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Shteven Shpielberg Wesh Shide Shtory
|by Anonymous||reply 254||November 26, 2021 10:45 PM|
Looks wonderful to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||September 15, 2021 2:49 PM|
I must be missing a sensitivity chip, but I thought the original was a hilarious piece of shit (with good dancing), and this remake looks even worse.
And, ok, casting Natalie Wood as a Puerto Rican was unfortunate, but making her sound like she just swam from San Juan is just ridiculous. I thought the whole point of Maria’s arc is that she’s a first generation American mainlander clashing with her immigrant father. A New Yor-ican isn’t going to sound like she took her first English language course last week.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||September 15, 2021 2:52 PM|
I was hoping this movie had already come and gone.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||September 15, 2021 2:57 PM|
I keep forgetting this is even a thing. Is Elgort still persona non grata?
|by Anonymous||reply 4||September 15, 2021 3:24 PM|
Technically, R4, but they refilled his scenes and Tony rapes Maria.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||September 15, 2021 3:27 PM|
Has there ever been a more pointless remake?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||September 15, 2021 3:31 PM|
That was much better than I was expecting.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||September 15, 2021 3:36 PM|
I just have to assume this is made for today's generation of kids who will go OMG and then dispose of it by the next month.
As another poster said, the most pointless remake since.....Ben Hur of a few years ago.
Who remembers that?
|by Anonymous||reply 8||September 15, 2021 3:39 PM|
If this flops, will Hollywood finally drop this mediocrity?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||September 15, 2021 3:40 PM|
[quote] I thought the whole point of Maria’s arc is that she’s a first generation American mainlander clashing with her immigrant father. A New Yor-ican isn’t going to sound like she took her first English language course last week.
I thought it was pretty clear in the original that Maria had just recently arrived from Puerto Rico.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||September 15, 2021 3:44 PM|
But a lot of people remember the Charlton Heston Ben-Hur r8, which was, itself, a remake.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||September 15, 2021 3:45 PM|
r10: yes, the first scene with Maria and Anita is all about her having recently arrived and how over-protective Bernardo is to her.
r11: yes, the 1959 Ben-Hur was a remake of the 1925 version, but if you've seen both, it's one of the rare remakes that's actually an improvement over the original (which isn't terrible, just that it drags quite a bit and isn't as gripping as the '59 version).
|by Anonymous||reply 12||September 15, 2021 3:49 PM|
[QUOTE] If this flops, will Hollywood finally drop this mediocrity?
Hollywood will do everything they can to prevent this from flopping. They’re going to hype the shit out of it for the next three months.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||September 15, 2021 3:54 PM|
Elgort looks like he just farted and wonders if anyone else smells it. Seriously, he has zero charisma.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||September 15, 2021 4:00 PM|
It looks beautiful. From the trailer, I would have guessed that the movie was all about Bernardo, Maria, and Anita, with an assist from Riff. Tony is basically furniture here. So that's the big unanswered question for me: Will Ansel Elgort ruin everything? I hope not. I want it be something great, with the new dialogue by Tony Kushner.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||September 15, 2021 4:00 PM|
This was "Anshel's" first public appearance in over a year so they must be gearing him up for press.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||September 15, 2021 4:00 PM|
[quote]Hollywood will do everything they can to prevent this from flopping. They’re going to hype the shit out of it for the next three months.
Yes, they'll follow the template that made In the Heights a smash it.
Oh, wait ...
|by Anonymous||reply 17||September 15, 2021 4:01 PM|
[quote]I just have to assume this is made for today's generation of kids who will go OMG and then dispose of it by the next month.
Today's generation has no idea this is even coming out. They've either not heard of WSS, or they couldn't care less about a 50 year old musical. The only way this can be a success is if Baby Boomers want to see it.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||September 15, 2021 4:07 PM|
60 year old musical
|by Anonymous||reply 19||September 15, 2021 4:09 PM|
R16, why does Ansel have his hand on his dad’s knee like that,
Considering how his dad also photographed him in the shower, I wonder if he grew up being molested by his father?
|by Anonymous||reply 20||September 15, 2021 4:28 PM|
I was actually referring to whether or not they'll finally drop Ansel but yes it is a Spielberg studio film so Hollywood will hype the shit out of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||September 15, 2021 4:54 PM|
Judging from some of the dialogue included in this trailer, I feat that Kushner has decided to triple underline some of the subtext that was always clear in the movie. Also looks like he has gone out of his way to make Maria a "stronger" character -- you know, in a "Bernardo, I have to live my own life, so don't tell me what to do!!!" sort of way.
[quote]The 1959 Ben-Hur was a remake of the 1925 version, but if you've seen both, it's one of the rare remakes that's actually an improvement over the original (which isn't terrible, just that it drags quite a bit and isn't as gripping as the '59 version).
Also, umm, the 1925 movie is silent, and very few people would still sit through even the greatest silent films after sound came in. So OF COURSE they were going to remake the greatest successes of the silent film era -- BEN-HUR, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||September 15, 2021 5:03 PM|
Why was Ansel cancelled? I can't keep up with all the cancellations of celebrities.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||September 15, 2021 5:10 PM|
He allegedly sexually assaulted a 17 year old girl, R23.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||September 15, 2021 6:26 PM|
I'm nervous by the fact that they're keeping Ansel's voice underwraps. I feel like he's going to make a fool of himself. The little bit I've heard of him singing didn't sell me.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||September 15, 2021 6:44 PM|
Ansel ghosted one of his hookups and she accused him of assault.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||September 15, 2021 6:53 PM|
I sure hope this makes room for the great Carol Lawrence perhaps as Maria's Mum.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||September 15, 2021 6:55 PM|
I'm going to be bold and predict that this is going to do very well. I love the old film but it looks like a movie from 1961. This is a Steven Spielberg period piece with modern cinematography that looks like a film from today, which I think is a great thing. It will play to a whole new audience. Young people may not specifically know WSS but they know "Romeo and Juliet". And kids today are more into musicals than you'd think - compared to when I was growing up in the '90s it's a totally different thing and way more mainstream. That's why we're getting all these films in the first place.
But more than that, WSS is just very very good especially compared to all the other stuff lately. And it's in that serious/populist sweet spot where it's just complex enough to please the snobs but also accessible to civilians. It's thrilling music - there's this amazing clip of Dudamel conducting the Mambo at a symphony concert and the audience is going absolutely bananas like they're at a rock concert and it's an group of all ages. I think compared to the droning ballads of DEH and the lackluster music of ITH this is going to seem particularly brilliant. There's a reason WSS has held up this long and I predict it still will.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||September 15, 2021 6:59 PM|
The original West Side Story has been cancelled because Natalie Wood wasn't Latinx.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||September 15, 2021 7:02 PM|
[quote] The original West Side Story has been cancelled because Natalie Wood wasn't Latinx.
And that seems to be the only reason for this remake.
That's not a good enough reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||September 15, 2021 7:06 PM|
r30 we live in strange times.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||September 15, 2021 7:07 PM|
[quote]He allegedly sexually assaulted a 17 year old girl, [R23].
[quote]Ansel ghosted one of his hookups and she accused him of assault.
From what I have read, the second description of what happened is far more accurate.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||September 15, 2021 7:08 PM|
The Sound Of Music remake MUST have at least two black Von Trapp kids and Maria MUST be Latino.
Captain Von Trapp's Asian heritage will also be groundbreaking.
And additional hip hop tracks will make it better than the first!
|by Anonymous||reply 33||September 15, 2021 7:12 PM|
Nah, r33, it's more like insisting on a remake of The King and I because Yul Brynner wasn't really Siamese.
(Like Natalie, Yul was of Russian extraction.)
|by Anonymous||reply 34||September 15, 2021 7:15 PM|
Will not see this !!!!! The Puerto Ricans are not black. The Italians are not black. Have we learnt nothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||September 15, 2021 7:15 PM|
What Italians? Aren't the Jets supposed to be Polish-American?
|by Anonymous||reply 36||September 15, 2021 7:17 PM|
Tony is Polish-American, not all the other Jets.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||September 15, 2021 7:22 PM|
I believe this remake was done because...Spielberg wanted to do this remake.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||September 15, 2021 7:29 PM|
I guess this is how you sell one of the greatest collections of music ever assembled for one show today: barely include any music in the trailer.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||September 15, 2021 7:30 PM|
The orchestration was never meant to be this enormous.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||September 15, 2021 7:30 PM|
[quote]The original West Side Story has been cancelled because Natalie Wood wasn't Latinx.
Neither is George Chakiris.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||September 15, 2021 7:34 PM|
Maria looks like a fetus in red lipstick.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||September 15, 2021 7:39 PM|
Minority voice here (probably) but I don't like the stunt casting of Moreno as Valentina. That's not a character in the 1961 film or any of the Broadway iterations. No great harm done, but it seems like they'll milk that for all it's worth.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||September 15, 2021 7:44 PM|
I saw the original and Natalie Wood must be Latina because I clearly heard her say "tell me it isn't Drooo". Sounds right.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||September 15, 2021 7:46 PM|
R40, the original orchestration was limited by the size of the pit at the Winter Garden theater. Bernstein omitted a harp or any violas because he needed space for the brass, that played such a prominent role in the dance sequences.
When the studio recording was done in 1984, the number of woodwinds alone jumped from 6 to 13, at the composer’s direction.
I’m sure he’d be thrilled to hear his music played so lavishly with 21st century technology to really reveal every facet of the score.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||September 15, 2021 7:57 PM|
Love that r28.
It looks like a scene from the Glee that never was but should have been.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||September 15, 2021 8:00 PM|
Anybody who thinks that film wasn't due for a remake simply hasn't watched the entire movie in a long time. There are certainly a few brilliant dance sequences (the opening, Dance at the Gym, America and Cool) but the rest of is very sludgy and boring.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||September 15, 2021 8:12 PM|
Do y'all think this new version will make $548 million? That's how much the original, adjusted for inflation, grossed at the domestic box office.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||September 15, 2021 8:21 PM|
r48 I think it will probably make around 400 million worldwide box office. Will turn a profit eventually after VOD & cable sales.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||September 15, 2021 8:23 PM|
R24, it actually isn't clear to me that what his accuser described is legally sexually assault. It isn't clear from her description that she ever withdrew consent as a matter of law.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||September 15, 2021 8:26 PM|
R22, you know what remake actually WAS superior to the original was the 1983 SCARFACE, such an improvement over the 1932 non-silent film.
Also, how many remakes have there been of A STAR IS BORN? The most recent one being nominated for Best Picture, unlike the other two remakes.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||September 15, 2021 8:32 PM|
The trailer almost obscures the fact that it’s a musical. Split seconds of dance and just “Tonight” which could be a theme song like “My Heart Will Go On”
|by Anonymous||reply 52||September 15, 2021 8:35 PM|
It's got "Somewhere", which still makes hearts go pitter-pat and it's got "Maria" which is just absolutely lovely and "I Feel Pretty" which is an Instagram moment waiting to happen, unless Sondheim makes them cut it.
It looks gorgeous, and the music is so great. But the leading man seems like a stick of wood.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||September 15, 2021 8:51 PM|
What made this "update" of Romeo and Juliet the first time around was primarily the score and the choreography, and that's obviously the case here, which you can see in the first 20 seconds. The first film's other advantage was the really classy gorgeous second lead cast. There isn't a man onscreen in this remake who can fill George Chakiris' sharkskin suit and violet shirt, for example.
Never mind Rita Moreno's violet dress by Irene Sharaff.
The first film's big weakness was its two leads. But in the end, the music and choreography swept everything before it. That film reeked of stature. People stood on line for hours to see it.
That's not what you see here. I'm in agreement that this is a totally unnecessary remake. The updated dialogue won't make a difference or turn this into something like A View From The Bridge set to music.
And for what it's worth, R&J is one of my least favourite of the Bard's works. Give me the ballroom scene and Mercutio's big Queen Mab speech and I'm done.
It's always worked better in other forms, in my view, especially balletically. There are dozens of R&J ballets out there, a couple of exceptional ones, like the Macmillan one for the Royal Ballet, and the rest are forgettable.
That's what you're looking at here, the Wannabe version.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||September 15, 2021 9:08 PM|
[quote]The trailer almost obscures the fact that it’s a musical.
That's the idea.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||September 15, 2021 9:12 PM|
[quote]I guess this is how you sell one of the greatest collections of music ever assembled for one show today: barely include any music in the trailer.
I always find it annoying and ultimately foolish when a musical film is marketed with a trailer that has no singing in it -- like SWEENEY TODD, to pick just one example off the top of my head. But when the same procedure is followed for a remake of WEST SIDE STORY, which literally contains one of THE most famous scores of all time, it seem positively perverse.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||September 15, 2021 9:35 PM|
How many bombs is it gonna take for this talentless, ugly nepotism spawn to be over? Same for Mouseboy too.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||September 15, 2021 9:52 PM|
Ansel as Tom Collins
|by Anonymous||reply 58||September 15, 2021 9:59 PM|
Why does everyone want to live in 1963? I'm sorry you missed the protests and firehoses and German Shepherds. I imagine it was an exciting time. But it's over. Now go back to your Cheetos and watch "Dancing With The Stars".
|by Anonymous||reply 59||September 15, 2021 10:05 PM|
It only took 20 responses til The Rape Trolls arrived. He must have been raped by his father... he raped a girl... he rape rape rape rape rape rape.
There is a deranged, worldwide cult of rape fetishists. Some were molested, most weren't. But it's all they can think about. Everyone wants to rape them.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||September 15, 2021 10:13 PM|
Elgort is not bad looking at all but he seems like a douche. It's not just that girl it's other things form his past. Arrogant and entitled.
The video of him singing in a high school production of Rent or wherever that's from is BAD. I mean really BAD. Off key and just BAD. Did his daddy provide some "support" for the production.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||September 15, 2021 11:00 PM|
This is Ansel from 2017, singing live. I assume from this that his voice is good enough to enhance in studio to get some acceptable results. Not Jeremy Jordan results, but at least people going, "Well, okay."
|by Anonymous||reply 62||September 15, 2021 11:37 PM|
I'm still in. It's a day one for me. Still, this trailer is missing the visceral ooomph of the brief teaser released back in late winter.
And yes, based upon both trailers, Elgort is miscast. Spielberg made a mistake.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||September 16, 2021 12:50 AM|
In the trailer, Elgort seems so sullen. Isn't Tony usually played as more optimistic and sunny? Elgort's Tony signals the inevitable tragedy.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||September 16, 2021 1:54 AM|
R15 the dialog in the trailer hardly sounds new. So cliched!
|by Anonymous||reply 65||September 16, 2021 5:54 AM|
R2 Have you heard of Cardi B?
|by Anonymous||reply 66||September 16, 2021 6:49 AM|
This looks like Glee!
It’s not my bag.
I can’t see it doing well. I don’t see the appeal. There’s no movie stars in it, there’s no hot guys, and it’s a musical.
It won’t be as bad as “Cats” but I actually saw “Cats” because everyone was saying it’s so bad you have to see it. I definitely won’t be seeing this.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||September 16, 2021 6:54 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 68||September 16, 2021 7:00 AM|
I wonder why the description under that clip at r62 says it’s by Chet Baker, when it’s from Guys and Dolls by Frank Loesser.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||September 16, 2021 7:09 AM|
They barely show Ansel, almost like they are embarrassed that he is in the film!
|by Anonymous||reply 70||September 16, 2021 7:24 AM|
What about me?
|by Anonymous||reply 71||September 16, 2021 7:34 AM|
R43 she's supposed to replace the Doc character, right? But that doesn't make sense. At the beginning of the musical, he's attempting change his bad boy ways and go straight and has taken a job at Doc's store. Tony's first positive interaction with a Puerto Rican is Maria.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||September 16, 2021 7:40 AM|
R36 the Jets are supposed to be a collection of European descendants (Polish, Italian, German, Irish) who normally would have fought each other at the turn of the 20th century but have banded together to confront a more 'foreign' rival: Puerto Ricans.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||September 16, 2021 7:50 AM|
Sondheim was on Colbert tonight and said there will a few big changes from the original that will amaze people who know the original.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||September 16, 2021 7:58 AM|
Sondheim is clearly biased. I was young when the Sweeney Todd film was released. I was so excited for it, especially after it came so highly recommended by Sondheim himself. He was everywhere promoting it. I couldn't wait to see it, but then... I was underwhelmed, to say the least. The funny thing is, I felt more let down/betrayed by Sondheim than by Tim Burton.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||September 16, 2021 8:04 AM|
I love how they held off on this release for over year, as if a year would make Ansel Elgort any less creepy or loathsome. Steven could have picked a hundred more talented singers, but he chose Ansel. It's like putting a poop topping on a perfectly good cheesecake. I'll pass.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||September 16, 2021 8:07 AM|
Be thankful Spielberg chose Ansel Elgort. Ben Platt was gunning hard to get cast as Tony, and that would have been a shitstorm of awfulness had he been cast.
I'm most excited to see David Alvarez as Bernardo. He was a wonderful Billy Elliott back in the day, then went into the military when he got older, so he's not going to be pretending to be masculine, cause he is, and he can dance.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||September 16, 2021 8:16 AM|
Starring talented newcomer and rapist, Anshel Elgort !
|by Anonymous||reply 78||September 16, 2021 9:01 AM|
Ansel Elgort is neither a newcomer nor a rapist. 🙄
|by Anonymous||reply 79||September 16, 2021 9:07 AM|
Zelger's face annoys me, and I don't know why. I'll stick to the OBC, thanks.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||September 16, 2021 9:07 AM|
[quote]Isn't Tony usually played as more optimistic and sunny?
Something MEH is coming!
|by Anonymous||reply 81||September 16, 2021 9:39 AM|
Gotta admit I was impressed. Spielberg knows how to make a movie but I had low expectations.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||September 16, 2021 9:49 AM|
A true romatic ...
|by Anonymous||reply 83||September 16, 2021 9:54 AM|
Nowadays, the only people bringing up the whole Ansel 'sexual assault' are SJWs, especially self-loathing white liberals hoping to score woke brownie points. But It is clear that nothing of the sort happened. They just want to tear down another white man. Ansel triggers them because he is not only white but comes from a very privileged background.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||September 16, 2021 9:59 AM|
[quote]Judging from some of the dialogue included in this trailer, I feat that Kushner has decided to triple underline some of the subtext that was always clear in the movie.
I thought that too; he was clearly framing the Jets as Deplorable 1.0, though I don't think it's necessarily bad to remind people that Americans have always been afraid of the next wave immigrants, whoever they are.
The originally movie - however flawed it may be - was still a masterpiece and rather than try to remake a masterpiece, it would be interesting to see a re-imagining of the story, sort of like Baz Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet which as a *great* Queen Mab speech
|by Anonymous||reply 85||September 16, 2021 10:45 AM|
100% forgot Ansel Elgort was in this. So much disappointment.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||September 16, 2021 11:37 AM|
I was going to say we need a gay WWS but that's out of date. I would like a non-binary one but don't know what the two gangs would be.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||September 16, 2021 11:48 AM|
Have they uncancelled Asshol Englesnort then?
|by Anonymous||reply 88||September 16, 2021 11:49 AM|
The Broadway revival of West Side Story that closed when Broadway shut down last year for Covid often had pickets outside because the dancer playing Bernardo was fired by New York City Ballet in 2018 for his part in a sexting scandal inside the company.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||September 16, 2021 11:56 AM|
R89 is correct but that's not why the show closed. It was bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||September 16, 2021 12:01 PM|
No, the show was still running when all of Broadway shut down because of Covid on March 11. The producers have decided not to reopen.
And I agree it wasn't very good but that's not why it shut down.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||September 16, 2021 12:08 PM|
After all the "In The Heights" drama, I wonder if this movie will have a sufficient number of dark skinned latinos. It would be a shame to have Ansel uncancelled for being a perv, but then be cancelled again for anti-dark skinned latino bias
|by Anonymous||reply 92||September 16, 2021 12:11 PM|
What r65 said, too.
I get the difficult, fine line Kushner has to walk in creating dialog for a film and social sensibility set in the late 1950s, not to mention the cultural and ethnic aspects of the characters.
But still, Maria's dialog sounds cliche.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||September 16, 2021 12:13 PM|
I guess you'll be disappointed to hear that "I Feel Pretty" has been replaced with "#GirlBoss."
|by Anonymous||reply 94||September 16, 2021 12:52 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 95||September 16, 2021 12:58 PM|
I’m going to see the original movie on the big screen in the Turner Classics series in November
|by Anonymous||reply 96||September 16, 2021 1:31 PM|
Does anyone know how the film handles the character of Anybodys, the baby dyke member of the Jets? I wonder if she's been cut.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||September 16, 2021 1:37 PM|
R84 Ansel triggers people because he is a narcissistic douchebag with very little talent.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||September 16, 2021 2:21 PM|
[quote]After all the "In The Heights" drama, I wonder if this movie will have a sufficient number of dark skinned latinos.
When that infuriating nonsense came up with ITH, it occurred to me that Spielberg et al. must be VERY happy and relieved that they cast a dark-skinned Afro-Latina as Anita. I assume that her presence in that major role will be enough to stifle any criticism, regardless of the skin color of the other Latin people in the movie.
[quote]The Broadway revival of West Side Story that closed when Broadway shut down last year for Covid often had pickets outside because the dancer playing Bernardo was fired by New York City Ballet in 2018 for his part in a sexting scandal inside the company.
[quote]In 2018, Ramasar was fired from NYCB for sharing explicit pictures of female dancers without their knowledge or consent. In 2019, he made his debut at the Teatro dell'Opera in Rome. That same year, a union arbitrator ruled that, while suspension from NYCB was fitting, his firing was too severe a punishment. As a result, the arbitrator ordered Ramasa to be reinstated by the NYCB. In July 2021, the NYCB announced that Ramasar was retiring in May of 2022.
As for Elgort's casting as Tony, I'm really not familiar with his talent or lack of same, so I can't comment. But I can't help feeling they would have been better off going with a very talented unknown as Tony. Whatever sort of a name Elgort has, I don't think it would have made that much difference to the box office of WSS even if his alleged scandal hadn't come up.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||September 16, 2021 3:06 PM|
Are they keeping the Spanish-language lyrics that were added to the penultimate Broadway revival?
|by Anonymous||reply 100||September 16, 2021 3:56 PM|
R100, I'm sure they're not keeping all or even most of those lyrics in the songs proper, but I do wonder if we might hear a snippet or two of them somewhere in the new movie. Spielberg and Kushner might have wanted to keep a phrase or two sung in Spanish, especially since those lyrics were written by Lin-Manuel Miranda.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||September 16, 2021 4:28 PM|
In this Youtube video, Sondheim discussing some of the changes to West Side Story in the Spielberg film.
[quote] "Tony Kushner, who wrote the screenplay, has done some really imaginative and surprising things with the way the songs are used in the story."
WSS discussion starts at 5:30
|by Anonymous||reply 102||September 16, 2021 5:00 PM|
Stephen Sondheim is in good shape for 91 years old.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||September 16, 2021 6:10 PM|
[quote]"Tony Kushner, who wrote the screenplay, has done some really imaginative and surprising things with the way the songs are used in the story."
We can see one example of this in the new trailer, where Maria sings a little bit of "Tonight" a cappella by herself on the fire escape. I'm guessing maybe that happens after the "quintet," while she's waiting for Tony to come to her after (she hopes) he has stopped the rumble from happening.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||September 16, 2021 6:23 PM|
R102, He doesn’t actually discuss any specific changes, just general cheerleading
|by Anonymous||reply 105||September 16, 2021 6:28 PM|
[quote]Does anyone know how the film handles the character of Anybodys, the baby dyke member of the Jets? I wonder if she's been cut.
I thought that's who Ansel was playing.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||September 16, 2021 6:53 PM|
Ansel Elgort Dances Through the Decades
|by Anonymous||reply 107||September 16, 2021 6:57 PM|
The Leonard Bernstein music sounds amazing toward then of the trailer. Gorgeous orchestration. As a kid we went to Lincoln Center on a school trip and watched him rehearsing leading an orchestra.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||September 16, 2021 7:23 PM|
Did you make the connection between the location and the story?
|by Anonymous||reply 109||September 16, 2021 9:24 PM|
Well I love Natalie Wood in the movie. She really comes through as harrowing in the scene where she finds out Bernardo has been killed when Chino throws it in her face in anger which is so wonderfully filmed by Wise and her big speech at the end which could have been silly but she makes it matter and left me in tears when I first saw it..
In this film Maria has to declare that she is going to think for herself. In the '61 version there doesn't need to be any declaration she IS thinking for herself. Lehman did not need to trowel it on. And for those who think the dancing is good in the original is good you must not like dancing very much. It is spectacular.
I hope Peck did some good work for this because his City Ballet stuff is very mediocre especially in his subway tribute to Robbins.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||September 17, 2021 1:33 AM|
Is Elgort even remotely believable as the former leader of a street gang?
|by Anonymous||reply 111||September 17, 2021 2:01 AM|
Seriously r111. Everything about him just screams "rich privileged white douchebag."
|by Anonymous||reply 112||September 17, 2021 2:22 AM|
It would be like Dl's own YourMillennialFriend being the leader of a street gang.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||September 17, 2021 2:23 AM|
I’m nervous about Kushner’s new dialogue. He’s so bombastic.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||September 17, 2021 2:32 AM|
My recollection of the 60s in my city--not New York--is that the white gangs fought each other unless they spied some unsuspecting fuck in khakis and madras. Then they'd mug him and pants him. All of these people got sent to Vietnam, sometimes in lieu of going to jail.. The ones who survived went into construction, drove trucks or became cops. They moved to charmless suburbs with strip malls. They're all probably MAGAs and retired..
The Hispanic gangs fought each other, too, and marked off territory with graffiti. The Black gangs were organized crime, which eventually became the fate of Hispanic gangs when demand for cocaine and marijuana surged. They both fought wars over drug territory and distribution. Have no idea what happened to them because there weren't any at my high school.
Anyway, there's no reason in the world why Tony and Maria couldn't have eloped to a state where you could marry at 14. Too much willing suspension of disbelief is required. It was edgy in its time for bringing up racial tensions. The new version has good art direction. Not going near it until I get my booster,
The WSS movie is amusing because almost all of Jets are tres gay. David Winter. Eliot Feld. I'm sure some Sharks were, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||September 17, 2021 2:33 AM|
Maybe I’ll be wrong, but this seems like the right movie for now. With the sunset of the white American majority, there is a great deal of anger. Rage from the whites who feel they are losing power. Rage from everyone else who feels their growing power and their past grievances, but don’t know what to do with it. Maria and Tony are the attractive illusion that there is an easy way out of this conflict, if we only have love.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||September 17, 2021 2:39 AM|
[quote] Maria and Tony are the attractive illusion that there is an easy way out of this conflict, if we only have love
Do you think the hopeful spirit of Maria and Tony are embodied in Kamala and Joe?
|by Anonymous||reply 117||September 17, 2021 2:44 AM|
Agree with r110. I guess it's now wrongthink to approve of Natalie in WSS, but despite the dubbing, she's really quite good in the film, Maria has the strongest character arc in the story and Natalie throws herself into it, convincingly portraying a naive innocent at the start who matures into an embittered but still hopeful woman by the end, and that final speech is mesmerizing. It's easy to see why the ones two punch of WSS and Splendor in the Grass catapulted her into superstar status.
The trailer seems to imply that Maria is embittered from the start in the new film, which defeats the purpose and misses the point.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||September 17, 2021 2:47 AM|
R102 I guarantee that Spielberg paid half a million Sondheim for "goodwill" to present a positive light in these interviews.
Spielberg spent $100 million on his new product and Spielberg has announced previously that he allocates 33% of the budget on publicity and goodwill.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||September 17, 2021 2:55 AM|
Flop. No one will see this during Delta+
|by Anonymous||reply 120||September 17, 2021 2:57 AM|
In that trailer, I only had eyes for the Puerto Rican brother. Whoever he is, he's gorgeous!
|by Anonymous||reply 121||September 17, 2021 3:11 AM|
Say what you will about Woody Allen, he’s smart enough to budget for recasting. Although that would be a challenge in a musical. With a miscast lead. Who even straight guys like myself could see was a disaster. In a pointless remake. Other than that: Perfection!
|by Anonymous||reply 122||September 17, 2021 3:39 AM|
I can’t count how many times that I have watched the original film over the years, but I have no desire to see this.
The two leads are very attractive though, and appear to have chemistry.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||September 17, 2021 3:46 AM|
None of the leads are as attractive as Wood, Beymer, Chakiris. Tamblyn or Moreno.
Still I'm keeping an open mind and might see it. The worst thing about it could be Peck from the work of his that I've seen but he might pull it off.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||September 17, 2021 3:53 AM|
Now this trailer has some zip!
|by Anonymous||reply 125||September 17, 2021 3:54 AM|
Any fool would have to admit the new trailer doesn't hold a candle to the original film's trailer at r125! And they even featured singing....and dancing!!
|by Anonymous||reply 126||September 17, 2021 4:27 AM|
The end of the new trailer has that over-the-top music that Hollywood has put in every movie for the past several decades. I call it "soaring" music.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||September 17, 2021 4:44 AM|
Can't do worse than the movie musical version of Cats
|by Anonymous||reply 128||September 17, 2021 4:45 AM|
True R128, although in the new WSS we won’t be subjected to James Corden
|by Anonymous||reply 129||September 17, 2021 4:58 AM|
The opening and closing credits to the original WSS were masterful.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||September 17, 2021 4:59 AM|
[quote]Any fool would have to admit the new trailer doesn't hold a candle to the original film's trailer at [R125]!
It's a great trailer, but I hope we all realize that it's for some re-release, not from the time of the film's original release.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||September 17, 2021 5:15 AM|
Huh! Then I'd be very curious to see the original trailer.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||September 17, 2021 2:05 PM|
[quote] Anyway, there's no reason in the world why Tony and Maria couldn't have eloped to a state where you could marry at 14. Too much willing suspension of disbelief is required.
R115, that was what they were planning on doing, running away. That's what the song "Somewhere" was about. Maria was planning on meeting Tony at Doc's, but then Anita lied and told Doc and the Jets that Chino had killed Maria. And then Chino killed Tony.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||September 17, 2021 6:35 PM|
[quote]The WSS movie is amusing because almost all of Jets are tres gay. David Winter. Eliot Feld. I'm sure some Sharks were, too.
Richard Beymer and George Chakiris are both gay and still alive. Chakiris is out, I don't know about Beymer.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||September 17, 2021 7:03 PM|
R134 That's some old, unsubstantiated licking gossip
|by Anonymous||reply 135||September 17, 2021 10:59 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 136||September 18, 2021 2:41 AM|
Sorry, that was meant for the Evan Hansen thread
|by Anonymous||reply 137||September 18, 2021 2:43 AM|
I’m mostly worried that Ansel Elgort is going to sing with a black accent. Whenever I see him sing on YouTube, he sings with an affected black accent.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||September 19, 2021 8:10 AM|
R138 Ansel is a Wigga?
|by Anonymous||reply 139||September 19, 2021 8:26 AM|
Why can't we have a gay West Side Story? That would be so much more interesting and reflective of a couple who had real obstacles to overcome.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||September 19, 2021 3:33 PM|
[quote]Why can't we have a gay West Side Story? That would be so much more interesting and reflective of a couple who had real obstacles to overcome.
Because a white gay man on the UWS who turns his mouth and ass into a cum dumpster for Puerto Ricans is hardly interesting or unusual.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||September 19, 2021 9:21 PM|
New tv clip
It looks oddly overlit
|by Anonymous||reply 142||September 26, 2021 12:48 PM|
I had that same observation, r142, but, at least for me, upon repeat viewings, it becomes incidental because truly, there is a LOT going on that short clip.
I've read contradictory things : 1. that Spielberg and Kushner, as source material, are accessing the book and staging of the Broadway production, not the 1961 film, and 2. Spielberg himself said (paraphrasing) that what motivated him to do WWS is that he saw the film as a kid and he has always loved it and it made a deep impression on him.
Both , of course, can be true. Still, my own frame of reference is the film and defintely the look and feel of the trailers, so far, are vastly different from the film, as they should be.
It's still a bit unsettling, not in a bad way, just something for me to get used to.
WSS is my most anticipated movie of the year, hell, of the past five years. I'm truly excited to see this.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||September 26, 2021 1:28 PM|
[quote]I've read contradictory things : 1. that Spielberg and Kushner, as source material, are accessing the book and staging of the Broadway production, not the 1961 film, and 2. Spielberg himself said (paraphrasing) that what motivated him to do WWS is that he saw the film as a kid and he has always loved it and it made a deep impression on him.
A very large percentage of the dialogue in the stage version and the original movie version of WSS are the same, written by Arthur Laurents. Ernest Lehman did wrote some new lines, but the biggest changes he made were in changing the positioning of several of the songs and scenes. One of the most interesting things about the new WSS will be to see what song order they chose.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||September 26, 2021 2:36 PM|
Thank You, r144
|by Anonymous||reply 145||September 26, 2021 2:49 PM|
[quote] One of the most interesting things about the new WSS will be to see what song order they chose.
I hope "One Hand, One Heart" isn't cut.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||September 26, 2021 3:02 PM|
We didn’t need this.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||September 26, 2021 4:05 PM|
Well the men are included in America so that's taken from the '61 film and it will be interesting to see about the order of Cool and Krupke. The creators of WSS hated the movie yet it was the movie that made it an international smash hit. I think they wanted a small black and white On the Waterfront type of movie and instead hey got a movie practically on the scale of Around the World in Eighty Days.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||September 26, 2021 4:20 PM|
Billy Elliott (David Alvarez) has grown up into a hunk.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||September 26, 2021 4:30 PM|
There'sh a plashce for ush...shomehow...shomeday...shomewhere...
|by Anonymous||reply 150||September 28, 2021 4:48 AM|
I thought we voted the Liza jokes off the island
|by Anonymous||reply 151||September 28, 2021 6:37 AM|
Wesht Shide Shtory
|by Anonymous||reply 152||September 28, 2021 6:41 AM|
Don't forget bitches, I'm a consulting producer! Oh, and yeah, I'm an EGOT winner. I don't think anyone's heard that before. I'm the only latina to win a.......zzzzzz.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||October 2, 2021 7:00 AM|
So will Rita be nominated for an Oscar for her turn as Ned Glass?
|by Anonymous||reply 154||October 2, 2021 3:33 PM|
This is probably the last chance to see a musical that doesn't feature Beanie Feldstein, so we should enjoy it while we can.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||October 2, 2021 5:10 PM|
It's going to be HUGE hit.
Young girls are going to go crazy over it.
The doomed lovers thing is eternally appealing to that audience. This film will be as big as Titanic was, with girls going back to see it over again.
That's my prediction.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||October 2, 2021 5:56 PM|
R156...It may be a hit, but no one is going to go back and see it over and over. They will stream it over and over.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||October 2, 2021 6:30 PM|
[quote]It's going to be HUGE hit.
Yeah, all those teen boys can't wait to go see Rita Moreno in this.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||October 2, 2021 9:21 PM|
I can't wait to stream it!
|by Anonymous||reply 159||October 2, 2021 10:37 PM|
[quote]Yeah, all those teen boys can't wait to go see Rita Moreno in this.
Do you think they were waiting to see Gloria Stuart in Titanic?
|by Anonymous||reply 160||October 3, 2021 1:26 AM|
[quote] Do you think they were waiting to see Gloria Stuart in Titanic?
No, they were going to see Kate Winslet’s boobs and a ship sink.
Does the leading lady of the new WSS show her tits?
|by Anonymous||reply 161||October 3, 2021 2:41 AM|
The Whale of August I've been told was a great jack off movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||October 3, 2021 10:32 AM|
R9 There will be no Hollywood left if they do.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||October 3, 2021 10:45 AM|
Having watched the two trailers side by side, my biggest fear is the dancing. More Mandy Moore/La La Land pastiche than Jerome Robbins brilliance.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||October 3, 2021 11:08 AM|
I've noticed in the clips that Anita is wearing a very dark (maybe black?) dress for the Dance at the Gym Mambo but is wearing a bright yellow dress for America and, at ;last some of America, seems to be danced out on the streets in day light.
So, I'm wondering what all that is about.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||October 3, 2021 2:14 PM|
Justin Peck is a hack. And to put him in direct comparison with Robbins is insane. But young people the target audience wouldn't even know the difference. They'll think it's just as good if they saw both.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||October 3, 2021 2:34 PM|
[quote]Does the leading lady of the new WSS show her tits?
No, but Rita Moreno does.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||October 3, 2021 2:49 PM|
Wardrobe is having trouble finding her a bra, she used to be a 35 B but now she’s a 42 Long
|by Anonymous||reply 168||October 3, 2021 6:25 PM|
[quote]I've noticed in the clips that Anita is wearing a very dark (maybe black?) dress for the Dance at the Gym Mambo but is wearing a bright yellow dress for America and, at ;last some of America, seems to be danced out on the streets in day light.
Yeah, I really wonder how all of that is going to fit with the timeline of the story. Maybe Kushner has rewritten it so it takes place over several days or longer, rather than just 48 hours?
|by Anonymous||reply 169||October 4, 2021 1:29 AM|
Did Romeo and Juliet happen over 48 hours?
|by Anonymous||reply 170||October 4, 2021 1:33 AM|
I think it looks great..i love the music too
|by Anonymous||reply 171||October 4, 2021 1:37 AM|
i love the music too but Speilberg gives me the creeps.
The mambo is thrilling— especially in this live orchestral version which brings tears to my eyes.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||October 4, 2021 1:53 AM|
Romeo and Juliet takes place over five days, but that is because Juliet’s faked death and the aftermath adds on another 3 days. They meet on a Sunday night, Romeo kills Tybalt Monday afternoon, Juliet takes her fake poison on Tuesday.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||October 4, 2021 2:00 AM|
OMG R172...that has to be the HOTTEST looking orchestra on earth.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||October 4, 2021 2:05 AM|
[quote] the HOTTEST looking orchestra on earth
I usually object to noisy audience members at orchestral concerts but these Venezuelans are so joyously enthusiastic.
It's like Bernstein wrote their national anthem.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||October 4, 2021 2:18 AM|
I love that clip so much. And Dudamel is conducting the movie!
I really think that the music to WSS is going to make the difference between it and all the other disappointing movie musicals, especially internationally. It's not that people don't like musicals, they just don't like crappy ones with music you'd never want to listen to on its own.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||October 4, 2021 7:47 PM|
I hope this movie version restores the entire song "A Boy Like That/I Have A Love." One thing (among a number) that annoyed me about the 1961 version is how they much they cut that song. It's much longer and Maria and Anita are singing a fight in the play. The movie basically has Anita shrugging her shoulders after a few bars.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||October 5, 2021 7:08 PM|
I’m wondering if they’re going to change the TRANSPHOBIC lyrics in “Gee, Officer Krupke?”
“My sister wears a mustache, my brother wears a dress, goodness gracious, that’s why I’m a mess!”
|by Anonymous||reply 178||October 29, 2021 7:28 AM|
My brother wears a mustache, my sister wears a dress, goodness gracious, that's why I'm a mess.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||October 29, 2021 3:28 PM|
We haven't heard from Sondheim lately. I hope he hasn't gone into that period of of seclusion well known people often go into when they're extremely elderly and we hear nothing until their death.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||October 30, 2021 12:40 AM|
R180, I believe it was only a couple of months ago when Sondheim said he's working on a new musical with David Ives, although he didn't make it clear what the specific project is.
Do you expect daily or weekly updates from Sondheim?
|by Anonymous||reply 181||October 30, 2021 1:03 AM|
Well he was regularly interviewed and has opinions about many things in the theater that you would hear about. Also in that last TV interview with I believe it was Colbert he couldn't be shown entering and sitting down.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||October 30, 2021 1:16 AM|
Sondheim is VERY old and not in great health, R182, but I don't think there are any signs that he has gone into a "period of seclusion," which is what you asked about.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||October 30, 2021 1:20 AM|
He fell down go boom.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||October 30, 2021 7:30 AM|
I can't explain it. There's not a fucking thing about that dick bag that doesn't disgust me but i wanna put my face all over him.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||October 30, 2021 7:49 AM|
Well he's certainly not what one would call soigne'.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||October 30, 2021 8:20 AM|
[quote]The first scene with Maria and Anita is all about her having recently arrived and how over-protective Bernardo is to her.
Right. In fact, Maria says to Anita, "One month have I been in this country." Very specific.
Count R2 as another "know-it-all" who actually knows nothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||October 30, 2021 3:45 PM|
That photo of SS kind of looks like the monster in Lady Frankenstein.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||October 30, 2021 4:46 PM|
Ansel Elgort is yet another case of nepotism and connections. He's quite uninteresting as an actor and singer.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||October 30, 2021 7:46 PM|
I love the snotty spoiled cocky attitude even if it disgusts me. It gives off BDE.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||October 30, 2021 11:53 PM|
Spielberg had an extra year to get the perfect edit.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||November 2, 2021 1:47 AM|
Now with movies opening on 5000 screens, The original opened in New York on one screen as a 70MM Roadshow Engagement which is a Broadway schedule, one show a night at 8:30 and a matinee on Wed, Sat & Sun. Before the box office even opened they had sold over 100,000 tickets by mail order. Tickets were $3.00/$3.50 which is about $28.00 in today's money.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||November 2, 2021 1:59 AM|
[quote] The Sound Of Music remake MUST have at least two black Von Trapp kids
I'm up for it! The baroness needs a blackamoor hallstand.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||November 2, 2021 2:06 AM|
I seriously doubt the film of WSS sold 100k tickets at the Rivoli even before the film opened. Though successful the musical itself wasn't even a Broadway smash hit. The film was a smash hit.
And it had two afternoon performances on Sunday. The first at 1:30 and the second at 5.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||November 2, 2021 3:50 AM|
R193, LOVE the Darfur Orphan troll!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 195||November 2, 2021 4:43 AM|
A new teaser trailer just released shows Tony (Ansel Elgort) interactions with Maria and others. Previous trailers treated him as if he were an extra in the movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||November 19, 2021 9:04 PM|
[Quote] Has there ever been a more pointless remake?
Anne Haish in Shycho!
|by Anonymous||reply 197||November 19, 2021 9:31 PM|
I'm SO looking forward to this. I'll see this in a theater. I haven't been in a theater in a few years...lol. Need to see this on the big screen.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||November 19, 2021 9:52 PM|
Ansel doesn't have much presence so he blends into the background. His eyes are not expressive either. Besides Tony is a wet blanket. Anita and Bernardo steal the show in the 1961 version.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||November 20, 2021 12:14 AM|
At 2hrs &36mins it seems punishing esp since most people are overly familiar with the story and songs.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||November 20, 2021 7:15 AM|
200 replies and nobody yet mentioned about Elgort allegedly YUGE schlong?
|by Anonymous||reply 201||November 20, 2021 9:45 AM|
What r198 said.
But still, if that trailer is truly indicating the level of charisma of Elgort as Tony, well, not me, but most people complain about Richard Beymer lacking appeal.
Beymer seems downright exciting compared to Elgort.
I'll wait and see.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||November 20, 2021 11:15 AM|
I'm the only person I know who likes Beymer in the original. He and Wood make a great couple despite her antipathy towards him while making the film. It sure doesn't seem like it on screen. The idea of Beatty or Perkins in the role seems like a bad joke. Elgort is a frog in comparison to Beymer. Love at first sight? Ha!
I am curious about the film. I'll wait for the opinions of those who like the original. Maybe I'll go to jeer and stay to cheer.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||November 20, 2021 2:50 PM|
I'll probably like this film...like the original (love it). My only disappointment of WSS was the recent run on Broadway...with the big background screens, the avant garde version.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||November 20, 2021 3:24 PM|
I wish I was old enough (just a baby) at the time of the original Broadway play..to see it. It was on Broadway a few times, and would have liked to have seen it in the original version.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||November 20, 2021 3:27 PM|
[quote]I seriously doubt the film of WSS sold 100k tickets at the Rivoli even before the film opened. Though successful the musical itself wasn't even a Broadway smash hit. The film was a smash hit.
Why would you doubt it? The Rivoli was the only place to see the movie in the tri-state area. Long Islander's, people from New Jersey and Connecticut would have to go there to see it for at least a year. For "Funny Girl" mail orders began a year before the premiere and Columbia placed an ad in the NY Times and proclaiming 78 performances were already sold out while they were still filming. These movies were events and didn't get to the suburbs sometimes two years after opening in Times Square.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||November 20, 2021 5:27 PM|
[quote]At 2hrs &36mins it seems punishing esp since most people are overly familiar with the story and songs.
This is an incredibly stupid comment, almost as stupid as "I seriously doubt the film of WSS sold 100k tickets at the Rivoli even before the film opened."
|by Anonymous||reply 207||November 20, 2021 5:31 PM|
Some people don't seem to realize that WSS is a familiar story known to most and the trailer displays a dull, charisma-free lead who is not remotely believable as the former leader of a NY street and the entire trailer seems like everyone is just going through the familiar motions. We all know the plot and how it will end. It's even been parodied on SNL.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||November 20, 2021 11:01 PM|
West Side Story, 1961, was 2 hrs. and 33 minutes per IMDB. So the 2021 movie is 3 minutes longer.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||November 20, 2021 11:04 PM|
Because before the movie opened the show while successful was not a smash hit. I can't imagine it engendered the excitement the films of TSOM or South Pacific or My Fair Lady did. Even Rita Moreno said when she heard it was opening at the Rivoli as a roadshow she thought it was crazy. She said who would pay that kind of money to see this movie? Of course after it opened it was an immediate sell-out. In fact I'm surprised it got the 70mm 6 track treatment. Fortunately it did. The Music Man which really was a smash hit everywhere and won the Tony over WSS didn't get that deluxe treatment opening as a regular continuous run movie in 35MM and 4 track soundtrack..
Funny Girl was a smash Broadway musical and people who had watched Streisand on TV and collected her records were excited to see her in the movie of her great Broadway success.
And anyway I think a lot of that boasting before a movie even opened was just PR Ballyhoo.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||November 20, 2021 11:42 PM|
I am really looking forward to this. I have always loved the music, but did not like the movie. It had some wonderful moments, but overall it was blah. I could never put my finger on what it was that I didn't like....I think there were several things.
I wasn't interested in seeing the Broadway revival about 10 years ago, but right at the end of its run, I went with a very cheap ticket in a great orchestra seat. I was stunned at how much better that production was than the movie. The movie seemed sanitized and clunky compared to the stage production and its better everything. I hope this new movie will capture some of that from the stage version. I'm most worried about Ansel, who has never impressed me.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||November 21, 2021 12:18 AM|
R210 The Rivoli Theater had 2,092 seats and if WSS was shown twice daily that would be over 4,000 tickets daily and in a month that would be over 125,000 tickets. Not hard to believe that it had sold 100K tickets before it opened.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||November 21, 2021 12:23 AM|
Well maybe you're right. At this point who knows? I think if you read it somewhere somebody was inflating the numbers. And I think Ray Stark was inflating the numbers for Funny Girl as well. This was not unheard of. Film producers and theater owners of the period were hucksters known to lie in their ads and to Variety which pissed them off to no end. I do know the Rivoli did not have 2,000 seats. I was in it. It had about 1,600(the original seating was reduced when it converted to Todd AO.) And a road show film had a performance schedule like a Broadway show so most days it had one performance. WSS had 11 performances a week. I just don't see that people were clamoring for tickets before the reviews came out. By the way when 80 Days which was a huge success played the Rivoli Mike Todd would have them put up the Sold Out sign even if it wasn't to create more demand.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||November 21, 2021 1:09 AM|
Presented here to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the premiere of WEST SIDE STORY is a list of (most of) the classic, award-winning film’s North American reserved-seat “roadshow” engagements. These were the cities and theaters that exclusively played the film before it was given a general release. The majority of these roadshow engagements were presented in 70-millimeter and six-track stereophonic sound.
10.18.1961 … New York, NY — Rivoli (77 weeks)
11.01.1961 … Boston, MA — Gary (48 weeks)
11.07.1961 … Philadelphia, PA — Midtown (52 weeks)
11.14.1961 … Washington, DC — Uptown (42 weeks)
12.13.1961 … Los Angeles, CA — Chinese (58 weeks)
12.14.1961 … Miami Beach, FL — Sheridan (52 weeks)
12.14.1961 … San Francisco, CA — United Artists (46 weeks)
02.08.1962 … Pittsburgh, PA — Nixon (32 weeks)
02.13.1962 … Cleveland, OH — Ohio (19 weeks)
02.14.1962 … Baltimore, MD — Mayfair (17 weeks)
02.14.1962 … Detroit, MI — Madison (36 weeks)
02.14.1962 … San Diego, CA — Capri (36 weeks)
02.15.1962 … Dallas, TX — Esquire (20 weeks)
02.16.1962 … Minneapolis, MN — Mann (28 weeks)
02.19.1962 … Seattle, WA — Music Box (40 weeks)
02.20.1962 … Chicago, IL — Michael Todd (38 weeks)
02.22.1962 … Montreal, QC — Alouette (31 weeks)
03.01.1962 … St. Louis, MO — Mid-City (17 weeks)
03.14.1962 … Milwaukee, WI — Strand (31 weeks)
03.14.1962 … Portland, OR — Music Box (36 weeks)
03.15.1962 … Buffalo, NY — Teck (15 weeks)
03.21.1962 … Kansas City, MO — Plaza (13 weeks)
03.21.1962 … Salt Lake City, UT — South East (39 weeks)
03.21.1962 … Vancouver, BC — Stanley (29 weeks)
03.22.1962 … Cincinnati, OH — Valley (25 weeks)
03.28.1962 … Scottsdale, AZ — Kachina (15 weeks)
03.29.1962 … Atlanta, GA — Rhodes (23 weeks)
04.04.1962 … Albany, NY — Hellman (10 weeks)
04.04.1962 … New Orleans, LA — Civic (10 weeks)
04.04.1962 … Tampa, FL — Florida (11 weeks)
04.05.1962 … DeWitt, NY — Shoppingtown (16 weeks)
04.05.1962 … Rochester, NY — Riviera (26 weeks)
04.11.1962 … Des Moines, IA — Capri (? weeks)
04.11.1962 … Hartford, CT — Strand (21 weeks)
04.11.1962 … New Haven, CT — Whalley (26 weeks)
04.11.1962 … Omaha, NE — Admiral (15 weeks)
04.11.1962 … Providence, RI — Elmwood (15 weeks)
04.11.1962 … Toledo, OH — Esquire (10 weeks)
04.13.1962 … Asbury Park, NJ — St. James (? weeks)
04.13.1962 … Syosset, NY — Syosset (? weeks)
04.13.1962 … Upper Montclair, NJ — Bellevue (? weeks)
04.13.1962 … Youngstown, OH — State (10 weeks)
04.19.1962 … Oklahoma City, OK — State (13 weeks)
05.02.1962 … Denver, CO — Denham (28 weeks)
05.02.1962 … Tucson, AZ — Catalina (10 weeks)
05.17.1962 … Toronto, ON — Tivoli (31 weeks)
06.21.1962 … Columbus, OH — Cinestage (25 weeks)
06.27.1962 … Indianapolis, IN — Lyric (? weeks)
06.28.1962 … Dayton, OH — McCook (? weeks)
06.28.1962 … Nanuet, NY — Route 59 (? weeks)
|by Anonymous||reply 214||November 21, 2021 3:27 AM|
[quote]Some people don't seem to realize that WSS is a familiar story known to most.
I don't think anyone fails to realize this. What the hell are you talking about?
[quote]Before the movie opened the show while successful was not a smash hit.
This is true, but between the time when WSS opened on Broadway and the film was released, several of the songs had become hits through cover recordings, and also, the original cast recording sold very, very well. Apparently, all of that plus the presence in the female lead of rising star Natalie Wood was enough to engender great interest in the movie even before the reviews appeared.
[quote]I wasn't interested in seeing the Broadway revival about 10 years ago, but right at the end of its run, I went with a very cheap ticket in a great orchestra seat. I was stunned at how much better that production was than the movie. The movie seemed sanitized and clunky compared to the stage production
What are you, some sort of paid Arthur Laurents apologist? That production, though not as insane as the most recent Broadway revisal (whose closing was one of few silver linings of the pandemic), was hideously misdirected by Laurents, who had lost whatever minimal directorial talent he ever had years before.
[quote]I just don't see that people were clamoring for tickets before the reviews came out.
As someone else here has pointed out, 100K worth of ticket sales is not a very high number for a reserved-seat road show engagement of a film with a popular title that was being screened at only one large theater in the entire NYC metropolitan area. But if you want to keep repeating your doubts, go right ahead.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||November 21, 2021 3:44 AM|
It's not $100,000 worth of tickets we're discussing, it's 100,000 actual tickets
|by Anonymous||reply 216||November 21, 2021 4:14 AM|
R215 I was writing about the book, not the direction.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||November 21, 2021 4:15 AM|
[quote]It's not $100,000 worth of tickets we're discussing, it's 100,000 actual tickets
And again, I repeat, 100,000 tickets sold before the premier is not a huge amount for a movie with a very well known title, a rising movie star in the female lead, and a score that had already become well known through cover recordings playing a reserved seat engagement in ONLY ONE THEATER in the entire NYC metropolitan area.
[quote]I was writing about the book, not the direction.
Then you're very confused, as there were NO changes in the text of WEST SIDE STORY for that 2009 Broadway revival directed by Arthur Laurents -- unless you count the new Spanish lyrics that were written for some of the songs by Lin-Manuel Miranda, and even most of those were apparently thrown out as the run progressed. The only major changes for that show were in Laurents' idiotic redirection, like that moment when Maria practically pistol-whipped one of the boys in the final scene after Tony is shot. I guess you love that sort of thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||November 21, 2021 4:31 AM|
There is a question about the Rivoli's seat count in 1962. It opened in 1917 with 2000+ seats and when it closed as a twin in 1987 there were about 1600+ seats, but i don't know the exact number it had when Oklahoma! opened in 1955. But even at 1600 seats it wouldn't take long to sell 100,000 tickets...
Evenings 8:30 PM, Matinees Wed & Sun 2:30, Sat 2:00 & 5:15
Mon-Thur Eve…Orch & Loge $3.00 Balc $2.50 & $2.00
Fri,Sat,Sun & Hols… Orch & Loge $3.50 Balc $3.00 & $2.50
Sat,Sun & Hols Matinees…Orch & Loge $2.75 Balc $2.00 & $1.50
Wednesday Matinee…Orch & Loge $2.50 Balc $2.00 & $1.50
New Year’s Eve…$6.00, $5.00 & $4.00
|by Anonymous||reply 219||November 21, 2021 4:34 AM|
WSS screened at the Rivoli Theater in NYC for 77 weeks beginning October 18, 1961.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||November 21, 2021 5:48 AM|
Ansel needs to have his pants ripped off and made to show everything on screen to make up for his lack of talent
|by Anonymous||reply 221||November 21, 2021 12:45 PM|
The Rivoli was a great movie theater. Like many of the Times Square movie houses far superior to the Ziegfeld. It showed some of Hollywood's biggest films. It's pretty depressing to see there's nothing but a black skyscraper there now like it never existed when seeing a movie in the theater was a NY event.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||November 21, 2021 1:55 PM|
Subject at hand.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||November 21, 2021 2:02 PM|
As you can see the Broadway production opened one block north at the Winter Garden where Molly Brown is playing.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||November 21, 2021 2:37 PM|
They've just released another teaser trailer with a little bit more of the dance at the gym. Is the Tony vib good?
|by Anonymous||reply 225||November 22, 2021 4:22 AM|
I don't like the new accents in the beat behind "America." Makes the song sound too modern.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||November 22, 2021 2:43 PM|
In that realistic high school hallway they all look they are the teachers. The original sets by the brilliant Boris Leven and the costumes by the great Irene Sharaff in the dance at the gym were stylized to distract from everyone being too old.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||November 22, 2021 7:06 PM|
Not really, R227. Some of the sets in the original movie of WSS are stylized to one degree or another, but some of them are hyper-realistic -- including, of course, most of the location filming at the beginning. By your argument, having all those guys in their mid to late 20s in an actual NYC playground would have made them look too old as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||November 22, 2021 7:12 PM|
Well I agree but it works better in the stylized sets so you're really not thinking what are these adults doing at a high school dance.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||November 22, 2021 7:58 PM|
R229, I don't understand your point, because again, some of the sets in the original movie are stylized, but others -- including the set for the dance at the gym -- are not. At least, not until Tony and Maria first lock eyes and then dance together, talk, and kiss.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||November 22, 2021 9:07 PM|
[quote]I don't like the new accents in the beat behind "America." Makes the song sound too modern.
I agree. It sounds off.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||November 22, 2021 9:20 PM|
r230, I've always thought of the sets in the 1961 WSS as "hyper-realistic" -- that they resemble realistic settings, but that there's something just slightly off about them to enhance the romanticism of the piece.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||November 22, 2021 9:28 PM|
That dance at the gym set is very stylized R230 as are the costumes as evidenced in that photo of R232 so I'm afraid I don't understand you.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||November 22, 2021 9:53 PM|
I really love the "America" number in the 1961 version.....on top of the roof - at night......everyone still in their clothes from the dance....
I don't know how I feel about seeing it danced out in the street in the daytime - like a number from FAME.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||November 22, 2021 10:31 PM|
Not only that but late at night after spending the evening dancing full out at the gym they can do it all over again after they've returned home. Ah the energy youth.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||November 22, 2021 10:40 PM|
[quote]The Rivoli Theater had 2,092 seats and if WSS was shown twice daily that would be over 4,000 tickets daily and in a month that would be over 125,000 tickets. Not hard to believe that it had sold 100K tickets before it opened.
Yeah but this new one probably had eight minutes of credits.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||November 22, 2021 10:46 PM|
[quote]That dance at the gym set is very stylized [R230] as are the costumes as evidenced in that photo of [R232] so I'm afraid I don't understand you.
I would describe neither that set nor those costumes as "very stylized," so I guess you and I have very different ideas of what that phrase means. And even if that set and those costumes could be described as "stylized," my point was that at least some of the sets of the '61 movie are very realistic, obviously including the playground and most of the other location sites in the prologue.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||November 22, 2021 10:49 PM|
1961 WSS prices....Sat Night Orchestra & Loge $3.50, Lower Balcony $3.00 Upper Balcony $2.50
In today's dollars... 3.50 = $32.38, $3.00 = $27.75 & $2.50 = 23.13
|by Anonymous||reply 238||November 22, 2021 10:50 PM|
Yes we have very different ideas on what is stylized. I conceded to you already that there are scenes that take place on actual streets but the fact that you don't see the heightened set and costume stylization in the dance at the gym is a testament to their genius. The imagination and creativity that goes into such a scene while being able to blend it with the rest of the film without it sticking out like a sore thumb is astonishing. It is a visually a very theatrical sequence even outside of the dancing and before the meeting of Maria and Tony.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||November 22, 2021 11:04 PM|
[quote]Yes we have very different ideas on what is stylized. I conceded to you already that there are scenes that take place on actual streets but the fact that you don't see the heightened set and costume stylization in the dance at the gym is a testament to their genius. The imagination and creativity that goes into such a scene while being able to blend it with the rest of the film without it sticking out like a sore thumb is astonishing. It is a visually a very theatrical sequence even outside of the dancing and before the meeting of Maria and Tony.
I basically agree with all of that but I still wouldn't describe the sets and costumes in that scene as highly stylized. At most, maybe slightly stylized. The set looks a lot like those actual multi-purpose rooms in parish schools that are used both as gyms and auditoriums, kind of like the Gym at Judson in NYC and also a couple of places I've been in on the Lower East Side. And yes, there are actual basketball hoops visible in the scene. As for the costumes, I don't think what the cast is wearing looks markedly different from what young people would have actually worn to a dance in the late 1950s or early '60s. So we basically disagree on the degree of stylization, and it's fine to leave it at that.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||November 23, 2021 4:13 AM|
My nephew filmed a part in this movie. It’s been two and a half years. I can’t even remember if he’s a shark or a jet.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||November 23, 2021 4:22 AM|
It's cheered me up a lot to find I can see WSS from December 10, I assumed I'd have to wait till new year. Should be a great way to break my Covid cinema curfew.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||November 24, 2021 3:47 PM|
I think it looks pretty good. I'm seeing it.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||November 24, 2021 3:56 PM|
Everything has that blue CGI glow.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||November 24, 2021 3:59 PM|
I guess this movie will only work if there's a current to turn on.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||November 24, 2021 4:04 PM|
[quote]Everything has that blue CGI glow.
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||November 24, 2021 8:41 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 247||November 24, 2021 9:02 PM|
In the new clip at r247 , you can hear Ansel sing with Rachel at timemark 1:30. (You have to listen while Spielberg speaks over it.)
|by Anonymous||reply 248||November 24, 2021 9:16 PM|
Didn't i already see this movie?
|by Anonymous||reply 249||November 25, 2021 2:09 AM|
The singing sounds great and nicely recorded (unlike Les mis and some other newer musicals). Can’t wait!
|by Anonymous||reply 250||November 25, 2021 6:02 AM|
The 1961 West Side Story is one of my all time favorite films, I've seen it probably more than 20 times, will see it again on Sunday thanks to Fathom Events (my 4th time seeing it on the big screen), and I unapologetically love Natalie Wood in the film. It is, to me, one of the few damn near perfect films ever made.
I worry that we'll see a lot of dumping on Natalie for not being a Latina in the reviews and commentary on the new film, and that's frustrating. Despite Rita Moreno's grandstanding, there really wasn't an American female Hispanic movie star in 1961; the producers needed a name to sell the film -- unlike today, movie stars absolutely sold a movie to audiences back then -- so they did what they could; I hope people commenting on that recognize that it wasn't Natalie's fault, and assign any blame to the culture of the era rather that to Natalie.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||November 26, 2021 12:02 AM|
Rita has done nothing but blame Natalie. Marlon must have stood her up one night to be with Natalie.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||November 26, 2021 9:55 PM|
R251 you are right. Without Natalie Wood's star name, they probably would have had to fill the other roles with Hollywood types instead bringing out dancers from the OBC......
Elvis as Tony and Nick Adams as Bernardo.
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