MILKY LOADS says "I'm sorry for being a Republican asshole for the past 32 years!!"

His rant against "Woke" people at the end of the interview, tells me that he's probably a Datalounger.

I don't care

What a difference a few decades make, inside and outside!

He's old and no longer attractive so we don't care.

He was a big Ronald Reagan fan. His messaging for his new book is interesting, but his past defines him. Reagan was the foundation for much of the mess today.

"Out on a Limb."

Give me a damned break.

He was a HUGE Bush defender. He helped pushed the Republican agenda that made them what they are today.

Andrew Sullivan was part of the problem.

That's not going out on a limb. That's being an enabler.

What R6 said

GWB's push for an anti-gay marriage Amendment was the beginning of Milky Loads' change.

I could only stomach the first 6 minutes of that cringeworthy lovefest.

I fully expected Joe and Andrew to start jerking each other off.

Typical Repug in wolves clothing. All in with Regan and Bush and the Republicans until it affected him personally. Then all of a sudden it matters and people need to wake up. NO, "people" didn't need to wake up Mr. Milky Loads Sullivan, YOU needed to wake up about 30 years ago before you helped put all these people in power.

He's always changing his mind about the very positions he previously issued unequivocal, spittle-flecked, zero-sum tirades for. And then we're supposed to consider him reasonable and moderate! What about all of us who already had the opinions he finally came around to, after putting up with his wild accusations?

We've moved on to the younger and prettier reactionary anti-Woke asshole "thinker" Douglas Murray.

Sorry, Milkers.

He wants us all to forget how he pushed for the Iraq War. What an awful failure that was for the country. Thanks, Milky

R8, that’s true. Sullivan was a Bush fanboy, and an enthusiastic supporter of the war in Iraq. The minute Bush announced that he was in favor of an amendment banning same sex marriage, it was all over. Sullivan is a classic “conservative”: it’s all fun and games until HIS rights are affected.

[quote] I could only stomach the first 6 minutes of that cringeworthy lovefest.

Exactly, R9.

"Don't look at all the awful and horrible things I did and said over past 30 years! That was the old me. I'm different now."

Well fucking good for you, asshole.

But the damage is already done.

But is he still getting milky loads?

R16, most assuredly

[quote]But is he still getting milky loads?

At his age, mostly dribbles at this point.

Who reads the NY Times anymore? It's now a student paper.

At the 2:20 mark he says:

[quote] look at how (at least) earnest they are in correcting their own mistakes and subjecting themselves to a certain amount of humility in the face of extraordinary events that we cannot understand as they are happening and do our best to make sense of

That is BULLSHIT.

The majority of the gay community saw what was happening over the course of the past 40 years, and we were outraged! We knew exactly what was going on.

For whatever reason, Andrew Sullivan decided to side with Republicans in their madness. But when their madness led them to the inevitable path towards TRUMP, all of a sudden NOW he's sorry? NOW he's saying that he has been "humbled???"

ARrrrggghh!!!

He is no different than any other Republican who has recently deserted the Republican Party. People are calling them out for creating this monster, and they don't want to take either the responsibility or the blame for Trump.

No wonder Joe Scarborough is kissing Andrew Sullivan's ass. Joe did the same thing. He propped up Trump, until it became clear that Trump is a monster. Then all of a sudden, he acts like he had nothing to do with it.

I hope his book flops. Who would actually buy it in this day and age? The world has changed so much his opinions are irrelevant.

R18, in the ad in question I believe he was soliciting the "milky loads" of *others* for his "muscle glutes." It was on a site called Barebackcity.com.

Milky was a terrible person and remains a terrible person.

Denounce the GOP? Fine. Thank you.

Now go away. Mind your own business. Stay ouf of the media. Go get a real job.

DL 2009

[quote]No wonder Joe Scarborough is kissing Andrew Sullivan's ass. Joe did the same thing. He propped up Trump, until it became clear that Trump is a monster. Then all of a sudden, he acts like he had nothing to do with it.

Exactly. Joe Scarborough and his bimbo co-host now 3rd wife were all chummy with Trump and hanging at Mar-a-Lago before the friendship turned south. They ragged on Hillary non stop and put Trump on his show every night non-stop. Even though Mika was supposed to be the counterpoint as the shows Democrat. What a disgrace to her father. Milky Loads was the same way. All in with Conservative agenda until it affected him personally. Typical.

So all this time it should've been "milk loads" according to the ad.

[quote]killer muscle ass that loves to milk loads with my power glutes

Well, these little shits are stuck now. Usually you just disown the old president (W is RINO blah blah) and stay in the party. But NOOO we can't abandon fatty Trump.

Old white guy complains about old white guys being deprived of their rightful share of power and influence (i.e., all of it). Film at 11.

Rats don't get to be on the raft, you chose your sinking ship, asshole

When the UN published its report on war crimes committed during the 2009 conflict in Gaza, the Anglo-American mass media closed their eyes and pretended not to see anything wrong that had been done by their favorite side in that war, namely, Israel. Andrew was one of the few who changed his mind on the issue, ceasing to revere Israel and speaking in a more critical way, even denouncing the existence of an apartheid against the Palestinian people. That's why I can't hate Andrew as much as all of you here - there's a spark of intellectual honesty and moral clarity in his judgments, and that's more than I can say for the vast majority of political writers in the West.

Also, I see no difference between Andrew and the people of Datalounge when it comes to politics. Centrist, pro-capitalist, affectionate to certain figures in the Democratic Party establishment but hysterical against Bernie and his acolytes, skeptical of the trans movement and "wokeness" in general: what's the difference between him and all of you here? He just doesn't like the Clintons -- is that all that bothers you about him?

The monstrosity and embarrassment of the repub party...not mention dangerous now, has "turned" some repubs. These repubs are disassociating themselves from the party...the looney circus is too much. Deep down, their principles are the same.

"Is that all that bothers you about him?"

I'll put this so even a moron/simpleton like R31 can understand:

At the same time he was traipsing up and down Commercial Street in Ptown looking for raw dick to shoot cum up Andrew's phat, white, entitled ass, he was desperately trying to suck off GWB and the Republicans because they were right and everyone else was wrong about Iraq.

[quote]changed his mind on the issue, ceasing to revere Israel

There's your problem right there. You call it "intellectual honesty and moral clarity" when someone belatedly changes their mind on an outrage that's been going on for years?

Milky is very catholic too

Nobody wants to read your damn book. Try starting an OnlyFans.

Hi Andrew = R31

What's the difference? Well, no on on the DL has spent all of their time on national TV networks promoting the Conservative agenda as a gay man then turning when it doesn't work for him. Then he has an epiphany. Except we all ready knew what he just figured out. Secondly, on the DL you get called out for your bull shit. When has Milky Loads ever been called out face to face on TV by another openly gay progressive of the same age?

The age thing is important because we knew at the time what he was saying was bull shit. We knew Regan and Bush were anti-gay ass holes. He plays the media as if it Monday morning quarterbacking, but it's not. The vast majority of gays knew that and voted against that.

Sullivan gets to be bell of the ball when he is on TV as all the hosts kiss his ass to show how gay friendly they are.

[quote] He was a big Ronald Reagan fan.

So was Elizabeth Warren. I have yet hear her to denounce that stance.

Sullivan is a conservative. That is a legitimate position on numerous issues even though I don't agree with that for the most part. It is the right wing and extremists that are the real issue. Just like on the left it is the extremists and the "left wing" acolytes that are the problem on numerous issues.

We are a centrist nation. Which is how a Democracy usually survives and prospers.

Despite his Repthuglicanism he still makes a lot of sense on many issues in this cockamamie world we now live in.

I am always happy when someone sees the light.

Sullivan has been too vocal for too long and with such vitriol and contempt, he doesn’t get to just walk away from his legacy. Your “what about” Liz Warren is just more right wing, disingenuous spin.

A story in an increasingly irrelevant newspaper about an increasingly irrelevant journalist.

[quote]intellectual honesty and moral clarity

LOL. Intellectual honesty would be coming clean about your mistakes in a clear and HONEST way. Milky Loads just doges and makes excuses for his past mistakes in judgment and never really takes responsibility for them.

Moral clarity? Ha, Ha, that's a good one. Let us know when he actually dose something to make amends for helping to elevate the conservatives into modern day Deplorables. Writing a book to make more money is not making amends with all the bad politicians he help put into office.

Moral clarity would be announcing he will donate ALL of the proceeds of his book to a LGBTQ charity.

Maybe to the world at large, but on DL this matters. He’s been Uncle Tomming for the fascists for way too long for any self respecting gay man to view him as anything but traitor.

[quote]he still makes a lot of sense on many issues in this cockamamie world we now live in.

So Andrew's publicist is here now?

No Dear, he's a Grifter just like Trump trying to capitalize and PROFIT off the current sate of the union and the division between parties he helped to promote.

[quote]We are a centrist nation.

Sure, almost by definition, but the "center" as judged by officeholders and professional commentators is well to the right of the mainstream in this country, even of the majority. Sullivan is a centrist within the political establishment, but except for his support of gay marriage and legal pot (which are now supported by majority public opinion), his political views—especially economic—are to the right of public opinion.

[quote] I am always happy when someone sees the light.

Well, then give a little credit to Elizabeth Warren, who you claim hasn't publically disavowed her former conservatism—whereas she's explained in numerous publications and interviews exactly how and why her views changed, through her work on mortgage policy, while Milky just keeps making excuses for his Reaganite, Bushite past errors. And do give some credit to those of us who never bought into the conservative lies in the first place, and for good reason.

Two days ago he was saying, we need to learn to live with Covid. That it's no big deal and really just the flu

I wish this piece of shit would get Covid and die

Old Milky Loads needs to shut up and go away.

The grizzled hedgehog should be deported back to the UK and dumped in a pile of sheep shit in an abandoned farm in the West Midlands.

He was the inspiration for a [italic]Queer as Folk[/italic] episode about a moralizing gay conservative who got caught at a bareback orgy.

Inspiration? More like true story.

The OP is an anti-vaxxer who is the OP of this thread:

[quote]I'm going to say this only once... MY VACCINATION STATUS IS NONE OF YOUR GODDAMNED BUSINESS. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but where in the hell do people get off asking what's your vaccination status? And HIPAA Privacy Rules confirm that it's none of you damned business. So STOP fucking asking!!

This is all about money. I guess, the Mercers didn't return his calls.

"bell of the ball"

Oh, dear!

Where does he say that, OP?

Time to dust off that Melania border jacket...

[quote]MY VACCINATION STATUS IS NONE OF YOUR GODDAMNED BUSINESS.

Your right to swing your fist ends where my face begins. A corollary of this is that your right to harbor a potentially lethal virus ends the moment you enter a situation where you might spread it.

Hey everyone!

I was a liberal Democrat who supported progressive changes like no war and healthcare for the last 32 years! I sent $ to little-known candidates, voted, canvassed and made phone calls for them too!

Do I get anything?

Actually, a more accurate jacket quote would be "I really need to get fucked"

The Iraq War was nearly 20 years ago, yet to hear people on this thread, it’s still 2004. Situations and people change. It’s time to get over it.

[quote] Actually, a more accurate jacket quote would be "I really need to get fucked"

His prolapsed anus might be wider than the Holland Tunnel at this point. Would he even notice being fucked?

Sullivan thinks he's unique but the entire elite media is run by men and women just like him. Inevitably well connected and always Ivy League educated. They profess to be liberal until a politician actually attempts to enact progressive policy. Then they're shitting out articles all over new republic, the Atlantic, Washington Post and New York Times sneering and hissing about how it will simply NEVER work. And that liberals need to start cooperating more with those poor beleaguered conservatives, blah blah blah. What's amazing about these professional " great minds" is that they can be wrong again and again about everything under the sun and still be booked weekly to share their " expertise" on C SPAN and CNN.

There’s a difference between a liberal and a progressive. Many progressives are profoundly illiberal.

r58 And the same Dataloungers who use the Iraq War to spit poison at Andrew turned into fanatical Clintonists in 2016. If you speak ill of any Democrats who supported the Iraq War, like Joe Biden, you are in serious danger of earning a red tag and getting banned from this site. Why are certain things forgivable when done John Doe but not by Joe Sixpack? Does anyone here really believe that Andrew has more influence over America's history than, say, Biden or Hillary?

It's as Schopenhauer said: reasons are nothing more than excuses - they are disguises under which blind will hides. Datalounge wants to hate Andrew: the reasons for this are not important or even coherent; they are just an excuse to cover that hatred under the blanket of rationality and principle.

Descendants of slaves are not going to just get over slavery, Jews are not just going to get over the Holocaust and we are not going to just throw our hands in the air and say bygones to the GOP war criminals and the insurrectionists they’re rhetoric spawned. Especially while those responsible still walk freely on this Earth, enjoying their privilege and ill gotten gains.

We know exactly why we hate Sullivan and he knows exactly why we hate him. So save your intellectual masturbation for someone worth defending.

Sullivan has never denounced the war as a mistake. Your false equivalencies are exactly that FALSE.

I've always made an effort to ignore this guy. Does he live in DC? Does he go to clubs/bars? I haven't been to such places in about 15 years. Not missing a thing!

Oh, that is so definitely Milky at R62. You can only quote Schopenhauer so many times, Andrew, before it becomes diagnostic. And the hyperbolic false equivalency you open with clinches it. How are the muscle glutes doing?

I had thought that a lot more Republicans would have distanced themselves from Trump after he lost the election. I'm pretty shocked that most of them are still clinging to that sunken ship.

Comparatively, Milky is the brave non-conformist going against his tribe members. What a world, what a world, what a world.

r67 Datalounge gets so paranoid when dealing with someone with different opinions on politics. But it's better to be called Andrew Sullivan than Boris or whatever! Anyway, I'm a Millennial from South America. And I've never barebacked -- though I'd change that if I met someone who I knew was safe!

[quote] Your “what about” Liz Warren is just more right wing, disingenuous spin.

I have never heard a right winger talk about this. But then maybe you listen to those people more than I do. I have never heard Warren explain satisfactorily how in her fucking 40s she still supported Ronald Reagan - TWICE - and his basic principles. She wasn't supposed to be stupid - she was a lawyer. The fact that she was too stupid to see what he & his principles represented to everyday people at the time and that she ever supported his "ideals" on the economy still troubles me. It says something about her as a person. I personally don't think she ever "saw the light" - I think she saw the expediency of adopting a different path to a political career. Maybe the same reason she so eagerly wanted a trendy pedo-friendly Brit on her campaign team.

R69.

R63 is nuts.

I wasn’t going to buy his book, but I finally did, because I decided it was important to me to read commentary by someone who has been an important voice on gay issues, even though I loathe him—somehow, just reading essays by people whose opinions align with my own feels too easy. But I well understand those who see buying his book is aiding and abetting the enemy—maybe borrowing from the library is a solution?

If his BDSM sling could talk!

It’s too ashamed of Sullivan’s intellectual dishonesty to go out in public.

Stealth Deplorable Troll post at R73.

If Andrew Sullivan officially joined the Democratic Party, would y'all actually hate him any less? Or would you just savage him for contributing to the almost-inevitable rightward drift of the DP if the RP's takeover by Trump triggers a large exodus of non-Deplorables from the RP, and lots of them eventually end up joining (or at least, cooperating with) the DP?

Seriously, all of y'all who are busy celebrating the Republican Party's self-destruction don't seem to grasp that Lincoln Republicans have almost no real ideological differences with Enterprise Democrats... and the EDs would dearly LOVE to get the LRs on their side so they can kick those uppity, embarrassing Progressives (like AOC) to the curb.

Right now, Enterprise Democrats only humor the Progressives because party loyalty forces LRs to cooperate with Trumpians & automatically oppose everything the Enterprise Democrats propose... so they NEED Progressive support to get anything done. Don't think for a MINUTE that Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest won't welcome Romney, Collins, Murkowski, Kinziger, or even Marco Rubio & Dan Crenshaw, with open arms when/if they decide to cross the aisle someday. And when it happens, the Progressive Left AND Trumpian Right will be mostly powerless to oppose the new, more-right Democrats for years. At least, until the Progressives & Trumpians form an unholy alliance to just paralyze the government (if the New Democrats ever fall below 50% in the House, and 60% in the Senate) by voting against EVERYTHING in a big, nihilistic political orgy.

Anderson Cooper wasted airtime felching MAGA talking points out of Andrew's asshole today.

For every exceptional gay man, there's two of these coddled fuckwits.

How much you want to bet he’s mostly behind the racist and anti-trans troll posts?

Lincoln Republicans? You couldn’t find enough “Lincoln Republicans” to catch Delta COVID-19. What a fool.

He was DC-based for a long time, R66, but moved to NYC a couple of years ago for his husband's career.

[quote] I have never heard Warren explain satisfactorily how in her fucking 40s she still supported Ronald Reagan - TWICE

So did most of the country - TWICE - almost every single state, including New York and California. Including the majority of people in "their 40's".

"If Andrew Sullivan officially joined the Democratic Party, would y'all actually hate him any less? "

NO. Damage is done. He carried the water for Republicans time and time again - he knew what he was doing.

Same thing with Mehlman. I'm sorry that he's sorry for demonizing gays and making gay marriage a wedge issue in the 2004 election.

Not forgiven. Their support have harmed people in real ways for decades. No amount of apology is enough. They're vile and nasty creatures who only cared for themselves - let them be by themselves then.

Is he still sticking to the story that he got HIV from like drinking out of the cup as somebody?

Didn't he write some essay about how he hated NY and wanted to leave it to return to horrid DC or something like that? Nyc may not be in its prime but I can't trust anyone who would prefer DC to New York.

R70 - she was in her 30's during the 80's and she said she was previously a conservative.

It was her work with bankruptcy legislation in the mid-90's that turned her perspective. She readily admits she went into bankruptcy policy thinking that most people were irresponsible and overspent. The reality was the vast majority of those in bankruptcy were there due to medical bills. It totally changed her thinking on many issues.

Voting for Reagan twice is not comparable to what Sullivan has done for decades.

Maybe he likes NY now that most of the poors have been driven out. And it's closer to P-Town.

"Didn't he write some essay about how he hated NY and wanted to leave it to return to horrid DC or something like that?"

yes

R76. Nope, not even close—have voted Democrat 100% of the time since I was first eligible to vote in 1976 (yes, I’m old), did AIDS work in the 80s and 90s (and found Sullivan’s essay on “The End of AIDS” offensive and irresponsible), and have been one of the only out gay men on the faculty of the college where I taught for 30 years. I dislike Sullivan, but he has been a major figure in gay letters. I want to read the book to see whether there is consistency to his thought, any growth or development, etc. you don’t have to read him—but dismissing me as a Deplorable for choosing to says more about your anti-intellectualism than about my character. I may come to the end of the book and decide it was a waste of time and money—that’s okay with me too.

He uses polysyllabic words like 'vitiate' in a normal sentence. Therefore Dataloungers don't like him.

R89 - buy a used copy then. Everyone knows there hasn't been consistency with his thoughts - he has been a paid contrarian and reveled in it even when he knew what he was saying was bullshit.

I can't imagine putting a dollar into this man's pocket.

I disagree that Andrew Sullivan has been a major figure in gay letters. He's written a lot about a lot of things, and gotten most of it wrong. He's a product of his time whom it will be easy to ignore as time goes on. It's like saying Katie Roiphe or Naomi Wolf were major figures in feminist letters: they made a splash (and then disappeared into crazyville). Sullivan stands out in his religious argument for same-sex marriage, for those who want that argument.

I can agree that his figure is major.

But his letters…?. He is no Leni Riefenstahl.

r80, I used the term "Lincoln Republicans" for lack of a better concise name. The schism within the Republican Party is absolutely real & growing daily.

It's existed for years, but I think Trump will be the final tipping point that gets them to finally realize that mainstream Democrats AREN'T the loony left-wing extremists they've always thought they were, and are frankly more like them than the freak show now running the Republican Party.

In a sense, Sullivan's shifting and evolving ideology is like that of MANY life-long Republicans. It's a multi-year process with multiple tipping points:

* The point when you start to increasingly disagree with your friends' views

* The point when you concede to yourself that the other party isn't completely fucked, and occasionally is right.

* The point where you vote for your first Democrat, because you just can't stand his or her Republican opponent (in my case, I voted for Alex Penelas for Dade County mayor)

* The point where you mostly vote for Democrats, but still support a few Republicans (in my case, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen)

* The point where you're genuinely horrified by the prospect of any Republican winning (for me, 2016), but still a nominal Republican because you don't want to take shit over it from family members... so instead, you just "go stealth" and quietly sow seeds of doubt among Republican friends & family members by pointing out blatant falsehoods & logical fallacies.

Technically, I *tried* to switch my party affiliation from "Republican" to "Florida Pirate Party" in 2016 as a protest against Trump (without risking getting disowned by my parents), but unfortunately, the FPP let its registration lapse after 2014. Sigh.

His apology fails to demonstrate true contrition because he:

1. Does not take full responsibility for what he did. It's couched in a bunch of excuses and justifications, abdicating true culpability for his actions - ALL of his actions.

2. Does not articulate precisely the harm he caused and the impact of his actions on other people beyond a generic negative impact.

3. Fails to articulate how he will make amends in precise and clear actions. Talk and words are cheap. What is he actually going to DO to make amends to all the people he harmed.

He's garbage - he's actually worse than Ken Mehlman. He's on par Thiel in asshattery.

He's expressed disappointment with P Town, R87.

[quote] fails to demonstrate true contrition

R96 You sound like Madam Defarge.

A few beheadings would go along way in separating Americans from the Putin opportunists.

Why is he in America? Why are there over 700K Brits in our country? The thing I don't like about foreigners coming to America and messing with our politics. Is when they vote Republican, their helping to destroy progress so many different groups have fought for for decades and they come right in and help to destroy thing's that don't effect them.

Fuck this white bitch.

He needs to be deported right back to the UK.

Many have and many more will be paid to in the future.

Ah, missed that, R97. I guess I missed my one chance to have sex with him there back in '95.

r100, he's a US citizen now, and has been for many years, so the only country to which he CAN be legally deported IS the US.

Lots of Britons with similar ideology emigrated to the US in the 80s and 90s, especially after mainstream British Conservatives effectively repudiated Thatcherism. Frankly, a Reagan-inspired Thatcherite in 1990s Britain had no political future there, and they knew it... so they emigrated to the US, where such views weren't merely tolerated, but were in fact mainstream & overwhelmingly dominant.

[quote] Fuck this white bitch.

Yes, R100, we want black bitches.

R104 Fuck the Brits. This Andrew asshole has zero respect for American history and the people who have suffered in this country. All he wants is his shitty conservative policies no matter who it hurts.

Specifically speaking, I hate the Brits and the Aussies coming to America. They're trash and drinks and I hate the accents too. It's just like Christopher hitchens who came here and set up shop in DC. At least he had the decency to be left leaning in his politics and understood American history and respected it and the people who built this country.

I just really hate the ones who come here and vote Republican and become right wing assholes and cause more racial and political problems in America. Like that Steve Hilton asshole over on fox news and this other Australian asshole whose also big time right winger. They just come here and add to the fucking problems. Fuck them, and I hope their damn heads blow up while they're walking down the fucking street.

Fuck all right wing British and Australian assholes who immigrate to America and add to the problems. I genuinely hate them.

Fuck them!

He isn't a very good writer. He was a terrible editor. You could see how the writing, politics aside, declined at The New Republic. We can thank the detestable Michael Kinsley, along with Martin Peretz, for first inflicting him on us.

Piers Morgan had the decency to leave. Probably the only decent thing he has ever done.

His career, similar to that stick insect Coulter, was based on disseminating bullshit. It’s no longer working for him, so he’s trying a different angle. Sorry Mr. M.L. , ain’t nobody buying. Move it along, the goods look used.

No, Morgan's show had terrible ratings and CNN dumb his ugly inbred British ass.

I wish they, the Brits and Aussies would stay away from America. There's even a Brit running coca cola in Atlanta. How the fuck did a brit get to be the head of one of America's biggest product brands? Whatever happened to America first?

Is there not enough opportunities in the UK for them? The same with Australians? Everyone comes to America and bring their accents too. I'm sick of it.

R107 Charles Lane was even worse. Horrible right wing hack who writes like a senior in high school who belongs to the Young Republicans Club. Now Lane is at the Washington Post and he's stunk up the Washington Post op ed pages with his dim witted ramblings for years. Michael Kelly was another awful right wing asshole who wrote for the New Republic. He wrote a truly vile article trashing Al Gore for opposing the invasion of Iraq back in 2002.They apparently have no standards for the writers except that they hold a harvard degree. And I guess buddying up to the editors is important too.

Russian trolls are very active on this thread - ignore the BS.

Sullivan truly wrecked The New Republic. Lane and Kelly had other problems, but Sullivan's destruction of the magazine was clearly the beginning of the end.

Oh fuck off, R112. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a Russian troll. Grow up.

YOU FUCK OFF

R114.

Russian troll, corrupt Republican sociopath. Tomato, toMAHto.

[quote] Christopher hitchens ...had the decency to be left leaning in his politics

Hitchens declared Goddess Michelle Mrs. Obama’s 1985 thesis to be "hard to read because It isn’t written in any known language."

r106, the irony of your statement is, Republican-admiring Britons were PRECISELY the immigrants who perfectly fit into white middle-class American society.

Imaging a grumpy, bitter Labour-supporting Briton who decided to emigrate to the US after Tony Blair "sold out Labour's ideals". Had they been honest about their ideology, they wouldn't have been allowed into the US as TOURISTS (for being dangerously borderline-Communist), let alone made it past their first immigration interview.

Circa 1995, a Reagan/Thatcher-admiring Briton with a college degree and a few thousand dollars in savings would have been practically rubber-stamped "approved".

[quote] How the fuck did a brit get to be the head of one of America's biggest product brands? Whatever happened to America first?

America has become weak, R110. We need to make America great again.

I clearly remember in 1996 watching a young Milky Loads getting plowed by guy after guy in the back room at Glorious Health Amusements on O St SE. DC gays have always known what a pompous self-important queen he was.

R118 R119 R120

She on the udder side o'ugly.

[quote] watching a young Milky Loads getting plowed

R121 How long did you watch for? Did he reject your penis?

He's one of those middle brow adventurists who came to mine the right wing or contrarian niche in the US market. Like Niall, Dinesh and that fellow who slammed Mother Teresa - and then he died.

R121 Did you see the white sperm?

Were you on the ground getting sprayed with those spermy loads?

R124

R126

[quote] Hitchens declared Goddess Michelle Mrs. Obama’s 1985 thesis to be "hard to read because It isn’t written in any known language."

I remember reading it at the time it was in the news and it was not scholarly and was poorly written. She was right when she said she would never have gotten into Harvard Law under an affirmative action program. IIRC her proposed topic was rejected as just anecdotal - and indeed that's all it was - a bunch of students talking about how they were treated because they were a minority. When the university first rejected it she accused them of racism and they backed down and let her do it.

None of this is a proper application of affirmative action btw.

[quote] I just really hate the ones who come here and vote Republican and become right wing assholes and cause more racial and political problems in America. Like that Steve Hilton asshole over on fox news and this other Australian asshole whose also big time right winger. They just come here and add to the fucking problems. Fuck them, and I hope their damn heads blow up while they're walking down the fucking street.

Don't forget Rupert fucking Murdoch.

He's the goddamned DEVIL!

Australia should be NUKED for sending that pile of dog shit to our country.

Every knows he has a blown out asshole

Andrew is a shameless, opportunistic social climber. I know that type, and I refuse to play their game and get played by them. And, still playing that game at his age? Gurl, who does he think he is, Andy Cohen?

[quote] I had thought that a lot more Republicans would have distanced themselves from Trump after he lost the election. I'm pretty shocked that most of them are still clinging to that sunken ship.

The Drudge Report openly opposed him even before the election. He knew where the wind was blowing and was trolling Trump and his Deplorable base.

Sullivan just tries to be smart about it. Of course, us Liberals are on to him.

[quote] Andrew is a shameless, opportunistic social climber.

But has he succeeded? Who's in his Instagram account? He is married but is he partying on the side?

Does he hang out with rich Andy and patrician Anderson?

Spill!

He's a designated gay voice for straight ears, so our opinions don't count.

Don't engage, don't reason, and most importantly don't fuck him.

It's Dangerous Liaisons time and this walking thumb is Glenn Close. Hsssssss.

[quote] He's a designated gay voice for straight ears, so our opinions don't count.

I always counter that with Joe Rogan speaking for all straight people. That look on people's faces is pretty hilarious.

Hot mess.

[quote] He's a designated gay voice for straight ears, so our opinions don't count. Don't engage, don't reason, and most importantly don't fuck him.

And don't start two threads about him in two days here on Datalounge

All the time and energy he has devoted for decades bolstering the deplorables and he comes up with this flaccid explanation this late in the destruction. He might as well join Aaron Schock on his “rainbow tours.”

Elitist decries “white liberal elites”. GTFO.

His whole schtick now is “I’m not politically correct and neither is Bari Weiss. Read our inane, navel-gazing substack rantings! We finally concede that climate change is real. But also black people have smaller brains than white people, it’s just science.”

Like any of you wouldn't have eagerly given him your own milky load if he still looked like this, ideology notwithstanding... he was a hot twink with facial hair ~20 years before it was officially a concept or had a name.

Even now, with an hour or two of primping & a good dye job, he's a totally fuckable bear who could easily score a threesome or fourgy with his husband any Wed-Sat night at a bar in Wilton Manors (or Sun-Tue at a gay resort or on Scruff).

A 4 in his prime elevated to a 6 by "Are You Being Served" fans...

"A purse fell out of his mouth every time he spoke, but it was a fancy, Klassy purse."

Milky Loads represents that dreadful Log Cabin part of the Gay Community I am deeply ashamed of. Seriously, I have more respect for Treasure Islands Studio porn performers, who are high on meth, than Log Cabin Republicans. Those are the guys I'd drop in a heart beat if it were up to me. They can identify and stick with the Republicans for all matters of life, including their sexual identity.

What are you: Gay, straight, or bi?

No, I'm Republican.

Andrew Sullivan is Catholic.

Enough said.

[quote] MILKY LOADS says "I'm sorry for being a Republican asshole for the past 32 years!!"

Where? Where dos he say that?

[Quote] Gurl, who does he think he is, Andy Cohen?

ExSQUEEZE me??

Shirley MacLaine wants to know why you stole the name of her autobiography.

I see Milky Loads has joined us, at R140!

Welcome, Milky!

I saw Andrew Sullivan at P'town back in '02.

And he sneered at me!

I don't see why expects us to care when he aged so badly.

R140 he has a husband??

His husband is very tall, bearded and angular looking.

But, most important, who nominated this bitch to speak for us?

He is a piece of shit desperately begging for the approval of oligarchs.

[quote] I don't see why he expects us to care when he aged so badly.

That's right, R149, we want this bitch to speak for us!

An Andrew Sullivan thread and a Danny Pintauro thread. I feel like I should wear a condom every time I read DL.

At R129 I meant to say she was right when she said she would NOT have gotten into Harvard but for affirmative action.

R156 So I guess poor Michelle paid for a team of ghost-writers, ghost-editors, ghost-pychologists and special photographers for this 448-page tome as well as all its permutations

[quote] Don't engage, don't reason, and most importantly don't fuck him.

If I didn't fuck him when he looked like the pic at R3, I'm certainly not going to when he looks like the one at R1—a fortiori (to recur to Andrew's favorite field of philosophy). Sorry, R140!

[quote] a fortiori

We don't know what that means.

I can smell his bad breath from here.

Not R1, I meant the photo in OP's link.

He should have simply died. Years ago.

Too little WAY too late. Fuck him.

But not literally, right, R163?

I'll never understand the gay Catholic thing.

R164 Yeah, scratch that.

He still supports that racist Bell Curve BS about genetic superiority.

[quote] He still supports that racist Bell Curve BS about genetic superiority.

Where does he say that?

Is it in here?

R130 R137 R140 R143 R144 R147 R148 R151 R152 R153 R154 R155 R157 R159 R168

Hell never stop being a butthead. Hell always be a conservative gay Catholic because that’s his schtick. He dislikes Trump & Trumpism, but that’s it. He helped commit war crimes.

He was still having friendly discussions with Charles Murray about intelligence and IQ and race in May 2021 on his Twitter feed. I will not link to it here as to not promote. I'm far from woke, am a moderate Democrat, and think the progressive side is doing much harm to the Democratic Party, but won't stand for Sullivan's old timey racism.

Ben Smith of the NYT also gave Sullivan the chance to say he had changed his views on the Bell Curve idiocy, and Sullivan stuck with his past ideas instead.

I remember reading an article about him in 1993. I was young and the pre-historic version of “woke”. Lol! Anyway, at that time I was learning about Log Cabin, gay Republicans, etc. So disappointing to hear him go back on all that now. Money is God then.

I’d fuck him. He’s kind of cute in a hobbit sort of a way.

Is he still married? I thought they broke up

In a crossover with our covid threads, apparently Milky Loads also went on the Anderson Cooper show to say that we shouldn't worry about kids getting covid—it's no worse than a cold for them. I didn't see it so maybe I'm misquoting, but it sounds like Milky's living in the same dream world where he got HIV from a mosquito bite or whatever it was.

I'm tired of him taking credit for gay marriage - I was THE FIRST! Bullshit.

Send him back to the UK. He'll fit right in there. And now, post Brexit, no one in Europe is likely to object.

Offload him.

[quote] He helped commit war crimes.

I can’t take anyone who says shit like this seriously. There is a specific definition of “war crime,” and no part of the definition includes “anyone who voices support of any kind of military action.”

[quote] He still supports that racist Bell Curve BS about genetic superiority.

Maybe Milky Loads IS a Datalounger after all!

So of all of these 'selected' essays - how many did he get wrong and how many did he get right?

I would have to think he preselected a handful where he was wrong and loaded the rest with what he got right, albeit twisted around and out of context.

He still supports the Bell Curve bullshit, supports the Catholic church, and really wishes he could support conservatives, but they've just made it bad business now to be on that side.

What I really WOULD like to see is a scorecard for all of these pundits on both sides - how often were they right? How often were they wrong? You should have a score before you go on television - many of these people have a 95% wrong score, yet they're still there polluting the airwaves.

The media is reprehensible in making these people stars and noteworthy. Including Sullivan.

And notice how often he says 'we' in his interview - 'we didn't listen', 'we need to..." - who the fuck is he talking about? He's talking about CONSERVATIVES.

He really should just say 'I' - but no, he has to share the blame around. There was plenty of information around at each of his writings for him to have a differing opinion and 'get it right'.

God I hate this man.

He has the face of a wizened desert tortoise.

[bold]NO[/bold] health care reform for us! But, no-fee NHS available for him at the cost of a plane ticket.

[quote] The media is reprehensible in making these people stars and noteworthy. Including Sullivan.

Don't support media that gets it wrong in your eyes. And don't give it any power over your own perception.

Andrew Sullivan is insignificant. Any media that paints Andrew Sullivan as a reasonable and important voice of the Gay Community is insignificant.

R184 - well, almost all channels are guilty of this. I'm not going to go down the Trumpism of 'don't trust the mainstream media' bullshit.

I'm just saying they have the same talking heads on all the time - because they always make themselves available. But there is little fact checking and they just let them say whatever shit they want - and there's no scorecard on the bullshit.

If I made the rules, you're allowed to go on TV and say factually wrong things THREE times and then that's it. You're off TV. That would make people a lot more careful about their choice of words. Or, when you go on TV, it has to say how often your opinions have been wrong.

There's a limit in how much opinion-based reporting we need.

One of the reasons he left New York Magazine didn't have anything to do with "wokeness." It's that his columns were so shoddily written and so stuffed with lies and made-up bullshit, that the editorial staff got tired of re-writing everything he submitted. It was especially galling since he was a star there and made 2-3x what everyone else made.

You see, Andrew comes from the proud English journalism tradition of "making shit up." Most English newspapers flat-out lie all the time. Boris Johnson made his bones as a reporter in Brussels, making up total lies about what the EU was doing and sold it to an eager right-wing public in the UK who wanted to believe that Brussels was this hive of snooty, out-of-touch Eurocrats spending their good honest money on nonsense. Even if it wasn't true.

Andrew does the same fucking thing. And if he's ever ever EVER challenged, he rains down a blizzard of nonsense and spittle-flecked rage on anyone who dares challenge him, that only the most pissy-minded even want to bother with this tiresome Hobbit queen.

His mussy is all used up and not even Republicans will fuck him now.

The only surprise is that he hasn't snagged a job with the Washington Post. They usually love supposed intellectuals who spout right wing nonsense. They even hired Megan Mccains fascist husband before firing him after an outcry over plagiarism.

r180, the problem with a "scorecard" is, it assumes people's ideologies DON'T evolve over time, and that there's no such thing as public hypocrisy.

Hell, just look at someone like Al Sharpton. 25 years ago, he was a rabble-rousing left-wing extremist. Now, he's practically a moderate-Democrat elder statesman who sounds like the voice of wisdom, sanity & reason (esp. compared to both Progressives and Trumpians).

Or, look at George Bush (II). Circa 2004, he was a foaming-at-the-mouth right-wing extremist. Now, he's arguably a half-degree to the left of Sinema & Manchin. People would be shocked if he switched parties at this point, but ideologically, it really wouldn't be much of a leap.

Oh I dunno. It's not about ideology, it's about judgement. Sullivan recklessly predicted all sorts of things when the Iraq War started and joined in (and led) a kind of lynch mob against anyone who disagreed with him. Events proved him to be completely wrong, about that and about a LOT of other things over the years.

Why should we listen to this hysteric? Look how bad his judgement is.

I used to see him at after hours sex clubs in NYC. Loves dick up his ass—a very seasoned bottom

R189 I'm not r180 but the primary issue a lot of people have with our self important chattering classes is that many of them have a long history of being wrong about, well, everything . Just to name a few examples , the media insisted in 2000 that Al Gore was a lying phony And Bush was a downhome good old boy who understood real Americans . Before that They claimed that Bill Clinton's blow job was a crisis of national importance. They advocated for the Iraq war a few years later. They laughed and jeered at Occupy Wall Street in 2008. They insisted that Howard Dean was a freak unfit for office because he let out an enthusiastic yelp . They said that Hilarys e mails were deeply concerning . in 2016. They treated Trump as a rather amusing court jester until he wasn't. As recently as a couple of years ago one of the main op ed writers at the Washington post Richard Cohen was sneering at the idea of a minimum wage for waiters because " sometimes I like to punish" servers (I'm not making this up). I could go on but I won't bore you.And yet they secure not only pundit jobs but jobs at prestige outlets such as the NYT, Atlantic, Washington Post and New Republic which are read ( and influence the decisions) of people with a lot of power.

Do MSNBC pundits count as "chattering classes" that can be wrong"?

R193 I would consider anyone on the major outlets to be the chattering classes

I clearly remember in 1996 watching a young Milky Loads getting plowed by guy after guy in the back room at Glorious Health Amusements on O St SE. DC gays have always known what a pompous self-important queen he was

Tell us more r121

"And if he's ever ever EVER challenged, he rains down a blizzard of nonsense and spittle-flecked rage on anyone who dares challenge him, that only the most pissy-minded even want to bother with this tiresome Hobbit queen."

Yeah - that's pretty much all conservatives, but particularly English ones.

I remember one panel he was on that was discussing the Catholic church abuse scandals and other affairs, and he basically ended it with "Well, we know it's not perfect, but it's the only church we have." What rational person says something like that?

I hope he gets blowback from most gay people who meet him - he shouldn't be allowed in civil gay society. He needs to be shunned, like Mehlman.

I've mentioned this before but I got into something of an email fight with him, many years ago. I wasn't snarky but tried to explain that the people who exposed the whole "Milky loads" thing were angered by his seeming hypocrisy at preaching monogamy by day while practicing its opposite at night. He would NOT let it go. He kept replying and replying and replying and never gave an inch that they had a point.

[quote]Yeah - that's pretty much all conservatives, but particularly English ones.

I remember Christopher Hitchens, around 2002-04, "raining down a blizzard of nonsense and spittle-flecked rage" at everyone who questioned the wisdom of the Iraq invasion, accusing them of being moral degenerates, of supporting Saddam and tyranny, etc. etc. Could it be the debating culture of Oxford that fosters these specious performances? I've often thought so.

That's one of those photos an old lover sees and thinks, "Damn, dodged that bullet".

[quote] supporting Saddam and tyranny

Afghanistan is now imploding under tyrants

He’s a good writer, alas. He always has a big up his ass about something stupid though

Sullivan has always went along with the direction of which way the wind was blowing. He was a major GWB supporter until after he got reelected and lost support from the media and public from all the Iraq war crimes and lies. He is also very racist and against blacks being in power which is why he was vehemently against Obama as president. But Trump was his biggest hero. But now he's, what? Against Trump because he lost re-election. The jig is up. The fact that anybody can be such a duplicitous sack of shit and simply just appear on Morning Joe and apologize despite having a career long record of this shit and be considered atoned for their sins? Is that all it takes? It's all cringe worthy.

Bill Maher also props him up all the time as "the other gay voice" that's out there. These media types just dont get it. It's like celebrating Eva Braun for being a counterpoint of Hitler. Becuase you know, she's a woman and some really like what Hitler said.

Does he still take lots of "milky loads," R191?

Even if he's HIV poz?

[quote] Does he still take lots …

No, he says he can 'milk loads'. He's using the word 'milk' as a verb. Not a noun and not an adjective.

Isn’t Andrew Sullivan simply one of those people who gives “opinions” based on what he figures are the current political trends?

Sullivan gets paid for his opinions; we give ours for free.

Most media outlets full on troll their viewers to get under their skin and push buttons. Just look at how we discuss Milky Loads. It's obvious to anyone in this thread that he doesn't speak for pretty much anyone in the Gay Community. But every single time, we take the bait and keep repeating the fact that he doesn't speak "for" the Gay Community.

And that is why we, as a society, still keep up with the Kardashians. We let ourselves get trolled and engage.

R202 If he doesn't want black people in power, Ryan he should probably go back to the UK where there's very little black people in power over there.

Who the Fuck is this asshole anyway? The US is the country African Americans built literally. Who is he to come to a country he wasn't born in and think he has the right to tell people who have had to fight and earn everything they have that they cannot participate in public office holding because he doesn't like it, because he's a fucking racist? Who the fuck does he think he is?

African Americans are centuries removed from Africa. This is their country too rather Andrew likes it or not. They've helped to shape the history and culture of this country for the better. American history literally runs through the blood veins of African Americans who actually has a centuries long history here. Andrew has no history here, he brought his racist ass here and this country has been good to him and given him everything he's wanted and than some.

Fuck him for feeling as though African Americans shouldn't be full participants of their own democracy they helped to build in their own country that they actually have a long history in, but andrew doesn't. He's nothing but entitled British white trash, who will never be genuinely American.

Fuck Andrew Sullivan!

We're gonna need a bigger limb

He’s a disgusting attention whore.

The thing about his being "fully American" R209 is that he seems not to have spent much time outside Boston, DC, Ptown and NYC, largely among other intellectuals.

What also annoys me about him is that he is booked as a conservative voice and time and time again, when I've seen him asked who he voted for, he pivots and says he 'voted his conscience'.

He never stands up and says - no, I didn't vote for this Republican garbage. He hides it. He clearly still wants the attention and support of conservatives and Republicans. And it's bullshit when he says "I'm on no one's side" - yes, yes you are.

That's all you need to know about him. Fraudulent contrarian who has done a lot of harm - no matter what he professes to say.

Voting your conscience is Republican bullshit.

A lot of them did that in 2016, and we lived through 4 years of hell with our first dictator president.

Andrew Sullivan is that stereotypical gay white man everyone hates so much. He lives up to every despicable quality in spades. He is very unself aware, and he cuts corners when discussing important subjects he's really not qualified to speak on. Hell, there's even been Asian sociologists and writers tell him he's not qualified to speak on the struggles of African Americans and the comparison some whites love to make between the two groups.

Why? Because there's two different histories in America with African Americans and Asian Americans and that's something Asians have always pointed out. African Americans were held in human bondage for centuries in the US, and after the civil war and slavery " ended" African Americans were sabotaged and every corner by a racist white supremacist government who never wanted competition from African Americans. That wasn't the case from the " model minority" Asians. So to try and compare the two is insane.

Andrew Sullivan is a fucking asshole who I wish would disappear and leave America and take his hatred and haggard ass back to his own country where he belongs. There's enough assholes native born here, we don't need imported ones too.

[quote] Voting your conscience is Republican bullshit.

It's only as good as your conscience, which in the case of contemporary Republicans is shit.

[quote] Voting your conscience is Republican bullshit.

Particularly because Republicans don't have a conscience.

I wish to God he'd shut the fuck up about everything, but specifically about immigration and abortion.

He's an immigrant, and yet he advocates loudly to restrict immigration.

He's a geriatric homo and has basically nothing to offer any discussion of abortion but Catholic dogma, which we don't need him for.

But R317, he's a white upper middle class Catholic immigrant who went to Oxford! That's totally different from the poor dirty immigrants who, in their multitudes, are going to CHANGE OUR CULTURE!

You'd think he'd be happy a bunch of Catholics from Central and South America would be coming here but nooooooo.

Maybe he's afraid they'll hog his weed.

He's a snob, R219.

R70, so your original post was really about Elizabeth Warren? So misogyny to defend Milky Loads? So persuasive. . .

[quote]He always has a big up his ass

Pics please.

He's not in any position to come to the US and they and call shots in a country he immigrated too. He's very arrogant and dismissive of American history and the struggles of other people, people who have been here long before his great x 7 grandparents were alive. Probably longer!

I just really hate people like Andrew who comes here and tries to change the country for the worst. It's kinda like Cubans who come here and vote for Republicans, no matter how bad they are. They don't realize that by voting for people like Trump and other Republicans, they're helping to take this country backwards and destroy the hard work so many people have faught for as far as progress is concerned. But I also suspect a lot of these new " Americans" who immigrate here who vote Republican don't care either.

Their conservativism leads to other people's setbacks and further disenfranchisement and marginalization etc. That's the problem with having outsiders emigrate here and not understanding the inequality or the imbalance of our political system in the United states. They're just all to eager to make racist white conservatives happy at any cost at the expense of other historical American legacy ethnic groups.

And that's exactly what people like Andrew represents to me. Just an all around bad export of bad ideas and not having any respect for the history that already existed in America before he got here.

I dunno - immigrants to the US have every right to have political opinions. It's just his complete hypocrisy about it that is grating.

But then, that's of a piece with his whole "preach monogamy by day and take multiple loads by night" thing.

FYI, r217, Andrew is pro-choice.

Andrew's religious beliefs are... to put it mildly... "complicated".

The very simplified version: Andrew's a big 'ol show queen who loves the Roman Catholic Church's pomp and regalia, and while growing up in England, being (Roman) Catholic allowed him to feel like he was just a tiny bit better than the CoE.

If you ever want to REALLY get under his skin and annoy him in ways that will bother him for a few hours, get him to elaborate on his personal religious beliefs... then subtly point out all the obvious ways they align almost PERFECTLY with American Episcopalianism, and deviate in MAJOR ways from non-Hispanic American Roman Catholicism. If you come out and lay it on him flat-out, he'll just swat you down... but if you slowly & deviously lay out your case without ever making it official, he'll slowly realize it on his own & go into slow burn.

I wonder if his adherence to the anti-gay church has to do with his bring reminded in England that no matter how bright (or WASPy), Irish are "not our sort" (dear)? In other words, he has stated with The Church out of stubbornness.

R3, what do you look like currently?

R228, I look much, much closer to what Andrew Sullivan saw when he cruised me in Provincetown in 1995 than he looks like what I saw on that occasion. A little greyer around the temples.

No one actually wants to talk to Andrew that long, R226.

[quote] I just really hate people like Andrew who comes here and tries to change the country for the worst. It's kinda like Cubans who come here and vote for Republicans, no matter how bad they are.

Don't forget the motherfucking Russians and El Salvadorans.

They're both used to dictators, so voting for someone like Trump is NORMAL for them.

Get them all the fuck out of our country. They add nothing positive to our population.

I'm very surprised that Milky Loads is a Catholic. A GAY Catholic, at that.

He must be pretty rare, because I didn't think there were very many Catholics at all in the UK.

Are there?

I thought it was mainly protestants.

Historically, there have been a significant number of Irish Catholics in Britain, as well as native "recusant" families who managed to get through the anti-Catholic centuries after Bloody Mary died. If you watch the Father Brian series, however, you'd think RC was England's default with C of E a secondary presence.

[quote] But then, that's of a piece with his whole "preach monogamy by day and take multiple loads by night" thing.

You're obsessing about his bachelor days, he's married now.

R232 Don't be surprised that he is a Catholic because he's not.

He's evolved.

There are more Lapsed Catholics in the world than genuine Catholics.

And yet the hedgehog still attends mass in a church which still vilifies gays, no matter what the current flip-flopping pope says.

He identifies himself as a faithful Catholic while disagreeing with some aspects of the Catholic Church's doctrine.

In Virtually Normal, he argues that the Bible forbids same-sex sexual activity only when it is linked to prostitution or pagan rituals

[quote]He identifies himself as a faithful Catholic while disagreeing with some aspects of the Catholic Church's doctrine.

In other words... a hypocrite.

What's the problem with pagan rituals?

More Xtian mind-control. Fuck them.

I disagree with some aspects of my government and appreciate others.

Yet I'm still forced to taxes!!!

[quote] I look much, much closer to what Andrew Sullivan saw when he cruised me in Provincetown in 1995 than he looks like what I saw on that occasion.

R229 Did he cruise you hard? Did you touch?

He seems to write intelligently but all his predictions go horribly wrong

[quote] I just really hate people like Andrew who comes here and tries to change the country for the worst.

I agree, R224. I said exactly the same about Tashfeen and Syed.

[quote] He seems to write intelligently but all his predictions go horribly wrong

Andrew is a bad clairvoyant. I will NOT be hiring him for a palm-reading!

He’s also terrible at owning his mistakes as his hollow mea culpa shows.

Any eldergays get to know him biblically when he was younger and attractive?

R224 You talk about "outsiders" emigrating here and not understanding "the inequality or the imbalance of our political system"

Is Britain so very different from us?

Why aren't we fixing our own "unbalance political system"?

Does taking anon cocks in a backroom qualify as a pagan ritual?

> I thought it was mainly protestants.

It's more complicated than that.

The CoE isn't 'Protestant' per se (the way Lutherans are), because it never had an official beef with Catholic THEOLOGY. Its REAL gripe was with the people in Rome who were RUNNING the Church (in their opinion, into the ground).

Yes, the King was the official reason for the CoE's independence... but contrary to Roman Catholic propaganda, it wasn't just something that got pulled out of a hat on a political whim so the King could get divorced. The seeds had been sown YEARS earlier, and all the KING really did was capitalize on the EXISTING sentiment and give it the final nudge to make it official.

CoE priests have full "apostolic succession", just like Roman Catholic priests do (ie, they can allegedly trace their priesthood back through a line of priests extending all the way back to St. Peter himself). I'm not sure, but I think SOME Lutheran churches (esp. the state churches of Scandinavian countries) are the same way.

The American Episcopalian church took it a step further after the Revolution, and laid the framework for what eventually became today's global church that's (mostly) in agreement about theology, but independent of any one country's politics or state church. As far as American Episcopals are concerned, the CoE and Roman Catholic Church are two "catholic" churches that are no more or less equal than any other. The RCC officially begs to differ, of course... but "on the front lines", there's no hard feelings between them anymore.

Trivia: contrary to what most Americans believe, "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland were NOT a civil war between "Episcopalians" and "Roman Catholics"... it was a civil war between EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTS and Catholics. Northern Ireland's British Population is descended from evangelical protestants who were EXPELLED from the British mainland and sent to northern Ireland after the English Civil War. From what I've been told, during The Troubles, CoE members often found themselves caught in the crosshairs REGARDLESS of who was shooting at whom on that particular day, and if you were CoE & lived in England, you just Did Not Go to Northern Ireland... EVER.

Northern Ireland's British Population are just as nutty hotheads as the Catholics.

They both LOVE to fight.

Ugh, that face. I really wish the block-thread feature worked.

He's a geriatric homo and has basically nothing to offer any discussion of abortion but Catholic dogma, which we don't need him for.

But, R217, there are over 70 million Catholics in the USA. They need to hear it.

[quote] You're obsessing about his bachelor days, he's married now

They’re obsessing about his HYPOCRISY! Don’t condemn a behavior in others that you practice yourself. It’s morally bankrupt.

Of course the Reich wing NY Times would applaud him.

FUUUUCCCCKKKKK ANDREW SULLIVAN. FUCKING CUNT.

You're going to have a heart attack, R254 with all your anger.

You can either—

1. Stop reading the NY Times.

2. Find another Catholic gay journalist for the NY Times.

3. Get used to it.

[quote]Most media outlets full on troll their viewers to get under their skin and push buttons. Just look at how we discuss Milky Loads. It's obvious to anyone in this thread that he doesn't speak for pretty much anyone in the Gay Community. But every single time, we take the bait and keep repeating the fact that he doesn't speak "for" the Gay Community.

But it's not us who are being trolled, it's the media who put him on TV every god damn time he opens his mouth. Oh, he speaks for the gays. Notice how they never put on who opposes his view other than a glowing moderator throwing him soft ball questions? Put on a progressive at the same time to call out his bull shit for a change.

I wish he would take his nasty racist ass back to Britain.

He will never be a Real American.

For about 25 years he's always been on the wrong side of political and cultural sides and then comes back to a news or talk show to show remorse as a sign of redemption. He's a despicable excuse for both a human being and a so-called journalist. Go the fuck away.

I stopped reading the Times years ago R255. It’s a right wing publication. I don’t care what Republicans think. And you can fuck right off too.

CCCCCUUUNNNTT.

R257 Yes, I say the same thing about Tashfeen Malik and Syed Rizwan Farook.

Husband was watching sportsball last night and we caught Milky Loads on 60 Minutes afterwards. I've never really listened to him, just knew he was a Republican apologist. He is absolutely insufferable. According to his calculations, the Conservative Party should have bee the party advocating for same-sex marriage? I mean, if you had a time machine and killed Jerry Falwell's mother and about a billion other shitty Republicans over the years, maybe? But you don't, Andrew. So you just sound like a simp.

he was on 60min last night.