Mass murder in Waukesha Part III

The first thread:

The second thread:

[quote]Rider said he was thinking about something his mother told him earlier that day–the message in church that morning was to help the homeless. So Rider let Brooks into his home because it was cold and he was only wearing a short-sleeved shirt and no shoes. Rider said Brooks used his cell phone to call his mother, while Rider made Brooks a sandwich and gave him a coat to warm up. Rider said he couldn’t tell what Brooks was saying to his mom.

[quote]Brooks even pretended to be unware of the parade in town, asking Rider “if there was something going on downtown.”

What a culture clash. Rider from a high-trust culture where the social contract is still strong and the expectation is that a good person will help their neighbor. And clearly Christian homilies are taken very seriously.

And Brooks from a culture where you take what you can, how you can, from whoever you can, and try to fuck them up as badly as possible while you're doing it.

Platitudes and hand-wringing from politicians will not solve this culture clash.

[quote] Darrell Brooks' bail has been set at $5 million

Why does he even have bail? He murdered 5 people. What is with this God damned town? The judges INSIST on setting bail for the worst of the worst

R4 Six people, and you're right. He shouldn't have bail at all.

R1 and R2, those threads are full bitch

So much for the asshats here claiming the cops chased him into the crowd and that it was really just an accident.

The bail hearing was broadcast on local TV in Milwaukee. He's got a really long list of violent convictions going back almost twenty years.

Shitty formatting in OP, and a typo! No more OPing for me.

Will some rich rapper post his $5,000,000 bond? I think Wisconsin does not allow for pre trial detention without bond. What the judge could have done is ordered his let out on a 1 dollar bond, ordered the bailiffs to take off the chains and bulletproof vest and to escort to the courthouse steps. Problem solved.

It's terrible, but...if someone had taken a gun and killed six people, would it even rate? Would anyone give a fuck?

He ought to be chained to a fire hydrant and let the families drive over him, that way the water would wash the street of this POS'S blood.

Agree with R4, R5 and R12.

Of course you're right, R11, most people don't actually care but the circumstances of the story is what draws attention to it. Kind of like the snow shovel murders. People get shot every day, but that story made the news because of its bizarre circumstances.

No one is talking about this it’s oddly silent.

Nothing odd about it, R15. It is the mass media's pattern of ginning up outrage about white crimes against black people, and suppressing or excusing or explaining away black crimes against white people. It's not subtle or hidden at all. It's right out there in the open.

Who do you mean by "no one", r15?

R11 What are you talking about? This is international news. When this happens in France we always hear about it here.

I have no problem acknowledging our history of racism however I find it deeply ironic that the most vocal anti racists are the ones pushing for more criminal rights, no bail, and defunding the police, which all disproportionally harm communities of color. It shouldn't be surprising. Those who pretend to be the most virtuous tend to be the evilest.

R15 It's a potential terror attack, the guy had extremist racial and political views.

Authorities are limiting press access to try and keep the situation calm so there aren't retaliatory attacks or copycats.

R17, i don't count those republican grifters on twitter so basically “no one” is tallking about this…

R19 Racism means equating other black people with this guy and what he did. He stands alone.

R20 That's all well and good but then why did the press gin up so much outrage for Kyle Rittenhouse before the facts even emerged and why continue to lie afterwards. Why was Trump forced to disavow the Charlotsville protestors while Biden says nothing in the wake of this tragedy?

The affidavit in the case. Yes, I know it’s from Andy Ngo

R23 Biden spoke on Waukesha yesterday.

Even if Brooks was not a casual supporter of BLM, his case would still put the entire criminal system based on equity and diverting resources under severe scrutiny.

R11 Sorry but this is not correct. A shooting of four or more people always receives commercial free cable news media coverage--even the spectre gets the same treatment until the 'no fatalities' message is broadcast and the commercials slowly reemerge. Also time of day matters, with daytime regents being the most covered. I' m thinking specifically here about the shooting at the warehouse in Illinois some years back, but this is standard procedure.

There's other stories to cover too, R15 - there's the Ahmaud Arbery case, the Charlottesville trial - Heather Heyer's mother is on CNN tonight, and Jan. 6.

Sorry to post a pdf, but here's the full complaint:

"The vehicle then appeared to rapidly accelerate, as Officer Butryn heard tires squeal. The vehicle took an abrupt left turn into the crowd of parade participants. At this point, it was clear that this was an intentional act to strike and hurt as many people as possible."

This was clear in the videos.

“As I continued to watch the SUV, it continued to drive in a zig zag motion. It was like the SUV was trying to avoid vehicles, not people. There was no attempt made by the vehicle to stop, much less slow down.”

Totally agree with R3.

The first half of r23 is correct. The media's negligence over Kenosha is jaw dropping.

But the second half of r23 is nuts. The Charlottesville "protesters" were racists and actual legit white supremacists, and not the ones that the left sees under their bed at night and in the bathroom mirror. Trump should have commended it immediately and unequivocally, but he didn't because he's probably a racist and definitely a bigot and is himself shameless.

Internet says suspect was already released on bail.

So the initial claims that there were 3 people in the SUV and the other 2 got away are false?

Also agree with R3.

somebody needs to tell Joy Reid this happened - she appears to be unaware

The homeowner of the home he went to is cute as hell. He pings for me as well!

It's not culture, R3, it's choices. Brooks was a serial spousal abuser who was repeatedly jailed for violent offenses. He's who jail is for. Jail is for him. Why was he not there? He tried to run over his ex with his car ten days before these murders. That's attempted murder!

I do think there's going to be a political motive to this, in which case irresponsible media and politicians bear some blame too.

But nobody forces you to kill. This guy chose to do this and he knew what he was doing.

[Quote] Why was Trump forced to disavow the Charlotsville protestors while Biden says nothing in the wake of this tragedy?

Excellent point.

Five counts of First Degree Murder in the complaint. Premeditated.

Go talk to Mary Lemanski, a Democratic social media director. She's completely cool with the murdering these people. Talk to her.

[quote] “this is a lynching of a black man,”

The Judge has the same exact voice as Derek Chauvin's chubby lawyer.

the DA who let this creep make $1,000 bail is gonna be looking for a new job

This better be wrong.

R45, auug! it’s sad that we have to used their info because no one else is talking about it.

R46 They're going to have to be shamed into covering it. Just like Biden will have to be shamed into participating in public mourning over this.

R37 Sweet Christian boys in their twenties...

R39, no it’s not, not the least because Trump didn’t disavow the Charlottesville mob.

How many second chances did Darrell Brooks need turn his life around? What a pathetic life and human being.

I'm not sure why people expect Biden to visit the victims.

What dictates a mass murder? 2 or more victims?

[quote]Biden Admin currently has no plans to send anyone to Waukesha after Christmas massacre, per WH official

Imagine, just imagine what this Thanksgiving would be like if this had been a white man plowing down black people.

R52, four or more, over a short period of time and in basically the same area.

R45, what is the white house supposed to do? Who should they send? This was one lone crackpot

F&F R53. What a load of shit. This place is overrun with Trumpanzees.

R56 it's kind of true tho. MSNBC primetime not interested in this story, but if this had been a white driver in a black parade?

Joe and Jill are with the troops today. You all have no idea (nor does that non-blue check guy) where they are planning on being. Showing up right now at the CCU or ICU with SS and press is not a good idea.

I do agree with you all blasting MSMBC, though. They're absolute shit aside from that little hottie who does the board for them.

R51 Public mourning, so everyone understands that the powers that be don't find this acceptable. Silence in this case is encouragement of more violence. Biden's speech yesterday was a good initial step, but these rituals serve a necessary purpose.

The really incredible thing is that the White House interjected themselves in this mess. Similar to Obama with the Ferguson incident. Why are they trying to instigate unrest?

R60 Did they? So far all Biden has done is offer condolences to the victims and decry violence. Very normal.

There seems to be an endless supply of dead end losers like this - illiterate bastards, no education, long rap sheet, knocking up women, fathering kids they can't begin to support, much less care for, no work history, no aspirations, ignorant, dirty, angry - but they manage to get their all important dreadlocks and tattoos. Raised on hip hop and hopelessness. There's an army of them and they just keep on coming.

R60 You really think Biden is trying to instigate unrest two days before Thanksgiving? How does that benefit him?

R52 FBI standard is three or more in one event.

Did Al Sharpton pay his bail?

R63, have you not seen the tweets from Biden in regards to Rittenhouse? Sometimes it’s better to remain quiet.

R66 This thread isn't about Rittenhouse.

First degree murder? Can they prove premeditation?

Also, has anyone looked up the victims on social media to see if they were Trump supporters?

I’m not saying their deaths are justified, I’m just saying, sometimes we don’t need to be as sad about some deaths compared to others.

I’m not saying they deserved it!

Maybe Kyle's grandma can take her concern about Kyle to one of the 523 threads about Kyle.

Also, tinymeat, forever alone, edgelord at R68 gets my last F&F. Comments like that is why you have to pay for sex, tardface.

Why is M not doing anything about the influx of TRUMPTARDS? This thread is filled with them. Has anyone told these ancient white crones this is a GAY forun?

They would have to wait a while until all are out of ICU and surgery.

R69, my dick is 8” long and many people have paid ME for sex. I have never paid for it.

Also you should maybe lighten up and try to recognize satire when you see it.

R68 Fuck off.

TouchYYY in here tonight, sheesh.

R74 My feathers are a little ruffled, you stated a lot of people's thoughts on this much more bluntly than they ever would and I shouldn't have taken it literally. Sorry.

Yes, R68, they completely deserved it. They were so wrong just for being there.

You are not good enough to be called a piece of shit.

And the fact that 50% of DL is somewhat right…heads are spinning

The dancing grannies didn't dance hard enough. 🤷‍♂️

I know you don't care, but I'll post it anyway.

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an this

and then there's this.

[quote] have you not seen the tweets from Biden in regards to Rittenhouse? Sometimes it’s better to remain quiet.

Yes, I did. I also saw what he said.

[quote] When returning to the White House Friday afternoon after an unexpected annual physical at Walter Reed Medical Center, Biden supported the jury system despite his anger over it.

“Look, I stand by what the jury has concluded,” Biden told reporters. “The jury system works, and we have to abide by it.”

In his formal statement, the president noted that we cannot “heal our country’s wounds overnight, but I remain steadfast in my commitment to do everything in my power to ensure that every American is treated equally, with fairness and dignity, under the law.”

Biden also said he was aware of how angry the verdict might make some — given the protests and riots that hit the streets in the past two years — urging Americans to “express their views peacefully, consistent with the rule of law.”

this one i actually did think was sort of funny.

[quote]Those who pretend to be the most virtuous tend to be the evilest.

“And thus I clothe my naked villainy with odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ; and seem a saint, when most I play the devil.”

Is that a Bible quote? Tf. Murriel where tf are you?

If you have to make up imaginary situations and lie to prove your point, you don't have a point. Let the justice system handle him and leave race out of it.

The most hideous r85. Loves that we’re talking about him.

How sickening

R68, you are a sad human.

R86 Shakespeare, Richard III.

R68: TDS on full display

R62 that's because it's the norm in ghetto culture (and no, I am not using that as a blanket term for black people—but there is a specific faction of black people who do make up a large part of that culture) to continually birth kids you can't afford to raise, most of them fathered by irresponsible and reckless man-children who are counting on their rap "career" to take off—except it almost never does, so most end up falling into dealing or some other form of fast, unsustainable, often criminal moneymaking. It's a vicious cycle largely driven by poverty and circumstance, but it's also enabled. There are complex reasons for it that can absolutely be traced back to the historical treatment of black people in this country, but at the end of the day, individuals living in a society have to be held accountable for their actions. The buck stops with you, but only if you want it to.

My impression was that at first he was fleeing and in a small panic and his adrenaline was rushing and in his mind he was thinking his life is screwed up. And then in the heat of it all he said fuck it, and decided to seek revenge on the world for having such a shitty life by taking out happy people from a world he’s never been apart of and never would be.

This scumbag had a homeowner make him a fucking sandwich after his mass murder killing spree.

R55 Lee Harvey Oswald and James Earl Ray were "lone crackpots." Brooks was pretty likely killing random white people in reaction to the Rittenhouse verdict, too. The criminal complaint has established that he drove into the parade intentionally and was hitting as many people as he could. We won't know until the trial, but we all can sense it I think.

[quote]Why was Trump forced to disavow the Charlotsville protestors while Biden says nothing in the wake of this tragedy?

The motives of this guy are not clear yet and Biden had never anything to do with him in the first place. Unlike Trump, Joe Biden isn't calling on people to violently fight his enemies.

Can people just stop associating this low life thug with anything democrats stand for. Geez!!

R86 "Is that the Bible?" 🤣😖😅

R93, it’s definitely a ghetto-thing, although, both in the US and Europe, African Americans/Caribbeans always seem to be the culprits. People from Ghana or Nigeria are usually the complete opposite and manage to successfully climb the socioeconomic ladder.

R51 You don’t know why people would want Biden to visit? 6 people died, in an attack, during a Christmas parade. Of course the President needs to visit! And it has already been a few days. The first day or two may not be appropriate, but by now, he needs to be on the ground, meeting with victims families and speaking out against hate.

If common decency isn’t enough to convince you and him that he needs to visit, then maybe common sense that WI is a swing state and killing dancing grannies at parades doesn’t poll well.

Of course, if he DOES visit, the families will just get the same sob story about his Beau dying of cancer.

R100 The only thing that gets through to these people- threat of losing an election. Sociopaths.

R97 is one of those R68 types.

R3 I am not sure I would use “culture clash” here. I get what you mean, and I am sure you are not saying that all Black people have the same outlook as Brooks (at least I HOPE that is what you mean) and instead low class, ghetto people have that outlet. But, still, saying culture class so sound a bit racist and dog.

But I agree it is a clash if ideology and life outlook.

R96, you think you know what was going through his mind while he was murdering and maiming innocent people, but then say what is all on numerous videos won't be know until the trial. Amazing

[quote]What’s the next narrative? He had the shits and was trying to get home?

"Systemic Racism", ie "Blame Whitey"

[quote]somebody needs to tell Joy Reid this happened - she appears to be unaware

It was totally predictable that MSNBC would bury this story as soon as the suspect was identified as black.

R98 Like YOU fuckin' knew it was from Richard III, WITHOUT Googling.

R104 I was clear, I think, that I was speculating and it's my opinion. It does seem to be the way all the information we've gotten is linking together. But we won't know until the trial.

R107 Faster to Google than type out some dumb shit 😆

Anybody know, where's Joe?

R110: celebrating Thanksgiving in Nantucket

Biden's spending Thanksgiving with David Rubenstein, the billionaire founder of the creepy Carlyle Group. Not a good look.

Thanks R85. Shakespeare always seems to have a line or 2 for any situation. Love my guy Will.

Think I'll crack out the sonnets today, need a little uplift on the power & immortality of love.

The media always spreads disinformation when a member of a favored demographic committee a terror attack. This time they claimed he was in a police chase so most people who were paying attention on Sunday evening believe that and won’t look into it anymore.

During the Pulse nightclub aftermath they claimed to e shooter was secretly gay and a frequent visitor of pulse. So most belople believed that and still do and didn’t give it any more though.

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[quote]Biden's spending Thanksgiving with David Rubenstein, the billionaire founder of the creepy Carlyle Group. Not a good look.

Clutching your copy of "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," are you?

Big production number

Safe arrival!

Fully masked…hope he makes it down the runway without a slip. XOX

If the murderer were white, this would be all over the news. These days, there seems to be a reluctance in the media to report on black people who commit crimes.

Unsuspecting good Christian boy is a cutie.

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[quote] During the Pulse nightclub aftermath they claimed to e shooter was secretly gay and a frequent visitor of pulse. So most belople believed that and still do and didn’t give it any more though.

What was the real story?

R123 He was an Islamist terrorist, not formally connected to ISIS but acting on their desire for terror attacks against western degeneracy.

[quote] Rider had no idea of the carnage that had just unfolded in downtown Waukesha and decided he should let the shivering man into his home, remembering a recent sermon his mother had told him about helping the homeless.

[quote] 'So I was like, 'Oh! This was my chance to help somebody. I'm going to warm him up and give him some food,' Rider told CBS.

Fucking yikes. This kid could have got himself killed. Not smart. If he wants to help the homeless he should go volunteer somewhere.

Article in the Post this morning detailing Brooks' racist beliefs and possible association with the Black Hebrew Israelites. Many posts of his online promoted violence against white people.

I would NEVER have felt compelled to help that guy if he’d come to my front door.

In fact when I see a destitute person digging through my recycling bin out front, I usually try to fill a pot with scalding hot water as quickly as possible to dump it out the window on them.

I would have made a call for him but I wouldn't let anyone I don't know into house.

I wonder if Kamala will contribute to his bail fund.

Terrible!^

Biden needs to dump her. Does he need a Vice President? He should run alone in 24.

Kyle Rittenhouse had his phone and social media examined and there were no racist or white supreme style content. That didn’t stop MSM from calling him a white supremist. This guy …crickets.

….white supremist content..

Read the Constitution. She was elected and can’t be dumped.. not until 2024.

Dump her in 24. And no Pete Buttigieg either. He’s just as bad.

[quote]He lied his way into a stranger's house near the parade route by pretending to be homeless

This sort of high trust naiveté is the legacy of Scandinavian immigration to the upper midwest. I can't think of another part of the country where people would let homeless strangers into their houses.

Exactly, R125. That kid was completely naive. I never let anyone I don't know in my house, let alone a "homeless" thug.

Even the wokest, most preening leftists in Seattle would never let homeless people into their houses. Midwesterners are a different breed.

R136, I bet he knows better now.

This is why we can't have nice things. Like a high-trust society. One by one people are being taught by hard experience to hate and mistrust their fellow man.

Brooks wouldn't have hurt that homeowner, though. It was a man. His beef is with females. Doesn't matter their age, he just hates them.

He didn't aim for the male cops, firefighters or EMS. Was "nice" to the male homeowner. The males that he hit in the parade were collateral damage. He was aiming for little girls and old ladies after he had tried running over the mother of child, had previous domestic disputes, etc.

If it was the pretty girl in the homeowner's picture who opened the door to Brooks instead of the guy, he definitely would have killed her.

Imagine how easily he could have been killed, R137. JFC. I can't believe he actually made the guy a sandwich! I hope he's learned something from this without becoming too jaded. He seems like a sweet kid and hopefully he continues to help people in need in SANE ways, not by welcoming a total stranger into his home.

I imagine his mother will be giving him another lecture soon.

[quote] Brooks wouldn't have hurt that homeowner, though. It was a man.

In desperation he may have.

I guess some people are just born without that street survival instinct

R141 Take your meds. A little boy just died and you're trying to blame incels or whatever your pet bogeyman is.

He's a pussy who uses a car as a weapon on pregnant girls, grandmas and kiddies. Guys like that don't go against another man in hand to hand, R142. Because they're fuckin cowards.

Unless the homeowner had a girlfriend or daughter he could threaten, chances are Brooks wasn't going to start nuffin with him.

I mean, he didn't did he?

What, R144? I'm not blaming incels. I posted that I can't believe the homeowner let Brooks, a total stranger, into his house and made him a sandwich.

Garrett Haake was reporting on the do-gooder letting Brooks into his house, making him a sandwich and giving him a coat... by gently shaking his head and saying "ah, folks in Wisconsin"...

R140 What do you think he was planning to do if he got back inside after he saw the cops? He probably would have taken the kid hostage.

I think that kid was incredibly kind to open up his home to a complete stranger, but will come to learn the world is a shitty place, and probably won't do it again. It's really sad that people have become so cynical that they rather let some someone die on the street than come to their aid. Clearly, being part of a community where people look out for eachother and feel safe in their own neighborhoods is a product of a now bygone era. The blame falls on inept or outright corrupt law enforcement that lets criminals loose, a media that preys on social division, increased homelessness due to lack of economic opportunities, lack of assimilation which produces competing cultures, and fewer intact families.

r129 = troll

R98, that quote is used in [italic]V for Vendetta[/italic], so some of us have looked it up before.

You have to be a fucking idiot to open your door to that guy.

Actually, r151, V is for Vengeance.

[quote]Dump her in 24. And no Pete Buttigieg either. He’s just as bad.

Seriously, there isn't ANYONE better than these two??

R151 You know, when that came out I thought it was kind of melodramatic and overblown. Now it seems prophetic.

he were just jogging!

Yes, R156! Preach! I eagerly await the Arbery statues to be placed alongside the Floyd statues.

There's a vacant spot in the NY City Council chambers now that they've removed the Thomas Jefferson statue. Just saying.

Do we know what kind of sandwich he made?

Brooks will get one as well. He is being victimized.

Who will get the $5 mil. together for him? Could that be why Joe is having the rich guy for dinner tomorrow? Set up a tax write off for the donation?

Brooks should have been shot by the police.

The obvious attempts by the far right to make it look as if democrats defend this dirt bag are so desperate that if the story wasn't so horrific and sad, they would be laughable.

R161 They don't defend it, but some of their policies enable it. Chisholm even said that his approach would allow more murderers out on the streets. Democrats are not defending it but they are doing everything they can to make it go away, unlike with Rittenhouse where they continue to stoke racial outrage despite the fact that Brooks has a connection to the Black Israelities. No one was denouncing some BLM activists calling his actions revolutionary. If anything, I'm surprised the right hasn't leapt on this even more, however, it's probably for the best that the right doesn't use the left's evil tactics. Rioting is the domain of criminals and losers, not people who have something to lose.

I wondered about the sandwich too. That whole encounter would make a great little one act play.

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R163, I see a rap musical. "Sandwiches of Justice." Starring Jussie's Subway sandwich and Brooks' sandwich made by Rider.

It opens with a 1960 civil rights sit-in at a Woolworth's counter and the opening number "Where Is OUR Sandwich?"

The showstopper "No More Mayos!" brings down the house just before intermission.

The 11:00 number is a duet between Jussie and Brooks, "My Cold Dead Hands," in which they vow they will never give up their long-promised Sandwiches of Justice.

Lin-Manuel Miranda clears space on his mantel for more Tonys.

I agree with some of what you're saying, R162, regarding going easy in criminals. I'll point out again, though: there are Republicans fighting to renew (and refusing to sign) laws like the Violence Against Women Act. Legislation like that could very well have kept Brooks in jail and prevented what happened. Legislation like that could have prevented a lot of previous mass shootings.

We all need to take a realistic look of how what our representatives are voting for (or not) affect us in real life, instead of on twitter or in scary stories they gin up to frighten us to vote for them because of that one issue.

[quote] I'll point out again, though: there are Republicans fighting to renew (and refusing to sign) laws like the Violence Against Women Act. Legislation like that could very well have kept Brooks in jail

Did republicans prevent imprisoning Brooks because he attempted murder of men ?

The local authorities had MANY reasons to lock up this animal and looked the other way

With his prior domestics, he might not have been released.

He had more than one, including a recent one where he assaulted the mother of his child and ran her over with his car. It also would have strengthened the penalty for sexual assault of a minor. And any offenses committed after that conviction. If the nephew was stalked, harassed or abused, he too would be covered under the laws protection.

It's not just for ladies. That law protects victims and our society from criminals.

His nephew's cute.

R168, as hard as it is to believe, it is considered racist and anti-black to imprison black men even when they have hurt or killed other black men, or black women, or black children.

I've never understood this, but it is an idea that has completely reshaped our justice system in places like WI and NYC, where I live.

R164 Shady article 🤣 $43-a-night casino mentioned multiple times.

R170 Because holier-than-thou liberals can't differentiate between regular black people and criminals. They don't actually see black people as intelligent adults capable of making decisions.

[quote] I see a rap musical. "Sandwiches of Justice." Starring Jussie's Subway sandwich and Brooks' sandwich made by Rider.

What am I, chopped lettuce?

[quote] That law protects victims and our society from criminals.

Oh Smitty you always crack me up

R165 We’ll need a big “MAGA Country” production number.

DL had "What's On Their iPod" threads for virtually every other notable death.

“Someone’s knocking at the door…Someone’s ringing the bell… Do me a favor, open the door… And let him in!” 🎶

R173, the Jussie subplot is the standout with the rat-a-tat rap "Subway Salad."

[italic]Jussie BOYEEEE! Straight outta Chicago! Hold on to ya Subway salad! nooses are loosened no excuses you losing your uses Nigerian bro is a ho but he know where you go now you 'roid 'em, annoyed 'em can't avoid 'em now the DA enjoyed 'em bought the rope, no hope you can't cope you a dope [/italic]

It's democrats who pointed to a connection between violence against women and criminal acts like this dirt bag committed. Democrat's sponsored legislation would have locked him up long time ago if republicans hadn't blocked every bill by Clinton, Obama and Joe Biden. If this dirt bag had been a famous rapper he would, like a couple of other dirt bag rappers did, endorsed Trump.

R161 Unfortunately the Democrats are making it too easy for the right to call them out and look complacent. Biden is spending thanksgiving with a billionaire instead of visiting the families. Kamala and Biden both released statements well after the attacks (and well after Trump did). And, the major liberal news networks of MSNBC and CNN are not covering the story as much as they should. It isn’t even on the front page WI’s biggest newspaper. By trying to make the story go away, they are making it worse.

The Daily Beast is now weighing in. Combatting disinformation without offering much if their own.

Also, my understanding was that he had been connected to the Black Hebrew Israelites and was just a supporter of BLM who wasn't a participating member.

"Your Lives Don't Matter"

Democrats care more about violence against Trans Women than they do about real women.

Yes, he was connected to BHI which got a pass during the Covington chaos. More importantly, why not denounce the BLM activists who called this attack justified in the wake of the Rittenhouse verdict. If Trump could condemn white supremacists at Charlottesville, Biden can certainly denounce their remarks.

Fox Noise has been on the gym TV this week where I'm at, and they want to pin this Waukesha dude to the Democratic party so bad they can taste it.

Standard wingnut echo chamber tactic:

Spin absolute bullshit through right-wing websites (breitbart etc.)

Fox News picks up the bullshit and reports on it like it's confirmed news;

The right wing websites regurgitate the Fox News links as an authoritative source.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

R185 At least Fox News can pretend to be neutral unlike CNN or MSNBC which are full blown propaganda at this point.

R181 If a White Guy wasn’t a member of the KKK, but posted racist and violent anti Black remarks in social media, and then drove his car into a parade in a mainly Black area, do you think he would get the benefit of the doubt? Honest question.

When the Asian massage studio was attacked, it was immediately called a racist attack. This is despite the killer saying it was due to his antisex work stance. Still, most agree (including me) an anti Asian sentiment was a big factor. Why can’t it be the same in this. 6 people, including Grannies and children were murdered by someone who on social media had anti White rhetoric. No one should use this to call any sort of race war. This doesn’t mean that Whites are suddenly an oppressed minority. But why can’t the media just admit that it is very possible that the killers wel documented anti White hate lead to these attacks. Are we THAT indoctrinated as a society? If this isn’t seen as an anti-White attack then WHAT is?

The White House is reaffirming President Joe Biden's call to end cash bail following revelations that Waukesha suspect Darrell Brooks was out on $1,000 bail at the time he allegedly plowed through revelers at a Christmas parade.

Biden issued a sweeping statement on his website during the presidential campaign on ending cash bail.

'Cash bail is the modern-day debtors' prison. The cash bail system incarcerates people who are presumed innocent. And, it disproportionately harms low-income individuals. Biden will lead a national effort to end cash bail and reform our pretrial system by putting in place, instead, a system that is fair and does not inject further discrimination or bias into the process,' his website said.

A White House official defended the policy on Wednesday.

[quote]But why can’t the media just admit that it is very possible that the killers wel documented anti White hate lead to these attacks

It doesn't fit the "everything is Whitey's fault" narrative.

Pretty much every African American is down with the basic idea behind Black Lives Matter. Also being decentralized with leaders who have basically withdrawn from the media has allowed morons in BLM to say shit like this terrorist act was justified and claim they are spokespeople .

Now, the Black Hebrews, that's another story.

Yep R185, obviously this thread is full of right wing loons. Midterm elections are looming and connecting the toxic far left to democrats proved very successful in 2020. Rashida Tlaib just introduced a bill that would ban all prisons and if you'd follow the money on the Squad members you'd find they are sponsored by the same money that fuels the far right. Just like Stein and Sanders were sponsored by the same dirty Russian oligarch money that promoted Trump.

Travis Scott paid his bail.

[quote]Midterm elections are looming and connecting the toxic far left to democrats proved very successful in 2020. Rashida Tlaib just introduced a bill that would ban all prisons

Well, isn't Rashida Tlaib a Democrat?? The toxic far left is part of the Democratic Party, like it or not.

Detroit’s toxic. That’s why she keeps getting elected. Corrupt.

Remember when tons and tons of black twitter followers turned out to be Russian trolls.

The radicalization of the BLM movement

just like the Catalan Independent movement, which had a century old history in Spain, but had never been that radicalized as in recent years (Their leader Carles Puigdemont is clearly a Russian stooge)

and the yellow vest protests in France

are all linked back to Putin's obsession of weakening the West.

^Interesting. But where's the proof?

R193 just proved my point!

-R191

Assange 'split' Ecuador and Spain over Catalan independence

WikiLeaks founder met separatists and tweeted on the issue, which sources say triggered a backlash from Madrid

ulian Assange’s intervention on Catalan independence created a rift between the WikiLeaks founder and the Ecuadorian government, which has hosted Assange for nearly six years in its London embassy, the Guardian has learned.

Sources who spoke on condition of anonymity said Assange’s support for the separatists, including a meeting in November, led to a backlash from Spain, which in turn caused deep concern within Ecuador’s government.

While Assange’s role in the US presidential election has been an intense focus of US prosecutors, his involvement in Spanish politics appears to have caused Ecuador the most pain.

Julian Assange addresses the media outside the Ecuadorian embassy Revealed: Ecuador spent millions on spy operation for Julian Assange Read more The Ecuadorians cut Assange’s internet connection and ended his access to visitors on 28 March, saying he had breached an agreement at the end of last year not to issue messages that might interfere with other states.

France's 'yellow vests' and the Russian trolls that encourage them

Russian social media trolls reportedly helped stoke the 'yellow vest' protests — France's largest demonstrations in years. DW talked to social media experts to find out more.

Nature magazine released a comprehensive report in 2019 on the findings of EU intelligence agencies about Russian interference in Europe.

it basically boils down to this:

1. Russia is the main threat.

2. Russia conducts political influence activities, and the main purpose is to weaken the European Union (EU) and NATO.

3. Russia is targeting populations; their approach is divide and rule.

4. Russia uses minorities, refugees and extremists to further its divide and rule approach.

5. Human intelligence is an important covert tool of influence.

6. Cyber operations are another important covert tool of influence.

7. The energy sector, business and corruption are used as venues for influence.

8. There is an extensive use of allies and front organizations.

9. Russia is reconstructing reality and rewriting history to legitimize itself and undermine others.

10. Military force is the ultimate tool of influence.

R200 Yes, apparently, Russia, with its ability to destabilize the entire west, must be the smartest country in the world. It's no wonder they are leading the world in health, economic recovery, and social mobility. They are all geniuses.

Rashida Tlaib and AOC are dumbasses all on their own, without Russia's help.

The Press has been competing with social media for clicks and relevance. If they were genuinely on the side of truth, or against Russian disinformation, then they wouldn't use the exact same tactics to grow their audience. Yet all the mainstream networks are caught time and time again repeating the same lies that go viral on Twitter. Can't blame Russia for that. Just journalistic malpractice and unethical media standards.

R201 has never heard of the mafia.

If a whole country is a mafia state, like Russia clearly is at this point, it can cause a lot of damage. You got to give it to Putin, unlike R201 he's a very shrewd and clever guy, and Russia always had very good psychologists; he's obsessed with the fact that the Soviet Union collapsed and he wants to bring his crumbling empire or rather what's left of it, back to its former glory. He knows in 30 - 50 years when everybody has moved away from fossil fuels his primary income has dried up and Russia is finished. Like a cornered rat he's fighting for survival. At this stage, he's got enough money to disrupt, bribe, blackmail and assassinate to get what he wants and he gives a flying fig about investing in infrastructure, education, healthcare etc. All the money goes to keeping him and his oligarchs in power.

R184 Biden needs to step in and be a voice of reason. Don't kill each other, make peace not war. Simple shit... or it should be.

R203, the press is just missing the big headlines and subsequent revenue that the 4 chaotic Trump years brought them.

R190 A "go out and murder random people 'cause of the way they look" kind of story? There are a couple BHI followers who have committed rampage killings in the past few years.

R205–if the killer was white, no way would Biden keep it “simple”.

[quote]If Trump could condemn white supremacists at Charlottesville

Did I miss something, r184? When? Where?

R192 Just searched and found nothing. Or did something just whoosh over my head?

[quote]Rashida Tlaib and AOC are dumbasses all on their own, without Russia's help.

Obviously the far leftist movement stated with Bernie Sanders who's both campaigns were boosted with dirty Russian money, who had connections to Russia for decades and who also admitted for decades that he hates democrats.

[quote]Fox Noise has been on the gym TV this week where I'm at, and they want to pin this Waukesha dude to the Democratic party so bad they can taste it.

So tell us, what has Fox News reported about the event that is not true.

[quote] Biden needs to step in and be a voice of reason. Don't kill each other, make peace not war. Simple shit... or it should be

There's too much profit in division and civil unrest. It's easier to solve problems with slogans then actual reform. People also are more motivated to vote against something than for something. As easy as it would be, it would hurt his political donors and create a system of accountability where politicians would be forced to lead by their actions instead of their words.

What if both Wisconsin and Michigan went to Republicans next year.

There was someone on part 2 who knew information from the criminal complaint a couple of hours before it was released.

A friend was raving about a video on Facebook in 2018, on Bernie Sanders talking about how corporations need to get out of political funding.

So I watched the video, in which a young progressive American women starts saying "hey guys, isn't just CRAAAYZEE how Americans keep insisting that Russia is interfering in US politics? Anyways..."

So the video was produced by "Squawkbox", and so I took a look at their org's info on Facebook, informing me they were based in Berlin and were a social media branch of Russia Today.

I pointed this out to my friend who said I don't give a shit, who produced it I believe in the message.

I told him Russia was distributing this as disinformation to split the American left, he called me a corporatist neocon (pro tip: I am not), and it went downhill from there.

R216 Why does anyone care? If you aren't here to talk about Waukesha please leave.

[quote] If you aren't here to talk about Waukesha please leave.

Divert divert divert we must !

CHRIST ALMIGHTY this thread suuuuucks compared to the first one.

Grandma didn't get runover by a reindeer...

Did they say how he lost his jacket and shoes to begin with?

Did he go over to stab someone without being dressed?

R216 is pointing out how subtle and intricate the attack on western democracies by Russia is and also how easy it is to dismiss it as conspiracy theories, simply because people can't comprehend the complexities of those attacks and also because once you're brainwashed it's very difficult to make you see that you are, since that would show that you've been a dumbass all along.

I can’t find anything on “sqwakbox” on google. Except for CNBC. Nothing in regards to Berlin.

CCP China is the REAL threat, not Russia

The Facebook "Russian propaganda" ended up being a huge nothingburger it amounted to a shitty meme that was shared a few hundred times. The idea that Russia is the sole source of propaganda underestimates 1) how evil the FBI, CIA, and the entire US defense industry is, as well as how much $ they have at their disposal 2) underestimates how crazy Americans are.

[quote] Only weeks ago, in Orlando, Florida, 49 wonderful Americans were savagely murdered by an Islamic terrorist. This time, the terrorist targeted our LGBT community. As your president, I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBT citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology. To protect us from terrorism, we need to focus on three things.

At least Trump called it correctly when it came to the Pulse shootings.

Wisconsin, bring back the death penalty. Preferably by firing squad.

Love how Trump threw in "a hateful foreign ideology." Like white Christian Americans haven't been hateful to gays...

[quote] At least Trump called it correctly when it came to the Pulse shootings.

And the media and the FBI both told the public he was wrong even after they knew the truth. Comey's FBI even edited out the Omar's references to serving ISIS.

The FBI on Monday released a partial transcript of the conversations Orlando gunman Omar Mateen had with hostage negotiators and police dispatchers, and their dialogue reinforces that the 29-year-old was at least partly inspired by the Islamic State and intent on inflicting stunning destruction.

The Justice Department did not release a full transcript of all of Mateen’s exchanges with law enforcement, nor did officials provide any audio. Initially, the department redacted references to the Islamic State and its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The decision to do that drew intense criticism from Republicans, some of whom alleged that the administration was trying to minimize the shooting’s connection to the Islamic State.

“Selectively editing this transcript is preposterous,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said in a statement. “We know the shooter was a radical Islamist extremist inspired by ISIS. We also know he intentionally targeted the LGBT community. The administration should release the full, unredacted transcript so the public is clear-eyed about who did this, and why.”

R228 "Hateful"? Perhaps. But in "Christian America", gays have legal protection and freedom unknown those "hateful foreign ideology" countries.

The FBI also hid the Murderer Mateen's accomplice wife for a year. Why was that exactly?

Has any other President made a public vow to protect the LGBT community from hateful ideology including the systemic homophobia and hatred that spews specifically from the black community?

Debra Messing✍🏻 @DebraMessing

Dear Mainstream Media—a man intentionally drove his car through a parade killing 6 and injuring 50+.

It was not an ACCIDENT.

🔥Call it by its name🔥#WaukeshaMassacre

And it was a domestic terror attack.

Don't minimize. Please.

11:24 AM · Nov 24, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

R233 I find this shocking coming from her—color me surprised.

Idiot @ R225, who are you anyway. An ex president even admitted Russia put Trump in the White House.

Robert Mueller said phfffpt to an "ex president".

R233 She's on board! That's encouraging.

This is amazing

^ a more direct link

R238 It's the same link. I don't understand why this was necessary. Did they do this on Sunday?

Washington Post trying to convince their readers that "car rammings" are just a thing now and there's no detail of these attacks which would make them notable:

R240: lots of related posts on the Twitter account of the original poster, Bevo Fox: check it out

R240: I reposted the link so that the second can be played directly on DL, instead of bringing the viewer to Twitter, like the first link at r238

Joe Biden and Dr. Jill in Nantucket. He asked her to suck it. She said, I know I'm your wife. But not on your life. He said, for Christ's sakes at least touch it.

R241, yes, this is not going unnoticed. It's also being framed as an "SUV crash." And headlines are all framing the perpetrator as the SUV. "Survivors report chaos after SUV plows into crowd," etc. Darn those gosh-darned violent SUVs.

Imagine the mockery and outrage if Fox consistently referred to Arbery as having been accidentally killed by a "gun discharge."

This is the same type of cutesy semantic trick we saw in the Virginia races, where people kept insisting that "CRT isn't taught in schools" and then mansplaining that statement condescendingly with a very legalistic, narrow definition of CRT, thinking it would shut complainers up.

I don't think the people engaging in this realize that semantic word games like "an SUV ran over some people" and "CRT is not taught" are not very persuasive to most people. It comes across as gaslighting. Once you realize you're being gaslit, you can't un-see it, and it's enraging.

Good for Paul Ryan at R229.

Where is Nancy Grace with the " true" story?

R245 ....and how do you persuade them to stop? Point out to them that people will stop voting for Democrats.

People getting hurt?

Children being indoctrinated to hate each other?

Not an issue, just elections. Totally without conscience. They don't seem to make a connection between government policies and people's well-being. It's a game.

R248, they don't understand. They can't and WON'T understand.

Trump came along and said, in very plain 3rd grade English, what people were thinking. Yet the media was so shocked when he was elected that they are [italic]still[/italic] reeling. They still refuse to put two and two together.

This is always how populist demagogues get into office. They speak the thoughts of people who feel they've been lied to and cheated and gaslighted.

If the media and the Democratic Party at large don't wake up and acknowledge reality, another populist leader is inevitable. If it's not Trump, it'll be someone else. It's fun and soothing to say Americans are idiots and Trumptards and Nazis and KKKers. We are at risk of soothing ourselve into oblivion.

R245 very well said. It really is gaslighting. Right now it’s the elation over the Arbery verdict. The verdict was correct but the celebration and pontification around it is OTT. If white vigilantes or coos stopped shooting black people tomorrow that would be little to no effect on the record number of black people being killed daily.. No discussion of that allowed.

…cops

[quote] If a White Guy wasn’t a member of the KKK, but posted racist and violent anti Black remarks in social media, and then drove his car into a parade in a mainly Black area, do you think he would get the benefit of the doubt? Honest question.

Democrat leaders and wealthy celebrities would feign outrage, and put on more embarrassing displays like Pelosi in Kente garb, and preach meaningless platitudes for the purpose of cementing their power, and poor and working class communities would be destroyed.

[quote]I don't think the people engaging in this realize that semantic word games like "an SUV ran over some people" and "CRT is not taught" are not very persuasive to most people. It comes across as gaslighting. Once you realize you're being gaslit, you can't un-see it, and it's enraging.

Excellent post R245

[quote]If a White Guy wasn’t a member of the KKK, but posted racist and violent anti Black remarks in social media, and then drove his car into a parade in a mainly Black area, do you think he would get the benefit of the doubt? Honest question.

Absolutely not. The Georgia verdict even overshadowed the Wisconsin massacre. “To hell with those white people!”

I love that a movie from 1944 directed by a gay man is more relevant than ever.

The WaPo had a tweet which described the carnage as having been caused by an SUV. Then Clint Watts on MSNBC said it was an accident.

Joy Reid is apparently unaware this happened. She still hasn't mentioned it.

I'm a Democrat and loyal MSNBC watcher, but this is ridiculous.

Joy Reid comments

R250, and absolutely no discussion of how 5% of the US population is committing just over 50% of the violent crime, almost always against non-blacks. Meanwhile, black academics and talking heads are spouting the most hateful, violence inciting (Maxine Waters I am looking at you) racist nonsense about whites.....and few people say a fucking word. Worse, the NYTs and WaPo publish it!

Is this it? Even DL has moved on?

Seemingly not talking about a traumatic event doesn’t mean all the rage anger and negative emotions have thus disappeared.

No, they are just seething and brewing underneath, getting more and more toxic, and will explode, destructively, when the opportunity presents itself

Why haven't white people started looting, rioting and burning down their own neighborhoods over this?

No updates yesterday because of the holiday.

There are rumors going around on Twitter that Brooks had his bail paid.

Five children still in critical condition:

Schmaltzy local news story about the mood in town on Thanksgiving yesterday.

Heartbreaking

R245 Absolutely right. So my question is, what has to be done to change this? Is it just going to go on this way until the drums of a race war become so loud people take to the streets again?

It is a tragedy, but needs to be called an attack.

[quote] There are rumors going around on Twitter that Brooks had his bail paid.

There was a GFM set up to raise money for his bail. It’s since been shutdown by the platform. Good!

It was a car crash not murder.

Mainstream news sources need to be boycotted.

Watching CNN and MSNBC this morning, it's as if there's some sort of ban on the story. No mention of it.

If it had been white perp/black victims....today would be a day of national mourning.

R265 Truly heartbreaking. The fact that the media refuses to report on this just because the suspect is black shows what scum they are.

The fact that they ignore this story is unfortunate, but it's truly mind blowing how they can continue to be so smug covering the Rittenhouse verdict or giving airtime to AOC and Talib who are arguing for closing down prisons.

I'm watching Jose Díaz-Balart on CNN...every story is about immigrants. Every commercial is 75% black.

Is there any wonder that people say fuck this shit and switch over to Fox?

No wonder CNN has the lowest ratings. I won't watch Fox and pine for a source that straight up reports the news. Editorial/opinion sections are there for a reason.

R266 One silver lining to the Rittenhouse saga is that Republicans have been preaching against rioting and domestic terrorism for more than a year now. They can't turn on a dime and start advocating for violence. They've been borrowing a lot from othe language and talking point of peace activists in the past couple of years.

Conservatives are now also, because of Rittenhouse, strongly versed in the ins and outs of self-defense law so there isn't nearly the chance of someone going vigilante that there could be. Wisconsin's self-defense laws are pretty typical, so they'd essentially apply in most states.

"I'm watching Jose Díaz-Balart on CNN" I meant to say MSNBC

Any station that has Joy Reid and Al Sharpton as commentators is as bad as a station that has Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingram.

R276 It's not that difficult to understand the difference between Rittenhouse and the Arbery case if one bothers to read the facts. The verdict was correct in both cases.

[quote]One silver lining to the Rittenhouse saga is that Republicans have been preaching against rioting and domestic terrorism for more than a year now. They can't turn on a dime and start advocating for violence.

Yes, Republicans are known for their consistent principles.

R279 I hadn't been aware there was a controversy about the Arbery case. I heard about it when it happened, and a self-defense plea seemed shaky just based on the scenario.

I feel like the Rittenhouse case is turning me into a right wing loon. I've never seen such a disconnect between the facts of a case and what the mainstream media projects. Even Colbert had to weigh in with some bs about how the verdict was wrong. Anyone who takes 20 minutes knows the verdicts were both correct.

Who exactly watches MSNBC? It doesn't appear to cover actual news anymore.

R282 Shut-ins who are terrified of the world and want to be lied to. Colbert too.

Colbert is one of the most ass kissing celebrities. He's embarressing.

R 284, imagine being him. What drug cocktail must he be on! Imagine looking in the mirror & realize now not only are you a selll-out, but eunuchized, shucking & jiving performing monkey as well. Man, he must have to fight down the impulse to put his fist through the image of your own degraded face. Guess the drug cocktail must help with that one.

Thanks for the link to the GoFundMe page for those 4 young children, r265 .

It's just heartbreaking what this hate-filled man did because of his animosity towards white people. His media accounts are full of pro-BLM and virulent, anti-white crap. This was no accident!

The media (CNN, NBC/MSNBC, et al) that's been lying about these race-related cases is complicit in this crime, imo. That part is infuriating! They're nothing but propagandists now! They can't be trusted anymore.

R268 I have a feeling that the gofundme for his bail was made by some Republican trying to stir up hatred. Perhaps to be used as a “gotcha” to show gofundme hypocrisy or to stir up more racial hatred. Either way they failed.

R285, I never understood why Colbert got a pass for his venomous comment that Trump was Putin's cock-holster. It just played into every disgusting stereotype that sucking cock is degrading and disgusting and makes a man less of a man, makes him a submissive weakling.

A million metaphors he could have chosen, and he chose one that was blatantly homophobic. And then was cheered for it for weeks. Fuck him.

Because he’s liberal, R288. And a man.

[quote] He's embarressing.

You know what else is embarrassing?

[quote] This was no accident!

—Matt Hooper

[quote] I never understood why Colbert got a pass for his venomous comment that Trump was Putin's cock-holster. It just played into every disgusting stereotype that sucking cock is degrading and disgusting and makes a man less of a man, makes him a submissive weakling.

Wrong, pronoun queen.

Colbert was hilarious when Trump was in office. Now, instead of taking aim at the current administration, he's a cheerleader.

Result? The horrid Gutfeld often beats him in the ratings.

T.V.'s on its way out anyway. Most people get their news online, there are dozens of YouTubers with daily shows who pull bigger numbers than any of the Late Night hosts that are left. Good riddance, T.V. was always shit.

R294 How do they justify their salaries then? I know most Youtubers doing this full time aren't pulling in the big bucks.

Even worse than the hosts are the guests who show up for a few minutes, spout off approved talking points, and get paid an obscene amount of money.

Propaganda pays.

Washington Post shamed into deleting twitter post blaming a SUV for the "tragedy".

The "tragedy" (not "attack") was caused by the SUV. Brooks who?

The media industrial complex has an agenda. They are trying to divide us and its working. The Bezos Post must be shunned just as Murdoch outlets.

The more outrage that's generated, the more ratings and "clicks" they get which translates into more money they can make. Its why FOX was the #1 network for so long. It's not that they were the most truthful or the they worked the hardest to get the stories that needed to be told, it's just they were the best at enraging the greater number of people. Even people who didn't watch them or work for them talk(ed) about them.

News in the age of unchecked, late-stage capitalism.

"Nearly 60% of 749 mass shootings between 2014 and 2019 were either domestic violence attacks or committed by men with histories of domestic violence, a 2020 Bloomberg analysis found. A peer-reviewed academic study released earlier this year had a similar finding: About 59% of the 110 mass shootings analyzed were related to domestic violence."

""Not all domestic abusers are this type of abuser, but in almost every mass shooting or mass killing, the person who committed it had a link to some sort of violence in their intimate partner relationships," said Carmen Pitre, president and chief executive of Sojourner Family Peace Center."

"Shawn Muhammad, associate director of The Asha Project, which serves African American women in Milwaukee, said he was "not shocked at all" to learn about the suspect's history of domestic violence. "When I see violent crimes one of the first things I look for is, I look to see if there is a history of domestic violence. Because there's always an intersectionality between domestic violence and homicides and other other crimes," he said. "So I'm not shocked, I'm not surprised at all.""

""Domestic violence is a predictable crime," Pitre said. "What was unpredictable about Sunday is that nobody knew he would be a mass killer in the way that he was. That’s the piece that is shocking and stunning.

"But he had shown in other instances that he was using violence," she said. "We know that violence will continue repeat in people’s lives until they get held accountable or there some sort of healing.""

[quote]Why haven't white people started looting, rioting and burning down their own neighborhoods over this?

Because we're not garbage people.

R302 She's right.

The Go Fund Me being pulled:

We'll find a way to get him out

Get rid of her.

Black men activists attacked Kamala constantly when she was in the Dem primary because she had been so tough on sticking black men in prison when she was AG. "Kamala the Cop"

I remember some saying on here that black men would not vote for the Biden/Harris ticket because she was "too tough" on black men during her days as AG. IOW, she locked 'em up and was fine if they stayed there.

Personally, it was one of the few things I liked about her.

[quote]Black men activists attacked Kamala constantly when she was in the Dem primary because she had been so tough on sticking black men in prison when she was AG. "Kamala the Cop"

She should have doubled down on her “tough on crime” record and more white suburbanites would have supported her. But instead she was forced to apologize for her career because she chose to be woke and pander to blacks like all Democrats do today.

We have mass killings every day.

R311 We don't, and this one matters.

Bail reform, like Defund the Police and support for BLM, is another losing issue for Dems.

"Defund the police" is such an awful self defeating slogan, you'd think the CIA came up with it to kill BLM.

R310 The issue isn’t “pandering to Blacks”. Blacks are a major voting block for the Dems and they SHOULD have their concerns listened too, at least more than they currently do. However soft on crime isn’t pandering to Blacks. It is pandering to a small but vocal crowd on Twitter. Most Black people want basic police reform but that doesn’t mean releasing criminals back into the community or abolishing the police.

The best part of "Defund the Police" is the constant angry insistence that it not be taken literally. Several times I've had a conversation where someone actually said these words: "Defund the Police" doesn't mean [italic]defund the police![/italic] It just means.... (more money for mental health / better training on how to de-escalate / whatever else it's supposed to mean on a given day)."

Great slogan. All it needs is several paragraphs of explanation on why it doesn't actually mean what it means. Can't see why it's not more popular among the electorate.

[quote]Blacks are a major voting block for the Dems

Oh, dear.

[quote]and they SHOULD have their concerns listened too,

Oh, dear!

Re: R310, Agree. Her record, as it was, didn't deter older blacks or younger black women from voting for the Biden/Harris ticket and highlighting it would only have helped her with whites. The far left bleated it would her work record would doom the ticket (of course, they wanted Bernie or Warren and no one else would suffice!) and they were wrong. As usual.

*bleated that her work record would doom

The two Wisconsin Senators issued a joint statement asking people not to politicize this tragedy. On one hand I respect them for that. Nobody wants to see one tragedy after another distorted by politics. On the other hand the only event people can’t seem to politicize is a black man committing crimes against white people. If a white man had killed 6 blacks women and children flags would be lowered right now.

I don’t respect those senators at all. Get rid of them.

Hopefully Wisconsin votes them out next year. I think Wisconsin is going red, and Michigan too.

Wis. & Mi going red? Duhh Ya think? After Va. & that was minor stuff..This is major. Running down old women & children. Let's just step back for a moment & just look at the words describing this event in black & white...Old women there to entertain & lighten hearts & children to enjoy a parade.

[quote]Bail reform, like Defund the Police and support for BLM, is another losing issue for Dems.

Don't forget Reparations. Elizabeth Warren can't stop herself from bringing it up every time she's in front of a camera.

A similar incident happened recently, but because it's not 'racial' no one is interested.

Democrats need to stay out of office until at least 2035.

Actually, R325, it is because the driver was under the influence. The idiot didn't intend to massacre people. Please tell me the difference between the two incidents is not lost on you.

R325 It's possible there is more to that story than just an evil driver. I live a couple hours from an Amish community, and know people who live around them. They've brought up how they travel on roads at night, without lights (for obvious Amish reasons), and cannot be seen at night. I've heard more than once people bitching about it, reasonably so, that those buggies cannot be seen until you are right up on them, and sometimes, yes, they are on highways, or roads where the speed limit is 45mph or more.

Wisconsin senator Tammy Baldwin not politicizing Ritterhouse

Sen. Tammy Baldwin @SenatorBaldwin

Let's be clear where the blames lies @repvos

. Two people are dead because Kyle Rittenhouse was allowed to walk the streets of Kenosha with an AR-15 and murder them. Stop giving this self-proclaimed, armed militia member a pass.

Democrats are SO disappointing. All of them.

Is there one elected Democrat who still has some integrity when it came to these cases. Or do they all just keep repeating the same proven falsehoods over and over again.

Maybe elected officials don't want to comment for fear of a white supremacist leaning incel deciding to even up the score with their AR-15. I say it's 50-50 that there's retaliation for these Waukesha murders.

I don't know what the Trumpanzees are bleating about on this thread. Do you want a race war? Because it sounds like you want a race war.

[quote]Do you want a race war? Because it sounds like you want a race war.

That would be Democrats. Most definitely.

[quote] I don't know what the Trumpanzees are bleating about on this thread. Do you want a race war? Because it sounds like you want a race war.

I would agree with you, but unless you were one of the few not agitating for a race war during Covington and Rittenhouse, then I'll assume you're being disingenuous.

I was not r334. I didn't follow the Rittenhouse case because it wasn't very clear-cut and I'll admit that I don't know anything about gun laws so I wouldn't have an opinion. I'll assume the jury got it right.

[quote] because she chose to be woke and pander to blacks like all Democrats do today.

r310 They're only about 13%. All the crap Dems do these days pander to the woke, "woke whites (majority)" and blacks and other woke POC.

But black people vote overwhelmingly for Democrats so getting them turn out the vote is a high priority. White people are the majority, but they are older and less likely to change their vote. They are split pretty much evenly, with the ones voting Democrat pushing for a more radical agenda than black people, who tend to be more conservative leaning. Hispanics also tend to lean conservative, which is why identity politics plays such an important role. Culture issues are more effective in ginning up outrage and getting people to vote against their policy preferences.

[quote] They've brought up how they travel on roads at night, without lights (for obvious Amish reasons), and cannot be seen at night.

When I went to Intercourse, Pennsylvania (Amish country), they (Amish people) told us that they weren't allowed to have electricity in their homes--but they all had a phone outside the house (in a kind of a booth) and electric farm equipment, etc. (They also give tours so that tourists like me can ask the same repetitive questions.)

The local gov't should really force them to have lights on their buggies at night--they way that police force bicyclists to.

[quote]black people, who tend to be more conservative leaning

Aka—they don’t support gay rights. At all.

This sort of attitude reminds me of how politicians in Europe from 2012-2015 (when there were a string of absolutely awful terrorist attacks) would downplay the loss of death because they feared a backlash against muslims. And look what happened. It created a far right backlash in Europe. Ignoring the problem makes it worse.

You’re right, R340.

[quote]On the other hand the only event people can’t seem to politicize is a black man committing crimes against white people.

Not quite. You can't comment on Muslims or trannies either. Crimes statistics are now skewed because any man dressed as a woman in the committing of a crime is reported as a woman.

Word

Somethings do come back

I think the opportunity for politicians to advocate against violence or publicly mourn these murders has passed. This is just going to be a festering wound from now on. It will certainly live on in the public imagination in flyover states.

Dropping the ball yet again, leaving it to other people (mostly pastors and conservative commentators) to address the problem.

Get rid of Tammy Baldwin.

I wish we had a political leader who would have the balls to say, ok, enough is enough with the racism on both sides. We can't change the past, but we can change the present and the future; the left condemning white people now for what some of our ancestors did long ago is just as dangerous as what those ancestors did.

Can you believe people wanted her as Biden’s VP? These so-called “centrists” are assholes.

Just an interesting fact. Facebook had to go back and change its hate speech algorithms when a huge number of BLM posts were automatically taken down.

Has Biden or Harris issued a statement?

Nothing since last Monday. There's a news blackout on this. Waukesha PD announced Tuesday they'd stop doing press conferences.

The story is that a car killed 6 people. Once it was determined a black man was the driver, there was no more interest in the story. No NYT Op Ed pieces here. Hopefully (for the MSM) a white man will do something awful to somebody black soon and we’ll hear about it until our ears bleed. I can just see the serious faces on MSNBC lecturing us about white supremacy and violence.

Republicans will win next year and in 24.

Trump should have won in 20.

The silence is deafening.

Furious condemnation was the needed response, not silence.

JFC it's like they want trump again.

[Quote]Get rid of Tammy Baldwin.

R346 Isn't she a lesbian? Classic symptom of Gay/LGBTQ+ politicians.

Yes, R350.

[quote] Has Biden or Harris issued a statement?

Yes. "Thoughts and prayers" to the casualties. Nothing I've seen referencing career criminal women beating Hitler-admiring black racists.

If Darrell had gotten back into that guy's house it would have become a SWAT situation. Just seconds away from terror.

If Woody had gone straight to the police….

They want Trump back. Datalounge wants Trump too.

That’s why you can’t vote for them R356. Too dangerous. Can’t trust them. I don’t at least.

R363: that’s sad

R76 = Frau screams "Oh My God!" 19 times.

Turn down your sound if you watch that 1.

Can't put down her camera to help any1 either...

R81 He "saves" the kid by running it down himself as he gets out of the way of the vehicle?

LOL!

The suspect is kind of a loon.

I had a Sovereign Citizen client once. It made me finally do a deep dive into its origins and it's essentially these con men who everyone can see through except the idiots who claim sovereign citizen status.

One of the orgs in Philly has men who pretend they are lawyers but call themselves "Counsellors" and offer to represent you. Though, of course they can't legally.

After years of this nonsense one of our judges also researched the movement and wrote an extensive court ruling on it so that other judges had a template to quickly knock down these claims when it would appear in their courtroom.