no equines. My point was nothing but praise for our local angel of the occasional mercy.

by Anonymousreply 268March 3, 2022 11:21 PM

R264, I actually calculate the daily percentage. I know the seven day shows the larger trends better but by following the day-to-day, you can see the upticks or downturns coming. Today's single day positivity was back down to .08%, so it's going in the right direction still.

That being said, it's only been three days since the mask mandate ended. It will take two to three weeks to see what's going to happen. The fact that the vaccine isn't very effective in kids between 5-11 and we've also dropped the school mask mandate makes it more likely there's going to be at least a bit of a surge. I hope it stays down but we won't know what's going to happen until the middle of March.

by Anonymousreply 269March 4, 2022 4:19 AM

[quote]When Paxlovid was first approved it was with the caveat that supplies would be very limited until April. It’s March now so the supplies are coming next month.

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by Anonymousreply 270March 4, 2022 10:39 PM

I meant .8% at R269. Stupid DL lockdowns. Illinois' positivity was .9% today. I really hope if stays there or just disappears to nothing. Thanks to the vaxxed...and to the idiot unvaxxed who gave so many of their lives to get us here.

by Anonymousreply 271March 4, 2022 11:18 PM

Blood clotting and the long-term effects of Covid-19, even for those who seem to have completely recovered from it.

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by Anonymousreply 272March 5, 2022 2:00 PM

R269 walks down the street all by himself/herself, wearing a mask.

by Anonymousreply 273March 6, 2022 3:59 PM

The UK bio bank is huge.

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by Anonymousreply 274March 9, 2022 11:19 AM

Spring Break in 5...4..3..2..

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by Anonymousreply 275March 9, 2022 1:47 PM

Marjorie Taylor Greene Whines About 'Working For Free' Due To Mask Fines

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by Anonymousreply 276March 9, 2022 6:59 PM

Yeah, I think that Spring Break and March Madness, without mandates, will be the Litmus Test for how Summer will be.

by Anonymousreply 277March 10, 2022 11:45 AM

Although have we heard anything about the Superbowl- it appears no one was wearing a mask attending the game.

by Anonymousreply 278March 10, 2022 1:29 PM

BA.2 is no longer doubling in the US every week. It’s only up to 11.6% now, so a little less than a 50% increase from last week.

by Anonymousreply 279March 10, 2022 5:33 PM

I just saw two major articles on Apple News about the "new" Deltacron strain that's been discovered, but I could have sworn we were talking about this two months ago.

by Anonymousreply 280March 10, 2022 6:52 PM

R280 It was mentioned in Megathread 11 back in January.

by Anonymousreply 281March 11, 2022 12:39 AM

R280 This article explains the reports from January. .. Was it really a variant back then, or what some call a "scariant."

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by Anonymousreply 282March 11, 2022 12:43 AM

Buckle up

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by Anonymousreply 283March 12, 2022 3:04 PM

The Late Show's Rockin' 2 Year Coronavirus Pandemi-Versary: A F̶o̶n̶d̶ Look Back

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by Anonymousreply 284March 12, 2022 3:07 PM

Things are at "critical" stage in Germany.

300,000 new cases two days ago, another 250,000 yesterday.

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by Anonymousreply 285March 12, 2022 7:19 PM

Why can’t this infect the Russian troops?

by Anonymousreply 286March 13, 2022 5:09 AM

Obama has Covid.

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by Anonymousreply 287March 13, 2022 10:11 PM

From CNBC: "China Covid spike: Shenzhen shuts production, Shanghai closes schools.

Mainland China is facing its worst Covid-19 outbreak since the height of the pandemic in 2020.

Shenzhen, the biggest city in the manufacturing hub of Guangdong province, told all businesses not involved with essential public services to suspend production or have employees work from home starting Monday.

Shanghai, the coastal metropolis home to many foreign businesses and financial firms in China, has reverted schools to online classes."

I thought China had pretty ruthlessly gotten Covid under control.

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by Anonymousreply 288March 14, 2022 7:02 PM

Shot #4 may be coming soon.

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by Anonymousreply 289March 16, 2022 12:57 AM

Or maybe not, R289.

"Raising the alarm about depleted funding for the U.S. pandemic response, the White House said the government also would not have enough money to provide additional COVID-19 booster shots or variant-specific vaccines without a new injection of cash."

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by Anonymousreply 290March 16, 2022 1:16 AM

Another COVID Explosion Coming?

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by Anonymousreply 291March 16, 2022 5:33 PM

Johnson & Johnson perhaps vindicated.

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by Anonymousreply 292March 17, 2022 12:37 AM

Elderlez, do you think that CV now is at influenza levels now regarding deaths? I was a bit shocked how many people die from the flu.

by Anonymousreply 293March 17, 2022 1:24 PM

I went to Disney, because I considered my and my wife’s risks as acceptably low given that’ we were recently boosted ladies. The big risk difference with flu now is the still really large unvaccinated population, but if they are willing to use Paxlovid I think even they could get to what I consider an acceptable-ish risk of death. (To be clear, i consider anything higher than 1 in two thousand personally unacceptable)

by Anonymousreply 294March 17, 2022 1:37 PM

[quote]if they are willing to use Paxlovid

And it they can get ahold of it.

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by Anonymousreply 295March 17, 2022 1:51 PM

Florida Health Official Put On Leave For Telling Staff To Get Vaccinated

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by Anonymousreply 296March 17, 2022 8:07 PM

Moderna also files for Shot #4 (Booster #2). But this one is for all adults.

Unless there is a huge spike of serious cases in the US, I don't think they're going to get too many takers for another shot with all the numbers still going down and mandates going away. All you have to do is to look at bars this St. Patrick's Day to see that people have pretty much abandoned any safeguards. Only people who know they're immunocompromised will want the 4th shot.

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by Anonymousreply 297March 18, 2022 11:12 AM

Sign me up r297.

by Anonymousreply 298March 18, 2022 11:13 AM

R297, numbers aren't going to be going down much longer. In my state (RI) the decline may already have bottomed out; the 7-day average plateaued and then ticked up a bit, and the rise in infections in European countries probably forebodes the same in the US soon.

by Anonymousreply 299March 18, 2022 11:27 AM

[quote]Unless there is a huge spike of serious cases in the US

You rang?

by Anonymousreply 300March 18, 2022 12:10 PM

R297 I'm getting a 4th shot (of Moderna! my others were Pfizer) next week. I have travel planned and also want to get ahead of R300.

by Anonymousreply 301March 18, 2022 1:16 PM

Hey R300 I read today that you are big in Rhode Island.

Let me know how you react to Moderna R301/Sylvia.

by Anonymousreply 302March 19, 2022 12:26 AM

Rhode Island, ElderLez? I live there ....

by Anonymousreply 303March 19, 2022 12:43 AM

State with the highest percentage of COVID cases being the BA.2 subvariant. I believe you went first with original omicron as well. Oddly New Hamster is #2. New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts all made the top 10.

by Anonymousreply 304March 19, 2022 12:49 AM

(And I hope you are OK R303)

by Anonymousreply 305March 19, 2022 1:41 AM

Thanks, ElderLez, so far I am. Keeping the mask on indoors with other people around, although the past couple of days I've dropped it in one-on-one meetings when we were sitting far enough away. My university (from which Dr. Jha has just been extracted for higher things) is dropping the mask mandates and testing mandates—though at the discretion of the instructors. We'll see how that works out after spring break.

by Anonymousreply 306March 19, 2022 1:47 AM

R306 my work has dropped mask mandates in non-patient facing areas already. Given my location I don’t need to wear a mask anywhere at work now, but I do when I am out of my office (hall, elevator) or in my office with someone. We are also allowed to be around other people while eating which never was allowed in 2021 not even in June.

by Anonymousreply 307March 19, 2022 11:12 AM

Good luck to your workplace! We've just had a series of breakfasts, lunches, and dinners for visitors here, from which I've absented myself, letting everyone else be the guinea pigs.

by Anonymousreply 308March 19, 2022 12:25 PM

I went to Ikea yesterday and there were very few people wearing masks. Fresh Thyme was better with more mask wearers.

by Anonymousreply 309March 20, 2022 3:44 PM

What it boils down to: the direction of this pandemic is being decided by people with marketing degrees.

Next up, we let Licensed Real Estate Agents run NASA.

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by Anonymousreply 310March 21, 2022 12:42 PM

Hillary has Covid.

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by Anonymousreply 311March 23, 2022 12:38 AM

And Jen Psaki.

by Anonymousreply 312March 23, 2022 1:37 AM

If Huma becomes poz then we know where they spent the weekend.

by Anonymousreply 313March 23, 2022 3:02 AM

[quote]And Jen Psaki.

Didn't she already have it recently? Damn.

by Anonymousreply 314March 23, 2022 3:37 AM

How’d shot four go Sylvia? R301

by Anonymousreply 315March 23, 2022 9:50 AM

R315 It's scheduled for Friday so that if it kicks my ass I can lay around on the sofa watching "Andy Warhol Diaries" all weekend.

by Anonymousreply 316March 23, 2022 10:19 AM

Good plan!

by Anonymousreply 317March 23, 2022 11:02 AM

Findings from a new Ivermectin study out of Ontario Canada.

[quote] Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

[quote] Patients who got the antiparasitic drug didn’t fare better than those who received a placebo

There are still at least 2 larger studies that may be releasing their findings soon- Oxford University and Duke Clinical Research Institute.

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by Anonymousreply 318March 24, 2022 3:36 AM

Between the bad news from the large ivermectin studies coming out and the single infection by itself not so protective after all NEJM correspondence I am linking below it’s a tough time to be a deplora-troll.

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by Anonymousreply 319March 24, 2022 9:43 PM

I'm shocked, r318...

by Anonymousreply 320March 25, 2022 3:06 AM

Well this sucks.

I was turned away for my 4th dose because of an extremely poorly-worded and confusing online questionnaire. The form asked, "Have you received your third dose at least five months ago?" Now, like the VAST majority of people, I thought that "third dose" = "booster," so I checked off "yes" and scheduled the appointment with no trouble.

At the pharmacy they explained that some immunocompromised people had received a third full dose (technically NOT a booster dose) and THAT is what the form was referring to. So because my third shot was a "booster" and not a "dose" they couldn't give me a fourth. Seriously? I have a friend with full-blown imaginary fibro, and she was able to con someone into giving her a fourth dose weeks ago!

Now I won't be able to relax and enjoy my trip to NYC. ElderLez, tell me, is anyone masking anywhere at all?

by Anonymousreply 321March 25, 2022 2:56 PM

In the subway, in midtown, at rush hour most people are masked. I think masks are still required for shows also.

Infections are up 44% in New York over the past 14 days, but as of Wednesday hospitalization were still going down.

I hope you are able to enjoy the trip. I am now assuming my booster is indefinitely protective unless someone like Florian Krammer tells me otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 322March 25, 2022 4:35 PM

Sylvia that makes no sense whatsoever. Can you try elsewhere before you leave, a different chain, perhaps?

by Anonymousreply 323March 25, 2022 5:16 PM

Tweet by Risa Hoshino, MD:

PSA: Please test for COVID if you are having gastrointestinal symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, or abdominal pain. I am seeing a huge increase in these symptoms (sometimes without any upper respiratory symptoms).

by Anonymousreply 324March 25, 2022 8:02 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 325March 26, 2022 9:14 PM

Hey Sylvia/R321, I believe we are similar ages so this *might* be of interest to you.

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by Anonymousreply 326March 27, 2022 6:18 PM

R326 I heard about that. I'm not 50 for another six months, but maybe I can find a sympathetic pharmacist who'll think that's close enough? At least my partner (turning 50 this week) will be able to get his booster before he has to travel to a conference this summer.

by Anonymousreply 327March 27, 2022 7:05 PM

Oh you are a little younger than me. It’s so hard to tell on DataLounge where we all look decades younger.

by Anonymousreply 328March 27, 2022 8:24 PM

I'm 39.

by Anonymousreply 329March 27, 2022 10:45 PM

And just like that, I walked in to Walgreen's yesterday afternoon and got my 2nd booster with no hassle. Thanks, FDA!

by Anonymousreply 330March 30, 2022 12:36 PM

Sylvia, was it 6 months since the last one? I have until May.

by Anonymousreply 331March 30, 2022 12:42 PM

R331 I think the new FDA guidance from yesterday said four months or more, but for me it was a few days shy of six.

by Anonymousreply 332March 30, 2022 1:03 PM

Thanks! Hope your side effects are under control.

by Anonymousreply 333March 30, 2022 1:06 PM

Glad to hear you got your shot, Sylvia. I made an appointment for my boss yesterday. He is 72. They were still asking online if the person getting the booster was immunocompromised, so they haven't updated things. I just said he was since he's eligible due to age. I can't believe it's already been 6 weeks since I got my fourth shot. Time is flying.

by Anonymousreply 334March 30, 2022 5:21 PM

Just got mine.

by Anonymousreply 335March 30, 2022 5:22 PM

Cancer survivor here. Went last week for my yearly CT scan, 6 years out from surgery and chemo. Doctor told me this week they saw some nodules on my lung that were not there last year and they want to do a follow up in 6 months. As far as I know I never had Covid, and I had no symptoms at all (4x vaxxed and very, very careful). Wondering if perhaps I was asymptomatic at any point and the nodes are due to Covid. It would certainly be preferable to the alternative (or one of the alternatives, I suppose).

by Anonymousreply 336March 30, 2022 7:09 PM

Happy for you Sylvia! Now you can be worry free on your New York trip.

by Anonymousreply 337March 30, 2022 9:35 PM

We're booked for this Friday afternoon.

by Anonymousreply 338March 30, 2022 10:11 PM

Just booked my 2nd booster at CVS for tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 339March 31, 2022 4:06 PM

Not peer reviewed, but interesting that older women had higher antibody levels than men or younger women post infection.

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by Anonymousreply 340March 31, 2022 10:20 PM

^ Obsessed fetishist .

by Anonymousreply 341April 1, 2022 12:16 AM

^Despicable creetin.

by Anonymousreply 342April 1, 2022 7:40 AM

^ Massive bellends

by Anonymousreply 343April 1, 2022 9:48 PM

^poxy pillock

OK are we done with the insults now? Should we go back to haikus?

by Anonymousreply 344April 1, 2022 10:00 PM

^ bubbleheaded booby

by Anonymousreply 345April 1, 2022 10:04 PM

{quote] Should we go back to haikus?

If life transcends death

Then I will seek for you there.

If not, then there too.

by Anonymousreply 346April 1, 2022 10:43 PM

If I were clever, I'd create this question in the form of a haiku. But I'm not, so here it is:

For those of you who have mixed the MRNA vaccines, did you experience different side effects?

I've had Pfizer for both main doses and the first booster. I've stuck with Pfizer because I know what to expect with it (basically it knocks me on my butt the day or so after the shot). However, as I'm considering getting the second booster, I'm wondering if I should switch to Moderna if it gives different immune response (as one of the studies posted here said). Not sure if I want to deal with a new set of side effects.

by Anonymousreply 347April 2, 2022 1:26 PM

How's this?

Mixing the vaccines. Should I stick with familiar. New side effects suck.

by Anonymousreply 348April 2, 2022 1:29 PM

Oh crap, I messed up for formatting

Mixing the vaccines.

Should I stick with familiar?

New side effects suck.

by Anonymousreply 349April 2, 2022 1:30 PM

We got our second Covid boosters at Costco this morning. Quick, painless, and done! Funky cold Moderna. We'd had the Pfizer previously. I'm hoping the 5G kicks in today!

by Anonymousreply 350April 2, 2022 4:38 PM

This thread is just one old hypochondriac dyke talking to herself.

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by Anonymousreply 351April 2, 2022 5:17 PM

There is a study that suggests Moderna induces a broader T-cell response than Pfizer, possible because of the envelope (Lipid Nano Particle) that delivers the vaccine payload. It causes a stronger immune reaction (with more unpleasant side effects as a result) but that also causes the immune system to more attuned to different variants.

Heterogenous vaccine dosing is seen as a good thing regardless (that is, mix 'n' match vaccines) so whatever you've had already, diversify when you get boosted. Personally, I'm hoping to get Novovax next time if I should need another booster.

P.S. to R351 - fuck off, troll!

by Anonymousreply 352April 3, 2022 6:17 AM

Well, r352, it is certainly giving us stronger side effects than the Pfizer. We got the Moderna booster shortly before noon yesterday, and since last night we are achy, tired and a bit cranky!

by Anonymousreply 353April 3, 2022 5:41 PM

First Moderna: Slight achiness in the arm.

Second Moderna: Thought I was gonna die. Dizzy and lightheaded for weeks.

Third Moderna: Very slight pain in the arm, slight dizziness.

Fourth Moderna: Fatigue and dizziness. Still lightheaded four days later.

by Anonymousreply 354April 3, 2022 6:35 PM

Moderna 1 - spider bite type pain length of the arm, tired - lasted 24 hours then gone in minutes.

Moderna 2 - spider bite type pain length of the arm, extreme fatigue, whole body muscle aches, nausea, fever, chills, sweats, fever- lasted 24 hours then gone in minutes, injection site pain for a week

Pfizer booster - tired for two days - gradually dissipated, injection site pain for a week

by Anonymousreply 355April 3, 2022 6:43 PM

I had no soreness at all in my arm from my second Pfizer booster. However I did have some chest discomfort and heart palpitations but that’s also what I had from the other three shots because I have Long Covid vasculitis.

by Anonymousreply 356April 3, 2022 8:26 PM

Covid is blowing up again. We haven't even gotten to peak BA.2 and there's already a new mutation on the rise. But hey, there's no need to wear masks, right?

by Anonymousreply 357April 8, 2022 6:22 AM

Here. Have some posters on testing solutions.

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by Anonymousreply 358April 8, 2022 7:04 AM

[quote] Covid is blowing up again

Is not!! And you know it's true because we changed our map colors; map colors don't lie!

by Anonymousreply 359April 8, 2022 11:48 AM

There’s nothing wrong with wearing a mask.

Blowing up seems a bit hyperbolic though when describing what is going on in the United States. BA.2 is about three quarters of cases, but hospitalizations are still declining or flat in all but four states.

by Anonymousreply 360April 8, 2022 12:07 PM

Pfizer 1- Nothing Pfizer 2- Mosquito bite Pfizer Booster- Nothing Pfzier 2 Booster- Mosquito bite.

by Anonymousreply 361April 8, 2022 2:37 PM

^^^ I wish there was a booster for mosquito bites. Those damn Aedes mosquitos are back (the fucking "ankle biters").

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by Anonymousreply 362April 8, 2022 7:44 PM

Viral Load in Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated.

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by Anonymousreply 363April 9, 2022 3:55 PM

I just took my first at home Covid test. I can see why they're so unreliable.

by Anonymousreply 364April 9, 2022 8:13 PM

I took an at home test yesterday also. Yeah, that dispenser doesn't do the 4 drops well, but I figure that since the Control was a strong line that the amount was good.

Tested negative. Yay. Just a stomach issue.

by Anonymousreply 365April 10, 2022 11:44 AM

Last weekend's Gridiron Dinner in D.C. was a super-spreader event, with at least 67 attendees testing positive after the event.

That number does not include the many staff members at the Renaissance Hotel in Washington who worked the event. Most of the employees who worked the dinner wore masks but most of the attendees did not.

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by Anonymousreply 366April 10, 2022 12:55 PM

Intranasal vaccines

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by Anonymousreply 367April 11, 2022 9:59 PM

Hooray for Philadelphia! (I can't believe I just said that.)

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by Anonymousreply 368April 12, 2022 1:20 AM

Good. Hopefully NYC will follow suit, and then LA

by Anonymousreply 369April 12, 2022 1:38 AM

Have we abandoned this thread?

by Anonymousreply 370April 17, 2022 9:48 PM

I believe it is greyed out for a lot of people. Do you want to start a new thread R370?

by Anonymousreply 371April 17, 2022 9:50 PM

Is it over?

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by Anonymousreply 372April 17, 2022 10:01 PM

[quote] I believe it is greyed out for a lot of people. Do you want to start a new thread [R370]?

I'm fine to continue on the Covid last Sad Days thread, Elder Lez, I just wasn't sure if we were still using this. I still find a lot of the stuff posted helpful, even two years out, so I didn't want to unfollow this if we were going to keep using it.

by Anonymousreply 373April 17, 2022 10:32 PM

To me that’s a side thread, but I am fine with using it as the main thread with a link from this one so we don’t lose the history.

by Anonymousreply 374April 17, 2022 10:35 PM

Zoonotic spillover from minks in Michigan

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by Anonymousreply 375April 18, 2022 11:05 AM

Bob Wachter; Shopping Safeway is def not in my "If I get Covid from this, it would've been worth the risk" category. Yet ~1/2 people I saw today in store in SF were unmasked.

Asymptomatic test pos. rate @ UCSFHospitals is now 1.6%. Thus ~1/60 people in SF who feel fine likely has Covid.

Ergo, if 40 people in Safeway,~48% chance at least 1 had Covid.

Most of the maskless folks will get lucky. But a few won't – getting ill, Long Covid, or catching/spreading to others. It looks like we're going to see what happens when many folks are "over it." Even in SF.

(I wish half the people in my area were still wearing masks. I was in a busy grocery store Friday and I saw one other person wearing a mask. Even the employees who had been masking up are maskless.)

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by Anonymousreply 376April 18, 2022 11:12 AM

^For the life of me I don't understand how so many doctors on Twitter have time to compose 25-Tweet posts to simply say "keep wearing a mask in public because the pandemic's not over" when doctors in real life only have time to see you for 15 minutes max during an office visit and are pretty much unreachable for any questions afterwards. Is Twitter paying them for their time? Even ER doctors seem to be constantly Tweeting. Where do they find all of this time for social media?

by Anonymousreply 377April 18, 2022 11:22 AM

My university dropped the mask requirement a few weeks ago as numbers went down, making it optional for instructors. Since then one of the four students in my class has come down with covid (tested negative for the first few days of symptoms, then positive for the next week). Three visitors (prospective students) have had to cancel their visits because they got sick and tested positive, and at least one colleague in my department has covid.

Given the above, I don't think the mask requirement I continue to impose on my class is misplaced. I'll keep wearing a mask when I go to a store, and I'll continue to decline invitations to lunch and dinner indoors; I don't consider that some kind of paranoia or virtue-signaling—it's just a way of not getting sick. Btw none of the above cases has been recorded as part of pubic statistics; all used at-home tests.

by Anonymousreply 378April 18, 2022 11:23 AM

(I'll add that I hardly ever go to the doctor, but the experiences of my parents and some friends are that doctors really don't seem to have much time anymore during office visits. I'm not complaining about doctors as I'm extremely grateful for their existence, I just wonder how so many of them find the time to continually Tweet.)

by Anonymousreply 379April 18, 2022 11:26 AM

Oops! That was meant to be signed R377.

by Anonymousreply 380April 18, 2022 11:27 AM

My boss has COVID now; I'm amazed that she hasn't gotten it sooner. She's constantly traveling, speaking in front of audiences, etc. I have no idea what precautions she takes, but I think she's of the "if I drink enough kombucha and do yoga, I won't get COVID" ilk.

I managed to evade COVID on my trip to NYC by eating outdoors and/or takeout in my hotel room. And taking the stairs a lot.

by Anonymousreply 381April 18, 2022 12:00 PM

"pubic" = "public." They're not part of pubic statistics, either, but that's not relevant.

by Anonymousreply 382April 18, 2022 12:12 PM

Pubic statistics are ALWAYS relevant.

by Anonymousreply 383April 18, 2022 12:35 PM

Yay Sylvia!

by Anonymousreply 384April 18, 2022 4:24 PM

Link to thread that should be easier to use.

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