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Lawrence of Arabia (1962)

DL loves classic movies, yet no one has mentioned Lawrence of Arabia. My God, what a film.

Directed by the legendary David Lean.

Produced by the unflappable Sam Spiegel.

Music beautifully composed by Maurice Jarre.

A lead tour-de-force performance by Peter O'Toole.

An extra-ordinary cast consisting of Omar Sharif, Alec Guinness, Anthony Quinn, Jack Hawkins, Claude Rains, Anthony Quayle, Jose Ferrer, Arthur Kennedy, I.S. Johar, and SIR DONALD WOLFIT as General Archibald Murray.

When people discuss Lawrence of Arabia, it is not about the movie, but about the experience.

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by Anonymousreply 132January 22, 2022 12:32 AM

It's only *the experience* when it's on the BIG screen.

by Anonymousreply 1January 2, 2022 7:09 PM

No snark from this R1. It's my favorite film, OP.

So many iconic scenes, but the introduction of Omar Sharif's character, Sherif Ali ibn el Kharish, is considered by many to be the greatest "entrance" in film history.

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by Anonymousreply 2January 2, 2022 7:11 PM

You're welcome.

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by Anonymousreply 3January 2, 2022 7:15 PM

Thank you, r2, but I prefer...

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by Anonymousreply 4January 2, 2022 7:18 PM

The desert was the star in that movie.

by Anonymousreply 5January 2, 2022 7:18 PM

Some movies were made to be seen on the big screen. The pandemic notwithstanding, when was the last time you specifically went to a big screen movie?

by Anonymousreply 6January 2, 2022 7:23 PM

I love this movie.

Do you think Lawrence was sodomized in the prison? It is certainly hinted at.

by Anonymousreply 7January 2, 2022 7:25 PM

I found it boring as hell.

I can appreciate grand visuals, I love cinema, but this was a total bore for me.

What is the appeal? Seriously though...

by Anonymousreply 8January 2, 2022 7:26 PM

Well, who still has a BIG screen?

by Anonymousreply 9January 2, 2022 7:27 PM

It's all about the sweep, r8.

by Anonymousreply 10January 2, 2022 7:28 PM

R8 The appeal?

First, the acting:

You have five of the greatest actors of that time in one movie: Alec Guinness, Jack Hawkins, Jose Ferrer, Anthony Quinn, and Anthony Quayle.

You have two very very great actors ending their careers: Claude Rains and Sir Donald Wolfit (he was a Sir when it was rare and actually meant something).

Two brand new actors who give damn good performances: Peter O'Toole and Omar Sharif.

Second, the story: If it wasn't for T.E. Lawrence, WW1 could have ended very differently. He almost single handedly took down The Ottoman Empire.

Third, you have to have an attention span. Lawrence of Arabia is not a Jean Claude van Damn movie. It is a slow building epic that builds characters. Yeah, it might be slow, but the pay off is divine.

by Anonymousreply 11January 2, 2022 7:45 PM

Terrific film that of course covers up Lawrence’s homosexuality. But you could not expect it to not be in the era it was made.

by Anonymousreply 12January 2, 2022 7:59 PM

Lawrence was obviously meant to be a homosexual but it’s reduced to subtext because of the era. Peter O’Toole was beautiful before the alcohol hit. Not to mention Omar Sharif….

So many of those European/foreign actors were so much hotter and more talented than the American men of that era.

by Anonymousreply 13January 2, 2022 8:03 PM

I don't think that the film covers up Lawrence's homosexuality. Given when the film was made, obviously Lean could not show explicit sex. But all you have to do is see the extended sequence in which Omar Sharif appears: as Lawrence, and the camera, stares, out of nothing but heat and sand materializes . . . a tall, dark, handsome man. This is one of the rare films in which a historical character's sexuality isn't incidental; is a key to his character and to what made him important. Lawrence's obsession with the Arabs and Arabia (as well as his unmistakable sadomasochism), are what motivates him.

by Anonymousreply 14January 2, 2022 8:44 PM

I think it is obvious he is both intrigued and devastated by the Turkish Bey experience.

by Anonymousreply 15January 2, 2022 9:32 PM

Some actors just have it from the git-go. No getting better as they age. The actors who had it from the start include Peter O'Toole, Raimu, Brando, Monty, James Dean, Spenser, Burton, Louis Jouvet, Alec Guinness, but oddly not Larry. He was just another posh English actor posing as Ronald Colman lookalike, in his first Hollywood foray. One could never imagine having watched "Perfect Undersanding," in 1933, that a mere 30 years later, he would turn in one of the greatest performances of all time: "Othello." He absolutely nailed it. No one has remotely come close to it.

by Anonymousreply 16January 2, 2022 9:33 PM

Ah, yes, the Turkish experience. Best performance Jose Ferrer ever turned in

by Anonymousreply 17January 2, 2022 9:35 PM

R16 What are you talking about?

by Anonymousreply 18January 2, 2022 9:35 PM

Well, reply 18, look at O'Toole's performance in L of A. He was 26 when he first started the role in 1960. Did he look like a gawky, lost beginner actor, or did he already have gravitas? Same with the others on my list. What's not understand?

by Anonymousreply 19January 2, 2022 9:43 PM

Forgot to add to that list, my main girl, Renee Flaconetti in "La Passion de Jeanne D'Arc

by Anonymousreply 20January 2, 2022 9:44 PM

Another great entrance, John Wayne in Stagecoach. “Hold it!”

Never got John Wayne until I saw that movie.

by Anonymousreply 21January 2, 2022 9:45 PM

[quote] The pandemic notwithstanding, when was the last time you specifically went to a big screen movie?


by Anonymousreply 22January 2, 2022 10:32 PM

[quote] Do you think Lawrence was sodomized in the prison?

If I were posted to the dark side of the moon I could not be more isolated.

by Anonymousreply 23January 2, 2022 10:34 PM

[quote]DL loves classic movies, yet no one has mentioned Lawrence of Arabia.

Yes, OP, it has been mentioned. Around Thanksgiving there was a lively discussion over whether Lawrence had been sodomized.

[quote]Terrific film that of course covers up Lawrence’s homosexuality. But you could not expect it to not be in the era it was made.

R13 and R14 are correct; it's there, but somewhat understated. For 1962, though, it practically amounts to a screaming headline: 'Lawrence was a bugger!'

But on the whole, I concur with R4.

"Affection is a pressure I can bear."

by Anonymousreply 24January 2, 2022 11:14 PM

It's a film that's so beautiful and rich that I'll only watch it on the big screen. It cannot be properly appreciated on television, regardless of the size of the screen.

by Anonymousreply 25January 2, 2022 11:16 PM

[quote]A lead tour-de-force performance by Peter O'Toole.

Yeah well, The Academy thought Gregory Peck was better.

by Anonymousreply 26January 2, 2022 11:20 PM

Florence of Arabia

by Anonymousreply 27January 3, 2022 12:10 AM

Lawrence of my labia

by Anonymousreply 28January 3, 2022 12:13 AM

It’s gorgeous but I can never remember the plot. Is there one?

by Anonymousreply 29January 3, 2022 12:29 AM

R29 they best movies do not have plots.

by Anonymousreply 30January 3, 2022 12:58 AM

R29, there isn’t a conventional plot, and it doesn’t build to a heroic or affirmative conclusion. It’s really a meditation on Lawrence’s personality and how he can never belong any place. He’ll never be able to stay with the desert tribesmen and he’ll never fit in with the British. Every time I see it I’m surprised that it was made.

by Anonymousreply 31January 3, 2022 1:03 AM

Has anyone read the book, Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence?

by Anonymousreply 32January 3, 2022 1:23 AM

Not enough dirty dancing.

by Anonymousreply 33January 3, 2022 1:24 AM

Despite the massive improvements in home viewing, to me there are four movies that are just better in a theater with a huge screen: this, 2001, Apocalypse Now, and Playtime.

I've never been bored by Lawrence of Arabia. I get sucked in every time. For a blockbuster, It deals with its subjects (imperialism, orientalism, sexuality, etc) with incredible subtlety and complexity. There are so many thrilling moments. Last time I really noticed how great Maurice Jarre's score is. One of the best.

by Anonymousreply 34January 3, 2022 1:53 AM

Let's give some love to Robert Harris and James Katz who restored the film in the late 80s when the negative was deteriorating and the original film was almost lost forever. The original negative had been cut for later releases and even they couldn't restore everything but they got most of it back.

Harris and Katz also restored My Fair Lady and Vertigo before they were lost, as well as many other important films, including major Hitchcocks. Don't judge their Vertigo restoration too harshly. Universal forced them to put in many sound and visual effects that weren't in the original in order to finance the restoration. But they were able to save original film elements that preserved the original film and supported later, more faithful, versions.

by Anonymousreply 35January 3, 2022 1:58 AM

^ Vertigo was in terrible shape when Harris and Katz were assigned to it and although most of the restoration came from the deplorable original camera negative, the famous scene of Judy's transformation, when she appears bathed in green light, was 16 generations removed from the original. It was the best they could find.

by Anonymousreply 36January 3, 2022 2:07 AM

There was at least one scene in the Lawrence restoration where all they found was the film itself, but not the soundtrack, and they called in voice doubles to redo the sound, including Anthony Hopkins to dub Olivier. Open to correction.

by Anonymousreply 37January 3, 2022 2:28 AM

OP: LOVE your response at R11. Just perfection. You should be a professional film critic or teach teach at the university level. Bravo.

by Anonymousreply 38January 3, 2022 2:33 AM

Seven Pillars of Wisdom has some serious gay porn.

by Anonymousreply 39January 3, 2022 2:43 AM

To reply 37: It's Spartacus, Not L of A.

by Anonymousreply 40January 3, 2022 2:49 AM

I stand corrected, r40.

by Anonymousreply 41January 3, 2022 2:53 AM

The film was based both of The Seven Pillars of Wisdom and journalist Lowell Thomas's book With Lawrence in Arabia. Producer Sam Spiegel bought the screen rights to both.

Thomas accompanied Lawrence for awhile during his adventures and filmed a lot of it in silent black and white. His book was a huge success and made Lawrence's reputation but Thomas also did a hugely successful vaudeville tour talking about Lawrence's exploits accompanied by the filmed footage. It established both Thomas and Lawrence.

by Anonymousreply 42January 3, 2022 3:01 AM

R38 Thanks, I have been a cinephile for years now. My personal favorite performance in the movie is Claude Rains. I believe it was his last movie.

R42 Lowell Thomas was depicted as having both respect and contempt for Lawrence.

by Anonymousreply 43January 3, 2022 2:10 PM

R43, Rains’s final line, as he ponders the coming fall of the British Empire, is the best: “On the whole, I wish I’d stayed in Tunbridge Wells.”

by Anonymousreply 44January 3, 2022 5:49 PM

R44 That's a good one. My favorite dialogue is right before intermissions. Colonel Brighton (Quayle), General Allenby (Hawkins), and Mr. Dryden (Rains) are discussing giving out artillery.

General Allenby: I've got orders to obey, thank God. Not like that poor devil. He's riding the whirlwind.

Mr. Dryden: Let's hope we're not.


by Anonymousreply 45January 3, 2022 7:13 PM

Yes, I've read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom", and he explicitly discusses being raped in a Turkish jail. He also talks about the Bedouin fighting men getting it on with each other on page two, so while he doesn't come out in the book, he's very frank for his times.

And yes, R14 is very correct that Lawrence's homosexuality is key to his character in a character-driven film, it's the root of his fascination with the Bedouin (where the men get it on with each other and the women hide from him), and it's also part of his increasing instability. He loves the Bedouin with a general lustful love and particularly loves Sharif Ali, and the subtext is that his love is uncomsumated until he's raped in the Turkish jail. It's both a fulfillment and an agonizing nightmare, and when he reunites with Ali, there's a moment when they stop talking and look meaningfully at each other... and that look said "We could have been lovers, but now Lawrence has been ruined, it cannot be". And Lawrence gets crazier and more reckless after that realization, his innocence is gone and his capacity for love destroyed.

Was Lean gay?

by Anonymousreply 46January 3, 2022 8:59 PM

R46 Lean was asexual at best.

by Anonymousreply 47January 3, 2022 9:00 PM

Lean was a philanderer.

by Anonymousreply 48January 3, 2022 10:04 PM

[Quote]He almost single handedly took down The Ottoman Empire.

Luckily he didn't, because I like this one!

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by Anonymousreply 49January 3, 2022 11:19 PM

Lean was married six times. I don’t know how people find that kind of energy.

by Anonymousreply 50January 3, 2022 11:31 PM

They are remaking Lawrence of Arabia. Directed by Michael Bay. An All-Star Cast:

James Franco as Lawrence

Shia LeBeouf as Prince Faisal

Keanu Reeves as Auda Abu Tayi

M. Night Shyamalan as Ali

John Travolta as General Allenby

Woody Allen as Mr. Dryden

Hayden Christensen as Colonel Brighton

Jared Leto as The Turkish Bey

Tommy Wiseau as Lowell Thomas

and Anthony Daniels as General Archibald Murray

by Anonymousreply 51January 4, 2022 12:23 AM

Joking? ^

by Anonymousreply 52January 4, 2022 4:35 AM

r51 And Jerry Mathers as.....

by Anonymousreply 53January 4, 2022 4:50 AM

O'Toole's perfectly blue eyes. No special effects required.

by Anonymousreply 54January 4, 2022 4:51 AM

Yes, this was fully discussed not too long ago, maybe this summer (I don't think it was Thanksgiving time). Because coincidentally, I had just bought a copy at a thrift store and my husband and I watched it. I was the dummy who said I don't think I would have known he'd been raped if I hadn't read it on DL, and everyone said I was naive as hell. Which is true. I also didn't understand the movie, but felt like we had really accomplished something by watching the whole thing.

by Anonymousreply 55January 4, 2022 5:09 AM

I just watched it tonight on TCM. Had never seen it before but was always curious about it. Brilliant film and the acting was superb. And I was completely taken aback by the homoerotic subtext of the film; definitely was not expecting that at all. The sexual chemistry between O'Toole and Sharif was off the charts in my opinion (and both were stunningly beautiful at that time).

Just an all-around great film and I look forward to watching it again someday.

by Anonymousreply 56January 9, 2022 5:41 AM

[quote]Despite the massive improvements in home viewing, to me there are four movies that are just better in a theater with a huge screen: this, 2001, Apocalypse Now, and Playtime.

I totally agree and would add Close Encounters to that list.

by Anonymousreply 57January 9, 2022 5:42 AM

Lawrence of my labia

by Anonymousreply 58January 9, 2022 5:46 AM

Obi-Wan Kenobi is fucking purple!

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by Anonymousreply 59January 9, 2022 5:56 AM

Needs to be seen on the big screen at least once in your life. I try to see it that way whenever a local revival house shows it.

by Anonymousreply 60January 9, 2022 6:11 AM

Lawrencia Labia

by Anonymousreply 61January 9, 2022 6:21 AM

There's a wonderful book "Setting the Desert on Fire" by James Barr, which details how Lawrence bribed the Hashemi clan Bedu to assist Britain in driving the Turks out of the Hijaz. It serves to clarify why in 1922, Britain gifted half of mandated Palestine to the Hashemis (kicked out of the Hijaz by the far stronger Saud clan) and the geo-political repercussions of Britain's empty-headed decision/gift to this day.

by Anonymousreply 62January 9, 2022 6:33 AM

[quote] Produced by the unflappable Sam Spiegel.

He was a tasteless man of which David Lean was glad to got rid after two productions.

He overloaded his British products with Americans.

by Anonymousreply 63January 9, 2022 6:34 AM

[quote] a Jean Claude van Damn movie.

a Jean-Claude van Damme movie.

by Anonymousreply 64January 9, 2022 6:38 AM

[quote] Thank you, but I prefer...The Lion in Winter

R4 'Lawrence of Arabia' is pure cinema. It relies on visuals, music, camera movement and spectacle to tell most of the story.

It has short bouts of pertinent dialogue for about 30% of its length.

'The Lion in Winter' is a verbose filmed play; the puppet-characters shout, rant and bellow constantly for 97% of its length.

by Anonymousreply 65January 9, 2022 6:47 AM

I just bought the original soundtrack on iTunes. There are several to choose from, so I made sure to select the one by Maurice Jarre released on December 10, 1962.

by Anonymousreply 66January 9, 2022 7:04 AM

[quote] It’s gorgeous but I can never remember the plot. Is there one?

Did you see the First World War. Or perhaps the Second World War? Did you see the plot?

by Anonymousreply 67January 9, 2022 7:12 AM

[quote] [Lawrence] was almost lost forever. … My Fair Lady and Vertigo before they were lost

These are clichéd phrases used to advertise the renovated product. Important films like these don't get "lost".

by Anonymousreply 68January 9, 2022 7:18 AM

[quote] including Anthony Hopkins to dub Olivier

Wrong film, dear. R37

by Anonymousreply 69January 9, 2022 7:31 AM

[quote] Claude Rains. I believe it was his last movie.

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by Anonymousreply 70January 9, 2022 7:35 AM

Peter O'Toole? What a vulgar name.

by Anonymousreply 71January 9, 2022 7:55 AM

[quote]These are clichéd phrases used to advertise the renovated product. Important films like these don't get "lost".

Not lost literally but the quality is but maybe you enjoy a pan and scan VHS quality viewing experience of important films.

by Anonymousreply 72January 9, 2022 10:18 AM

Meh. Sparky O'Toole and more depth.

And Dune had more sand.

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by Anonymousreply 73January 9, 2022 10:23 AM

R63 🙄

by Anonymousreply 74January 9, 2022 10:41 AM

Though only partly filmed there, the film remains a great inducement for a visit to Wadi Rum.

by Anonymousreply 75January 9, 2022 10:47 AM

It is a staggeringly great movie. I've seen it dozens of time - on home video, projected on a huge screen in 70mm, etc. But while I agree seeing it on the big screen is the ultimate experience, I think it's a mark of the film's quality that one could have watched it (as I did) on a tiny screen on VHS or on TV and still get sucked in. That's because it's not only a visual feast, but the script is so damn good and repays repeated viewings. It has a very ambivalent relationship to Lawrence, to the British Empire, and to the Arab uprising. Those looking for easy moral points are going to come away disappointed and, on reflection, it's amazing that a big studio film like this one could be so ambiguous and barbed in its political and historical shadings.

by Anonymousreply 76January 9, 2022 2:03 PM

When people discuss Lawrence of Arabia, it is not about the movie, but about the experience.

This is what we have really been discussing.

by Anonymousreply 77January 9, 2022 6:03 PM

The [italic]experience[/italic] of the [italic]movie[/italic] is exactly what R76 was describing, OP. What they left out was the impact of the stunning visuals which I agree is one of the most striking features of the film. Visual poetry or as Hitchcock always talked about, "pure cinema".

by Anonymousreply 78January 9, 2022 7:53 PM

R65 and R78 agree. It is 'pure cinema'.

And Lean and Hitchcock were raised in the silent era when 'stars had faces then'.

Unlike that ranting gab-fest called 'Lion in Winter'.

by Anonymousreply 79January 9, 2022 7:57 PM

R77, I'm not sure that's an incisive point, OP. Posters on this thread have, in fact, discussed the movie's structure, it's acting, and how it conveys meaning. People talk about the film as an "experience" because, not unlike Kubrick's 2001, it communicates in an all-absorbing, hypnotically visual way. Lean doesn't do what Kubrick did, which is reduce the spoken word to almost nothing, but, in both films, the story doesn't unfold in a conventional way. They are not meant to have traditional plots or, even worse, conventional "messages."

by Anonymousreply 80January 9, 2022 8:12 PM

Aren't most of the wide-screen 60's epics more experience than plot?

by Anonymousreply 81January 9, 2022 8:18 PM

R81, perhaps, but many of them are not artistically ambitious. The "experience" you often have is "wow, that must have cost a lot of money."

by Anonymousreply 82January 9, 2022 8:59 PM

[quote] And Lean and Hitchcock were raised in the silent era when 'stars had faces then'.

Hitchcock cut his teeth as a director in the silent era. By the time sound was introduced he had mastered his craft — much like his contemporaries Renoir, Bunuel, Ford, Lubitsch.

David Lean is interesting in that like Alain Resnais he got his start as an editor, and when he finally became a director he made smaller scale films many critics felt was his best period as a director. None of his earlier films gave an inclination to the big scale John Ford/Kurosawa-type of epics he would eventually make starting with The Bridge on the River Kwai.

I adore his films he made with Noel Coward.

by Anonymousreply 83January 9, 2022 9:16 PM

Ladies- I am shocked. 83 responses and NO ONE has brought this up yet when talking about the 1963 Oscars. What has DL come to.

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by Anonymousreply 84January 9, 2022 9:25 PM

As said above sometimes when they talk about a film being lost(as opposed to a film being literally lost like so many silents) they mean the original presentation of the film as audiences first saw it when that presentation was integral to the effect of the film as a whole. I saw Lawrence three times after the restoration at the Ziegfeld and each time it flew by. I went once with a friend who thought it should have been longer. To be perfectly honest I went with another friend who fell asleep.

by Anonymousreply 85January 9, 2022 9:32 PM

[quote] Was Lean gay?

What makes you ask that, R46?

Do you think Michael Relph and Basil Dearden were gay?

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by Anonymousreply 86January 10, 2022 12:08 AM

Was Michael Redgrave gay? Come on fool.

by Anonymousreply 87January 10, 2022 1:06 AM

Is everybody gay?

by Anonymousreply 88January 10, 2022 1:12 AM

Noel Coward was with a friend walking through Leicester Square and a cinema had on its marquee Michael Redgrave and Dirk Bogarde in 'The Sea Shall Not Have Them.' Coward said, "I don't see why not everyone else has."

by Anonymousreply 89January 10, 2022 3:20 AM

Vanessa Redgrave was once released early from filming and went home to find her husband, director Tony Richardson, naked in bed with her father, Sir Michael Redgrave. They invited her to join in but instead she left and instigated divorce proceedings not long after. The Redgrave family, led by Lynn, gave a press conference denying the story, but they never sued the biographer who first printed the story nor the Daily Mail, which had serialized the book.

by Anonymousreply 90January 10, 2022 3:33 AM

R87, R89, R90. Yes, Michael Redgrave was beautiful but he's quite irrelevant to this thread.

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by Anonymousreply 91January 10, 2022 3:44 AM

But what delicious gossip, r91, and this is after all a gossip site, not a film forum.

by Anonymousreply 92January 10, 2022 3:53 AM

What about Sir Donald Wolfit's sex life?

by Anonymousreply 93January 10, 2022 3:58 AM

What about Ernest Thesiger's sex life?

by Anonymousreply 94January 10, 2022 4:12 AM

Yes, r91, may I suggest Home Theater Forum? They have a thread about Lawrence of Arabia started by Robert Harris himself that is now hundreds of pages and thousands of replies long. Endlessly fascinating, as the saying goes.

I couldn't find that thread immediately with a google search but here is a 22 long page thread he started started on how his restoration was retweaked for the blu ray release of which he heartily approved back in 2012,

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by Anonymousreply 95January 10, 2022 5:24 AM

For some reason Lawrence in 4k is in a box set and not available individually. Thank god the 4k My Fair Lady is and looks spectacular. Even better than the great 50th anniversary bluray. I don't know how they did it. You do see too much even more than you would have probably seen first run in 1964 but you get used to it.

by Anonymousreply 96January 10, 2022 6:22 AM

You see details of the actors' makeup and costumes in the latest versions of The Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind that you would never have seen in 1939. Sometimes that's good but other times not. '

by Anonymousreply 97January 10, 2022 6:31 AM

In the latest DVDs and Blu Rays of of the early 50s version War of the Worlds, you can see the wires holding up the Martian spaceships. At the time, they wouldn't have been visible to theater audiences.

by Anonymousreply 98January 10, 2022 6:43 AM

There used to be a lot of discussion on the film forums about whether it was correct for modern restorations to show more detail than what would have been visible to audiences at the time. The various creative artists involved with the original films knew exactly what the audiences of the day would have seen, or not seen, and made their creative decisions accordingly.

by Anonymousreply 99January 10, 2022 6:58 AM

Let's circle back to Lawrence of Arabia

by Anonymousreply 100January 10, 2022 2:42 PM

Why do hall monitors always kill threads?

by Anonymousreply 101January 10, 2022 10:31 PM

[quote] Why do hall monitors always kill threads?

Why do the Bedouin hate the Howeitat?

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by Anonymousreply 102January 10, 2022 10:46 PM

The two boys who play crucial roles in the film and one has one of the all time great death scenes in the history of cinema have never been interviewed about the film and are probably the only two surviving members of the cast.

by Anonymousreply 103January 11, 2022 5:25 AM

R103 Michael Ray (Farraj), who married into extreme wealth.

John Dimech (Daud).

Also living, Zia Mohyeddin (Tafas).

by Anonymousreply 104January 11, 2022 4:53 PM

R104 Wolfit

by Anonymousreply 105January 11, 2022 6:25 PM

[quote]In the latest DVDs and Blu Rays of of the early 50s version War of the Worlds, you can see the wires holding up the Martian spaceships. At the time, they wouldn't have been visible to theater audiences.

Not any more....

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by Anonymousreply 106January 11, 2022 10:39 PM

R106, thanks for that! I don't keep up with film restoration the way I used to and that is so good to know.

by Anonymousreply 107January 12, 2022 4:14 AM
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by Anonymousreply 108January 12, 2022 4:18 AM
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by Anonymousreply 109January 12, 2022 4:19 AM

Would O'Toole have been as memorable if he had done the film before his nose job?

See link of him before.

Supposedly done because "he wanted to be a movie star".

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by Anonymousreply 110January 12, 2022 3:44 PM

There was even a previous DL thread (from 2014) about the nose job.

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by Anonymousreply 111January 12, 2022 3:46 PM

Another picture with the old nose - much more noticeable here.

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by Anonymousreply 112January 12, 2022 3:47 PM

Interesting that Jennifer Hudson and Cynthia Erivo were both nominated for playing Aretha Franklin, the former in the major motion picture, the latter in the mini-series.

by Anonymousreply 113January 12, 2022 3:56 PM

Oops, sorry, I meant to post that in the SAG thread lol.

by Anonymousreply 114January 12, 2022 3:56 PM

[quote]Supposedly done because "he wanted to be a movie star."

That can't be right. According to some DLers, it is only Americans who aspire to be rich and famous actors; the British are really in it for the art. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 115January 12, 2022 4:11 PM

O'Toole and Burton openly admitted it.

by Anonymousreply 116January 12, 2022 4:22 PM

Fun fact: 0mar Sharif's grandson is family. He and his hole can be found on Los Angeles Grindr most nights of the week.

by Anonymousreply 117January 12, 2022 10:06 PM

R104 Michael Ray at least has talked about the film. And he's had not a bad life, working as a young actor with some of film's greatests, getting a Harvard BA and MBA, competing in two Winter Olympics (skiing and luge), banker (nobody's perfect), and marrying one of the world's richest women.

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by Anonymousreply 118January 13, 2022 2:36 AM

It seems that this enormous blockbuster was in the red for a decade.

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by Anonymousreply 119January 13, 2022 4:23 AM

Donald Wolfit gives the best performance in the movie, hands down.

by Anonymousreply 120January 13, 2022 4:37 AM

Well, R120, I know you're going to tell us that Wolfit presented the full gamut of emotions in his three minutes on screen. And that his three minutes on screen was a full and appropriate summation of his five decades of thespian chiaroscuro.

But. I notice that David Lean booted him out after those three minutes and replaced him with Jack Hawkins.

by Anonymousreply 121January 13, 2022 4:43 AM

R121 He was actually in five minutes and fifty-four seconds of the movie. And he was a thespian in the early twentieth century. The defining Lear of his day.

by Anonymousreply 122January 13, 2022 4:47 AM

Ha. I just looked Wolfit up on Wikipedia and according to the article, Hermione Gingold once said that Olivier was tour de force but Wolfit was forced to tour.

by Anonymousreply 123January 13, 2022 5:18 AM

Hermione Badgold was lemon-mouthed bitch.

She was an appalling drag queen in a female body.

by Anonymousreply 124January 13, 2022 5:24 AM

Really, R124? You say that like it's a bad thing.

by Anonymousreply 125January 13, 2022 7:37 AM

John Dimech was the really cute one. He has that tremendous camel ride racing towards O'Toole coming out of the dessert and the death scene everyone remembers. Nobody seems to know what became of him.

by Anonymousreply 126January 13, 2022 2:21 PM

I’d love to see Doctor Zhivago and Ryan’s Daughter on the big screen some day. I saw Lawrence in a huge revival house in Boston a few years ago under the influence of edibles. 🤙

by Anonymousreply 127January 13, 2022 2:26 PM

Peter O'Toole blowing out the match which then cuts to the desert is cinema at its best.

by Anonymousreply 128January 17, 2022 7:50 AM

Speilburg agrees with you, R127.

by Anonymousreply 129January 17, 2022 7:56 AM

Greatest entrance in cinema history?

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by Anonymousreply 130January 17, 2022 8:09 AM

I always think Peter O'Toole was too much of a theater actor to be a good movie actor. Always too much over the top, very little nuance, too hammy.

He was a very beautiful man though, before the booze killed his looks.

by Anonymousreply 131January 17, 2022 10:10 AM

[quote] Music beautifully composed by Maurice Jarre.

Some sections are savage and atonal as well as eerily beautiful.

Jarre definitely stole some rhythms and orchestral sonorities from Bartok as well as from the orgiastic-climax to this—

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