Harry and Meghan Planning to Move

Maybe they're coming back to the UK. I wouldn't put it past Megs, she likes putting the cat among the pigeons.

Oprah markled her. How could she go on living in that neighborhood?

There's no way they can afford to maintain a $14 million home.

They probably hope their name means they can sell it at an inflated price..

Meghan wanted that house so they bought that house.

Now Meghan has decided she wants to move to another house.

Harry is just along for the ride and to bring his chequebook.

I'm thinking Nutmeg has her eye on this...

Wow the Christmas card shows the whole family and the royal family will be happy that both children are whiter than they expected.

We have a lovely room for her in the Tower of London.

I'm over the moon with this for them:

Silly twat. If you want to sell a house well you leak tidbits saying how much you love the house but admit that you are just dying to do another renovation. You don’t admit you bought the wrong house in the wrong location, dingbat,

OMG SOMETHING THAT MIGHT GET ME SOME REPLIES. I HAVE TO HURRY AND POST IT NO MATTER HOW STUPID.

This is already being discussed at length on the Rumour Harry Has Left Meghan thread.

OP You're late to the party.

"Whatever Meghan wants, Meghan gets!"

OP is triggered by this possible move.

I'm from LA and was up with a friend for the weekend in SB over the summer. We drove past Harry & Meghans. It's in a little subdivision with a gate into the neighborhood, but the gate looks ornamental as it was wide open and easy to drive through. The houses were nowhere near the level of Oprah's or Ellen's, which are on their own private gated properties with no direct neighbors. Harry and Meghan's gate was covered in green canvas tarp material and there were cameras everywhere. It's grade B Montecito and if by neighbors with Oprah they mean living in the same town, then yes that is true. But they can't just walk over to borrow a cup of sugar,

Another poster posted in a Royal thread that he had heard that Harry and Meghan are heading for a divorce based on gossip from a friend who works for the royals. Bathtub of salt but after reading that the other day and then seeing them planning to move, things could be interesting. Harry hated LA living in Tyler Perry's La Quinta Inn replica in Beverly Hills Post Office and Harry doesn't seem to be loving Montecito either. Maybe NYC?

Nobody with good sense gives a damn about these grifters. Pusssy whipped Harry and narcissistic Meghan, gag a maggot.

Harry is totally whipped

The truth is, Harry really belongs in Britain. He's a fish out of water in Meghan's milieu. If he'd come to terms with his anger and his past and his loss, he'd have been able to see what a great and comfortable life he and his family could have had, with so much cut ready to hand and the way smoothed by all that staff and deference.

He just couldn't get there, just couldn't see past his resentment and anger. He just kept acting out instead of growing up

Meanwhile, if the story is true, Archie will have gone from Frogmore Cottage, to the Russian oligarch's place in Canada, to Tyler Perry's vast place in L.A., to the Montecito place, and now another one - before he's three years old.

Compare that to the stable life of the Cambridge kids, with doting grandparents on both sides, two homes and local roots in both areas, already forming traditions.

Sad, really.

Harry's a mess. It's a family like any other.

How often do you think Harry plunges Meghan's clunge? Meghan strikes me as someone who goes sexless once the marriage and baby happen. I bet Harry is not get his family jewels serviced often.

I wonder if it's really true that they plan to move. It's a huge property. I'm guessing it's kind of boring to live there, though. Oprah and Ellen are 20-30 years older than Harry / Meghan and are at a different stage of life. I would also agree that Harry feels like a fish out of water.

Just as the Markles were always planning to move to the U.S. (this was always the end game despite the H&M lies), they inflated their worth to the public and were always planning to "flip" this oversized monstrosity of a home for two adults and two kids. They want to flip it and make a bundle if possible. Markle leaves no stone unturned in her pursuit of money. This house is future income to them. Markle is ruthless; Harry is learning to be the same. He just needed a 'mommy' figure to guide him on the path to lies and deception. It's not that selling a house is a bad thing, it's just that Harry and Markle are full of shit and lies in everything they do--always with an ulterior motive that eventually surfaces.

Isn't Harry just kinda dumb?

They spent quite a bit of money ($2 mil) fixing up Frogmore Cottage, . I think they did plan on staying there. Meghan is from CA. Maybe a good compromise would be NYC, which would be a simple flight to England for Harry.

These two make me sick, and I sure as hell ain't movin' to NYC!

This entitled bitch. Her ass was living in a shitty rental apartment just a few years ago and how grade b Montecito isn't good enough for her? Fuck her with a wood splintered broomstick.

Hazza is coming back to the UK as his nan is dying. He didn't get his grandpapa's stuff the last time. I don't think he wants to miss it this time.

Seems like a lovely place to raise two growing tots.

Maybe they want to flip houses for profit with the cache' that 'Harry & Meghan lived here'.

Maybe they want to get two smaller places. One smaller home in Montecito, and one in LA so they are a hop, skip, and a jump away from all the awards shows that they hope will invite them.

R24, I’ll never believe she had a single intention of living at Frogmore. If you look at the stories after the wedding, you’ll see the tale. There were articles claiming that the Queen was giving them a property as a wedding gift. First it was York Cottage. Then it was Adelaide Cottage a month later. Wow, Queen Elizabeth sure is fickle about which property she wanted to give them. And took months deciding, too!

I think the couple was negotiating for something more grand, like Anmer Hall, and as with the wedding tiara, the Queen said “You’ll take what you’re given. Frogmore or nothing.” If that’s not exactly what happened, I’ll eat my hat. I’m also sure that petulant Meghan made elaborate and expensive demands for renovation and then barely deigned to grace the hovel with her presence. We are all familiar with the high-maintenance friend who’s a picky eater. They’ll detail the exact way they want the chef to prepare their food and send it back three times because it’s not right and pout and say they’ll just eat bread and don’t dare charge them for the three steaks they cut a single piece from. That’s what happened at Frogmore.

The source who says they are moving also says they are planning to stay in the area.

[quote]The source who says they are moving also says they are planning to stay in the area.

sMEGs probably lied to her pal/source. Or maybe she forgot to tell the truth.

They probably never thought they'd have to reimburse the $2 million for fixing up Frogmore Cottage.

The Daily Fail story shows two completely different properties. Which one is is Harkle Manse?

Why would you think they would want to move back to the UK? California is so much better.

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I hope those stupid cunts try New York. You can’t just sidestep the peons. They’re everywhere and they do not care who you think you are.

I will have [bold]ORDER!!![/bold]

R24, those were public funds, repaid only after an outcry when they left the UK. I assume Charles repaid the sum.

I've found the perfect home for a family of four in Manhattan! Plus it's got a great location!

[quote] The keys to Frogmore Cottage in Windsor were later handed to Princess Eugenie, who is living there with husband Jack Brooksbank and their son August.

I read that Eugenie and her husband were told "uh, no way tootsies" not long after they moved in and were forced to move out.

No matter where they'll end up living, they're still assholes.

End of the year, their property taxes are due. Bet they're paying a fortune they can't afford on that place.

They're broke. Simple as that.

Exactly, r44. What is their actual income? Yes, they have "deals" with Netflix or whomever, worth "up to" a zillion dollars, but the kind of content they are talking about producing is not going to bring in a lot of money. The books Harry is set to publish will be lucrative, but not enough to sustain a lifestyle in this house. They've got two kids now, and their expenses must be enormous.

Maybe they’ll movie to Canada. Probably can afford a small castle there

Plus Canada accepts the British monarch as its own. Elizabeth II is Queen of Canada. Harry will love that.

Dear Meghan,

Wherever you go, there you are.

As ever,

Can some of you not read? The article clearly said THEY WANT TO STAY IN THE SAME AREA!

And clap it with all this ignorant conjecture about their financial condition. None of you know one thing about how much money they have.

R49, you’re right. We don’t know how close to penniless they really are. They might have a few hundred grand left. We really don’t know.

When they bought the current property, rumor was that they bought it to hold it for a short time and then sell at a profit. Supposedly people would be eager to buy the house that was once lived in by them.

Could what is now being suggested by this current "report" be the next part of the tale?

Seriously, who'd want to buy this atrocity of a house?

[quote] And clap it with all this ignorant conjecture about their financial condition. None of you know one thing about how much money they have.

Wow, you're right. I never thought about it that way. You seem wise. Can you provide us a list of topics that we are-- and are not-- allowed to discuss?

Seems like property taxes, insurance, upkeep, security and maintenance would be upwards of $1,000,000 a year….not to mention including a mortgage payment if it was financed. That’s a tough nut to cover.

I don't foresee a huge markup in price based on Harry & Meghan having lived there for a relatively short time.

The taxes alone must be astronomical. I’m cracking up, thinking about how much they bit off, thinking they’d be able to chew it.

I think it’s part of that prosperity doctrine/manifestation thing she seems to have been raised with. Buy the mansion; people will throw money at you because they think you’re successful already. Someone somewhere said this; Meghan believes in the fake it till you make it, dress for the job you want, if you build it they will come. I say, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and don’t count your chickens.

Harry made it pretty clear in the Oprah interview that he had to dip into principal (money from Diana) in order to move, buy the house, etc.

But but but, excuse me!

r5 But i suspect his chequebook is a lot smaller than she had realized or hoped....

You NEVER touch the principal. Surely someone explained this to him at some point, no?

No, because he thought Daddy would pay for everything for the rest of his life. No doubt the reason Prince Charles stopped taking his phone calls.

How much do you think Harry is making at his new job? It sounds massively impressive!

"So explain Prince Harry's role. What is a chief impact officer?"

Robichaux: We came to the title together. We were organically having these conversations how the mission of BetterUp is bigger than BetterUp. He's been doing this work in his own life for years. We can change the global dialogue to not think of mental health as the absence of mental illness, but to think about mental health as performance and realizing your potential. That is a huge global impact that BetterUp can be part of. He can keep us accountable and also accelerate that by expanding our global community, reach, and influencing everything from our product experience to helping partner with companies and organizations globally to expand our impact around the world.

She probably told him what all spendy losers love to say: you’ve got to spend money to make money.

Critics will look at this and say it's a great whopping PR stunt. When you look at the Oprah Winfrey interview, do you worry he could be a distraction for the broader business?

Robichaux: I think the main thing is sure, we'll take the PR. That's not why we started working with Prince Harry. His insight and unique experiences is hard to put into words. That's where we're focused and designed the role around.

It's sad Meghan's blowing through the money Diana left for Harry. Especially since it was supposed to be his financial cushion so he wouldn't have to do exactly what he's doing now. She must be spinning in her grave.

What a cunt Markle is.

R65 I'm sure his insight and expertise are extremely hard to put into words, ROFL

R66 I loved that part too. Talk about bullshit jobs.

[quote] it was supposed to be his financial cushion so he wouldn't have to do exactly what he's doing now.

Excellent point, and it is sad.

What a monumental cock-up.

They probably met through their same dealer.

If only he listened to the people who love him most.

[quote]They spent quite a bit of money ($2 mil) fixing up Frogmore Cottage, . I think they did plan on staying there.

R24. The Markles never planned on staying at Frogmore Cottage. They wanted something much grander. They conceded to Frogmore Cottage because they were told they were not getting anything else. So, they had to pretend they were going to live there; and therefore went through the motions of remodeling and renovations. Markle didn't care what it cost to renovate. They never dreamed they would have to pay anything back. At that time when they made the decision to renovate, Harry and Markle were conspiring together to craft their half in/half out scheme. They went ahead with the renovations so that they could use Frogmore Cottage as their home base when back in England and have a $3 million dollar home all renovated when they came back for a visit or two now and then.

However, the queen put a kibosh on their half in/half out plans. She said either you're in or you're out, but there will be no halfway arrangement. And that's when Harry and Markle decided they would "step back" and leave altogether.

Frogmore Cottage was already renovated by then. There was still in-fighting within the family about half in/half out, and no doubt they were likely throwing temper tantrums behind-the-scenes about wanting it their way. The queen (along with Charles and William) once again said NO at the famous "Summit at Sandringham." But again, they never dreamed they would have to pay back the money for the renovations. So, $2-$3 million blew up in the Markles' face, and they had to turn over the money for reimbursement even though they had settled in California.

All his life he’s been told where to be and what to do and aside from the Army where it’s the norm, he resented it. But he’s not self-motivated, otherwise he would’ve broken away on his own. Now he’s got Megs telling him but it’s all fuzzy wuzzy mumbo jumbo stuff about feelings. He’s really more of an action guy. Pity.

I thought I raised this girl with a gift for the grift, but she's been fuckin up left and right since before she even walked down the aisle! Anyway, I probably shouldn't say, but shit! Just like the home in Canada, as well as the one owned by Tyler Perry - THEY DON'T *OWN (hint) THIS HOUSE EITHER! Mmm hm - she puttin us out, y'all....

So, since DM just got called out, doubt they would be pulling this out of nowhere.

Are H&M(as in the low-end clothing chain they happen to share initials with) doing an after the Holiday markdown sale? Like do they really imagine they know anything about flipping real estate? Maybe Meghan's close bud Ellen can advise them?

So glad I got a new popcorn popper for Christmas.

[quote] So, since DM just got called out, doubt they would be pulling this out of nowhere.

Yes its very unlikely that a gossip rag is printing gossip.

[quote] It's [bold]fitting and well deserved[/bold] Meghan's blowing through the money Diana left for Harry. Especially since it was supposed to be his financial cushion so he wouldn't have to do exactly what he's doing now.

FIFY

As others have said, they are going to sell because they are burning through money and their post-royal life is not as lucrative as all their PR blurbs are made to make us think. If they were truly as wealthy as they want us to believe they are, they'd just buy a second house somewhere else. Seriously though, this mansion is far bigger than anything they would've gotten as royals. Outside of the monarch, the less lavish your accommodation. Allegedly, Meghan thought living in an apartment at Kengsinton was too "common" and she had her eye on Frogmore House not cottage, but the Queen gave her the cottage which is a large house not a cottage.

I saw photos of Frogmore Cottage. I'd be happy to live there, but I can see why it was disappointing to Harry / Meghan.

However, this Montecito house is over the top, kind of ridiculous. How much money could Harry have?

In California, property tax is capped at 1% of the appraised market value of the property (or the last sale price), thanks to the infamous Proposition 13 passed by voters in 1978 (the first year I voted, and I voted "yes" on it).

I mean, I'm not exactly "over the moon" about where I live either, but you don't see me generating international headlines about it.

Frogmore Cottage has something like eight bedrooms and sits on a massive private park (something like 700 acres) that is part of the Windsor grounds. Most sane people would be very happy there.

R79 It's not just property taxes, upkeep, security, staff, PR etc. They ain't living cheaply so downsizing is probably going to be done out of necessity.

Dickie Mountbatten's family lived in Frogmore Cottage late 1800s/early 20thcentury. He was born in the house.

she will bleed him dry and leave him and then sue him for child support. he will be bald, broke and banished from the UK.

no pussy - even swirl pussy - is worth that.

Frogmore House was never on offer. It's a tourist attraction and more of a venue than a home.

The cottage, however, had "only" 5 bedrooms. It was a disappointment because it was their only home, and they wanted what the Cambridges were given: a grand residence in London and a real country home. Windsor isn't the country. The estate the Queen gave the Cambridges is much classier, very stately with 10 bedrooms. It's on the Sandringham estate in Norfolk, which the Queen owns personally, so she paid personally for the renovations, it didn't come out of public funds.

And, of course, one day Sandringham will come to William, just like Balmoral, so him raising his family there makes sense.

The Sussexes were angry, mulish, and oppositional from the beginning. Meghan really thought she and her kids should get everything the future King and his kids should get. They were already sh ou wing signs of not staying the course in the first few months of marriage.

She alienated William and Kate right off the bat, so William wanted them nowhere near his family, and that adjacent grand apartment in KP was off the table and instead is going to be turned into reception rooms and offices for the Cambridges.

Meghan and Harry forgot the first maxim of getting what you want: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

They tried to play a twisted hand of belligerence, self-righteousness, and hard done by, and were then outraged when the Queen didn't lavish upon them the same privileges as the Cambridges.

They actually tried to get the Queen to give them their own quarters in Windsor Castle itself, as the castle is only a half-mile from Frogmore. Naturally, she refused.

Their hubris is breathtaking. In the end, it cost them the whole royal shooting match. And, as it becomes ever clearer that no one cares tuppence about them beyond their royal identities, they're stuck flogging an increasingly tired horse. And keep hustling their arses for money.

And then they were shocked

She'd have killed for the big apartment in Kensington Palace. It was 22 rooms and would have been grandly refitted for them, just as with the Cambridges and at the exclusive heart of the happenin' capital.

[quote] he will be bald, broke and banished from the UK

Nah. The first two, perhaps, but not the third. Without Meghan, the family will always take him back.

[quote] His insight and unique experiences is hard to put into words.

Hahahahahaha, this is making my day, thx!

[quote] She alienated William and Kate right off the bat, so William wanted them nowhere near his family, and that adjacent grand apartment in KP was off the table and instead is going to be turned into reception rooms and offices for the Cambridges.

When they moved out of the cottage at KP, the French Ambassador who lived on Kensington Palace Gardens (the next street over from Kensington Palace) remarked that they (H&M) had been lively while they lived there with lots of parties, etc. (Apparently M's subsequent "poor isolated me" tales don't match the statements of the French Ambassador.)

Another reason why William would not want them living in the big apartment that shared walls (and connecting doors) with the Cambridge family home.

Nobody likes noisy neighbors.

Here's one of the links (there are several others) quoting the French Ambassador.

R88 Meghan also went on private trips to Amsterdam and New York while she a working royal (despite claims they took her passport).

And the South of France (Elton John), and Italy (the Clooneys).

Guess I married the wrong prince.

You would never have had any chance with me, toots.

Never in a million years would William be allowed to marry someone like that.

Now, what we "know" about Meghan, do we think she's going to write a book? Of course.

Some of the Harkle fans are delusional. Get a load of what they posted.

King Archie? Princess Lilly? Queen Doria? WTF?

R95, that’s obviously a joke. The calendar is making fun of them.

Have they really "learned" anything?

If they have learned anything, they'll be quite boring. Their only real appeal is their commitment to fucking up at full speed.

R94 US Weekly is far from being a reliable source. That being said, these two need to move on from the "bitter ex-royal phase" and do something new to prove themselves. Truth: It has been two years since they quit the royal fold (well originally the had intended to be part-time working royals, but when the Queen said no, they changed their story and and then tattle-taled to Oprah) and what have they actually done? I can't think of a single program, charity, or cause they've actually been involved in beyond superficial PR statements and self-promotion. Meghan has been involved with paid leave, but that turned into a farce and has caused more controversy than good.

In the same amount of time, William and Catherine have launched new projects and expanded their charitable endeavours. Ironically, despite the whole Meghan and Harry interview and Andrew's shit, 2021 actually was a good year for the royals at least in the UK. Meghan and Harry's connection to the royals seem to be the only thing they've got and it's already running out of steam. Meghan has been proved a liar in the British courts, Harry also through the emails to Jason Knauff so it casts more doubts over any accusations they make. The only reason we are still talking about H&M is because the media still think this is a money making story, but beyond ardent royalists or Harkle supporters, most people are tired of them. Their self-life in the US is likely longer, because Americans are still obsessed with royals and Diana too, but even then it's wearing thin. And Meghan writing a book about the royals his fucking hysterical given she was only within the royals for what 18 months and only performed 72 engagements.

Egh, I don’t even care about any famous people doing “charity” work. It’s all virtue signaling and PR, anyway. But if they do have one cause that they’re passionate about and stick with it for years, I can muster up a little respect. At least Harry had his Invictus thing. Jumping from one to the other is fake and everyone knows it.

Meghan is going to wind up like Corey Feldman, Bobby Trendy or Kato Kaelin; flogging the same ancient connection to someone infamous.

Haven't their neighbors basically shunned them?

She never stays anywhere long.

Meghan thought marrying Harry would be the ultimate in upward social mobility. Turns out she pulled Harry down to her tacky reality TV celeb level.

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R103 I was just going to post that. Yup so they are broke and $50K is a joke. They are likely going to start spilling a lot more [probably invented] dirt on the royals for money. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Oprah interview (as the conducted it) was a mistake. Bitching about the royals publicly has bit the hand the feeds them, made them controversial, and destroyed any chance of renewing connection with the royals whom they need to stay relevant long-term.

The fact is that absolutely NO ONE in the entire world was ever going to be interested in them beyond what they were supposed to be, and what he was raised to be. And now that they're not that anymore, the people have no use for them. Of course, he was appearing to welcome this change to his life. They want the privilege$ without the duty because people were being mean to themand now I'm stuck like Chuck! Awwww....

I hope she does write a nasty tell-all. I’d read it. Not that I’d believe a word, but it would be fun. She should write a roman à clef.

The foundation funding is the real clue to the Harkles' dilemma: if they had the pull they clearly expected to have, big name celebrities and corporations would have been lining up to make contributions.. They'd have been lining up to get their names on the letterhead as Directors (which, by the way, the foundation clearly doesn't have).

The Royal Foundation, now entirely the Cambridges' foundation, is rolling in big bucks and gave $500,000 to Invictus.

Kate and William have raised, attracted, or given more money to charities, especially mental health charities, than Meghan and Harry ever will in their lifetimes.

Meghan and Harry are frauds. They're all smoke and mirrors, and the stupidest thing they've ever done is leave the one arena in which they could have hidden that from the world. Once they left that arena, the rest of the world realised quickly that they were smoke and mirrors.

All that noise and "friends" like mega rich Oprah and Serena and Foster and Uncle Elton and the fucking billionaire Clooneys . . . and they couldn't even raise $1 million in start-up funding?!

That's $75,000 less than an old friend of mine in New York raised from the senior partners at a white shoe law firm 20 years ago to start a pro bono legal organization to help the poor get better representation in the court system. Just from contributions from the senior partners - $125,000. The organization started in two rented offices, and now has offices in all five boroughs, a budget of $25 million, staff lawyers, and a cadre of big law firms as partners. My friend should have a statue at the top of those steps to the court you see in Law and Order on Centre Street in downtown Manhattan.

That's the real way you change the world. Not with the trendy self-promoting hot air bullshit the Harkles' foundation brags about.

I think that, so far, the "We are speechless" shit they put up when the earthquake hit Haiti and the withdrawal from Afghanistan were occurring takes the biscuit on that score.

No wonder Catherine Saint Laurent left in less than a year.

There are GoFundMes for cats who need surgery who get more donations than $50,000.

r108 That made me giggle!!

Meghan has reportedly agreed to a £1 settlement with the Daily Mail after winning the breach of privacy case. In most cases like this, usually a settlement would be in the range of £75k to £100k! I'm wondering if the Mail's legal team cut a deal with Meghan's representation claiming they had more damaging information they'd be willing to print if they had to pay a full settlement?

Why would the DM cut any deal about that? If they had juicy staff on the Harkles they would use it in a heartbeat, they would make far more revenue from it then anything they'd have to pay out to Meghan.

If a deal was in fact cut, it wasn't at Meghan's behest. It would be at the behest of Charles or the BRF, looking to protect Harry and their relations with him. Which would mean it would be damaging information indeed.

R110 & R111 Commentators in the British Press are indeed suggesting there is more to this, that something went down behind the seems to "force" Meghan to accept what is beyond a joke of a settlement.

I seem to remember she was asking for the newspapers cut of the revenue on her stories they made during all this court nonsense as damages, or something along those lines. I wonder if she tallied her own PR releases into that figure.

Well, if they want to "downsize" to only five bedrooms in the same area, here's a place for them but it will still set them back 33 million.

I suspect anything behind the scenes was within the context of the lawsuit. Perhaps to argue the five friends and Jason Knaupf should have to give evidence, and on the facts, a summary judgment was inappropriate. It comes down to lawyers suggesting you minimize risk.

From the Wash Post

But the court added that a “confidential sum agreed between the parties” will be paid by the tabloid’s publisher for copyright infringement. That secret sum could be quite high, legal observers say.

Meghan’s side insists that overall payout was much more than “just £1.” A spokeswoman for the duchess told The Post the publisher agreed to pay a “substantial” sum for copyright infringement and that this will be donated to charity. The Mail will also be on the hook for paying Meghan’s legal fees — which are estimated to exceed $2 million.

[quote]A spokeswoman for the duchess told The Post the publisher agreed to pay a “substantial” sum for copyright infringement and that this will be donated to charity.

We'll be waiting for the receipts on that dubious throw away comment.

Re the Washington Post, we all know that when a newspaper cays 'could', it means 'won't.

Maybe this is more to Meghan's liking.

Incorrect r116. They are responsible for a PORTION of her fees, not all of them. UK law is quite different than ours. She's not getting any big payout.

I bet they'll move to NYC. She obviously moved to LA to try to get traction for a movie career and it didn't happen. And she has to compete with A list movie stars for attention. The bar is lower in NYC.

She will move to a location more conducive to pap strolls.

Then when she or her children are photographed she will scream bloody murder and sue.

Their livelihood relies heavily on suing at every opportunity. They have no discernible talent or area of expertise with which to support themselves.

Lady Colin Campbell claimed a little while ago that the neighbors hated them. I saw the thread title and started skimming but stopped once I saw the words "klan" and "granny" jump out just a few posts in and didn't see the nature of their complaints. I imagine if neighbors had issues, it wasn't necessarily personal (though you never know), but the looky loos and crowds they attracted and logistical annoyances caused by their security and entourages led to headaches in a previously low key area. Maybe they were gently given a message that their presence was disruptive

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[quote] Kate celebrates turning 40 in intimate and timeless new portraits that any Hollywood A-lister would be proud of

The DM at its best again, throwing shade like a boss.

I love Kate's portraits, particularly the soft, dreamy, antique quality of the black-and-white ones.

I love the black-and-white photos too. Especially the one in profile. Beautiful!

From the DM:

[quote] With a sense of timeless Hollywood glamour, the heavily stylised shoot offers a true celebration of what it means to be a woman at 40.

Megs must be seething with rage, hahaha.

I don't care for the one in red.

If nothing else,H+M are certainly fun to watch implode.

The third b/w profile shot is the best but the top two don’t really look like her, something about the shape of the face looks off. Forehead too narrow? It’s strange.

I love Kate's photos, though I have to say the b&w one where she's facing the camera is very early 90s "glamour shots"

All 3 photos are beautiful.

R129 Is that you Meghan???

'Lady Colin Campbell claimed a little while ago that the neighbors hated them. I saw the thread title and started skimming but stopped once I saw the words "klan" and "granny" jump out just a few posts in and didn't see the nature of their complaints. '

Lady Colin Campbell - Klan Granny CEO.

[quote] Maybe they were gently given a message that their presence was disruptive.

Maybe they were, but it’s Meghan’s MO to ignore gentle messages and subtle hints. She bulldozes everyone and does what she wants. She’s bold as anything and even when told quite directly, she does not care. There are several examples of this.

If they’re moving, it’s not because of the (racist and misogynist, surely!) neighbors delicately snubbing them.

In many rich communities you don’t actually interact at all with your neighbors. You likely have contact info in case there is an external emergency (tree falls, fire, etc) but for the most part you ignore each other.

Actual friends are for socializing, not people who live nearby.

Tom Bower, whose book on Meghan is due out next year, spills some tea here! Meghan was a temperamental cunt to staff throwing regular tantrums. And great observation here: "Kate has learned that the media invariably consumes those who seek to control their own image."

Oh, the Sun is really rubbing it in…

When is Bower's book coming out?

Ooohhhh maybe Meghan will sue The SUN and Bower over this!

Love the tea about the crying allegations...according to Bower 100% it was Kate who cried over disagreement about Charlotte and the wedding and that were witnesses and Bower is claiming Meghan outright lied in her interview with Oprah about Kate making her cry. Additionally, he claims that the proof Kate has not authorized anyone to speak (or leak) the real details of the events proves that Meghan and Harry's claims that W&K were leaking stories about them is 100% bogus. He goes after Omid Scobie too ...can't wait for the book!

There was a post online from a woman who was a seamstress working on Meghan's wedding dress at Givenchy and she claimed Meghan and her horse-faced bestie - the Canadian, don't remember her name - were outright bullying Charlotte for some reason and encouraging horse-face's bratty daughter to bully her too.

She pointed out Meghan was so impossible they could never get the dress properly fitted because Meghan would fly into rages. As her wedding dress effectively didn't fit her and hurt Givenchy's image and the designer ultimately lost her job, I'm thinking that's a true story.

R143, it certainly did have the ring of truth. Not difficult to imagine. Regular women become Bridezillas, so it makes perfect sense that Meghan would be at least as difficult; the stakes were pretty high.

We were told repeatedly by the Sussex fans that Meghan and Harry had won out over William and Catherine because Harry and Meghan were living in a California paradise. Shame Harry and Meghan weren’t over the moon about it.

R143 I remember reading that on tumblr, and it was quickly passed around to the point that even the royal YouTubers picked it up. It was proceeded by an anon asking how to submit a long post regarding "tea", and still remain anonymous. For those not familiar with tumblr when you submit an ask to an account you're limited in space, but if you have an account you can submit practically a novel, and the actual original post was quite long.

Was the novel proposed in a different language and then verbosely translated, r146.?

Not sure how your declaration makes another contention invalid? 🤔

The Bower book is going to bury her.

The seamstress' story was detailed enough to be very believable. And Meghan treating all the seamstresses - who are greater 'artists' than Markle is - like shit is very telling.

R149, The other part of the story, her pitting the other bridesmaids against Charlotte also rang true.

Sounded like her modus operandi. Similar to stories that have come out about her behavior in high school. Getting a group of students to pick on one target and make that person's life miserable.

We all know what she is.

Meghan's face on Kate's 40th birthday photo.

R152, what the fuck?! Who did this?

R153 - Desperate Jealous Sugars = Sussex Squad

Meghan with Kate’s hair - it’s all she ever dreamed of. But the picture, like Meghan’s hair, is fake.

That’s insane.

I bet she printed it out and put it on her vision board.

The sugars don't mind her being white as a sheet of paper in this pic, eh?

R 152. HAHAHA. That is Meghan's ultimate fantasy to somehow put her part of her face on Kate's body & especially hair. Really sad to have so much self hatred to bleach your skin, straighten & cheap 'xtension your hair to change how you look.

Whoever altered this is playing into the narrative that Meghan ala natural is visually inferior to Kate. She really isn't. Sad both Meghan & her stans have bought into this stupid, antiquated racist narrative. They lose their own argument. The photos of her as a child were adorable. Shame on their own racism & anti black is beautiful stand. With even a smidgen odfacceptance & good styling she would glow & be so radiant. Look at Lena Horne, Lady Day, Halle Berry, Dame Shirley Bassey, Lupita Nyong'o, Oprah even.

Come on Meg, I know you read here sometimes- get yourself a sexy adorable shorter hairstyle, you’ll start a trend and make Kate look dated. You might even break the Internet. Do it!

R159, there is no need to bring up the “skin whitening” (no proof at all she did that) or the hair straightening, etc. You’re the epitome why the term Klan Granny was created. Accusing others of racism while being blatantly racist yourself.

I don’t think MM bleached her skin. But she definitely has straightened her hair.

R162 I mean....duh

The duh should be for r161 suggesting that anyone who claims MM straightens her hair is racist.

R164, take a look at r159’s post. It’s part of the same theme.

[quote][R159], there is no need to bring up the “skin whitening” (no proof at all she did that) or the hair straightening, etc. You’re the epitome why the term Klan Granny was created. Accusing others of racism while being blatantly racist yourself.

Could you make the same claim about Harper's Royal correspondent, Omid Scobie, and his changing skin tones?

Who mentioned Omid Scobie?

R166 did, R167. As Scobie is Meghan's mouthpiece I would assume that they have the same views and values.

I'm not sure what Omid is going to do when nobody wants to hear about Meghan anymore. It's not like any of the other royals will ever want to associate with him.

R168, no one was taking about Omid Scobie. R166 brought him up randomly.

I'm guessing Obie's hoping his link to Meghan will land him a job in Hollywood. She can't even get a job in Hollywood so he's deluded.

As I said, R166 was talking about Scobie, R167.

Are you policing who can say what in this thread?

Omid's next best move is to say he is transitioning & ride that bus for a bit.

I have a dream. A dream of a day when we are not judged by the color of our skin, but by the cuntitude of our character.

I don't care what they do as long as it's over there, in the colonies.

Meghan looked like a little rat faced child. Her behavior was the same.

Is Scobie even their mouthpiece anymore? Wasn't there a recent announcement that no one will speak for the Duke and Duchess of Montecito except for what they release on their own website? I think it might just be "unnamed sources" but I hope it also means Scoobie.

R177 - That's quite interesting, actually. The thing is, though, that Scobie is an employee of Harper's BAZAAR, not Archewell. If Scobie suddenly stops commenting on media stories about the Sussexes, he's making it clear that he takes his orders from them, and not his employer and he's not doing part of his job because the Sussexes told him not to; or, if he does comment on the stories, that he no longer has that "inside track" that made what he said look like it came directly from the Sussexes. And that's all that got him his career in the first place.

Scobie completely changed his face. Meghan certainly does straighten her hair, as early photos and her own comments about it prove, but I never heard anything about skin bleaching, that's nonsense. As it is, lots of people didn't even realise she was mixed race and thought she was a Latina, or Greek, or southern Italian.

That Meghan identifies as white and leans white is perfectly obvious. She's never evidence any interest in black culture, black men, and until she got famous and could have famous black friends, black friends. She joined a white sorority, put Caucasian on her CV, narrowed her nose, and has never in her life had a relationship with a man of colour. She's on her second white husband. Her kids, she made sure, are as nonblack as she could possibly get them, having them with a pasty ginge. They not only not "biracial", they're barely mixed race, at least 75% white.

She only pulls the race card when it's to her benefit. In her personal life, it's all white all the time. Christ, she couldn't even work her mother's name into her little girl's name - instead, she named the only daughter after two iconic blue-eyed fair-skinned women whose alabaster complexions were legendary, one of them an iconic blonde.

But the black Mum who really looks black and is allegedly the only relative Meghan has with whom she has any relationship? Hell, no. She didn't warrant a place on the child's birth certificate. Just the blonde icon and the White Queen did.

I mean, would it really have been so hard to do Elizabeth Doria Diana? Which 1) has more dignity, and 2) is far prettier than that stilly twee name the kid got?!

I still don’t understand that announcement in r177. It means nothing. Anonymous sources can still speak the truth about them. Sources other than Archewell can still speak the truth about them. And Archewell can speak lies about them. So… what?

I wonder if Markus Andersson has been Markled yet.

The article sans paywall. Good her "anonymous famous" all sound like human diabetes, almost like a certain book...

From the above article:

"The Duke, who has a job at the Aspen Institute’s Commission on Information Disorder, has similarly condemned the "avalanche of misinformation" to be found online.:

Says the man who was caught recently in emails that revealed he lied with gusto to the public about his and his wife's involvement in "Finding Freedom", a book written by the man the Universe knows to be their personal media mouthpiece.

From r180’s link:

[quote]Earlier this year, the Court of Appeal heard details of an email sent by the Duchess to Jason Knauf, then her communications secretary, in which she provided a memo before he spoke to her biographers.

[quote]It read, in part: “The Queen offered Windsor which the couple gratefully accepted. They are also very happy to have the space and privacy that Windsor affords. Being able to go for long walks, etc.”

THE QUEEN OFFERED WINDSOR! No, the Queen offered Frogmore Friggin’ Cottage. On the grounds of but at a distance from Windsor Castle, jfc.

I betcha Meghan has never taken a long walk in her life.

Or said anything true. Shes a compulsive liar.

One of the reasons for Meghan's ongoing hatred of the Cambridges is the superior homes they occupied as the next but one King and Queen.

They were offered a pretty but less than grand home IN Windsor, basically a suburb of London (not in Windsor Castle itself), and no base in London. Meghan is no country girl. Of course, if theys gotten a place in the Cotswolds near all the celebrities, or a place in the Golden Triangle of Gloucestershire near Charles's Highgrove House, that would have been different.

The Cambridges got a 22-room flat in Kensington Palace and will get the equally grand adjacent flat for reception rooms and offices, plus a much statelier 10 bedroom Georgian mansion in Norfolk on the Sandringham estate.

Oh, she'd have jumped at a nice wing of the Castle itself, all right.

Only the Queen wouldn't have given the Sussexes that if their lives depended on it.

Frogmore Cottage is about a half mile from the Castle. And so close to the much more elegant main Frogmore House that tourists lining up to tour it can easily see Frogmore Cottage.

By then, of course, everyone knew the Sussexes were cooperating on the FF book, staff issues were already evident, Meghan had already alienated the Cambridges, and behind the scenes it was already damage control and a growing awareness that the Sussexes actually hated the work and were likely not to stay the course.

If Meghan wanted better accommodations she should have tried a bit harder. Trying to bully the Queen's dresser and close friend, Angela Kelly, really wasn't smart.

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

What the fuck did Omid Scobie do to his face? Lenin’s embalmed corpse looks more alive than he does.

Does he... does he have eyebrow merkins??

That's the funny thing about Meghan's fancunts (irrespective of their sex) -- they cry racism on a regular basis while they're nothing but racists themselves, obsessed with becoming as white as a sheet of paper.

Just look at Omicron Scabies and his skin tone -- compared to his real skin tone, he must've had A LOT of procedures to get that light skin.

The sad thing is, he looked nice with his real skin and his real facial features. Now he looks like a plastic doll with bleach having been poured over his skin by the liter, with the skin corroding and melting from the bleach, then solidifying over and over again.

[quote]I'm not sure what Omid is going to do when nobody wants to hear about Meghan anymore. It's not like any of the other royals will ever want to associate with him.

Harper's is in a pickle if he no longer has "insider" status with the Harkles to deliver their news. He won't be given the time of day by Royals and he seems not to be taken seriously by his colleagues in the Royal Rota. One if them (can't recall who) who was covering Philip's funeral outside at St. George's relayed how in the middle of the service, all of the journalists' phones began pinging simultaneously. How odd they thought. They looked at their phones and it was a text from Scobie, passing along the details of the Sussex's wreath! It raised a lot of eyebrows. Not Gayle King's, though. She breathlessly reported it during the service.

Maybe he'll be a CBS "special" correspondent for their morning show regurgitating scoops the Rota is breaking in the UK.

Ugh. That wreath business. Are there no old school types who can talk them out of this flashy / tacky behavior they always insist upon?

Meghan failed at being Royal. She was an absolute failure. And don't give me any of this 'she never wanted to be Royal'. She did. She married in to the Royal family with all the expectation and understanding of marrying in to the Royal family. She tried, she failed miserably. I'd feel sorry for her if it wasn't her own doing.

Meghan is distinctly Californian.

I like the liberal parts of California. (I live in California.)

But, it’s a state built on agriculture, oil, military, and the entertainment business. Historically, these aren’t industries that attract educated people.

It’s a pretty redneck place when you get down to it. Californians are sometimes superficially friendly but are often very rough around the edges.

So, Meghan probably thinks she’s terribly sophisticated compared to the people she grew up around.

And, yes, she went to private school. But that’s no guarantee of anything in a place like LA .

R193, except the Silicon Valley billionaires, who they definitely tried to cultivate. I’d say they got cozy with a few. Not the Biggest Fish, Bill and Melinda.

I think once the reality sunk in that she would never be as important as Kate to the BRF Machine, she didn't give a fuck and torpedoed everything.

Second String was NOT gonna work.

R191 it's painfully clear (at least to me) that Harry & Meghan think they know best, and anyone who disagrees is just wrong. Even their book insinuates they operate that way. They hire all these professionals around them, but don't take any advice. Sunshine Sachs is actually a respected PR firm, but I assume at this point they just cash the checks and do whatever Meghan and Harry want.

They don't, r196. Accepting the checks without delivering is a good way to become unrespected quickly.

As though you understand the Sussex's reputation in the PR industry, r197. Tell us more, oh swami...

R198, I was referring to Sunshine Sachs.

No one is going to blame Sunshine Sachs for the aggressive Sussex tactics. Publicists do what the clients want them to do.

R200 they also no doubt leak a lot of negative info because they're annoyed by them

Talk about ruining your reputation! I know all SS might care about is cashing da' checks, but who in their right minds would look at how well Har & Meg have done & say Hmm..Think I'll give SS a chance. They are the worst advert. for PR I have ever seen.

If I were SS I'd be looking to sue them for loss of wages & defamation of character.

In fairness, in not taking their professional advisors' advice, Harry and Meghan are honouring a longstanding royal tradition: Max Hastings said all the royals do this, including the Queen, Charles, and Diana. It is a source of major frustration to royal staff. I suspect that the Cambridges are the exception, as they hired new PR staff last year and seem to be quite a bit more sprightly and forward, which seems to be working in their favour.

I've posted Hastings' excellent piece before, but some of you may be new to the terrain . . .

That article is paywalled r203.

So are they currently in a lay-low and quiet position while they wait for their scandals to become old news?

R205, Nah, she's trying frantically to lose that weight. Wonder how much extra cash there is for surgical procedures. Harry supposedly tight fisted like Charles. If he is having to dip into his principal from Mama, may not be so happy, since the Royal Bank seems to be closed. He may or may not have been beloved by Gran., but his conduct especially in regards to Philip & naming of the baby nailed her purse shut, I'd bet. If HM cut off Andrew, I'm sure Harry's getting no cash there.

The principal from mama is very likely almost gone. They aren't in with any billionaires r194. Not even close. They are not even D list at this point and going broke.

I think it will take less than a Covid year to reveal how broke they really are. The bottom of the purse must be showing by now if they're trying to make money off the house.

Will they realise that 1. It will probably be their very last windfall, and 2. They will have to find actual jobs if they want to keep the lifestyle? I predict we're going to have a lot of fun with them and their histrionics by the end of 2022. Maybe a divorce?

R207, I agree they’re not in with billionaires NOW, but they made some forays, some connections.

Of course, they may be pariahs now.

Some royal reporters in the UK are asking why things are so quite from California lately. The Sussexes constant dripping of PR pieces seems to have stopped. Wonder if they have dropped their PR (or been dropped).

R210 Meghan looked so desperately thirsty and tacky in her stint on Ellen, maybe she decided to tone it down.

Like typical narcs, they have probably started blaming SS for all their problems and "fired them" (i.e because they're broke). They obviously never listened to them anyway.

[quote] maybe she decided to tone it down.

Duchess Diva?!?

No way.

The Sussexes may have heard word "from the street" that Buck Palace was getting ready to finally lower the total boom on Uncle Andy any day now. They may feel that's notice to behave a bit in the coming weeks and months, until things cool down. Lest their remaining privileges (future HRH for their kids at TQ's death, Harry's royal dukedom) get put on a kind of chopping block.

Maybe they have the Omicron.

Why do people think they have no money? Not being snide, I just was curious. I figured daddy was taking care of them, even with everything that’s happened (parents can be very, very enabling).

R204 - Here you go:

" . . . It is interesting to speculate about how much advice the Queen and her heirs sought before embarking on the course that led to last weekend’s announcement of the removal of the couple’s cash drip and H.R.H. titles. Precedent suggests not much. Members of the royal family sometimes solicit the views of friends, courtiers, lawyers, and even of journalists. Very seldom, however, do they heed the counsel of outsiders, unless it coincides with their own instincts.

As a newspaper editor in the 1990s, I was a privileged spectator during the last series of Family crises, meeting all the principals. I can boast that my own advice—to say as little as possible publicly about their split—was dismissed by both the Prince and Princess of Wales. Diana nodded attentively and fluttered those famous eyelashes when I urged discretion—“Yes, Max, absolutely, Max”—during a 1995 luncheon à deux at Kensington Palace. Unbeknownst to silly me, however, that very afternoon cameras were setting up next door for her “tell-all” BBC TV interview in which she laid bare her every love—and hate."

Some lesser royals accept largesse from socially ambitious people whom they repay by inviting them to the Royal Box at Wimbledon, the Queen’s afternoon at the Chelsea Flower Show, or—in the case of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, as guests of Prince Andrew—parties at Windsor Castle and Sandringham.

. . . . Family members are unwilling to acknowledge a truth obvious to everybody else, that any yacht-owner eager to lend them his gin palace is, ipso facto, somebody whom it is rash for them to be indebted to. That they will do so anyway is one near certainty about the Sussexes’ future in North America. The earnings that royals or ex-royals can generate from their talents, as distinct from their celebrity, would scarcely cover the services of Meghan’s manicurist.

The Prince of Wales has a history of dispensing with the counsel and, indeed, friendship of people who dare to say boo to him, even though the rest of us know that the most important people in our lives are those who offer tough love. The Sussex train wreck has been only a matter of time ever since Prince Harry unwisely quit the army, which provided some much-needed structure. It would nonetheless be a start if somebody within the Family established guidelines, set rules for the royal game, as the Queen has never done."

^* I'm particularly fond of this brutal thrust at Meghan's lack of any talents that would have gotten her where she is without her royal celebrity:

". . . That they will do so anyway is one near certainty about the Sussexes’ future in North America. The earnings that royals or ex-royals can generate from their talents, as distinct from their celebrity, would scarcely cover the services of Meghan’s manicurist."

Thanks r217. I can’t imagine being so pig-headed, especially in this age of social media.

R212– it’s more likely that the narc is in her crash and planning phase

There won't be any HRH's for those kids r214. Ever.

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R221 Oh, yes, there will if the Queen doesn't get off her arse and issue Letters Patent changing the rules.

It’s all he’s got, r222.

He is such a fucking chump, it makes me laugh.

R222 so...same old shit he's been saying for 3 years? I wonder if he'll mention his dead mum.

Sorry to be redundant, but a new fav.

Harry's, "Spirit Animal"

LOL, R226

Harry is a dope. Oh, I hope this means the Sussexes won't grace us with their presence at the Platinum Jubilee. That is all.

What does that mean? He wants to pay for police protection or he doesn't?

Sounds to me R229, is that he refuses to come back unless someone else is footing his security bill for him.

Somebody buy Harry a Rottweiler. He'll be fine.

Think its another preemptive drop,cause they aren't invited to stand on the balcony or to be in any private area around any of the royals. All interactions from now on will be taped, so no more porkies from Prince & Princess Pinocchio.

With what has just happened to Andrew they know they will have no ability to milk any, "but we're royal" associations & photo ops. I think they are watching this latest bit with Andrew & realizing HM has serious fucks to give & is on her last nerve. If Andrew just felt the nip of the wringer, imagine what will be in store for them if the so much as fart above a whisper

That is very expensive to fund private protection at the delusional level they will require, They want the QEII treatment!

Andrew being made a Non-Person has to scare the shit outta Harry. Their troll farm on twitter was constantly using the 'they torment poor Harry and never ask Meghan if she's OK while letting pedo Andrew...bla-bla'. Oops!

H&M - the Royal Family are racist.

H&M - but we want them to pay for our security if we come home. And it has to be OUR security, not Scotland Yard or anyone British. We only trust people we choose.

HM The Queen: You are NOT invited. You are not welcome

It's a shame Markle doesn't even look black. Otherwise some traffic cop would stop her driving her Range Rover, pull her over and arrest her. So much for the non-racist US of A!

Either this is a cover to try and explain why they won't be at the Jubilee celebrations in June (aka they haven't been invited) or Harry's ego can't deal with the reality that his actions (leaving the royals) means the UK government views him as a private citizen and therefore not entitled to government funded resources (even ones he's paid for).

In effect this means Harry is suing the Queen because it is Her Majesty's Government after all............

No wonder this couple is going broke, they spend all their money on lawsuits.

They didn't get invited. This is their desperate attempt to disguise why they won't be in the UK for the Jubilee celebrations -- and to play the victim card again ("Boo hoo-hoo, I've got to pay for my own security!!!").

What a fuckwit Harry is.

And Meghan is still an asshole.

R237 & R239 I agree. It's been rumoured for months that William doesn't want them at the jubliee celebrations because the circus they will cause will distract from the Queen.

Statement from the Sussexes:

R241 Remove him from the line of succession, problem solved.

Best to stay home then.

"While his role within the institution has changed, his profile as a member of the Royal Family has not". Umm, it most certainly HAS changed, to a non-profile. He is no longer a working member of the BRF, now for the past two years. He's not entitled to any tax-funded protection, he and the Mrs can pay for their own, of their own choosing. Solves that problem.

The fucking CHEEK of these two. They are blaming the Home Office for not being able to visit the UK. Because they won't PAY for their own private security arrangements.

I hope the UK government and media tear them to shreds. Nice going Harkles - you just kicked shitty Andrew right off the front page!

If I'm reading this story right, Harry wants to bring in armed private security guards from the US which is not allowed under UK law. That appears to be the issue, not getting access to MI-5 security. It's still ridiculous.

Actually r245, it sounds like he wants the MI-5 security, and is asking to pay for it. Which might be ok, but I'm not sure is allowed or doable.

R246– it’s not allowed in the UK.

This is pure PR trash...the case would go nowhere because the UK government has 100% power to legislate laws around state funded protection and the use of international security.

Daily Mail is saying this legal letter was filed in September but somehow just got leaked.......

Harry is a pansy. A weak little pansy writing a book about 'the man he has become'. Which is precisely, a whinging pansy.

And you do, [R49]? After all, we the dumb public can only go on the $$$$$$$$$$$$$ they've shat out of the humanitarian mouths about the hundreds of millions of dollars in deals they've made. Of course we the dumb public believe every word of it! Because we're dumb, [R49], you understand.

trying so hard to save face at R241 .,yet the whole entire world (with the exception of their stans) see that for the pathetic attempt it is. You arent going Harry because you arent invited.Period.

Apparently his legal team is arguing that he should have access to UK intelligence information due to possible security threats against him and Meghan? They clearly haven't gotten the memo that they just aren't that important anymore. Does he have access to US intelligence? I'm guessing no. According to the Times, only the Queen, Charles, Camilla, William and Kate get round the clock security. Anne, Edward, and Sophie only get it on royal engagements. Andrew no longer has access to it, the York girls never had security nor did Peter and Zara Philips. He feels unsafe in the UK? He does know he's in the US right? The country with the most gun violence of any of the rich countries in the Western world.

R253 He's lawyers are also claiming there was an incident when he was in the UK for Diana's statue unveiling where his car was stopped and surrounded by paparazzi. No one can seem to find any evidence of this though.

Ut Oh Harry. If the paparazzi story is another Porkie, here we go again. More lies. People are getting called out loads for lies. See your wife. Princess Pinocchio for details

Harry is an idiot who quit his job but still wants to keep his benefits and insurance package.......

R256 he got a golden parachute of $3 million from his Daddy when he quit his job but apparently he was looking for Wall Street hundreds of millions

Keep the bad men with the cameras away! They remind me of my dead mum!

R244 made me laugh. They certainly DID knock Andrew off the front page. I am cracking the fuck up. I think they meant to kick the Queen while she’s down, but managed to enrage a country that’s already spoiling for a fight thanks to Boris’s shenanigans. They’re jumping on the pile of entitled and tone-deaf ponces.

Fucking idiots.

Meghan is paranoid on steroids.

Remember when they took that disastrous trip to Seth Effrica? The armored cars in SA were just not sufficient for their precious safety, so they had special Land Rover Discoverys (sic) SHIPPED to them from England. They know from bulletproof cars in Johannesburg, for fucks sake.

A royal suing the government should be enough to strip him of titles and remove him from the line of succession.

Oh, how cute! He still thinks they're welcome and wanted in the UK. Adorable.

It's comical how they think they are so important! Honey, in a few short years you will be WELL below 6th in line and your children even further below that. I think it is the current Duke of Kent who was born 7th in line and is now in 50th place? If anything, his marriage to Meghan took away any level of importance that he ever had. He should have chosen better. Both his family and hers tried to warn him.

They are likely whipped in to a frenzy about their children being kidnapped I suppose. Guess they never thought about that before deciding on the whole 'Just Harry - I'm just like any other guy' schtick. oh, here's an idea - quit trying to become celebrities, stop with all the self-promotion, live the life you purported you wanted to when you stormed out of Britain, i.e. a private life. These two have their heads so far up their asses that they're choking on their own shit.

For someone who really did seem to love his Gran, they always kick The Queen when she's down. Of all the time to leak this, they do when HM is obviously very upset about Andrew. She does what she needs to, but I'm sure it still stings. They did the Oprah interview when Phillip was in the hospital and even released a statement saying something like "It doesn't matter that Phillip is in the hospital b/c our truth needs to come out - NO REGRETS". Or they said that through Scobie or Gay King. Obviously they only why they think they can win is kicking a 95 year old woman when she is down which speaks to HM's strength when all is well.

It's past the 2 year anniversary of Megxit and what a difference 2 years makes

Harry's an evil little shit being led around by the nose by his conniving starlet wife.

Oh Harry, either bring the same security you have now in California or stay home. We don't want your drama here.

You don't get your royal privileges back when you don't work anymore and you slag off your family and the UK every chance you get.

You are delusional and paranoid. Not a good combination. More mental health therapy is needed to calm you down.

Has there been a credible BRF kidnapping attempt since Anne in the 70s?

Between their father's paranoia and their mother's narcissism, those tots are gonna have quite the therapy bills.

Princess Di died because she got in a car with a drunk driver and didn't put her seatbelt on. The bodyguard sitting in the front passenger seat (the suicide seat) with his seatbelt on, survived. Then the French junior doctor who arrived on the scene commandeered the ambulance and made them sit around for 2 hours before taking her to the ER which he should have done in the first 5 minutes. Ain't complicated. The French paparazzi were chasing her because she'd been taunting them on the Riviera to give them snaps of her making out with Dodi to make the guy who dumped her jealous.

Di basically committed suicide. If she hadn't she would have degenerated into Eurotrash, on the cover of Voici mag with her latest toyboy.

R269 A harsh but fair summation. I wouldn't use the word "suicide" but she was on a reckless tear that summer. My armchair psychological take was that she lacked inner resources, was frantically on the go as a means of treating her own depression. She was not the type who could retreat for a bit to the country, read, garden, gather her strength.

She was as addicted to the paparazzi as they were to her. The same with the tabloids. She was on the phone to Richard Kay of the Daily Mail constantly.

There is almost a part of me that thinks that Harry's paranoia is being fuelled "inside the house" and stories leaked about him to look terrible so Meghan gets the kids when they divorce.

There's a thread open on the "Big Security Panto", you can consolidate comments there - so we have, as it were, a comprehensive overview of opinion . . .

One thing we know from this: Harry and Meghan ain't moving to Old Blighty.

I wonder if their lease on Frogmore will not be renewed this 1 April?

Link to the Security thread . . .

Robby Benson should buy their place.

Tyler Perry should offer them cents on the dollar if they actually own & are selling it. Bet they stayed true to form, pissed & abused staff (UK has to investigate thanks to them) & annoyed neigbors (see French ambassador their neighbor in London). Also rent for when they stayed, food bills. How many hundreds of avocados had to be dumped along with bananas to get it Just Right to please a certain person.

Nobody is interested in them here. Nobody cares about their kids. Most people forget they even have kids.

Who wants to live in a cottage? They should have named it a palace. Then I might have considered it.

They’re never going to stay put in one place for long, are they. Restless.

As I've stated several times, Meghan is incapable of happiness because she never feels as if she's quite gotten what she needs to slay her narcissism demon.

She's like an emotional shark: she has to keep moving to keep feeding, but she's never satiated. There's always some higher form of vallidation out there, just out of reach.

The rumour is that TQ and the government now have to figure out how to remove Harry and A drew as potential Counsellors of State.

Technically, Harry is already disqualified because he lives outside the UK more than six months of the year.

Just the same, as an optic, or on the slim chance that he decides to return with his family to the UK for half the year every year to burnish his and their royal adjacent creds, the matter is now urgent.

It has to be the four people in the line of succession over eighteen. Until George and Charlotte are of age, that means (at this time with the Queen still living), Charles, William, Harry, and Andrew

If Charles becomes King whilst the Cambridge kids are minors, that means William, Harry, Andrew, and Beatrice.

With Harry and Andrew removed, the four move to William, Beatrice, Eugenie, and Edward.

That would be an interesting development, although it's unlikely ever to be necessary for State Counsellors to have to take over.

^*validation (not vallidation)

Fucking autocorrect.

R281 and r282, I agree. She gathers no moss (just like Angelina Jolie). That will be another problem for Harry if he prefers to stay put and build a stable life for the kids.

I’m surprised that she stayed in Canada and on “Suits” for as long as she did. Seven years is a lifetime for someone like her. I guess she did a lot of traveling during hiatus?

She scammed free stays off of SoHO house at their various locations. Also, Corey took her on a few trips. She literally met and started dating Harry right after she and Corey got back from Mexico. He was still posting like she was his girlfriend until August 2016. Suits was all she had. No one was looking for her after that without Harry.

Does she have any actual love for Harry or is she just using him?

She's just using him. Narcissists are incapable of love. I fear for theur children. I think Archie will be the Scapegoat and Lili will be the Golden Child (see children of narcissistic parents)

She doesn't love him, and this doesn't bother her.

I think so too r286

Jesus fucking christ the narc troll is tedious.

Their house is up on some real estate website where it is indicated it's been on the market for over 150 days. WTF? Maybe they're just tenants.

R290 I’ve wondered that before; in fact, I questioned whether they lived there at all. The MM birthday video/pics from her “office” were so clearly staged, not just a little but everything. I mean, that table/desk came up to her chest. Weird.

They are really living in a 2/2 apartment in Oxnard.

R292 Thank God you cleared up that mystery for us!

They probably live in the garden childrens' playhouse they sat in front of in one of their weird Christmas cards. (The painting-like one, with Archie being depicted as a full-on redhead.)

[quote] They are really living in a 2/2 apartment in Oxnard.

On The Windsors, which is amazing, they live in a shitty apartment in LA always hustling for a gig.

The Prince too r295! Its freaking hilarious!

Harry is desperate to get to the UK because he wants a royal christening for Lilibet. According to H & M, aren't the Royal Family suppose to be racist?

If he's desperate for Lilibet to have a royal christening, it's only because they want to film it for Netflix so they can generate some content. Neither of them are religious.

I was under the impression that The Queen put the kibosh on the Lilitbet Royal Christening a while ago. I feel like there was a lot of press on this maybe late summer/early fall, probably from the Sussex camp, about how they were desperate to get back. If they want it so badly, accepting the summer invite from Charles might be a good way to go about it. The problem is they are so desperate to retain royal relations, but I think Meghan knows she can't go back to the UK or BRF ever again, even if she wanted to. They really fucked up taking the nuclear option instead of The Queen's offer to try their fortunes for a year discreetly with a door open to come back into the fold if it didn't work out. In the beginning, and I hate to admit, I thought Meghan had some of the tightest game I had ever seen to pull Suits to Duchess in under 2 years, but to see her throw that miracle shows her delusion.

I thought Meghan was smarter too but I think she's solely motivated by jealousy and resentment and jealousy is hard to control.

I think we toss "mental illness", "narcissism", etc too freely now, but I do believe in M & H's case, it truly applies. Meghan didn't get the fundamentals that the rules for Hollywood are not the same as the BRF. The other thing I am realizing in my own life and others who struggle around me is that nothing will ever replace a secure, happy childhood. Though we can't blame our parents forever, when there is turbulence in early life, it can sabotage us in later life w/o even knowing it.

He's a jealous, entitled twat.

She's a jealous, entitled twat.

Apparently that's enough to establish a basis for a marriage.

So, they have to return to the UK to baptize this child..

Now as per the experts here is what baptism is about What Is the Purpose of Being Baptized? Christian denominations differ widely in their teachings about the purpose of baptism. Some faith groups believe baptism accomplishes the washing away of sin, thus making it a necessary step in salvation. Others believe that baptism, while not accomplishing salvation, is still a sign and seal of salvation. Thus, baptism ensures entrance into the church community. Many churches teach that baptism is a vital step of obedience in the believer’s life, yet only an outward acknowledgment or testimony of the salvation experience already accomplished. These groups believe baptism itself has no power to cleanse or save from sin since God alone is responsible for salvation. This perspective is called "Believer's Baptism." A few denominations consider baptism a form of exorcism from evil spirit

Now, it doesn't say its about wearing a special dress in a special place for photo ops. Nope, its to save tshe soul & not the devil in.

In fact, when my older sister had her hippie moment of no religion for my nephew my mother babysat one day & baptized my nephew over the kitchen sink, on the advice of her priest. He said no need to redo at any later date. He gave mom the script., "I baptize thee in the Name of the Father, the Son & the Holy Ghost." That was it, done & dusted.

So, if they are soo religious & devout shame on them for waiting so long. You do it right away, lest the child die. Unbaptized children have to stay in purgatory.

By Jewish law, Meghan is technically Jewish. Even by conversion, once Jewish, always Jewish, which would make both Archie and Lilibet Jewish was well. All of Lilibet's kids will be Jewish and can make allyah to Israel. Converting back to Christianity doesn't erase that.

Maybe they need to go to Ole'Blighty so she can do shoots of her doing her Mikveh to go along with the grilling video.

Could be a boxed set with large print writing of the spine like the Bench book," Her Maj. the Dutchess of Suckess" in bright gold letters. Now that would be a best seller...Well, maybe if she used a body double.

How is Meghan Jewish? What did I miss?

She conveyed to Judaism for her first husband and had a Jewish wedding.

The only reason these two would come back to the UK is to get "the money shot" of Lilly with the Queen. That's not going to happen.

I can't wait in 20 years time when Archie and Lilly have gone off the rails and hate their parents for denying them the heritage they should have been part of.

R307 - She did not convert to Judaism, and they had one of those weddings where they incorporated "elements" of the other spouse's faith. There is no record of a conversion and they were married on a beach.

She did, however, convert formally to Anglicanism before marrying Harry. Since she is, despite her friends' protestations, completely without any depth of spiritual feeling, it would have made no odds to her. She wanted to be able to belong in the royal framework as much as possible along with any children that came along. She hasn't been seen in a church since unless she was going to a wedding. Oh, and that last unforgettable appearance in the Abbey in her Cruella de Ville ensemble.

Of course, she ended by insulting the AoC, eventually, as well.

"We were really married a few days before the wedding . . . a spectacle for the public"

And her five anonymous friends dropped his name in that infamous PEOPLE article: ". . . her growing closeness to the Archbishop of Canterbury" . . .

Well, My Lord Archbishop is a well-known eejit, too.

R299 - If they were willing to give the kid a christening, it would have happened by now.

Harry is, per the discussion in the video, using a combination of threat and pathos either to force someone's (anyone's) hand, and if it fails, to be able to blame the UK, the government, and the monarchy for the Tragedy Of Gran Never Meeting Little Lilibet.

The government has to know how bad this will look if they give an inch to this spoilt twat. Right now, with its polls in the shitter, the government can't afford so much as a fart in a bathtub.

If the RF caves, they deserve everything they get.

R304 - For fuck's sake, she did NOT convert to Judaism.

And if she did, and then left to convert to something else, her kids would not be considered Jewish and would not have the right of return.

There would be a formal record of a conversion and it would have been dug up and posted on the DM in 18pt type.

She - did - not - convert to anything until she married Harry.

Harry has never really had to face the consequences of his actions which is why he's so petulant. I think he truly believed his family would cave after that Oprah interview and that hasn't happened. If anything, the family (perhaps with the exception of the Queen and Charles) want nothing to do with him. Camilla allegedly has told friends Harry is dead to her, and William and Catherine apparently have made peace with the fact that while Meghan is in the picture, there is no point in dealing with Harry.

Fair enough, R311 - I had read that she had converted to marry Trevor. What I didn't realize that there was speculation that Meghan's dad was Jewish and even so, that doesn't make her Jewish b/c Doria is not. I was basing my opinion on the conversion rumor. Rachel Markle does sound Jewish, but who knows and the BRF didn't care even if she was. Now Catholic on the other hand might have been problematic.

^ LOL, look at that fail of a kiss.

She was the sloppiest bride I have ever seen..

R315 have you forgotten?!? It was only a spectacle for the masses, their REAL wedding, the ceremony confirming their love and mutual commitment, took place three days before!

Oooooooh, I get it, I get it, I get it now! The plan is: they go to England for whatever reason; Queen meets little namesake; against her own will falls in love with baby Lili; cannot help herself to shower the family of dear lil baby with money, fame and VIP treatments.

I'll bet you anything that's what Meghan is hoping for.

These two clowns really don't know what they're doing.

R318, Netflix Animation is seeking a Production Designer for Meghan’s “Pearl” series. I’m assuming the person quit or was fired. That thing was announced in July, so did they just start hiring for it now?

I also heard that David Furnish dropped out.

It will never see the light of day.

Netflix: We are seeking a Production Designer for Pearl, a CG heartfelt adventure comedy series. Pearl comes from the mind of Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex and centers on the adventures of a 12-year-old girl who finds inspiration in a variety of influential women throughout history.

The Production Designer will help to develop, create, and support the aesthetic vision of our Executive Producer Team, working closely with the Show Runner to design multiple worlds representing various time periods throughout history.

An accomplished artist themselves, the Production Designer must convey direction and visual communication through applied artistic skills. They will work with the CG Supervisor to ensure that the design is compatible with scope, the pipeline and the talent of the partner studio, sharing responsibility to define artistic boundaries and generate clever solutions to work within them.

What You’ll Do:

Create development art, production art, and color scripts for the partner studio

Develop and communicate the style guide and theory; spanning visual development, character design, environment design, and props/fx

Responsible for creating and executing the visual flow of the series as it relates to the story and emotional intent through design, lighting, and color infrastructure

Partner with production leadership and technical teams to understand and clarify creative direction and scope, timelines, tools, and budget

Provide notes and mentorship to the creative team at partner studios, incorporating hands-on drawing, reference, and tools to enable the team to do their best work

Collaborate with the animation studio partner to communicate direction, provide reference/resources, and optimize workflows

Collaborate with grace, humility, inclusion, and open-mindedness

What You’ll Need:

3-5 years of CG animation production experience

Expert working knowledge of digital drawing tools such as Photoshop a must

Considerable knowledge of color theory, lighting, staging, and perspective

Proven leadership on animated shorts, series, or features

Excellent verbal, written, and e-social communication skills

Samples and/or credits demonstrating excellence in roles such as visual development, background paint, color design, or character design

“ Collaborate with grace, humility, inclusion, and open-mindedness”

Where have we heard that language before?

"Collaborate with grace, humility, inclusion, and open-mindedness"

Hahaha, omfg

Nobody is going to want to work with her. She had a bad rep when she was a nobody.

“Collaborate with grace and humility” = “we will take credit for all your good ideas and work and there’s nothing you can do about it”

Why is Netflix Animation hiring for “Pearl”? The production company hires that person.

Unless the production company isn’t producing anything so Netflix is moving it in-house… they’ve sunk enough money on that sinking ship and are trying to keep it afloat?

There was somebody who works for Netflix animation on reddit (I think) who posted Pearl is a total disaster: Meghan is planning on doing the voice too, apparently using her approximation of Marilyn Monroe meets Betty Boop.

Spotify is also adverting for content producers for you-know-who.

That's exactly what they are doing r326.

So they've fucked up both their Spotify and Netflix contracts.

Have they got the magic touch or what ??? Everything they touch turns to pure shit.They truly are toxic.

I would love to read more on the behind the scenes of the shit show that is Pearl. If anyone finds the link, please share.

Nevermind - I found it

Meghan thinks she looks like Pocahontas AND Geena Davis in League of Their Own? ffs

I hope somebody leaks the voice recordings - they sound hilarious!

I did wonder if one of the reasons she fled Britain was because she was given the patronage of the Royal National Theatre. Can you imagine? All those RADA-trained actors who'd earned their stripes in repertory theatre in Shakespeare being ruled over by the Suitcase Girl from Deal or No Deal? Nobody snobbier than classically trained actors. The sneering would have been unbearable for Meggie.

R322 - But the greatest of these is "humility", because whoever it is will need that dealing with Meghan The Duchess of Sussex.

What I don't understand is, why don't Spotify just cut them loose? Why coddle them along and do their work for them? What does Spotify have to be afraid of?

As it is, they got flack for hiring at an exorbitant rate two people with zero experience in producing anything except bile, whilst talented young people stand there knocking vainly on the doors. True to form, the Harkles turn out to be all hat and no cattle, and Spotify is going to produce their content FOR them, but still PAY them?!

The reason people like Andrew, and Harry, and Meghan keep getting away with being the horrible people they are, is because other people let them.

R336 - There was sneering behind the scenes, and not just backstage. A great many people cancelled their subscriptions to the NT when that came down.

Meghan is perfect for Marilyn. With a few tweaks, I can just see her giving her speech to Charles from "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes", as Charles hints that she's marrying Harry for Harry's money.

"No! I'm marrying him for YOUR money!"

The original mission statement for the Markles' Spotify podcasts is they were going to give a forum to 'under-represented voices'. Then on their sole podcast they had the under-represented voices of Elton John and James Corden.

I figure this is a last-ditch attempt to make it look like Spotify has come to their rescue before they're cut loose. Same thing with Netflix.

R339 - Spotify clearly doesn't feel it can cut them loose when they've virtually admitted that they're going to let programming go out under the Sussex name, but with other people doing their work.

If Spotify wanted to cut them loose, it would have just done it, because this tactic is hardly less embarrassing for the Harkles.

I suspect a contractual glitch. Perhaps Spotify already paid them for a certain amount of work, and rather than try to get the money back from the two cretins (chance would be a fine thing), they're going to grit their teeth, throw some good money after bad, and get a couple of decent programmes out for their HEY THEY'RE ROYALTY! money, and then cut them loose.

As it is, there is no one who doesn't understand the mega shade this casts on the Hapless Harkles. In letting this cat out of the bag, Spotify are showing just how pissed off they are, and that they don't give a damn if they embarrass the Dook.

The Spotify debacle, and the stories now circulating about what a horrible mess "Pearl" is over at Netflix are indication of just how badly the Harkles are flailing.

Put that together with the stories about Harry making it up with Papa, and his demands to be treated in the UK just as if he were still a working royal . . . and an interesting picture begins to emerge.

I think nothing is going the way they were sure it would, and they're beginning to regret burning those bridges to that nice comfy life with its guaranteed income, nice free home, the bank of Papa always open, the paid for staff, those curtsies and bows and flowers for, really, very little effort, and, okay, what if they do have to walk behind Kate and William forever . . .

They were sooooo fucking stupid.

Well put R340. Brings to mind that old saw about 'act in haste,repent in leisure' doesnt it ?

I'm sure they got both contracts by claiming all the senior royals, the Obamas, all the A++ listers would be lining up to kiss their asses and then they cut off their noses to spite their faces by giving freebies to Oprah, to Kristen Bell's dimwitted husband, etc. Dumb.

After they’ve burned two major streaming services, who’s going to work with them ever?

Will they burn some publishers, too?

I hope Pearl does come to fruition because it sounds like it will be unintentionally hilarious.

What would things be like around the Royal Family now, if Harry & Meghan had just stayed put, lived at Frogmore Cottage and been working royals?

She didn't have the work ethic needed r345. She was never going to be successful as a royal. Its not in her. He would have needed a different wife.

R345, it would never have happened. Megsy wanted the fame, the networking event wedding, the title -- and she wanted to leave asap to seek pastures new, thinking she'd be just as successful with her grifting on those new pastures, too.

^*Agree. She doesn't have the self-discipline to accept that it isn't about her, it's about the work. The whole lure of celebrity is that it's about the self - except when it comes to working royals. The celebrity is supposed to flatter the work, not the worker. The Queen gets it, her parents got it, Charles semi-gets it and probably would have done better if his mother had stepped aside 15 years ago so he could grow into it, Kate and William get it, Anne gets it, Edward and his wife get it.

Andrew, and Fergie, Harry and Meghan, the former Kind Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson - they didn't get it. For those types, if it isn't about them, it's not worth doing. They want life on their terms, with the bennies that come with immense privilege, but don't want to pay a price for it.

Remember the “maternity leave”. I’m sure their excuse is “new baby, have toddler, exhausted” and they are shocked, shocked that Netflix and Spotify are pressuring them to get to work. OTOH, the Netflix documentary seems to be progressing because it just involves cameramen following them around. Do those guys sign NDAs?

When they announced they were taking 6 months' parental leave, I wondered if they'd cleared that with Netflix and Spotify.

Odd, she didn't have trouble "editing" that VOGUE issue whilst on maternity leave. She gave a vivid description of herself drinking herbal tea and wrapped in a shawl, if I remember, dreaming it up and talking to Enninful about it.

It appears to be the "Pearl" programme for Netflix, that is the horrible mess.

Did anyone else notice that in the Gimlet/Spotify job description this priceless line:

"At Gimlet, ideas matter more than titles."

They must be really, really, REALLY pissed off.

I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just drop HaM. Why produce content for them?

I guess they're hoping against hope that Meghan's troll farm on twitter can stir up some interest.

What Harry and Meghan basically seem to be trying to do is an LA version of what William and Kate do for a living. There isn't actually a vacancy here for that. They're influencers I suppose. But not terribly influential.

R350 that Parental leave where they went on two visits to New York, Meghan released a book, and Harry appeared on a couple podcasts, and Meghan appeared on Ellen...........

Did they get paid by Oprah and Ellen for their appearances while Netflix had paid them to do something....anything.

They're not cutting them loose because they've already paid out a nonrefundable advance.

They're hoping to recoup some of that by getting at least one programme out, but it will cost them the extra money to get it on decent shape. If by some chance it does well, everyone will save some face.

Cutting them loose now throws the advance down the crapper and makes the company look as big fools as the Harkles.

Both Netflix and Spotify are in financial trouble. Neil Young is starting a boycott of Spotify over Joe Rogan and a lot of musicians may be joining him. They're probably both in financial trouble because of showering money on twits like Harry and Meghan.

I just see this as throwing money after bad. Cut the losses and sue if they breached their contracts.

Yeah, sunk cost fallacy. Does anyone think the process will go faster bringing in a team? Miss M will still be sending emails at 5 AM.

Meghan doesn't give a shit. This is Harry's problem. She'll just find another man. She didnt do spotify? Oh well, she still got an advance and they got shit. Their problem, not hers. Same with Pearl. Let it burn who cares. Like Scarlett said, tomorrow is another day.

She’s 40 and currently fat, r360. Men won’t be beating down her door.

[quote] Did anyone else notice that in the Gimlet/Spotify job description this priceless line:

"At Gimlet, ideas matter more than titles."

And the tidbit from the Spotify job description: “… collaborate with grace, humility…”.

Is that a red flag or what?

From a PR perspective, is there a way back from having such an unpleasant public persona? I can't think of anybody that has managed it.

[quote] And the tidbit from the Spotify job description: “… collaborate with grace, humility…”.

This is really funny. Truly hilarious.

Someone has a sick sense of humor.

My guess is Spotify and Netflix fell for it and paid H&M a fair amount of money upfront (remember they signed these deals before it was known that Harry & Meghan were going to be cast out into Royal oblivion). It's known that Netflix had actually tried to court Prince William several years ago to do a documentary series and her turned them down (likely due to their producing The Crown), so I'm sure Netflix leapt when H&M came calling thinking they had nagged real royalty.

They seemed like a good idea at the time.

Nope r365. That's not how it works. They would have been given a small advance but nothing close to what they are pretending the "deal" was actually worth.

Hilarious that the Klan fraus now consider Windsor a desirable location. Three years ago they were all screeching about it being under the Heathrow flight path just because M & H were living there.

Fort Belvedere is a mess and every property in the UK comes with the grim UK weather attached, so why bother with an outdoor swimming pool? Kate skips off to warmer climes for every vacation she's allowed to take; Meghan lives in the sun year round, right next to the ocean.

R368 Just doesn't get it. There *isnt* anything wrong about FC or Windsor. But Meghan hates it for those reasons listed and we laugh about that because she's so ridiculous and petty and miserable.

They put a bubble over the pool and heat it in the winter, like they do at Highgrove.

It's a pretty safe bet that R68 included some "klan granny" nonsense in her (very likely very inane) message . . . thank God I've finally put this loon on ignore. The BRF-related threads are so much more enjoyable now.

^ Sorry, it's not R68, but R368.

R367 It's true that the dealveas vastly overhyped and even cut in half was predicated on hugely successful product.

But it's also likely that they were given a low-mid seven figure advance to hire staff, write, edit, etc. This was not an advance to sit on her arse and "write". This has to be scripted for the genre.

The Spotify issue was no product at all.

The Netflix issue was bad product.

Harry and Meghan are so out of touch with reality it's shocking.

They've both drunk the royal Koolaid cup to the dregs. They think that no one will hold them accountable for doing nothing for a year to honour their contract because of WHO THEY ARE!!!

Imagine their shock.

I dread their inevitable return to being working Royals. I do hope Harry will lose the interloper before he realizes that he's been prepared for nothing in life beyond being a hapless and fun-loving spare. I would kill for that position in this life!

R374 William will never allow Meghan back into the fold. Even Harry I'd say is iffy.

R375, I agree. Those two are messing around with Russians, and maybe they’re a bit compromised. They wanted out, they’re out.

If Harry gets too nasty in his “memoirs”, it’s over.

r356 Perfectly put.This is a face saving exercise because they have realised they miscalculated the Harkles popularity, influence, connections and talent.They need to try to salvage at least some content from them to justify the money they have already spent on this folly .It is a failed gamble and while the Harkles poor work ethic and grifting entitlement is shocking I would argue Spotify and Netflix deserved to get their fingers burnt.

Perez Hilton has tweeted about the rumors Megz has a sex tape out there

If she doesn't sue,

it might be true.

Looks like it isn't just the UK tabloids who hate Meghan.

"hate Meghan"? Oh, fuck off, please.

So much for being a reformed bully Perez. Snort.

Will Meghan sue? That girl won't have a dime left once her lawyers have fleeced her.

I hate Perez but in fairness to him, he was the only American gossip blogger who has been calling out Meghan since she married into the royals. People in LA have her number but are too chicken shit to say anything but she's represented by Sunshine Sachs which is basically the major PR player in Hollywood.

I wonder how fed up Sunshine Sachs must be getting with them. The Harkles seem to shit all over anything they take. That can't be good for SS's business and it looks like they're going broke so they aren't a filthy rich/influential celeb couple to promote.

So, here I am new to LA, a foreign well clad person, looking to up my profile. Have loads of dough to do it. So, I sashay into SS to take a meeting. I say who are you clients? Think SS would be proud to say or the Dook & Dookess!

The sex tape rumour has been around for ages. And I don't think Hilton can be sued for speculating about what someone else told him. It would be different if he asserted that he knew one was out there. Any legal experts out there? What if he produces the evidence that someone really did contact him about it?

R387 if you had something that juicy, you wouldn't go to a shameless hasbeen like Perez

R388 You might if you were trying to keep the story alive. You KNOW none of the tabloids would touch it, let alone the broadsheets.

KLAN DOG THREAD F & F

It seems like the US media which had been promoting the Harkles like they were the best thing since sliced bread, have forsaken them. Even Vanity Fair has been critical.

Meghan being vexatiously litigious, it is pretty weird indeed she has never sued the ones who brought up that sex tape rumour . . .

R391 mistakes the BRITISH media for the U.S. media. You rarely see stories about her here except a handful of her PR stories. The BRITISH media however, has done nothing but report on them since the moment they left. They were never on anyone's radar here.

R393 Not entirely true. Certainly, it's nothing like the coverage in Britain, but periodically, when there is real news (the lawsuits, the Interview, the recent Spotify/Netflix fracas, etc.), the US media cover them. Outlets from the NY TIMES to the POST (which jeered at the NYC tour in large headlines) to the fashion/society rags (Bazaar, Vogue, Vanity Fair, and Town and Country all cover the royals regularly, as do Marie Claire and Cosmopolitan), have run stories on them, as do the Huffington Post and recently, the Drudge Report.

They were way overexposed way too early. The tactic was to put themselves on the map outside the BRF quickly, but linked to the BRF, on the assumption that that would cement their "celebrity" and they could move on from there.

Unfortunately for them, they had nothing with which to follow up the Royal Heroic Survivors that could possibly outsell it.

The air went out of that balloon startlingly quickly. They didn't take America by storm, and they burnt their bridges back to the really cushy UK gig for which they had so much contempt.

It was the classic miscalculation for which Meghan, especially, has become famous.

You're right that most people in America are spectacularly uninterested in them, and the media there reflects that, but it doesn't ignore them, either.

The irony is that what the Sussexes really wanted, and expected to get outside the UK, was the same level of media interest they got within the UK, only All Nice All The Time.

The lesson they learnt quickly was that outside the UK, the only time they they got that kind of media attention outside it was when trashing the BRF and UK.

They found themselves hoist with their own petard, stuck hopelessly on the horns of a dilemma. Their only source of financial success through celebrity is to keep alive the very thing they claim to have fled. Not to mention the contrasting glow their stupidity cast over William and Kate.

And the whole escapade was fueled by two things: Harry's lifelong inchoate rage, which leaped eagerly at the door that Meghan's nearly psychotic level of self-confidence.

They will always live well. But not at the pinnacle they expected. They are one of the most mutually destructive couples I have ever observed.

Think of them as the Sid and Nancy of royalty.

Brilliant 394. I am grateful to them, they did give me loads of laughs during the shut down. So many historical misses, like a comedy series. Love them for the laughs & gaffes.

Last night Stephen Colbert was doing his monologue and talking about Prince Andrew. He threw in that the Royal family is racist. Oh really? Fuck you, Colbert. You come from South Carolina. No 'racist' in the UK can hold a candle to the American homegrown variety.

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Desperation is what that's all about r397.

R397 they're desperate to look like Hollywood A listers. And everybody knows Holland is gay so that relationship is a publicity stunt.

Someone finally told them that the Clooneys are so 2004. And then Meghan asked who was the “It Couple” now.

'And everybody knows Holland is gay so that relationship is a publicity stunt'.

"everybody' = the PR Troll on Datalounge

Someone on twitter is suggestion that Meghan and Harry are making a movie about their lives and want Holland and Zendaya to play them.

LMFAO r402!

Not everyone in South Carolina is racist.

Zendaya doesn’t have the body to play Meghan.

R405, she's not fat enough to play Meghan.

R406, yeah, that’s what I meant. But, actually, Zendaya is just thin. She has giant shoulders and skinny legs, just like Meghan.

Zendaya is very tall. Meghan is a chubby shortass.

Zendaya doesn't look tall. She looks short with 6 inch heels.

Well then Tom Holland must be Peter Dinklage's height. Why would Zendaya want to star in a biopic about a suitcase girl turned D list actress?

Harry and Meghan are so irrelevant in the grand scheme of the media world. They bring nothing to the game except their faux self-importance.

Do we know for sure that this H&M meeting with Tom Holland and Zendaya actually took place or is it just Sunshine Sachs feeding reporters/journalists lies again to keep the Sussex Clowns in the news?

R412, what are the odds the former being the case? . . .

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, undoubtedly it's the latter that is being the case.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

I really wish Jesus Enrique stuck to body language analysis and didn’t sully himself with the cheap shots. His analysis is so good and he explains things so well. But I really don’t dog him stooping to the level of other YouTubers. I get why he does it (likes, subscribers), but I think he’s better than that.

Are we assuming Tom and Zendaya use the same PR firm? I found something that said people were shipping them in 2017. I think she’s a beard.

I can’t imagine that any good PR firm would want them associated with a tainted brand, with those old codgers.

R416 how is that a cheap shot? Of course H&M are going to write a movie about their lives and want actors who are far too young to play them.

I think the Body Language guy gets most of his views on his Meghan / Harry videos. But agree that there's enough material in the body language without going further.

He had one video where Meghan was mad at her own mother for "interrupting" her (Meg). She wasn't even interrupting her (just interjecting). But even if she (Doria) were interrupting, so what. My mom would have kicked my ass if I acted like Meghan.

R417, he’s starting to make more sarcastic asides, and I think it erodes his credibility and gravitas. It’s just my opinion. I think he has something of real value to offer and there are plenty of other creators who make jokes. It’s a minor quibble. I still really like him.

Holland and Zendaya are uneducated former child actors so this was definitely a meeting of the mindless with Harry and Meghan.

R418, haha. There are many times where we’ve seen the mask slip.

Doria is the one person I’d like to know more about. There’s a story there…

Oh yes there is and it's being carefully hidden r421. Momma is a grifter herself.

Wow. The Meghan Death Stare. If looks could kill, Doria would have been lying in a bloody heap on the floor. Meghan doesn't seem to get along with anybody even her Ma.

New US poll out shows 68% have a positive impression of Kate to 31% who have a positive impression of Meghan.

I remember that video because it was caught by a person invited to the Grendel cookbook celebration from across the room. The "Duchess" didn't have TV or pap cameras trained on her when the mask crashed momentarily. She and Momma were engaged in conversation with a guy, and Momma made the mistake of being too exuberant or deeply interested in the moment Meghan's momentary woke moment. And Doria ain't elderly enough to have asked some whippersnapper for "permission."

Where's the person always harping about how "popular" Meghan is in the U.S.? They need to see r424.

Of course, H & M have to put out a statement about Spotify and misinformation (word salads make them feel important and relevant) but they still work with them. It's all about the money not principle.

Those two should just STFU. They make themselves a laughing stock when they issue statements.

These two tossers have been providing so much fun throughout the pandemic.

Thank you for your idiocy, Mr Duke and Mme Duchess!

Anyone who works with them after this is just asking for it. In the past two years, they’ve shown who and what they are.

Talented people can get away with pretty much anything if they bring in the big bucks. Have these two made ANYONE rich? No. They sow chaos and flounce off to the next thing.

R430 is correct - the burn bridges left, right and centre. Nobody will work with them after this.

God, everytime there is a new "issue" they jump right on top of it. Off the top of my head: vaccine inequity, family leave, MLK, departure from Afghanistan, Haiti earthquake, etc. I know there are more. Why on earth do they think anyone needs to hear from them? Think about their idols the Obamas, Gates, Oprah - none of these people release statements for every damn thing happening in the world. There is no focus from Archewell, only "pick me!" energy. It's pathetic.

They are both low-functioning individuals. Those poor poor children.

Until you, too, have suffered with the offerings at the Sizzler salad bar - speak not!

She even had to lie about the salad bar. I wonder how long it will take Harry to realize that if she lies so easily about both trivial and substantial matters to others, she's also conning him. What a slow burn for Harry isolated in CA.

R435, Harry is a liar himself. Birds of a feather ...

R435 Harry has spent his life lying to himself and hasn't been shy about lying to the public.

He's just as shallow, cynical, and dishonest as she is. He married her because they really are soulmates.

That doesn't mean she can't hurt him. You know, as the old Nirdic saying has it, a nicely sharpened weapon is also dangerous to the hand that wields it.

It would be something in the way of karmic justice, and I'm not saying it won't ever happen.

But don't kid yourself about Harry not knowing who she is. He married her because of those traits, not despite them.

^*Nordic (not Nirdic)

Birds of a feather flock together. He is not innocent. Look at his lying on Oprah.

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Harry’s having infinite navel gazing time has probably only hurt him.

I tend toward the morose just as Harry does, and I’m infinitely happier when I’m busy.

Jesus. The glorification of narcissism and the disregard for the need to be able to tolerate disappointment, failures, obstacles . . . This is the disease of the First World being sold like snake oil by one of its poster children.

He really is his mother's son. Diana went in for psychics, healers, colonic irrigation . . . She still couldn't sustain a relationship with a half decent man.

Meanwhile, his brother and sister-in- law are just getting on with the job and looking way better than he does indulging his central tragedy, that he thoughr he was receiving too little for doing what he thought was way too much.

Self-employed people who open their own businesses work harder than anyone else to make those successful. It's a 24/7 commitment, and hands-on.

Harry and Meghan are the poster illustrations of a willfully bankrupt and effete culture.

As for Serena Williams - at least she worked hard for what she achieved. I can only assume she's there to be sure that the black community gets the message that narcissistic entitlement is for them, too!

If she'd had Harry for a life coach 20 years ago, she wouldn't have all those cups on her mantelpiece.

They're sickening.

Why is Serena light orangey-beige?

If Serena has half a brain she will disassociate from the train-wreck that is Harry and Meghan and Betterup.

R445 - What the fuck did Serena Williams do to her face?!

She looks like she got a full surgical facial, bleached her skin . . . I didn't even recognise her at first!

If that's what Harry's Life Coaching brought her to, she's been had.

Ffs, she doesn't have to audition for film roles, or earn money, or carve out a place in history . . .

That is just sad.

R446 I bet her husband has invested in that dumb start-up.

Where's the pic where you can see Meghan flashing her snatch to Serena's husband WHEN YOU REALLY NEED IT ffs

R447 Even if Ohanian did, why would that be a reason for her to shapeshift like that? She looks five shades lighter, her hair is practically blonde, and she puffed up her lips.

I realise rich celebrities like to change their appearance like they change their clothes, and she's free to do so, but it does send an unfortunate message, especially as Harry's wife is the charter member of the Talks BLM But Yearns (poops, that's "leans") Marries Breeds Hair Type White Club.

Too bad. I liked Serena better in her Fuck You I'm Big and Black and a Winner persona.

She reminds me in this of Gillian Holroyd in Bell Book and Candle after she loses her power by falling in love, and show5up in a sweetheart dress and a little pearl pendant

Goodbye badass witch, hello Betty Crocker.

All that surgery and poor Serena STILL looks like a man in drag.

The Queen has made it known she wants Camilla to be known as Queen when Charles becomes King. This is HUGE! It's going to make it A LOT harder to shit all over Camilla in his upcoming memoir without it looking like he's attacking his grandmother too.

Once again, the sound of smashing china can be heard in Montecito.

[quote]The Queen has made it known she wants Camilla to be known as Queen when Charles becomes King. This is HUGE!

There was hardly any doubt that Camilla would be known as Queen, as she should be when her husband ascends to the throne.

R453 Yes but the Queen confirming this has basically cleared the path for Charles to become King without any hiccups.

In addition to making it impossible for Harry to tip a bucket on Camilla in his upcoming autobiography without it looking like he’s criticising HM.

R454 Oh, she has a few more little matters to attend to to clean house . . .

Handing William CG ice the Royal Marines, issuing Letters Patent restricting HRHs only to children of direct heirs . . .

Anyone got a Telegraph subscription?

R457 (and anyone else): use this site to bypass paywalls. It usually works. It worked on r457’s article.

TL:dr the article speculates that Harry may havehad a hair transplant.

Not true r454. The backlash to this is pretty bad already. Charles is rightfully being challenged on this, and on the lying. As close as 18 months ago only 13% of UK citizens were interested in a queen camilla. Over 60% were opposed.

Harry's going to be bald within a year. So he's getting hair plugs put in.

R459 I'm sure in the US, the backlash is stronger than in the UK. What the Queen's message has done has cleared up the question of Camilla's status before she dies in order to allow Charles to succeed her without that question dangling. Yes people might not be in love with the idea of Queen Camilla but it's not going to bring down the monarchy and in time, people will grow accostum to it, in the same way most people have grown accustom to Charles and Camilla married.

Any backlash in the USA being completely irrelevant of course.

What backlash? With the exception of the Diana maniacs, no one cares if Camilla is called Queen or not.

The truth is that so much Camilla hate is based in the fact that she is less attractive than Diana. If she had been stunningly beautiful, people wouldn't have cared as much.

July 1 2021 pol!.

R465 have you advised HM of her mistake, based upon a poll in the Express?

R466 that legit made me LOL :)

Look, Camilla was always going to be Queen Consort legally, that's not even up for debate. When she and Charles married the whole Princess Consort thing was, IMHO, a PR move to get the public to accept the idea of Charles and Camilla being married. Charles' endgame has always been to have Camilla crowned beside him when he becomes King. You can moan and groan about it, but the fact is Camilla is the woman Charles has loved for most of his adult life and he wants her accorded the status he feels she is due.

The fact that the Queen, the most respected monarch in our history, the head of the Church of England, and someone who in the past would not even allow Camilla's name to be uttered in her presence, has given her support publicly for Camilla to be the next person to hold the title of Queen ends the debate. Most people will respect it and move on. It's only a big deal to the Diana manics who need to get a life, and to American who don't matter anyways. Camilla being Queen Consort will not end the monarchy or really effect it's popularity.

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As all of twitter is killing itself currently making fun of Harry's "inner work", they'll probably lay low for a while.

R465 - The DE polls are absurd - they're all readers. These aren't like polls done by YouGov.

Been wondering how the Harkles are going to handle the anniversary. They're furious, of course, about Camilla getting the NT, and the Queen cloaking Camilla in acceptance and approval; the axe is probably going to fall soon on William getting CG of the Royal Marines . . . It's TQ who refused to let them have their cake and eat it, too; who took away the SussexRoyal brand; who issued that "recollections may vary" meme; who let that No They Never Discussed The Name Lilibet With Me cat out of the bag; who greenlit Knauf to hand over those emails exposing Meghan as a perjurer and Harry as an enthusiastic misinformationist when it suited him . . .

It's comical, really: they name their kid "Lilibet" but don't put one of their congratulatory word salads up on Archewell recognising the importance of the date to her life on both the personal and historic fronts.

They're such a pair of graceless sullen petulant twats.

Please please let them move to NYC & Megs be a host on the View..Please.

The Post would fry them everyday, all day. Imagine some of the verbal slurs hurled at them by the homeless, construction workers, cab & bus drivers & others. NYers are immune to celeb worshipping. They wouldn't know what to do & would make it so much worse. Imagine Harry Krishna with all his manchild whinge & whining. Oh God, it would be the best free comedy show. Betcha even SNL would start to pile on, as well as Late nite shows, Howard Stern. No need to search for funny shows or new standup, laughs by the bushel.

Harry Krishna! 😂😂😂

R472, I wish that, too. Montecito is probably too genteel and laid back (I’m not familiar with California, but imagine it to be like East Hampton with nicer weather and mountains.) Nobody heckles them on the street; proper deference is shown.

New York is a whole other place…

Stern won’t mock them. They’ll go ON Stern. He’s not what he used to be.

It's quite understandable that William and Harry would have mixed feelings about the Queen's Accession message because of the shadow of Diana. I didn't expect either one to comment on it, and I don't thi k she and Charles did, either. (Hey, way to go, Cammue! W&H.)

But the Cambridges retweeted her message on their own site, at least doing the Queen the courtesy of acknowledging the date and what it signified. It was the adult response.

I understand the Queen's desire to help the custom of succession take its appointed course, but I still think it's a mistake and with all the good intentions in the world, Charles refusing to step aside for William will end the monarchy.

The monarchy's only hope is that Charles dies before his mother, or shortly after, so the hugely popular young couple can take over a d detach ot from these tangles and move forward.

R475, I’d love for Howard to interview them with the aim of uncovering them. He has an uncanny ability to find the soft spot, the sore spot, and dig away at it.

If he was a resentful outsider interviewing a smug insider, he’d go for the jugular. But now he’s a soft and comfortable insider and he’s lost his hunger and his edge.

It’s a pity. He’s a brilliant spur.

Howard would spend the whole interview telling Meghan how hot she is and Harry how hard done by he is.

[quote]I still think it's a mistake and with all the good intentions in the world, Charles refusing to step aside for William will end the monarchy.

Short of a serious tragedy, that won't happen.

Once again, the Monarchy is not Hollywood, and is not a beauty contest, nor a congeniality contest.

Charles and Camilla will be sufficient as King and Queen, albeit I expect they're reign will be muted and likely not very very memorable.

As R479 said, baring a major disaster or huge scandal, the monarchy is very unlikely to end if/when Charles becomes King. People who believe otherwise are misreading the room, there is no real serious support in the UK to end the monarchy. People are less reverent about it today than they were a generation or two ago, but there is an emotional element that binds people to the royal family in a way that is very hard to explain to people who are not British.

Support for become a republic has never risen beyond about 30% (usually it averages around 25%). Charles' popularity is around 65%. While that is lower than the Queen, William, Catherine, and Anne, it's still higher than every politician in the country (in fact many politicians would kill for an approval rating above 50%). There will not be the same affection for Charles as his mother, but he is not loathed or hated as much as people (particularly people who dislike the monarchy) think. I think Charles reign will be comparable to Edward VII's. When Queen Victoria was on the throne, many doubted the monarchy would survive when Edward become King. He was plagued by scandal, had numerous affairs, and was known for his extravagant lifestyle. Yet by the end of his short reign, he was beloved and I expect given times Charles will be come a respected, if not loved monarch.

The truth is, the Queen's death will cause worldwide interest, and so will Charles' coronation which will likely revive a degree of support for the institution. No one can predict the future, but my money is still on a King Charles (or George VII) followed by King William...then who knows.

[quote] my money is still on a King Charles (or George VII) followed by King William...then who knows.

Ahem, what am I? Chopped liver?

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I don’t want a drafty old musty fusty castle in dreary old England! I have 17 bathrooms and all the avocados you could want in sunny Moneycito!

I can just picture Smeg pulling a Joan Crawford ! Running around screeching and throwing tantrums. I bet Harry is miserable beyond belief but knows he shot himself in the foot. Even if he divorced her and slunk back home,he knows he will never again attain the popularity he once enjoyed.

He may be an idiot but I guess even if he wants to leave at this point, he feels he can't because of Merchie and Lilibucks.

In case of divorce, he might as well take Merchie with him and leave Lilibucks with Meghan. The girl is, after all, what Meghan wanted for her merching schemes, the boy has become very likely pretty much useless in her eyes now that Lil' Di has arrived. '

Having two meal tickets, of course, helps her plans, too --- one kid per parent when the divorce will eventually happen. Poor Archie will go with Harry while Lil' Di, the golden child, will remain with Meghan.

What is this, “The Parent Trap”?! People don’t do that. The kids stay together.

In that scenario, I don't think it's Archie who deserves the 'poor' label, R487.

"poor" Archie as in neglected by his mother due to her now having Lil' Diana

I think any children in Meghan’s clutches are to be pitied.

I seriously doubt if Meghan has the slightest maternal instinct or the slightest love for children. Her kids are bargaining chips, nothing more.

She's like Angelina whose kids are just accessories.

Meghan seemed to be copying Angelina with her chasing after international humanitarian organizations to get publicity for looking like an 'activist' without doing anything but flying (on the charity's dime) to events and reading speeches somebody else wrote. But Angelina got A+ list gigs with UNHCR. Meghan got the D listers.

R494, someone at the UN oI got wise.

Where are those two going to go, now?

I saw a very brief clip of Harry at that Better Up event and wow does he ever have crazy eyes. He must have stopped taking his meds.

These two deserve all the misery they get. They had one of the easiest gigs on the planet. They just had to show up to a couple events a month, and go on a few tours a year and they would've been among the most popular and relevant couples on the planet. The problem is that outside of the prestige of the royal family, they are boring. There is nothing special about them. Harry is an idiot and Meghan is former cable actress. Being royal opens way more doors than being ex-royals in California.

I just read 'Traitor King' about Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson and the parallels between them and the Harkles are all over the place.

Bitter, nasty, celebrity-obsessed arseholes.

[QUOTE] William getting CG of the Royal Marines

The Marines don't want him because he hasn't done active service in a war zone. They want Ant Middleton.

[QUOTE] Oh Meghan is going to flip. Rumors have it William and Catherine will take over Windsor Castle when Charles becomes King.

What a ghastly place to have to live. No swimming pool and endless planes overhead. Rather them than me.

^Yes. the difference is that the Windsors knew that once out they were irrelevant. The Sussexes are taking somewhat longer to read the room, but it's dawning, Inexorably, if slowly.

Today, he released an interview in which he yet again raised his mother's ghost pledging to "continue" her "work for AIDS" and urging Britons to get tested.

He clearly either doesn't know what decade this is or doesn't care. I'm sure we'd all like to know exactly how Harry plans to "continue" this "work" besides uttering one empty inanity that ignores where we are today, but he thinks makes him look good whilst attaching himself yet again to his mother's exhausted name.

It's clearly a fuck you yo the Queen and his father.

He is so pathetic.

He thinks we all have a duty to get HIV tested. Great Harry because all NHS labs have staff twiddling their thumbs right now and can afford to run hundreds of hugely expensive tests on analysers that would otherwise be idle /s

The only thing he wanted was to insert his dead mother into that interview in order to get attention (let's face it, hardly anybody gives a fuck about Harry himself), so he came up with the HIV thing. He's such a predictable and pathetic twat.

Prince Harry Krishna: Please let your Mum Rest In Peace. She experienced so little peace in her short life. Stop with the death porn, tacky, disrespectful, gross..

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[quote]She looks five shades lighter, her hair is practically blonde, and she puffed up her lips.

It's ridiculous to imply skin bleaching. She's been injured since before Wimbledon, missed the Australian and obviously hasn't been hitting the courts or getting as much sun exposure. It's the middle of winter, too. Black people do tan and change shades, you know. Lots of women from different ethnicities lighten their hair. The lips, however.🙄

Is he under the influence (re the pic in R504's link)

Oh brother. No, everyone should not get tested for HIV. Huge swaths of the population are not at risk for contracting it. Those who are in the risk groups should be tested, ideally, I think.

But in case he hasn’t noticed, the world is working on Covid now. The labs are busy with that particular virus, which is affecting all groups.

R504 - I suspect Harry brought up his mother Diana as a big FUCK YOU to the Queen, Charles and Camilla.

Since Her Majesty gave her blessing to Camilla's future title, Camilla has been getting positive headlines lately and Harry needed to remind people who the REAL QUEEN should be.

He has a serious case of crazy eyes these days.

Gareth Thomas is a Twat.

Maybe he could have given advice how to avoid infection.

r510, I totally agree, Gareth Thomas is the worst kind of shit to be the face of HIV. Lying cunt lived a hetero married life until his rugby union life was done, then the rugby league took him on when he came out and his career was finished. Prick never cared for RL.

Dear God. Jumping on yet another cause. What happened to Travalyst, vaccines, Haiti, god knows what else. Do they have a "cause" roulette wheel they spin each morning during coffee and then Meghan furiously writes as many words as she can so they can issue a statement before lunch?

Whenever the Cambridges or the rest of the royals are in the news, the Harkles have to think up some cause they need to publicize to try to get some attention. There's a big event going on in the UAE with the Cambridges and of course the Queen announced she wanted Camilla to be Queen, so Harry the genius came up with 'tell people to get tested for HIV' in the midst of a COVID pandemic with healthcare workers already pushed beyond their limits.

Harry's dumb as a post.

I believe they are trying anything they think will give them traction/attention r512.

R513, apparently, the NHS screens for AIDS when a person gets a blood test.

[quote]Harry the genius came up with 'tell people to get tested for HIV' in the midst of a COVID pandemic with healthcare workers already pushed beyond their limits.

That's amusing. My local Northern California Rite Aid shortened pharmacy hours by one hour each evening in the fall because they were short-staffed and processing a wave of Covid tests past closing..

r514, prenatal screening yes. not for every blood test.

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I’m sure the residents of the exclusive enclave of Montecito very much appreciate Meghan announcing to the works that it smells like shit.

Seems like sour grapes to me.

This royal chapel where I’m about to marry a prince smells musty. Spray some air freshener.

This historic house on palace grounds is too accessible to plebeians.

I’m not over the moon about this mansion in an exclusive enclave. It smells bad.

^^ announcing to the world

I’m cracking up at the balls on this one. Hey, Oprah, your neighborhood is stinky, so we’re leaving! It smells bad at Adele’s house. Peee Yeeew! Can’t wait to sell this mansion and get out of this odorous town!

Everyone in Montecito is breathing in Oprah's fart air.

r520 Oprah farts??

How the fuck are they gonna sell it after announcing to the world, the property stinks.

The place stinks because of Harry's bad personal hygiene.

you can knock 50% off the next upcoming list price ...

Between Harry's smegma, Meghan's pit stains, and the chicken coup, it's getting gamey.

Sources close to the publisher are saying Harry is going to trash Camilla in the new book, as well as in a corresponding documentary for Netflix.

Harry is a sick man. Sick sick sick

Harry will be VERY sorry if he trashes Camilla. I think that's the one no-no as far as Charles is concerned. He'll be pretty well dead to his father.

I can understand why Harry would hate Camilla.

We DLers like her because she seems like she’d be fun to drink with. But for Harry, there’s a lot more history.

It's not like she helped raise him. She didn't marry his father until he was 21 or so, a full fledged adult. All of Charles and Camilla's children were fully grown when they wed, it's not like they were all forced to live together as one big fake happy family for years.

Yes she had a part in his parents' marital breakup. But there were several factors involved in that split. Many marriages end, half the marriages of his friends also ended in divorce, it's not like it was an unheard-of thing in his circles. Why would he now, when his father's been happily married to her for 20 years, come out blasting her? His mother is long dead, harping on Camilla isn't going to bring her back or fix the past.

It's all about money and cash, as far as I'm concerned.

Richard Kay had a very interesting piece in the Daily Mail the other day about how Harry seemed to move beyond his mother's death until he met Meghan and the suddenly he became obsessed with it.

R531 That's how she nailed him.

I hope he does trash Camilla. It will be the last straw for Charles and ensure the Harkles never return and and that the Sussex kids don't get HRHs.

If Harry trashes the institution, maybe they'll even cut him out of the line of succession.

R532 the line of succession is not a popularity contest. They aren't going to fuck with it. Once you take out one "bad apple" the whole thing falls apart.

The only way things will be changed is if Will and the kids are wiped out in some freak accident. The British people will abolish the monarchy faster than you can blink

Harry's rapidly running out of trashy secrets to sell. What's he going to do then? He's burnt all his bridges with his rich father. The novelty factor of a former royal running his mouth about subjects he's ignorant of has already run out. He's a laughing stock with his advice to quit your job to be happy and telling employers to give their employees 45 min every morning to gaze at their navels. He's truly stupid.

So, is it true that if Charles pre-deceases his mother, then the Harkle kids will never be HRH's? I mean, by the current law - who knows if King William would do something for them.

He made swipes at Kate and her family in the last book. His brother is done with him. Now if he attacks Camilla, say bye bye to any sympathy from Daddy. Camilla's grandchildren will appreciate the extra trust funds.

R535 they would have no right to HRHs without a King Charles. And there's no reason for William to make a special exception for his estranged niece and nephew living on the other side of the world.

Richard Kay knew Diana a lot better than Harry ever did. He was pretty much her mouthpiece. She would call him up everyday to complain about something or other or just to gossip. I did wonder at the time if she might be sleeping with him. Kay has been much more discreet about his relationship with her after her death than the idiot butler and Morton ever have.

R533 - Yes, yes, yes, we've heard that over and over about the line of succession. But we're not talking about a "popularity contest" It's unlikely, I grant you - but if he actually trashes the institution itself, it really could cross a line into treasonous territory having nothing to do with polls. Frankly, I think the one thing that makes it most unlikely, no matter what Harry says, is Andrew. If Andrew weren't so thoroughly a pariah, they might be willing to break a few former barriers to get Harry finally and completely knocked off the royal scoreboard. Unfortunately, getting rid of Harry would just bump Andrew up, and his not too inspiring daughters, so . . . bottom line, I agree: most unlikely.

But it's interesting watching to see how close to the edge Harry is willing to skate.

Once Charles becomes King, Harry jumps up to fifth from sixth place. Until the Cambridge kids start breeding, Harry moves up rather than down.

It's just as well the Sussexes left and made fools of themselves. Fifth isn't so far down the line when you remember that all William's kids are under ten years old.

R535 - Yes: if Charles dies without becoming King, the Sussex kids never get those HRHs. They're only entitled to them if they become grandchildren of the Sovereign in the male line. No King Charles III, no Prince Archie and no Princess Lilibet.

And forget William fixing that for his brother. Not now, not ever.

And if Harry trashes Camilla and his father as per the rumours in his little "memoir", either TQ or Charles himself can issue Letters Patent limiting those HRHs only to children in the direct line of succession, beginning with the current generation.

The only reason the Sussexes still have the Sussex title is because Parliament would have had to sign off on it (although Parliament insisted that it was a matter solely for the Queen - what they meant was if she really wants it, they'll do it, but they won't take up the matter unless she gets all the ducks in a row first and submits the bill to them for approval) - and she knows bloody well that Parliament doesn't want to be drawn into this mess.

Otherwise, I suspect she would have taken the titles.

I do love how Harry keeps putting his ugly feet in his mouth every time he opens it. You can just hear the chains creaking as the drawbridge goes up ever higher with every pronouncement . . .

Considering Harry described Camilla like this in 2018:

“To be honest, she’s always been very close to me and William. She’s not a wicked stepmother. Look at the position she’s coming into. Don’t feel sorry for me and William, feel sorry for her.

She’s a wonderful woman and she’s made our father very, very happy which is the most important thing. William and I love her to bits.”

If he trashes her now after such effusive praise, it will be 100% attributed to the influence of his bitch wife and he'll look like a monumental hypocrite.

Harry is on record (even with video) acknowledging that William was the person who encouraged him to get help for his mental issues. But later, after his association with MM, his tale changed that it was the wife who encouraged him to seek help.

So, obviously, Harry has a limited grip on the truth.

He probably thinks his earlier statements on a topic somehow don't count.

Trashing Camilla this time around might be possible.

With the titles, I bet Charles will give Archie and Lilibet the option to obtain them when they are 18 - "to decide for themselves". Camilla is not speaking to Harry. It's been in several DL articles that Camilla has turned her back to Harry, along with Ann, and I think Sophie Wessex.

I very much doubt Charles will do that for them. They don't even live in the country and will never be working royals, and neither will their parents.

So are they moving out of death-scented Moneycito? Where will they go? Meghan is a rolling stone, and she has to be feeling the noose tighten around her neck right about now.

I have such mixed feelings about all this.

Meghan is intensely unlikeable, but I’ve no doubt she was given the cold shoulder a million different ways in Harry’s world.

That would have freaked me out, too. The difference is I never would have wanted to join that scene in the first place. I know I don’t have it in me to endure the petty snobbery.

I also don’t doubt Kate was a passive-aggressive bitch to Megs. She seems the type— social climbing, middle class spoiled little girl who only aspires to be a wife/mother. They are the biggest snobs on the planet.

Meghan never had any intention of integrating into the royal family. She was pushing 40, fame had eluded her. She was 'big' in certain circles in small-pond Toronto and unknown everywhere else. I'm sure she was thrilled at all the attention marrying Harry got her and figured it would translate into getting Major Roles in Oscar Bait Movies and the Hollywood A list which had snubbed her, would be at her feet.

Great tea from Tom Bower: Meghan allegedly hates Camilla because Camilla didn't buy her explanations about why she had cut off her whole family and was also concerned that Meghan was unable to keep friends. Camilla blames Meghan for Harry's uncharacteristic turn against his father. Bower believes the Sussex silence about the Queen's jubilee is Meghan's way of continuing the war a tactic she began with her father.

100% I believe Harry is going to out Camilla as the so-called "racist royal."

R547 hit the nail on the head. That bitch only wanted Harry because she really thought she could turn it into a huge career. She was probably more surprised than anyone when it all blew up in her face. If she was such a great "actress" she should have taken the commoner done good and turned it into an even bigger brand than Di was. Di didnt have the social media at her fingertips that Smegs does. But you can bet your ass had Di had it,she would have quickly learned how to turn it platinum !

[quote]100% I believe Harry is going to out Camilla as the so-called "racist royal."

I certainly hope that Meghan dares to manufacture that lie, because that will only blow-up in her face because who are you going to believe after Meghan has made it her hallmark to lie?

A few of the uninformed idiots that believe Camilla shouldn't be Queen 'because she's not as pretty as Diana' will fall for Meghan's nonsense, but not many more.

The DM article linked at r517 is a hoot. It makes me wonder if they printed it to make it more difficult to sell as a form of retribution. It's not the sort of information realtors pass along to prospective buyers. And if it's a private sale, Meghan sure ain't going to be honest and provide full disclosure.

I think Camilla is probably a stone cold bitch. She started making public appearances with Prince Charles less than a year after Diana’s death. That’s as trashy as it gets.

It’s possible to dislike both Meghan AND Camilla .

All reports about her behavior and demeanor are quite the opposite of that.

What do you mean by "public appearances?". That she was seen in public or that she is was making appearances on behalf of the Queen?

R552 As someone who met Camilla at a government reception in Toronto, my husband was working for the Ontario Government when she and Charles toured Canada as part of the Diamond Jubilee, if she's a stone cold bitch, she deserves an Oscar for acting. She was funny and charming and engaged with every single person there.

Prince Charles threw a lavish 50th birthday party for Camilla at Highgrove summer 1997 (before Diana’s death.)

Diana died Sept 1997.

1998- Prince Charles introduces William to Camilla. Harry reportedly doesn’t attend. Charles continues campaign to integrate Camilla into family functions throughout 1998. Interesting priority for a man with two traumatized children.

January 1999- Charles and Camilla appear and are photographed together at Camilla sister’s birthday party (Charles might have thrown the party- can’t remember.)

So, it was a little more than a year after Diana’s death before they were photographed as an official couple.

Sure, it would probably be easier for Harry to just let it go. But I can understand why he would resent Camilla. Not because of his mother, but because Camilla was Charles’s priority immediately after Diana’s death.

Typical straight guy behavior, by the way. After a wife dies, Widower often immediately abandons the kids to go out and get his freak on. Trashy.

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Twenty five fucking years ago. You might want to seek help to deal with your trauma R555.

In case you hadn't noticed r555, the events you listed are all private functions.

Wouldn't it have been weird if, after knowing the boys were aware about Camilla for years, Charles kept her furtively hidden from his sons? William and Harry were not children by that point. Well, Harry was, and still is, mentally a child.

I had the photo of this, but not the actual clip. It looks like Camilla is doing everything she can not to have one of those inappropriate "church giggles" where the more you try to contain it, the more it wants to come out. Kate is giving her the STFU look as these laughs are contagious. She wore the perfect hat.

I like Diana, but I do like Camilla. She seems like fun, doesn't take herself too seriously.

I don’t have any trauma, r557.

But weirdos lashing out at others on anonymous forms often do.

R556 - according to the Daily Mail,

[Quote]"Friends of Prince Harry have warned his no-holds barred book will lay bare his true feelings towards his step-mother Camilla and is likely to 'shake the monarchy to its core'."

I hope his ghost author disabuses him of this idea. First, Harry's not capable of doing the right thing if his life depended on it. His activities outside of the RF have been a series of own goals for two years now. Second, in light of her increasing popularity after the Queen's Jubilee message, it will likely lead to an increase in sympathy and support for Camilla. Besides, after the couple's history of mendacity, few are going to give him much credence.

Who thinks Harry Krishna might make it into the Dead Pool 2022?

r552 you are way off with your facts on timeline. Diana died 31st August 1997. She had separated from Charles in December 1992 and had been divorced from him since summer 1996. Camilla and Charles famous first appearance together at the Ritz Hotel London was winter 1999. Over 2 years after Diana died and over 3 years since they divorced and over 7 years since they separated. Not less than a year after Diana died.

r555 Camilla went under the radar in 1998 in terms of the media and the campaign to get her publicly accepted was pretty much dormant in that year.

R563, how is Jan 1999 more than two years after Sept 1997?

r561 Agreed. Harrys book no matter how salacious will not rock the monarchy to its foundations. He underestimates the fall in his popularity in the UK and overestimates his credibility if he believes that. The book will be nasty and cause a splash, ripples and then back to normal fairly quickly. He is stuck in a mindset were the world regards him well and He is popular and relevant. The reality is if the book is nasty it will crystallise his person non grata status in the UK.

r565 I remembered it as being in November but alas mea Culpa I was wrong but I really don't think it alters my fundamental point. Diana died in August by the way not September.

Harry and William put out a statement on 31st August 1998 saying on the 1st anniversary of Diana's death that they wished for the public to move on to a less intense stage of grief. I think that compliments and is consistent with them waiting until 1999 to debut Camilla albeit briefly.

Two kids put out a statement in 1998? I’m sure it was purely voluntary and not at all one of Charles’s manipulations.

That actually supports my argument that Charles was disregarding his children’s feelings to pursue “Operation Camilla” full time in 1998.

They are not that popular in the US. I think there was interest in them after wedding and then after the Oprah interview, but in LA, people like Meghan are a dime a dozen. I don't know what more they can really say to rock the monarchy. Camilla wondered what shade Archie would be? Who cares? We have so many problems with income inequality, racial tensions, issues w/ Ukraine, Covid - Americans don't have time for the complaints of the ultra rich and pampered. Many of us hate out step mothers going back to Cinderella. Unless they are sacrificing babies, I don't think anyone will really care. They have blown their loan multiple times.

r568 Nope it was Buckingham Palace statement on behalf of The Queen conveying the boys wishes. The Queen was against Camilla in 1998 so I think you are drawing up the wrong dots.

You’re hilarious, r570.

I doubt BP intended to support Camilla in releasing that statement. And, if released by BP, how is it coming from William and Harry (which was your original point)?

Queen famously boycotted Prince Charles’s 50th birthday in 1998 because she disapproved of how quickly Charles was moving with Camilla.

r571 I never said that statement was intended to support Camilla???

My point is if the boys indicated they wanted the public to move on, for public grief and public life to move on to some extent then Camilla making a public appearance in 1999 with Charles is consistent with that sentiment. Buckingham Palace and St James Palace pursued their own paths and so the statement was part of a plan to help Camilla as the Queen was not pro Camilla marrying Charles wy back then. It has everything to do with you drawing up the wrong dots and not understanding what I am saying and nothing to do with me being hilarious.

r571 Your actually saying much of what I have said. The boys were under 18 so a statement had to be put on their behalf so they didn't have their own offices and private secretaries. Isn't that obvious and implicit? I have already stated the Queen wasn't pro Camilla at that time so not sure what point you are contending. It wasn't the speed of the relationship se objected to but its existence even happening per se .

r572 Statemewas NOT part of a plan. Sorry quick typing.

While I think this has the potential to be embarrassing and uncomfortable for the royals, and yes it could dent Camilla's/Charles' reputation particularly outside of the UK, I don't Harry's book will "shake the monarchy to its core." Going in, every know Harry is going to trash his family but thanks to the Oprah interview and other interviews, we know what to expect. It'll focus on him being a victim and his his mother being a victim but will gloss over all the shit he did. In the UK, Harry and Meghan have been outted as liars thanks to their court case with the Daily Mail and you know the press in the UK is going to have a field day picking his claims apart. However, I do think this will be the final nail in the coffin for his relationship with his father and grandmother. The rest of the family, with the expectation of the Yorks, have basically deemed Harry a lost cause.

Harry's book will likely be the climax of the H&M saga. I think the marraige will breakdown within the a few more years, Harry will have burned too many bridges to ever be invited back to his family fold. Meghan will use the same tactics she used against the royal family to discredit Harry and try and bring him down. He'll be devastated and I suspect it'll end sadly for him.

Again, the funny thing is Meghan probably was snubbed by Harry’s family and friends. They didn’t do themselves any favors with that weird-ass wedding, though.

She should have pulled a Diana and found a way to subtly leak her mistreatment to the press.

I guess that’s why BP kept her on a short leash.

If he goes after Camilla, all that will happen is that she will get sympathy and become more popular in the UK than ever. That's what has happened to every family member he has trashed so far.

Nobody will believe a word he says because he lies so much, so Camilla will be seen as the victim in the situation. Harry's too dumb to realise that nobody cares about him anymore.

Great link at r548 from the Sun of all places. If that's a preview of Bowers's book on Meghan, we are all in for a well-researched, gossipy treat!

One thing in the Bower story stood out is that the royal family know that Meghan is behind Harry's attacks because apparently it's the same tactics she openly admitted to staff she was doing with her own father: keeping silent but letting her friends leak stories about her father to the press.

I remember the royals just wanted Meghan to go and met with her father to get him to shut up and she refused. I think even Harry was willing to talk to him and then Megz through a tantrum and then he turned on Megz father too.

Countdown to "I was molested" .... in 3-2-1 ....

Apparently Prince Harry attended the Super Bowl with Eugenie.

Interesting that after two years in the US he's never been seen in public with anyone but Meghan or a family member.......