Janet Jackson Doesn't Mince Words When It Comes To Her Sour Relationships With Brother Michael Jackson And James DeBarge

James DeBarge:

In 1984 she secretly wed singer James DeBarge, from vocal group DeBarge — only to discover his addiction issues.

“I remember going to Michigan, Grand Rapids, and his uncle, a pastor, married us,” she says.“We got married and came back to the hotel and then he said, ‘OK, I’ll be right back’.

“And I’m sitting in the hotel by myself, just 18 and for three hours he never came back. It’s no secret, when it comes to relationships, somehow I’m attracted to drug addicts.”

Then things became horrible during their short-lived relationship. She says: “You know the shovels at the fireplace? That was pushed down on my throat one time. I sit and I say, ‘Were you stupid?’ But it wasn’t that. I cared so much for him and I saw the good in him as well. I just wanted that to take precedence instead of this ugliness.

“I remember deciding to get a divorce, or an annulment I should say, because it only lasted a year. One day he wanted me to drive him to his brother’s house and that’s when I told him and he had me stop the car. I remember him ramming my head up against the side of the car. He was so mad and so frustrated and when he got out of the car I locked the doors. I remember driving back home to my parents’ house. I was just done.”

In 1991 she married her backing dancer, René Elizondo Jr, but she claims that union became toxic when he started trying to control her life and image.

Following their divorce in 2000 she romanced US record producer Jermaine Dupri, but eventually wed Saudi billionaire Wissam Al Mana in 2012, with whom she had her son Eissa, now four.

They separated in 2017, but Janet is still open to the idea of love.

“I haven’t given up on love. I feel it’s more difficult being in the public eye and looking for love,” she says.

“A healthy relationship would be nice for me in the future.”

This may make Vadgebot love Michael Jackson.

Well Vadge herself is still in love with him. She apparently addresses the secret baby rumor in this documentary per the trailer. I was afraid this would be all fluff but it sounds like she’s revealing a lot in this. I recall her her acknowledging that the family wasn’t close and their having to get away from each other as much as possible because there was always some sort of drama going on.

Hee hee here, owwwwww!

SLUT HORSE!

Janet needs to stop the redemption attempt. No one cares.

I can't ever read quotes from her without hearing them in that atrocious fake baby voice. I actually like a lot of her music, but I can't stand her manufactured childish whisper.

So, what she's saying is that Wacko Jacko, the serial, pathological liar, actually said something true for once in his life?

That truly is shocking. I didn't think he had it in him.

[quote] “There were times when Mike used to tease me and call me names … ‘Pig, horse, sl*t, or hog, cow’,”

That's just a typical day on Datalounge!

Wow. Reading the Michael Jackson fans' reaction to this on lipstickalley is really funny. They are not amused.

[quote]“He would laugh about it and I’d laugh too, but then there was some­where down inside that it would hurt. When you have somebody say you’re too heavy, it affects you.”

She shares a lot of brutal honesty, but this stuck out the most. It's incredible how someone can have such power over you, and you crave their approval so much, you're willing to invite a person in to privately commiserate with all of the negative voices in your head.

[quote] It’s no secret, when it comes to relationships, somehow I’m attracted to drug addicts.”

What other drug addicts did she date besides James?

It’s terrible how MJ didn’t even wanna see Janet during the Scream video shoot. She must have felt like shit. I always thought it was a true combination between brother and sisters. How sad.

We already have a thread for the documentary, so there won't be 100 different threads about Janet after starts it airing on Friday.

Im sure she will be spilling more tea about many people

I think I remember watching a special on the making of the Scream video on MTV or something (it was one of the most expensive videos ever made, if not the most) and there was mention how each of them was filmed separately, even though it made it look like they were together. I don't remember how they spun it. Obviously, they didn't present the truth.

Well, does she at least mince pies?

[QUOTE] The lawsuit was settled in January 1994 with a $23 million payout to the Chandlers. Janet says: “Michael wound up giving money to the family. He just wanted it to go away, but that looks like you’re guilty.”

You think?

She covered up for his pedophilia because the whole family was dependent on his brand and his money.

Well, he's long dead and she's not, so Janet wins.

Michael called her names such as "Pig, horse, slaughter hog, cow".

hee hee!

I think Rebbie might be the only stable one in that family.

When he called her pig she should have told him to stop been a pedo with underage boys.

r20 = unstable Rebbie

Janet didn't really defend Michael that much as people here think. She didn't talk much about the abuse allegations to the press. She focused more on her career. Apparently Michael was mad about the fact she wasn't pleading the press to leave him alone.

[quote] Wow. Reading the Michael Jackson fans' reaction to this on lipstickalley is really funny. They are not amused.

You should see them on Quora and Reddit too. Majority of them are deranged white girls and Europeans.

I hope Janet DRAAAGS Justin Timberlake’s bitch ass and put the final stake in his already dying career.

Will she admit she was fucking Justin Timberlake? She also was fucking Matthew McConaughey around the same time

It is interesting how she spun it as an “intervention” when the family went begging to Michael to do a family tour.

Did anyone else see Jermaine being interviewed on Larry King in 2009 right after Michael died? He was smiling in spite of himself, like the cat who ate the canary.

Lot of resentment and jealousy in that family

And how is she unstable R22?

Michael was a DLer in some ways…

💀💀💀

Unbelievable

You must scream

Michael was gay. The issue is he liked them too young. That's why Joe was beating Michael the most out of all his sons. He sensed Mike was "different."

Nobody cares about this stuff....we only care about Good Times and LaToya.

She never had a shot at "normal".

But I like her - always have.

So MJ was actually Erna?

R26 Good for her.

Don't let the soft-spoken voices fool you. The Jacksons came from the rough, working-class (in modern terms " the hood") of Gary, Indiana. Motown had a school system where they taught their performers to talk, act and walk more white and middle-class.

What r25 said.

Timberlake would have earned my deepest admiration and respect if he had told whoever sponsored his 2018 Super Bowl performance, "No, unless Janet is invited to perform, too."

R11 Her Back-up Dancer husband (longest marriage) Rene Elizondo was addicted to pain killers. He was very controlling and passive aggressive abuse and was involved in the fat-shaming too to some degree, he also tried to bleed her dry in the divorce. She glossed over a lot of this in the documentary but I remember (in real time) him being a real asshole to her when she divorced him.

MJ was right. She should henceforth be known as slut-hog. Brilliant.

r6/r39 - I could have sworn I read that their (the Jackson children's) voice was the result of abuse from their father. Something about him feeling their regular (non-child like) voices as disrespectful because it wasn't passive/deferential enough towards him, their senior, so he'd beat and emotionally abuse them until they modified their voice. I don't know if it's true or not, but it sounds like something that saddist would do.

R43 the baby voice is also a psychological defense mechanism. Abuse victims speak in a childlike tone to seem more innocent and potentially avoid punishment. Not just the Jacksons but also the Debarge, Carter and Phoenix siblings have it Marvin Gaye and Marilyn Monroe as well.

Janet said Joe Jackson did not abuse them. She said he disciplined them with love.

r41 yet it was the last time she was sane, too.

Janet has been pushing this revisionist history about Joe. She was the youngest and most spoiled of the siblings because she never grew up struggling like her older siblings. Though Michael was a drama queen and may have over-exaggerated things. I think Michael was bullied more likely because he was gay by both Joe and his older brothers.

R47 MJ was not gay, fuckhead. If anyone was a poster boy for asexuality MJ was it. There were some rumors that he fucked some girls in his youth but I'd need proof and not just spin.

R48 asexual? Bitch please the weirdo was probably a gay freak pedo who likes his male lovers really really young.

R49

I am NOT R48, but you do understand there is a difference between pedophilia and homosexuality right? They are two completely different things. Being one does not necessarily make you the other. In fact pedophilia is more common in heterosexuals than in homosexuals.

[Quote]The Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute notes that 90% of child molesters target children in their network of family and friends, and the majority are men married to women.

MJ preferred boys. He was a homosexual pedophile. Most pedophiles are heterosexual because most people are heterosexual.

Although she didn't spill all the tea, I think Janet's version has been the most candid. She was a lot more revealing than this family has been about anything. I appreciated that she showed people that Michael was not a saint with the fat-shaming. She protected her parents. I don't believe they were beat. During that time a lot of parents physically disciplined their children. In 2022 it seems barbaric, but at that time it was the norm in a lot of households. I think Michael (and others) blew it out of proportion because Michael was always trying to justify why he was so weird. I don't think Michael was bullied by anyone. I think he knew he was the star and was pissed that while growing up the family did not give him special treatment.

In the following areas I think she was less candid:

1.) Rene Elizondo was a douche bag. She gave him a lot more credit here than he deserved, primarily because he provided a lot of the footage they used in this documentary (so she had to play nice with him - although I am sure she paid dearly to use it), but also because she didn't wanna get sued - again. When they divorced he broke the prenup and went after her millions. He was not her manager so he wasn't responsible for the strategic decisions regarding her career. Jimmy Jam And Terry Lewis sculpted her creative side. Paula Abdul did the choreography. What justified him trying to take her money? Nobody even knew they were married until they were divorcing. He just came along at the right time. He walked away with over $10 million - not bad for a back up dancer.

2.) She avoided discussions about Michael's molestation allegations by saying she "was not close to him" during that time period. In fairness, she wasn't there, so she doesn't "know" for certain what happened. But OF COURSE she knows more than she is saying. She ended up saying he "didn't have it in him" [to molest] (which is consistent with what she's always said), but then says paying made him "look guilty." She deliberately left it open for people to draw their own conclusions. Which is actually more forthcoming than she's ever been before. I just wish she would have told us whether he did it or not. But, I think that was a fair way to split the baby since this is supposed to be a documentary about her. She couldn't leave it out but she didn't wanna go too deep into it because Michael is a whole side show in and of himself.

3.) She very clearly avoided any discussion about her ex-husband Wissam Al Mana. I suspect that she was not able to discuss him per their custody arrangement regarding their son. She does not wanna piss him off. If he kidnaps that boy she knows she will never see him again. So I can accept her not discussing that part of her life, but the omission of him was very obvious.

4.) All the Jacksons (Janet included) like to paint a picture of them all being one big happy family. Clearly they aren't. There is a segment where she discusses being distant from Michael but she then shows them collaborating together on Scream. Then she later says they filmed separately and how it was painful. That whole segment was confusing. Were they close at that time or not? I suspect they have never been close but she is trying to parcel out (unsuccessfully) time frames she doesn't want to discuss as the times they weren't close. And if they are so close, why were Marlon, Jackie, Jermaine and Latoya not a part of her documentary? They are so close, but they have not one word to say about their baby sister's life story? She should have either paid them to participate or explained why they were not in it. This was a HUGE hole!

R49 is a Klan Granny. She equates gay men with being pedophiles. And blacks with being subhuman monkeys no doubt.

R52 [CONTINUED]

5.) She completely glossed over the Superbowl controversy and I don't think she was 100% honest about it. Her explanation was that it was an accident and "SHE" did not mean for it to happen. That was consistent with what Rebbie said about her crying afterwards. I believe that. But what she did not say was that it was an accident from Justin's perspective. It has been widely speculated that Justin did it on purpose. He is a professional who has been performing LIVE since he was a child. He is not new to this. And considering they rehearsed the hell out of this number in prep for this big event, how do you "accidentally" rip someone's blouse off? That is completely not believable.

This was her show. He was just a surprise guest so in real time she (ill-advisedly) decided to just take the hit. At the time, her people probably advised her that this would all blow over in a few days. I think everyone was shocked that the controversy lasted as long as it did and had such a severe impact to her career. It didn't hurt that Michael was embroiled in his own shit show at the time, which as she said, impacted her too. I understand her reasons for staying mum at the time (since it was her show), but I was a little disappointed that she did not out Justin later or in the documentary. She probably figures"what good would it do now" to expose Justin? I also don't doubt that Justin has since given her money to keep this under wraps. Justin has gotten a lot of negative publicity regarding women so I am sure he was very anxious to keep her quiet about this. But by her not giving a full explanation of what happened (which everyone was waiting for) she has only kept speculation surrounding this controversy alive. Tell us Janet, WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?

All things considered, I think it was a good documentary. We got a lot more behind the scenes footage than we get from most celebrities. We also got her narrating it rather than some unauthorized biographer talking about her after she's dead and gone, so kudos to her for doing this. I hope more celebrities of her caliber will do this while they are alive. Who better to talk about you, than you?

When I listened to the doc, she didn’t say “slut or hog”, she said “slaughter hog”. She was a girl at the time - why would he call her a slut? And she brushed off the insults as an older brother teasing a younger sister. What I sensed was there was a bit of unspoken animosity because of the competition between them, which she strongly alluded to when speaking of their Scream collaboration. When it came to the music, they were competitors. I sort of felt like Michael used Janet on that song to bolster its popularity.

[quote]her superstar brother Michael regularly fat-shamed her

Well, if the caftan fits . . .or in her case, doesn't

R51 That is some bassackwards logic! There is no such thing as a Homosexual Pedophile. Pedophilia is NOT Homosexuality. PERIOD.

Does she finally and honestly address Jacko's pedophilia? I'd rather be fat than a child rapist. Luckily, I'm neither.

R52 Bitch, STFU. Everyone knows how Joe brutalized all of his boys and especially Michael. Michael had every symptom of deep trauma from the abuse of his horrible father. Plus the horrendousness of being involved in that shit JW cult.

I saw Part One last night.

Everything re The Jacksons must be considered through a lens of bullshit. But this seems to have at least some genuine aspects to it.

R59 Bitch YOU Shut the fuck up! You have no idea what discipline is or even raising a child is about so go back to styling your fag hag's hair and leave this conversation to adults!

R57 Homosexuals are attracted to the same sex. Pedophiles are attracted to children. Pedophiles who are exclusively attracted to children of the same-sex are homosexual pedophiles. You act like I'm equating pedophilia with homosexuality and I'm not. Most humans are attracted to sexually developed adults. Thus majority of straight, bisexual and gay people are not pedophiles.

R61 Frau, get the fuck off a gay men's website. Take your Klan Granny BS and fuck off.

R62 / R63 Your dumbass is equating pedophilia with homosexuality. You literally linked the two words. LOL Stop trying to normalize that bullshit! Fuck off you SICK FUCK! Go back to NAMBLA!

R64 You can be two things at once, you know? Pedophilia is a mental illness. Being gay is not.

Please calm down.

R64 is the only one who is a pedophile on here. Trying to accuse everyone else on here of what she is guilty of. Nice try, pedo.

R65 / R66 You're just mad because I called your sick pedo ass out for trying to normalize your SICKNESS! Go seek help you retard!

Girls! You’re both cunts. Now move on.

R64 If a fish is red and I said "red fish". Am I equating the color red with a fish? Is fish now a color? Is red now an aquatic animal?

If gay people can be bipolar, be schizophrenic and suffer other mental illness. Why can't they also be pedophiles which is also a mental illness? Children have sexual dimorphic differences. Little boys and girls don't look alike. So if a pedophile only likes boys then it's safe to say he is a homosexual too.

Most gay men are not pedophiles. You seem to be super defensive and irrational about the idea. Perhaps you have an issue. I'm a gay man by the way and I don't see the problem with idea that pedophiles have sexual orientations too. Pedophilia is a paraphilic disorder not a sexual orientation.

Does she talk about her adult daughter that she is still denying? Until then, snore. Everyone else's dirt, none of her own.

R69 HAHAHA! What are you rambling on about now? Bitch are you mad!??? HAHAHAHA You seem angry.

Did your parol officer just bust you with another little boy or are the neighbors snubbing your sick ass for being on the sex offender's registry... AGAIN? HAHAHAHA!

What a sorry life a sick pedophile bastard like you must be living! HAHAHAHAHA!

R71 Troll. I like big dicks and hairy pitts and baritone voices. So no little boys for me. I think you have the bigger issue. Have a great day.

R72 Stop lying. Leave those little boys alone. I don't wanna see you back in court again. HAHAHA!

But then again, you have demonstrated that you are a dummy so your sick ass will do it again and you will get caught.. AGAIN. At least try to get a better lawyer this time! HAHAHAHA!

Girls! Girls! You're all hideous deformed cunts! Shut the fuck up!

MJ was a demented, diabolical pedophile . I’m ovwe the 🌝 he is dead

R70, I’m sure that the adult daughter wants to stay out of the public eye. Who would want to be dragged into this mess?

[quote] What other drug addicts did she date besides James?

Michael. Janet admits in the book that their relationship went sour because Michael wanted her to be whiter.

Did they ask Cissy Houston to be a part of the documentary? As I understand it this former Minister of Music was a big Janet Jackson fan and spoke of her fondly. She and her daughter Whitney were also Paula Abdul fans.

"parol officer"

Oh, dear.

even a stopped clock tells the time correctly twice a day

One fucked up family to be sure.

And she married into the DeBarges, another fucked up family.

she came from a fucked up family, she didn't really have good examples of "normal" relationships, can't blame her for choosing the wrong men.

It's ludicrous to think of that Super Bowl nipple incident as anything other than a massive miscalculation by Jackson. In other words, it was a deliberate ploy that backfired.

The kinky jewellery adorning her nipple was only put there to add to the "shock" when it was revealed.. You wouldn't wear something like that under a skin-tight leather garment while performing elaborate dance routines in front of the entire world.

None of this seems like news to me. She’s always been very controlling about her image and private life. Five years to produce the same boring stories?

She’s still hiding the fact that she has an adult daughter.

And of course her own bisexuality.

And of course that her father had sex with his daughters.

R57 you are a moron. There have been many revelations by gay men been sexually molested by an adult male figure who targeted them because they were gay and the abuser was openly gay. It is the same with women who were molested by straight men when they were a little girl. there are gay and straight pedos. Just like one of the poster had educated your dumb ass. The reason there are more heterosexual pedos is because most men are heterosexual and some are into much younger females.

I don’t think that we’ll ever get the real story about the Jacksons. Not from the source anyway.

Especially, R87, when, for one thing, when the family is making money off the dead pedo.

Paris will have another breakdown and spill the tea.

+Exactly R85.

Michael said his older brothers constantly mocked him when hew as growing up for the darkness of his skin and the broadness of his nose, so clearly he was engaging in the cycle of abuse by mocking the person in the family closest in age to him who wouldn't fight back.

And of course it's been reported that Joe beat the older boys (before Janet even came along), so it all stems from Joe (who may have been abused himself).

The secrets always come out. We may have to wait for Janet to die though.

He touched me... there...

[quote] And she married into the DeBarges, another fucked up family.

Hilarious fact: the Jacksons considered the DeBarges to be trash because they were "too ghetto".

Is there a good biography of Michael Jackson, or of the entire Jackson family?

R95, I doubt the Jackson family would "let" that happen. I'm sure most biopics of them are sanitized.

The thing on Broadway sure is. It's a total whitewash (so to speak), sanctioned by that family.

[quote]I just wish she would have told us whether he did it or not.

r52, in Janet's defense, this documentary was about her, not Michael. You are talking like they were conjoined twins. Janet was headlining megastar by age 21, she probably found out information about Michael on the news like everyone else. I doubt you all share your whole life with your siblings, or even get along with them for that matter. The Jacksons are no different.

This documentary made it more clear than ever that Janet spent much of her young adult life on a mission to create a life and image for herself outside of her siblings.

Janet stated Michael became a different person once Thriller became a phenomenon, they grew apart. Her point was that she could not talk to and access Michael like she did when they grew up and she expressed great sadness over it. He also dismissed and blew off his brothers and sisters on several occasions. After Scream Janet and Michael did not speak for many years.

Also? Unless she was in the room with him, she wouldn't KNOW if he did anything to anyone. And it sounds like they weren't especially close in later years, post Thriller.

Which tracks with how isolated he started to be after that level of megafame hit him.

Michael was 8 years older than Janet and he was busy touring with his brothers while Janet was still in diapers. Janet appears closer to Rebbie, La Toya and Randy as they were mostly at home with her. The idea that Michael and Janet were close seems like a media fabrication because both were the most popular of their siblings and shared a strong resemblance. Janet did look up to Michael and pays tribute to him but you can see they never had a proper sibling relationship. Michael treated her like shit and really had no fraternal instincts as seen by how he treated his brothers too.

Serious question re: nipplegate - was that a pre-planned/choreographed element or did Justin do it spontaneously? She does not address this in doc. If pre-planned why in hell did they think that was a good idea given the venue and the pearl-clutching American public?

[quote] [R95], I doubt the Jackson family would "let" that happen. I'm sure most biopics of them are sanitized.

I didn't asked for a biopic; I asked for an actual biography (i.e. a book).

And people write unauthorized biographies all the time, even when the subjects are famous and wealthy demand they do not. Kitty Kelly owes her entire career to unauthorized celebrity biographies.

Whether MJ was a legitimate pedophile or asexual with a creepy obsession with boyhood. I don't think we'll ever know for sure. I still think his relationships with those boys are inappropriate and caused them serious damage just by all the emotional manipulation, lying, breaking boundaries and plus the unwanted media attention they got. MJ was mentally ill, not this innocent sweet babyangel his fans make him out to be. I've heard when he was young, he was obsessed with Diana Ross and mimicked her speaking style. He was definitely fruity as a little boy. The type to put on makeup and high heels. I can see Joe and his older brothers bullying him for that.

I wonder if Bobby DeBarge had stayed sober and not gotten arrested, would he have become the first gay R&B superstar. His falsetto was amazing. Bobby and El both are talented but severely fucked up by their family abuse and incest.

r101 in the FX documentary about the wardrobe malfunction, it was said that Janet and her stylist did make a last minute wardrobe change without CBS's knowledge. Whether Janet and her stylist intended for just her bra or her nipple to be exposed is the million dollar question; Janet and the stylist will likely take that answer to the grave.

The FX documentary on it was very good. Janet's mistake was not addressing the situation immediately with the public, she fled and waited until the following Monday to speak on it, which allowed huge speculation to build, and also led to network staff being blamed. She could've held a press conference late that night and said it was an accident, and I think it would've controlled some of the damage. When it came down to press, Janet handled herself like it was the 80s when the news cycle was slow. In that time even before social media, news spread like wildfire.

The network also had other concerns about the imagery shown during the show including Kidd Roc dancing with the American flag (this was just a couple years post 9/11) and the young cheerleaders dancing.

Thanks for the detailed answer R104! will check out the FX doc for sure.

In response to an earlier poster's argument that Joe's discipline was a product of the times - I THINK NOT! MJ once said Joe would slather oil all over his body and then whip him with a belt so the lashes would sting more. That shit is sadistic even by sixties and seventies standards.

The nipple thing was totally a stunt (ahem, the nipple ring thing was rather a giveaway). I genuinely don’t know what she was thinking. She should take responsibility rather than feign innocence.

R106 Maybe it was common for blacks. I mean look at what poor Tina put up with that ugly fucker Ike. Unless you have lived their lives or witnessed it, what do ya know? Nuthin.

' Maybe it was common for blacks. '

Tell me you're a Klan Granny without telling me you're a Klan Granny.

R109 Fuck off. Asshole. We all know blacks are descended from slavery and this really fucked them up for years. You'd be too if it happened to you. LOL.

I mean look at Aretha Franklin. It was public knowledge that she was fucking her pastor father. That is fucked up and not normal. Most people would keep that quiet and not brag about it.

[quote]Janet Jackson Doesn't Mince Words

She minced her nose instead.

She didn’t deny Michael was a child molester did she?

R113, she has several times.

Well Damn. I might just have to watch this doc. I was convinced that it would be all fluff. They must have paid her a ton of money (even more than what she'd make writing her memoirs) for her to suddenly be so transparent.

This is the only way she could remain relevant. Her music doesn’t resonate with anyone under 60.

R115 she is not so transparent. She couldn't even admit that her dead brother might be a pedo. There are other shit she wasn't transparent about for instance, did she give birth to a girl in the 80s.

With James Debarge.

She looks like an auntie here. I do wonder if she eloped with James because he knocked her up. The Debarge men were hot as hell back then.

Slap her Wilona

He wasn’t gay. He was a pedophile. Never any evidence of interest in an adult male. There’s a big difference.

Given MJ's abuse I'm wondering if his pedophilia was a maladaptive trait from years of physical and emotional abuse and then the physical trauma of his injuries in the early 80s. He seemed stuck in his childhood years mentally. Not excusing anything. He was a predator but I want to know what causes this. And he did seem like a regular effeminate gay kid when young with his idol worship of Diana Ross and fruity mannerisms. I wonder if he had a normal childhood with all that abuse would he have just been a regular gay man interested in other adults. People on this site are so sensitive and can't have a discussion about this. I do think pedophilia is nurtured by some series of traumatic events like any other paraphilic disorder.

LOL at those multiple clips above where MJ refers to women as "fish". Wonder if he was a DLer.

I know this thread is about Janet, not Michael, but this just appeared on my YouTube feed and I cannot stop watching it:

She didn’t deny Michael was a child molester did she?

r113, She said "he didn't have that in him".

Its interesting that Janet's documentary, over a decade after Michael death, still ends up being about Michael. I totally get why she was hell bent on becoming a success in her own right, it sucks having to live inside someone else's life.

Even after Janet said she was estranged from Michael for most of their adult lives, people still act like she knew if he was a pedophile or not. She can only speak on the brother she knew before he became a freak. Janet had more than enough of her own problems.

Really, r94? They do have issues. That Unsung episode was chilling. Their father was a lunatic.

R86 Nice try Pedo! Still out here trolling with your NAMBLA lies! LOL We see you. Now go away and take your deviant and ILLEGAL behavior with you!

Anyone who links pedophilia with homosexuality is an idiot. A gay man is no more likely to be a pedophile than is a heterosexual man. And as i said earlier it is far more common for a heterosexual man to be a pedophile.

To say someone is a homosexual pedophile is ridiculous. Pedophilia is a crime and a sickness. Stop linking that shit with homosexuality.

Someone's sexuality has nothing to do with whether they will commit these kinds of atrocities on a child.

Would you say someone is a heterosexual rapist or a homosexual rapist? No! You would just say they are a rapist. You've been brainwashed by the MSM who are more than happy to link gays with any sexual perversion. Stop the self hate!

[quote]There are other shit she wasn't transparent about for instance, did she give birth to a girl in the 80s.

I'm like Debbie Allen, "Where is this baby?" Janet could not have hidden a pregnancy while working on FAME. With that many people, including the costumer who would have to do her fittings, someone would have told it all by now.

Is it because her mother is alive she tries her hardest to minimize how abusive Joe Jackson was? MJ is dead so she’s more free to talk on him, but I really think Joe was probably MORE abusive than we know about, not less.

[quote]The Jacksons came from the rough, working-class (in modern terms " the hood") of Gary, Indiana. Motown had a school system where they taught their performers to talk, act and walk more white and middle-class.

They also went to school for a while in the San Fernando Valley. My dad's girlfriend told me stories about the Jackson brothers being illiterate because they missed school a lot while touring. She said only the girls stayed in school long enough to do more than just write their names.

R129, they all seem to be afraid of upsetting their mother. Doesn't Katherine hold the purse strings to Michael's money. Once she dies, I guess the money will be divided among his three kids?

Janet's look in the R118 and R119 photos seems very off. She should have hired Madonna's stylist in 83/84.

R127 is clearly a pedophile accusing everyone else of crimes she is guilty of. We know you're a pedo, cunt.

Why would Katherine be so protective of Joe? He beat her kids and cheated on her - even fathered a child(ren) outside of their marriage. Her kids are in their fifties and older (Rebbie is 72). They should be able to tell their truth without fear of offending mother. Maybe they're afraid telling the truth about Joe would reflect badly on Katherine.

R134 I think that's it. If they told the full extent of Joe's abuse the first thought that would come to my mind, at least, about Katherine would be that she was a woman who stood by and let her children be horribly brutalized. Abuser by association.

r132 she looks like 90% of young women in the early-mid 80s. the fashion, hair and heavy makeup of that time made everyone look older.

R133 Won't let this go because his attempt to tag all gays as pedophiles and normalize that shit was a big FAIL! HAHAHAHA!

Stop being a sicko or go find a NAMBLA (or GOP) site to find converts! We see you for what you are! All the projection in the world won't change that. LOL

R137 you are a complete retard. Not half way mentally unstable you are full on mental who needs to be in a psychiatric ward not on DL. I do feel sorry for you because it seems you were molested but you suffer from Stockholm syndrome. Get help and stop defending your molester.

R137 Fuck off, Jabba. We all know the way you write by now. You're the only pedo on here and jesus fuck we can see what you write, pedo cunt.

In the documentary did Janet have any comment about her former Good Times co star Jimmie Walker now appearing in Medicaid Part 3 commercials?

Yes, she did R140. She feels his Medicaid appearances are DYNOMITE but wishes he would put on some weight.

R138 and R139 is so fucking retarded he is answering himself. You stupid BITCH! Now you are talking about Stockholm Syndrome is? HAHAHA You just pulled that out of your ass didn't you? That has NOTHING to do with anything we are talking about. HAHAHAHA

The bottom line is that we see your sorry pedophile ass on here trying to drag gay people into your sick perversion. Homosexuality has nothing to do with Pedophilia. Your pedophilia is a crime and a mental condition. Stop trying to link that with homosexuality. They don't go together anymore than heterosexuality and pedophilia go together.

Dumb fucks like you are the reason why up until 2015 openly gay men could not be Boy Scout leaders. Gay men are still looked at sideways by many when they want to be leaders. And do you know how hard it is for gays to adopt in many states because of the homosexual tropes you are promoting. Your crazy ass should be ashamed.

If you wanna be a pedophile, that is between you and the criminal justice system. Leave the rest of us out of it!

R138 / R139 IS such a stupid bitch, he doesn't even know what Stockholm Syndrome is. Did you hear that today on Dr. Phil as you sashayed your fat ass around your efficiency apartment this morning and decided to try the phrase out on DataLounge? HAHAHAHA!

YOU STUPID PEDOPHILE BIIIIIIIITCH!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA

R142 your whole comment makes no sense whatsoever like it was written by a deranged lunatic, which you are.

R144 Keep telling yourself that. We all see you are a pedophile! Gays are not supporting your criminal behavior. That is some sick shit! Your little stunt to infiltrate this thread to garner support for pedophilia has backfired. Just take the L and move on! HAHAHAHA!

Oh great. "King"/ /Ancient White Fags Troll has invaded the thread.

R142 is the only pedophile on here. Get the fuck off of here, cunt.

R147 Nobody here supports your pedophile agenda. Go back to NAMBLA. We don't care about your kind.

She must have ran out of free Baja Fresh coupons and needs cash.

R148 is NAMBLA. Time to block another Janbot puppet account, cunt.

150 Go away loser! Nobody wants to talk to a pedophile anyway. Go back to the dark net where you belong.

James DeBarge looked good in that documentary.

R152 Yes he did. Janet definitely has a "type."

Well except for Jermaine Dupri! I don't know what the hell happened there...😮🙄

So heartbreaking to see Regina King after what she's recently endured.

R154 Yep even though this was filmed well in advance, it was still very sad seeing Regina, knowing what she is going through with her recently deceased son. It was nice to see that Janet publicly reached out to her with condolences.

The Harder They Fall wasn't THAT bad. She'll bounce back with Shirley and get another Oscar.

Rene Elizondo looks like he's packing A Big One.

R153: She took a break from the light pretty boys after all the drama they put her through. Then, after Dupri, she went back to the pretty Saudi prince for even more drama.

r152 & r157 all video of James and Rene in this documentary is over 20 or more years old. They are both old geezers now.

Oh you're right. I just googled James and he looks awful now.

That family was taught to lie, I don't believe much of what she says.

They have to lie to protect the gravy train. Katherine gives the other out of work siblings allowances from Michael's estate. I know Jermaine gets money to pay his alimony and child support payments (which must be a fortune every month with all of those ex-wives and kids) and La Toya gets $30,000 a month.

All that money and Toy can't even pay the rent for her dead do-nothing omnimedia company Ja-Tail Enterprises which is clearly a money laundering scheme since she's the only artist signed to the company.

[quote]All that money and Toy can't even pay the rent for her dead do-nothing omnimedia company Ja-Tail Enterprises which is clearly a money laundering scheme since she's the only artist signed to the company.

r162 Gurl I cant, not money laundering 🤣

And re:Jermaine, most of his kids have got to be grown by now with their own damn kids (the Jackson brothers are all old enough to be granddads!) unless he had yet another set of children.

Jermaine adult children are living off their dead pedo uncle fortunes. Most of Michael adult niceces and nephews are been paid by his estate and including the ones he allegedly molested.

Does the Michael Jackson estate really have that much money? He had tons of legal expenses, and he wasted crazy amounts of money on garbage and random useless shit.

Death is a very lucrative business

r165, he was in the red before he died in 2009, but his estate has indeed made a massive fortune since his death. The estate executors John McClain and John Branca are the some of the best executives in the music business and they have worked with the Jacksons for decades. Michael and his hanger-ons were the ones creating all that debt, once he was gone they totally turned everything around.

I watched parts 1-3 last night. I’ve always liked Janet, but her music so much. I never understood why nipplegate was such a thing. No one I know was offended. I do think it was an accident. She seems to be someone that has not let fame get to her. I feel sorry for her because she seemed to share all the brunt of nipplegate.

About Janet's secret adult daughter---Which of her siblings have a daughter that would be the right age? Look at her married siblings who have adult children. If the secret adult daughter exists, she likely would have been given to one of Janet's siblings to raise and publicly passed off as the child of Janet's sibling. Which of Janet's "nieces" fit the bill in terms of age?

That nipple ring looked heavy and it was meant to be seen. She’s still lying and covering up for Justin T.

Joe the father constantly belittled Michael about his wide nose and acne. I can believe MJ belittled Janet about her weight.

Katherine is in charge of the money, so the truth about Joe won’t come out until K dies. K would be upset if anyone told all about Joe.

Everyone should only call Janet Slut-hog. It is the most perfect name for her cuz she is a slut and a hog. Genius.

r169 Her name is Tiffany, and she went on Inside Edition with the DeBarge mom a few years ago.

R172 Thanks! What does she look like? Did she not go into music like her family? Who raised her?

Even though this article is poorly written they credibly assert that the Janet baby rumor is a LIE. Nobody in Janet's family (even without the plastic surgery) or the DeBarge family looks like this ugly bitch. "Tiffany" or whatever her name is, LIED.

R184: Obviously that ugly Tiffany gal was lying lol..

This woman - Stevannia Jackson is her rumored daughter.

R174, And this article says it is TRUE. Randy raised her daughter as his own🤷‍♂️ She does look like Janet.

Rebbie could squash the baby rumors by simply releasing the pics of herself in the hospital shortly after said child was birthed.

Janet's medium brown (not dark) and James DeBarge is a fair-skinned biracial man. So the daughter could not be darker-skinned than Janet as genetics don't work that way. Two dark-skinned parents can have a light baby but not vice versa.

The pretty light-skinned girl in R176 is the most likely Janet's child.

R174 Tiffany looks like Shirley Q. Liquor.

I just finished binge watching this, and while there were a few insights and revelations, I didn't get the sense that Janet was being truly authentic. She told the stories she wanted to tell, and that was it.

The most revealing parts were the home movies Renee had taken throughout their time together. That's the only time I really felt like I was getting a window into her real life.

And is Jimmy Jam ill? He's lost a TON of weight, but he doesn't look healthy. And why didn't he take his sunglasses off?