‘Love, Victor’ season 3 will be its final season

Fuck Victor!

[quote]Fuck Victor!

That sounds good to me.

R2 Simon and Victor are friends.

[quote] Simon and Victor are friends.

Victor stole my goddamned show!

Victor stole nothing.

R2 Been there done that.

[quote] Victor stole nothing.

Victor stole my goddamned virginity!

I liked it. In these times when the anti-gay fascists are crawling out from under their rocks yet again. Think the kids need a show like this. The battle is never over. We need all the weapons we can get. Of course I also like to ogle hispanic twinks.

I hope they have a threeway with Charlie Hall this season.

Victor needs to come out as TRANS.

It would be the perfect ending.

Victor 's LITTLE BROTHER , ADRIAN, needs to come out as TRANS.

It would be the perfect ending.

Damn.

Of course. One of my current favs gets the ax. Always.

What a bummer. Such a well-made, feel-good show and needed in these times.

So not only are they ending it, but they only got 8 episodes for Season 3 unlike the 10 episodes Season 1 and 2 got.

Man, Hulu was ready for this to be over.

I felt bad when I heard. They also said it would only be 8 episodes this season which stinks. I know this. They better make sure Benji and Victor get back together. Rahim can find his own man. Little fucker. Now, Michael loves to be on Instagram and Tik Tok. So does the unforgivably attractive Mason. But I only have eyes for George. Man is way too beautiful. If anyone hears any rumors about why they shortened it I'd love to know. Some fans speculated that they gave everyone raises and blew up the budget for the final season. So fewer episodes.

Well the show was LAME so not surprised. It never reached the emotional punch of the movie, despite having18 more hours of runtime to work with. It all just felt sort of bland and far too conservative. I was sick of Victor acting naive one minute then a mean little bottom bitch the next. Couldn't communicate and left people out to dry.

I love the idea of the show but feel that coming out stories already feel like a dated concept.

This was originally a Disney+ show that was just pushed off for Hulu to handle. It's quite possible the Hulu team never really wanted it, without big numbers why bother continuing.

hope he gets more work

See, I think this is what happens when you get straight guys playing Gay. To do it in a movie or a very limited series, they all claim they can do it just fine, no worries. Now they had like a couple scenes in Season 2 where Victor and his boyfriend were fucking. Or trying to. They were cuddling at the bonfire, and making out in the storeroom at work, and the Janitor's closet at school, and kissing constantly. But kissing gets boring and there's a point where you have to do more. And Obviously in Season 3 they have to take the intimacy to another level. And maybe he breaks up with the hot boyfriend and decides to be a little whoor. So he has to get naked or semi naked and act convincingly like he is fucking around another guy. And if you're straight, all that stuff works on your mind. It can rock your world. If they had cast Gay guys they could have had ten seasons of convincing sex. Well, maybe not ten, but I'm just sayin"

wtf? It has nothing to do with the sexuality of the actors. 🤦

What will happen to the cute boys?

R19 is deranged. I wish there gay members of the cast too but your post is one of the dumbest and nonsensical things I've read on this board.

R21 They’ll be put down, like the dogs that didn’t get adopted by the end of the month, even if they came in on the 28th.

I can't imagine not seeing this beautiful man again!

Why was it canceled? Season 2 didn’t bring in good numbers. That’s why.

Like most gay shows.

Michael Cimino is heterosexual? It’s a new breed of straight guys nowadays. The lines are blurring. We aren’t harassing and bullying men into traditional masculine behavior like we used to. So straight guys are calming down a little bit.

Victor is a whore.

That's why we cancelled the show.

I never watched the show, but I like the brown guy.

I’m rooting for Rahim. Benji is damaged goods. I was done with him when he disrespected Victor’s mom. Granted, she was being extra when Victor came out but we’ve seen FAR worse homophobic parents than that. She didn’t deserve Benji disrespecting her in her own house. Fuck Benji, and not in a good way. Rahim is fucking adorable, inside and out.

I’m hoping the character played by Lukas Gage comes back in and sweeps Victor off his feet and teaches him how to eat ass like in White Lotus.

Off course Rahim being the "queer Muslim" need to be the the effeminate flamboyant caricature. I guess a regular masculine probably top Muslim guy will make people uncomfortable.

And as mentioned in other thread Victor have transformed from the sweet gay teen in season 1 to Carrie Bradshaw in season 2.

Benji isn’t gorgeous. Actually, his face isn’t even that cute.

Season 1 did very well, which is why they gave it a second season, despite it being a dump off from Disney+. Season 2 did not perform nearly as well so they decided to give it a final season.

Remember, they even took a while to announce they would give it a season 3. They were debating if they should just cancel it or not but decided to give it one last go.

Victor is no Simon.

[quote] Victor is no Simon.

Simon is a boring cunt!

Love, Simon wasn’t some box office smash either. Some of you live on a deluded world of make believe.

On top of that, the complaints that a show made for 13 year olds is not graphic enough shows how fucked up in the head some of you are.

Love, Simon had a hotter lead, that’s all.

Simon has herpes and crabs.

Nick isn’t hot.

3 seasons means that it wasn’t popular for the masses.

The show was so lame and tame.

No dongs, no regrets.

Fisting accident gone wrong?

A lot of exclusive streaming platform shows get just three seasons to tell their story (easy binge-watching experience). Only the super successful ones, like Stranger Things, get more. You rarely read about shows being cancelled prematurely (who would bother with a show that, say, ends with a cliffhanger?).

[quote] Cimino identifies as straight, although said of his sexuality, "I don't want to put myself in a box and put myself in a position where if I were to come out as bi or as gay 10 years from now, that I was defending an identity that was being true to myself."

From one of his interviews…what exactly is he saying?

R43 Another Lucas Hedges. LOL!

Fuck you R29 for defending an abusive homophobic POS instead of a teenager, a kid, basically, who has had a real struggle with coming out. His words in Season 1 if you were really listening, "I didn't want to be Gay. I drank a lot." Then the accident that lands him in a hospital because he literally drove his car into a brick wall? He was into harming himself. Maybe even a suicide attempt. And because he went though all that, he was protective and supportive of Victor, even though he, himself is very fragile.. Think about how it would be if you had a boyfriend who you were crazy about, and he was really close to his mother, who wouldn't even allow you in her house. Adrian not knowing was her leverage. Because every single person who came into that house had cooperate in her lying to Adrian. She couldn't even look at Benji, without triggering her gag reflex. She threw out an entire dinner rather than share a meal with him.

Isabel, Victor's mother was my least favorite character. She was a homophobic, manipulative abusive bitch. Yet we are supposed to be patient with her, tolerate her, excuse he and place all the burden on a kid? No Way. You are confusing standing up for yourself with being disrespectful. Benji never disrespected her. Please also remember. It was Victor who called him and asked him to come over. It was Victor who said my mother isn't home. It was Victor who said come into my bedroom. Victor knew his bother was home. So spare me the bullshit of Benji being disrespectful and Benji being toxic. I'm tired of that narrative because it justifies that horrible witch's behavior. Victor was a thoughtless cunt. Isabel knew she was wrong. She admitted it to he husband and even went to the cafe to apologize to Benji.

Her thing was power. She felt like Benji was influencing Victor and she was insecure about her son having someone else besides her as an influence. That's why she got along with Rahim. She recognized Rahim. He was femme. Some might even say, stereotypically Gay. This is what people like her think of when you say Gay. Rahim was not fucking her son. So he was welcome in he house and she sang show tunes with him. How cliche'.

I don’t know, R44. That statement reminds me of that Josh Hutcherson interview a few years ago where he claimed that he could possibly fall in love with a guy in the future. It’s like their publicists coached them on maintaining gay viewership.

The guy from that show who is going to hit it big, is Mason Gooding. He's landed in the Scream Franchise and the producers of Love Victor adore him. They are putting him in other projects..

[quote] Her thing was power. She felt like Benji was influencing Victor and she was insecure about her son having someone else besides her as an influence. That's why she got along with Rahim. She recognized Rahim. He was femme. Some might even say, stereotypically Gay.

I think the mother was less threatened by Rahim, because he was less threatening in a sexual way. Rahim was campy and entertaining. Benji was more what she expected: Catching Victor and Benji in the act of making out, bringing all the sordid homo sex business into her pure, Christian mind. You know, the one that told her to cheat on her husband with his boss, and they had to move because of it.

R42 Stranger things? Season 3 was like 3-4 years ago and they’re getting a 4th season. No one knows if it will get more. These streaming shows are canceled over any little thing.

GLOW was successful and they canceled it anyway, after renewing it.

Love Victor, like Love Simon, was a show/movie for teens. I find it strange when 50+ year old men are invested in shows for kids.

I think it 's about money. When a new show drops, something original, it's cheap. If it hits, and they renew it for a second and a third season and a fourth, two things happen, one is that the costs go up and it becomes more expensive, and corollary to that, the actors want more money to remain in the series. Some of them only have the series. But others, like a Mason Gooding, may have a lot of other offers and since the show really didn't use Mason enough, and his character was going nowhere, he is grateful it's cancelled.

[quote] I find it strange when 50+ year old men are invested in shows for kids.

Here's a thought... not everyone here is older. And two, most of us never had anything like this to enjoy when we were younger. God forbid we enjoy a little fluff actually made with people like us in mind.

[quote] Stranger things? Season 3 was like 3-4 years ago and they’re getting a 4th season. No one knows if it will get more.

So you agree, that four seasons are more than three seasons? Well done.

Exactly, R51. I'm in my 40's and I watch it with my mother who loves it. She's 68. In fact she is the one who found it and told me about it.

I actually feel this site has more teenage and 20 something girls than old gay men. Judging by all the fan threads.

The anal sex, porn and anti-Republican threads remind me this is a gay site.

That said people can enjoy fluffy feel good stuff. Us gays deserve it instead of all the depressing gay films with HIV, heartbreak and death that was ubiquitous in the 90s and 2000s

R53 is being in your 40s the same as being 13?????? You still aren’t the demographic. Sit down and watch it or shut the fuck up. It’s a kids show. You seem sick and perverted.

R54 nope. You and your sock accounts aren’t teens, nor are they other people. The site doesn’t have a lot of people to begin with anymore, yet alone tons of young people.

[quote] The guy from that show who is going to hit it big, is Mason Gooding. He's landed in the Scream Franchise and the producers of Love Victor adore him. They are putting him in other projects..

Sounds like favortism to me.

He just happens to be the son of Cuba Gooding, Jr.

Is Mason Gooding gay?

I see a lot of photos of him together with this guy.

That’s a photo of them together r58? They aren’t together there…. Do you need your meds?

Happy now, R59?

Wow, Mason used to be a little CHUBSTER!

R60 not the same person…. That isn’t Dylan Minnette

Mason went from little fatty, to this!

Oh, please. And who is the "demographic" for fucking Golden Girls which is still in reruns? Don't talk Demographics.

Now we are comparing The Golden Girls to this? On another thread you were comparing teens/young adults to 12 year olds. Im starting to think you have a real problem.

Oh my r45! I do think we touched a nerve. Was your inner Benji insulted. LOL

Those of us who have been exposed and victimized by abusive homophobic bitches reacted in a visceral way the character of Isabel. was dawn. So the Nerve was homophobia. I'm a fan of the show. I have been on other sites discussing the characters and situations. My personal experience was not easy and if I had a program like this 15- 20 years ago it would have helped. But many of us were shocked at the blowback towards Benji's character saying he was disrespectful and toxic, actually giving Isabel a pass. So when I see that bullshit here I tell it, baby. No apologies. To produce and write and present a show about coming out, centered on a high school kid, on teenagers, and do it in a way that is sympathetic with that kind of abuse, is disgusting. At least at the end they have her admitting she was wrong and then going to the cafe to apologize. But watching her was painful to me.

THREAD CLOSED!

R32 " Season 2 did not perform nearly as well so they decided to give it a final season."

Season 2 our sweet little cutey patootie Victor got fucked up his patootie. We don't like that to happen to our gays.

Loved that scene.

Will they have enough time in season three to include a gay bashing storyline?

Michael seems like a sincere dude. Hope he does well or a least doesn't have to move back into the two bedroom apt with 10 "fucking people".

^ Were the "ten fucking people" fucking him?

“Michael, show us with the dolls how the ten people were fucking.”

This show was still pretty tame and cheesy by the standards of most Hulu original programming. I think the writers didn't want to go too far given the Disney family friendly roots of the property. Had they pushed it edgier Hulu would probably be more interested.

Hulu is majority-owned by Disney. It was just moved from one platform to another (under the same company) because they wanted to depict things beyond Disney+'s family friendly image (the irony being that there is stuff on Disney+ that is not all family friendly.)

Cobra Kai has been Nielsen #1 top streaming show on Netflix for a few weeks now and it still hasn’t been renewed for s6 so maybe its not the ratings?

Disney+ is fairly new, and the leadership struggles with the image branding. Hulu is supposed for the edgier titles of Disney entertainment. But, I guess too many cooks in the kitchen disagree which title belongs where in some cases.

r77, maybe there are unresolved contract issues (renegotiating salaries for some of the leading cast?)?

R78, I read Ralph and William earned $100,000 (each) for each episode in s1-2 and then I heard it’s Ralph who was paid more than William so Idk which version is true.

Whats next in the "Love X" franchise ?

Maybe they'll do Love Rahim and make it about Muslim Gays. Or Love, Lake, and make it about Lesbians.

[quote] Season 2 our sweet little cutey patootie Victor got fucked up his patootie

At least I'm a top!

Maybe they’ll move the setting from ATL, due to the growing number of asshole republican governors trying to pass legislation prohibiting the discussion of sexuality.

Simon has chlamydia and gave it to 10 of his tricks.

Maybe they'll do Victor goes to college

[quote] Maybe they'll do Victor goes to college

Victor's too stupid to go to college.

He'll be turning tricks in no time. Or OnlyFans.

The show is aimed at 13 year olds… how edgy did you want it?

Yes. It’s about ratings. They debated on even renewing it at all

r81 While Boy Love genre is hugely popular among girls the same cannot be said about lesbians. Carpet munching is not that interesting to made into a tv show.

[quote]The show is aimed at 13 year olds… how edgy did you want it?

A show depicting two guys naked and fucking is aimed at 13 year olds. Wow. Times have changed.

Victor is a pussy.

R90 you couldn’t see them naked. It was a side view. It was done in a way that would have passed many tv censors.

I want to see full nudity!

Then watch porn. Not a show for 13 year olds b

Michael Cimino is 22 years old, and that's old enough to show dick and ass!

We demand to see more of this in the final season!

R43 Michael awhile back I believe posted something on his IG stories about bisexuality.

I think he was gay baiting, R97.

Or he's lying and he's 100% gay.

I don't believe that he's bi.

Any young actor taking gay roles now seemingly is told he must make some kind of non-committal announcement about his theoretical possible future maybe non-straight evolution. It's a thing.

I hope it ends with Simon sweeping in and rescuing Victor on his 18th birthday telling him it’s him, and always been him that he’s been in love with and whisking him a way to a fabulous new life as an A List Gay in NYC or LA because Simon is now the most famous and wealthy Social Media Gay the world has ever known. You know, the happy ending every young Gayling wishes for.

[quote] I hope it ends with Simon sweeping in and rescuing Victor on his 18th birthday telling him it’s him

Ew, Simon's too old for me.

“Simon is a daddy and he can get it!”

Simon in NYC never felt right to me. He isn’t a NYC gay type. His boyfriend maybe. But him? He feels like a Midwestern gay who would be living in Chicago or something, not NYC or LA.

I think Nic is likable but I've neve been attracted to him. Victor needs to get out here and whore around for a while. I want him to haunt the Gay bar and get laid a lot, and I want him to break in new young Gaylings.

Brilliant idea: Evan Hansen and Victor or Simon or whoever get together for a three-way. I get all of these fictional people confused for some reason.

The only three guys worth doing are Michael, George and Mason. They do it for me. And of course if Nico Greetham is part of the cast I add him to my short list.

R106 You wouldn’t do tall, smart, strapping Charlie Hall, with the potential inheritance in the tens of millions of dollars if not hundreds?

Sometimes Cimino looks ethereally pretty and other times he doesn’t. Sort of a two-face.

OK, put him on the list. I forgot about him.

Someone needs to explain what it is about George t hat is so sexually alluring. I love Michael. I think he's hot. Mason is hot. Charlie is hot. Nico is hot. They are. And I'd be more than happy to get with anyone who looked like them. But George just makes me think of sex. Totally raw, uninhibited sex. His hotness thing is off the charts IMO. Thee are very few guys in this world that have that effect on me.

R110 Yeah, no.

I haven’t heard anyone say George is hot. He’s definitely not my type

Beauty is subjective. I think George is gorgeous.

To each their own, man

I think he's attractive. Just not off the charts. I don't dislike small guys but he seems very slight.

Who knows r98 but I don't think it wasn't the first time that Michael has posted something about bisexuality.

[quote]I think he was gay baiting, [R97]. Or he's lying and he's 100% gay. I don't believe that he's bi.

R98 I'm somewhat confused.Are you saying you think he's either straight (gay baiting}, or 100% gay? Why do you believe he can be either straight, or gay, but he can't be bi?

How tall is Michael?

R118 5' 9" - I didn't have to look it up - I remember it from one of the Love, Victor threads. Michael said it on Twitter. This info was also on one of the threads.

I Love, Victor.

But I Hate, Simon.

well I think he's gorgeous. But I like Kit Harington, too.

They finally announced officially that Nico Greetham is going to be in Season 3. He will play a guy named Nick ( how imaginative) who is Victor's friend. They meet at church. Now either our Victor is going to get with this "friend" or he is going to fix someone else up. IMO he has to fix Rahim up. The height tells me Rahim and Nico would work. I can't see him fixing Nico up with Benji. I've read somewhere the title of this episode is called "the Set Up "

Maybe he plays a straight white boy who beats Victor to a pulp when Victor comes on to him.

And they said it wouldn't last! 3 seasons is like 12 years to a teenager!

I wonder what happened to Love, Victor creator Becky Albertalli's (and cowriter Adam Silvera's) attempt to get their YA gay novel What If It's Us made into a movie? This was supposed to have have happened 3 or 4 years ago but I'm not even sure it's still in development.

It was optioned for a movie back in 2018 but that doesn't meant that it would be made. It'll still likely happen but it's most likely just been put on hold.

I hope it end with all the gay boys bringing all the straight boys to big Gay graduation orgy at that lake house.

R126 I wonder if it will happen now, since the book is no longer that well known, and it even seems a little dated, in its references to Hamilton and The Sims and things like that.

R128 Movies based on books are never 100% the same. They could easily change references. They did with Love Simon.

The finale should be like a splashy 1950s musical... Guys and Trans! The Queen and I! Bottoms Are Twitching! It'll be a gay old time!

The next series will have a transperson as t protagonist.

I think Nico Greetham is going to be a good addition I already like him, and I didn't like Rahim/Anthony Keyvan.

I have to say that in general, this show's reach exceeds it's grasp. They took a bunch of really talented actors, the casting is damned near perfect, they created these characters, the producers convinced them they were doing something meaningful and important and even possibly groundbreaking, and then the writing just didn't measure up. The show could have been so much better. They let down their cast and their fans. I don't know if the writers just lack imagination, or the producers, or if they were too timid to really tell the story they promote, or if HULU pressured them to sanitize things or not go "too far" or what. But this show could have been so much better. They should have pitched this to Netflix. Disney sucks.

I've never seen the show, are they all "queers", or do they have gay characters too?

When woke entertainment crashes and burns because not enough people care to watch it, what lesson will be learned?

Hopefully next season delves into Benji’s T addiction and his adventures getting fisted in Mykonos/P-town/Fire Island. He’s such a gentle soul.

R133 Hulu encouraged them to make the show more adult. The first question they asked the creators after they took over the show from Disney is when they were going to have sex.

However this is based on a family friendly movie and the writers envisioned this for the family friendly Disney. I don't think they had any desire of changing course and making it super "edgy" in the vein of a Euphoria or the Gossip Girl reboot.

I only watched one or two episodes of the first season and felt it was "meh" but I'm clearly not the show's target audience. It's a pity it's being cancelled already because I think it's important to have shows out there for gay youth.

I know some people are saying that season two's numbers were bad, but given we have no access to streaming ratings we have no idea that's actually the case. Clearly the numbers were good enough to justify a third season. Obviously it's a business decisions (it's rare for streaming shows to go beyond three seasons these days anyways). But I do think Love Victor was a little bit of a "troubled production." It was originally supposed to be on Disney+ but shuffled too Hulu because Disney allegedly felt it was too adult, and then Hulu wanted to "steam it up" in the second season (but that got backlash from the usual group of homophobes and pearl clutchers).

The writing was shit.

R137, if you get a chance, ty watching season 1 & 2. I'd like your diagnosis/opinion. They each have 10 episodes and only about 30 minutes, each, so 5 hours per season.

I quite like the show. I think the main problem is the hype around the move from Disney+ to Hulu making it look edgier than it is. Even the second season, which was produced for Hulu, was - while nice - not as edgy or explicit as advertised. Sure, the boys made out and get caught in the act by Victor's mom, but that was one scene from the whole season. The show even has the very special episode about characters considering losing their virginity and how precious it is and that it's best to wait for the right guy and the right moment.

Again, it's a nice show, but it's for teens, not for adults.

Season 2 was better than season 1 mostly just because of the fact that season 1 was written for Disney+. Season 2 was written knowing it was going to be on Hulu so they were able to mature things up, at least a little bit.

Why are all the shows with gay characters I was watching ending? Genera+ion, Diary of a Future President, now this.

R142

I bet HSMTM:TS will be ending too. Fuck.

Love, Caydyn or Love, Maydyn. Something gender neutral to accommodate the needs of the transgender community.

R142 They need to clear up space for more gay shows that they'll eventually cancel

There's One of Us Is Lying on Peacock getting a second season, last I've heard. One of the main characters is gay.

R146

I loved that show and had forgot about it. Thanks for reminding me!

Damn, all the haters came out today.

It's a cute show. I think it fulfills the demographic/narrative that this show clearly set out in its tone from episode 1. It was never meant to be Euphoria or Elite. I think season 2 was even a major improvement from season 1. Though I always felt the show should have been 40/41 minutes an episode (equivalent to an hour show with ads), and that it got a few more episodes per season to flesh things out.

Good.

Nothing more dull than a couple of teens looking doe eyed at each other and thinking their romance is one for the ages.

I suppose the pedos enjoyed the show.

[quote] I've never seen the show, are they all "queers", or do they have gay characters too?

Actually, they use the word 'gay' pretty much all the time. The two main characters are gay, and self-identify as such in the show.

R149 Probably not, since it doesn't star pre-pubescent children. In fact most of the younger cast are in the 20s. Same as Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger in the mid-60s or James Dean and Liz Taylor in the mid-50s.

The cast maybe in their 20's but they are playing teens.

The Datalounge Pedos will be quite happy.

r22 apparently, he watched the sequels to not another gay movie.

Victor should date an older guy.

That would add some depth to his character.

It's not like the story would be ground breaking, because Randy Harrison's "Justin" character dated Brian (10 years older) on Queer As Folk, over 20 years ago. And Justin was in high school.

They need to do something to spice up the show for season three.

I think there should be a an immediate reboot called “Revenge, Victor,” where Victor and a cadre of Twinks travel the country hunting down and getting revenge on homophobes as a vigilante gang of rough Gay boys, living hard and on the edge. Directed by Gregg Araki. NC-17 for language, violence, nudity and sexual situations and great music, or what ever they call that warning on streaming TV.

They should’ve saved Rahim’s introduction for this season and made a new series: Love, Rahim.

And a porn parody called Love, Rimming.

I'll wait for the Love, Victor / Victoria: The Musical.

Hey, I'm here for Nico.

Would it have gone for more seasons if it were about a white guy instead of playing the diversity card and eeking out just 3 seasons?

Honestly I think the limitations of the writers showed in Season 2.Season 2 got a mixed reaction from me and a couple of my friends. While I think the cast of Love Victor is hot, Mason, George, Anthony Turpel, I thought the storyline was cliched and predictable. I preferred Young Royals.

Is Anthony Turpel a gay?

[quote] Cimino fa- m card, or what? He's only half Puerto Rican (half Italian-German), he has an Italian name, and he faced "racism" throughout elementary school (in Las Vegas)? Was it an all-white school? I find it hard to swallow a kid who looks like him - his skin is slightly dark - would have been singled out. How did the kids even know his mom was Latinx? He looks almost exactly likeone of my friends in high school who was half Italian, half Irish (i. e. white).

Then he says he got "death threats" - like, constantly, or once? On Twitter, or what?

I hope his large salary made up for the pain.

Of course they bring on Nico when the show is ending. LOL!

Do over: Cimino says he "faced racism through elementary school, saying children would throw him on the floor and kick him, and claim he ate bugs". He's only half Puerto Rican (half Italian-German), he has an Italian name. Was it an all-white school? How did kids even know his mom was Latinx? He has an Italian name (from his Italian-German dad) and he looks like he could be anything. He looks like a high school friend of mine who was Italian-Irish (white). Then he says he got "death threats" - like, constantly, or once? On Twitter, or what? I hope his large salary made up for the pain.(He says the threats from the LBGT community for ID-ing as straight and playing gay on TV).

I think that there should be a "very special episode" in season three, where Victor receives his first prostate exam by a big, burly doctor.

Is there ever going to be an obviously gay, effeminate guy as the hero of one of these series? A guy who makes costumes for the drama club, or something? Instead of a basketball player-jock? There's no longer a gay stigma on TV but there seems to be a stigma about being "gay-acting". Does it send a great message to gay kids that they're supposed to identify with straight or straight-acting actors playing gay kids? If there's a femmy gay kid, he's a supporting character, usually.

R167 True, to an extent. There have been a few exceptions lately, well, only one I can think of right now...not a series, but a movie. That "Everyone's Talking About Jaime" musical film that came out last year.

R168 Yes. I thought of that. But that's about a teenager who wants to be a drag queen. I just meant the average high school gay kid, like Victor is supposed to be, only - not straight-acting. There are probably more examples, but I don't watch every TV show so I don't know. There were several gay characters on 13 Reasons Why (supporting) - the only really effeminte one was played by Tommy Dorfman (R

(continued) ...Tommy Dorfman (Ryan Shaver). But he wasn't a very nice character.

I just wonder, after the producers have done everything to make the gay male characters on TV palatable to the straight teen girls who are the main audience for these shows - what about the gay-acting kids? Don't they get a show? Not a campy show, like Glee, or something, but a real situation that treats the main character as average and normal, facing life's everyday problems. Ther's a tendency to camp up these kids, make them the nerd best friend, or whatever. What about an attractive kid who just isn't 100% straight acting? I don't care if he's played by a gay or straight kid, just so he's represented.

Well it seems to me that an "obviously" Gay character, are you saying one who is effeminate? Because last season Love Victor introduced Rahim, who was stereotypically Gay. He was femme, and he was into fashion, and painted his nails, and he was on Grindr. oh, and they made him a Muslim kid with traditionally Muslim parents. He had to wear something over his clothes to get out of his house. He wore a lavender suede jacket to school,. he started out as Pilar's Gay friend from school, and then he is a constant presence in Victor's house seeking "advice" on how to come out to his parents. He sings show tunes with Victor's homophobic mother and compliments her on her home decor style. He develops a crush on Victor and when he isn't advising Pilar on how to go after Felix, who is dating Lake, he is trying to pry Victor away from Benji. He is a drama queen. By the end of Season 2 he declares his love for Victor and leaves us with a cliffhanger. At first I found him likeable but he was too underhanded and I was put off by that. Also didn't like the actor Anthony Keyvan when he was doing interviews, etc.

I honestly knew more gay boys like Rahim in my school than Victor and Benji.

The HBOMAX series Generation had quite the flaming lead character with Justice Smith in a cast of many LGBTQ+ characters, but it only lasted one season. Which was surprising since youwoukd have thought they want to capture more of that Euphoria audience.

R171 Yeah, I didn't mean like Rahim - I meant a romantic lead. Not necessarily into show tunes and decorating, just a kid who has some gay mannerisms as a lead, not someone who has to "tell" people he's gay or they might not suspect. I just think a lot of mainstream shows are about "straightening" gay lead characters, or characters that are supposed to be seen as sexy or attractive. It's dishonest, in a way. I'm someone who people usally assumed was straight, maybe that's why ironically I notice this trend.

[quote] Damn, all the haters came out today.

Oh honey, no. We're always here for every thread.

Hulu's next big show is called Blonde Caucasian Hot Jocks.

10 seasons are planned.

r167, I know it's not a TV series, but have you checked out Three Months on Paramount+? It stars Troye Sivan as the lead who's hardly the most alpha of gay males.

Link features the DL thread about it (not many commentaries, though). But it has the trailer.

I'm thinking that Rahim's storyline is going to get expanded. Like I think either he lied about how accepting his parents were, or he has accepting parents, but the Mosque they belong to is NOT accepting. He said they were devout Muslims. Some complication will arise with him in his personal life. I also think just based on what we know about Victor, he is going back to Benji. First of all, Victor hates feeling like a "loser." Benji is the hottest guy in school...according to Lake. Benji is well liked,...just like Mia was popular. And there was that thing with Victor standing on a chair announcing how really happy he was with Benji. Second, if Benji rejects him because he acted like an asshole, then he is going to mope around until he can figure out a way to at least make peace with Benji. He can't stand anyone not liking him. I think Nico Greetham's character will play a role. He is described as "Victor's friend from church."

Oh, fuck. If the showrunners want to get cute, they will film 2 different endings and the fans can choose the one they want.

[quote] Does it send a great message to gay kids that they're supposed to identify with straight or straight-acting actors playing gay kids?

Grandpa this is 2022 not 1974. There are plenty of masculine gays out. The last 2 years alone, many professional football players came out. No one cares about the minority of flaming queens.

Masculinity has nothing to do with sexual orientation. You're an old homophobic queen.

Look. The main theme of Season 3, is Victor is LOVED. Victor's Momma loves him, his father loves him, his sister Pilar loves him and his baby gayling brother, Adrian loves him. (WTF kind of name is that?) His BFF Felix loves him, the basketball team loves him, Mia loves him, Benji loves him, and Rahim loves him. Benji's mother loves him. Victor...is LOVED. That's it. That's the plot.

Really, R181?

Well guess what?

I HATE, Victor.

Does all this love end up with a basket ball team orgy with Charlie Hall as the main alpha? Then I’m here for it?

I don't have any real problem with TV shows that so often focus on the problems of minorities, immigrants, etc. - and social problems, social justice - but it's beginning to have a sameness. A show could be set in a white rural area in 1974 and they still would have to find a way to cast black, Asian, Latinx people - somehow. It seems like pandering at those times, and it also presents an ahistorical picture.

R184, since for years we have seen TV series set in Bumfuck or WTF ever, and they have been consistently "whitewashed" as a matter of policy by the networks, the studios who produced them and even the FCC, I don't mind at all seeing better representation. Here's an example: Did you know that Patton's army was comprised of Black soldiers? Not the entire army, but several divisions and they weren't gravediggers? The 761 tank battalion, known as the Black Panthers, in 1944 and the 1945 the 784th. They eventually fought in the Battle of the Bulge. Of course if you watched "Patton" starring George C. Scott, the only hint you would have gotten is the opening speech by his character. They were erased. In fact POC have been so thoroughly and consistently erased, that what you are now seeing is not fabrication but correction. Black people have always existed in America. Since the 1600's. Actually 1619. And of course Native Americans lived here. And the Asian Americans and Latinos were bought here as cheap labor . So get used to the corrections. Many of them are more historically accurate than you realize.

Is Victor's hole "blown out" yet?

Michael will go on to star in Love, Victor and Compassion and updated version of the McNally play with an all Latino cast.

I’m struggling my way through Season 2.

Victor’s mom is triggering me.

OMG Victor is so stupid.

“Wait what, you’re sober?”.

R185 Thanks for telling me a lot of stuff I already knew, but yeah it's fine as long as it's realistic. But every single show having a racial mix even if it's not likely in the region or era is erasing reality and replacing it with wishful thinking or just bowing to pressure from SJWs.

^ Weird place for this discussion in a Disney show set in Atlanta, but anyhoo.

R188, OMG me too. I hate her! If she thinks her bullshit apology at the end made any difference she'd be wrong. It was half hearted anyway. What a fucking bitch. And that little speech she made to Victor outside the Gay Bar ? Please. Look. IMO she hated Benji because she believed Benji had influence over Victor and it was a power thing competition. She was shitty to Mia at first too, but the homophobia on steroids was unbelievable with Benji. She couldn't even share a meal. She gagged on her nachos. LOL!.

Do you think she’d be more accepting if she saw Victor as the top?

Does Victor really hate Simon?

Does Simon really hate Victor?

Are they just two bitchy queens, being bitchy to each other?

Are they enemies who become lovers? Find out on the final season of Love, Victor!

I think Nico Greetham is going to end up with Rahim. I think Victor is going to tell Rahim he doesn't like him "that way" and he will spend several episodes alone, trying to get Benji back. Nico, his "friend from church" will counsel him and they will hang out together, Nico, Rahim, and Victor, and finally Benji will give in and take Victor back, once Victor realizes what an asshole he has been and stats behaving. Victor's Mother will have her hands full dealing with Felix wanting to fuck her daughter.

We know how this is going to end. Ever since the main writer of a show about a closeted gay jock turned the series into a pity party for fem gays and their traumas. Let's hope we get to see Bebe Wood lez out with the other chick and Anthony Turpel, she's the most interesting character and actor in the show after Victor's family. They deserve a better story.

It really shows the age of posters here when they're getting so upset with Victor's mom. She acted like most of my Latino relatives when they deal with gay issues. It's hardly traumatic, maybe you should find some therapy, the world today is not that of your 1950s mother. That was actually the only realistic thing going on with this show. She apologized and moved on and is learning in silence.

R198 So what exactly are you saying? That was confusing.

Victor is a little whore!!!

R198. Some of us had experiences leading up to and after coming out, that were traumatizing, and we did get therapy in many cases, and seeing some of that acted out in this series was definitely triggering. WTF are you to say "move on" and tell us about our "1950's mother." It was the late 1970's for me, and my mother was not Latino. She was of Greek descent. But Whatever. It was not only our mothers. It was the mothers of the guys we dated, or maybe it was another relative.

I had a friend who's mother's sister was a monster. Abusive, cruel, just mean. And she singled him out from the time he was 5 years old.. It affected him well into his 40's. They were Irish. And not all Latinos are like Isabel. In fact in this day in 2022, most aren't. You can attempt to delegitimize our reaction, minimize it, dismiss it, mock it. You can attempt to marginalize and trivialize, but our reactions belong to us. They are part of our life experiences. Whether you chose to recognize them or not doesn't make them any less real to us. You seem very callous.

This was taken at Michael's personal trainer's. He's bulked up. Looks real good.

R202

No! Just no! Tired of the muscle queens. I like them skinny.

I'd hardly call him a muscle queen. He is still slender but has definition now, and yeah, his arms look really good. He looks older, not like, a twink.

His butt is bigger than I thought it would be.

He posted an image of himself and commented on it "Lookin' like a snack." Rofl

A snack, indeed!

His days of playing a high school kid are numbered, in that case.

Victor is going to be the most popular muscle bottom at the bars!

They should have made him bi, with a pretty girl bff who secretly loves him.

Oh, hell yes, R206 ! He has graduated. No more high school roles. Baby boy is looking fine.

I would be surprised if Michael has much of a career post-Victor. Cute, pleasant, not a great actor. He has about two and a half facial expressions. He'll probably always work and make good money, because it seems that's how it is once you get your foot in the door, and star in a series. But like so many of these TV twinks, not an exciting actor and probably no great future.

R210, I'm not so sure. First of all, Michael is smart, and he is really ambitious. He was also recently signed by CAA. The directors of the various episodes and the showrunners really like him. A lot. He projects as an amiable, big hearted, intelligent guy, very cooperative, easy to get along with, and good with other cast members. He networks like a pro, and supports other actors on social media. He makes it a point to be friends with the directors, and the casting people, etc. So he is always going to do well. And the thing is, with so many platforms doing episodic TV and feature films, and the fact he is Latino? Shit. I predict that Michael and Mason Gooding will break out . Mason has a lot more talent and he is older so he is going to go the distance...and he and Michael are BFFs. They look out for one another.

How could you possibly know all that, R211?

When will Season 3 be available?

R213 June 15th on Hulu and Disney+

white gays are so privileged because their liberal parents accept them... they can never understand what it's like to be gay and have real problems.

they're teaching us so much.

R212, I follow both of them on Instagram. It's not rocket science.

Having most of the gay cast get HIV in the final season is bizarre. Is this set in the pre-PREP era or something? This choice is not doing what they think it is in terms of honoring people living with the disease or raising awareness of risk. The murder plot is also out of the blue and tonally off for this show.

Victor's a little skanky whore!

Michael's so cute.

........

He is. Hope his hair doesn't get any longer, tho. I like his earring.

This is the final season. Fine I get it. But why do shows do that? Love Victor has a shortened season of only 8 episodes this year. The first two seasons had ten episodes. Don't tell me they couldn't have extended the story for two more episodes. I feel cheated.

If this leads to more gay shows I'll be happy. It probably be easier to write a show about college aged gays though.

Maybe they are developing a show about college Gays..

This guy seems gayer than a sequined Bob Mackie butt plug!

R224 I think they should. Make like Undressed or Greek (which both had gays) where it's a campy comedy-drama. High school settings are difficult because gay teens even if they are open don't usually date until their college years and up. You'll probably see more teen girls in lesbian relationships since so many claim bisexual. But gay boys have a narrow dating pool especially if they live in suburbia. That's unfortunately why so many are on hookup apps and preyed on by creepy chicken hawks.

He has the most beautiful smile.

At the end of the clip at R220, I just melt.

He seems like a happy kid. I think he's 22?

A Latin twink is the hottest gay accessory this year. Cimino will land a hot producer boyfriend in no time.

He's not a twink. IMO

Cimino is definitely a twink.

And he's only half Latin.

[quote]Cimino was born and raised in Las Vegas, Nevada. His father is of Italian-German ancestry and his mother is of Puerto Rican descent. Cimino faced racism through elementary school, saying children would throw him on the floor and kick him, and claim he ate bugs, though he says those experiences made him more compassionate towards others.

I don't get why he would experience racism. In the 2000s. For looking, at most, Italian. I think he made this up.

I had no clue he was half Italian-German. I figured he was full Latino, or some blend of, as he does look it. So bullying as a kid doesn't seem out of the question.

Saw a picture of him with his father. Daddy is not bad looking either.

Who are we to question whether he was bullied as a kid? And if he was in a school with few minority kids? In las Vegas? Shit. Yeah , he'd get picked on.

R233 Vegas is basically half white half hispanic, so I don't know why Michael would get singled out by white children to bully, but maybe there needs to be more background.

Cimino is usually an Italian surname. It means spice dealer (cumin in Italian is cumino).

Trailer

Damn George looks good. All sad and in love. But clearly Victor wants to come back. And slimy Rahim the Drama Queen inviting himself into Benji's business, and Benji cold as ICE, baby.

What happened to Nick Robinson. He seems poised to hit big, then suddenly faded away.

R238 Last I heard of him was in a show where he plays a sexy student sleeping with his female teacher

( sigh) From the trailer it looks like Victor's going to get a lot of dick, and Benji is going to find himself. But I remain forever a Benji-stan.

Maybe the Becky Albertalli teen boy romcom factory is slowing down, finally.

OK. I have checked. Love, Victor was a hit both Season 1 & Season 2. So shortening it and ending it after 3 seasons seems like it was a producers' decision not Hulu's. I have to say the producers seemed more engaged and enthused for how I Met Your Father than they were for Victor, and maybe they got tired of the Gay Teens in High School genre. Maybe the actors wanted too much money? But the show wasn't cancelled for lack of viewers. So if anyone has more enlightened speculation o knows how things work I'd appreciate your insight.

Maybe they want to end it before the "teens" start to look even older than they already do.

Possibly, but they keep introducing new characters and there have been other high school dramas that made it though 5-6 years, so I was thinking this one was going to be around for 4 years or 5. Ending it after 3 was surprising but what surprised me most is that they cut it to 8 episodes instead of ten. I wonder if the writers had anything to do with it? Do writers even have any clout in a TV series? They seem to be a dime a dozen, easily replaced.

[quote]I just think a lot of mainstream shows are about "straightening" gay lead characters, or characters that are supposed to be seen as sexy or attractive. It's dishonest, in a way. I'm someone who people usally assumed was straight, maybe that's why ironically I notice this trend.

I am not going to read the entire thread just to see if someone already responded. BUT wasn't the main character in Love Simon EXACTLY what you are describing. Simon didn't play any sports. He wasn't a flaming queen either. Or are you specifically talking about a show with a character like this? I think you are jumping the gun. We JUST got over "do all gays have to be like Jack from Will and Grace? We can act straight, be the jock sometimes..." dilemma just maybe five years ago. We are just being shown in the media as possible looking exactly like hetero people just to let the world know we are everywhere. I don't think we are ready to give that up just yet.

R245 Ok, I'm just stating my reaction. Maybe it's not everyone's.

[quote]We JUST got over "do all gays have to be like Jack from Will and Grace? We can act straight, be the jock sometimes..."

Obviously not all gays have to be like Jack, because on the very same show there's Will.

[quote]OK. I have checked. Love, Victor was a hit both Season 1 & Season 2. So shortening it and ending it after 3 seasons seems like it was a producers' decision not Hulu's. I have to say the producers seemed more engaged and enthused for how I Met Your Father than they were for Victor, and maybe they got tired of the Gay Teens in High School genre.

More shows need to end while fans want more, not after grinding a well-liked shows into the dirt.

Shows like Love, Victor really only have about three seasons of worthwhile stories in them. Same with other teen shows like 13 Reasons.

The economics of streaming make it more possible for shows to have a limited run of a few seasons than network broadcast shows. As a matter of fact, the economics of shows makes shorter runs of 3-4 seasons the sweet spot.

Personally, I like the idea of limited run series with a set end point so that stories are better constructed and given a real payoff climax.

I don't mind when a series ends after a small amount of seasons, as long as the writers are aware and are able to write a good ending.

Most teen shows last three to four seasons especially if set in high school. If they do continue them they usually move them to college.

Well yeah they can't stay in high school forver and do you really want to see Victor cruising for rough trade on the streets of Miami where he moves to start his internet porn business to pay for his college education?

Yeah. Yeah I want to see that r250.

[quote]Yeah. Yeah I want to see that [R250].

Yeah, so do I.

Well so do I, actually. Now if I could just get them to hire us to write that.

With Love Victor, even in this shorter final season they have new storylines that could have been developed and the characters given more time. So like, there's a band new lesbian couple formed by the ex girlfriends of two of the male characters. The main character's younger sister starts a new relationship with the BFF of the Main. One character is on a quest to find their mother. Her father has a new wife and new baby. The main character is trying to win back his first love even as his mother tries to hook him up with someone totally new. I mean this is a fucking soap opera. but the point is introducing new storylines in this final shorter season seems stupid and rushed. So the fact that this is the final season is very puzzling to me.

It could pull a One Tree Hill and do a time-skip.

What is Nico Greetham playing on this season?

A guy that Victor's mom is trying to set him up with R256

R257 Ok, thanks!

Nico is some hot guy Victor's mother finds and introduces him to Victor. He goes to their church. He looks like a player in the trailer.. BTW: Indie Wire's review says Victor gets an STD in Season 3. From fucking around, while Benji is at rehab or something. Poor Benji! They've turned his fine ass into some sad emotional cripple. Now I would much rather have seen the older more experienced Benji getting it on with Nico.

Too late to do a good HIV storyline. Probably just herpes.

So does Victor ironically get the STD from "nice church boy, Mom's choice" Nico G?

I was think crabs. Fucking outdoors will do that. It would be kind of funny and still get the point across. I can't imagine Victor not using a condom. But yeah, herpes. LOL!

Are crabs (or lice) considered STDs? Or just parasites? That might help narrow it down if we knew they're calling it an STD.

Yes, pubic lice is considered an STD.

Ok but how are parasites a "disease"?

[R26] I don't know where you live but here in LA almost every 18 year old kid looks/dresses like Michael. That's what I like about living here. The lines have been "blurred" for awhile now.

R266 I didn't think R26 was talking about how Michael looks or dresses - what's unusual about it? Maybe I'm wrong but I took it to mean he comes across as fem/gay in mannerisms or behavior.

I wonder if he's Bi? All the pics he posts on IG are mostly with guys. Out, Gay guys. He posts some with girls he has worked with in Senior Year. But at least one of them is Lesbian. Oh and he has at least four dogs. Pit bulls, and a cat he loves to cuddle.

Does it seem like all these box-checking "wokertainment" shows are drawing audiences too small to be worth the bother?

"Pose", for all the noise it generated was only 25 episodes, and even by then had completely worn out its welcome and our last nerve!

The flavor of the month appears to be Heartstopper which just got renewed for two more season, and honestly it is so childish, while I was glad to see a show about coming out aimed at junior high and high schoolers, basically the demo would be 13 -16, I don't see what the excitement was. There is only one actor that's appealing to older kids, and he's the villain. The leads are like, baby gaylings.

I like Love, Victor because the guys are genuinely attractive and in real life they're over 21 and I can crush on them. Mason, George, Anthony Keyvan and Michael are all hot. So is Julia Louis Dreyfus's kid, Charlie Hall.

This always makes me giggle.

He's so tall compared to her. Didn't he play basketball at university or something?

R271 Well her husband is 6'3"

Now that Indie Wire is reporting Victor contacts an STD in Season 3, the Reddit loons are insisting that he doesn't get it from hooking up with Nico Greetham, but maybe thru random hook ups. Why? Because they insist Victor won't have sex with Nico. He's too conscience stricken and missing Benji, the guy who took his virginity. These are the same people who felt there was "too much sex" in Season 2, and others who said Victor and Benji were "making out" but never had sex. Sweet Jesus!

Why do we always have to get reports on what people on other threads think - and they're always crazies, loons and fraus, so why do you listen to them? If I want to know what they think I can go to Reddit myself.

Michael said there's a LOT more sex in Season 3.

This show shouldn’t have been canceled. I think they’ve made a mistake.

I agee, R 276. They keep shoe honing new chaactes into the show and playing musical chais with elationships, so they could have kept it going fo anothe yea o two. I was hoping for 4- 5 years after Season 1. I really enjoyed it. Then Season 2 was great until the middle when it went off the rails because the writers felt like they needed more drama. They actually said, happy love stories weren't interesting.

I hate my phone. They kept shoe horning new characters into the show and playing musical chairs with relationships, so they could have kept it going for anothe year or two. I was hoping for 4-5 years after I saw Season 1. I really enjoyed it. Then Season 2 was good for maybe the first 5 episodes and went off the rails because the writers obviously felt they needed more drama. They actually said happy love stories weren't interesting.

The Outfest is this weekend and they'll do a live panel on Saturday along with the first episode from Season 3. I love this picture.

Will we be able to see this in Flawduh?

YEah you will, if you have Hulu. Or Disney +

R279 It's a nice picture, but they look 30.

R280 No . Gov DeSantis has blocked the streaming of Love Victor. It is a violation of Florida Law. If you have a ham radio set you can hear it on Voice Of America.

Unfotunately.... I love the picture but George will be 25 this year, Michael will be 23 and Mason Gooding, not pictured, will be 28. So unless they do a time jump and have all these people finishing college and starting careers, in a Season 4, they had to end with Season 3. Everyone is aging out.

......

Michael’s back looks delectable, not to mention the treasure at the bottom. Thanks R285.

I follow him on Instagram and he has been working out, bulking up weight training etc, to get ready for this season. If you look at pictures of him from Season1 and then Season 2, you can see he's bulked up in Season 2, and this season even more.

R287 I follow him on Instagram and he has been working out, bulking up weight training etc, to get ready for this season. If you look at pictures of him from Season1 and then Season 2, you can see he's bulked up in Season 2, and this season even more.

Why? Is he playing a pro boxer this season? Why does he need to bulk up "to get ready for this season"?

No, R288, I think in Season 1 he was extremely slender and looked young. His character turned 16 in Season 1. But in Season 2 he seemed a bit bigger, and this season he was working out. Not super muscular, but he has definition. Looks real good. He also said there was going to be more sex in Season 3. So maybe he didn't like how he looked in Season 2 with his shirt off.

R289 Why wouldn't he look young, though, he's still in his teens?

R275 Great!😀🥳

Exactly R270.

Heartstopper is far too neutered for me, I agree as well. Teen boys are horny! Be realistic.

I thought the same about the Heartstopper graphics novels -- they are making out all the time and making out leads to erections which leads to something.... anything! But not in their chaste little chaste world.

It sucked glad it’s over

I can think of at least two scenes in Season 2 of LV when they were kissing and Geoge/Benji's hands went for the gold. Did not waste time. IMO they defintely acted like normal horny teenagers. Especially in the 16-17 yr old range. And they had chemistry. Even when they weren't being sexual they were sexual.

As a teenager, I was pretty good looking and had a lot of attention, but I was still awkward, inhibited, shy, and nervous about intimacy. Sometimes kissing was just kissing. Not every kid at 16 is ready to jump into bed. I think TV is very unrealistic in that regard and sets kids up for letdowns with all the unreal expectations.

I don't know many 16-18 year olds they aren't willing to get below the belt with the person they are dating r297. When I was in high school it was always the guy that was willing but had to wait til the girl gave it the okay.

With two gay guys, can't really see the heart stopper scenario of let's just kiss and hold hands forever. Seems neutered rather than being real people.

Who's talking about jumping in bed. I'm talking about your dick getting hard. Jacking off together or jacking each other off and escalating to blow jobs would be the natural progression. I remember in Episode 4 of Season 2, Victor was really anxious about fucking. He really froze up at the prospect of going all the way, by the end of the episode they did the "I love you" thing and Victor topped Benji.

AND then Benji topped Victor (an even bigger step for Victor who was a bottom virgin)!

R300 I don't remember that, was it in the same episode?

Not same episode. Victor's mom walked in when Victor was bottomimg.

Brief scene at the end of Episode 7 until Mama came in, and then the more complete scene at the beginning of episode 8...until Mama came in. God I hated her in Episode 8 almost as much as I hated her in Episode 1. In 8, Benji and Victor undressed one another and got busy. It was beautiful!. No love talk, just sex. The look on Victor's face as he wrapped his arms around Benji is unforgettable. Bliss. And the fulll shot that we and Mama saw Victor had his knees in just the right position!

Here you go.

R298 I wasn't really talking about Heartstopper. Yeah that's completely unrealistic.

Victor is a dirty slut!

Why R306? Since Simon and his love live together in NYC now, safe to assume they're sexually active also (although we are not privy to it). Simon and Victor are one for one at the moment👍

R307..... it was a joke.

OK R308😀

For $20 you can see them all live, in peson at Outfest today in L.A. They'll be doing an outfont with a sneak showing of Episode 1 of Season 3, then answering questions. Both Geoge and Michael with a few other cast members and showunners. I'd like to go just to see if They look as good in person. But I don't live on that coast.

R310 What's an outfont? I imagine it would be something in cursive, with a lot of curlicues.

So Outfest is having their Out Fronts this weekend, and they apparently screened the first episode of LV, and then had the actors come on for a Q & A and Michael couldn't get there so he was on Video Zoom or Whatever. And he blew the ending to the whole series. Spoiler. I guess he didn't care since this is the end. George was there and he looked delcious.

[quote] And he blew the ending to the whole series. Spoiler. I guess he didn't care since this is the end.

Don't the viewers care?

So what’s the ending?

Hah!

If the star of the show revealed the ending, why can't someone here reveal it?

Being cisgendered (ugh) males, they are banned from leading this year's pride march.

So what’s the ending?

I think Michael spoiled that Victor and Benji will end up together? Which duh, of course they are going to get back together before the show ends.

2 more days!

When will Michael Cimino finally come out?

I guess I am a loser of a fanboy because only just yesterday I found out that George is English.

Cimino was on Kelly & Ryan the other day. I think Ry Ry creamed his jeans.

Michael is wearing earrings and longer hair. I also saw a video of him with George doing an interview on You Tube, and George seems stoned. I love him. The interviewer asks Michael some random, " What would you have liked to see happen at the end?," And Michael said something like "Well you don't need someone else to complete you. They can be part of your journey..." blah blah blah, and George gave him this slow smile, and said, "Aww, you're breaking my heart. They'll be together forever! ." So the interviewer asked George, and he said, "Well maybe another dance number?" I think they're friends in real life, at least they have both said so, and they seem to know just how to mess with one another, but I gotta say, they make a great couple. The casting people did a great job, no? What ever. Victor get an STD I think from going out with Nico Greetham. In fact, Victor gets his own Grindr account.

On set...

the lads!

This is Season 3. I cannot wait!

I love this guy who interviews them. He crushes SO hard. LAst year he was all over George, but this year he made Michael blush.

They're both very average, though cute and likable.

Watched the fist episode. I'm loving it.

Actually, there was no fist in the first episode. But I still loved it.

Victor is such a slut

Nico was the slut, but Victor sure went for it! I really enjoyed the entire season. It went fast too. Eight short episodes. I binged it and it almost felt like a feature length movie with a lot of commercials. I thought it was pretty honest, too for a TV series. I've known guys like Nick, just not as hot. They sort of redeemed ahim, too. I like him.

That was bullshit. The season was so short, it’s an insult to fans. It really needed more episodes.

I wanted to see more of Rahim and Connor. Rahim was the most interesting character. Also Liam and Nick. We really didn’t get to see enough of Liam.

When Rahim told those homophobes off, while boring Victor just stood there, best part of the season.

People finished already, you guys must not have jobs.

R336

It only takes less than 4 hours to finish the season. Ridiculously short.

Rahim really is a lot more interesting than Victor and not just cause he is more flamboyant. I liked the backstory scenes for Benji but those should've probably happened in season 2.

The ending was just too predictable.

R339 it really was as "cookie cutter" of an ending as they could make it. But that's the kind of show it is. I knew it would be quite predictable.

Loved it! It was a pretty perfect conclusion for the series. Sure, it had a saccharine Hollywood ending but the whole series has always been very Hollywood and, heck, why not a cheesy happy ending for once?

I thought that all the gay characters were fun this season. Rahim became much more than an obstacle for Victor and Benji (like in Season 2), and the scene with him dressing down the homophobes was fun. I also liked him together with Connor. Nick actually turned out to be quite sweet in the end.

I’ve never followed the actors from this show. But stumbled on Michaels Instagram. Is he out already or is his latest post him coming out? Or am I just misreading?

No where in that rambling post does he say likes cock r342.

I never knew how to accept myself or be brave. & there were so many themes happening in Victors life at the same time as mine.

Given that the majority of his storyline is a coming out & accepting yourself one, are those comments not a bit suggestive of something?

Michael is definitely an ally, but he is straight. He has a shit ton of Gay friends he is genuinely close to, but he is not Gay. The same for George. Very close friends who are Gay and he is an ally, but he is straight.

My gay niece recommended it. Confess that I eye rolled the first couple of episodes but it grew on me. Michael Cimino reminds me for my first boy crush in school. He's adorable. It's just a Dawson's Creek redux. Think in these perilous times for LGBT youth it may help some gayling in Bumfuck red state to feel less suicidal. Even us jaded eldergays can admit that's a good thing.

I mean it's basically a given that a twenty something living in the big city (and especially working in the entertainment industry) is going to be an "ally". I means it's 2022, that's a low bar. Can't give out brownie points for that like you did back in the day when it wasn't so easy.

I need Victor in me badly.

There aren't any young gay actors? Is that why two straight actors had to play the leads?

I'm fine with adult gay roles being played primarily by gay actors, but there should be some leeway when it comes to younger roles. Not everyone is out at that age and you can't really ask that at an audition. You can, however, put out an informal casting call for out gay actors, like RTD did for It's a Sin. But that's a new practice that's not widespread yet.

In any case, this is an ongoing discussion in the Tom Hanks thread.

R345 As young Hollywood actors they are both bisexual by default. But you keep on dreaming hon.

He talks about the show. Twinkalicious.

Requesting donation to GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network). Awwww!

^ Much more appealing than rat boy Chalamet.

I just speed watched and binged all three seasons. It was an inoffensive and pleasant show.

Benji looks much better with finger combed hair, not the helmet comb-back they gave him the final episodes.

[quote]Not everyone is out at that age and you can't really ask that at an audition

I'm not sure what age you think "everyone" is out at. Also one would think the producers could ask known young gay actors to audition, or in some cases, just cast them.

[quote]In any case, this is an ongoing discussion in the Tom Hanks thread.

Thanks, but I'd like to stay on this thread. I was interested in discussing this in relation to Love, Victor.

R345, I really don’t care. Im a married lesbian 😂 I’ve only watched season one, wasn’t the bothered really but his latest post came up on my Insta recommendations so I just wondered. Fair enough if he’s straight, just thought his comments were a bit suggestive.

*R351 even

The black guy, Andrew?, is hella sexy.

Mason Gooding needs to do an indie film with full frontal

Andrew had some funny moments. Loved when he popped out of the chair after eavesdropping on Victor & Rahim. Also, high Andrew was way more convincing than high Victor.

R349, so you are advocating for people disclosing their sexuality every time they play a role? Isn't that discrimination?

I don’t get why a show on one streaming platform will reference a show on a competitive streaming platform? Just use one of your own shows weirdo.

Is Victor on Prep?

There’s a cute TikTok on Nico’s page of him and Michael dancing, and Nico has ass for day.

r356 Gosh, you're tiresome. Create a new thread to discuss that aspect of the show then, stop bumming everyone out in this one.

It was a juicy season and as good as the previous two. A wholesome show that I might rewatch in the future. It really is a time capsule in a way since it in no way deals with gender issues, so it would definitely have looked different if it started airing today.

Rahim got the best storylines and like someone else mentioned, I'm glad he wasn't just there as a foil to the main guys, but had his own life this season. Connor is such a cutie, we needed two more episodes showing us their great chemistry together!

So glad they didn't make Felix' mom relapse, that would have been such a trope and that boy's been through enough already.

This show did the thing I can't stand the most.

When Victor's parents set him up with the son of the new friends from church, the show acknowledged (thankfully) that just because they're both gay doesn't mean that they're a good match. You'd never assume that just because two people are straight that you should set them up. That was a good setup and the blond guy, Nick, was hot, so all good.

However, when Nick decides he wants to date, he then hooks up with that obnoxious dork. Here's where I have a problem. There is NO way a dork like that would snag someone as hot as Nick. Nick had many hot guys he was hooking up with, so it's not like he was desperate to find someone. I could see if he was inexperienced and the whole gay thing was new. But, the boy has already been around the block, several times. If he wanted to date someone and get serious, he'd find someone a LOT hotter and more importantly way less obnoxious.

R366 "Gosh, you're tiresome" - what are you, Rita Johnson in The Major And The Minor? Only on DL would you get to hear someone say gosh and tiresome in a sentence in 2022 and it's not meant as parody.

R368, you may not agree personally, but Victor was firmly established as hot jock in season 1 and 2. All the gay boys kinda fall for him, so it's not surprising that Nick would do so as well.

Also, Nick wasn't that hot. The actor looked too old already (and will look even older soon). Besides, Victor probably already had the approval of Nick's parents (since they were in on the blind date as well), and Nick and Victor share similar interests (e.g., church), so it makes sense.

R368, in what universe is Nick hot??

Look. I knew a few Nicks. One in paticular liked the guys he could "break in." And honestly, Victor blew him off. It pobably didn't happen often. So he decided to come with the flowers and the dinner date. It was probably an ego thing. Plus he found Victor attactive, enthusiastic, willing. Shit, if a supermarket bouquet and a dinner date gets him in the back seat, great. I think Nick wanted to try to be less of a whore. But the thing about guys like Nick, is they can't be with just one guy. They get restless. He would eventuallly cheat. So he is fine as long as you know that, and it also gives you permission not to be monogamous. Nick was sort of honest. At lleast he told Victor he was seeing othe guys and peferred casual hook ups. Look, at 17 you got guys like Nick, guys like Rahim, and guys like Victor. Whatever.

[quote]you may not agree personally, but Victor was firmly established as hot jock in season 1 and 2. All the gay boys kinda fall for him, so it's not surprising that Nick would do so as well.

No, I'm fine with his hooking up with Victor. Victor is cute.

It's the guy that he and Felix had to do the project with. After the award speech, Nick and Victor broke up. As Nick was walking away, there was a setup between Nick and the dork. Later, they were clearly supposed to be into each other and chatting.

Also, Nick is clearly hot.

[quote]in what universe is Nick hot??

Maybe check out Nico's page on LPSG, he's not everyone's idea of hot (apparently) but he is some people's.

Nico/Nick is totally hot.

This was a pleasant little show. I’ll miss it.

Do we think Michael will have a career? He’s sure pretty.

Nico Greetham has a very hot body of course, but if we are judging on the natural beauty in his face he is an average guy. But those abs make them one of the hot guys at any gay party.

He does look older though, that his character is supposed to be 17 was laughable.

Still I am mainly happy that they brought in a gay actor. This cast has always been awkwardly very straight which isn't the best look.

OK, While I love the characters, and the actors who created them, I thought Season 3 was a shit mess. This article in Collider really sums up everything wong with the Series. And I happen to agree with it.

I wouldn't mind seeing another season named Love, XYZ with Victor taking the Simon role for another younger student a few years later when Victor is in college. It would also provide an epilogue for Benji/Victor as Love, Victor provided for Simon and his bf.

r346 while portraing race through a lens of antiquated steretoypes...

it also doesn't help that the runners, crew and cast are so obnoxiously smug and pretentious, acting as if this is the greatest achievement of all time and will go down in the annuals lgbt entertainment history... as the first, the first of many. . . the fans are even worse on that front.

despite knowing otherwise I'm inclined to think this thread has been invaded by a horde of tween milksops.

[quote]Still I am mainly happy that they brought in a gay actor

R376 Who do you mean?

For some reason I thought Nico Greetham was openly gay r380, but apparently that is not true as a quick Google showed me.

Rahim and Liam were the only ones actually like the gay boys I knew of in school.

THee was a geat scene in LV, Season 3, where Victor and Nick, and Rahim and his new boyfriend went out to dinner. Rahim had this bright blue, flashy jacket on, and while they were in the restauant he noticed two gross looking straight guys gossiping about them and laughing. Clealy not Gay friendly. After dinner, Rahim and Victor walked out first, and the two nasties were hanging aound making comments. So Rahim confronted them and insulted them beautifully and told them off. Victor was like a deer in headlights. Clueless. Then Nick and Rahim's boyfriend joined them, asking what's going on here, is there a problem, and the four Gays sort of stood there ready to get into it. So the two Nasties, suddenly out numbered, left claiming it "wasn't worth it" to fight the Gays. After the incident, Rahim gave Victor a lesson. He said Victor had the option of being Gay when he chose to, but Rahim got picked on and fought that shit all the time. For him it wasn't a choice. He was pointing out that staight acting Gays were not noticed or bothered nealry as much as Gays like him. He said being "out and proud" wasn't really a choice fo him. It was a really good moment.

Greetham is Gay.

^^^Ryan, just because he did things with you doesn’t make it true.

R383

Yep, that was my favorite moment of the season and speaks to society. Even on this forum gay guys like Rahim get slammed over the straight acting gay guys.

This season had too little Charlie Hall!

I thought Rahim was the star of season 3. Everyone else was rather boring.

The guy who played Benji’s dad should have played Nick’s dad, those two look stunning a like and could play father and son or clone and DNA provider in a future project.

There's pictures of Nico pre-fame on LPSG. Boy is FLAMING

I'm surprised none of the main cast has come out during the run of the show.

What secondary cast members came out? I’m so hoping Charlie Hall!

It’s Hollywood. Their managers (or whatever) are probably making them stay in the closet. Not much has changed.

A couple years ago Just Jared said Nico was dating a female cast member from The Prom.

Nico posted a lot about it on his Instagram

R394

I don’t trust any Hollywood relationship.

R396 I don't blame you. Just saying it's not like he's ever said he's gay or bi, publicly, or been known to be with a guy.

I'm surprised at least that Anthony Keyvan isn't out. They did have Joshua Colley in a few episodes who is one of those "unsure, I don't like labels" guys.

R398

I’m not surprised at all. Mangers/agents make them stay in the closet. Garrett Clayton already spilled the tea after coming out some years ago, and it clearly hasn’t changed.

R399 True. Colton Haynes has been saying the same thing

Yeah I am not sure who Keyvan thinks he is fooling by not being out.

I hope Michael plays another gay role in the future.

I would love to see these two play boyfriends.

I like George Sear (Benji).

He reminds me of Michael Pitt.

A rumor claims that Nico Greetham is bisexual.

That isn't NIco, is it?

Looks like Nico is in NYC with Victor. Nico is friends with Kai Gerber, Cindy Crawford's daughter and she is going to be in some Apple TV series with Laura Dern. Rumor is that Michael also got a part in it. He is an ace when it comes to networking. And he has an agent, CAA so they'll keep him busy. But Michael is always trading up with friends. He is very ambitious. He is generous and kind and supportive with a wide circle of people. Always willing to do a favor. But there are certain people like Mason Gooding jr. who he is really close to and he is protective of those relationships. It looks like he and Nico have become friends. Joshua robert Colley is close to Michael too and he is a good friend of Nico's. All you have to do is follow them on Instagram and over time you can connect the dots. I think Nico is sexually fluid and leaning Gay. At the very least.

Anyway, that's still not Nico in the story. It's Travis Jasckson. And Kaia Gerber.

*Jackson

Michael and Miles should play lovers

R403

They are so cute together.

The guy who plays Andrew is so fucking hot. I’m sure he has a huge dong and can fuck you silly. He drips sex appeal.

Michael Cimino is such bf material. He is so cute with a nice Miles Heizer slightly muscular twink body.

R408, Nico is shooting the video.

R413 Yeah I know but the headline is very misleading.

Michael and George have great chemistry, but I fear George won't do as well careerwise as Michael will. Michael has hustle. He works at it. Networks, etc. He has CAA out here and he seems like he will push them. George seems like a low key depressive pothead who doesn't have much presence or social media. If you find him it's because he is on someone else's feed. I think the two break outs will be Mason Gooding and Michael Cimino. Not saying eveyone else will disappear. They won't. But those two are the biggest new thing to happen as a result of this. Mason is also in Scream.

Mason is absolutely beautiful.

Mason is Cuba Gooding Jr's son, so he has a bit of a cushion in terms of connections.

Mason did a lot with a very small role in the scheme of things. His character has personality and depth. I loved Andrew the jock. And yes, Mason is hot. In season 3 his job was to support Mia, his girlfriend, who was going though a lot of shit. He had some scenes where he really stepped up. Mia's boyfriend Andrew drives her to see the mother who deserted her five years ago when she was 11 - 12 ys old. Her mothe is a successful artist. She shows at galleries all over the world. So Mia and her mother meet up at a house party and Mama gives her hugs and gushes all over her and through all the bullshit, Andrew is sitting on the sofa next to Mia,, watching this performance and seething. He interjects some comments enough to let Mama know he sees through her. She is very selfish. And very superficial. It was a good scene and Mason and Rachel Hilson who played Mia did a great job. Kind of sad too.

[quote]And very superficial. It was a good scene and Mason and Rachel Hilson who played Mia did a great job. Kind of sad too.

I like the actress who played Mia, Rachel Hilson. I haven't seen her in any interviews, so have no opinion on whether she's insufferable.

But, I can see her as being the cost effective option for Amandla Stenberg (Rue from Hunger Games - who is insufferable) or Yara Shahidi (the daughter from Blackish who got her own spinoff).

Benji was an asshole this season, just like last season. Victor was too good for that asshole. He shouldn't even be in a relationship. He should focus on fixing himself first, not bringing an innocent like Victor into his mess. Victor had more chemistry with Nick and it was a much healthier relationship as well (after they got past the hook-up phase that is).

R420

I agree. I wish he ended up with Nick, but the crazy Venji stans would rage. They’re still attacking Rahim.

I liked the Venji outcome, but the final season was an anti-climax. Overall, just meh.

There's something disconcerting/disjointed in having an entire season of content of these shows drop at once and then having to wait another year+ to see the next season.

Rushed and weak ending.

And did something happen between Michael Cimino and the actress playing Mia? They had so very few scenes together this season, and in the scenes they did share, Mia came across as still being pissed off. Thrvthing about her being inspired by his speech rang especially false.

Is a cameo as gay supportive PFLAG mom the best Nia Vardalos can get these days?

Thrvthing?

Sorry! Meant to type “The thing…”

I do not get the love for the Benji character at all. He’s my least favorite character on the show…I even liked the terrible little brother better.

Just finished the final season, and it was quite good and loved it overall, loved the addition of "let's keep it casual" Nick and not making him a villain by giving Victor an STI.

All storylines neatly tied together in a feel-good kind of way.

As a self-proclaimed eldergay, I am happy and amazed how far gay themed entertainment has come. When I was a teen, the best I could hope for was a token gay BFF as sidekick who maybe gets a subplot per season, or someone like Kerr Smith on Dawson's Creek. Nowadays, I'm sort of struggling to keep up with all the wonderful worldwide entertainment with gay characters in the main and regular cast.

I still can't believe they chickened out on Victor getting an STD and ended up making it poison ivy.

Rachel Hilson is going to be successful in her career. She is very well liked by her colleagues and the casting people, the producers, directors, etc. She was in This is Us, and a few other things.

Mason Gooding has a hot bod and a great resume

Michael does not look good with longer hair.

[quote]I still can't believe they chickened out on Victor getting an STD and ended up making it poison ivy.

To be honest, I had already rolled my eyes about the fuck buddy/STD cliché, so when the poison ivy twist was revealed, I was pleasantly surprised.

R430 - she’s been cast in the Red White & Royal Blue movie as well I noticed. That’ll do her well I’m sure. It’s the kinda show that’ll have a fanbase already there who will love it & the actors regardless.

I thought she was really good in This Is Us. She really studied older Beth!

I enjoyed the first two seasons, but Season 3 was disappointing. The relationship plots seemed superficial and unbelievable. The whole thing felt thrown together and cliched. It lacked the charm of the first two seasons.

They wrote themselves into a corner and with it being a shortened final season they had to work with what they had.

I think Cimino is cute in some still pictures and when he's just staring into space on film, but when he starts to talk/act he loses me. He's really not very masculine or manly, is he? It's like he's 14.

Cimino reminds me of a little attention seeking puppy. Endearing and annoying. And yes. He acts much younger than his age. He tries too had. Now he is a intelligent, aticulate young man, but he seems to be almost playing a role when he goes on TikTok or Instagram. He's been recording original music, some of it with Ray Goren and Finn Matthews.Finn is very talented. I'd be curious to see what others might think of it. I found it uneven. Some of the stuff was ridiculous and a couple were pretty good. You can tell Bruno Mars and Justin Beiber are some of his favorites.

He's relentlessly cheerful. I hate that.

That Victor friend-zones Rahim in favor of guys like Benji and Nick also I thought was very honest writing speaking to how society works r386. You see Victor chasing after masculine white guys but deciding that the more effeminate Rahim should just be a friend.

In season 2, I was firmly siding with Benji because I felt that Rahim was intentionally trying to steal Victor. In season 3, Rahim is presented much more sympathetically, whereas Benji is shown to be a total mess. To be honest, having worked with addicts, Victor should have chosen anyone but Benji. That boy is so fucked-up, he will crash so hard at some point and will draw Victor into the whole mess as well. Presenting a relationship with teenage alcoholic as the 'end game' is also quite fucked-up, if you think about it.

In season 2, I was firmly siding with Benji because I felt that Rahim was intentionally trying to steal Victor. In season 3, Rahim is presented much more sympathetically, whereas Benji is shown to be a total mess. To be honest, having worked with addicts, Victor should have chosen anyone but Benji. That boy is so fucked-up, he will crash so hard at some point and will draw Victor into the whole mess as well. Presenting a relationship with teenage alcoholic as the 'end game' is also quite fucked-up, if you think about it.

Benji is just a boring character, and I don't know how much of that is the writing and how much of that is George Sears performance r427. I do feel bad for George that his main character trait is this is an highschooler who is a recovering alcoholic.

But both Nick and Rahim were more dynamics characters.

Sorry, for the double post... DL is erratic again today.

Actor playing Rahim has an incredible ass, it has to be said.

On another shallow note, Benji's hair was so much better in the previous seasons. This dark Clairol look isn't that great.

[quote]Presenting a relationship with teenage alcoholic as the 'end game' is also quite fucked-up, if you think about it.

I mean this show is obsessed with framing high school relationships as "end-game". Victors parents are highschool sweethearts and Victor/Benji, Mia/Andrew and even Lake/Lucy have to presented as true love that God forbid we could ever end up breaking up once highschool is over. Our entire lives need to revolve around our relationship. I mean I laughed a Lake presenting her mom's second house to a girl she has been dating a couple months? This shows messaging on highschool relationships is pretty crazy.

That is crazy.

Everyone knows your junior high romance is end game!

R446 well it’s not called Casual Hookup, Victor, though they did try that this season.

Victor and Benji will most likely break up before they go to college.

Victor is giving me Carrie Bradshaw vibes. iykyk

No, R449, Victor is a Rescuer. I have a feeling he will optimistically try to support Benij as Benji "works" on himself. The first few times Benji slips up, he will be 100 % there. But as time passes, it will exhaust him. I hate to say this, but the Benji character, as drawn by these writers, and presented by these showrunners, is a candidate for Suicide. He aleady tried once. That car accident.

Victor is going to think he can "fix" Benji. He'll try to figure out what he can do to make sure Benji doesn't slip up. In a way he might become like a parental figure to Benji. I'm thinking they will be on and off all through college and finally about 5-6 years from now, either Victor will be exhausted, and break up, or Benji will end things, have another accident. He will leave a beautiful note, though. George Sear did a damned good job with his speech at the AA meeting. It made me verklempt.

In general, these writers really did saddle the cast with some heavy shit. Felix was living in disgusting conditions with a mentally ill woman who couldn't even keep a job. He has to borrow money from Victor's sister from her job at the Pretzel joint at the Mall to keep from being evicted. Mia and Andew were pactically raising themselves, clinging to one another. Felix's girlfriend ends up trying to help him by telling her mother, and Child Welfare steps in, and Mama gets committed. So they break up.

The "ideal" intact family, Isabel and Armando are separated.She is a cheater who has an affair with his boss. He explodes, beats the guy up, and relocates his family to Atlanta and a new job.Then they get back together, and he has another explosion about Gay slurs against his son, and he "quits" the job, all in a year's time. So IMO this was a fucking soap opera, even had those short cliffhanger episodes like a soap. I wonder if they could have done better by making it an adult show. It was 13 Reasons Why Lite. Except no one died.

How many cans of hair spray were killed keeping Benji's hair in place? That is one awful looking 'do.

I know no one will probably be able to definitively answer this, but I'm still asking: Why are there suddenly so many actors on teen oriented shows who are English. playing American? Or Australian, playing American? There are several on Stranger Things, for ex. There was the lead girl on the first two seasons of 13 Reasons Why. A few years ago thgere was Daniel Sharman on Teen Wolf. And there's George Sear on this show. There must be a lot of young American actors looking for work, who don't have to put on fake accents. I'm not criticizing, it just seems like a weird trend.

R453, they're probably cheaper. But maybe they're also better educated with regard to acting (coming from a country with a more traditional theater culture, dialects being important)? Or maybe they sound more convincing in castings (since British English tends to sound more impressive to American ears)? Maybe they're more likely to suck cock for a role?

I mean there is a ton of Brit/Aussie actors trying to break into the entertainment industry and often times casting directors will end up choosing them for whatever reason.

That's always been the case, a Brit played southern belle Scarlet O'hara in Gone with the Wind.

Credit where due, George's American accent was unusually seamless. Though there is no way he looked like a high school senior, particularly after his floppy hair phase.

I had NO idea George was British (I’m British)!

I’ve never understood why they make Matthew MacFadyen play American in Succession. It wouldn’t change the story at all if he was British.. and his accent is very questionable at times! Great actor though!

George looked more like a high schooler than Nico did at least. Nico Greetham definitely looks like the 27 year old man he is.

Trying to pair him up with the new character felt wrong on so many levels. One there is no way a guy like Nick would chase after Liam, and two Nick practically looks like he could be his father.

Liam looked like a freshman, even though the actor is 20, which made it weird for a Junior/senior to start dating him.

[quote]Nick and not making him a villain by giving Victor an STI.

I dislike the implication that if Victor did get an STI from Nick that makes him a villain r428. Victor was a consenting participant in hooking up with Nick, including after Nick made it clear he was banging guys other than Victor.

Nick never did anything wrong there.

The ending very well may have been the fastest tying of a shiny bow on things in history! All is well in the word in 120 seconds!

[quote] One there is no way a guy like Nick would chase after Liam

Your prejudice is showing. You don't know what kind of guys Nick would or would not be attracted to.

Is it me or did the Rahim actor tone down the flamboyance in S3?

Maybe he was going for a Jackie Kennedy bouffant, R452.

I love Benji, but I agree, that hair was awful. Maybe George just needed a haircut.

Just being realistic r462. I'm a gay men who has spent my life around gay men and I know what you normally see.

Maybe Nick just recognized a bottom who needed breaking in, R465. ;-)

[quote] I dislike the implication that if Victor did get an STI from Nick that makes him a villain [R428].

On a teen drama show? Uh, yeah. He'd totally be the whore of Babylon villain for giving the lead an STI. Whether the sex was consensual or not, does not matter. The blame will be on the one who spreads the STI way more than on the one who receives it.

Michael didn’t even have a shirtless scene this season.. What were they thinking?

R468 Too many tattoos for the makeup people to cover up now.

R376, this Nico person you are talking about is not gay, so your claim is 'laughable' — as you put it.

Also, to assume you know the sexuality of any of the actors in the series just because you've seen them onscreen and/or accept their claims in the media is also 'laughable'

R404, Yes, a vanilla pedestrian version of Michael Pitt

R415. Mason is also Cuba Gooding Jr's spawn, which is I think one of the reasons he wouldn't disappear into the ether.

Michael Cimino needs to brush up on his acting skills if he wants his career to go any further, a good agent and a pretty face are not enough

R429, it would have looked a bit homophobic, in line with the idea that gay sex is wrong and invariably leads to AIDS, STDs etc...

R441, yeah, but he's white, which in the minds of a lot of the Venji fans it seems to trump everything

R453 Casting directors are enamored by their fancy accents? There is no other explanation, their acting is just as shitty as American actors. Brit shows do not cast American actors to play Brits though, enough is enough.

I think Victor should transfer for the rest of his high school years to either the Euphoria school or be an international student at the Elite school.

R475 I have friends in casting and production who strongly imply that young Brits, Irish, Aussies etc are willing to work comparatively cheaply for a chance to break into the American market -- becoming known in the States is unsurprisingly seen as the Golden Key to fame and fortune. So economics may be a factor.

[quote] I have friends in casting and production who strongly imply that young Brits, Irish, Aussies etc are willing to work comparatively cheaply for a chance to break into the American market.

Talent agencies negotiate salaries and get a cut from said salary. Foreign actors don't just show up on auditions and offer that they'd work for less money.

Foreign actors need representation just like any local actor to be allowed to audition.

Why didn’t Nick Robinson make a cameo this season?

In terms of storyline they wanted to show that Victor no longer needed Simon for validation.

I noticed that Nick was no longer listed as a producer for a season 3.

Did Nick even have a producer credit this season?

I like Nick Robinson. I thought he would have a much bigger career. He seemed to be riding high with Jurassic World, but seems to have fizzled.

I'm surprised Native Son didn't get more press. It must have been a horrible adaptation since Richard Wright and Native Son were such big deals. Wright is on the reading lists of most 20th century American Lit college courses.

I thought any foreign actor needs a work visa and the Production company has to secure that. It's not cheap. Now I'd imagine if you're a big star you may have status or be a dual resident or WTF ever. Now from what I gather, Sear has been living in L.A. since 2018. He got this job in 2019. So I'm thinking he had to have a work visa.

I thought the final season was awful? This includes the insufferable Benji. ughh!

The actor playing Victor’s dad pings for me.

R470 Nico Greetham Is very very gay in real life…

Was Nico Greetham’s lower jaw swollen after the awards ceremony on the finale? It looked weird…no one has literally no lower lip, right?

Strangely enough, it reminded me of the final episode of Season 1, where Lukas Gage’s face looked weirdly bloated. Or maybe was just fat at that time.

Botox?

I Don't see George Sear having a lot of success as an actor. He's a decent actor, but he definitely is no better than a C+. Second , he is short. Third he will be 25 this year and he looks like a 18 yr old. In the same way that GAY Nico Greetham looks his age, 27, George looks young. Now IMO he has a beautiful face. But it is decidedly "pretty." Almost too pretty, and thus limiting. It must take a lot of work for a director to get a performance out of him. Finally he doesn't seem to know how to hustle and network. He has almost no presence on social media besides "liking" other people's stuff. I think, after watching his interviews, he is very self conscious and maybe painfully shy. Not as relaxed or comfortable as Michael. So he is limited in his options. He has said he writes and wants to direct. So maybe that's where he ends up.

The hair color and styles for Benji and Nick were atrocious.

Michael always has that twinkle in his eyes and has great lips and teeth.

R489 If he was cast on this show and was popular, there's no reason that can't continue. Also I don't think he looks 18.

He’s no me, that’s for sure!

Sear has weird lower teeth. Like a goblin. And his hair was terrible, at least at the end. He looked like a tiny Sith Lord.

He's a snaggletooth. He needs to get it fixed. He could play a vampire without any prosthetics.

I don't get it. The setting is Atlanta. Now admittedly Atlanta gets chilly in winter sometimes into 3o's. But When Victor sees Benji for the first time by the water fountain, he is in a t-shirt and jeans. Season 1. But in Season 2 & 3, with the exception of his work t-shirt, Benji is usually wearing some kind of jacket. I liked the way he looked when he went to Mia's father's wedding and caught Victor. I loved that same suit at the Sping Fling. I liked the outfit he wore in Season 3 episode 5 I think. When they went to drag bingo. The continuity ws shit when it came to his hair too. From one scene to the next his hair looked different, even when it was the same scene and they cut away and came back.. The scene where he is walking into the classroom to meet his tutor is a case in point.

They love dressing these characters in layers and jackets r495.

At least this season it was meant to be winter, but it was really bad in Season 2 when a lot of it took place in summer. None of them were dressed the for a Hotlanta summer.

Also not a single character on this show has ever had a southern accent...

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Probably to cover all the tattoos

It's quite common for "sexy" shows to stop being sexy in their final season, because they no longer need to pander to the audience (to keep the ratings and interest in the show up).

Schedules have not been normal with the pandemic which may explain some scenes not looking like they were shot all at the same time.

All I want to say is Anthony Keyvan was delightful as Rahim. I loved that character and I am so glad they wrote scenes for him and Benij and then gave him an actual boyfriend. I wish they'd do a spin off. I will also say I'm glad he and Victor are friends. I never wanted them to hook up. I thought it was important to show Gay guys being friends. And honestly, this was sort of a fairy tale, right? (No pun intended. ) The two leads were destined to end up together.

[quote]All I want to say is Anthony Keyvan was delightful as Rahim.

Agree.

He's the prettiest of the bunch as well! "Persian Clark Kent" indeed.

I didn't think he was the prettiest. It's relative I guess. In fact, I thought he looked too old to be a high school kid. But I loved the character this year.

I thought it was unealistic for Victor and Benji to reconcile, and get dad's car and then sit a mile apart in the ccar, and not want to have make up sex. They should have parked somewhere and fucked their brains out. They're teenagers, for fuck's sake!

I don’t remember them having quite so many saccharine conversations in the prior seasons. Who goes and sits on their best friend’s bed to get the scoop on their first gay sex!? Lol

The problem with this show and other YA novel based shows is that the original plot and story premise are thin by design since the target audience is young.

Once the initial story conflict is addressed, there is very little material to continue the story, so it become poorly imagined melodrama.

r506, the general fear of YA themed content is always to not overwhelm the target audience (perceiving younger viewers as stupid, ignorant, shallow, not ready for certain topics, etc.). Of course, that makes other age groups roll their eyes at such entertainment. The exception is when the creators manage to sneak in jokes and references that go over the younger viewers' heads, but the older viewers get them.

R496, I hear you! They shot the series in LA in November, December, January, February. The nights were cold. and the days got chilly. Now Atlanta has similar weather at that time of year, but they were supposed to be in their "summer bubble" and then Fall when school started, and Atlanta remains quite comfortable up into October.

I want a Rahim spin off

R509 Like he gets into meth and is spun?

More like Rahim moves to SF, tosses his hat in the air, and makes it after all... with lots of hot guys. Or, since he's the Persian Clark Kent, give him some superpowers and let him fight crime while looking fabulous and hooking up with lots of hot guys. The possibilities are limitless.

Honestly, though, I just want more Rahim in my life.

Hunny if anyone becomes a meth head it's Felix.

[quote]the general fear of YA themed content is always to not overwhelm the target audience (perceiving younger viewers as stupid, ignorant, shallow, not ready for certain topics, etc.). Of course, that makes other age groups roll their eyes at such entertainment. The exception is when the creators manage to sneak in jokes and references that go over the younger viewers' heads, but the older viewers get them.

What was the target audience of 13 Reasons Why, though? It was about high school teens, and that's primarily who watched it (and younger), yet it had everything in it - sex scenes, murder, suicide, rape, etc.

13 Reasons was a popular YA novel and only the first season of the show loosely followed the book.

The sex scenes were amped up for the show. The novel focused much more on her recordings to unravel why she killed herself and how all the stories that led to that were intertwined.

The majority of the stuff about the other characters was invented for the show as they attempted to give a backstory to why they behaved the way they did - and ultimately undercuts Hannah's suicide by mitigating their shitty behavior. The novel was Hannah and Clay's story.

R514 Thanks. But I don't think that was what I was saying, unless I wasn't very clear. The poster was talking about the limiations of a YA themed TV show like Love, Victor. And I was pointing out 13 RW pushed the envelope a lot more than Love, Victor, yet it was also a YA themed show. So I don't think Love, Victor was limited just by being a YA show. I think a choice was made to keep it somewhat more within certain bounds.

R515 Love, Victor was initially slated to premiere on the Disney+ channel, but they got cold feet that it would be to controversial so it was dumped onto Hulu, which is owned by Disney. So, the first season being low key was expected, but many hoped substantial seasons would be more spicy, but it basically stayed in the lane it started in.

Well IMO they were cowards. Was this just one of those family sitcoms focusing on the Gay son and his high school friends? Because they crapped out on the sex stuff. Kept it PG. How could they not show or at least imply make up sex in Dad's car in Episode 1.

There are not that many family friendly TV shows who let a teenager be a recovering alcoholic who is in AA. That was new, but not as edgy as in Euphoria. I was pleasantly surprised that Victor and Andrew were allowed to get high, and it didn't turn into a "don't do drugs, kids!" PSA.

I think HBO Max's Euphoria really is a game changer when it comes to edgy teen entertainment and how other shows try to keep up pushing the envelope in their own way.

R517 If you want to watch sex there's plenty of porn available. It says something about you that you criticize what you see as a lack of sexual content.

R519 you're full of shit. I am complaining about the lack of authenticity and the deliberate sanitizing. Because it implies that Gay sex and portrayals of affection and tendeness are kept to a minimum because they feel audiences aren't ready to see too much of Gays doing that. I do not need to see people fucking. (Porn is boring.) I would like authenticity. Not fucking, but some acknowledgement that these are teenagers, 17 yr olds, in love and hot for one another.

In one scene Benji reaches out while driving and strokes Victor's cheek. I loved it. It was a tender gesture of affection. In another scene in episode one they both flop down on Benji's bed and Victor reaches out and strokes Benji's hair, trying to comfort him. There wasn't enough of that kind of thing. Touching is important. The scene of the two of them sitting on the school bench kissing, they were also holding hands. To me that was hot. I love seeing the physical manifestations of love. Now go stick a dildo up your bum you judgemental ass

R520 I'm sorry the lovely moments you describe weren't enough for you. I still think you're obsessed, or at least preoccupied, with the depiction of sex.

You can always write/produce your own show the way you want it.

Go ahead. You can think I'm obsessed. I think you're an ass. Anyway I've made my point.

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I'm sorry. After all is said and done I still have a crush on George./Benji. The series had flaws. It has strengths and weaknesses, but overall there was something about it that drew me in and I think it was the characters. They did a great job of casting this show. I enjoyed the dialogue too. Now plotwise it had flaws, but still. And I think Geoge is adorable. And lest you start fucking with me being a pedo, George is 24 going on 25.

Just finished watching episode 4. Nic’s a ho. Rahim’s hot as fuck!

I would watch a Season 4. There I said it.

[quote]I'm sorry. After all is said and done I still have a crush on George./Benji.

George/Benji is an example of how first impressions really stick with you.

His very first scene at the drinking fountain and the way he runs his fingers through his hair is very sexy. THAT is the image I had of him for the rest of the show.

Michael Cimino is at NYC pride with Nicholas Hamilton

From the very first episode, the best element of this series for me is the friendship between Victor and Felix. When Victor came out to Felix in the first season, I think to this day that's the most touching scene in the whole series. The openness between him and Victor, including the scene when Victor discovered the rash on his cock, is so special.

Felix is actually my favorite character. When I was in my early teens, my family and I moved and I had to change schools. I was bullied. I wish I had a friend like Felix who knew the school, and showed up and watched out for me the way he did for Victor. I think Pilar's being a brat. Her parents took Felix in when he had nobody and kept him out of the foster care system. He was just being respectful.

But Pilar has a point. When push came to shove, Felix chose her parents over her. That's not a great foundation for a romantic relationship.

YEs but. I have a feeling for Felix the timing wasn't right. But I have a feeling he's gonna circle back and end up with Pilar. He loved that family, and having Papa and Mama throw him out in anger was traumatic for him. But it will pass.

Victor and Rahim singing karaoke at a gay bar. I think this is in season 2. (This is the stealth case for Victor + Rahim.)

R528, Michael was there on behalf of The Trevor Project. ...and he was promoting his TV show. You missed the part where he is riding on a float and took off his shirt and threw it into the crowd. He was having a blast. He has a real nice body, BTW.

R533 Here’s hoping Michael got some ASS.

Sooo, when Victor told the doctor that his booty calls with Nic didn't involve "sex, sex", what were Nic and him doing underneath that house: 69, frottage, what?

R533 And here he is having a blast (shirtless)

R535, very good question. Enquiring minds would like to know...

It means they stopped at blow jobs, every gay hook up doesn't have to involve anal. Especially these impromptu hook ups where you might not be "prepared"

Nice pittage r536.

Here's a question. Now when Nick jumped on him, and in Season 2 when he and Benji were making out in the backroom at work, the t-shirts came off first thing.. Now I don't know if the director thought to amplify the heat of the moment by having them tear at one another's t-shirts, but in my personal experience, as a promiscuous 16-17 yr. old, it was the ass and the zipper we went for not the t- shirt. Nick was buttoning Victor's shirt. It was kind of sexy to see him do that.) So I'm asking, did I miss out by not tearing my boyfriend's t-shirt off to give him a blow job? I mean we were usually in a place where there was some risk involved.

Michael Cimino posted a short video on YouTube saying that he will not work in Texas due to their treatment of LGBT persons unless absolutely necessary, and for a very limited time. 'They don't need pink money'. 'I won't be supporting places who don't support my people'.

Did he come out as bi or gay and I missed it? I last recall that Michael gave one of those standard-issue young-actor-in-a-gay-role 'never say never' generic sexuality disclaimers.

R541 - Maybe, that statement is his lowkey way of coming out🤞

But he qualifies it to say that he wouldn’t film there unless there’s a dire need 🙃

I'm happy they read DL. They made Bebe Wood bi like we suggested years ago, they also finally showed Victor enjoying basketball, like watching a game on his phone when he gets a booty call. Good call. They also showed his phone with a screen that is related to basketball. We still had to endure the fem pity party which wouldn't exist with out gay athletes, but overall this was a decent show.

[quote]And here he is having a blast (shirtless)

Before I even clicked on it I knew he's have that same shit eating grin on his face.

I want Michael. Let’s fuck, Mikey!

Are we sure he’s not queer in some way? I’m very new to Love Victor & from just very recent looks around his Insta etc, I was fairly sure he probably was. But found this thread & figured I must have missed something about him saying he was straight!

When Season 1 first came out he acknowledged he was straight. Repeatedly.

That guy is a lot of things but straight aint one of them. I get Luke Evans vibe. We'll see.

Michael has for sure had his dick sucked by a guy. At least.

Will Michael Cimino later on pull a Tyler Posey?

If I have any kind of luck r551!

R539 More Cimino pittage for you.

!pits

I still don't get why guys think chest and bush hair are not attractive and need to be shaved, then show off thick armpit hair.

R555 It’s gross.

I happen to like some hair. Tell you right now, just to stay on topic, one of the leads in Love, Victor has a beautiful treasure trail and a very nice dusting of hair on his chest. When he is in civilian liife.

I'll see if there's a better picture out here.

Here's a shot of Michael and George from their "Chemisty Read." Michael was 19, George , 22. Aptaker took one look and said, "that's it. That's the show."

[Quote]When Season 1 first came out he acknowledged he was straight. Repeatedly.

Yeah, so leave him alone.

Actors are just doing their job promoting their projects or themselves. I find it rather scary that some people think that they have a connection with an actor, because he's pandering to the audience. All an actor wants is people's financial support, and not in a "let's be friends!" kind of way.

R561, I agree with you, but at the same time there's nothing wrong with admiring an attractive guy. I don't feel any "connection" but I do get crushes on beautiful men. I'm not about to fly to LA or NYC or London, to "connect" with my crush. And who knows. Next month I'll develop a crush on someone else. I think most of the time, people develop crushes on a character not the actor. And I am a firm believer that you should never meet your crush. Lots of stories about these kids that chase celebrities and then get a rude awakening when the celebrity shits on them.

[quote] I agree with you, but at the same time there's nothing wrong with admiring an attractive guy.

It's about the parties involved being on the same page, that nobody is under the illusion that something more can come out of this.

R563 There are many stories of fans hooking up with celebrities. It happens more than we know.

Well sure, the vast majority of people aren’t famous. Celebs will on occasion have to hook up with a non famous!

They're kind of perfect in that chemistry read picture at R559. Looking at George's face all I can think of is sex. He is very sexual.

[quote]I don't feel any "connection" but I do get crushes on beautiful men. I'm not about to fly to LA or NYC or London, to "connect" with my crush. And who knows. Next month I'll develop a crush on someone else. I think most of the time, people develop crushes on a character not the actor. And I am a firm believer that you should never meet your crush. Lots of stories about these kids that chase celebrities and then get a rude awakening when the celebrity shits on them.

You're supposed to get crushes on them. That's why they're cast. You're also supposed to feel a connection. That's what the whole star-fan thing is based on. It's encouraged. It's really kind of a tease.

In the final season there is a scene in which Victor rings the bell and Benji opens the door. George was so stunningly handsome in that moment I think I audibly reacted. Great looking man, it will be interesting to see how his career progresses.

I'm sorry but George Sears was one of the least interesting actors on the show. He really was.

I thought he was especially beautiful in that scene, too, R568.

R569 Maybe, but George Sear was great.

George is beautiful but he is missing ‘it’ for me. He doesn’t have the easy charisma & energy & enthusiasm actors his age often have. I duno, I want to really like him but I can’t quite engage!

I'm also curious to see what happens to George. So if you were casting him what kinds of roles do you see for him? I think I'd like to make him a sneaky villain, even a serial killer, and mess his looks up a little.

Yep r572, we watched three seasons of his on screen performance and I am just not impressed. I'm sure he is a lovely guy in real life but he is lacking what it takes to really make it in the industry IMO.

Yes ITA R574 - Michael has "it" more

George seemed to hold back, even freeze in the first 2 seasons but he has been much more relaxed and animated while promoting Season 3. I notice in older interviews, he seems shy and nervous. I know he got a lot of hate when the whole Rahim thing was going on, and people were calling him a "white supremacist " and threatening his life! Crazy shit. Totally uncalled for. He seems like a sweet guy. So maybe that caused him to pull back.

But when it comes to his character, remember it is the director who is in charge. They are the ones who insist on restraint or decide what kind of personalities the characters have. All I can go on is that the cast seems close, and they seem to like one another. The poblem with thi business is that eal fiendships ae few. People may like one anothe and be fiends, but it seems tansient, not lasting. And most of them keep an eye on the ones who can help them.

Michael, who was signed by CAA, is very ambitious. He networks. He networks with other actors, with directors, crew, showrunners, casting directors, etc. He promotes other people's work, and seems open and friendly. He's articulate in interviews, too. We have no idea where Michael lives, or who he is dating. Yes he is in L.A. and he loves to pop over to NYC. But even though he seems accessible we don't know a lot about his personal details. And that's good. He has figured out how to maintain privacy while establishing a presence on social media. George barely bothers with social media. He used to. But unless he appears in someone else's feed, he has faded in the past year. He seems vulnerable and I hope he has success as an actor. I like him.

In fairness, I do think that the writers did George few favours in series 2 & 3; the extended and dreary AA/rehab story arc gave him very little opportunity to show his engaging, fun persona we saw in the first season. And the truncated 3rd series forced the writers to compress his storyline even further.

And I remain very impressed by his yank accent, I never heard so much as a hint of the Essex boy across 3 years.

[quote] Yes ITA [R574] - Michael has "it" more

White skin

Artful Dodger. That's who George should play. If they ever do a revival of Oliver Twist he's the guy to do it.

R578: ? Michael is hispanic with olive/brown skin. George is the white actor. So no - "White skin" does not apply in context.

R580 He's half white, as has already been mentioned. He's played a white character in at least one other show or movie.

Is that Anthony Turpel a gay?

R582 Probably, but not openly.

R581: That is irrelevant to the previous discussion. The conversation was about how Michael has more "it" factor than George. Saying it is because Michael has "white skin" (which he does not) does not make sense because George is the one with white skin and all white. I think the poster got Michael and George confused.

R584 It may be irrelevant to the previous discussion but it's relevant to R580's post.

*(Because Michael is only half hispanic)

Michael's mother is Puerto Rican and his father is Italian. They're from NYC. And where I come from Italians are barely considered "white." They're Italian. Michael identifies with his Latino ancesty moe so than his Italian, and he is bown skinned. Obviously. But why some fucking troll post injectng race into this discussion by simply posting "white" should command so much relevance is ridiculous.

According to Wikipedia his father is "of Italian-German ancestry."

[quote] And where I come from Italians are barely considered "white." They're Italian.

Being part Italian, I'm sure I'm white, or else I would have been eligible to apply to college on the quota system.

[quote]Being part Italian, I'm sure I'm white, or else I would have been eligible to apply to college on the quota system.

Main line and old money wealth completely disagree with this assessment.

[quote]And where I come from Italians are barely considered "white." They're Italian.

Do you come from a place where people aren't allowed to go to school?

Sigh, Michael looks Latino/Puerto Rican - so he is considered Latino/Puerto Rican - regardless of what his father is. If he didn't tell you his father was Italian, you wouldn't even know it by looking at him. Either way, he is beautiful with a bright acting future. I wish him the best.

His father is also part GERMAN.

With his darkish complexion, I think he looks more Latino to white people, and possibly more like mixed, to Latinos. But idk.

"Cimino is a singer and an actor known for starring in Annabelle Home (2019) as Bob Palmeri, Centurion XII (2020) as Miguel, and Training Day (2017) as Young Sadiq." (IMDB)

So he's played an Italian American (Palmeri is an Italian surname) and a Muslim, among other things.

You’re supposed to go by what race your father is. Though Michael looks very, very Latino even Arabic. Either way, he’s cute and sexy.

Side by side with our boy Froy, Michael would be picked out as the Brown skin one and Froy would be given a pass as all American.

Froy is white. And looks white. Technically most Latinos are racially white, ethnically Latino.

Froy's dad is a dark Mexican. He looks like his white mother.

Froy and dad

But yes, Froy does look white and is considered white (although he identifies as mixed).

Nico Greetham is also half Latino because his mother is from Colombia while his father is either English or Scottish. Nico is also fluent in Spanish.

Another DL thread derailed into some idiotic and pointless race discussion, involving someone who was not even in the fucking programme being discussed . What is wrong with you fucking race-obsessed queens?!