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What Makes Italian Men So Hot?

I think it’s the dark hair.

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by Anonymousreply 576January 20, 2022 11:25 PM

Yep, thick black hair and brown skin, large dark eyes. Beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 1November 10, 2021 12:18 AM

Clothes make the man. They dress well.

by Anonymousreply 2November 10, 2021 12:21 AM

Their sensuality and their big dicks have always made me cum.

by Anonymousreply 3November 10, 2021 12:25 AM

It's the way they slaughter saying gobbagool and constant " .. ey!"

by Anonymousreply 4November 10, 2021 12:25 AM

What makes the Hottentots so hot? What have they got that I haven't got?

by Anonymousreply 5November 10, 2021 12:27 AM

Uncut dicks.

by Anonymousreply 6November 10, 2021 12:28 AM

The swag

by Anonymousreply 7November 10, 2021 12:29 AM

Yes they are HOT!

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by Anonymousreply 8November 10, 2021 12:30 AM

Italians are GORGEOUS!

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by Anonymousreply 9November 10, 2021 12:33 AM

Masculinity, just like black dudes

by Anonymousreply 10November 10, 2021 12:33 AM

Young Al Pacino. The eyes.

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by Anonymousreply 11November 10, 2021 12:33 AM

Mama's boys make for good fucks.

by Anonymousreply 12November 10, 2021 12:34 AM

Best looking men ever!

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by Anonymousreply 13November 10, 2021 12:39 AM

They got it going on!

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by Anonymousreply 14November 10, 2021 12:42 AM

Their accents and suckable foreskins.

by Anonymousreply 15November 10, 2021 12:44 AM

Beautiful!

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by Anonymousreply 16November 10, 2021 12:45 AM

Machismo and swag

by Anonymousreply 17November 10, 2021 12:50 AM

they're retarded and some find that attractive

by Anonymousreply 18November 10, 2021 12:51 AM

Hot but do not age well most of the time

by Anonymousreply 19November 10, 2021 12:52 AM

That thick Italian meat always spreads the hole wide.

by Anonymousreply 20November 10, 2021 12:54 AM

They have that something extra...

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by Anonymousreply 21November 10, 2021 12:59 AM

Andrea Bocelli with his two sons - just sayin'.

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by Anonymousreply 22November 10, 2021 1:22 AM

Thick dicks (practically guaranteed), their manly faces (they could never look good in women’s makeup), and their darker complexion and hair make them seem more manly than other men, effortlessly.

I don’t like how fastidiously hygienic they always seem to be, though.

I prefer the fit Italian-American men (of mostly Sicilian lineage) over the fairer Italians of northern Italy.

by Anonymousreply 23November 10, 2021 1:35 AM

[quote] I don’t like how fastidiously hygienic they always seem to be, though.

Why not? Cleaner is always a positive in my book.

by Anonymousreply 24November 10, 2021 1:36 AM

[quote] What Makes Italian Men So Hot?

It the sausage, the bit fat juicy Italian sausage.

by Anonymousreply 25November 10, 2021 1:41 AM

[quote] Why not? Cleaner is always a positive in my book.

I would prefer they smell like men at the end of a long day (you know what I mean), rather than soap, laundry detergent, and dryer sheets.

by Anonymousreply 26November 10, 2021 1:43 AM

[quote]What Makes Italian Men So Hot? I think it’s the dark hair.

I beg to differ.

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by Anonymousreply 27November 10, 2021 1:45 AM

The nose

by Anonymousreply 28November 10, 2021 1:49 AM

R27 You do realize that that actor was Swedish?

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by Anonymousreply 29November 10, 2021 1:53 AM

R27 Ah the number of hard pedo cocks that face triggered.

by Anonymousreply 30November 10, 2021 1:59 AM

impeccable hygiene, tasty natural dicks and sweet edible holes

by Anonymousreply 31November 10, 2021 2:02 AM

John Brocco is. a good example.

by Anonymousreply 32November 10, 2021 2:08 AM

It's the dark hair? Sure, OP.

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by Anonymousreply 33November 10, 2021 2:16 AM

Big time bottom boys.

by Anonymousreply 34November 10, 2021 2:30 AM

The absence of Spanish men.

by Anonymousreply 35November 10, 2021 2:37 AM

[quote] I would prefer they smell like men at the end of a long day (you know what I mean),

That makes one of us.

by Anonymousreply 36November 10, 2021 2:39 AM

[quote] [R27] Ah the number of hard pedo cocks that face triggered.

How old was he?

by Anonymousreply 37November 10, 2021 3:14 AM

Bjorn Andresen is not Italian and he was never hot. So doesn't fit this thread either way.

by Anonymousreply 38November 10, 2021 3:16 AM

[quote] How old was he?

Past peak ripeness.

by Anonymousreply 39November 10, 2021 3:19 AM

I mean... look at this face. How can anyone say no to this man if he wants to cum on ya?

Pic is actor Michele Morrone.

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by Anonymousreply 40November 10, 2021 4:16 AM

Hairy body

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by Anonymousreply 41November 10, 2021 4:26 AM

Dark hair, olive skin and wifebeaters

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by Anonymousreply 42November 10, 2021 4:29 AM

Newish tennis star Mateo Barrettini.

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by Anonymousreply 43November 10, 2021 4:30 AM

Cheeky flirts

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by Anonymousreply 44November 10, 2021 4:30 AM

[quote] Newish tennis star Mateo Barrettini.

I am on Berreteami. 🐻

by Anonymousreply 45November 10, 2021 4:32 AM

I'm talking about Italians, not Italian Americans.

IMO, they do dress better, clothes more fitted to the body. Better shoes. Better sense of style.

Also, IME, Italians appreciate beauty and the effort that it takes to look good.

That said, maybe they appreciate it too much. Heartbreaker city.

by Anonymousreply 46November 10, 2021 4:33 AM

Young Robert De Niro

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by Anonymousreply 47November 10, 2021 4:33 AM

Mario Ermito

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by Anonymousreply 48November 10, 2021 5:18 AM

Fabricio Zunino

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by Anonymousreply 49November 10, 2021 5:20 AM

He's stunning:

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by Anonymousreply 50November 10, 2021 5:22 AM

Big, often Roman, noses.

by Anonymousreply 51November 10, 2021 5:57 AM

Our wry wit.

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by Anonymousreply 52November 10, 2021 6:12 AM

Even with the half-beard, he's hot.

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by Anonymousreply 53November 10, 2021 6:36 AM

Italian men are hot because they are perfect.

That swarthy skin. The smoldering brown eyes.

They are the best.

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by Anonymousreply 54November 10, 2021 1:43 PM

I used to find Italian men quite hot generally, but it was kind of spoiled by fucking an Italian guy who was a rather messy bottom who had a disappointingly average, fairly thin dick. Probably unfair/racist to be put off an entire nationality after one bad experience, but it definitely killed it.

by Anonymousreply 55November 10, 2021 2:42 PM

Italians love being Italian. They embrace their culture, their faults are virtues. The men are spoiled from birth, expecting to be loved. They dress well, bella figura. All of this, along with dark sensual looks...well.

Italian Americans echo some of this, but lack any grace.

by Anonymousreply 56November 10, 2021 2:52 PM

I think it is the chest hair and that poor boy needs to throw the razor away.

by Anonymousreply 57November 10, 2021 2:57 PM

My god, R49. Che bellezza!

by Anonymousreply 58November 10, 2021 8:06 PM

[quote]That swarthy skin.

DARK skin?

Dark?

Dark?

by Anonymousreply 59November 11, 2021 4:39 AM

Dark?

DArk?

DARk?

DARK?

by Anonymousreply 60November 11, 2021 6:07 AM

They are good at fixing things. They are dependable.

by Anonymousreply 61November 11, 2021 6:13 AM

[QUOTE] Pic is actor Michele Morrone.

That’s the guy who should’ve played Oliver in Call Me By Your Name.

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by Anonymousreply 62November 11, 2021 12:40 PM

Fuck! Who would say no to an Italian weatherbeaten deckhand?

by Anonymousreply 63November 11, 2021 12:42 PM

Eye-talianos have great mammas

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by Anonymousreply 64November 11, 2021 1:08 PM

Italian men (and women, for that matter), tend to be super attractive and beautiful when they are young, but by the time middle age hits, tend to balloon outward and lose their looks. Not all, but many.

by Anonymousreply 65November 11, 2021 1:13 PM
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by Anonymousreply 66November 11, 2021 1:14 PM

For my money the late great gay pornstar Giorgio Canali is still the most beautiful Italian I've laid eyes upon.

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by Anonymousreply 67November 11, 2021 1:19 PM

Giorgio Canali as he was meant to be seen.

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by Anonymousreply 68November 11, 2021 4:19 PM

Getting to know their beautiful mothers.

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by Anonymousreply 69November 11, 2021 4:49 PM

Their usually girthy cocks does it for me.

by Anonymousreply 70November 11, 2021 4:53 PM

Aesthetically, they're great. Nice, hairy, olive-skinned, hunky, handsome, passionate hunks.

But the upbringing and clingyness to their mothers who spoil them and do everything for them.... that's quite off-putting.

But if the Italian guy grew up without a mom and grandmother in his life, and is generally fairly detached from his family, then that'd be ideal.

by Anonymousreply 71November 11, 2021 5:16 PM

Dark eyes dark hair, what not to like

by Anonymousreply 72November 11, 2021 5:39 PM

The suave Italians are the best. The sexy guido studs are great for a roll in the hey. But the classy Italian men bring sexy to another level Just take a look at any of Danilo Romolini's videos. As suave as he is at his tender age I can only imagine what he'll be like when he reaches 50.

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by Anonymousreply 73November 11, 2021 10:52 PM

As anyone who’s actually been to Italy knows they are confusing as fuck, the young guys travel the streets and piazzas in small groups, wearing tight pants , hanging off each other like boyfriends even when they are straight. They are sending mixed signals or possibly gay baiting.

by Anonymousreply 74November 12, 2021 12:06 AM

They are not gay baiting and they are not sending mixed signals. The young male bonding and intimacy is true all the way around the Mediterranean and deep into the Middle and Near East, too.

by Anonymousreply 75November 12, 2021 12:41 AM

Italian men are hot because they put their best features and personality forward. They will charm. Dress as fine as they can within their means. They have attractive apartments and home, no matter the budget. They are very clever and creative, but they can turn out fine engineers, too. The aristocrats are more elegant the the French aristocrats. The hoodlums are sexier and more alluring than Serbian and Turkish thugs. There's always some delicacy, or at least a flair, mixed into the masculinity, even when it's toxic masculinity. They are one the cultures that best worked up a way for young men to be beautiful tender tough and masculine all together.

by Anonymousreply 76November 12, 2021 12:45 AM

R67 R68. Giorgio Canali also worked briefly under the name Rocco Rizzoli.

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by Anonymousreply 77November 12, 2021 12:54 AM

More Giorgio...

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by Anonymousreply 78November 12, 2021 12:58 AM

More Giorgio

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by Anonymousreply 79November 12, 2021 1:08 AM

Black-tie Giorgio

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by Anonymousreply 80November 12, 2021 1:16 AM

Wrestling Giorgio

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by Anonymousreply 81November 12, 2021 1:17 AM

Exposed Giorgio

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by Anonymousreply 82November 12, 2021 1:19 AM

Big thick intact cock Giorgio

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by Anonymousreply 83November 12, 2021 1:21 AM

They’re Ethnic. Latin.

by Anonymousreply 84November 12, 2021 1:23 AM

Sexy Giorgio

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by Anonymousreply 85November 12, 2021 1:24 AM

Cool your tits, OCD Giorgio Stan. You've sunk this thread. Did you ever think about moderation and communication, instead of spamming?

by Anonymousreply 86November 12, 2021 1:25 AM

Franco Nero was so beautiful people didn’t care if he could act or not.

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by Anonymousreply 87November 12, 2021 1:25 AM

They're suave, debonair, dress well, enjoy life.

by Anonymousreply 88November 12, 2021 1:34 AM

They're good cooks and appreciate good food. And their smoldering good looks help.

by Anonymousreply 89November 12, 2021 1:50 AM

Italian boys REALLY live for getting head.

by Anonymousreply 90November 12, 2021 1:53 AM

^^Are Italian boys willing to give head?

by Anonymousreply 91November 12, 2021 2:01 AM

Great sexual prowess as well. Come, don't get soft then come again..quite heavenly. Plus that sneering smacking you in the face with the mega sausagea...Ah D'Italiano!!

by Anonymousreply 92November 12, 2021 2:22 AM

[quote]The sexy guido studs are great for a roll in the hey

Oh Dear!

only the ones who are horse hung

by Anonymousreply 93November 12, 2021 5:08 AM

Machismo is hot

by Anonymousreply 94November 12, 2021 2:20 PM
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by Anonymousreply 95November 12, 2021 7:18 PM

FORESKINS. From Torino to Palermo you will not find an Italian man missing his foreskin. The only skinless meat in the country is attached to refugees/migrants and to fat American tourists.

by Anonymousreply 96November 12, 2021 7:26 PM

R38- Exactly. He was PASTY, SCRAWNY and ANDROGYNOUS.

by Anonymousreply 97November 12, 2021 7:32 PM

This very cute video has a cute/sweet dog and a cute/sweet Italian guy. I LOVE that accent.

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by Anonymousreply 98November 12, 2021 7:35 PM

Italy, the only country where convicts rioted because they wanted bidets in their cells

by Anonymousreply 99November 12, 2021 7:52 PM

R99- They must ALL be bottoms.

by Anonymousreply 100November 12, 2021 7:58 PM

r95 who is that delicious Italian?

by Anonymousreply 101November 12, 2021 8:09 PM

maybe they're tops who like clean bottoms

by Anonymousreply 102November 13, 2021 3:51 PM

I think it’s their unabashed interest in sex, beauty, and enjoy their masculinity. Family-oriented so are warm, enjoy people and socializing and can be gregarious...they are good at enjoying life. That’s sexy

by Anonymousreply 103November 13, 2021 4:10 PM

I wish there were more Italian men around me, or where I live. I’m in the Boston area and men I see and meet lack gravitas....I don’t want a Neanderthal, but I like men who enjoy being men. This whole toxic masculinity outrage is taking the life out of my Men, and dating pool. I cannot be turned on by eunuchs, or men that are like women...and I don’t mean effeminate men...that’s different.

by Anonymousreply 104November 14, 2021 3:34 AM

A guy can have effeminate qualities and still possess staunch character and confidence.

by Anonymousreply 105November 14, 2021 3:37 AM

They sucha good Catholic boys theya all suffer from a thee Smegmatta.

by Anonymousreply 106November 14, 2021 4:33 AM

moron

by Anonymousreply 107November 14, 2021 4:39 AM

I don't ask questions, just enjoy!

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by Anonymousreply 108November 14, 2021 4:47 AM

We've not heard much about or from Pietro Boselli lately, but still attention must be paid.

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by Anonymousreply 109November 14, 2021 4:49 AM

Should like to point out even if confined to just "Italian" men in Italy, there is a wide range on scale of attractiveness.

As anyone who has visited or lives in Italy can attest yes you have some smoking hot guys. But you also have tons of average to fachia brute as well.

Alessandro Cavagnola is but a case in point. He was an attractive enough young man in his early modeling days, but don't think would put him down as "hot". Now of course that he has bulked up and joined the Instaho set, yes he qualifies as smoking I suppose.

by Anonymousreply 110November 14, 2021 5:20 AM

Italians like all Europeans (and middle easterners) are white. It amazes me at comments saying they have olive skin etc.

by Anonymousreply 111November 14, 2021 5:21 AM

R111

You don't know what you're talking about.

Yes, Italians from the north generally are "white" Europeans more or less, but down south around Mediterranean area yes olive skin is commonly found,

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by Anonymousreply 112November 14, 2021 5:24 AM

Americo Vespucci was sizzling!

by Anonymousreply 113November 14, 2021 5:25 AM

As with many other things people usually had or have no issues with those from northern Europe, but it was the darker skinned Italians from Naples, Sicily, etc.. that saw prejudices.

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by Anonymousreply 114November 14, 2021 5:26 AM

[quote]fachia brute

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 115November 14, 2021 5:26 AM

2x Olympian champion Marcell Jacobs is gorgeous (half black, half Italian).

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by Anonymousreply 116November 14, 2021 5:28 AM

I think I could eat this Sicilian sandwich every day for lunch. Everything tastes so much better in Italy. I'm so hungry now.

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by Anonymousreply 117November 14, 2021 5:43 AM

Come to NYC, we've got a pretty good selection of places...

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by Anonymousreply 118November 14, 2021 5:50 AM

[quote]FORESKINS. From Torino to Palermo you will not find an Italian man missing his foreskin.

R96. Perfect. The way it should be everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 119November 14, 2021 5:51 AM

R118, the original is disgusting. People queue up round the block year round to buy greasy pork sandwiches which they must eat sitting on the curb, as there is no seating at the shop or on the street and no nearby parks. They aren't at all cheap either....about $10 each.

by Anonymousreply 120November 14, 2021 6:02 AM

It's the tight pants, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 121November 14, 2021 6:07 AM

Olive skin makes good kin!

by Anonymousreply 122November 14, 2021 6:32 AM

You can just imagine them having a recipe for special sauce--something from their family. They cook it for you, making some sort of pasta dish you enjoy with red wine. You keep moving from the kitchen to the bedroom. Also, they have beautiful dark hair and eyes and nice hairy chests and arms.

by Anonymousreply 123November 14, 2021 6:40 AM

Latin men (Italian, Spanish, French, Portuguese, Latin American) in general have this swagger and self-assured confidence to them. They aren't afraid to look pretty, dress well and maintain their appearance.

by Anonymousreply 124November 14, 2021 6:56 AM

North Italians*

by Anonymousreply 125November 14, 2021 7:07 AM
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by Anonymousreply 126November 14, 2021 9:26 AM

I like this guy.

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by Anonymousreply 127November 14, 2021 9:32 AM

R65 I always found their women quite ugly compared to the men. Thin, long faces, not so nice noses… They look better dressed and maintained than the average English women but their genetics seem to be even worse.

by Anonymousreply 128November 14, 2021 10:08 AM

Damn!

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by Anonymousreply 129November 14, 2021 11:17 AM

Yeah Baby!

Scroll down....

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by Anonymousreply 130November 14, 2021 11:21 AM

Italian swimmer Fabio Scozzoli

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by Anonymousreply 131November 14, 2021 11:24 AM

R10 You took the words right out of my mouth.

They are the generic version of Black men. They are the most like Black men of any other men on the planet!

The swag, the dark hair and eyes, the smoldering looks, the very REAL masculinity all makes them irresistible.

by Anonymousreply 132November 14, 2021 11:57 AM

R104 That was so well stated and BRAVE. Nowadays you cannot say you want a masculine man without feminists calling these men toxic or gay effeminate men saying you're somehow disregarding them. It is ok to want a masculine man. And generally speaking Italians are only second to Black men in being masculine. Latinos are a very distant third because with so many different types of Latins, the "brand" is not as consistent.

by Anonymousreply 133November 14, 2021 12:05 PM

I love Italy and Italian men from Sicily to Florence. I was going to big gay spa in Rome one Sunday midday and there was 50 men in a queue. Lockers were full sp they gave plastic bags to put clothes. Totally full hot and horny spa. Nice way to spend afternoon. I remember there was a very hot guy in a station who took a taxi and surprise he was in a same queue with me. And he wasn’t the only stunningly beautiful man there.

by Anonymousreply 134November 14, 2021 12:09 PM

Did you get some dick there, R134?

by Anonymousreply 135November 14, 2021 12:11 PM

more of Adriano Leonardo:

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by Anonymousreply 136November 14, 2021 12:12 PM

Italian guys and black guys are two sides of the same coin. Probably why the two groups can't stand each other. Same hypermasculinity, both love to fuck to music, and both have similar cocks.

by Anonymousreply 137November 14, 2021 12:13 PM
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by Anonymousreply 138November 14, 2021 12:13 PM

R135 Of course I did.

by Anonymousreply 139November 14, 2021 12:19 PM

Good for you.

by Anonymousreply 140November 14, 2021 12:58 PM

White people aren't just "white". They can have pink skin to brown skin. Europe is a tiny continent, most Europeans share the same DNA and they also share DNA with Middle East and North Africa. White is a sociopolitical that really just means of European descent and Christian. In the 21st century as the world is getting smaller, it's becoming an outdated term anyway.

by Anonymousreply 141November 14, 2021 2:15 PM

The swagger in hip hop type culture may be machismo, but I don’t experience It as manly or true confidence.. less artifice and more authenticity attracts me... Hey if you’re so hot, you don’t have to tell me or front or prove it..you just are. To me a real man takes care of loved ones and has compassion. The more we discuss it here I’m realizing that people who are happy and enjoy their lives are sexy. Arrogance is not confidence and turn off. The Nelliest gay has strong masculinity if they care for othersloyal and loving to friends and loved ones. For me being a principled person with good values brings sexy depth. If my friend bottoms for wrestling team, fine, if I can count on him as a reliable and strong friend...that’s all man. Masculinity is Strength. Remember the Enjoli ads and women having it all? We have that right too...Fuck whatever we want, mannerisms, whatever we want to do. We’re still men and yes we can have it all!

by Anonymousreply 142November 14, 2021 2:55 PM

R141..good point. Maybe we should update Identification system in our society. Race? Easy, we’re all human. And then we can put our shade of skin in there if it’s important for identification purposes.It’s just our melanin level. God why do we have to complicate life so much!?

by Anonymousreply 143November 14, 2021 3:00 PM

Once upon a time it was the exotic, smoldering look. A hot romance during a vacation in a foreign land filled with history and ... passion!

by Anonymousreply 144November 14, 2021 3:16 PM

That’s dreamy...now I could go for that.

by Anonymousreply 145November 14, 2021 3:21 PM

A lot of moist yet mildewy old wet dream fantasies here, classic data lounge ethnic stereotyping. Black men and Italian men are similar and the most masculine men? Sheesh! All black men from dozens of countries and cultures around the world? Yep.

Mediterranean men are hot but so are Dutch men and Kurdish men. Italian men are hot but they are also preening peacocks and often not all that macho.

by Anonymousreply 146November 14, 2021 5:30 PM

Nobody cares about the Dutch, R146. Their food is fucking awful.

by Anonymousreply 147November 14, 2021 9:46 PM

Nobody goes to Holland for the food, Rose.

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by Anonymousreply 148November 14, 2021 10:31 PM

R148 Ugh, this would have given Hitler a hard-on.

by Anonymousreply 149November 14, 2021 10:53 PM

I went to Greece one summer, and on the beach were men from all over Europe. It wasn't a nude beach so most of the guys were wearing Speedos. You could pretty much tell the difference between the Italian guys and other European guys just by the look of their speedos. They just have a certain style. Well that, and sex appeal and handsome faces of the Italian men.

by Anonymousreply 150November 14, 2021 10:59 PM

Italian” gansta” rap lmao!

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by Anonymousreply 151November 14, 2021 11:15 PM

[quote] What Makes Italian Men So Hot?

Your thirstiness?

by Anonymousreply 152November 14, 2021 11:20 PM

As several people have said....It's their MAMAS....do even know how much their Mamas love them? If you have that total confidence, you know the world loves you too and wants to suck your dick....and if the world doesn't....so what? There's still Mama, waiting at the stove, stirring that ragu, which she knows her big beautiful baby boy just LOVES....

by Anonymousreply 153November 14, 2021 11:44 PM

[QUOTE] Italian” gansta” rap lmao!

What’s so funny? That shit was hard.

by Anonymousreply 154November 15, 2021 12:54 AM

One word...Moose

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by Anonymousreply 155November 15, 2021 1:00 AM

R151 he's not so handsome but some of his friends are!

by Anonymousreply 156November 15, 2021 2:05 AM

r27 r29 The character wasn't Italian, either. Tadzio was from Poland.

by Anonymousreply 157November 15, 2021 2:12 AM

R144 = Eleanor Lavish

by Anonymousreply 158November 15, 2021 2:12 AM

Even if he was Italian. He wasn't gorgeous or hot. I am confused as to why he was chosen as this representation of a beautiful child when he was so average looking.

by Anonymousreply 159November 15, 2021 2:18 AM

I couldn't agree with you more, r159. Did you know there's a documentary about him being released this year called "The Most Beautiful Boy in the World"?

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by Anonymousreply 160November 15, 2021 2:22 AM

Give it a rest, dears. You've obviously got plebeian flyoverstan tastes. He fit the setting and era well. Have either of you ever been to the Lido in Venice? What about the various palais of the polish aristocracy in Vienna?

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by Anonymousreply 161November 15, 2021 2:25 AM

He was a cute kid but I just don't see beautiful. He would not stand out in a crowd of street kids. I'm sure he was passed around by chicken hawks. Visconti thought Bjorn was beautiful though. He mentioned how uncomfortable he was being this famous sex symbol as a young teenager with little acting experience.

by Anonymousreply 162November 15, 2021 2:28 AM

Death in Venice includes von Aschenbach's point of view and that of no other characters. Then it sometimes slips into first person. (free indirect discourse) von Aschenbach is a deluded tortured old person thus possibly unreliable, because it's possible that von Aschenbach views the boy as a stunner, but everyone else just sees a cute blond boy.

by Anonymousreply 163November 15, 2021 2:34 AM

Yes. It's from the perspective of a pederast or ephebephile. Bjorn is a scrawny and awkward young teenage boy from the 1970s. I don't think he was supposed to be sexy or beautiful. But is sexualized by the protagonist. It's similar to Lolita.

by Anonymousreply 164November 15, 2021 2:39 AM

R157, I know, thanks. Short for "Tadeusz."

I planted it to see if anyone else knew. Congrats.

But have you actually read the book?

by Anonymousreply 165November 15, 2021 3:17 AM

Our Thomas Mann sidebar is a bit recherché for the DL readership.

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by Anonymousreply 166November 15, 2021 3:30 AM

This thread is about how all Italian men are so hawt.

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by Anonymousreply 167November 15, 2021 3:32 AM

Mangiare

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by Anonymousreply 168November 15, 2021 3:33 AM

Photographer Tony Patriloli took tons of photos of beautiful Italian twinks.

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by Anonymousreply 169November 15, 2021 3:36 AM
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by Anonymousreply 170November 15, 2021 3:39 AM
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by Anonymousreply 171November 15, 2021 3:49 AM
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by Anonymousreply 172November 15, 2021 3:49 AM

Remember this!?

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by Anonymousreply 173November 15, 2021 4:05 AM

When I visited Italy, I was shocked how not hot the men were. Yes, many were good looking but not the stunners I expected.

When I go to Boston and see the mass of Italian-Irish mixes, that’s when my jaw drops at how beautiful they are

by Anonymousreply 174November 15, 2021 4:06 AM
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by Anonymousreply 176November 15, 2021 4:10 AM
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by Anonymousreply 177November 15, 2021 4:17 AM

actor Andy Garcia

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by Anonymousreply 178November 15, 2021 4:19 AM
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by Anonymousreply 179November 15, 2021 4:20 AM

[quote] actor Andy Garcia

?

by Anonymousreply 180November 15, 2021 4:20 AM

Magdalena Montezuma

by Anonymousreply 181November 15, 2021 4:22 AM

The mystery of Italian men is that they start out looking like Tony Patrioli's photographs but invariably end up looking like Tony Patrioli.

by Anonymousreply 182November 15, 2021 5:03 AM

When I was in Rome the culture struck me as warm, even sensual. If you asked for directions, the person put their hand on your arm.

I think Italians are sexy because they’re not afraid to touch, to hug and kiss.

by Anonymousreply 183November 15, 2021 5:23 AM

R174 like pretty Milo - Irish Italian mix?

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by Anonymousreply 184November 15, 2021 6:24 AM

R148 everyone in that picture has "Gay Face" and we know the gays are not turned on by that. Are you saying anything in that picture is comparable to the Machisimo of Latin or Black men?

Dorothy you may want those waifs but Blanche is looking for the gingerbread (ie macho, slightly cocky and passionate men with large penises!

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by Anonymousreply 185November 15, 2021 6:59 AM

Italian and Black men.

Well, Latin too, [certainly hotter than the fucking "Dutch!"] 😂😂😂

And don't use our beloved Dorothy Zbornak to say stupid shit.

by Anonymousreply 186November 15, 2021 10:15 AM

There has been an ongoing beef on tik tok between Italian Americans vs Italians and I like how this guy explains about the history of Italian americans in the US

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by Anonymousreply 187November 15, 2021 10:51 AM

R1 "I think it’s the dark hair" Posts a guy with light brown hair.

by Anonymousreply 188November 15, 2021 10:55 AM
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by Anonymousreply 189November 15, 2021 10:57 AM

It’s the tight pants, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 190November 15, 2021 12:45 PM

So a big question is where is the Italian gay porn, this is a country that elects porn stars to high political office, but there seems not to be much gay porn. There’s that Cazzo, but I’m even sure if that’s real Italians or Romanians or some other group?

by Anonymousreply 191November 15, 2021 3:09 PM

When immigrant groups become American, after few generations it’s interesting to see the result. Due to nutrition and lots of factors, often become quite different. Usually taller. I live in Boston and like stated upthread, lots Italian and Irish descent, but also Polish, Russian, Haitian, and Asian. We tend to stay in our cultures for the first few generations. I have not yet been to Ireland, a gay couple came back after their first trip to Ireland and the first thing they told me about their trip was that the guys look nothing like Boston Irish guys, who can be very handsome. They said big noses, pointy ears, teeth, etc. Of course that’s the first thing they talked about! They were incredulous, shocked I tell you! But they said they’re expecting the guys to look as handsome as some of the guys in South Boston or Dorchester. But these guys can hit a wall hard if they drink, get too much sun...etc. Most of the Irish immigrants I mean our tend to be small although oddly I’ve noticed a few really tall and lanky ones, not much in between American Jewish men in my experience are quite different from Israeli men and I’ve dated both. In fact all the Israeli I have met, men and women, are really cool looking. Less dark featured than Northeast Jews. He’s really collar and can really vary from brilliant red head, blonde and dark of course. One guy had the thickest dick I’ve ever had it was like a coke can. Sorry my reminiscing derailed us a bit.

by Anonymousreply 192November 15, 2021 3:16 PM

Meant Israeli coloring.

by Anonymousreply 193November 15, 2021 3:17 PM

[quote]coloring

I thought this said[italic] colandering.

by Anonymousreply 194November 15, 2021 3:44 PM

Australian men in Australia are nowhere near as hot as their movie stars and athletes.

by Anonymousreply 195November 15, 2021 3:44 PM

i'm sure australia is the only country in the world where average people don't look like movie stars

by Anonymousreply 196November 15, 2021 3:58 PM

I love a strong Roman nose

by Anonymousreply 197November 15, 2021 4:08 PM

Sorry to disappoint you all but if I want a swarty man with dark hair Datalounge is the place to look not my city, and my fuckbuddy is Sicilian.

by Anonymousreply 198November 15, 2021 4:12 PM

Italian guys are too classy to do porn. They are image conscious. La Bella figura. They wouldn't put themselves in this light. Even the muscle-head gorgeous maths teacher can't lower himself enough to really do hard porn for the world to see. Or have I missed it!!!?

by Anonymousreply 199November 15, 2021 4:24 PM

I think that posters who think that major trait of Italian men is masculinity have never been in Italy. First thing you notice about them is that they are mostly small and tiny, particularly if you come from Balkans with one the tallest and buffest European population. They have pretty little heads, delicate hands and feet and are slender. They walk in the perfume cloud and are well dressed and smooth. They are vivacious and loud and if you would compare them with an animal it would be a song bird, not some dangerous beast.

Their only particularly masculine trait is swagger and arrogance, in which they abound, but more in some funny, exaggerated childish way. They leave the impression of having the sense of humor and being carefree and light, without a care in the world. I think that is their appeal, much more then some hypermasculinity.

by Anonymousreply 200November 15, 2021 4:26 PM

I haven’t met any like the ones posted about here…none, nada, zilch.

by Anonymousreply 201November 15, 2021 4:30 PM

And no, they have nothing in common with Black Americans. Totally different cultures and people.

by Anonymousreply 202November 15, 2021 4:36 PM

I find Italian Americans hairier than Italians

by Anonymousreply 203November 15, 2021 4:42 PM

Toto, the charming Italian I love.

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by Anonymousreply 204November 15, 2021 4:45 PM

I'm Italian-American. While I didn't get dark hair I got blonde and have hazel eyes. Plus I'm furry as all hell. ANd yeah my cock is pretty thick too.

by Anonymousreply 205November 15, 2021 4:53 PM

I don't think I've met an Italian-American nowadays who is purely Italian. Most are mixed but usually its with other historically Catholic groups like Irish, Polish, Portuguese, Colombian or Puerto Rican.

by Anonymousreply 206November 15, 2021 4:53 PM

Ugo Tognazzi teaching an old queen how to behave like real Italian macho.

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by Anonymousreply 207November 15, 2021 5:04 PM

R174- I agree American guys are the best looking.

by Anonymousreply 208November 15, 2021 5:04 PM

Aren't south Italy and north Italy like two different countries with different looking people?

by Anonymousreply 209November 15, 2021 5:05 PM

R205 Blonde hair and hazel eyes is my favorite. I just love this combination. I only don't like too much fur. But there is a solution, the wax depilation.

by Anonymousreply 210November 15, 2021 5:22 PM

The most beautiful man I've ever seen is an Italian/Puerto Rican mix. Just stunning

by Anonymousreply 211November 15, 2021 5:28 PM

^ I think people on the internet exaggerate that. It's divisive. Majority of modern European countries were individual kingdoms that were unified at some point. There's a lot of genetic diversity and wide range of phenotypes. Darker skin and hair is an adaptation to protect against sun exposure. So yes Southern Italians would have darker features but there's still fair-skinned people in Southern Italy and Sicily. A lot of people in Spain and Portugal can be blond with blue eyes and pale skin too. There's not just one look, just an average phenotype.

by Anonymousreply 212November 15, 2021 5:28 PM

Grape is my favorite!

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by Anonymousreply 213November 15, 2021 5:52 PM

Jimmy Destri keyboardist from Blondie was a beautiful Italo American. Love him.

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by Anonymousreply 214November 15, 2021 5:58 PM

The pepper term is “Italianx”.

by Anonymousreply 215November 15, 2021 5:59 PM

Given conflicting feelings towards gays in Italy, it isn't surprising gay porn actors at least aren't often a huge presence it seems.

Carlo Masi (spouse of Gustavo Leguizamon (aka Andrew Champ) was outed as gay and former porn actor by students at a university or school where he was teaching. Scandal eventually died down, but still.

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by Anonymousreply 216November 15, 2021 8:56 PM

Daniele Montana was supposed to be one of the next big things to come out of Italian gay porn, but that didn't last. He quite porn and went on to live as an out gay man with his partner somewhere in Italy IIRC.

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by Anonymousreply 217November 15, 2021 9:00 PM

More Daniele Montana

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by Anonymousreply 218November 15, 2021 9:01 PM

Other than that good number of males in gay porn from studios like Lucas Kazan, Bel Ami, Kristen Bjorn and others may have Italian names, but most if not majority are from Eastern Europe, South America or anywhere else but Italy.

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by Anonymousreply 219November 15, 2021 9:05 PM

[quote] Daniele Montana

Any relation to Hannah?

by Anonymousreply 220November 15, 2021 9:08 PM

I know France, Germany and The UK have gay porn but I don't think Italy, Spain or Portugal do.

by Anonymousreply 221November 15, 2021 9:11 PM

R221 Spain produces a lot of gay porn.

by Anonymousreply 222November 15, 2021 9:12 PM

"Newish tennis star Mateo Barrettini.

Funny....he doesn't look newish.

by Anonymousreply 223November 15, 2021 9:13 PM

If you attempt to search for Italian or Italy gay porn on most sites like XVideos you get results turning up huge numbers of straight or mixed clips. This even after further qualifying search by using "male" or whatever else.

by Anonymousreply 224November 15, 2021 9:14 PM

Argentina is mostly Italian descent and produces a ton of gay porn.

by Anonymousreply 225November 15, 2021 9:16 PM

Between Spain, Eastern Europe, South America and USA there is tons of gay porn with Italian males. My guess is why would someone in Italy even bother given small size of country and local market.

You are seeing more solo stuff posted on various sites that make their way onto XVideos or similar sites, but far as dedicated Italian gay porn, don't see much of an increase in future.

Think about it, Lucas Kazan or Bel Ami alone can offer more money than some small Italian studio, and have a worldwide established distribution.

by Anonymousreply 226November 15, 2021 9:18 PM

Girlies, wouldn't it be better to watch some Fellini and Antonioni instead, for some intellectual elevation.

by Anonymousreply 227November 15, 2021 9:24 PM

I think there’s a sizable amount of gay Italian only fans creators.

by Anonymousreply 228November 15, 2021 9:25 PM

Rent Men Rome and other Italy sites have decent numbers of *ahem* models. But note many aren't Italian or even from Italy...

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by Anonymousreply 229November 15, 2021 9:26 PM

Milan...

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by Anonymousreply 230November 15, 2021 9:27 PM

FriendBoy.....

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by Anonymousreply 231November 15, 2021 9:28 PM

What is wrong with Antonioni's La notte instead. It is also situated in Milan.

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by Anonymousreply 232November 15, 2021 9:31 PM

232 posts and no mention of Pietro Boselli?

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by Anonymousreply 233November 15, 2021 9:33 PM

R233 I prefer Marcello Mastroianni.

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by Anonymousreply 234November 15, 2021 9:36 PM

R233,

Miss Ghurl get your eyes checked. PB was mentioned in post R109.

Or, are you just a Pietro Boselli troll?

by Anonymousreply 235November 15, 2021 9:38 PM

[QUOTE] I prefer Marcello Mastroianni.

Yeah he looks nice.. with clothes on. I prefer guys who look hot with them off.

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by Anonymousreply 236November 15, 2021 9:42 PM

What about Pasolini? Some good edutainment, like "Salo".

by Anonymousreply 237November 15, 2021 9:43 PM

Also in R199 although not named, R233.

by Anonymousreply 238November 15, 2021 9:43 PM

Pietro is beautiful. I think maybe people didn't mention him as much because he has a million threads already.

by Anonymousreply 239November 15, 2021 9:50 PM

Answer to OP's query can be summed up in Italian concept of "bella figura".

There isn't an American or English equal, but la bella figura goes long way in explaining why Italians not just in Italy but world over, often make an effort about their appearance, physical fitness, etc...

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by Anonymousreply 240November 15, 2021 9:55 PM

This guy leans a bit into the manchild trope, especially wearing Pikachu onesies, but I still find him very sexy and smoldering. .

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by Anonymousreply 241November 15, 2021 9:55 PM

La Bella Figura explains why so many top fashion houses are Italian, and produce that sort of effortless chic.

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by Anonymousreply 242November 15, 2021 9:57 PM

R240, are you also R56 and/or R199?

by Anonymousreply 243November 15, 2021 9:59 PM

Perhaps easiest way to sum up bella figura for Americans or others who aren't Italian is making a good impression.

Whenever you leave your house for anything from going to work or just walking the dog, you want to present a good impression to the world.

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by Anonymousreply 244November 15, 2021 10:00 PM

R243

No, am not!

by Anonymousreply 245November 15, 2021 10:00 PM

Suit Furio wears to his father's funeral in "The Sopranos" echoes concepts of bella figura.

In fact everyone at that burial is doing same. Furio's uncle may be short and on heavy side, but his suit is well cut and fits him well enough, while shirt is white (almost blindingly so), and well ironed.

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by Anonymousreply 246November 15, 2021 10:05 PM

Hi plebes. I'm very cosmopolitan. A continental. I'll tell you the secret nobody else on DL can tell you. La bella figura.

by Anonymousreply 247November 15, 2021 10:10 PM

La Bella Figura on full display in film Seven Beauties as Pasqualino struts about Naples...

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by Anonymousreply 248November 15, 2021 10:11 PM

[quote][R233] I prefer Marcello Mastroianni.

Same here, R234, I’m not a fan of muscles.

by Anonymousreply 249November 15, 2021 10:21 PM

Interesting how not a single one of the posts shows a hairy Italian.

I though they were supposed to be hairy

by Anonymousreply 250November 15, 2021 10:42 PM

R205: Ah well. Yeah put me in the sun and the hair on my arms is redish brown. And my mixture is Italian/Irish.

by Anonymousreply 251November 15, 2021 10:50 PM

Embarrassing self disclosure, ah, what the hell. I re-watched The Godfather two nights ago, and I guess this thread was in the back of my mind. I was surprised that I found myself attracted to Clemenza..why? There was something about his coloring, darker complexion with lighter eyes. gruff and straightforward..I know I’m ashamed, somewhat. He was fat, but not a slob. Twinkling eyes. Maybe it’s an age thing, I can’t imagine feeling this way 20 years ago. I would feel safe with him, and I like that.

by Anonymousreply 252November 15, 2021 10:54 PM

[quote]I was surprised that I found myself attracted to Clemenza..why? There was something about his coloring, darker complexion with lighter eyes. gruff and straightforward..I know I’m ashamed, somewhat. [bold]He was fat, but not a slob.[/bold]

Oh, [italic]fat[/italic] Clemenza, I thought you were talking about young Clemenza who was played by Bruno Kirby.

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by Anonymousreply 253November 15, 2021 11:05 PM

R252 I thought I might try to comfort you, but when I saw the pick at R253 I thought you should be ashamed.

by Anonymousreply 254November 15, 2021 11:09 PM

Raul Korso (born Biagio Belsito in Italy....)

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by Anonymousreply 255November 15, 2021 11:09 PM

PIETRO CATTANI

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by Anonymousreply 256November 15, 2021 11:11 PM

Alex Marte

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by Anonymousreply 257November 15, 2021 11:11 PM

[QUOTE] I was surprised that I found myself attracted to Clemenza..why? There was something about his coloring, darker complexion with lighter eyes. gruff and straightforward..I know I’m ashamed, somewhat. He was fat, but not a slob. Twinkling eyes. Maybe it’s an age thing

R252, leave the gun and take my cannoli.

by Anonymousreply 258November 15, 2021 11:11 PM

Marco Rubi born in Bologna, Italy....

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by Anonymousreply 259November 15, 2021 11:13 PM

These photos of Pietro got me hard

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by Anonymousreply 260November 15, 2021 11:17 PM

Marco Ramazzotti..

You see there are plenty of Italian (as born in Italy) males in gay porn. They just mostly work for studios outside that country like Lucas Kazan...

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by Anonymousreply 261November 15, 2021 11:19 PM

See this thread has awoken the Pietro Boselli troll.

Yes, PB is "hot", very attractive, and so on, but he's peaked or peaking. You don't hear much about him lately, aside from this recent effort. ,

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by Anonymousreply 262November 15, 2021 11:21 PM

Maths.

by Anonymousreply 263November 15, 2021 11:24 PM

How about me? Don’t you like wild cats?

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by Anonymousreply 264November 15, 2021 11:30 PM
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by Anonymousreply 265November 15, 2021 11:33 PM

Ettore Tosi looking damn fine for being in his forties...

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by Anonymousreply 266November 15, 2021 11:33 PM

One last one about Pietro.

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by Anonymousreply 267November 15, 2021 11:44 PM

[quote] Girlies, wouldn't it be better to watch some Fellini and Antonioni instead, for some intellectual elevation.

with me you get the intellectual elevation and molto caldo uomini

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by Anonymousreply 268November 15, 2021 11:44 PM

R267, I never knew those existed!!

by Anonymousreply 269November 16, 2021 12:10 AM

When I lived in Boston, I loved going to the orgies and fucking the gorgeous hairy Italian/Irish mixes. Oh, it was fun to be young and sexy!

by Anonymousreply 270November 16, 2021 12:11 AM

Alberto Perazzolo is sexy

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by Anonymousreply 271November 16, 2021 1:56 AM
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by Anonymousreply 272November 16, 2021 1:57 AM

Now that's a lovely euro body.

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by Anonymousreply 273November 16, 2021 1:58 AM
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by Anonymousreply 274November 16, 2021 2:23 AM

Felipe Matarazzo

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by Anonymousreply 275November 16, 2021 2:52 AM

R230- I checked out rentmen.com and I didn't find ANY of them appealing. I went to a bathhouse on Saturday night. I saw two or three guys there that were more attractive/hotter than any of the male prostitutes on rentmen.com

Unfortunately I didn't have any sex at the bathhouse on Saturday night.

by Anonymousreply 276November 16, 2021 2:57 AM

R276, where was the bathhouse?

by Anonymousreply 277November 16, 2021 4:19 AM

[quote] R227 Girlies, wouldn't it be better to watch some Fellini instead, for some intellectual elevation?

[quote] R232 What is wrong with Antonioni's “La notte”. It is also situated in Milan.

[quote] R237 What about Pasolini? Some good edutainment, like "Salo".

I vote for SENSO!

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by Anonymousreply 278November 16, 2021 5:44 AM

Another Lucas Kazan discovery, Gabriele

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by Anonymousreply 279November 16, 2021 6:41 AM

Related, long and exhaustive thread on Italian boys/men over on LPSG.

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by Anonymousreply 280November 16, 2021 1:22 PM
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by Anonymousreply 281November 16, 2021 1:32 PM

I think countries like America have some of the best looking people due to generations of race mixing.

by Anonymousreply 282November 17, 2021 4:17 PM

R282, I totally agree. Mixes are some of the most beautiful people.

by Anonymousreply 283November 17, 2021 4:21 PM

The beautiful result of millions of years of African blood coursing through their Italian veins. Hell, you can swim the distance between Sicily and Africa.

by Anonymousreply 284November 17, 2021 4:33 PM

R284 You can swim, but to mix you must fuck.

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by Anonymousreply 285November 17, 2021 4:36 PM

R282 Americans are beautiful, but when I think of beautiful American it is a blonde tall guy. Not that there are not very beautiful mixed race people.

by Anonymousreply 286November 17, 2021 4:39 PM

[quote]...but when I think of beautiful American it is a blonde tall guy.

Much like Gary Dourdan, eh R286? But we know what you mean and, frankly, hope your livelihood is not dependent upon your mental acuity.

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by Anonymousreply 287November 17, 2021 4:57 PM

God, R287, are you touchy. Such harsh words. I was thinking about young Clint Eastwood, but your blondie is nice too.

by Anonymousreply 288November 17, 2021 5:03 PM

[quote] Americans are beautiful, but when I think of beautiful American it is a blonde tall guy. Not that there are not very beautiful mixed race people.

Have you actually been to America? The average American is hideous and fat.

by Anonymousreply 289November 17, 2021 5:38 PM

R289 I have never been to US. It is the stereotype of American beauty we have here on Balkans, probably coming from films, particularly westerns. Blonde or light brown, tall and strong. Like mentioned Clint Eastwood, Gary Cooper, Kris Kristofferson. I know it is not an average American, I said this is how I imagine it.

One poster have mistaken it for racism, but it is not, neither I am not blonde Swede, but Mediterranean from Croatia.

by Anonymousreply 290November 17, 2021 6:50 PM

And to add that that was the type of handsome American I noticed on our coast in Croatia, in Italy, Paris etc. Not exactly like Hollywood stars, but tall, blonde and buff. And calm and laid-back. Must be that this type caught my eyes first.

They also tend to be cordial and willing to help. I was once lost in London and there was a nice blonde bear who wanted to help me around with American accent, although his orientation in London wasn't much better than mine.

by Anonymousreply 291November 17, 2021 7:06 PM

R290, Men from the Balkans are hotties!

by Anonymousreply 292November 17, 2021 7:11 PM

R282- Brazilians are VERY mixed and some Brazilian men are quite HOT.

by Anonymousreply 293November 17, 2021 7:12 PM

R291- But his sexual orientation was probably good just like yours - GAY

by Anonymousreply 294November 17, 2021 7:13 PM

Lady Belle G. likes.

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by Anonymousreply 295November 17, 2021 7:36 PM

One thing I noted about we Italians and Italian-Americans - we all got either very thick cocks or long and thick. It's weird.

by Anonymousreply 296November 17, 2021 7:40 PM

Weird? It's glorious!

by Anonymousreply 297November 17, 2021 10:06 PM

[quote]The beautiful result of millions of years of African blood coursing through their Italian veins

That includes pretty much everyone alive so...

by Anonymousreply 298November 18, 2021 5:27 AM

R296 : The southern ones. The northern ones are more disappointing.

by Anonymousreply 299November 18, 2021 5:28 AM

R200- Whatever you’re saying- You make them sound good 👍.

by Anonymousreply 300November 18, 2021 7:11 PM

Do they know how to make lasagna?

by Anonymousreply 301November 19, 2021 6:45 AM

Handsome Italian with a great sense of humor.

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by Anonymousreply 302November 19, 2021 11:09 AM

What makes the muskrat guard its musk?

by Anonymousreply 303November 19, 2021 11:50 AM

COURAGE!

by Anonymousreply 304November 19, 2021 1:35 PM

[quote.]we all got either very thick cocks or long and thick. It's weird.

Have.

You all got bad grammar.

Also, there are plenty of little Italian cocks. Nice try.

by Anonymousreply 305November 20, 2021 6:01 AM

King

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by Anonymousreply 306November 21, 2021 1:50 AM

[quote]Italian Americans echo some of this, but lack any grace.

Way to categorize an entire ethnicity. For one thing, there's a huge difference between first generation Italian-Americans and subsequent generations. As a first generation IA, I was brought up totally differently than second and third generation IAs.

And while Southern Italian, my mother's side all had blue or green eyes and hair ranging from jet-black {uncle and grandmother) to red (grandfather) to light brown {mother) to blonde (aunt).

But my father was dark and swarthy, and thus so am I.

by Anonymousreply 307November 21, 2021 2:20 AM

Pizza

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by Anonymousreply 308November 21, 2021 2:21 AM

[quote] But my father was dark and swarthy, and thus so am I.

And thus you are welcome in my bed anytime.

by Anonymousreply 309November 21, 2021 2:54 AM

When I think of swarthy Italians I think of Ralph Macchio.

by Anonymousreply 310November 21, 2021 2:58 AM

In Boston and NYC, there are still a lot of Italian-Americans who are 100 percent Italian.

by Anonymousreply 311November 21, 2021 3:04 AM

BIG Thick Italian Sausage!

by Anonymousreply 312November 21, 2021 5:01 AM

R312, they’re not as pretty

by Anonymousreply 313November 21, 2021 1:08 PM

R306, not sure he’s Italian

by Anonymousreply 314November 21, 2021 1:09 PM

R313 Who is looking for pretty sausage? lol

by Anonymousreply 315November 21, 2021 3:28 PM

Who is the OP’s pic?

by Anonymousreply 316November 21, 2021 3:56 PM

R13, Paul Giamatti is only 25% Italian.

by Anonymousreply 317November 21, 2021 4:03 PM

Southern Italians know how to fuck. Northern Italians, not so much. Southern Italians do this grunting thing when they fuck you. It's like you're being plowed by a wild boar. They also jackhammer fuck, which can be fun.

by Anonymousreply 318November 21, 2021 4:05 PM

R318 That has been my experience too. Dark Italians are much more appealing. The sexual energy is often off the charts!

by Anonymousreply 319November 21, 2021 4:41 PM

I see you DLers are very into dark and rough guys. Me, being from Balkans, quite the opposite, I prefer blondies.

by Anonymousreply 320November 21, 2021 7:11 PM

This thread is a nice antidote to the one a few months ago by the poster who insisted at interminable length that southern Italians are (1) non-white and (2) repulsive, and that only northern Italians are beautiful and worth fucking.

by Anonymousreply 321November 21, 2021 8:39 PM

Most Italians with an "i" on the end of their name are Northern Italian, yes?

by Anonymousreply 322November 21, 2021 8:42 PM
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by Anonymousreply 323November 21, 2021 10:48 PM

Being closer to the equator?

by Anonymousreply 324November 22, 2021 12:02 AM

Flex

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by Anonymousreply 325November 22, 2021 1:11 PM

R322, Not necessarily. Surnames ending in -eri or -ieri (Oliveri, Olivieri, Palmeri, Ranieri), -isi (Campisi, Puglisi, Parisi), -oti (Sidoti, Foti, Scilipoti), -osi or -usi (Alosi, Albertosi, Nicolosi) are common in Campania and Sicily.

However, throughout Italy you'll get "i" ending surnames since it is simply the plural form of given names: Ferraro-Ferrari, Cazzo-Cazzi.

by Anonymousreply 326November 22, 2021 2:11 PM

R326 Shame on you, of all surnames you found Cazzi.

by Anonymousreply 327November 22, 2021 2:14 PM

OP no no no it’s too fucking soon for this

sorry darlin i luv ya but i can’t stay ere

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by Anonymousreply 328November 22, 2021 2:40 PM

Damn that was sensual.

by Anonymousreply 329November 22, 2021 4:50 PM

It's never too soon or inappropriate to see hot men hugging, kissing and holding each other.

More please!

by Anonymousreply 330November 22, 2021 6:41 PM

^^^yeah they are cute moments, but at what cost?

Back in the summer, those loutish conniving pizza-merchants hurt our lovely lads so badly.

Italy have called it on with us from now.

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by Anonymousreply 331November 22, 2021 11:45 PM

R206: You left out Irish too. I'm Italian-Irish.

by Anonymousreply 332December 18, 2021 12:55 AM

They’re Middle Eastern mixed with White. They’re not white white.

by Anonymousreply 333December 18, 2021 12:58 AM

Sorry but @NationsLeague what kind of fuckery is this?

Haven’t we played Italy enough? Haven’t we been punished enough? Sadists the lot of youse

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by Anonymousreply 334December 18, 2021 1:00 AM

R333 And you're dumb mixed with dumber.

by Anonymousreply 335December 18, 2021 1:04 AM

This is the best DL thread ever. The men!

by Anonymousreply 336December 18, 2021 1:06 AM

I love Italian men unless they’re old, fat, ugly or poor.

by Anonymousreply 337December 18, 2021 1:09 AM

Italian guys can be HOT but I prefer Spaniards.

by Anonymousreply 338December 18, 2021 1:10 AM

Anyone with eyes sees real Italians aren’t just white.

by Anonymousreply 339December 18, 2021 1:11 AM

R335 Please don’t feel offended, but I simply don’t get this color of a skin debate at all. I live in very north of Europe. With my blonde hair light blue eyes I guess I am white. But when I travel in Europe, in Italy Spain Greece, I never think if people I meet are white or not. To me Europeans are white. I never think of it. But here is is a major issue on every thread. Why? Is it American thing? To me Italians are white.

by Anonymousreply 340December 18, 2021 1:23 AM

R340 only you aren’t from Europe, and much of Europe very much does look at those with darker complexions as different.

by Anonymousreply 341December 18, 2021 1:31 AM

Peperoncini!

And Mama's garlic-sausage mussissima under that long black dress!

by Anonymousreply 342December 18, 2021 1:43 AM

It's comical honestly. Northern Italians, French, Germans, Irish, Welsh, Russians, British, Austrians, Czechs and even Scandinavians can have olive skin and black and dark eyes.

Europe is way too small and geographically it was much easier to travel compared to Africa, Asia and the Pacific Islands which gave far more genetic diversity and genetically isolated groups.

by Anonymousreply 343December 18, 2021 1:43 AM

R341 But I am. A Finn living in Tampere. Olen aivan varmasti suomalainen, tamperelainen, syntynyt ja asunut täällä koko ikäni. Born here lived here my entire life. Traveled a lot around the World.

by Anonymousreply 344December 18, 2021 1:50 AM

Colin Farrell, Catherine Zeta Jones, Rowan Atkinson, David Mitchell, Kate Beckinsale, Victoria Beckham and Kit Harington are all of British Isles descent have dark hair and dark eyes and could be mistaken for Spanish.

Europeans, Africans and Asians all have different shades of colors and physical traits because race is not real. Geography is real and genetics are real. Ethnic groups are influenced by environment and genetics. Most humans have brown hair and eyes regardless.

by Anonymousreply 345December 18, 2021 1:50 AM

Sorry that R340 was to R339 not to R335

by Anonymousreply 346December 18, 2021 1:52 AM

For the god looking ones it's their sexual aura. They're sexy and they know it.

by Anonymousreply 347December 18, 2021 1:54 AM

They’re Middle Eastern

by Anonymousreply 348December 18, 2021 1:56 AM

R343- My brother had a friend in high school who was of German descent on both sides of his family and he was quite swarthy.

by Anonymousreply 349December 18, 2021 1:59 AM

Because someone down the line wasn’t German r349

by Anonymousreply 350December 18, 2021 2:00 AM

I like them Eyetalians.

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by Anonymousreply 351December 18, 2021 2:02 AM

Who is the boy at the OP?

by Anonymousreply 352December 18, 2021 2:04 AM

Most American Italians have very little to no Italian DNA whatsoever. It’s actually laughable.

by Anonymousreply 353December 18, 2021 2:09 AM

R353 Ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 354December 18, 2021 2:54 AM

R150 Can you elaborate on the look of their Speedos?

by Anonymousreply 355December 18, 2021 10:56 AM

The combination of light olive (with yellow undertone) skin against the sheen of ash brown hair (look at the luster in OP's pic's hair) is the sexiest coloration to me. I love the look of defined features and pillows lips.

Some stereotypical attributes I find hot are their quick friendliness, chivalry, confident "you will not fuck with me or the people around me" energy, they're life lovers, cook well and learned it in the many happy hours they spent with their grandmothers, are well-mannered thanks to their mothers, they take pleasure and pride in planning romantic gestures just for romance's sake, and can be ardent lovers.

I could give the not so hot side of seeing men of Italian origin but that's not this thread.

by Anonymousreply 356December 18, 2021 11:22 AM

I realize I may be opening a can of worms à la "draining pasta" with this, but people actually from Italy would be horrified at the TicToc stud's combination of chicken and pasta at R351. For some reason this is anathema, they've explained it to me (if I understood right) as pasta being fit for a first course and chicken for a main, and never the twain shall meet. Americans, of course (apparently including Italian Americans), ignore these petty constraints.

by Anonymousreply 357December 18, 2021 12:03 PM

[QUOTE] Who is the boy at the OP?

😛

by Anonymousreply 358December 18, 2021 12:36 PM

Well? ^

by Anonymousreply 359December 18, 2021 1:25 PM

I don't think he's Italian, r359 and r358. He put squeeze-bottle ketchup or BBQ sauce on those grilled chicken breasts. And are they sitting on a bed of pasta?

Mai! E poi mai!

by Anonymousreply 360December 18, 2021 1:29 PM

R317- He's not 25% Italian he's 50% Italian. He's father is 100% Italian and his mother is mostly English descent.

by Anonymousreply 361December 18, 2021 1:35 PM

[quote] Most American Italians have very little to no Italian DNA whatsoever. It’s actually laughable.

You’re a retard.

by Anonymousreply 362December 18, 2021 2:02 PM

R361, Bart Giamatti was Italian on his father's side and Anglo-American on his mother's. So his son Paul is 25% Italian, as R317 said.

by Anonymousreply 363December 18, 2021 2:57 PM

Robert DeNiro is only 1/4 Italian.

by Anonymousreply 364December 18, 2021 3:13 PM

Italian-Americans are a completely different species that real Italians. Different vibe, different everything. You can't compare the two.

by Anonymousreply 365December 18, 2021 3:32 PM

R357 That is true. In Italy, chicken and pasta do not mix.

by Anonymousreply 366December 18, 2021 4:04 PM

[QUOTE] I don't think he's Italian. He put squeeze-bottle ketchup or BBQ sauce on those grilled chicken breasts. And are they sitting on a bed of pasta?

He’s very much Italian, R360.

by Anonymousreply 367December 18, 2021 5:25 PM

There are lots of Albanians out there today masquerading as Italians...

by Anonymousreply 368December 18, 2021 6:35 PM

I think it depends. In Northeast suburbia. A lot of white Americans are mixed with Italian, Irish, German, Polish, Scottish and English but will still ID as just Italian or Irish because they think it's interesting. Kinda like how a lot of people in Oklahoma claim Cherokee or people in Louisiana will claim just French.

But there are close knit families of Italian and Sicilian descent who only married others of that culture and remained isolated. A dying breed but still exist in parts of New York, Massachusetts and New Jersey.

by Anonymousreply 369December 18, 2021 6:38 PM

The hairy backs.

by Anonymousreply 370December 19, 2021 11:53 AM

R370- Indian guys tend to have hairy backs although overall few Indian men or men in general are actually HAIRY. I'm hairy all over except my ASS.

by Anonymousreply 371December 19, 2021 1:32 PM

It’s interesting, in the new movie Hand of God, which takes place in Naples in the 80s, the lead actor seems to be a rebuttal for CMBYN, seemingly to say, this is what a real Italian seventeen year old boy in the 80s looked like. He could be a dead ringer for the not so attractive cousin to Timothy Chalamet. Ironically he is actually playing the filmmaker himself in the autobiographical story, so I guess he has no vanity not choosing a very attractive actor to play himself. They are both lanky, and thin, dark wavy hair, no muscle tone, both show butt and walk around with Walkmans and headphones on. Every once in awhile at a certain angle he can look cute, but overall he’s not someone anyone would look twice at. This image is definitely on the more flattering side.

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by Anonymousreply 372December 19, 2021 2:00 PM

Why did America get all the Sicilians?

by Anonymousreply 373December 20, 2021 4:30 PM

rich italians didn't need to emigrate

by Anonymousreply 374December 20, 2021 5:34 PM

R372 looks like French actor Louis Garrell.

by Anonymousreply 375December 20, 2021 5:43 PM

Historically America was always the destination for the poor to immigrate to. Majority of white Americans descend from poor, uneducated laborers, religious fundamentalists, prisoners and indentured servants from Europe. Something that many Americans seem to forget that which makes their anti-immigration and xenophobia stance hypocritical.

by Anonymousreply 376December 20, 2021 6:16 PM

[quote]Historically America was always the destination for the poor to immigrate to. Majority of white Americans descend from poor, uneducated laborers, religious fundamentalists, prisoners and indentured servants from Europe. Something that many Americans seem to forget that which makes their anti-immigration and xenophobia stance hypocritical.

No it doesn't.

People today are against uncontrolled mass immigration. Not immigration per se.

The immigration of 100 years ago in a country that was expanding in every way, cannot be compared to the situation today.

by Anonymousreply 377December 20, 2021 11:10 PM

Example of R376: the paranoiac fundamentalist Dutch who settled western Michigan (e.g. Betsy DeVos). They give contemporary Dutch visitors to the area the heebie-jeebies.

by Anonymousreply 378December 20, 2021 11:27 PM

Oh goody, the wop-bashing is back! You do you, Datalounge!

by Anonymousreply 379December 20, 2021 11:28 PM

This is classic Italian/Roman beaty. Nothing on that body that isn't perfect.

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by Anonymousreply 380December 21, 2021 2:24 PM

Ew, R380, moles!

by Anonymousreply 381December 21, 2021 3:17 PM

R380 He's hot. Does he have a social media presence ?

by Anonymousreply 382December 21, 2021 4:35 PM

July and August, OP?

by Anonymousreply 383December 21, 2021 5:51 PM

Among the answers to OP's question, at least to me, is the frequent combo of dark hair and blue eyes. Mamma mia.

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by Anonymousreply 384December 21, 2021 9:22 PM

Let all the WOPs in - more big dicks to enjoy!!!

by Anonymousreply 385December 22, 2021 7:14 PM

R67, I can’t find anything about Giorgio Canali’s death on Google. Any details? I spotted him in NYC in the mid 1990s, I almost followed him to his apartment.

A UK friend of mine would meet up with him in London before he moved to LA. I think his actual name was Maurizio. My friend told me he rented a small room in Kensington High Street just for hook ups. I asked my friend if Canali was a hustler but he said he wasn’t, he was just horny as hell. I remember seeing him on some Manhattan Cable public access show (probably Men in Film) and he talked about his lover Tony Bravo, how much he was in love with him but Bravo was addicted to escort work so they broke up. And Bravo died within a few years from an AIDS-related illness.

by Anonymousreply 386December 24, 2021 1:39 PM

Oh, Tony Bravo and his teddy bear tattoo, haven’t thought of him in over a decade. He was so cute and I had a big crush on him.

by Anonymousreply 387December 24, 2021 1:56 PM

[quote] White is a sociopolitical that really just means of European descent and Christian. In the 21st century as the world is getting smaller, it's becoming an outdated term anyway.

HAA HAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA. Someone woke just discovered meth.

by Anonymousreply 388December 24, 2021 2:07 PM

R338 I'm sorry you feel the need to define millions of people and hundreds of cultures by skin color and religion. You should read stories of people who are European but we're considered colored upon coming to America based on their skin being too olive and hair being too black or being Muslim and Jewish and Catholic. What all the Northeast, West and Central Asians with pale skin and some with even blue eyes who are considered "colored" just because they have a certain eye shape. Believing in ideologies of race is for closed-minded people who need to create categories to feel superior.

by Anonymousreply 389December 24, 2021 2:47 PM

just to get this thread back on track.

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by Anonymousreply 390December 24, 2021 2:56 PM

Seeing Sergio Franchi in my aunt's album collection probably gave me my first inklings that I was attracted to men.

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by Anonymousreply 391December 24, 2021 2:57 PM

Ha. Same here. Classic features.

by Anonymousreply 392December 24, 2021 3:00 PM

[quote] I'm sorry you feel the need to define millions of people and hundreds of cultures by skin color and religion.

The entire world does.

And you do too.

by Anonymousreply 393December 24, 2021 4:19 PM

Their expressive eyebrows.

by Anonymousreply 394December 24, 2021 4:28 PM

R348 Your butt hole is Middle Eastern, you moron. But prolapsed. People from all over Southern Europe, not just Italy, but from Portugal, Spain, Croatia, Albania, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria and all Balkans are not from Middle east but are descendants of old Mediterranean European tribes who lived on that territory in times of antic Greece and Rome, mixed with Barbarian Germanic and Slavic tribes who invaded that territory from 5th to 7th century.

by Anonymousreply 395December 24, 2021 4:33 PM

Their big thick, juicy veiny penises!

by Anonymousreply 396December 25, 2021 11:22 AM

r395, really? Maybe you over-reacted?

Meanwhile, this should help cleanse the palate, responding to r396 while pretending r395 didn't happen

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by Anonymousreply 397December 25, 2021 1:01 PM

well r396 at least they're bigger than Germans (but smaller than French!?!?)

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by Anonymousreply 398December 25, 2021 1:03 PM

[quote] antic Greece and Rome

Oh, it wasn't all that much fun.

by Anonymousreply 399December 25, 2021 1:42 PM

R397 Now that's what I'm talking about! 😜

by Anonymousreply 400December 25, 2021 2:12 PM

Merry Christmas r396

by Anonymousreply 401December 25, 2021 2:13 PM

...or, more appropriately, [italic]buon Natale[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 402December 25, 2021 2:14 PM

It’s all that Italian baby batter churning in their balls. Cum and get it boys.

by Anonymousreply 403December 25, 2021 2:19 PM

I want to know who the boy in the OP is.

by Anonymousreply 404December 25, 2021 2:24 PM

This thread needs some inspiration, some [italic]dolce vita[/italic].

(Sorry don't know which links will preview here)

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by Anonymousreply 405December 26, 2021 1:25 PM

Buon giorno.

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by Anonymousreply 406December 26, 2021 1:26 PM

[quote] combo of dark hair and blue eyes. Mamma mia.

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by Anonymousreply 407December 26, 2021 1:28 PM

Joe Canoli (someone famous?).

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by Anonymousreply 408December 26, 2021 10:37 PM

The young Italian man at R380 is the personification of male elegance.

by Anonymousreply 409December 26, 2021 11:03 PM

R409 He is so graceful and elegant naked as if he was wearing an Armani suit.

by Anonymousreply 410December 26, 2021 11:09 PM

That blonde doofus looks like any old dull American white man walking around outside. No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 411December 26, 2021 11:16 PM

I can't help you if you are a jealous racist R411.

by Anonymousreply 412December 26, 2021 11:24 PM

Now this is what people want from an Italian man. Yum.

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by Anonymousreply 413December 26, 2021 11:35 PM

I love the way they smell after spinning pizzas for a full shift on an August day.

by Anonymousreply 414December 27, 2021 12:59 AM

Their Fuggetaboutit attitude!

They could say "FUCK YOU!" And I'd ask: "When?"

by Anonymousreply 415December 27, 2021 3:52 PM

He is perfect r413 and also belongs in the men's lips thread

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by Anonymousreply 416December 27, 2021 3:57 PM

and here is another shot of the actor at r413

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by Anonymousreply 417December 27, 2021 3:59 PM

and now I'm done

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by Anonymousreply 418December 27, 2021 4:00 PM

R413 / R417 / R418 This man must have some African blood in him! Look at those lips! He is gorgeous!

by Anonymousreply 419December 27, 2021 4:02 PM

The blond isn't drop dead gorgeous of face but he has the European litheness that was mostly bred out of American boys a few generations ago, and he has a great roman nose.

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by Anonymousreply 420December 27, 2021 4:11 PM

I think its the food. When you look at old pics of American young men they could look like this but its been gone for awhile. Meanwhile in Europe its still dime a dozen the norm.

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by Anonymousreply 421December 27, 2021 4:14 PM

R419 His dad is a Pygmey.

by Anonymousreply 422December 27, 2021 6:12 PM

On my DL watch list, I keep seeing this thread showing up just before the "Micah Plath is So Hot" thread.

So maybe Italian men are Micah Plath?

by Anonymousreply 423December 28, 2021 2:39 AM

R422 I don't care who his daddy is. He sure did produce a fine looking son!

by Anonymousreply 424December 28, 2021 5:26 AM

more hot Italians please

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by Anonymousreply 425December 28, 2021 8:20 PM
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by Anonymousreply 426December 31, 2021 8:29 AM

For the "Italians are from Middle east" troll, there really is one hot Italian celebrity with a lot of Arabic blood in his veins, since his mother is Algerian. The Cmbyn director Luca Guadagnino. Hope he can satisfy our troll's fantasies.

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by Anonymousreply 427December 31, 2021 10:47 AM

Moving on from r427, hoping this can get us back on track. Ciao.

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by Anonymousreply 428December 31, 2021 1:04 PM

And this should seal the deal.

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by Anonymousreply 429December 31, 2021 1:05 PM

What have the guys on pictures at R428 and R429 got that I haven’t got?

by Anonymousreply 430December 31, 2021 1:08 PM

Luca Guadagnino is much hotter than the vapid boys subsequently offered up.

And Luca Guadagnino is not all that hot.

by Anonymousreply 431December 31, 2021 1:20 PM

Sad that Antonio Sabato, Jr. has fallen from grace into Trumpoid-troll hell, or his aquiline, dimpled demeanor would be all over this thread.

by Anonymousreply 432December 31, 2021 1:42 PM

R432 Antonio Sabato Jr lost his sweet career in entertainment not for being a complete dumbass!

There are plenty of Republicans in Hollywood. They keep their fucking mouths shut and do their jobs. This fool was not just on the Trump Train but he was the fucking conductor. He didn't just support the worst POTUS in US history but promoted him.

He deserved to lose his career. He would have been financially set up nicely for the rest of his life were he not such a dumbass! Now he is now doing construction work in Florida.

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by Anonymousreply 433January 2, 2022 6:10 AM

OOPS! ^^^^^^^ Antonio Sabato Jr lost his sweet career in entertainment for being a complete dumbass!

by Anonymousreply 434January 2, 2022 6:12 AM

They're at a geographic nexus of different phenotypes and Rome conquered most of Europe and dragged pretty slave people back to the Italian region and made them have babies with them, creating a nation of above-average-looking Italian people.

But most don't age well.

by Anonymousreply 435January 2, 2022 6:21 AM

Non-Italian here, living in Rome... This is what makes them hot:

They have beautiful skin because they use olive oil instead of hormone-laden dairy products; you almost never see acne.

They have high-contrast colouring; dark hair, dark eyes.

They have beautiful glossy dark hair. The hairdressers are quite skilled, even the cheaper places.

They live in a culture that values beauty and they make the effort to dress well. The clothes are very well-designed and they have sales and outlets, so they are affordable.

When they're young, they are slim. They usually have nice teeth. They are light-hearted in general, so they look relaxed and smiling.

They are exceptionally clean. You seldom see greasy hair.

All this is true. But sadly they all seem to hit the wall hard from about 35. They lose their hair, the crap diet gives them Charlie Brown bodies, older men seldom go to the gym.

by Anonymousreply 436January 2, 2022 7:45 AM

I said a lot of that at r1

by Anonymousreply 437January 2, 2022 12:36 PM

Italians don't have brown skin, but like other Mediterraneans, mostly they can get tanned easily. Those who don't expose themselves to sun a lot or if they don't use the solarium in winter are white as any other white person, maybe a tone darker.

I know, I am a Mediterranean and my family comes from Croatian coast and since I don't like to sunbathe i am rather pale. A friend from Dubrovnik, the Croatian deep south, in the summer gets the skin tone darker than some African American women, but she goes back to white in winter. I guess it is Mediterranean gene that protects the skin from the strong sunlight.

by Anonymousreply 438January 2, 2022 12:58 PM

Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem are not Italian, but equally dark Spaniards and you see how pasty they are because obviously they are not frying in the sun a lot.

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by Anonymousreply 439January 2, 2022 1:03 PM

IDK, speaking from experience, there's Mediterranean pasty and then there's Irish pasty (which I am). Not exactly the same.

by Anonymousreply 440January 2, 2022 5:12 PM

The huge dicks are what make them hot.

by Anonymousreply 441January 2, 2022 11:13 PM

The Italians gotta have some color to be hot though. Otherwise they are just like any other generic White man.

by Anonymousreply 442January 2, 2022 11:25 PM

Hybrid vigor of a sort. It's not only at a crossroads between western, southern and cental Europe, but also near northern Africa and the Middle East, and hanging out in the middle of a sea that people from all those regions sailed or paddled through.

Lots of people say that biracial and mixed-race people are "the most attractive," and Italy is a melting pot where so many regions intersect and people from them travel through.

A woman I work with who is "Italian with some Cherokee" did the Ancestry DNA test and—no surprise to me—no Cherokee showed up and her test results show Italian, Spanish, French, Swiss, North African, Middle Eastern, Turkish, Iranian, Russian and Ashkenazi Jewish heritage.

by Anonymousreply 443January 2, 2022 11:31 PM

R442 If you are an anti-white racist for sure. Only a guy with a lot of hours in solarium will do. The mix of human and coal.

by Anonymousreply 444January 2, 2022 11:38 PM

R443 A woman can make DNA test only of her female ancestry since she only inherits X. But she probably, being even Cherokee doesn't have that much of Italian blood, but her ancestors mixed in USA.

by Anonymousreply 445January 2, 2022 11:49 PM

You girls are stupid with you amateur genetics, since all the people came from Africa at some point.

by Anonymousreply 446January 3, 2022 12:00 AM

Here is an article from Nature.

Present-day Europeans, the latest work shows, trace their ancestry to three groups in various combinations: hunter-gatherers, some of them blue-eyed, who arrived from Africa more than 40,000 years ago; Middle Eastern farmers who migrated west much more recently; and a novel, more mysterious population whose range probably spanned northern Europe and Siberia.

That conclusion comes from the genomes of 8,000-year-old hunter-gatherers — one man from Luxembourg and seven individuals from Sweden — as well as the genome of a 7,500-year-old woman from Germany.

So, Swedes and Germans came from Africa, too, but people are adapting to environment and Northerners are generally lighter while Southerners tend to be darker.

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by Anonymousreply 447January 3, 2022 12:06 AM

Wow. Great way to kill a thread

by Anonymousreply 448January 3, 2022 1:11 AM

R445 No.

[quote] Unlike the Y-chromosome or mitochondrial DNA test, AncestryDNA® uses an autosomal DNA test that surveys a person’s entire genome at over 700,000 locations. It covers both the maternal and paternal sides of the family tree, so it covers all lineages.

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by Anonymousreply 449January 3, 2022 1:50 AM

Ti prego, stai zitto

by Anonymousreply 450January 3, 2022 2:14 AM

My observations after living there for a long time:

They grow up playing soccer and riding bikes so their muscular development is from the waist down.

A big muscular chest and arms is sort of seen as gross. They don't spend time in the gym working on their arms.

Even "ugly" men all seem to have at least one beautiful feature. You'll see a guy who isn't traditionally handsome, maybe even homely, but he'll have beautiful lush hair, or gorgeous blue eyes or glowing skin.

The men know how to dress. One thing I learned there is the importance of fit over everything. They prefer things to fit snugly. Nothing looks worse to them than baggy clothes.

Shoes must be new looking. Clean. Well taken care of. Old scruffy shoes are a big no-no.

They move beautifully.

Their mothers have told them constantly how handsome they are and they all believe it.

And one thing I love is how many handsome stylish well groomed older men there are in Italy. It is nice to see. and it's something that's rare in the US..

by Anonymousreply 451January 3, 2022 2:31 AM

can we [italic]please[/italic] get back to looking a hot Italian men now that the 23-and-Me wonks are (hopefully) all talked out?

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by Anonymousreply 452January 3, 2022 1:33 PM

Thank you, R452, but it's the general DL consensus that as perfect as Pietro's body is, he somehow lacks oomph.

by Anonymousreply 453January 3, 2022 3:16 PM

still better than discussing genealogy TL;DR

by Anonymousreply 454January 3, 2022 3:40 PM

Il nuovo bello di cinema Italiano, Filippo Scotti.

Someone might have mentioned him, the thread has many posts, and he is in the new movie by one of the most famous contemporary Italian directors Paolo Sorrentino.

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by Anonymousreply 455January 3, 2022 6:06 PM

He seems like a charming boy.

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by Anonymousreply 456January 3, 2022 6:17 PM

R455 Is very average looking. Not hot.

by Anonymousreply 457January 4, 2022 4:33 AM

The interviewer Alberto Morandi is so bored and uninterested, he almost seems contemptuous, slouching in his chair like that. I thought the young actor was excellent in that interview.

by Anonymousreply 458January 4, 2022 6:05 AM

I was once at a fashion party in Milan and three young male models came in. Honestly, they looked like 10 year old boys on stilts - narrow shoulders, no chest development, small heads, no facial hair. The fitted clothes, eg suits, in shop windows look like they'd fit pre-teens.

by Anonymousreply 459January 4, 2022 6:08 AM

Do Italian American men count?

If so, sometimes besides how physically ideal many are when they are young (before the week-old meatball body transformation takes place), they can have strong personalities like this guy that walk a fine line between being obnoxious/overly confident/kind of gross and being self-effacing/self-aware/so unfunny they become funny...sort of like a "dad jokes" sensibility, but at a young age and in a sexy package.

I do think young Italian guys often present themselves boldly and in an obnoxious and at times intimidating way that is somehow simultaneously fun-loving and not at all self-serious and it becomes really sexy...these guys are loudly goofy but look like Adonises. Barring high intellect, what more could anyone want in a romantic partner?

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by Anonymousreply 460January 4, 2022 5:30 PM

Nyle DiMarco is breathtaking.

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by Anonymousreply 461January 4, 2022 8:19 PM

This Nazi Bitch!

I would never trust his advice, but he is nice to look at.

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by Anonymousreply 462January 5, 2022 5:45 AM

Italians know how fuck.

by Anonymousreply 463January 5, 2022 6:03 AM

Nyle DiMarco isn't just another pretty face with a rocking body, but is a staunch advocate for the disabled. He himself is deaf, but that hasn't slowed Mr. DiMarco down.

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by Anonymousreply 464January 5, 2022 6:59 AM

For those who don't know, yes, Nyle DiMarco is family....

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by Anonymousreply 465January 5, 2022 7:00 AM

Also Nyle's IG seems to be at least 50% shirtless.

by Anonymousreply 466January 5, 2022 1:44 PM

Nyle is stunning but Fabricio Zanoni leaves him in the dust.

by Anonymousreply 467January 5, 2022 2:32 PM

WHO ?

by Anonymousreply 468January 5, 2022 3:42 PM

Fabricio Zunino

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by Anonymousreply 469January 5, 2022 4:16 PM

Definitely Fabricio.

by Anonymousreply 470January 5, 2022 4:40 PM

Google turns up nothing for Fabricio Zunino.

by Anonymousreply 471January 5, 2022 8:37 PM

The infamous “Gabe” from Corbin Fisher is Italian. He’s back up using his real surname since leaving the business.

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by Anonymousreply 472January 5, 2022 8:41 PM

Shaw from Sean Cody is Italian. Has family who still live in Sicily. Lots of pics of him in Italy.

by Anonymousreply 473January 5, 2022 8:47 PM

Mr. Victor Mature

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by Anonymousreply 474January 5, 2022 8:47 PM

r472...you sure that isn't Matt Gaetz ?

by Anonymousreply 475January 5, 2022 9:15 PM

Matt wishes.

by Anonymousreply 476January 5, 2022 9:18 PM

The garlic and meat sauce breath!

by Anonymousreply 477January 6, 2022 1:52 PM

R384 doesn't know what the color blue is.

I don't like that.

by Anonymousreply 478January 6, 2022 1:57 PM

R413 Michele Morrone is so hot he makes me ache!

by Anonymousreply 479January 6, 2022 2:25 PM

r478 yes I'm a bit color blind! I'll revise my post to say "dark hair and light eyes."

by Anonymousreply 480January 6, 2022 2:46 PM

who IS that at R472 with the big peepee?

by Anonymousreply 481January 6, 2022 2:49 PM

r481 it's right there in the text

[quote] The infamous “Gabe” from Corbin Fisher

Stop looking at the peepee and read the post.

by Anonymousreply 482January 6, 2022 3:03 PM

Sorry, R482. I was dickmatized!

by Anonymousreply 483January 6, 2022 3:20 PM

understandable. you can find lots of video of him in action. Please report back.

by Anonymousreply 484January 6, 2022 3:22 PM

R469, MMMMMM... ❤️I would insert a uterus above my prostate just so I could have Fabricio Zunino's babies!!!! 🤪

by Anonymousreply 485January 6, 2022 4:21 PM

ok that's just gross

by Anonymousreply 486January 6, 2022 4:32 PM

Mmmmmm.

by Anonymousreply 487January 6, 2022 8:11 PM

R471 is another incel who doesn't now how to use internet.

Simple Goggle search turns up pages of hits on Argentine Fabricio Zunino....

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by Anonymousreply 488January 7, 2022 2:06 AM

More....

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by Anonymousreply 489January 7, 2022 2:07 AM

nothing like a good Goggle search

by Anonymousreply 490January 7, 2022 2:07 AM

[quote] Nyle is stunning but Fabricio Zanoni leaves him in the dust.

r467 fucked this all up by writing 'Zanoni'

by Anonymousreply 491January 7, 2022 2:09 AM

It's the swagger-- the way they walk like they are free balling.

by Anonymousreply 492January 7, 2022 2:09 AM

Sorry, R491. I did fix it though.

R467

by Anonymousreply 493January 7, 2022 7:41 AM

DANILO D'AGOSTINO

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by Anonymousreply 494January 10, 2022 10:27 AM

From LPSG

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by Anonymousreply 495January 10, 2022 10:30 AM

They’re full of Greek, Middle Eastern, and/or African blood. They hit the genetic jackpot.

by Anonymousreply 496January 10, 2022 11:50 AM

Danilo at r494/r495 is beautiful. Perfect treasure trail. I wish he would leave his chest hair alone to show what he'd be like naturally. His chest is shaved or trimmed in every pic.

by Anonymousreply 497January 10, 2022 1:35 PM

R497 With the feminization of men over the past 30 yrs, body hair has become gauche. It's like if you're uber-masculine you are all of a sudden some kind of knuckle dragging Neanderthal. I for one will be happy when masculinity and everything that accompanies it comes back in style.

by Anonymousreply 498January 10, 2022 3:18 PM

His trail there looks like it's been whittled down to a two-hair-wide landing strip. Imagine the lush tummy fur he could have had.

by Anonymousreply 499January 10, 2022 3:20 PM

I wish Gabe could just ram my hole until the cows come home.

by Anonymousreply 500January 10, 2022 3:23 PM

I Just got into this thread and read up to r76 who kinda nails it on the head. I am the queen who moved to Italy with is partner this past June. There is an endless number of attractive men here in Rome, and around the country. It's the thick hair, full brows, masculine faces. The boys, teens, early twenties are just pretty. There is no other way to say it. What I love is that the men here are NOT obsessed with the gym. They have lean natural bodies, toned. Even men into their 40s, 50s, have lean almost adolescent builds - no pecs, no bugling biceps - which is the reason they look so good in clothing.

I find it fascinating that the standard of beauty here is MALE beauty. It is so different than the states. It must be due to all of the renaissance art, sculptures. The men are always chiseled to perfection (check out Michelangelo's Moses) while the women are for the most part covered. I've noticed a preponderance of Foot Fetishist here as well. The men here seem to be really into feet, showing off their feet. Every other man either has an ankle tattoo or thin ankle bracelet. I think that comes from growing up around these statues and the first thing you encounter growing up is a beautifully articulated foot.

I say in Italy, the Men are prettier than the women and the Women are stronger than the men since women seem to be prized for their strength over their looks - no vocal fry here in the young girls, strong and confident. I thought this guy, who was in charge of the beach chairs at this one spot was so sexy and sensual. He was exactly as r76 described.

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by Anonymousreply 501January 10, 2022 8:24 PM

Another photo of him. Feel free to scroll the link. Just a few pics of Italian guys I've seen here and around the city.

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by Anonymousreply 502January 10, 2022 8:26 PM

R501 I lived in Tuscany many years. I love the Italian men with the more clean cut, even aristocratic look. And the hot daddies with the salt&pepper hair.

by Anonymousreply 503January 10, 2022 8:34 PM

Italian men take pride in being good lovers. They pay attention to the little things, like pounding you senseless.

by Anonymousreply 504January 10, 2022 8:37 PM

It takes those swarthy, unibrow, hairy women (regardless of the country) to produce those glorious sexy sons.

by Anonymousreply 505January 10, 2022 8:46 PM

R501 / R502 Thank you for sharing those pictures. It reminded me how comfortable that men outside the US are with each other. It is not uncommon over there for a man to put his arm around a friend or rest his head on his shoulder or to walk around arm in arm or even holding hands. Nobody thinks anything of it. Nobody is questioning your sexuality or constantly obsessed with it. They are not required to be gay or straight.

I believe that there are gay men, straight men, and there are some who could be either. I don't know if I call that bisexual because I think most people eventually decides which side they want their bread buttered (or more accurately, it is chosen for them). My point is that men should be allowed whatever time they need to decide without being stigmatized.

In the US everyone is forced to pick a side. If you love men then you couldn't possibly love a woman and be a good husband. You gotta be a fully on board with the liberal agenda or fully on board with the conservative agenda. If you like this person then you can't like that person and on and on...

To be the "land of the free" we sure to have a lot of limitations here.

by Anonymousreply 506January 10, 2022 11:04 PM

Philip Fusco!

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by Anonymousreply 507January 11, 2022 7:32 AM

Ya baby!

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by Anonymousreply 508January 11, 2022 7:33 AM

Last one...

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by Anonymousreply 509January 11, 2022 7:35 AM

R472: Gabe posed for Playgirl using his real name, Breck Orshal. What makes you think he's Italian?

by Anonymousreply 510January 11, 2022 10:24 AM

r509 I know you said just one more but have to add this.

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by Anonymousreply 511January 11, 2022 1:20 PM

r510 his name [italic] also [/italic] seems to be Breck Craparo, family man and architect

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by Anonymousreply 512January 11, 2022 1:22 PM

R512, he did gay porn on Corbin or just solos?

by Anonymousreply 513January 11, 2022 2:49 PM

Lots of fucking

by Anonymousreply 514January 11, 2022 4:51 PM

the man in R512 Link does not look Italian. He looks very American.

by Anonymousreply 515January 11, 2022 8:24 PM

This man looks Italian.

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by Anonymousreply 516January 11, 2022 8:27 PM

and talks like one too..

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by Anonymousreply 517January 11, 2022 8:28 PM

Love me some hot guidos*

*Not all Italians are guidos. It’s a subset.

by Anonymousreply 518January 11, 2022 8:32 PM

Big ass noses!

by Anonymousreply 519January 11, 2022 8:38 PM

Breck Orshal was hot!

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by Anonymousreply 520January 12, 2022 3:11 AM

Philip Fusco is an average Italian American young man from Long Island (IIRC). Like others he has been picked up and now is a "model", has OF page, is an Instahoe, etc...

Don't know if he's gay or straight, but think he long since has moved off Long Island.

In another era these sort of young men would have been go-go boys (part of John Blair's stable), working at clubs and bars making money from tips. That and perhaps bit more on the side..... Few of them like Tracy James managed to parlay that into a somewhat decent modeling career, but they were far and few between.

Today of course thanks to Mr. Internet these young buff guys don't need to go-go dance for tips, or even escort. They can make their money from Instagram, Only Fans, etc....

by Anonymousreply 521January 12, 2022 3:28 AM

Any links, r521?

by Anonymousreply 522January 12, 2022 1:56 PM

Just what can be found on LPSG

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by Anonymousreply 523January 12, 2022 2:15 PM

R522 you can also just google Philip Fusco and his insta-hoe, i mean instagram page will pop up with lots of pics. R521 is right, he's cute but in a more Americanized way. He doesn't have the features and coloring of Italians in Italy.

And if he is not gay, he is definitely courting the gay audience.

by Anonymousreply 524January 12, 2022 2:46 PM

[quote] With the feminization of men over the past 30 yrs

You mean homosexuality.

by Anonymousreply 525January 12, 2022 2:56 PM

[Quote]You mean homosexuality.

R525 No Sweetheart, don't get your bloomers in a bunch. I mean feminine as opposed to masculine. Sexual preference has nothing to do with men shaving their bodies. Have you missed the fact that there are a number of "straight" identifying males also shaving their bodies?

by Anonymousreply 526January 12, 2022 3:02 PM

This is how clothes should fit. (ref Danilo above.)

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by Anonymousreply 527January 12, 2022 3:26 PM

[quote] the man in [R512] Link does not look Italian. He looks very American.

Italian-American.

by Anonymousreply 528January 12, 2022 11:06 PM

[quote] No Sweetheart, don't get your bloomers in a bunch. I mean feminine as opposed to masculine.

Homosexuality is still deemed effeminate and homophobia is linked to misogyny. You sounds like a typical self-loathing retard.

by Anonymousreply 529January 12, 2022 11:07 PM

Are we counting Stanley Tucci as Italian?

by Anonymousreply 530January 12, 2022 11:10 PM

R530 I only watched one episode of his food show. Tuscany.

At least from what I saw on the show, he really has it down. Gets it entirely.

by Anonymousreply 531January 12, 2022 11:16 PM

R351 He certainly wears his clothes like a true Italian, there’s nothing left to the imagination in those tight pants.

by Anonymousreply 532January 12, 2022 11:24 PM

Not all of Italian background no matter where they live are dark and swarthy. Philip Fusco looks "Italian" enough by most standards.

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by Anonymousreply 533January 13, 2022 2:02 AM

Drool.

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by Anonymousreply 534January 13, 2022 2:09 AM

As another poster noted, PF is just an average (maybe bit above) NY/NJ/Conn/Philly/MA Italian guy working really hard at his looks. In that way he's no different than scores of other Instahoes or so called "models" world over.

Again as posted above back in say 1990's or 1980's this guy would be go-go dancing at gay bars/parties, maybe doing photo shoots for HX, Next or other gay publications. Same as scores of working/middle class Irish, Italian, or whatever European background did back in day, all in hopes of moving onto acting or major mainstream modeling. Select few (such as Tracy James) rode that train further and longer than most, the rest long went back to their working/middle class roots.

Of course now with Mr. Internet, as stated above these guys can reach a worldwide audience, and make money in ways not done previously. Philip Fusco may or may not be gay, but he like so many others knows how to work that market, pushing Only Fans and so forth.

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by Anonymousreply 535January 13, 2022 2:09 AM

Fuck.

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by Anonymousreply 536January 13, 2022 2:10 AM

Guy in R534 and R536 is closer to what many Italian men look like on average, this as opposed to the "Italian Stallion" image many Americans have of every man from that country or background.

If large horse hung dicks are your thing, have at him; while not exactly fachia brute Vinne Mark leaves much to be desired looks wise IMHO.

by Anonymousreply 537January 13, 2022 2:19 AM

Philip Fusco looks a bit like Mario Cantone in this YT video....

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by Anonymousreply 538January 13, 2022 2:21 AM

R529

You sound like an oversensitive dumbass who fails to recognize that there are many kinds of men (whether gay or straight). Some are feminine. Some are masculine and some fall somewhere in between. What is wrong with you? Are you still stinging over bullies beating you up on the playground for flitting around in pink pants like a fairy? LOL

Commentary on men shaving their bodies has nothing to do with misogyny or homophobia. All men and anyone who dates them has an opinion/preference. Get a grip! Nobody cares about YOU being feminine and shaving every hair on your body (including your eyebrows). LOL I don't have to like it. Stop trying to push your shit on everyone else!

by Anonymousreply 539January 13, 2022 3:29 AM

[Quote]Italian-American.

R528 No shit!

A lot of us are distinguishing between Italians from Italy and Italian Americans. They look different in America if they have been in the country for multiple generations.

by Anonymousreply 540January 13, 2022 3:35 AM

[Quote] As posted above

[Quote] as another poster noted

[Quote] as stated above

R535 these should all be signals to you that you have nothing to say.

by Anonymousreply 541January 13, 2022 3:55 AM

[quote] A lot of us are distinguishing between Italians from Italy and Italian Americans. They look different in America if they have been in the country for multiple generations.

Genetics are genetics. Bring in America changes nothing. Most Italians came to the US in the early 20th century. They haven’t been in the country long. Breck looks Italian through and through.

by Anonymousreply 542January 13, 2022 11:04 AM

[quote]Genetics are genetics. Bring in America changes nothing.

Diet changes a lot. A lot.

Speaking a different language changes the face.

Cultures give people a certain look.

by Anonymousreply 543January 13, 2022 11:50 AM

R543 is correct. And there is a big difference IN Italy between southern Italians who have more North African/ Moroccan influences and northern Italians who have more European influences, with the break being around Rome. Italian men from Milan, Tuscany, Venice, Umbria are lighter in complexion to their countrymen to the south of Rome - Naples, Sicily, Puglia, Saredegna. Most of the Italians in America came from Sicily or Naples. That is why most Italian Americans closely resemble this singular area of Italy - darker skin, dark curly hair. But if you actually visit the country you will see the men up north are different. And when you are up north, you can definitely spot the men from the south. But across the board, it can definitely be defined as a country of Pretty Boys.

Being an American who lives here, none of the pictures posted above really look like Italians here. It's funny when you can spot Americans here. We do have a distinct look, even though we don't think we do. I am not sure if it's the shape of our faces, smaller features. But we are usually bigger, taller as well and doing American stuff like jogging. And oddly enough, (again even though we don't think it) Italians love American Optimism, and the hope that things can be better. That comes across in the face as well. A pleasantness. And most of the guys above look very American, even though they may be Italian American.

by Anonymousreply 544January 13, 2022 1:55 PM

[Quote]Genetics are genetics.

R542 You are missing the bigger picture!

I agree with R543 and R544. There are many things that can impact how people look, including weather and the fact that Americans have been marrying interracially across generations.

Generally speaking, haven't you noticed that Europeans have a different look than Americans?

by Anonymousreply 545January 13, 2022 1:58 PM

TL; DR. TL; DR. TL; DR. TL; DR. TL; DR. TL; DR. TL; DR. TL; DR. TL; DR.

by Anonymousreply 546January 13, 2022 2:30 PM

[quote] Speaking a different language changes the face.

No it doesn’t.

by Anonymousreply 547January 14, 2022 1:20 PM

R547 It certainly does.

by Anonymousreply 548January 14, 2022 4:24 PM

good debate skills, r547 and r548!

by Anonymousreply 549January 14, 2022 4:38 PM

Different languages use and develop different muscles of the face. As well as different facial expressions while speaking. Put it together and language does indeed change one's look.

by Anonymousreply 550January 14, 2022 4:49 PM

[quote] Different languages use and develop different muscles of the face. As well as different facial expressions while speaking. Put it together and language does indeed change one's look.

It does not. Find a link backing up this claim. We’ll wait.

by Anonymousreply 551January 15, 2022 1:43 AM

Back to pictures

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by Anonymousreply 552January 15, 2022 2:11 PM

dark hair light eyes. Kryptonite.

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by Anonymousreply 553January 15, 2022 2:12 PM

Italian ass

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by Anonymousreply 554January 15, 2022 2:26 PM

Their cum tastes like sweet gelato!

by Anonymousreply 555January 15, 2022 3:22 PM

Way back when I was young, every ethnic Italian guy I bedded had a large thick bush. It didn't matter if they had light or dark hair on their heads. I could count on the foliage when the underwear came off.

by Anonymousreply 556January 15, 2022 3:29 PM

Good morning, DL. I hope you're all waking up to this.

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by Anonymousreply 557January 16, 2022 12:48 PM

557 We all should be so lucky!

by Anonymousreply 558January 16, 2022 3:20 PM

Here is a cool program with naked Italian guys. Looks like a fun TV show.

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by Anonymousreply 559January 17, 2022 12:55 AM

The Mediterranean sun, I reckon.

by Anonymousreply 560January 17, 2022 1:26 AM

I see what you did there.

by Anonymousreply 561January 17, 2022 2:56 AM

They also have big asses. Yum.

by Anonymousreply 562January 17, 2022 4:12 AM

Big thick cream-filled Italian CANNOLIS...

by Anonymousreply 563January 17, 2022 5:13 AM

the butt on that 'contestant' at r559 is excellent, although maybe a tad too much jiggle when he walks away

by Anonymousreply 564January 17, 2022 12:55 PM

How is that game show any different than the red light district of Amsterdam? I don't understand what they're saying in Italian, but it's plain to see what they are selling.

by Anonymousreply 565January 17, 2022 1:28 PM

What are they selling?

by Anonymousreply 566January 17, 2022 1:45 PM

Foreskin, Rose, foreskin.

by Anonymousreply 567January 17, 2022 1:47 PM

Jimmy Garropolo!

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by Anonymousreply 568January 17, 2022 2:07 PM

more of r568's Italian

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by Anonymousreply 569January 17, 2022 2:24 PM

Great thread. I never knew objectifying men could be so much fun!

by Anonymousreply 570January 17, 2022 3:16 PM

I want his babies.

by Anonymousreply 571January 17, 2022 4:10 PM

Robby Benson looks a bit Italian.

by Anonymousreply 572January 17, 2022 5:07 PM

R568 The next time you post this man I wanna see some of his goods!

by Anonymousreply 573January 17, 2022 7:33 PM

Oh My!

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by Anonymousreply 574January 17, 2022 7:39 PM

ok understudies let's all post when stars are out of shows and you can wonder why people aren't showing up when you're on, even though your fabulous friends [italic] who don't buy tickets [/italic] think it's great for you

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by Anonymousreply 575January 20, 2022 11:24 PM

oops VERY wrong thread

by Anonymousreply 576January 20, 2022 11:25 PM
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