PRINCE HARRY GIVE ME SOME SECURITY IN THE U.K. Or Else I'm Going to Court!!!

Here is the Full statement from Prince Harry’s legal spokesperson

This seems fair, actually. He doesn’t spend much time there anyway, and he can use his families security when he visits.

Watch out, Harry. Look what British security forces did to your mother!

His request is actually reasonable. If he's in the UK, there's a 100% chance he's going to be visiting family. If he's willing to pay for it, he should be protected by a security team plugged into the same network as his family.

No r2, he should not. It would cost taxpayers money, for each and every day he and his family are on UK soil. And there's not need for it. They are no longer working BRF members, but private citizens, just like their cousins Zara Tindall, and Beatrice and Eugenie, none of whom have tax-funded security.

They chose to live abroad, they chose the celebrity lifestyle they lead. It's their full responsibility to pay for their private security. It's utter tosh, the drivel re "security threats" to them and the like. What paranoia. There's no one out to get them, unless you count Prince William slipping on a balaclava to sneak up and slash their tires at night, out of sheer irritation with them.

Unlike the US, you cannot hire law enforcement as “private security” in the UK. Otherwise with all of the monied people in London, there won’t be any police left for regular people.

I can’t imagine that they wouldn’t do this as a matter of course. No one wants a dead Prince.

Why the fuck should he not pay for his security on personal business? He doesn't have anything else in the UK.

He isn’t a ‘working royal’ but he does do family related public activities when he is there, like when he visited to do the Diana tribute.

I see BetterUp's taught him to express himself. Isn't that special (NEEDS!)? Nobody fucking cares about him, that wife, or their Cabbage Patch fuckiing spawn.

He’s the worst. Go away ginger.

Presumably his private security would be armed with water pistols, It is against the law for close private security to carry weapons in the UK.

That includes Guns, Tasers, Batons, Pepper Spray, Mace or Knives.

[quote] No one wants a dead Prince.

No one outside the BRF

Don't touch the figs, Harry!

"He isn’t a ‘working royal’ but he does do family related public activities when he is there, like when he visited to do the Diana tribute." - In what way was the Diana tribute a royal family related public activity, r9? That was an activity of the Spencer family.

The little shit never even visits the UK and now he's trying to invent yet another excuse as to why it's all so terrible for him over here. He's been spending too much time in the US. You cannot hire police officers to offer private protection in the UK. He should just pay for private security.

The Diana statue unveiling was held at Kensington Palace with Prince William present. The guest list was carefully controlled and he'd have been surrounded by Royal Security. Same with the funeral of Prince Phillip.

They should have taken these things into consideration before they decided it was so horrible in the UK that they had to leave.

Is David Foster still "like a father" to halfwit Harry?

If so, have him cough up some moolah for security.

Harry is a hot muscle daddy.

It's ridiculous to not let him pay for short-term temporary security on par with the rest of his family's.

If anything happened to anyone in the Sussex family, the trolls on here would say they did it to themselves, just to get sympathy.

He wants to privately pay public police to be his private security? Lol. Tell me I read that wrong.

How much further down the polls does this prat want to sink? Is this for publicity, or thinking they will get some money from HM, Dad or the government?

Their thought processes are amazing! Irrational, stupid, immature & downright insane come to mind.

R21, you can do that in the U.S., but not, I think, in the U.K.

The drama will never end with these two. That’s just the way it’s always going to be.

Like anybody gives a fuck about that bald ginger and his old hag .

So:

- under UK law, his private security isn’t allowed weapons (not just guns but mace etc).

- Harry’s statement explicitly offers to pay the cost of a public security detail so no taxpayers are affected.

- His family would be well aware of public and private (crazy loonies, etc) threats against his family.

It seems petty and unreasonable to refuse this.

No it isn't, r26, if the rules of the Home Office bar payment by private parties to hire official police detail. Why should Harry get a special exception?

He's in no more danger than his York cousins, both of whom use privately hired and paid security when at public events. It's sufficient for them, it's sufficient for him. He's not the son of the monarch or in the close direct line of succession.

When his father becomes King, and he decides to visit the UK, they might be able to float this idea again, since he will then in fact be the child of the sitting monarch and ostensibly more of a real target. Until then: no one is looking at you, Harry.

R23, a business, political candidate, organization, etc can pay for "extra duty" officers for traffic and security. I've never heard of some mildly wealthy asshole just swanning about with a city police escort. From Peachtree, GA website:

[quote] Answer: The hourly rate is based on whether the request is for an officer to conduct general security, or if traffic control is required. A minimum of 4 hours is required. General Security is $35 per hour, Traffic Control $40 per hour, Holiday Security or Traffic Control $50 per hour, Movie Production $45 per hour, and any Road Construction/traffic control $40 per hour.

[quote] He's in no more danger than his York cousins

This is very unlikely, judging by even the vile things posted here about his family. He should get a special exception because his family would be a very high-value target, much more so than the girls.

They're just prepping to not go to the Jubilee. I've seen this boring Borderline game before. Excuses and accusations will come flying over the next few months. All in a bid to look like victims of it rather than just saying "no thanks, too hated".

The Klan Grannies are going to have a tough year in 2022 when Harry and Meghan don’t divorce, hang out with Queenie at the Jubilee, and publish Harry’s book. How embarrassing to see their delusions unravel!

R31 = one trick pony

I’m not sure I completely understand the situation, but it seems petty not to allow him to pay out of pocket for the type of security he previously had. OTOH, it seems pretty extreme to pursue a legal action that claims he is entitled to it.

Can he take Andrew’s security detail?

R4 That's absurd. His "family" lives by certain rules. The Met is not for personal hire. He is not a working royal and is nor entitled to special treatment. This is Harry and Meghan yet again demonstrating their increasingly obvious pathological desire to force the world to recognise their special special specialness.

Insisting that only the Met can REALLY give them the very very special security that very very special people get is a transparent and vicious attempt to remind the world that THEY ARE ROYAL!!!!!!!

I hope the Queen realises now just how foolish she was to treat Harry and Meghan as gently as she did. She was a fool not to take his title when he left.

These two are mentally I'll. They will never stop torturing his family. They're filled with poison.

As for the UK always being Harry's home - oh, is that why he's raising his kids in America as Americans?

They are truly sickening.

[quote] Insisting that only the Met can REALLY give them the very very special security that very very special people get

There’s a pretty extreme difference between an armed protective detail and an unarmed one. It’s not like they just have nicer uniforms.

I doubt he was just arbitrarily refused, or just denied an exception for no good reason. There's probably some nuance to this decision that Harry's statement isn't owning up to, in favor of WAAAH WE'RE STILL ROYAL!!!, and that we may never hear of for security reasons. But the Sussexes will absolutely let fester the narrative that the British government AND the royals all just hate them and want them dead. Oh but of course they still totally respect the lady in charge of it all.

R33 He is full of shit in the offer to pay for it. The Metropolitan Police Force is not available for personal hire. He knows that.

This is angry, vengeful, petulant Harry who cannot stop stirring the pot because he is obsessed with victimhood.

I don't think he even wants to visit Britain. He kn ou ws they're both hated there.

Thos way he has a good excuse not to appear at the Jubilee.

Fuck, they'd probably be booed in the street.

They're sick, they really are.

It's a reasonable request. He is willing to pay. R35 you are a prime example for the need for this security measure. It's why social media loves these threads on gossip sites. The histrionics and excessive angst always seems either batshit or forced.

[quote] I doubt he was just arbitrarily refused, or just denied an exception for no good reason.

I actually wonder if this is a sign that the Queen is still healing and not as in control as she was. The protective detail wasn’t pulled when they left for California, but instead between Philip’s funeral and the Diana statue dedication. This public announcement reminds me of Harry and Meghan pulling the trigger on their plan to move after Harry couldn’t get a meeting with his grandmother. Maybe this is another sign he’s not being allowed (by her or others) to talk to her at the moment.

R36 Oh, you think Harry wants armed protection from the paps? Because that's who was chasing his car in the event he cites. Not terrorists, news media

He wants to make sure he and his family are treated like the Cambridges, that's all this is about.

You don't know if it was a reasonable request because you don't know the specifics of what was requested, and you don't know why it was denied.

I think he wants armed protection from the paps (who helped cause the crash that killed his mother), as well as from lunatics like you.

R40 please stop with the nonsense that Granny is being kept from Harry. QEII does what she wants, as evidenced by how fucking long it took her to do the barest minimum to reign in Andrew.

R43 Yes I'm sure Diana would have been so much safer with a bodyguard shooting at the paps from her speeding car.

What is it about this family that make so many people spew nonsense (on both sides)?

[quote] [R35] you are a prime example for the need for this security measure.

[quote] as well as lunatics like you. R43

Alright, this adds up. So he needs British Police protection from DL posters? If that's your argument, someone get Harry Styles a secret service detail asap. Also, Timothee needs body armor.

They are never going back because they'll get booed everywhere they go. And actually, they really should not subject their kids to that. That would be sick. THEIR CHOICES.

First off, this application for the security began back in September of 2021. Why are we hearing about it now? Scoop is that the DM was going to report it, and Harry’s legal representative sent out a press briefing. Likely Harry wanted most of this maneuvering out of the public sphere. The press discovered it, and Harry hastily put together something rather than it being leaked.

My take on this aligns with what a few others have said about this whole thing being A Harkle Trojan Horse. It is not as much related to the upcoming jubilee, but rather the Harkles’ diminishing $$$.

The Harkles are OBSESSED with security protection have been and likely always will be. Recall that their Megxit statement identified them as IPP (International Protected Persons) demanding the security equivalent of presidents and prime ministers. That got slapped down.

Then they moved onto Canada demanding taxpayer Canadian protection. When that pulled, like theives in the night, they fled to the USA on a private jet to couch surf in Tyler Perry’s mansion.

They have since been paying for their own private security (or Charles has?), but there was talk that they made some inquires into getting US taxpayer funded security (which was very publicly slapped down by a Trump tweet).

Now Haz knows that UK police are not for hire for personal protection. Yet, he disingenuously offers to pay for them.

This Trojan Horse is most likely a return to be acknowledged as victims who are at great risk and need to be protected by official government sources....rather than private guards. By sliding into an attempt to do so in the UK and attempting to convince the UK gov with yet again threats of lawsuit, a belief that this would be granted could then be used to convince other governments such as the US, Canada (and wherever else they deign to travel) to provide official taxpayer funded security and relieve them of the heavy financial burden of providing their own 24/7 private security.

Hope the outrage globally is enough to prevent these grifters and liars from receiving ANY taxpayer funded security.

Even some of their stans are not buying this latest, BS. I think it already backfired on them

[quote] Hope the outrage globally

5 people posting on DL and Twitter isn’t global outage.

Trojan horse?

The psycho posts here should be enough to convince anyone they need security.

Seriously.

At a time when Andrew is being cast adrift and some are calling for his titles to be removed, he wants to choose this time to make the world focus on him, really?

Harry's "private" security won't be armed with guns, but they will be armed with video cameras.

So I think people in the US probably don't understand what the stink is about:

The issue is Harry wants armed police protection (the Met we call it here) while he's in the UK. The issue is that the police, who are funded by tax payers, cannot be "loaned out." They are not a for hire service they are their for the general public's protection. The only people who get 24/7 police protection in the UK are the Queen, Charles & Camilla, and William & Kate (H&M had it when they were working royals). Princess Anne and Edward get protection when they are on state-funded duties representing the Queen. The rest of the royals (Beatrice, Eugenie, Andrew, Edward's kids, Anne kids) do not because they are private citizens.

Second Harry can hire his own private bodyguards, but under British Law they cannot be armed.We have thing in the UK called gun control hence our lack of mass shootings.

Harry is perhaps too inbred to understand once you quit a job, you can't keep the benefits package.

I find it laughable Harry thinks he's less safe in the UK than in the US.

Either they are laying the ground work not to come back for the Jubilee or the ground work to move back to the UK because they are broke.

Spokesperson said that he's being threatened by neo-Nazis. Harry dressed up as a Nazi for a costume party!

R55 OMG that literally made me spit out my water LOL! Thank you for that!

[R52], he was fucking raised in England! & he didn't know this? WTF is wrong with him and these sick, puerile grabs for attention. Fuck him and his humanitarian two brain cells. The little fucker has been brainwashed by the cunt he married.

I'm not usually one to jump on the whole Harry and Meghan are the devil BS, but this is so petulant on Harry's part. I'm sure if he is coming to the UK for a royal event like he did for Philip's funeral and Diana's statue unveiling, security is automatically provided anyways. And he would likely be staying at Frogmore which being part of Windsor Great Park already has security. I think these two have a complex that they are a lot more important than they actually are.

He seems obsessed with highlighting that he and his family are under threat in the UK, citing the last time he was there and was chased (by paparazzi, I assume). I'm sure private security could protect them just as well, but he wants it out in the public that they're targets and need extra special protection and that he'll pay for it. The grievance airing is never-ending.

R59 When the fuck was he chased by paparazzi? Or was he talking about the time when he was leaving Frogmore Cottage during his visit last summer and literally two photographers snapped his picture as he drove past in a car?

Harry has become the King of Karens apparently.

R60, I guess that's what referred to. Going from him being followed by photographers to the same possibly happening with the kids and wife in the car, all ending in a crash in a Paris tunnel. He needs a good therapist, unless claiming to be in danger is just a PR ploy.

What is he up to? He knows this is a request the government cannot fulfill. What a petulant child. "Wills gets full time RPOs, why don't I?

R7

Think again,Megs...

Him and his wife are grifters.

So he needs police protection because paparazzi may take photos of him?

Didn't one of his old girlfriends say that he was obsessed about the paparazzi? That he was convinced they were there when they were not? And when she told him he was wrong and they were not there, he kept on?

Sounds like the same thing here.

He either believes the paparazzi taking photos is an actual danger to his life (in which case he's mental), or he knows it isn't and is cynically using his own mother's death to get free security from the country he freely left (in which case he's a shitty grifter). He can't have what he wants either way, because no one gets to pay the Met police for protection, that's not how it works, and this red-headed doucheman is fully aware of that fact.

Just a reminder that neither Her Majesty nor the grey suits at the Palace decide who gets protection in the BRF. That's entirely the decision of The Home Office, ie, the government.

It's no wonder the queen looks so frail, between Harry and Andrew's shenanigans...

The brf should extend this privately as a courtesy. There should not have been any need for Harry to ask. What's the brf sunk to these days.

R71 Royal security falls under the government (the Home Office specifically). They decide who has access to taxpayer funded police security. British taxpayers would be pissed if it turned out they were paying for Harry to hobnob privately in the UK.

Guess they ain't coming to the Jubilee.

R71 As R72 says, the BRF don't have a say in how state protection are allocated. Harry can hire private security but they cannot be armed as that's against UK law. Harry wants to basically "Rent a cop" but that is also not legal in the UK.

Why does he need people with access to guns and MI5/6 briefings if he's mostly worried about paparazzi?

There were reports a few weeks ago that the BRF was very upset that they were loosing long term bodyguards due to a change in how they were allocated and that they'd protested to no avail. If they have to accept what the government says then I don't see why Harry can't as well.

I'd say there is just as much chance of Beatrice and Eugenie being harassed on the street due to their father than there is Harry and they don't have protection.

More of the usual Ginger Megs blaming others for their actions/behavior in that "It's YOUR fault that we etc." kinda way.

r72, etc., see r69.

[quote] Nobody fucking cares about him, that wife, or their Cabbage Patch fuckiing spawn.

From your lips to God’s ears.

[quote] The grievance airing is never-ending.

Ironyproof.

Klan Granny thread, please f & f. Muriel has already nuked six KG threads in the past 48 hours. These ghastly incontinent fraus cannot keep their bitching confined to one thread.

[QUOTE] Not even their stans believe this BS.

[QUOTE] Him and his wife are a pair of grifters

Semi literate contributions like this don't belong on Datalounge. Fuck off back to TikTok with your childish language.

[quote]That's entirely the decision of The Home Office, ie, the government.

Her Majesty's Government.

R81 needs to look up the definition of "constitutional monarchy".

Um, you can hire OFF DUTY officers.

Done all the time.

[quote]Like anybody gives a fuck about that bald ginger and his old hag

At any given moment, you losers have 15 threads going about these two that you claim you don't care about, cussing them out and screeching about every single thing they do.

And that's just on here, we know you're posting elsewhere as well as obsessing on Twitter. Don't waste our time with your "no one cares" shit.

[quote]Just a reminder that neither Her Majesty nor the grey suits at the Palace decide who gets protection in the BRF. That's entirely the decision of The Home Office, ie, the government.

That's not true. The Queen is the one who stripped Beatrice and Eugenie of police protection, and she's the one who decided about Harry as well.

It's weird how you guys just keep telling each other the same lies over and over again. You know they're lies, so what's the point?

R83, not in the UK.

You and your family are a fucking joke, Hazbeen. No one, with the exception of the sussex psychos, is looking for you.

PS. Cabbage patch fucking spawn is funny as hell.

R85, the Queen could indeed reinstate police protection. That is not the issue here. If she reinstates it the tax payer will be footing the bill which is likely to cause uproar. Harry wants to hire the police himself to protect him which is against British law. It would set a precedent for anyone to privately hire the police and therefore have access to intelligence etc. I would have thought under public order issues he would get police protection anyway in the same way anyone who is in danger can expect protection from the police. I don’t agree with anyone privately hiring the police but honestly think that with a bit of careful planning he would be very well protected without needing to do so.

[quote] [R40] please stop with the nonsense that Granny is being kept from Harry. QEII does what she wants, as evidenced by how fucking long it took her to do the barest minimum to reign in Andrew.

Posters like this one assume tat the royals are perfectly able to do whatever they want at any time. The Queen is the queen, but she's not all-powerful. She's constrained by tradition and layers of bureaucrats that themselves compete with one another. Charles is calling the shots, as this article about the Andrew situation describes.

Another poster said it best-- it's impossible to know whether this is a reasonable request that's been denied because we don't know the specifics of the request and we won't hear the other side. What IS clear is that airing this spat in the public is tacky.

Is he claiming that death threats have been made?

He wants the Queen to reinstate police protection which he himself will then pay for, so the taxpayer is not left with the financial burden of it.

[quote]Prince Harry wants to personally fund police protection, "not to impose on the taxpayer", they said.

[quote]His legal representative said he offered to pay the costs of police protection in January 2020 at Sandringham, when talks with the Queen were being held over the Sussexes' future role. But the offer was dismissed, the representative said.

[quote]The application for a judicial review - a challenge in the High Court against the decision of a public body or government department - follows a security incident in London in July 2021 when the duke's car was chased by photographers as he left a charity event.

He was on a busy road in London, where traffic moves at a snail pace. The idea he was being “chased” by paparazzi is ludicrous.

The end of the Guardian article has more details, including the fact that the public wants Andrew to pay for his own security now, considering the situation. I know the Queen won't give Harry (or Beatrice or Eugenie or anyone else who has lost their police protection) their protection back, but the Home Office can give it, and Harry at least says he'll pay for it himself.

Andrew pays for Beatrice's and Eugenie's protection now, right? I can't find if it's police protection or not.

Two ugly mugs at R92.

Ugly inside too.

You guys are going to have to do better than "everything he says is a lie because I hate him." I know that works when you're talking amongst yourselves, but if the Guardian and the BBC are reporting that his personal security was "compromised" then you saying "nuh uh no it wasn't" isn't particularly compelling.

Everything they say is a lie because it has been proven more times than not. There are court documents proving they have no issue telling lies to further their interests. M even had to apologize to the court for lying. You are fucking naive or just willfully stupid if you are trying to paint these bums as angels.

The Guardian and the BBC are reporting that Harry's legal rep/PR *says* his security was compromised (apparently by paparazzi trying to take photos after an event in London back in the summer?). It's really up to people to decide for themselves if that's a legitimate security issue or not. People who are much wealthier and much bigger targets than Harry spend time in London without Met security all. the. time. Harry can cover his own private security or he can stay in California, that's his choice. What he cannot do is pay the Met police to protect him in the UK (and Harry himself will be well aware of this).

So Harry is basically suing the UK because he doesn't like the law about the police not being available for private hire?

What an idiot.

[quote]I'm not usually one to jump on the whole Harry and Meghan are the devil BS, but this is so petulant on Harry's part. I'm sure if he is coming to the UK for a royal event like he did for Philip's funeral and Diana's statue unveiling, security is automatically provided anyways. And he would likely be staying at Frogmore which being part of Windsor Great Park already has security. I think these two have a complex that they are a lot more important than they actually are.

Security is not automatically provided änyways. Windsor is a very, very, very large estate. There is no way on earth it can be patrolled completely.

A stalker was arrested at his house. They get hate mail and threats. Windsor Castle just had an armed intruder. They had 160 stalkers on the lead up to their wedding. The royal family all have hundreds of stalkers. That's why they need armed security, when none of the other police are armed.

Let the Queen, Charles, William and his family go without armed security. If it's safe for Harry, it should be safe for them too.

The wife will not go anywhere without a boatload of security. People need to see that they are just as important than the Cambridges.

Are you seriously comparing the Queen, Charles, and William to Harry? Sorry if it upsets your delusion, but Harry is not as important. Nor is his z-list wife or cute cabbage patch kids.

[quote]People who are much wealthier and much bigger targets than Harry spend time in London without Met security all.

No they don't. Madonna had an entire security team. So do the Beckhams.

[quote]Are you seriously comparing the Queen, Charles, and William to Harry? Sorry if it upsets your delusion, but Harry is not as important. Nor is his z-list wife or cute cabbage patch kids.

No, I'm not saying they're more important. Why do the Queen, Charles and William need armed security?

If it's so safe in England, they shouldn't need armed security either.

Madonna and the Beckhams have police protection?

They have entire security teams. And if there was any way they could get armed security, when they are in England they'd do it in a heartbeat.

SS are screeching to the heavens that if the couple are denied the requested security, it will 100% GUARANTEE the death of the sussex family. Bola de pendejas.

Answer my question R107

[quote]Why do the Queen, Charles and William need armed security? If it's so safe in England, they shouldn't need armed security either.

[quote]you are trying to paint these bums as angels

No one has ever said they were angels. No one. You guys are so desperate to find stans of these two that you pretend people on here LOVE and WORSHIP this couple. No one loves them! This business of equating "just let Harry pay for security" with "he is an ANGEL who HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG!!!!1!" is just another, more stupid form of strawmanning.

R105, you know that how? There are scores of immensely wealthy and powerful people living in London full or part time. Do they all get official protection, either free or on a rent a cop basis? I don’t think so. As said before, this was just another whining PR announcement to lay the ground for their non-return and to stoke negative publicity for the BRF.

HMQ is the head of state. Charles is the next head of state, and William after him. British PMs have security. There was an attempt on HMQ’s life last month.

Harry is not a working royal. His cousins, also non working royals, don’t have security. By your standard, r108, no person in the UK should have security. Harry is free to employ his own security. What he us not entitled to is security paid for by the British taxpayer, which includes their tactics and intelligence.

[quote]The Guardian and the BBC are reporting that Harry's legal rep/PR *says* his security was compromised (apparently by paparazzi trying to take photos after an event in London back in the summer?). It's really up to people to decide for themselves if that's a legitimate security issue or not.

So why misrepresent what happened, like you did, if people need to hear the facts and decide for themselves?

After the visit Harry had with kids at Kew Gardens last year, there was a security lapse with his team and the paparazzi chased after his car.

You or one of your little friends on here said that was a lie. Is it? Because I'm finding photos of him in his car that day, while leaving Kew Gardens, taken by paparazzi.

Kinda feels like you're moving the goalposts at this point, trying to pretend like no one said it was a lie.

He doesn't want security paid for by the taxpayers, r111.

Either stop lying or stop wasting our time.

Don't waste your breath, r111. This troll has proven they have no reading comprehension skills.

Yes, he is. The reason he wants Met officers is because they have access to more information-security and intelligence information paid for by the UK taxpayer.

"Uh oh, I've been caught in too many lies, time to call everyone posting links to verified sources a troll who can't read!"

Typed as you did, r114.

He wants to pay for it himself, r115. This has already been established.

[quote] You and your family are a fucking joke, Hazbeen. No one, with the exception of the sussex psychos, is looking for you. PS. Cabbage patch fucking spawn is funny as hell.

Is it any wonder they want full security with psychos like this out there?

You don’t get it. He would not be paying for access to security information. He wants to pay for Met officers, but not for all the specialized information they have. He’s not entitled to that, by law. The judicial review will not be in his favour. Moreover, I believe it’s an excuse because I suspect their attendance at jubilee events would be restricted. No photo ops with HMQ, ergo, no benefit to HaM and no desire to go.

You are seriously unhinged, r117. Nothing you have posted has proven anyone wrong. But by all means, keep repeating yourself and not actually listening to what people have already explained to you several times. Bye bye, sussex troll.

Alert! Alert! Anyone who has ever been insulted on a DL thread, get police security NOW!!! Or you will surely die!!!

[quote]He wants to pay for Met officers, but not for all the specialized information they have. He’s not entitled to that, by law.

He very clearly has said that he wants to pay for the Met officers BECAUSE they have specialized information that his private security does not have access to.

He's not entitled to it, but he's asking to pay for it temporarily, due to the circumstances.

Official protection is not available to private citizens on a rental basis. Do they do this for the other grandchildren of the Queen or her great grandchildren and all the less popular members?

[quote]You are seriously unhinged

Your first post in this thread is you speaking directly to Meghan and Harry, as if they were reading this thread and your posts in particular. You have continuously claimed that individual DLers you don't like are actually members of Meghan's PR team.

You shouldn't be calling others unhinged. You need help from a mental health professional. That's not an ad hominem attack, that's real, legitimate advice from me to you. Seek professional help.

R39 And you're the primary reason people think Sussex stans are delusional: anyone who doesn't like the two grifters is a threat to them.

Harry is insisting that he "inherited these risks at birth" and he is ipso facto entitled to this security kng with his family for the rest of his life.

He left. He luces in California. MPs get real threats like this on a daily basis and two of them were murdered in public. Yet, MPs and their families don't get the sort of total individual police protection Harrycis demanding as a right of birth.

His mother was killed by a drunk driver in Paris. His father, brother, and brother's children are the prime terrorist targets in the country. His great-uncle was killed by by the IRA. Not neo-Nazis and right wing extremists.

Harry is still being eaten up inside by his raging envy of his brother, and suing the British government is just another grandstanding attempt to feel as important as William, even though Harry abandoned his country, his job, and then spent the next two years trashing the country, institution, and family without which he'd be nobody. And in case you forgot, he and his wife were uncovered to have lied to a British court and to the British public.

And, yet, Harry still thinks he and his family merit the same treatment as his brother.

Harry can stay home in California, or pay for licences for armed guards. But insisting that the British taxpayer supported police force OWE him is anothercpije in the eye with a sharp stick. He's out to make trouble again.

It's Harry who won't stop till his brother is dead.

Fuck, what number lawsuit is this?! Christ, Schillings must have a private shrine up to them in a conference room.

The cost of police protection is astronomical. Harry had no intention of paying that every time he visits Old Blighty.

Once they allow as how Harry Windsor despite leaving and trashing the country and no longer working for the monarchy should habe it if he "pays" for it, the next step is obvious.

Harry doesn't want to come back to the UK on any terms but those of a royal prince as important as his brother.

These two people's lives are one long song of anger, petulance, victimhood, revenge, and lawsuits.

When the fuck will they stop screaming about what they're entitled to that the miserable world and miserable Britain and the miserable BRF haven't given them?

And lastly, it's one of Harry's and Meghan's fans who are the subject of a police action for threatening to stab journalist Camila Tominey and her three children to death fie criticising Meghan.

The lunatic Sussex Sqaud and their death threats and prayers for the death of the entire Cambridge family to die so Meghan can be Kween who are more worrisome. If they could do it and get away with it, they would.

This is still Harry wanting to have his cake and eat it, too.

He wanted "freedom"?

He got it.

So he’s going to pay the millions of dollars expended for intelligence information, which can then be passed on yo whomever?

Yeah, right.

You sound as stupid as your idol Harry.

The Klan Grannies keep insisting it isn’t possible, but I really wouldn’t be difficult for the Met police to tally up a bill and send it to the Sussexes based on how many officers were part of the detail and for how many hours. The work behind determining security risks and information is likely something the royal family would do regardless, even if you think they don’t care about Harry anymore—threats against him could affect his wider family still.

[quote]Do they do this for the other grandchildren of the Queen or her great grandchildren and all the less popular members?

Apparently Beatrice and Eugenie get the same protection but pay for it themselves. "The duke’s daughters, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, received official protection until 2011 but now must foot the bill themselves."

The security detail were former police officers in 2012, I'll post that link next.

Here's an old article about Beatrice and Eugenie paying for their own police security.

I'm not seeing a difference between this and what Harry is requesting, except that Beatrice and Eugenie do occasionally make royal appearances, I believe. Maybe that's the difference.

R128 sucks Klan Granny dick

[quote]So he’s going to pay the millions of dollars expended for intelligence information, which can then be passed on yo whomever?

Why on earth would the security team tell Harry anything? If they told him something, what would they tell him beyond "some crazy guy with a crossbow was tweeting photos of your SUV's license plate yesterday"?

R130, your own link states Eugenie and Bea’s protection are FORMER Scotland Yard bodyguards, now retired. So, not comparable.

If he is in such danger, why put yourself out and about with the likes of James Corden on top of a double decker bus, plus make no secret of the location of Chez Montecito. Harry is like a kid who takes a bite out of evry sandwich at a picnic, because he is yet ro work out exactly what his place in the world is.

Then why does he need it? He’s chased by men with cameras. It’s hardly a threat.

I already said they were former police officers, r133. I said it in r129.

R128 You haven't a clue what those costs are. They're huge. And believe it or not, the already heavily pressured police force have better things to do these days than make Harry and Meghan feel important.

I notice you Sussex trolls have never uttered a word about the Tominey case. You know, one if your club who threatened to stab her and her three kids to death?

MPs and journalists live with this shit day on and day out.

Harry chose to become a private citizen.

He just doesn't like being treated like one.

This is about optics

And the think about us Klan Grannies is, we are Meghan for what she is: a woman who was never interested in being black if she could help it. Hence the white friends, white husbands, white sorority, straight hair obsession, white kids.

Its Meghan who's walking around in the white sheets, honey.

[quote] why put yourself out and about with the likes of James Corden on top of a double decker bus, plus make no secret of the location of Chez Montecito.

Probably because in the US his security detail is armed, which they can’t be in the UK, as has been stated numerous times.

It’s laughable to think Beatrice and Eugenie face the same level of threat.

That's just what I was about to say, r133. The operative word there is FORMER police guards, r130. That entire article is all about how Beatrice and Eugenie lost or were about to lose their publicly-funded police protection and Andrew was going to have to pay ex, former, retired, no longer police officers to provide them with security.

Harry wants CURRENT serving police officers to protect him on his rare flying visits back to the UK. He could easily simply hire a private security company that is staffed with former police guards. He really still thinks that he's an important representative of the state and so the state should serve him.

They may catch a bad angle of Megdusa, r135. Very big threat to Harry.

His mother died being “chased by men with cameras”. You think you are saying something diminishing his concern, when in fact you are proving his point.

Are you pea for brains serious? Every major public figure does need security. They are at great risk.

R137 is the White-Adjacent Troll, another great example of the twisted freaks who obsessively hate Harry and his family.

I was wrong about Beatrice and Eugenie having a few royal engagements, apparently they don't have any at all.

[quote] He could easily simply hire a private security company that is staffed with former police guards.

But they wouldn’t be armed. They wouldn’t even be permitted to carry mace under UK law. Thus his issue. The objection that the bill would be huge doesn’t matter because he’s said he will pay it himself.

He's becoming a drama queen.

R142

It’s as if they want him dead. Psychopaths.

Behold, per sussex psycho fans, anyone not licking Harkle taint wishes them dead. Dead!!

R147, why are you replying to yourself? You wrote the R142 post.

A brief interlude:

[quote] His great-uncle was killed by by the IRA

R126 Dickie Mountbatten (blown to bits by the IRA) was the late Prince Phiip's uncle (his mother's brother). Making him Charles's GREAT uncle and Ginger's GREAT GREAT Uncle.

Carry on, gentlemen.

he needs them cause of wack-a-doodles like you all!

So... he needs ARMED security with secret intelligence to protect him from PAPARAZZI? Why? Are his bodyguards going to shoot at the journalists? Has he been watching CSI:Miami way too much?

Lmao!

If his driver isn’t drunk and Harry wears a seatbelt, those men with cameras are no threat, r141.

What does his having served two tours of duty in Afghanistan as referenced in his spokesperson’s statement, have to do with this?

Don't you know? They have to pull at the military heartstrings. Lol

Because he could be a target due to that military service.

R154 I’m sure that will be a comfort to know for Harry.

R142 Yes, including MPs (who are far more important than Harry), but they aren't getting what Harry is demanding, are they?

He has his own security. He wants armed protection by the English police force, a public taxpayer subsidised entity.

His offer to pay is ludicrous. They never paid Canada back, did they? And when the Canadian government made it clear the public wouldn't tolerate it further, they up and left without so much as a Thanks!

Visiting dignitaries are there as guests of the UK government and its business in the national interest. So are visiting royalty there at the behest of their and our government.

He is a private citizen with a royal title. He has his own security you can see them in huge gas guzzling cars following them around when they go out

Those bills run in the seven figure for nust a few days. Why do you think his farcical wedding of one day cost so much? Charles paid for the wedding in the low seven figures. The other twenty million or so was the cost of security.

This is angry, adolescent Harry stamping his foot and demanding whatever William has

They spend their lives suing or threatening to sue. It's probably become an addiction.

Harry is neirher

R137 Tell us again what your comments are about the Tominey case and the fervently expressed vicious hatred and death wishes toward the Cambridges by you Meghan supporters?

Because none of us ever hear a word out of you straitjacket types on that score.

She's a conniving narcissist, he's mentally ill and was showing it in his childhood, and she hates being black.

Read 'em and weep, sweetie.

R157 Oh, please.

All these right-wing racists do is gaslight.

[quote]Because he could be a target due to that military service.

Ginger's "military service" is a product of MOD and Palace PR.

R146 He was born one. He's his mother all over, but in all the worst ways.

Hell hath no fury like a younger son watching his Big Bro become Mum's darling, and then grow up to be taller, richer, and King.

According to you he was mentally ill as a child and still is and you choose to mock him? Doesn’t that seem to support the idea he shouldn’t be a working Royal?

[quote]Unlike the US, you cannot hire law enforcement as “private security” in the UK. Otherwise with all of the monied people in London, there won’t be any police left for regular people.

So, the US does not have enough "monied people" to use up all of our available supply of police? I guess we Americans are just lucky "regular people."

I would think he would rather have private security while in the UK. I'm sure there are plenty Israeli security concerns in London and it's well known the Israeli security people are the best on the planet. They're all former military. If I was in his shoes I wouldn't trust British police to protect me. Since there seems to be so much animosity against him and Meghan in the UK because of his decision to leave 'the firm' how would he know he had people who weren't against him?

[quote] Ginger's "military service" is a product of MOD and Palace PR.

You're clearly a blithering idiot.

This guy is emotionally stunted and messy as fuck.

If only he were gay, he could be on DL.

There's more where that came from, [R87]. ;~}

[quote] You're clearly a blithering idiot.

R168 truly believes spewing childish pejoratives constitutes adult discussion.

Name calling is adult conversation?

[quote]truly believes spewing childish pejoratives constitutes adult discussion

Your first post in this thread is calling someone names, and one of your little friends is so off her rocker that she just started frothing about licking Harry's taint.

Your indignation is duly noted, yet purely hypocritical.

R168, in most places, the rich, famous and powerful hire their own private security. They do not have assigned police or government security. Look in the mirror for the possible idiot here.

R169 Nailed it.

This stunt basically reveals Harry's awareness that without the trappings of royalty, he's nothing.

And since that is rooted in the circumstance of his birth, he just can't move on or past it.

Charles once said that Andrew's problem is "he wants to be me".

Fast forward: Andrew and Harry have ended up in the same place for the same underlying reason: angry, disgraced, exiled from the only life that gave the the status they craved.

Status is everything to males. And Andrew was his mother's darling.

It's a good thing William and Kate had three, and providence that the middle one was a girl. That should blunt the Spare shit for the younger son on the next round.

"Give me a job, give me SECUR-ity" -- Styx

I fucking knew this would happen! Saturday is a slow DL day so Muriel took the moderating shift to give some cocksucker time off to get his weekly clap test. This thread has inflamed the already... slight connection wiv reality she retains and now... wait for it... she's locked herself in her safe room. The problem is she needs the password to get out and she can't remember it and she didn't write it down because she was in that Xanax and Johnnie Walker Red Label blackout just before Christmas, when Travolta didn't return her call.

It wasn't pretty then, and it's not going to be pretty this morning. The cams show her clutching some envelope with some weird crest or something on it. She keeps mumbling about how she won't go to the jube -something without securiddy.

It's gonna be another chisel fest. Do you know where we can get some hypodermic syringes and Thorazine stat? I coulda been branding cows in Idaho, but NO! The bright lights of the big city beckoned.

Why this thing become public now? Trouble in paradise ( or bank accounts ? ).

Are they thinking to return back to the UK?

Maybe the Queen’s recent visitor triggered Harry’s PTSD.

They’re probably trying to get this deal in place before the Jubilee (or, more pessimistically, while the Queen is still alive / ahead of her death).

There is some serious and disturbing mental illness on display in this thread.

What has M got to do with Andrews case? '

[quote]Your first post in this thread is calling someone names

R174 My "first post" is R75 . Obviously, you're far too busy having a childish rant to know about use of DL features.

No, what Harry wants is what he is used to, as seen in this video of arriving and leave a previous engagement. He wants police escorts, stopping traffic, flanking the procession, parting the seas. With private security he is just one of the plebs on the road, with a car or two along for the ride. A paparazzi would never have had the access or opportunity to get a picture of a British prince on British soil if he was stuck in traffic like the rest of us, without the police to shoo away anyone with the audacity to get close.

r96 and r109, I write this without a shred of sarcasm : Nice try.

Nothing short of The Sussexes were spotted on the grassy knoll! And the Wuhan lab!" suffices for their way, way over-invested haters.

What r182 said, too.

Fun, bemused, disinterested pointless bitchery and gossip grounded in some credibility (the best kind) isn't possible on these threads because of Sussex Haters.

One tell of their unhinged nature is the insistence that the Sussexes would face booing in London. No, YOU would boo them. You're projecting.

Massive indifference and apathy to their presence on the part of the London public is what the Sussexes actually fear and would be hurt by because it would be the death knell to their "influencer" (ugh) desires. Rational observers know that.

The Sussexes know that too. I don't discount security their security concerns. That's for others to determine. I'm just a spectator.

Speaking of spectating, assuming I outlive Q E II, for her funeral, a nuclear crow-bar wouldn't be able to pry me from my TV, and, of course, from the DL threads.

Topic "A" for me would be if Markle attends it, and I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't.

Also, I do truly empathize with him regarding the risk he inherited at birth, he didn’t ask for this, he didn’t ask to be Royal…and as a result he faces risks. But what about people born into a religious or racial minority in a country where they are persecuted through no fault of their own but due to the lottery of birth? Or woman who KNOW their lives are in danger from abusive partners, request help from the police/justice system and walk away with a piece of paper (restraining order) to protect themselves, did they ask for this? How many women are murdered when everyone knew they were in danger, should they get police protection?

How far do we go?? Or do we accept that life is inherently unfair?? Welcome to normal life Harry, it’s great isn’t it.

Those people have terrible, difficult, unfair lives on an individual level. The slice of this they don’t face is what’s delivered by his fame: risk of kidnapping them or their little kids, risk of someone mentally ill glomming on to the online frenzies about how Harry and Meghan are evil, risk of someone mentally ill who becomes a deranged stalker, risk of someone attempting to retaliate for his military service as a show of revenge for the war, and yes, risk of physical danger created by paparazzi frenzies.

That doesn’t make Harry and Meghan martyrs and Saints. It just means there is a slice of risk to them and their kids that is best prevented by armed guards. They know how costly that would be and they’re asking for it and willing to pay regardless. They’ll likely only be in the UK for short and temporary periods of time, some amount of which will be spent with people who are already under Met protection It seems quite reasonable for them to get this.

Don’t forget, it also puts the UK in a terrible position if someone manages to kidnap one of Harry’s family. I know the Klan Grannies think the royal family and the general public would just laugh and not care, but it would put a lot of pressure on the UK government to give terrorists or the like what they want. This is why family members of government figures have state protection in the first place.

Fun fact: Eugenie and Beatrice's protection was scrapped in 2011 while they were 5th & 6th in line to the throne.

So what, r145? Why should a private citizen such as Harry demand more security than every other private citizen in the UK gets?

R189, Harry isn't a government figure.

If someone kidnapped obnoxious Harry and Meghan at this point, quite a few people would in fact be grateful to the kidnappers for willing to undergo this task ...

Exactly r185. He still thinks he's some super-important, major figure and entire streets and neighbourhoods have to lock down when his motorcade drives by.

Harry's position in line to the throne isn't relevant here. Beatrice and Eugenie apparently had their protection taken away because they weren't doing any work for the crown, same with Harry.

The issue here is that Harry is due to be at a large-scale event where others are already going to be under Met protection, and he wants it as well due to the extraordinary press he and his family have been getting from tabloids and very angry people who are unhealthily emotionally invested in hating them, and who are literally blaming him for the Queen's declining health and for her husband's demise.

There are people on this thread literally saying they want Harry et al. kidnapped or dead. Someone just said it as I was typing this.

That's why he wants to pay himself for the kind of extra security others at these events will already be getting anyway. It's not a crazy request. What's crazy is that things have descended to this point in the first place.

"Fun, bemused, disinterested pointless bitchery and gossip grounded in some credibility (the best kind) isn't possible on these threads because of Sussex Haters." - More of the same bullshit from r186. Harry is a private citizen, by his own choice. He is demanding things that no other private citizen in the UK has. We're fed up of him and his demands for special treatment in the UK. That's not "hate", it just means that he is no longer someone of national significance.

Are you saying that everyone in the UK who gets death threats should have a police security detail, r195? Because that would be an awful lot of people.

"The issue here is that Harry is due to be at a large-scale event" - The entire event is going to be under heavy police and military security. Harry doesn't need any special individual security to be present at that event. And we also don't give a shit that the snivelling little twerp who basically told the entire UK to fuck off wants to fly in for two days again to make sure he gets seen and has his photo taken at this special event, and then fly off again.

I get that he feels he needs armed security but he can’t have it both ways. He left there knowing that security wasn’t part of the deal. They both seem truly exhausting, it’s always something with them. What is the gun prevalence in the UK? Can’t be too high if private security can’t carry. I don’t know the current feelings of UK on them, but in the US nobody seems to care. This is not the 80s/90s celebrity culture anymore.

I’m venturing to guess with their house on the market and not getting attention they craved, they might want to head back to the UK. All their projects seemed to fizzle out. They overestimated the public’s interest in them. Again, celebrity culture is not what it used to be, especially for those that seemingly don’t do very much.

Agreed, r196. I stopped reading as soon as I saw the "Sussex Hater" bs.

Sussex fans, please stop embarrassing yourselves and boring the rest of us. No one wants to kill or kidnap the Sussexes. You seem to be following in your idols footsteps in fantasizing about their importance.

For sure

The Daily Mail leaked this information about Harry requesting a review of the decision. You can't blame this on Harry and Meghan leaking it for attention, because it came directly from the Mail and the Mail does not work with Harry and Meghan. The Mail published the story with a headline claiming Harry was going to "sue Britain." He released a statement in response.

^^Yes, they like to do their grifting in private.

[quote] You seem to be following in your idols footsteps in fantasizing about their importance.

Oh, the obtuseness here. You've proven my point - there is no reasoning with, yes, Sussex Haters, when the reality is, your hate is far out of proportion to what they amount to, which isn't much- the entire point of my post at r186.

And I'm laughing at myself here too, for then, why write what I'm writing?

It reminds me of, if I were Toddy in the film "Victor/Victoria", when the waiter tells him, correctly, "And it is a moron who gives advice to a horse's ass."

This was stupid of the Mail because it will annoy the other royal family members under protection as well as the Met. Putting security disputes on the front page creates risk that someone will try to take advantage and gives bad people info they shouldn’t know. Seems like a sign of continuing bad blood within the family that it was willing to threaten the tabloids not to mention the claims of William having his affairs, but doesn’t lift a finger over this.

It's called the daily fail for a reason. They are a horrid publication but they do manage to have the best celeb photos. Has anyone noticed?

R204 trying to bring up the affair nonsense ... nice try, moron.

The assumption is that the BRF leaked the story to deflect attention away from the Prince Andrew scandal. Wouldn’t be surprised, I don’t like Harry and Meghan, but the BRF isn’t exactly above these shenanigans either.

That would be kind of a ham-handed strategy, but maybe it shows Charles really is more in charge these days behind the scenes.

He's fuckin HAWT!

Harry isn't likely to win this one. What will he do then?

He’ll add another couple chapters to his book. Which I’m very much looking forward to reading.

Eww.

The Klan Grannies are going to have to come to terms with their hurt feelings that Harry did not want to be a working Royal and that he will never be just another citizen. Harry will never be just another grandchild of the Queen. Harry can distance himself from the BRF but he can never not be a part of it. Dislike of his bride won’t change that. Dislike of his behavior won’t change that.

What did you expect, [R182]? Rutgers Annual Psychiatric Group Hug and Bake Off? Jesus Christ! If you don't want to play GTFO! But tossing your sippy cup out of the pram isn't going to impress anybody.

I still think SS leaked it because they can attend the Jubilee like anyone else, but no balcony, no photo ops with the big guns. This would be another proof they aren't royal anymore which is their only cachet. The more times this is brought home to $$$people the less ops to make $$$ will be on offer.

How much can Meghan make for squatting on the street as Ellen orders her to while laughing at her.

Did Meg have security protection while on Suits or Deal or No Deal? She was a very important famous person in her own right, after all.

[quote] he will never be just another citizen. Harry will never be just another grandchild of the Queen.

R213 aka idiot desperately trying to make "Klan Granny" happen, for your info:

He already is.

Come off it, [R188]! You think Meghan wasn't aware of the risk of marrying into the royal family? Or do you believe her claim that she didn't know who Harry was? She CHOSE this. You're an enabler to her narcissism.

You are criticizing Meg's Ellen appearance? Literal violence!!!!! This is why they need security!!!!

You want him to be to punish him for being a disappointment but you know he isn’t, which is why he continues to upset you and your ilk.

The Klan Grannies love to blame Harry and Meghan for somehow causing a bunch of elderly bigots to go online and spend hours frothing at the mouth and writing crazily hateful things, because then they don’t have to look in the mirror and take ownership of their own behavior (or their sad little lives).

Klan Granny Uppity Negress Obsessive-Compulsive Rant # 42,382,192

[quote]Is he claiming death threats have been made?

The only past and recent threats have been made by Nutmeg R90:

“Harry if you don’t do what I say, I will kill you”

R230, lol, ok, Harry.

Now go enjoy the board and a couple of hot dicks, you pussywhipped weirdo.

I wonder what will happen if I block any post with "klan granny" in it ... I guess ALL the posts with that klan granny nonsense will "magically" disappear, eh?

Ok, now, that was funny, lol, r223

Much like the suckit squad.

They’re so boring that the Klan Grannies spend all day, every day, posting fantasies full of hate about them, I guess.

R225 Are you disappointed in your results.? Sucks to be terribly wrong, doesn’t it?

It much more sucks to be a Sucksex Squad loon, R229.

"I've seen better legs hanging from the side of a nest." - said about MM

More adult conversation?

Speaking of spending “hours on line and frothing at the mouth and writing crazily hateful things”, you’ve posted 22 times on this thread R221.

Time for you to look in the mirror and reflect on your sad lonely life.

SS interns spotted.

The good news is that Harry's request will be denied, thus giving him and the missus an "out" for not attending this year's events.

It will be nice to enjoy the festivities without them or Andy. I want to get back to enjoying the spectacle and discussing outfits and the like. Fingers crossed yhat we have a tiara event in 2022.

I wonder…do monarchs get the subjects they deserve or do subjects get the monarchs they deserve? Britain is certainly a match.

Come now, no one deserves a King Charles.

[quote]Didn't one of his old girlfriends say that he was obsessed about the paparazzi? That he was convinced they were there when they were not? And when she told him he was wrong and they were not there, he kept on?

[quote]Sounds like the same thing here.

How fortunate that he wound up marrying a grifting enabler who uses his paranoia to her advantage. Sounds like he needs some Xanax and a divorce.

This whole thing reeks of a PR stunt. Dim and D-List have probably been told that if they attend the Jubilee it will be in a reduced role, which of course they can't stomach, so they're laying the groundwork for a plausible reason for them to avoid the celebration altogether.

These are the photos of Harry's life threatening scary chase after his visit to Kew Gardens for a charity event in June. Not another car in sight?

I think r239 is right. They are trying to come up with an excuse to back out.

Bloody hell people, you're all going to give yourselves heart attacks if you keep this up. The level of irrationality on both sides of the argument when it comes to the Sussexes is ridiculous.

So lets lay out the facts here:

1) Harry wants access to MET Police Protection when in the UK which he is willing to pay for. The issue is, the Police in the UK cannot be leased out to private citizens. Now, former Prime Ministers (and even some minor royals) can have access to retired police protection but this is a private service which they pay out of pocket, and who cannot be armed while in the UK. Harry is allowed to do this, but apparently he wants active Police officers who can stop traffic, get access to intelligence, be armed etc. Regardless of your opinion on the matter, this will not happen. There is nothing stopping Harry from hiring his own security when in the UK, but just not active state agents.

2) Who gets state funded police protection is decided by the Home Office not the royal family. At present the Prime Minister, Queen, Charles, Camilla, William and Kate get full police protection. Other royals and Cabinet ministers get police protection on an "as needed" basis. I'm sure the Queen probably has some say in the allocation of the forces assigned to the royals, but she is very well-known for hating excessive security, she knows the whole point of being royal is to be seen.

3) Royal security is a controversial issue in the UK. The reason being, it's paid for by the taxpayers and there is always a backlash whenever the royals are believed to be wasting money. The backlash in the UK at Harry getting state funded protection when visiting (even if he is paying for it) would be overwhelmingly negative. I mean just the response in the UK media today is decidedly against him. He's being viewed as a prat here. Harry and Meghan are no longer popular here.

4) There is a fundamental cultural difference between the UK and US in terms of security. Americans are use to seeing their leaders surrounded by security when in public. That doesn't happen in the UK. Our public figures are remarkably accessible. I mean I can walk into my MP's office and have a responsible expectation of being allowed to talk to her face to face. Despite MPs having been murdered in recent years, that has not changed. Even the Queen, who is the most famous person on Earth, had remarkably little security. Yes, there is risk for any public figure but Brits are generally very pragmatic about that sort of thing.

Those are the facts. I'm sure people will try to spin them but I'm sure people will try to spin them to suit their argument.

This all due to the fact that when Harry was last in the UK, he hire a private company to drive him to the airport in a Volkswagen. He needs bodyguards to feel important...tiny penis syndrome if I've ever seen it.

I don't think the BRF leaked this, I think the Mail (which lost it's court case against Meghan) is getting payback. It's going to leak every story they can get their hands on now.

Flashback: It was H&M THEMSELVES who voluntarily gave up their “internationally protected people” status back in 2020.

How will he pay for this "security"? How will the payment amount be decided?

I think he knows this can't be quantified to a dollar amount and wants the IPP status back.

Also he can't hire former RPO's and SAS types when he is there? People that probably have ways to obtain this information?

Perhaps Nutmeg can sell her blood money diamond earrings to help pay for security, R246

R245 This is why you can't take anything the Haz and Megz say seriously. It's all half-truths, exaggerations, or lies.

R242 Yup!!! VIPs in the UK are very much no fuss, no muss. Beatrice and Eugenie are often seen out and about in London with zero security. Catherine too is sometimes seen in stores or walking in Kensington with one (unarmed) protection officer.

R242 & R249 William is known to drive around London on a motorcycle with no security escort. Philip also used to drive himself around London in a taxi with no security. When they were living in Wales, both William and Catherine used to go grocery shopping with zero security. This is all about Harry's paranoia and his ego.

You can't leave out the ego and envy of the Mrs. Sussex in this latest of their dramas.

[quote] This all due to the fact that when Harry was last in the UK, he hire a private company to drive him to the airport in a Volkswagen. He needs bodyguards to feel important...tiny penis syndrome if I've ever seen it.

I don't remember that, but it would make sense.

This is pure speculation like everyone else, but my guess is they want to make a big splash in the UK like last time with events and photo ops. But they are only entitled now to royal protection when they doing something in their "official" royal capacity. Since they likely aren't being asked to do much in any official royal capacity, they won't have RPOs to go clean out the riff raff if Meghan wants her picture taken at Hub Kitchen, or if Harry wants to go give a speech somewhere about how he used to be a military hero, or if they want Archie and Lili to take pics with their "friends" at an underprivileged children's camp, or they want to attend some big fancy red carpet style event. And if they can't do all that (and without enough security they can't because even if they are paranoid they do have legit concerns), why bother with any trip? They sure as shit have no interest in a quiet family visit (BTW they are also covered by the umbrella of the Queen's security when they are with her), so it's certainly not worth the effort just for beloved Granny to see her namesake for the first and maybe the only time.

The thinking you project on these two is more “cartoonish soap opera villain” than reality. They have lots of bad traits but they’re complex, real people like anyone else.

Sure, Jan

It's not cartoonish soap opera villain to assume 2 people want to do the same things they always do.

R254 0 They are delusional and paranoid. Yes, they're certainly "complex" but they're not living in the "real" world like the rest of us.

Well, if this is the “real world,” there seem to be quite a few delusional and paranoid people right here.

You know what, I hope The Harkles continue with antics of unbelievable entitlement and irredeemable narcissism.

In a period of global difficulty, century-not-seen-pandemic, societal upheaval, and financial issues for many - not of the 1% class - this completely out-of-touch couple continue to display their inability to read the room and unparalleled arrogance.

All the while preaching and lecturing on “compassion”, “kindness” and other hypocritical lies.

They are inflaming more and more people globally. And the rumblings of having parliament strip them of titles and LOS is picking up steam.

They are starting to be on par with Andrew: although heinous, this couple keep upping the ante, and it will be interesting to see how much further they press everyone: alienating millions.

Keep going Harkles. The popcorn and wine are freely flowing.....

R258 - I'll speak for myself. I don't feel "entitled" to have the best in life or think I'm above everyone else. I certainly don't feel paranoid about my personal safety either. H & M seem to think that they're more important than they are. Harry grew up as a Royal so the asshole can't help himself (of course, that doesn't excuse his behavior). Meghan was spoiled by her father and always had grandiose ideas that she was always better than others.

Ok, R258 aka Sussex Squad stinkfish.

r260 illustrates beautifully the fact that Meghan obsessives are always really writing about themselves when they go full-on crazy rant rampages about her.

Ok, R262 aka Sussex Squad stinkfish.^^

R262 - I was replying to R258 on behalf of myself not others so your post is ridiculous.

R245 Yes, they gave it up a day after claiming it because everyone started laughing hysterically at them. The 6th in line and his parvenu, z-list, USA network cable actress wife? Internationally Protected Persons, my ass.

Diana died in the tunnel because of a drunk limo driver, speeding, and no seatbelt (as well as paparazzi).

Harry's paranoia is being inflamed to make him look like a nut job so you know who will get custody of the kids.

[quote]Harry is not a working royal. His cousins, also non working royals, don’t have security. By your standard, [R108], no person in the UK should have security. Harry is free to employ his own security. What he us not entitled to is security paid for by the British taxpayer, which includes their tactics and intelligence

He's not asking for anyone to pay for his security

[quote]HMQ is the head of state. Charles is the next head of state, and William after him. British PMs have security. There was an attempt on HMQ’s life last month. Harry is not a working royal. His cousins, also non working royals, don’t have security.

His cousins aren't getting death threats. And it's not about what ranking he is. It's about whether he deserves to be safe or not. And you don't think he deserves appropriate security. You actually think he and his family deserve to get hurt or killed? Because they're not working royals.

And you're reading the shittiest fucking tabloids that are worse than fox news. That's what kind of garbage person you are. Just PURE SHIT.

These tabloids work overtime to manufacture outrage with the low IQ crowd. And it works with idiots like you. You're what's wrong with this country.

I think in America, having a boat load of security is seen as a status symbol. The more bodyguards you have around you, the more important you are. The UK is not like that at all. The Queen used to ride out in Windsor Great Park with only one police man. I've also seen people like Olivia Coleman and Idris Elba out and about with no security. The Brits are far more pragmatic about stuff.

Throwback to when it was leaked that Harry and Meghan were going through security like dirty underwear. No one liked to work from them.

^^She looks particularly heinous there.

RPO is not a status symbol; it will signify the Dumbartons as International Protected Persons, so wherever they go their hosts will have to pony up. If the dim CHIMPO of a tech startup and the Suitcase Girl can't deal with the rejection and it's so scary out there, then stay home bitches. Nobody is checking for yall anyway.

I doubt The Majesty is much interested in meeting Lillibet and Archie.

The Grifters of Montecito are so narcistic they think they can continually tell blatant lies to millions of people and not get caught. They'll even throw supposed friends under the pass to get what they want. I wonder if Oprah still has any communication with them.

R268 He knows full well that it isn't possible to pay for Royal Protection Officers or other Police protection.

He is perfectly free to hire private security as Prince Andrew does for his Daughters. They cannot legally carry any kind of weapon and will be excluded from events where senior Royals are present.

Although I don't always agree, I enjoy reading Della's opinions. She doesn't get overly emotional. I concur that not getting any attention would be more upsetting than getting booed. How else to explain Harry's antics at the Diana statue ceremony or his grandfather's funeral and Meghan's Ellen appearance nonsense?

R274 - This is another panto set up to cover the familiar hallmarks of Sussex PR agenda:

He and his lawyers know the offer to "pay for it" is bogus because the taxpayer funded Met police force aren't available for lease or hire by private citizens.

The Home Office today already stated that it did not accept Harry's argument.

Therefore, the whole thing must have been set to satisfy other motives. Now, what could those be?

Painting themselves as victims (check)

Using the courts and legal system to make the point (check)

If they're lucky, blackmailing Charles into paying for their security so he can meet his grandchildren (check) and avoiding another nasty legal battle JUST when the BRF is steeling itself for another one (check, and oh, what amazing timing!)

Harry still insisting that even though he chucked the job, trashed and lied about his employers whom he will never again represent, accused his father of genetic pain and racism, leaked the gist of phone calls to American journalists to try to threaten his family into "addressing [their] concerns, and is raising his 7th and 8th in line kids in America, HE'S JUST AS IMPORTANT AS WILLIAM!!!!! (check)

When they're told to fuck off, they announce that without that security, they can't possibly return to Britain (and, therefore, can skip facing the family and public that hate their guts - and blame other people for what is, in actuality, a carefully executed retreat on the order of Dunkirk (check)

It's quite beautifully laid out, isn't it? Harry gets more of his envious vicious rocks off, they get to moan about their victimhood again, flounce off in a huff (again), and flex their legal muscle.

Why, at this point, Harry could probably argue the case himself!

They're so damn transparent.

Especially as, if they were invited, it was only for private events and it was made clear that there would be no balcony or other appearances where the Sussexes could use Baby Lilibet and Archie to distract attention from the Queen, steal the headlines, and burnish their tarnishing celebrity and royal identiy (check)

How do you know his cousins aren’t getting death threats? Or that Harry is, r269? The biggest threat he had in the UK was having a photographer follow him.

Were Harry receiving death threats in the UK, the government would know and presumably, would forward that knowledge.

Journalists in the UK often receive death threats, yet don’t get Met security. Harry is no different.

I get a kick out of the DM’s lurid headlines, but I read a broadsheet, The Telegraph. Don’t assume you know anything about me, you mental midget. You don’t.

[quote]His cousins aren't getting death threats.

You mean, his cousins WEREN'T getting death threats. Because it's entirely likely that the Yorks are getting very angry threats now that their father has been stripped of his privileges due to his legal problems over his gross actions.

The pap activity around both has increased the past week, Bea had pap photos published twice this past week, once when she was out on a private, unattended stroll with her new baby.

[quote]And it's not about what ranking he is. It's about whether he deserves to be safe or not. And you don't think he deserves appropriate security. You actually think he and his family deserve to get hurt or killed? Because they're not working royals.

Of course they don't deserve harm or to be killed. Get off your exaggerated Mary! high horse there. No one thinks they don't deserve appropriate security, even their detractors. The question at hand is 1) what is "appropriate" security levels for the non-working #6 in line and 2) that they pay for their own.

Harry has offered his own funds to solve #2, but the issue is he doesn't want private security, he wants to pay for Met officers, which is a non-starter. A no-go, not allowed. Which goes back to #1, what's appropriate for him and his family. He doesn't seem to agree with any of the prevailing communal opinion in the UK, that the need isn't that great or justified.

Dai Davies, the former Head of Scotland Yard's royal protection unit, was interviewed by BBC today and he told them that if there ever were a credible threat against Harry or his family, the Met would take action. Harry's claims that he is left out in the dark with no access to UK intelligence are bogus. If there was actual intelligence (aka a creditable threat) he would be made aware of it.

This is 100% setting the stage to "excuse" them for the Jubilee Celebrations (at most they were probably only invited to the Jubilee Service of Thanksgiving and not to the trooping the colour or balcony appearances) while enhancing their victim narrative to people dumb enough not to look into the actual situation.

If Harry and Meghan were getting death threats, I'm sure we would have heard about it. This couple specializes in outrage and victimhood.

R254 - Hey, we're only working with the material they have so publicly handed us.

He's the 6th in line, he wants to be treated like the 2nd in line.

He knows that his offer to pay is bogus.

The Home Office already said it rejects his argument, does anyone really suppose they think a judicial review is going to contradict that?

He knows the UK public hates him and that he'll be kept far from the really BIG EVENTS of the Platinum Jubilee

He needs a good excuse not to show his face, because the media here will be slyly wondering not to sotto voce WHY he isn't there . . .

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck . . .

This new piece of bullshit is Sussex 101. It checks every box that we've all seen them check before.

There's nothing complex about it.

It is exactly what it looks like.

[quote]It’s laughable to think Beatrice and Eugenie face the same level of threat.

This is no longer true, not at all. As has been pointed out, the Yorks are now public point of anger and ridicule #1 in the BRF, far surpassing the Sussexes. And they are living full time in the UK, close to the Queen in many ways, so even more of a target of anger and derision.

If they can live without Met offices and RPOs through this latest episode, there is no justification for H&M to have them. None.

R279 Davies also spoke to The Mirror

r85 points to an Express article as a source for hard news? It's a tabloid on par with the UK Sun and Mirror.

The Queen most certainly does NOT have final say in protection and security arrangements for any of the BRF, including herself. Re-read the article that was linked, it even clearly states that Scotland Yard controls these arrangements and makes final decisions.

The insane twisting of facts re the Sussexes, to fit their equally insane demands and narratives, is beyond tiring.

I agree that Hazza's offer to pay for police protection is bogus.

Because HE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

So Omid Scobie is saying on Twitter that Sussexes will not be attending the Jubilee over security fears.

^Their end game all along. They would not have had the photo ops they desired had they attended.

R286 No shock there. It's likely they were only invited to the Service of Thanksgiving (the event that actually matters the most to the very religious Queen) and not to the more public events.

R286 - Well, there's a right shock.

Really, we should have formed a pool and put money on it.

R287 - And not only that, but does anyone really think that William would let them anywhere near his wife and children? Would agree even to remain in a room with the woman who started the affair rumour through her friends Coren and Cliffe?

He can't face the family he trashed; she knows they hate her guts; and frankly, the family don't care about meeting a couple of kids they have no relationship with whatsoever.

They really are incredibly transparent. The BRF probably knew this was the game all along.

R270 - Where'd you see Elba? Someplace he often is?

[quote] Would agree even to remain in a room with the woman who started the affair rumour through her friends Coren

You truly are out of touch if you think Giles Coren and Meghan Markle are friends.

[quote] I enjoy reading Della's opinions. She doesn't get overly emotional.

You’ve said this now more than once, R275.

Not all of us are enamoured with Della. Whether she is “emotional” or not. (What’s your hang up with emotions?)

It is irrelevant.

Smoooches, r275

[quote]The issue here is that Harry is due to be at a large-scale event where others are already going to be under Met protection, and he wants it as well due to the extraordinary press he and his family have been getting from tabloids and very angry people who are unhealthily emotionally invested in hating them, and who are literally blaming him for the Queen's declining health and for her husband's demise.

Who, and where, are these people? Outside of the confines of the fringes of DL threads and other online outlets. What "very angry people" are such a threat to them, offline? The main emotion from the UK citizenry is boredom, indifference or plain irritation at their endless dramas and accusations.

"Extraordinary press" -? They sat for an hours-long, no-holds-barred tabloid-level tell-all with OPRAH of all people, during which they levelled all kinds of personal, mostly unsupportable accusations at his high-level family (none at hers, natch). And they weren't expecting to become media heat scores after that? It was part of the entire point of the event, to get press attention and raise profiles.

Everything they do is planned and timed for maximum tabloid and media attention. The interviews, the leaks via their mouthpieces, the books, the endless litigation. They are experts at this. They are simply incapable of sitting back and living private, productive lives.

r242 is the prime response for this entire thread. Case close.

Grease fire, r294

^ Indeed, R297.

Della seemed in her element mocking those children and adults who died aboard a burning boat in her infamous thread.

Not “overly emotional” indeed.

[quote] Grease fire

Ooooh, squared me, r297.

*eyeroll*

And, r298, stalk away at me, 'ya creepy weirdo.

Oh drat. You all are reminiscing and here I am about to miss out on one of the biggest PR events of my life. Its so unfair.

[quote] And, [R298], stalk away at me, 'ya creepy weirdo.

Nope. No stalking, Della. Just a photographic memory.

Before you go calling others “creepy”, perhaps revisit your thread where you creepily mocked the deaths of others from a fire on a scuba boat off the California coast.

I was not the only person on DL that was repulsed by your NOT “overly emotional” thread.

r301, I've been here 20 years. Obviously, you don't know of the hundreds of threads here that have mocked tragedies.

Are you sure your delicate sensibilities can handle this place?

And there were no children on that boat.

You’ve certainly got me beat, Della. I’ve only been here a decade. But I do believe I can handle The DL.

And in regards to your infamous fire thread, there was some discussion regarding children: or not. I’ll leave that up to others to decide.

Given that The DL is known as “the vile pit of trolley”, the fact that your threads (and often inappropriate comments) stand out as some of the more heinous, speaks volumes.

I won’t engage further because it will serve neither you nor me....and it is off topic.

R286 Because the UK is literally Somalia

I think there are multiple issues at play here and I think the biggest one is the Sussexes running out of cash . They live a lifestyle way above what they have in available income , they are merely rich , not rich rich . They want to offload their security costs and to do so they need their previous status back . So Harry wants the same security he had back when he was a working royal and had 24/7 RPOs . He (or better his brain by the name of M.M ) figured it'll look bad if he wants the public to pay for it so there is the offer to pay for it himself . However , what he wants to buy isn't for sale and he probably knows that (you never know with him ) . He can't hire active duty armed police officers for a private individuals , he could hire ex officers or other private security but those can't be armed . He already knows he won't succeed with this review but it lets them play the victim who were cruely denied security by evil Britain even though they nobly offered to pay for it themselves . Jubilee nope we can't come , it's not safe and it's definitely not because we can't get the money shot of Big Lilibet with little Lilibet . Should they for whatever reason manage to get those armed officers they could then try to use the argument that the UK deemed them in so much danger that they need the same type of security in the US and need the tax payers to pay for it . Sort of getting their IPP status back through the backdoor .

Agree R304.

What Harry really wants is the motorcycle outriders and the full circus.

He would have eventually lost that anyway, marrying Princess Pinocchio probably delayed the removal slightly.

Don't forget that The Duke of Kent and The Duke of Gloucester were once as high in the line of succession as Prince Harry.

Could the Queen provide security for them if Meghan were to sign a full confession of her schemes and the outrageous lies she told about the family?

F and F every post signed by the Nazi calling iitself 'Ahmed, Harry's Little Paki Friend'. Who the fuck says 'paki' in this day and age? This place is a hotbed for every right wing racist online.

Fugenie and Beatroll aren't likely to attract the attention of Muslim terrorists who hate them for killing other Muslims in Afghanistan, are they?

R309 Only thing is it's not true, once the camera's left they kept Harry locked in a bunker.

Harry. Harry says "Paki", Einstein R308. You really didn't get that those signatures you F&F'd were mocking your accusations of racism, did you? No wonder, Sussex fandom doesn't scream high intellect.

[quote] “Anyone else here ... ah, our little Paki friend ... Ahmed,” Harry says as he zooms onto the face of an Asian officer cadet while waiting at an airport to fly to Cyprus. The word “Paki” is derogatory slang for an immigrant or descendant of an immigrant from Pakistan. Harry was also shown telling another officer cadet wearing a camouflage veil during a night maneuver in Cyprus, “You look like a raghead” -- an offensive term for an Arab.

Harry used the term "Paki" and "raghead" and dressed up as a Nazi.

'Only thing is it's not true, once the camera's left they kept Harry locked in a bunker.'

And you think this makes a difference to ISIS or other terror groups? As far as they're concerned he was operating remote killing technology and I'm pretty sure he was too. Zero risk to himself from that.

Well that Scooby-Doo(sorry can't resist) tweet said it. This is the face saving, no we can't come to Jubilee. Remember Paris?? We'll die too.!! Which is actually, not we can't come & have it confirmed loud & clear that we are less than zero on the whose royalty scale. Talk about an epic failure of PR.

I think the only solution is for Harry to call Greta & have another chat & set up to go on tour with her. He had so much insight on global warming during their last chats. Oh wait, that was a prank? No matter. She will be thrilled to tour with him. He is such an expert on everything. Perhaps he can show her some head tapping or other things to help with her issues.

'Harry used the term "Paki" and "raghead" and dressed up as a Nazi.'

AGED 18! Kate worked as yacht crew aged 19 and all the rich old men were drooling over her legs and no doubt fucking her in the jacuzzi, but we don't mention that, do we?

Are YOU 18,, poster signing yourself 'paki'? More like 80 as we know the Klan Granny demographic.

R313 The only Royal to have had a serious attempt made on their life is Princess Anne.

She doesn't have full time security now.

Yeah but she & the driver took care of that guy. Can you imagine Prince Pussy as in noball check my wifesy bag in that situation. Whinging, crying like a girl comes to mind.

I'm thinking a side issue is the Harkles have no content for Spotify or Netflix. No doubt the only reason they signed them up was because they claimed they could get oodles of Super VIPs to take part including the Royal family. Then they went and fucked that up shooting their wad with Oprah for free. Royal family out, Obamas out. They need footage of the royal family, up close, and them as integral parts of the royal family to keep up the scam. As celebs in LA they just aren't giving Netflix what they want. No doubt the extra police protection was to show how important Harry is. And it backfired.

Della bringing that insufferable 'not like the other girls' energy to yet another thread.

He's like Tori Spelling in that they both claim to have been in therapy for years but neither has shown any improvement in dealing with their issues

Sounds like they already got a huge lump sum of money, though. Despite not creating any content, yet.

Based on Meghan's letter to Nancy Pelosi (Sizzler salad bar saga), she's totally clueless.

I don’t agree with them often, but Della’s posts are reasonable and interesting instead of rambling, psychotic diatribes like 75% of the posters in these threads write.

Yet you sound [bold] unreasonable [/bold], R322, if you perceive the majority of posts on Datalounge as rambling and psychotic, and continue participation.

And you find sociopathic posts like Dellas as reasonable and interesting.

Are you neuro-atypical, R322? Your aversion to emotion and bizarre repetition suggests so.

If we could just get back to the original topic for a moment…

Who is Harry’s “legal spokesperson”? Is it a lawyer? What firm? Is it an Archewell employee? Because, remember: the public cannot believe a statement made about the Sussexes from “anonymous” sources and can only believe statements that come from Archewell.

So what/who is the source for this story?

You're sweet, r322. Thank you.

While I lack the credentials to diagnose you, r323, still, I can state to a reasonable degree of observational certainty that your elevator ain't reaching the top floor. The cheese has slipped off the cracker. The lights are on, but nobody's letting the cat out.

See? you ain't the only one who can throw around psychological jargon.

And this will be my last post here. I'll never learn. I ventured into this thread thinking and hoping, this time it will be different. Well, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Some of the posters here are the reasons why a lot of DLers want Muriel to ban BRF threads.

Harry should have a podcast with Meghan McCain about losing a parent and never ever ever remotely dealing with it. Think of the ratings.

Haz does need a gimmick but not sure that's it.

If only Harry could spend time with all the mentally healthy and nurturing people on DL, I’m sure he would come to his senses and see that life in the UK was bliss.

Della isn’t crazy. Like r322, I don’t always agree with her, and don’t always care for her pronouncements, but I’m not getting “sociopath”. She’s not unhinged like some of the nuts who populate these threads.

Can we move the Della talk to another thread? It’s distracting and unnecessary here.

Thank you in advance.

If the letter is from four months ago, what is the resolution? Is Harry going to sue the Home Office? Or did he get what he wanted? What happened in the months between then and now?

Does anyone know?

While I am disappointed Harry and Meghan are not going to the jubilee, I am also looking forward to what schemes they are cooking up in order to steal the spotlight during it. I know Harry's book is coming out around that time, so I fully expect that to cause drama. We all know Meghan just can't take the back seat, so she better bring her attention whoring A-game. Sure, them attending would have caused a media fuss, but this is better in my opinion.

At this point Harry would have to live stream taking 50+ loads over the course of an afternoon to steal the spotlight from the Jubilee

Liz is going to do a Betty White and kick the bucket just before the celebrations start.

She’ll think of something. Lilibet could fall into that unfenced pool and Archie could save her. There could be a fire at their “mansion”. The paparazzi could chase Meghan’s armored Land Rover into a concrete pillar of a freeway underpass (not fatal, thank the stars!).

There are a million ways to grab center stage and Meghan knows them all.

Of course he's going to do something stupid in an attempt to steal the spotlight! That's the whole reason it's going to be a good watch. It will be very cringe worthy, and extremely obvious. It's why we all watch this train wreck R333

you are ALL insane and need a new hobby.

how the hell do ANY of you know the details?

There was no way in hell they were ever going. Unless they were guaranteed to get 100% the same treatment as Will and Kate.

As soon as a poster refers to “Big Liz”, “Liz”, Betty”, “Her Royal Majesty” or “HMQ” I zone out.

Is that because of your blood pressure or the alcohol?

No, R340, it’s because I know that the post I’ll be some fan fic from a clueless American.

As you asked.

Quite the nationalist, aren’t you?

That’s a strange thing to say, R342 - why do you say that?

I think something is up and this up:

A) Harry and Meghan have really seemed sidelined especially with the Kate and the BRF really nailing the holidays, with Kate's 40th bday being the most recent buzz. They smell opportunity with Andrew and decide to use this security things as a flex to remind the world that they are indeed first string royal. A reminder how hard down by Harry and Megs have been treated,

B) Preemptive strike because after the Andrew scandal, HM & Co. have decided that the last thing they need is more of the wrong kind of attention and Harry/Meghan were given a no go on the Jubilee. We all know the Queen doesn't strike unless she has to and she likes to give deadlines. Maybe H & M were given some kind of ultimatum about attending which they failed or HM decided better not risk more bad publicity via Charles/William and they decided to kill two (three) birds with one stone.

C) A stretch, but could Harry and/or Meghan be testing the waters for a UK return to working royal status. They've had 2 solid years as commoners. They started out with a bang and ended up a fizzle shortly after the first year. Maybe they've realized they are nothing w/o being working royals. Unlikely but with the "not being over the moon w/ their Montecito location", maybe the location they are thinking is back to the UK

D) Harry is testing the water to go back to the UK solo.

Something is up beyond just attention whoring. As simple as being disinvited to the Jubilee or as big as returning back or trying to get back in the fold.

[quote]I still think SS leaked it

You're going to believe whatever you want to believe, and this isn't the first time that the Daily Mail has done a nasty hit piece full of lies that you idiots have insisted was really the work of "the SS."

r337, they don't know any details. They make it up. Everything posted on these threads is almost certain to be a lie, so unless you see a link to a legitimate news source, take anything you hear with a grain of salt.

Many things posted on these threads have proven true with time, r345.

[quote]Fugenie and Beatroll aren't likely to attract the attention of Muslim terrorists who hate them for killing other Muslims in Afghanistan, are they?

I suppose that's meant to be just as funny as calling yourself a "Paki"? You guys have absolutely no concept of humor.

With the crazy shit going around Andrew right now, I think his daughters should have plenty of protection, too. Not sure why you guys started going nuts with the Muslim talk but it's not like there isn't some serious stuff going on in their lives right now, thanks to their skeevy dad.

[quote]Many things posted on these threads have proven true with time

Absolutely untrue. None of the crazy conspiracies you've invented have turned out to be true at all.

I haven’t invented anything.

In the Dangling Tendrils thread, for example, it was suggested before HaM’s wedding, that they would leave the BRF for California. That did prove true.

Au Contraire. iIseem to remember loads of posts when Meg went to Canada saying LA next. Others poo pooing it & lo & behold. California there they went. Many more like DLer's saying she would deball him & There he was juggling his nuts outside the window for her 40th. Many more I'm sure..

You’re seriously fucked in the head, aren’t you R315?

Get help.

Yeah....a lot of rumors from those dangling tendrils threads have proven true. To add to those above, here are several more:

1) Behind the scenes of the wedding, things were a DISASTER. This was well before Tiaragate (“what Meghan wants, Meghan gets”) and the mess up regarding the plain and ill-fitting wedding/affiliated dresses (fittings problematic, bust ups with Kate/Charlotte, the head of Givenchy being fired some time after the wedding, etc.)

2) The Down Under Tour: issues with Australian officials, “tour crap”, the loss of staff following the tour for suspicious behavior on the part of the duo, MBS “blood diamond” earrings whose origin was denied, etc.

3) The Separation of The Cambridges and The Duo: during/ after the Aussie tour, the “Fab Four” were separated. The Harkles were booted from the joint foundation and from KP.

4) Rumours of bullying by Meghan of royal staff; punctuated by inordinate loss of many KP staff....

There is much more, but am being called to return to work.....

[quote]In the Dangling Tendrils thread

There are about 50 of those threads, many deleted, and the tabloids were suggesting California as their final destination as well. That didn't come from here.

Most of you guys were saying they'd end up in Africa, just like the racist tabloids had been suggesting.

It has nothing to do with inventing anything. The Sussex duo are just that fucking predictable and transparent.

Yeah, I'm seeing you guys saying California, Canada, Africa seems to have been your favorite pick, someone said Virginia, that was weird. None of this (except VA) originated here, it came from tabloid speculation.

I can't think of a single one of your theories that originated here instead of a tabloid and came true. You guys spend all your time repeating insults and lies over and over, you're not exactly expert prognosticators.

The Dangling Tendrils thread I was referring to predicted them moving to California before the marriage. I remember it specifically, as I was skeptical of that prediction.

R352 is correct as well. The bullying was discussed at length here during the Australia tour. I was skeptical of that, as well.

DL seems to be good at sussing out poor behaviour. I tend to always see the good in people, so have been surprised at how accurate posters have been.

Moving to Canada was a head-scratcher. Plus, it was remote (but beautiful) area. Lots of people probably thought: they're moving to the US soon.

I'm guessing Montecito is boring, no matter how huge that mansion is. I predict another move.

[quote] You guys spend all your time repeating insults and lies over and over,

Untrue. “Recollections May Vary”.

But regarding lies, perhaps address the DOCUMENTED, court lies of Meghan Markle.

Another move to where, r357?

It’s like a muscle memory reflex that you see in partisan political spokes people in the US. No matter what you bring up or how you bring it up, there is an immediate pivot to say how loathsome Harry and Meghan are.

R359, I'm guessing LA. I'm picturing a Jennifer Garner situation: call the paps to meet them at the pumpkin patch in October.

I know Meghan isn't it just awful how EVERYONE Everywhere are just so obsessed with persecuting you!! Poor You!!

Speaking of her attention whoring A-game R332, perhaps she’ll host a barbecue for the media.

Where did learn how to stick her butt out like that? On one of her humanitarian missions or in her female empowerment class?

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[quote] Another move to where, [R357]?

Not R357, but I have rumors from Montecito. It’s tea really, so let the record state for R355 that these are theories.

Montecito residents resent the Harkles for several reasons. One being pap intrusion as Markle calls the paps despite her protestations. Two is the fact that they tried to hustle neighbors to beef up security around the neighborhood. Three is that the staff at chez Harkle Home are not treated well (workers are friends with workers at other Montecito homes). And most interestingly four, Meghan and Katy Perry are in a tête-à-tête: Katy was surprised at the demands of motherhood. With her daughter Daisy she is one and done. Meghan took it upon herself to poke Katy by stating that one child is just a hobby. Real parenting - or a family - involves two children. Note that Markle has emphasized this by promoting this in interviews (Ellen) and at Christmas.

Most Montecito residents side with Katy. She is less abhorrent than Markle.

Given their portrayal on the Montecito local journal, it’s clear The Harkles are parodied.

Agree that it’s likely they will leave the area for several reasons: money being a big one also.

Oh Lord. The infamous grilling video where M writhes around the grill (demonstrating how to get 2nd degree burns) and seductively eats a hamburger while licking her greasy fingers. Caliente!

Well,I for one am here for the never ending H+M stupidity. Very entertaining.

R364 Wharfe really turned the knife in the wound there. And Wharfe was very close to Diana. Harry is finished in the UK. He can be a celebrity in the US but as he no longer has a connection to the royal family, he's definitely demoted to reality TV level. It's not like he's ever accomplished anything and his wife is a failed starlet.

Here’s another prediction or theory:

Let the record state, that somehow, somewhere evidence of Meghan Markle’s poor behavior to subordinates will be leaked. Via a report (investigation that is ongoing). Book (Tom Bower’s expose). Court case (lawsuits aplenty) or the press (someone stepping forward).

Then there will be a deluge of reports of Markle’s abuse dating back to pre-royal days.

Markle will be canceled. Everywhere. She may eventually work her way back into society via mocking acknowledgment (a la Chrissy Tiegen), but this combined with Harry’s antics will shut them out of most all respectable situations.

It will be fascinating to see this unfold.

I'm not an American but I feel that a move to New York seems very likely. They have utterly failed in California, nobody really bought their shit and now people are beginning to see them for what they really are.

NY has the lively social scene Megdusa craves, more pap opportunities and the possibility for some kind of political move - the inly bulshitting they haven't tried yet, and the only one in their grasp - Megs is too old for acting, Harry is incapable of tying his own shoelaces, so political bulshitting is the only viable career left due to Harry's stature. I predict something narcissistic à la Angelina Jolie - UN ambassadors or similar.

They’re just not that important. Sorry.

I could see moving to NYC if Doria (Meghan's mother) would move with them. NYC would make more sense if Harry needed to go back and forth to London a lot. (A few hours quicker by plane vs. California.) Not as many paps, though. At this point, I don't think Harry will be going back and forth to London a lot, though.

I can't see Harry in NYC. Much harder to escape the paparazzi, the "haters" and the "various threats"

Agree R370 & R372. NYC could definitely be in their sights.

Do you recall that they oddly visited the Canadian Embassy to “thank the Canadians” for hosting their Christmas holiday shortly before Megxit? Spidey senses tingle that the Canadian Embassy visit involved far more than acknowledging Canadians. It was a trial balloon to either ask for a position or security or visa or something before they jumped ship to British Columbia. Recall photos of Meghan then with heavy perspiration stains? This was much more than a friendly chat; it seemed heavy duty.

There is the sense that the weird NYC trip in September was along the same lines. Scouting out possible next moves? Following pap photos with Bill de Blasio and Kathy Hochul, their UN visit was brief. And the photos of them exiting the UN revealed their faces to be less than pleased.

For some reason I sense undercurrents that they are seeking their next move. There is talk that they are now “not over the moon” with their home. Money issues may be a significant issue. And there is circulating talk of “returning to the UK”. For a visit? Harry only? To live?

But NYC is a good guess. They’ll need money, though. And connections.

Hmmm - Meghan in NYC, Harry back in London - royal co-parenting? Harry is back in London, an easy 7 hour flight to NYC. Maybe possible. Harry seems like he would fit better. CA is the land of dreams, where NYC is more similar to London and has more of a old school class system,

Harry would make Alec Baldwin's dealings with paparazzi look like an afternoon church picnic.

Absolutely not. Government police and security services aren’t for sale to private citizens. He can use privately paid security.

NYC is far more brutal than L.A. or Monteshitto. It is also very class oriented in those old money circles. Meghan will never be accepted there. Doria is just another grifter. Didn't she quit her job right after the wedding to run some cash only senior citizen scam?

I imagine Meghan as Sarah Jessica Parker's character in "First Wives Club" trying to get into the good graces of an old Maggie Smith matron in NYC and being viciously mocked by her and used as comedy fodder at parties.

[quote] It is also very class oriented in those old money circles. Meghan will never be accepted there.

I remember reading about one of Toronto’s hairstylists who introduced Meghan to a psychic. Apparently this person was quite sought after due to their accuracy. M’s stylist was able to finagle an appointment The psychic told Meghan she’d be moving to live in London. This was years before Harry was even on the radar. Meghan said in the joint interview with the stylist that she was thrilled and “couldn’t wait” because (she) “loved London”.

Self-awareness has never been Markle’s strong Suit. Jumping into something - or somewhere - that is not appropriate for her does not seem to stop her and it seems she rushes headlong into situations that are completely over her head. She does so with bravado.

Poor impulse control.

[quote]I predict something narcissistic à la Angelina Jolie - UN ambassadors or similar.

Wasn't she already rejected by some UN program? She abruptly left a market appearance in Fiji in a huff when she saw that they also had a presence at the event. Sorry I can't remember the program's name.

like the obsessives posting here...

[quote] Wasn't she already rejected by some UN program? She abruptly left a market appearance in Fiji in a huff when she saw that they also had a presence at the event. Sorry I can't remember the program's name.

Yes, R381. Some women’s program affiliated with the UN. As mentioned above, they also visited the UN headquarters in NYC in September.

Dear: "Y'alls are obsessives/psychos/mentally ill/racist/jealous/fraus" etc.

You're. Here. Too.

You're here castigating strangers for castigating a stranger (and we know a hell of a lot more about our stranger - because she tells us - than you do about us, it has to be said). You're here posting, bitching, joining in. If you really hated people saying mean things about this particular celeb you'd just leave - but you don't. You enjoy it. You just enjoy it from atop a high horse you've built for yourself out of smugness and convention (but she's so pretty! she can't be a pain in the arse! - right?). We see you. You're either against saying mean things to/about strangers or you're not. Pick one. And fyi? "It's only OK when I do it" is a child's reaction.

I can laugh at your silly obsession all I want!

Well stated, R384.

Thank you for clearly delineating the fatuous hypocrisy of the trolls.

PS. Fucking lol @ Della's 'If you can't handle my making light of people burning to death you don't belong here' schtick. Our point exactly you flouncing, basic bitch. You either come to DL and deal with this kind of tone or you fuck off. Don't come here and finger wag people for shit talking a pretty celeb while you've got posts ripping the piss out of fire victims in your history. And note I'm not saying you shouldn't have said any of that, because I understand where I am. Just pointing out that you've definitely forfeited your right to give out decency lessons to internet anons.

Actually, they tried to visit UN HQ but weren't allowed to meet the Secretary General, and ended up at the American Mission to Africa at the UN. They ac also weren't allowed to use the recording equipment they had newly tried to use during whatever little meeting they were allowed inside, and their stony faces when th had left were readable from Outer Space.

And I'm sorry to have to inform you media toffs out there that, in fact, the tabloids have broken stories that happened to be true, well before the broadsheets would touch them.

The vicious arrogance of Harry's latest temper tantrum and the details of his lawyer's statements on his behalf are being carried by every "respectable" paper in the UK. There is nothing to guess at here.

Appearing in the DM does not ipso facto mean a story is false, or they'd be out of business. They broke the story of the Wales marriage being on the rocks well before the TIMES, Telegraph. Standard, etc., finally acknowledged the obvious.

It's common sense to take phrases like "a source/royal insider close to the couple/Palace" with a grain of salt. But the fact is most of these media outlets do have channels.

Harry and. Meghan have displayed, and are yet again here displaying their borderline psychotic obsession with their status and the special treatment that they thirst for for validation.

They have provided plenty of proof. Just look at the spine of THE BENCH. It says MEGHAN THE DUCHESS OF SUSSEX in huge letters aling the entire spine but without the title of the book. You pick up a copy of ANNA KARENINA and it has the title on the left and LEO TOLSTOY on the right.

Harry and his lawyers know perfectly well that private individuals cannot hire or lease the Metropolitan Police Force. It is therefore transparent that the real aim is to get back the aura of first rank royalty by overturning his No Paid Security for Nonworking Unimportant Princes. The security bullshit is just a smokescreen.

Because, logically, if they agree he had special royal security issues, why should he pay for it?

The cost of royal security according to a story in the TIMES last year is becoming astronomical. Harry spending even a few days in London with 24/7 police protection for his entire family is a seven-figure proposition.

And then there's the question of precedent. If they break their own rule, let us say, and let Harry hire the Met, why not Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos or anyone else with lots of ego, money, and "concerns" who wants expert armed protection whilst in London?

Not to mention the fury of taxpayers who already believe there aren't enough police on the streets for THEM. Does Harry really suppose the Home Office and any "judicial review" along with Scotland Yard and the Met, don't know that?!

You don't need a PhD in psychology to see Harry yet again making a spectacle of his thwarted rage and glee at putting the boot in to his family and his country, because both OWE HIM.

And the most interesting aspect of it is that, as usual, the Suusexes end up, in their crazed attempts to remind the world how SPECIAL they are, increasing their already very high Unlikability Quotient.

You couldn't make it up.

You are all basic, envious bitches.

I'd shove a shit covered dildo up your granny's rotten cunt after I dig her up, Karen (of Montecito...you wish!).

R381 The event in the Fiji Market was organised by a UN umbrella Women's Programne that Meghan had tried to get herself made an Ambassador for whilst still a d-list actress. They refused. The minute she saw the sign on the market, she turned around and left. Women vendors had been waiting hours to see her. There's a photo or video somewhere of one of her aides crying on the limo out.

The story was part of Lacey's recently "re-edited" book about William and Harry. The TIMES printed excerpts from the Lacey book, one of which contained the Fiji Market story.

Meghan filed a press complaint against the TIMES for printing it.

The press complaint went nowhere.

Meghan and Harry are two of the pettyist, most vengeful, self-regarding people God ever put on earth.

Oh, remember when the story leaked that Harry lied about getting his Gran's approval to name his daughter Lilibet? And of having a Zoom call with Gran immediately after Lilibet was born?

Harry yet again sent letters through his lawyers to the BBC and ITV threatening (yet again) legal action calling the story "defamatory".

And then, the Palace refused to back his claim up directly to the BBC, which printed THAT?

Legal threat quietly died.

This is who Meghan and Harry really are.

Where.There’s.Smoke.There’s.Fire.

Isn’t it interesting that the lawsuit-obsessed-couple has yet to file a lawsuit against Valentin Low for his reports of what he has heard are “shocking” examples of Megan’s bullying?

There is something to this as she had a lawyer go on record to basically gaslight and redefine the term *bullying* as it applies to Markle.

If half the stories of people from around-the-world who state she is a terror behind a cheshire-cat-façade are true, things are going to be 🔥 when they come out.

[quote]I knew/ had a business interaction with Meghan Markle before she became an A-list celeb. My god, the amount of wild drama that ensued from her end...

[quote] I’m not here to trash Meghan. I’m not a hater. I was one of those people who truly wanted to stan Meghan Markle (before and after her engagement to Prince Harry). I met her 1 year before she started dating Prince Harry. I can’t say the line of work I was in...but let’s just say I needed to work closely on a photo shoot with her. I was a c-level exec for a certain company that contracted Meghan to do a photo shoot. I hand selected her for the photo shoot. I believed she was going to become HUGELY successful in the future, that’s why I chose her. We had everything lined up (world class vogue photographer, stylists, location, hotels booked... the works!). Meghan agreed to do the shoot. We spent many weeks discussing the shoot with her and her “PR” (a mysterious woman that we couldn’t call. We could only speak to via email ). Meghan had a lot of outrageous demands for someone that very few people actually heard of at the time... . Nevertheless, we gave her what she requested.

[quote]Everything went well up until 1 day before the photo shoot. Next thing you know (skimming over a lot of the story here), Meghan’s “PR” is freaking out at us because someone from our team (Mind you, this person received previous authorization from HER PR) posted a social media post about the upcoming shoot. My god, the friendly, mysterious PR turned into a down right psychopath overnight. She cursed us out, threatened us, and acted damn right insane (all via email). When I say insane, I mean INSANE. Discombobulated sentences, all caps, 10 pages of PURE, incoherent madness. Long story short, the photo shoot ended up being cancelled! We had to scramble to find a new celeb last minute. FF to a few months later, I met up with Meghan at an event. She was nice and lovely (as she portrays herself to be on camera... But I have a very sharp intuition when it comes to people. Every-time I spoke to her, she seemed off... contrived to me as if she was hiding something). I told her about her PR’s behaviour and she seemed genuinely shocked. She claimed to have no idea that her emotionally unstable PR ruined the photo shoot OP with us. She claimed to have been genuinely interested in the gig and mentioned that her PR said we were the ones who cancelled the contract. That day, I spoke to a friend of mine who worked for another company. Their company contracted Meghan for a photo shoot as well and shared a similar story of Meghan Markle (mind you, the companies that my friend and I represented at the time were big league brands that worked with several MUCH bigger celebs in the past). After the event, Meghan sent me an apology email. I had a nagging suspicion about her and ended up cross checking the location stamp of her email as well as the one from her PR (for those of you who don’t know this, it is very easy to trace the origin of an email)... Guess what? Both emails originated from the exact same computer and location (her home in Toronto).

[quote]This woman has serious issues. Her cancelling the photo shoot is not the part that bothers me. How she did it creeps me out. No sane person behaves that way! If you saw the email, you would understand what I mean. I was not exaggerating when I said the email was totally psychotic. The person who wrote it was clearly having a mental break down. I strongly believe she wrote that email. For the longest time I didn’t want to accept what I found out about her. Even after what she did to us, I wanted to Stan her as the first “black-ish” princess. It wasn’t until I read about her constantly loosing staff at the palace, and the tempestuous relationships she would have with people, that I realized she really must have psychological issues.

[quote] Oh, I forgot to mention one more interesting part of the story. A few weeks after Meghan got engaged to Prince Harry, I received emails from several publications (The Daily Mail Included) asking for the photos from the photo shoot we did with Meghan. Apparently her “PR” told these news outlets that they could get photos of her and commentary from me. That was my second biggest WTF moment with her. Why would Meghan tell these people to contact me for photos that she knows we never took! I believe she was reaching out to the press at that time, secretly feeding them information. I strongly believe that she is also feeding the rumour mill with salacious stories about herself to remain relevant. She took far too many pages of advice from the Kardashian media machine. God help her.

R393/394 WTF!!!! That's beyond insane! Actually, what am I expecting from someone able to bully a small child.

I wonder how she treats Harry. Their security team who quit said they did partly because of the way she was treating her husband.

I've read this exact same story r393 somewhere else. This is copied and pasted from somewhere.

[quote] You enjoy it.

I do enjoy splashing cold water on these delusional posts. Many of you quite clearly come to this forum, which isn’t oriented toward you, because you think it’s a place you can engage in these hate-filled fantasies (which have zero basis in reality) without any judgment or someone telling you to stop. Your behavior here isn’t normal or healthy. It’s embarrassing and the people you’re talking about are real people, not soap opera characters. Real people that you’re slavering over as you wish for their unhappiness. Get some help!

At 397 posts, I don't quite think your "cold water splashes" are having any impact whatsoever.

No one cares. Now run along and bore someone else.

Please dear baby Jesus, let these clowns move to New York.

I can just see the New York Post headlines now.

R397 So, it's a fantasy that she lied to the courts on sworn statements? It's a fantasy that Harry tried to threaten papers that told the truth about the Lilibet story (you do know that ITV and BBC quoted Harry's lawyers letters, right?)?

It's a fantasy that Harry revealed the gist of his private calls with his father to Gayle King and authorized her to threaten his family with more dirt publicly if the didn't "address their concerns"?

It's a fantasy that Meghan and Harry told half a dozen provable lies in the Oprah interview?

It's a fantasy that Jason Knauf contacted BP HR about the treatment being meted out to Sussex staff, especially Samantha Coven, who had worked for the Queen for 17 years?

It's a fantasy that Harry and Meghan are loathed in the UK as their polls show?

Listen, you sack of deluded shit: every one of those points is the rock solid truth and they tell the sane everything they need to know about these two lying, grasping, atatus-obsessed narcissists.

As for hate: sweetie, next to the psychotic shit the Squad prints about the Cambridges, this stuff is a nursery rhyme.

And I'll ask for the umpteenth time: as you're so concerned with hate, where were you when one of your Meghan worshipping club became the subject of a police action for threatening to stab a Telegraph journalist and her 3 children to death . . . For criticising Meghan?

You and your club are so detached from reality where Meghan is concerned, it's comical.

^*Samantha Cohen

I wonder how much longer until the inevitable divorce.

R400 is the exact kind of deluded and bizarre post that I was referencing, so thanks for providing an example. You sound like you need serious mental help.

R400 post is neither bizarre nor deluded. It's full of facts. Although, I can understand why facts would send you into a tailspin. You sussex psychos don't do too well with facts. You guys are the new Trump followers. Refusing to see, in your blind worship, that your idols have actual flaws.

And of course you ignore the Tominey question.

The anonymity of this forum permits people to come here whose behavior has gotten them thrown off other sites, and to make posts that they would never want associated with their real names. I understand why this forum’s anonymity is important, especially in the larger context of gay culture, but the people who show up to post psychotic things in the royal threads are abusing that. Mostly I’d like to point out to them that this site isn’t some safe space for hate posts about anyone—gossip and cattiness, yes, all in good fun, but the things some people post in the royal threads are way over the line into very dark stuff. I don’t think it’s right to let people feel comfortable engaging in that behavior.

Wonder if they had a yard sale at Montishitto to come up for some cash for Sunshine to send in a few posters, sue smells like it.

For inquiring minds: Do you get paid by the word or by the hour?

Or, if you're just stans..Whew. Hitched you wagon to the wrong star again. Were you a Chrissy Cheerleader too?

Why can’t the people protect them?

Sussexes pay in boxes of vegetables, not cash.

They may want to move to NY, or elsewhere, but they certainly won't go without some kind of face-saving gig lined up, hence their bizarro trip to NY in September. Not like they are going to admit that California didn't quite work out. I suppose they could always claim they are moving the headquarters of Archewell. Or maybe BFF Gayle will have the Duchess on as a very special correspondent.

Snort.

R397, There are people obsessed with the Sussexes who post on different websites. This includes the annoying Klan Granny Troll as well as their "haters". I wonder how many are actual subscribers to DL? Admittedly the Sussexes are entertaining in all their narcissism and delusions of grandeur, but agree there are too many threads on them. I enjoyed the Dangling Tendrils and BRF threads and wonder why we can't consolidate threads? Count me as someone else who has enjoyed Della's posts on Meghan Markle. I haven't seen her comments on other topics, and fail to see the humor in a boat fire with casualties.

R397 & R405, is that you, Della, posting anonymously? Still trying to hall monitor after another poster rightfully reamed your ass for your hypocrisy?

For those that don't know, Della has been frequenting the Harry & Meghan threads since the Dangling Tendrils days and is a Sussex apologist. Notice she castigates anyone who criticizes them as a "hater" but voices no concern about the klan granny troll who calls everyone a racist. Hell, maybe KGT is another one of her personalities?

Go over to Celebitchy if you want to fawn over these two nimrods. Harry and Meghan made their own bed. You can't blame everyone rlse for having eyes and ears to witness their buffoonery. Derision and mockery is not "very dark stuff", just painful to someone who picked the wrong horse.

R403 I'd be delusional if I'd made up those points. But I didn't.

And I note you haven't a single response to them, including Camila Tomibey case, which was publicly discussed by her paper as well as others.

You never respond to the actual points. You just call whoever reminds you that they are a matter of public record delusional.

Next, you'll be assuring us that the earth is flat, too.

^*Tominey

Okay, enough paying attention to the SS troll. Let's just ignore it, shall we?

Yeah, think Della is masquerading herself as other posters in her own defense.

She’s reminiscent of Markle: comes across as a smug, selfish woman (per her own admission) completely clueless to her hypocrisy and finger-wagging support of a like-minded pal.

Her posts are low on perception and heavy with arrogant-ladled snark. She plays victim and flounces off when posters fail to acknowledge them. But hands out “smooches” as if she were deigning to bestow some munificence on lowly peasants.

Side-eye those posters that recognize her as “interesting and reasonable” as many of the truly cognizant posters who dare to call out her heavy-handed obtuseness and absolute BS are usually heavily upvoted.

Unlike ElderLez, ElderSage, SylviaFowler or rescue-chick, she has failed to bring anything to DL that is insightful, kind or intelligent.

This is derailing, so will return to the topic at hand.

Haz’s recent play for security has turned off many. Also, there apparently have been a handful of calls to KP for money, which were promptly redirected to CH.

R388 and others are correct. The media and DL have predicted many things.

DM was this first to break a deluge of Meghan issues with it's "Hurricane Meghan" & "What Meghan Wants, Meghan Gets" articles:

-Tiarragate -

-Making Kate cry

-The Queen wondering why Meghan would wear such a white dress for being a divorcee

-MelissaGate - The assistant who quite after 6 months around the Australia tour that received a payoff and an unprecedented glowing recommendation from the Palace

-Meghan taking photos of Charlotte at their first informal dinner at the Cambridges Amner Hall

-Th diary that she kept to record everything that was happening

This was all before Megxit so she must have been ruffling a lot of feathers b/c these stories came fast and hard. They were denied in the beginning but after Oprah almost all of these have been substantiated by the Palace or royal sources.

For all the Klan Granny screamers, instead of denying Meghan's fuck ups, ask why she couldn't have used some of her determination to carve out a useful role in the family. She was blowjob girl in 90210, so I'm sure she's received worse and more degrading treatment as a nobody actress in Hollywood than she would by the Royals.

R403 - Here you are, dear. Tell us again who is "delusional"? And you're blocked.

And I will put up the links to the other stories you pretend in your little bubble never happened: the forced apology to the court for "forgetting" about a crucial string of emails proving that she and Harry colluded with Scobie on his trashy book, the Gayle King threats to the BRF on Harry's part after he gave her the info about calls with his father and brother, the emails by Jason Knauf to BP PR about the shameful treatment of Sussex staff . . . oh, I don't mind putting them up. People like you need to be called out for your paid lies.

All publicly printed in news media.

Harry and Meghan leak details of private conversations with father and brother through Gayle King.

Meghan apologises to court for, er, "forgetting" crucial string of emails in court papers . . .

Knauf's email to HR BP (oh by the way, this is the TIMES, not the Mail, SUN, or MIRROR)

Just keep reposting the same old tripe you always do, maybe that will help you forget that people think you’re crazy. I suspect those who know you have learned by now how to politely shift the subject when you start on one of your rants.

and these crazy cunts wonder why they want their own security detail!

I'm too lazy to put the Della Obsessive(s) on ignore to see how many times it/they has/have posted -- but sheesh, get over it or go start a topical thread so the others whose mental space is occupied by her can start DOA 12 step support group. You can go share your war stories about your entanglements with her there and leave the rest of us to happily engage in our royal-related snark.

R422 - Nice try, honey, but we all know and you know that that shit is all real. You have nothing up your sleeve but playground insults.

And if you are Della, you need some serious reality help.

[quote] and these crazy cunts wonder why they want their own security detail!

Once again, missed the point entirely, R423.

They. Have. Their. Own. Security. Detail.

Got it?

They just want Taxpayer Funded Security Detail.

stop ww your own posts.

granny liked the dildo...

I'm wondering if this isn't a ploy to get his status as an "Internationally Protected Person" back. IPPs cover heads of state, heads of government, government ministers, ambassadors, reigning royal families. IPPs are protected by police in every country they visit and paid for by local taxpayers. Harry originally had that in Canada but lost it when Canadians railed against the freebie as he isn't a working member of the royal family. If Harry regained his IPP status, the police in his home country - the US - would have to be paid for by the taxpayer.

Also, IPP status would confer tax privileges. Ambassadors don't pay taxes in the country they live in - look at all the complaints in NYC about UN ambassadors getting free security, paying no taxes, don't have to pay their parking fines.

Maybe this is Harry's last ditch attempt not to pay taxes in California.

Yes, well, let's get back to the subject at hand. I've blocked the Flat Earther but I have no problem taking some extra time to put the public record out there. It only makes her look worse as she keeps calling it crazy when it was global headlines.

Back to this move by Harry, I think this is a telling crossroads for all those involved. Harry knows he can't "pay" for Scotland Yard protection because it's not for sale or lease.

What he does know is that if he loses this (and I suspect he thinks he will), he can declare that he can never visit the UK again, and he has a permanent cover for the fact that he and Meghan have burnt all their bridges to the UK and to his family, but they can blame "security" concerns.

If he's told to fuck off by the government and the judiciary, he wins on one count; if by some chance they give him what he wants, he's forced them all to cross a line that pretty much reestablishes him as a Person of Importance, and sets a precedent for the POIs to demand the same things, and wins on another count.

So this case represents a do or die moment in the relationship between Harry and the monarchy and the UK - a refusal to treat him like a POI makes clear to the world how UNimportant he is and how outside the magical royal circle he is. And that, I think, will represent something of a final acknowledgement. It's over.

But if they cave, the judiciary and the Met and the Yard and the monarchy will face furious taxpayers, the contempt of the public, cries of Unfair Privilege.

I really do think that this represents a crossroads for the whole show.

I wouldn't give you a farthing for the future of the government or the monarchy if this goes Harry's way.

[quote]The anonymity of this forum permits people to come here whose behavior has gotten them thrown off other sites

That's been the case for 20 years. The Prancing Ponies came here because they didn't have anywhere else to post after getting kicked off forums and boards in the pre-social media era.

Over the years some of these obsessives have gotten so bad that topics occasionally became forbidden, like soap operas or Twilight.

Anyone who says that the Meghan-hating obsessives don't come here BECAUSE it's anonymous is either clueless or lying. Of course that's why they're here. Much of what they say here would get them relentlessly dunked on or banned over on places like Twitter.

R426 - Someone had to tell her.

Bingo, R428.

Think this is Harry’s veiled ploy to obtain IPP status.

IPP status would allow them to save much money.

R430 - The Meghan Worshippers also come here to spread their shit over Kate, especially, and insist that anything bad that anyone says about Meghan is a racist.

Harry's the epitome of bi.

So Harry wants himself declared a permanent emissary for the government of the UK? Because that's what would have to happen in order to receive IPP status. I imagine IPP status isn't conferred on people who choose to permanently domicile themselves outside of their country of origin for no appreciable, let alone official, diplomatic duty. If true, this is more delusional than expecting to be able to "rent" Met protection officers

I think it's more than just IPP status. Harry is testing the waters. Hollywood was a bomb and I think no matter what they put out, it's going to be met with an eyeroll. The world just sucks too much to listen to these ultra ultra pampered people spout gobbledygook from their mansion. They are no more interesting than any other celeb now.

BUT, the one last shocking thing they could do, more so than even a divorce (which many predict anyway), would be to return to the UK and ask to be working royals again. I do think that would, even briefly, "break the internet" as Meghan has wanted to do all along.

[quote]These two are mentally I'll. They will never stop torturing his family. They're filled with poison.

[quote]It's Harry who won't stop till his brother is dead.

[quote]Harry gets more of his envious vicious rocks off

[quote]Listen, you sack of deluded shit: every one of those points is the rock solid truth

Good god, woman, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[quote]People like you need to be called out for your paid lies.

[quote]I'm sorry to have to inform you media toffs

You really do think you're talking to Meghan's PR people and the press, don't you? And that every crazy thing you say will be reported back to her? My god, that is incredibly messed up.

[quote]And the think about us Klan Grannies is

You actually call yourself a Klan Granny? As in, you are willingly identifying yourself as someone who behaves in the manner of a member of the Ku Klux Klan?

Not a surprise, I suppose:

[quote]Meghan for what she is: a woman who was never interested in being black if she could help it. Hence the white friends, white husbands, white sorority, straight hair obsession, white kids.

[quote]Its Meghan who's walking around in the white sheets, honey.

[quote]she hates being black.

exactly, run the cunts off.

check your meds, toots!

Here’s how the pattern of delusion seems to play out here:

- Harry and Meghan do something obnoxious but fairly mild in the scheme of things

- Delusional poster 1: how DARE they, they should be drawn and quartered because of TREASON against Catherine!

- Delusional poster 2: This is all just a ploy for their secret plan to turn California into its own nation which they’ll rule!

- Delusional poster 3: Wow, I can’t believe they are trying to rule California! They will definitely lose their titles for this!!!! And it’s TREASON!

- Titles troll: [explains why this isn’t a correct statement about titles]

- Delusional poster 4: Someone needs to make a post that Harry and Meghan are trying to break apart the US and establish an independent kingdom, everyone must know this.

- typical DL poster: What are you all talking about? All the DM said was that they wanted to move neighborhoods.

- Delusional poster 5: THE SS INTERNS ARE HERE!

[quote] BUT, the one last shocking thing they could do, more so than even a divorce (which many predict anyway), would be to return to the UK and ask to be working royals again.

This would actually be best for everyone involved, but there are a lot of huge egos standing in the way. It would get Charles’s plans for a slimmed down monarchy back, probably limit what Harry would disclose in his book, be good press for Kate and William if they could take credit for mending fences, and ease some stress for the Queen.

Klan Granny here, but not THE Klan Granny. I'll accept the title because anyone who has anything to say about Meghan is a Klan Granny on these threads, so there is no choice really. What I will say is that I wasn't always the "klan granny" that I am now. I was elated when Meghan and Harry got engaged. As an Angeleno, I was so excited to see a hometown bi-racial girl join the royals, watched the wedding, and was so excited to see what they've done. Meghan blew a golden, golden opportunity to really make the change that she wanted to enact. I remember seeing children of all races look up to the American Pricess and I thought her family were crazy. It turns out they and everyone else had Meghan's number. She threw everyone under the bus on her way up, and I hate myself for even defending this bitch, but even her bridesmaid Jessica Mulroney. I don't care for her, but had this women not taken Meghan under her wing and introduced her to the elite/politcal figures in Canada, she would be hustling for her next job after Suits. She has no loyalty whatsoever. I think Doria is more regal than both she and Harry and that's not saying much.

R436 - I'd be very surprised if the BRF weren't aware of this aspect of Harry's ploy.

It was always theorised that TQ was soft on them when they left because she was leaving the "door" open in case they came back reasonably soon.

But they shot themselves in the foot on that score with the Oprah interview, the Dax Shepherd and Apple ones, and then came the Lilibet farce, the bullying investigation, and Meghan's admissions in her court papers that she and Harry DID collude with Scobie and Durand on the book.

I think that was the apex of their ex officio fame and glory, although they thought it was the beginning of their glorious climb. Unfortunately, the concurrence with Philip's death and funeral, the almost immediate exposure of the lies they told on Oprah, and the rest of the sorry arse shit that came out, ensured that afterward they were on their way down.

They cannot possibly suppose that William would let them anywhere near the front door; or, that the British public would accept it.

So if that's one of Harry's fantasies here, he really should be in treatment.

Okay, so I guess I'm Delusional Poster #5 because I came to say that it's so obvious when the SS intern starts his shift. I mean, I respect a working bitch and every girl has to earn a living but try to be less obvious, maybe?

R43 8 - Not good at irony, are you?

R441 we tend to forget that the person who is suffering the most from Harry and Meghan's non-stop temper tantrums is the Queen they claim to love. The woman's 95, was seriously ill, just lost her husband, has her favorite son made a non-person and she has to cope with a couple of spoiled brats acting like psychopaths.

Didn’t the Queen allocate a two-year period for Harry and Meghan to try their approach, and then said the family would revisit things after it runs? That would be next month, I think.

[quote] This would actually be best for everyone involved, but there are a lot of huge egos standing in the way. It would get Charles’s plans for a slimmed down monarchy back, probably limit what Harry would disclose in his book, be good press for Kate and William if they could take credit for mending fences, and ease some stress for the Queen.

But would it be best for the UK? This isn’t about the monarchy. It is about the populace and government.

Markle and Harry have trashed the country: calling it racist, unsafe, deluded and treated other human beings so poorly it is almost irredeemable.

Should British taxpayers be required to - literally - support such divisive characters when they were not elected: only granted their opportunities via lucky chance of birth and marriage?

Me thinks not.

Basically, Harry and Meghan's sole motivation is jealousy. He's jealous as hell of his brother and she's jealous as hell of his brother's wife. Jealousy is uncontrollable and unreasonable. Like them.

[quote] ...and then came the Lilibet farce

I think The Queen has a high tolerance for bullshit and she really tolerated more than most would from H & M, but I think Lilibet was the straw that broke the camel's back. This also came right after Phillips death. I think they were dead to The Queen after that, out of all the things, but I get it. Beyond disrespectful. Elizabeth Diana, fine, Lilibet, you've just fucked yourself.

Trying to get back Harry's IPP status so he doesn't have to pay security or taxes seems to me the most likely motivation for their latest nervous breakdown.

They must be broke. They've produced no content for Spotify or Netflix. And they're fast moving past their sell-by date.

What happened in Sweden is something to remember.

R440 - Here's how things work around here:

1 - Harry throws his family, whose head is Britain's Head of State, and whose father and brother are the next two Heads of State, under the bus on an internationally broadcast television show, and when half of what they said turn out to be either lies or misdirected, Meghan's stans still believe whatever she says.

2 - Meghan is caught lying on sworn statements submitted to a British court. This is called "perjury" and is a felony. R440 thinks this is a "fairly mild" bit of obnoxiousness.

3 - Harry threatens ITV, the BBC. and the TIMES for printing the truth about his (nonexistent) exchanges with the Queen about using her intimate family nickname for his daughter. The Palace makes it clear Harry WAS lying. Legal threats disappear.

4 - The TIMES prints an excerpt from Robert Lacey's book detailing the Fiji Market event, for which their are literally dozens of witnesses. Meghan files a press complaint against the TIMES for running the excerpt - press complaint dies. That is to say, Meghan makes it clear that she's ready to sue the press every time it says something about her she doesn't like - even if it's true. Well, press supression: that's a pretty mild bit, innnit?

5 - Harry and Meghan insist to the public and the royal family that they had NOTHING whatever to do with Scobie's book. Later, it turns out that the two people setting themselves up as crusaders against "misinformation" in the media lied their faces off, eagerly colluded with the book, and Harry is quoted as stating that it is important that the public never know of their involvement. Oh, hey, what's a little dishonesty toward press and public?!

6 - Harry and Meghan accuse the BRF of trying to stifle their "voices" over Philip's health - although, as it happens, everyone in the family knew he was circling the drain - in fact, the public at large had a pretty good idea he was for it, and soon. Then he dies, as expected, and Meghan and Harry recharacterise their incredibly insensitive and dishonest assertion by stating that the timing of the interview was unfortunate but they had no control over it. Oh, hey, what's a little insensitivity toward a 95 year old woman at her dying husband's bedside?!

You see, the truth is, if Meghan were white, or Kate were the ex-royal duchess and pulled the same stunts, people like the Klan Granny Troll and R440 would be bawling for her head to be on a pike over Tower Bridge.

You see, R440, it's not "a few fairly mild if obnoxious" things. It's an accretion of lies, deceit, obvious contempt for the public, and an actual crime, perjury, and a vicious will to damage the people from whom all their fame and wealth derive.

It's hypocrisy, lies, atrocious behaviour toward the Queen who bent over backwards for them, and years of the Palace covering up Harry's messes . . .

When you put all the pieces together, R440, the truth is, it's a really ugly picture.

R441 - It has nothing to do with egos. It has to do with the fact that the Sussexes threw the family under the bus, lied about them, cannot be trusted, and last but not least, the UK public hate them.

It would be rewarding traitors and liars, and forcing the public to pay for people they despise via the Sovereign Grant.

It will never happen.

If the Sussexes had remotely tried to leave amiably stating that they'd like to explore life outside the royal circle for a couple of years, and spent the time maintaining good relationships with the BRF, they might have had a shot.

But after what they did for the last two years?

No. Not now, not ever.

It's not ego: it's common sense.

As the man said, "You can't go home again."

I was watching the news here in the UK this morning and a lawyer raised an interesting point about Harry trying to sue the British Government. If the court were to rule that Harry is indeed a high target individual due to his status as a member of the British Royal Family (even a non-working one), this would by default likely force the UK government to pay for his security even in the US. Hearing that now, I'm guessing that this is H&M's end game.

Megz is going after the BBC again. She calims their headline that Meghan mislead the court during the Daily Mail court battle is "inaccurate."

They’ve been gone for two years. Why haven’t they been fighting this fight the whole time? What’s changed?

They seem like they’re battling the entire world right now. Filing complaints left and right, threatening to sue everyone; media giants and sovereign governments. I don’t know whether to be impressed or worried for their mental health.

More scoop from Russell Myers: Over Christmas, Charles extended an olive branch to Harry and Meghan to stay with him this summer in the UK. If they stay with Charles they would be provided with security automatically while staying at one of his houses. Harry allegedly agreed but now that's been thrown into question over his latest antics.

[quote] They’ve been gone for two years. Why haven’t they been fighting this fight the whole time? What’s changed?

They’ve been maneuvering behind the scenes for this at least since September. It’s theorized the Daily Mail was going to leak this, and they hastily put forth a public statement from their legal team. Likely knew this would not go over well in the public sphere.

Even more than that, what hadn’t gone over well is the California escapade. Sounds as much as if they are draining money at a rate that is difficult to replace with no overt sources of money coming in. 24/7 security costs can be astronomical.

Having taxpayers pay for security would ease financial burdens on their part.

But if Charles made that offer over Christmas, it would have been AFTER Harry raised the objection—it was leaked this week, but dated four months ago. So maybe that was Charles’s solution to resolve the problem.

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^ Wooton

Can the Brits classify people like Harry and Meghan as frivolous litigants like Trump?

How are they affording all this legal help?

^ It's Wootton bloody auto correct.

R459 GAH, I actually feel bad for Charles (thanks Harry!). It's clear he is trying to patch up his relationship with his son. I honestly think Meghan does not want to ever return to the UK, and basically she's manipulating Harry into getting her way. But as R461 says Harry filed this in September so Charles is probably trying to find a middle ground. Daily Mail clearly leaked this as pay back for losing the court case with Meghan knowing it would further damage the couple's public image in the UK.

Russel Myers is a very a good source. He's close to William and he goes to all of Charle's events/press tours. I think Charle's is desperate to at least have a relationship with Harry, but Myers has also reported that he is dead to Camilla.

Well that's the thing r459, about this whole hullabaloo. I can understand if Harry is concerned about security issues for himself (and/or his wife) at public events, those that the press, media and general public are aware of and can attend or gather about openly. The Sussexes aren't very popular and while the general national feeling toward them is indifference, there are always some crazies in the mix.

What is not understandable is why he'd need Met protection when visiting his UK family in a private capacity, at their well-guarded and protected private estates and homes. That's just offensive, and total overkill. Fly into the UK privately, take private transport out to Sandringham or up to Balmoral, spend your quality family time, the leave the same way you came in. No one would know you'd been there until you'd left.

[quote]I'll accept the title because anyone who has anything to say about Meghan is a Klan Granny on these threads

I haven't seen the guy who uses the term "Klan Grannies" ever say it to a specific individual unless there was a reason to.

The other guy who calls everyone a Klan Granny, Boris, etc. and has a list of authenticated users he swears are all the same person is another matter altogether. They're two different people.

I'm not saying anyone has to be offended by being called a Klan Granny, it would seem perfectly normal to shrug it off, but it doesn't seem normal to embrace the term, not even out of spite. And I absolutely question the motivation of someone who sits on one thread for hours screaming "look you fucking piece of shit" and "Meghan wears white sheets because she hates being black" and "you're all paid SS employees out to get me" also happily calling themselves a Klan Granny.

You and the rest of you guys have to know that a lot of your Meghan-and-Harry-hating friends on here sound really crazy, with the constant obscene and threatening language, the paranoid accusations, the over-the-top racism. You know that, right?

Did Charles offer the Whinge and the Ginge use of Highgrove House, the home with Charles and Camilla’s panic room?

That should help allay the ingrate’s security concerns.

[quote]Charle's

Oh, come on now.

Between paying their publicist to run a troll farm on their behalf on every social media platform and lawyers for all their never-ending string of lawsuits, that's where all their money is going. That and on California state and property taxes. They need to spend less on publicity and lawyers and more on an accountant.

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I hear you R470. It just gets annoying with KG constantly but to quote Meghan's modus operandi that she often says, "you are damned if you do, damned if you don't"

[quote] I hear you [R470]. It just gets annoying with KG constantly but to quote Meghan's modus operandi that she often says, "you are damned if you do, damned if you don't"

You and R470 are delusional if you think Meghan Markle is any sort of victim.

The crazy thing is that Amal Rajan podcast was pro-Sussex and discussed the poor behavior of the media towards Meghan and how the BRF participated. And then she files a complaint over semantics on whether she misled the court? Take note Sussex fans, Meghan could come on here and see your defense of her and still criticize you for saying something in a way she didn't appreciate. She has no loyalty to anyone, no self-awareness or tact, just impulsive socio-narcissism.

Charles is such a spineless wimp. Harry & Meghan's mouthpiece, Omid, is going after Camilla today. At what point does Charles give up on the son he spoiled into ruination in favor of his wife and his other son who's held the line.

Is Omid Scoobie even working for any press anymore? The British Media has stopped using him entirely.

Scoobie is Meghan's spokesperson. He knows jack shit about the royal family.

[quote] Take note Sussex fans, Meghan could come on here and see your defense of her and still criticize you for saying something in a way she didn't appreciate. She has no loyalty to anyone, no self-awareness or tact, just impulsive socio-narcissism.

Reminiscent of another individual who demands cult-like attention and subservience.

I myself would be more likely to join the BRF in a part time working role. Royals: kick rocks Sussex

There isn’t one flaw you can ascribe to Meghan that isn’t also true of every member of the BRF, and every poster on DL. But when she exhibits those traits it is a Human Rights violation and a War Crimes tribunal gets summoned by the Klan Grannies.

[QUOTE] R464 Can the Brits classify people like Harry and Meghan as frivolous litigants like Trump?

They are called [BOLD] Vexatious litigants [/BOLD] in the UK and are banned from starting legal proceedings without permission, they also have their names published on The Ministry of Justice’s government website.

[quote] There isn’t one flaw you can ascribe to Meghan that isn’t also true of every member of the BRF, and every poster on DL.

Disagree.

Many DLers are likely NOT narcissistic sociopaths who have alienated families, in-laws, celebrities, co-workers, subordinates, and entire populations.

You are just spewing rubbish, R483. You cannot defend Markle’s lies and innumerable documented acts of shoddy behavior to many persons.

Instead you attack. This is Markle’s Modus Operandi.

R483 - you think the Queen is a delusional, selfish, paranoid narcissist???

Is anyone seeing two threads for this subject or am I just going looney?

It’s difficult to imagine that anyone in the BRF would consider bringing the Harkles back on board. Harry and Meghan are both malicious; without a scintilla of loyalty or integrity between them.

I, like many others here, believe they’re in financial distress. They are desperate and that’s never a good place to exist, especially for less than ‘nice’ people that these 2 appear to be.

How many brides with supposed untreated mental illness does the BRF have to go through before people start realizing the brides may not be the problem?

[quote] There isn’t one flaw you can ascribe to Meghan that isn’t also true of every member of the BRF, and every poster on DL. But when she exhibits those traits it is a Human Rights violation and a War Crimes tribunal gets summoned by the Klan Grannies.

She's an American D-List actress and that is one thing you cannot say about any BRF member!

Didn't Harry receive a hefty advance for his book? Surely they couldn't have run through that already?

[quote] Never complain, never explain.

If this is really how the royal family operates, then the Oprah interview was the end for Harry. They should have stayed with Charles when they invited him.

Also, "never shine daylight on the magic". Another thing torpedoed in the Oprah interview. This is why everyone wants to BRF tea.

R490 So her job and country of origin is the problem and yet Glorious monarch Liz blessed the union. Interesting.

It's b/c she is bi-racial, R494. Had she had the same qualities and been a big titted blond, she would have been out of there. Ironically, it's probably her one drop that got her through the door.

Who said MM is mentally ill, r489?

I believe sociopath and narcissist have been bandied about quite often on these threads. See R483 for the most recent.

Re: the book deal

"Now, royal correspondent Rebecca English reports that publishing insiders say the deal isn't just for Harry's memoir, but for a series of four books, one of which sources say won't be published until after the Queen's death and another that will be penned by Meghan.

"The source also claimed that Harry negotiated the deal himself from his and Meghan's home in California and that the couple could earn as much as $40 million from the arrangement.

"He conducted negotiations—he had a very 'take it or leave it' attitude," the source claimed. "His starting price was $25 million and the final figure was way north of that, possibly as much as $35-40 million. Those involved were actually very shocked by his approach, which was to look at them coldly and state his demands."

R497, pathological does not always equate to mentally ill.

Ergo, all murders, rapists, serial killers, etc. are not let off and institutionalized in hospitals rather than prisons.

If that were the criteria, there’d be no use for jails or prisons.

R425 is as far diseased, or worse, as it presumes Della to be.

If you can't imagine a Della Obsessives Anonymous 12 step thread, just for you and your peers to engage in your issues with ONE CERTAIN POSTER, why don't you go the fuck away and entice her into a "dark alley" thread and pummel away there and leave the rest of us the alone in peace?

You folk(s) are just as pathetic and "LOOK AT ME!" as much as Della is. She revels in her "enlightened" sanctimony of being in a 12 Step program for alcoholics, despite its crux being "Anonymous" for a reason. And yet, here she is being superior and declarative. So, please take her, her issues, and yours to another thread that bears no pertinence on Royal Security.

So Meghan may not be mentally Ill just a pathological criminal?

I can’t help but thank that things would go a lot smoother for everyone if they just give these two kids what they want.

R502 tsk, tsk.... spare the rod and spoil the child

R502 You never negotiate with terrorists.

I believe Meghan displays some classic signs of a Cluster B personality disorder. I also believe the British royal family AND the paternal side of Meghan's own family are both very dysfunctional. It's not necessary to think the BRF a perfect and flawless group of humans if one dislikes Markle, nor the opposite.

I will say that Meghan and Harry's tendency to make their business public is one difference with the BRF - it's why this whole situation is so entertaining. That Oprah interview was amazing gossip fodder, you have to admit.

[quote] I can’t help but thank that things would go a lot smoother for everyone if they just give these two kids what they want.

Welp. That does it then. Give them everything. Hell, give them the Queen’s role!

R502 is the Neville Chamberlain of the current UK! Just. Give. Them. What. They. Want! (Which equates to it all).

[Hint:Look how well that worked out for the UK and Chamberlain. History does repeat itself.]

Sure Juan

R489 And when will these brides with visions of sugar plum princess dancing in their heads realize that if you can’t stand the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen?

R502 Then that means 6 (plus, plus) people are going to have to get the hell out of the way.

Now they’re terrorists. I’m guessing you’ve never had a healthy relationship in your life.

It’s a metaphor, dumbass. You must be autistic or something.

Oh, a metaphor like calling black people monkeys or homosexuals child molesters.

Not the poster you are replying to, R510, but you gotta admit the couple uses threats in the form of lawsuits, trash-talk and PR-clap-backs with misinformation. It seems rather blackmail-ish-like.

They also seem vengeful and unhappy.

They are like some tv parody of a tinpot dictator couple.

In days of yore, they might be in the London Tower rather than in SoCal.

R456 It's delightful to see Rajan hoist with his own petard.

Technically, it's true. But practically speaking, everyone knows she lied hoping to cover up her and Harry's involvement in the Scobie book.

It's like saying you forgot that you had sex before getting up the duff.

Harry is boring, outside of whatever inside info he has about the royal family. He is dumb and has no insight. His books will be interesting for bullet information, only.

I recommend the Klan Grannies start preparing themselves now for Harry’s book to be a success—not because of him but because his ghostwriter is excellent, and will make the book very moving.

[quote] Technically, it's true. But practically speaking, everyone knows she lied hoping to cover up her and Harry's involvement in the Scobie book.

[quote] It's like saying you forgot that you had sex before getting up the duff.

Great METAPHOR, R514.

R516 sucks Klan Granny dick

R459 The story makes no mention of a summer visit, only "the next time they visit the UK". And, then there's that vague little term "it is understood".

In fact, it's probably exactly the sort of private visit the Sussexes don't want.

They want big photo ops. They don't want a nice cosy private visit where they have to sit around and relate to each other and "genetic pain" and "who's the family racist, then?"might come up.

Oh, Gawd, is the demented Megaloon back from Celebitchy?

Tick, tick, tock. Time passing. They have become yesterday's papers, yesterdays news.

Oprah got her Emmy nod on their backs. Cooler heads prevailed, or maybe noses noticed something, so, no Emmy for Oprah. Then so much of what they 'revealed' got Pinocchio noses. Big black eye for Oprah. Gayle now silent as well. So, all we've got is Lawsuits. BORING! Who in the US care about his protection in the UK.? BORING!! This ain't England, kids. The UK populace despise them. Their approval ratings there are in the minus zone. This will plunge them even further in the UK. Here, he makes the baby, entitled, whiny little girl moniker more & more appropriate. Not a good look. Sooo sooo unmanly. Maybe his balls really are in her handbag.

Just saying - they’ve had a lot of flops, but this book isn’t going to be one of them, so start preparing yourselves if that’s going to give you heart palpitations.

Now, if they ever do manage to produce a podcast, I think that is going to crash and burn very quickly. The success of the Netflix show - again, if it ever appears - is going to depend on whether it’s a reality show about them being real at home (will succeed) or about following them making pseudo-royal visits to various charities and telling us where to donate (will not succeed).

But the book is going to sell like hotcakes even if you think they’re yesterday’s news.

^*You mean in that little minaudiere she was carrying with the I'm A Tomato gown at the Intrepid event in New York?

Sounds about right.

Really? How will did Scooby Doo & Meghan's book sell? How soon will people be buying books when the lies are being leaked on the regular & the drip drip will increase to a deluge as time wears on.

People will read the juicy excerpts online and not buy the book.

If Meghan was the one writing the book, they would have a major problem. But Harry is the royal, and Diana’s son, which still carries a lot of juice in the US. Even Diana mediated her story through Andrew Morton. When’s the last time a member of the British royal family wrote a memoir - have they ever? People will want to know everything, even the mundane, like what’s served for dinner with the Queen.

[quote] Just saying - they’ve had a lot of flops, but this book isn’t going to be one of them, so start preparing yourselves if that’s going to give you heart palpitations.

If there are palpitations to be had, it will be found in lawyers, the BRF, and The Harkles. No matter the prowess of their ghostwriter, the book cannot be published with obvious lies - which is the calling card of the duo. So expect the publisher, lawyers and all family members to go at it.

The rest of us here will be eating popcorn and drinking wine. Loads of 🍷

It will wind up on the NYT bestsellers list as a result of bulk buys at NYT reporting stores. That’s how RFK Jr.’s hatchet job The Real Anthony Fauci landed there.

The book may be of no benefit to Harry, though. The ghostwriter works for the publisher, not the subject. Harry is a damaged person. Any ghostwriter with some bit of journalistic integrity will have to present aspect of Harry.

Now, will Harry sign off on that portrayal? Will he have any choice if it is a question of returing the $$$?

If that’s how it gets there, it’ll have a dagger beside it and you’ll be able to tell. You can come back and tell me I’m wrong when it debuts. But it’s going to sell like crazy.

Not all of them have the dagger sign R530, even though they are supposed to.

[quote] RFK Jr.’s hatchet job The Real Anthony Fauci

For me, RFK Jr. is the most disappointing heir currently going :-(

Harry is not a revered figure. People will not want to support him (aside from the ever-diminishing fandom or even the “indifferents” who seem to be surprisingly affronted by his most recent demand.)

Agree with the other posters that the vast majority will read leaks and online press highlights.

And of course, the sales will be artificially inflated for the NYT. Meghan’s “ ‘lone” trash book demonstrated this.

Also, how much does Harry have to share about the royal family? You'd think a lot given who he is, but he's never given the impression of being very interested nor observant of others.

Something for you $u$$ex lovers to look forward to.

I think the luck for him is there is a much bigger pool of people who’ll want to read about his childhood, for two reasons—(1) Diana lovers, whose likely demographic (older women) is a big part of the book market, and (2) people who are just curious about what it’s like to grow up in the lap of luxury. Harry can share details about these things, his struggles with mental illness or war experience, and probably some long chapters about Meghan’s cooking and nice vacations, that won’t necessarily harm or piss off the family too much. And maybe he’ll take that approach and leave a shard of the bridge unburned.

But then there’s also people who want the salacious details about drama within the family. These are the people who will happily read summaries in the Daily Mail. I still think it’s unclear how much Harry is going to share here, and I think it’s likely that if he does, he will focus on his Dad and try to leave out his grandmother, Kate, and maybe even the Yorks (if he’s still close with Eugenie). If he burns anyone it will be Charles.

Coming this fall from bestselling author James Patterson.

I doubt Harry got a huge advance for long descriptions of various homes, expensive cars, and tales about his romance with Megsie.

James Patterson?! Tina Brown, ok, but James Patterson?!

Thank you for the information, Harkle book PR. We heard you the fourth time.

Tom Bower is writing a book about Markle. He usually writes about subjects that “have something to hide”. The book is slated to come out this year.

He wrote about Charles. [quote] The critic Craig Brown, in The Mail on Sunday, quoted the entries in the index under Charles’s character in their entirety: “refusal to accept blame; self-doubt; disloyalty; victims of; dislike of criticism/dissenting views; scapegoats; self-pity; intolerance/bad temper; sense of superiority; grudges; selfishness; resentment of Diana; derogatory comments about Diana; on himself; discourteousness.” As Brown noted, not a single positive characteristic got a look-in.

I would bet Tina Brown’s forthcoming book will be the most accurate.

Tina Brown is writing a book?? She was pretty hard on Diana which didn't please the Dianaholics.

Well, if it doesn’t come from Archewell, it’s MISINFORMATION.

So they need to clarify that Scobie-Doo IS Archwell because he's the one spilling the most tea.

Yes - “The Palace Papers: Inside the House of Windsor—the Truth and the Turmoil, set for publication on April 12, 2022, follows the British royals in the aftermath of Diana's tragic death, up through Prince Harry and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex's exit from their royal roles.”

Should be dishy.

With all these books coming out, the Klan Granny Accuser trolls are going to very busy girls trying to defend the honor of Nutmeg and the Ginger.

They should start preparing themselves now.

Whichever writer/biographer gets interviews with first husband, Trevor, or any of his friends who can speak to Markle's true character, will win the game, set, and match.

I highly doubt it will be the ex, Trevor, who has never spoken publicly, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's given tacit approval for mutual friends from the period to discuss Rachel/Meghan and her vicissitudes. He's too much of a gentleman to say it.

Does anyone else remember a video clip of Trevor and his friends during his bachelor weekend? He and his friends were sitting in a restaurant patio - the friends chuckled about "the ex" and razzed her, as Trevor kind of pulled back and made no effort to stop it. I have no doubt if Bowers tracks down those guys, he's going to hear interesting material -- material that he and his researchers will need to independently verify. And if they can...

I read the Andre Agassi book by Harry’s co-author. Based on that, I expect Harry’s book will have a tone of here I was, one of the most famous young people in the world, and yet the pressures and burden on me were just too much. Here is how I questioned the whole thing and found myself. I can practically picture the front cover: a straight-on close-up of Harry’s face looking raw and vulnerable. It’ll be a good read that you can take or leave with a grain of salt. I’ll get it from the library at some point.

Trevor is the one I would want to dish with more than anyone else.

The Queen is playing hard ball...no Jubilee medals for Harry Or Andy.

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Harry's book will likely be a financial success but I doubt it will change people's minds at this point. People who love him will love him more thinking he is a saint, and people who hate him will hate him more thinking he's a prat. The book would have been more shocking and perhaps brand successful for them if they had not given that Oprah interview.

R541 so Harry definitely takes after dear old dad.

Trevor is better off not speaking. His new wife is the daughter of a very very wealthy man and the best revenge is living well. Why step back in to this clusterfuck?

The Oprah interview was totally stupid and showed Markle runs the show and she's dumb as a post. Trying to suck up to Oprah, she ended up giving away for free any gossip she might have ultimately sold. And she told a bunch of totally gratuitous lies that were easily discounted and destroyed her credibility.

I can understand lying to hide a painful truth but the bullshit about getting married 3 days early and not being allowed to leave her prison when she had so many trips abroad - mostly vacations - during the year she was in the royal family. Why? She must be a borderline.

Yes, Trevor is doing just fine. I would love to hear his knowing and no doubt cynical take on Meghan’s antics.

I loved that Andre Agassi book, that’s why I’m so convinced Harry’s will do well. I actually wonder a little whether that ghostwriter wrote Keith Richards’s book too…

I've often thought the smartest thing Meghan could've done would be to break up with Harry before he proposed. She would've gotten the massive PR boost from being The One Who Got Away, but never have had to deal with the gilded cage of being in the BRF.

R558 no money came with that and maybe it would have helped her career and maybe not

I know it’s not what happened here, but I could see a different American Catholic girl who met and fell in love with Harry having a very tough time deciding whether she wanted to convert and take part in a monarchical system, even with all the privileges that come with it. It sounds like both Harry and William had their share of dating women who didn’t want or need the spotlight that comes with their family. I do feel for both the boys who didn’t get to have a choice.

Thank you, r552. I didn't even bother to search, thinking it was an obscure clip on Tumblr or some such. If it was featured in the DM, I'd bet dollars to donuts those guys (and others connected) have been interviewed already.

Trevor is living a contented life somewhere with his heiress wife, a new kid, and blissful anonymity.

I totally agree with the posters upthread about the Oprah interview. That was one of their biggest missteps to date.

[quote] Whichever writer/biographer gets interviews with first husband, Trevor, or any of his friends who can speak to Markle's true character, will win the game, set, and match.

You know who IS available, though.

Oprah Interview.

What are you guys talking about? Oprah was one of the few guests that Meghan had at the wedding. Oprah was a friend, an investigative journalist. How did these 2 end up in Montecito? Oprah.

That was a softball interview. Who else was going to handle Meghan and Harry that gently, be so sympathetic and indignant?

Trevor or Cory who she unceremoniously dumped (and reportedly cheated on both).

Now both men are happily ensconced in relationships with children.

Then there is her best friend, Ninaki Priddy who was also unceremoniously ghosted after Megs moved on to Suits. Ninaki tried to warn folks with a pre-wedding interview, but many chalked it up to sour grapes.

Then there is Gina Crowne-Thorpe(?): the PR agent Megs dumped for Haz. Supposedly, Megs ghosted her and subsequently encountered her on royal engagements. Haz spoke to Gina on these, but Megs ignored her or had her removed from the premises.

Word on the street is that Bower’s book may be delayed until later in the year because he was contacted by so many that had something to say.

[quote] Oprah was a friend, an investigative journalist.

I meant: NOT an investigative journalist.

They promised me there would be bread.

Oprah basically screwed them over to get attention. They screwed up their relations with the royal family and the Obamas after that. Oprah had never met them before she and Gayle King got surprise invitations to their wedding - like the Clooneys did. They were token A listers to make it look like Meghan circulated in higher-powered social circles than she did.

I’ve never been much of a Reese Witherspoon fan but total respect for the fact that she declined an invitation to the Harkles’ wedding as she didn’t know either of them.

So Meghan filed a complaint with the BBC over the phrase “admitted to misleading the court” in an otherwise very flattering story. Today the Daily Mail, in the article discussing Scobie’s comparisons of Harry and Andrew, uses the exact same phrase:

Harry and Meghan's former communications secretary, gave information to Mr Scobie and Ms Durand – leading to Meghan apologising for misleading the court about whether he had done so.

Looks like the DM is ready for Round 2. Will she go for it?

The reason the royals never attack the tabloids - never complain, never explain - is because they know the tabloids will never stop harassing them. Meghan and Harry are dumbshits.

[Quote]Oprah had never met them before she and Gayle King got surprise invitations to their wedding

I don't know about Gayle who wasn't there, but Oprah had sought a coveted pre-nuptial interview with Meghan, but the palace put a kibosh on the idea, much to the disappointment of both. There was contact of some sort, if not a direct meeting. No accident or surprise she was at the wedding.

R516 Oh, we're all looking forward to Harry's son story.

And given what a flop Scobie's and Meghan's books were, I'm sure it will be a success because if how low the bar was set.

And then Bower's book will come out and blow Harry's bullshit out of the water. . .

And the Jubilee hasn't even started yet.

The big winner will be DATALOUNGE!!!!!!!

Harry Meghan Charles Camilla William Kate Andrew TQ Sophie Edward . . .

The gift that keeps on giving.

[quote] So Meghan filed a complaint with the BBC over the phrase “admitted to misleading the court” in an otherwise very flattering story.

LOL, what the fuck is wrong with this bitch? Is she sort of addicted to litigations?

^*sob story

R574 she's the female Donald Trump... how dare you prolos not kiss her ass?

Shes addicted to googling herself for everything said/written about her on social media/online. They have some two-bit conman on twitter stalking and threatening women who even hint at not being pro-M.

I think to put this into perspective we should remember that Harry and Meghan have both admitted on national television that they struggle with mental health problems. So when you ask, "what's wrong with this bitch?" she has already let us know that she suffers from severe depression and suicidal ideation, which cause a mess of other symptoms and issues, such as insuritues that create extreme sensitivity to criticism. So, yeah. You can't really expect them to make mature, appropriate healthy decisions and actions, not being able to do so is the definition of mental unwellness.

It's funny how they claim to be opposed to social media whereas you can be sure Meghan spends her days name-searching herself on every conceivable gossip forum.

*insecurities not insuritues.

Anyway, we're literally picking on mentally unhealthy people and then laughing at them when they act out their mental unwellness. It's like kicking crutches out from a cripple.

Not all bad behavior can be attributed to mental illness. Some people are just shitty human beings.

I don't believe she was suicidal. Hell, the way she described it was so manipulative.

I'd be more inclined to believe her if she said "I couldn't do that to my baby" or "I couldn't imagine never meeting Archie".

But no, she compared herself to Harry losing Diana.

If, as you say, R580, they are so mentally unwell and such poor....poor....VICTIMS who everyone is “kicking crutches out from a cripple”, how is it they have the capacity to launch a myriad of lawsuits, send out numerous PR alerts, promote heavy “misinformation” (aka lies), dox bloggers, reportedly bully subordinates, arrange pap shots, attack family members, accuse societies of being racist and arrange multiple million dollar contracts with people in the entertainment system industry?

Waiting for your response.

I think she loves herself too much to be suicidal.

My approach with Meghan is to use “alleged” when dealing with her bullshit. Alleged miscarriage. Alleged suicidal thoughts. Kate allegedly made her cry. Etc.

She's a borderline and if you've ever known a borderline, there is no pity to be had. They're evil.

Even if she lied about being suicidal and was being manipulative, that's something that a mentally unwell person does. Look at the Oprah from the lens of watching two crazy people who aren't even really aware that their mental illness is devastating their lives. (Which it is. Look at them.) And it's bery sad.

She doesnt get a pass for bad behavior, but she is short a few cards.

R583 You don’t know anything about mental illness. Best if you refrain from talking for this part of the conversation.

Not only did they do the OW interview while Philip was dying, but she then merched a fucking wreathe during the funeral.

If she is a narcissist, pitying her for being mentally unwell is poison. She wants to be smarter and better, not felt sorry for because she's "defective" (how a narc would see it). If the press really wanted to fuck with her, they'd give her the pity she wants not act like she's an equal enemy.

The hall monitor, R588, is back.

No, she thought Harry was a stepping stone to wealthier and more powerful men. She doesn’t want His Royal Simpness.

Harry is grotesque. Shave that beard and you've got the evil kid from A Christmas Story.

If it didn’t come from Archewell it’s misinformation.

Isn’t that what they said?

Why would she have two kids with Harry? Children from someone else do not make a woman more desirable?

Another theory.

OP, are you creating a Pt 2?

Is Netflix even still pretending with those two?

part 2

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