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Modeled drugged and left dumped and dead at hospital

So this is a case that could go either way on here. So a model and her friend went out partying at a "warehouse" in EAST L.A. and went home with some men they just met that night. The model's lifeless body dumped at a hospital and friend brain dead on life support. The husband suspects murder, snuff porn, sex slaves etc since the girl in the coma tested positive for heroin and she "would never do that". There are people theorizing that these women went home with a man seen with"lots of camera equipment" and so that automatically =snuff. The men wore all black, wore baklavas, and had no plates on the car.

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by Anonymousreply 585April 23, 2022 3:09 AM

Meh. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Any woman who goes to a man's apartment she met in a nightclub is looking for sex and or drugs, and willingly takes her chances.

by Anonymousreply 1November 18, 2021 3:27 PM

Would you say that about a man, too r1?

by Anonymousreply 2November 18, 2021 3:29 PM

[quote] The men wore all black, wore baklavas

Sounds like they were some dishy men

by Anonymousreply 3November 18, 2021 3:30 PM

R1 Fuck off troll! How many gay men, myself included, meet strangers on apps? Gay men put themselves in danger for sex all the time.

This poor woman. My heart goes out to her family.

by Anonymousreply 4November 18, 2021 3:31 PM

How is wanting sex with a man you met “playing stupid games?”

by Anonymousreply 5November 18, 2021 3:31 PM

People who produce snuff porn take their victims to the emergency room afterwards?

Any woman who goes home with a man she doesn’t know in the early hours of the morning is stupid, but that doesn’t mean she deserved what she got.

by Anonymousreply 6November 18, 2021 3:33 PM

Just because the victims are women most people will think they deserve what they got for clubbing, taking drugs, and going home with men. Society sucks.

by Anonymousreply 7November 18, 2021 3:34 PM

How touching that they dropped her off in front of a hospital after she stopped breathing. It probably took them an hour to organize the balaclavas.

by Anonymousreply 8November 18, 2021 3:34 PM

[quote]Modeled drugged and left dumped and dead

What kind of crappy thread title is this?

No baklava for OP!

by Anonymousreply 9November 18, 2021 3:35 PM

If one or both were married, I wonder why they did go home with these random men. I wonder if they were already drugged at the club?

by Anonymousreply 10November 18, 2021 3:36 PM

[quote] The men wore all black, wore baklavas, and had no plates on the car.

Those are red flags, right?

by Anonymousreply 11November 18, 2021 3:37 PM

If they were wearing baklavas, they must have left sticky fingerprints all over the crime scene.

by Anonymousreply 12November 18, 2021 3:39 PM

She / they probably OD'd at the club or the after party.

by Anonymousreply 13November 18, 2021 3:40 PM

R12 Baklavas and no plates. Sticky, I’d say!

by Anonymousreply 14November 18, 2021 3:45 PM

People (except maybe for Kanye) don’t just happen to have a collection of balaclavas and black outfits lying around their house, so there must have been some kind of criminal setup from the get go.

by Anonymousreply 15November 18, 2021 3:47 PM

Something just doesn’t add up.

by Anonymousreply 16November 18, 2021 3:47 PM

The model’s concerned team mom is named Dusty Giles.

Make of that what you will.

by Anonymousreply 17November 18, 2021 3:47 PM

[quote] People . . . don’t just happen to have a collection of . . . black outfits lying around their house,

Have you been to NYC?

by Anonymousreply 18November 18, 2021 3:49 PM

It seems the men they were seen with had a predilection for Turkish desserts. That should narrow it down.

by Anonymousreply 19November 18, 2021 3:51 PM

R18 this was in LA

by Anonymousreply 20November 18, 2021 3:52 PM

Look for a person carrying extra weight!

by Anonymousreply 21November 18, 2021 3:53 PM

Amateurs..

by Anonymousreply 22November 18, 2021 3:53 PM

"Model from Alabama" = an OnlyFans escort.

by Anonymousreply 23November 18, 2021 3:58 PM

So the woman had done coke, ketamine, molly, mushroom before. But the family doesn't believe she would ever do heroin?

by Anonymousreply 24November 18, 2021 4:27 PM

Where's the friend?

by Anonymousreply 25November 18, 2021 4:47 PM

Wow, there's a lot going on here.

[quote]Christy Giles's lifeless body was allegedly left by men in balaclavas [bold]driving a Prius with no plates[/bold] at Southern California Hospital in Culver City at 5 p.m. on November 14.

[quote]Surveillance footage recorded the men dumping the body of Hilda Marcela Cabrales-Arzola, 26, outside Kaiser Permanente hospital in West LA two hours later.

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[quote]Dusty Giles, a 49-year-old nurse who lives in Dora near Birmingham, Alabama, said she was convinced her daughter was drugged.

[quote]'My daughter is a military police officer's daughter, her father Leslie served in Iraq,' she told The Sun.

[quote][bold]'My daughters have been taught literally how to kill a person with a ballpoint pen.[/bold]

[quote]'My daughter would have fought like hell and from my understanding from speaking to the emergency room doctor and nurse, they did not see any visible bruises, scratches, or any indication of an altercation.

[quote]'The only way that these men would have kept my daughter and Hilda for over 10 hours would be by giving them drugs, maybe tying them up.'

[quote]'Marcela took a liking to one of these guys. They all left together to go to this party in the Hollywood Hills. But they didn't end up going to that party at all. They ended up at these guys' houses. They left the East LA party at about 4:45am.'

[quote][bold]Dusty Giles said that Cilliers had accessed her phone, and the last text message her daughter sent was at 5.38am on Saturday.

[quote]She told Cabrales-Arzola: 'Let's get out of here,' with the wide eyes emoji, Dusty said.

[quote]Cabrales-Arzola - who had only recently moved from Mexico to LA - replied 'Yes' and said she had called for an Uber.[/bold]

[quote]'That's the last time we know that Christy was alive and able to move and do something of her own free will,' Dusty Giles told The Sun.

[quote]'The girls were obviously not speaking out loud in front of these guys, they were texting each other.

[quote]'I believe they drugged them to keep them and I believe they probably raped them.

[quote]'Maybe throughout the day they had to give them more and more to keep them subdued.

[quote]'These men had them for over 10 hours to clean them up and drop them off.

[quote]'If it was an accidental overdose, why not call 911?

[quote]'Why do you wait 10 hours until she is dead to fling her on a sidewalk, remove your license plates, obscure your face?

[quote]'It doesn't track, it's not logical.'

Not just any car with no plates, a Prius. This reminds me of the show Weeds, one of the drug dealers drove a Prius because they're common and quiet.

by Anonymousreply 26November 18, 2021 4:47 PM

Hopefully they post the snuff film so we can see. Will be so fun!

by Anonymousreply 27November 18, 2021 4:48 PM

She was an Instagram model, this is her last post

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by Anonymousreply 28November 18, 2021 4:50 PM

The husband.

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by Anonymousreply 29November 18, 2021 4:53 PM

[quote] There are people [bold]theorizing [/bold]that these women went home with a man seen with"lots of camera equipment" and so that automatically =snuff. The men wore all black, wore baklavas, and had no plates on the car.

That's the problem these days: Too much theory, not enough facts.

by Anonymousreply 30November 18, 2021 4:55 PM

R28 she looks high or on something there. Being an instragram "model" with a husband who photographs you, is not really a model with an agency contract, now is it?

It screams "for sale" to me.

by Anonymousreply 31November 18, 2021 4:55 PM

Reminds me of the doctor I. New York who was married with 3 kids and a former America’s junior Miss winner who went out to party with some guys and she overdosed and they left her in front of an apartment building.

by Anonymousreply 32November 18, 2021 5:16 PM

It sounds like they thought they were going up to party at some lavish Hollywood Hills home, and ended up in some sketchy apartment instead.

by Anonymousreply 33November 18, 2021 5:43 PM

I actually appreciate OP summarizing the story in his own words, despite the baklava vs. balaclava. IMO, it's hard to sift through endless quotes from a news story. Nice to have a brief, factual summary.

by Anonymousreply 34November 18, 2021 6:00 PM

A few years ago she was roommates with my favorite obscure retired gay porn twink Skylar Starr (who I'm guessing no one here has ever heard of). She posted something about how cool it was to live/be friends with a gay porn star.

That being said, she was apparently a 'real' model, as in signed with a modeling agency, and got to model actual clothes every once in a while. She really didn't have a lot of followers though, circa 16k before her death.

by Anonymousreply 35November 18, 2021 6:37 PM

Apparently one of the perpetrators has been identified as Dave Pearce aka Dave Bryant. He appears to have ties to Ron Jeremy and, according to one comment I read, lives with 3 porn stars (women I suppose), and 'likes to get fucked up the ass by black trannies'.

It's weird though; you see his name floating around social media, but DM et al. aren't naming names yet. Why not? Am I missing something here? People are accused of horrible, yet to be proven crimes all the time. And why were the husband and family so quick to hire a private investigator?

Something is odd about this whole story.

by Anonymousreply 36November 18, 2021 6:42 PM

I'm guessing fentanyl was involved.

by Anonymousreply 37November 18, 2021 6:46 PM

Can you provide a link, R36?

I looked up the names you mentioned and the only thing I found with the two of them together is a site that reports phone numbers. There are reports from 2012, 2013, 2016, 2020 and yesterday.

[quote]December 26, 2020: Dave Pearce is a low level thief, con artist, shoplifter, drug dealer and HIV positive dirt bag. He will eventually be killed or locked up. Stay away from this loser.

[quote]January 25, 2013: (DAVE) DAVID PEARCE IV, IS A DRUG DEALER, THIEF, SCAM ARTIST, LIER. IF YOU EVER HAVE CONTACT WITH HIM GO THE OTHER WAY! DOB IS 02/17/1979. WHITE MALE, 5"3 SPIKED BLACK HAIR, THIN AROUND 150LB , LIVES IN. CALIFORNIA HE WILL BULL S H - T AND STEAL FROM YOU. DO NOT TRUST HIM EVER!!! HE SAYS HE WORKS FOR PARAMOUNT PICTURES WHICH IS NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH. DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS!!!!!

Today someone from the Daily Mail commented under the the posts. (11/18/2021)

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by Anonymousreply 38November 18, 2021 7:11 PM

R38, it's in the comments under the husband's most recent Facebook post. You probably need an account to read them.

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by Anonymousreply 39November 18, 2021 7:15 PM

What happened Christy Giles and her friend is tragic beyond belief. And the text messages do make it sound like there was foul play involved. That being said, something is off about this aggressive pushing of a certain narrative by the husband. For the first few days after her death, no 'official' sources from the LA/SoCal area reported on it. I couldn't find any short, factual news item along the lines of, 'Young woman found dead near hospital of suspected drug overdose ... victim was later identified as Christy Giles, 24 ...'. . But fast forward a few days and the story is ALL over the news; with long-winded articles full of lurid scenarios that treat the husband's theories pretty much as fact. Strangely though, none of these articles mention the alleged perpetrators' names, despite claiming they have been identified.

by Anonymousreply 40November 18, 2021 8:29 PM

Even though the mother says Christy was very open about her recreational drug use, partying etc., I think the family is probably in denial about her lifestyle and the circles she run in. She was signed with an agency and appears to have had some legit modeling jobs, but they were probably few and far between. Most of her recent posts were 'glamour shots' taken by her husband and other relatively unknown photographers. No designer/brand etc. tagged. She was traveling a lot, posted photos from yachts and glamourous vacations that I doubt her model salary and his earnings as a photographer would have paid for. Before her marriage, she had a roommate who did porn and escorted, and thought it was exciting. That girl was no stranger to the seedy side of Hollywood.

None of this means that she deserved to be killed, or make it any less tragic if this was yet another accidental overdose.

by Anonymousreply 41November 18, 2021 8:31 PM

[quote]the girl in the coma tested positive for heroin and she "would never do that".

Sure Jan.

by Anonymousreply 42November 18, 2021 8:40 PM

This is like a real life version of Vally of the Dolls!

by Anonymousreply 43November 18, 2021 8:44 PM

Something is definitely, off, R40. Opposites attract but if this information is accurate these two women were very different, I wonder how they met.

[quote]Cabrales-Arzola, is reportedly a 26 year old Mexican architect who obtained her degree from Universidad de Monterrey, in San Pedro Garza García, Mexico.

[quote]Since November 2019, she has worked as the Lead project manager in execution at Atrio Interiores, according to her employment profile.

[quote]According to her profile, she was attempting to relocate to Canada and has been learning how to code to "expand [her] opportunities."

[quote]”My main goal is to fully migrate to Canada, and establish there, I love the country and the opportunities it offers, I'm a very versatile person who can easily adjust to new circumstances, I love to learn, and I'm open to learning all kind of new skills," she wrote.

From the Independent:

[quote]According to an online employment page, Ms Cabrales-Arzola got a scholarship to pursue her degree, which she completed cum laude, she was also the lead project manager at architecture and design company Atrio Interiores.

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by Anonymousreply 44November 18, 2021 8:53 PM

Her husband did it, and concocted some elaborate murder-for-hire scheme.

by Anonymousreply 45November 18, 2021 9:01 PM

If you shaved the hair off every female models head, they all look the same, and all look fugly. Whereas men, even when bald, still look different to each other. Female models are so fucking trash and clones of each other.

by Anonymousreply 46November 18, 2021 9:02 PM

Did she even have Kaiser insurance?

Kaiser is a closed system and they don't provide care for non Kaiser members.

by Anonymousreply 47November 18, 2021 9:11 PM

[quote]Her husband did it, and concocted some elaborate murder-for-hire scheme.

Some articles say husband and others say fiance, maybe he was a... what's a nice way of saying pimp? He kept tabs on her via her phone's GPS and he had her iCloud login information, that's not usually indicative of a good relationship.

[quote]When Cillers woke up in San Francisco while visiting his father, he texted his wife good morning. He grew concerned when he she never responded and noticed that she was at the same address all day, which he did not recognize.

[quote]Around 5 p.m. on Saturday he saw that Giles' location had moved to a hospital. He frantically began calling the hospital for information and then called her parents in Alabama for help.

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[quote]Cillers, who has accessed Giles' text messages via iCloud, said: 'I've got all the messages that she exchanged with anybody else that night

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by Anonymousreply 48November 18, 2021 9:20 PM

Yes it was very stupid of her to go home with a stranger late at night after clubbing. Have I done it? Yes. Many times I've gone home with strangers to their place. Is it smart? No it's very stupid. But we do it anyway playing Russian roulette hoping the guy doesn't turn out to be a psycho behind that attractive smile.

by Anonymousreply 49November 18, 2021 9:24 PM

[quote]Yes it was very stupid of her to go home with a stranger late at night after clubbing. Have I done it? Yes.

And I still appreciate you.

That night was hot.

by Anonymousreply 50November 18, 2021 9:34 PM

Somethings off. Is it 100% proven there “husband” (super creepy vibes) was in San Fran? He sees her locale is not moving and doesn’t find it odd? He then sees her at hospital? He could’ve called her and realized she’s not moved from the same place for hours and she’s not answering his calls so call THE COPS! I think he wore the baklava (ha!) and a night of drugging and weird sex shit ended in ODing and the Mexican smart chick with way too many names wanted no part of their sketch lifestyle so she was drugged. Idk just weird shit

by Anonymousreply 51November 18, 2021 9:35 PM

Poor guy, but the husband looks a little like Macaulay Culkin during his strung-out, long-haired phase.

by Anonymousreply 52November 18, 2021 9:37 PM

They went to a place in East LA? East LA?

Right there is a RED LIGHT! DUUUUUUUUH, CUNTS !!!!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 53November 18, 2021 9:41 PM

The husband looks skeevy as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 54November 18, 2021 9:44 PM

Small tits for an Instagram model

by Anonymousreply 55November 18, 2021 9:49 PM

How horrific

by Anonymousreply 56November 18, 2021 9:49 PM

This is Los Angeles now! All you tards out there who think of coming over to make a career here just don't do it. LA is very risky place if you lack common sense.

by Anonymousreply 57November 18, 2021 9:52 PM

R24 I’d say its very common for people to do all those other drugs but not do heroin. I put them in two entirely different categories.

by Anonymousreply 58November 18, 2021 9:54 PM

Heroin in California tends to be black tar which is spoked rather than injected. Fentanyl has been replacing it as it is cheaper and easier to use and turns up in other drugs.

by Anonymousreply 59November 18, 2021 10:00 PM

All the tributes on social media describe her as a 'joyous', happy-go-lucky person who'd light up every room with her smile and so on and so forth, and the husband describes their marriage as 'fairy-tale' (of course he does), but her twitter paints a very different picture. Lots of posts about mental health, trauma, 'crying in the back of an uber' etc., especially in the last few weeks/months. Now, it could have been just navel gazing from a self-absorbed young person, but to me it seems like she was going through something. I've been following her for a while (I'm the stalker-y loser obsessed with her former porn star roommate...), and I'd say her posts took a turn for the dark.

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by Anonymousreply 60November 18, 2021 10:12 PM

You think that is bad, you should see what they did to me.

by Anonymousreply 61November 18, 2021 10:16 PM

Only one overdosed model lies before me. Lays? Lies?

by Anonymousreply 62November 18, 2021 10:17 PM

Modeled drugged and left dumped and dead at hospital

So an ESL or illiterate sparkle pony reads the Daily Fail. So he, or likely she, is distraught and needs to share the grim story with someone, ANYONE, so she writes this headline. So there is the headline!

by Anonymousreply 63November 18, 2021 10:20 PM

R60 did she ever mention her husband or being married in twitter?

by Anonymousreply 64November 18, 2021 10:29 PM

[quote] Heroin in California tends to be black tar which is spoked rather than injected.

Ewww. I can’t imagine seeing that shit and saying “yeah. Lemme smoke that!” Its name is black tar for gods sake.

by Anonymousreply 65November 18, 2021 10:33 PM

I thought the girls were Russian at first because they remind me of Mel Gibson's Russian baby mama .

by Anonymousreply 66November 18, 2021 10:34 PM

They’re kind of fat for models.

by Anonymousreply 67November 18, 2021 10:39 PM

Yes, she did, R60. To be fair it was mostly nice stuff ... cutesy little stories about him always being late or that him being a good driver is sexy to her etc. She also shared some passive agressive posts about 'toxic people', or being there for someone who wouldn't do the same for her, but who knows who those were directed at.

by Anonymousreply 68November 18, 2021 10:44 PM

Some people don't need an excuse to be crazy and unstable they just have a chemical imbalance.

by Anonymousreply 69November 18, 2021 10:46 PM

who is the former roommate pornstar worth stalking? Thanks, hun.

by Anonymousreply 70November 18, 2021 10:48 PM

Based on her Twitter she seems like she was a genuinely nice person.

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by Anonymousreply 71November 18, 2021 10:50 PM

While not a raving beauty, Ms. Giles is attractive and has a bangin' body. It seems she could do better than the husband/fiance, so maybe he really was her "business manager."

by Anonymousreply 72November 18, 2021 10:50 PM

She dated a gorgeous biracial guy before meeting her husband. I'd have to go waaay back on her twitter to find a pic of him, but I remember he was really hot.

by Anonymousreply 73November 18, 2021 11:13 PM

Here's Skylar Starr. I'm guessing that the name "Skylar" was the proto-"Jayden"---he looks like an acquired taste or guilty pleasure. Bleached blonde is rarely a good look, esp. on someone who looks like the typical skinny twink in Atlanta from bumfuck Alabama.

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by Anonymousreply 74November 18, 2021 11:14 PM

[quote]Heroin in California tends to be black tar which is spoked rather than injected.

You do it on a bicycle?

by Anonymousreply 75November 18, 2021 11:14 PM

Lol, you found the absolute WORST pic of him, R74.

But I'm well aware he's not what the average DLer would consider attractive. From the hair to the eyebrows and tattoos... he's the prototype of DL anti-fav.

by Anonymousreply 76November 18, 2021 11:17 PM

They obviously knew something was dangerous with the text “let’s get out of here” and the friend texting that she’ll call an Uber.

The must have been forcibly restrained and then drugged . They keep them 10 hours, so god knows what they did to them and probably filmed them. Really nasty shit.

Nobody deserves this. Fucking rotten-inside people.

by Anonymousreply 77November 18, 2021 11:18 PM

More flattering pic. And yes, he is a drug addict, obviously. If it hasn't happened yet, he's probably overdosing as I type this.

He was Christy's roommate in 2016 - 2018ish. Not sure how close they were, but she mentioned him a few times on her twitter, said it was cool to have a porn star roommate etc.

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by Anonymousreply 78November 18, 2021 11:24 PM

It's the two final texts between the girls that make me think that whatever their drug use was in day-to-day life, something was offered or implied that was obviously either dangerous, illegal or a combination thereof.

I wonder if they can find the Uber call.

by Anonymousreply 79November 18, 2021 11:25 PM

I'm going out on a limb, but where was Alex/c Murdaugh last night?

That porker can walk through walls Fred-Kruger style.

by Anonymousreply 80November 18, 2021 11:25 PM

R76: Well here is enjoying BBC. In all honesty, the pics I saw all made him look like some tweakeout Atlanta twink.

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by Anonymousreply 81November 18, 2021 11:27 PM

R81, the dude looks a bit like Alan Cumming and that dude who played the penguin on Gotham somehow fell into a cloning machine set to "Faintly Tastes of Vanilla".

by Anonymousreply 82November 18, 2021 11:29 PM

That's the last video he ever did, R81. I agree he looks bad. Unhealthy. It's even worse now, I'm afraid.

I like that one Blackonboys video he did with Deepdic, they had great chemistry. But the group stuff is horrible. You can tell he is on drugs, in pain (despite the drugs), and doesn't want to be there.

by Anonymousreply 83November 18, 2021 11:31 PM

He doesn't look much better with Deepdicc

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by Anonymousreply 84November 18, 2021 11:37 PM

Looks like the Daily Mail is trying to make her the next Gabby Petito. I knew they'd love this story. Models, drugs, snuff porn ... what more could you ask for?

by Anonymousreply 85November 18, 2021 11:38 PM

[quote]The husband suspects murder, snuff porn, sex slaves etc

And I suspect the husband.

by Anonymousreply 86November 18, 2021 11:40 PM

Why not both, R86?

by Anonymousreply 87November 18, 2021 11:42 PM

I'm surprised they didn't dredge-up Skylar for comment. The husband seems like a sleaze who'd be involved somehow.

by Anonymousreply 88November 18, 2021 11:42 PM

R84, as I said, I knew most of you wouldn't get what I see in him. The hair, eyebrows and tattoos are sad, and he does look a bit peculiar from certain angles, but none of that matters to me. It's those FAT, juicy, beautifully curved lips, his submissive energy and the way he DEVOURS cock (esp. foreskin!)

by Anonymousreply 89November 18, 2021 11:46 PM

Someone donated $5000 to her gofundme ... anonymously. A former 'mentor' maybe?

by Anonymousreply 90November 18, 2021 11:50 PM

A warehouse sounds like an unreputable sex club.

by Anonymousreply 91November 18, 2021 11:52 PM

Definitely someone with a guilty conscience.

by Anonymousreply 92November 18, 2021 11:52 PM

The husband, like a true pimp, is milking is hoe for every last cent. Why else do you need a gofundme for a dead person? You can just donate the body, and have a memorial service in a drug den.

by Anonymousreply 93November 18, 2021 11:54 PM

she's obviously a whore.

by Anonymousreply 94November 19, 2021 12:01 AM

this has been played out in many movies and tv shows.

by Anonymousreply 95November 19, 2021 12:02 AM

She came across as a typical woke Gen Z girl, but got married at 21 or 22 to a guy who appears to be much older. Pretty odd if you ask me.

by Anonymousreply 96November 19, 2021 12:04 AM

Disgusting skank. Good riddance.

by Anonymousreply 97November 19, 2021 12:04 AM

Partying during a pandemic is stupid and dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 98November 19, 2021 12:08 AM

a nice girl would never pose that picture online for the world to see. she's a whore, she's showing off her goods. therefore, it's a risk she took willingly...she probably died doing what she loved. no need to feel sorry for her.

by Anonymousreply 99November 19, 2021 12:09 AM

So this is a case that could go either way on here. So a model and her friend

So you type retarded, OP

by Anonymousreply 100November 19, 2021 12:10 AM

What's wrong with LA? Too close to Mexico and drug trafficking? On top of the easily manipulable, desperate for fame sexy people?

by Anonymousreply 101November 19, 2021 12:19 AM

[quote] lead project manager at architecture and design company Atrio Interiores

Just like me! I architect and design! I lead on many project. I graduate before finishing one semester because I so good at architecting and design.

by Anonymousreply 102November 19, 2021 12:19 AM

Well, R101, how much time do you have?

by Anonymousreply 103November 19, 2021 12:20 AM

And I also immigrate to conchy I loves because I versatile

by Anonymousreply 104November 19, 2021 12:21 AM

So, I guess I'm an old news, aren't I?

by Anonymousreply 105November 19, 2021 12:23 AM

In one of the Daily Mail photos the husband is wearing a caftan.

by Anonymousreply 106November 19, 2021 12:28 AM

R103, well, I'm a DL regular, so lots.

I'm actually a third generation Angeleno (long gone), but it just seems so much worse now... any patina of glamour is also long gone. Even the "rich" celebrities present themselves as trailer park trash (Kardashians).

by Anonymousreply 107November 19, 2021 12:36 AM

[quote] What's wrong with LA?

Beats me -- I'm still wondering the same thing!

by Anonymousreply 108November 19, 2021 12:37 AM

Move over, bitch at R108...

by Anonymousreply 109November 19, 2021 12:38 AM

[quote]Prior to her sudden death, the 24-year-old Los Angeles model tied the knot with Jan Cilliers.

Yes, it would have been awkward if they'd gotten married afterward.

by Anonymousreply 110November 19, 2021 12:39 AM

I’ve never gotten the appeal about L.A. I’ve heard really good things about it but I’ve also heard it wasn’t very fun. I’ve known a few people who moved to L.A. and came back defeated.

by Anonymousreply 111November 19, 2021 12:49 AM

She was partying with some rich Arabs who had their people dump her. They had balacavas because their people are prepared for nasty shit to go down and know how to take care of it. The prius doesn't quite fit my theory.

by Anonymousreply 112November 19, 2021 12:54 AM

Geez, this story has really blown up. It even inspired a Crazy Days and Nights blind. And Christy Giles was post-humously promoted to the A-List (by some commenters at least)!

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by Anonymousreply 113November 19, 2021 2:58 AM

This reminds me of that other IG “model” and “influencer” who was a “sweet” “free spirit” with shady friends and a much older controlling husband who wound up dead. Lots of them, actually.

I feel so bad for their parents, who are powerless to stop their daughters’ horrible demise.

by Anonymousreply 114November 19, 2021 3:20 AM

I realize it's very easy to criticize the victims because of their perceived lifestyle.

But the last text messages (if real) suggest that they were unwilling participants who knew a bridge had been crossed.

The dead girl is an easy "moralizing" target, but her companion seemed to have her head screwed on and a career and life before her. Neither one of them in any way deserved this and that should go without saying.

The whole thing is horrific.

And I don't trust the husband any more than I do/did that Murdaugh pig.

by Anonymousreply 115November 19, 2021 3:23 AM

[quote]R33 It sounds like they thought they were going up to party at some lavish Hollywood Hills home, and ended up in some sketchy apartment instead.

And thus it ever was.

[italic]Welcome to Hollywood!

by Anonymousreply 116November 19, 2021 4:40 AM

Sounds like she put out before dinner again.

by Anonymousreply 117November 19, 2021 7:04 AM

The hubby arranged the 'date' - betcha.

by Anonymousreply 118November 19, 2021 8:29 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if you turn out to be right, R118.

Especially if she was thinking of leaving him.

by Anonymousreply 119November 19, 2021 9:09 AM

R113 Has anyone been to Soho House? What's it like?

by Anonymousreply 120November 19, 2021 9:42 AM

If he’s her husband, he’s next of kin. The hospital would have told him his wife’s status before they’d tell her parents. Spouse trumps all other relationships, which is why gay marriage has been so important.

Also, Christy pings. (Or did, RIP.)

The third woman is a mystery. The husband is sus.

by Anonymousreply 121November 19, 2021 10:04 AM

Somehow I missed the part where the police give any sort of statement. And what the actual cause of death was. I’m assuming OD because no observable bruising, allegedly.

This sounds very similar to the Alexis Sharkey murder.

by Anonymousreply 122November 19, 2021 10:21 AM

Hiring a P.I. now is actually a good move.

Right now is the best time to collect evidence & interview people. Like asking for Ring videos from neighbors that will be deleted later.

If the police show no interest in the case later, it's hard for a P.I. to just pick up the case months/years later when pieces of evidence are gone, witnesses are hard to track down, people no longer remember things, etc.

by Anonymousreply 123November 19, 2021 10:25 AM

Tweets are protected now, but stories still being posted to her instagram. Looks like the husband had the passwords to all her social media.

Interestingly, her instagram username was changed from chrsty.x to christygilesx shortly before her death. I'd say less than a week before it happened. Maybe even after her death? And now this massive media campaign ... hmmmm.....

by Anonymousreply 124November 19, 2021 12:41 PM

An "x" in the handle usually means porn......

by Anonymousreply 125November 19, 2021 12:47 PM

[quote] Also, Christy pings. (Or did, RIP.)

According to some of her tweets, she identified as bi, queer, LGBTQ or whatever.

by Anonymousreply 126November 19, 2021 12:48 PM

R126....LGBTQ or just anything that moves?

by Anonymousreply 127November 19, 2021 12:49 PM

[quote] wore baklavas

They wore Greek pastries?

by Anonymousreply 128November 19, 2021 12:52 PM

LOL, R127, all I can tell you is that she posted something about Pride Month, along the lines of, 'Straights never experienced oppression like we did'. She didn't use a label. I still rolled my eyes at it tbh.

There's also a photo of her kissing a woman on instagram I think.

by Anonymousreply 129November 19, 2021 12:53 PM

[quote] According to some of her tweets, she identified as bi, queer, LGBTQ or whatever.

She identified as a prostitute. Which means: I'll have sex with anyone for money.

by Anonymousreply 130November 19, 2021 1:53 PM

wait, is the dead woman from mexico? maybe she married the husband for green card? he gets a beard? win, win?

by Anonymousreply 131November 19, 2021 2:18 PM

God, this media circus is getting ridiculous. She has one of those inspirational quotes on her instagram saying, 'The grass isn't greener on the other side, it's greener where you water it', and THE SUN is calling it 'a chilling reference to the other side'.

But to answer the urging question posed in the article, it was put there long before her death.

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by Anonymousreply 132November 19, 2021 2:19 PM

The woman who's still in a coma is Mexican. It sounds like she is pretty much braindead.

by Anonymousreply 133November 19, 2021 2:22 PM

How is the designer friend doing? Hasn’t she been brain dead for 6 days now? Is there a chance for her to get better?

by Anonymousreply 134November 19, 2021 2:22 PM

They'll probably wait a few more days and then take her off life support if there's no improvement, like they did with DMX. Unfortunately, from what I've heard about such cases, it would take a miracle for her to make even minimal progress.

by Anonymousreply 135November 19, 2021 2:28 PM

Update. Now they're finally naming names.

This Dave Pearce character is quite handsome in a sleazy fuckboy-ish sort of way. And there are photos of him with celebrities like Paris Hilton on gettyimages. I could see why a young woman hoping to make it in the entertainment industry would want to hang out with this guy.

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by Anonymousreply 136November 19, 2021 2:35 PM

[quote] Meh. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

So does that apply to Matthew Shepard too, mouthbreather?

I met Christy twice. There is literally no way she would have ever put heroin in her body. She was a magical person and that’s no exaggeration.

She was with a friend newly arrived from Mexico and the friend had some interest in a guy she had met. Christy was married but there’s no way she would have been a stick in the mud and dragged her friend away — how was she to know she aaa going to be daterape drugged?

by Anonymousreply 137November 19, 2021 3:00 PM

[quote] She was a magical person and that’s no exaggeration.

A “magical person” isn’t an exaggeration?

[quote]how was she to know she aaa going to be daterape drugged?

Oh, is that what happened? Glad the facts are out already.

🙄

by Anonymousreply 138November 19, 2021 3:51 PM

[quote] no need to feel sorry for her.

Her? Perhaps not. The fact that no one taught you capitalization makes me feel sorry for you, though.

by Anonymousreply 139November 19, 2021 3:52 PM

R36, I just googled Dave Pearce aka Dave Bryant with interesting results..

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by Anonymousreply 140November 19, 2021 4:01 PM

R38, Damn, I missed your results!

by Anonymousreply 141November 19, 2021 4:03 PM

[quote] What's wrong with LA?

Our fine city specializes in sordid and sleazy murders and deaths.

by Anonymousreply 142November 19, 2021 5:02 PM

I’ve cast the Netflix movie: Hubby should be played by Tom Hiddleston and Christy IS Anna Taylor-Joy (she will have to pack on a few pounds)

by Anonymousreply 143November 19, 2021 6:37 PM

R136 the "hot" pic of the possible killer is from 2009.

If I heard someone moaning in pain in a neighboring apartment, I'd at least call 911.

The husband pings to Saturn.

by Anonymousreply 144November 19, 2021 6:39 PM

The mother’s comments are strange to me, why would she assume all that?!? It’s just not necessary. She sounds nutty.

by Anonymousreply 145November 19, 2021 8:01 PM

R145 Her daughter is a POLICEMAN'S DAUGHTER! She knows better!!!

by Anonymousreply 146November 19, 2021 8:11 PM

Mother is from Alabama and possibly a Q Anon frau..

by Anonymousreply 147November 19, 2021 8:13 PM

“Even though we live in Alabama and we have a different outlook on things, she had no reason to lie to her husband and her best friends in California.”

by Anonymousreply 148November 19, 2021 8:19 PM

Husband/pimp is uglee!

by Anonymousreply 149November 19, 2021 8:31 PM

[quote] A “magical person” isn’t an exaggeration?

I feel sorry for you that you have to ask that question, emoji boy.

by Anonymousreply 150November 19, 2021 8:40 PM

Both women look like hookers.

“High class” hoes used to give out business cards with their name, phone and their profession in case wifey finds it. Their professions? Interior design. Architect. Business management. But “interior designer” was the favorite, because it was an in-joke.

by Anonymousreply 151November 19, 2021 8:52 PM

Hilda Marcela Cabrales' LinkedIn.

She spoke Korean.

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by Anonymousreply 152November 19, 2021 9:42 PM

Her parents call her Marcela.

The interview is in Spanish.

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by Anonymousreply 153November 19, 2021 9:43 PM

Was she a real architect? Or was she a “Melania” style architect?

by Anonymousreply 154November 19, 2021 9:51 PM

That guy looks like a sleazeball.

by Anonymousreply 155November 19, 2021 10:09 PM

Buck would have never been drugged and killed for a snuff film.

by Anonymousreply 156November 19, 2021 10:28 PM

If it was a snuff film, they wouldnt have dropped their bodies at the hospital. They would have been chopped up and disposed of.

Now the police have a lot evidence from the bodies. (DNA etc) ,

by Anonymousreply 157November 20, 2021 12:58 AM

Well, they did pick Kaiser and these two seem out of network.

by Anonymousreply 158November 20, 2021 1:30 AM

"Dave Pearce" aka Dave Graniterock"???

Was that his Flintstones name?

by Anonymousreply 159November 20, 2021 1:42 AM

Anyone doing a legit snuff or torture film would ensure the bodies were never found.

by Anonymousreply 160November 20, 2021 1:43 AM

[quote] Anyone doing a legit snuff or torture film would ensure the bodies were never found.

And that's why, if legit (?) snuff films exist, they are rumored to be made in Southeast Asia, South America, or Russia. Definitely not in North America. But, hey, such speculations will give Websleuths/QAnon fraus something to squeeze their clits to.

by Anonymousreply 161November 20, 2021 1:47 AM

they used to be rumored to be made in Mexico.

by Anonymousreply 162November 20, 2021 2:09 AM

I believe it. Women are treated like garbage in Mexico

I listened to a good podcast on the Juarez murders of young women. Over 300 young women were raped, murdered and tortured over 2 decades.

From the police to cartel and everyone in between are culpable

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by Anonymousreply 163November 20, 2021 2:16 AM

That is horrifying.

by Anonymousreply 164November 20, 2021 2:48 AM

Here’s a link to the podcast.

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by Anonymousreply 165November 20, 2021 2:58 AM

[quote]R160 Anyone doing a legit snuff or torture film would ensure the bodies were never found.

Clearly it was not one of the [italic]better[/italic] snuff films.

by Anonymousreply 166November 20, 2021 3:06 AM

"a nice girl would never pose that picture online for the world to see. she's a whore, she's showing off her goods. therefore, it's a risk she took willingly...she probably died doing what she loved. no need to feel sorry for her."

Do gay men killed by grindr tricks deserve to die because they weren't "nice"?

by Anonymousreply 167November 20, 2021 3:16 AM

More likely, she was a a dumb whore. When they go out with a clients, sex workers usually let someone know when and where they're going. They also usually have "limits" around when and where they'll go and with whom.

by Anonymousreply 168November 20, 2021 3:20 AM

As reported Wednesday by KNBC in Los Angeles.

I couldn't watch it again, but I remember the husband saying something along the lines of not being able to smell her hair again.

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by Anonymousreply 169November 20, 2021 4:22 AM

The Soho House is really becoming trashy if they would let this lot in.

by Anonymousreply 170November 20, 2021 4:50 AM

I wonder if this is the warehouse venue they went to. It's not East LA, but I wouldn't exactly trust Daily Fail to get that right. It's a very gritty, industrial part of the city.

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by Anonymousreply 171November 20, 2021 4:54 AM

Yep - it's Soho Warehouse, R171. It's a younger crowd but it's a nicer venue than WeHo.

by Anonymousreply 172November 20, 2021 5:05 AM

She was pretty but I too got a lesbian vibe off her. Im not judging her and her friend,there but for the grace of god go I . I partied way too hard and ended up in some sketchy shit myself. Women always think they are safer with another woman there,but its just not so. Exhibit A being this story.

by Anonymousreply 173November 20, 2021 5:13 AM

That little girl was me!

by Anonymousreply 174November 20, 2021 5:17 AM

Re: Kaiser. If Kaiser had the closest hospital (geographically), maybe that's why they got treated there. Kaiser contracts with other hospitals (emergency and maybe even specialty care) and vice-versa.

by Anonymousreply 175November 20, 2021 5:32 AM

MODEL?

by Anonymousreply 176November 20, 2021 5:42 AM

R174- She's acting again. Britney's free. Paris is married.

by Anonymousreply 177November 20, 2021 5:43 AM

R177 who gives a fuck about disease written mentally ill white whores?

by Anonymousreply 178November 20, 2021 5:56 AM

Is every slightly above average skinny girl a model these days?

by Anonymousreply 179November 20, 2021 6:00 AM

Was she a hand model?

by Anonymousreply 180November 20, 2021 6:50 AM

[quote]disease written mentally ill

Oh dear.

by Anonymousreply 181November 20, 2021 7:01 AM

This is a sketchy thread posted by someone who linked to the Daily Fail, so it’s a definite no from me. (And I never read the Scun either, ever since Hillsborough, but don’t autoban its posters.)

by Anonymousreply 182November 20, 2021 7:15 AM

You missed the memo re: Daily Fail, R182. We have decided it is acceptable to link non-political stories from the Fail. We all get it that the evil Murdoch owns it.

by Anonymousreply 183November 20, 2021 8:16 AM

Still no actual cause of death/autopsy results?

Remember that Alexis Sharkey (free spirit scenester and wannabe influencer who was dumped in a ditch, perfectly clean and without a bruise or scratch on her) was thought to have been a possible OD. She’d been strangled. Also I just found out her husband killed himself last week.

by Anonymousreply 184November 20, 2021 9:23 AM

I'm disappointed with the development of this story, or lack thereof. Too bad, because it's way more interesting than the Gaby Petito case. No cause of death, no update on the brain dead friend. It's like the husband planted the story to bring attention to his GoFundMe and media made zero effort to keep it going. Also, the husband is sleazy big time, as many of you mentioned. I also thought that was that the marriage was some kind of pimp and his "protege" situation.

by Anonymousreply 185November 20, 2021 9:42 AM

Yeah, it's odd how this story was EVERYWHERE for a couple of days and then just sort of went away.

As for her cause of death, 'undetermined' usually means that the answer is in the toxicology report, which can take weeks to complete. However, it should be clear by now whether or not she was sexually abused.

Sadly, the other girl will most likely be taken off life support within the next few days. Has anyone ever 'recovered' from having no brain activity?

by Anonymousreply 186November 20, 2021 2:19 PM

[quote]Re: Kaiser. If Kaiser had the closest hospital (geographically), maybe that's why they got treated there. Kaiser contracts with other hospitals (emergency and maybe even specialty care) and vice-versa.

Under federal law, an emergency department is required to assess, stabilize, and begin treatment of any person who is brought there or brings themself there for treatment, regardless of their insurance coverage or lack of insurance or financial status. The emergency department is then allowed to transfer the patient somewhere else after they are stabilized due to insurance reasons. But Kaiser is not allowed to refuse to see someone who is brought there for emergency care.

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by Anonymousreply 187November 20, 2021 2:29 PM

Maybe this story got overshadowed by the Rittenhouse case. But it sure is odd how the drying-up of updates coincided with the gofundme reaching it's goal. It's still open though at $126.915 ... you too can donate and help get justice for Christy!

by Anonymousreply 188November 20, 2021 2:40 PM

I'm not sure the girls willingly took the drugs that killed them. Maybe someone slipped them something. The texts that say "let's get out of here" suggest something or someone was creeping them out and they were still lucid.

by Anonymousreply 189November 20, 2021 2:45 PM

[quote] the gofundme reaching it's goal.

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 190November 20, 2021 3:06 PM

[quote] The texts that say "let's get out of here" suggest something or someone was creeping them out

Or it could’ve been just boring to them and time to leave and go somewhere else. You cannot tell context from texts.

by Anonymousreply 191November 20, 2021 3:08 PM

According to the reporting, the text included a 😳 emoji

If the reporting is true, they knew they were in a bad situation

by Anonymousreply 192November 20, 2021 4:38 PM

[quote]I also thought that was that the marriage was some kind of pimp and his "protege" situation.

I find it quite telling that 1. her instagram is still being updated, and 2. the privacy settings of her twitter page were changed after her death. Obviously someone has access to her social media passwords, and who else could it be but the husband? Maybe he only found them after her death and logged into her accounts (which would still be a violation of privacy imo), but it seems more likely to me that he already knew them. Also, the way she always shared her location with him 'for safety' ... is it normal for young couples to do that?

by Anonymousreply 193November 20, 2021 5:00 PM

Even in 2021, a model with a septum piercing and random tats is unlikely to book high-profile jobs unless she's already A list. She must have known (and accepted) that she wouldn't hit it big in the fasion world, and focused on other means of income ...

I also found an interesting exchange on her twitter page (before it was set to private). She complained about someone stealing her designer sunglasses, and some guy replied to her saying she only got them for having a one-night stand with a (married) 60-year-old at a party.

by Anonymousreply 194November 20, 2021 5:11 PM

I'm sure the husband is lying through his teeth about the 'fairytale marriage', but I also think there was foul play involved in her death. Both can be true at the same time ... Let's not forget that Dave Pearce has been accused of abuse/rape before.

I think hubs doesn't want to admit to himself (let alone others) that she lifestyle she led, likely with his approval, contributed to her death. It will be interesting to see if other people from her inner circle start speaking up.

by Anonymousreply 195November 20, 2021 5:21 PM

The husband implied that she texted other people throughout the night. But he never released other texts other than that "Let's get out of here" one.

I wonder if it's because the other texts are irrelevant or because he's hiding something.

by Anonymousreply 196November 20, 2021 5:23 PM

24 is unusually young for marriage. These days, at least.

by Anonymousreply 197November 20, 2021 5:30 PM

Anyone who is an IG model with a perpetual pout and ached back is all but asking to be abused by a host of perverts.

by Anonymousreply 198November 20, 2021 6:04 PM

So weird how people text each other so much and they're in the same room. In this case, it was understandable. They didn't want to raise red flags. But they could also have been texting people outside of the club (for help).

Or just dialing fucking 911.

I don't understand it at all.

by Anonymousreply 199November 20, 2021 6:11 PM

I feel like there are always more to these stories that meets the eye.

by Anonymousreply 200November 20, 2021 6:12 PM

For all calling this young girl “a whore” and whatnot, has it ever occurred to you she may have been drugged and beaten because she would NOT present hole?

There’s a lesson here for all of us - -

by Anonymousreply 201November 20, 2021 6:20 PM

[quote]no update on the brain dead friend

There are updates but they're on Univision and other Spanish language news outlets, I posted an interview with her parents at R153.

by Anonymousreply 202November 20, 2021 6:34 PM

I have a bad feeling this will never be solved.

by Anonymousreply 203November 20, 2021 7:19 PM

I'm a bit surprised that they dumped them at hospitals (all covered in cameras these days) instead of in a park or some deserted area. The one girl is dead and the other is basically dead. I can't imagine a judge going easy on them because "they tried to get them help". But this is America...

by Anonymousreply 204November 20, 2021 7:24 PM

R181 yeah the disease written of being a vile cunt with no empathy whatsoever.

Didn't you write that?

by Anonymousreply 205November 20, 2021 7:26 PM

[quote] The local resident, who asked not to be identified, told The Sun: “I heard someone moaning in pain for five, six or seven hours, all day on Saturday from David Pearce’s apartment. “I was wondering what it was because there are always very loud noises coming from that apartment. But this was moaning and it was weird to me but he’s a weird guy and I don’t want to get on his bad side so I never confront him."

Yeah...if I heard that kind of noise ALL DAY, I'd call 911. And if I had a neighbor I was THAT afraid of, I'd fucking move.

by Anonymousreply 206November 20, 2021 7:28 PM

R203, why wouldn't it? They know the apartment where the girls ended up and the guy who lives there. That's a lot more information than most murders.

by Anonymousreply 207November 20, 2021 7:30 PM

Yeah, I hate it when people are too chicken to even call 911. Who knows how many murders and rapes could have been prevented and solved if some asshole could muster up an ounce of empathy and call 911.

by Anonymousreply 208November 20, 2021 7:33 PM

R208 Yeah I can understand hearing "a noise" and waving it off, but saying "I heard someone moaning FOR AN ENTIRE DAY", I don't know how you ignore that.

by Anonymousreply 209November 20, 2021 7:39 PM

Could the "Let's get out of here" texts be sent by the bad guy(s) so they can say the girls were taking drugs and left on their own? Although if the building has surveillance cameras that can be easily verified.

by Anonymousreply 210November 20, 2021 8:12 PM

Regarding the husband being able to track the wife's whereabouts, that is common procedure for call girls when they go out to meet a client. They allow a friend, S.O., or driver to track them should anything go awry.

by Anonymousreply 211November 20, 2021 8:15 PM

I am wondering if the girl and “husband” were even really legally married. Sorry to keep harping on this, but the hospital would give information to the husband because he’s legally next of kin. He said her parents had to get the information from the hospital. That doesn’t make sense.

Amd how did they even identify her? Did the people who dumped her leave her purse and phone with her? And if they killed her, why leave her at a hospital with cameras? They could have left her behind a dumpster or a park. These weren’t very smart killers.

by Anonymousreply 212November 20, 2021 8:42 PM

Who knows whether people are really married nowadays. I have a friend (male) who was in a long-term relationship with a woman, but they were never married as far as I knew. The relationship seemed open, as far as my friend was concerned. This friend became a judge and suddenly he describes himself as having a "wife." I've never heard about him getting married.

by Anonymousreply 213November 20, 2021 8:46 PM

[Quote] Yeah...if I heard that kind of noise ALL DAY, I'd call 911.

Not me. Pearce's neighbors no doubt called the police before and got no satisfaction from them. He was weird. People were coming & going all the time. Loud nouses were always coming from the apartment.They knew he was involved at least with prostitutes and drugs, and probably in the porn industry. If you called police on him, he'd know it came from your apartmwnt. You've obviosly never been in a position where you would be retaliated against, and cops would do nothing. Others have been in that situation before and theyre not risking it again just to have police either ignore it, or have cops say it 's some junkie on a bad trip and the neighbor now has you marked a narc.

by Anonymousreply 214November 20, 2021 8:46 PM

R213. Marriage can become important in terms of inheritance (in many states surviving spouses by law get a certain percentage of the estate), taxes, health insurance, social security benefits, and so on.

Poor people don't need to worry about inheritance, taxes, etc and they have very low rates of marriage. The opposite is true for the upper middle class/upper class - much higher marriage rates and lower divorce rates. They know how to protect their financial assets.

by Anonymousreply 215November 20, 2021 8:53 PM

R214, Agreed. Amazes me how many posters think one can move so easily without losing a lot of money breaking a lease, selling an otherwise satisfactory home.

I had a real black widow and insane, foul woman living upstairs. Neighbors called LE when her screaming hysterics got really bad but I was the one always blamed. She'd lived in the complex longer than I had and made up excuses to report me to the HOA.

by Anonymousreply 216November 20, 2021 8:59 PM

R216 leases end, pretty much annually. If I had a neighbor who was that scary/obnoxious (even before this incident), my ass would've been OUT when it came up.

And yes, I live in LA.

by Anonymousreply 217November 20, 2021 9:05 PM

If you're too scared to call the cops (understandable), why the hell would you give that kind of damning testimony to a tabloid? Especially testimony that makes you sound like an unfeeling sociopath.

by Anonymousreply 218November 20, 2021 9:07 PM

[quote] Poor people don't need to worry about inheritance, taxes, etc and they have very low rates of marriage. The opposite is true for the upper middle class/upper class - much higher marriage rates and lower divorce rates. They know how to protect their financial assets.

R215, understood. My friend who became a judge is / was not rich. He is, however, the type to spend money on himself and himself only. (E.g., takes exotic trips ... without his "wife.") If anything, he would purposely *not* get married in order to preserve his own assets. I'm calling BS on him actually being married now. I suspect he's calling his longtime GF his "wife" now, because he's a judge and he thinks it sounds good.

by Anonymousreply 219November 20, 2021 9:11 PM

Well, you need to nip that in the bud. Expose him!

by Anonymousreply 220November 20, 2021 9:13 PM

If the girl was willing to tell her parents that she did party drugs, not sure why she'd lie about being married. A live-in boyfriend isn't scandalous.

by Anonymousreply 221November 20, 2021 9:17 PM

[Quote] why the hell would you give that kind of damning testimony to a tabloid?

Its not "testimony." Its a remark to a tabloid. There likely will not be a trial. Too expensive. There will be a plea bargain. If it did go to trial, the guy could say he was lying to the tabloid so prosecutor wouldn't call him as a witness. He 's not doing anything illegal by lying to a tabloid.....or by saying he was lying to a tabloid. It's pretty common for people to say someyjing to tv or newspapers immediately after a crime, then later say they were "mistaken" or "didn't recollect" later on, when they realize theyve become involved in a serious legal case

by Anonymousreply 222November 20, 2021 9:23 PM

Calling law/talkiing to.enforcement.is different from talking to a tabloid. As soon as LEO gets involved there are legal reports on record.

by Anonymousreply 223November 20, 2021 9:26 PM

[quote]Jan Cilliers (born b/w 1993-1996, Age: 25-28 Years) is a famous American social media influencer, model, photographer, artist, hiker, and entrepreneur from Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa. He is famously known in the country for his amazing hiking videos and pictures on the internet.

His estimated age is wrong, according to public records people search info he's 40.

He has 4,597 Instagram followers and 22 Twitter followers, if he were famously known wouldn't he have more?

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by Anonymousreply 224November 20, 2021 9:27 PM

R222 if you're afraid of your neighbor, mentioning you heard painful moans coming from their home for most of the day seems pretty dumb, regardless of what happens with the case. There's only X amount of people who could've heard them, and you put a target on your back.

And testimony just means a "public statement", sometimes but not necessarily in court.

by Anonymousreply 225November 20, 2021 9:28 PM

He definitely looks closer to 40 than 28.

by Anonymousreply 226November 20, 2021 9:29 PM

[quote][bold]Jan Cilliers[/bold]

[quote]in Marina Del Rey, CA (California)

[quote]Age 40

[quote][bold]Current Address[/bold]

[quote]1 Ironsides St, Unit 5

[quote]Marina Del Rey CA 90292

[quote]Los Angeles County

[quote]Since December 2013

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by Anonymousreply 227November 20, 2021 9:29 PM

Christy Lee's sisters are named Misty and Britnee.

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by Anonymousreply 228November 20, 2021 9:30 PM

R228 that summary reads like it was assembled by a drunken bot.

And a net worth of 2-3 mil? Uh...sure.

by Anonymousreply 229November 20, 2021 9:32 PM

[quote] Jan Cilliers (born b/w 1993-1996, Age: 25-28 Years) is a famous American social media influencer, model,

He's a model?

by Anonymousreply 230November 20, 2021 9:38 PM

Definitely a bot, R229.

This site is even worse but they did get his DOB right: March 12, 1982

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by Anonymousreply 231November 20, 2021 9:51 PM

At R224, that's a rough 25-28 years old.

I'm not doubting that they were married, but if he really was her pimp, maybe everybody concerned (parents, etc.) were on board with saying he was the husband.

by Anonymousreply 232November 20, 2021 9:55 PM

I doubt she would have told her parents he was her pimp. She might have been open about the 'party drugs', but her Alabama military police officer daddy would have killed had she confessed to being a whore ... well, either her or the pimp.

by Anonymousreply 233November 20, 2021 10:22 PM

" Also, the way she always shared her location with him 'for safety' ... is it normal for young couples to do that?"

I can believe that sex workers do that as a safety measure, although it's also probably done so that the pimp can be sure the whore is where they're supposed to be.

But among "normal" couples, constant phone tracking is the sign of a person being so controlling and jealous that they'll freak out and become abusive if their SO stops at the park or the convenience store on the way home from work.

by Anonymousreply 234November 20, 2021 10:24 PM

[quote]He has 4,597 Instagram followers

At least 1000 of those were added after his wife's death. She's gained over 3.5k since her untimely passing.

by Anonymousreply 235November 20, 2021 10:24 PM

If he was her pimp, why would she claim he was her husband if he wasn't? Could easily call him a live-in boyfriend. And they were married 2 years ago, before COVID, so presumably her parents would've been present.

Have we been infiltrated by websleuth fraus?

by Anonymousreply 236November 20, 2021 10:28 PM

According to this DM article they got married at Burning Man in 2019. At first they only wanted to have a 'ply wedding' where festival-goers get 'married' for a single weekend, but spontaeously decided to get hitched for real.

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by Anonymousreply 237November 20, 2021 10:39 PM

[quote}But among "normal" couples, constant phone tracking is the sign of a person being so controlling and jealous that they'll freak out and become abusive if their SO stops at the park or the convenience store on the way home from work.

He also has her iCloud password and presumably her Twitter & Instagram logins as well.

R236, we live in a world where husbands pimp out their wives so unfortunately it's possible.

by Anonymousreply 238November 20, 2021 10:40 PM

Burning Man? Where's the DLer who was obsessed with Burning Man in the heat exhaustion hiking couple threads?

by Anonymousreply 239November 20, 2021 10:42 PM

[quote]the men told cops they were all doing drugs when both women allegedly overdosed and they took them 'immediately to the ER'

dropped off at separate hospitals...2 hours apart. Uhhuh. And the second friend didn't want to stay with the first friend after she "accidentally OD'd"?

by Anonymousreply 240November 20, 2021 11:04 PM

Married because legally she can’t be forced to testify against him.

by Anonymousreply 241November 20, 2021 11:08 PM

^ We've seriously been infiltrated by websleuth QFraus.

An impulsive young woman who went to a strangers apartment late at night after a party couldn't POSSIBLY have impulsively married her boyfriend. Christ you people see human trafficking in EVERYTHING.

If he was her pimp, he'd be very stupid to bring this much attention to the case.

by Anonymousreply 242November 20, 2021 11:12 PM

[quote] It's pretty common for people to say someyjing to tv or newspapers immediately after a crime, then later say they were "mistaken" or "didn't recollect" later on, when they realize theyve become involved in a serious legal case

Yes, I know!

by Anonymousreply 243November 20, 2021 11:14 PM

If he was her legal husband, why wouldn’t the hospital give her information? He’s next of kin. When my father was incapacitated in the hospital, my mother had to authorize us (his children!) to receive his medical information. They hadn’t even spoken for a decade, and she lived in another state, but everything had to go through her until she signed it over to us. A marriage certificate is a powerful legal instrument and trumps everything. It’s why we fought for marriage equality.

These people seemed to be counterculture fringe types and probably had a “spiritual” marriage. I have a relative who had a wedding but it wasn’t a legal one because his “wife” didn’t want to lose her late husband’s army benefits and pension.

by Anonymousreply 244November 20, 2021 11:22 PM

Escorts calling themselves models…

by Anonymousreply 245November 20, 2021 11:25 PM

Maybe I'm old fashioned but is it normal for a married woman to go out and then go off with strange men? I know women who go out for a girls night out but they aren't usually out til the wee hours of the morning and they don't go off with men.

by Anonymousreply 246November 20, 2021 11:26 PM

R246 She was a hooker, rose.

by Anonymousreply 247November 20, 2021 11:27 PM

^ It is if she's a drugged-out ho

by Anonymousreply 248November 20, 2021 11:33 PM

I keep checking the gofundme. Someone donated 25000 DOLLARS!! Anonymously, of course.

by Anonymousreply 249November 20, 2021 11:42 PM

SAAAAY! What about all those Russian models who fall out of tall buildings? Are they hookers too?

by Anonymousreply 250November 20, 2021 11:45 PM

There are couples, married and unmarried, in which the female is an escort and the husband/boyfriend is complicit in varying degrees for various reasons. Generally it’s because the escort can make far better money than the immature husband/boyfriend, or they are on drugs and need the money, or the male genuinely enjoys the business manager/bodyguard role.

by Anonymousreply 251November 20, 2021 11:45 PM

R246, no it’s not normal among the married women I know.

by Anonymousreply 252November 20, 2021 11:46 PM

R251, absolutely. The husbands/boyfriends seem to be okay with it, but the women wind up dead at their hands.

Here’s another case that falls into the Gabby Petito, Alexis Sharkey pattern. There are many more, for sure.

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by Anonymousreply 253November 20, 2021 11:52 PM

She was 24 and an impulsive party girl. Not your typical housewife.

by Anonymousreply 254November 20, 2021 11:54 PM

What about the Uber that Hilda Marcela called? Did it just sit outside the apartment building until it got tired of waiting? Did someone cancel the ride?

by Anonymousreply 255November 21, 2021 12:03 AM

I've seen lesbian/bi women with a childhood history of abuse or early date rape become party girls after getting into coke. They look at men as cash registers.

by Anonymousreply 256November 21, 2021 12:04 AM

"If he was her pimp, he'd be very stupid to bring this much attention to the case."

Why is he stupid? If they had a whore/pimp relationship, then he's lost a major source of income, but has made it up with a surprisingly successful Gofundme. There's nothing stupid about getting six figures for minimal effort!

And if you're worried about him getting in trouble for pimping out his now-dead wife, I seriously doubt the LA DA's office will file charges there. They'll be looking for much bigger crimes here.

by Anonymousreply 257November 21, 2021 12:06 AM

Just catching up on this story. God it’s sad. Painful to think of all these clueless young women out there with no idea how vulnerable they really are. Glad I don’t have a daughter.

by Anonymousreply 258November 21, 2021 12:22 AM

The term model is really used loosely these days.

by Anonymousreply 259November 21, 2021 12:35 AM

R258, no kidding. She probably thought she was okay because she was with a friend and Cilliers could see where she was and her daddy taught her how to kill a man with a ballpoint pen.

But she was already drunk, and I think their judgment was in the toilet. .

Hopefully the police will take this seriously and the men who dumped the women will get scared and rat each other out like they did in the Comunale case.

by Anonymousreply 260November 21, 2021 12:43 AM

Why does toxicology take so much longer for a dead person than a living one? I guess the living are a priority?

by Anonymousreply 261November 21, 2021 12:44 AM

The mom sounds kind of delusional. I did drugs in my 20s but no way in hell would I have told my parents. The fact that she told her mom that she does only recreational drugs: cocaine, Molly, MDMA, whatever. Does the mom think that this was really the extent of it?

Also, able to kill a man with a ball-point pen? Yeah, right.

by Anonymousreply 262November 21, 2021 12:57 AM

R262, Agreed. Problem for attractive, thin, young women doing drugs is the drug dealers and users with whom they come into contact aren't always the savory, safe types.

Stressing "thin" as they're physically more vulnerable. Many men think all they have to do is get a girl to drink/do drugs and then they can do anything they want to them no matter how rough it gets.

by Anonymousreply 263November 21, 2021 1:01 AM

R218 Maybe they felt really bad about it in hindsight and that's why they speak out now. Hearing about grisly murder or whatever else sketchy thing was going on tends to make people trying to relieve their conscience about what they could possibly have done to prevent it.

R244 I can imagine it was some kind of romantic hippie ceremony that meant to them they were married (for longer than just the weekend), but not an actual legal marriage. Because the stuff about the medical records is strange.

About the "Let's get out of here" text message: The DailyMail has a screenshot of that text message and about an hour before she wrote "Let's go" Hilda apparently told her to come to the kitchen to do a line. So they apparently did drugs out of their own volition at that apartment and an hour later they were still lucid, although of course we don't know in what state or why exactly Christie wanted to go - maybe she felt like death due to the coke being mixed with fentanyl and just wanted to get home quickly to sleep it off, but they never made it. Or maybe something real shitty was happening at the apartment.

I wonder why we still don't know anything about her cause of death. I realise toxicology reports take long, but I guess knowing if she was raped for example, might give more insight into the case.

I think it could have been some kind of "accident" though, maybe the guys tried to "just" rape them and accidentally killed them with drugs or something like that. Because I guess if they already took them home with the intention of cold-blooded murder, they'd have dumped the bodies in the desert or something, not taken them to a hospital. It might not exactly be remorse, but maybe something went wrong or worse than they expected and they didn't know what to do afterwards.

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by Anonymousreply 264November 21, 2021 1:35 AM

Someone on Reddit made a comment that they were at the party and it had a bad, sleazy vibe.

by Anonymousreply 265November 21, 2021 2:01 AM

So what happened with the Uber? Did the police find the driver?

by Anonymousreply 266November 21, 2021 2:03 AM

I thought that emoji meant embarrassment, not fear.

by Anonymousreply 267November 21, 2021 2:04 AM

If I wanted to emote “fear” or being sketched-out, I’d use:

😬😮😧😱

But that’s just me.

by Anonymousreply 268November 21, 2021 2:05 AM

So where is the pron guy who lived in the apartment?

by Anonymousreply 269November 21, 2021 2:07 AM

😳

This emoji looks kind of fearful, too. Again, though, enough with the fucking texting someone in the same damn room as you. Talk to each other, face to face, and GTFO of a dangerous situation. Call 911, since you have access to you goddamn phone. People are so addicted to texting.

by Anonymousreply 270November 21, 2021 2:22 AM

R270 if you're in a room with someone that's scaring you, yeah, it makes more sense to text your friend than to say in front of everyone "Hey, this is creepy. Let's go"

by Anonymousreply 271November 21, 2021 2:31 AM

Did the husband provide the texts to the DM? There is no date, the screenshots of the texts say "today," would he have gotten her phone back right away to be able to take screenshots the same day? Wouldn't the police want it?

When you change someone's name on your contacts list the name changes on old texts and calls. You can also change contact information via iCloud. I guess what I'm asking is, are we certain Hilda Marcela was the one in the kitchen doing lines and not Christy? Cilliers could have changed the names.

[quote]Cilliers said police were only able to link the two women's cases because Hilda shared her location with a third friend.

I wonder who this person is.

by Anonymousreply 272November 21, 2021 2:36 AM

He seems nice

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by Anonymousreply 273November 21, 2021 2:40 AM

Get Drunk

Get High

Get Stupid

by Anonymousreply 274November 21, 2021 2:40 AM

Some of the DM comments from R237:

[quote]Kind of strange that the husband couldn't reach his wife all day and then went walking in the woods with his dad where there was no cell service.

[quote]This odd fella doesn't seem to be too broken up about his "wife" dying just a few days prior. Especially after spending the night with 3 random guys! If that were me, I still wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone with any composure.

[quote]"Because my wife Christy is a corpse..." That is such an odd way of stating that. Honestly, This whole situation is off, including her husband. He talks very immaturely, but then he married a woman who was significantly younger (almost 20 years younger!) And if her body was already cold, she'd been dead for a while. Sad.

[quote]The husband has a kind of Svengali look about him. Wouldn't be surprised if...

[quote]He seems strangely calm and emotionally removed for someone who just lost his wife in such a manner. Red flag.

[quote]The hubbie has a record in Florida.

I didn't know about the record, can anyone verify this?

by Anonymousreply 275November 21, 2021 2:42 AM

Tinfoil hats ahoy!! Can the websleuth fraus who think EVERYTHING is human trafficking take their meds?

by Anonymousreply 276November 21, 2021 2:44 AM

Young and pretty foolish people meet some guys at a party. They left with them. Happens every damn day. Unfortunately, these guys happened to be scumbags.

Dave's IMDb is...interesting, and full of lies.

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by Anonymousreply 277November 21, 2021 2:51 AM

[quote]Modeled drugged and left dumped and dead at hospital

Apparently the English language was murdered right next to her.

by Anonymousreply 278November 21, 2021 3:09 AM

Still no real update, but a new DM article about her friends gathering at the beach to mourn her loss. Wonder who called the paps?

It's so odd how a week has passed since Christy's death and still NONE of the husband's claims have been confirmed (or denied) by authorities. I understand LE can't say too much because it's an ongoing investigation, but didn't they release updates every few days about Gabby Petito? With this case, all we get is, 'the husband claims that ....', 'her mother fears that', and so on.

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by Anonymousreply 279November 21, 2021 4:21 AM

I think either a real bomb is about to drop, with a major celebrity involved in this case or something like that, or LAPD isn't taking this case serious at all as they've already falsified most of the husband's claims.

by Anonymousreply 280November 21, 2021 4:27 AM

[quote] but didn't they release updates every few days about Gabby Petito?

She's no Gabby Petito.

by Anonymousreply 281November 21, 2021 4:31 AM

[quote]r239 Where's the DLer who was obsessed with Burning Man in the heat exhaustion hiking couple threads?

What was decided about them, anyway? Did the baby kill them?

by Anonymousreply 282November 21, 2021 4:34 AM

There was a mystery to the Gabby case. What's the mystery here? Young, impulsive women cross paths with scumbag. It's a pretty common tragedy.

The (almost certain) killer is a Hollywood poser with no career to speak of. His claim to fame is a photo op with Ron Jeremy in 2009.

by Anonymousreply 283November 21, 2021 4:35 AM

What exactly was so mysterious about the Gabby Petito case? It was pretty much clear from the start that the boyfriend had killed her.

by Anonymousreply 284November 21, 2021 4:39 AM

...(and a woman being killed by her partner is sadly a very common tragedy, certainly more common that a woman crossing path with a sinister semi-famous guy who drugs and kills her - IF that is what happened here)

by Anonymousreply 285November 21, 2021 4:41 AM

[quote]r256 They look at men as cash registers.

Ironic, in a news story featuring a pimp husband.

by Anonymousreply 286November 21, 2021 4:44 AM

R284 definitely not THAT mysterious, but she was missing and not immediately confirmed dead, though anyone thinking she'd be found alive was delusional. Plus, Gabby was the quintessential blonde. Missing blondes are big headlines.

by Anonymousreply 287November 21, 2021 4:45 AM

[quote]they did get his DOB right: March 12, 1982

Wait, I'm almost certain that Christy posted on her twitter that her birthday was November 4th, and her husband's November 21st. From what I remember, one article also mentioned that she wanted to stay in LA for her husband's birthday before flying home to Alabama on the 22nd.

I might be wrong, but I usually have a pretty good memory for stuff like that.

by Anonymousreply 288November 21, 2021 4:52 AM

...actually I think it wasn't in one of the articles that she said she would be staying in LA for her husband's birthday on the 21st; it was also on her twitter page. Unfortunately I can't verify it now since the privacy settings have been changed.

by Anonymousreply 289November 21, 2021 5:03 AM

R285 A druggie hooker ending up dead/murdered is common as well.

by Anonymousreply 290November 21, 2021 5:11 AM

I was in LA last week and stayed in a cheap motel off La Cienega right down the street from the apartment on Olympic where Ms. Giles phone was tracked.

That area is very gritty despite being on the border of Beverly Hills. Prostitution and homeless people abound.

by Anonymousreply 291November 21, 2021 5:15 AM

We don't even know yet if she was murdered. Nothing has been confirmed at this point. I still think it could have been a tragic accident. What makes this case intriguing to me is the husband's behavior. It's understandable he's looking for someone to blame, and doesn't want to rely on LE, but this massive media campaign? Asking for 100k (!) on gofundme?

by Anonymousreply 292November 21, 2021 5:21 AM

Grifter gonna grift.

by Anonymousreply 293November 21, 2021 5:23 AM

This would made an excellent SVU episode (2 parts)

by Anonymousreply 294November 21, 2021 5:25 AM

If you think this case is so boring and 'without mystery', why are you even here?

by Anonymousreply 295November 21, 2021 5:26 AM

People wanted to locate Gabby’s boyfriend / killer and deliver mob justice. That was very exciting to some. His suicide brought it all to an anticlimactic end.

by Anonymousreply 296November 21, 2021 5:26 AM

I don't think they were murdered. It was probably just fentanyl-laced drugs that caused them to stop breathing. Happens every day.

by Anonymousreply 297November 21, 2021 6:53 AM

For me, the story is just interesting because everyone in it is so sleazy and, as the kids say, “sus”. The festival lifestyle, how they made any money (was she also in an MLM?), the sheer stupidity of youth.

There is no doubt in my mind that she was selling her body.

by Anonymousreply 298November 21, 2021 8:07 AM

[quote] These people seemed to be counterculture fringe types

Based on what little I've read about her, I don't get a counterculture fringe vibe from her. She was 24 and in LA and right at the age to get into the swing of a party scene that is possibly the wildest in the country.

by Anonymousreply 299November 21, 2021 8:15 AM

What really happened could be pretty unsatisfying. The girls could have bought their own drugs from a stranger at the warehouse party, gone to the afterparty and done their own lines in the kitchen while other people were doing their own drugs or just partying in the other room. It’s not that uncommon at afterparties for people to stick to what they brought themselves, for the sake of “safety”.

It turned out girls’ drugs were laced with fentanyl, which made them feel weird. Perhaps Chrissy needed to lie down and that’s why she texted Hilda to take her home. Hilda started feeling sick from from the lines as well and lied down with Chrissy. Others continued partying and let the girls chill until they felt better.

A couple of hours later the party was coming to an end, but the girls were still “sleeping” - that’s when the guys discovered that one of them OD’d and was dead while the other was barely alive. Not knowing what to do, they dropped them off at hospitals.

It could be as simple as that, but it’s not in husband’s best interest. For the sake of grifting on GoFundMe it’s better to make the case as mysterious as possible.

by Anonymousreply 300November 21, 2021 10:08 AM

[quote]Prostitution and homeless people abound.

Huh. Prostitution Abounds just happens to be my drag name.

by Anonymousreply 301November 21, 2021 10:12 AM

You’re right R288, his birthday is 11/21 (today!), at the time I was think they were at least closer to the right year of birth with him reported to be 40 and not twenty something.

by Anonymousreply 302November 21, 2021 11:08 AM

quote]For me, the story is just interesting because everyone in it is so sleazy

It’s the opposite for me,R298, the story is only interesting to me because on the surface Hilda Marcela doesn’t seem sleazy.

by Anonymousreply 303November 21, 2021 11:11 AM

Remember when Heather Mills “modeled”?

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by Anonymousreply 304November 21, 2021 1:57 PM

[quote] She was 24 and in LA and right at the age to get into the swing of a party scene that is possibly the wildest in the country.

Exactly. A fringe type. Your average woman doesn’t go to wild swing parties in LA and leave with strangers, especially when they’re married & being tracked by their husbands.

by Anonymousreply 305November 21, 2021 2:02 PM

The only interesting thing here is how many names the Mexican architect has.

by Anonymousreply 306November 21, 2021 2:05 PM

Architect/designer is commons names for what is hooker.

by Anonymousreply 307November 21, 2021 2:49 PM

[quote] A 2013 lawsuit that Racked detailed was a result of a business partner feud and the eventual failure of the holding company of Melania’s heavily promoted skincare line that apparently never made it into stores.

[quote] A screenshot of the court deposition shows that an attorney asks Melania to please "explain to the Judge your formal education including what schools you attended and from which you graduated?"

[quote] "I attended and graduated from design school, from Fashion and Industrial Design School and also attended, graduated from architecture degree, bachelor degree," she (Melanie) responds.

——-

See? Is easy to pose as architect and design specialist

by Anonymousreply 308November 21, 2021 2:59 PM

[quote] The only interesting thing here is how many names the Mexican architect has.

Latinos who were actually born in Latin America all seem to have four names: first name#1, first name#2, last name inherited from mother, last name inherited from father (or the other way round, I'm not sure)

by Anonymousreply 309November 21, 2021 4:41 PM

Why are people baffled by this case? People party, od and then get dropped off at the hospital by strangers/scumbags quite often. The only unusual thing about it is that they were dumped by someone with the foresight to remove plates from the car.

by Anonymousreply 310November 21, 2021 5:18 PM

IIRC, she was from Alabama and, maybe, she was just out of her depth at the club and the party.

by Anonymousreply 311November 21, 2021 5:54 PM

R305, well, I agree that the whole married part is odd, but young people attending wild parties is not fringe. Maybe in Alabama, but not LA.

by Anonymousreply 312November 21, 2021 5:57 PM

To whomever keeps making the “human trafficking” comments, you must not know any young women. Not every young female who turns to prostitution is kidnapped or coerced, sometimes it’s a gradual slide due to an incremental relaxing of standards and principles. Many are women without resources, but not all.

I had a friend who went to a top-notch university and was signed with a prestigious modeling agency in NYC. As she aged into her mid-twenties, work was scarce. She became a stripper and eventually had ‘patrons’, older men who would buy things for her like furniture sets, jewelry, electronics, cruises, and tuition to an art school. Many of the ladies she worked with did the same thing, and from there it’s an easy slide into becoming an escort. One of the gals was the daughter of a university dean. Another two were former Marines. All of these women had other options to make money but they were young and didn’t want to be tied down to a 9 to 5. They enjoyed the lifestyle while it lasted and most eventually got married and had kids.

by Anonymousreply 313November 21, 2021 6:46 PM

" I understand LE can't say too much because it's an ongoing investigation, but didn't they release updates every few days about Gabby Petito?"

Petito was "missing" for ages, and the police wanted to get the word out, in the hopes that she might be found. Well, she was found, but the story stayed in the news for weeks afterwards because the killer BF also went missing, and there was a second hunt! Nothing like the thrill of the chase to get people interested!

And this poor gal never made the headlines until she was dead. And it's true, the likeliest explanation is an overdose of recreational drugs, with the second-likeliest being date-rape drugs on top of party drugs. No conspiracy, no human trafficking, just "partying".

by Anonymousreply 314November 21, 2021 10:57 PM

R311, she had been living in LA since at least 2016, probably 2015, and was familiar with 'party drugs'. We're not talking about a clueless babe in the woods here.

by Anonymousreply 315November 21, 2021 11:09 PM

[quote]she had been living in LA since at least 2016, probably 2015, and was familiar with 'party drugs'. We're not talking about a clueless babe in the woods here.

She wasn't very successful as a model then, seeing as nobody outside of the LA party scene had ever heard of her. She was obviously making money through other "avenues".

by Anonymousreply 316November 21, 2021 11:12 PM

She probably couldn't live off her modeling work (at least not comfortably), but she was represented by an established modeling agency, and I'm guessing had just enough connections to get invited to industry parties/fancy clubs where she'd cross paths with wealthy guys looking for 'entertainment'. As R313 said, it probably was a gradual slide from full-time modeling (or trying to book modeling jobs) into escorting. She saw a roommate suck cock for money and make it seem glamourous and 'empowered'. By the time the realization set in that she wasn't going to hit it big as a model, she'd probably met dozens of girls doing the same.

Not sure how the husband fits in ... maybe he got turned on by it? I'm getting cuckold vibes from him.

by Anonymousreply 317November 22, 2021 12:13 AM

Ms Giles got the news that her daughter was at the hospital when her son-in-law, who was in San Fransisco for the weekend, was desperately trying to reach his wife all day following the party, and he noticed that the location of her phone had moved from West Hollywood to the Culver City hospital.

“He then immediately called the Culver City hospital. All they would do was confirm she was a patient in their emergency room. He then immediately called me. I’m a registered nurse. I spoke to them – I knew what they needed,” said Ms Giles.

“They told me that ‘this was not normal for them, and that three unidentified men had dropped her lifeless body on the sidewalk’ and when her husband called they thought it could be one of them calling back and they weren’t giving any information out. ...

Okay that answers some of my questions. But I still don’t understand how the hospital told anyone anything, even Christy’s mother. The police should have been involved at that point - a dead woman left on a footpath is almost certainly suspicious, and once they saw she was dumped there, it’s a criminal matter.

by Anonymousreply 318November 22, 2021 12:16 AM

R317, he doesn’t seem to have any feeling about his wife leaving a party with two men and going to an apartment with them. He strikes me as one of those pickup artist dudes who “negs” attractive women who are deeply insecure.

by Anonymousreply 319November 22, 2021 12:20 AM

Instagram has threatened to remove her account for 'violationg our community guidelines'. Looks like hubby will have to delete all those tasteful nudes ...

by Anonymousreply 320November 22, 2021 12:27 AM

The hospital should have directed anyone who called about her to contact the police. She was already dead on arrival and the hospital didn't really provide any treatment. It's entirely a police matter at that point.

by Anonymousreply 321November 22, 2021 12:28 AM

The type of people who flock to these types of threads are almost more disturbing than the crimes themselves.

by Anonymousreply 322November 22, 2021 12:40 AM

No way. If I worked at the hospital and someone called asking about a DOA that was dumped in the parking lot I’d ask them for their name, their number and their address and I’d tell them if she shows up, we will get in touch. Then I’d hand the information to the police. You have no idea who’s calling. It could be anyone claiming to be a spouse. Police will formally ID the victim & contact next of kin precisely because it is a police matter.

by Anonymousreply 323November 22, 2021 1:39 AM

I don't think ER personnel are formally trained in what to do if someone drops a dead body in the ambulance bay, it doesn't happen often enough.

As noted many times, most people who want to get rid of dead bodies throw them in rivers or dumpsters, or if they're in LA, the Angeles National Forest. I've heard that's the semi-official body dumping ground, the west coast equivalent of the Jersey Pine Barrens.

by Anonymousreply 324November 22, 2021 1:47 AM

R324, must be pretty stupid ER staff if they can’t figure out they need to call the police when someone dumps a DOA on the footpath and drives away. Unattended deaths require an investigation by the ME. I’m not even a doctor and I know that. Was it just a bunch of high school dropouts staffing the ER that night?

by Anonymousreply 325November 22, 2021 2:24 AM

[quote]I don't think ER personnel are formally trained in what to do if someone drops a dead body in the ambulance bay, it doesn't happen often enough.

It does happen. I used to work in an inner-city trauma center. We'd get gang-bangers that had been shot, who would be shoved out of a car at the entrance, and then the car would speed away. Some were DOA, others were treated and survived. We would joke and say this person was a VIP who arrived by private car.

by Anonymousreply 326November 22, 2021 2:47 AM

Maybe her medical records had her parents listed as emergency contact rather than the sketchy husband, and that’s why they were contacted first.

It’s hard to know a dead body is married.

by Anonymousreply 327November 22, 2021 3:43 AM

R327, good points. The dumpers were considerate enough to leave her wallet/phone/purse with her body. Otherwise she’d be a Jane Doe until the husband tracked her down.

by Anonymousreply 328November 22, 2021 12:15 PM

Two things I never heard of before: balaclava and snuff porn. I googled the former. I can live without knowing about the latter.

by Anonymousreply 329November 22, 2021 1:35 PM

I’m curious to know if Dave Pearce’s number eas in the phones of the victims. According to several comments, he would grab women’s phones and put his number in their contacts and label it “Dave my husband”. He sounds like a piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 330November 22, 2021 5:19 PM

[quote] Why are people baffled by this case?

There are [italic]a lot[/italic] of flyover, square fraus on this thread. Going out to them means going to Sunday church or Hobby Lobby, if at all.

by Anonymousreply 331November 22, 2021 6:11 PM

[quote] Two things I never heard of before: balaclava and snuff porn.

Oh Aunt Bea, you go on up to bed now and leave this sort of thing to the professionals. Me and Barney don’t want you gettin upset over something that don’t concern you. Go on now - take Opie with you and I’ll lock up the house real good & tight.

by Anonymousreply 332November 22, 2021 6:37 PM

Well, at least R329 Googled instead of asking, in this thread: What's snuff porn, what's a balaclava.

by Anonymousreply 333November 22, 2021 6:42 PM

[quote] he fact that she told her mom that she does only recreational drugs: cocaine, Molly, MDMA, whatever.

Damn, that little girl was partying like a young gay man.

by Anonymousreply 334November 22, 2021 9:22 PM

R334 she kind of led her entire life like a gay man. Married but in an open marriage, lots of partying, lots of drug use, semi-popular instagram naked posts, probably some kind of sex work or porn, an oddly close relationship with an "extra" mom

by Anonymousreply 335November 22, 2021 10:16 PM

And how many of us made decisions when we were drunk or high that could've ended VERY badly for us if we'd been in the company of a psycho? I know I did.

by Anonymousreply 336November 22, 2021 10:21 PM

R335, I'm glad she actually lived a little in her short life. She also had some gumption -- moving away, on her own, to the city from Alabama.

by Anonymousreply 337November 22, 2021 10:36 PM

What century do some of you live in? Young women have been encouraged to 'party' and experiment sexually for the last few decades. Maybe not in Bumfucke Alabama, but certainly in liberal areas. Women have also been selling their bodies since the dawn of times.

The only really unusual thing about this girl's lifestyle was that she got married at 21.

by Anonymousreply 338November 22, 2021 11:06 PM

R322 Don't be all high and mighty, if people wouldn't be interested in cases like this, there would be no real crime shows.

And yes, there's mystery here. It might be totally different than the Gabby Pepito case, because Christie and Hilda are different women than her, but still... two attractive young women suddenly turn up (half) dead at a hospital. Of course it garners interest what happened here and if someone is responsible for this. Were they regular party girls? Did they slowly slide into doing escorting, sex work, whatever? How does the husband fit in? Did they go to the "after party", because of one ill-advised, possibly drunk decision? Or did they have a habit of going with strange, sleazy men? Did they accidentally OD with fentanyl laced drugs? Were they forced to take the drugs by their sleazy company? If they were killed, will the guys go scot free or will it all come to light and they'll go to jail?

by Anonymousreply 339November 22, 2021 11:52 PM

People keep focusing on Christy, Hilda is the one who interests me because of her education, background and career ambition. On the surface the two of them look like opposites and Hilda only moved to the U.S. from Mexico this past summer so how would they have met, etc?

by Anonymousreply 340November 23, 2021 12:19 AM

2 massive red flags that ensure Creepy Dave is fucked.

The neighbor said they heard painful moans all day, but the bodies weren't dumped until the evening.

The girls were dumped at separate hospitals 2 hours apart.

by Anonymousreply 341November 23, 2021 12:24 AM

[quote]His number is 310.613.DAVE. Jesus. What a cheese dick.

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by Anonymousreply 342November 23, 2021 12:43 AM

I think the Daily Mail might be working on an exclusive story about Dave Pearce. On one of the pages linked upthread where people discuss his alleged crimes, someone with an @dailymail.com email address replied to almost all of the comments asking for further information about him.

by Anonymousreply 343November 23, 2021 12:51 AM

R335, who was the “extra mom”?

R340, I think she’s interesting, too. Even if she had a legit career, she may have enjoyed earning extra cash doing sex things or having a sugar daddy. How did they meet? The two other cases that are similar to this (in my mind) have young influencer women meeting their “best friends” via Bumble BFF or similar apps for making friends. It seems extremely sketchy and a breeding ground for predatory people. These women move to areas where they don’t know anyone amd that’s how they meet people. I don’t know how Hilda and Christy met, but I would be surprised if they *didn’t* meet that way.

by Anonymousreply 344November 23, 2021 12:54 AM

R344, One thing I noticed is that tons of people have posted tributes to Christy on instagram, but I've seen VERY few posts mentioning Hilda, or showing the two girls together. It really doesn't look like they knew each other very well. And there's another thing. As I have mentioned before, the last tweets on Christy's (now private) twitter account sounded like she wasn't in a good place mentally. In one post she actually complained about having lost friends, or old friends not reaching out anymore or something like that. Leaving aside the theories about prostitution etc., she sounded exactly like the kind of girl who'd cling to, and go out to party with someone she'd only just met.

by Anonymousreply 345November 23, 2021 1:10 AM

Coke friends?

by Anonymousreply 346November 23, 2021 2:26 AM

[quote]r338 It might be totally different than the Gabby Pepito case, because Christie and Hilda are different women than her…

Gabby just sounds like a loser to me - wispy blonde wannabe youtuber who can’t get it together enough to leave her abusive, slacker boyfriend.

At least Christy lived a little, and landed a FEW legit modeling jobs (allegedly)

by Anonymousreply 347November 23, 2021 2:28 AM

I don’t think she was a hooker. She went out with friends, met some guys who knew of a party and had drugs so they went.

She and her husband are a little hippy dippy Burning Man types who party with whomever. So, for her to party without her husband is not too strange, as it’s their lifestyle. He probably keeps tabs on her because he knows their world can be iffy sometimes and she’s a free-spirited beauty whom he loves.

This is just my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 348November 23, 2021 2:37 AM

This story is the younger generation's version of Looking for Mr. Goodbar.

by Anonymousreply 349November 23, 2021 2:52 AM

I think she was a hooker/escort of the semi-upscale variety, but I don't think she died on the job.

by Anonymousreply 350November 23, 2021 2:59 AM

R348 we've been overrun by conspiracy nuts and old ladies who think only hookers go out to clubs and parties

by Anonymousreply 351November 23, 2021 3:08 AM

Please, nobody thinks she was a hooker just because she went out clubbing. You sound like a 14-year-old who just got invited to their first party, and thinks everyone else is out of touch.

Christy was a little-known model with so many nude/semi nude photos on her instagram page that instagram threatened to remove her account. Few of her photos show her modeling actual clothes (or perfume, jewellery) with a designer/brand name tagged. She posted some full-frontal nudes on twitter (nothing pornographic though). Most of the photographers she worked with were fairly unknown with less than 10k followers.

Modeling doesn't pay that much unless you're A-list and get to work for famous brands, and it doesn't look like she was booked for 'real' modeling very often. I don't see how she could have sustained her lifestyle unless the had a lucrative side job. A lot of models do some escorting on the side. You also have to be somewhat open to the idea of sex work to let a porn actor move into your apartment.

Obviously none of that proves that she was a hooker, escort, or whatever you like to call it, but it's not much of a reach to think she might have been.

by Anonymousreply 352November 23, 2021 4:36 AM

I think r351 underestimates how much quid pro quo happens between attractive women and horny men. It’s not exactly strict prostitution, but there’s a lot of gray area. To paraphrase an old Paul Theroux novel, plenty of girls would do plenty of things for a pair of pretty boots or a weekend in Ibiza.

by Anonymousreply 353November 23, 2021 4:37 AM

R345, that’s interesting. I didn’t see any of her actual social media.

I don’t know if it’s a generation thing, but it seems the apps are a shortcut to an Instagram-ready group of friends. I wasn’t aware of it until rather recently.

It seems to be a bad idea to move to another part of the country and throw your lot in with a weird dude who tracks your every move and try to be an influencer on social media. Winds up being fatal quite often.

by Anonymousreply 354November 23, 2021 4:49 AM

"[R348] we've been overrun by conspiracy nuts and old ladies who think only hookers go out to clubs and parties"

Nobody thinks she was a hooker because she partied, modeled, and "modeled", people think she was a hooker because she seemed to be living beyond her means.

by Anonymousreply 355November 23, 2021 7:52 PM

Can someone explain why toxicology reports for dead people take so long to complete? Are the tests that time-consuming, or is it because of backlog, under-staffed labs etc.?

by Anonymousreply 356November 23, 2021 11:06 PM

If you exchange physical affection for material items, drugs or cash, you’re a whore darlin’.

by Anonymousreply 357November 24, 2021 7:24 PM

[bold]There was a third girl.[/bold]

Most of the conversation in this thread is about Christy Giles but her friend is the one who interests me. I mentioned up thread that Hilda Marcela's parents call her Marcela.

11/23/2021 (Univision via Google Translate):

[quote]LOS ANGELES, California .- Hilda Marcela Cabrales struggles to survive almost 10 days after being abandoned at the entrance of a Los Angeles hospital, on the brink of death. Meanwhile, hundreds of people began collecting signatures, demanding an FBI investigation into the case.

[quote]"We demand a prompt investigation into the case of the young Duran woman Hilda Marcela Cabrales Arzola #NiUnaMas coverage of expenses and protection of her family," reads a campaign on the Change.org platform that this Monday accumulated more than 300 signatures.

[quote]The secrecy on the part of the local authorities is constant. It is only known that there is an ongoing investigation and that the local investigations verify each piece of information shared by the women in the early morning of November 13, when in the middle of a party they agreed to join an “after party” celebration that ended very badly.

[quote]Preliminary reports said Marcela, Christy and another woman were at a party at Soho House in Los Angeles, where the former is said to have met a man who invited them to a party in the Hollywood Hills.

[quote]The third woman, who asked local media not to be identified, assures that she was with Cabrales and Giles until 4:00 in the morning of Saturday 13 and described that both acted consistently.

[quote]Christy Gils was pronounced dead at the Southern California hospital, while Hilda Marcela remains in critical condition, with stable vital signs, but an uncertain future. Her parents pray for a miracle , so that their daughter does not suffer brain death.

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by Anonymousreply 358November 24, 2021 9:42 PM

R358 the third girl has been mentioned before. And of course, Creepy Dave said he'd take them to a party in the Hills only to take them to his shitty apartment in Beverly Hills-adjacent.

by Anonymousreply 359November 24, 2021 9:44 PM

R356, California takes their sweet precious time.

by Anonymousreply 360November 25, 2021 4:57 AM

Reminds me of the case where the actress who played Angie on Welcome Back Kotter was found unconscious & bleeding in a Long Island Railroad car. She was taken to the hospital I worked at and was treated HORRIBLY by the media. She was a crime victim and they laughed at her and made her out to be a slut. She had been invited to spend the weekend in Southampton with producer Roy Radin & his girlfriend. She was drugged, raped and it was filmed. She was dumped on the train by someone. Radin claimed she was a willing sex partner in a threesome or something like that. Media believed Radin. There were so many photographers and video camera men outside the hospital waiting to take her picture. We tried to sneak her out in a nurse’s uniform but they recognized her.

Radin was latermurdered.

by Anonymousreply 361November 26, 2021 1:16 AM

This whole case is so odd. It's been almost two weeks, the name of one of the alleged perpetrators is all over social media, a neighbor allegedly heard 'moaning' from his apartment, but still no update/comment from authorities? All we know is what the husband and family are thinking. None of their claims have been confirmed as far as I'm aware. Were the girls raped? Is there really a surveillance tape showing 3 masked men dumping Christy's body at the hospital? Do the girls' final text messages say what the husband claims they say? Surely some of those questions could be answered by now?

by Anonymousreply 362November 26, 2021 1:33 AM

WHY DOES SHE HAVE HER ASS OUT ON INSTAGRAM

by Anonymousreply 363November 26, 2021 1:50 AM

Is her instagram still there?

by Anonymousreply 364November 26, 2021 2:52 AM

She posed that way and was partying at a Soho House (or was it a warehouse party? I’m confused about the reporting and perhaps that is intentional) and her husband was tracking her whereabouts. Sounds like sex work to me.

Soho House scene sounds sleazy and shady.

by Anonymousreply 365November 26, 2021 11:55 AM

Yes, it's still there, R364. Her most recent post was deleted though, I'm guessing because of a few VERY harsh comments (lots of slut shaming, and someone called her 'yet another liberal she/her whore who deserved to die' or something like that). Tbh I was shocked those comments didn't get reported and deleted; some were worse than what you read here on DL and that's saying something.

by Anonymousreply 366November 26, 2021 2:46 PM

Tired of hearing about these murdered middle class white Jezebels. That Gabbie Laundry list drama was the last straw.

We need Law enforcement to pay attention to the intersection of race and class!

by Anonymousreply 367November 26, 2021 7:47 PM

It was in all likelihood an OD. Probably fentanyl laced stuff. This speculation reminds me of the 500 plus posts ( some absurdly outlandish) in a thread about that California family who succumbed to heat exhaustion. The simplest explanation is usually the right one.

by Anonymousreply 368November 26, 2021 9:56 PM

R368 yes, but was a deliberate OD or not? I don't buy the QAnon-esque sex worker/human trafficking BS, but the neighbor saying they heard painful moans all day and that the girls were dumped at separate hospitals makes me think that Creepy Dave meant to rape them, or even meant to rape them A LOT, but didn't meant to kill them.

But he probably could've avoided the murder charges incoming if he dumped them when they started moaning.

by Anonymousreply 369November 26, 2021 10:09 PM

If they were raped - or even if it were consensual - it would be noted in an exam or autopsy. We might not ever know the answer, but the authorities probably know.

What I wonder is, if there were people doing lines in the kitchen, did they OD, too?

And the report of someone moaning in pain - was it a man or a woman? Wouldn’t it be more or less evident?

by Anonymousreply 370November 26, 2021 10:17 PM

Note that the husband said about the Hilda's toxicology results, 'I GUESS they found heroin in her system'. So he doesn't even know for sure. Maybe it was Fentanyl. Christy's mother also mentioned trace amounts of cocaine and something else I forgot (ecstasy?).

by Anonymousreply 371November 27, 2021 5:00 AM

[quote] That Gabbie Laundry list drama

That whole Gabby Petito/Brian Laundrie debacle was so mundane and [italic]so[/italic] Middle America. No wonder it resonated so deeply with fraus.

by Anonymousreply 372November 27, 2021 7:28 AM

So the apartment where Christy spent her final hours belongs to one Dave Pearce, said Dave Pearce has been accused of drugging and raping women before, a neighbor heard suspicious 'moaning' from the apartment, there are text messages suggesting the girls were trying to leave, and Dave Pearce and his friends, or someone working for them, dumped the girls (one dead, one barely alive) at different hospitals two hours apart using a car without license plates .... yet nobody has been arrested, and the case has completely disappared from the headlines? Something doesn't add up.

Dave Pearce just sounds like some wannabe poseur, I'm not buying that he's being 'protected'.

by Anonymousreply 373November 27, 2021 2:34 PM

R372, overdosing on fentanyl is what's mundane these days.

by Anonymousreply 374November 27, 2021 3:18 PM

The police/medical examiner probably don't know what the cause of death is yet. They obviously are suspecting drug overdose and waiting for toxicology. They are not going to arrest anyone if the death hasn't even been determined to be a homicide yet.

by Anonymousreply 375November 27, 2021 6:30 PM

Exactly what I think, too, r375.

I still want to know if anyone confirmed that Marcela called an Uber. And if anyone else got sick from the same drugs the women took. And if the person reportedly “moaning in pain for hours” sounded like a man or a woman.

Last night I watched the documentary about the rise and fall of Von Dutch. It reminded me of this story. There were so many sleazy and predatory trashy people. We kept laughing at how depraved and scummy they all were. And how utterly stupid.

by Anonymousreply 376November 27, 2021 6:40 PM

Sad news

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by Anonymousreply 377November 28, 2021 4:55 PM

R377, such a waste. It might be for the best. A good outcome was infinitesimal, after being comatose like that.

Now that two women are dead, will police bother investigating?

by Anonymousreply 378November 28, 2021 4:59 PM

R377, I had my doubts police were doing anything at all, but according to Hilda's father, the investigation is very much active.

[quote]'The detectives have spoken with us several times and they told us that for the LAPD this is personal because the people behind this have done it before but it had never gone as far as this,' he confirmed. 'The police opened an emergency line and have apparently been speaking with people but have asked us to be patient while they put the case together,' Rivera continued. 'The detectives told us they're indignant that these guys had the chance to save Hilda and Christy's lives but preferred to abandon them to their luck.'

by Anonymousreply 379November 28, 2021 5:03 PM

[quote] LAPD this is personal because the people behind this have done it before but it had never gone as far as this,'

I wonder what that means.

by Anonymousreply 380November 28, 2021 5:10 PM

The petition 'JUSTICIA PARA HILDA MARCELA' on change.org, demanding the Mexican ambassador put pressure on US authorities to thoroughly investigate this case, has been signed over 7500 times.

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by Anonymousreply 381November 28, 2021 5:10 PM

R379, thanks for sharing that. Good.

R380, I think that Pearce’s sleazy behavior landed on just this side of “legal”. Probably would have hinged on “he said/she said”. The women he preyed upon were probably young and perhaps easily discredited or written off. It happened here: “that’s what happens when you go home with a stranger”, shit like that. Date rape drugs clear the system quickly, too. By the time someone is able to get tested, it’s too late.

This is probably the first incident where there’s enough evidence to do something.

by Anonymousreply 382November 28, 2021 5:23 PM

[quote] I had my doubts police were doing anything at all

Why? Because they haven’t been updating you?

[quote] It’s been almost two weeks…..but still no update/comment from authorities?

Too funny to see people whining in this thread that they haven’t heard any updates from police. Well, hate to tell you, but a case involving a dead and a wounded young woman which has been well publicized isn’t considered by police to be entertainment for nosy old fraus. They’re quite happy to carry on their investigations without giving press conferences.

by Anonymousreply 383November 28, 2021 6:02 PM

Maybe, self-righteous cunt at R383, people were confused because it sounded like the case had pretty much been solved? Also, Christy Giles' family didn't seem to have much trust the police would do their job. They launched a gofundme to pay for private investigators TWO days after her death, and the interviews the gave, and what they posted on social media made it sound like LAPD were treating it as yet another overdose!

by Anonymousreply 384November 28, 2021 6:45 PM

[quote]Well, hate to tell you, but a case involving a dead and a wounded young woman which has been well publicized isn’t considered by police to be entertainment for nosy old fraus.

What are you doing on this thread? Trying to make the world a better place by educating people on police work, and protecting the dead from nosy old fraus? Sure, cunt. Get back on your high horse and ride off into the sunset.

by Anonymousreply 385November 28, 2021 6:55 PM

[quote]and what they posted on social media made it sound like LAPD were treating it as yet another overdose!

Because that’s most likely what it is.

by Anonymousreply 386November 29, 2021 2:31 AM

Idk, R386. At first I thought the husband and families were in denial about the girls' drug use; I even suspected Cilliers of having made up parts of the story he told. But with all that's come out about Dave Pearce, it seems likely there was foul play involved. Likely not premediated murder or some kind of crazy snuff porn scenario, but a case of date-rape drugging gone terribly wrong.

by Anonymousreply 387November 29, 2021 2:50 AM

...obviously date-rape drugging is *always* wrong; I meant that the guys accidentally gave them too much (or the stuff turned out to be laced) , panicked when the girls overdosed and instead of attempting to save them, tried to cover their tracks.

by Anonymousreply 388November 29, 2021 2:54 AM

R388 Yes, I'm leaning towards such a scenario too. Either the girls took drugs from the guys, that were (unbeknownst to them and maybe even the men) laced with fentanyl or something, which lead to an accidental overdose. Or they were given drugs they'd usually not take for date rape purposes. I don't think anyone planned to kill those young women, driving them to a hospital afterwards just wouldn't make sense in that case. There are better ways to dispose of corpses. Maybe the men realised something was wrong the next morning, but didn't immediately bring the girls to a hospital (hence the moaning), because they hoped they'd get better on their own after sleeping it off and nobody would get in trouble.

by Anonymousreply 389November 29, 2021 11:51 PM

Were there any sign of fluids, ligature marks, are bruising on the inner thighs?

You KNOW there had to be spermicide left from a condom.

by Anonymousreply 390November 30, 2021 12:21 AM

R390, I don't know about Hilda, but one article mentioned that no bruises or scratches were found on Christy's body.

Yet the neighbor claims he overheard someone moaning in pain. Is it possible to rape someone, so violently as to make them moan in pain (for hours!), without leaving any visible injuries? Was there no or very little bruising, bleeding etc. because she was already dead? Did they only rape Hilda?

It's all very weird.

by Anonymousreply 391November 30, 2021 4:47 AM

Christy Giles' mother liked this post on instagram. The family doesn't seem to trust LAPD at all.

[quote]Also guilty: the Beverly Hills & Los Angeles Police Departments for dereliction of duty (at best) in failing to lock this guy up years ago. He was arrested 5 times over 10 years, most recently, this summer. The LAPD also allows rampant drug use & other bad behavior by celebrities in exchange for favors (being invited to their sex parties, for example). Apparently laws do not apply if you are rich or famous .... #lapdiscorrupt

Interestingly, Hilda Cabrales' father seems to have more confidence police will do their job (quote from a DM article):

[quote]'The detectives have spoken with us several times and they told us that for the LAPD this is personal because the people behind this have done it before but it had never gone as far as this,' he confirmed. 'The police opened an emergency line and have apparently been speaking with people but have asked us to be patient while they put the case together,' Rivera continued. 'The detectives told us they're indignant that these guys had the chance to save Hilda and Christy's lives but preferred to abandon them to their luck.'

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by Anonymousreply 392November 30, 2021 4:57 AM

R391 I guess there are a number of reasons why the neighbour might have heard moaning that don't necessarily involve rape or injuries caused by rape. I don't know how ecactly a fentanyl or other drug overdose looks like, but if your body is barely holding on, then I'm sure moaning is possible. Maybe LAPD is holding some information back, but if you're half dead from being raped, then yeah, your body would show signs. And if you can't say if the victim had consensual sex or not, then I guess that alone wouldn't cause you to moan in pain for a day and then die. So I'm pretty sure the main aspect here is drug use. The question is if that was voluntary on the women's part or not. Or whatever there is in between (e.g. voluntarily taking coke, but unfortunately coming across laced stuff), then it's all about who knew and did it on purpose etc.

R392 Depending on what might have happened a bereaved parent could be prone to not being satisfied with what LAPD is doing, because the explanation might not feel sufficient enough for the tragedy that happened. The post stated drug use and bad behaviour as problems, but while I'm sure the former is sometimes turned a blind eye to, if celebs are involved, the latter is not exactly punishable by law. What even is bad behaviour? Having sleazy parties with shady women? Perfecly legal. Parties with sex workers? Not sure how laws are in California regarding that, in my country it would be legal as well. Rape? Definitely a crime. So... feels it could be anything and if they are at least half-clever then they know how to keep it on the sleazy, but legal side of things.

by Anonymousreply 393November 30, 2021 5:51 AM

By the pictures of his apartment and the fact that I've never heard his name before (and his claim to fame is a Ron Jeremy photo from 2009), I'm gonna say Creepy Dave is neither rich nor famous

by Anonymousreply 394November 30, 2021 7:11 AM

But the police won’t tell meeeeee what’s going onnnnn!

by Anonymousreply 395November 30, 2021 5:00 PM

[quote]I don't know how ecactly a fentanyl or other drug overdose looks like, but if your body is barely holding on, then I'm sure moaning is possible.

A fentanyl or opioid overdose causes a person to feel euphoric and relaxed, then you fall asleep and stop breathing.

by Anonymousreply 396November 30, 2021 5:06 PM

R395, lol. Yeah, good luck with that. The LAPD (and all huge city police departments, really) has never exactly been forthcoming about the details of their investigations with the public and press.

by Anonymousreply 397November 30, 2021 5:12 PM

Was there a massage table and disco ball at the rave?

Asking for a friend

by Anonymousreply 398November 30, 2021 5:38 PM

Y'all I don't care about this case at alllllll, my cunt just needs a break from masturbating to my own reflection! Ouuuuch!

by Anonymousreply 399November 30, 2021 7:10 PM

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by Anonymousreply 400December 4, 2021 4:55 AM

I find the whole thing even more confusing now. So according to the anonymous 3rd friend, those guys were twice the age of the other party guests, didn't fit in, acted weird and obnoxious and eventually got kicked out of the VIP area were Hilda and Christy were hanging out, yet the girls ended up leaving with them and got in their car. Why? How? The husband said Hilda might have been attracted to one of the guys, but the friend doesn't think that was the case.

The only scenario I can think of is that ... well, they were offered drugs. And if they were desperate enough to get into a car with a bunch of much older, shady, obnoxious strangers, they must have been deeper into drugs than hubby wants to admit.

by Anonymousreply 401December 4, 2021 5:12 AM

R401, I agree. What enticed the women away from the “event” (where they were having fun)? Money, drugs or sex?

by Anonymousreply 402December 5, 2021 1:31 AM

[quote] What enticed the women away from the “event” (where they were having fun)? Money, drugs or sex?

Weren't they under the impression they were going to an after-party up in the Hollywood Hills? I'd say that sounds pretty glamorous and cool for most mid-20somethings; especially ones not from LA.

by Anonymousreply 403December 5, 2021 9:22 PM

This story reminded me of Kim Kardashian being robbed by masked men in Paris. That was a situation... thank God she came out relatively unscathed.

by Anonymousreply 404December 5, 2021 10:24 PM

R404, you know that was bullshit, right?

by Anonymousreply 405December 6, 2021 12:27 AM

[quote]Weren't they under the impression they were going to an after-party up in the Hollywood Hills? I'd say that sounds pretty glamorous and cool for most mid-20somethings; especially ones not from LA.

Yes, that's what the husband said. Dave Pearce et al. might have offered Christy and Hilda a ride to that party. But even if they did, WHY on earth was that offer accepted? Why would two young women get into a car with a bunch of weird, irritating strangers who were just kicked out of the club's VIP area? Why would they believe those guys were invitated to the afterparty? And how did they end up leaving with a group of people that were kicked out of 'their' part of the club? It also sounds like the girls had already made arrangements to get to the afterparty. At least it wasn't a spontaneous idea to go there. From one of the DailyMail articles:

[quote]At 5:36am a friend called Eddie who was at the official afterparty the girls had planned to go to texted Christy: 'Where you at?'

Something doesn't add up imo.

by Anonymousreply 406December 6, 2021 12:28 AM

R403, that’s right. I wonder what the premise was, for taking them to that apartment instead. Detour for getting g more drugs? I’m guessing they were a bit stranded, which is why Hilda Marcela called an Uber.

Which brings me to the question I keep asking: did she actually order an Uber? What happened when they didn’t come out and get in the car, if she did? There’d be a record of that, right?

by Anonymousreply 407December 6, 2021 12:29 AM

From what I recall, Christy Giles' mother said the Uber did show up at the address, waited 5 - 10 minutes, then left when nobody came out of the house.

by Anonymousreply 408December 6, 2021 12:44 AM

Thanks, r408!

by Anonymousreply 409December 6, 2021 12:44 AM

Hollywood

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by Anonymousreply 410December 16, 2021 11:12 PM

Killed by an extra. How embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 411December 16, 2021 11:23 PM

What can those three idiots possibly gain by drugging them? Have sex with an unconscious woman?

Lowlife fucks

by Anonymousreply 412December 16, 2021 11:37 PM

Arrested!! The Dave character is being held on manslaughter with a million dollar bail.

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by Anonymousreply 413December 17, 2021 1:49 AM

The shithole they died in.

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by Anonymousreply 414December 17, 2021 3:25 AM

Good. But I still want to know why the girls agreed to leave with those shady dudes. I'm not buying that they simply accepted a ride to the after party. The third friend who left early pretty much described Pearce and his friends as walking red flags; they were kicked out of the VIP area of the club. Yet it appears Hilda and Christy went with them willingly. If they were forced into the car, or already incapacitated, surely there would have been witnesses.

What happened after the third friend left?

by Anonymousreply 415December 17, 2021 4:26 AM

That apartment doesn't look big enough to hold 5 people at one time. Two guys were supposedly living there? It seems mighty small for that too, unless they were sleeping in the same bed. The clutter is pretty unbelievable too. Years' worth of dust. Very, very odd. Pearce had not paid rent during the pandemic, and had been allegedly moving his stuff out over a period of weeks before the deaths. Maybe he was actually subletting to Osborne, and living someplace else. Still, it doesn't look exactly glamorous enough to be able to use to take your new gal pals back for a late evening. It's obviously not a place where anybody conducted a home life, it's just a crash pad, towels on the windows instead of curtains, the lunar-level dust, etc. Creepy. Those girls must have been offered something MIGHTY enticing for them to have willingly entered that man-cave.

by Anonymousreply 416December 17, 2021 12:48 PM

The suspects look somewhat hot

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by Anonymousreply 417December 17, 2021 12:58 PM

^Who snapped those photos of the 2 guys leaving that bldg, and how did the Sun get hold them, I wonder? And re the photo of the 2 girls at the club: there is a 3rd lady's hand on the right side of the pic, so she has obviously been cropped out of this image. So was this photo taken at the club the night of their deaths? It seems the 2 girls who died had not known each other well or long before the night they were poisoned. Hilda is looking *mighty* tarty in the club shot, compared to the other photos that the family has supplied. Her facial expression is pretty whorish compared to the demure beauty in the family's photos of her, she looks like a completely different creature.

by Anonymousreply 418December 17, 2021 1:07 PM

From time to time there are threads about how beneath the sunshine there's a dark undercurrent to LA... a kind of menace in the air. This story fits with that. If it's as simple as a date rape drugging gone bad, that could happen anywhere, but in LA it's always complicated by huge amount of thwarted ambition and broken dreams.

by Anonymousreply 419December 17, 2021 1:23 PM

Depending on where you lived, LA was a very menacing place in the 90s. The violent crime rate was sky high.

by Anonymousreply 420December 17, 2021 1:26 PM

Osborn had been talking to friends about dumping the bodies:

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by Anonymousreply 421December 17, 2021 1:31 PM

[quote]dumped and dead

Illiterate English can be so ass-backwards. Adds spice and absurdity to horror.

by Anonymousreply 422December 17, 2021 1:36 PM

The other day Clare Foy (the Queen in The Crown Clare Foy) gave an interview after a three year hiatus and among the things she said was "we need people to stop killing and raping us." It really stayed with me. At the root of this story is a fundamental disregard for... decency? women? life? I don't know but it seems to me, in terms of society, there is more that is wrong with us than there has been since before we were civilized. From guys like this to politicians embracing lying... it's a free for all and it's pretty scary, as, probably, will be the pendulum swinging back, if it does.

by Anonymousreply 423December 17, 2021 1:39 PM

^In that story, Osborn is quoted telling an acquaintance exactly what happened. The girls OD'd. He came back the next a.m. from getting a Covid test for a job, and Cristy was dead. He helped Pearce drop the body at the hospital, then they came back and found that Hilda was near death, so they delivered her to the Kaiser Hospital. No mention of how Anspach was involved in this or if he was still at the apartment at this time...These guys are living the lives of guys in their 20s, they are WAY too old to be living this kind of lifestyle...The Post goes to the apartment bldg and finds the black Prius that was apparently used to dump the 2 bodies: "Five days after the bodies were discovered, The Post visited Pearce’s Los Angeles apartment and saw what appeared to be a black Prius — with California license plates — parked in a garage on the property. The car was partially hidden by the half-closed garage door."

by Anonymousreply 424December 17, 2021 1:39 PM

I don't know about you but I think talking about dumping the bodies was a mistake.

by Anonymousreply 425December 17, 2021 1:42 PM

Agreed, Rose, but if the girls' bodies show no signs of sexual assault, it will bolster the boys' story that the ladies basically just put themselves to sleep with some bad drugs...The worst the guys would face would be abandoning someone who was in dire need of medical attention (and they DID at least deliver them to the emergency rooms), rather than murder or manslaughter. The NEXT question would then become, why were the ladies overcome by the high toxicity of whatever treats they were sampling, but not the boys? Didn't the ladies want to share, was it a "bring your own drugs" party? How did THAT happen? It'll come down to what the toxicology report shows.

by Anonymousreply 426December 17, 2021 1:49 PM

^I.e. did the ladies' bodies contain traces of any kind of date-rape drug?

by Anonymousreply 427December 17, 2021 1:53 PM

R426...that's quite the generous interpretation. At the least, it's manslaughter. They might not have raped them because they OD'd. Who wants to rape someone having a seizure? Probably someone, but who knows if they did?

The girls wanted to leave around 5:30a, per their texts. The first girl was dumped 12 hours later and neighbors reported hearing painful moans all day. And rather than dump the girls together, they held the second girl for another 2 hours. Might she have lived if they dumped them at the same time? I'm not a doctor so who knows.

I'm also not a lawyer but it seems like these guys are pieces of shit and they are FUCKED.

I've never met them personally but I know so many of these types in LA. They live in a shitbox closet in "the right neighborhood" and despite being in LA for years, their careers are pathetic. The one guy was arrested while working as an EXTRA.

by Anonymousreply 428December 17, 2021 6:36 PM

R426 leaving an anonymous dead body on the sidewalk outside a hospital isn't delivering them to the emergency room

by Anonymousreply 429December 17, 2021 7:22 PM

These fucking girls need to take responsibility for themselves. Yes, the guys fucking suck. But I'm sure the girls took the drugs, went to hang out with these guys, and fucking OD'd. These miserable guys had no responsibility to take the girls to the hospital or call 911. Yes, they SHOULD have, but these women should have been more careful.

by Anonymousreply 430December 17, 2021 8:32 PM

I think the women were meeting up for some bi-curious exploration (Christy looks lez in that party photo!). I think Hilda Marcela was living a double life and maybe sowing some wild oats that her family didn’t know about. The guys promised them some crazy drugs at their place and talked them out of the party.

The men are pathetic losers. And now they’re in deep shit.

by Anonymousreply 431December 17, 2021 8:50 PM

"The whores deserved it! Free these innocent men!"

by Anonymousreply 432December 17, 2021 8:52 PM

Keep in mind that one of the three is a cameraman to give you an indication of the shady lowlife douchebags behind the scenes

by Anonymousreply 433December 17, 2021 8:52 PM

I can't imagine being so brain dead that my idea of small talk would be "Hey, I contributed to the death of two women. What a night!"

Of course it also explains why after so many years in LA, he was still working as an extra

by Anonymousreply 434December 17, 2021 8:55 PM

Yeah, but figure this - The most intelligent educated woman Hilda is the one that ended up DEAD.

by Anonymousreply 435December 17, 2021 8:57 PM

R435 they're both dead. How many of us made decisions when we were drunk or high (especially when we were young) that could've ended VERY badly if we'd been in the company of a psycho? I know I did.

by Anonymousreply 436December 17, 2021 8:59 PM

R436. You're 100% right. They made bad decisions. They weren't murdered, they just made really bad decisions.

by Anonymousreply 437December 17, 2021 9:49 PM

R437 I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like it's definitely manslaughter or negligent homicide. The girls were making plans to leave at 5:30a. They weren't dumped until the next night. I can't imagine ignoring (at the very least) someone dying in your home is legal.

Any DL legal beagles care to weigh in?

by Anonymousreply 438December 17, 2021 9:53 PM

Somebody is going to have to prove that one of the guys gave them a drug mix that killed them (PROVIDED there is no evidence of sexual assault, at which point the guys would get charged with murder/ manslaughter). If no sexual assault evidence, then they can certainly fight this out in court, point the finger at each other, simply blame the girls themselves, and see what happens. Since neither guy had any sign of drug toxicity (apparently), it seems fairly likely the guys slipped them something to knock them out and it killed them. I'm still perplexed by the neighbor's report of moaning coming from the apt for hours, though. There must be a lot of evidence the police are keeping mum about, or the neighbor is just bullshitting to seem important. If the guys slipped the girls something to knock them out for hours, how could someone have been moaning? It doesn't make sense.

by Anonymousreply 439December 17, 2021 9:59 PM

[quote] Good. But I still want to know why the girls agreed to leave with those shady dudes.

They were young, probably drunk, and probably high. A combination that does not inspire confidence in good decision-making on Saturday nights.

by Anonymousreply 440December 17, 2021 10:03 PM

R438 - if you gave them the drugs, then yes, you have all responsibility for what happens in the aftermath. If someone comes to your house and OD's on their own stuff, I don't know what the law is. It's kind of like that last Seinfeld episode, and the legal duty to rescue - it's a new development in the law in the US, some states impose such an obligation nowadays, and others don't. I don't know about CA although it does have a comparatively liberal legal system. The situation is compounded by the fact that it happened in the defendants' own home in the present case. And again, the tale of the moaning is important, it definitely adds a lot to the question of what was going on in that place. And we have indications that Pearce is a messed-up, bad dude from reports re his past.

by Anonymousreply 441December 17, 2021 10:04 PM

All 3 of those guys werent bad looking. Their game must really suck if they have to drug bitches to sleep with them.

by Anonymousreply 442December 17, 2021 10:12 PM

If the drugs belonged to the girls, why would the creeps have been so afraid to call 911? Not to mention the shitty attempt to dump the bodies a day later.

by Anonymousreply 443December 17, 2021 10:24 PM

^Because they had drugs of their own to worry about... I am NOT convinced the gals weren't poisoned, there is just not a clear story of how this all went down. For the neighbor's story to make sense about the moaning, Pearce (and maybe Osborn) must have been fucking these ladies (or, conceivably, torturing them) for quite a while, and THEN the ladies both died of overdoses. That seems somewhat unlikely to me, for it to have happened to 2 women at around the same time, hours later than their arrival at the apartment. It's still a confused story, despite seeming fairly straightforward.

by Anonymousreply 444December 17, 2021 10:32 PM

All fucking 5 of them had no common sense.

by Anonymousreply 445December 17, 2021 10:32 PM

[quote] These guys are living the lives of guys in their 20s, they are WAY too old to be living this kind of lifestyle...T

Yeah. These guys were living like bachelors in their mid-20s. Also, re: the girls ODing and then just dumping their bodies outside a hospital. Something you only expect to see from panicked teenagers and college students.

by Anonymousreply 446December 17, 2021 10:33 PM

R444 I don't think we'll ever know the truth. The girls are dead and the guys I wouldn't trust to microwave a TV dinner.

RE: the moaning. The could've been in pain but unable to move. Not necessarily being tortured or raped. The desperate coverup makes it seem like the guys were definitely responsible. But like I said, we'll never know the truth.

by Anonymousreply 447December 17, 2021 10:37 PM

Did the bodies have bruises or marks on them? The might have be down to fuck, that doesn't mean they were sexually abused. I think the guys just got in over their heads. they are stupid and panicked at the bad choices the women made. Im sure they didn't expect for the girls to overdose on their own drugs and die in their apartment. those ladies should have never went home with eh poor guys. IM sure this wasn't the first time these "models" used drugs and tried to work dumb guys for opportunity or a free drink.

by Anonymousreply 448December 17, 2021 10:42 PM

R448 thanks for telling us you're a fucking creep.

by Anonymousreply 449December 17, 2021 10:44 PM

^Yes, yes, it's ALL the models' fault, LOL. Those poor guys, victimized by the conniving WHORES... Pearce sounds like one of the kindest, most put-upon men who ever walked the earth. I'm surprised a new religion hasn't sprung up around him yet.

by Anonymousreply 450December 17, 2021 10:45 PM

Guys like this come to LA to be stars, end up going nowhere, and are emotionally stuck at 24, caring only about having "the right address" aka a shithole on the border of Beverly Hills, going to bars and working as background actors.

by Anonymousreply 451December 17, 2021 10:49 PM

[quote]Did the bodies have bruises or marks on them?

Christy Giles' didn't, according to one of the earlier DM articles.

by Anonymousreply 452December 17, 2021 10:50 PM

As a matter of evidence, those texts are going to be a tough thing for the boys. The ladies clearly WANTED to leave badly enough to summon a ride, and then never materialized outside when it arrived. The implication is that they were afraid and, apparently,there was something in that place that was seriously worth fearing.

by Anonymousreply 453December 17, 2021 10:55 PM

[quote] Guys like this come to LA to be stars, end up going nowhere, and are emotionally stuck at 24,

There was some serious arrested development going on inside that apartment for sure. It didn't help matters that they were probably feeding off of each others' career delusions.

by Anonymousreply 454December 17, 2021 10:55 PM

Bauer, who played Cuban drug lord Manny Ribera in the 1983 movie Scarface, said Pearce repeatedly made comments to him about drugging women to have sex with them, and that at a Beverly Hills party the two men attended, a girl told him Pearce had locked her in a room and raped her.

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by Anonymousreply 455December 17, 2021 10:56 PM

It doesn't make sense that the girls brought their own drugs. If they had drugs of their own, why would they choose to hang out with a bunch of sleazy obnoxious middle-aged losers that they'd just witnessed getting kicked out of the VIP area?

by Anonymousreply 456December 17, 2021 10:58 PM

[quote] If they had drugs of their own, why would they choose to hang out with a bunch of sleazy obnoxious middle-aged

Because those are precisely the age/type who would actually have real Hollywood connections/homes up in the Hollywood Hills. Certainly not young guys their own age.

by Anonymousreply 457December 17, 2021 11:01 PM

I've met so many desperate Z Listers like these guys in LA. They're everywhere, bragging about their one famous friend (usually someone who was a supporting character on a sitcom 15+ years ago) and talking about what they can do for your career. You learn to stay away. Fortunately I'm not a young woman.

by Anonymousreply 458December 17, 2021 11:04 PM

Yes, but as I said R457, Christy and Hilda were partying in the VIP area of the club, and Dave Pearce et al. GOT KICKED OUT OF SAID VIP AREA! Someone had found out they lied about being friends with the DJ or something. The two girls must have witnessed that situation. It should have been obvious to them that those guys were losers and poseurs. Christy Giles had also been a model for a decade, and lived in LA for half a decade; she should have smelled a wannabe like Dave Pearce from a mile away.

They were probably already drunk and/or high on something by the time they left, but I still feel like something doesn't add up.

by Anonymousreply 459December 17, 2021 11:09 PM

I read that story about Steven Bauer posted upthread. Why was he living with roommates in the 2000s? Fallen on hard financial times? Glad he spoke out, though.

by Anonymousreply 460December 17, 2021 11:10 PM

I hope video surfaces of the extra being arrested on Hollywood Blvd

by Anonymousreply 461December 17, 2021 11:14 PM

This story is so gross and depressing. And the stories about women getting roofied in WeHo. The David Pearce dude looks like a total creep. Something laced with fentanyl + rohypnol and the dudes panicked.

by Anonymousreply 462December 17, 2021 11:39 PM

I don't understand if it was heroin cut with fentanyl, it killed the two women, but the three guys with partied-for-decades bodies were fine? Enough to continue on with errands they had to do the next day.

If it was straight heroin, then the three are such hardened heroin users that it apparently had no effect, but was still strong enough to incapacitate and ultimately kill the younger two

by Anonymousreply 463December 17, 2021 11:39 PM

R463, moreover, who the hell parties with heroin? That's the exact opposite of a party drug.

by Anonymousreply 464December 17, 2021 11:42 PM

The suggestion is strong that the guys gave the ladies something that ultimately sedated them to death. But if they delayed giving it to them for hours, what was going on all that time? How or why did the ladies not get out of the house, since they had clearly wanted to leave shortly after arriving?

by Anonymousreply 465December 17, 2021 11:44 PM

I agree that Dave Pearce is pretty handsome (albeit in a sleazy sort of way), and maybe the third friend exaggerated when she described him and his friends as crazed, obnoxious, weird and so on. I think it's possible that they didn't seem all that bad that night, and she only saw (and WANTED to see) the red flags in hindsight. IIRC, a former victim/abused ex of Pearce's said he could be very charming in the early stages of a relationship.

The part where he and his entourage got kicked out, but Hilda and Christy still left with them is definitely weird though.

by Anonymousreply 466December 17, 2021 11:46 PM

If Osborn had freely (and VERY stupidly) already volunteered his story about what happened, to co-workers, you can bet he's already sung like a canary to the cops. If, as I suspect, Anspach wasn't there in the apartment with them, then it'll just be Osborn's word against Pearce's. If Anspach WAS inside, his testimony will decide how the case goes, I expect. Osborn seems guileless insofar as volunteering info about the night to casual acquaintances, and it indicates strongly that he doesn't feel like he did anything he should feel too guilty about. If he had been involved in raping those 2 ladies, he CERTAINLY would not have said a word about the night to anybody...Right?

by Anonymousreply 467December 17, 2021 11:53 PM

The third friend must be thanking her lucky stars she left early and feeling terrible she didn't make them go with her.

by Anonymousreply 468December 17, 2021 11:56 PM

I agree, R465, the timeline doesn't really make sense. The moaning overheard by the neighbor implies the girls were getting raped/abused (while still alive and conscious), but if that were the case you'd think SOMETHING would have been visible on their bodies. Scratches, bruises, abrasions, skin cells under the fingernails ... whatever. But I clearly remember an article saying NOTHING of the sort was found on Christy Giles' body, which led her mother to believe she must have been unconscious the whole time and incapable of fighting back (I think even then violent rape would have left marks on her skin, but who knows...).

by Anonymousreply 469December 17, 2021 11:58 PM

There's no way that two guys would assist dumping two dead bodies for their friend

They all had to have done something either with supplying drugs or sexual acts afterward to do something as out-of-their-minds and insane as dropping off two bodies at two different hospitals in the same area of LA and think they would get away with it

Especially in CULVER-FUCKING-CITY one of the most over-policed, over-governed city in California. Notable for installing the very first red-light camera in California near Fox Hills Mall

by Anonymousreply 470December 18, 2021 12:00 AM

^I keep imagining them stopping someplace close to the first hospital, taking off the car tag, then dumping the body, and then having to put the tag back on immediately (lest that cause a cop to stop the car). THEN they get home and realize they have to do the whole operation AGAIN for poor Hilda...

by Anonymousreply 471December 18, 2021 12:02 AM

"Did you remember the screwdriver?!"

"Yes, YES!! I've GOT it, now DRIVE!!"

by Anonymousreply 472December 18, 2021 12:04 AM

R469 have you never had the flu or anything of that nature? Depending on what drugs they were given, and clearly they were given something bad, you can feel like you got hit by a truck without any bruising or obvious signs. Hell, they might've been calling for help and the sounds were muffled by the walls.

by Anonymousreply 473December 18, 2021 12:06 AM

I wonder if these 3 losers have done this before. Get a couple of girls back to their place, drug them just enough so they don’t fight back, rape them, take pics/souvenirs. Then they would drop back at the club or somewhere else

But this time it got out of hand and they misjudged the dose or the drugs had too much fentanyl in it.

I don’t think this is the first time these assholes did his.

by Anonymousreply 474December 18, 2021 12:06 AM

If the guys had a lot of drugs in their possession, I can see them deciding to dump the bodies rather than summoning an ambulance or the police. VERY DUMB, yes, especially for 2 middle-aged guys, but rational, at least.

by Anonymousreply 475December 18, 2021 12:07 AM

Dumping the girls separately (and several hours apart) makes no logical sense. What exactly was the plan for Hilda after they dumped Christy?

And if a coroner can prove the girls would've lived if they'd gotten attention sooner...they're fuuuucked. No more Hollywood hanger on parties for you, Dave

by Anonymousreply 476December 18, 2021 12:08 AM

Maybe the 'moaning' the neighbor heard was porn? Maybe they were playing it at maximum volume while trying to figure out how to dispose of the bodies, so they could later claim the girls were still alive at that time and happily bouncing on their dicks?

I know I know, sounds like a bullshit theory ... but maybe they panicked and didn't think things through.

by Anonymousreply 477December 18, 2021 12:12 AM

Why did they leave with these guys. They thought they were going to a Hollywood Hills after party? Then one of the dudes is like relax, just a quick stop, come in for a minute?

by Anonymousreply 478December 18, 2021 12:12 AM

These guys had real jobs in the biz. Or did.

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by Anonymousreply 479December 18, 2021 12:14 AM

[quote]have you never had the flu or anything of that nature? Depending on what drugs they were given, and clearly they were given something bad, you can feel like you got hit by a truck without any bruising or obvious signs.

I've neither overdosed nor had the flu (not that I understand why the latter is relevant in this context). Are overdoses painful?

by Anonymousreply 480December 18, 2021 12:16 AM

R480 I'm saying it's possible to be in a lot of pain without being bruised or having obvious signs of trauma. Hence why they could've been moaning but not bruised

by Anonymousreply 481December 18, 2021 12:19 AM

R479 Ansbach is the only one who seemed to have a decent career and even his was...eh

[quote]Personal Quote: I don't want fame, I choose to be legendary. See more »

Nice job, Mike!

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by Anonymousreply 482December 18, 2021 12:21 AM

The coroner can tell with reasonable certainty how long Christy had been dead at the time when her body was first discovered at the hospital. And Osborn said that Hilda had a "faint pulse" when they came back to the apartment. (Without being a medical professional, I am skeptical that that average Joe could distinguish between a regular pulse and a "faint" one. Not an expert by any means, but maybe opioids really slow down the pulse?)

by Anonymousreply 483December 18, 2021 12:22 AM

According to reddit, this is the event where they met the douchebags

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by Anonymousreply 484December 18, 2021 12:23 AM

Can you link the reddit thread, 484?

by Anonymousreply 485December 18, 2021 12:24 AM

I think the moaning is a bit of a red herring. Who the fuck knows what the neighbor heard? It wasn’t alarming enough for them to call police, evidently.

This reminds me of the Joey Comunale case. Psycho kills some poor soul and his buttboys take care of the disposal of the body. They’re so terrified of being accomplices that they get in even deeper.

by Anonymousreply 486December 18, 2021 12:26 AM

R485 lots of chats about the LA party scene and the creeps in it

[quote]I’ve met two of the 3 arrested and let just you, the main guy is kinda charming and charismatic. He did the same thing to me about putting his number in my phone as “my husband “ - later I noticed huge red flags and blocked him from my phone, and my memory. I am not surprised his bail is set at 1m. The cameraman I also met separately, he dated a friend of mine and was polite enough, seemed like he was trying to be on his best behavior to impress my friend. Both of these guys have connections to Hollywood so young models who are trying to “make it” could be susceptible to their claims of knowing some person or going together to some other afterparty and ending up at some random guy’s house.

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by Anonymousreply 487December 18, 2021 12:27 AM

Thanks, R487!

by Anonymousreply 488December 18, 2021 12:28 AM

I agree on both scores, R486: I have a strong hunch the neighbor is bullshitting, and the whole crime is just like the bumbling Comunale caper. Without homos.

by Anonymousreply 489December 18, 2021 12:29 AM

Thanks for the link, r484. None of that makes any sense to me. But I do think that people were tripping balls at this thing and that probably clouded the women’s’ judgment.

The whole crowd and scene is so sinister to me. Similar characters in the Alexis Sharkey case.

by Anonymousreply 490December 18, 2021 12:29 AM

I suspect both the neighbor and friend #3 are bullshitting

by Anonymousreply 491December 18, 2021 12:32 AM

The Arrested Extra's Demo Reel. He was so close to his Academy Award

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by Anonymousreply 492December 18, 2021 12:35 AM

Even if the neighbor was lying, the Uber records will confirm that one of them called a car and that they were dumped a day later

by Anonymousreply 493December 18, 2021 12:36 AM

Re 492, Mr. Osborn is not as good an actor as I am, and I've never done it before in my entire life.

by Anonymousreply 494December 18, 2021 12:38 AM

R493, they were dumped later that day, no? Oh well, whatever.

So did the people on the set turn in the blabbermouth?

by Anonymousreply 495December 18, 2021 12:39 AM

^I don't think the new story about it says so, one way or the other. Christy's husbands access to her phone account showed their location through the evening, so the police new promptly that Pearce and Osborn's apartment was the last place they were before the night ended. The two perps would have been found with or without the co-workers having ratted on Osborn initially.

by Anonymousreply 496December 18, 2021 12:43 AM

So, has it been established if Dave Pearce has ties to the 'underground snuff porn scene'?

by Anonymousreply 497December 18, 2021 12:45 AM

^There has been discussion online as to whether there is, in fact, any such "scene" in the United States. Now in Mexico, on the other hand...

by Anonymousreply 498December 18, 2021 12:46 AM

That's an acting reel? Holy shit. Is he trying to prove he can't act?

by Anonymousreply 499December 18, 2021 12:47 AM

R497 he's a creep who rapes women. This time he killed them. Whether they're the first...shrug

by Anonymousreply 500December 18, 2021 12:47 AM

R498, I always thought the snuff porn theory was bullshit. It sounded too much like something 'Enty' of CrazyDaysAndNights would come up with.

I've seen a guy sharing the same out-there story about 'snuff producers' in his Venice neighborhood over and over again on different social media platforms. He claimed those people were being protected by gangs, and that he 'confronted' them after they attacked his ex girlfriend. Oh, and he found out that some of Christy Giles' instragram photos were taken in said neighborhood. I strongly suspect that same guy contacted her husband right after her death and told him the same story, and that in his intitial state of shock, Jan Cilliers believed it.

by Anonymousreply 501December 18, 2021 1:04 AM

Jesus Christ that acting reel is abysmal. No wonder at 42 hes a background stand in.

by Anonymousreply 502December 18, 2021 1:08 AM

Everyone wants to believe conspiracy theories over Occam's Razor.

by Anonymousreply 503December 18, 2021 1:09 AM

I hope the morons are too dumb to take a plea. The trial should be exciting.

by Anonymousreply 504December 18, 2021 1:54 AM

According to Christy Giles' mother, the LA District Attorney’s Office DECLINED to press charges against the three men for their involvement in Christy's and Hilda's deaths. Tbh I'm disappointed but not really surprised. It doesn't sound like either girl was sexually abused, and whether or not they took the drugs that killed them willingly would be hard to prove. However, Dave Pearce has been charged with 4 counts of sexual assault in other cases.

From Dusty Leslie Giles' Facebook account:

[quote]We are so saddened, frustrated and disappointed to get the news this evening that the LA District Attorney’s Office DECLINED to press charges against Pearce, Ansbach, and Osborn for their involvement in my daughter, Christy Lee Giles Cilliers and Hilda Marcela Cabrales-Arzola cases! However Pearce has been charged with 4 counts of sexual assault on other women, who bravely came forward. He is being held on 3 million dollars bail at this time- Unfortunately Ansbach and Osborn are walking FREE! Please help us pray for the LA District Attorney’s Office to do the right thing and FIGHT for Justice for Christy and Marcela. Let a jury of these mens peers hear the case the police have put together, and make a decision if these men are guilty or not!! Also the police are still tirelessly working on our daughter’s behalf- and remain focused!! Please anyone with any information contact the LAPD West Bureau Homicide Division (213-382-9470) or go online to the LAPD website and contact them via text, online contact form or call Crime Stoppers (800) 222-TIPS (8477)!

by Anonymousreply 505December 18, 2021 7:08 PM

Sounds like a simple OD.

by Anonymousreply 506December 18, 2021 10:04 PM

Legally, procedurally, the mother's statement about what the LA DA's position is does not make a lot of sense to me. Likewise the news story below is kind of confusing, and it seems to be the most up to date info on the case on the web. Was Pearce accused of rapes in the past, or is he CURRENTLY being charged with *other* rapes (maybe other women have come forward to file complaints since this news about Giles broke?). Ansbach and Osborn are not "charged," but they have posted bond and are out of jail on bond? If you aren't being charged, why do you have to pay a bond to get out of jail? It's nutty sounding. (There are strict time limits on how long the cops can hold you in jail without charging you with a crime.) It's hard for me to believe that the cops would have so quickly determined that these boys didn't do anything wrong here. At a minimum, there are issues involved with abandoning someone who was on the verge of death on the sidewalk in front of a hospital: you MIGHT NOT have a legal duty to try to save the life of a woman who was dying from taking her own drugs, but IF you undertake to secure aid (i.e. start driving them to the hospital), you surely have a legal obligation to carry it out and get them treatment, rather than just dumping them unconscious on the sidewalk near the building...I understand that Mother Giles is certainly not the greatest source for info about what is going on here, but I really don't think she's super clear about what is going on in the case right now.

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by Anonymousreply 507December 18, 2021 10:37 PM

I used to work with a guy named Jeff who looked at my dick while we talked and came on way too strong like he was always at a sex club. Once he realized I wasn't interested he ignored me and treated me like a stranger.

At a birthday dinner at Sur (of all places) Jeff was also there and was clearly connected with Brandt Osborn, talking quietly and texting while a few feet away. I knew that Jeff didn't waste time on guys who he wasn't blowing, so I assume prison won't be the first time Brandt engages in mansex

by Anonymousreply 508December 18, 2021 10:38 PM

^^"Pearce, 39, has been charged with “two counts of forcible rape and one count each of rape of an unconscious or asleep person and sexual penetration by a foreign object,” according to a statement released by the District Attorney’s office."

So it appears Pearce is charged with rape of both of them (while they were unconscious), and the other two guys are likely in trouble for helping dispose of the bodies. Just like in the Comunale case in New York in 2016...

by Anonymousreply 509December 18, 2021 10:47 PM

How exactly was that chick a “model”?

by Anonymousreply 510December 18, 2021 10:58 PM

She looks like a model in that photo by the ocean in the news story just above. A Gypsy model. Good enough for me.

by Anonymousreply 511December 18, 2021 11:07 PM

The saddest part of this story to me is that in a way it's society in a nutshell.

Ribera: oh hey, yeah, I knew the guy, he once raped a girl practically in front of me and I didn't do anything

The Scorpions dude: yeah, I remember, the dude who used fake IDs for underage girls he must have been statutory raping at the time

The husband: sure, as soon as I saw the address, I remembered that they were making snuff porn there. Allegedly.

The three douchebags: yeah, the two girls were dying for twelve hours in the next room but what can one do but put on a balaclava and later dump the bodies?

Everyone knows, no one does anything. Reminds of True Detective: we get the world we deserve.

by Anonymousreply 512December 19, 2021 3:07 AM

R512, also…

LA prosecutors: “Yeah, interfering with a corpse amd accessory after the fact is a thing, but we’re gonna take a pass…”

by Anonymousreply 513December 19, 2021 4:46 AM

R505, I feel badly for her mother, but I don't necessarily believe that she is an accurate narrator for what's actually happening re: the investigation.

by Anonymousreply 514December 19, 2021 4:55 AM

This article goes into a bit more detail

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by Anonymousreply 515December 19, 2021 6:16 AM

[quote]The husband: sure, as soon as I saw the address, I remembered that they were making snuff porn there. Allegedly.

I don't think he knew Dave Pearce before all this happened. Circa a day after Christy's death he posted Pearce' address on his instagram stories asking if anyone knew who lived there. He probably got dozens of DMs from people who had encountered Pearce or heard rumours about him, including the snuff porn stuff.

by Anonymousreply 516December 19, 2021 6:26 AM

Some instafrau who has been covering this case (@thezenblonde) posted that David Pearce' arraignment was scheduled for Wednesday, but that he avoided court by refusing to take a covid test(!).

How is that even possible? Can't they just handcuff him and ram that fucking thing down his diseased throat?

by Anonymousreply 517December 23, 2021 5:37 PM

I am sure they have been doing those hearings on Zoom up until this point. Another option is to just let an asshole like this sit in jail and WAIT for arraignment, until the Court feels like in-person appearances are safe again, which could be sometime this Summer...

by Anonymousreply 518December 23, 2021 5:43 PM

Could be, R518, but I'm sure the victims' families would prefer to see him arraigned sooner rather than later

by Anonymousreply 519December 23, 2021 5:48 PM

Hilda with Pearce at that club:

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by Anonymousreply 520December 23, 2021 5:59 PM

(Nothing on the web today about any postponement of the arraignment, from yesterday, nor anything about it having taken place.)

by Anonymousreply 521December 23, 2021 6:01 PM

She really does look bored in that pic

by Anonymousreply 522December 23, 2021 10:32 PM

"Slutty" is the word that comes to MY mind.

by Anonymousreply 523December 23, 2021 10:36 PM

Pearce is kinda hot,you cant deny that.

by Anonymousreply 524December 23, 2021 10:44 PM

Hilda has REALLY bad eye make-up that night. I wonder if it contributed to her death?

by Anonymousreply 525December 23, 2021 10:59 PM

I hate to admit it, but I agree, R524. He also seems to be aging quite well. Doesn't look much older than in pics from 2008-ish.

Some "true crime influencer" on TikTok claimed that Hilda had been on a few dates with Pearce. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere else though; in fact most articles said the girls had never met any of these men before. The 3rd girl who was there that night also said there didn't seem to be any romantic/sexual interest on Hilda's part.

by Anonymousreply 526December 23, 2021 11:03 PM

Big Dave IS being charged with 2 other rape / sexual assault charges while he's chillin in the pokey for drugging the 2 "models."

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by Anonymousreply 527December 24, 2021 11:19 PM

Holy fucking shit, check out this woman's Facebook page. She claims to have been engaged to David Pearce and is allegedly collaborating with Christy Giles' husband and the FBI. Allegedly she's also Andy Dick's "BFF", worked for Ron Jeremy and still calls herself his "princess"(!) (no, she doesn't believe he's a rapist).

I stumpled upon her when reading comments about the Christy/Hilda case on Facebook. She constantly contradicts herself (like when she calls David Peace a creep for being into porn despite her own alleged friendship/working relationship with Ron Jeremy, or calls Jeremy himself a creep), but it's a trainwreck of epic proportions.

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by Anonymousreply 528January 1, 2022 5:47 AM

Sounds like more than one storyline line from L&O: Special Victims Unit.

by Anonymousreply 529January 1, 2022 5:55 AM

Here is one of her posts about David Pearce and Brandt Osborn. Her writing is so convoluted that I'm not sure if she's talking about the same party where Christy and Hilda met the suspects.

For those who don't have Facebook:

[quote]Brandt Osborn, & Dave Pearce Invited Andy Dick & I Backstage For The Kaskade Concert To Meet Kaskade, We However Did Not Leave For His After Party. He Is Known For Luring Girls, & Aspiring Young Models Lying About Being Ron Jeremy's Nephew, I Had Actually Cared For Him, I'm So Sorry That More Lives Have Been Taken, He Was Banned From The Rainbow With Brandt Osborn Over A Year Ago. I Hope & Pray More Women Come Forward! He Used Fake Names & Alias Dave Bryant & Was Also Scamming Girls On Craigslist For Rooms For Rent. I Contacted My Attorney Stu Goldfarb Today Concerning My Police Interview With The LAPD, Stu Called Him A Creep & Scum Bag!

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by Anonymousreply 530January 1, 2022 5:55 AM

If this case goes to court, somehow I doubt that someone who defends Ron Jeremy AND Andy Dick will be called as a witness for the prosecution ...

Anyway, that Facebook page is one big car crash you can't look away from. She really seems to know both Dick and Jeremy. Oh, and she also claims she lived with Corey Feldman for a while, and that Andy Dick said David Pearce was gay (not sure it's common for gay men to drug and rape one woman after another, but okay...)

by Anonymousreply 531January 1, 2022 6:21 AM

Is there an app that capitalizes the first letter of every word? Because that’s a lot of extra work. All caps, I understand. But capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word? That’s dedication.

And a sign of insanity.

by Anonymousreply 532January 1, 2022 3:25 PM

These folks have a different idea of what a “model” is, don’t they?

And, apparently, being in a photo with a celebrity equals celebrity to them. Huh.

by Anonymousreply 533January 1, 2022 3:29 PM

r532, my ex, whom I'm convinced is bi-polar, writes like this on his Facebook posts.

by Anonymousreply 534January 1, 2022 8:10 PM

Un-PC opinion, but I think I'm beginning to understand how David Pearce could get away with his crimes for so long. He probably knew how to pick his victims. That website that lists his alleged wrongoings (thedirty.com) is obviously aimed at the trashiest of people, and if Kali Nolen is anything to go by, well … It seems he went for the pathologically needy, attention-hungry, desperate, unstable and frankly, intellectually challenged - women who either wouldn't go to the police, or if they did, wouldn't be believed because they're walking poster children for mental illness and incapable of telling a story in a coherent fashion.

Christy Giles however was different. I don't know anything about Hilda, but having followed Christy on social media for a while, she seemed a bit full herself and annoyingly woke, but reasonably intelligent and well-adjusted. I do believe she would NOT normally get involved with someone like David Pearce, which makes this whole thing even more confusing.

by Anonymousreply 535January 4, 2022 5:38 AM

[quote] So this is a case that could go either way on here

Either way? It was easily solved.

by Anonymousreply 536January 4, 2022 10:35 AM

R535, I think these gals were soft-core sex workers. Maybe not streetwalking hookers, but there’s a lot of gray area in that shady scene. What did she actually do to earn money? Because even if she were getting legitimate modeling jobs, it’s not possible to support yourself that way, especially the kind of traveling and shit she was doing.

I had a theory that they were working in tandem because it was “safer”. Or that Hilda was leading a double life, where she was somewhat respectable in her regular life and dabbling with some lesbian and drug escapades at night. I know that women pose provocatively together for IG photos and SM, but Christy was pinging off the charts for me.

by Anonymousreply 537January 4, 2022 7:29 PM

[quote]I think these gals were soft-core sex workers. Maybe not streetwalking hookers, but there’s a lot of gray area in that shady scene. What did she actually do to earn money? Because even if she were getting legitimate modeling jobs, it’s not possible to support yourself that way, especially the kind of traveling and shit she was doing.

Not sure about Hilda, but Christy Giles? Absolutely. I mean, 90% of her IG is her posing half naked with a "come hither" look. It's also telling that someone made her twitter private after her death - I guess they don't want people to see the full frontal nudes ("tastefully" done, but still...), exchanges with people that flat out accused her of fucking guys in exchange for gifts, or tweets about her porn star ex roommate.

And there's another thing - when I first checked out her instagram circa a year ago, she had a link to a modeling agency in her bio. A few months ago (before her death) I looked at her page again and noticed it had disappeared. I wonder if she was fired by her agency, or her contract had run out. She also sounded depressed in her last few tweets.

Oh, and then there was that chick on TikTok, allegedly a friend of Christy's, who claimed she "associated with very wealthy, powerful men", or something like that.

So yeah ... I'd be surprised if there wasn't some kind of escorting going on. However, somehow I doubt that these girls were the kind of escorts who'd spontaneously go home with a guy (or a group of guys) they'd just met at a party, especially if said guys seemed like weird, obnoxious wannabe losers ... which is how the 3rd friend described David Pearce and his entourage. But who knows ... maybe they really were desperate, too high to see the red flags, or, as you said, thought it would be save working as a tandem.

by Anonymousreply 538January 9, 2022 5:46 AM

One thing that seems important to me is the time Christ Giles' body was dumped at the hospital - around 5 p.m on november 13. Sunset that day was at 4:49 in LA (I looked it up). Does that mean it would already have been dark at 5 p.m.? Wouldn't there have been a long period of dawn/dusk?

If they did NOT wait until after dark to drop her off, I think that would lend *some* credibility to the men's claims that they tried to save her. Obviously, they still would have wasted a lot of time removing the license plates from the car etc. It also doesn't explain why Hilda wound up at a different hospital 2 hours later. Still, I think it's worth looking at.

by Anonymousreply 539January 9, 2022 6:15 AM

[quote]It was easily solved.

Almost too easily. Not only did the husband find out who did it within 24 hours of his wife's death, and not only was the main perp known for drugging and raping women; one of the accomplices even confessed to a collegue (not the murder/drugging, but disposing of the bodies).

Somehow I feel like it all went too smoothly ...

by Anonymousreply 540January 9, 2022 2:45 PM

Reminds me of Carol Wayne and Lana Clarkson. Had brief careers, both careers fizzled and they took to hanging out in clubs and going home with and on vacations with guys they just met. They don’t call it escorting. They call it “being models” and “former starlets.”

by Anonymousreply 541January 13, 2022 7:34 PM

R538 You would be surprised what women will do when there are (free) snorting powders involved.

by Anonymousreply 542January 13, 2022 7:41 PM

[quote] Somehow I feel like it all went too smoothly ..

Yah, because these guys are obviously criminal masterminds who live in a grimy apartment and pick up unsuspecting women (who are looking to use them for drugs & money) in order to carry out some brilliant murder plot someone like Christy’s genius husband paid for

by Anonymousreply 543January 13, 2022 7:41 PM

David Pearce is bisexual and once had a fling with Andy Dick, his former fiancee claims.

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by Anonymousreply 544January 14, 2022 8:24 AM

Lol, R543, I already admitted that I probably just read too many murder mystery stories where you have half a dozen plot twists, and the real murderer always follows some complicated, elaborate plan. Obviously real-life crime is different. And there's no way Christy's husband (or anyone else) could have planned this.

I just can't wrap my head around the part where one of the perps told a collegue how they disposed of the bodies, or, as one article described it, BRAGGED about it. I can only guess that's what decades of heavy drug use + hanging around people with absolutely no moral compass will do to your brain.

by Anonymousreply 545January 14, 2022 8:29 AM

R544 yikes

by Anonymousreply 546January 18, 2022 9:53 PM

David Pearce STILL not charged in the deaths of Christy Giles and Hilda Cabrales, pleads not guilty to unrelated rape charges. His lawyer accuses prosecutors of having "'dusted off' old sexual assault allegations as a pretext to keep him locked up while gathering evidence in the deaths of the two women".

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by Anonymousreply 547February 1, 2022 7:46 PM

On a sidenote, it annoys me that the comment section of EVERY SINGLE Daily Mail article about this case has been "moderated in advance" lately, with less than 10 comments going through.

The DM often moderates comments on sensitive topics, but they're rarely that consistent. Usually they will moderate one article about a certain topic, but not the next one and so on. Or they do moderate, but let a few hundred comments go through, not just a handful (see the somewhat similar case of Lauren Smith-Fields).

I want more comments on this case. They're usally more interesting than the official updates. In between the victim shaming/complaints about victim shaming, you'll sometimes stumble upon interesting bits of information from people who knew the victims or (alleged) perps.

by Anonymousreply 548February 1, 2022 7:50 PM

[quote]Reminds me of Carol Wayne and Lana Clarkson. Had brief careers, both careers fizzled and they took to hanging out in clubs and going home with and on vacations with guys they just met. They don’t call it escorting. They call it “being models” and “former starlets.”

Are you sure about Carol Wayne, wasn't she married to a very wealthy man, TV producer, Burt Sugarman?

Carol died a mysterious death, from drowning, she was afraid of the water. During one of her many appearances on Johnny Carson's talk show, she mentioned her fear of water and swimming. Carol was 42 when she died.

Carol did go on vacation with his guy, then died: "In January 1985, Wayne and companion, car salesman, Edward Durston were vacationing at the Las Hadas Resort in Manzanillo, Colima, Mexico. After they had an argument, Wayne reportedly took a walk on the beach. Three days later, a local fisherman found Wayne's body in the shallow bay. An autopsy performed in Mexico revealed no signs of alcohol or other drugs in her body. Her death was ruled "accidental." "

by Anonymousreply 549February 7, 2022 7:20 AM

R549. Carol was really at the end of her career. She had posed for Playboy and had no job prospects. Edward Durston is a strange guy. I can't remember , but he was also involved with another "accidental." death. Anyone remember this?

by Anonymousreply 550February 8, 2022 4:36 PM

Any update on these dumb whores?

by Anonymousreply 551March 17, 2022 6:00 PM

I don't think so, R551. No real updates since December. This case intrigues me for a number of reasons, so I find the lack of news pretty frustrating. From what I'm aware, it hasn't even been confirmed that the girls really died of heroin overdoses, or if they were raped. All we have is the family's version of events (forced heroin injection! sexual abuse! snuff porn!), and a statement by LAPD that 'the investigation is very much still ongoing'. David Pearce was arrested, but apparently he has NOT yet been charged in this case (he was charged with having raped four other women though).

by Anonymousreply 552March 17, 2022 9:02 PM

R552. It's a VERy interesting crime. I wonder how long this is gonna drag out? Did the other 2 guys not get charged with anything?

by Anonymousreply 553March 17, 2022 9:23 PM

Her husband "suspects" murder?

by Anonymousreply 554March 17, 2022 9:40 PM

I think the women just took too many drugs, and OD'd. Im not even sure the drugs cam from the David Pearce and his friends. No accountability on the part of those 2 women

by Anonymousreply 555March 17, 2022 10:29 PM

R55, Pearce's reputation precedes him, he is infamous for being a predator. Do you really think a guy who has a history of drugging and raping women made an exception for these two women? Even Steven Bauer says he's a rapist.

From the link at R455:

[quote]Bauer, who played Cuban drug lord Manny Ribera in the 1983 movie Scarface, said Pearce repeatedly made comments to him about drugging women to have sex with them, and that at a Beverly Hills party the two men attended, a girl told him Pearce had locked her in a room and raped her.

[quote]The actor said that while at the house party around 2008, Pearce disappeared for a while with a young Latina woman, and her female friend became concerned.

[quote]Bauer said that as he and the female friend started looking for the missing woman, she burst out of a room sobbing, shortly followed by Pearce.

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[quote]‘She said “he cornered me and he locked the door. And I told him I didn't want to do anything. I didn't like him. And he said yes you like me. And he forced himself on me.”

[quote]‘I said, “Did he hurt you?” And she said, “He raped me.”

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[quote]‘He was always implying that he had either Quaaludes or date rape drugs.

[quote]‘He would say, “What do you think I'm going to do with her?” And I'd say, “Yeah, but you can't just scam your way past all young females, and he said “You want to bet? I have other ways – as if you don't know what I'm talking about.”

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by Anonymousreply 556March 17, 2022 11:54 PM

R556 should have been a reply to R555.

by Anonymousreply 557March 18, 2022 12:24 AM

I think the third girl who was at the warehouse party is lying or holding something back. Firstly, her story makes no sense to me. David Pearce et al. acted 'crazed' and obnoxious, got kicked out of the VIP area of the club because they'd lied about knowing one of the performers, yet Christy and Hilda got into their car, naively expecting to get chauffeured to some fancy afterparty? Not buying it. Christy Giles had lived in LA for years, modeled for a decade, and had probably encountered her fair share of poseurs and predators during those years. I mean, obviously they DID get in the car, but either the men weren't as in-your-face off-putting as the friend claims they were, or there's something missing from the story. Secondly, the friend only came forward (anonymously) after almost 3 weeks. The girls were found dead/almost dead on November 13; by the 17th the story was all over the news, but the Daily Mail article with the friend's account wasn't published until December 3. What took her so long?

I'm thinking she witnessed something at that warehouse party that the girls' familes don't want the public to know about.

by Anonymousreply 558March 18, 2022 12:54 AM

R558, like what? Not doubting you just wondering what you think might have happened.

by Anonymousreply 559March 18, 2022 1:05 AM

Some girl on TikTok claimed Hilda had been on a few dates with David Pearce. At first I didn't take it seriously, because I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere else, and Christy Giles' husband was adamant she/her friends would never hang out with someone like Pearce.

But now I'm thinking.... maybe there's a grain of truth to what she said. I still don't believe Hilda DATED Pearce, but maybe she (or Christy) had met him before.

by Anonymousreply 560March 18, 2022 1:06 AM

Someone woke up the conspiracy nuts.

by Anonymousreply 561March 18, 2022 1:09 AM

R559, honestly, I have no idea, I just feel like something doesn't add up.

The only scenario I can think of is that (as mentioned in R560) one of the girls could have met Pearce before/run in the same circles as him, and the family doesn't want that to come out because of his awful reputation. But this is really pure speculation ....

by Anonymousreply 562March 18, 2022 1:11 AM

R561, so the 3rd friend's story makes perfect sense to you? You really think those two women were THAT naive?

by Anonymousreply 563March 18, 2022 1:15 AM

R563 I think when you're young, drunk and high, you can make stupid decisions. I know I did. When you make stupid decisions in the presence of a predator like Dave Pearce, things can go really bad.

by Anonymousreply 564March 18, 2022 1:18 AM

Thank you, R562.

by Anonymousreply 565March 18, 2022 1:19 AM

Granted, R 564. Hoever, those men didn't just 'give off a bad vibe' (according to the friend). They were also kicked out of the VIP area where Christy and Hilda were partying. How did those two groups end up together?

by Anonymousreply 566March 18, 2022 1:21 AM

R566 who knows? Maybe an offer of good drugs. Maybe they turned on the charm. We do know that the girls eventually got creeped out and called an Uber. The car came and they never showed.

by Anonymousreply 567March 18, 2022 1:23 AM

R567, yes, it seems likely they offered them drugs. I'm just wondering how they crossed paths again after Pearce' and his friends got kicked out of the VIP area. Had they exchanged numbers, or did the men lurk at the exit waiting for the girls to come out

In any case, high or not, I'm NOT buying that the girls believed those sketchy dudes would take them to a glamourous afterparty, which seems to be the official version of events.

by Anonymousreply 568March 18, 2022 1:55 AM

R556, Not sure about Hilda, but Christy was found without visible injuries from what I remember. And if they'd really been raped, I think it would have been reported.

I'm guessing the men planned on having their way with the girls while they were unconscious, but freaked out when they realized Christy was dead/dying, and just wanted to get rid of them. The 'snuff porn' theory is obviously bullshit. It's clear as day they didn't plan on killing the girls.

This is gonna sound awful, but if they'd been raped, it would make this case much easier to solve. Without any signs of violence or sexual abuse, I imagine it will be extremely hard to prove that whatever killed the girls was forced on them against their will/given to them without their knowledge.

by Anonymousreply 569March 18, 2022 2:23 AM

Is heroin frequently used as a date rape drug? GHB, roofies or ketamine seem to be more common.

by Anonymousreply 570March 19, 2022 8:57 PM

r558. I agree. Those girls had mileage on them and I think SOMETHING happened that would tarnish the girls reputations. The story just doesn't make any sense and its interesting how nothing NEW has been reported. The Naïveté of the girls is questionable..

by Anonymousreply 571March 27, 2022 7:34 PM

*Update*

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by Anonymousreply 572April 3, 2022 11:14 AM

Haven't been following this, so I need a clarification: is the "architect" here on an Einstein visa?

by Anonymousreply 573April 3, 2022 12:15 PM

[quote] Is heroin frequently used as a date rape drug?

Whatever is handy I suppose

Pearce was charged Friday, however, in connection with four other crimes. He stands accused of sexually assaulting a woman in 2010 and had allegedly "raped a woman in February 2019 and two other women in separate incidents last year," DA Gascón's office said in a statement obtained by PEOPLE Friday.

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by Anonymousreply 574April 4, 2022 12:18 AM

R572, unfortunately I can't access that site (I'm not in the US). Could someone give a short summary? Did they both die of heroin overdoses?

by Anonymousreply 575April 4, 2022 1:16 AM

Giles’ cause of death was listed as “multiple drug intoxication,” according to reports by the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner-Coroner’s office obtained by People. She had a fatal mix of cocaine, fentanyl, ketamine and gamma-hydroxybutyrate acid (GHB) — often referred to as the “date rape drug” — in her system when she died.

Cabrales-Arzola died from multiple organ failure and “multiple drug intoxication,” according to the report. She tested positive for cocaine and MDMA and other drugs that were undetermined.

r272's story doesn't specify heroin

by Anonymousreply 576April 4, 2022 1:24 AM

It's odd that heroin isn't even mentioned in the toxicology results. Both Christy's husband and mother said heroin was found in Hilda's system. Was it one of the "undetermined drugs"? With all the attention this case got, especially the speculation about "forcible heroin injection", you'd think it would be confirmed if one or both of the girls had heroin in her system.

by Anonymousreply 577April 4, 2022 4:34 AM

Thanks, R576!

by Anonymousreply 578April 4, 2022 4:35 AM

R575

Google is your friend...

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by Anonymousreply 579April 4, 2022 4:44 AM

Slutty Model's Lives Matter

by Anonymousreply 580April 4, 2022 4:51 AM

Now that the case is finally moving forward, it seems likely we'll get to part 2. Should we just use this thread, starting at reply 2?

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by Anonymousreply 581April 4, 2022 4:51 AM

Damn millennials can’t hold their booze an’ dope.

by Anonymousreply 582April 5, 2022 3:50 AM

[R580] Apostrophes matter: their placement and omission.

by Anonymousreply 583April 5, 2022 8:09 AM

Jan Cilliers just posted a link to this article on Christy's instagram stories. It contains a few interesting details that I haven't read anywhere else.

[quote]At 4:19 p.m., cameras recorded Pearce carrying Giles downstairs to where his black Toyota Prius was parked with its license plates removed.

[quote]an hour later, video showed Pearce carrying a “partially clad” Cabrales down the stairs

[quote]The doctor who performed Giles and Cabrales’ autopsies noted no sexual or physical trauma, but nurses who treated Cabrales in the hospital noted slight bleeding and a small abrasion in her vagina.

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by Anonymousreply 584April 23, 2022 3:00 AM

Hilda was in a coma for more than a week. By the time the autopsy was performed, the small abrasion in her vagina had probably healed (or don't wounds heal normally in comatose/braindead patients? Serious question).

by Anonymousreply 585April 23, 2022 3:09 AM
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